Life After Lock Up - Are You Happy?

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Speaker 1 Welcome to the shit show.

Speaker 3 Things are going to get weird.

Speaker 1 It's your fae villain, Kale Lower.

Speaker 1 And you're listening to Barely Famous.

Speaker 1 How nice of you to show up just like me.

Speaker 1 I

Speaker 1 lucky everywhere.

Speaker 3 I really love that blanket for you. I'm also very excited for mom to finish your stitch one.

Speaker 1 I'm going to need branded blankets after this episode.

Speaker 1 So I actually found

Speaker 1 this episode to be relatively boring. So we're covering episode seven of life after lockup, Gypsy Rose, her life, her, all the things.
This episode is titled, Are You Happy?

Speaker 1 And it is the second to last episode of the series.

Speaker 3 Or a season? We're not sure.

Speaker 1 I guess it's a season one. I'm assuming she's going to have a season two.
I think that pregnancy really put the nail in the coffin for that season two. You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 Oh, definitely. Definitely.

Speaker 1 So immediately upon starting this episode, I noticed that she has shorter hair, blonder hair, and right off the bat, we're pitting family against Ryan.

Speaker 3 Yes.

Speaker 1 Now, my thoughts here are that I just didn't think that was necessary. Um, I don't think the pitting her family against Ryan was necessary

Speaker 1 in her

Speaker 1 finalizing the fact that she wanted to leave Ryan to be with Ken. I think that she could have very much just left

Speaker 1 Ryan and been with Ken and forfeited any of the the pitting against each other. Don't you?

Speaker 3 I, the first thing I wrote out was that, you know, Gypsy's telling them about the fight. Why is that even occurring when she could have just literally told them, hey, guys, you were right.

Speaker 3 I made a mistake or it's not working out. So I'm going to leave him.
Like, that would have been fine. You didn't need to like demonize, villainize him

Speaker 1 to the family. Yeah.
So she's villainizing him and she's also trying, it's almost like she's justifying a reason to break up with him or to divorce him.

Speaker 1 And at this big age, you don't need a fucking reason to do anything. You could just fucking break up with someone or file for divorce and that is your decision.

Speaker 1 And you don't need to justify it to anyone. So it's almost like she,

Speaker 1 yeah, I mean, the controlling or the jealousy and the insecurities, but that I feel like came with the territory of their situation.

Speaker 1 And she really didn't do anything to prevent or make him feel any sort of security there. So I just think she could have just been like, you know what? My heart is actually in fact with Ken.

Speaker 1 I don't want to be with you. And she could have just

Speaker 1 let it be that.

Speaker 3 I think the culmination of it for Ryan is what was leading to his things. I will say, like, if I ever got that text message, I would be pissed the fuck off.

Speaker 3 I definitely don't think that I would show it to the person. Like, we've literally said how many times now, like, we know better to not do that at this point.
But a question I did have for you was

Speaker 3 any time that you were ever in a prior situation that you maybe wanted to get out of that you thought people would be like telling you to stay, did you try to villainize in the same way?

Speaker 3 Not try, but like show negative things that had occurred, in fact, had occurred in the relationship to friends in your life so that they wouldn't be like, well, why would you leave him?

Speaker 3 He's a good guy. Like, do you have your

Speaker 1 and I think the older we get, the better we know, right? Like when you know better, you do better, right?

Speaker 1 Um, when I was in the whole situation with my own marriage and going through that whole divorce and everything else,

Speaker 1 it was very much like, Javi's such a good guy. Javi is such a good guy having such a good guy.
And maybe in general, yeah, but like it wasn't working out for us at the time.

Speaker 1 So I did feel like at the time I had to justify my reason for leaving.

Speaker 1 I was also in my early 20s. So we're talking like

Speaker 1 eight to 10 years ago. You know what I mean? Where like.

Speaker 1 I'm too old to be doing that now. If I choose to leave Elijah right now, I don't need to justify that to anybody except for myself and potentially my kids when they're old enough to understand that.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 I just feel like, too,

Speaker 1 the meddling with Christy has also exacerbated the villainization of Ryan and also has increased her need, increased Gypsy's

Speaker 1 need to justify all of these things instead of just being like, you know what, Christy, you're right. Thank you for telling me about Ken.

Speaker 1 Like, I think I should just be with him and just letting that be that. But I think she wants to blame him.

Speaker 1 She wants to blame Ryan for the divorce instead of just saying, I'm leaving you because I want to be with Ken. Right.
But like, we know that. So, like, you're not really

Speaker 1 doing what you think you're doing.

Speaker 3 Well, so when she made the comment that, you know, Ryan is selfish with her time, she knows this. And she was dealing with that for three years.

Speaker 3 I'm kind of at that point. I'm like, well, if this is the behavior you're trying to use to like show cause for why you're

Speaker 3 thinking about leaving.

Speaker 1 Okay, attorney Kristen. Right.

Speaker 3 Why,

Speaker 3 like it kind of makes you look dumb. If you already knew this was an existing behavior, you've been dealing with it supposedly for three years, then why did you get married to begin with?

Speaker 3 If it was a behavior you couldn't stand then,

Speaker 3 like, why stay? And now you're trying to use, or why even get married, but now you're trying to use it

Speaker 3 in like your defense as to why you're leaving. But you should have never said the three years part because then it's like, well, then why did you marry him?

Speaker 1 This just goes back to our previous conversations about younger decisions being made in your 30s like these are decisions that you and i made in our 20s or we've seen other people make in their 20s and i just feel like there's a little bit more leniency there um

Speaker 3 i did say rod to me seems to be very emotionally mature which i don't know why i'm surprised by that but like he does I really like Rod.

Speaker 1 He's starting to grow on me. I feel like, not that I take back what I said about not really understanding the family's motives.
I I just don't think that he falls into the same category.

Speaker 1 And this episode actually made me feel the same way about Mia because Mia actually, towards the end, sticks up for Ryan.

Speaker 1 And she was like, you should have let Ken tell Gypsy himself. I mean, we're getting ahead of ourselves.
Yes.

Speaker 1 The conversation with Gypsy and then her parents.

Speaker 1 I do feel like Gypsy needs someone to vent to,

Speaker 1 but I think this goes back to

Speaker 1 you and my private conversations about having that one person that you can vent to.

Speaker 1 You know, I've made the mistake of like telling one person all my issues, every single fucking feeling I ever had about Elijah in the beginning when we were new and things like that.

Speaker 1 And then I think that it truly negatively impacted the relationship and the view that that person had on Elijah. So I know now that I cannot vent to everybody.
There's only like you pick one person.

Speaker 1 And then when you pick that one person, you even still pick and choose what you're going to tell that person and what you're going to vent about.

Speaker 1 Um, I agree. I just don't know what the solution here is for Gypsy because Gypsy doesn't seem to have any like real solid quality friends

Speaker 1 outside of her family, and that's a tricky situation in and of itself.

