Quinta Brunson

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I just, for the first time, this is how I found out you were married to her, by the way, you guys,

right? I'm right. This is her.
Yeah.

Welcome back to Where Everybody Knows Your Name. Today I'm talking to Quinta Brunson.
I just finished my conversation with her, and this is me doing the intro after the fact.

I had the best time time talking to her. She feels like a creative soulmate.
I'm elevating myself by saying that. She is an amazing writer, actor, comedian.

She's pretty much everything. It's like she was almost designed to be where she is, which is the creator of Abbott Elementary, which is in season four right now.

All right, I can't wait for you to meet her. Here's Quinta Brunson.

I'm going to try not to be self-deprecating because it's boring and I do it a lot.

But I am so excited to talk to you because I just watched like, I don't know how many episodes of Abbott Elementary because I hadn't watched it when it came out.

And it's so,

so good.

It's really my favorite kind of comedy. I love comedy that comes out of

human frailty,

out of sadness,

pain, sorrow, whatever. I love that the comedy comes out of something real.

I love that it's

about something.

And I would imagine, and I'd love to talk to you about that, that it's making a difference out in the world as far as people's relationships to teachers

certainly has the potential to do that.

So I am just a huge fan of it. And you're a really good actor.
Thank you. I'm really enjoying watching you.
You're really good. Thanks, Ted Danson.

I have to say, Ted Danson, because you are Ted Danson, and I learned a lot of my acting from you from being a child watching Cheers

and watching your show with my family. And that's true.
I'm not just saying that. Yes, that is true of all of the wonderful actors I watched as a kid.
Bob Newhart, you know, Martin Lawrence.

I learned all of that, but Cheers was big in my household. Cheers was big in my household, but it also was very,

it was on TV every now and then. I guess like by the time I had gotten older, had gone into syndication.
Yeah. And it was something my mom would, she wouldn't turn off.

And that's how I started watching Cheers because it would come on. And she had her, her little schedule of things she liked to watch.
But if Cheers was on, she was not turning the TV off.

And she knew the episodes by heart. And this is before you could stream things.
So it meant something to really know,

you know, the plot and everything of an episode. And I remembered watching that show.

Age.

My age? Yes. Then.
Then?

14, 15. Right.
Yeah. But it was on when I was younger.
I think I was like, probably like eight when it was airing.

But it was the re-airing of it that started to get me. And when I started looking at different comedies,

Friends was funny, but felt like a play. Everyone was very grounded.
I remember thinking that Diane was so grounded. I like almost like she wasn't acting to me when I would look at her.

She just seemed like

being with her sometimes. Yeah.

And I didn't understand until I was older that you were handsome. Like,

do you know what I mean? I'm an acquired taste. No, I knew when I got older, when I got old enough to understand that you were handsome, I was like, Annie was handsome too.

But when I was a kid, I was like, these are just good actors acting. And it felt like a play.

I love that. I really did have that realization recently.
I was like, holy shit, I get why people were losing it.

But anyway,

so

all of that is kind of all of the went into Abbott, like human

grounded performances, human presentation, knowing where the laugh is and the humor is, but

building it out of genuine connection with even your castmates. Like we have very good relationships on our show.

So it's fun to actually act off of each other instead of wait for the laugh off of each other. We're constantly able to react, which is nice.

Let me back up just one sec because then I'd love to spend a lot of time on your show because everything about it, the casting, the stories, the directing, everything about it, I would love to talk about.

You said, and I don't mean to put words in your mouth, but something like, I know it sounds whack, but comedy is

in a way, a kind of religion. I don't want to have people go, what? Yeah.
Religion. I did say that.
But I feel the same way.

To me, it's a,

if I had a guiding thing that I think is important for Ted to do in life, and that is be kind.

That's the one thing I can really say, yes. Yep.
This is something that I should do. I'm not always, but this is something I will shoot for.

And

being able to do comedy is to me,

in a way, a kind of kindness. Because if you get people laughing

in a real genuine,

not just the joke, but at humanity,

then you also are being kind because you're reflecting things that maybe need to be looked at or appreciated.

So I totally

get what I think what you meant. You do, because it is a religious experience to

make someone laugh, to laugh with other people.

That's one of the things I find to be the most religious.

And it makes me think of going to a place to worship, you know, and going to a place to have a shared spiritual experience with other peoples and connect with God in that way, which is what religion is, and a series of practices that help you stay close to.

God.

That's what comedy always felt like. The first time I went to an improv class, I came out feeling

holy. Like I was like closer to God because it had all the ideologies that I thought were more important.

Even when you go to the basics, like yes, and it was like, I do, yes, that's how I want to live my life.

And you're right.

So, yes.

Sadly, they call me the comedy, the improvisation killer. Because I get

a little bit of a bad thing. No, I'll do it for a while.
And then it's like being chased upstairs by my sister. I stop and freeze and scream.

You know, scream.

I so admire people who are really good at that. Yeah, I'm, and I'm not the best improviser, but the practice of trying it and doing it, I think, makes me the, makes me a better person.

And it helps me to connect. And, and kindness is very much.

Yes, it is kind of the epitome of

kindness. It is.
And And that's kind of my M.O. I don't think I'm an overly, I think I've learned recently that people are confused because I'm not an overly like happy or joy,

you know, like the character in the show, but I am calm and like calm and quiet and kind. And I think that comedy also helps calm me.
I feel a certain sense of calmness and like laughter.

watching a whole room of people laugh that is like good night that is like watching Jesus walk on water to me. It's like the ultimate

thing because if you can get a bunch of people from different races, religions, creeds, financial standings to all laugh at the same thing, I just,

it's easy to get people to hate the same thing, but not to get people to like all laugh at the same thing. Yeah, I agree.
Yeah. That's all I have like a lot of respect for clowns and stuff.

People like

you took a clown. I did take a clown class and like, I'm not a clown because that's a, that really is a practice, like an art.
But

when you go to circus and somebody just does something silly and everyone is laughing, I don't think people get that not everybody can do that. And that is

intentional and special. Yeah.
Yeah. I love that you did it even when clowns were like,

hate clowns or

I'm terrified of clowns or all of that stuff. Because when you start, you know, when you

start studying comedy you see all the how all of it plays into each other i just like had talked about this with like conan but

when you go and like start to learn about like buster keaton and start to learn about charlie chaplin and how their

you know

form of comedy overlaps with clownery and you so i just wanted to like get my hands on every part of it so i could figure out like what god just listening to you and reading about you you it feels your your life feels very purposeful that this was you didn't meander around you kind of had your sights

on

comedy on storytelling

acting

writing

from very very early on right

yes i think i didn't know it yet very early on but i think it was always heading that direction. And then

around like high school, college was when I think I became very intentional about

uh humor and comedy, too. Because I think at a certain point, I was trying to figure out: like, do I, I don't, you know, like, I don't know if I'm the joke teller, but I love humor.

