Love and Connection with Tamera Mowry-Housley

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Welcome to the shit show. Things are going to get weird.
It's your fave villain,

Kale Lowry. And you're listening to Barely Famous.
Thank you so much, Tamara, for coming on Barely Famous podcast. Of course.
I have to tell you that before we started recording, you were telling me about your lineage. Yes.
And what's so funny is before we got on set, I had told my friends i said um i growing up i i thought that because our last names were one letter off that we were related really that was the only like reasoning that i was like are we oh no we're probably not hey you never know have you done your dna uh testing i did ancestry and i did 23 and me you did yeah okay and no one like famous came up or anything no no no i don't it's very um unremarkable oh so yeah i mean yours was very remarkable and that would maybe explain why we were both in the positions we're in you know okay but i will tell you this sometimes you just need a little bit, um, well, more extra help because I started doing it, um, first after seeing the show, it was called Finding My Roots. Okay.
And, uh, I was interested. I was like, oh my gosh, this looks amazing.
I want to try. I had my publicist call the show and they said, well, you can do the swab.
We're, we just want to let you know if nothing amazing happens, we just, I'm sorry. You know? Like, that's it.
Yeah, that's it. I was like, okay.
So, you know, I did the whatever, did the thing and sent it off. Didn't hear from them for seven years.
Seven years? Seven. I thought you were going to say seven months.
Seven years. And what happened was, because I remember doing some of it on Ancestry.com a wall i hit a wall couldn't get past roger mori okay and that's why i was telling you about the roger mori statue right and how he was involved you know east coast all the colonizations all of that um but what they told me was it was i guess some person the lineage opened it up.
And so, but they were, they were looking for seven years and finally they had a breakthrough and that's when I found out. So you never know.
But why couldn't they like give you the update on it during the seven year process? They said it just recently happened. So the moment they found out, um, I think it was literally, they just, they just never gave up, gave up up gave up i guess i don't know but they couldn't have told you that like hey we're working on it nothing wish you know because i wish did you just get a call from out of the blue uh yeah but this is what i learned about it you know i'm sure you've heard of this phrase when something you got to let it go and when something is for you it'll come back so that's what I did i was just like you know all right i guess i'm not really that special um and then it came back were your siblings as invested in this as you were or this was kind of like no it was just me i've always been interested that's so interesting yeah so i knew my family was from my dad's side i'm biracial my dad is white my white.
My mom's black. My dad's side is from England.
My mom's side is from the Bahamas. I've always known that.
Okay. I just didn't know the details.
Right. Right.
But then you got them seven years later. Yeah.
I'm a daughter of the revolution, not once, but twice. Wow.
Yeah. And did your siblings also share your excitement about that or no?

I think my brothers, they were, that's a very good question.

My brothers were like, cool.

Thanksgiving will never be the same.

This is kind of like really cool.

Yeah.

As I mentioned, people watching.

My Gregory grandfather, he's the guy, if you look up First Thanksgiving in America,

he's the elder praying and it was his idea to bring the pilgrims and the native americans together and give thanks because if it weren't for the native americans it would have i mean people were dying off they didn't understand the land and he thought it was important to just come together and say thank you show gratitude right i do go down rabbit holes on my ancestry where i'll like work on it for a little while I hyper fixating I do go down rabbit holes on my Ancestry where I'll like work on it for a little while. Yeah.
Hyper fixating. Yeah.
I go down rabbit holes all the time. So.
I get it. Yeah.
Trust me. I do.
So I can't believe we're at the holidays already. Right? It's exciting, but also scary because in my mind, well, in my body, I'm like, it was just 2024, like New Year's.
Like, and now it's. About to's about to be 2025 and you just filmed a new hallmark movie yeah can we talk about it absolutely scouting for christmas scouting for christmas how was that filming it you know it was i always get just geeked out when i do these films because i genuinely love christmas and i've done other films sure i'm in on murder mystery on Hallmark.
And I have so much fun doing those. I do them in Ireland.
Don't get me wrong. Yes, it's so much fun.
That's really cool. We can talk about that if you want to too later.
But the thing about Hallmark Christmas movies is that they truly are magical. Even when you're shooting them.
Because we all know what's going to you know it's the same formula over and over and over again but it's just something about the set the actors and it's the way they do it they never tell me when I accept the offer who my leading co-star is going to be okay and you know it's's a thing over there because they like to use the same actors.

You're like, ooh, who am I going to get this time?

And in a way, you know, they think,

okay, I like Tamera's personality like this.

We think that, you know, she'll be like this in the film.

Let's see who can join her in that. So it's always intriguing as an actor

to see who you're going to play with.

Right.

That's the way I see acting.

