Trisha Paytas on Fame, Motherhood, and Viral Moments

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Welcome to the shit show.

Things are going to get weird.

It's your favede villain, Kale Lower.

And you're listening to Barely Famous.

Okay, so we're filming Barely Famous Podcast at the Chamberlain Hotel in West Hollywood.

And today I have Tricia Paytas on Barely Famous Podcast.

All right, Trisha.

Yeah.

Welcome to the Barely Famous Podcast.

I'm so excited to be here.

No, and you match my colors.

I'm obsessed.

I didn't even know.

And it like matches the water bottle and everything.

Yeah.

Yeah.

The whole aesthetic.

Did you pick the colors yourself?

Absolutely not.

Wait.

Someone before you got it?

Oh, yeah.

Like the room?

No, it's just a coincidence.

I mean, that's kind of everything, though.

Okay, so my name is Kayla Lowry.

What is your name?

My name is Trisha Paytas.

Is it?

I think.

Why?

Do you know something?

Why did I hear a rumor that that's not your real name?

Did I say that?

I think so.

Because it's probably a lie if I said it.

Wait.

I just like to troll sometimes for fun.

You're kidding.

I had this like whole bit that was like, what's your real name?

Because you had said that only moses knows your real name oh my god that's so niche and i love it because it was like i mentioned it once on like a podcast and i was like yeah it's not my real name it was i just like to troll a little bit i love that it's my real name i think okay so it's like just trisha like not trisha k paytas yeah kay

yeah kay is cute it's kind of cute i feel like it's kind of basic i don't i don't like middle names did you give your kids middle names i did um

but my kids also go by their middle names really yeah like isaac he is known at school as Elliot.

Whoa.

Is that his first name?

Isaac's his first name.

Elliot is his middle name.

But he prefers Elliot.

Whoa.

Why?

That's so good.

I don't know.

And Lincoln, too.

Like, we just call him Marshie, Marsh, Marshmallow.

What's his first name?

Lincoln.

But his middle name is Marshall.

Marshall.

Oh, my God.

Like, Marshall Mathers.

That's why I named him that.

I'd love that.

No, I know.

I should have named him Marshall because that's kind of iconic.

Like Marshall Mathers, Lowry.

Imagine.

I mean, I was like, this bitch is crazy.

I almost did that with Elvis.

I was going to name her Elvis Presley, Paytas Hackman, but I was like, I might get sued or something.

So, can you get sued for that?

I have no idea.

I was worried with Malbu Barbie, too.

I was like, well, Mattel sue me.

I don't know.

Do they have to respond to that?

No, but they probably are like, oh, we don't love it.

But they didn't say anything, which is good.

It's iconic.

You should be doing collabs with Barbie.

I would love it.

I don't know if I'm brand-friendly anymore, as we discussed before.

I don't think I'm going to get Mattel, but.

Oh, well, we could try.

Yeah.

We both have daughters.

I have a daughter now, so I can't.

Girl, mom.

I have to tell you this.

Don't get mad at me.

Oh my gosh.

I'm scared.

I'm always so scared.

Okay.

It's so weird to do someone's podcast.

Like I mentioned before we started.

I'm just like, oh my God.

I'm like, I'm so worried how it's like perceived because when I'm doing a podcast, I'm like, it went well.

And then it's like afterwards, everyone's like, that was so awkward.

That was so weird.

So I was so nervous about maybe not this not happening because I had seen Bunny and Jeffree Star on her podcast.

Oh, yes.

So I was like, oh my God, is she going to cancel?

I don't show up.

No, but what was going on with that?

Are you guys good now?

Yes, we're actually all good.

I literally talked to Jeffree like two days ago for the first time in like five years on the phone.

So, yeah, we're all good.

And even Bunny and I, we talked like a couple days after it happened.

It really was.

Like, I definitely screwed Bunny over, not on purpose, obviously.

We went to Vegas in 2023 and I had gone to go interview Tony Osmond, who's like my hero.

He's my everything.

And that night we got invited to the show.

And so the...

The idea was I was glam.

And whenever I have full glam, I'm like, I'm going to do everything that day

to go, right?

Like, sweet.

I mean,

tomorrow, I'm not doing an exercise.

Yes, today.

Hair makeup's done today.

So that was the goal.

So we went to Vegas, but we just hit traffic on the way.

And so by the time we were like a check-in, everything, I like wasn't going to make it.

And I told her, I was like, I think I'm not going to make it.

I'm like running late.

And it was my bad because I got caught up.

We ended up seeing the Donny Asthma show that night.

Like I did get caught up.

And then I just didn't respond.

So I like, it ended up being like shitty of me for sure.

And I felt so bad.

And I was so embarrassed.

And it was awful.

It was like the worst situation ever.

And she never said anything about it publicly.

And yeah, when Jeffrey was on, uh yeah it just

it was just a shit show yeah which but i don't blame her because i've been canceled on like day of and it like sucks and like granted i guess i've never been like ghosted on like what i did was probably worse i was like i don't think i'm gonna make it and then just like never responded and i i apologize to her sons obviously that was so awful um but it rarely happens it just like i got really just like flustered and caught up and it was it was just a you were supposed to go on her podcast or she was coming on yours i was supposed to go on hers in vegas oh yeah okay have you done her you done hers right yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I did it.

I think it was last year, the year before, last year.

I love Bunny.

I think she loves me.

I've never met Jeffrey, so I couldn't say anything about that.

He's actually very sweet, too.

And we talked on the phone like two days ago, and he was like super apologetic for things that happened five years ago.

Like it was, he was really, he's like one person I think is actually like a genuine person too.

And Bunny as well.

She was like super sweet.

She's like, I didn't mean it to come across that way.

And she like also was like apologetic, even though I was the one screwed over.

She's like, you know, it was, it was, it was such a blip, but both of them, I think, are very, very sweet.

And I, I love bunny.

That's why I was like really sad.

I was really sad because we've been like talking for so long in her podcast.

Like, I was always inspired by hers because I loved her setup.

I loved her vibe.

And yeah, I still really love her.

So hopefully it'll still happen.

And she's super sweet.

She like texted me when I thought about going on Ozempic, and she's like, don't do it.

I was on it.

It was really sad.

Like, she's very like sweet.

And yeah.

Wait, so did you go on Ozempic or no?

No.

I'm going to go on it, I think.

You are?

But you've lost so much weight.

It's because I was pregnant for two years in a row.

I think that's why it looks like that, but I don't actually think that i'm lost that much like i'm basically the same as like my fourth son you know what i mean i see so you're just been pregnant for so long someone just thinks yeah yeah yeah yeah because i'm just like my normal weight but i would like to go on ocean bait because i want to get a boob job so i think i have to lose a couple pounds i did hear you talking about this because i want a boob job too and i think i think have you had one I've had two.

You have?

You have?

Yeah, but I was young.

I was like 24.

So I'm like way due to get another one.

And they're very like Seggy.

I got the lift.

I got everything.

But I think I heard you say on a podcast that you had to like lose weight to get surgery.

Yeah.

And I was like, I probably have to do it because I'm like 230 right now.

So I have to do it under 200, I bet, to get it.

So when I did the consultations, they were saying that the BMI has to be a lot lower.

And so I've talked about this on the podcast, my podcast before.

I was just like, one surgeon that I talked to will do it where my BMI is, but most don't.

Oh, so you're like, let me be safe.

So probably, yeah, I don't feel like going hard on it today.

Isn't that...

I love that term.

It is scary.

I feel like that is always scary, right?

Like the surgery, but also like the complications after.

I mean, I've done a lot of surgeries, but like, it is always a little.

I wasn't planning on talking about surgeries, but what have you gotten done?

Because I have talked about mine all the time.

What have you gotten done?

I did a mommy makeover.

Dr.

Miami did my mommy makeover, but not boobs.

Did you do a collab?

Yes.

Oh, Dr.

Miami?

Yeah.

I want that so much.

Which is so crazy because I had seen all kinds of like, you know, when you read reviews on things, people don't have great results.

I had a phenomenal experience with him.

Well, I feel like everyone does, right?

Or no, he has bad reviews.

I feel like.

I think anyone to his status, you have to take the good with the bad, right?

Like there has to be bad

They're not all going to be perfect.

But I had a great experience with him.

And you got what?

I got Lipo 360, Brazilian Buttlift.

Wait, Lipo 360 is everything.

Yeah, but I do have to get this done again because I would like to tuck it up a little bit.

But

you don't have a double chin, which is, I like,

you don't.

No, I've, but I feel like that was, I think we just see it in ourselves because I don't see yours.

Yours is not like this.

You know what I mean?

Like, not that it matters, but yeah, yours is this.

Like, I wiped makeup out of my creases before I came down here.

The same.

I do that too.

Like, I don't get it underneath.

Sometimes I have to be like, oh, you missed it underneath here.

no i added my fat rolls you know what i mean oh yeah yeah i've had that too so i've never got lipo there i did the lipo on my back my stomach my upper arms which have come back same

the upper arms are the worst and they won't do it on your forearms because of veins i wanted to get my forearms done but um and then i did the brazilian butt lift too i do i had a really flat butt it was wide but like flat right okay and they put like look some hips i really really loved my lipo and uh bbl then i got my boobs done twice i had uneven boobs so i got the implants the first time and then the second time I did like a lift with an implant.

Okay, so I think I'm going to do like back lipo and then boobs.

That's the plan.

And maybe the two.

That's a good one.

Oh, at the same time.

Yeah, just because I just pay for anesthesia one time and be done with it.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Anesthesia is fun.

I was a little addicted to plastic.

I love the feeling of like being put under.

Really?

Yeah.

I'm terrified.

I think it's because the number of kids that I have, I'm so scared of like not waking up.

I think that's what stopped me too for so long is like I just don't like I like my life right now.

