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Welcome to the shit show. Things are going to get weird.
It's your fave villain, Kale Lowry. And you're listening to Barely Famous.
Hello, Kristen. Hello, ma'am.
I need to give you some updates some life updates some gypsy rose blanchard updates and to just let you know that i will be on tylenol and ibuprofen for the remainder of the day oh you're so this is the week of celebrating creed for his birthday because i won't actually have him on his birthday right so between the week of celebrating creed pretty much all week and booking the trip to disney we did away with the birthday parties this year as you know that being said i jam-packed this week with stuff not realizing that I am too out of shape to be doing said stuff. Okay.
So you could not have prepared me for the amount of pain that I would be in from the state fair. Why you might ask? I don't know.
The weight that was on my knees, my lower back, my head, I am in pain. So it was an extremely humbling experience.
Why was there weight on your back, your knees and your head? Well, the weight on my knees, the pain in my lower back and the pain in my head. Maybe that's a better way to say it.
Okay. I was like the weight.
I mean, it's like my own body weight that I can't handle so that being said well what's so funny is that like you know I'm friends with Jerry from the dude dads and he's like super fucking fit so I was like oh like maybe I could get fit and do like a 5k or something or like Disney half marathon again like one day and I don't know if this experience last night humbled me and made me realize that yes yes, I, in fact, need to get fit or the opposite where I never want to work out again. I think I've lived in that state for a very long time also.
I'm like, just like a lot to get. Like, it's one of those things where do I do enough to remain efficient or do I do more to be better and I'm just I'm on that line right now where I'm like so I had this great idea to like go to the state fair and then go to Dorney Park on Friday because I was like pain is an under fucking statement so now I don't be like I said i will be bringing the wagon to dorney park and i will be sitting i was gonna say for yourself for the kids um i need to double check the veer wagon weight requirements because if i fit in it i will be in it okay okay um the kids had a fucking blast we were there from like five until 11 p.m., which I also didn't expect.
You trucked it out then because the text that I got from you was at... What time did you text me? You texted me...
When I lost my phone. Well, you texted me at 6.56 p.m., so you had probably been there for what, about an hour? No, like two.
Two, okay. I already lost my phone, and Emily called it, and someone found it.m.
So you had probably been there for what about an hour? No, like two. Two.
Okay. I already lost my phone and Emily called it and someone found it.
Great. No, no, because wait, because wait, let me tell you this story about this phone.
Okay. So some of the rides, the kids can go on by themselves and some of them, there's like a height requirement where they can go on, but they need an adult.
Yes. said emily and i decided first of all emily and i brought 10 children okay i brought six she brought four we're struggling already i mean they were well behaved so i can't even i cannot even like it was truly it was fine they were they were, they were so, so, so, so good.

So that was number one.

So with everyone getting on these rides, I had to get on with Creed because of his height requirement.

So I'm like, okay, bet.

Phone falls out of the pocket.

I don't realize I, we start going on other rides.

We start splitting up and doing rides that are like across from each other.

So like, if the line is really long here, we'll wait.

One of us will wait in line with half the kids while the other just to like make it more efficient we're like three rides past when my phone fell out of my pocket and i realized oh fuck like my phone is gone and i wore like that clear bag that i have i commit to the fact that i'm not getting the phone back so i don't even i never pan once was I like, oh my God, frantic looking for my phone because I was just committed to the point that I realized it was missing because it's a fucking state fair. And let's be honest, Delaware does not always have the classiest people present.
So I knew that this phone was gone. One with the big Lowry on the back and Valley and I on the front they knew it was going to be my phone and I was never going to get it back so I don't even look for it Emily calls it and somebody who doesn't speak English answered the phone and was like talking to her and she was like I don't like she was I'm with the kids and she's trying to locate where the employee or I think it was an employee had.
It was just mass chaos. But we ended up having a great time.
The kids were great. But we we tapped out and we were ready to go.
Well, the next text I got from you was 8.58 p.m. I'm telling you right now, I'm not built for this type of activity anymore.
I said, what do you mean? You said my knees, my back. What's going on at the state fair? My neck.
My neck. And I'm struggling.
And these kids are talking about, we don't want to leave. We don't, we're not ready to go we still didn't do this we still didn't do that the rides are so rough on your body and you don't realize it i think until you're like an adult my knees still hurt from and then from walking or like was there a specific ride that really just did you in no for sure was the walking in the standing specifically.
And then the kids had camp at 8 a.m. And I'm like, this is, I don't know what I was thinking.
Like, cause the state fair is like 45 minutes from me. And then the walk to, from the parking, I've never seen, I haven't been to a whole lot of state fairs or just like fairs in general.
So I don't really have a whole lot to compare it to besides my hometown one and I always thought that fair was big this one next level the walk itself to from your car to the thing if you don't take the trolley is a good 30 minutes I wonder how many steps you did um entirely too many um so there are some updates Elisa from what she's our I don't even know how like i want to call her my friend i haven't met her yet we'll call her our barely famous friend because i haven't met her in person yet i hope to meet her at one of the shows but she went on a gypsy rose blanchard live um i believe it was on tiktok maybe she said Gypsy went live after the episode on Monday night so I'm not entirely sure if it was TikTok or Instagram but she gave me the rundown so I want to update you in case you don't know okay so this is obviously an update prior to oh wait no this is after the episode so this is after the season finale so we watched episode eight which is the final episode of gypsy rose life after lockup and this is what she had to say after the episode aired she says season two has not been confirmed and she is not filming currently the baby is not ryan's and she's not sure why he would say that she had her nose surgery on apr April 5th and she had to have a pregnancy test and it was negative, which I can attest to that. I have also had to have pregnancy tests prior to any surgeries and you'd actually be surprised how many people come back positive.
I know my cousin was getting a breast reduction surgery years and years and years ago and the test that she had to take before her breast reduction surgery actually came up positive so she was not allowed to get her test i mean her surgery um so okay that's really weird that he did that um i also haven't read these prior to reading them out loud she did she did genetic testing on the baby and it's fine thus far she's staying at her parents house until parole is over because she doesn't want to keep changing addresses which is probably smart she plans on staying in louisiana because that's where her family is which is also probably best her sister mia is the godmother and her brother no clue no clue who he is will be the godfather first of all when were we going to find out that she had a brother? Whose side is it from? I would imagine it's from Rod. But even like, so when they're in their house and you see photos, I haven't seen photos of like, brother.
I've seen a lot of like, Mia. Unless it's from not being Christy.
The thing for me, being on reality TV, watching reality TV, seeing production, like the whole nine, I feel like I completely understand those who don't want to participate in a reality TV show, right? Like I completely understand that. And that is your right.
But that being said, I think in order to paint an entire mostly true picture, it would be important for us to have learned that she had a brother.