Speaker 1 Because even if she were to go to her sister, who's closer to her age, and that's like the type of relationship that she wants to have, like just a couple

Speaker 1 episodes ago, we were talking about the pregnancy scare situation with her sister. I feel like that would be the most fitting,

Speaker 1 but it's almost like she's telling some negative things to Mia, some negative things to Rod, a lot of negativity to Christy. And so all of them have different stories and variations of the negativity.

Speaker 1 So I don't know what the solution here is outside of like

Speaker 1 trying to maybe gear it towards maybe one person and then also picking and choosing what you're saying.

Speaker 3 I think

Speaker 3 you also have to know the person, right?

Speaker 3 To decide, like, because there there are 1000% people who can listen to you bitch about somebody or something and literally never think twice about it or have a different feeling towards somebody.

Speaker 3 It's just like you understand that that's life and shit happens, and people have positive and negative qualities, and you don't hold it against the other person.

Speaker 3 So, for me, looking at the characters that, you know, Gypsy has to choose from, yeah, dad, Christy, Mia, that's it. Because obviously, you're not going to vent to your husband about your husband.

Speaker 3 So, dad, Christy, Mia.

Speaker 3 Looking at the three of them, I wholeheartedly believe that Mia

Speaker 3 would be the one that I feel like I would choose to go to for the fact that it's not your parents.

Speaker 3 And I think your parents usually have more weight in your mind than a sibling, just for like for me personally.

Speaker 3 I know like if my mom or dad said something to me or my brother did, I'm going to like tell my brother he's dumb as shit. And I'm going to listen to my parents.

Speaker 3 So I wouldn't want them to have the negative viewpoint, but I think Mia is the one that's capable of hearing the

Speaker 3 negative and not changing her opinion because I haven't seen her opinion change yet. Like she said, and she has stood on that.
Is she questioning things at times? Yes. But so am I as a viewer.
1000%.

Speaker 3 So I think that she did a disservice to her, Gypsy. I mean, I mean, did a disservice to herself by telling Christy shit.

Speaker 3 But I also think she wanted to because I think that it made Christy more inclined to tell her things about Ken, which is what she wanted.

Speaker 1 So So, what it boils down to is Christy through this entire season has meddled and

Speaker 1 created things that she should not have done.

Speaker 3 I wanted to ask you,

Speaker 3 coming from someone who's been divorced and been through a lot of relationships in life, when Gypsy was making the comments about trying to make things work and it's she's trying to do this and trying to do that to like stay in the marriage or whatever.

Speaker 1 I don't believe her.

Speaker 3 I don't, I don't either. But in a cycle, she mentions that this is a cycle that continues to happen in a cycle

Speaker 3 for somebody that is actually actively trying to stay. At what point, though, do you stop trying to make it work?

Speaker 1 Like, how do you, you know, you have to put an expiration date on things.

Speaker 1 You know, that's like my thing. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And I just feel like you,

Speaker 1 it

Speaker 1 goes back to when I was getting divorced and I tried to get divorced before I actually filed for divorce because the attorney was like, you're not ready for this.

Speaker 1 Like, logistically speaking, you need to go get your ducks in a row and then come back to me when you're ready. And then I never really went back to her.

Speaker 1 But then I had one of the producers tell me that you, like, I was going through that other toxic relationship separate from my divorce.

Speaker 1 And he literally said, like, you have to put an expiration date on like when you're going to stop. And that really just resonated with me.
And that's what I've been doing ever since. So if there is

Speaker 1 minimal or no efforts from this point till this point, it's time to call it quits. But I just don't believe Gypsy.
I don't think that she's really done anything.

Speaker 1 And in the car, for one of the conversations that she's having with Ryan, she says, I'm in therapy and you're in therapy. And he's like, Okay, well, let's go to counseling.

Speaker 1 And she's like, basically, just like brushing it off. And it's just like,

Speaker 1 you're not, you're already

Speaker 1 you. Yes.
And I wrote that. I literally wrote that she is checked out.
And when a woman is checked out, it's very different than when a man is, when a man is checked out, I feel.

Speaker 1 And that's just like the nature of the beast. But

Speaker 1 there's, I really like Rod. I do.
I like Rod. He's grown on me.
I think he's really cool. Like he's like a bro.
You know what I mean? Yeah. But

Speaker 1 he, he says that Ryan knew what he was getting himself into. And I have to disagree with that

Speaker 1 because we've seen it on prison brides and we've seen it here.

Speaker 1 And I've seen it in my own experience dating a felon is like.

Speaker 1 What do they call like a pipe dream? Like you, when you're, when someone is in prison and the there's another person on the outside

Speaker 1 you have all of these dreams and these goals and these aspirations and all of these like

Speaker 1 i don't i don't want to call them like make-believe but like fantasy it's like a fantasy yeah you're like romanticizing and fantasizing like what it's going to be like and what's going to happen and i just feel like while they're not ill-intended they're they're they're they're with good intentions

Speaker 1 it never really works out that way and that was something that i talked about a lot when we were covering prison brides.

Speaker 1 It's like, even the best couples that were like doing really well and like we had really good, like high hopes for them, I said, once they get free, after a little time has passed, they are going to want to go while the fuck out.

Speaker 1 Like they're going to want to go do their own thing. And that's basically what, in my opinion, what it feels like Gypsy is doing.

Speaker 1 I don't think that Ken could have predicted what was going to come out of it. Like, not Ken.

Speaker 1 I don't think that ryan knew what he was getting himself into i really don't then i would agree with you i think that

Speaker 3 there's no way to predict that part which is also why i think

Speaker 3 and something i kept going back to why get married while in prison it kept making me come back to that because you know gypsy makes a comment later down in the episode talking about how this marriage isn't what she envisioned that it would be.

Speaker 3 It's a little different. And it's like, that's because you had no actual relationship.
I hate to say that, but you did not have a relationship.

Speaker 3 And we'll call it the real world because you were in prison.

Speaker 3 So, like, some of these things that were deal breakers or things that she's now not liking, which a lot of it has to do with the fact that it's because Ken is available and she knows he wants her back.

Speaker 3 So, like, all this is pretty null and void. But

Speaker 3 she would have figured out that Ryan was not her person if they were dating actually in the real world.

Speaker 1 Do you date Ryar?

Speaker 3 I do.

Speaker 1 I think that her and Ryan would have had a better shot had Ken never resurfaced. Like, I think that she would have stayed with him for a while longer, if not

Speaker 3 indefinitely. I think she would have stayed, but I don't think she would have been truly happy.
And like that is something I'm trying to also keep in mind.

Speaker 3 She never, if you see her with Ken, like now, we're talking like today, and you see her with Ryan from what is shown.