Like, I just like having

humor and finding the humor in things and then building from there. I'm so grateful

to be part of this tribe and this lineage

of to whatever degree I am

of funny people. Yeah, me too.
Of comedy. It just makes me so happy.
Me too. I get around people like Carol Burnett or Dick Van Dyke and I just Dick Van, I can't even, that's like

seeing him be 98, right? Yeah, I think so.

99. And he talked about, he just won an Emmy, right?

And

he was talking about comedy. And that's what I mean about like, it's this connecting religion that's just 90.
You know, I watched his show when I was a little

girl. And

it really filled me up to watch him talk and be the age that he

is. And I don't know, I was Bob, Bob Newhart recently passed.
I immediately revisited his show that I grew up watching.

The Bob Newhart show, the one with the BB. And I remembered how much that show was so formative for me.
And

sorry, what was i trying to say well here i am talking to you and it's the same thing where you believe in this like you you do this you probably could have done something else but you do no

do you think that i wonder that about me sometimes it's like in my writer's room too i'm like oh man what i don't know if we'd be able to do anything else but i i don't know i can't figure it out

i i say that i'd be a butler i i like serving i like serving people oh you know

people I know and like. I couldn't be a butler to just anybody.

I think I could have been a teacher for sure. For sure.

But no, this is where we wound up. It was, I was thinking about you too.
And like, even when you appear in curb,

which is naturally

more crude comedy, but you still even bring your essence to curb.

which is what's unique about your humor, your offering to the religion of comedy is that you still

bring Ted Danson to this sense of kindness, even when in that show you're not being kind. Yeah, yeah.

You know what I mean?

Because I'm so on Ted Danson's side whenever you come there and you're dating the ex-wife. I'm like, yeah, I mean, well, yeah, it pissed me off so much.

Have you met? You probably haven't. My wife, Mary Steen Burchard.
I love her. I didn't know she was your wife until very recently.

So I love hearing that. I love her.
Oh, I'm all right. Come to dinner, please.

She's so funny. Sorry, go ahead.

No, no, you go ahead. She's just so funny.
Her comedic timing is crazy. Yeah.

Like, so, of course, it's beautiful. I love that you guys are a beautiful couple.

And we do we laugh. Oh, my goodness.

So much. I'm jumping around, but here's why I wish Mary were here.

Napoleon Dynamite

was one of her favorite movies of all time. Me too.
Will Farrell Farrell is one of

taking this from what I learned about you? Oh, yeah. Will Farrell, you know, is one of your favorites.
Yes. She played his mother twice.
Yep.

Yep. What else? There was something else.
Norman Lear is my hero. My hero, too.
In life. Yeah.

But anyway. Yeah.
I loved all of your references that I've heard you say

about this lineage of people that are important to you.

Yeah, they are. And

you feel, or I would feel like corny about that sometimes because I'd be around like my film friends and they're talking about all the film people or the actor people that are inspiring to them.

And not that those people aren't to me as well.

But it really is like comedy, comedy, comedy that fuels me and people who

take comedic risks.

the good, the bad. I was just having that conversation too.
I like what people consider bad comedy. I still like it because it makes somebody laugh.

Like, people are always really mean about Adam Sandler movies. I'm like, well, he's making half of America laugh with Jack and Jill.
So I don't know. He's doing something that makes people happy.

And I don't like to be snobby about comedy because it's just not the

world to be snobby in. No.
I don't think we're supposed to be where the snobs aren't. Yeah.
And

I've gotten to feel like comedy,

I'm maybe saying this because I couldn't go off and do Tom Cruise. Right.
You know, for many reasons,

but I couldn't. I don't have that in me.

But I always do say that comedy is way harder

because drama, you can walk in drunk, divorced, and in a really bad mood. And

if you're present in the front of the camera, the camera goes, oh, this is fascinating. This is fascinating.
And then somebody edits and the story's well told and you get drama. Yep.

Whereas if you're not funny, you in front of the camera, your comedy, no one's going to save that comedy. The ball is in your hand.
And it's much more of an athletic

sport. Absolutely.
And

you know what's been fun for me?

which I wonder how you feel about this because you've just been working for so long is we have what's special about us and and what you know is the thing that people like about us the thing that people like to laugh at we don't always know how to mark it or name it when i was younger i thought it was like you know my eyes or my voice but it's just like no it's kind of deeper than that it's an essence about you that people that brings people joy but as the times change and references change right because

the references of this year are not the references of five years ago well unless you're talking politics but i'm just seeing like culturally things are all over the place so I find myself now pursuing new projects where

I

comedy is about

like I need to grow with the times constantly with comedy. Does that

your style are what you're talking about?

What you're focusing on as your writer in this?

Yeah, my understanding of the world,

I feel like

has to grow. I understand, I have to understand that a joke with the rhythm,

what am I trying to say? The rhythm of 2005 is not the rhythm of 2024.

And so, how do I not lose myself as a comedian and what's special about me, but still

jump on board with the rhythm of 2024? And I feel like you do it because I've seen you do it. I've seen you do it on the good place.

Like, you're not giving us the same performance that you gave us on Cheers

and on Curb, you're not giving us the same performance you gave on the good place. And I know you have a new show coming out, and I like, can't wait to see what you do next.

But it's surprising to constantly see people continue to grow. Dick Van Dyke is a perfect example of that when he started popping up in the,

what's the name of those movies? Night at the Museum. I was like, how is he still? Yes.
Like,

he's found a new rhythm without losing what's there. And I just find that to be so exciting and something unique to comedy.

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So my

listening to you, I agree with what you're saying.

I am the actor. I am not the writer, not the producer,

director. I am,

I love to act, love to act.

And I'm not selling myself short, but I'm not a good storyteller.

I will take your story, your words, and I will do my best to reflect it in a way that serves the piece the best. That's kind of my

place. You are a writer, creator.

And that to me is the person

that needs to change with the times. I'm not 100% sure.

Or this is a question. How do you think you as an actor need to change? Because I don't know how you do that because

all you have as an actor is who you really are.

Or are you thinking something else when you say needing to change? I don't think it's change. I think it's just adapting to the new rhythm of the world.

And you are an actor, but I've seen you do it because right, because of the writer, because of yeah, but you as a performer, though, and I know this for a fact,

you could just say, no, I'm still doing multicam timing. Yeah.

It's not dead, by the way. It's not, but you could just say, I'm still going to do the multicam timing of the 1980s.
And that would be which people do sometimes. That's true.

