Life After Lock Up - Are You Happy?

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Welcome to the shit show.

Things are going to get weird.

It's your fave villain, Kale Lowry.

And you're listening to Barely Famous.

how nice of you to show up just like me i'm blueberries everywhere i really love that blanket for you i'm also very excited for mom to finish your stitch one i'm gonna need branded blankets after this episode. So I actually found this episode to be relatively boring.
So we're covering episode seven of life after lockup, Gypsy Rose, her life, her, all the things. This episode is titled, are you happy? And it is the second to last episode of the series.
Or a season. We're not sure.
I guess it's a season one. I'm assuming she's gonna have a season two.
I think that pregnancy really put the nail in the coffin for that season two. You know what I mean? Oh, definitely.
Definitely. So immediately upon starting this episode, I noticed that she has shorter hair, blonder hair.
And right off the bat, we're pitting family against Ryan. Yes.
Now, my thoughts here are that I just didn't think that was necessary. I don't think that pitting her family against Ryan was necessary in her finalizing the fact that she wanted to leave Ryan to be with Ken.
I think that she could have very much just left Ryan and been with Ken and forfeited any of the pitting against each other, don't you? The first thing I wrote down was that Gypsy's telling them about the fight. Why is that even occurring when she could have just literally told them, hey, guys, you were right.
I made a mistake. Or it's not working out, so I'm going to leave him.
Like, that would have been fine. You didn't need to, like, demonize, villainize him to the family.
Yeah. So she's villainizing him, and she's also trying.
It's almost like she's justifying a reason to break up with him or to divorce him. And at this big age, you don't need a fucking reason to do anything.
You can just fucking break up with someone or file for divorce. And that is your decision.
And you don't need to justify it to anyone. So it's almost like she.
Yeah, I mean, the controlling or the jealousy and the insecurities, but that I feel like came with the territory of their situation. And she really didn't do anything to prevent or make him feel any sort of security there.
So I just think she could have just been like, you know what? My heart is actually in fact with Ken. I don't want to be with you.
And she could have just let it be that. I think the culmination of it for Ryan is what was leading to his things.

I will say, like, if I ever got that text message, I would be pissed the fuck off.

I definitely don't think that I would show it to the person.

Like, we've literally said how many times now, like, we know better to not do that at this point.

But a question I did have for you was any time that you were ever in a prior situation that you maybe wanted to get out of that you thought people would be like telling you to stay did you try to villainize in the same way not try but like show negative things that had occurred in fact had occurred in the relationship to friends in your life so that they wouldn't be like well why would you leave him he him? He's a good guy. Like, do you have you? And I think the older we get, the better we know, right? Like when you know better, you do better.
Right. When I was in the whole situation with my own marriage and going through that whole divorce and everything else, it, it was very much like, Javi's such a good guy.
Javi's such a good guy having such a good guy. And maybe in general, yeah, but like, it wasn wasn't working out for us at the time so i did feel like at the time i had to justify my reason for leaving i was also in my early 20s so we're talking like eight to ten years ago you know what i mean where like i'm too old to be doing that now if i choose to leave elijah right now i don't need to justify that to anybody except for myself and potentially my kids when they're old enough to understand that but right i just feel like two the meddling with christy has also exacerbated the villainization of ryan and also has increased her need increased gypsy's need to justify all of these things instead of just being like you know what christy you're right thank you for telling me about ken like i think i should just be with him and just letting that be that but i think she wants to blame him she wants to blame ryan for the divorce instead of just saying i'm leaving you because i want to be with ken right but like we know that so like you're not really doing what you're doing.
Well, so when she made the comment that, you know, Ryan is selfish with her time, she knows this and she was dealing with that for three years. I'm kind of at that point, I'm like, well, if this is the behavior you're trying to use to like show cause for why you're thinking about leaving.
Okay. Attorney Kristen.
Right. Um, why like, it of makes you look dumb if you already knew this was an existing behavior you've been dealing with it supposedly for three years then why did you get married to begin with if it was a behavior you couldn't stand then like why stay and now you're trying to use or why even get married but now you're trying to use it in like your defense as to why you're leaving but you should have never said the three years part because then it's like well then why did you marry him this just goes back to our previous conversations about younger decisions being made in your 30s like these are decisions that you and i made in our 20s or we've seen other people make in their 20s and I just feel like there's a little bit more leniency there um I did say Rod to me seems to be very emotionally mature which I don't know why I'm surprised by that but like he does I really like Rod he's starting to grow on me I feel like not that I take back what I said about not really understanding the family's motives

I just don't think that he falls into the same category and this episode actually made me feel the same way about Mia because Mia actually towards the end sticks up for Ryan um and she was like you should have let Ken tell Gypsy himself I mean we're getting ahead of ourselves Yes.

