Love and Connection with Tamera Mowry-Housley

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Speaker 2 Welcome to the shit show. Things are going to get weird.

Speaker 2 It's your fae villain, Kale Lower.

Speaker 2 And you're listening to Barely Famous.

Speaker 2 Thank you so much, Tamara, for coming on Barely Famous podcasts. Of course.

Speaker 2 I have to tell you you that

Speaker 2 before we started recording, you were telling me about your lineage. And what's so funny is before we got on set, I had told my friends, I said,

Speaker 2 I, growing up, I thought that because our last names were one letter off that we were related. Really? Mm-hmm.
That was the only reasoning that I was. Oh, but I was like, are we?

Speaker 2 Oh, no, we're probably not.

Speaker 3 Hey, you never know. Have you done your DNA testing?

Speaker 2 I did Ancestry and I did 23andMe. You did? Yeah.
Okay.

Speaker 3 And no one like famous came up or anything?

Speaker 2 No. No.
No, I don't. It's very

Speaker 2 unremarkable. Oh.
So. Yeah.
I mean, yours was very remarkable.

Speaker 2 And that would maybe explain why we were both in the positions we're in, you know?

Speaker 3 Okay, but I will tell you this. Sometimes you just need a little bit,

Speaker 3 well, more extra help because I started doing it

Speaker 3 first after seeing the show. It's called Finding My Roots.
Okay. And I was interested.
I was like, oh my gosh, this looks amazing. I want to try.

Speaker 3 I had my publicist call the show, and they said, well, you can do the swab. We just want to let you know if nothing amazing happens,

Speaker 3 we just,

Speaker 3 I'm sorry, you know? And I was like, yeah, that's it. I was like, okay.
So, you know, I did the whatever, did the thing and sent it off. Didn't hear from them for seven years.

Speaker 2 Seven years? I thought you were going to say seven months.

Speaker 2 Seven years.

Speaker 3 And what had happened was, because I remember doing some of it on ancestry.com, there was a wall. I hit a wall.
Couldn't get past Roger Morey. Okay.

Speaker 3 And that's why I was telling you about the Roger Morey statue and how he was involved, you know, the East Coast, all the colonizations, all of that.

Speaker 3 But what they told me was, it was, I guess, some person down the lineage opened it up. And so, but they were, they were looking.
for seven years. And finally, they had a breakthrough.

Speaker 3 And that's when I found out. So you never know.

Speaker 2 But why couldn't they like give you the update on it during the seven-year process?

Speaker 3 They said it just recently happened. So, the moment they found out,

Speaker 3 I think it was literally,

Speaker 3 they just never gave up, I guess.

Speaker 2 I don't know. But they couldn't have told you that.
Like, hey, we're working on it. Nothing.

Speaker 3 I wish.

Speaker 2 Did you just get a call from out of the blue?

Speaker 3 Yeah, but this is what I learned about it. You know, I'm sure you've heard of this phrase: when something, you got to let it go.
And when something is for you, it'll come back. So that's what I did.

Speaker 3 I was just like, you know, all right, I guess I'm not really that special.

Speaker 2 And then it came back. Were your siblings as invested in this as you were? Or this was kind of like?

Speaker 3 No, it was just me. I've always been interested.
That's so interesting. Yeah.
So I knew my family was from my dad's side. I'm biracial.
My dad is white. My mom's black.
My dad's side is from England.

Speaker 3 My mom's side is from the Bahamas. I've always known that.
Okay. I just didn't know the details.

Speaker 2 Right, right. But then you got them seven years later.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I'm a daughter of the revolution, not once, but twice.

Speaker 2 Wow. Yeah.
And did your siblings also share your excitement about that?

Speaker 3 I think my brothers, they were, that's a very good question.

Speaker 3 My brothers were like, cool.

Speaker 3 Thanksgiving will never be the same. This is kind of like really cool.
Yeah. As I mentioned, people watching.

Speaker 3 My Gregory grandfather, he's the guy, if you look up First Thanksgiving in America, he's the elder praying, and it was his idea to bring the pilgrims and the Native Americans together and give thanks.

Speaker 3 Sure. Because if it weren't for the Native Americans, it would have-I mean, people were dying off.
They didn't understand the land.

Speaker 3 And he thought it was important to just come together and say thank you, show gratitude.

Speaker 2 Right. I do go down rabbit holes on my ancestry where I'll like work on it for a little while.
I like

Speaker 2 hyper-fixating. Yeah, I go down rabbit holes all the time.
So

Speaker 2 I get it. Trust me, I do.
So I can't believe we're at the holidays already, right?

Speaker 3 It's exciting, but also scary because in my mind, well, in my body, I'm like, it was just 2024, like New Year's.

Speaker 2 And now it's about to be 2025.

Speaker 2 And you just filmed a new Hallmark movie. Yeah.
Can we talk about it? Absolutely. Scouting for Christmas.

Speaker 3 Scouting for Christmas.

Speaker 2 How was that filming it?

Speaker 3 You know, it was, I always get just geeked out when I do these films because I genuinely love Christmas. And I've done other films.
Sure. I'm in on Murder Mystery, on Hallmark.

Speaker 3 And I have so much fun doing those. I do them in Ireland.
Don't get me wrong. Yes, it's so much fun.

Speaker 2 That's really cool. We could talk about that if you want to too later.

Speaker 3 But

Speaker 3 the thing about Hallmark Christmas movies is that they truly are magical, even when you're shooting them. Because we all know what's going to happen.

Speaker 3 You know, it's the same formula over and over and over again. But it's just something about the set, the actors, and it's the way they do it.
They never tell me when I accept the offer who my

Speaker 3 leading co-star is going to be. Okay.
And you know, it's a thing over there because they like to use the same actors. So you're like, ooh, who am I going to get this time?

Speaker 3 And in a way, you know, they think, okay, I like Tamira's personality like this. We think that, you know, she'll be like this in the film.
Let's see who can join her in that.

Speaker 3 So it's always intriguing as an actor to see who you're going to play with. Right.
Because that's the way I see acting.

Speaker 3 It's a lot of fun. It's a dance.

Speaker 3 And it's exciting. You get nervous,

Speaker 3 get a little anxious because you don't know who you're going to dance with.

Speaker 2 Right. And then there has to be some level of chemistry, right? Absolutely.

Speaker 3 You never know. And yeah.
I mean, there's only been,

Speaker 3 I think there's only one time where I had to really fight for the chemistry.

Speaker 3 But we had other chemistry, not romantic. Right.

Speaker 3 But Carlo, it was so easy.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 3 I was just like, oh, oh.

Speaker 2 You're like, am I even acting? This is a great time.

Speaker 3 No, it's because

Speaker 3 he made it so easy. He's such a great actor and he's a calming actor because

Speaker 3 I am very empathetic. And so I can sense people's energy just around them.
It's just one of the things that I call it a gift now. When I was younger, I was like, what is this curse?

Speaker 3 I can sense all this energy. I can sense when people are scared, sad.
You know, it's just an energy that some people

Speaker 3 have.

Speaker 3 And I have that. And he was just calming.
He was just like, so I felt safe. Like, and again, as an actor, when you have someone who

Speaker 3 knows their stuff, who's already done their homework, who shows up, it makes it a lot easier.

Speaker 2 Did he know that you were a lead in this movie before I never asked them that.

Speaker 3 Oh, maybe.

Speaker 2 Maybe I'll have to interview him next time.

Speaker 3 Yeah, maybe. Yeah, but he's very well known in the Hallmark world.
And

Speaker 3 he's just, this movie is about baking. And he's just scrumptious.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 He's just. He's very handsome.

Speaker 3 I don't know what it is about the Hallmark actors, but they make me feel very insecure about my chin.

Speaker 2 You shouldn't. You should not.
You're stunning. You looked great in the movie.
Yes.

Speaker 3 Thank you, but they're so chiseled. I'm like, whoa.

Speaker 2 That just means you're really happy. You're making expressions.

Speaker 3 I guess. I guess.