And the older you get, you want to hang on to some sort of revellance. So

you pull something from 40 years ago, which is an unfortunate way to go. Exactly.
But you can't do the good place and not

have understood that the rhythm is now different. And I know the writers wrote it.
Great show, great cast, great ensemble cast. But I see in you someone who has an understanding,

new tone, new shape, new comedy.

I can use my body as an actor. I can use my body in a different way for the new rhythm.
And you don't lose what makes you special, but you.

I love that you say use your body because that to me has always been the

that's what i hate about arthritis get out of my way damn it i want to move i just found out my lead director has arthritis i never knew i never knew he he i just found out we just filmed a halloween episode and he he

that just

that does it does break my heart i know that it's manageable and stuff but he's so agile and you know he rides horses every weekend and is always fucking whitewater raft and giving me a heart attack so to find out

but I love that you were a dancer to some degree, acrobat, all of that stuff. Yeah.
Off of your dad, maybe? So my dad was a gymnast. So he got me in gymnastics.
Like for real, how far did he?

He went as far as

college, but he wasn't in college, but he was, he became a college gymnast, which is what's crazy. He went to trade school.
He was a

contractor, but he did gymnastics in high school and then did it for a college team but he wasn't in college but that's he was good though he was very good and i was good because i was small you know am small sorry but i i was you know you were you're

so small now but um but i didn't like it i did not like it i knew it wasn't for me i knew i was

i'm 10 years old they're waking me up at five o'clock to run and i was like i

want to watch Bobby's World and I do not want to do this. Do you guys remember Bobby's World?

A very specific memory of mine of like i need to watch bobby's world i do not want to do gymnastics and my dad was like okay and then my mom was a dancer so i actually was a dancer for most of my life until about 22 when i realized but you can see it when you're acting and you're performing oh thank you i mean the joy of yeah using your body i love it's I give a lot of credit to dancing to having autonomy over my body, especially as a young girl, just knowing it was mine and how to move it and that I owned it.

And And then also clowning because you like,

I love it. I want everyone to take a clown.

Puppeteering was another one, too.

I took a puppeteering class, and that was another one of you know, putting your voice through it.

All of it just helps you, I don't know, understand yourself better as a performer.

You kept looking for different ways to tell forms to tell your stories, it seems like. Yes, I do love storytelling.
I do think that's my main objective when it comes to comedy to

be the person

that

tells the good story. And I love the idea of bringing all the talent in.
Like one of the greatest joys of Abbott has been to bring all these talented comedians in who I know are

so talented in the world just hasn't seen them yet or something like that. Let's talk about the cast thing for a second.
Then I want to talk about your writer's room. Okay.
And all of it. Who you met.

So, so

you

have this idea kind of percolating because of your mom, maybe, maybe,

who was a teacher.

And you could see the humor

and the sadness and the realness and all of that of that world. So that was percolating in you.
Yes. Then when did you go, okay, now's the time? Who did you approach to do Abbott Elementary? Yes.
So

I had the idea and I actually talked about it

on a roof with my friend Kate, who is now a writer on the show. And

it was, you know,

you have, it's just like a throwaway idea. Like I got this idea that was probably like in 2017.

And then when I worked with my now co-producers, Justin Halpern and Patrick Schumacher, my co-producers, co-showrunners, I met them because they casted me in a pilot of theirs for the CW.

I auditioned begrudgingly and actually got it and was devastated because I did not want to be on an hour-long CW show filming in Vancouver. So I was just miserable.
But I really liked them.

Yeah, I had to. I keep my word, but man, I was like, I really did not want that show to go.

I was like, I just, I, I really was like, oh, this isn't for, and that's how I knew I wasn't.

I felt like that's how I knew I wasn't

an actor. I know I'm an actor.
I'm just saying, like, you don't want to go do

unfunny material. Yeah.

Or, like, I don't want to do anything. I don't want to go to filming, you know, Vancouver.
I don't want to go anywhere. So

then

that's kind of Larry David. You know, he refused to go, you know, east of the 405.

It's kind of like me. I really relate to him too much.
It really

get bothered how much I relate to him and curb. So they called.
I remember getting the call.

I was on the Transformers ride at at universal studios that the the that the show didn't go i was like yes i mean i'm so sorry you guys i know and they said you know what well the thing is we love you wb loves you at the time peter roth who's no longer there was in charge and they're like they all want to meet with you and so i met with all these people at wb they were like we we want to make something with you and i was like okay uh

what you know as lead and i was like can i write it and they said yes and so

through that, I started working with a couple of different producers.

Then I wound up working on a show with Larry Wilmore on CBS. Wonderful man.

The best, the best who I give full credit to teaching me how to make a show. There's, there's being a good writer, there's being a good storyteller.

But I feel like Larry taught me how to make a show, how to make a 22-minute television show. And then

the pandemic came around. This is 2020.
So three years later, after I actually had the idea, and I was on a show on HBO called Black Lady Sketch Show that was, had gone down.

And then I, I was like, between the first and second season, I start writing Abbott, but I start writing it as a cartoon because I had Black Lady Sketch Show.

I had a project with Larry, which if it went, I would have been in it, but I still wanted Abbott to get made.

I run into Justin and Patrick on the lot. This is three years later on the WB lot.

And they're like, hey, what do you got going on? Like, I'm just kicking it right now. I have the show, Abbott.
And they were like, oh, it wasn't called Abbott at the time.

It was called Harity Elementary. And they were like, well, we're, they have a deal at WB.

And they said, we, we'd love to actually make something with you now, especially a cartoon, because at the time, they had a cartoon called Harley Quinn on

HBO Max or DC University. I don't know what it was now.
And so we worked on it together as a cartoon. And then the show if Larry didn't go.

And we both kind of looked at each other, like me, Justin, and Pat. We all looked at each other.
We were like, what if we did this live action?

And I knew immediately that I wanted to sell it to ABC because I had met with ABC two years before, and there was this woman there.

The team was incredible, and there was a woman there that I knew got me. And her name's Erin Wernberg.
She's still there. And I said, I want to take this to ABC.

And they were like, okay, you sure we don't want to go stream. I don't want to go streaming.
I knew it wasn't a streaming show. I knew

why do you say that? Because I knew it was built for

families.

I knew it was built with two act breaks. I knew it was 22 minute.
I didn't want to fight about it. I didn't want anyone to try to make it

30 or 40 or I really believe in that 22, three act structure. I think there's,

you know, beauty in that. I don't just look at it as a thing to sell commercials.
Like, I think there's real beauty in that kind of presentation. And so

I knew ABC was the home for it because

NBC had done similar comedies and I felt that it was fresher for ABC. It still had the family aspect.

