Life After Lock Up - Ghosts of The Past

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Welcome to the shit show.

Things are going to get weird.

It's your fave villain, Kale Lowry.

And you're listening to Barely Famous. How are you today? I'm good.
Welcome to Barely Fucking Famous. I'm fine today.
I've been a little lost because my kids are at camp, but like it's my week with them so I was not prepared if that

makes sense. Yeah you're like where's the chaos? Yeah there's no chaos so it's been kind of um just like a weird it's been weird.
Um I did get a package for Chapter 7 Book Club today that came So there's a little bit of a surprise there.

And so I'm excited to i'll show you and then i also got my best of delaware plaque for social media influencer and fairly famous podcast she's thriving she's thriving she's thriving uh i don't know where i'm going to put them but we're gonna find somewhere to put them and i watched gypsy rose episode four these are my notes for the episode oh um oh wow so we have a lot to talk about we have lots to talk about so let's dive into ghosts of the past okay because before we before we can even begin, I need to point something out. She has nightmares pretty much in the beginning of the episode, right? Like she's claiming that she woke up in the middle of the night.
She's on the balcony. Brian's still asleep in the bed.
Right. And so the producer asks her about these things.

Right. And she's wearing a pink shirt and her hair is about to hear.

Well, here we go. We're about to hit a continuity problem.

So the continuity issue is not just continuity in this instance,

because I feel like it's just continuity in life and storyline and all the

things, because if you get about 10 minutes into the episode,

I'm sorry. Because I feel like it's just continuity in life and storyline and all the things.
Because if you get about 10 minutes into the episode, she goes into the tattoo shop to see her cousin and her hair is to the middle of her back. Mm-hmm.
In a ponytail. Mm-hmm.
So, I mean, it's significantly longer in the same episode. So when was, which one was filmed first? Did she go get a tattoo at her cousin's shop and then did the whole like nightmare situation and then they accidentally or like didn't really care or like didn't plan really well to put that in the beginning of the episode? Or was made up because that's something that you know when I was on Teen Mom there was a lot of continuity issues and I used to do them on purpose because I wanted the viewers to know that shit wasn't the way that it actually went so there are scenes where you see my hair up and then down or it was braided and then the next time it's the same day but my hair looks completely different or something like that they used to try to make it make me wear the same clothes do the same stuff and I was just like I'm gonna do it but with a twist because I wanted to be able to go back and be like that was not exactly how it seemed you know what I mean so I need to know what the reasoning was for that or was it just a situation of like she got her hair cut and then in editing they just took that story line and put it in the beginning yeah i don't know that's i didn't you know it's funny because like you watch for that stuff and i i miss that stuff all the time it's subconscious at this point though because i wasn't like looking for continuity you know like i wasn't looking for the i just was like when she was in the tattoo shop and her hair was longer wait a minute like my brain just automatically went there i don't know why um i think it's just ingrained in you yeah you know um i thought that whole scene about the nightmare situation and how she said that she was like thinking about the house and they could the coulda, shoulda, woulda, and that it's not easy to live with.
I thought that was interesting because last episode I had just said, like, I don't think she feels guilty at all. She doesn't show any outward signs of guilt.
So something that you had said recently about, like, guilt just, like, eats you alive. And I was like, oh, like, I, it's almost like she's haunted.
Like, that that's what that sounds like it's like you're being haunted by bad memories and i don't think like i know that there's people that don't care that they commit murders right like i know that but i also just wonder like does that stop them from remembering? Um, well, I guess like if there's people that don't care that they commit murders, right? It's essentially like they're at peace with their decision. They don't care that they did it or they feel indifferent.
If you feel indifferent about something in my experience, if I feel indifferent about something, I don't really think about it because there's nothing to think about. I'm either at peace with my decision.
I don't really care. You know, if you truly, truly, truly don't care, do you know what I mean? Right.
So I don't know that it does, but it's funny that you say that because the first thing I wrote down was nightmares of the murder. Do we believe this or do we believe that they're showing all the glitz and glam on the show so far and they haven't showed any remorse or that she feels guilty so we need to kind of remember what she did and take them back and they kind of and this is no shade to lifetime right like we love that i'm just dissecting the whole situation is like do we actually think that she feels remorse or do we think that they needed this in the show? I think everything could exist at the same time, right? Like, I think that one, probably needed it and wanted it for the show.
Two, I think that there is a world where, not that I'm looking for her to feel bad. I could care less if she feels bad for what she did or not.
That's not my place. Right.
But like, I just wonder like, okay, how she was saying like the psyche comment. That's like terminology you would get from.
So I'm like, if she's going to therapy or if she was going to therapy during that time, I almost wonder if it like, because further in the episode, she talks about how she doesn't remember a lot from her childhood and doesn't remember a lot from those days and whatnot, right? So I'm just like, I wonder if it's a situation of if she's going through the trauma counseling that she said that she was set up with, I think on episode one, maybe two, maybe. Not repressed memory, like bringing it back, but just like having to go through it and having to talk about it.
I wonder if it could just be triggering those memories, but like, doesn't mean she feels bad. Does that make sense? No, it makes sense.
It makes complete sense. I just, I don't know.
It feels like it needs, it's like damage control. We're showing the glitz and the glam of the show, the interviews, the this, the that, and so they needed this.
That's what it feels like to me. It doesn't feel genuine to me.
Yeah. I'm interested to see if they continue.
I think it'll look here and there. Yeah.
But I mean, how, I don't know. I don't know.
know it just it feels very weird um i didn't realize that blanchard is gypsy's dad's last name for some reason i always thought that that was dd's last name oh okay uh well i mean that makes sense because she was dd blanchard but it's because she kept the married name yeah but i guess why would you keep that like you're trying to get as far away from him as possible not allowing him to have full access to his daughter so why would you keep that um but also my mom did the same thing like she was a Lowry after my dad even in other relationships and marriages and things so I wonder how many people get rid of their married last name or keep it? I wonder what the school is.