Speaker 3 But

Speaker 3 it was a lot, a lot of fun. And I feel like there's lots of layers to it.
And it's something that I've never done on television, where I play a divorcee

Speaker 3 who,

Speaker 3 you know, I met my...

Speaker 3 my ex-husband when he was, you know, he was a widow.

Speaker 3 So I actually,

Speaker 3 I get full custody of our daughter, but it was his daughter first.

Speaker 3 So that's why we look different.

Speaker 3 But yeah, I love that because it's a modern family.

Speaker 2 Well, I was going to say that. I was going to bring up representation, not just, you know, the biracial children, but also just in general for divorcee, single parent, that whole, I love that.

Speaker 2 Thank you. Yeah, no, I really have also have biracial children.
So it's very important to me that they, you know, see representation. And so I think that's incredible that you put together this movie.

Speaker 3 Well, thank you. It was a risk because

Speaker 3 I've never done anything

Speaker 3 like that before where, I mean, she's Caucasian, right? Daughter, like in the film. And I was like, oh, Lord, how is this going to be perceived? Yeah.

Speaker 3 But nowadays, it's so beautiful. I asked my mom.
She is a friend who adopted, who's black, who adopted a Caucasian girl. And we see it the other way around all the time.
Sure.

Speaker 3 You know, Caucasian families adopting black children, but I've never seen it like the opposite like that.

Speaker 3 And so it was important to have representation, but at the same time, I didn't want the film to be about that.

Speaker 3 I wanted the film to be about their connection, their unconditional love for each other. And a mother and daughter relationship can look be, I mean, it could be so many different ways now, you know?

Speaker 3 I mean, that's what I loved about it.

Speaker 2 I loved it. And you had a role, you had several roles off camera as well.
Yes. So how was that?

Speaker 3 Well,

Speaker 3 I love to produce. I love,

Speaker 3 I love all of it. I love

Speaker 3 the writing aspect of it. There were things that,

Speaker 3 like,

Speaker 3 initially, I was like, can we change this or can we change that? Being in the industry for so long, I never realized that I developed that muscle. It kind of just happens naturally.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 So when you're presented with a situation where you have to pivot,

Speaker 3 you've got it. You've got the tools.

Speaker 2 Right. You know, right?

Speaker 3 So I love it eventually. And I think you're the first person I'm telling this.

Speaker 2 Oh, where's my water? This is the tea.

Speaker 3 This is the tea. This is the tea.

Speaker 2 That's your new podcast name. Maybe.
Yeah. Hey.

Speaker 3 My name is Tamara. Starts with a T.

Speaker 3 I love working with children.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 3 Some people don't. I found by playing a mother on multiple of these films that it comes natural to me that I'm always the mediator between the director and the child.
Okay.

Speaker 3 So I can see what the director wants.

Speaker 3 And because I just know how to talk to children,

Speaker 3 and I know that we don't have many hours as you would have with an adult on a set, They only can work for a certain amount of time. And I know that they need to get it done.

Speaker 2 I'm like, hey,

Speaker 2 pretend you're with your friend. Yeah.
Okay.

Speaker 3 And you haven't seen her in a really long time. And just be like, hi.

Speaker 3 They just get it. Right.
So eventually I would love to direct

Speaker 2 children. That would be incredible.
Right. They need someone like you who gets it and can talk to them on their level.
And I think that would be really cool.

Speaker 2 I wouldn't, if my kids were to go into acting, that's what I would want for them.

Speaker 3 You want them to feel safe. Yeah.
You know, you want them to have fun. And that's literally what I do.
And the first thing I do when I

Speaker 3 meet my

Speaker 3 kids that are going to play my children, I say, hey, I get on their level and I tell them, listen, we're going to have fun. That's all I want you to do.
I want you to have fun.

Speaker 3 And you can just see their little shoulders kind of just,

Speaker 3 and then their smile, you know, it's just, it's bright. And yeah.
And Audrey, I thought she did a great job in this film. And she's so sweet.
At the end, she was like, Can we stay in touch?

Speaker 3 Here's my Instagram. I want us to DM each other.
We've been DMing each other. I DM all, I'm still friends with all the kids that

Speaker 3 I have played their moms.

Speaker 2 I love that. Yeah.
Well, it definitely came across on screen when I was watching it. It was like, actually, this is incredible.
Even the scene, I think it was maybe 20 minutes-ish in,

Speaker 2 where you sit on her bed

Speaker 2 and you just have that little scene. I was like, wow, that's actually, it comes across really well.
Thank you. Like you both played it really well.
Thank you.

Speaker 2 Do you also like advocate for what snacks they want on set?

Speaker 3 Well, they usually have their mom there.

Speaker 3 So I try not to get involved there.

Speaker 3 But

Speaker 3 for the most part, all the kids' moms have been fantastic. So I've never had to intervene.
Oh, okay. But I would.

Speaker 2 You're like, hold on, she wants string cheese.

Speaker 2 What were your favorite parts about filming this movie specifically?

Speaker 3 Favorite parts? I mean, the the guy who plays Dakota, he is

Speaker 2 the really tall one. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 He, my ex,

Speaker 3 he was just so funny because he's

Speaker 3 a new actor.

Speaker 3 And I don't know.

Speaker 3 We just had fun. I don't know if I can choose one particular moment.

Speaker 3 Because everyone just, I thought the actors were just so great. And it was just, what is it, effortless.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 3 So when a film feels effortless, the whole thing is,

Speaker 3 it's magical. It was fun.
We just show up. He would do his thing.
She would do her, you know, thing. And I would do mine.
And yeah, it was seamless.

Speaker 2 Seems like a good place to, like a good setting to be working in.

Speaker 3 Yes, because

Speaker 3 I've had movie sets where it wasn't that way, where I felt like I had to work so hard. And this one, I didn't.
It was like, if there was a word, it was just, I felt like it it was a breeze.

Speaker 2 Okay. Yeah.
I mean, that's, that's a good adjective to use, I feel. I mean, like I said, it comes across on screen.
So I think you guys all did a good job. Thank you.

Speaker 2 Do your kids in real life think it's cool that you're on TV?

Speaker 3 They think it's amazing. Okay.

Speaker 2 As they should.

Speaker 3 Because, yes, because their friends think I'm cool.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 3 I think that's the only reason why, though.

Speaker 2 You're like, you're not actually cool, but the friends say you're cool. So you're cool, I guess.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 3 I'll never forget when my kids realized that I was famous. And it was in Aiden was in third grade

Speaker 3 and Ariah was in first.

Speaker 3 And my son's now in sixth.

Speaker 3 I came to school and they were like, Mom, my friends know who you are.

Speaker 3 They loved your show, sister, sister. They've never even watched it.

Speaker 2 I love that show.

Speaker 3 You know, during the pandemic, sister-sister was on Netflix. And I guess all the kids were watching it.
And then literally when I drive up, they're like, hi.

Speaker 3 Like all the kids they come to my car, and they're like, Can we have play dates at your house?

Speaker 2 I'm like, Oh my gosh, you guys, you guys, you guys. You're like, I'm actually never doing pickups.

Speaker 3 I did that once. I had seven, seven kids, um, so nine kids total in my house.

Speaker 2 Oh, wow, never again. You're like, We're not doing that.
Nope, nope.

Speaker 3 Now I break it, I break it up.

Speaker 2 But it's always a party at Tamara's house. Yeah.

Speaker 4 She's made up her mind to live pretty smart. Learns her budget responsibly right from the start.

Speaker 4 She spends a little less in boots, more into savings. Keeps her blood pressure low and credit score raisins couldn't get right out of her life.

Speaker 4 She tracks her cash flow on a spreadsheet at night.

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Speaker 3 The only thing is, my daughter has two issues with me acting. When other kids are my kids,

Speaker 3 in the movie, she's like, who is that?

Speaker 3 Is she playing your daughter?

Speaker 3 Oh, but I'm your daughter.

Speaker 2 Can she ever play your daughter?