You know, before I was like, I don't care if I don't wake up, whatever.

And now I'm like, I actually need to.

Yeah.

I mean, our kids probably need a.

Yeah, I think most of the time it goes well.

Like, you know.

And that's when I asked one of the doctors.

I was like, if I don't wake, he's like, very slim chance.

Like, you're going to be fine.

Yeah.

It's actually the complications after like the infections and stuff that a lot of people go horizontal, as you would say.

Take a dirt nap.

You're just wild.

You talk about it so casually.

I mean, I haven't been affected by it.

I shouldn't talk about it so casually, but here we are.

No, I know.

I think you have to like make jokes of it because it is such a scary thing, and especially since you're going to like do it.

But if it makes you happy, I don't know.

I do go back and forth with it.

But boobs, I think you need to get done like every, it's been over 10 years, so I think it's like for safety reasons, you have to get them redone, they could leak or something.

You wouldn't take them out, like

everyone's doing like breast implant illness and they like take their implants out.

Uh, you know what?

I really did think I suffered from that.

Like, maybe, maybe I should.

Maybe I should, honestly.

If I do,

I'd love baked boobs, but maybe I should.

Maybe they will just be deflated if I have nothing in there.

Maybe they do like a butt, like a fat transfer.

Yeah, they can.

They definitely can.

Maybe that.

So, yesterday I listened to your Call Her Daddy episode with Alex, and I I need to ask you if you've been kidnapped between January and now.

Between January and now?

Oof.

No.

I stay in my house most of the time now.

Yeah.

That was, yeah.

Kidnapping.

Well, I guess as an adult, it's abducting, right?

No, I think it's still kidnapping.

Really?

I'm pretty sure.

Because like, you're not a kid, but you're still napped.

I wonder if they put out like an Amber alert if you're over like 18.

No one looked for me, that's for sure.

I definitely was missing for like a couple days, but.

Why?

a couple days is crazy, is it?

No, but I feel like if you're like, oh, your 18-year-old goes out in the world, they're living in Hollywood, you don't hear from them for a few days, are you going to be like concerned?

I don't know.

I mean, maybe the police wouldn't be, but like, if I was your friend, I'm going to be concerned.

Well, I have no friends, okay.

And maybe, like, my mom, but like, I think it was like normal for her to not hear from me for like a week because I just was like horrible at calling.

So, what happened?

Where were you?

Like, did you figure out where you were and who you were with?

Strip club, never, because it's always like people from the strip club, right?

So, like, there was a shady one on Sepalveda that I worked at, and like, that's the one where I'd be like, I guess, kidnapped from, but in all fairness, it wasn't even the club's fault.

It was like, so Sepalvida Boulevard has like a lot of CD hotels, and they're like cheap, and just like you can rent them by the hour hotels.

So, I would like walk along there, and so I think that's where the abductions like took place, obviously, because I was like getting in people's car and like, you know,

getting drugged, I guess.

I don't know.

I'm not sure.

I just would like wake up in like other places.

I remember being in a back of a pickup truck one time.

Like, how did I get here?

Mm-hmm.

Like

to the elements exposed?

Yes, yes, yes.

Actually, not even fully exposed because they had a little bit like a, like, almost like a tarp, not tarp, but it's like something that covered it halfway.

So I remember like thinking, like, you wake up and you're just like, oh my God, I'm in like a coffin or something.

Like, it was like super scary.

But I was still so out of it.

So when I'm like drugged up, whether it's being adopted or like a C-section, I'm like, woo, you know what I mean?

I'm just kind of like, it doesn't, it affects me in such a weird way, like in a happy way almost.

so

I know

like

well it's like you have to laugh because it is actually so crazy right no it it's the your life is the craziest thing I've ever

I don't know I feel like like we were talking I feel like not to trauma compare but you definitely take the cake in a good way well good thing for

and or in a I don't know if it's good or bad but it's um it's a good thing for us because I actually got the candy for the trauma salad and so we could like I'm so scared but I love it I like wrote down all the things I could say so just oh my gosh yeah just take your time Okay, yeah, I'm gonna need to.

I never did it for that reason.

I was like, oh my god, like, what do I say?

How dark do you go?

You know, oh, I go all the way.

Yeah, I know.

Going straight to hell.

It doesn't matter.

Okay, I saw one of your most recent TikToks about Caitlin and Tyler and the whole situation.

So, do you have a favorite cast member from the franchise?

Oh, um,

I really did watch it.

I did watch so many seasons of it.

I'm trying to think, like, favorite or favorite, like, moment, favorite scene, anything?

Like, Janelle.

I mean, Janelle,

iconic, honestly.

Truly.

I think it's so funny.

Like, now like the messy becomes like iconic, right?

Like, I don't know for better or worse.

And I hope she's doing well.

I don't really know like her situation now with David.

She's iconic.

Barb's obviously iconic.

We love.

I feel like I really loved the moms of the teen moms.

You know what I mean?

Like, Barb was great.

I probably related most to Amber.

Really?

Maybe.

That surprises me.

Why?

I think because she was just so mentally unstable.

And I was like, oh my God, that'd be me if I was like a mom.

You know what I mean?

And like, and I say that with like, because I was also mentally unstable and still could be, you know what I mean?

And I think she's doing better.

But it was, I just related so much to her because I think she gets so much like shit, right?

For, you know, especially now with like, is it Leah, her daughter?

Yeah.

Leah, you know, like the stuff they show.

I just don't think it should be shown on TV where it's like the stuff with Gary and then her not wanting to be adopted.

It just seems too messy when the kids get older.

So I just had a lot of empathy for her and because I felt I like related the most to it.

You know what I mean?

Like exposing Amber traumatizes Leah, essentially.

Kind of the whole thing.

It's just something I feel like we shouldn't be watching sometimes.

You know what I mean?

It's kind of like the Caitlin and Tyler thing that I was talking about, where it's like, I like them a lot, but I'm like, ooh, should we be like hearing all this?

Where they're like, the her parents and Carly were looking for you.

And I was like, oh, this feels like messy.

I don't know.

But I loved you, of course.

It's always like super crazy.

Of course.

I was telling you.

Like, I followed all of it from the beginning.

And I thought,

yeah.

And I remember, I remember your story was, I felt for you too.

Like, just anyone who like, because you lived with Joe at such a young age and, you know, you were just very real about all of it.

This was before I was like even on YouTube.

I think I was like 18 or something like that.

And I, or maybe even older.

And I just remember being like, wow, they're really sharing everything.

But it's like inspiring, you know?

You help so many.

Did you do the My Strange Addiction show before or after that, do you think?

It's probably after.

And then when was the Ellen?

Ellen 2011 and My Strange Addiction 2009.

So was that like My Strange Addiction was before my show and then Teen Mom and then Ellen.

Oh, when did you do 16 Impregnant?

I filmed in 2009 and it aired in 2010.

Oh, interesting.

So yeah, I guess around the same time.

The first 16 Impregnant or the 16 Impregnant had already aired and I remember wanting to be on the reality show.

So I thought that was like so cool.

And I remember thinking like, wow, they're like so famous, all these girls.

How the fuck do you get picked for My Strange Addiction and Ellen within two years?

My Strange Addiction was literally on Craig's list.

They're like, we need someone addicted to something.

And I was like, let me think of something, you know?

You were like, let me think of it on the spot.

Did you go get like 12 12 spray tans?

Yeah, I was actually very tan.

Did you ever have a tanning phase where you were just like dark?

No.

Okay.

I was just like, really, I grew up in the Midwest and it was like.

Tanning beds.

Yeah.

Oh my God.

You could be in there for an hour and they wouldn't care.

Now there's like time limits and stuff like that.

So yeah, I just, I really love to be tanned.

And I thought, well, I'll write in.

It was kind of like what you were saying.

Like, I just wanted the money too.

Like, I wanted to be on TV, but I was also paying like $500.

And I was like, oh, I need that.

And so I was like, yeah.

And I also thought I'd get a spin-off.

You know, it's the age of like spin-offs.

So you're like, you basically did.

Your whole life has been a spin-off on YouTube, I guess.

I've always been kind of like here, you know what I mean?

I feel like with a show like yours, it's like so massive and so big, and you got book deals and stuff from it.

I feel like I've never quite gotten there, but I'm still like holding out.

I feel like when I'm like 40 or something, I'll hit my stride.

Before 40, you think?

Oh, yeah.

Oh, easily.

Would you ever do like real housewives?

I'm not, I don't think I make enough money.

I think you probably make more than some of the housewives.

I think so.

Yeah, I think a lot of it's for a show.

Well, a lot of them are married rich, right?

So, but I think, I think a lot of it's for a show, to be honest.

I mean, yeah, I don't know.

I don't watch that much, but like from what I heard, I don't think they make like, I don't know.

I don't know, maybe not.

Maybe I'm making it up, but

I'm gonna do it.

We're gonna run some numbers after this.

I think maybe in like 10 years, you could do it.

I think it'd be like in your 40s to do it.

Maybe.

Okay, so we'll do it together.

We'll be on the like.

The real housewives of Maryland.

The real housewives of Delaware.

The Amish women doing the real housewives.

That's what I'm doing.

Actually, have you seen them on TikTok lately?

The Amish women?

They're fake Amish, though, right?

I think they're real Amish.

Like smuggling phones, I think.

We love an Amish conversation because we talked about this on my podcast.

And I was like, but like, that's what I'm saying.

Like, how do they get the electricity?

How do they get the phones?

That's a great question.

I feel like they might be like, maybe they're Amish, but they are like not fully practicing.

I do love them on the TikTok though.

I do love them.

We should get them on your podcast.

Should I on yours?

You're there.

You're in the action.

You could like go interview them right down the street.

I would love.

I would love.