I... in other relationships and marriages and things.
So I wonder how many people get rid of their married last name or keep it.

Like,

I wonder what the school is.

I think there are people that I've heard of,

like in my own life that will keep it because of their kids.

And so they want to match their kids with the last name.

Like my mom is still,

I believe if she's not a Lowry,

she's back to her maiden name.

She didn't take her new husband's last name.

So I think legally my mom is still Lowry.

Thank you. She's not a Lowry.
She's back to her maiden name. She didn't take her new husband's last name.
So I think legally my mom is still Lowry.

Interesting.

Okay.

I know when my mom was married before my dad, she took his last name, got it back in the divorce, like got her maiden name back during the divorce and then took my dad's when they

got married.

Okay.

Yeah.

That makes sense.

I'm just, I'm very curious. The TikTok clips, i love how they're incorporating them like i really love it really cool and very different from anything that we've ever seen um when they were playing the tiktok clips this time about all of her abuse and stuff it's just really i would love to talk to somebody that has or had i don't know you can get over it, still don't have the answer to that one, Munchausen's by proxy, because I just cannot understand how you put somebody through all of that stuff.
And like, what it, I don't understand it. Like, what does that do for you putting somebody else through medical treatments that are- Because she gets attention.
She gets attention for like, the woe is me me, Dee Dee, you do so much. You're her caretaker.
She's the light of your life. You're getting free trips.
You're getting free cars. You're getting a house by home.
You know, the habitat. Like pity? Like attention? It's absolutely pity and sorrow and people feeling bad for them.
You know what I mean? Like, I don't think that it's like genuine, like, you know what I mean? Like, it's not it's like genuine like you know what I mean like it's not it's genuine but it's more pity than it is like actual like Didi didn't have like real friends you know what I mean so like she didn't have fulfilling relationships it was more like the woe is Didi kind of situation in my opinion um so Gypsy says that she really didn't know that she was getting abused like as a small child she just knew that her child like from her perspective it was just her childhood um and then she my biggest question here is that when she gets the urge to walk like as kids do right like my kids won't even sit still so if i tried to force a wheelchair, that would be a literal nightmare. So like, what did she do? So did she only sit in the wheelchair and things like that when people were around? Or like, was it one of those things that when she got home, they closed the door, they locked the doors, closed all the windows, and she was allowed to get up out of the wheelchair? I don't know, because something, I feel like from everything that we've seen,

something tells me she was made to stay

in that wheelchair unless she was in bed.

Because did you hear what they were like

in the TikTok clips are talking about

how she was like chained up at night to her mom

so that the mom could feel her

if she even moved, like attempted to move.

That blew my mind.

She knew she could walk though.

I also want... mom could feel her if she even moved like attempted to move that blew my mind like she knew she she knew she could walk though i also wonder if she was on because you know she was on all the like all different kinds of medications and stuff i wonder if she was on something that like made it harder to walk like um i don't want to say like a muscle relaxer but maybe like i don't know but i just something tells me she was there was never an instance where she was allowed to walk once she got into the wheelchair like from walking to not I think she was forced to stay I don't think there was because you have to think about it the mom wouldn't want her to know she can walk but she did know she could walk she said that in the past Right.
But like, I think that the mom wouldn't want to keep perpetuating the walking at home so when she went to the movies and dressed up as a princess to go meet her boyfriend and they kissed in the bathroom or whatever she walked did she not that i don't know that's a good question did she wheel there like her mom let her go to the bathroom by herself like what was that like you know what i mean like she had to have gotten out of her because didn't they have sex in the bathroom or something she had sex somewhere okay so she makes a comment that she doesn't remember a lot from her childhood which is what you said and i get that because there are very specific things that i remember but like i guess as a whole i don't have a whole lot of memory or maybe it's just that like there wasn't a whole lot going on outside of like the trauma so i get that um i don't know i so when this when they were in the car and the sleep apnea mask got brought up did you you feel the awkwardness that like sat in that car after that? Like the sleep apnea thing was made like was said. And I was just like, I could feel like, what do you say to somebody who has suffered abuse to that extent? What can you even say? Oh, I'm sorry.
Like, I'm sorry. Doesn't feel good enough.
You can't relate. Absolutely.
There's no way you can relate. What are are you supposed to say literally the right thing by saying absolutely nothing but it just felt so incredibly awkward that i was like whoa and then when she started talking about dd's mom dying but when dd's mom dying i don't know so gypsy had good memories with her up until she's seven first of all i don't remember a whole lot before i was seven what memories did you have with her and she also had some level of munchausen by proxy i don't know the family in a pre in another documentary or another like thing talked about how the emma was doing the same thing to didi and then didi perpetuated it tenfold with gypsy i mean so like what good memories could you have had and also i don't know why gypsy i don't know the whole thing feels really weird the whole thing feels so fucking weird to me when she said that didi was triggered by mom dying, or when she was talking about how she went on a spiral, I was like, oh, so that was her trigger.
And then all of a sudden, that's when she said things got really bad. My mom spiraled.
Things got worse. And I'm like, did Dee Dee not know that her mom abused her too? No, I don't think she did.
I think that there was mental illness at play. And not every person that has mental illness has the self-awareness to know that it's a mental illness and that it's wrong.
So I think that some people are aware, but some people are not. And I don't think that if Didi knew, why would she perpetuate it that bad? You know what I mean? So I don't think that she knew.
But it seems like the brothers and sisters knew. Didi's brothers and sisters knew.
Yeah. And then describing them as, like, off, describing her as off, weird.
There was always something up. Like, I was like, hold on a a second i will say when she was when um gypsy was talking to emma's grave oh i was like that experience in itself like i can relate because i do it with my dad it's the weirdest thing it's so fucking weird when you like you know they're not there it's the it's just it very weird and then i also was wondering how ryan felt being there because it's not like he ever met the grandmother and then here gypsy is like talking to the grave introducing ryan which i'm sure to some extent was also like for the show um and i've never asked cory how he feels and he goes with me to the cemetery every time I go I've gone to visit graves but I don't I guess when I and there's nothing wrong with it people grieve how they grieve I think everything is fine, but it has to be a different level of weird.
And the concept of it is weird. Right.
But like even weirder on TV, but I think it's almost like normal. Like it doesn't, I never thought that like, I've never spoken to a grave, but I've never, I was never like, Oh my God, that's weird.
Like now that you say it out loud. But also where, so where is Dee Dee buried and why wasn't she buried with her mom?