Um, the conversation with Gypsy and then her her parents um i do feel like gypsy needs someone to vent to but i think this goes back to our private you and my private conversations about having that one person that you can vent to um you know i've made the mistake of like telling one person all my issues, every

single fucking feeling I ever had about Elijah in the beginning when we were new and things like that. And then I think that it truly negatively impacted the relationship and the view that that person had on Elijah.
So I know now that I cannot vent to everybody. There's only like you pick one person.
And then when you pick that one person, you even still pick and choose what you're going to tell that person and what you're going to vent about um i agree i just don't know what the solution here is for gypsy because gypsy doesn't seem to have any like real solid quality friends right outside of her family and that's a tricky situation in and of itself because even if she were to go to her sister who's closer to her age and that's like the type of relationship that she wants to have like just a couple episodes ago we were talking about the pregnancy scare situation with her sister i feel like that would be the most fitting but it's almost like she's telling some negative things to mia some negative things to rod a lot of negativity to christy and so all of them have different stories and variations of the negativity. So I don't know what the solution here is outside of like, trying to maybe gear it towards maybe one person and then also picking and choosing what you're saying.
I think you also have to know the person, right? To decide like, because there are are 1000 people who can listen to you bitch about somebody or something and literally never think twice about it or have a different feeling towards somebody it's just like you understand that that's life and shit happens and people have positive and negative qualities and you don't hold it against the other person so for me looking at the characters that you know gypsy has, Gypsy has to choose from, yeah, Dad, Christy, Mia, that's it. Because obviously, you're not going to vent to your husband about your husband.
So Dad, Christy, Mia. Looking at the three of them, I wholeheartedly believe that Mia would be the one that I feel like I would choose to go to for the fact that it's not your parents.
And I think your parents usually have more weight in your mind than a sibling. Just for like for me personally, I know like if my mom or dad said something to me or my brother did, I'm gonna like tell my brother he's dumb as shit.
And I'm gonna listen to my parents. So I wouldn't want them to have the negative viewpoint.
But I think Mia is the one that's capable of hearing the negative and not changing her opinion because I haven't seen her opinion change yet. Like she said, and she has stood on that.
Is she questioning things at times? Yes, but so am I as a viewer. 1000%.
So I think that she did a disservice to her, Gypsy, I mean, did a disservice to herself by telling Christy shit. But I also think she wanted to because I think that it made Christy more inclined to tell her things about Ken, which is what she wanted.
So what it boils down to is Christy through this entire season has meddled and created things that she should not have done. I wanted to ask you, coming from someone who's been divorced and been through a lot of relationships in life, when Gypsy was making the comments about trying to make things work and she's trying to do this and trying to do that to like stay in the marriage or whatever.
I don't believe her. I don't either.
But in a cycle, she mentions that this is a cycle that continues to happen.

In a cycle, for somebody that is actually actively trying to stay, at what point, though, do you stop trying to make it work? Like, how do you know? You have to put an expiration date on things. You know that's, like, my thing.
Yeah. And I just feel like you, it goes back to when I was getting divorced and I tried to

get divorced before I actually filed for divorce because the attorney was like, you're not ready for this. Like logistically speaking, you need to go get your ducks in a row and then come back to me when you're ready.
And then I never really went back to her, but then I had one of the producers tell me that you, like I was going through that other toxic relationship separate relationship separate from my divorce and he literally said like you have to put an expiration date on like when you're gonna stop and that really just resonated with me and that's what I've been doing ever since so if there is minimal or no effort from this point till this point it's time to call it quits but I just don't believe Gypsy I don't think that she's really done anything and in the car for one of the conversations she's having with Ryan she says I'm in therapy and you're in therapy and he's like okay well let's go to counseling and she's like basically just like brushing it off and it's just like you're not you you are you yes and I wrote that I literally wrote that she is checked out and when a woman is checked out it's very different than when a man is when a man is checked out i feel and that's just like the nature of the beast but there's i really like rod i do i like rod he's grown on me um i think he's really cool like he's like just like a bro you know what i mean yeah but yeah he he says that Ryan knew what he was getting himself into and I have to disagree with that because we've seen it on prison brides and we've seen it here um and I've seen it in my own experience dating a felon is like what do they call like a pike dream like you when you're when someone is in prison and there's another person on the outside, you have all of these dreams and these goals and these aspirations and all of these, like, I don't, I don't want to call them like make believe, but like fantasy, it's like a fantasy. Yeah.
You're like romanticizing and fantasizing, like what it's going to be like and what's going to happen. I just feel like while they're not ill intended they're they're they're they're with good intentions it never really works out that way and that was something that I talked about a lot when we were covering prison brides it's like even the best couples that were like doing really well and like we had really good like high hopes for them I said once they get free after a little time has passed they are going to want to go while the fuck out like they're going to want to go do their own thing and that's basically what in my opinion what it feels like gypsy is doing um i don't think that ken could have predicted what was going to come out of it like not ken i don't think that ryan knew what he was getting himself into i really don't then i would agree with you i think that there's no way to predict that part which is also why i think and something i kept going back to why get married while in prison it kept making me come back to that because you know Gypsy makes a comment later down in the episode talking about how this marriage isn't what she envisioned that it would be it's a little different and it's like that's because you had no actual relationship I hate to say that but you did not have a relationship and we'll call it the real world because you were in prison so like some of these things that were deal breakers or things that she's now not liking which a lot of it has to do with the fact that it's because ken is available and she knows he wants her back so like all this is pretty null and void but she would have figured out that ryan was not her person if they were dating actually in the real world do you think prior i do i think that her and ryan would have had a better shot had ken never resurfaced like i think that she would have

stayed with him for a while longer if not i think indefinitely i think she would have stayed but i don't think she would have been truly happy and like that is something i'm trying to also keep in mind she never if you see her with ken like now we're talking like today and you see her with Ryan from what is shown.