Do you still want to be a talk show host?

Oh, my gosh.

Yeah.

You do?

What would you call it?

Would it be just Trish or would it be something else?

I always wanted it to be like Trish.

Like Ellen, Oprah, Trish.

Wendy Williams.

Yeah, Wendy's my favorite.

I love her so much.

She's like, watch the documentary on Netflix.

Yeah, it's like so sad.

Like it is so sad, right?

Getting older.

It's like a blessing and a curse because like Wendy was so iconic and then you see her in that state and it's like, but I think everyone like nowadays, they don't like make fun of people like that.

They're like, have empathy again, you know, because you're like, damn, she got taken advantage of.

She's like deteriorating.

It's really sad to see.

But she did comment on something recently.

I forgot what it was.

Something in pop, oh, P.

Diddy, she commented.

So she is like alive and well out there.

She's still like commenting on like pop watch.

I love her.

That was always my dream.

Well, I think you should get one.

I think by 40, you'll have that too.

Yeah, that's manifest.

Okay, I like that.

I feel like, yeah, maybe when I'm a little older and it's there.

What was your dream?

What is your dream?

I wanted to be a dentist.

Interesting.

Yeah, I wanted to be a dentist.

Did you know anybody?

No, I wanted to go to temple and then I got knocked up.

So I was like, I couldn't go to college really.

To temple?

Like?

Temple University.

Oh, my gosh.

Like middle school?

No.

That's BYU.

Oh, I thought Temple.

Mormon wives they go to Temple.

So I was like, oh, oh.

Right?

I don't know.

Oh, no, no, no.

Temple University is a college.

I've never been to college.

I actually did go to community college like for a class one time.

Mountaina Cento.

Okay, so have you thought about going to visit a college campus like for content like Patreon?

Can you do that?

Oh, I could take you to my alma mater in Delaware.

Really?

Oh, yeah, you'd have a good time.

And what do you do?

Just walk the halls?

You could sit down a class, I'm sure.

They would love to have you.

Really?

That would actually be kind of fun.

I always wanted to do that as like a TV show.

Remember Made on MTV?

Yes.

I wanted to be made into a college student.

I also wanted to go on Fat Camp.

Wait, I don't remember the show.

It was on MTV.

I think it was on MTV.

And it was a reality show.

Yeah, it was, yeah.

And it was like the weight.

Yeah.

And I wanted to be on that so bad because I remember being like, I was like the chunky friend.

Were you?

Yeah.

You were so skinny on the first season.

What?

You looked skinny.

When I saw the one of like your mom, you're like taking a baby from her or something.

She's like, you shouldn't be whatever.

And then you're like, you're so skinny on there.

I don't know.

I wasn't, I wasn't like.

I wasn't the skinny friend for sure.

That's for sure.

Yeah, no.

But it was such a different time, too, because when I looked back at my high school, I thought I was always chunky.

And then I was like a 140.

I was like, oh, wow.

Well, it was was okay so i was average but like to my friend group it was the chunky one

yeah that's so awful that was awful but i think other than that i always wanted to go into law Wow.

Yeah.

You're like really smart, like intellectually, like book smart you are and all-around smart.

But I'm like, I'm always impressed by that.

I was like, oh, wow.

She's like, you know about like, you're talking about like taxes and business and people are like, you're very smart about that stuff too.

No, no.

I didn't even know how you bought a house until I was 32 and I met Moses.

I thought if you wanted a $4 million house, you'd have $4 million in your bank account.

So I just didn't buy houses for so long.

I was just spending hundreds of thousand dollars a month i'm like i'll never save up to four million so i might as well just spend all this money in rent shut up yeah so i was like renting for twenty thousand dollars a month you know because i was like i won't be able to afford a 40 like a four million dollar house but i can rent one yeah so i didn't know like nothing taxes like i was so i had no idea about any of it oh wait i'm shocked by this tax brackets more money gorgeous thank you and it's because of moses when i met him and i was making all that only pans money like he's like you should like save for a house and i was like i can never save like four million dollars like you don't need four million dollars And I was like, really?

You're like, hold on, this changes everything.

Yeah, it really did.

Because he had owned property before and I didn't.

And he was like telling me, oh, you should get this.

And so, yeah, we just like got it together because I had no money saved.

I never saved money up until 2020.

I never saved money.

You just spent it.

I spent everything.

I would make like $300,000 a month and spend it all in one month.

We have that in common.

Do you love to spend?

Yeah, well, I'm a spender, but also when you give a teenager large sums of money.

Oh, yeah.

You were so young, so quick and got lots of money.

If I got $5,000, because you've got $5,000 $5,000 for the first 16 and pregnant, if I got $5,000 at like 17, oh my god, I think I would have been like, I don't know, probably dead in a ditch somewhere.

You'd be like, I'm out.

Yeah, that's why.

So what did you do with it when you got 50?

I got 5,000.

Wow.

Yeah.

What was it?

I think it was a sunfire,

Pontiac Sunfire.

Oh, my God.

It was really little.

It was like, it was like that green color.

Really?

Oh, how cute.

Yeah.

You got a house pretty early on, too, right?

In teen mom.

Didn't you have like a house pretty quick?

You moved out of Joe's parents' house in.

I got an apartment.

Okay.

So I was renting an apartment for a long time.

And then when Javi and I got married and got, he got stationed in Delaware, we bought our first house.

And how old were you?

19.

Wow.

Buying a house at 19 is wild.

But to be fair, it was the 0%

down because he was military.

So you didn't have to put a down payment?

No.

Whoa.

Yeah, so that's the only reason why we made that happen.

It wasn't because I had money or anything.

That's kind of everything.

So anyone in the military doesn't have to put a down payment down?

Yeah, it's called the VA loan.

That's actually everything.

You can join.

You're young enough.

I don't think so.

Yeah.

You can join certain branches for sure.

At 36 years old.

Yes.

And

my ex-husband is a recruiter.

So if you want me to call him...

He's like, Javi, could I come?

He would be like, yeah.

Really?

I mean, yeah, I don't see why not.

It helps him out.

I don't think I'm cut out for military life.

Okay.

Physically, I don't think I could pass the physical.

What about Special Forces?

Have you seen that show?

Dr.

Drew was telling me about it.

I was like, why do I know this?

He was telling me about it.

He said he like went to the ICU or something from it.

He got injured really bad.

Did you watch any of it?

I did.

I was obsessed with it, and I asked him if he could get me on it, but he couldn't.

Really?

Yeah.

Wait, why not?

I feel like he has to.

I don't think they cared about me.

So I was wanting to get away with it.

I still put a goslin on there, and she's so like.

Well, that's what I thought was interesting.

Yeah.

No offense, but I was like, I have more followers than her, so can I get on it?

Yeah.

I guess if you have one more kid, then you're like up there.

They were like, if you have seven kids, you don't count.

Yeah.

Oh, you would do it.

I could never.

You should try.

No, did you see the one where they have to like drive the car and they drive it into like water, into the ocean to get out of the car?

They have to like literally drive the thing off the cliff into water and then they have to get swim out of it.

I missed that one, but I saw the one where they fall backwards out of the helicopter into the ocean.

You would do that?

Oh, yeah.

I'm not a physical person.

I'd cry, but I would do it.

I kind of, I'm scared of everything.

I honestly, my heart would give out because I'd be so scared.

It's like roller coasters.

Like, I just don't go on them because, like, my fear alone would kill me.

Probably.

Yeah.

So that's not for me.

Maybe like dancing with the stars or something.

Have they ever asked you?

No.

I am shocked because you've been on MTV.

I just feel like that's so like mainstream.

I did do marriage boot camp.

That was a really cool experience.

And you went with Javi.

I did go with Javi.

Those therapies that they use in the show, I could totally see them working in real life.

Like they were real.

I think obviously the show was for the drama, but the therapy like techniques and like the activities that they do at Marriage Boot Camp, like those are real shit.

Like those would work in real life.

Why didn't it work with you?

Well, because I think you need to do them regularly, not just like over two weeks.

Do you think it helped you?

Yeah.

I do.

So you guys were married and you were really trying to work on it when you went there?

So I had already filed for divorce.

And so it was, I think we were were in the process of getting divorced for about a year.

So we went during the process where we were like, I had already filed.

Oh, I see.

And then you're like, well.

And then he like re-proposed to me at the end and I said no.

Did it err?

Yeah.

Oh my God.

Why didn't you just say yes where the cameras then end it later?

Because I think he would have believed me.

Oh, poor Javi.

I know.

I don't know anything about him, but I always do feel like, oh, poor Javi.

They really gave him a sympathy edit.

You know what I mean?

Like, I would agree.

Yeah.

He just seemed like sweet.

i'm happy for him now you know what i mean like yeah i wish him the best okay that's good do you have any pop culture phenomenons that you're obsessed with right now like i can't stop the menendez brothers have been on my mind for years and years and years before all of this

oh yeah i covered this on my podcast in like what 2021 21 21 and it's not a true crime podcast is this podcast you covered i covered it on coffee combos and i was obsessed with it and so many podcasts telling um i was telling lindsay about it i was like you have to watch all the stuff on the menendez brothers like i'm obsessed with it and she's like i'm not interested i don't care and so is there anything that you're obsessed with right now?

I love Jonathan Bailey.

So I love fellow travelers, Bridgerton, Heartstopper, Wicked.

Like, do you know him?

Do you know anything about him?

No.

You don't watch Bridgerton?

No.

Oh, my God.

Bridgerton's my new episode.

I became obsessed with Bridgerton postpartum.

So I never saw one episode.

And then the new season started right after I gave birth to Elvis.

And they had like,

I call her plus size, but she's not.

They had like a fat character because they call her that in the book, but she was not fat, Nicola Coughlin.