Because I guess even if Gypsy didn't have anything to do with it, because Gypsy said like,

if she was, if she had the ability, she would have buried Dee Dee with Emma. But so take Gypsy

out of the equation. Why didn't anyone bury Dee Dee with Emma? And like, where is she buried?

That, I don't know. I also...

Did she get buried or did she get cremated?

Well either way you can have a tombstone even if you got cremated.

True.

That is a good question.

I don't know but I also just wonder

so if the brothers and sisters knew

that what Emma did to Dee Dee wasn't okay

maybe that's why they were like no we're not burying you with your abuser? No way. Because, because no, because the family, Dee Dee's family, they are, they're all sick, really, truly, because they knew that shit was going on and they didn't do anything about it they knew that emma abused dd in similar ways and for them to just be upset with gypsy and not they don't see anything wrong with this so i i highly they don't see anything wrong with what dd did to gypsy or to a point that like i mean to this day i don't feel bad like i don't feel bad that gypsy murdered her mom like i don't the fact that they don't forgive gypsy and then they would have but like it seems very um counterproductive or like hypocritical to be like no we don't forgive gypsy for what she did and getting out of this mess when didi did this to her tenfold compared to what emma did to her but then turn around like we won't bury you with your abuser yeah that doesn't I see what you're saying I just I have no idea I'm gonna have to look up where she is buried or why I guess I can't remember what documentary it was but there was one where like all of Gypsy's like I think it was like her grandfather was on it her uncles and stuff like.
I think it was while she was still in prison.

And they said that Gypsy would do a, like, I'm pretty sure they said that she got up and walked the one day.

Well, I know that that occurred because Bobby, the cousin, said the comment about when they found out she was going to be in the Special Olympics.

And they're like, she's doing so good. And he said, I was like, yeah, of course she's killing it because she can walk.

Thank you. to be in the she was in the special olympics they're like she's doing so good and he's and he said i was like yeah of course she's killing it because she can walk he said that in the episode so i definitely i've heard that but i it's just as as far as what happened behind closed doors at home with gypsy and dd as far as the walking thing i it doesn't make sense to me why Dee Dee would allow her out of the wheelchair at home.
It doesn't seem like she had any kind

bone in her body at that point, you know? So that part is just weird. I also thought it was

interesting because the last documentary I watched before this one was a long time ago on Gypsy stuff, I did not know that her mom was actually diagnosed as bipolar and not know that I don't think I knew that either um and I wrote down that Bobby her cousin the tattoo artist said that at four years old Gypsy was still walking but really sick so that was interesting I definitely think that it's possible that Dee Dee might have been schizophrenic because why are you talking to like these condiment packets and like making pets and then squashing them and saying you're going to take care of them and getting up a breath like it just feels very schizophrenic because i'm also watching six schizophrenic brothers to talk about on coffee combos and um on that one they're describing like episodes for a lack of better words of the schizo untreated schizophrenia and that kind of sort of reminded me of you know visual yeah um and gypsy goes on to say that there's like not really a whole or bobby or gypsy right um bob Bobby or Gypsy talks about not really having mental health resources.

I think it was Gypsy that said that.

Gypsy.

Gypsy said that.

That was also the first time I heard Gypsy say that she,

that DeeDee heard voices and saw shapes.

I'm assuming by shapes, she meant big figures is what I would think.

Is that not schizophrenia?