Speaker 3 So that's what she said. She said, Mom, can I play your daughter? Yeah.
In the next film. And I'm like, well, I want you to slowly, you know,

Speaker 3 move into it. Um,

Speaker 3 because I mean, she's never acted, and I don't want her to show up, and but she

Speaker 3 has the gene, though. She see it, she, and she has the it factor.
Like, it's like, wow, but she hates when I kiss other men.

Speaker 2 Oh, I mean, rightfully so. I get it.
Yes. I mean, she'll get it with you.
Hallmark kiss. Right.

Speaker 2 So will you,

Speaker 2 will you guys watch, or have you already watched the, the whole Hallmark film at home as a family?

Speaker 3 No.

Speaker 3 So So I'm one of those actors that have a very hard time watching myself.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 3 So it's pretty weird and crazy. Yeah.

Speaker 3 But I kind of, I am only allowed to watch it three times because after the third time, my brain goes into like criticizing mode.

Speaker 2 I'm like, why is your hair doing that?

Speaker 3 Why does your nose look like that? Why did you say I'm like that? Like, and I'm not alone. There's lots of actors who do this.

Speaker 3 So I'll watch it slowly, like with my eyes closed a little bit.

Speaker 2 Then I'll be like, oh, okay, that wasn't that

Speaker 3 bad. And then have a glass of wine, and then I'll, because I had to once I started producing.

Speaker 2 Okay, you had to watch it because you have to. You have to watch.
Yep.

Speaker 3 And you have to know the cuts and all that. But it was, that was hard.

Speaker 2 Yeah. It was very hard.
I would imagine. And how about your husband? Does he ever have interest in watching them?

Speaker 2 Oh, he does.

Speaker 3 Yes. And he's very...

Speaker 3 He gives me wonderful feedback.

Speaker 2 Oh, does he like not mean? It's like constructive. Yeah, very constructive.

Speaker 3 He's my number one fan. He'll be like,

Speaker 3 amazing Tamira, better than the first.

Speaker 3 Or he'll be like, you know,

Speaker 3 the chemistry maybe wasn't. Who was her?

Speaker 3 You know, he's,

Speaker 3 yeah. But my goal is, is, you know, he watches Ted Lasso

Speaker 3 and Yellowstone. Oh, yeah.
He's like, man, this is an amazing show. And he keeps saying it over and over and over.
I'm like, you don't talk like that when you watch my movies.

Speaker 3 So my goal is for him to just be like, man, not talk about me, but talk about the show as a whole and be like, man, this is a good show. I really love this show.
I can't wait for that.

Speaker 2 I mean, it's it's coming. 2025, 2024, 2025 is

Speaker 2 100%.

Speaker 2 Oh, I love that.

Speaker 3 Let's put it out there.

Speaker 2 So for the logistics of filming, when you say that you have to watch cuts and stuff like that,

Speaker 2 I mean, I only edit TikTok, so I'm not anywhere near on your level, but do you have to ever re-film entire scenes?

Speaker 3 There are times, yes, you do. Thank God on Hallmark.
I only had to do it once.

Speaker 2 Okay. So what is that like for continuity things, right? Like in Mean Girls, I can pick out some things where I was like, like, wait, that's actually, they show the camera and then.

Speaker 3 What about Game of Thrones? You remember the Starbucks Cup?

Speaker 2 Oh, I never saw that. Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah. Was it a whole thing on TikTok?

Speaker 3 I don't think it was on TikTok. I think it was just people, you know, because pointed it out.
Oh, yeah. The final episode was huge.
And they pointed it out.

Speaker 3 It was the Starbucks Cup in Game of Thrones. Like, Starbucks, that's like a whole nother.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Oh, my God. Yeah.
I was like, oh, my gosh.

Speaker 3 Nobody got that.

Speaker 3 But this is the thing. This is what I've learned.

Speaker 3 Nothing is going to be perfect. Right.
You know what I mean? There's going to be, my hair is going to be different. I did a whole film, well, Girl Friendship.
I changed my nail color. No one saw that.

Speaker 2 I used to do it on purpose for reality.

Speaker 3 So people can see?

Speaker 2 Well, because I would get so upset at, you know, I was pigeonholed a little bit. Oh, yeah.
So I was like, no, I want to show that this is actually not how it played out. Oh, I see.
So what you did.

Speaker 2 Yeah. So they would be like, I need you to put this outfit on.
And I'd be like, okay. But my hair would be different.
And I would do it on purpose.

Speaker 2 But that was during my rebellious era, so we won't talk about that. As you know, this is about you

Speaker 3 for fighting, you know, for that, though.

Speaker 2 I mean,

Speaker 2 they didn't love that, but it's fine. Okay, I'm not acting.
I wish I could act. I feel like that would be really cool.
But, so, do your kids express does your son?

Speaker 3 My daughter, your daughter, my son. No, my son, my husband was a professional baseball player.

Speaker 3 So, my son is falling into the athlete category right now. He wants nothing to do with acting, although he has the face.
Sure. He has a face for modeling.

Speaker 3 He has a face for acting, but he's like, nope, don't want to do this. My daughter, the girl, I do TikToks, reels of her.
I'm doing the scenes with her, and I'm like, oh.

Speaker 2 You're like, let me take you to the Hallmark set with me. Yeah, like, amazing.

Speaker 3 Yeah. She has it naturally.

Speaker 2 Do you think Hallmark would be a good place to start for her or for anyone that's trying to get into the hall, into the acting world? Yes. Okay, so maybe that's my sign.
Yes. Probably not.

Speaker 3 No, I really do. I really do think so.

Speaker 3 And I think I'm going to

Speaker 3 try and put her in one of my next films. I just want the right role.

Speaker 2 Sure. And as her mom, and you'll be essentially her boss, too.
You want it to be the right fit. And I get that.

Speaker 2 Well, I love that. I know that 90s kids are freaking out right now because everyone I grew up with, we loved watching Sister, Sister.

Speaker 2 There's a ton of stuff actually out there right now. I know Demi Lovato just came out with a documentary about child stars.

Speaker 2 How do you feel about that, you know, knowing everything that you know from being a child actor?

Speaker 3 I, I mean, it's, it just, it's disheartening. It's, it's sad.

Speaker 3 And I studied psychology and my emphasis was on abnormal childhood development. So, and I worked actually at a place called Holly Grove.
I worked with kids who were neglected and abused.

Speaker 3 I worked with boys from nine, oh Lord, I think I forgot. It was either nine to 12 or 9 to 14.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 it's just sad that that kind of stuff is

Speaker 3 happening. Fortunately for me and my sister, we had an amazing support team.
Like we were very well taken care of because

Speaker 2 my mom.

Speaker 3 My mom would not have it any other way. I mean, she fought for us to be normal.

Speaker 3 You didn't see us going out to any of the after parties or, you know, doing anything like that. We were very sheltered.
Now,

Speaker 3 because of that, as I got older,

Speaker 3 I was like, oh, hello, world.

Speaker 2 Wow.

Speaker 3 I thought everyone was like, thought like me, you know, because we were very, very sheltered.

Speaker 3 But I'm grateful we had that protection and also the support to kind of just,

Speaker 3 you know, grow and get through the weeds.

Speaker 3 But faith, faith played a very big part in my life and in my mom's life. And that, I think, is what helped us stay afloat and protected from all the chaos that that was happening.

Speaker 3 I'm just happy that people are talking about it now

Speaker 3 so that

Speaker 3 this can't happen ever again.

Speaker 2 Right. And we don't want to discredit anything that some of these actors have and people have gone through.

Speaker 2 But I think it's, would it be fair to say, would you say that not every single child actor experienced something like this? Oh, yeah.

Speaker 3 And I think that's, you know, that's, and you can say that in every aspect of, you know, life. But the fact of the matter is, is even if it did happen to one person, sure.

Speaker 3 We need to talk about it and we need to change that from happening. But yeah, there, I'm, not every child actor went, went through that.
I didn't. Sure.
And I'm grateful that I didn't.