ABC is not a big workplace comedy sitcom, but I knew that Abbott was also a family sitcom disguised as a workplace sitcom.

And so

ABC bought it and a couple of other networks bought it, but I knew I wanted ABC. And then

that was it. And we made the pilot and it was so, so good.
I was so happy. I was so proud.
I remember after making the pilot, I felt like

I'm proud. I did, wow.
That was great. Yeah.
And I was like, look at him, Mita. Yeah.
You know, I made it. I did it.
And I felt that if it didn't go, I was like, well, then, all right, that's it.

That's been my time. I felt very confident leaving the industry if that didn't go because I knew it was.
That was what you had to offer. I did know.
Yeah.

And you know, when you look at it and you go, oh, this is the best I can do.

This is like my everything, all those years of watching Cheers and watching Martin and watching Buster Keaton and watching this and watching this. It's all culminated into this.

And this is kind of like who I am. So like, if you don't want it, that's tight.
But I know that this is the volume. Okay, so you have a script.
You've written it with your two producer friends. Yes.

What do you do next? Who do you go to? Do you have already in your mind the cast? So the cast, the only person who I had in mind was Tyler James Williams.

Yes, he's the best. He's just the best.
You guys are great together.

I mean,

you want to see you guys get together i know you know you earned it also

the writing earned it so yeah it was so sweet i loved the ending

i i had worked with him on black lady sketch show just in a sketch and we just clicked it was just

you just look at someone and you like no oh you yeah you get it we get each other on on pretty much every clubmates yes we get each other And so when I wrote the character, Gregory, I was, I realized I was basically, I was like, oh, I see Tyler's face on this.

And so I reached out to him and he was in, which was shocking. Like, Tyler had like options at that point.
He did not have to

bank on a

technically no-name, you know, pilot and commit, but he did. And he didn't audition.

We didn't do a chemistry read. Like, ABC was like, yeah.
So

he was the only person. And I got him.
And then everyone else auditioned.

That's where it was, that's where it got interesting because at that point, ABC kind of wanted to stunt cast pretty much everyone.

And I really stunt cast meaning a name or a popular in this area or something, but not necessarily the right person for the job. Or, yeah.

So the next person who I think we casted

was Lisa Ann Walter, who they

she she just was Melissa. I didn't know what to say.
Yeah.

They were bigger people, bigger names.

It was just her. And that's what I like to feel like

it's just you. It was her.
Janelle, especially the principal Ava. The principal Ava is really, they really wanted to stunk.
They really wanted to slap a big name in there. And oh, man.

And it's okay. We go to, I love my ABC family, but I had to be like, I had to put my foot down and say, I,

this woman is Ava because Janoa is. That's a hard part.
It's a hard part. That's really hard because she walks that line of being unbelievable, believable, which is what she's supposed to be.
Yes.

I don't mean her acting. I mean, that character.
It's like, what? What?

You did what? And it's, you have to have a special thing for people to still like you, even when they don't like you. It's just, it's pretty unique.
I mean,

we have, we still haven't seen many people who have it

to really be able to pull that off. I mean, it's kind of Larry David-esque where,

or

clearly, like Michael Scott in the office, but Steve Corell, but this was an even different character, too, because it's not,

to be fair, it's not a white man. It wasn't a character who we're used to seeing different layers of like it,

it's a heavy lift. And when she auditioned, I was like, that's it.
And they were like, well, what about this person wants to do it?

I said, no.

and I also wanted to present a new face to the world. You know, I get real joy out of I think, by the way, that's really, really, really smart when you're creating a show.
Yes,

that you have faith in, that you can trust, or whatever, that you allow the audience to discover people too. Yes, because otherwise, you have to.

I, I, after so many years of acting, I bring baggage with me. Totally, the writers have to work very hard

to get through that to allow the new character to be accepted. And that's what's interesting: you want people to believe, right?

We know it's TV, but you want the people watching to believe that these people are the people, especially in a mockumentary. You want them to believe these are real people.

So if you pack it with a bunch of faces that people know already, you're going to have to do twice the work to get people to believe in those characters.

And I wanted people after the first season, you have no idea how much of our audience

says something about America right now, but a lot of people believe that it was a real documentary. After like the first three episodes, I was like, oh, we are struggling, a real documentary.

And then, at you know, by the end of the season, it wasn't until the second season, people discovered we were on a set. People thought it was in real school.
But all of that is beautiful.

I remember when I was little watching TV. I don't care about the set.
I don't even know the behind the scenes.

I am hanging out at the fucking fucking friend's place, you know, like that's what all I need to know. But you have to do a lot of protecting and a lot of building these days to do that.

And you have to create a world that's so special that people get lost in it. And

the good place is how I discovered Manny,

Jamil, like these faces I'd never seen before. And I got to discover these new people.

Will Harper. Can I just say him?

How did I even know? Will Harper. And you watch it and you're like, where the hell did this person come from?

But for me,

that man was cheaty until season three, where I decided to be like, I look him up.

I think there's beauty in that. Like, yes, believe in the character.
I hope I come across people all the time that just call me Janine and I'm like, yeah, sure. I love it.
Yeah, whatever. I love it.

Great. But yeah.
And then Chris Berfetti, who I

just need him to get his just due. I think he's one of the most talented plays Jacob on the show.
Unbelievable. He's so good.
He's so good. He's so good.
Yeah, also a hard part to allow.

Yes. You know,

not easy at all. And he blew me away with his audition.
Another one, ABC, was like, oh, well, we got this person who just came off this show. No, I need them to be the best people.

And the last person we casted, which was hard, was Cheryl Lee Rouse's character, Barbara Howard.

Always. That was such a hard one because

it was

a balance of of like, no, all

could be vulnerable sometimes to know nothing, could be funny. We didn't want it to just be a stoic presence, but someone who could also be funny on top of that.
And my

issue with Cheryl with me, I was like, damn it, she's good. I was like, she's too pretty.
Like, I was like, she's so beautiful that I was like, I hope it didn't break the form. And it didn't.

Her beauty only adds to the character. But that's how the cast came about.
Yeah.

Really brilliant cast. Thank you so much.

and what's i'm sure thrilling for you as a writer is you could go to any one of those characters actors and they can carry a story yes yes you can go anywhere which is just the magic beauty of an ensemble a true ensemble doesn't always happen that way i feel like you've been part of really i've been very blessed yeah fantastic ensemble that's because i wanted to be a basketball player where i learned to be team yeah me too oh my god i was just talking about this with tyler like i'm team sports girl yeah the play is the thing.

I'm a team sports girl. Team is the thing, and it's the most fun.
And I don't want to wake up in a new hotel room by myself doing some movie.