It's, it's always intriguing as an actor to see who you're going to play with. Right.
That's the way I see acting. It's it's it's it's a lot of fun.
It's a dance. And it's exciting.
You get nervous, get a little anxious because you don't know who you're going to dance with. Right.
And there has to be some level of chemistry. Right.
Absolutely. You never know.
And know and yeah i mean there's only been i think there's only one time where i had to really fight for the for the chemistry um but we had other chemistry not romantic right but carlo it was so easy yeah i was just like oh oh you're like am i even acting this is a great time no it's because he's he he made it so easy he's such a great actor and he's a calming actor because um i am very empathetic and so i can sense people's energy yeah just around them yeah one of the the things that i call it a gift now when i was younger i like, what is this curse? I can sense all this energy. I can sense when people are scared, sad.
You know, it's just an energy that some people have. And I have that.
And he was just calming. He was just like, so I felt safe.
And again, as an actor, when you have someone who knows their stuff, who's already done their homework, who shows up, it makes it a lot easier. Did he know that you were a lead in this movie before? I never asked him that.
Maybe I'll have to interview him. Yeah, maybe.
Yeah. But he's he's he's very well known in the Hallmark world.
And he's just, this movie is about baking. And he's just scrumptious.
Yeah. He's just.
He's very handsome. I don't know what it is about the Hallmark actors, but they make me feel very insecure about my chin.
You shouldn't. You should not.
You're stunning. You looked great in the movie.
Well, thank you. Yes.
Thank you. But they're so chiseled.
I'm like, whoa. That just means you're really happy.
You're, you know, making expressions. I guess.
I guess. But it was a lot, a lot of fun.
And I feel like there's lots of layers to it. And it's something that I've never done on television where I play a divorcee who, you know, I met my ex-husband when he was a widow.
So I actually, I get full custody of our daughter, but it was his daughter first. So that's why we look different.
But yeah, I love that because i it's a modern family well i was going to say that i was going to bring up representation not just you know the biracial children but also just in general for divorcee single parent that whole i love that thank you yeah no i really i have also have biracial children so it's very important to me that they you know see representation and so i think that's incredible that you put together this movie Well, thank you. Yeah.
No, I have also have biracial children. So it's very important to me that they, you know, see representation.

And so I think that's incredible that you put together this movie.

Well, thank you.

It was a risk because I've never done anything, you know, like that before where, I mean,

she's Caucasian.

Right.

Daughter, like in the film.

And I was like, oh, Lord, how is this going to be perceived?

Yeah.

But nowadays, it's so beautiful. I asked my mom.

She said, like in the film. And I was like, oh, Lord, how is this going to be perceived? Yeah.

But nowadays, it's so beautiful.

I asked my mom.

She is a friend who adopted, who's black, who adopted a Caucasian girl.

And we see it the other way around all the time.

Sure.

You know, Caucasian families adopting, you know, black children.

But I've never seen it like the opposite like that.

Right.

And so it was important to have representation.

but at the same time i didn't want the film to be about that right i wanted the film to be about their connection their unconditional love for each other and a mother and daughter relationship can look be i mean it can be so many different ways now you know I mean that's what I loved about it I loved it and you had a role you had several roles off camera as well yes so how was that well um I love to produce I love um I love all of it I love um the writing aspect of it. There were things that initially I was like, can we change this or can we change that? Being in the industry for so long, I never realized that I developed that muscle.
It kind of just happens naturally. So when you're presented with a situation where you have to pivot, you've got it.

You've got the tools.

Right.

So I love it eventually.

And I think you're the first person I'm telling this.

Where's my water?

This is the tea.

This is the tea.

This is the tea.

That's your new podcast name.

Maybe.

Yeah. Hey.

My name is Tamara.

Starts with a T.

I love working with children okay um some people don't i found by playing a mother on multiple of these films that it comes natural to me okay that i'm always the mediator between the director and the child okay so i can what the director wants. And because I just know how to talk to children.
Sure. And I know that we don't have many hours as you would have with an adult on a set.
They only can work for a certain amount of time. And I know that they need to get it done.
I'm like, hey, pretend you're with your friend. Okay.
You haven't seen her in a really long time and just be like hi they just get it right so eventually I would love to direct okay uh children that would be incredible right they need someone like you who gets it and can talk to them on their level and and I think that would be really cool I wouldn't if if my kids were to go into acting that's what I would want for them. You want them to feel safe.
Yeah. You know, you want them to have fun.
And that's literally what I do. And the first thing I do when I meet my, the kids that are going to play my children, I say, Hey, I get on their level and I tell them, listen, we're going to have fun.
That's all I want you to do. I want you to have fun.
and you can just see their little shoulders kind of just and then their smile you know it's bright and yeah and audrey i thought she did a great job in this film and she's so sweet at the end she was like can we stay in touch here's my instagram i want us to dm each other oh we've been dming each other i dm all i said i'm still friends with all the kids that um i have played their mom you know i love that yeah well it definitely came across on screen when i was watching it it was like actually this is incredible even the scene i think it was maybe 20 minutes ish in um where you sit on her bed and you just have that little scene i was like wow that's actually it comes across really well like you both played it really well thank you yeah do you also like advocate for what snacks they want on set um well they usually have their mom there okay uh so i try not to get involved there uh but for the most part all the kids moms have been fantastic so i've never had to intervene oh okay but i would you're like hold on just want string cheese yes what were your favorite parts about filming this movie specifically favorite parts i mean the guy who plays dakota he is the really tall one yeah yeah he my ex uh he was just so funny because he's a new actor um and i don't know he we just had fun i don't know if i can choose one particular moment um because everyone just i thought the actors were just so great and it was just what is effortless yeah so when a film feels effortless the whole thing is it's it's it's magical it was fun we just show up he would do his thing she would do her you know thing and i would do mine and yeah seamless seems like a good place to like a good setting to be working in yes because i've had i've had movie sets where it wasn't that way where i felt like i had to work so hard and this one i i didn't it was like if there was a word it was just i felt like it was a breeze okay yeah i mean that's that's a good adjective to use i feel i mean like i said it comes across on screen so i think you guys all good job. Thank you.
Do your kids in real life think it's cool that you're on TV?

They think it's amazing.

OK.

As they should.

Because, yes, because their friends think I'm cool.