Speaker 2 Yeah. No, I get that.
I think now I'm seeing a lot of stuff about like influencing and things like that. And just because it's, you know, times are different now.
And so

Speaker 2 there's always this fine line because I have seven kids, right? Like, how much do I put them online? Do I not put them online? Do I give them a choice, which I do.

Speaker 2 Like, I, I mean, even my four-year-old, I'm like, can I post this? Yeah. You know what I mean? Just so that they have a voice and they know that they can trust me with that.

Speaker 2 And I just want to do all the things I can as a mom to protect them.

Speaker 2 And being on both sides, I feel like, of the industry, you know, you kind of have a better idea of what that looks like for genetic actors.

Speaker 3 Thank God, like I said, too, that I have a mom that

Speaker 3 that was her number one thing. She didn't care how bad she looked.
Like, if they went past a certain hour and they really needed to get that shot, she was like, no.

Speaker 2 You'll get it when you can get it. Exactly.
And I love that. Yeah.
She was a strong woman. Yes.
Yes. Had to be.
Yeah. What was your favorite role growing up or even now?

Speaker 2 What was your favorite role to play?

Speaker 3 I would say my favorite role, I have three. And what's interesting is

Speaker 3 when you're shooting a film, you kind of have an inkling that, ooh, this is special. Okay.
This is, this is going to be like one that goes down in the books. So, first, obviously, Tamara Campbell.

Speaker 3 I mean, sister, sister. It's epic.
It's classic.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 3 She was so much fun because I was playing actually,

Speaker 3 I'm actually an extroverted introvert.

Speaker 2 An extroverted introvert. Maybe, am I one of those? That's me too.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Yeah.
So I'm not like an introvert, introvert. Like I'm extroverted.

Speaker 2 Like we're talking, we're having a great time.

Speaker 3 Yeah. But how I need to re-energize, I have to be by myself.
Okay. Like go in my room, Woosa, close the door, and just like relax.

Speaker 2 Like you value your alone time. Yes.
Yes.

Speaker 3 Yes. Where my husband is an extrovert, extrovert.
I'm like, babe.

Speaker 2 I need seven to ten business days.

Speaker 3 Yes, please give me a break. Yep.
The funny thing about Tamara Campbell, it was the opposite of who I am.

Speaker 2 Okay. Yeah.

Speaker 3 I'm

Speaker 3 crazy. Yeah.
But at a party, I'm like, get me the heck out of here. I was the girl in the corner going, why are you drinking? Do you realize how crazy?

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 3 All right. And then I'll be like, oh, my goodness.

Speaker 3 He's cute, girl. All right.
Get it, girl. But I didn't do that.
I'm just going to sit in a chair. I'm so tired.
I want to go home and watch a movie. So that was me.

Speaker 2 Those, the personalities that you and Tia played on Sister Sisters. Opposite.
Wow. Yes.
Are you kidding? Yeah. No.

Speaker 2 Wow. I wonder if it was the same experience for Mary Kate and Ashley.

Speaker 3 Maybe. I don't know.
Wow, that's so interesting.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 3 And Tia,

Speaker 3 they're not identical. We're identical, Tia and I.
Oh, they're not identical.

Speaker 2 Have you met them? Yes. Wow.

Speaker 3 My sister and I actually, my brother was Teddy on Full House.

Speaker 2 Oh, I knew that, actually. I didn't even think about it.

Speaker 3 I was like, I used to see them all the time. And yeah.

Speaker 2 They're not identical? No. Wow.
I just had twins myself.

Speaker 2 I have fraternal twins.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but they're boy-girl. So and they look nothing alike.
So they don't even look like twins, truly. But anyway, so sister, sister was one.

Speaker 3 Yeah, sister, sister. Then I would have to say Cameron Twitches.
Twitches. Twitches is classic.

Speaker 3 I can't believe it's people still watch those. Should we do a reboot? I want to.
That would be incredible. So it's, it's, it's, there are,

Speaker 3 there are

Speaker 3 people that don't want to.

Speaker 2 So I don't know.

Speaker 3 I don't know. I don't.
I just want to make sure that the people who are involved all are there

Speaker 3 because then it'll be weird. You got to have everybody.

Speaker 2 You got to have the full cast or nothing at all.

Speaker 3 I would, I would

Speaker 3 love to.

Speaker 3 I had so much fun playing that character, and it would be so dope to see the

Speaker 3 Cameron and Alex as adults and now have these kids, you know, maybe who have the magical power. The other one is actually the

Speaker 3 Murdering G Major. It is the Hallmark Movie and Mysteries

Speaker 3 series. So they have a series of movies.
I've done one. I play Gethsemane Brown, and she is a music teacher in Ireland, but she's an American in Ireland.
She's the only woman of color

Speaker 3 in the film, and she wears this bright, like these bright coats. My hair is naturally curly.
The wind and rain is always blowing at me.

Speaker 3 But I help solve murders, and a ghost helps me.

Speaker 2 No, that's so fun.

Speaker 3 It's, it, it is so much fun, and so I have to bring you back. Yeah, I enjoy playing Gethsemane.

Speaker 2 I love that. Uh, so, do you ever get upset if someone recognizes you from Sister Sister, yes, but doesn't know of your other accomplishments and your accolades, do you ever get upset by that?

Speaker 3 No, no, Sister Sister made me who I

Speaker 3 like, yeah. When people sing the theme song, yeah, sister, sister, I'm like, hey, never knew how much I missed it.
That show, you can sing too.

Speaker 3 That show actually helped pay my college bills. It helped me be, you know, where I am today.

Speaker 2 Sure.

Speaker 3 So, yeah.

Speaker 2 That's okay. Cool.
If they don't know all of your accomplishments outside of that, that's fine.

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah, because the coolest thing about Sister Sister is we have people from two years old to 92 years old watch that show.

Speaker 3 So there's, there's so,

Speaker 3 and so many cultures. I can go to Paris.
They're like,

Speaker 3 avivon style. Au vie vie won stilo.
And I'm like, luckily I took French. And I was like, oh, you want my autograph? Sure.

Speaker 3 I went to Venice, Italy, two years ago. And

Speaker 3 she was, she said, Netflix, Netflix. And I was like, sister, and I was like, yes, hello.
You know?

Speaker 2 Black boxes.

Speaker 3 Yeah. So there's so many people who have watched that show, different walks of life.
maybe my Hallmark movies aren't their cup of tea. Maybe a talk show isn't their cup of tea.
Sure.

Speaker 3 But the fact that sister, sister, I will tell you this, everybody watched that show.

Speaker 2 Everyone did. Everyone did.

Speaker 3 I just don't know if Asia has the show.

Speaker 2 Well, they should. Yeah.
We haven't. Yeah.
We got to call your PR. Yeah.
Let's get that out of there. Yeah.
But you got to get residuals.

Speaker 2 Like everywhere. Yeah.
No, I love that.

Speaker 2 Question. So when you and Tia were filming sister-sister, was Taj filming Smart Guy? Smart Guy.
Yes. Is that why you neither one of you were casted as his sister?

Speaker 3 Yes.

Speaker 2 Because I was my assistant and best friend, she had never seen Smart Guy, and I was like singing

Speaker 2 obsessed with Smart Guy. So good.
And I was like, I wonder why they didn't cast Tia or Tamira as...

Speaker 3 I know. have, I would gladly have done it.

Speaker 2 Yes. But it was two shows at once was probably not doable.

Speaker 3 Yeah, no. Okay.

Speaker 3 Yeah. We started and then he was on.
So we were on for six years. So he started when we were year three.
And he's been on our show. Taj has been our show.

Speaker 3 But also, Taj's, that boy was booked and like busy and booked, booked and busy, like all the time.

Speaker 3 And then he got his own show and T and I were still. And then our shows ended at the same time.

Speaker 2 So what was the reason?

Speaker 3 I think they just wanted to move on. Ratings were solid.
It's just, you know, sometimes shows just run their course.

Speaker 3 And I felt bad for Taj because, well, I should, I mean, the boy is still booked and busy.