I want to hang out with my friends who make me laugh every day. Me too.
And I like home. We call ourselves House Cats at Abbott because we rarely have to leave our stage.

And, you know, it's like France State. The Warner Brothers.
Yeah. We, we, you know, we, it's, it's home.
And it's nice to have a home in the feel, um, to trust each other, trust our crew.

Our crew has pretty much been the same. Who's your audience? Who's your family?

Who is even more intimate with you in a mockumentary? They're just

with you. And so these people are very, very close to us.
And we really value those relationships with our crew. They're just.
They're your dance partners. They are.
Because they are dancing.

Literally. They are.
And they are too. When we move, they have to move.

It's really a very and knowing you well enough enough that, oh, I need to turn over here because this is a reaction I know is coming. Yep.

They come to our table reads, like they're at every single table read

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So tell me about the choice to be a Marquez mentoring

because that's that could be risky because that could be, oh, they did that on the office. Oh, they did that on Parks and Rec.
Totally. You know, oh,

is this a

is this a shortcut? And easy, Is this an easy out for?

There are all these kind of, wait a minute, let me make sure this is the right thing to be doing as an audience. I mean, and then you go,

pretty much immediately I went, oh, no, I get it. This gives you so much more storytelling.
I think too.

But were you hesitant or did you always?

I wasn't. I think the story just called for it to me.

Although I was a huge fan of

the office, clearly. And other mockumentaries, there's one I like called Jamei that is ridiculous.

I wouldn't recommend it to people because I don't think it ages well, but it's by an Australian writer. It's ridiculous.

But anyway, so I like mockumentaries, but I think when Abbott just was conceived in my brain, I remember the day

I just

saw the mockumentary. And I think for a mockumentary, there just has to be a curtain to pull.

If you find, if there's there's a world where it would benefit from,

if it has a curtain to look behind, it's like the world we think we know versus the world that actually is. I think sometimes that's what makes for a good mockumentary.

But, but once again, I think it's also as a storyteller, it's

feeling out what the story requires because then, you know. Do you write the looks? No.
In the camera?

Oh, wow. So now you you really have to trust your players.
Those are spiritual to learn that. Yeah.
Those are.

Don't waste it. Don't waste a look.
And I do trust them because they know when they would or wouldn't.

It's funny too, because Cheryl, when she first started, looking to the camera was so foreign to her as someone who comes from stage and film and, you know, multicams, so foreign to her.

And then it weirdly kind of became a part of her character for a while that

Janine is naturally very inviting to these cameras. She's excited to smile.
I love being on this mockery. It's going to save the school.
Whereas Barbara wants nothing to do with these people.

Ava's presentation. For Janine, it's

vanity. It's

another mirror. Exactly.
Janine, Ava, Ava's vanity, because she just would love to be seen. Janine's like, this is, yeah.
And then Janine is like, this is a way for the school to be seen.

We're going to help the school.

Gregory. is naturally

like, what do you call it? Hesitant to engage with them at first. And then they quickly become his best friends because he's the only normal person here.

So he needs them to be like, Are you seeing this too? It's not just, any of these people are crazy. And Melissa has an extreme distrust as an as a criminal.
She wants nothing to do with them.

She's like, get them the fuck out of this school. Where it's so having those different relationships, Camera, is it's so interesting for the characters.
But,

but I think, yeah, it's just like if the story calls for it, like,

you know, the shows where there's a voiceover,

Sex and City called for that for Carrie's VO. And people try to call that cheap.
It's not cheap.

I think that when they conceived the story, it required, they listened to their story and it required a voiceover.

I think some. some stories still

in that case it was comforting it was comforting and i and i did need her to walk me through yeah through the stories there i think it's the difference between when i kind of talk with peers

if you're con if you're putting together a multicam why is it a multicam

is it because it's cheaper or is it because the story actually benefits from the ways door the ways doors open and close in a multicam or the the rhythm of writing for a multicam.

Because I still believe great multicams can be made, but they need to be,

I think there needs to be a reason for the multicam. And

yeah, like I was, I was giving a lot of thought to this because I just watched a black and white movie and I was like, oh man,

I'd love to see more silent films, more modern silent films, because yes, we've...

We have color and sound now,

but there is like a real grace and beauty in the silent film. And I would like to see sometimes more stories told that way.
The lighting was

the expressions on the actors' faces. You know, like that's like, so I wonder what a modern-day story of like politics right now will look like as a silent film, right?

If you can't hear all the yelling and all the yapping, like, what does it look like silently? I just think stuff like that is really interesting. Which is a good way to watch the debates, by the way.

And you do, you do learn. Wait.

One person is very angry. The other person seems to have joy there.
Yeah,

yeah.

Seeing things for what they are. But yeah.

Can I ask you a question? Is that okay? Yes.

I love talking about myself. Your new show, right? Yep.
Is it NBC? Netflix. It's going to be on Netflix.
Yeah.

Huh.

Mike Schurr wrote it. Oh, Mike Schur wrote it.
That's where I got my NBC brain from. Okay.
Mike Schur wrote it.

Came from a documentary out of Chile.

It got nominated for Oscar, I think. And Mike was able to,

what he does so well, you know, is to take it out of that form and make it an eight-part

series. I really like that man.
Oh, yeah. He's a nice man.
He's, yeah, he is.

One of the most ethical people I know. Really nice man.
And a brain that's ridiculous. Yeah.

But able to sit down and have a conversation with baseball about you. I like that about him.
Yeah. A lot.
He's really, really nice.

And that was it. So are you excited about your show? Yeah, I am.
Part of the thing I love as an actor,

you know, I, well, whatever. I love the opportunity to go through

aging. Yeah.

and still be able to go, well, this is what comedy coming out of this age feels like. This is what, you know, I want to be able to do that as long as I can.
Thank you, Dick Van Dyke. I know.

It was kind of a bumper to hear him talk because I was like, damn it, I was going to retire. But now I kind of want to see what I look like at like 98 doing comedy.
Could you imagine?

I'm like a little shorter, a little, little gray. I think it's going to be really good.

I wish I, that's okay. I don't need to meet him.
I'm just saying, like, it's.

I hope I do. I've been able to spend a lot of time with Carol Burnett recently.
And it's so affirming. It's just affirming.

They are on the same pedestal. Yeah, me too.
And they're very, I don't know, being around people like that,

you just makes you feel just a little less crazy. If you do feel crazy, I don't feel crazy, but like Whoopi Goldberg's like that for me too.
Whenever I get to see her, I just feel a little bit like,

yes. Yeah.
Yes.

That's why I started doing it. This is why I am doing it.
Like you believe in it, but it's really special to be even to talk with you today. Well, it's fun because for me, it's like

it's, I love hanging out with actors. I love hanging out with purposeful people, people who are trying to lead a purposeful life.
Yeah.