And she was like the romantic lead of Bridgerton's season three.

So I was like, oh, I want to watch this.

Like, if finally, someone, you know, because I've always been thick my whole life.

And I like fell in love with the show.

And then I re-watched all the first, first, and second season.

And then Jonathan Bailey is one of the Bridgerton brothers, and he's in the new Wicked, and I'm obsessed with him.

Have you seen Wicked on Broadway?

I saw Wicked on Broadway.

I also saw Wicked already.

I saw the movie already.

Yeah.

I went to an early screening two weeks ago, like two months before the movie came out.

You know, so good.

Amazing.

Are you, you're not a theater?

You're not a musical theater girl.

So I'm actually taking the kids to go see Harry Potter and the Something Child.

Oh, on Broadway.

Curse Child?

Yes.

Yes.

I'm taking them on to go see the Broadway show in a couple, two weeks.

Wait, because you like it or did you get invited?

No, I just like it.

I bought the tickets.

I mean, can I get them comped?

Yeah, you can get everything comped, I feel.

Although, you know what?

I'm the borrowed person to say that because I literally buy everything.

This is the first time I ever got anything comped.

When they invited me to Wicket, I'm like, this is the first burger I've gotten in 18 years.

Like, wow, thank you.

So I don't, people always say, yeah, you can get anything comped, but I usually end up buying all my stuff too.

Base has a new luggage line that's based on Wicket.

Ordered it.

Shut up.

I got the pink and the green.

You got both?

Yeah.

I'm obsessed with base luggage.

I got the Barbie last year, and I got the Wicked already.

Yes, I did see, I got, I had the all-black one, but I should have got the green because green is such like a vibe and it's like the color that you're wearing.

I love green.

Yeah, green is definitely the vibe.

Like Betelgeuse, like everything is green.

Brat summer, like it's definitely, and it's also like a money color.

Like if you're into like,

what do you call it?

Man of colour.

Crystals.

Oh, crystals.

Yeah, like, yeah.

So if you're into crystals, like, you know, the jade, like everything is like money and I, and I like it.

I'm very, like, money-based.

I'm a tourist.

So like everything is when's your birthday?

May 8th.

Oh, you're a May Taurus.

Yeah.

Are you a Taurus?

No, no, no, no.

I'm a Pisces.

A March.

February.

Oh, okay.

Yeah.

So, but I, I typically don't get along with Taurus, but I feel like you and I are very similar.

That's what's so crazy, too.

And you also are very different in real life because, yeah.

Now on your podcast and stuff, you come across very like happy bubbly, but like I remember watching the Dr.

Drew ones, and I remember thinking, like, oh my god, she just hates everybody all the time.

No, I did.

Yeah.

But I was hating everybody all the time.

I was very not in a great mood.

Oh, you were always pissed.

You're like, not talking about it.

You were like, you so pissed on stage.

I was like, oh my God, she hates everybody.

Well, I'm nice now.

No, and your vibe is so different.

That's what I thought too.

But when I was like researching YouTube, I was like, oh my God, yeah, we're like so similar in like so many ways.

Someone sent me a TikTok two days ago and was like, you're so Trisha Paytas

coded.

And I was like, what does that mean?

Yeah, I never know either.

I'm like, is that a good

compliment?

And then someone, when I was out to eat and I was talking fast, and they were like, you remind me of Trisha Paytas.

And I was like, really?

I kind of love that.

I love it.

I see it now, especially now with our same hair.

I have beater hairstyle.

And I do see it.

I can see it.

I love it.

I mean, that's a compliment for me, but I don't know if for you.

Oh, no, it's a compliment to me.

Okay.

Because people know who you are and they love you.

Well, you're an icon, too.

What do you think is the most iconic thing you've ever said?

I don't know if I have any like iconic lines or anything.

I don't know.

It's so bad when everybody wants to say.

Like, when it's you, it's hard.

Like, unless it goes viral on like TikTok, you know, it's like, it's hard to know.

I don't even know what is viral, like a sound.

Like, there's like a chicken sandwich one that's like, uh-huh, what?

Uh-huh.

Okay, but it's like not a sound.

I like

the mayonnaise one.

Can I play it?

Yeah, I don't know what it is.

Oh my god, I have that same Beetlejuice case.

Is it Casetify?

This one is Velvet Caviar.

Oh, Velvet Caviar.

Oh, yeah.

They sent me one and I forgot their name.

Did they send it to you or you buy it?

Oh, they sent it to me.

Yeah, I mean, Velvet Caviar gave me a freak.

When I pulled up to your house earlier, you had like UPS stuff on your thing, and I was like, hey, like, I was talking to your ring camera.

I didn't see it.

I'm on the side.

Oh, okay.

I was like, hey, like, do you want me to bring up these notices?

Did anyone answer you?

No, I didn't know if you could talk back or not.

So I was like, you talk back.

So you see that later.

I'm going to keep it, put it on TikTok.

I love that.

No, we can see it.

I never checked it.

I never.

I turn all my notifications off because it scares me.

Okay, well, that could just be the trailer for the episode.

It's fine.

Okay, hold on.

Let me pull up this video really quick because I was like,

when I saw, I couldn't stop laughing at this mayonnaise one.

Wait, what mayonnaise?

I don't even like mayonnaise.

I'm just trying to think that's why

there's a mayonnaise one out there.

I have no idea.

You should know all my sounds.

What is mayonnaise?

I heard it was like rotten pickles solidified.

Me laughing at myself.

And when I say rotten, I don't mean rotten bad.

I mean like vermelded.

Formeled.

Like

apple cider, I think it is like vermelded apples.

I,

wow.

Sometimes I look at myself and I'm like, I don't even know.

I think sometimes I'm so delirious, especially with a wig.

It like squeezes my head.

That's so much.

I don't know.

I honestly don't know what that is or where it came from.

Or I'm surprised it's on TikTok.

I don't even know.

Oh, I don't, I didn't know who posted it, but it was sent to me and I was like, I'm obsessed with this.

Like, I'm going to start wearing like.

Do you know what mayonnaise is?

I have no idea.

I love.

Seriously?

Like, what's it made out of?

I think it's egg yolk.

So it's, but that doesn't seem sanitary or healthy.

Like, it doesn't seem, what is the word?

Yeah, sanitary, maybe?

I've never personally made mayo from my chicken eggs, but I'll try and I'll let you know if it's like, if I can do it.

Egg yolk.

And then what else is in it?

It has to be something else.

It can't be just straight egg yolk.

We could go to the Hellman, the Hellman headquarters.

And just learn

a big deal.

I don't like it.

You don't like it?

I've never had it.

I love mayonnaise.

I like extra.

Egg yolks and vinegar.

Oil, egg yolks, and vinegar.

Egg yolks?

Interesting.

I would think it'd be egg whites because it's white, but okay.

Ooh.

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I do like an egg yolk, I guess, but everything else sounds awful.

Do you like deviled eggs?

No, but I love hard-boiled eggs, but I don't like a devil egg.

My husband loves some, and I don't.

I don't like sauces or creams or anything like that.

Like, I just eat everything plain and dry.

I eat a hard-boiled egg every night for dinner, and I hate the deviled egg ones.

My friend also told me that you can't do your ancestry DNA because you said that you can't eat for the 30 minutes.

Kind of true.

Well, I always forget.

I always am like going to do it.

So it's not because you're eating all the time every 30 minutes.

I was like, No, I can usually go a couple hours.

I did take an eating break in between, but yeah, I do usually go.

No, I forget, and I drink a lot of water.

You also can't drink, but I don't know if it really affects it.

Water probably is fine, but

I did Ancestry and 23andMe.

Sponsored?

Absolutely not.

You did it for free?

Do you want to sponsor my podcast?

Yeah.

What did you find out?

That I'm Greek.

Interesting.

I've been told we are Greek, but I don't know for sure.

So do you know anything about where you're Greek?

No, no, nothing.

I know nothing, but I was told once that we were Hungarian.

I was told we were Greek.

Okay.

That's it.

Maybe it sounds Greek.

Like Jon Stamos, the OS, and the AS, it sounds Greek, so I'm leaning towards Greek.

Okay, no.

I mean, that could be cool.

We're like probably cousins or something.

That would be crazy.

So are you mostly Greek?

No.

What's your main one?

White.

From where?

I think it's like, yeah.

Okay.

English and Scottish.

My biggest fear is to be just English or Scottish.

You know, just like so boring, you know, which I probably, maybe I am.

Maybe not.

Have you been to Europe?

Yeah, I've been to London twice.

I did Celebrity Big Brother, and that I was there for in 2017.

So that was it.

That was me.

And I've been to Greek.

I've been to Amykonos.

Oh, okay.

And Dubai for a minute to go to the mall.

I've been a little bit.

I traveled for like a year and then that was it.

I haven't been too many places.

How about you?

I've never been to Greece.

I've been to Europe.

I did Spain, France,

Germany.

Oh.

Spain, France, Germany.

Did I miss anyone?

Italy.

What?

Would you go with your kids or did you?

No, I went by myself.

I actually, my friend canceled on me last minute.

And because we, understandably, like looking back, I'm like, okay, like you didn't want to be involved with my relation.

Like, I was in a a really toxic relationship and she was like I can't support you through this so she canceled I think like the day before two weeks before and I went anyway it ended up being like one of the most incredible trips for me but I was like I'm glad that I went like I tried chicken liver I tried like all kinds of different you love it

no it was good but then she told me after what it was because I like met random people there and she was like do you want to try something and I was like yeah so she spread it on bread and I ate it and then she's like do you want to know what it is and she was like it's chicken liver oh you had the spreadable kind that's so interesting my husband cooks it, but it looks more like little meat pieces.

Do you eat it?

No.

No.

I'm very picky.

I'm very picky.

I like like chicken fingers.