The only time, and I notated it like for this episode specifically it was really refreshing and cute to see them at the jump park her and ryan laughing joking around and having a good time not saying that that didn't happen more frequently than was shown because obviously it wouldn't really make sense to go from like they're having all these good times to like she's leaving him but she just never seemed genuinely happy she seemed complacent she seemed but comfortable this is one of those things where like i have to dig deep into what my therapist has said or like what katie morton has said to me when i was stuck on chris but sort of dating somebody else because it love is not the one that's more complacent and doesn't have you all like what is like what am i trying to say it's the highs and you get addicted to the highs and the lows and it's the normalcy that actually feels boring to you and you've said that to me several times. And I think that there's a difference.
Like, I'll use my own relationship, for example. I would say that we're comfortable, right? We have our routine.
We don't always have to be talking. We could be sitting on the couch watching a TV show and everything is cool and all that stuff.
But like, we frequently are having a good time and laughing together and whatever over the dumbest shit. I'm not saying that's everyone's relationship, but that's...
I couldn't be in one that I didn't do that in. So to see them, like, in the comfortable moments, I think a lot of the times felt actually uncomfortable.
And in just, like, even with... From last episode, you're not going to sit next to me.
She, like, you just just made it weird. Like you just made it weird.
She was sitting in the same living room as you. She's loving on her dog.
I just think that I don't really think that they were codependent on each other like she was explaining. I don't get the codependent vibe.
I get the Ryan wants to be loved so bad and wants a wife and a family so bad that he's trying to do whatever to make it work. and I get the Ryan wants to be loved so bad and wants a wife and a family so bad that he's trying to do whatever to make it work and I get the she is it's not reciprocated it is nothing that like compliments aren't even reciprocated but I think it's because well yeah I mean I guess going back to the very first episode it was kind of that way from the second she got out of prison he was kind of all over her and that's when it was cringe but now it's like i don't know i guess you're right i could see that it's just like a very different thing but i see your point too about the normal complacent can you know really not appease certain people if they're used to tumultuous relationships maybe the complacent isn't the right word because I think that people like complacent to me is like you're stagnant but content I feel like gets a bad rap like the word content gets a bad rap because they're like oh you shouldn't be content but I think in terms of a relationship I think that's okay and like I would rather be content and be in a relationship that's like highs and lows all the time now she's like deflecting her

own account accountability and blaming her what what did she call him like her partner in crime what did she call him co co-defendant co-defendant is what are your thoughts so what are your thoughts here so that one i didn't really it didn't feel taking accountability for me i don't know why it was titled that. I also don't understand what from that video, from what we were shown, I didn't see that in real time.
And obviously it got deleted. But seeing what we saw of that, what the video is that she made on the show, I don't feel like in any way, shape or form that could even be interpreted as trying to contact the co-defendant to get her in trouble.
Like, I didn't understand how that was being reported to parole. Even the comments that they showed saying, like, someone report this to her parole.
Parole will find this really interesting. Whatever we got, whatever we heard from that video had nothing to do with her attempting to contact.
It was literally her saying, you know, I gonna comment on that but here's like i think two lives were lost that night blah blah blah she's entitled to have an opinion how the fuck is that being interpreted as her trying to contact the guy that's still in jail who actually killed the mom you know trolls be trolling yeah but like enough to get the parole officer to call you. That seems a little wild to me.
And I think that maybe like parole practices need to be updated given social media, because that's probably a lot of extra work that they never had to deal with before because of social media. But like in or put it in a parole parole like guidelines when you leave that you can't have social media, because that insane to me that it could be viewed that way before that happened was when she recorded her self-upset we saw that right before it led into that scene with that can i just say the whole flowers thing where she kept talking about the flowers he bought her flowers and he apologized can we stop buying flowers when we fuck up can we just normalize buying flowers just because like make them a good thing because i have a pet that's a pet peeve of mine that it's a very big pet peeve and i've been in relationships where i would literally call them fuck up flowers the only time i would get flowers was when they did something bad or something bad was occurring and it's like i don't need a fucking reminder sitting here for a week until they die that you fucked up.
So it's just weird to me. That's a good point.
Also going back to your point about not having social media in the like parole plan or whatever. The only thing that makes me nervous about that is you've seen me and you've helped me have to get Instagram handles and other social handles because trolls will take your business name or take your name and run a profile as you.
Um, that's a scary thought because they're allowing the handle is different than act being active on social media. Like I think, you know, definitely have some.
For it to be not in there is shocking to me. Yeah, but because they, it's a catch 22 because it's like, you run the risk of them lying and running profiles that they can't prove is actually them, right? Like their parolees and things like that.
You run the risk of them just like having it not as them but then also there's trolls out there that could be them um you have the risk of like them giving permission ai ai which is so fucking scary but like it's terrifying you know just there's a lot of things that if all of it is scary um i need to know your thoughts and reaction to gypsy being upset freaking out because obviously in her head she's thinking i'm going back to prison and ryan's like that's revenue i need to know your thoughts so i wrote that down as well and i have several thoughts obviously because I've been in this industry and I've been there and I literally like have been through something similar.