Yeah.

I think that's the only reason why, though.

You're like, you're not actually cool, but the friends say you're cool.

So you're cool, I guess.

Yeah.

OK.

I'll never forget when my kids realized that I was famous and it was in, um, Aiden was in third grade. Um, and Araya was in first and, uh, my son's now in six.
I came to school and they were like, mom, my friends know who you are. They love your show.
Sister, sister. They've never even watched it.
I love's when uh you know during the pandemic sister sister was on netflix and i guess all the kids were watching it and then literally when i drive up they're like hi like all the kids they come to my car and they're like can we have play dates at your house i'm like oh my gosh you guys you guys you guys you're like i'm actually never doing pickup i did that once i had seven seven kids um so nine kids total in my gosh. You guys, you guys, you guys.
You're like, I'm actually never doing pick up again. I did that once.
I had seven, seven kids.

So nine kids total in my house.

Oh, wow.

Never again.

You're like, we're not doing this.

Nope. Now I break it.

I break it up.

But it's always a party at Tamara's house.

Yeah.

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That's audible.com slash Wondery. the only thing is my my daughter has two issues with me acting when other kids are my kids okay in the in the movie she's like who is that is she playing your daughter oh but i'm your daughter can she ever play your daughter so that's what she said she said mom can i play your daughter yeah in the next film and i'm like well i want you to slowly you know sure move into it um because she's never acted and i don't want her to show up and but she she has the gene though she i see it she and she has the it factor like it's like wow but she hates when I kiss other men oh I mean rightfully so I get it yes I mean she'll get it when she's right so will you will you guys watch or have you already watched the the whole Hallmark film at home as a family no so I'm one of those actors that have a very hard time watching myself okay uh so it's pretty weird and crazy yeah um but i kind of i am only allowed to watch it three times because after the third time my brain goes into like criticizing mode i'm like why is your hair doing that why does your nose look like that why did you say it like that like and i'm not alone there lots of actors who do this um so i'll watch it slowly like when my eyes closed a little bit then i'll be like oh okay that wasn't that bad and then have a glass of wine and then i'll because i had to once i started producing okay you had to watch it because you have to know watch yep you have to know the cuts and all that but it was that was hard yeah it.
Yeah. It was very hard.
I would imagine. And how about your husband?

Does he ever have interest in watching them?

Yes.

Oh, he does.

Yes.

And he's very, he gives me wonderful feedback.

Oh, does he like not mean?

It's like constructive.

Yeah.

I love that.

Very constructive.

He's my number one fan.

He'll be like.

As he should be.

Amazing Tamara, better than the first.

Or he'll be like, you know, the chemistry, maybe it wasn't, who was it? You know. Yeah.
Yeah. But my goal is, is, you know, he watches Ted Lasso.
Okay. And Yellowstone.
Oh, yeah. He's like, man, this is an amazing show.
And he keeps saying it over and over and over. I'm like, you don't talk like that when you watch my movies.
So my goal is for him to just be like, man, not talk about me, but talk about the show as a whole and be like, man, this is a good show. I really love this show.
I can't wait for that. I mean, it's coming 2025, 2024, 2025.
Yeah, 100%. Oh, I love that.
Put it out there. So for the logistics of filming, when you say that you have to watch cuts and stuff like that, I mean, I only edit TikTokok so i'm not anywhere near on your level but do you have to ever refilm entire scenes there are times yes you do thank god on hallmark i only had to do it once okay so what is that like for continuity things right like in mean girls i can pick out some things where i was like wait that's actually they show the camera and then what about Game of Thrones you remember the Starbucks cup oh I never saw that oh yeah oh yeah was it a whole thing on TikTok um I don't think it was on TikTok I think it was just people you know because the final yeah the final episode was huge and they pointed it out it was the Starbucks cup in Game of Thrones starbucks that's like a whole nother yeah oh my gosh oh my gosh nobody got that um but this is the thing this is what i've learned nothing is going to be perfect right you know what i mean there's going to be my hair is going to be different i did a whole film well girl friendship i changed my nail color no one saw that i used to do it on purpose for reality

so people can see well because i would get so upset at you know i was pigeonholed a little bit

so i was like no i want to show that this is actually not how it played out oh i see so when

you did yeah so they would be like i need you to put this outfit on and i'd be like okay but my

hair would be different and i would do it on purpose but that was during my rebellious era

so we won't talk about that as you know this is about you Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha i wish i could act i feel like that would be really cool but so do your kids express does your son my daughter your daughter my son no my son my husband was a professional baseball player so my son is falling into the athlete uh category right now he wants nothing to do with acting although he has the face sure he has a face for modeling has a face for acting but he's like nope don't want to do this my daughter the girl i do TikToks, reels of her. I'm doing the scenes with her and I'm like, oh.
You're like, let me take you to the Hallmark set with me. Yeah, like amazing.
She has it naturally. Do you think Hallmark would be a good place to start for her or for anyone that's trying to get into the acting world? Yes.
Okay, so maybe that's my sign? Yes. no i i really do i really do think so um and i think i'm gonna um i i'm gonna try and put her in in one of my next films i just want the right role sure and as her mom and you'll be essentially her boss too you want it to be the right fit and i get that well i love that um i know that 90s kids are freaking out right now because everyone I grew up with we loved watching sister sister um there's a ton of stuff actually out there right now I know Demi Lovato just came out with a documentary about child stars how do you feel about that you know knowing everything that you know from being a child doctor i i mean it's it's just it's disheartening it's it's sad um and i studied