And so I can't eat like.

Well, speaking of chicken fingers, are we going to ever bring back chicken fingers in life though?

I am working on music.

It's so funny because, like, I always had pop star dreams.

Have you ever wanted to be a singer, pop star?

Yeah, I think about it all the time.

Do you?

Why don't you do it?

Well, when I heard your album, I was like,

Kristen, do you think I have a chance?

And she was like, you could.

Do you sing?

Absolutely not.

Really?

You don't enjoy it?

No, I do, but when I turn the music all the way up only, because that's when I sound the best with them.

You couldn't sing right now.

No.

Everybody can sing.

What should we sing?

Yeah.

What song do you like?

I love singing.

I don't sing either.

I'm not like a good singer, but I love singing.

Okay, what song should we sing?

I feel like we have very different music tastes, maybe, or maybe not.

Who's your favorite?

Like, name someone that you like.

Oh, my God.

Donnie Osmond.

Showtunes.

Dear Evan Hansen.

I don't know them.

Like, I know who Donnie Osmond is, obviously, but I have.

Do you know the Dear Evan Hansen soundtrack?

Like, the Hansen Brothers, like, mmb.

Like, Ben Platt Tony Award-winning musical.

I'm so surprised by this.

Wait, wait, okay, tell me something you like.

Maybe we can warm it up.

Sam Smith.

Oh,

hmm.

I don't know if I know their music.

Oh, okay.

I like know them.

I don't know.

Sam Smith is one person.

Oh, right.

Non-binary, I think.

Probably.

Yeah, that's why I said they.

Oh,

I am pretty sure.

Yeah.

Okay.

But I love them.

Okay.

And has that Samsworth?

Yeah.

Yeah.

But that sounds like a song.

I feel like, oh, we both love Britney.

Well, we both love Brittany.

Okay, so what's a Britney song?

So on tour, I've been walking out to Piece of Me.

Love that song.

But that's not one that we can like sing with the vocals, right?

We need something with acoustic.

Like that one is

Miss American Dreams.

Wait, you sound just like her.

It's your song, basically.

It's kind of our song.

It's our anthem.

No, it is.

Yeah, that's a good one.

Can you tell me how to make an album?

Like, what do I do first?

Can I do it on my podcast equipment?

Oh my God, you could do it on your iPhone these days.

Like, it's actually so easy to do an album.

But how do you like put it out and make money?

That I don't know.

I put it out and lose money.

I spend so much money on my music production.

My music videos are so expensive.

But yeah, that's easy too.

You can just upload it to like, where do I blood my symphonic?

I don't know.

I don't know if that's still a thing.

Soundcloud?

Like a SoundCloud wrapper?

You could.

I know, like, you, there's like distribution sites, like, I have Symphonic, and you just upload it, and it like blasts it out everywhere to TikTok.

To, I think, all my songs are on TikTok now, iTunes everywhere.

Um, and people can stream or buy, but I think it's kind of hard to make money unless you like sell a lot.

I never sold a lot.

Itunes or something, yeah.

You know, I've only ever made like a couple thousand like a year doing it, so it's it wasn't lucrative for me.

But, like, Tana, she like made a ton of money.

She said, I think hers went like platinum or something.

She changed.

She made music?

Oh, my God.

Yeah, that's kind of iconic.

It was kind of around the same time I did it, but she's a lot younger than me.

But she, yeah.

I didn't know that.

Yes.

Because I followed the canceled.

I follow the canceled podcast.

You do.

Okay.

I know exactly who they are.

I love Brook, love Tana.

I didn't know she made music.

Yeah.

She has one.

It's like, fuck on your bitch like I'm Hefner.

I'd take 10% like I rep her.

Like she was like a rapper.

She's like, method W, taking W's.

Like, that was her.

I love that.

She was like a little rapper for a minute.

She should, she should take that back up.

Yeah, we had talked about doing a song because I really do love her.

I hadn't, I've always known her for so long.

And only since we started doing the podcast did I like get to to know her more and I really love her.

But yeah, her music was kind of a, kind of iconic back in the day.

But your chicken freaky.

Yes.

It sounded, it was getting Britney Spears.

That one is probably my most popular.

I do love that one.

That was a good one.

It had a hit.

Yeah, that was in 2017.

I just love it because you know you want to be.

I don't know, a pop star.

You want to be Britney Spears.

So yeah, that video actually was inspired by Britney the music video.

It was inspired by her criminal one.

It has all the same outfits she wore.

Everything.

I love it.

Actually, there's a guy in the video that was in a Britney video, and I met him on Tinder.

His name was Kevin.

Yeah, he was in a Britney music video.

I think that's why I wanted him.

You have lived 100,000 lives in 36 years.

Yeah, I kind of have.

I kind of love it.

I love that for you.

Do you know how many stories you're going to be able to tell your kids?

So many.

I mean, not like you.

You have like three or four memoirs already.

But you're, I mean, making music videos.

Are you kidding me?

Like, I need to.

No, I have to make one.

You just have to tell me.

I don't know how to do it.

It's super easy.

And I use the same guy.

He has like a production company.

He's named Andrew Valentine.

He's like a, he's a big director now, but he has a production company and he does all the work.

And you just like show up.

It's a little expensive, but

it's worth it.

It is worth it.

I do it for the experience.

Yeah, I had to like tone it down since I had kids because I was literally spending like millions of dollars on these videos.

I was like, Let me save some for right for sure.

I don't know if I'll spend, I don't know if I could do the music video, but I would definitely record and see what happens.

I'd probably need a lot of auto-tune, I think.

I think everyone does.

Yeah, I think everyone does so much auto-tune.

I do too.

I sound great, but they do auto-tune for sure.

After you could have fooled me, truly.

Do you ever watch any of your old content?

Uh, never, never.

Oh my gosh.

I don't even watch my new content.

Like, I hate hearing myself back.

I hate it.

Do you?

No, I don't.

I don't.

You don't watch a teen mom.

Not with your kids, be like, look at mommy.

No, if it comes up on like social media, I'll obviously be like, oh, wow, like I remember that.

But other than that, I don't, I can't.

I don't even listen to my podcast back.

Yeah, no, same.

Like, I can't.

If you ask me if I said something and you, I have no idea.

But if you tell me I said something, I'm like, okay.

That's why when you're like, your name's not true.

I'm like, I probably said that at some point, but

don't know what, why, or when I would have said it.

Do you have a memory problem at all?

I do.

Same.

And it only developed recently.

I wonder if it's like a mom brain thing or something.

Because I always had a really good memory.

And certain things I remember exactly.

Like, I can tell you what I weighed, how much money I made.

But then there's like certain things that, like, literally, oh, you said this like last week.

I'm like, did I?

I have no idea.

No, literally, same.

I wonder what that is.

I thought it was anesthesia, like the problems from anesthesia.

Wait, when did you have anesthesia last?

When you had your surgeries?

Yeah.

Yeah.

So you

now.

Oh, you had C-section with your twins.

Yeah, but I didn't get fully knocked out.

I just did the

anesthetic.

Okay.

Yeah, same.

I guess they can't really put you out.

Can they for a C-section?

Yeah.

If you freak out, they will just knock you out.

They kept missing the epidural, and they're like, I'm like, you guys, they're going to have to stop because I'm about to pass out from this.

And then they're like, well, we can put you under.

But I guess the father can't come back if you're put under, which is so weird.

They said he wouldn't be able to be there for the birth if I was like put under.

I'm like, all right, try it again.

Like they did the epidural like five times.

I have a, I had a huge bruise like this big on my back and they kept like missing it.

For a regular birth or just a C-section.

And my first one, always scheduled for a C-section.

No, my first one, I tried not to vaginally deliver.

And what happened?

Just got stuck.

Her face was like really squished.

She came out looking like a ninja turtle because her face was so squished in there.

I pushed for like three hours.

I don't know if it's like, you're supposed to push that long, but I was like pushing three hours straight.

And they kept changing nurses.

And then finally, like, the doctor's like, oh, we should probably get you in for a C-section.

And I was like, that would have been, and it was so much easier.

Like, I'm a C-section mom and I like stand by it.

I'm like, honestly.

And then the second time, it was like a 10-minute thing.

The baby was out.

No contractions, no laboring, nothing.

And I was like, so much easier.

Wow.

You did vaginal?

Yeah, I did.

All of my kids were vaginal except for the twins.

But I went into labor on my own and then did a C-section.

Oh, interesting.

Yeah, because they wanted to schedule a C-section, but I didn't like any of the dates that they were giving me.

So I was like, I just,

let's just do it on my own.

It wasn't a scheduled C-section because there was something wrong.

I mean, one of the babies was breach, but it was more so just because it was like twins.

And I think that's what they typically do.

Yeah.

So I was like, let's just go into labor on my own,

which I did.

And then I asked them, could we just wait 15 more minutes so that it's like on us the date that I like?

And they were like, no.

They're born on October 29th, but I wanted it 15 minutes later for October 30th.

Why did you want October 30th?

I just feel like that's like a more like whole number, like 1030 versus like 1029.

My husband's birthday is 1029.

Really?

I love it.

In fact, next year, I was like, should we try to get pregnant on Valentine's Day so we can have a baby around your birthday?

Yeah.

And I love that birthday.

And he's always loved it too because it's around Halloween.

So you can have like kids' Halloween party, you know what I mean?

Like, they weren't due till December.

Oh, so do all twins come early?

All twins come early.

I don't think so.

But you went into labor early.

Yeah, but I also, they were, my twins were, um, so my original due date was 12, 5 was December 5th.

Wow.

They were five and six pounds at

five and a half weeks early.

Oh my God, that's so tiny.

Were they in the NICU?

Yeah.

For how long?

Valley was in the NICU for three weeks and Verse was in the NICU for just a couple days.