Which is you.

That's it's inspiring. Anyway, talk to me about fame.

How was that for you?

When was that?

Oh, people are recognizing me. This is nice to kabam that energy coming at you.
How was that

and when was it right

i've had

two unique experiences with the burst of fame and one was before abbot even happened i was big on the internet because i worked for this website called buzzfeed right and

that was a taste of also fame now has become very very relative like i don't there's so many different kinds of fame, I guess, that

I'm speaking to my unique experience because now I think there's so many different versions of fame that can be experienced. But

the BuzzFeed part was like, whoa, like people, people know me in China. People know me in

other countries, which was so cool. Or walking down the street and being recognized for my work online.

by people who I think were in my age range peer group, people who I, as someone who likes to make people laugh, those are the people I wanted to make laugh at that time.

So that felt affirming and also

cool. Then when Abbott

fame kind of hit, that felt unique because Abbott, with Abbott,

I never know who is watching the show.

And it is

wild to have people walk up to you that you know,

you know, I don't know.

So it'll be like

an old, older white man who comes up and taps me or where previously would have been, I don't know, what's up?

Can I help you? But they like the show. And that's interesting to be

affecting so many people because of my work. And I love that.
And that's the part I like is I have this thing to show that connects us all, a piece of art that I've shared that

makes you happy. And that makes me really happy.
That's the part of fame that I really like is having

work.

Yes. I used to have this little prayer to my silent prayer to myself.
Please don't let my fame outdo my ability to work. That's how I feel.
If I had to just walk around with fame, it would be sad.

Yes.

Or I'd have to scramble to figure a way to not make it sad. Exactly.
And that I did feel myself balancing those two things like last year.

And all of us go through it. You know,

you go through

what is my place in this world as someone who people now know.

And,

you know, naturally the industry is like, well, come to this show. Come to this fashion show.
Come do this thing. Come do this thing.

And at a certain point, you go, am I here because I am, i'm using those people famous or am i here because of my work because there is a difference and i want to make sure that i know the difference i don't it's not up to y'all to know the difference but it's up to me yeah to know what the difference is and so it was finding that balance and realizing i always want to have my work come first and um

have my work be what people know me for more than just right my name or it's kind of why I stayed away from podcasts for a very, very long time.

I think you and Conan might be the first I've done in a very long time because I don't, I don't, like, I don't, I don't know if I want people to know that much about you. Yeah.

And I don't know if I always want them to hear me talk. This feels good because we're talking about comedy.
I still believe I'm walking in the purpose.

But if you just ask me what I have for lunch, I'm like, why do you want to know that?

What did you have? For lunch,

a lovely Italian chopped salad. Sorry.
Didn't lead you down that path.

But you know what I mean? I do, I do. But I am, I am, oof.
You know, I feel like I have, I'm going to try to find another word than vomited. I have, I have, you know, spewed

my life out into the world. Yeah.
You know, and it's too late for me. So how, how do I make use of that now? Is,

you know, I don't, I, you know, I'm.

You bump into De Niro and

he's still mysterious. Yeah.
You know, there are people who are just these amazing, talented people who are mysterious. And there's something cool about that, but it's too late for me.
Wait, really?

You really think that?

The too late part? Yeah. Yeah, because I think, and not after being on TV for this many years,

people

know me or think they know me or have an impression or whatever. They know you, yeah.

So

how do I make use of that? And early on for me, I

realized that fame is tricky.

You know, it's like

my analogy of fame is being a four-year-old kid in the room full of adults all looking and laughing and pointing at you. You can spin that kid out immediately.
They'll go

nutty. Yep.

And that's what it's like being a celebrity if you just absorb that. It's kind of what you're talking about.

Am I going to this because of my work or because I'm now a celebrity

and guarding against that?

But I went, oh, okay.

And I happened to bump into something I cared about, which was

being an ocean advocate, which, you know, is a long story,

but I was able to go, oh, okay.

You know, I'm standing in front of the tent and people are coming up and saying, oh, I love cheers. Will you sign this? And I go, of course.

And while we're doing this, let me tell you about this marine biologist. You know, I learned that if you deflect,

all of that energy coming your way into something you care about,

then you're making use of your celebrity. Yes.
You get to use it

for something you care about. Yes.
And especially if you stick with whatever that issue is so that you actually are knowledgeable and not just totally flitting around.

I feel like that for me, I'm trying to figure out where to focus my attention. Funny you say the ocean because that was like, that was a thing for me for a minute.

I got really into protecting the ocean. I still am, but it wasn't my ministry.
But I started working with, have you heard of the For Ocean group?

I have

it feels like I have, you know, I was like, oh, donated. And then climate is really, really, I don't know what to say.
It is, it has become the thing.

And I care about a lot of causes. I clearly care about schools.
I care about my neighborhood, Philadelphia, where I'm from.

But like the thing that I want to keep learning about and really want to try to pull my weight in that direction is climate change.

But I still want to take the time to know what I'm talking about, to be a real advocate so that if I'm asked, I can either answer the question or point people to the right resources.

And I think it was weird because I cared about it more than I even knew. And Abbott has now won all these awards for being a very green

set in a very, but it's just in my nature to want to conserve energy. I want to try to make it a,

you know, sets are, it's easy to burn

energy and create a lot of waste, but to naturally want to find ways to make that not the case. Right.
A good friend of mine, Kim Bernick, she actually worked on your show on Good Place.

She was the, I forget her official title. I could say she's on the green team at Universal, but she helps to make sure

everything is

as efficient as possible there. And just my friendship with her has impacted me so much.
It changes how I think about

everything. So I think that might be where I put my celebrity soon.
Good. Yeah.
Good. I mean,

yeah.

As you wish, but I think it is the overarching conversation. I mean,

I, for the longest time, my relationship to climate change was

I'm giving at the office. I'm, you know, I'm pouring my life into ocean advocacy.
Totally. And then you realize, oh,

you know, the big gorilla in the room is climate change, which can undo literally everything you care about. It's all connected.
All the ocean work

out the window if we don't do something about it.

Anyway. Wait, you said something first, though, that was really interesting to me about

faith. Oh, I forget, but

I don't know. You said something really.
I think it was interesting when you were on cheers.

Because I'm talking about all this different kind of fame now. It felt like back then there weren't that many different types of fame and i felt like you were very very very very very famous like

very famous and the show was so big

is that a time that you

were you aware i remember talking about about this with like jennifer anison because we recently did an actors on actors and she was like i saw that that was lovely yeah really lovely she was saying how you know they were just making their little show on their little set did you feel it did you guys Well, we started off slowly.

