HTDE: Motivation, Secret Messages, and Stealing Your Thunder

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Speaker 5 Who doesn't have problems with motivation?

Speaker 4 Not us. Not me.

Speaker 5 Nobody. Nobody doesn't have problems with motivation.
Alice Wu, the filmmaker behind the movie Saving Face and the half of it, was really stuck when she was trying to write a script.

Speaker 5 And she came up with a way to finally make herself do it.

Speaker 7 I thought, you know, I should write my second film.

Speaker 8 I then proceeded to spend like six months.

Speaker 8 like lying on the floor of my office staring at the ceiling being like why am i so terrible why is everything so terrible i'd like write a sentence i'd delete it i knew i had to get over that hump.

Speaker 8 And so I then thought, I need to find a consequence that is so terrible that I can't possibly live with myself. And I thought, you know what?

Speaker 8 I'm going to write a check to the NRA for $1,000 and I'm going to give it to

Speaker 8 my best friend is the one person I know who, because she gave me her word, would do it. And I was like, I'm giving you this check.
I'm giving myself five weeks to write this first draft on August 8th.

Speaker 8 If this thing is not written, I'll have two people read it and confirm. It can be terrible, but it has to be a fully formed first draft.
And if it's not, you're sending that check in.

Speaker 8 And then I proceed to tell everyone in my life because I would constantly get texts from friends like, you better not be a donor to the NRA.

Speaker 8 Like, I think at one time I sent a friend an otter video, and she was like, why aren't you writing?

Speaker 8 So it worked. I got it written.
And that's how I did that.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 8 And that, you know, that script became my second film.

Speaker 5 Do you think your friend would have actually sent it in?

Speaker 8 A thousand percent. Really? Yeah, she's my best friend.
Like,

Speaker 8 yes, absolutely, she would have sent it in. CJ, she's a butch firefighter.
She would have sent it in.

Speaker 8 If she were here, I'm sure she would tell you that all the horribly shameful things she would then do to me as she sent it in.

Speaker 4 A thousand dollars, that's a lot of money. That's like a, there's a, that's a certain tier that is not entry-level.
Yes. Right? That's like, we know this from our public radio experience.

Speaker 4 That's a leadership level amount. You'll probably get a t-shirt.
You might even get a free gun with that.

Speaker 11 You know what?

Speaker 8 I, yes, I had not thought of the perks.

Speaker 8 No, I thought I'd become a social pariah amongst all Asian lesbians because I wore my NRA lobby. Like, basically, I would die alone, but I would have a free shirt, is what you're telling me.

Speaker 4 A free shirt at least, and probably once-a-year birthday announcement, I would think. Yeah.

Speaker 4 This is how to do everything. I'm Mike.

Speaker 5 And I'm Ian. Coming up, we're going to get to more of your out-of-office messages.
But first, there's a little mystery here at NPR.

Speaker 4 A few podcasts have been noticing something strange. Theo Gieran works on TED Radio Hour.
Theo, can you tell us about this?

Speaker 7 Yeah, so one of my responsibilities on my team is to monitor our Spotify comments.

Speaker 7 And for the most part, we mostly get really like nice comments or people engaging with our content giving constructive feedback or saying how much they liked it but about three weeks ago i noticed

Speaker 7 kind of a different a different floodgate situation and

Speaker 7 um the first instance was only about 20 comments 20 comments on one episode 20 comments on one episode that came out three years ago

Speaker 3 yeah

Speaker 7 And all the comments kind of had the same, like,

Speaker 7 no, you're so pretty. You're so pretty.

Speaker 7 And I was really trying to rack my brain about the content of this episode three years ago to be like, is there a discussion about beauty standards that they are trying to engage with?

Speaker 10 Yeah.

Speaker 7 And then about a week later, they struck again, but this time hitting the comments hit into the 90s. Wow.
And then I kind of felt like, okay, this really needs to be something we're flagging.

Speaker 7 And when I brought it up, it seemed like other teams had also been privately sitting on this very odd situation.

Speaker 5 Other shows at NPR.

Speaker 7 Yeah, other shows at NPR.

Speaker 5 Well, so what's your theory? So I guess we're all kind of still figuring out what's happening here, but what's your theory on who's doing this and why they're doing it?

Speaker 7 Yeah, I mean, we definitely can't say exactly like who these people are or why they're doing this, but my sense is that they're kids.