psychology and my emphasis was on abnormal childhood development. So, and I worked actually at a place called Holly Grove.
I worked with kids who were neglected and abused. I worked with boys from nine.
Oh Lord, I think I forgot. It was either 9 to 12 or 9 to 14.
And it's just sad that that kind of stuff is happening. Fortunately for me and my sister, we had an amazing support team.
Like we were very well taken care of. Sure.
Because my mom would not have it any other way i mean she fought for us to be normal we you didn't see us going out to any of the after parties or you know doing anything like that we were very sheltered now because of that as i got older older, I was like, oh, hello, world. Wow.
I thought everyone was like, thought like me, you know, because we were very, very sheltered. Sure.
But I'm grateful we had that protection and also the support to kind of just, you know, grow and get through the weeds. But faith, faith played a very big part in my life and in my mom's life.
And that I think is what helped us stay afloat and protected from all the chaos that that was happening. I'm just happy that people are talking about it now.
Sure. So that this can't happen ever again.
Right. And we don't want to discredit anything that some of these actors and people have gone through.
But I think it's – would it be fair to say, would you say that not every single child actor experienced something like those things? Oh, yeah. And I think that's – and you can say that in every aspect of life.
life but the fact of the matter is, even if it did happen to one person, we need to talk about it. And we need to change that from happening.
But yeah, not every child actor went through that. I didn't.
And I'm grateful that I didn't. Yeah.
No, I get that. I think now I'm seeing a lot of stuff about like influencing and things like that.
And just because it's, you know, times are different now. And so there's always this fine line because I have seven kids, right? Like, how much do I put them online? Do I not put them online? Do I give them a choice, which I do? Like, I mean, even my four year old, I'm like, can I post this? Yeah, you know what I mean? Just so that they have a voice and they know that they can trust me with that.
And I just want to do all the things I can as a mom to protect them and being on both sides I feel like of of the industry you know you kind of have a better idea of what that looks like for child actors thank god like I said too that I have a mom that she that was her number one thing she didn't care how bad she looked like if they went past a certain hour and they really needed to get that shot. She was like, no, you'll get it when you can get it.
Exactly. And I love that.
Yeah. She was our strong woman.
Yeah. Yes.
Had to be. Yeah.
What was your favorite role growing up or even now? What was your favorite role to play? I would say my favorite role. I have three.
And what's interesting is when you're shooting a film,

you kind of have an inkling that, ooh, this is special.

Okay.

This is going to be like one that goes down in the books.

So first, obviously, Tamera Campbell.

I mean, sister, sister.

It's epic.

It's classic.

She was so much fun because I was playing actually, I'm, I'm actually an extroverted introvert. An extroverted.
And I, maybe I, am I one of those? That's me too. Yeah.
Yeah. So I'm not like an introvert, introvert.
Like I'm extroverted. Like we're talking, we're having a great time.
Yeah. But how I need to re-energize, I have to be by myself.
Okay. Like go in my room, woosah, close the door and just like chillax.
Like you value your alone time. Yes.
Yes. Yes.
Where my husband is an extrovert, extrovert. I'm like, babe, I need seven to ten business days.
Yes. Please give me a break.
Yep. The funny thing about Tamera Campbell is opposite of who I, who I am.
Okay. Yeah.
I'm crazy. Yeah.
But at a party a party i'm like get me the heck out of here i was the girl in the corner going why are you drinking do you realize how crazy we're okay all right and then i'll be like oh my goodness uh he's cute girl all right get it girl but i don't do that i'm just gonna sit in a chair i'm so tired i want to go home and watch a movie so that was lee those the the personalities that you and tia played on sister sister opposite wow are you kidding yeah no wow i wonder if it was the same experience for mary kate and ashley maybe i don't know wow that's so interesting yeah and tia are they're they're not identical we're identical tia and i oh they're not identical have you met them yes wow my sister and i actually my brother was teddy on full house oh i knew that actually i didn't even think to see them all the time and yeah they're not identical no wow i just had twins myself i i have fraternal twins yeah yeah but they're boy girl so yeah and they look nothing alike so they don't even look like twins truly but anyway so sister sister was Yeah, a they're boy-girls. And they look nothing alike.
They don't even look like twins, truly. But anyway, so Sister Sister was one.
Sister Sister. Then I would have to say Cameron, Twitches.
Twitches. Twitches is classic.
I can't believe people still watch those. Should we do a reboot? I want to.
That would be incredible. So there are people that don't want to so i don't know i don't know i don't i just want to make sure that the people who are involved all are there and because then it'll be weird you gotta have everybody you gotta have the full cast or nothing at all i would i would love to um i had so much fun playing that character and it would be so dope to have the full cast or nothing at all.
I would love to.

I had so much fun playing that character,

and it would be so dope to see Cameron and Alex as adults and now have these kids, you know,

maybe who have the magical power.

The other one is actually the Murdering G Major.