Oh, my God.

And you can't be there.

No, I did.

I went every single day.

Oh, God.

That's so scary.

Yeah, it was hard.

It was hard.

But, I mean, now they have a Halloween birthday, which is really cool.

Yeah.

And you can have costumes and stuff around their birthday.

Yeah.

I think it's the best.

And like you said, Scorpio is like so awesome.

Well, so I conceived Lincoln on Valentine's Day and then I gave birth to him in November.

That's what Travis and Courtney happened to.

Everyone said Valentine's Day, you'll get a Scorpio in October.

And I was like, okay, we're going to try.

He doesn't want another third, but you know, I'm going to be like, let's try.

He doesn't want a third?

no I think he's like done I think I'm done too but um next year's also year of the snake and Chinese zodiac and he's also a snake and and Elvis was a dragon I'm a dragon so I was like it's so rare to have a kid the same year because it's once every 12 years so I was like it's a year of the snake and it's your you know we should just try your year and if not we'll be done yeah you know but I don't know we'll see but I don't say birthday I don't think people believed you when you said you were gonna name your kids Malibu and Elvis I don't think people believed you that's crazy because I've been saying it for so I'm I was literally like the original Jojo C Wa where I was saying it at like 20 years old I'm like this is my my baby's name.

Do you know what I mean?

And then it always was going to be, and everyone else I've been with that I even like thought about kids with, they were like, absolutely not.

Those are not our kids' names.

So I should have known right there that I weren't the one.

And Malbo and Elvis, most of like, absolute, those were the like two that he like loved.

He had like, yeah, there was a lot he like didn't like, but he like loved.

Was Elvis for a girl or a boy?

Elvis was always in my head, I thought boy, girl, right?

Like you think, oh, I'm gonna have a boy, I'm gonna have a girl.

But with when she came and when we found out we were putting the second one before we knew the gender, it's like it's gonna be Elvis because we just thought we're gonna be done with two, which we probably, I probably should be.

You know, but

yeah, because naming babies is so fun.

Like that's why I wish I had seven.

I could name seven babies.

That'd be so great.

I mean, you could get dogs.

I'm not a dog person.

Okay.

I'm just a little, I can't take care of dogs, ironically.

Like for me, babies were a little easier than dogs.

They're a lot of work.

Well, so I will actually agree with that because babies go in diapers like they shit in diapers, but when you're potty training a puppy, I mean, you have to clean that up out on the floor.

You know what I mean?

And for life, they never potty train, which is like like crazy.

And like, you said, you have to go like pick it up with your, I only had a dog for one day.

And then thankfully my mom, you know, took it, adopted it, whatever from me, um, because it was gifted to me.

And I was like, I'm living in an apartment.

And I was like, I've never had a dog in my life.

So I was like, my mom took it.

And now my sister has it.

But yeah, the idea, I didn't know how it worked.

I was feeding it throughout the night.

I just kept feeding it because it would make noise.

I'm like, here's some food.

Like, I don't know.

You know, it was so bad.

But dogs are way harder than babies.

Peter's going to come for you.

I know.

Don't gift people dogs.

That's like the worst.

Oh, that is really weird.

Yeah.

Like, don't get animals in general, I feel.

No, that's so weird.

I think I might have mentioned once because like he wanted a dog.

So I was like, yeah, I would love a dog together if we had a house.

And then like one day it just shows up and then he leaves it there.

And I'm like, oh.

And sign up for this.

Yeah.

I was like, no, thank you.

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Do you ever get mad when your old content resurfaces at all?

Uh,

god, it depends.

I guess if it's something like problematic, I'm like, God, I wish it would go away.

Yeah.

Um, but thankfully, it's usually like funny moments, or people can like laugh at things now because they can look at it as a more light-hearted.

Yeah, yeah.

Um, yeah, how about you?

Do you like, because you're like documented for life and you have like no control over like teen mom and stuff.

So do you like like cringe or?

Yeah, no, I cringe.

I, I, you know, there's things that I've, I've not been, been proud of and I've apologized for over the years.

And it's like one of those things where it's like, you know, I want to grow.

I want to evolve.

But how do I navigate this when am I?

Do I apologize again?

I think forever.

Yeah.

That's kind of how I am.

I feel like when things resurface, it's just got to keep, you know, keep.

I never try to hang on to it because it's like, okay, like, obviously you can't like live in the past.

But if people get mad about it, I think it's just one of those things that you're stained with forever.

Yeah, you know, just keep apologizing or not.

You know, there's people who are just like, I apologize once and I'm not doing it again.

And I respect that too.

But for me, I'm someone who's always, I think we talked about this.

I'm just always apologizing, even if I'm not even like in the wrong, I'm like, I'm sorry.

Just, you know, like, I just want to be okay and cool with everyone, and especially the internet, especially when you're a different person, you know.

Oh, yeah.

I was listening to the call her daddy thing where you were talking about like change and evolution that people change.

I would agree.

I don't think all people do change, but I think that a lot of people can't change.

Oh, yeah.

Some people are just awful forever.

yeah

i think it takes a while too to like actually see if someone's changed like even me it's only been like a few years since i haven't been like

you know diabolical so i think it's like people are like okay we'll see if it lasts but obviously being a parent changes you like so much too you know i mean it's different when you're like so young but i do think you don't want to embarrass your kids so you kind of tighten up a lot easier and also like you have yeah oh yeah like for sure i i had to when i like found out i was pregnant i was like you know what i need to like make sure i can control my emotions for the kid too.

You know what I mean?

For your babies, too.

I know so many people who grew up with them.

I have borderline personality disorder.

So many people who have like grown up with moms like that, they're like, it was the worst.

And she was awesome.

I actually brought that.

I wrote that down.

Oh, okay.

Let me pull this up.

That's so quick.

You have so many.

I love, for so, I love that you have the cards too.

I love those cards.

It's very talk show vibes.

Well, that's like what the vibe was.

You know what I mean?

I was like, I'm going to be a talk show host.

Oh, did you love it too?

Were you, do you want to be a talk show host?

Yeah, and just like a host in general for like awards or like do commentary.

I mean, I'm not that funny, but if I was to do like a commentary on carpets or or something or just like ask people about themselves,

I love doing that.

How do we get those jobs?

Like, I don't know.

I've been trying for a long time.

Every podcast I mentioned, I'm like, I would love to go to the Emmy's.

I would love to go to the ASCII.

Like, that is the dream job.

But there are people who are doing it.

Like, TikTokers are doing it.

And I'm like, and just the most random, not random, but like kind of random.

And I'm like, how do we do that?

We've been around for a long time.

I know.

I've been trying for 18 years.

I'm like, wow, I'm so jealous and impressed by these people.

So I did write down the BPD stuff because I don't know anything about it.

Please tell me about it.

I know I thought it was bipolar disorder.

And then my my friend Bone told me that it was borderline personality disorder.

Yes.

Not to be confused with DID.

Yeah, there's all of those kind of get confused with each other, including myself.

I was very confused.

For a long time, I thought I had a DID.

I thought I was like disassociated identity disorder.

And I thought that.

No, I actually found out I was borderline in like 2019.

It's the first time I ever heard of it.

I have not self-diagnosed.

No, no, no, no.

I was in three mental hospitals in 2019.

So I was, they would give me pills and then I would get out.

You know, I was on an involuntary hold for like 72 hours.

So they give you pills, but they don't really tell anything.

So by the second time I was in the mental hospital, I was like, you know what?

I should probably get this like looked at.

So I did go to lots of therapists, but the one here in actually in West Hollywood,

he was the first person to be like, I think you have traits of borderline.

And so I didn't really, you know, I didn't really like delve too deep into it.

And then he recommended me these DBT classes, which is like a group therapy for borderline.

Where it's kind of like everyone sharing their story for borderlines.

And that helped tremendously.

And then in 2020, Dr.

Drew kind of reaffirmed it.

So, like, this doctor had told me, like, you know, you have traits of it, but I wasn't like

to get a diagnosis, it's not like you get medication for it.

So, it's kind of like you have traits of this.

So, I was like, all right.

I've been also told I had traits of bipolar.

So, I wasn't, and I got medication for it, but they don't give me medicine, at least for me, for borderline.

And then, Dr.

Drew, I saw in 2020 and he kind of like reaffirmed it.

And I was like, oh, I actually went to like borderline classes.

I went to like the DVT classes, like, um, all that stuff.

So, it kind of was like double confirmation.

Dr.

Drew is obviously not my doctor, but he is great.

He is a doctor.

But I think like legal purposes, like, I am not treating you.

And I was like, yeah.

She's like, I'm not diagnosing you, but

traits.

And I'm like, but I have been diagnosed with it.

And yeah, but you know, the whole self-diagnosis, people get mad at when people say it.

It's like, I think so few people get help.

And so they see people like me or anybody with borderline like, oh, that sounds like me.

And I feel like it's not necessarily a bad thing because it's not something like you're harming anyone by diagnosing yourself.

If you're like, that's probably what I have.

I have emotional outbursts.

I have this, like, at least you're aware of it.

And then when I talk about how I regulate my emotions, maybe they're like, oh, I can also do that because, you know, because therapy is expensive, you know, to get a diagnosis, it's expensive.

So I don't know.

A lot of people get shit for like self-diagnosing themselves, but I'm like, at least they're aware they have like a problem, you know.

Well, I, when you started talking about it, I was like, do I have this?

Yeah, I think a lot of people, right, like start thinking that when you hear it.

Yeah.

Have you ever gone to therapy?

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.

I've been, Dr.

Drew had told me to maybe do the EMDR therapy where they like use the clicker to like reprogram program your brain.

Oh, in wait, why?

What is so?

It basically is like the like retraining your brain for how, like, the traumas that you've experienced.