Speaker 3 But at that moment, I was like, oh, because Sister Sister is ending. Is Smart Guy ending?

Speaker 2 Sure. I always thought that.

Speaker 3 Because he would air at 8, we would air at 8:30. So it was the Maury Block.

Speaker 2 What was that like as a family? Amazing.

Speaker 3 We were living the freaking dream.

Speaker 2 Wow. Yeah.
And then you have another brother, right?

Speaker 3 Yes, Tavi. So Tavier is a musician.
Tavier lives in Nashville. He's married.
He has a son. Try try.
His name is Triumph. Zandy is fantastic.
They're just a musical family.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 3 Like my one-year-old nephew plays the drums. Wow.
My brother, Tavi, taught himself how to play the guitar. And my sister-in-law is a lead guitarist in her group called Respects.

Speaker 2 That's really cool.

Speaker 3 So, yeah, they're just a musical family. And if you play an instrument, I learned how to play the violin because my character, Get Simony Brown, plays the violin.

Speaker 3 You, you, I mean, it's hard.

Speaker 2 Yeah, oh, yeah,

Speaker 3 intelligence.

Speaker 2 Did he ever feel left out because three of his siblings were in the acting world and he was more in the musical world?

Speaker 3 No, I think he wanted to do something different because of that. He was like,

Speaker 3 Y'all are doing that. That's not for me.
He tried it, and he was like, This isn't for me. Let me do something different.

Speaker 3 And if anything, he's like, I

Speaker 3 want to do this for me. I don't want people, you know, it's kind of like when you have celebrities who have children, they go into the same, you know, field.

Speaker 3 You don't want them to be chosen just because, you know, you're their mom or their dad. Right.
You want them to be chosen because they're talented. That's my brother, Tavier's mindset.

Speaker 2 Okay. Yeah.
I mean, that's fantastic. I mean, all of that.
But I think that's incredible that he has a musical.

Speaker 3 Yeah, and he's fantastic. Check him out.

Speaker 3 Tavier Maury. Check out his profile.
I love that. He's very handsome, too.
Like, we think he's the hottest Maury.

Speaker 3 We do. Like, check out his nose.
We're just like, your nose is so perfect.

Speaker 2 It's so unfair. I think the whole family is good looking.

Speaker 3 Well, thank you.

Speaker 2 You just do a whole family Scuncy brand, a whole line. Because you also just came out with.

Speaker 3 I know. I never stopped.

Speaker 3 Is it

Speaker 2 Scuncy? I said it right? Yes. Okay, because we weren't sure if it was Scunchie.
But that's Scuncey. Scuncey.
And you just came out Scuncy.

Speaker 3 Scuncy, yes.

Speaker 3 So I've been a huge fan of Conair products. You know, the curling irons, everything, blow dryers, fusers.

Speaker 3 However, and I also did a Scuncy hair accessory line

Speaker 3 about two years ago for about two years.

Speaker 3 I thought it was really, really, really important to develop a hairline that focused on natural hair.

Speaker 3 Because now, more than ever, women with natural hair are

Speaker 3 being accepted. Like, it's crazy to think that curly hair, your natural locks, your dreads, were not accepted in the workplace.

Speaker 3 And growing up in the business, they always wanted us to, once you became a woman, they wanted you to straighten your hair. I remember going out on audition and killing it.
You know that vibe.

Speaker 3 You know that feeling. And the feedback was we couldn't get past her hair.

Speaker 3 That's why I didn't get it.

Speaker 2 Did they tell you that? Yes.

Speaker 3 Yes. I had chills.
I know. So I grew up with a complex about my natural curly hair.
Yeah,

Speaker 3 this stuff is real. And women with natural hair, they will tell you.

Speaker 3 So say you have, you know, your natural locks and you go out for, you know, a job and they're like, no, it's not, it's not the proper hair that you should have here when it's who you are.

Speaker 2 Right. Right.

Speaker 3 My hair is straight now because that's the beauty of having natural hair is we can straighten it. We can keep it curly.
There's so many textures and styles.

Speaker 3 I had to relearn to enjoy the hair that came out of my head because of the things that were said.

Speaker 3 And, you know, I wanted to, you know, you're an actress, you kind of have to fit in that box to even be hired.

Speaker 2 I was like, heck no.

Speaker 3 I had my son Aiden. He came out with this, like, I mean, he had gorgeous, just curly locks.
And I was like, I got this hair. Why am I not embracing it?

Speaker 3 Chopped, chopped my hair because it was when you straighten it a lot, you can damage it.

Speaker 3 Chopped it off, had my natural hair grow back in, and I was on my own curly hair journey. And I learned a lot of things along the way.

Speaker 3 And I was like, My hair is better now than it's ever been because I have the knowledge. Knowledge is power.

Speaker 3 So I just wanted to share, create a line with all the tools that I learned to help keep my hair gorgeous and bouncy and healthy, I wanted to create a line for women. And you did that.
And I did that.

Speaker 3 So, little things like that are important, but satin hair bonnets. And that's for women just in general.
Satin pillows, it's great for our skin.

Speaker 3 You know, the cotton kind of, if you get stuck, you can create little wrinkles as you get older. That stuff sticks.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 My esthetician showed me this line right here. Yeah.
She like pushed my face up, and I was like, okay, I'll get a silk pillow face. I got that.

Speaker 3 So bonnets are great for our hair. Our hair can easily tear when we're rolling around at night.
Elastic bands, you don't want that elastic, you know, the rubber.

Speaker 2 The rubber.

Speaker 3 That helps when you're putting your hair in a ponyhill. There's certain brushes that we should use to help with detangling.

Speaker 3 You want a detangle brush that moves with your hair because if it doesn't, it'll snap off the curl. Okay.
At the end, headbands,

Speaker 3 you know, scrunchies, scunchy scrunchie.

Speaker 3 So I just wanted to create something that was fun and affordable for women who already have gone through their hair, their curly hair journey, or women who are just starting.

Speaker 2 Right. Yeah.
No, I love that. And my daughter is biracial.
Yes. And I was.

Speaker 3 I'd have to bring you some.

Speaker 2 I'll buy it. I want to support.
Absolutely want to support. I was telling the girls that before we came for this recording.
I said, you know, I'm kind of keeping an eye on her. Her name is Valley.

Speaker 2 I keep an eye on her curls because I don't know what what kind of curl pattern she has.

Speaker 2 I have a Pinterest board on like hairstyles because I want to be in the know about, you know, how to, how to style her hair, treat her hair, all the things because it's different than mine.

Speaker 2 So I loved that you did this line. I think it's incredible.
Yeah. So where can people buy that?

Speaker 3 You can buy them at Rite Aid, CVS, Walmart. It'll be on Amazon.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Perfect. I know.
It's accessible for everyone, right? So local retailers and also online. Yes.
Okay, perfect. So you and your husband also own a winery?

Speaker 3 I know, girl.

Speaker 2 What don't you do?

Speaker 3 Okay, this is crazy.

Speaker 3 Because what I've learned about me and my team, I have these dreams and these goals, and I literally write them down. I like pray about it.
I meditate on it, and

Speaker 3 I tell my team. Yeah.
And then

Speaker 3 years later, a year or two later, I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm doing it.

Speaker 3 And then I'm like, oh, my gosh, I don't have time to do anything else.

Speaker 3 I was the one that literally waited to 21 to drink wine.

Speaker 2 I was one of the same. Also, all right.

Speaker 2 We're here. Okay.
Didn't you say that in an episode of Sister, Sister once? I don't know. We're here.
Oh, yeah. Oh, always.
Okay. Yes.
I knew it. Okay.

Speaker 3 But I absolutely, I loved it. I loved how you compare wine, you know, with food and get like a completely different taste.

Speaker 3 I met my husband and his family owned a winery, and I was like, this is dreamy. This is fun.

Speaker 3 But now, my father-in-law, he's 79, and he's like, I don't want to do this anymore. I don't want to do this.
Will you and Adam take it over?