Speaker 3 The only time, and I notated it like for this episode specifically, it was really refreshing and cute to see them at the jump park, her and Ryan, laughing, joking around, and having a good time.

Speaker 3 Not saying that that didn't happen more frequently than was shown, because obviously it wouldn't really make sense to go from like they're having all these good times to like, she's leaving him. But

Speaker 3 she just never seemed

Speaker 3 genuinely happy. She seemed complacent.

Speaker 1 She seemed comfortable.

Speaker 1 This is one of those things where, like, I have to dig deep into what my therapist has said or like what Katie Morton has said to me when I was stuck on Chris, but sort of dating somebody else because

Speaker 1 it

Speaker 1 love is not the one that's more complacent and doesn't have you all like,

Speaker 1 what is like, what am I trying to say?

Speaker 3 It's the highs and the lows. You get addicted to the highs and highs and the lows, and it's the normalcy that actually feels boring to you.
And you've said that to me several times.

Speaker 3 And I think that there's a difference. Like, I'll use my own relationship, for example.
I would say that we're comfortable, right? We have our routine. We don't always have to be talking.

Speaker 3 We could be sitting on the couch watching a TV show and everything is cool and all that stuff. But like, we frequently are having a good time and laughing together and whatever over the dumbest shit.

Speaker 3 And I'm not saying that's everyone's relationship, but that's,

Speaker 3 I couldn't be in one that I didn't do that in. So to see them like

Speaker 3 in the comfortable moments, I think a lot of the times felt actually uncomfortable. And in just like, even, even with from last episode, you're not going to sit next to me.

Speaker 3 She, like, you just made it weird. Like, you just made it weird.
She was sitting in the same living room as you. She's loving on her dog.

Speaker 3 I just think that I don't really think that they were codependent on each other, like she was explaining. I don't get the codependent vibe.

Speaker 3 I get the Ryan wants to be loved so bad and wants a wife and a family so bad that he's trying to do whatever to make it work. And I get the

Speaker 3 she is,

Speaker 3 it's not reciprocated. It is nothing that like compliments aren't even reciprocated.

Speaker 1 But I think it's because, well, yeah, I mean, I guess going back to the very first episode, it was kind of that way from the second she got out of prison. He was kind of all over her.

Speaker 1 And that's when it was cringe. But now it's like, I don't know, I guess you're right.
I could see that it's just like a very different thing, but

Speaker 3 I see your point too about the normal complacent can, you know, really not appease certain people if they're used to tumultuous relationships.

Speaker 1 Maybe that complacent isn't the right word because I think that people like complacent to me is like you're stagnant, but content, I feel like gets a bad rap.

Speaker 1 Like the word content gets a bad rap because they're like, oh, you shouldn't be content. But I think in terms of a relationship, I think that's okay.

Speaker 1 And like, I would rather be content than be in a relationship that's like highs and lows all the time. Now, she's like deflecting her own accountability and blaming her,

Speaker 1 what did she call him, like her partner in crime? What did she call him?

Speaker 3 Co-defendant. Co-defender.

Speaker 1 What are your thoughts? So, what are your thoughts here?

Speaker 3 So, that one,

Speaker 3 I didn't really, it didn't feel taking accountability for me. I don't know why it was titled that.

Speaker 3 I also don't understand what from that video, from what we were shown. I didn't see that in real time.
And obviously, it got deleted.

Speaker 3 But seeing what we saw of that, what the video is that she made on the show, I don't feel like in any way, shape, or form, that could even be interpreted as trying to contact

Speaker 3 the codefendant to get her in trouble. Like, I didn't understand how that was being reported to parole.
Even the comments that they showed saying, like, someone report this to her, parole.

Speaker 3 Parole will find this really interesting.

Speaker 3 Whatever we got, whatever we heard from that video, had nothing to do with her attempting to contact. It was literally her saying,

Speaker 3 you know, I'm not really going to comment on that, but here's like, I think two lives were lost that night, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. She's entitled to have an opinion.

Speaker 3 How the fuck is that being interpreted as her trying to contact the guy that's still in jail who actually killed the mom?

Speaker 1 You know, trolls will be trolling.

Speaker 3 Yeah, but like enough to get the parole officer to call you, that seems a little wild to me.

Speaker 3 And I think that maybe like parole practices need to be updated given social media because that's probably a lot of extra work that they never had to deal with before because of social media.

Speaker 3 But like,

Speaker 3 or put it in the parole like guidelines when you leave that you can't have social media because that seems insane to me that it could be viewed that way.

Speaker 3 Before that happened, it was when she recorded her self-upset. We saw that right before it led into that scene with that.

Speaker 3 can I just say the whole flowers thing where she kept talking about the flowers? He bought her flowers and he apologized. Can we stop buying flowers when we fuck up?

Speaker 1 Can we just normalize buying flowers just because?

Speaker 3 Like make them a good thing. Because I have a pet, that's a pet peeve of mine.
That is a very big pet peeve. And I've been in relationships where I would literally call them fuck up flowers.

Speaker 3 The only time I would get flowers was when they did something bad or something bad was occurring.

Speaker 3 And it's like, I don't need a fucking reminder sitting here for a week until they die that you fucked up.

Speaker 1 So it's just, that's just weird to me. That's a good point.
Also, going back to your, um, to your point about not having social media in the like parole plan or whatever.

Speaker 1 The only thing that makes me nervous about that is

Speaker 1 you've seen me and you've helped me have to get Instagram handles and other social handles because trolls will take your business name or take your name and run a profile as you

Speaker 1 um

Speaker 1 that's a scary thought because they're

Speaker 3 allowing the handle is different than act being active on social media like i think yeah you know definitely having

Speaker 1 for it to be it not in there is shocking to me yeah but because they it's a catch-22 because it's like

Speaker 1 you run the risk of them lying and running profiles that they can't prove is actually them right like their parolees and things like that you run the risk of them just like having it, not as them.

Speaker 1 But then also, there's trolls out there that could be them.

Speaker 1 You have the risk of like

Speaker 1 them giving permission to

Speaker 1 AI, which is so fucking scary. But like, it's terrible.

Speaker 1 There's a lot of things that all of it is scary.

Speaker 3 I need to know your thoughts and reaction to Gypsy being upset, freaking out, because obviously in her head, she's thinking, I'm going back to prison. And Ryan's like that's revenue I need to know

Speaker 1 your thoughts so I wrote that down as well

Speaker 1 and I have several thoughts obviously because I've been in this industry and I've been there and I literally like

Speaker 1 have been through something similar

Speaker 1 um number one is that gypsy should have

Speaker 1 a social media person like a strategist or like a manager or something or a PR person that she is running their her content by

Speaker 1 um and giving her like being a good voice of reason for her content slash running her stuff for her they're submitting she submits them the content and they post and she doesn't get on it at all

Speaker 1 I also understand Ryan's perspective that that is revenue because

Speaker 1 Right now she doesn't contribute to anything and that probably is one of her only sources of income.