We were last in the ratings, you know. I didn't know that.
One year. I don't know about last for the whole year, but there was one week where we were dead last.
I did not know that. Yeah.

We were like 71, or as Jimmy Burroughs likes to say, 75 out of 71. We were, you know, it was Bill Cosby.
Wow. Which I, you know, I'm now.

Yes, there are many things, but I'm sorry. I got to talk about Bill Cosby and his show.
His show was brilliant. The show was good.
You know, and yes, there's the other show. Sorry, I don't know.

It really was. And it dragged everything behind it that Thursday night.
We all became

top 10 shows because of

that show. Wow.
Yeah. So

it came slowly.

I think it wasn't until we were in syndication that I walked out on the street and

it was like a

tornado of energy coming my way.

And then shortly after that,

I met this man who was an environmental lawyer, and we were trying to keep oil drilling out of Santa Monica Bay. And we succeeded, and we started a small organization.

And that's when I was, I went, oh, well, this works. Oh, interesting.
I'm okay with this. So that soon after, cheers, you started getting into ocean advocacy.
Yeah. That's really cool.
Yeah.

That's that's fascinating too, because Abbott,

my show has been successful, right? Especially in this climate. But what's what's so interesting is

we're in our fourth season and watching people discover the show. And I think that's one of the

beautiful things about TV

is like people picking up a show out of nowhere and all of a sudden it

gains this new life or something.

It happened recently with Suits.

Exactly.

King of Queen is like one of my favorite shows in the world. And it happened with King of Queens recently, where people just were like, Oh, this show was fantastic.

And I just think that's a beautiful thing that happens with TV, especially comedies, too.

I don't know, you can just pick up an old comedy and just become obsessed.

Here's my little confession:

when I, as soon as I hear, and you've now fallen into this category, it started with the office, I think, or no, maybe even friends.

You know, it was like cheers was over, friends all of a sudden went through the roof. And I think there's

not, I think, I have a, you know, shallow, petty side that's going, I don't know, I don't know if I want to watch it.

Yeah, I'll be the judge of that. You know, or something, you know, or fearful that it'll never happen to me again or whatever the fear is.

I put off watching things.

I do too. And then I

watch and go, oh, my God.

And I did it to the point where I became friends with John Krasinski before I had really,

I mean, great friends before I had really

brilliant. Isn't that the best when that happens? Yeah, where you become friends with someone.

I have that with someone.

I have that exact friendship with someone.

And I didn't watch their, oh man,

it's going to kill me to not know who this is right now. Same thing.
Watched them after meeting them and were like,

what? Whoa.

Wait a second.

Whoa, I didn't know you could. Actually, very good friend of mine, I had a beer.
She's on The Bear, and I've been friends with that girl for a long time.

And people were telling me how good she was and everything. Oh, yeah, whatever.
But we became,

we became friends through like stand-up and very good friends. Like, this was my girl, and I, I like her.
Like, we have a very big sister, little sister dynamic.

And then the bear came out and I went to her premiere. And I, I literally turned to her.
I was like, you, I didn't know you could act like this. She's like,

what? She's been on countless shows before. I just didn't know.

And I just had no idea. That show is, for whatever they say it is, very dramatic.
And I did not know she was that much of a dramatic. I was just blown away.

I was like, so you're going to win an Oscar? Is that what you're doing? Like, I didn't know. you were that kind of person, but that's, that's, yeah, I had that relationship with her.
I love that.

Yeah, that's really funny. Yeah.
I mean, seriously, this is, this week has been me going, oh, shit, Abbott, elementary, you know, and Mary had said, you have to watch this. You have to watch this.

And I did that kind of, yeah. Please sell her all over.

I will. Please.
I will. Do you know what I just watched that she was in recently?

And I mind blown. So

back to the future. Yeah.

Back to the future 2 is one of my favorite films of all time. Like, period.

I don't love one that much. And then three is what I like.
Like it'll come on after two on TBS and I'm going to watch it.

I just, for the first time, this is how I found out you were married to her, by the way, you guys.

Right? I'm right. This is her.
Yeah. So then I'm like, holy shit, that's the lady.

Holy shit. So I, then I start looking her up and I was like, Ted dance.

I don't keep up with

relationships.

I know.

You shouldn't anyway. That's how I feel, but I don't keep up with those things.
So I had a real just breakdown in my house.

I go tell the room, and this happens to me all the time, the writer's room, and they're like, Kunta, like,

duh. I don't, I just found out that

Daniel Craig was married to the one lady. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Now I'm blanking, but I found out too recently.

Oh, she's amazing. I love her.

I don't just know these things, but that one shocked me to my core. But it was because of Back to the Future that I found out you guys were married.
Can I FaceTime my mom after this? Say, can I face?

She'll be so proud of me if

I FaceTime her and she can see you. Your mom? Yeah.
Yes. Okay.
Can we do it now? Would you like to do it now? Do you want to do it on the podcast? I hope she answers.

FaceTime.

This is live, ladies and gentlemen. This could go south.
It won't. My dad's more inclined to answer.

He actually might freak out too. It's kind of crazy.
I don't know what reaction we're about to get, you guys.

Let's see what

today is Friday. Yeah.
It's five o'clock.

Yeah, eight o'clock third time. Hey, dad, what you doing?

I'm helping us move some stuff out of this sister's house that

has some problems. She's in the hospital now.
We're going to get it ready for it when she comes home. Oh, that's very nice.
All right.

Oh, you're not with mom, but I wanted to

say hi to Ted Danson. How do you do, sir? I'm having a podcast with your daughter.

Look at this.

Hey, I don't believe it. I know.

I know.

I just finished watching him, watching you do those commercials

telling the lady about the towers. Yes.
Oh, yeah, that is a good commercial. Yeah.
Yeah,

he's up on the scaffold in the towers ordering Chinese food. Yeah.
That's right.

Well, your daughter's amazing.

I'm sure it all came from you.

But it's a pleasure to say hi.

Yeah.

Well, it came from you guys, too. You guys in your earlier days of cinema and TV.
That's all we did was watch and learn. Told you.

So

how's your body? Did it survive being a gymnast?

Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's why I'm in somebody's house right now pulling up rugs and stuff.
Because he's still strong. He's in very good shape.
It's crazy. Good for you.
He's a contractor. Yeah.
Yeah.

Is mama, she's not with you. I'll call her later.
She's home. Okay.

I'll call her later after this. I just want you to say.
Thank you for talking. Thank you.
All right, Ted.

Take care. Bye.
Bye, Ted. He's doing some all right, Ted.

