Life After Lock Up - I Don't Want to be Me

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Speaker 6 welcome to the show things are going to get weird it's your fae villain kale

Speaker 6 and you're listening to barely famous

Speaker 6 hello

Speaker 6 i am on my own today for recording so i'm just going to check these settings really quick and i think we're good to go i i think they updated this site a little little bit.

Speaker 6 Currently reading Darling Girls by Sally Huckworth and I'm alone today because Kristen is sick so I don't want to record when I'm sick and I don't want her to have to record when she's sick.

Speaker 6 However, I am getting my period so we're doing a little bit of self-care this morning.

Speaker 6 I watched the

Speaker 6 Gypsy episode six in its entirety and I have a couple pages of notes. I have some thoughts here.

Speaker 6 And anyone who is in chapter seven book club with us has also shared some of their thoughts on in our little group chat.

Speaker 6 So if you guys haven't already, join Book Club, join our little chat because we do talk a little bit about other things besides books.

Speaker 6 They're like my besties I've never met. So

Speaker 6 we have to get to the burning news first, though. And two people specifically DM'd me asking to do an emergency episode on this.
However, Kristen and I couldn't make that work.

Speaker 6 I was in trial all day yesterday and it was just a lot. So Gypsy announced on social media herself that she is, in fact, pregnant.
Now,

Speaker 6 whatever, whatever floats your boat, nobody was happy when I announced my pregnancy with Lux, tried to hide it, tried to do all of that, and wanted to keep it private, la dee da, right?

Speaker 6 So, I've been there. I've also been really excited and announced on social media, also.

Speaker 6 So, I get that. Um,

Speaker 6 my concern is there are several concerns, right? And not really my business, but because it's out there, I'm gonna comment like y'all do to me.

Speaker 6 Um,

Speaker 6 She gives her exact gestational

Speaker 6 week, I guess you could say. She says she's 11 weeks.
So she didn't even

Speaker 6 get to keep that private, I feel. And then I don't know if you guys remember the saga on, I believe it was Coffee Combos, possibly on baby mamas, but I'm pretty sure it was coffee combos.

Speaker 6 I talked about how Javi had to sign a denial of paternity because we were not divorced for 365 days. So that's how it is in in the state of Delaware.

Speaker 6 And this is kind of like the Northeast, but I know in the South, it's a little bit more complicated.

Speaker 6 And Lindsay had talked a lot about her marriage and Coitis and all of that stuff during her divorce proceedings on Coffee Combo's podcast. So I know that they were pretty strict.

Speaker 6 And basically, unless both of them lied and said, no, we did not have sex, they were not going to move forward with the divorce.

Speaker 6 And

Speaker 6 that concerns me because if she's 11 weeks pregnant and she's still not legally divorced from Ryan, what does that mean? Will he just simply have to file a denial of paternity?

Speaker 6 Could he make it hell for her? Will he actually be on the birth certificate until it all gets worked out otherwise? Do they have to do paternity? Like, I'm very concerned about that. So I feel like

Speaker 6 if she didn't,

Speaker 6 possibly talking to an attorney before she announced probably would have been best, but we don't know if she did or didn't. Okay.

Speaker 6 Episode six.

Speaker 6 In the trailer, like in the beginning, Ryan says, and this is out of context because we didn't, this is just in the beginning, right? He says, am I wrong for fighting for our marriage?

Speaker 6 I thought that was really interesting. So I was really excited to watch the rest of the episode.

Speaker 6 And then the episode starts on basically following up with Ken's interview from the last episode on episode five. I personally believe.
that Ken is loving the attention. He loves being filmed.

Speaker 6 And he does say that Gypsy knows that he's interviewing on this show. So that's interesting.
He says he's pretty sure that Christie has told her.

Speaker 6 I just need,

Speaker 6 I really need you guys to weigh in here on

Speaker 6 Christie's involvement in all of this because I just, as a mom, I can't get behind the idea of

Speaker 6 essentially sabotaging a marriage, even if I don't love it, to

Speaker 6 have the one that I like better like work out. Like, I just don't, I don't know as a mom that that is

Speaker 6 great. I think that you can express your feelings on, and truly I don't even know how I feel about that.
Like, when parents who are

Speaker 6 constantly having opinions about their child relationship and the child is 25, 30, 35 years old,

Speaker 6 I just feel like at some point, we don't want to hear your opinions.

Speaker 6 Like, I personally would never want to hear my mom's opinions on who I'm dating, who I'm married to, who I'm like, that's not your place, it's not your business.

Speaker 6 At some point, you have to let them make their own choices and accept whatever they choose, right? Like, I don't know.

Speaker 6 I need you guys to weigh in a little bit on the Chris, because you guys have over the course of the six episodes. I have

Speaker 6 Ryan is growing on me, right? Like, I do think that he's insecure and I do think that there are issues there, but I also do think that he does and did love Gypsy, right?

Speaker 6 Like, I think, and I do think he loved the attention, but I think both can be true.