It is the Hallmark Movie and Mysteries series. So they have a series of movies.
I've done one. I play Gethsemane Brown and she is a music teacher in Ireland.
But she's an American in Ireland. She's the only woman of color in the film.
And she wears this bright, like these bright coats. My hair hair is uh naturally curly the wind rain is always blowing at me um but i help solve murders and a ghost helps me no that's so fun it it it is so much fun and so i have to bring you back yeah i enjoy playing gets in me i love that uh so do you ever get upset if someone recognizes you from sister

sister yes but doesn't know of your other accomplishments and your accolades do you ever get upset by that no no sister sister made me who i like yeah when people sing the theme song yeah sister i'm like hey never knew how much i missed that show you can sing too uh that show actually helped pay my college bills it helped me be you know where i am today sure so yeah that's okay if they don't know all of your accomplishments outside of that that's fine yeah yeah because the coolest thing about sister sister is we had people from two years old to 92 years old watch that show. So there's so, and so many cultures.
I can go to Paris. They're like, And I'm like, luckily I took French.
And I was like, oh, you want my autograph? Sure. I went to Venice italy two years ago and uh she was she said netflix netflix and i was like i was like sister said and i was like yes hello you know yeah so there's so many people who have watched that show different walks of life maybe my hallmark movies aren't their cup of tea maybe a talk show

isn't their cup of tea sure but the fact that sister sister i will tell you this everybody

watched that show everyone did everyone did i just don't know if asia has the show well they

should yeah i haven't yeah we gotta call your pr yeah let's get that yeah but you gotta get

residuals as well like India, like everywhere. Yeah, no, I love that.
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Question.

So when you and Tia were filming Sister Sister, was Taj filming Smart Guy? Smart Guy. Yes.
Is that why you, neither one of you were casted as his sister? Yes. Because I was my assistant and best friend.
She had never seen Smart Guy. And I was like singing.
Yes, in seconds, right? Obsessed with Smart Guy. So good.
And I was like, I wonder why they didn't cast Tia or Tamara as. I know.
I would gladly.

Have done it.

Yes.

But it was two shows at once was probably not doable.

Yeah, no.

Okay.

Yeah, we started and then he was on.

So we were on for six years.

So he started when we were year three.

And he's been on our show.

Taj has been on our show.

But also Taj is, that boy was booked and like busy and booked,

booked and busy like all the time. Yeah.
And then he got his own show own show and t and i were still and then our shows ended at the same time so what was the reason um i think they just wanted to move on ratings were solid it's just you know sometimes shows just run their course and i felt bad for taj because well i should i mean the boy is still booked and busy um but at that moment I was like

oh because sister sister's ending is smart guy ending sure I always thought that because he would air at 8 we would air at 8 30 so it was the Maury block what was that like as a family amazing we were living the freaking dream wow yeah and then you have another brother right yes Tavor so Tavor is a musician.

Okay.

He lives in Nashville.

He's married.

He has a son.

Try, try.

His name is

Trish. And then you have another brother, right? Yes, Tavor.
So Tavor is a musician. Tavor lives in Nashville.
He's married. He has a son, Tri-Tri.
His name is Triumph. Zandy is fantastic.
They're just a musical family. Okay.
Like my one-year-old nephew plays the drums. Wow.
My brother, Tavor, taught himself how to play the guitar. And my sister-in-law is a lead guitarist in her group called it Respects.
That's really cool. So yeah, they're just a musical family.
And if you play an instrument, I learned how to play the violin because my character gets him and he Brown plays a violin. You, you, I mean, it's hard.
Yeah. Oh yeah.
It's an intelligence. Did he ever feel left out because three of his siblings were in the acting world and he was more in the musical world?

No.

I think he wanted to do something different because of that.

He was like, y'all are doing that.

That's not for me.

He tried it.

And he was like, this isn't for me.

Let me do something different.

And if anything, he's like, I want to do this for me. I don't want people – you you know it's kind of like when you have celebrities who have children that go into the same you know field you don't want them to be chosen just because you know you're their mom or their dad right want them to be chosen because they're talented that's my brother tavers mindset okay yeah i mean that's fair I mean all of that but I think

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Okay, perfect. So you and your husband also own a winery.
I know, girl. What don't you do? Okay, this is crazy because what I've learned about me and my team, I have these dreams and these goals.

And I literally write them down. I like pray about it.
I meditate on it. And I tell my team.
Yeah. And then years later, a year or two later, I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm doing it.
And then I'm like, oh my gosh, I don't have um i i've i've i was the one that literally waited to 21 to drink wine i was one of the same also all right but we're here okay didn't you say that in an episode of sister sister once we're here oh yeah oh always okay i knew it okay um but i absolutely i loved it i loved you compare wine, you know, with food and get like a completely different taste. I met my husband and his family owned a winery and I was like, this is dreamy.
Yes. This is fun.
Yeah. Um, but now my father-in-law, he's, uh, 79 and he's like, I don't want to do this anymore.
I don't want to do this. Will don't want to do this will you and Adam take it over and my husband looked at me and he was like is this something that you want to do we'd have to move to Napa we have to move to wine country and I was like you're like of course yeah I'll do it um and it's awesome so yes I now own a winery.
That's incredible. I work in our tasting room.

Shut up.

Yeah.