Speaker 3 I would would agree.

Speaker 1 Without

Speaker 1 her millions and millions and millions of views, she would not have this show right now.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 to me, it's one of those things where, like, you, you can't have both worlds. You can't have this big social media, TV, fame, presence sort of situation and be off social.

Speaker 1 Like you can, but, but you can't because people

Speaker 1 are watching her show because they've seen her on social media. If she was just never on social media, like look at Casey Anthony.
Where the fuck is she? Nobody cares. Nobody knows.

Speaker 1 Nobody's following up. Nobody's checking in.

Speaker 1 Same thing could have been done with Gypsy. So like, I get it.
Also, if she wants to leave Ken so bad, or if she wants to leave Ryan so bad, she needs the income.

Speaker 3 I also feel like,

Speaker 3 because I saw all the perspectives, right? And like things that you've gone through and conversations we've had. And like I've had to make similar comments to you, right?

Speaker 3 Like, okay, this is what this decision would mean for this type of revenue. We've had those conversations.

Speaker 1 Kristen,

Speaker 1 not posting for one week for me is detrimental to my income. Right.

Speaker 3 So, like, we've had those conversations. The difference is you and I are not in a relationship, right? Like, we're not, I'm not married to you.

Speaker 3 I think that it is my biggest piece of advice would be to get somebody in the in-between to that Ryan is not having to comment or deal with topics of revenue.

Speaker 3 Of course, it would affect affect him since they're married, but having somebody else be the one to be like, okay,

Speaker 3 you know, you're dealing with the revenue situation and it's just being reported to you, like, okay, you know, if this happens, this is what this means.

Speaker 3 Or yeah, sure, you have to shut down your stuff to prevent going to prison. Because at the end of the day, if it's prison or it's money, obviously no one wants to go to fucking prison.

Speaker 3 So for him to be like,

Speaker 3 revenue before going back to prison, I think that I think he wasn't that way.

Speaker 1 I didn't, I did not

Speaker 3 caught in the moment. I think for him, it was the logistic.
I think it was, how the fuck is the guy telling you that you need a job going to tell you to stop doing the thing that's bringing in money?

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 3 I think just he went

Speaker 3 of gypsy being immediately into biggest fear live coming true. I'm in trouble.
I did something wrong. I'm going back to prison.
Because, like, that's.

Speaker 3 That would probably be the biggest thing on my mind. If I was out on parole, knowing that I had X amount of time left that I could potentially be serving, if I fuck up, I would be terrified.

Speaker 3 So I get both sides, but I think like definitely getting someone in there, whether it's a manager or something to be dealing with that side of it, where it's like, okay, like you said, like a manager would have been like, okay, easy problem.

Speaker 3 You're not getting on it. We are.

Speaker 3 Or something, like figured something out or immediately was like, fuck this for putting you behind a paywall.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 So I think

Speaker 3 that part is hard. And I know that that takes time for people to learn.
Either they're going to self-manage or they're not. And self-managing does not work for everybody.

Speaker 3 And dealing with actual management doesn't work for everybody either. So I think you have to figure that out.

Speaker 1 But I think it definitely came off insensitive for him on the show. Like just as a viewer of the show, I understand why that would come off insensitive.

Speaker 1 And also it being your husband too, I think in the grand scheme of things, take the show out of the picture it still comes off insensitive it feels like your intentions are not the best but i also understood because i've been there i just think that gypsy doesn't have enough neutral people in her party in her camp with that can advocate for her finances and her

Speaker 3 best interests publicly and then she needs her husband to be her husband not her like financial yes because that gets sticky and like you have to have tough conversations which like that's what i was saying before like you and I have had to have I've had to tell you shit as a business situation that I would is completely contradictory of what I would tell you as my friend 100% and that is never a fun we make it work but it's not necessarily always a fun place to be in and having to have the mindset of and I think it's easier to do with a friend than it would be a partner like I don't think that I could ever that's just I just don't think that I'd be able to do that if it were like me and Corey in that situation and Corey would have to tell me I wouldn't be okay with that.

Speaker 3 And I think that would hold not resentment, but feelings associated. And it would make me think, okay, you don't have my best interest at heart, but that's not the case.

Speaker 3 You're just thinking of both sides.

Speaker 3 I also was

Speaker 3 noting on here where she's crying outside on the balcony and she's saying, everybody wants to send me back.

Speaker 3 And I was like, this is the perfect because we saw and we've heard so many people say crazy amounts of support she's gotten, right?

Speaker 3 All this positivity about her being out, advocating for her to be out, all this stuff. And what is she saying? Everyone wants to send me back.

Speaker 3 And I literally wrote, This is the perfect example of what I'm talking about when I say that the negativity is always so much louder.

Speaker 1 It always is. I remember a time where I was, it just felt like,

Speaker 1 and it's just up until recently that I have felt like everybody was a get, like everybody hates Kale kind of thing.

Speaker 1 And then I blocked all of the

Speaker 1 any hate that I was seeing, I just blocked them because it was so loud. I couldn't see any positivity at all.
And it was so discouraging and depressing and just like a really awful place to be.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 I didn't tell you this, but like I went on

Speaker 1 and looked at some of the pages that I blocked. And it's crazy because

Speaker 1 between leaving the show and then also blocking out all the negativity and kind of laying low and like going a different direction, there's not as much hate, but also

Speaker 1 it really, like, once you delete it, it, you, you start.

Speaker 3 You live in a completely different world. It literally is like you're looking at a different world in its entirety.

Speaker 1 Yes. And, and, and the support becomes louder because I can't tell you the last time I read a hate comment about me, but I also block as much of it out as I can.

Speaker 1 The trolls will have to work way fucking harder to get to me than they ever did before. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 So, I just, but this goes back to me suggesting that Gypsy probably needs better people in her camp on the professional side because they also need to be like helping her run the accounts with her in a, in a sense of like blocking out the hate.

Speaker 1 Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 So, like, Gypsy might not be on, like, she might be commenting back as herself, but on the back end, her manager is blocking out every person that's leaving like horrible comments and being hateful.

Speaker 3 1000%. And I think that that, you know,

Speaker 3 I think that that is a message to anyone that deals with

Speaker 3 whether you're on the creator side, whether you're on an influencer side, whatever you're on, anybody in any type of public light, I would say that is the biggest tip to give because

Speaker 3 we used to go toe to toe and you would tell me, no, everybody fucking hates me. You didn't want to hear otherwise.

Speaker 3 And it's like, but I live in a different world because I don't look at it and it's not me. So I'd be like, no, like, that's just the world that you're seeing because it's so loud.

Speaker 1 And then you go and see because I've never seen,

Speaker 1 I really haven't seen any hate towards her.