um number one is that gypsy should have a show a social media person like a strategist or like a manager or something or a pr person that she is running their her content by um and giving her

like a being

Thank you. social media person, like a strategist or like a manager or something or a PR person that she is running their, her content by, um, and giving her like a, being a good voice of reason for her content slash running her stuff for her.
They're submitted. She submits them the content and they post and she doesn't get on it at all.
I also understand Ryan's perspective that that is revenue because right now she doesn't contribute to anything and that probably is one of her only sources of income. I would agree.
Without her millions and millions and millions of views, she would not have this show right now. so to me it's one of those things where like you you can't have both worlds you can't have this big social media tv fame present sort of situation and be off social like you can but but you can't because people are watching her show because they've seen her on social media if was just never on so like look at casey anthony where the fuck is she nobody cares nobody knows nobody's following up nobody's checking in same thing could have been done with gypsy so like i get it also if she wants to leave ken so bad or if she wants to leave ryan so bad she needs the income i also feel like because i saw all the right? And like things that you've gone through in conversations we've had.
And like, I've had to make similar comments to you, right? Like, okay, this is what this decision would mean for this type of revenue. We've had those conversations.
Kristen, not posting for one week for me is detrimental to my income. Right.
So like, we've had those conversations. The difference is you and I are not in a relationship, right? Like we're not, I'm not married to you.
I think that it is my biggest piece of advice would be to get somebody in the in-between to that Ryan is not having to comment or deal with topics of revenue. Of course, it would affect him since they're married.
But having somebody else be the one to be like, okay, you know, you're dealing with the revenue situation and it's just being reported to you like, okay, you know, if this happens, this is what this means. Or yeah, sure, you have to shut down your stuff to prevent going to prison.
Because at the end of the day, if it's prison or it's money, obviously no one wants to go to fucking prison. Right.
So for him to be like revenue before going back to prison because at the end of the day if it's prison or it's money obviously no one wants to go to fucking prison right so for him to be like revenue before going back to prison i think that i think he was what i didn't i did not caught in the moment i think for him it was the logistic i think it was how the fuck is the guy telling you that you need a job gonna tell you to stop doing the thing that's bringing in money? Right. I think that's where he went.
Yeah. Instead of Gypsy being immediately into biggest fear alive coming true, I'm in trouble.
I did something wrong. I'm going back to prison.
Because like that's, that would probably be the biggest thing on my mind if I was out on parole knowing that I had X amount of time left that I could potentially be serving if I fuck up I would be terrified so I I get both sides but I think like definitely getting someone in there whether it's a manager or something to be dealing with that side of it where it's like okay like you said like a manager would have been like okay easy problem you're not getting on it we are or something like yeah something out or immediately was like fuck this we're putting you behind a paywall right you don't need for that shit yeah so i think that part is hard and i know that that takes time for people to learn either they're going to self manage or they're not. And self managing does not work for everybody.
And dealing with actual management doesn't work for everybody either. So I think you have to figure that out.
But I think it definitely came off insensitive for him on the show. Like just as a viewer of the show, I understand why that would come off insensitive.
And also it being your husband too, I think in the grand scheme of things, take the show out of the picture. It still comes off insensitive and also it being your husband too i think in the grand scheme of things take the show out of the picture it still comes off insensitive it feels like your intentions are not the best but i also understood because i've been there i just think that gypsy doesn't have enough neutral people in her party in her camp with that can advocate for her finances and her best interest publicly and And then she needs her husband to be her husband, not her like financial.
Yes. Cause that gets sticky.
And like, you have to have tough conversations, which like, that's what I was saying before. Like you and I've had to have, I've had to tell you shit as a business situation that I would, it's completely contradictory of what I would tell you as my friend.
100%. And that is never a fun, we make it work, but it's not necessarily always a fun place to be in and having to have the mindset of, and I think it's easier to do with a friend than it would be a partner.
Like, I don't think that I could ever, that's just, I just don't think that I'd be able to do that if it were like me and Corey in that situation. And Corey would have to tell me I wouldn't be okay with that.
And I think I would hold, not resentment, but feelings associated. And it would make me think, okay, you don't have my best interests at heart, but that's not the case.
You're just thinking of both sides. um i also was noting on here where she's crying outside on the balcony and she's saying, everybody wants to send me back.
And I was like, this is the perfect, because we saw, and we've heard so many people say crazy amounts of support she's gotten, right? All this positivity about her being out, advocating for her to be out, all this stuff. And what is she saying? Everyone wants to send me back.
And I literally wrote, this is the perfect example of what I'm talking about when I say that the negativity is always so much louder. It always is.
I remember a time where I was, it just felt like, and it's just up until recently that I have felt like everybody was a get like, everybody hates kale kind of thing. And then I blocked all of the, any, any hate that I was seeing, I just blocked them because it was so loud.
I couldn't see any positivity at all. And it was so discouraging and depressing and just like a really awful place to be.
and um i didn't tell you this but like i went on and looked at some of the pages that i blocked

and it's crazy because between leaving the show and then also blocking out all the negativity and kind of laying low and like going a different direction, there's not as much hate. But also, once you delete it, you start.
You live in a completely different world. It literally is like you're looking at a different world in its entirety.
Yes. And the support becomes louder.
Because I can't tell you the last time I read a hate comment about me, but I also block as much of it out as I can. The trolls will have to work way fucking harder to get to me than they ever did before.
You what i mean so i just but this goes back to me suggesting that gypsy probably needs better people in her camp on the professional side because they also need to be like helping her run the accounts with her in a in a sense of like blocking out the hate do you know what i mean so like gypsy might not be on might be commenting back as herself, but on the back end, her manager is blocking out every person that's leaving like horrible comments and being hateful. 1000%.
And I think that that, you know, I think that that is a message to anyone that deals with whether you're on the creator side, whether you're on an influencer set, whatever you're on, anybody in any type of public light, I would say that is the biggest tip to give because we used to go toe to toe and you would tell me, no, everybody fucking hates me. You didn't want to hear otherwise.
And it's like, but I live in a different world because I don't look at it and it's not me. So I'd be like, no, like that's just the world

that you're seeing because it's so loud. And then you go and see, cause I've never seen,

