Life After Lock Up - Ghosts of The Past

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Speaker 5 Welcome to the shit show.

Speaker 6 Things are going to get weird.

Speaker 5 It's your fae villain, Kale Row.

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Speaker 6 How are you today?

Speaker 6 I'm good.

Speaker 5 Welcome to Barely Fucking Famous. I'm fine today.

Speaker 5 I've been a little lost because my kids are at camp, but like it's my week with them. So I was

Speaker 5 not prepared, if that makes sense.

Speaker 6 Yeah, you're like, where's the chaos?

Speaker 5 Yeah, there's no chaos. So, it's been kind of just like a weird,

Speaker 5 it's been weird. Um,

Speaker 5 I did get a package for chapter seven book club today. That came, so there's a little bit of a surprise there.

Speaker 5 And so I'm excited to,

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Speaker 5 She's thriving. I don't know where I'm going to put them yet, but we're going to find somewhere to put them.
And I watched Gypsy Rose episode four. These are my notes

Speaker 5 for the episode.

Speaker 6 Oh, wow. So we have a lot to talk about.

Speaker 5 We have lots to talk about. So let's dive into Ghosts of the Past, okay? Because.

Speaker 5 Before we can even begin, I need to point something out.

Speaker 5 She has nightmares pretty much in the beginning of the episode, right? Like she's claiming that she woke up in the middle of the night. She's on the balcony.
Brian's still asleep in the bed, right?

Speaker 5 And so the producer asks her

Speaker 5 about these things, right? And she's wearing a pink shirt and her hair is about to hear.

Speaker 6 Well, here we go. We're about to hit a continuity problem.

Speaker 5 So the continuity issue is not just continuity in this instance because I feel like it's just continuity in life and storyline and all the things. Because if you get about 10 minutes into the episode,

Speaker 5 she goes into the tattoo shop to see her cousin and her hair is to the middle of her back

Speaker 5 in a ponytail.

Speaker 5 So, I mean, it's significantly longer.

Speaker 5 in the same episode. So when was,

Speaker 5 which one was filmed first?

Speaker 5 Did she go get a tattoo at her cousin's shop and then did the whole like nightmare situation and then they accidentally or like didn't really care or like didn't plan really well to put that in the beginning of the episode?

Speaker 5 Or was that made up?

Speaker 5 Because that's something that, you know, when I was on Teen Mom, there was a lot of continuity issues and I used to do them on purpose because I wanted the viewers to know that shit wasn't the way that it actually went.

Speaker 5 So there are scenes where you see my hair up and then down or it it was braided. And then the next time it's the same day, but my hair looks completely different or something like that.

Speaker 5 They used to try to make it, make me wear the same clothes, do the same stuff.

Speaker 5 And I was just like, I'm going to do it, but with a twist, because I wanted to be able to go back and be like, that was not exactly how it seemed. You know what I mean?

Speaker 6 So

Speaker 5 I need to know what the reasoning was for that, or was it just a situation of like she got her hair cut and then in editing, they just took that

Speaker 5 storyline and put it in the beginning.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I don't know. That's, I didn't, you know, it's funny because, like, you watch for that stuff, and I, I miss that stuff all the time.

Speaker 5 It's subconscious at this point, though, because I wasn't like looking for continuity. You know what I mean?

Speaker 5 Like, I wasn't looking for the, I just was like, when she was in the tattoo shop and her hair was longer, I was wait a minute. Like, my brain just automatically went there.
I don't know why. Um,

Speaker 6 I think it's just ingrained in you, yeah,

Speaker 6 you know.

Speaker 6 Um,

Speaker 6 I thought

Speaker 6 that whole scene about the nightmare situation and how she said that she was like thinking about the house and the kuda shudder woulda, and that it's not easy to live with.

Speaker 6 I thought that was interesting because last episode I had just said, like, I don't think she feels guilty at all. She doesn't show any outward signs of guilt.

Speaker 6 So, something that you had said recently about like guilt just like eats you alive.

Speaker 6 And I was like, oh, like, I, it's almost like she's haunted. Like, that's what that sounds like.
It's like you're being haunted by bad memories. And I don't think, like,

Speaker 6 I know that there's people that don't care that they commit murders, right? Like, I know that. But I also just wonder, like, does that stop them from remembering?

Speaker 6 Um,

Speaker 5 well, I guess, like, if there's people that don't care that they commit murders, right? It's essentially like they're at peace with their decision.