Speaker 1 Like, I, as a consumer of the show and someone who has followed this since the beginning, I have not personally seen any hate towards Gypsy, so it definitely depends on the lens that you're looking through.

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Speaker 1 So they go to eat at one point, and

Speaker 1 so awkward

Speaker 1 the restaurant, and she's like in a mood.

Speaker 3 Literally, all I kept saying was because she doesn't want to be hanging out with you, because she doesn't want to be like, She doesn't want to be hanging out with you.

Speaker 1 She doesn't want to do this on camera because she already knows how this is going to look.

Speaker 1 But Ryan starts listing off all of the things that they haven't done and all the things that she wants to do, right?

Speaker 1 And she's just kind of like shrugging it off and just like not really giving him any like feedback or like being great, like

Speaker 1 excited about any of these things, right? Yeah.

Speaker 1 And he asks her about remarrying him, but hold on, I want to bring it back to

Speaker 1 all the things that they haven't done.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 she's like, oh, I don't want to do this on camera. Why do we have to do this on camera? I don't want to do this on camera, right?

Speaker 1 But you'll film yourselves arguing on camera and then you'll submit it to the producers. Like,

Speaker 1 make that logic make sense, right? Like, because you literally filmed y'all. Like, that was embarrassing.
That was cringe. Like, I never want to see that again.

Speaker 1 Like, I don't want to see anyone do that. Like, if the cameras are not there for a fight, I will not be filming a fight and submitting it to you.

Speaker 1 I might talk about the fight after it happened, but I will not film the fight in real time. Okay.
That's never going to happen from Miss Kale

Speaker 1 Lowryland. Got it?

Speaker 1 That's the cringiest thing I've ever seen from a reality person, but I want to bring it back to

Speaker 1 Gypsy feels like life is cookie cutter and it's routine and it's mundane and it's redundant.

Speaker 1 But he just got done listing all of the things that he wants to do with you and that you guys haven't done yet. And you didn't give it,

Speaker 1 just say you're checked out because

Speaker 3 you don't want to do it. You don't want to do life with him.
And

Speaker 3 that's all I kept saying. And I'm like, oh my God, like this is actually

Speaker 3 like, okay.

Speaker 3 You don't have to like pick and choose like what they air.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I'm like

Speaker 3 what they were getting from that entire situation to come down to this little bit.

Speaker 3 I couldn't imagine being the field producer and sitting there while this was going down because she literally, it was like the silent treatment. I was like,

Speaker 3 no.

Speaker 3 You couldn't at least be cordial. So I just was, and then her comments about, I don't want to do this on camera, yada, yada, yada, before he even brought up,

Speaker 3 like, she she was making comments about like, uh, like, I just, I'm not feeling this, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 3 Then when he brings up the re, the marriage thing, I wrote that down also, the remarrying thing.

Speaker 3 Do you think that was prompted by production or do you think he did it intentionally because she wouldn't have private conversations about it?

Speaker 3 So he thought it would force her to give him an answer if he did it in front of the cameras.

Speaker 1 Could be both. Both could be true.

Speaker 1 Both could be true.

Speaker 1 It could have been prompted and he also could have, because I tell my kids all the time, don't fucking ask me to do things in front of people because the answer is probably no, but you're going to force me to say yes, and I don't fucking like that.

Speaker 1 So I feel like,

Speaker 1 you know, it's one of those things.

Speaker 3 It felt a little to me manipulative.

Speaker 1 I just

Speaker 3 get her to give an answer. That was the way

Speaker 1 I felt. I didn't get that vibe, but

Speaker 1 I'm also not that great of a judge of character. So it's hard to say.

Speaker 1 I just still have this burning question that I asked either last episode or the episode before that. Does she have a license? Is she learning to drive? Will Gypsy be able to

Speaker 1 drive places?

Speaker 3 Do you, I mean, this would be weird because, like, I definitely have known people out on parole that can drive, but do you think a term of her parole was that she can't?

Speaker 1 I don't know. And I'm also surprised by the no alcohol establishments, like if their main, their main business is to like sell alcohol or like whatever.
Like her drug, her

Speaker 1 gypsy's crime didn't involve alcohol in any way. And she doesn't have an out, like a substance problem.
So that also surprised me.

Speaker 3 She's not the only one I've seen that happen to. I know a couple people that also had restrictions when it had nothing to do with substances at all that had restrictions on

Speaker 3 alcohol, obviously, and drugs. So I thought I wasn't like too shocked by that part.

Speaker 3 I was was curious about the driving thing.

Speaker 3 And the only reason I say that is because further down in the episode, like very towards the end, when she ends up going with her parents, she said she had to have her shit transferred because like different cities like had to have her stuff transferred.

Speaker 3 So I was like, I wonder if it has something to do with like borders

Speaker 3 for like you can't cross whatever for parole, maybe. Like I just was very

Speaker 1 you can't expect a parole lead to get a job, like a norm, not gypsy included, because her, her life is a little bit different, but like a normal

Speaker 1 person

Speaker 1 who needs to get a job when they get out of prison, they can't get to prison if they're not allowed to drive.

Speaker 3 That's what I, so I was just, I'm, I am intrigued by that. Um, they get in the car after the date, and Ryan's like, I'm just gonna let you be,

Speaker 1 but then continues on, but then doesn't let her be.

Speaker 1 That's nothing. I feel like that's all men.
They just literally nobody, nobody wants to like give time for people to process their feelings or think about what's being said.

Speaker 1 And like, we know that Gypsy's checked out. As women, we know we can see it because we've been there.

Speaker 1 I think all of us in life have been in a position where we are so insecure with where things are that we just want an answer right now. And so I sympathize and empathize with that.

Speaker 1 And like I understand it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But he also needs to just back off a little bit because pressuring her to give him an answer is not necessarily going to give him the outcome that he wants, and it's not necessarily going to give him the answer that he wants.

Speaker 1 So, I just, I get it, I do, and it humanizes him because we've been there. But Gypsy already said she was in a mood, and

Speaker 1 you know, he does sound understanding at first, and so I think that he wants to be understanding and he wants to be supportive, but like he doesn't necessarily have the tools to like

Speaker 1 do that in the right way.

Speaker 3 It feels like he has to play two roles from the way he was describing it, which is his role as

Speaker 3 like her husband.

Speaker 3 But he has to put his feelings on the back burner, it seems, all the time because he's always saying, I have to be aware of her triggers and I have to be aware of this and I have to be aware of that.

Speaker 3 And like any good therapist will tell you, it is not the other person's responsibility to learn how to deal with you. It's your responsibility to learn how to deal with everybody else.

Speaker 3 So I give him props for

Speaker 3 doing what he's doing and trying to be sensitive and basically coddling her and her situations. But that is not,

Speaker 3 that is not a good foundation for a marriage when you can't express your feelings out of fear that you're going to trigger the other person.