I'm not there every day, my husband is, because I'm busy doing the other things. But we have seven, at least seven varietals.
I mean, Prosecco, Pinot Grigio, Chardonnay, Napa Cab, the state cab where the grapes come from Lodi. We have sister wine, which is a rosé specifically marketed towards women.
Because I noticed working in the tasting room, we have tons of women come in on their girl trips or have their bridal, you know, parties. And we just wanted a wine to represent that.
It's pink. It's luscious.
Girly. girly it is yummy i love it we also have a coffee shop i was going to ask you about that i wasn't sure so i when i was researching i i wasn't sure if you guys owned it or is it called barn barn house okay the reason why it's called barn house is because you think of the country you have a barn house right but our partner is barns eric barns who was my husband's photographer my husband worked for um uh well he was a journalism journalist and then housley my last name house so it's barn house i love that yeah no that's really creative it's actually a coffee house like slash pub so in the morning it's a coffee house and at night it into a pub.
Because my husband and I love to travel the world. And we love how in England, they have these pubs.
So you can have pastries in the morning, coffee. And then as the day goes on, eventually, you're going to have French fries.
Yes, we are. We have sausage rolls, beer, wine.
We have coffee flights. So it sounds like I should plan a team building activity or a team building trip to Napa Valley.
100%. So that we can go to Barnhouse and then also go to the winery.
Yes, I will take care of you too. So just let me know.
Don't talk to me with a good time because we have to do these team building activities. No, I'm telling you, we you, we have people when I say that and they come, just let my team know that you're coming and I, we will take care of you.
We take pride in doing that. That's awesome.
Yeah, that is. I love that.
Well, if you guys are in Napa Valley, please go stop by bar. Do you have to make reservations? What do I need to tell everyone? No, you don't need to make reservations.
Okay. So go to the winery, to the barn the barn house yes I love that yeah how do you balance your marriage and also working and running businesses with your husband making time yeah you have to make time date nights are absolutely huge right now that we have lots of things juggling right now I mean normally we would go on a date like once a week okay now it's like once every two and a half, maybe three weeks.
But we just, we make sure that it is just us phones down. And if we could have date night at home, we will too.
Like watching Ted Lasso or, you know, cooking together. Yeah.
Taking a shower together. Like just little things like that.
They go a long way. Being intentional, I feel.
Yes. And also, I don't know if you've experienced this at all, but I feel like sometimes when I, I never get to see Elijah, but, um, we always end up talking about the kids.
Yes. Do you ever have to like, make sure that you don't talk about the kids? Well, we don't not, not talk about the kids.
We only give ourselves a limited time to talk about the kids. That's a great tip.
Right? Yeah. So just allow yourself like five minutes because it's natural yeah you love your kids it's innate you know you're like oh do you know what they did today or whatever you know but then you're like all right that's enough boom put the phones down like and let's let's let's go yeah no i love that yeah and i love as you can see i love to talk um i don't mind i could talk for like three hours that's why i had a talk show for like get a podcast hey the team with tamara yes okay you said it first um the thing is is one of the reasons why i fell in love with my husband is he is i think he's a sapiosexual it's he's he's he's very very intelligent he's a conversationalist and i just all i need is to just sit there, look into his hazel eyes and talk about what's going on in life.
So that's why it's really, really important for me to grab his head. I mean, he's, he's a coach.
He's a, he, he does all those, he does lots of things too, you know, owning the winery and all of that. But I like to have his attention and I like us to just talk about life and then i get i get all over again i love it do you ever do um date nights in the winery or the barn house uh no that's all because that's still work okay so i like to just take it separate yeah okay i mean i feel like that's fair because you'll end up brainstorming about what you could do next yeah but then i Yeah, but then I'll see something in the shop and I'll be like,

you know, next time can we just make sure,

I'll just naturally turn on my, you know, or put on my work hat.

No, I get that.

And I feel, you know, it would be too much if you guys,

you wouldn't be able to keep it as separate.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Okay.

Well, so how do you not get burnt out just in general with all the things?

Okay.

I have learned that no is a complete sentence. So allow yourself time and the faith.
I say faith because, you know, work is good. Money we need to pay our bills.
But you've got to have the faith to sometimes say no. You've got to have balance in your life.
You've you've gotta be i've learned to be a good steward of your time because time technically is not on our side no it's not life is very short and the last thing you want to do is the last thing you want to do is to look at yourself in the mirror and be like dang oh my gosh i'm 72 oh lord life just flew life just flew by oh my gosh no i want to enjoy every aspect of my life it is so precious i want to enjoy the details i want and i know that if i'm all the time i will not be able to do that. It's hard to stay present when you do that.

So listen to your body.

Your body will tell you.

You'll start getting sick.

You'll start getting like irritable.

And you'll just be tired.

That is when you've got to say, I need a break.

Yeah.

I just need to stop. Have you ever turned down a role or something that would have been really important because you were like, I can't do this.
I can't take on one more project. Yes.
And you want to know, oh, you're so good. You asked, you asked really good questions.
Thank you. Because no one has ever asked me that.
Yes. There was a role just recently, a young woman.
She took it. And it was at Hallmark.
And I was just tired. I was like, I can't, but I wanted the work, but I can't.

But literally in my heart, I said, you can't have pride over this, Tamera.

Maybe this role was her chance to make it or to kind of, it's her start on the network.

And I saw the girl who took the role and I'm happy for her. Kind of, it's her start on the network.
Yeah.

And I saw the girl who took the role and I'm happy for her. It was for her.
Yeah. And I never want to take anything that is not truly for me or for someone else.
Because what's for me, me, will never pass me. And being the age and the person that I am right now, that statement is so very true.
So it wasn't mine to have. And because I took that break, I was able to see my son play in all-stars and he's incredible.

He needed his mama.

What's meant for you won't miss you.

And your son needed you.

That woman needed that role.

And that's just the way it needed to be.

I love that.

So you just have to listen to yourself.

And that's what I mean by have faith.

But it's not always easy.