I really haven't seen any hate towards her. Like I, as a consumer of the show and someone who has

followed this since the beginning, I have not personally seen any hate towards Gypsy. So

it definitely depends on the lens that you're looking through so they go to eat at one point and um awkward the restaurant and she's like in a mood literally all i kept saying was because she doesn't want to be hanging out with you because she doesn't want to be hanging out with you she doesn't want to do this on camera because she already knows how this is going to look but ryan starts listing off all of the things that they haven't done and all the things that she wants to do. Right.
And she's just kind of like shrugging it off and just like not really giving

him any like feedback or like being great, like excited about any of these things. Right.
Yeah.

And he asks her about remarrying him, but hold on, I'm going to bring it back to,

to the, all the things that they haven't done. So she's like, Oh, I don't want to do this on camera.
Why do we have to do this on like oh i don't want to do this on camera why do we have to do this on camera i don't want to do this on camera right but you'll film yourselves arguing on camera and then you'll submit it to the producers like make that logic make sense right like because you literally filmed y'all like that was embarrassing that was cringe like i never want to see that Like I don't want to see anyone do that. Like if the cameras are not there for a fight, I will not be filming a fight and submitting it to you.
I might talk about the fight after it happened, but I will not film the fight in real time. Okay.
That's never going to happen from Miss Kale Lowry at Lowry land. Got it.
That's the cringiest thing I've ever seen from a reality person but i want to bring it back to gypsy feels like life is cookie cutter and it's routine and it's mundane and it's redundant but he just got done listing all of the things that he wants to do with you and that you guys haven't done yet and you didn't give it just say you're checked out because you don't want you do it you don't want to do life with him and that's all i kept saying and i'm like oh my god like this is actually like okay you don't have to like pick and choose like what they air yeah i'm like what they were getting from that entire situation to come down to this little bit i couldn't imagine being the the field producer and sitting there while this was going down because she literally it was like the silent treatment i was like no like what you couldn't at least be cordial so i just was and then her comments about i don't want to do this on camera yada yada yada before he even brought up like she was making comments about like uh like i just i'm not feeling this blah blah blah then when he brings up the re the marriage thing i wrote that down also the remarrying thing do you think that was prompted by production or do you think he did it intentionally because she wouldn't have private conversations about it so he thought it would force her to give him an answer if he did it in front of the cameras could be both both could be true both could be true it could have been prompted and he also could have because i tell my kids all the time don't fucking ask me to do things in front of people because the answer is probably no but you're gonna force to force me to say yes. And I don't fucking like that.
So I feel like, you know, it's one of those things. It felt a little to me manipulative.
I didn't get her to give an answer. That was, I felt I didn't get that vibe, but I'm also not that great of a judge of character.
So it's hard to say. I just still have this burning question that I asked either last episode or the episode before that.
Does she have a license? Is she learning to drive? Will Gypsy be able to drive places? I mean, this would be weird because I definitely have known people out on parole parole that can drive but do you think a term of her parole was that she can't i don't know and i'm also surprised by the no alcohol establishments like if their main their main business is to like sell alcohol or like whatever like her drug her um gypsy's crime didn't involve alcohol in any way and she doesn't have an out like a substance problem so that also surprised me she's not the only one i've seen that happen to i know a couple people that also had restrictions when it had nothing to do with substances at all that had restrictions on um alcohol obviously and drugs so i thought i wasn't like too shocked by that part i the i was curious about the driving thing and the only reason i say that is because further down in the episode like very towards the end when she ends up going with her parents she said she had to have her shit transferred because like different cities like had to have her stuff transferred so i was like i wonder if it has something to do with like borders for like you can't cross whatever for parole maybe like i just was very you can't expect a parolee to get a job like a norm not gypsy included because her her life is a little bit different but like a normal person who needs to get a job when they get out of prison they can't get to prison if they're not allowed to drive. That's what I saw.