Speaker 6 There were times where he was cringy and times that he got under my skin but i also think that he's human and this is all new to him so i do think that he's growing on me i'm trying to give him some grace you guys have weighed in more on that and like ryan absolutely giving you guys the ick over christy's meddling so let's

Speaker 6 let's weigh in there but also

Speaker 6 i dislike ken more than i ever disliked ryan so take that for what it's worth um he wrote to her as a fan and i'm not

Speaker 6 i don't know how i feel about that i don't know if ryan did the same thing i'm like vaguely sure that he also did the same thing which is it's just like weird it's like the same people that are fascinated with like

Speaker 6 chris watts you know what i mean like it's very weird and i want to know from gypsy what stuck out to gypsy for both ryan and ken why did she choose to write them back over everybody else wrote her I'm pretty sure it was Ken that said in the episode that her, him and Gypsy would talk on the phone for hours, like three, four, five hours.

Speaker 6 Who was putting the money on her books? Was Ken putting the money on her books for these calls? Also, him mansplaining in this whole interview is so frustrating.

Speaker 6 And I also want to know, was Gypsy using other people's call times? Like, was that a thing in women's prison? Because I know when I dated a felon, he would, like people would owe favors.

Speaker 6 And so sometimes I would get prison calls from other cellmates, like other

Speaker 6 inmates,

Speaker 6 like accounts or whatever, because they owed favors and things like that.

Speaker 6 So I'm curious to know if that happens in women's prison too, because I I just feel like women do a lot of things differently than men. So if anyone could

Speaker 6 let me know,

Speaker 6 I would be grateful for the knowledge.

Speaker 6 Gypsy calls Mia on the balcony and she's smoking a cigarette. When did she pick up smoking cigarettes and why?

Speaker 6 Because I thought we took care of the dare cigarettes say no to drugs thing when I was growing up. And so it's so,

Speaker 6 and maybe this is just me being naive, but it's very weird for me to see people my age and younger smoking things like cigarettes because Gypsy is my age. She's 32.

Speaker 6 And I just,

Speaker 6 I thought that we were disgusted with cigarettes back then, right? Like when I was growing up. So

Speaker 6 I personally don't know anyone that smokes cigarettes.

Speaker 6 So it's just like weird to see someone my age or younger smoking cigarette. Like it's just foreign.
I don't, I thought we were done with.

Speaker 6 I also want to comment on this because

Speaker 6 I know how filming works. I know how production works.
I know how editing works. And so they don't get to show all the things all the time, right?

Speaker 6 Like that's just the way it works for most shows, I would guess. Unless you're filming 24 hours, which I always argued was a better idea because you're going to get more of what you want.
Um,

Speaker 6 have we seen Gypsy take care of Pixie at all? Because I did note in this episode that we see Ryan bringing the dog in from a potty break.

Speaker 6 And I'm not saying Gypsy doesn't take care of Pixie, but I know now from social media that Ryan still has Pixie.

Speaker 6 And if gypsy is not living there and doesn't have pixie he was i don't know i just thought it was weird that she was pushing for the dog and now we have not seen her take care of pixie yet so i just wanted to say that um christy and rod fighting about gypsy was

Speaker 6 like i i truly felt bad for rod because i guess i never even thought about

Speaker 6 the amount of time that he was spending or not spending with gypsy and i didn't really even think about anybody else like monopolizing her time And Christy could be one of them, right?

Speaker 6 Like, I think that Christy also loves the attention and also loves being filmed and also wants to be on the show so much that she's willing to, you know, do that. And so, I,

Speaker 6 that doesn't surprise me, but I do think that it

Speaker 6 their marriage is going to be tested because of all of this. Um, maybe not now because Gypsy has made her decisions and their

Speaker 6 baby is pretty final. Um,

Speaker 6 but I don't love that

Speaker 6 you know, Rod isn't getting to spend time with Gypsy and like truly be a dad and any of those things because his wife, and I'm not saying that she's not important because I do think that she's important to Gypsy, and I think that she is the closest thing to a mother figure that, or to a mother that Gypsy has, but

Speaker 6 it just is weird to me because I feel like it would be such uncharted territory, right? Like if I put myself in Gypsy's shoes, right? And I have this stepmom and my dad and my sister,

Speaker 6 my,

Speaker 6 yes, she's a woman, but also, like, I would be wanting to make up for lost time with my father. And I, as if I was a stepmom, I would be almost nervous to overstep, if that makes sense.

Speaker 6 Like, I know that if I were to talk to V about this, I know that she would be nervous to overstep.

Speaker 6 And I know that she would be kind of treading lightly and kind of waiting for the go-ahead to take time with Gypsy after Rod did.

Speaker 6 And I feel confident in saying that I think that V would tread pretty lightly until she got the okay.

Speaker 6 Because,

Speaker 6 I mean, at the end of the day, Gypsy never got to have a relationship with her dad. So I do think that's a little weird.

Speaker 6 And I think that you could tell in this scene where they're arguing very briefly, that had to have been a bigger argument off camera, in my opinion.

Speaker 6 Because

Speaker 6 I feel like Rod is absolutely valid in his feelings. I don't like Chrissy's intentions either.
And I feel like nobody has respected Rod up to this point. Like we don't know for sure what goes off.

Speaker 6 We don't know what for sure what goes on off camera, right? So we don't know those conversations.

Speaker 6 But I will say that I don't think that anyone has, based on the show, really asked Rod or Gypsy what they want or if they want time to themselves.

Speaker 6 So I know that they carved out the time for Gypsy to go on the boat, but like that's just like a drop in the bucket, right?

Speaker 6 Like in the grand scheme of things, she's been out for six or seven months and that's all we've really seen with her and her dad one-on-one.