I think, I mean, I'm sure that visual, like,

I don't want to say impairment, but like seeing things that aren't actually there is a symptom of multiple different things but i have most commonly seen it associated with schizophrenia so what really bothers me is i think it was during the same conversation with bobby and gypsy one of them said that dd seemed a little off and I put big letters a little off with question marks what's really infuriating here and I think part of the reason why I'm so infuriated by this is that nobody put Gypsy's well-being over an adult's feelings I you know what I mean and nobody wants Yep. They don't want to upset Didi.
And the same thing happened to me. They don't want to upset Susie.
They don't want to do that to Susie. So instead of putting a child over an adult's feelings, you are going to create way more trials for this person, whether it be me or Gypsy or anybody fucking else.
Everyone just ignores the needs and the safety and the well-being of Gypsy Rose and puts D.D.'s feelings and comfortability above that. And that is so upsetting because there's always a fucking excuse for why nobody did something.
There's always an excuse for me too. Oh, we wanted to adopt you, but, oh, we wanted to, but, oh, but they were in medical school.
Oh, but you know, so-and-so didn't get, you know, we didn't want to upset Susie. We didn't want to upset Deedee.
We would like, what the fuck is wrong with y'all? What is wrong with y'all? It's sick. Oh, we, we tried to save the day when you're an adult and they want to be the hero it's like we tried you didn't fucking do shit you didn't do shit you didn't do shit so two things i don't know if you caught him say i he didn't understand why christy didn't step up and say something and i was like why is she being pinpointed thought that was interesting and then he said so many people there were so many people that failed you I guess for me my question is how does gypsy cope or get past family all saying something's off something's off something's off not doing anything not saying anything to proper people how does that not breed resentment and my same question I would have for you in that situation, like hearing that as an adult that we tried, does that not push you further away? Does that not, what is that like? I get very mad.
Like after I wrote my book, my aunt texted me more stuff that I never included in the book because I really didn't remember it, to be perfectly honest with you. It wasn't until she said it that I was like, oh, wow, like I completely forgot about that until you brought it up, like sort of like repressed memories, right? Her specifically and another cousin of mine constantly will be like, oh, well, we tried.
Like if it comes up in conversation, tried and it it's infuriating and like now this triggered me to be re-mad at them because no the fuck you didn't how did you not do anything you know what i mean like you really and you didn't try you really fucking didn't so i i cannot and for christy i'm sure that bobby felt that way because Christy was not necessarily a part of like the bloodline, like the family.

So it's easy to point the finger at her and be like, well, she's not related. Why didn't she say something?

And maybe that's like the subconscious connection that he's making.

He might not even really realize why he would point out Christy to be someone that should speak up.

But if you're not related, you would think that maybe they would speak up.

Does that make sense?

Yeah, because you don't have the emotional connection and the emotional tie to the other family members to then be like, oh, I'm about to blow up this whole family. Right.
I understand that. You know what I mean? I just don't know how, I mean, you're how old and you've known about the trying efforts that your family made for however long and you still have feelings about it.
Like, do you ever see a world in which you get past that? I feel like it's, it's like, um. Waves? Well, it's like Gypsy, right? like gypsy would have nothing that she has right now in this moment without everything that she went through.
And if these people tried for her, it would have been a different, a completely different story. It's the same for me.
Like I would not have this house and I would not be having my kids and I would not have everything that I have if it wasn't for my family, not trying. However, that it doesn't turn out the same for other people.
So in a way I'm thankful, but a way, it's like, don't ever sit here and try to say that you try to save me kind of thing. And that comes in waves.
Like, normally, I don't think about it on a regular basis. But because I watch this, it triggered it.
But normally, I'm fine. So I would assume that Gypsy is probably like, she's like, okay, in the end, everything is going to be okay kind of thing.
It's wild me that dd's family like her siblings and stuff will