Speaker 1 It doesn't help when she's manipulating. She's manipulative and manipulating him.
So

Speaker 1 she's throwing in his face, oh, you know, triggers and trauma and this and that from my past, my childhood, my mom, you know, all of prison, all of these things. She's using that to manipulate him.

Speaker 1 And so he's constantly feeling like that, he's doing the right thing by

Speaker 1 acknowledging all these triggers. But to your point, it's like, that's not a him problem.
That's our her problem. He can't, and that goes with anyone.
Eventually, though,

Speaker 1 what happens with Ken or the next person that she's with? Is she going to do the same thing? Like at what point? And obviously it's still fresh.

Speaker 1 So I'm not saying right now that she needs, she's going to just like figure it out because it's going to take time. but just like

Speaker 3 what the fuck ultimately like ultimately it's not everyone else's responsibility to learn how to like deal with you it's just not and i have experiences with that in my personal life and it's not everybody's problem to have to understand that you have issues like like your own set of issues and your own set of baggage and complications and all that stuff it's just not that's not realistic um

Speaker 3 Her saying you have to want to work at it sealed it for me. I was like, she's already done, gone.
Why are you not out, Ryan? You're sitting here being like, It's not up to me. It's not my decision.

Speaker 3 It's up to her. Like, you're literally getting your heart broken time and time and time and time again

Speaker 3 out of fear of abandonment, maybe, like, some type of abandonment situation. Like, you want to be loved so badly, and she's treating you like literal dog shit.

Speaker 3 And you're still staying. She's not picking you, bro.

Speaker 1 Like, she's just not.

Speaker 1 Well, and he says that he feels like this is all of a sudden. We know as viewers that women check out way before men ever like realize we do.
And I think part of that is that,

Speaker 1 well, I think all of it truly is Ken. Ken coming back into the picture or the hope that he's back into the picture or whatever.
Um,

Speaker 1 is that, but I also think that she's been checked out for a long time, so it seems all of a sudden because she's so set in it now. Um, I literally, she says,

Speaker 1 someone else can love you. Someone else can love, someone else can give you the love you deserve.
I literally said that to my ex when I had been checked out for so fucking long.

Speaker 1 And truly, I was only with him because I thought that the other person wasn't an option.

Speaker 1 And when I decided that I was over and done with him, I also was over and done with the rebound situation, which I do actually think that Gypsy used Ryan as. I don't think she realized it at the time.

Speaker 1 I was going to say she admitted it on the episode. But I don't think that she knew what she was doing at the time.

Speaker 1 And it wasn't until now, where Ken is kind of circling back that she realizes, oh, wow, Ryan was in fact a rebound.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 she doesn't want him to think that he did anything wrong. And so, like, all of this is really manipulative.
All of this is really triggering.

Speaker 1 And I literally said this to my ex when I broke up with him was like,

Speaker 1 it was like this realization that he was just a placeholder. Like, I always knew from start to finish that this was never my person.

Speaker 1 It was just somebody that held my attention for for this small time and did a job that they needed to do during this time. And, like, it's not okay, but it does happen.
This is life.

Speaker 1 So, like, it does happen. And I get that.
But, like,

Speaker 1 she didn't, why did she have to marry him? Like, I can't, I cannot wrap my head around the fact that you married this person. What was the purpose of that?

Speaker 1 Like, why couldn't you commit to him, get out of prison, live with him for a little while, and then decide if you wanted to marry him? Because all of this could have been way easier.

Speaker 3 I still think

Speaker 3 that the the opinion that I had a couple episodes ago is true, that I think that she did it to get Ken's attention. I think that that was the ultimate goal.

Speaker 3 And we find out in this episode, she, well, I think it was this episode, or maybe it was last episode,

Speaker 3 that Ken and her spoke

Speaker 3 after her and Ryan were married.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 3 Yes.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 When he was asked, when he was asked, when is the last time you talked to her?

Speaker 3 It was right before she was getting out of prison and she was already married no he said the last time he talked to her was two weeks before the wedding no i swear to you he literally said when they when producers literally said to him when was the last conversation you had with gypsy he said right before she got out of prison because i literally wrote down i was like whoa

Speaker 3 I thought it was initially we all thought we all were told that it was two weeks before her wedding. We knew that part, but he literally said it was right before she got released from prison.

Speaker 3 And I literally was like, So you were married having a conversation with your ex.

Speaker 1 Are you sure that wasn't the conversation that was with Chrissy that was relayed back to Gypsy?

Speaker 3 No, it was the producers in front of Ken sitting in wherever he was sitting. I have it.
Was it? I don't think it was.

Speaker 3 Was it this one or was it last one?

Speaker 1 Let me see. Hold on.

Speaker 3 Comfortable. 68 weeks.

Speaker 3 Yes, I literally wrote they had talked right before she got out of prison. So after marriage, question mark

Speaker 3 because she was married well before getting out of prison.

Speaker 3 So I was like,

Speaker 3 back the fuck up. It was last episode, but we didn't get to talk about it.

Speaker 1 See, I don't think that Gypsy, just because I've been, I did this, like, so when I was with

Speaker 1 after,

Speaker 1 I literally wouldn't marry him because I thought that at some point I would get his attention again

Speaker 1 and we would be together. I didn't want to make any permanent decisions like marrying someone else because I thought that I could still get his attention.

Speaker 1 So to me, I don't think that she did it to get his attention. Her trying to get his attention was her

Speaker 1 calling him two weeks before the wedding. And she said he didn't say to wait for him.
And that is why she got married.

Speaker 1 So that's why I don't think that she did it for attention to get his attention because she already had it and he didn't care.

Speaker 3 I don't, I don't know. I just still feel because to her, it seems like,

Speaker 3 and I, and I said this too, I think people in general, our age, like our,

Speaker 3 you know, situation, people talk and go into marriages as if they're just relationships. And it actually like is annoying, like coming from a married person.

Speaker 3 It's annoying as fuck when it's treated so lightly.

Speaker 3 Because Because I think that if more emphasis was placed on like making sure, like not doing things on a timeline and actually making sure that the person that you're with is the right person for you.

Speaker 3 And I get the whole like, we're not really set up to be with one person for life thing, but like that is what marriage is. We all know that, but it's treated like, well, we could always get divorced.

Speaker 3 Do you know how many times I've heard that?

Speaker 1 Well, if it doesn't work out, we could just get divorced. I've never heard that and I've never heard anyone treat it like that.
But,

Speaker 1 and I've never done that. Like, I and I'm like,

Speaker 1 what?

Speaker 1 I have never heard of people doing, like, I just,

Speaker 1 what is the purpose of getting married if you just treat it like a relationship?

Speaker 3 That's the shit that I'm like, I'm so confused. So, part of me, like, obviously, Gypsy missed a lot of fucking life between her mom and then being in actual prison.