I was just i'm i am intrigued by that um they get in the car after the date and ryan's like i'm just gonna let you be but then continues on but then doesn't let her be and nothing i feel like that's all men they just literally nobody nobody wants to like give time for people to process their feelings or think about what's being said. And like, we know that gypsies checked out as, as women, we know we, we can see it because we've been there.
I think all of us in life have been in a position where we are so insecure with where things are that we just want an answer right now and so i sympathize and empathize with that and like i understand it yeah but he also needs to just back off a little bit because pressuring her to give him an answer is not necessarily going to give him the outcome that he wants and it's not necessarily going to give him the answer that he wants so i just i get it i do and it humanizes him because we've been there but gypsy already said she was in a mood and you know he does sound understanding at first and so i think that he wants to be understanding and he wants to be supportive but like he doesn't necessarily have the tools to like do that in the right way it feels like he has to play two roles from the way he was describing it which is his role as like her husband but he has to put his feelings on the back burner it seems all the time because he's always saying like i have to be aware of her triggers and i have to be aware of this and i have to be aware of that and like any good therapist will tell you it is not the other person's responsibility to learn how to deal with you. It's your responsibility to learn how to deal with everybody else.
So I give him props for doing what he's doing and trying to be sensitive and basically coddling her and her situations. But that is not a good foundation for a marriage when you can't express your feelings out of fear that you're going to trigger the other person.
It doesn't help when she's manipulating, she's manipulative and manipulating him. So she's throwing in his face, oh, you know, triggers and trauma and this and that from my past, my childhood my childhood my my mom you know all of prison all of these things she's using that to manipulate him and so he's constantly feeling like that he's doing the right thing by by acknowledging all these triggers but to your point it's like that's not a him problem that's our her problem he can't and that goes with anyone eventually though what happens with ken or the next person that she's with is she gonna do the same thing like at what point and obviously it's still fresh so i'm not saying right now that she means she's gonna just like figure it out because it's gonna take time but just like what the fuck ultimately like ultimately it's not everyone else's responsibility to learn how to like deal with you it's just not and i have experiences with that in my personal life and it's not everybody's problem to have to understand that you have like like your own set of issues and your own set of baggage and complications and all that stuff it's just not that's not realistic um her saying you have to want to work at it sealed it for me i was like she's already done gone why are you not out ryan you're sitting here being like it's not up to me it's not my decision it's up to her like you're literally getting your heart broken time and time and time and time again out of fear of abandonment maybe like some type of abandonment situation like you want to be loved so badly and she's treating you like literal dog shit and you're still staying she's not picking you bro like she's just not well and he says that he feels like this is all of a sudden we know as viewers that women check out way before men ever like realize we do and i think part of that is that well i think all of it truly is ken ken coming back into the picture or the hope that he's back into the picture or whatever um is that but i also think that she's been checked out for a long time so it seems all of a sudden because she's so set in it now um i literally she says someone else can love you someone else can love someone else can give you the love you deserve i literally said that to my ex when i had been checked out for so fucking long and truly i was only with him because i thought that the other person wasn't an option and when i decided that i was over and done with him i also was over and done with the rebound situation which i do actually think that gypsy used ryan as i don't think she realized it at the time i was gonna say she admitted it on the episode but i don't think that she knew what she was doing at the time and it wasn't until now where ken is kind of circling back that she realizes oh wow ryan was in fact a rebound and she doesn't want him to think that he did anything wrong and so like all of this is really manipulative all of this is really triggering and I literally said this to my ex and I broke up with him was like it was like this realization that he was just a placeholder like I always knew from start to finish that this was never my person it was just somebody that held my attention for this small time and did a job that they needed to do during this time and like it's not okay but it does happen this is life so like it does happen and I get that but like she didn't why did she have to marry him like I can't I cannot wrap my head around the fact that you married this person what was the purpose of that like why couldn't you commit to him get out of prison live with him for a little while and then decide if you wanted to marry him because all of this could have been way easier I still think that the opinion that I had a couple episodes ago is true that I think that she did it to get Ken's attention I think that that was the ultimate goal and we find out in this episode she i think it was this episode or maybe it was last episode um that ken and her spoke after her and ryan were married no yes no yeah when he was asked when he was asked when is the last time you talked to her? It was right before she was getting out of prison and she was already married.
No. He said the last time he talked to

her was two weeks before the wedding. No.
I swear to you, he literally said, when they, when producers

literally said to him, when was the last conversation you had with Gypsy? He said,

right before she got out of prison.

Because I literally wrote down and was like, whoa.

I thought it was, initially we all thought, we all were told that it was two weeks before her wedding.

We knew that part.

But he literally said it was right before she got released from prison.

And I literally was like, so you were married having a conversation with your ex.

Are you sure that wasn't the conversation that was with Chrissy that was relayed back to Gypsy?

No, it was the producers in front of Ken sitting in wherever he was sitting.

I have it.

Was it?

I don't think it was.

Was it this one or was it last one?

Let me see.

Hold on.

Is that comfortable? Six to eight weeks. was it this one or was it last one let me see hold on comfortable 68 weeks yes i literally wrote they had talked right before she got out of prison so after marriage question mark because she was married well before getting out of prison so i was like back the fuck up it was last episode but we didn't get to talk about it see i don't think that gypsy just because i've been i did this like so when i was with after i literally wouldn't marry him because i thought that at some point i would get his attention again and we would be together.
I didn't want to make any permanent decisions like marrying someone else because I thought that I could still get his attention. So to me, I don't think that she did it to get his attention.
Her trying to get his attention was her calling him two weeks before the wedding. And she said he didn't say to wait for him.
And that is is why she got married so that's why i don't think that she did it for attention to get his attention because she already had it and he didn't care i don't i don't know i just still feel because to her it seems like and i and i said this too i think people in general our age like our you know situation people talk and go into marriages as if they're just relationships and it actually like is annoying like coming from a married person it's annoying as fuck when it's treated so lightly because I think that if more emphasis was placed on like making sure like not doing things on a timeline and actually making sure that the person that you're with is the right person for you and i get the whole like we're not really set up to be with one person for life thing but like that is what marriage is we all fucking know that but it's treated like well we could always get divorced do you know how many times i've fucking heard that well if it doesn't work out we can just get divorced've never heard that. And I've never heard anyone treat it like that.

But.

And I've never done that.

Like, I.