I think both can be true. It's like you can say no and listen to yourself, but also it doesn't mean that it's an easy decision it wasn't and believe me pride i mean it got great reviews pride you know kind of like oh that could have been i was like oh we're not we're not listening to that no no no yeah yeah no i love that and does she know that you turned down that role oh but she she didn't she doesn't need to know right she doesn All, all I know is that she did a wonderful job.
I love that. Cause you could have been bitter, right? Like you could have held onto the resentment and you, you're not.
No. What is that? It doesn't hurt.
It hurts us. It hurts.
It would hurt you more than it would have hurt her. And I love that.
Okay. So that's really, that's really incredible.
I hope you know how incredible that is. Not everyone's a girl's girl.
You know what I mean? Yeah. And I understand that because I've been around those women.
And I'm such a girl's girl. I'm like, hey.
Oh. Oh.
You're like, you're not a girl. Okay.
You're not. All right.
I'll just go over here in the corner. Yeah.
Can you talk about the experience being an identical twin and sort of finding your own path in this industry? Yes. So four years, I talk about this in my book.
I came out with a memoir. And for years, my sister and I lived together.
I want to say it was six years. And one of the hardest transitions of my life being a twin was that move.
In or out? Out. moving out of my parents house and moving in with her okay because when we were in our parents house twins the sister sister did everything together um at 20 and we moved out pretty late because i mean i loved my life and my parents house you know to do much uh they actually found our house they were like hey look there's that house you know it's time to go it's time to go there you go that's our sign and i was like oh dang okay i see yes you know it is um so when we moved i remember having lots of arguments i being like, I remember asking Tia like, who the hell are you? Who was this? Yeah.
And then she was like, well, who are you? Just because you were so different? Because we were so different. We were evolving into these different human beings because, I mean, you're always growing, always learning.
But we were so used to being the same. So then she would force me to be like her.
And then I would force her to be like me. Right.
And that was horrible. It was just like constant, just, it was just bad.
So then I remember us having this epiphany, this revelation going, wait, we're different. You're the yin to my yang.
Like we actually balance each other out when we tap into our authenticity and who we are made and called to be. So that when we are together, it'll be that much more powerful.
Because you will represent people like you and i will represent you know people like me because the whole point of these podcasts talk shows um and i think just your generation in in general and even younger they're tired of the bs authenticity in being a talk show host, I've learned this too, is what people want. And that's what I want.
We want to see it stripped down. We want to see behind the scenes.
We want to see the inner workings of the people in front of us. That's how we learn.
That's how we grow. So it was really important for us to tap into that, especially being in the same industry.

You're going to get the roles that fit for you.

I'm going to get the roles that fit for me.

I have my friends and, you know, well, I call my friends my family that fit me.

You have your friends that you call family fit you and embrace that.

There's nothing wrong in being different. There's nothing.
used to always say dare to be different dare to be different and love each other unconditionally in the process that's what family that's what family is yeah that's what it should be so yeah so growing up did you oh were you guys always called the twins yes and did you hate that or that or love that? Yes. You hated it? Hated it.
Okay. So I should stop calling my twins the twins.
Oh, yes. Okay.
They're not one yet. So I feel like I still have time.
Okay. You're like, wait, they're not one yet.
So I call them. It's kind of like when maybe you called your kids this when they were the baby.
Yeah. Oh, can you grab the baby? Yeah.
But at some point, maybe around, I would say probably one or two is like where that gets cut off at least in my family no I let me rephrase this because words are very important it's not that I didn't like being called twins because being a twin is a blessing I didn't like when that's the only way people identified me okay you know that makes sense I'm more than that right absolutely i am me right i am tamara you're tamara um and tia is tia and when you're walking down the street somebody and i'm by myself and they're like hi tia and tamara and i'm like well what tia here in my pocket oh no she oh no tia's not here you know what Right, right. So we always wanted people to see us as individuals.
So what you could do, you know, is be like, it's such a blessing you guys are twins. This is a blessing for mommy.
But really emphasize on the fact that they are individuals. Right.
I love my i love that you are you i love that you are you you know separate um it in a loving way and praise their individuality okay that's a good tip for me you then you got this girl i just hope to say i do call them the twins yeah right now but my hairstylist is also a twin and she said that growing up she hated it so i said i have to ask tamara how she felt about it if if people did call me the twins around like 11 12 okay because that's when you start developing reasoning and you know all that kind of stuff and you know start uh growing into yourself sure um but if you want to say it earlier cool i'm going home and i'm not calling them the twins anymore they're just verse and valley oh but there's nothing i said i love being a twin yeah some aspects that i love and there's some aspects that i didn't but it wasn't the aspect that i didn't like about it was never because of my sister right right right outside perspective sure twins right and were you constantly compared yes we hate that like when people come up to me or people come up to her and be like oh my god you're the pretty twin that doesn't make us feel good why would someone say that to you or anybody oh they say it they say it that doesn't make me feel good because one what you're implying is that my sister isn't as like that that that's not you're talking about my sister that doesn't that doesn't make me feel good you know like I hate that if you or like uh Tamera's always been my twin or Tia's always been my twin okay cool that's the person that you relate to a little bit more but don't tell me that yeah that doesn't make anyone feel good it doesn't it doesn't it doesn't help backhanded yeah okay because i don't i don't like that do you know what i mean like yeah comparison is the thief of joy whether you are a twin or you're not it's really not good to compare unless it's you're using it uh to um help you're being inspired to be inspired okay fair yeah i mean i have definitely done both i think there have been times where i compare myself especially on social media right and so when i realize okay this is not like a healthy inspiration sort of comparison yeah i have to mute them i don't follow them but i mute them because i'm like this is not That's you taking care of your mental health. Yeah.
And it wasn't always that way, but I sort of wondered if it was maybe next level for, you know, siblings or twins, especially in the industry, you know, of, of entertainment and movies and things like that. So, um, that's why it's important to know who you are too, as an individual, because, and then know too, like what's for me will not pass me.
You know what I mean when you tap into who you truly are right what's for you you're going you're going to get just like there's there's a lot of amazing um black actresses out there like i what's for them is for them when i tap into who i am and own that and be proud of that there are roles that are you know, fit me. I want the role for me.
I don't want the role for so-and-so. Yeah.
No, I agree with that. I think that's in life too, not even just acting.
Yeah, absolutely. For the last couple minutes, I would like to do rapid fire if you're okay with that.
I love rapid fire. What is your favorite wine flavor from your winery? Okay.
I would have to say my favorite wine is the napa cab okay so i definitely should try that absolutely okay do you like red though or do you like white um i i don't know i'm not sure i'd have to do um like a sample like a flight okay coffee too because i'm a big coffee drinker okay so well if you're a big coffee drinker i think you'll like wine because coffee has a very uh acquired for sure and wine