Yeah. I feel like that.

Like you could talk about it without having him on the show.

And you could literally say like, I also have this brother, you know,

he doesn't want to participate in reality TV. And, and that's what they,

that's what they had me do prior to like having Lux and stuff.

Like we still had to talk about stuff, even though Chris wasn't on the show for a long time. Does that make sense? Yeah.
So you have to still acknowledge. And like, this is like big information because you, that's the last thing a producer or executive producer or network really wants is to see this information come out that didn't come out on the show.
Right. And like, that was Teen Mom Producers worst nightmare.
But I guess my question is, why didn't come out on the show right and like that was teen mom producers worst nightmare but i guess my question is why didn't it come out on the show that's what i'm saying like why not mention the fact that like you were excited to get to know your brother as well unless it's a stepbrother maybe it's like christy's son but not rod's son maybe i'm looking the shit now. Okay, so while you look that up, the divorce will be finalized in October.

The baby was conceived during Jazz Fest weekend.

I did hear that.

Pause right there.

It's Rod and Christy's son.

His name is Dylan.

So we're going to acknowledge Mia.

We're going to have Mia on the show, but we are not going to even mention the fact

Thank you. his name is Dylan.
So we're going to acknowledge Mia.

We're going to have Mia on the show,

but we are not going to even mention the fact that Dylan exists.

I'm so confused.

So where does he fall in the line?

So it goes gypsy.

Judging by looks, I think Dylan's older.

Okay, so we'll go gypsy, Dylan, Mia. I think.
Yeah. And it's their it's Christy and Rod's child.
Hmm. Yeah.
Okay. I'm so confused.
But like, why not mention that? That's really weird to me unless you don't mention me or me you can't you can't stop someone from mentioning something if you don't say you know what i mean like you can't do that it's really i don't know that's a good question though i'm like what in the fuck is going on i mean i need gypsy or me to come elaborate on like what's going on okay so the baby was conceived during jazz fest weekend which why are you telling people this information like we get it if he's if the child is not ryan's like that's all you have to say you don't owe anyone any further explanation i don't want to know when the baby was conceived okay like i think that is she probably felt like she had to say because of what Ryan said at the end of the episode.

Okay, well, let Ryan be Ryan because that's too much.

The ending scene, which I'm assuming is when they're in the grass like laying on each other.

Was filmed during Jazz Fest, not after she found out she had a baby and she called it bad editing. So this goes back to what I said a couple episodes ago on Barely Famous was that they will film things out of order and then put it into the order on the show that makes sense to the viewers.
Here's the issue though that I have with that. I specifically noted the outfit she was wearing in that scene and it's the same exact outfit that she took her announcement photos in.
Yeah, but that doesn't mean that the announcement was at jazz fest no but what i'm saying is it's the same setting it's the same photos it's the same outfit so did you go back to said park thing after jazz fest to go take your announcement pictures maybe oh you see what i'm saying is she's literally in the same dress that white dress situation when they're in the park and i literally thought it was like a park date type scenario and i was like oh this is interesting like weird and they had like picnic items yeah and i literally noted i was like she has to here. And this must be, must've been filmed during her announcement photo thing.
Do you think she, but, but if she's saying it's bad editing, okay. So then you literally recreated the same scenery and the same outfit to go take your birth announcement pictures.
Okay. So this is the last, this is the last update that she gave.
The show was done filming when she found out she was pregnant, and she called the showrunner,

and the end part with her pregnancy test was filmed on her cell phone,

and she was asked if she wanted to include it for the season, and she said yes.

Okay.

Okay.

So that's really interesting.

Yeah, if you go back and look, it's the same exact dress and the same exact scenery okay well let's get into the episode itself because i have some notes and i just eye-rolled i didn't love this as the season finale i think they were kind of limited on what they had to work with because really and i'm not saying this to be a dick i'm saying this just in general it's like gypsy's not really doing a whole lot other than getting pregnant there was just not she's not looking for a job she's not getting a license she's not she is not doing anything worth filming I feel it reminds me a lot of like when every Teen Mom cast member was sitting on their couch filming and doing literally nothing. It lost a lot of its luster, I feel.
Is that the saying? Yeah. It was lackluster.
Yes. If you will.
She's back with her family and she's still texting Ryan that she loves him. That to me screamed that she wanted to make sure that he was still there in the event that it fell through with Ken.
Let's let's literally just like back up. So we ended the episode seven with her like moving all of her stuff out.
She's the dog whatever so i was so confused why she left the dog i saw something part of one of her lives where she said something about her dad wouldn't let her have the dog at their house that's why she had to leave pixie so so i was like okay okay in my head right but then like let's fast forward all the way to when ken comes to visit the parents house and he brings his dog well so okay let me put my shoe let me put myself in rod and gypsy's shoes for a second prison college whatever the case may be my child goes away for a long time and they want to they need to move back home in I mean my child is a full