And I'm like.

What?

I have never heard of people do it.

Like, I just.

What is the purpose of getting married if you just treat it like a relationship?

That's the shit that I'm like, I'm so confused.

So part of me, like, obviously, Gypsy missed a lot of fucking life between her mom.

And I think that's the shit that i'm like i'm so confused so part of me like obviously gypsy missed a lot of fucking life between her mom and then being in actual prison i don't really feel like she really took it i don't think she even knew how to take a marriage like you know what i mean like i don't think that she understood the actual weight of it. Yeah.

Like, it is a weight.

I don't, and people can disagree with me.

That's fine.

It is a weight.

It 1000% is a weight.

People that say getting married doesn't change things.

I don't know a be with this person, but I still care about them. I mean, I think the gypsy has a really weird way of showing it, but adding the layer of filming and then adding a second layer of it airing later on after you film and you've already been broken up with in front of everybody.
And now you're going to be broken up with again in front of the whole like nation is really upsetting. Doing a cutoff for two weeks.
I need to hear from my listeners. And if you have ever heard of someone like taking that sort of break from your husband, like I've heard of separations, like actual separations, like long term or like someone goes to fucking rehab or like whatever.
But a cutoff when you're married just sounds very trivial to me or not trivial that's not the right word it feels very immature to me to have a two-week cut off from your husband to like get your thoughts like that just sounds so immature like you're married you're married but that's me it's again showing that she doesn't understand what it means to be married. It's a relationship, I think.
I get meeting your space when you're married and like going on a girl's trip without your husband or your husband goes on, you know, goes golfing for a weekend. It doesn't talk like a weekend situation or like whatever.
But like this almost feels like a punishment and he didn't even necessarily do anything to her and that's why i did not like how she comes on and you know she's talking about well they have the screen thing right and it's like gypsy decides she needs space blah blah whatever so she's taking space um she's gonna go with the family and then immediately it's, you know, it's a codependent marriage.

It's a codependent relationship. Like him, like us being separate for when I came down to spend one-on-one time with dad and the way he reacted.
He didn't do anything wrong, though. Like, yes, poor choice of words by saying, like, I don't give a fuck about the alone time with your dad thing.
Absolutely poor choice of words. but he has had not a single spec on the show, at least.

Don't know about real life, of, you know, validation at all. So he's grasping at literal straws and he doesn't know how to handle that.
And I think that that's also a really vulnerable position to be in for a man. Not saying that it's not for a woman, but I just think that it's you, you usually see it flipped.
We don't really, this goes back to the comments that I've made on previous episodes where why couldn't Ryan go there too? And her still have her one-on-one time with the dad, because she's already sharing that time. She's 32.
She's not 18. Okay.
So she's already a full blown adult. Like that's like, bring your husband.
You're already sharing the time with your dad, your mom, and your sister. You are married.
You are not in a, you know, living separate boyfriend, girlfriend situation. That's a different story.
This is your live in husband that y'all have a dog with to me it just feels weird when you're already like yes poor choice of words but the

whole situation to me is weird when you're also ryan blaming the family for all of this is tone

deaf because all this boils down to is chris christy and ken yeah for when he doesn't want to

blame i think it's also in denial he doesn't want to blame gypsy so i think he's in denial of her

Thank you. all this boils down to is christy and ken yeah when he doesn't want to blame i think it's also in denial he doesn't want to blame gypsy so i think he's in denial of her involvement but obviously it's easy to say like well it's this bitch's fault meaning christy because she's been in her ear and he kept saying that has her ear in her ear like all this stuff and i think you know to your point i heard your the last episode you did while i was sick i agree with you i like cory and i we were all you were with us we were all just on vacation what did the guys do one day they all went golfing they went golfing we were you're there on they had alone time together but we're there so like it's not hard to say hey me and dad are going to go do this.
Not, and when he said that he was asked not to come, I would love to know how that conversation went. Would love to know.
Like, was that a text? Was that Gypsy telling him? Was that Christy telling him? Well, who said that he wasn't allowed to come? Was it Rod? Was it Christy? it mia saying oh mom and dad said that he can't like how did that go because if that if that was me it's one thing for ryan to have been invited and ryan said you know what i'm actually going to hang back because this you you could really benefit from some quality time with your family that's's one thing. And I've definitely done that before where like,

you know,

I don't,

I just don't want to go.

But to,

like I said,

if this was a boyfriend,

girlfriend situation, that was not a live in whatever.

Okay.

I could get behind it.

They are married and in their thirties.

That is weird.

So then we see Christy, Miapsy all together christy ends up referring to gypsy going from one prison to another prison to essentially another and mia was quick mia was like don't go that far and i'm i'm team mia i'm I have questioned some of the stuff because at one point she was like,

um,

you. And I'm team Mia.
I'm team Mia. I have questioned some of the stuff because at one point she was like defending Christy in one of the episodes and like not really holding her accountable, but was like trying to hold Rod accountable.
And I didn't really like that. But this one, I'm like, okay, she's seeing the bigger picture here.
Like she truly is seeing the bigger and she's recognizing that her mom has gotten involved where she shouldn't have way too deep way too deep so you know and then Mia also saying like you can love him but it doesn't mean you're compatible and that is a huge thing you can love several people throughout your life and you're not compatible to like actually live together or do life together. I think that's so normal.