Speaker 6 So, if that's the only time that we've seen them one-on-one on camera, are they even seeing each other and having a relationship off-camera?

Speaker 6 Because, in my experience, I would get upset when producers would ask me to do things on camera that I normally wouldn't do off-camera, right?

Speaker 6 Because I'm like, why would why am I going to put on a show? And to me, that's what it almost felt like that.

Speaker 6 So,

Speaker 6 not forced. I think that I don't know how to describe what I'm what I'm trying to say.

Speaker 6 It wouldn't have taken until episode six of eight episodes for them to hang out or whatever if they were actually hanging out in real life. So I don't really know how I feel about that.

Speaker 6 In this episode, I felt a lot of similarities between myself and Gypsy in the sense of like

Speaker 6 the decisions that I made in relationships when I was younger, like an older teen 20s situation.

Speaker 6 I

Speaker 6 was quicker to,

Speaker 6 I already wanted to file for divorce when I was married, right? But

Speaker 6 I think that we could have worked it out had I not met Chris. Like, I think that because he was in the back of my mind and I had already met him and grew feelings for him, I was in more of a rush.

Speaker 6 Where if he was not a factor, I think that I could have

Speaker 6 worked at my marriage a lot harder and longer, if that makes sense. I don't know that the outcome would have been the same or not.
It very well could have, but

Speaker 6 I think that Gypsy is almost self-she's almost sabotaging the relationship, whether it be consciously or unconsciously.

Speaker 6 And I say that because it's, I'm recognizing the same decisions that I made when I was younger, right? And

Speaker 6 I don't like that, I say all that to say that I don't like that Gypsy is not defending Ryan in any of the conversations that she's had. Like she's, she's not validating how Ryan feels.

Speaker 6 And I do feel like Ryan's feelings about the family can be true.

Speaker 6 And I think that if I recognize it from a consumer of the show, a viewer of the show,

Speaker 6 that I don't like Chrissy's intentions. I don't like Ken's intentions.
I think that someone directly related to this situation in real life can also make those assumptions.

Speaker 6 And I think that Ryan's opinions are valid. Like I do, and she's not, she's almost being condescending about it.
And she was like, what did she say? Something along the lines of

Speaker 6 like

Speaker 6 any.

Speaker 6 Any relationship or any argument is not going to go in your favor at this point because of what you said about the family. But the family has also said horrible things about Ryan.

Speaker 6 And I don't know if that's a product of Gypsy telling them too much because I also, I mean, I'm 32 now, but when I, when in my 20s, I mean, I would tell every, all my friends every little thing that happened.

Speaker 6 And not saying that they weren't doing the same to me, but at some point you learn not to tell your closest girlfriends about every little fight that you and your partner have, right?

Speaker 6 Like Kristen and I are sisters. Like that's my fucking ride or die.
And even with her, I mean, if you ask her, I don't tell her now.

Speaker 6 I don't tell her every single thing that happens in my relationship because I don't want that to skew her feelings or her opinion on my relationship.

Speaker 6 When at the end of the day, I do think that the only issues that we have are we can work through them.

Speaker 6 And they're, again, a drop in the bucket. Same for her and her husband.

Speaker 6 Like, I don't expect her to tell me every single fucking argument they have because that would probably change how I feel, whether it's subconscious or conscious. decisions and opinions.

Speaker 6 Ryan says that there's he's he's joking when he makes like the snarky comments. And I do believe that there's always some truth to a joke.
So I don't know if

Speaker 6 I don't know that I necessarily believe Ryan when he says that they were

Speaker 6 jokes. I think that they're

Speaker 6 he's

Speaker 6 he's putting it in a joking way, but these are his real feelings. And I don't think that Gypsy has ever really defended him outside of like the Ken stuff

Speaker 6 in the beginning because she didn't realize that she still had a chance with Ken.

Speaker 6 With that being said, I don't necessarily think that they're right. I don't think that you should make those types of comments on camera, if anything, but we've all done it.
I feel. I know I have.

Speaker 6 I've definitely made smart remarks, you know, and smart remarks have been made to me about relationships or friends or family when I was in a relationship. So

Speaker 6 it does happen.

Speaker 6 It's not really fair for Ryan to say, oh, well, you're telling these people these things on camera, but you're also making when he's also making comments about the family on camera.

Speaker 6 So it all kind of comes full circle. And it's like, don't throw stones if you live in a glass house, sort of situation.
Um,

Speaker 6 did anyone else have any idea that Gypsy's teeth were fake? Like, I thought that the teeth that she had in her mouth, the remaining ones,

Speaker 6 I thought they were real. Like, I didn't even think about the fact that they could be dentures.

Speaker 6 And with that being said, when she went to get her teeth done, and I only say this because I worked in dental for some time,

Speaker 6 um,

Speaker 6 when she went to go get her teeth done to change out the silver

Speaker 6 crowns,

Speaker 6 I wonder what the deciding factor was on not getting implants was. Because I know, especially when you're younger, it's really, really important to have that those structures in your gums.

Speaker 6 Otherwise, it thins out your jaw bone.

Speaker 6 And like she potentially, obviously I'm not a doctor, but potentially, if she wanted to go get implants 10 years from now, she might not have enough of the jaw structure to place the implants in.

Speaker 6 Where if she was to

Speaker 6 get implants now, it saves like the bone or whatever, unless she just wasn't a candidate for implants now. Like that maybe that's why, but I've always told, like, especially for

Speaker 6 the younger you are, to like get the implants. So I'll be curious to know why.
they didn't.