ass prison college whatever the case may be my child goes away for a long time and they want to they need to move back home in i mean my child is a full ass fucking adult right like i'm not telling you you can't bring your fucking dog especially a tiny one it's not like it's this like freaking mastiff it's not like it's a buddha or a karma or a fucking doberman pincher like this is a small dog um i'm not telling my child they can't bring like my adult child that they can't bring their dog so i don't know i feel like that's weird i also feel like she didn't want to bring the dog because it connected her to ryan and if she wants to eventually get a husky with ken she actually doesn't want the dog which she's not going to say she doesn't want the dog. That was also, I was thinking that the whole time, like, oh, you're going to now have this, like, pipe dream situation with Ken, so you're going to get the dog you want.
And she was just a placeholder in the meantime. Her crying in the car with Christy leaving the apartment, and I say crying because there was no tears.
I zoomed in, I paused and zoomed into the shit multiple times, and I'm you're literally dabbing dry eyes and i couldn't cringe harder and then in that conversation she's saying that she thought she tried and i'm just like where did you try she didn't try there was no like you if there was any sense of trying it was obliterated the minute that Christy told you that Ken was in the picture again. I think she'd still be with Ryan if it wasn't for Christy doing that.
I mean, I feel like yes, because she didn't want to be alone. And then if you listen to what ryan was saying at the end of the episode they were again allegedly trying for a baby this whole time and i think pregnant and blah blah blah i think that gypsy told ryan what he wanted to hear and so to him they were trying but she was never actually trying that's why she took plan b because you don't take plan b if you're trying for a baby right she was telling him all of the things that she thought he wanted to hear but ryan being surprised that ken came to visit gypsy was just like where have you been have your eyes been open i don't think they've been open um i don't understand how that's a shock but the matching tattoos was crazy especially huskies that you don't have like and that was wild for me and i i did i felt really bad for ryan because that was like a big big slap in the face to do that when you're still actively telling him like you love him and he came to visit you as a a friend and this that and the third like he came to visit you as a friend because you don't want to get caught with adultery with adultery but you're also telling him that you're going to be with ken in nine months the gaslighting was crazy that she was doing to ryan i think anybody would feel nuts i feel bad for ryan i feel bad i mean i still think he's a little awkward but like i still stand by what i said weeks ago i would love to see ryan's comeback i would love to see ryan have the sweetest form of revenge and that is just like happiness by himself or looking for a new partner so rod's out here being supportive when they like get home

from moving all of her stuff out or whatever he's like being supportive my question is if he was at home why didn't he go get her and it was her and christy oh i also wrote that down actually like why as a dad like just thinking of all the dads that i know that would never be occurring without Because Christy wants her airtime.

Also that.

Gypsy says so she's sitting there and she makes a comment and says no offense to Ryan and I literally wrote down no offense to Ryan when you've done nothing besides trash him this entire time to your family but yeah no offense no offense to Ryan but I'm going to be as offensive as offensive as possible towards ryan i was like what and then she makes the comment things were going good until the day that it wasn't going good and i'm like aka when you found out that ken was an option like no she knew um do you think that this finale will be the last time that we see ryan on reality tv if gypsy does in fact film a season two i don't think so because of the saga with she was on a live like two nights ago i think maybe which that might have been monday nights live maybe i did see it. I'm not sure.
Maybe it was Tuesday night, but she was on there explaining about what the process is for Louisiana with the baby and like what's going to happen. And basically what she said is when the baby's born, she has to get the DNA test.
And then Ryan has to sign something saying that he's not the dad. And then that's exactly what I said, what I had to do.
And that that's that's exactly what we had to do in delaware right so you had experience with that but she said something about they asked about what last name the baby is going to have and she said that if ryan is being nice he can allow the last name to be ken's last name which is Uyghur. But he doesn't have to be nice.