Well, I mean, that's kind of how I feel about Ken because he's gay. I 1000% am on board with you.
And then like the grinder thing, I was like, men have come forward and like, is there a possibility that they could be trolls and like making it up? I mean, yeah. But I doubt it i multiple men have come forward and i immediately thought he was gay my gator was going off other people were suspecting the same thing like i wasn't alone in those thoughts um and so it's possible that she is in love with someone who is gay i also didn't love when christy basically was like i told you so like now you see why me and your dad and blah blah blah that is not the time you're being a pick me for what just airtime like I just really don't like Christy like I really don't like she's either being painted in a really bad light or she's just sucks I don't really know which um she hurt I don't like her intentions like she might love and care about Gy, but she cares about the attention and the fame and the airtime on TV.

That's what she cares about. I need to know if you saw what I saw in the closet when they were moving some Gypsy stuff out.
Did you see Baby Yoda? Baby Yoda baby outfit. so i saw that on social media first and they were saying that Gypsy responded to that by saying that she's been collecting some cute baby clothes for a long time.
I'm 30. And other people in the comment section were talking about how they have also been doing the same thing.
To me, that's weird. Like, I do find that a little weird.
And so anyone that has done that, I'm not sorry if you're offended. I do think it's weird.
Yeah, like, I'm 30 years old. I've never purchased a single baby item for me for, like, later never no because like why yeah because like who the fuck knows if like you just don't know like you don't know what the future holds so i thought that that was interesting because also in this episode the i think it was this one or maybe it was last one the pregnancy or no it was last one the pregnancy scare was referenced or not the pregnancy scare, but the pregnancy, um, you know, troll mate made up thing.
Right. So I don't know.
I don't know what to believe. I just thought that that was really interesting to have hanging in your closet.
it um in your opinion do you think gypsy actually cheated on ryan with ken at any point during way earlier no not necessarily way earlier but before she breaks up with him so like yeah they might legally be married or like whatever. if if what the previews aired is in chronological order which we don't know okay which i also definitely think that it did occur regardless of what the show shows agree my opinion is it occurred i think that the she absolutely gets back in contact with Ken and starts physically seeing Ken.

There's no fucking way you can convince me otherwise before she even tells Ryan that she wants a divorce. I also agree with that.
And I'll tell you why. In order for you to make the decision that is so final based on another person to to have that decision made with such finality.
I believe that you had confirmation or some reason to believe that this relationship outside of your marriage was going to work. So there had to have been conversations about them being together or physical relations outside the room.
there had to have been some sort of confirmation for gypsy that she would in

fact be with ken after this or she wouldn't be divorcing ryan no 1000 and then for her to give the exact date in the voice note saying we will be divorced since when she says six to eight months or six to nine months or something like that or her to say that i'm like it's interesting it's very interesting to me so it would be one thing if she filed for divorce and then reunited with ken but i just don't see that happening because it was so um heavily constructed around whether or not ken was available to her um i'm also willing to like actually get into a relationship yeah so i the matching tattoo thing all i could think about was gypsy getting the tattoo and ryan saying but you don't have anything for me or whatever he made that comment and we cringed when he said that. We were like, come on, dude.
Oh, really? We ended up saying like, we felt it was like a insecurity validation situation for you, for her to that quick. And I think that also absolutely definitely occurred before she told him that they were going to get a divorce.
I think, um, I think that that's a huge slap in the face. I did it to hobby.
I was like, I don't want any more't want any more kids. I had this fucking miscarriage.
I don't want to have any more kids. But really, it was, I don't want any more kids with you.
I mean, obviously, I think the miscarriage had something to do with it. But I didn't want to try again with him because my heart was somewhere else right turned around and had two more kids

with somebody else you know what i mean so like it takes one to fucking know one and i'm calling her out yeah so i i will say i'm really pumped i can't wait to see mia get on christy's ass judging from the preview i'm hoping it goes a little further we get more of that conversation than what was shown because somebody needs to put christy at her fucking place um it didn't work for Rod, that's what the answer is.

Which is wild to me.

Like, you're really willing to cause conflict.

But that's which is wild to me

like you're really willing to cause that's why oh marriage but i think it's the show i think it's the aspect of filming and being on tv that is that's why i don't like christy's intentions and i just i don't know i don't get a good feeling from her i haven't from beginning. I'm intrigued.
I'm actually very sad that it's ending because I'm into it. Well, I'll be watching season two.
I don't know if we'll cover it on Barely Famous, but I will definitely be watching season two. So they've definitely locked in their audience if there is, in fact, season two.
Oh, yeah. And I think everyone is like gypsy as a mom.
That's going to be a lot well if she doesn't drive she's gonna need to get her license if she's gonna if she's gonna have a baby like she needs a license for that in a vehicle you are i love how invested you are in her getting love being coming a licensed well because it's like not i mean i don't know anything about where she lives but jesus that was one of the things that I was like freaking out about when I found out I was pregnant with Isaac was like what am I doing about appointments like what am I going to do I'd have to like somebody's they're gonna have to call off a work there wasn't where I lived at the time was not big with um public transportation it wasn't like a major city so it was like I would have to walk or get dropped off at a bus stop and they weren't everywhere. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know what it looks like down there, but I guess we should take a ride down.
We should take a ride down to Louisiana. Get a little feel for the land.
Yeah. And I'll let watch you suck a crawfish or something.
Probably not. I'd get bubble guts.
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