Speaker 3 And my husband looked at me and he was like, is this something that you would want to do? We'd have to move to Napa. We have to move to wine country.
And I was like,

Speaker 2 you're like, of course. Yeah, I'll do it.

Speaker 3 And it's awesome. So, yes, I now own a winery.
That's incredible. I work in our tasting room.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I'm not there every day. My husband is because I'm pushing the other things.

Speaker 3 But we have seven, at least seven varietals.

Speaker 3 I mean, Prosecco, Pinot Griggio, Chardonnay, a Napa Cab, an Estate Cab, where the grapes come from Lodi. We have Sister Wine, which is a rosé specifically marketed towards women.

Speaker 3 Because I noticed working in the tasting room, we have tons of women come in on their girl trips or have their bridal, you know, parties. And we just wanted a wine to represent that.

Speaker 3 It's pink, it's luscious. Girly.
Yes, it is so girly. It is yummy.
I love it. We also have a coffee shop.

Speaker 2 I was going to ask you about that. I wasn't sure.
So when I was researching, I wasn't sure if you guys owned it or is it called Barnhouse? Okay.

Speaker 3 The reason why it's called Barnhouse is because you think of the country, you have a barn house, right?

Speaker 3 But our partner is Barnes, Eric Barnes, who was my husband's photographer. My husband worked for,

Speaker 3 well, he was a

Speaker 3 journalist. And then Housley, my last name, house.
So it's barn house.

Speaker 2 I love that. Yeah.

Speaker 3 No, that's really creative. It's actually a coffee house like slash pub.
So in the morning, it's a coffee house. And at night, it turns into a pub because my husband and I love to travel the world.

Speaker 3 And we love how in England they have these pubs. So you can have pastries in the morning, coffee, and then as the day goes on, you eventually are going to have french fries,

Speaker 3 sausage

Speaker 3 rolls, beer, wine. We have coffee flights.

Speaker 2 So it sounds like I should plan a team building activity or a team building trip

Speaker 2 to Napa Valley. 100%.
So that we can go to Barnhouse and then also go to the winery.

Speaker 3 Yes, I will take care of you too. So just stop.

Speaker 2 No, yeah. Don't have me with a good time because we have to do these team building activities.

Speaker 3 I'm telling you, we have people, when I say that and they come, just let my team know

Speaker 3 that you're coming and we will take care of you. We take

Speaker 3 pride in doing that.

Speaker 2 That's awesome. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I love that. Well, if you guys are in Napa Valley, please go stop by.
Do you have to make reservations? What do I need to tell everybody? No, you don't need to make reservations.

Speaker 2 Okay, so go to the winery, to the barn house. Yes.
I love that. Yeah.
How do you balance your marriage and also working and running businesses with your husband?

Speaker 3 Making time. Yeah.
You have to make time. Date nights are absolutely huge.
Right. Now that we have lots of things juggling right now, I mean, normally we would go on a date like once a week.
Okay.

Speaker 3 Now it's like once every two and a half, maybe three weeks, but we just

Speaker 3 make sure that it is just us phones down. And if we can have date night at home, we will too, like watching Ted Lasso or, you know, cooking

Speaker 3 together, taking a shower together, like just little things like that.

Speaker 2 They go a long way being intentional I feel yes, and also I don't know if you've experienced this at all, but I feel like sometimes when I I never get to see Elijah, but we always end up talking about the kids.

Speaker 2 Yes, do you ever have to like make sure that you don't talk about the kids?

Speaker 3 Well, we don't not not talk about the kids. We only give ourselves limited time to talk about the kids.
That's a great tip. So, right? Yeah.

Speaker 3 So just allow yourself like five minutes because it's natural. Yeah.
You love your kids. It's innate.
You know, you're like, oh, do you know what they did today or whatever, you know?

Speaker 3 But then you're like, all right, that's enough. Boom, put the phones down, like, and let's, let's, let's go.

Speaker 2 Yeah, no, I love that. Yeah.

Speaker 3 And I love, as you can see, I love to talk.

Speaker 3 I don't mind. I could talk for like three hours.
That's why I had a talk show for like

Speaker 2 a day. But

Speaker 2 Tamara. Yes.

Speaker 3 Okay. You said it first.

Speaker 3 The thing is, is one of the reasons why I fell in love with my husband is he is, I think he's a sapiosexual. It's, he's, he's, he's very, very intelligent.
He's a conversationalist.

Speaker 3 And I just, all I need is to just sit there, look into his hazel eyes and talk about what's going on in life. So that's why it's really, really important for me to grab his head.

Speaker 3 I mean, he's, he's a coach. He's a, he, he does all those, he does lots of things too,

Speaker 3 you know, owning the winery and all of that. But I like to have his attention.
And I like us to just talk about life. And then I get, I get, uh-huh, all over again.

Speaker 2 I love it. He's over.

Speaker 2 Do you ever do date nights in the winery or the barnhouse?

Speaker 2 No. But that's often.
Because that's still work.

Speaker 3 Okay. So I like to just take it.
Keep it separate. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Okay. I mean, I feel like that's fair because you'll end up brainstorming about what you could do next with the winner.

Speaker 3 And then I'll see something in the shop and I'll be like,

Speaker 3 you know, next time, can we just make sure I'll just naturally turn on my, you know, or put on my work hat?

Speaker 2 No, I get that. And I feel, you know, it would be too much if you guys, you wouldn't be able to keep it as separate.
Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah.
Okay.

Speaker 2 Well, so how do you not get burnt out just in general with all the things? Okay.

Speaker 3 I have learned that no is is a complete sentence. So

Speaker 3 allow yourself time

Speaker 3 and the faith. I say faith because you know work is good.
Money we need to pay our bills. But you gotta have the faith to sometimes say no.
You've got to have balance in your life.

Speaker 3 You've got to be, I've learned to be a good steward of your time. Because

Speaker 3 time technically is not on our side. No, it's not.
Life is very short. And the last thing you want to do is,

Speaker 3 the last thing you want to do is to look at yourself in the mirror and be like, dang, oh my gosh, I'm 72. Oh, Lord, life just flew.

Speaker 3 Life just flew by. Oh, my gosh.
No,

Speaker 3 I want to enjoy every

Speaker 3 aspect of my life. It is so precious.
I want to enjoy the details.

Speaker 3 And I know that if I'm

Speaker 3 all the time, I will not be able to do that. It's hard to stay present

Speaker 3 when you do that. So listen to your body.

Speaker 3 Your body will tell you. You'll start getting sick.
You'll start getting like irritable

Speaker 3 and you'll just be tired. That is when you're going to say,

Speaker 3 I need a break. Yeah.
I just need to stop.

Speaker 2 Have you ever turned down a role or something that would have been really important? Because you were like, I can't do this. I can't take on one more project.

Speaker 3 Yes. And you want to know, oh, you're so good.

Speaker 3 You asked really good questions.

Speaker 3 Thank you. Because no one has ever asked me that.
Yes, there was a role just recently. A young woman

Speaker 3 took it.

Speaker 3 And it was at Hallmark.

Speaker 3 And I was just tired. I was like,

Speaker 3 I can't, but I wanted the work, but I can't.

Speaker 3 But literally in my heart, I said, you can't have pride over this, Tamira.

Speaker 3 Maybe this role was her chance to make it or to

Speaker 3 kind of,

Speaker 3 it's her start on the, on the network.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 3 I saw the girl who took the role. And I'm happy for her.
It was for her. Yeah.
And I never want to take

Speaker 3 anything that is not truly for me or from for someone else because what's for me, me, will never pass me. Yeah.
And being

Speaker 3 the age and the person that I am right now, that statement is so very true. So it wasn't mine to have.

Speaker 3 And because

Speaker 3 I took that break, I was able to see my son play in All-Stars.

Speaker 3 and he's incredible, and he needed his mama.

Speaker 2 What's meant for you won't miss you. And your son needed you, that woman needed that role,

Speaker 2 and that's just the way it needed to be. I love that.

Speaker 3 So you just have to listen to yourself, and that's what I mean by have faith.