So... allow the last name to be ken's last name which was yuger but he doesn't have to be nice so the baby might could possibly have the last name anderson i believe so why can't it be blanchard because she's technically legally anderson but it doesn't matter you can give your kid any last name that's just by what she said on the maybe are you You can give your kid any last name.
That's just by what she said on the... Maybe...
Are you... Can you give your baby any last name and you're married? I don't see why not.
I don't know. But that's what she said on her live.
And I was like, I wonder if Ken's going to be a dick about it. Or not Ken.
Sorry. I wonder if Ryan's going to be a dick about it.
And be like, I'm not. I don't think he nice about it but if she was smart she would just do blanchard because i would imagine that she would become a blanchard again when they get divorced maybe i'm also just wondering if she's like immediately just gonna go marry ken to then take the last name yuger okay but no i it's yeah i was like oh okay um i think that in all of this can it's like it's fun and games games for him he's in it for the fame he likes the attention and i don't believe for one second that they did not have coitus.
She tells Ryan on the phone that she did not do anything like that. And I don't believe her.
Had to ask you when they're on the phone with Ryan, Gypsy sitting on the phone with Ryan, half the conversation, the stuff that was airing visually while you're hearing the audio go on was the exterior shots of the home. And I wanted to ask you, do you think that the conversation was, why were they not filming her having the conversation the whole time? Is it two conversations put together? So when we used to cut during filming, sometimes sound would still be rolling.
Or if the scene didn't look great or sound great or whatever it didn't make the cut for whatever reason they would put the conversation somewhere like that or we'd have like these things called wild lines or adr lines where say you and i are filming a scene outside by the chickens and the chickens are so fucking loud they'll and they like they missed part of the conversations or the sound was bad they'll show your face but I'm the one that's talking and you're looking like you're listening to me but they actually didn't get it so I do think there was severe editing happening there I I was wondering so I was like okay this conversation is just like weird because it comes in at like I don't want to adultery and blah, blah, blah. Then it's like, oh yeah, no, he came to visit his friend and this out of third.
Why the hell did Gypsy think it was a good idea to text a picture of her and Ken together to Ryan? What was the fucking purpose of that? Because poor, like, why would you do that? Why would you ever do that? Oh, Ken came to visit me. What? like if if you're gonna get ahead of the rumors and like you want to tell him yourself then maybe just do that and that you could leave the picture out of it i just was like i'm so confused she's texting him as if they're like bff not the fact that like your husband and wife here like what the fuck is going on that conversation we're once again fake crying there's no actual liquid coming out of your eyeballs um gypsy says during that phone call conversation that she set down a path she couldn't change even if she wanted to so i immediately said okay so she, so she's pregnant here.
Because what does that mean? The only thing that would stop you from like potentially getting back together or continuing your marriage or whatever, and it's not something that you would say even if you were just trying to give false hope, that's not something you would say. I'm like, no, you had to have been pregnant.

That's my theory.

Well, it's also weird to me that you haven't had coitus.

You said that you set down a path that you cannot change.

And in the same chair during the same day, two phone calls in the same chair in the same

scene and you're telling both of them that you love them.

Make that part of it.

Like you're saying you don't want to give him false hope, but you're telling i still love you turn around hang up the phone call with with ryan get immediately on the call with ken telling him you love him well absolutely and then telling him that you don't want to give him false hope but you keep doing it because something ain't adding up no it's not adding up but then literally in that same conversation i'm i want to divorce him i'm gonna be with ken in six to nine months and why six nine months like what a weird in my head i'm like is that how long it's she's her divorce attorney is estimating that it's going to take to be divorced or is that like the baby could be both so that was really weird i just i hate that gypsy like obviously viewers want her to be happy right like we're not wishing you know pain and and suffering on her for the rest of her life right like we want her to be happy but i hate that I can't just like shake her and be like gypsy this is not real life like you are living in la la land and what the the decisions and actions that you are doing are not real life well it's not and even Ryan says that something to that regard like she's out here like of course she had a good time with Ken because it was basically like a vacation. That's not real life.
Everything was fine with her and I when we went to New York as soon as she got out of prison. And then we come home and we're living regular life and she's not happy because she had this version of like a fantasy.
That's all she's had this entire time, I guess. Realistically speaking, she was in a prison with her mom.
She she was in a prison literally after that so she hasn't really lived in the real world like a real adult this entire time so i think you're having imaginations you're trying to put them like into effect and that's just not realistic like life is not freaking sunshine and roses all the time i will say like gypsy does seem happy talking about ken interacting with ken way happier than she ever came across with ryan i i will say that it just sucks that she you have you you know she's hurting somebody else in the process to like get a part of life is getting hurt unfortunately and so it's not so much that for me as it is like when the newness wears off and the real life sets in and you did not even get to have a real a real relationship with Ken because you immediately got pregnant. and I can speak to this because I've done it myself.
Y'all really have the odds stacked against you because between the rumors of

his sexuality and grinder,

um,

freshly out of prison again,

like not to knock her,

but like she doesn't have a job she has no source of income outside of like that we know of right like maybe social media maybe not we don't know um you're gonna go right into motherhood with this guy and i guess live separately because if you're going to stay with the parents and he's not, what is that? I don't know. It just feels like once real life sets in for them, because I have to be honest with you, I don't necessarily think that people are going to continue to be obsessed with her.
Like, i think we're all fascinated by we're all still like kind of fascinated and just like really interested in in all of this but i don't think that this is like a long-term thing no i i would agree i think that now the fascination is and the concern is coming in of like Gypsy Rose as a mom and everyone's thoughts and opinions on that. But like once you enter motherhood, you put yourself into this like block where people that might have been watching her that weren't moms and stuff, like they were interested, they were intrigued and all that.
She might lose some of that interest from people who cannot relate to her anymore. So like there's pieces of her story that I think you've said I can relate in this regard, in that regard, right? So I think that there was some relatability factor.
Putting her in the box of being a mom, it kind of I would assume eliminates like we already knew she wasn't gonna go get a regular job. I don't know about the license thing.
So it's like what is there left to highlight if all that there is to be shown is everything that entails motherhood for her at that point. Well, so do we know if she has like a team like management PR like do we know if they're setting up like a business like they're gonna get like the next thing that she does is like launch a business like are we gonna see because i think that would be more so what i would look forward to seeing from her if if the fame does not die down i want to see because she says like you knew you know my story but let's see what i do with my life you've been out for six months and you haven't really done anything like you got well you already got married in prison but you came out you left your husband after you left your husband after three months and then you got pregnant, that's what we've seen.
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So I would have liked to see just like maybe she start like starting a business or something like in the back end or something.

I don't know.

I got my wish.

Remember last episode I was saying that I saw the previews for this one and Mia was like coming back at Christy.