Speaker 5 They don't care that they did it or they feel indifferent.

Speaker 5 If you feel indifferent about something, in my experience, if I feel indifferent about something, I don't really think about it because there's nothing to think about.

Speaker 5 I'm either at peace with my decision, I don't really care. You know, if you truly, truly, truly don't care.
Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 6 Right.

Speaker 5 So, I don't know that it does, but it's funny that you say that because the first thing I wrote down was nightmares of the murder. Do we believe this?

Speaker 5 Or do we believe that they're showing all the glitz and glam on the show so far? And they haven't showed any remorse or that she feels guilty.

Speaker 5 So, we need to kind of remember what she did and take them back. And they kind of, and this is no shade to lifetime, right? Like we love that.

Speaker 5 I'm just dissecting the whole situation as like, do we actually think that she feels remorse or do we think that they needed this

Speaker 5 in the show?

Speaker 6 I think everything could exist at the same time, right? Like I think that one, probably needed it and wanted it for the show.

Speaker 6 Two,

Speaker 6 I think that there is a world where, not that I'm looking for her to feel bad, I could care less if she feels bad for what she did or not. That's not my place, right?

Speaker 6 But like, I just wonder, like, okay, how she was saying, like, the psyche comment.

Speaker 6 That's like terminology you would get from

Speaker 6 therapy.

Speaker 6 So I'm like, if she's going to therapy or if she was going to therapy during that time, I almost wonder if it like,

Speaker 6 because further in the episode, she talks about how she doesn't remember a lot from her childhood, doesn't remember a lot from those days and whatnot, right?

Speaker 6 So, I'm just like, I wonder if it's a situation of if she's going through the trauma counseling that she said that she was set up with, I think, on episode one, maybe, two, maybe.

Speaker 6 Um,

Speaker 6 not repressed memory, like bringing it back, but just like having to go through it and having to talk about it.

Speaker 6 I wonder if it could just be triggering triggering those memories, but like doesn't mean she feels bad.

Speaker 6 Does that make sense?

Speaker 5 No, it makes sense, it makes complete sense. I just, I don't know.
It feels like it needs, it's like damage control.

Speaker 5 We're showing the glitz and the glam of the show, the interviews, the this, the that.

Speaker 5 And so they needed this. That's what it feels like to me.
It doesn't feel genuine to me.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 6 I'm interested to see if they continue.

Speaker 5 I think it'll be here and there.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 5 But I mean, how

Speaker 6 I don't know.

Speaker 5 I don't know. It just, it feels very weird.
I didn't realize that that Blanchard is Gypsy's dad's last name for some reason. I always thought that that was Dee Dee's last name.

Speaker 6 Oh, okay. Uh, well, I mean, that makes sense because she was Dee Dee Blanchard, but it's because she kept the married name.

Speaker 5 Yeah, but I guess

Speaker 5 why would you keep that? Like, you're trying to get as far away from him as possible, not let allowing him to have full access to his daughter. So, why would you keep that?

Speaker 5 Um, but also, my mom did the same thing, like, she was allowry after my dad, even in other relationships and marriages and things. So,

Speaker 6 I wonder how many people get rid of their married last name or keep it. Like, I wonder what this is.

Speaker 5 I think there are people that I've heard of, like, in my own life, that will keep it because of their kids. And so, they want to match their kids with the last name.

Speaker 5 Like, my mom is still, I believe, if she's not a Lowry, she's back to her maiden name. She didn't take her new husband's last name.

Speaker 5 So, I think legally, my mom is still Lowry.

Speaker 6 Interesting. Okay.

Speaker 6 I know when my mom was married before my dad, she took his last name, got it back in the divorce, like got her maiden name back during the divorce, and then took my dad's when they got married. Okay.

Speaker 6 That, yeah, that makes sense. I'm just, I'm very curious.
Um, the TikTok clips that I love how they're incorporating them. Like, I really love them.

Speaker 6 Really cool and very different

Speaker 6 from anything that we've ever seen. Um,

Speaker 6 when they were playing the TikTok clips this time about all of her abuse and stuff, stuff, it's still, it just really. I would love to talk to somebody that has

Speaker 6 or had, I don't know if you can get over it, still don't have the answer to that one, Munchausen's by proxy, because I just cannot understand how you put somebody through

Speaker 6 all of that stuff. And like, what it,

Speaker 6 I don't understand it. Like, what does that do for you putting somebody else through medical treatments?