Speaker 2 But it's not always easy. I think both can be true.
It's like you can say no and listen to yourself, but also it doesn't mean that it's an easy decision.

Speaker 3 It wasn't. And believe me, Pride, I mean, it got great reviews.
Pride, you know, kind of was like, oh, that could have been. I was like, uh-uh, We're not, we're not listening to that.
No, no, no.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah.
No, I love that. And does she know that you turned on that role? No.

Speaker 2 Oh.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 she doesn't need to know, right? She doesn't.

Speaker 3 All I know is that she did a wonderful job.

Speaker 2 I love that because you could have been bitter, right? Like you could have held on to the resentment and you're not.

Speaker 3 No. What is that? It doesn't.

Speaker 2 It hurts us. Yeah, it hurts.
It would hurt you more than it would have hurt her. And I love that.
Exactly. Okay.
So

Speaker 2 that's really incredible. Yeah.
I hope you know how incredible that is. Not everyone's a girl's girl.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 Yeah, and I am, I understand that because I've been around those women, and I'm such a girl's girl.

Speaker 2 I'm like, hey, oh, oh,

Speaker 2 you're like, you're not a girl's girl. Okay, you're not.

Speaker 3 All right. I'll just go over here in the corner.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Can you talk about the experience being an identical twin and sort of finding your own path in this industry?

Speaker 3 Yes. So four years, I talk about this in my book.
I

Speaker 3 came out with a memoir. And

Speaker 3 for years, my sister and I lived together. I want to say it was six years.
And one of the hardest transitions of my life, being a twin, was that move.

Speaker 2 In or out?

Speaker 3 Out.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 3 Because, so moving out of my parents' house and moving in with her. Okay.

Speaker 3 Because when we were in our parents' house, twins, the sister-sister, did everything together.

Speaker 3 At 20, and we moved out pretty late because, I mean, I loved my life at my parents' house. You know, to do much,

Speaker 3 they actually found our house. They were like, hey, look, there's that house, you know.

Speaker 3 It's time to go. There you go.
That's our sign. And I was like, oh, dang.
Okay. I see.
I see how it is.

Speaker 3 So when we moved, I remember having lots of arguments.

Speaker 3 I remember being like, I remember asking Tia, like, who the hell are you?

Speaker 2 Who is this? Yeah.

Speaker 3 And then she'd be like, well, who are you?

Speaker 2 Just because you were so different?

Speaker 3 Because we were so different. We were evolving into these

Speaker 3 different human, human beings. Because, I mean, you're always growing, always learning.
But we were so used to being the same. So then she would force me to be like her.

Speaker 3 And then I would force her to be like me. Right.

Speaker 3 And that was horrible. It was just like constant, just, it was just bad.

Speaker 3 So then I remember us having this epiphany, this revelation, going, wait, we're different. You're the yin, yen to my yang.

Speaker 3 Like, we actually balance each other out when we tap into our authenticity and who we are made and called to be. So that when we are together,

Speaker 3 it'll be that much more powerful. Right.

Speaker 2 Because you

Speaker 3 will represent. people like you and I will represent, you know, people

Speaker 3 like me. Because the whole point of these these podcasts, talk shows,

Speaker 3 and I think just your generation in general, and even younger,

Speaker 3 they're tired of the BS.

Speaker 3 Authenticity and being a talk show host, I've learned this too, is what people want.

Speaker 3 And that's what I want.

Speaker 2 We want to see it stripped down. We want to see behind the scenes.
We want to see the inner workings of the people in front of us.

Speaker 3 That's how we learn. That's how we grow.

Speaker 3 So it was really important for us to tap into that, especially being in the same industry. You're going to get the roles that fit for you.
I'm going to get the roles that fit for me.

Speaker 3 I have my friends and,

Speaker 3 you know,

Speaker 3 well, I call my friends my family that fit me. You have your friends that you call family fit you.
And embrace that.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 3 There's nothing wrong in being different. There's nothing, my grandmother used to always say, dare to be different.

Speaker 3 Dare to be different. And love each other unconditionally in the the process.
That's what family is

Speaker 2 what family is.

Speaker 3 Yeah. That's what it should be.

Speaker 2 So yeah. So growing up, did you, were you guys always called the twins? Yes.
And did you hate that or love that? You hated it. I hated it.
Okay, so I should stop calling my twins the twins. Oh, yes.

Speaker 2 Okay. They're not one yet.
So I feel like I still have time. Okay.

Speaker 3 You're like, wait, they're not one yet.

Speaker 2 So I call them. It's kind of like when maybe you called your kids this when they were the baby.
Yeah. Oh, can you grab the baby? Yeah.

Speaker 2 But at some point, maybe around, I would say probably probably one or two is like where that gets cut off, at least in my family.

Speaker 3 No, I, it,

Speaker 3 let me, let me rephrase this

Speaker 3 because words are very important. It's not that I didn't like being called twins because being a twin is a blessing.
I didn't like when that's the only way people identified me.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 3 You know, that makes sense.

Speaker 2 I'm more than that. Right, absolutely.
I am me. Right.

Speaker 3 I am Tamara. You're Tamara.

Speaker 3 And Tia is.

Speaker 2 Tia.

Speaker 3 And when you're walking down the street, somebody, and I'm by myself, they're like, Hi, Tia and Tamara.

Speaker 2 And I'm like, well, what? Tia here?

Speaker 2 In the pocket?

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 3 Oh, no, Tia's not here. You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 Right, right.

Speaker 3 So we always wanted people to see us as individuals. So

Speaker 3 what you could do, you know, is be like, you, it's such a blessing, you guys are twins. This is a blessing for mommy, but really

Speaker 3 emphasize on the fact that they are individuals.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 3 I loved my twins, but I love that you are you. I love that you are you.
You know, separate

Speaker 3 it in a loving way and praise their individuality.

Speaker 2 Okay, that's a good tip for me.

Speaker 2 Then you got those girls. I just hope to stop.
I do call them the twins

Speaker 2 right now, but my hairstylist is also a twin, and she said that growing up she hated it. So I said, I have to ask Tamara how she felt about it if people did call me the twins.

Speaker 3 I would say around like 11, 12, because that's that's when you start developing reasoning and all that kind of stuff and

Speaker 3 start

Speaker 3 growing into yourself. Sure.
But if you want to say it earlier, cool.

Speaker 2 I'm going home and I'm not calling them the twins anymore. They're just Verse and Valley.

Speaker 2 But there's nothing.

Speaker 3 Like I said, I loved being a twin. Yeah.
There's some aspects that I love and there's some aspects that I didn't, but it wasn't the aspect that I didn't like about it was never because of my sister.

Speaker 2 Right, right, right.

Speaker 3 Outside perspective. Sure.
Twins.

Speaker 2 Right. And were you constantly compared?

Speaker 3 Yes, we hate that.

Speaker 3 Like when people come up to me or people come up to her and be like, oh my god, you're the pretty twin. That doesn't make us feel good.

Speaker 2 Why would someone say that to you? Oh, they say it. Or anybody.
Oh, they say it.

Speaker 3 They say it. That doesn't make me feel good.
Because one, what you're implying is that my sister isn't as like that, that's not, you're talking about my sister.

Speaker 3 That doesn't, that doesn't make me feel good. You know, like, I hate that.
If you or like, uh, Tamira has has always been my twin, or Tia's always been my twin. Okay, cool.

Speaker 3 That's the person that you relate to a little bit more, but don't tell me that.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that doesn't make anyone feel good.

Speaker 3 It doesn't, it doesn't

Speaker 2 like backhanded help.

Speaker 3 Backhanded, yeah. Okay, because I don't, I don't like that.
Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 Like, yeah,

Speaker 3 comparison is the thief of joy. Whether you are a twin or you're not, it's really not good to compare unless it's you're using it

Speaker 3 to

Speaker 3 help yourself. You're being inspired.
To be inspired.

Speaker 2 Okay, fair.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, I have definitely done both. I think there have been times where I compare myself, especially on social media, right?