And I was like,

Thank you. a back end or something.
I don't know. I got my wish.
Remember last episode, I was saying that I saw the previews for this one and Mia was like coming back at Christie and I was like, oh my God, I hope they show like way more. Oh boy, did I get my wish? Oh, a hundred percent.
And I didn't, so the clip doesn't even show you the whole, I think that it was, she did a better job in the full scene, like actually saying like, she was like, oh, does she, did she need to know? Well know well then he should have been the one to tell her which is what we've all been screaming this whole time is that for christy to fucking say look gypsy dead in the face and say like oh i've predicted this the whole time this is not an i told you so moment like she's getting fucking divorced like you don't need to do that and yes and mia turns around calls her out for it and then continues going and i'm like first of all that is like a true mother-daughter fight situation right there like that is i've been in some like obviously very similar style arguments with my own mother and just shut the fuck up mom like i can't eat just stop talking and that was the point that mia was at me is like just stop talking like you're not even making sense at this point you're you're saying one thing and then you're agreeing with me so no and Gypsy is like on board because she really got what she wanted I guess I don't know and so I'm just like I I also thought that it was funny to your point of Christy always trying to get her airtime Mia literally calls her out out for Christy talking over her. She's like, I'm trying to speak.
You're interrupting me. And then I also said, honestly, how embarrassing it is when your kid has to check your behavior as an adult.
Well, and that's kind of like where I was like, what is on here because what the fuck is going on like not only has rod checked christy but now mia has checked christy the general public has checked christy and you still don't see anything wrong with your behavior you still don't see where you meddled in someone else's relationship it's in i mean you've seen i you know situations in my personal life where i have to watch or be the one to check various adults right that are like parents and i'm not the parent and i'm just like a kid in the mix as a mom yourself if isaac ever had to come check you for your behavior i feel like you'd be embarrassed as fuck i mean he did find my sex toys out one time yeah but i'm told me to make sure i wrap it up and stop leaving my sex toys out so like right and i'm sure that you not felt a certain type of way but i'm sure you're like oh my god like it's different than if i were to find them and say that to you yeah i think what just put the nail in the coffin for christy is when mia looked at her and said you've never done this to me and oh well that's a different that's a different situation it's not the same thing no it's it's not the same thing because the only reason you're doing it now is because you're on tv goes back to my point that christy loves being on tv absolutely loves it um something else that mia said that i thought was like super insightful was when she said she's like defending Ryan talking about the Ryan thing then turns around and says that like her piece about Ken like Ken is not making good decisions Ken knew she was a married woman and still Mia was saying that in her oh she was like well um you know Ken didn't respect ryan well i do have to disagree here because if gypsy doesn't respect ryan how the fuck is ken gonna respect ryan i do get that too but her saying like ken is not even helping protect gypsy even in the public sense because appearances do matter right she's in the public eye unless you want her to get shit talked about being like a cheating lying whatever when she's already had all this shit said about her nobody cares so long as it benefits them you know i do think that there have been times where ryan hasn't cared because it you know he wasn't looking at the bigger picture he was looking at you know going back a couple episodes with the um the social media thing where ryan's like this is income like that is revenue you know he i get where he was coming from but was he looking out for her best interest i don't know because he he had other motives right and so take it or leave that one christy doesn't care because it's benefiting her ken definitely doesn't care because it's benefiting ken and i truly think that gypsy's not making great decisions because she thinks all of this benefits her but i think in the end she's gonna put her foot in her mouth oh absolutely so then when they got home and she's sitting there talking to Rod and saying how, like, you know, Mia, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, the way she was speaking, just like her word selection, it really shows, again, her immaturity.
And it's like, I get it that she just got out of prison. But, like, you gotta, what are you doing to take steps to, like, advance, like, grow up? What are you...
Like, growing up does not mean getting pregnant. Growing up does not mean, like, getting married.
What are you doing to mature yourself? Learn. Well, that's what's scary because I feel like getting pregnant at this stage in her life or this phase or this like transitional period

was probably not great because not that I think that you can have a baby when you're like 100% healed I know that that doesn't happen and new things come up once you become a mom but we're talking literally eight months post prison and you're already pregnant like what does that are you she's emotionally stunted we think right and maturely maturely which is her maturity is stunted so what does that do when then you add pregnancy on top of it is the stunting prolonged truly i don't i i mean i for me i would assume yes like is she gonna mature in other areas

because she has to because she has to take care of another human being I say yes but you also have seen moms who don't step up to the challenge of that and just remain you know so I think what I would hate to see happen is that it ends up that like Like Rod and I keep almost saying Todd because that's my father-in-law.

But Rod and christy end up having to be heavily involved in the raising of this child to make up for gypsy not being ready i just that's scary not everyone is cut out for reality tv and not everyone is cut out to launch themselves into different directions from their platform from reality tv right like we've seen it you've seen it firsthand how many girls from the team on franchise actually have residual income after the show ends yeah this is not many not many Not many. Not many of them have their own businesses.
Not many of them have an education. Not many of them can go get real jobs and sustain the lifestyle they've been living.
I mean, we've seen it where they're like, oh my God, this former reality person is working as a bagger at this grocery store. They think it's's so funny to like go do that.
And I think that,

yeah, that's a fantastic thing to do or like do what some other people do. And they just back back up like into the real world.
They had their time on reality TV. They made whatever money they made and they back up in the real world and they go work a normal job.
But that's not for everybody because not everybody has the discipline and the self-awareness and the, you know what I mean? Like, I think it takes a special kind of person to leave that because reality TV in and of itself,

no matter which way you fucking look at it, is a mental illness, period, point blank.

Like, it is a mental illness in and of itself.

It creates mental illness.

It creates a lot of things.