Speaker 5 That are. She gets attention.
She gets attention for like the woe is me. Didi, you do so much.
You're her caretaker. She's the light of your life.
You're getting free trips. You're getting free cars.

Speaker 5 You're getting a house by home. You know, the habits that like pity.

Speaker 6 Like attention.

Speaker 5 It's absolutely pity and sorrow and people feeling bad for them. You know what I mean? Like, I don't think that it's like genuine, like, you know what I mean?

Speaker 5 Like, it's not, it's genuine, but it's more pity than it is. Like, actual, like, Didi didn't have like real friends.
You know what I mean? So, like, she didn't have fulfilling relationships.

Speaker 5 It was more like the woe is Didi kind of situation, in my opinion. Um,

Speaker 5 so

Speaker 5 Gypsy says that she really didn't know that she was getting abused like as a small child. She just knew

Speaker 5 that her child, like from her perspective, it was just her childhood.

Speaker 5 Um, and then she, my biggest question here is that when she gets the urge to walk, like as kids do, right? Like, my kids won't even sit still.

Speaker 5 So, if I tried to force them into a wheelchair, that would be a literal nightmare. So, like, what did she do? So, did she only sit in the wheelchair and things like that when people were around?

Speaker 5 Or, like, was it one of those things that when she got home, they closed the door, they locked the doors, closed all the windows, and she was allowed to get up out of the wheelchair?

Speaker 6 I don't know. Cause something,

Speaker 6 I feel like, from everything that we've seen, something tells me she was made to stay in that wheelchair unless she was in bed.

Speaker 6 Because, did you hear what they were like

Speaker 6 in the TikTok clips? They were talking about how she was like chained up at night to her mom so that the mom could feel her if she even moved, like attempted to move. That blew my mind.

Speaker 6 Like, Jitsi knew she

Speaker 5 knew she could walk though.

Speaker 6 I also wonder if she was on, because you know how she was on all the, like, all different kinds of medications and stuff. I wonder if she was on something that like made it harder to walk.

Speaker 6 Like, um, not, I don't want to say like a muscle relaxer, but maybe like

Speaker 6 I don't know, but I just something tells me she was, there was never an instance where she was allowed to walk once she got into the wheelchair.

Speaker 6 Like from walking to not, I think she was forced to stay. I don't think there was, because you have to think about it.
The mom wouldn't want her to know she can walk.

Speaker 5 But she did know she could walk. She said that in the past.

Speaker 6 Right. But like,

Speaker 6 I think that the mom wouldn't want to keep perpetuating the walking at home.

Speaker 5 So. When she went to the movies and dressed up as a princess to go meet her boyfriend and they kissed in the bathroom or whatever, she walked, did she not?

Speaker 6 That I don't know.

Speaker 5 That's a good question. Did she wheel there? Like, her mom let her go to the bathroom by herself.
Like, what was that? Like, you know what I mean? Like, she had to have gotten out of her.

Speaker 5 Because didn't they have sex in the bathroom or something?

Speaker 6 She had sex somewhere.

Speaker 5 Okay, so she makes a comment that she doesn't remember a lot from her childhood, which is what you said. And I get that because there are very specific things that I remember.

Speaker 5 But, like, I guess as a whole, I don't have a whole lot of memory. Or maybe it's just that, like, there wasn't a whole lot going on outside of like the trauma.

Speaker 5 So

Speaker 5 I get that. Um,

Speaker 6 I don't know.

Speaker 6 I, so, when this, when they were in the car and the sleep apnea mask got brought up, did you feel the awkwardness that like sat in that car after that, like, the sleep apnea thing was made, like, was said?

Speaker 6 And I was just like, I could feel, like, what do you say to somebody who has suffered abuse to that extent? What can you even say? Oh, I'm sorry. Like, I'm sorry doesn't feel good enough.

Speaker 6 You can't relate. Absolutely.
There's no way you can relate. What are you supposed to say? Literally.

Speaker 6 We did the right thing by saying absolutely nothing, but it just felt so incredibly awkward that I was like, whoa. And then when she started talking about Dee Dee's mom dying.
When

Speaker 5 Dee D Dee's mom dying, I don't know.

Speaker 5 So Gypsy had good memories with her up until she's seven. First of all, I don't remember a whole lot before I was seven.

Speaker 5 What memories did you have with her? And she also had some level of of Munchausen by proxy.