forgive jip they will forgive dd for what she did to gypsy but won't forgive gypsy for what she did to dd that's crazy like where the fuck are y'all from and who raised you the when bobby said the comment about well that's their baby that was their baby sister she gypsy was a literal child like what where is the comparison also she was an adult their little baby sister was an adult so you're putting again you're putting an adult over a child's needs it doesn't make sense to me it doesn't make sense to me that's what i'm you know in delaware every single person is a mandated reporter right so if you see someone and you know getting a child getting abused and you are just passerby, and you don't know them from a can of paint, you still have to report, you know what I mean? Like, that should be how it is. I think that everybody that had an inkling, if every single one of them just spoke up a little bit and just been like, just raised people's ears, or raised their red flags just a little bit, if enough people came forward and been like, something isn't right, they would have to launch an investigation, right? Like some of the doctors did, but there wasn't enough.
If the doctors in combination with other family members all went forward, plus Gypsy's dad stepped up and was like, okay, here's court papers. I need welfare checks and things like that.
Maybe Gypsy would have had a different outcome. I don't know.
But the tattoo, she talks about the pick and pokes on each other in prison, which is crazy. Tattoo by a cousin is cool.
I would kind of wish I had a tattoo artist of a cousin. I thought that was cool.
And then her comment about how, like, she can get a tattoo if she wants and, like, is able to, like, finally actually make choices. I can't even imagine not being able to make choices.
Even as a kid with trick parents, I still was able to make choices. So thinking that she thinks making choices is this big thing for her, really, I think, shows, like, how bad how bad shit was i mean we can circle back to when she said freedom freedom was prison you know being in prison was the freeest she's ever felt um also his business is about to blow up i wrote that down and he said something about people say that tattoos hurt more than childbirth and And 100% they do.
I would go over 1,000%. It's a different type of pain.
So it's not the same pain, right? Like if you break a bone or you get stabbed, those are two different pains. But the pain of getting tattooed to me is worse than childbirth.
I've never experienced either pain. I don't have any tattoos and I don't have any crotch goblins.
So I can't, I just would imagine that that would not be the case. And then she's like sitting there.
She's sitting there with a straight face. She didn't even look like she was in i don't think that was an accurate to script like depiction of it i think that was editing because to me she looked like i think she got numbing cream probably she probably did um also i just want to go to louisiana specifically for the food because when gypsy's dad like came out with the apron and was like and stuff yeah like throwing the fuck down i was like oh i definitely need to go to louisiana specifically for the food um okay so now we need to move on to christy miss christy i'm hot and bothered i'm hot and bothered i have a lot of feelings on this same i'd love to hear yours so she says that ken couldn't take the heat and that's why he broke up with Gypsy and that when shit got real, he left.
And when she breaks up with her, when her kids break up with someone, she doesn't break up with them. She loves Ken and, you know, maintain the friendship or the relationship with him.
I don't know how I feel about this, like, in all because I do think there are gray areas and there are certain situations where this could be okay. However, I think given the circumstances of this scenario specifically, we don't know if Gypsy gave her explicit permission to maintain this friendship.
And I do think it's very weird that her stepmom continued this friendship or relationship with Ken all of this time after they broke up.

I just I think that that's weird.

I think it's it's disloyal.

I think that it's, you know, but that's all don't that is clearly of her own volition at that point And I was like, I need to ask Kale with seven children that might be in potential future relationships.

Would you stay friends?

Friends.

Like, that's a weird thing because the age gap's wild.

But would you stay in contact and close and as close as it appears Christy and Ken are with your kids' exes. Especially if they got married to somebody else.
I'm putting you on the spot. Well, so that would be equivalent to Javi or V maintaining a relationship

with one of Isaac's exes

because Javi was Isaac's stepdad

and V is Isaac's stepmom.

So if one of them maintained

any sort of relationship

with one of Isaac's exes,

that would be weird to me.

That would make me uncomfortable.

That would make me believe

that you are disloyal.

That would make me feel like

Thank you. That would be weird to me.
That would make me uncomfortable. That would make me believe that you are disloyal.
That would make me feel like it just feels out of place. Like I don't, I can't see myself ever friendly in certain circumstances.
If there are kids involved friendly, if there's like, I don't know if there was like a joint business or something like that, or the families just in general like maybe they grew up together I do think that there are instances where it's it's okay to be friendly but to have a relationship where Ken is calling Christy and Ken is checking up with Christy to get to that is not okay to me if my mom were to be friends with any of my exes and it was beyond if i see you out i'll say hey how are you i have a huge problem coming from the kid's perspective so the fact that gypsy and again we're only seeing this much but the fact that gypsy appears to not have an issue with it makes me believe that she wants that relationship to stay the way it is but you know what she wouldn't be able to have those like if christy just did some like if christy just had the relationship and didn't say anything gypsy wouldn't have any feelings it's that gypsy might not have known. And here goes Christy feeding this, you know, planting the seeds to keep those doors open.
So to me, it's like Gypsy was doing perfectly fine without that, without the knowledge of that. Rod likes Ryan, which I will say in this episode specifically, Rod and Ryan both grow on me.
Like I do feel like Rod is more genuine and I dislike the stepmom a little bit more and then i do feel like ryan is i do feel like ryan is a little more genuine rod seems really supportive of gypsy because then if you fast forward to the previews you know he's really sticking up for gypsy against christy yes so i agree with you that i never had an issue with the family up until this episode well i started to feel it with christy at the end towards the end of last episode with the right with the ken's shit but like i've never had an issue with the dad i know your feelings on it ryan definitely i don't hate him you know um i did want to know what the because again and if you remember back to like i think it was episode one where they made comments the dad specifically made comments about christy or gypsy's decision making he says it again gypsy is spontaneous she makes quick decisions says ryan has his hands full and i'm just curious like she's only been out for two weeks right like it supposedly in this episode it was like two weeks i think was the latest date in the timeline what decisions has she been able to make unless he's referring to the getting married thing outside of that what i want to know what the fuck he's talking about he's talking about since even in prison because she was no sooner did she get to prison she's in a relationship with ken and no sooner did they break up she's now in a relationship with ryan we don't know how many people fell in between that we don't know how many people she was talking to between that she was also she's admitted to hooking up with women in prison and you know she comes out she's getting tattoos she's getting tattoos. She's doing this.
She's doing that. You know, she wants to go to the Taylor Swift concert.
Not the Taylor Swift concert. So I don't think that he necessarily.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. The football game.
Okay. Also, my problem with both Ken and Christy as a whole.
He, she relays this message, this reasoning for why Ken broke up. The bullshit.
The fuckery, right? So Ken saying people told him, if you love her, let her go, right? Nobody actually listens, right? Like you have to do those. Like that was like when me and Chris were together and like everyone outside of myself knew that he did not want to be with me and it was never going to work.