That being said, when I go back to reality TV, I'll have to fucking move leave. But that makes me 100% mentally ill.
Right. But so I say all that to say it takes a special type of person to leave reality TV and essentially never look back.
Yeah. And I don't think that Gypsy can do that.
No. I don't.
I mean, her case is just like also just very different coming from the fact that she got famous off of like a horrific crime. So that's, you know, her story was already unique.
I need to know your thoughts. When Christy said Gypsy needed to find out who she was without anyone else.
But she't done that what does that mean you're not you were married she was dating in prison married somebody else in prison gets out of prison and goes directly to said husband also arguing with family about the time and then has not divorced her husband gets with somebody else gets pregnant moves in with parents when she leaves parents and I'm assuming when you know parole is over or Ken moves to Louisiana or Gypsy moves to Texas when will she have been by herself I was so confused I'm like are you talking about the three three week break she took from her husband and then met up with Ken in person? Is that she was alone then? Like, what the fuck are you talking about? And then she goes on to say that Ryan was selfish for marrying Gypsy in prison, but Gypsy literally fucking said it was her. So then when that angle didn't work,

she turns around and tells Rod,

what does she tell Rod?

Oh, well, I talked to Gypsy,

and Gypsy said that, like,

she didn't feel like she had a place to live after,

and that influenced her decision.

I'm not marrying someone to have a fucking place to live. And then you just made your husband feel like shit.
Okay, but here's the other thing. You've done all these documentaries from prison, after prison, TV show.
I know what people make on TikTok. I would imagine that you're getting paid for the show

what is stopping you from getting your own apartment i have no fucking idea no clue so i was like none of it none of it makes sense anything that comes out of christy why can't gypsy live by herself like what she has to have like a like a i think emma from prison bride so that she there has to be like um like a sponsor family or like a host family or something like you have to go home to somebody else maybe so if that is the case but but also too she married him for that why couldn't she just go home to her family then? Well, so that's why Christy was trying to tell Rod like, oh, well, she needed to hear you say that she could come here and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And it's like.
Well, why didn't she do that when she was in prison then? So I was so fucking confused.

And then Rod's sitting there and he literally says, I feel like a failure because Gypsy didn't feel like she had a place to go.

And I'm like, but if that wasn't communicated, like, Rod never said no.

Gypsy never asked from what it sounded like.

So.

I personally think, obviously, I hope this is not case but i but i also have experience in this gypsy is as close with christy as she is because christy's fucking messy and meddling in relationships that are too young for her to be too young and not her business to be messing in. I don't think that Gypsy and Rod will ever have the relationship that Rod wants or, or says that he wants.
I think that that no matter how much work they do to their relationship, they will never have the type of relationship that is described in the show. No, definitely i would agree um and it felt very much like he was stuck between a rock and a hard place when he was explaining his view of the situation and he's like i can't go and be like uh i can't be this strict dad and be like you can come here but you have to be home by 10 and blah blah blah blah she's an adult and she already felt like confined and trapped and stuff with her mom so i don't want to be like her mom but then where's my role and i'm like you can't win in that situation she's also 32 so you don't get if she's going to be able to come live with you then she needs to come live with you and she needs to be an adult while she comes and lives with you she's 32 years old like there is there is no fucking curfew.
Yeah. So I just was like, you know, like it's, it's almost like he thinks that he needs to make up for lost time and like be the dad that said at this big age, just be her friend.
Like you can't make up the relationship of being her father. That has sailed because of time and that's nobody's

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Also, I think part of it, whether it's subconscious or con is it unconscious or subconscious subconsciously i think her maturity plays into that a little bit and i don't know if he realizes it like are you looking are you still having this idea of like being her father because you feel like she's emotionally stunted or you guys are both sort of stuck in the past and you don't even realize it i think that he feels like she needs a good influence therefore needs a parent therefore he feels like he needs to parent her and but you can't parent her at 32 exactly not how it works that's like so difficult um when ken came to visit rod was just like the realist literally he literally said leading up to it i don't know how i feel about ken because he already broke her heart once so i'm not he said like i'm not really over the fact that he did that so then ken comes and what is he's sitting there observing the situation right christy's being a pick me like jumps up hugs him blah blah and i'm sitting there just watching i'm watching this and he was like oh yeah like glad you made it only an hour late and i was like you're such a dad you're such a dad i must have missed that because i did not hear that yeah yeah and i was like oh my god like that is definitely something my dad would have done like has to be a smart ass you know i mean if you can be late then you could take the heat too oh one thousand percent and like he already didn't like you because you broke his daughter's heart then you showed up an hour late i don't like him because i just don't like him because i think that he's a fraud i think he's a phony and I feel like I agree with you I think he's just a fraud and a phony and i feel like i agree with you i think he's just a fraud and a phony i don't it has nothing to do with breaking gypsy's heart i think he broke her heart because he's gay period i i i do agree there too i i definitely agree um can we talk about the rhinoplasty really quick? Oh, yeah.