Speaker 6 Also, I know cost is a factor, but I kind of wasn't thinking about that for her just because I know that TikTok is her TikTok is viral, and I understand how much money people make on TikTok.

Speaker 6 So, I wasn't really thinking about that, but I'd be curious just from like a

Speaker 6 dental standpoint.

Speaker 6 I had no idea, but for her mom to say that she's not a vain child and she's not concerned with her looks is crazy.

Speaker 6 I don't care if you are the most naturally handsome or beautiful person on the planet.

Speaker 6 I would go out on a limb and say that you still are concerned about your looks and not necessarily in a vain way. You don't have to be vain to be concerned about your looks, right? Like,

Speaker 6 I feel like right now I probably wouldn't go out in public like this anymore, right? Like, I used to roll out of bed and go like, and go out like this, but my hair isn't done.

Speaker 6 I don't have makeup on outside of mascara. Like, I wouldn't consider myself a vain person, but I wouldn't want to look like this.
Does that make sense?

Speaker 6 So I feel like Gypsy's mom making comments like that is so fat. Like, what did she look at Gypsy at? Did she she look at Gypsy as a human being? Because it doesn't feel like that.

Speaker 6 I don't, I can't say that my daughter, she's eight months, but like, if she, and I think she's the cutest, most beautiful little girl on the whole planet, but like, if she grew up and she was like feeling insecure about certain things, they would never be like, oh, don't be vain.

Speaker 6 Like, you shouldn't be concerned about your looks or take her to the doctor. Oh, she's not concerned about her looks.
No, absolutely, they are.

Speaker 6 Like, I don't know if you guys remember, but in 16 and pregnant, I had, um,

Speaker 6 I guess like a mole. It was like a raised, I don't want to call it a birthmark.
It was a mole. They tested it for cancer.
It was removed. And I have this scar right here.

Speaker 6 I begged my mom from when I was tiny. I was made fun of for it since first grade.
So, and like I can name Dominic Winatti, shout out to you and Home Seal.

Speaker 6 We've reconciled, but you tore me up for that in first, second, third, fourth grade.

Speaker 6 I wasn't a vain child, right? Like I was a little bit overweight. Like I wasn't really,

Speaker 6 like, I wasn't the cutest. I wasn't a vain child, right? But like, kids are fucking cruel.
And

Speaker 6 if that was, if I was my own mother, I would have taken my child to the doctor for that because kids are cruel and it didn't make my daughter feel good, right?

Speaker 6 Like, so when I begged my mom to have it removed and she never did anything, and I went all the way up until high school, one of my first checks from 16 and pregnant, actually, I think I'm pretty sure it came in two different checks.

Speaker 6 That check was used to buy a car, and I also spent $1,700 getting it removed. And now the scar goes into my smile lines, so that's it's not super noticeable.

Speaker 6 That doesn't make you a vain child, right? But like, I was so mad at my mom for so many years because she could have done that for me when I was younger, right?

Speaker 6 For Gypsy's mom to say she's not a vain child, she doesn't have to be a vain child to be concerned with her looks. And I say all that to say that it is so frustrating.

Speaker 6 And I just wish that there was a way that they could have studied Didi's brain because what in the world

Speaker 6 was going through her?

Speaker 6 Like, I need to know, I want to understand like what that, what someone with munchausen by proxy what they What their thoughts are right like she's not concerned with her looks and what is so she is Kept in the house.

Speaker 6 She's not vain. She's not concerned with her looks.
She's not allowed to use social media. She's not allowed to really get on her phone on a phone or a computer other than sneaking it.

Speaker 6 Like what is she to you? Is she a pet? Like what do you

Speaker 6 you know what I mean? Like you know how narcissists always

Speaker 6 narcissists can view their children as like pawns.

Speaker 6 Didi wasn't really pawning gypsy to like with the dad and things like that. So like what did she view?

Speaker 6 I just I need more information. If Eminem's mom,

Speaker 6 I think her name was Debbie. If Debbie could weigh in here, that would be fantastic.
I also bringing it back to Eminem, I do think that Mia resembles

Speaker 6 Haley

Speaker 6 a lot. So I don't know if it's because I follow Haley on TikTok that I, their demeanor and they're um very it seems that they're very mellow and like cool, calm, and collected.

Speaker 6 Mia also gives those vibes, and then they also they look similar to me. Um,

Speaker 6 anyway, maybe it's just because I'm an MM fan. I don't know.
I wrote that in my notes too. Like, Mia reminds me of Haley.
I don't know why. Um, who helped her pick the surgeon?

Speaker 6 Okay, they go to get nose job, they're going to get a nose job, and I say they because Mia comes along, she wants to get a nose job too. Um, why is Christy there again?

Speaker 6 This leads, like, let sisters be sisters, and like, let

Speaker 6 Mia, if she wants a nose job and she and Gypsy is getting a nose job, let that be a sister thing. You are not, you don't have to be present for every fucking thing that goes on.

Speaker 6 Um, I want to know who helped Gypsy pick the surgeon. Um, when I got my mommy makeover in 2016, I'll be honest with y'all, I did not do a whole lot of research on

Speaker 6 plastic surgeons for that.