Right.

But like, you couldn't tell me that you could not tell me that you, you tried everyone

fucking tried kill.

What the fuck are you doing?

I'm not listening to those people.

I'm trying until I'm done trying kind of thing.

So I literally wrote down that people never actually listened to that.

So I don't believe that for one second, something is not right with Ken and Ken is feeding

Thank you. So I literally wrote down that people never actually listen to that.
So I don't believe that for one second. Something is not right with Ken.
And Ken is feeding Christy whatever she wants to hear. But like, what? So you tell me that literally my therapist told me not to be with Elijah.
Like she literally said, run red flags. And I was like, okay.
And I stayed. You know what I mean? Like that's just not not people don't actually do that so chrissy said that she likes ryan she also she said it and then goes i like you know i like ryan but if ken were with if ken were with her now i knew gypsy would be safe and i wouldn't have to worry when i look at ken just looking at ken i get bad vibes so i'm not really sure what she's looking at compared to what i'm looking at but it's not the same fucking thing um that whole statement about the if you love her let her go thing i've never heard that used in this context that's usually if it's a situation of like someone isn't ready to settle down someone doesn't want to So one of you, like one person wants to break up and the other is super in love.
Like if you love them, let them go. If they come back, blah, blah, blah, that fucking bullshit.
I wrote down, if you're having a good relationship, why would you break up unless there was other factors at play? Were you embarrassed? Was this supposed heat getting to you? Or again, was there another person on Ken's end? Because that's what I think. I think there's a lot.
I think a lot of factors are at play. I don't think this is like, I love her so much.
I'm letting her go because she's absolutely not. Where is she going? She's literally behind fucking bars.
Where is she going? Where? Find herself. She's in prison.
She's not going to find herself until she leaves prison. But I read recently two books where the lover, like they're the two separate couples, like they're deeply in love, but there's so much fucked up stuff that they're like, we just need space for a minute.
And then they both come back, I think within like six months. Very different because the circumstances in the book were very different.
It was like, okay, we need to let the dust settle kind of thing. This is not that.
I don't believe that for one second. I think that that's like a very cliche line that he's using.
Also crawfish is a no from me as well. So gypsy also same.
Also gypsy having a magazine with her own face on the cover is absolutely iconic. We love that.
And then she talks about prison and her history of living with a hoarder. And so we talked about this on coffee combos.
Basically Gypsy was saying that she was the, is the opposite of her mom because she lived with a hoarder. Right.
And that she had a whole entire room growing up that was filled with just like junk and laundry that needed to be done or whatever. I thought that was really interesting because I guess when I think of hoarding, I just automatically assume that that means that other, that the children will also perpetuate that.
But a lot of times I'm seeing like with on the show, Hoarders, also in the articles that I'm reading on Instagram and now this, not Instagram, with the TikTokers posting on TikTok and now this, it's like they want to live the opposite way. One thousand percent.
And I think you only have two ways to go in that situation. You're either going to perpetuate the cycle or you're going to go completely opposite.
So I think, you know, for her to go completely opposite, I wasn't, I wasn't shocked. I just wasn't.
Plus in prison, don't you have to keep like your stuff tidy and neat and stuff. So that, that didn't shock me.
I will say that like, this is the part where I feel like I had like kind of a revelation about Ryan. He brought up in the car that Gypsy doesn't have anything to remind her of him.
And at first I was like, why making this about you again like this is a fucking tattoo why are we doing this but then i thought more into it and i was just wondering if he was looking for validation in the relationship like maybe he already sensed because we don't know what was going on behind closed doors we don't know how much he knew about the con like was she she already in contact with Ken? We have no idea. So I almost felt like he was just he's very insecure.
He's I think he's insecure, like you mentioned before as a person. But I also think that he's insecure in the marriage.
And like her saying she wanted to essentially postpone this second wedding situation, do it at a better time. He has to know something is up.
So I think he's just looking for something to grab onto so i was just saying like i also i just wonder if he was picking up on her cues that she wasn't all in and maybe that's why he's acting some of the way that he's acting i think um when you're so in love with someone like that you don't't pick up on the cues. Okay, so rose-colored glasses.
Yeah, like right when I was with Chris and I moved to Middletown and I was like, okay, like I'm here, like whatever. He like, we had already been together for three, four years at that point.
And I'm like, we talked, you went to go look at houses with me. Like you, I thought you were moving in here.
And he was like in January, in January, in January. Like that was like, if things are good, well, in hindsight, I look back and I'm like, okay, duh, he was never moving.
You know what I mean? Like you were never moving in here because we've already seen it like in the moment right and just like and that's just one very small example of all of the this the the symptoms that he was showing um but also then when I was with Malik I gave every reason under the sun why I couldn't do certain things right like it was like oh well like I can't do this or like, I can't. Oh, and I kind of use the same things that Chris was doing to me.
I did them to Malik, right? Like that's what I was doing because I knew I was like, correct. So then, you know, I think that the same can be said for Ken, not Ken, the same can be said for Ryan.
He's not seeing, okay, all of these things individually would not be a big deal if it was just, okay, let's just hold off on the wedding for a little bit and nothing else. But the fact that it's like, we're holding off on the wedding now.
Um, she's upset about Ken reaching out to, um, to Christie. And now it's, you know, she's upset that she's finding out this news and things like that.
I think that there, it's definitely rose colored glasses. So I don't think that he realizes.
When Gypsy is clearly married to Ryan and then she's also upset that Ken is like talking to Christy and, you know, saying some of the things that he's saying. I know that this might be an unpopular opinion or a hot take for some people, but it's, and I know that it's very, it's a very hard pill for some people to swallow.
We're human and it is not natural for us to have feelings for only one person. And just because you're married to one person doesn't mean that you don't have feelings for somebody else.
And I'm not saying that it is okay in terms of like your marriage and like what you owe your partner in loyalty and love and all of those things. But we're fucking human.
And the science boils down to the fact that we are going to be attracted to other people, you know, people other than our spouse. And we can love more than one person.
That doesn't mean that you want to be with them. Obviously, we know how this turns out.
But I think that does humanize. And actually, I sympathize and empathize with Gypsy in that because I can't tell you how many times I've been torn.
Not necessarily between two people, but just like complicated feelings of love and emotion and heartbreak and all of that. Like it is very, very possible to be heartbroken over one thing in one way and be married to somebody else or to, you know, as long as it's not cheating, which I've also done.
I think that it just humanizes her that that's you know that's very real and i don't know why people try to force humans into this box of like you are married to this person you can only have feelings for this person and nobody else exists that's not real that's not real life i feel like i have a i agree 1000 with what you're saying i think i have an entirely i have a different take like I think that what I wanted to ask you but it's getting far ahead into this but what I wanted to ask you was do we think that she like in the episode she mentions how he Ken liked blondes she's brunette so she went into the bathroom and sliced her hair off to get his attention. Do we think that she actually got engaged and married to get his attention? Because I feel like she has.
You don't think it was her attention. Not to get Ken's attention.
I think that Gypsy is immature and desperate for attention herself. And so it's like, I don't think that she thought it through once you get out of prison because like i've said before like when you're in prison you're like oh it's all rainbows and butterflies can't wait till i get out can't wait to you know live this life with you can't wait to blah blah blah but when you get out it's like okay actually you're suffocating me kind of thing but i don't think that she married him get Ken's attention.
I think that she herself was desperate for attention and affection and love and want