Speaker 7 One of the theories that some other folks have put forward is that maybe this is just a way to get around

Speaker 7 a classroom phone-free situation. Like maybe they can have their laptops out, but they can't have Instagram open or Spotify is the only thing they're allowed to have.
I don't actually know.

Speaker 3 it seems like a way, a workaround for sure.

Speaker 5 It's brilliant because like what could be less worrying to a teacher or a parent who might be catching, you know, a look at one of these kids' phones that they're listening to NPR's TED radio hour with their friends.

Speaker 3 Oh my gosh.

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 5 What is the episode? What's the episode, an episode where you've noticed this? I just want to bring it up and see if I can find it.

Speaker 10 Yeah.

Speaker 7 And to your point, it is is definitely the kind of episode that I'm sure a teacher would not bat an eye at. But one of the episodes was

Speaker 7 called What Leadership Looks Like.

Speaker 7 I think my sense from digging into it a little bit and following the usernames was effectively they make a playlist that has just one podcast.

Speaker 7 And that podcast becomes kind of the graffiti space, I guess, of this,

Speaker 7 I don't know, it feels like a pop-up conversation.

Speaker 5 It's like a, I mean, it's kind of like a dead drop, you know, like a classic spy thing where there's this trash can, which nobody's thinking about.

Speaker 5 And since nobody's thinking about it, you can hide your messages for other spies there as long as they know it's, they know the trash can to look for.

Speaker 7 I love that. I didn't think about this in spy terms, but.

Speaker 4 So basically, kids are using the comment sections of old episodes of NPR podcasts as little private social media chat rooms.

Speaker 5 Yeah, they figured out that this is a space where they can speak freely and no one, no one will find them.

Speaker 4 There's an episode of TED Radio Hour where they're just talking about somebody's cat. They just got a cat.

Speaker 5 Another thing that could be happening here, if your parents take your phone away, this is a way you could still talk to your friends. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Yeah. Like you, it's a prearranged thing.
You say, if you don't hear from me, check my Spotify. I'll create a playlist.
It'll have one episode in it. Go to those comments.
That's where I'll be.

Speaker 5 God bless these children.

Speaker 4 It's brilliant.

Speaker 4 If any of you out there listening need a place to post secret messages or, you know, want to communicate with somebody, feel free to use our comment sections.

Speaker 5 And, you know, if you're not a Spotify person, you can do it in reviews. So we'll keep an eye out on anything we see that seems to have nothing to do with us.

Speaker 5 We'll just assume it's a secret message for someone else.

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Speaker 5 We all know the phrase, steal your thunder. Our producer, Hina, her sister would use the phrase.
And for much of her life, Hina thought her sister had invented it.

Speaker 11 I just idolized her. I thought that everything that came out of her mouth was amazing because she was my older sister.
And I thought she invented the phrase stealing my thunder as well.

Speaker 11 And then I would use it

Speaker 11 and she would yell at me for stealing her thunder.

Speaker 4 She would yell at you for saying the phrase stealing my thunder.

Speaker 11 Yeah, she'd be like, you got that from me.

Speaker 3 Oh.

Speaker 5 So in order to save Hina's relationship with her sister, we're going to find out where the phrase really came from.

Speaker 5 Lexicographer Susie Dent knows the answer. Susie, what can you tell us?

Speaker 9 So happy that you asked me this one because

Speaker 9 for lexicographers it's pretty rare to find the exact moment that a word or phrase was born. So we usually have some idea of the chronology,

Speaker 9 a decade, probably a year if we're lucky, but the exact moment is really rare. But we do know with this one and it we have to go back to the 5th of February 1709

Speaker 9 and we're talking about a playwright,

Speaker 9 critic called John Dennis who had written a rather boring, apparently a pretty turgid play called Appius and Virginia.

Speaker 9 Didn't have much going for it, except he had perfected for his drama a machine that reproduced the sound of thunder.

Speaker 9 It was pretty impressive, but even with this sound effect, the play closed after a really short run.

Speaker 9 And the play that succeeded his was the Scottish play, shall we say, by Shakespeare.

Speaker 3 Okay.

Speaker 9 And John Dennis went along to see the opening night, which was pretty decent of him, um, given that his play closed.

Speaker 9 Anyway, he was he was all ready for a lovely night until the witcher scene arrived and he heard booming out from the stage the sound of his very own machine.

Speaker 9 And contemporaries of the time wrote up accounts afterwards and said he stood up and shouted something like, Damn them, they will not let my play run, but they steal my thunder.