Speaker 6 I did previously look into boob jobs and I did my research there, but like mommy makeover, I personally did not really know about a mommy makeover until I was offered one and

Speaker 6 I was offered one for free. So I'll be honest with you, that's not the way to go because I've seen some, I've seen some rough.
Thank God. Shout out to Dr.
Miami. He did a fantastic job on me.

Speaker 6 But I've seen some rough jobs and definitely do your research. So I'd be curious to know like who helped her pick the surgeon for that.
And this was her first elective surgery. That's it.

Speaker 6 That's at 32 years old.

Speaker 6 We we don't know how many surgeries she's had but she's had chemo um i don't know if she actually had that or if the mom just was saying that she's had her teeth extracted she's had the feeding tube she's had all kinds of surgeries um this is the first elective one so there has to be some power in being able to make that decision on your own right and i can't believe that it took her 32 years to make her own decision like even

Speaker 6 just having a second because I think she was still having surgeries when she was older and not even, I don't know, like

Speaker 6 if one of my kids was

Speaker 6 10, 11, 12, no, maybe not 10, 11, 12. If one of my kids was Isaac's age, right, like

Speaker 6 and needing surgery and it wasn't necessary, but it was

Speaker 6 could be beneficial, but not necessary. I feel like someone at Isaac's age, he's 14, he's about to be 15.
I would consider what he thinks, right? Like, obviously, I'm the parent, so I would

Speaker 6 want to do what's best for my child. And if it's necessary, obviously, we're gonna do it.

Speaker 6 But if it's something that a doctor says, oh, like, this isn't necessary, or like, you know, let's go the conservative route, right?

Speaker 6 Because I have seven kids, and I've heard doctors say going the conservative route.

Speaker 6 There are times I feel like you should advocate for not doing that. But I think that surgery is so permanent.
Like, did she have any say in any of her surgeries at all? Like, I I don't, I don't know.

Speaker 6 It just feels,

Speaker 6 it would probably be feel empowering for her. Um, also, with all that being said, first elects of surgery, is she driving yet? Is she driving a car? Does she have a license to permit anything?

Speaker 6 Has that ever, because I feel like that would have been a really interesting take on the show is like showing Gypsy getting her license.

Speaker 6 And, you know, is that something that she, is there something preventing her from driving? Because I don't think we've seen her drive yet and nobody's mentioned it.

Speaker 6 So I don't know, does she just not need to drive? Especially now with her being pregnant. What will that look like?

Speaker 6 Because I have a cousin who didn't have a license until after her first baby, and she definitely got a license because of her, you know, she needed a license at some point.

Speaker 6 When you have kids, you need a license. Um,

Speaker 6 and Gypsy tells Ryan she misses Ken. So,

Speaker 6 a couple episodes back, I mentioned something along the lines of like not having, not needing to tell

Speaker 6 your

Speaker 6 partner every single thought or opinion that you have.

Speaker 6 And

Speaker 6 I still stand by that, but I think at the point that Gypsy has told Ryan that she's misses Ken, I think that that really solidified Gypsy's decision

Speaker 6 again, whether it be subconscious or conscious,

Speaker 6 in kind of hoping

Speaker 6 and wanting to get back together with Ken. So I think that,

Speaker 6 yikes,

Speaker 6 At this point in the relationship, where I think that she's really actually wanting to leave Ryan, every little thing that Ryan does gets on her nerve. She's not defending him to the family.

Speaker 6 She doesn't want to face time when she's with her family. She doesn't want to be around him.

Speaker 6 I think at one point in the, in the scene, or the, at one point in the episode, she's talking about, oh, it's nice to like not be around him.

Speaker 6 All of these things are leading me to believe that like Gypsy is now over the Ryan thing and wants to move on. So that's why she is telling him that she misses Ken.

Speaker 6 And Ryan said that, um, allegedly, it's all hearsay. Ryan allegedly said that she needs to let that go, that you're married.

Speaker 6 How do we feel about that? Because on one hand, it's like we all,

Speaker 6 let me not speak for everybody.

Speaker 6 Myself and other people included have, we've all, I keep,

Speaker 6 I keep speaking for everyone.

Speaker 6 I feel like some of us have experienced the one that got away or like the one that in hindsight, you think, oh, like I could have done better or I could have, you always have love for that person.

Speaker 6 Right. And I think in some instances, you'll always have feelings for them, but not in a way that you're like, okay, I'm, I need to go be with you.

Speaker 6 Because I do think that there are connections, human connections that can be made in life that are important and you still have them, but you, this isn't your person.

Speaker 6 It's not going to be your person, or it is your person, but it can't work. Like,

Speaker 6 I do believe that. I think that humans are very, very complicated creatures.
And so, in this particular

Speaker 6 situation,

Speaker 6 I get where Gypsy is coming from because her heart is with Ken, but I also

Speaker 6 hear Ryan. Like, I think that his, his thoughts are valid.
And I do think that Gypsy is like, sometimes we have to let go of people that are not good for us or that didn't work out.

Speaker 6 And we don't, but also sometimes we need to go back to the person that has our heart. I don't know.
I do. I can, I see both sides of it because I've been on both sides of it.
Right. And I,

Speaker 6 I actually didn't even realize that Ken, Gypsy called Ken two weeks before they got married. And in this episode, Gypsy calls ryan a rebound

Speaker 6 and i think both things are up i don't think that

Speaker 6 gypsy should have called ken and i think that it was so mean

Speaker 6 and i'm only speaking from experience but it like i've been really mean on tv so like i get it but also

Speaker 6 she didn't have to do all that like he's still her husband and like according to gypsy herself on the show, she loves Ryan.