EMDR is a psychotherapy technique that helps people process distressing memories and heal from trauma.

Wow.

So he had suggested that to me, but like I said, I live in Delaware, so it's really hard to have resources like that.

I would have to like go to New York or maybe even New Jersey, something like that.

But I don't have access to that.

You know what I mean?

But that's close.

And you come out here a lot.

I feel like you could.

Yeah, I just don't know how regularly it needs to be, needs to be done.

Like, I don't know if it's like a weekly thing or a monthly thing or, but so is BPD genetic or is that like trauma

induced?

Is that the right word?

Is it trauma-induced?

I think

I don't know.

On this one, I think it's usually a trauma-like response.

Yeah, it's usually something that's developed.

So, what is it though?

Um, borderline personality, like it's a personality disorder, so it's not I don't feel like there's anything wrong with you.

Yeah, I feel like a lot of people are like mentally ill and they're fine.

You know, they're like functioning.

But I think

there's a lot wrong with me.

There is a lot wrong with me.

Not to say borderlines, there's anything wrong with them, but there is a lot wrong with me.

And I think it did kind of stem, because as far as I know, no one in my family has it.

Okay.

But they're also not people who like believe in therapy, really.

So they definitely could and they just don't know.

Yeah, I think it just comes from.

Trauma.

Drama, abuse, like, you know, stuff like that.

Like, and so much of me working through it, like,

I haven't really done therapy until 2019.

So I was like 31 when I started.

Is kind of what we were talking about, kind of like remembering so many things of the past, which didn't seem traumatic.

And you're like, oh my gosh, maybe that's where it stemmed from.

You know, like it was kind of like this like response.

So

not being able to control my emotions, you know,

there's like another.

Would your spending be part of it?

Or no, is that not really?

I asked Dr.

Drew.

That's so funny.

That's like more of like a personality addiction.

Like I called it something where it's like, so it's like spending, eating.

Those are all like personality addictions more so than, but maybe it's more for me, it's more like I hyper fixate, I split, I hyper fixate on people.

So, like me, I could like go on one date with a guy, and I just like that person becomes my world.

I'm like, we're getting married, we're having kids, you know, like it's very that kind of stuff.

Um, my biggest BBT

trait is just I could never control my emotions.

Like, oh my god, I would see red, you know, and it wasn't like an anger thing, it was almost like a blackout or disassociating where I would just get triggered somehow and I just couldn't control myself.

So I like lash out.

I have like a nasty tongue.

You know, I would just, I would go nuts and it kind of, it elevated.

I was very, um,

I don't know what the word is.

Like I just, I would just black out and just go absolutely insane.

And I just don't remember so much of it.

And then people would tell me stories.

Oh, this is what happened.

Some of it was real.

Some of it wasn't, you know, so some people would like.

say, oh, like, you know, she was so crazy.

She crashed her car in my house.

But there was like no police report.

But for so long, I believed that.

And I just was like, you know what?

This is part of my story.

I'm going to own up to it.

that's what i did and then like when you come to which has been only like the past couple years for me i'm kind of like but did that happen and do they happen some of these things did they actually happen did you actually crash your car into someone's house i don't think so i don't know someone said that about you why would they say that um to be like you're crazy you need help you did this and i think

That's insane.

Like the thing is, I remember my car being over at that person's house, but like I don't remember a crash.

I don't know.

I had a dent on my car, but was it from that?

I don't know.

And there's been other instances where people like tell me something happened and I kind of just go with it.

Some things I remember, some things I don't.

And then some things you're like, did that happen?

Did I hallucinate?

Because I had a lot of hallucinations too.

And I was just like, it's such a, it's such a weird thing.

It's such an interesting thing.

Yeah.

I don't, I don't know if the people talk about the BPT a lot.

So I, I have no idea about it.

And I, that's why I was so curious about it.

I wrote so many questions down.

Yeah.

Yeah.

What led to the diagnosis?

Just talking to the doctors?

I think so.

I think it was, I remember it was 2019.

So I had like a really harsh breakup.

I had really bad cancellations cancellations on YouTube.

Like everybody was like doing videos about me all at the same time.

It was like Nicocato said I ghosted him.

PewDiePie made a video about me.

There was just so many like awful videos being made about me.

And I was like, God, I can't control myself.

Like I literally was just like hyperventilating, crying hysterically like on Instagram live, just like.

going and saying word to the point of people calling wellness checks on me so i was like i should probably just talk to someone and i would i remember going into the therapist office it was like may 10th or 2019 and i was just like i can't get a control i can't get a handle on myself like i'm actually like spiraling and the first thing he suggested was just like stop going on social media, like reading comments.

Cause like I just couldn't for so long.

And it was hard.

I couldn't break it because I was like addicted to that, you know?

And it's like, but it did help.

As soon as I was like able to like not really get on my phone, it did help so much, at least for a little bit.

How does Moses handle?

BPD or any sort of mental health struggles that you may have?

He was like not aware of it at all.

Like he became quickly aware when we started dating.

And we, like, I mentioned, we were like having, we had a really tumultuous like beginning of our our relationship because he just like wasn't aware and I I was I would do things like threaten to kill myself, you know, like those kind of things just so dramatic.

I you know, stopped him from leaving my house.

Like stuff that is embarrassing to talk about, but the only reason I do talk about it is because like I can at least show that you can get better.

Like if you're going, but

what it was is like I like would test people, right?

Like I'm like, oh, God, I'm going to push him away, see if he like stays, whatever.

And like I, when people would stay with me, I was like, oh, they love me, you know, whatever.

So I keep doing it.

I keep pushing people.

So it's definitely a lot of tests.

And I also don't like condone people staying in these kind of relationships because honestly, it is like abusive.

Yeah.

And like, you shouldn't have to put up with it.

But Moses did.

And

to some degree, there was a time where he like blocked me and like didn't see me for like two months.

You know what I mean?

Like he definitely didn't put up with it all the time.

But he did come back around and

I was trying to get better and I would have moments.

And when he understood,

and I want to say, it's all back to Dr.

Drew, I want to say it was like a podcast I did with Dr.

Drew where he was talking about these things, where Moses kind of more understood, like, oh, this is a real thing.

Because Dr.

Drew was the first, shout out, Dr.

Drew, by the way, first person ever on YouTube to like understand and like explain where I was coming from, where everyone else was like, Trisha's crazy.

And when he did that for me, like, stood up for me, I was like, holy shit, he got it.

And honestly, I think Moses got it then too, because he never knew anyone with like a mental illness, especially not as extreme as mine.

And so he just went to therapy with me.

So we went to like a couple's therapy and just try to explain it, like try to work through it.

So he understood triggers, where before he thought it was me just wanting to control the conversation.

If I was like, we need to stop talking about this, he's like, stop controlling the conversation.

And I was like, no, like, it's actually going to cause me to snap.

And that's when I would snap.

So he started to learn about triggers and when to like stop and, you know, so and boundaries.

We had to set all these things that I wasn't familiar with.

So he just worked with it, worked with me on it for like a couple months.

And he proposed like a couple months like into that.

And that's when I really was like, like, okay, I need to, I was on Xanax.

I was on the stuff.

I was like, you know what?

Let me really, really try to like get myself together.

And yeah, it was like, it was the beginning stages of it.

No, good for him, though.

Good for you.

Because I feel like no matter what your status is on like social media or anything like that, it can take such a toll on you to like

be around someone that has mental illnesses or mental health struggles.

It's like, it can take a toll on you.

It's a lot.

It's so much.

If you're mentally well or mentally unstable, it's just a lot for anyone.

And I think I look back to my depression, like about a year and a half, like full-on depression.

Like I would go take my kids to school, come back and go to sleep.

I'd sleep all day.

Like it was just like I was showing up where I needed to be and that is it.

Like I had nothing to give anyone.

I was literally showing up and doing the bare minimum.

And like I look back and I'm thinking about all the people who picked up my slack and I just think about how much that took a toll on them.

You know what I mean?

And they don't have to stick around, but they did.

And so then you, I feel like eternally grateful.

For sure.

You start being like, wow, people like really love me.

Like I should probably probably try to love myself somehow.

Yeah.

And then love them back.

Right.

But who was it?

When freaking.

Also, Elisha picked up a lot of the slack.

I was, you know, I was pregnant.

Elisha was really there.

I had a nanny at the time for my, for my little ones.

Okay.

And then, you know, Kristen, she, she runs the behind the scenes of all my businesses.

And so it was like really just like making sure that I showed up where I at least needed to be.

Even if I'm just like there and doing what I just have to do, I didn't do anything extra, but like they truly picked up where I was lacking.

That's like, that's like a big fear of mine is like like if I had like another episode or a spiral with my kids, you know, and I did early on on Malibu, I think like in the first three to six months, like I had breakdowns.

I would like lock myself in the bathroom so like she wouldn't see it, but I was like in there for like six hours and Moses didn't know what to do because he's like trying to care for this baby and I'm like locking myself in there.

And it was, it's like such a dark thing when you're a parent and going through it.

And it's like, like, yeah, where do you like turn to?

You have to be a parent, but like you're also dealing with something that you don't know how to deal with.

I get so, so, so scared.

Like if something happens, I get so nervous about going back into a depression because I do think that one was sort of related to being pregnant, being not like newly postpartum.

And then I had the back-to-back three babies back to back.

And so I definitely think that that was a big part of it.

But I get so nervous about slipping back into that depression because if it happened once, it's possible to happen again.

And so, like, I get so scared, especially when you have kids.

Like, I get it.

Completely get it.

Yeah.

And it's like, because no matter what, like it has to trauma, it could traumatize them in some way, right?