Speaker 3 Wow,

Speaker 4 so it's almost pretty literal, but not quite like yeah born in the theater it's just such a good story do you know do you know Susie then when it was picked up and used again because it's one thing to say something it's another thing for someone to be like well as John Dennis said the other night we're stealing someone's gonna steal his thunder that is a really really good point and believe it or not Not until 1900 according to the OED.

Speaker 9 So we know that it came from that utterance of John Dennis

Speaker 9 and it must have been quoted and re-quoted, but then had to become really embedded in the language before it was used freely without any reference to that event.

Speaker 9 So it took a while, but for him, it's quite sad that this is his enduring legacy, I suppose.

Speaker 4 Yeah, kind of his lowest moment when he stood up and had a bad reaction, through a tantrum, basically, and everybody wrote it down, and that's forevermore what we think of.

Speaker 3 Yes, exactly.

Speaker 5 I don't know. I mean, who knows if we would remember his name? You know, this is the way he he has persisted, at least most broadly, through history, you know? Well,

Speaker 5 we know this work of his more than any other.

Speaker 9 I've not read Appius in Virginia, but I do.

Speaker 4 It actually makes you think maybe being generous isn't such a good thing, right? Because if he had stood up and said, well,

Speaker 4 please, yeah, thank you. Well, good use of my thunder.

Speaker 3 That's not a phrase people are going to repeat.

Speaker 9 Yeah, that is actually very true.

Speaker 5 Lexicographer Susie Dent's adult fiction debut, Guilty by Definition, is out now.

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Speaker 10 this Courtney how many areas the student center hello Courtney my name is Mike I'm calling about an email I got should I give you the reference number yes sir please 1028 774

Speaker 16 and that

Speaker 16 Do you have a bill of lading number starting with the one two?

Speaker 10 I'm afraid I don't have anything.

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Speaker 16 all right so this was for a discrepancy um on his shipment yeah did he leave a phone number

Speaker 16 eight zero one

Speaker 10 Corey, are you there?

Speaker 3 I'm here.

Speaker 10 Hey, it's Mike and Ian calling.

Speaker 16 Hey, good to talk to you guys.

Speaker 16 So tell us what's going on what happened yeah so uh i run three bricks and mini sigs it's like a buy sell trade lego store and part of it we do custom builds for people so we built this amazing four foot by four foot custom build of a factory in california we're located in utah so i had to ship it to them and i confirmed that they were not going to use a liftgate delivery because that costs extra and we didn't need it.

Speaker 16 But they used it anyway and charged me for it.

Speaker 5 Yeah. So we got an email from a customer customer service representative.

Speaker 5 In order to dispute this charge, we will need a photo of the forklift or dock used at the delivery location to unload the freight.

Speaker 4 Do you have a photo?

Speaker 16 No, because they didn't have a forklift or a dock and it wasn't needed because the crate that we shipped was small enough just to hand offload.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 16 kind of up a creek here. Yeah.
Do you guys have a picture of a dock or a forklift you could send them?

Speaker 3 I'm sure we could get one.

Speaker 5 I definitely could send them a picture of a forklift. Would you say you do custom builds? So like tell us more about that.

Speaker 5 I don't know about this. Okay.

Speaker 16 So, I mean, you know, Lego. Lego puts out kits.
Well, sometimes a customer wants or a company wants a custom designed kit.

Speaker 16 We design those things, make instructions, kit them up, and then send them to companies for gifts or employee awards or things like that.

Speaker 3 Wow.

Speaker 5 How'd you get into this? Were you just a big Lego fan and then you made it your career?

Speaker 16 Sort of.

Speaker 16 Lego was like my thing as a kid, as a young kid, and then I gave it all away when I was a teenager because I was too cool for it.

Speaker 16 And then I, you know, grew up and went to therapy and realized that I had, you know, besides giving away my Lego, had put my inner child, my younger self, locked away in a closet.

Speaker 16 And that was affecting my life. So

Speaker 16 got to know my inner child again, and all he wanted to do was play with Lego. So I kind of got back into it, bringing lots of joy to lots of people.

Speaker 10 That's phenomenal. wow well we talked to courtney um

Speaker 10 she told us that the bill had been paid but i guess we didn't do ian i don't think we did enough due diligence and we didn't follow up on the photo dispute part of it could you build them a lego forklift so that they could do this properly next time

Speaker 3 that's a great idea you know maybe i'll do that

Speaker 16 I'll send them a picture of a Lego forklift and just say, hey, here's your forklift.

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