Speaker 6 So like you're, you're saying all these things on the show about loving Ryan and you're in love with both of them, and they both have your heart.

Speaker 6 And, you know, you know that Ryan loves you, and this, that, and the third, but you're also saying these like really horrible things, like making these really snarky comments.

Speaker 6 So, I just don't know how I feel about that. Um,

Speaker 6 during one of my pregnancies, my ex asked me to meet up,

Speaker 6 and you guys know I don't date men with children, even if they are

Speaker 6 my own children's father, because all of my kids' dads have other children. Um,

Speaker 6 During a time where there was another pregnancy happening that was not with me,

Speaker 6 my ex came to me and asked to meet up. And we met up, and he looked me dead in my face and he said, Tell me, you never want to be with me again.

Speaker 6 And at the time, I didn't really understand why he was asking me that, but he knew that I don't date men with kids. And I think, in my opinion,

Speaker 6 in my hindsight, it's 2020, retrospect is, you know,

Speaker 6 everything.

Speaker 6 i think he was asking me that because he was

Speaker 6 wanting me to say no like i you know i still want to be with you or i want to make this work because he knew not that i very different than the gypsy thing but also it's the same because she basically she says in the episode i thought if he told me to wait for him so the same thing happened with me and the pregnancy was like tell me you don't want to be with me so i can go handle this other situation and i didn't right and so like i never said like i still want to be with you i want to make this work i never said that because that's not how I felt.

Speaker 6 Or, and I didn't, even if that's how I felt, that's not where this was going. So, Ken also didn't say that.
So, then she jumped the gun and got married, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 6 So, similar, but different.

Speaker 6 I don't like that she called Ken because if you're still having those feelings, you need to resolve them before you get married, right? Like, you need to resolve them before you continue.

Speaker 6 Postpone the wedding. Like, even though he didn't say, wait for me, like, I still think you could have postponed the wedding.
What was the rush?

Speaker 6 And I said that in one of the earlier episodes covering the show was like,

Speaker 6 What is the rush for getting married in prison? They got married or they started their relationship, and it was two years that she was in prison before they got out.

Speaker 6 So, like, why not get married six months before you got out instead of two? Like, I guess I'm not understanding, unless it's like secure. I don't know, I don't know how that works.

Speaker 6 Like, do you get insurance? Is it like, is there benefits that you're getting while you're? I don't know.

Speaker 6 I just, if someone could weigh in on what the, is it because it's like a sense of security, a sense of like safety? What is that? What is that? Um,

Speaker 6 I don't really understand what occurred at the lunch scene with Christy. Also, Mia just disappeared.
They don't explain where she went.

Speaker 6 She leaves. They leave the nose job situation.

Speaker 6 And then Christy and Gypsy go to eat. And Mia just disappears.
Don't know where she went. Gypsy says that Ken wasn't really supportive of any other relationship.
Well, why would he be?

Speaker 6 Why would he be supportive of that? That doesn't even, I don't know that that would make sense, right?

Speaker 6 And if he truly let her go because he loved her, if that was true, then he would have supported their other relationships.

Speaker 6 If it were true that Ken left Gypsy because he truly loved her and he wanted the best for her and all of the things, then he would have still supported those other relationships, which leads me to believe that he didn't actually leave her for the reasons that he said he left her.

Speaker 6 So,

Speaker 6 just wanted to bring that full circle. Ken has claimed that he hasn't spoken to Gypsy since she got out of prison.
So, allegedly, up until this point

Speaker 6 they haven't talked but

Speaker 6 he thinks that christy is relaying information so i don't know about you guys but like that's still a form of communication like you just have a messenger so you guys haven't talked directly but you've communicated you've communicated things back and forth through christy in my opinion um

Speaker 6 Gypsy wanting to be blonde and have her teeth and nose done,

Speaker 6 her teeth and nose done, more power to her.

Speaker 6 Like, whatever she wants to do to make her feel happy and confident, I feel like she's been through enough that she doesn't need justification for wanting these things done.

Speaker 6 And so, anyone that gives her shit for that is really crazy. Um, Gypsy deserves to feel like she can be vain if she wants, and that she is concerned with her looks because she's been through it.

Speaker 6 Even if she wasn't on the show, those are things that any woman would want to feel good about, right?

Speaker 6 Like, nobody needs justification for doing what they want to do to their appearance, in my opinion.

Speaker 6 I do think it's interesting that Ryan, it feels like

Speaker 6 from a viewer standpoint, that Ryan was good enough until she thought that Ken was

Speaker 6 within arm's reach. When she realized that she could potentially get back with Ken or there was something there, it was like Ryan was good enough.
He was a rebound until.

Speaker 6 or he wasn't a rebound until Ken is back in the picture. And I don't like that.
I just, I think that that's really shitty. Um, but I've also, I feel like I've had that, right?

Speaker 6 Like I had that toxic person that was coming in and out, and I was keeping other people on the back burner and, you know, just in case like he came back and then they would go back on the back burner.

Speaker 6 And then when he disappeared and didn't want to be in my life anymore, then I would,

Speaker 6 it's, it's a toxic cycle. I just think it's a little, it's a lot for it to be happening when you're in your 30s, right? Like we're not in our early 20s anymore.