Speaker 3 I don't really feel like she really took it.

Speaker 3 I don't think she even knew how to take a marriage. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I don't think that she understood the actual

Speaker 1 weight of it.

Speaker 3 Yeah, like it is a weight. I don't, and people can disagree with me.
That's fine. It is a weight.
It 1000% is a weight. People that say getting married doesn't change things,

Speaker 3 I don't know a single person that would agree.

Speaker 1 I will say that I feel bad for Ryan in this episode.

Speaker 1 Regardless of if you're doing the breaking up sometimes or not, breaking up is never easy, right? And like, even when you're the one breaking up, like, it's hard.

Speaker 1 So you're like, I don't want to be with this person, but I still care about them. I mean, I think the Gypsy has a really weird way of showing it, but

Speaker 1 adding the layer of filming and then adding a second layer of it airing later on after you film and you've already been broken up with in front of everybody, and now you're going to be broken up with again in front of the whole like nation

Speaker 1 is really upsetting. Um,

Speaker 1 doing a cutoff for two weeks, I need to hear from my listeners.

Speaker 1 And if you have ever heard of someone like taking that sort of break from your husband, like I've heard of separations, like actual separations, like long-term, or like someone goes to fucking rehab, or like whatever, but a cutoff when you're married just sounds very trivial to me.

Speaker 1 Or not trivial, that's not the right word. It feels very immature to me to have a two-week cutoff from your husband to like get your thoughts.
Like that just sounds so immature.

Speaker 3 Like you're married.

Speaker 1 You're married.

Speaker 3 But that means it's again showing

Speaker 3 that she doesn't understand what it means to be married. It's a relationship, I think.
Like

Speaker 1 I get needing your space when you're married and like going on a girls trip without your husband or your husband goes on, you know, goes golfing for a a weekend and doesn't talk like a weekend situation or like whatever.

Speaker 1 But like this almost feels like a punishment and he didn't even necessarily do anything to her.

Speaker 3 And that's why I did not like how she comes on and, you know, she's talking about, well, they have the screen thing, right? And it's like Gypsy decides she needs space, blah, blah, blah, whatever.

Speaker 3 So she's taking space.

Speaker 3 She's going to go with the family. And then immediately it's, you know, it's a codependent marriage.
It's a codependent relationship. Like

Speaker 3 him, like us being separate for when I came down to spend one-on-one time with dad and the way he reacted. And he didn't do anything wrong, though.

Speaker 3 Like, yes, poor choice of words by saying like, I don't give a fuck about the alone time with your dad thing.

Speaker 3 Absolutely poor choice of words, but he's, he has had not a single spec on the show, at least, don't know about real life of, you know, validation

Speaker 1 at all.

Speaker 3 So he's grasping at literal straws and he doesn't know how to handle that. And I think that that's also a really vulnerable position to be in for a man.

Speaker 3 Not saying that it's not for a woman, but I just think that it's you usually see it flipped.

Speaker 1 We don't really.

Speaker 1 This goes back to the comments that I've made on previous episodes where why couldn't Ryan go there too and her still have her one-on-one time with the dad? Because she's already sharing that time.

Speaker 1 She's 32. She's not 18.
Okay.

Speaker 1 So she's already a full-blown adult. Like, Like, that's like, bring your husband.
You're already sharing the time with your dad, your mom, and your sister.

Speaker 1 You are married. You are not in a, you know, living separate boyfriend, girlfriend situation.
That's a different story. This is your live-in husband that y'all have a dog with.

Speaker 1 To me, it just feels weird when you're already, like,

Speaker 1 yes, poor choice of words, but the whole situation to me is weird when you're also

Speaker 1 Ryan blaming the family for all of this is tone deaf because

Speaker 1 all this boils down to is Christy and Ken.

Speaker 3 Yeah, for both. When he doesn't want to blame, I think it's also in denial.
He doesn't want to blame Gypsy. So I think he's in denial of her involvement.

Speaker 3 But obviously, it's easy to say, like, well, it's this bitch's fault, meaning Christy, because she's been in her ear. And he kept saying that has her ear in her ear, like all this stuff.

Speaker 3 And I think, you know, to your point, I heard the last episode you did while I was sick. I agree with you.

Speaker 3 Like, corey and i we were all you were with us we were all just on vacation what did the guys do one day they all went golfing they went golfing we were you're there on they had alone time together but we're there so like it's not hard to say hey me and dad are gonna go do this

Speaker 3 not

Speaker 3 and when he said that he was asked not to come

Speaker 3 I would love to know how that conversation went.

Speaker 3 Would love to know. Like, was that a text? Was that Gypsy telling him? Was that Christy telling him?

Speaker 1 When you said that he wasn't allowed to come, was it, was it Rod? Was it Chrissy? Was it Mia saying, oh, mom and dad said that he can't come? Like, how did that go? Because if that,

Speaker 1 if that was me, it's one thing for Ryan to have been invited and Ryan said, you know what, I'm actually going to hang back because this, you could really benefit from some quality of time with your family.

Speaker 1 That's one thing. And I've definitely done that before where, like, you know, I don't, I just don't want to go.

Speaker 3 But to

Speaker 1 like I said, if this was a boyfriend-girlfriend situation that was not a live-in, whatever,

Speaker 1 okay, I could get behind it. They are married and in their 30s.
That is weird.

Speaker 3 So then we see Christy, Mia, Gypsy all together. Christy ends up referring to Gypsy going from one prison to another prison to essentially another.
And Mia was quick. Mia was like, don't go that far.

Speaker 3 And I'm, I'm Team Mia.

Speaker 1 I'm Team Mia.

Speaker 1 I have questioned some of the stuff because at one point she was like, um,

Speaker 1 defending Chrissy in one of the episodes and like not really holding her accountable, but was like trying to hold Rod accountable. And I didn't really like that.

Speaker 1 But this one, I'm like, okay, she's seeing the bigger picture here. Like, she truly is seeing the bigger, and she's recognizing that her mom has gotten involved where she shouldn't have.

Speaker 3 Way too deep, way too deep. So,

Speaker 3 you know,

Speaker 3 and then Mia also saying, like, you can love him, but it doesn't mean you're compatible. And that is a huge thing.

Speaker 3 You can love several people throughout your life and you're not compatible to actually live together or do life together. I think that's so normal.

Speaker 1 Well, I mean, that's kind of how I feel about Ken because he's gay.

Speaker 3 I 1000% am on board with you. And then, like, the grinder thing, I was like,

Speaker 1 men have come forward. And, like, is there a possibility that they could be trolls and like making it up? I mean, yeah,

Speaker 1 but I doubt it.

Speaker 1 Multiple men have come forward, and I immediately thought he was gay. My gay dar was going off.
Other people were suspecting the same thing. Like, I wasn't alone in those thoughts.