Speaker 6 I don't know.

Speaker 5 The family in a pre in another documentary or another like thing talked about how the Emma was doing the same thing to Didi, and then Dee Dee perpetuated it tenfold with Gypsy.

Speaker 6 I mean,

Speaker 5 so like, what good memories could you have had? And also,

Speaker 5 I don't know why Gypsy,

Speaker 5 I don't know, the whole thing feels really weird. The The whole thing feels so fucking weird to me.

Speaker 6 When she said that Dee Dee was triggered by her mom dying,

Speaker 6 or when she was talking about how she went on a spiral, I was like, oh, so that was her trigger. And then all of a sudden, that's when she said things got really bad.

Speaker 6 My mom spiraled, things got worse. And I'm like,

Speaker 6 did Dee Dee not know that her mom

Speaker 6 abused her too?

Speaker 5 No, I don't think she did. I think that

Speaker 5 there was mental illness at play, play, and not every person that has mental illness has the self-awareness to know that it's a mental illness and that it's wrong. So I think that some people,

Speaker 5 like,

Speaker 5 some people are aware, but some people are not. And I don't think that if

Speaker 5 Dee Dee knew, why would she perpetuate it that bad? You know what I mean? So I don't think that she knew. But it seems like the brothers and sisters knew.
Didi's brothers and sisters knew.

Speaker 6 Yeah. And then describing them as like off, describing her as off, weird.
There was always something up. Like I was like, hold on a second.

Speaker 6 I will say when she was, when Gypsy was talking to Emma's grave,

Speaker 6 I was like,

Speaker 6 that experience in itself, like I can relate because I do it with my dad. It's the weirdest thing.
It's so fucking weird. When you like, you know, they're not there.

Speaker 6 It's the, it's just, it's very weird. And then I also was wondering how Ryan felt being there because it's not like he ever met the grandmother.

Speaker 6 And then here Gypsy is like talking to the grave, introducing Ryan, which I'm sure to some extent was also like for the show.

Speaker 6 And I've never asked Corey how he feels, and he goes with me to the cemetery every time I go.

Speaker 5 I've gone to visit graves, but I don't, I guess, when I, and there's nothing wrong with it, people grieve how they grieve, and I think everything is fine, but it has to be a different level of weird.

Speaker 5 I mean, the concept of it is weird, right? But like, even weirder on TV, but I think it's almost like normal. Like, it doesn't, I never thought that.

Speaker 5 Like, I've never spoken to a grave, but I've never, I was never like, oh my God, that's weird. But like, now that you say it out loud, like, when you're,

Speaker 5 but also, where, so, where is Dee D Dee buried and why wasn't she buried with her mom?

Speaker 5 Because I guess even if Gypsy didn't have anything to do with it, because Gypsy said like if she was, if she had the ability, she would have buried Dee Dee with Emma.

Speaker 5 But so take Gypsy out of the equation, why didn't anyone bury Dee D Dee with Emma and like where is she buried?

Speaker 6 That I don't know. I also

Speaker 6 did she get buried or did she get cremated?

Speaker 5 Well, either way, you can have a tombstone even if you got cremated.

Speaker 6 True.

Speaker 6 That is a good question. I don't know, but I also just wonder.

Speaker 6 So, if the brothers and sisters knew that what Emma did to Dee Dee wasn't okay, maybe that's why they were like, No, we're not burying you with your abuser.

Speaker 6 No way.

Speaker 5 Because, because no, because the family, Didi's family, they are

Speaker 5 all sick, really, truly, because they knew that shit was going on and they didn't do anything about it. They knew that Emma abused Didi in similar ways.
And

Speaker 5 for them to just be upset with Gypsy and not,

Speaker 5 they don't see anything wrong with this. So I, I highly, they don't see anything wrong with what Dee D Dee did to Gypsy or to a point that like,

Speaker 5 I mean, to this day, I don't feel bad. Like I don't feel bad that Gypsy murdered her mom.
Like I don't. The fact that they don't forgive Gypsy and then they would have, but like it seems very

Speaker 5 counterproductive or like hypocritical to be like no we don't forgive gypsy for what she did in getting out of this mess when Dee Dee did this to her tenfold compared to what Emma did to her, but then turn around and be like, We won't bury you with your abuse.

Speaker 5 That doesn't

Speaker 6 mean I just, I have no idea. I'm gonna have to look up where she is buried or why, I guess.