Speaker 6 Oh my God, I missed the whole part where Christy tells Gypsy that Rod's upset and jealous of Ryan. We need to go back to that.

Speaker 6 Okay, so Christy goes to visit Gypsy wherever they're staying, wherever she's living, and Christy tells Gypsy that Rod's upset and jealous of Ryan, but she doesn't include herself.

Speaker 6 But Rod's exact words were Ryan and like even Christy was included in that. So why are we, why is she meddling? Christy's intentions are not good.

Speaker 6 And I think that it's like a subconscious thing because why are you not including you if you were going going to tell Gypsy everything that Rod said tell her everything that Rod said which was even you Christy

Speaker 6 have interfered with Rod's ability to have a relationship with his daughter so

Speaker 6 let's clear that up

Speaker 6 I don't like that she meddles like this pretty sure he also included Christy not just Ryan no's job I support it

Speaker 6 just she doesn't need a reason I wrote that and then I don't know how I missed that whole section of my notes but that's how I feel about that

Speaker 6 So, back to what I was saying about Ryan being good enough until

Speaker 6 Ryan was good enough until she thought Ken was back.

Speaker 6 So,

Speaker 6 then Gypsy, after Chrissy goes to visit Gypsy, Gypsy then goes to visit Rod and they do the boat thing, and they go, she goes over there, they do a FaceTime. Gypsy doesn't want to FaceTime Ryan.

Speaker 6 And it's Ryan is saying that he was excluded for that trip that Gypsy goes to see her her dad.

Speaker 6 And

Speaker 6 this one is tough for me because I feel like Chrissy pulls Gypsy away from Rod just as much as Ryan does. And so for Ryan to be excluded

Speaker 6 and he's her husband is weird to me.

Speaker 6 I don't know that I would be okay. Like

Speaker 6 Rod would still be able to have quality time with his daughter if

Speaker 6 Ryan is there,

Speaker 6 but it would not, it's not gonna be the father-daughter relationship that you would have as Gypsy was growing up.

Speaker 6 It would be a father-daughter relationship as it stands today, which is her being married. So, I don't love that he was excluded from that.
I do think that, like,

Speaker 6 obviously, if Elijah wanted to go spend time with his mom or his dad and not include me or the kids, like, I think that's fine.

Speaker 6 But I also just think that the way that it was worded and the way that it was done was really distasteful. And I think that it was very weird.

Speaker 6 So, Christie's allowed to pull Gypsy in different directions. And

Speaker 6 if

Speaker 6 Gypsy, Christy, Mia, and Rod could be there, what's another person, right? Like, you're not just spending, it would be one thing. It's like, okay, Ryan can come on the trip.
And then

Speaker 6 me and my dad are going to go out on the boat. You can hang back or like go run errands or like do whatever.
Like, that's one thing, right? Like, you're still getting the one-on-one time on the boat.

Speaker 6 But why does he have have to be excluded from the boat? Like, I just think it was just weird. I don't know.
It just doesn't make sense. And I'm also going crabbing in August with Matt.

Speaker 6 So it was really fun to see Rod and Gypsy go crabbing because I've actually never seen it done and I have no idea what it means.

Speaker 6 And so when my friend Jerry reached out and was like, Do you want to go crabbing? I was like, oh my God, me and Matt have to go crabbing.

Speaker 6 So I say all that to say, now I know what craving looks like, and we're going to do it here in Delaware.

Speaker 6 I want to say, I want to defend Ryan because I do think he's doing the best he can, given all of the things thrown at him. Um,

Speaker 6 reaching out to someone who's in prison, marrying someone in prison, waiting for her for two years, getting out of it, and now her family doesn't like him, and she's sabotaging, Christy's sabotaging, and Rod just wants to spend time with his daughter.

Speaker 6 And everybody's in everybody's. It just

Speaker 6 is pretty normal, though, now that I think about it. Now that I say it out loud, it feels pretty fucking normal.
Um, Gypsy and Ryan say they don't like the word famous. Um, what about infamous?

Speaker 6 Because I do feel like gypsy becoming famous, which she is for the murder of her mother, is pretty infamous, right? Like, what is the definition?

Speaker 6 Lincoln's looking at me because I don't think he knows who gypsy is. Um, definition of infamous definition,

Speaker 6 well known for some bad quality or deed. So, if you don't like the word famous, what about infamous?

Speaker 6 I don't even know

Speaker 6 you are famous for something that you did, and it's an infamous did.

Speaker 6 You know what I mean? Deed.

Speaker 6 Is infamous positive or negative? It has a negative set of meanings, but

Speaker 6 that's as much as she wants to not be

Speaker 6 known for or remembered as the one that this is the.

Speaker 6 We have never seen anything like this. We've never seen someone

Speaker 6 be famous in this way for being attached to a a murder, right? Because there's documentaries about all kinds of serial killers and murderers and Casey Anthony, and but Casey Anthony never got a show.

Speaker 6 Casey Anthony never got a show.

Speaker 6 The Menendez brothers never got a show. They are still in prison for, you know what I mean? So it just,

Speaker 6 I can't, I can't.

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Speaker 6 How do we feel about that whole conversation? Because

Speaker 6 I know that there are people who don't think that she should be famous, but she is. Like, we can't ignore the fact that she is.