to be loved.

So I think that's more so why she rushed into it.

Do I think that she loved Ryan in some way?

Yes, but I don't know that it was the same love that she had for ken i don't even i feel like as soon as you're referring to someone as like though they were i didn't just love him he was my best friend like that's that's what's missing for me i think with the relationship of what we've seen with gypsy and ryan i don't think that it's like all the way there i think she has love for him i don't it's not coming across that she is in love with ryan to like any capacity um something that you've always told me is that like people do things by society's guidelines, right? Like we get to a certain age and we think we're supposed to get married and have the 2.5 kids and the white picket fence and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So part of me was wondering also like with her comments about I want to be a good wife.
I need to be a good wife to him. Like, is she trying to do what she thinks she's supposed to be doing instead of like actually trying to figure out what's going to make her happy in the long run? Because I feel like that's relatable.
How many of us have done that? Right? Like how many people have done shit like that? It could both because she thinks you know she also probably

feels like she has a lot to prove so she might feel like she knows the odds are stacked against her she knows that people are going to almost like she wants to prove everybody wrong too like that also adds a layer of complication she could be norm normal no not that she could be normal but that um you know people have said since her and ryan was announced in the beginning of time right like that she's rushed into this she shouldn't have married him she's you know making rash decisions. And so now she has to prove to not just herself and to Ryan, but to everybody that she's going to make it work, which ultimately she doesn't backfires.
So Ryan goes back to work in this episode. He mentions that this is eight hours a day that he's going to be gone and away from Gypsy.
Again, I'm looking at it surface level at first. And i'm like is it like that comment was weird to me right so i'm like is that concern is that control lack of trust like what is going on to make him like say that that's just like a weird i'm not like i have to go to work for eight hours today that's eight hours i'm not spending with kory like that's just odd i think it's me that to me came off as like an insecurity right because he is not sure if he leaves gypsy alone you know is she going to be left to her own devices and you know what i mean that to me screams like insecurity there was a time where i was dating chris and i would not want to leave town because i knew that if i left town, that meant that he would be with other women.
And so I feel like it's one of those situations where Ryan, whether subconsciously or consciously knows, okay, I'm going to be gone. I want people to entertain Gypsy and keep her occupied and keep her mind here.
She will have eight hours of free time to do whatever she wants talk to whoever she wants and I think it's