I've been both into him in Philadelphia. Oh, man, he'll lose it.
Cheers really was, I can't explain it. It was one of those ones that really

it's not

it's one of those shows that taught me just the beauty of a good show it just would be on

and then and they just watch it we had our favorite shows the cosby show the show called rock do you remember that oh very well what was his name what is his charles dutton charles you know rock

live yeah he did and those were like favorites but then cheers was just on and i remember learning that there was like a difference in my household between like hot thing and thing that is on that yeah will be watched and

don't touch the remote it's like but you're not even really watching i am i'm listening to it

my family's big on that i'm listening to it don't touch that remote and it's like

you've seen this episode seven times okay and

you said charles dutton or we did and i immediately thought i don't know why of james earl jones who just passed bummer bummer bummer

one of the great great. Bummer.
But a nice long life. Long life.
I saw one of the first Broadway shows I ever saw was Great White Hope. Yeah.
Just like, ooh. Yeah.

So the first one Cheryl saw too, Cheryl Lee Ralph on my show. That was a,

that was, yeah, that was a real bummer. I

very much

looked up to him because his career was so.

vast, like so many different ways to showcase his talent. And I thought that was cool.
And just him being a black man that was just

not easy to find with many black actors let alone black men and he reminds me a lot of my dad so that was also the other thing he always reminded me of my my father and i saw him once but i didn't say hi to him when i was working at the apple store in century city and i came outside and he he's just sitting there

It was very James Earl Jones of him to just be sitting there prominently. And I don't know if he had grandchildren, but there was a kid kid around him.

I don't know if it was his grandchild or what, but

I didn't say anything to him because I was young. And but he, I, he saw me staring at him.
And so he waved. Yeah.
And I just waved back.

And that was like one of my most formative memories because he, yeah, I don't know. It's just incredible.
But I, I get sad, but then I get really happy when people have lived a long time. Yes.

And I hope that they felt fulfilled in their life. And yeah, I felt that

you know bob newhart and norman lear i just like i hope cicely it's i

think it's incredible to get to live to

first of all

you're making it

just like 60 seems to be hard these days so i think it's incredible

My grandpa, he lived till 96. He just passed away two years ago.
And he and I got closer and closer as he got older and I got older.

And

my family won't listen to this, but before he passed away, he told me specifically, he's like, I feel so good about what I've done here. And it was like

how wonderful. I was like, and so when

old age seems like somebody made a mistake or you wouldn't have gotten old, you know, no, no, no, and this is great and you have this to look forward to.

Yes, and he, he didn't, he, he, you know, he's not famous or anything. He, he served in the war and he had a hundred grands, grandchildren and great-grandchildren that he's so proud of.

And I think that that was really beautiful. And it all, it, it just taught me a lot about, like,

being

fortunate enough to live so long and have, and feel like you've like led a good life or whatever. So I hope that I hope James O.
Jones had that.

I bet. Right.
I hope so too, but I bet in my mind's eye, he did, he did.

Yeah. Can I ask you a silly question? If you had a magic wand,

nothing, nothing, you can't look at what's going on in your life right now as a,

you know, a block or a this or whatever. If you had a magic wand, what will you be doing 10 years from now? 10 years from now, magic wand.

Is there something you are you pointing or aiming or are you just living in this moment which is unbelievably successful but do you have some

something you also want to do or i don't even mean work wise

with your life with my life i really want to

i've been i've been reevaluating this recently and i want to

continue to

to live. I know that sounds corny, but when I was younger, I really lived.
I really took risks and enjoyed life and stuff.

And as I think, as I've gotten older, and especially with managing Abbott, I've become a little bit more rigid, a little bit more of the adult, more the adult.

And I don't think I can afford to lose the

childlike glee that comes from living and making mistakes and taking risks. Because I think that eventually that's what's going to help me to be able to

create again, which I do think is my ultimate thing that I do. And so that's kind of my goal is just to

keep living. And I felt like before Ebbot, I felt like I spent many, many years building a car, right? Like slowly putting together pieces of car.
And now I'm riding in the car. But like now I'm like,

I think it might be time to build a new car. I might need to build, you know,

something that can go off-road. I know I need to build a nice new thing.

So in order to do that, I need to feel again, feel what I need and and, and, and just constantly remember that I don't have to be a boring

suit. And I'm wearing a suit, but it's not a boring suit.

It's not a boring suit. It's not a boring suit.
And I just want to have fun too. I don't want to stop having fun.
That's big for me. I really don't want to stop having fun.
I can't imagine you will.

So I hope not. Yeah.
But yeah, no, magic wand, though.

Well, that's pretty good, what you said. Is that good? That's very self-sufficient.
Stay creative.

Stay having fun and being joyful and staring really fix the climate if you gave me a magic wand i'd i'd be okay i'd figure out my own stuff but if you gave me that wand i'd yeah okay fix all of that

that's funny i met my my kind of wake-up call when i was i'm 76 almost 77 when i was turning 70 i realized that i was starting to look for a nice soft landing place and better kept everything in order and, you know,

and settle whatever, you know.

And I met Jane Fonda because Mary and she were about to do a film together. And it was like, holy shit, this woman has her foot at 80

on the gas on the gas. And just,

you know, she really does. No, goes full speed ahead.
Goes full. I mean, Cheryl on my show is kind of like that.
Cheryl, I'm already like, I don't want to get on a plane. I don't want to go anywhere.

Cheryl, that woman goes, goes, goes, and as exhausting as it is for me, especially as a showrunner, because I'm like, Cheryl, if you're not here on Monday,

but she always is. That's the thing.
She always is. She'll be like, I'm flying to Georgia tonight and I'll be back tomorrow at 5 a.m.
I'm like, that's exhausting. How are you going to do that?

And she does it because she wants to, because she has the will to. And I find that so encouraging.
It's really cool. This was really nice.
This felt so good to talk to you. This felt so good.

I am so grateful. This is the best part about this job is I would, if I would, at a party

do the who am I and not come up and approach you and talk to you. I'm so grateful for this time.
Me too. I really am.
Thank you for having me. I'm a huge fan.
Thank you.

I'm also a huge fan, as you can tell.

Family. Thank you for this.
This felt like a very affirming

day and a very affirming conversation. Good.
And please say hello to the writers in your room, which I feel like I kind of know, seeing how how you made the yes because it is where it begins. Yes,

it is. I have so much respect for writers.
That means a lot to them. Yeah.

They're going to love that. They're going to listen to this and love that.
And your cast is brilliant. Thank you.
Anyway, I'm thankful. Thank you for sitting out and talking.
Thank you for having me.

This was lovely.

Well, there you are. That was Quinta Brunson.
I'm so happy I got to sit down and talk with her. Season four of Abbott Elementary is airing right now.
It's an incredible show.

I really encourage you to check it out if you haven't already. That's it for this week's episode.
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