Speaker 6 Do we, whether she should or shouldn't be is not up for debate anymore because she is. So, what is, how do we feel about the entire conversation, right? Like,

Speaker 6 what is that? Um, and then I just think Rod is so cool. Um, he has the boat, the guitar, he goes crabbing, like he seems really cool.
I also,

Speaker 6 um, is Christine Rod's, are their accents, like, are those pretty typical in Louisiana? Because I feel like they have a very different sounding accent than I've ever heard before.

Speaker 6 And I noticed that in this episode specifically, it's also starting to come out in Gypsy's.

Speaker 6 I don't want to call it a dialect, but

Speaker 6 when she talks, it's starting to come out when she talks too. So I don't know if it's just like from her being back in Louisiana or like with her family.
Gypsy riding a bike was honestly hysterical.

Speaker 6 Like.

Speaker 6 Not hysterical, was hilarious.

Speaker 6 Imagine trying to learn a bike at 32 years old. If I had to get on a a bike today and didn't know how to ride a bike, I would just never learn.
Like, I'm just not doing that as an adult.

Speaker 6 So, these are things that Gypsy truly missed out on as a child. And just something as simple as riding a bike on this episode was like,

Speaker 6 you can't help but truly feel bad that she was robbed of that in her childhood, truly.

Speaker 6 I hope that she learned how to ride it. I also hope that she gets a license in next season.

Speaker 6 I got my license on a deleted scene of 16 and pregnant that they aired on mtv.com after my 16 and pregnant episode aired.

Speaker 6 Um, I went while I was pregnant, we were filming, it never made the actual episode, but I got my license while I was pregnant, so um, that would be really cool if they included that on season two.

Speaker 6 And I'm assuming that there's gonna be a season two. I wrote, none of these things would be an issue if Ken wasn't on her mind.
Um, and then I wrote, I've been through this.

Speaker 6 I'm not really entirely sure what those notes were referring to, but something tells me that it's like gypsy,

Speaker 6 everything that Ryan does is getting on your Gypsy skin because she's only thinking about being with Ken, is my opinion.

Speaker 6 I'm assuming that's what I was referring to. I would be curious to hear what everyone's thoughts are here.

Speaker 6 I feel like I have

Speaker 6 overall through the course of these past six episodes, I feel like I've humanized Gypsy more than I originally did.

Speaker 6 I know in the beginning, when all of this became like a public fascination, Lindsay and I were covering Gypsy Rose on coffee combos.

Speaker 6 And I

Speaker 6 really went to bat for Gypsy because, and so many people have, right? And I think that we all were like, you know, she

Speaker 6 made a shitty choice, but given her circumstances, like that she had, that was her, she felt at the time that that was her only choice, in my opinion.

Speaker 6 I still stand by that, but I also feel like I have been able to humanize her

Speaker 6 now. Like, I don't necessarily put her up on this like high pedestal like I used to now that I'm getting to know her.
I feel like she's a human just like the rest of us.

Speaker 6 She's making potentially some poor relationship and life decisions, but we all have, like all of us have done that. And so I feel like I can, it humanizes her a little bit more, right?

Speaker 6 Like we can't expect her to make perfect decisions when she has been in a prison her entire life. So

Speaker 6 I have

Speaker 6 I think very pretty real feelings about it all. And I'm curious to see if she has a a boy or a girl and if she'll announce that or keep everybody in the know about her pregnancy.

Speaker 6 I did see someone sent me a link to her baby registry, and pretty much everything was bought from her registry.

Speaker 6 And so, I do think it's pretty interesting that in one conversation on this episode, she's talking about not being famous and not being this and that. But

Speaker 6 people do that for famous people, right? For people that they put on a pedestal or people that they are

Speaker 6 fascinated by. And so, it's really interesting to me that

Speaker 6 I mean, I guess it was kind of a smart idea. It's cringy to me.
If I was to do it, maybe it's cringy to me because if I was to do it, nobody would buy, nobody would buy from my registry.

Speaker 6 They would be like, what the fuck is Kill doing? But for her,

Speaker 6 I mean, it was a good idea for her because now she doesn't have to buy anything for her registry. But it's a very interesting.

Speaker 6 It's just all very interesting. I don't have any other thoughts other than that.
And I'll be curious to get Kristen's thoughts on the next episode when she's feeling better.

Speaker 6 In real time, Gypsy's teeth look great. Her nose, I think she did end up getting a nose job.
It looks great. And then she cut her hair and she made it blonde and she's everything that Ken ever wanted.

Speaker 6 So I guess if it makes Ken happy, it makes Gypsy happy. And all we can do now is hope for a smooth pregnancy for Gypsy and healthy, you know.

Speaker 6 healthy baby, healthy, healthy life, right?

Speaker 6 In other news, I

Speaker 6 don't think that there's anything else really going on. We saw

Speaker 6 we watched Despicable Me 4 yesterday, and the kids are thriving this summer. Lincoln just asked me how Gypsy will teach her child how to ride a bike if she doesn't know how to ride a bike.

Speaker 6 Maybe she learned

Speaker 6 in the episode. It doesn't look like she learned how to ride the bike, but potentially she kept practicing.
I don't know.

Speaker 6 Maybe her boyfriend will help the child learn how to ride the bike or teach both of them how to ride the bike together. It'd be like a good bonding.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 6 Other than that, we'll talk to you guys next week on Barely Famous. See ya.

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