So do all rhinoplasties get spongy like that? Like, does that happen to everyone? I'm assuming the sponginess probably comes from swelling. That made me sick to my stomach.
And I'm not, I haven't always been a queasy person person but when the doctor pressed on her fucking nose I was like I'm sick immediately about to throw up I don't know why that had the impact that it had on me but I was like does that happen to everyone your twins made you weak your twins really did you in I can't um I also wrote that um did mia also get work done because she looked different in that scene to me well so i thought that they were both going in like during the consultation thing that they did that together so i was kind of wondering but then i was like no like her no i specifically kept looking at her nose and i was like i don't feel like it looks wait this brings me back to so my my guess is that because she went on the show for this that she probably didn't pay for the rhinoplasty and it was probably given gifted to her um if that's not the case and she paid for it if she can pay for that why can't she get her own apartment like i need to know if that's like a parole situation because what about the people who don't have family and don't have friends and don't have anybody? In that case, I would assume that they might end up in a halfway house, like a group. Got it.
Okay. Yes, I could be wrong.
Rod having the conversation, like, listen up here to, I mean, Christy was present, but Gypsy and Ken. first of all i thought it was funny that mia was not present in like in that mix i was like because she had said her thoughts already that she didn't really know how she felt about this situation she didn't know how she felt about ken and she would have to like figure it out in her own time kind of thing and then didn't show up to him coming to the house i was like i i don't know if it was the same scene or a different one because i'm trying to remember the order but i don't like that gypsy tried to talk shit about mia to rod that was the one i was telling you where she was acting so immature like your immaturity is showing i didn't like that at all you're 10 years older than mia and you're acting like you're younger than Mia.
Relax. Also, hold on.
Let me pull up my notes.

We didn't even talk about Ryan's mom yet. No, we didn't.

I'm with Ryan's mom. She's spot on with her insight, but Ryan is still making excuses for

Gypsy and he still has not come to terms with the fact that Gypsy left him for Ken.

He's making excuses and does not want it to like he doesn't want to understand i think i think he's like truly committed to not understanding that she left him for another man but he's still making excuses i agree and i think that i want to say that his mom did a really good job of not like, yes, you could tell she's not happy with the situation, but she did not shit talk Gypsy. She did not.
She wasn't negative about Gypsy, obviously was like upset, right? Like not wheezed with what's going on. And I can't obviously can't say the same for Gypsy side, because christy's out here running her mouth just as much as gypsy is about ryan so i did respect that from his side i do want clarification from ryan on the pregnancy tests and i can't so far i can't picture ryan lying about anything that Gypsy is literally telling two men within the same hour on that same chair that she loves both of them on the phone.
I would not be surprised if Gypsy did in fact text that to Ryan because she didn't want to get caught up, especially with like the marriage, divorce, paternitynity all of that um i would like to see clarification slash screenshots on that but he does have an android because he said he said that that happened two times two separate occasions she texted him pregnancy tests pretty close it was like one month and then a second month that she did that and i was was like, what in all fuck is a current? Like, first of all, once again, why the fuck are you texting your soon to be ex-husband pictures of anything? Unless the pregnancy test had to do with him. Or he said, she told him, I don't know who the dad is.
Because I think that she wanted to keep Ryan on the back burner. I mean, she wanted her cake and eat it too.
She wanted a reason to stay connected to Ryan if it didn't work out with Ken. But she also, I think she knew in the back of her mind it was Ken's.
But she wanted to make sure that Ryan was still there and reachable and within arm's reach. I think I wrote in here that I think that Gypsy was pretending to want kids with ryan i think that she knew she was going to trap ken as soon as she had sex with him i think that's always been the plan for her um she was always happy she did was not upset in the slightest the same way that she was upset when or like nervous and not sure about having kids with ryan she knew what she was doing this entire time you cannot convince me otherwise I also thought it was interesting when um Rod calls Gypsy out and says she wants a baby why the hell does your dad know that unless you're openly like well we all can see can see it, though.
We all can see from the when you don't have those rose colored glasses on and you're not in the eye of the storm, you can always see things better than somebody else. You know, that's in the situation.
Gypsy wasn't going to admit those things to anybody, but she was going to. We can see it.
So Rod can see it. You know what I mean? I never.
Oh, I knew.

I did not pick up on, in my head, I was like, the last thing she wants to do is get pregnant.

Oh, no.

I knew that she didn't want to get pregnant with Ryan.

I knew that.

But I also just was like, oh, kids are definitely on her radar.

Like, I literally was like, never.

So then for, to find out from Ryan, so if we're believing what Ryan is saying is correct. Like, and Ryan saying that they were trying, which I agree with you.
You know, it's very easy to say, oh, we're trying for a baby and not trying on your end. Right.
It's pretty easy. but then him saying she always wanted to be pregnant so was she just like i don't understand so like if ken didn't come back into the picture within x amount of time was she just going to go have a baby with ryan well i think that's possible i think the other thing that would have been possible was that she would hold on to Ryan, still not get pregnant with him and wait for somebody else to come along.
I mean, like that was literally was waiting for this man to come back to me and telling another man exactly what he wanted to hear until until I didn't until i left him and was you know what

i mean and then i was over both of them so it kind of worked out for me but i don't know that gypsy has like the maturity and the capacity to the fact that gypsy is with ken and does not see the signs

says all

that I need to know

it's just I don't know it's

the whole thing is weird and then i don't know if you caught ryan saying well if she's still contacting me and she's with ken now then is she really happy yes she is very happy but she's also insecure and immature and needs ryan on the back burner so she knows she always has a place to fall back to I did it so I can you cannot bullshit a bullshitter gypsy Rose Blanchard Ryan I'm telling you I'm telling you because I already did this like I did this so I'm telling you yes she is very happy She's very excited to be with Ken. She's ignoring the red flags that are blatantly waving in her face, but she wants to make sure that you're also there when she needs you.
Amen. I, and then we end the episode with Gypsy fake crying yet again about how.
Well, are her tear ducts broken? Like, are her tear ducts broken? Like, do we think that those were affected by trauma of Dee Dee Blanchard? Because I feel like if you're crying multiple times in the same episode and no tears are coming out, that could be a health condition that we need to be worried about or you're just a really bad actress i don't know maybe your next business venture will not be acting def not definitely book club chapter seven book club join on patreon what are our thoughts on gypsy having a baby gypsy rose and a baby oh girl um like you as a mom who entered motherhood with trauma endured more trauma had more kids like is there anything that you could like give advice to to, look out for for her or, like, some tips for her?