more about that so he followed that up with gypsy not going anywhere today and that felt very parent to child again kind of like the same conversation about the dog and I was like I'm not mad at him for it I feel like I understand it a little bit better now and her her response to what he said felt very child yes yes you know like i pictured you saying that to one of your kids like at home like okay like i'm leaving you're not going anywhere lock the doors blah blah blah and your kids be like oh my god i know like that does she not drive is she not allowed to drive i that i don't know but i would assume she doesn't really know how well why not why don't why aren't they teaching maybe they have are going to teach her maybe they're maybe that's going to be like another storyline in the episode um i was wondering if this was going to happen when he went back to work so for it to be said i was like okay so'm tracking. She said that she was feeling constricted at home because she was constricted at home with DeeDee.
Obviously constricted in jail, prison, whatever. So I just was like, there's got to be something she can do that's not, she's not on house arrest.
can't take an uber somewhere i was just like what in the hell but also what is she gonna do like you then you've said that before like what are you gonna do what is she gonna do go out by herself and what so then that's when the whole situation with christy calling her to like check in but really we know is to spill the tea about ken um she was crying about wanting to honor commitment to her husband and it was i literally wrote almost giving that she feels trapped now vibes well and that's what it is that's exactly what it is because i and that's how you know but like we all know that gypsy has rushed into all of this we all know that but that's because we've all been there we've all experienced it so we're speaking as outsiders she has to make these she has to make these decisions and these choices for her to understand it just sucks that she's doing it at 32 and not doing it in her early 20s right like because you couldn't convince me today to commit to into a new relationship and like start over and like do all that i would feel suffocated i would feel you know what i mean so i will say though uh ryan has every right to be upset with christy and i'm also upset with christy because if you think that what christy is doing is okay i we might have to talk outside because even rod gets onto christy in the previews about what she's doing and i i respect that because she's she's wrong for that um even if she decided to maintain some level of friendship with ken she could have kept it to herself and she didn't need to be the messenger between ken and gypsy because you're essentially

planting the seeds for her to cheat and um gypsy telling ryan about christy calling her and like

doing that whole thing i feel like it was respectable i think that there are a lot of

women who would do the same but i also again just going back to like human nature and like science

I don't think it's necessary it was not necessary to relay that to to Ryan in my opinion I wonder like I'm sure I tried to think about that like what I tell Corey if something similar were going on I feel like I would feel like I should yeah of course I think that that a lot of women feel like they should I don't know if I would in my opinion it is not necessary it's also not necessary just just the trickle down effect effect it is not necessary for Christy to tell Gypsy that she maintained this relationship with Ken and Ken is saying all these things it is not necessary once once Gypsy finds out, do, will some people come back and, and, and buy back and say, okay, I'll get, that's dishonest or kale. That's, you know, disloyal.
Yeah, probably. But in my opinion, humans are complicated.
Feelings are layered, complicated, all of the things. And if you can't sort out your own feelings about it, what business do you have telling your partner and getting them upset about it? Like work out your feelings before you decide what you're going to share.
Because once you share that and once you break that ice, like once that trust, it's gone for a long time for the foreseeable future. So work your feelings out for, I don't know what this like marriage is like loyal.
And as long as she is not acting on these feelings and not like going out and cheating on him why does she need to tell him or every thought and every feeling i just don't think that that makes her a bad wife by not telling i just like i can't it feels like a cult like these marriages who are like telling their partners every fucking thought that goes on in their brain to me is abnormal and unhealthy. Like I don't expect Elijah to come home and tell me about every fucking attractive woman he saw out in public.
I don't give a fuck. You're a human being.
You're going to be attracted to other people. Don't ask me what I think during the day because I don't need to, you're not my diary.
I'm not spilling all my fucking thoughts to you. If I feel the need to tell you something, I'll tell you.
But I'm not obligated to tell you shit. Why? What is this society's pressure to do that for couples? You're ruining marriages.
It's actually funny because have you and Elijah hit the phase yet where you'll be like, check her ass out? Um, not really. I mean, Elijah, I don't even know if Elijah like thinks women are like I don't know because he doesn't ever tell like I don't know what his type is I don't fucking know I don't care if it's a type if I see a nice pair of boobs or a nice butt I'll send that shit to Corey on Instagram 100 percent 100 percent I just Elijah is like I think I would have I would get a better reaction from him if I sent him fucking tools on Instagram like look at this fucking wrench and he'd be like oh wow like he'd get a boner you know what I mean like there's no Elijah getting bricked up over a tool set there's a fucking tent happening over here over this god damn power drill um i just i don't think that you know what i mean i i just don't understand this whole like we have to tell our spouses everything like you're allowed to be your own fucking human being and it is not i just can't it's so upsetting um the preview i just wrote that like rod telling christy to stay in her fucking lane was for the best and i agree with that.
I think that Gypsy needs to work out. I'll be curious to see how this plays out.
I'm really disappointed in Christy, truly. The pregnancy scare conversation in the car.
Very intrigued to see where that goes. Because again, we don't know if what was in the tabloids was accurate or not about her being pregnant.
Was it Ken's baby or it have been ryan's uh i have no idea i have no clue and then we finally see ken but my question about all of like this is where i call bullshit on ken because if you could not take the heat before get out of the kitchen now how can you no but like you couldn't take the heat before so allegedly so what makes you think a tv show and all these episodes and you being on the show makes it any better like why could you not take the heat two years ago and now you can take it all of a sudden and tenfold? Well, it sounds like he broke up with whatever girlfriend prevented him from continuing to date Gypsy in prison, but. Or boyfriend.
We'll find out. Or boyfriend.
Who the fuck knows? No idea. So I'm, this is, I'm excited for next episode, truthfully.
I can't wait. I can't fucking wait.
And I think we'll be together. We could watch it together on vacation.
Yeah, we will be.

All right. Well, that's all we have for this week's episode of Dissecting Gypsy Rose's show.
We watch on Philo. It airs Mondays on Lifetime.
Like I said, we watch on Philo. Thank you, Kristen, for coming on Barely Fucking Famous.

You're welcome. I will talk to you later.