Speaker 1 Um, and so it's possible that she is in love with someone who is gay.

Speaker 3 I also didn't love when Christy basically was like, I told you so. Like, now you see why me and your dad, and blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 3 That is not the time.

Speaker 1 You're being a pick-me for what, just airtime. Like, I just really don't like Christy.

Speaker 3 Like, I really don't like she's either being painted in a really bad light or she's just sucks. I don't really know which.
Um,

Speaker 1 I don't like her intentions. Like, she might love and care about Gypsy, but she cares about the attention and the fame and the airtime on TV.
That's what she cares about.

Speaker 3 I need to know if you saw what I saw in the closet

Speaker 3 when they were moving some of Gypsy stuff out.

Speaker 3 Did you you see

Speaker 3 baby yoda baby yoda baby outfit

Speaker 1 so i saw that on social media first and

Speaker 1 they were saying that gypsy responded to that by saying that she's been collecting some cute baby clothes for a long time

Speaker 1 i'm 30 And other people in the comment section were talking about how they have also been doing the same thing. To me,

Speaker 1 that's weird. Like, I find that a little weird.
Um, and so anyone that has done that, I'm not sorry if you're offended. I do think it's weird, yeah.

Speaker 3 Like, I'm 30 years old, I've never purchased a single baby item for me for like later. That's never

Speaker 1 known because, like,

Speaker 1 why,

Speaker 3 yeah, because like, who the fuck knows if, like, you just don't know, like, you don't know what the future holds.

Speaker 3 So, I thought that that was interesting because also in this episode, the, I think it was this one, or maybe it was last one.

Speaker 3 The pregnancy, or no, it was last one, the pregnancy scare was referenced, or not the pregnancy scare, but the pregnancy, um,

Speaker 3 you know,

Speaker 3 troll made-up thing, right?

Speaker 3 So,

Speaker 3 I don't know, I don't know what to believe. I just thought that that was really interesting to have hanging in your closet.

Speaker 1 Um, in your opinion,

Speaker 1 do you think

Speaker 1 Gypsy

Speaker 1 actually

Speaker 1 cheated on Ryan with Ken at any point?

Speaker 3 During way earlier?

Speaker 1 No, not necessarily way earlier, but before she breaks up with him. So like, yeah, they might legally be married or like whatever.

Speaker 3 If what the previews aired is in chronological order, which we don't know, okay? Which I also definitely think that it did occur regardless of what the show shows. Agreed.
My opinion is it occurred.

Speaker 3 I think that

Speaker 3 she absolutely gets back in contact with Ken and starts physically seeing Ken. There's no fucking way you can convince me otherwise before she even tells Ryan that she wants a divorce.

Speaker 1 I also agree with that, and I'll tell you why. In order for you to make the decision that is so final based on another person,

Speaker 1 to have that decision made with such finality, I believe that you had confirmation or some reason to believe that this relationship outside of your marriage was going to work.

Speaker 1 So there had to have been conversations about them being together or physical relations.

Speaker 1 Outside the room.

Speaker 1 There had to have been some sort of confirmation for Gypsy that she would, in fact, be with Ken after this

Speaker 1 or she wouldn't be divorcing Ryan.

Speaker 3 No, 1000%. And then for her to give the exact date in the voice note saying we will be divorced in when she says six to eight months or six to nine months or something like that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, something like that.

Speaker 3 For her to say that, I'm like,

Speaker 3 it's interesting. It's very interesting to me.

Speaker 1 So it would be one thing if she filed for divorce and then

Speaker 1 reunited with Ken, but I just don't see that happening because it was so heavily constructed around whether or not Ken was available to her.

Speaker 3 I'm also willing to actually get into a relationship.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So

Speaker 3 the matching tattoo thing, all I could think about was

Speaker 3 Gypsy getting the tattoo and Ryan saying, but you don't have anything

Speaker 3 for me or whatever. He made that comment and we cringed when he said that.
We were like, come on, dude.

Speaker 3 Overly, we ended up saying, like, we felt it was like an insecurity validation situation for you, for her to that quick.

Speaker 3 And I think that also absolutely definitely occurred before she told him that they were going to get a divorce. I think.
think.

Speaker 3 I think that that's a huge slap in the face.

Speaker 1 I did it to hobby. I was like, I don't want any more kids.
I had the, I have this fucking miscarriage. I don't want to have any more kids.
But really, it was, I don't want any more kids with you.

Speaker 1 I mean, obviously, I think the miscarriage had something to do with it, but

Speaker 1 I didn't want to try again with him because my heart was somewhere else. Right.

Speaker 1 Turned around and had two more kids with somebody else. You know what I mean? So, like, it takes one to fucking know one.
And I'm calling her out.

Speaker 3 Yeah. So, I will say I'm really pumped.
I can't wait to see Mia get on Christy's ass, judging from the preview. I'm hoping it goes a little further.

Speaker 3 We get more of that conversation than what was shown because somebody needs to put Christie at her fucking place.

Speaker 1 It didn't work for Rod. That's what I was doing.
Which is wild to me.

Speaker 3 Like, you're really willing to cost me

Speaker 1 your own marriage. But I think it's the show.
I think it's the aspect of filming and being on TV that is, that's why. I don't like Christy's intentions.
And I just,

Speaker 1 I don't know, I don't get a good feeling from her. I haven't from the very beginning.

Speaker 3 I'm intrigued. I'm actually very sad that it's ending because I'm into it.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 I'll be watching season two. I don't know if we'll cover it on Barely Famous, but I will definitely be watching season two.
So they've definitely

Speaker 1 locked in their audience if there is, in fact, season two.

Speaker 3 Oh, yeah. And I think everyone is like gypsy as a mom.
That's going to be,

Speaker 3 that's a lot.

Speaker 1 Well, if she she doesn't drive, she's going to need to get her license if she's going to, if she's going to have a baby. Like, she needs a license for that in a vehicle.

Speaker 3 You are, I love how invested you are in her getting becoming a licensed driver.

Speaker 1 Well, because it's like not,

Speaker 1 I mean, I don't know anything about where she lives, but Jesus, that was one of the things that I was like freaking out about when I found out I was pregnant with Isaac. Was like,

Speaker 1 what am I doing about appointments? Like, what am I going to do? I'd have to, like, somebody's either going to have to call off of work.

Speaker 1 There wasn't where I lived at the time was not big with public transportation, it wasn't like a major city, so it was like

Speaker 1 I would have to walk or get dropped off at a bus stop, and they weren't everywhere. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know what it looks like down there, but I guess we should take a ride down down.

Speaker 1 Uh, we should take a ride down to Louisiana, get a little feel for the land.

Speaker 3 Yeah, and I'll let watch you suck a crawfish or something.

Speaker 1 Probably not.

Speaker 1 I'd get bubble guts.

Speaker 1 Um, all right, y'all. We love you.
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