You know what? Here's the thing. I'm not necessarily concerned about her capability of taking care of a child, like, the physical needs of the child.
Okay. where i'm concerned i think is the emotional and mental well-being of both her and the child but also this relationship with ken because i think that the relationship with ken is going to impact her emotional well-being and abilities to take care of the child because there's a lot that hasn't been worked out there.
I'm also nervous that new things will come up in her within her mental health when she has the baby, right? Because the hormonal imbalances and all of the things that come with pregnancy and postpartum, what does that do to someone with the amount of trauma that Gypsy has that has not been fully worked out yet? And obviously none of us are perfect parents. Absolutely none of us.
I don't care what resources you have. I don't care how much therapy you've gone through.
You're never going to be a perfect parent. But I am concerned about Gypsy putting maybe her, maybe Gypsy putting her own wants and desires ahead of the baby's emotional emotional well-being yeah i mean i'm just looking at it from a situation of it she didn't have a good example right that was inflicted of a mom was inflicted trauma like if trauma was inflicted on her and then supposedly she was in like court mandated therapy or something right and i don't want to be that person that's like oh well therapy obviously isn't working if you're making really poor decisions but i also just wonder like how honest are you being with your therapist? Yeah.

And I've also had experience with that too,

where I, you know,

I didn't want to be honest with my therapist for a long time.

So that's not helpful to your growth.

Also, I mean, court mandated anything.

Therapy when you're not willing to do the work

is not going to be beneficial for anyone.

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I'm also curious to see how long is she on parole for? I think, if I'm not mistaken, I thought it was the remainder of the sentence that she would have served, which I thought was like a little less than two years, maybe. so she's going to have to to raise if ken doesn't move to louisiana she's gonna have to raise this baby without a father most of the time in louisiana and then uproot from her entire family to move to ken and then it's like how do you decide to when you didn't have your dad and your stepmom and your siblings for your entire life? You're now going to not only take that away from yourself, but also from your child to go be with this man if he doesn't choose to move to Louisiana.
I also think that that's a recipe for disaster. Well, even just even just to see the fact that, OK, they're pregnant.
They announced it. And I saw them, she had gone to visit him, and they were on live together.
This was, like, probably, like, a week or two weeks ago. You know, he was like, oh, we don't live together, but she frequently visits.
Why are you not, unless it's because of your job, why are you not just moving to her? Like, what is holding you back you back from moving well that's what i'm saying so now you you're faced with the like you didn't even figure out these logistics first but and i get it shit happens the thing is i don't think shit happened here i think that gypsy made these really really irrational and irresponsible decisions i don't think this was like a lack of like oh shit we figure this out. It was like, I'm still on fucking parole.
I can't leave the state long-term. But now what does that look like? I finally have my family that I never got to grow up with, my only support system.
Also, in terms of this show, like if you're going to film a season two, you need other people to be a part of that, right? Like we've done it. Teen Mom mom is like who can you film with when we come to visit on these dates like what friends do you have around what can you guys go do if gypsy is then in texas with ken what she's going to have to film all of this with ken and maybe his parents if he has a relationship with them also where does that leave like you're gonna create the same issue without ken moving to louisiana you're creating the same thing that you went through for your child so you are repeating the cycle yeah and then you know i will say to your comment about like i don't think shit just happened when she filmed herself finding out she's pregnant she doesn't seem surprised in the fucking slightest no she knew what she was doing she did this this was all she knew what she was doing and i wrote that down like there's no surprise here there was no surprise here for me no no my only shock is ryan being shocked or ryan honestly um and then it said at the end to be continued so on the live after the season finale she says there is no season two yet as of yet and she's not currently filming um but it said to be continued so something tells me that there will be something in the works um i also think that people will want to know like where this goes but then what i mean that's that was kind of my thoughts i'm like okay so like you see gypsy rose being a mom and whatever and whatever paternity thing and i'm just like thinking potential storylines here right so it's like birth of the baby pregnancy birth of the baby probably heading a license this fucking license gypsy rose if you don't get your license kale's gonna riot i am what else you know maybe the logistics of figuring out who's living where what those possibilities are yada yada outside of that the divorce being finalized outside of that what the fuck is the future of that but teen mom has been running as long as it has so don't even get me started oh my god it's possible all in all i liked the show i liked the amount of shit that i could talk about it you also had like a different in am i a troll oh my god i'm a troll no because you're not going to her page and writing this shit you're just like evaluating what you're watching you're you're a critic well has anyone said to her face in any of these interviews that she's done that like you're not making good choices and we're concerned about you because i don't feel like anyone's done that yet everyone's huddling her and asking her 100 questions but like what are the logistics of this life after baby like what is what are the logistics right now and don't tell me that you don't know and you'll figure it out because there's a child involved i just entering like having a child enter your life it's just such a big fucking decision and i don't understand why everybody is in such a damn rush to do it before you like how many dates in person did they get to go on before she got knocked up one two you didn't even live together but then you turned around and said that when once you started living with ryan you had enough like what the fuck is going on ken's gonna get caught up mark my words i just need to really need someone to deep dive this grinder scenario i.
I think there's been multiple people that have come forward. I've seen multiple that have allegations.
Well, on that note. To be continued.
On that note, to be be continued um thanks for joining us for barely fucking famous and i'm excited for things that are coming in the next several weeks with barely famous specifically and um i don't know what we're going to cover next on barely famous but maybe we'll get some guests on or something since we've been covering the show for eight weeks.

Maybe.

Thank you, Kristen Hook.

Love you so much.

Love you.

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