Speaker 2 And so when I realize, okay, this is not like a healthy inspiration sort of comparison, I have to mute them. I don't follow them, but I mute them because I'm like, this is not good for me.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and it wasn't always that way, but I sort of wondered if it was maybe next level for siblings or twins, especially in the industry

Speaker 2 of entertainment and movies and things like that.

Speaker 3 That's why it's important to know who you are too as an individual, because, and then know too, like, what's for me will not pass me. Right.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 When you tap into who you truly are, right?

Speaker 3 What's for you,

Speaker 3 you're going to get. Just like there's, there's a lot of amazing

Speaker 3 black actresses out there. Like,

Speaker 3 what's for them is for them. When I tap into who I am and own that and be proud of that, there are roles that are going to, you know,

Speaker 3 fit me. I want the role for me.
I don't want the role for so-and-so. Yeah.

Speaker 2 No, I agree with that. I think that's in life too.
Maybe even just acting. Yeah, absolutely.
For the last couple minutes, I would like to do Rapid Fire if you're okay with that. I love Rapid Fire.

Speaker 2 What is your favorite wine flavor from your winery? Okay.

Speaker 3 I would have to say my favorite wine is the Napa Cab.

Speaker 2 Okay. So I definitely should try that.
Absolutely. Okay.

Speaker 3 Do you like red, though, or do you like white?

Speaker 2 I don't know. I'm not sure.
I'd have to do

Speaker 2 a flight.

Speaker 2 Okay. Coffee too, because I'm a big coffee drinker.
Okay.

Speaker 3 So, well, if you're a big coffee drinker, I think you'll like wine because coffee has a very

Speaker 2 required for sure.

Speaker 3 And wine is as well.

Speaker 2 Okay. I didn't know that.
Subjective.

Speaker 3 Yeah. It's very subjective.
But if you like

Speaker 3 really robust,

Speaker 3 like bold, fruity flavors, you're going to love a cab. Okay.
If you want to feel refreshed

Speaker 3 and have like just the sweet

Speaker 3 taste on the back of your tongue, you know,

Speaker 3 I would say a nice

Speaker 3 Chardonnay or Pinot Grigio. Our Chardonnay is not buttery.

Speaker 3 It's fruity.

Speaker 2 Okay, I like a fruity. Yeah.

Speaker 3 See, I can go on and on and on about that.

Speaker 2 But yeah. Favorite self-care activity?

Speaker 3 Sleep.

Speaker 2 Me too. That's a good one.

Speaker 2 That's

Speaker 2 self-care.

Speaker 2 Is it an activity? Yeah, I know.

Speaker 3 I freaking love it. I get excited.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I'm like, hold on.

Speaker 2 Go to bed.

Speaker 2 It's like when you rub your feet together. Have you seen that meme on social media where it's like, once I rub my feet together in this bed, it's over.
Yeah, no, that's us. Yeah.

Speaker 2 What's your guilty pleasure? Do you have a show? Do you have an activity that you do just for you?

Speaker 3 Guilty pleasure, I would say,

Speaker 3 I mean, I love to bake and then just eat all of it.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 3 Well, that's okay. Yeah, my peach cobbler.

Speaker 2 I love that. I love it.
You can only eat one food for the rest of your life. What is it? French fry, man.
Oh, we love a good French fry. And there's a variety, I feel.

Speaker 2 Like all different types of fries, right?

Speaker 3 There's truffle,

Speaker 3 wedges. Yeah, wedges, potato.

Speaker 2 Crinkle cut.

Speaker 3 Isn't there steak fry? What do they call it? The skinny ones. Yep.
Crinkle cut. Shoelace.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Whatever.
Yeah. Curly.
I love curly fry. A good curly fry.

Speaker 3 Oh, yeah. With the good, like, seasoning on it.
Yes. Oh, you don't even need the ketchup.

Speaker 2 No, you don't need any condiments.

Speaker 2 I do like ranch with my french fries, though. Girl, yes.
Not even just

Speaker 2 ketchup. I like, you know, ranch is great.
Yeah, no, it's so good. My kids don't like it, so I just get all of it.

Speaker 2 Favorite Hallmark movie?

Speaker 3 Ooh, favorite Hallmark movie.

Speaker 2 Either the one that you were just in, Scouting for Christmas, or another one.

Speaker 3 Oh, this is again, like my favorite one that I've done. I haven't seen the one that I just finished.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 3 Just shooting it was a blast. It's the Gethsemane Brown one: Murder in G Major.
That is my favorite Hallmark movie of mine, but my favorite Hallmark movie,

Speaker 3 a murder mystery series.

Speaker 2 So you're a true crime girly?

Speaker 3 Yes. I love Curious Katie.

Speaker 2 I actually have a prosecutor coming on the podcast.

Speaker 2 Yeah. I would love to see her.
Is it he or she? Is she? I would love to pick her brain. Oh, she'll be here.
She might be here, but right now.

Speaker 3 Oh, my gosh. She'll be here soon.

Speaker 2 So much. She was a former Brooklyn prosecutor.

Speaker 3 Yes. I wanted to be a prosecutor.

Speaker 2 Stop. Yeah.
Would Would you have gone to law school? I tried.

Speaker 3 Well, yeah, I would have. I would have.
I started my undergraduate career thinking that I was going to be a lawyer.

Speaker 2 Well, your undergrad can be in anything.

Speaker 3 I know, but I wanted to do a little bit of poli-sci, and I was like, this is not a case.

Speaker 2 It's a lot. It's a lot.
I mean, you could, I think, apprentice. What do they call it when you learn under? Kim Kardashian did it, I think.

Speaker 3 Yes.

Speaker 2 I don't know what it's called, but you can like basically study under a practicing attorney. That's always an option.

Speaker 3 The only thing is, is I feel like you have to study both sides. To be a great prosecutor, you have to really know and experience a defense,

Speaker 3 you know, being a defense lawyer. I don't know if I could defend, I could help someone who I know killed something, you know, like did something bad.

Speaker 3 I don't know if I could, my moral compass would be like, I can't do it.

Speaker 2 That's always happened. He did it.

Speaker 3 He did it, everybody.

Speaker 3 I know he did it.

Speaker 2 I'd be like Rob Kardashian was like, I'm out. Once he realized that, oh, James.

Speaker 3 I could. So that's why I was like, no, I get get it.

Speaker 2 Yeah. But it's a girl can dream.
Yeah. That would be nice.

Speaker 3 I could play one.

Speaker 2 You could play best of both worlds. Yeah.
You get the experience of playing one, but you don't have to go to law school. That is your next.

Speaker 3 Yep. Okay.
That's what it's like.

Speaker 2 If you need just like a, what is it called? Like a walk-on or what is it called?

Speaker 2 Yeah. Just mean to walk by or anything.

Speaker 3 I want to be a lawyer in a movie, a show.

Speaker 2 I'm your girl. Okay.

Speaker 3 I got you.

Speaker 2 We're just out here creating roles. Thank you so much for coming on the Baby Famous podcast.
Where can people find you? Where can people find your Hallmark movie, obviously? Okay.

Speaker 2 And all of the things.

Speaker 3 Hallmark, Scouting for Christmas. We kick off the countdown to Christmas.
I'm the first Sunday film. It's a big deal.
Oh, my gosh.

Speaker 3 It's Sunday, 8 p.m. 7 Central on the Hallmark channel.
My socials are at Tamaramori 2. We don't have enough time for me to explain why it's Tamaramori TWO.

Speaker 3 Maybe next time. Okay.
It involved a drunk night.

Speaker 2 Oh, wow.

Speaker 3 Tamira at Tamira Mori2, Twitter, Instagram, and then Facebook, Tamara Mori.

Speaker 2 And you

Speaker 2 also have a website, Tamiramori. Is it yes, Tamaramori.com? Yes, because I saw a ton of good stuff on there.
You can shop your house. I loved it.
I loved it. It was so good.

Speaker 3 Thank you so much. This was fun.

Speaker 2 Thank you for coming. Of course.

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