is as well okay i didn't know that active yeah it's very subjective but um if you like like um really robust uh like bold fruity flavors you're gonna love a cab okay if you want to feel refreshed and have like just a sweet taste on the back of your tongue.

You know, i would say a nice uh chardonnay or pinot grigio our chardonnay is not buttery it's it's it's fruity okay i like a fruity yeah see i can go on and on and on about that but yeah favorite self-care activity sleep me too that's a good one and it's that's that's self-care is it an activity because yeah i know i freaking i get excited yeah i'm like hold on go to bed it's like when you rub your feet together have you seen that meme on um social media where it's like once i rub my feet together in this bed it's over yeah no that's us yeah what's us. Yeah.
What's your guilty pleasure? Do you have a show? Do you have an activity that you do just for you? Guilty pleasure, I would say, I mean, I love to bake and then just eat all of it. Okay.
Well, that's okay. Yeah.
My peach cobbler. I love that.
Love it. You can only eat one food for the rest of your life.
What is it? French fry, man. Oh, we love a's a variety i feel like all different types of fries right there's truffle wedges yeah wedges potato crinkle cut isn't there steak fry what do they call it the skinny ones yep crinkle cut shoelace yeah whatever yeah early i love a good curly fry oh yeah with the good like seasoning on it yes you don't even need the ketchup no you don't need any condiments i do i do like ranch with my french fries though yes not even just uh not just ketchup i like you know it's great yeah no it's so good my kids don't like it so i just get all of it favorite hallmark movie oh favorite hallmark movie either the one that you were just in um scouting for christmas or another one um oh this is again like my favorite one that i've done i haven't seen the one that i just finished okay just shooting it was a blast it's the geth simony brown one murder and g major that is my favorite Hallmark movie of mine.

But my favorite Hallmark movie, it's a murder mystery series.

So you're a true crime girlie?

Yes.

You are? I love Curious Carrie.

I actually have a prosecutor coming on the podcast.

Yeah.

I would love.

Is it he or she?

Is she?

I would love to pick her brain.

Well, she'll be here.

She might be here, but right now.

Oh, my gosh. She'll be here soon.
Oh, my. She was a former Brooklyn prosecutor.
Yes. I wanted to be a prosecutor.
Stop. Yeah.
Would you have gone to law school? I tried. Well, yeah, I would have.
I started my undergraduate career thinking that I was going to be a lawyer. Well, your undergrad can be in anything.
I know, but i wanted to do a little bit of poli sci and i was like this is not i can't it's a lot it's a lot i mean you could i think apprentice what do they call it when you learn under kim kardashian did it i think yes i don't know what it's called but you can like basically study under and a practicing attorney that's always an option the only thing is i feel like you have to study both sides to be a great prosecutor you have to really know and experience a defense um you know being a defense lawyer i don't know if i could defend i could help someone who i know killed some you know like did something bad i don't know if i my moral compass would be like Can't do it. That's always my first.
He did it. He did it, everybody.
I know he did it.

It'd be like Rob Kardashian was like I'm out once he realized that oh yeah I could so that's why I was no I get it but it's a girl can dream yeah that would be nice I could play one you could best of both worlds you get the experience of playing one but you don't have to go to law school that is your your next. Yep.
Okay. That's what it's going to be.
If you need just like a, what is it called? Like a walk on or what is it called? Guess box? Yeah. Just mean to walk by or anything.
I want to be a lawyer in a movie, a show. I'm your girl.
Okay. I got you.
We're just out here creating roles. Thank you so much for coming on the Barely Famous Podcast.
Where can people find you? Where can people find your Hallmark movie, obviously, and all of the things? Hallmark, Scouting for Christmas, we kick off the Countdown to Christmas. I'm the first Sunday film.
It's a big deal. Oh my gosh.
It's Sunday, 8 p.m., 7 central on the Hallmark channel. My socials are at Tamera Mori 2.
don't have enough time for me to um explain why it's tamiramori twf maybe next time okay uh it involved a drunk night oh wow okay um tamira at tamiramori2 twitter uh instagram and then uh facebook tamiramori and you you also have a website, TamaraMowry.com.

Is it?

Yes, TamaraMowry.com.

Yes, because I saw a ton of good stuff on there.

You can shop your house.

I loved it.

I loved it.

So good.

Thank you so much.

This was fun.

Thank you for coming.

Of course. Outro Music