Like, even if you like remove yourself to go get help I mean they're still like where is mommy you know like it is yeah it's it's it's very scary and I don't think it's like talked about enough I feel like people don't talk about it because people are so whenever I talk about it like not connecting with my daughter the first like year of her life everyone's like oh my god what a terrible mother bro I was like I didn't I wasn't connecting I wasn't like I don't know what I did you know what I mean but and people are so judgy but I feel like it's such a like a real thing we have that in common I had a really hard time connecting with my fourth son and I have been pretty open about it but um you know my son's dad uses against me on a regular basis And it's like, I you weren't pregnant, so like maybe you shouldn't speak on it.

Like, you don't know what that's like, and obviously, it doesn't change how much we love our kids, you know what I mean?

But it's just like it's a real thing and it's an imbalance, it's not something that we can control.

Why would a mother ever wish to not connect with their child?

I wanted my whole life to be pregnant, and then the minute she came, I was just like, I think this was a mistake.

Like, I can't be a mom.

Like, it was like so scary.

It was like, Yeah.

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People are so, it people are the worst, especially when it's your partner.

I can't even imagine.

Like, Moses was very like sympathetic and he like understood and he like researched everything he could about it.

Um, and thank God I had him and like my mom and stuff.

But yeah, it's people are doing it alone.

I mean, that's why there's you know, those women who have like go into psychosis.

No, I was pregnant alone.

Like, he wasn't supportive, you know what I mean?

So it's like, I understand how they go, you know, how it happens.

And you did it by yourself, basically.

I mean, if it wasn't for, you know, I had help at that time,

Kristen and stuff.

But so important to ask for help too when you need need it.

Oh, for sure.

And I think a lot of times people struggle with that.

Yeah.

It's way easier said than done.

Oh, because people are like, and including me before I had kids, like, oh my God, you have a nanny, like, you're so lazy or whatever.

But like, you need, everyone needs help.

Yeah, to like work, you have to have some sort of daycare.

You can't do, you can't, you just can't do it all.

Um, okay, so if you had to go back and get a regular job, would you go back to making smoothies or would you pick something else?

Definitely not smoothies.

Have you ever done barista or anything like that?

Oh my god.

I did coffee bean at Yahoo.

I did de-lush at Hollywood and Highland.

I was doing that.

It's just the worst job for me personally because I'm just not.

First, I'm just not good at like cooking or anything, but like measurements and like I'm just not.

I would honestly rather be a stripper.

Like shout out to the people at Jambaj's.

I love Jamaj's and it's just like, it's actually way harder.

I'd rather just open my legs for dollars.

You know what I mean?

Like it's just, it was easier for me.

And

yeah, it's a hard job.

Service industry is like the hardest job.

I will always tip like 50% because I'm like, I don't know how people do it.

I did it for such a short time and it was the hardest thing in the world.

Oh, it's so hard.

Where's your dad now?

My dad and I are really close.

He's so good with my daughters.

He's in Southern California.

Oh, okay.

Yeah, he's always lived here.

I was born here in Niverside.

He's always lived here.

We lived in Illinois for like 15 years, but

we weren't like super close growing up.

I saw him like once a year for like Christmas, Christmas, and like sometimes in the summer.

And then we didn't talk when I was like 17 to like 21.

But now we're close because honestly, because of Moses again, like he really, really loves Moses.

And Moses like called him to ask permission to marry me, which was like crazy because he didn't know like my relationship with my dad was like a little rocky.

But like ever since then, my dad like really loves Moses and we've become really close.

And since having my daughters, my dad's like so good, which is like so weird because he always had anger problems when I was little and he was always like kind of mean.

And now he's just like so like laughing and jolly.

I was like, who is this person?

Like it's so weird, but it's nice to see.

And yeah, we're really close.

So he's not with my dad in the meat, the meat freezer, the locked freezer.

Did you see that episode?

What I met with?

Oh, I met my dad.

I met my dad for the first time on Teen Mom and I was 17.

On TV?

Yeah.

Oh my God, that's why.

And he had a lock on his freezer.

Why?

What was in it?

He claimed me.

Did you ask him to open it?

No, I think I did.

I think it was off camera, but I was like, oh my God.

Wait, that's what I had my dad come on a TV show with me when I was 18 because we weren't talking and I was trying to be famous.

I was on the Greg Baron show and there was a therapist on there named Dr.

Stacey Kaiser and they're like, can we meet with your dad?

And he like came on and he was like, well, I just never get to see my daughter, so that's why I'm here.

But it was like a big, like, it was like therapy at 18.

I really did want to be a teen.

I'm telling you, I wanted to be like drama, like teen mom.

I'm like, I need my own show.

I need something.

So I was being raising hell, but no one cared.

At least you had cameras following you.

Which is kind of, I guess it's like a reward for like being dramatic.

I mean, I'm glad that you guys have a good relationship now.

Because I've, you know, over the years, I've seen like Rocky, not Rocky, good.

Yeah, we're really good now.

Yeah.

And I'm just glad he's like good with her.

Even when I get like annoyed or whatever, like I'm just like, you know what?

If they have a good relationship with.

the kids and that's and my daughter loves him so oh good yeah um if you go into target what's the first thing that you buy

oh my gosh god i love Target.

I love to buy clothes from Target.

If it's not Fashion Nova, it's Target.

Yeah, I know.

Target is so good.

Their sizes are very forgiving.

I can get like a double XL and they're just really flat.

I love Wild Fable.

I love like all.

I love clothes.

I will buy a ton of clothes.

I buy a ton of all my kids.

Is this from Target?

This is Fashion Nova.

Oh, it's so cute, though.

I love a Fashion, both, because they both have my size.

So I take anything that's in my size.

Skims is in my size.

It's hard to find my size.

Good American is in your size.

You know what it is, though?

Yes, but how tall are you?

5'8.

You're a little taller.

Because if I get a double XL and Good American, the pants are so long.

But get them tailored.

I'll recommend the one that I use here.

No, I'll send.

No, he'll come to you.

But you have like a style as a tail.

I don't know.

No, no, only when I come here.

Okay.

Because I'm not.

Yeah, I can't.

Yeah.

Last Google search.

God, I have to have my phone.

It's probably.

I like to see what, because the wicked is happening.

I mentioned that, and it's like, I'd like to see where Jonathan Bailey is doing his promotion because I'm trying to get on the podcast.

So I look to see where he's at usually and stuff.

I Google him.

It's usually like lyrics too.

I think on the way over, I was Googling lyrics.

I think it was to like a tick-tick boom or something like that.

I was like, and then you know the song Hot to Go?

Of course.

I didn't know it.

I just learned it on Wednesday.

Wait, what do you because that's like the most famous song in the world.

I love Chapel Room.

Obsessed with her.

Who do you listen to?

I'm so curious.

Like, current.

Current.

I love Russ.

Do you know who Russ is?

Oh, is he popular?

Oh, yeah.

I mean, I would think he was.

I love Post Malone.

Post Malone is like my.

Okay.

Yeah.

We're like.

I love to have him on the podcast.

We're a little different with the music.

Is that your dream guest?

Yeah.

Post Malone.

Do you like put it out there?

yeah, he retweeted me once, or he like responded to me on Twitter or X.

I don't know, whatever it's called.

Yeah.

I think it was his team, though.

I don't know it was him exactly, but like, I would love to have him on my podcast.

I feel like he might.

I feel like he's kind of like a podcast-friendly person.

Like, I think he's that person at social media.

I don't know.

I mean, do you think there's a chance?

I think so.

I like to put it out there.

Like, every episode, I just put out someone I really love.

Like, I would love Britney Spears, you know, just like, of course, wild guests.

Let me know Aguilera, I would have.

I feel like she's very into like social media.

I feel like she, what she is, I know we're not not so strong comments with people with bodies, but she is so skinny.

She's just a legend.

Yeah, she looks amazing.

She sings so good.

I was just like, damn.

Yeah, I used to be like always just Team Britney, and I'm like, I don't like Christina, you know, back in the day.

It was both.

See, I never loved it.

I never, it was like In Sync, Backstreet Boys, Britney Scares, and Christina.

And you love both?

Yeah, I have always loved all.

Like, it was never one or the other.

The only one I didn't really get on board with was 98 Degrees for like the boy band.

Yeah, they were like the flop.

Yeah, I felt like they were like the less than, but they were like old, too.

Like, whatever.

Right?

They weren't like in their 30s when they did that.

And we're like, okay, the other ones were like young.

Yeah, no, but like, I loved Britney and Christina and Jessica and Mandy more.

Like, I loved all of them.

There was never like

a divide for me.

Wow, that's pretty good.

That's pretty

unbiased of you to do that.

Yeah.

I do like Christina now.

Looking back at the time, I remember like, no, we're not liking Christina.

Because you're like, where Britney stands.

Yeah, but now I love her.

And she always did slay.

Last question is: if you're starving, what is the first fast food restaurant you go to?

Wendy's Spicy Chicken Nuggets.

I got them yesterday.

It was like 10 piece with extra ranch.

Oh, my God.

But you don't like sauces.

I get that.

No, I'll give you my ranch, though.

Okay, cool.

So we're besties now.

I love it.

Oh, my God.

Yes.

Thanks.

Yes.

That was like rapid fire.

I was trying.

I wasn't going to say it, but okay.

Where can people find you?

Where can people find your podcast?

Where can people find your Patreon?

Oh, my gosh.

Thank you for all of it.

Just Trish Podcasts, everywhere you listen to podcasts and patreon.com/slash just trish.

Do you have a Patreon?

I do.

Just gotta.

What's yours?

I think it's just Kale Lowry.

It's actually the best because people are so dedicated.

Like the people who like pay to join behind a paywall, they're so dedicated.

So like we do so much special content just for them because they like appreciate it probably more than the regular listeners.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So shout out Patreon.

We love them.

Perfect.

We'll put it in the description.

Yay.

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