Speaker 5 I can't remember what documentary it was, but there was one where like all of Gypsy's, like, I think it was like her grandfather was on it, her uncles and stuff like that.

Speaker 5 I think it was while she was still in prison. And they said that Gypsy would do of like, I'm pretty sure they said that she got up and walked the one day.

Speaker 6 Well, I know that, I know that that occurred because Bobby, the cousin, said

Speaker 6 the comment about when they found out she was going to be in the, she was in the special Olympics. And they're like, she's doing so good.

Speaker 6 And he's, and he said, I was like, yeah, of course she's killing it because she can walk.

Speaker 6 He said that in the episode.

Speaker 6 So I definitely, I've heard that, but I, it's just, as far as what happened behind closed doors at home with Gypsy and Dee Dee as far as the walking thing, it doesn't make sense to me why Dee Dee would allow her out of the wheelchair at home.

Speaker 6 It doesn't seem like she had any kind of

Speaker 6 bone in her body at that point, you know? So

Speaker 6 that part is just weird. I also thought it was interesting

Speaker 6 because the last documentary I watched before this one was a long time ago on Gypsy stuff. And I did not know that her mom was actually diagnosed as bipolar.
I did not know that.

Speaker 5 I don't think I knew that either. Um, and I wrote down that Bobby, her cousin, the tattoo artist, said that at four years old, Gypsy was still walking, but really sick.
So that was interesting.

Speaker 5 I definitely think that it's possible that Dee Dee might have been schizophrenic.

Speaker 5 Because why are you talking to like these condiment packets and like making pets and then squashing them and saying you're going to take care of them and getting up a breath?

Speaker 5 Like, it just feels very schizophrenic. Because I'm also watching six schizophrenic brothers to talk about on coffee combos,

Speaker 5 and

Speaker 5 on that one, they're describing like

Speaker 5 episodes, for lack of better words, of the schizophrenia untreated schizophrenia. And that kind of sort of reminded me of

Speaker 6 you know, what's the unvisual,

Speaker 5 yeah.

Speaker 6 Um,

Speaker 5 and Gypsy goes on to say that there's like not really a whole or Bobby or Gypsy, right? Um, Bobby or Gypsy talks about not really having mental health resources. I think it was Gypsy that Gypsy.

Speaker 6 Gypsy said that. Um, that was also the first time I heard Gypsy say that she, that Dee Dee heard voices and saw shapes.
I'm assuming by shapes, she meant big figures, is what I would think.

Speaker 5 Is that not schizophrenia?

Speaker 6 I think, I mean, I'm sure that visual, like,

Speaker 6 I don't want to say impairment, but like seeing things that aren't actually there is a symptom of multiple different things. But I have most commonly seen it associated with schizophrenia.

Speaker 5 So, what really bothers me is

Speaker 5 I think it was

Speaker 5 during the same same conversation with Bobby and Gypsy. One of them said that Dee Dee seemed a little off, and I put big letters a little off with question marks.

Speaker 5 What's really infuriating here, and I think part of the reason why I'm so infuriated by this is that nobody put Gypsy's well-being over an adult's feelings. I,

Speaker 5 you know what I mean?

Speaker 6 And nobody wants to upset.

Speaker 6 Yep.

Speaker 5 They don't want to upset Dee Dee. And the same thing happened to me.

Speaker 5 They don't want to upset Susie. They don't want to do that to Susie.
So instead of putting a child over an adult's feelings, you are going to

Speaker 5 create

Speaker 5 way more trials for this person, whether it be me or Gypsy or anybody else.

Speaker 5 Everyone just ignores the needs and the safety and the well-being of Gypsy Rose and puts Dee Dee's feelings and comfortability above that.

Speaker 5 And that is so upsetting because there's always a fucking excuse for why nobody did something. There's always an excuse for me too.

Speaker 5 Oh, we wanted to adopt you, but, oh, we wanted to, but, oh, but they were in medical school. Oh, but, you know, so-and-so didn't get, you know, we didn't want to upset Susie.

Speaker 5 We didn't want to upset Dee Dee. We would, like, what the fuck is wrong with y'all? What is wrong with y'all? It's,

Speaker 5 oh, we tried to save the day when you're an adult and they want to be the hero. It's like, we tried.
You didn't fucking do shit.

Speaker 6 You didn't do shit.

Speaker 5 You didn't do shit.

Speaker 6 So

Speaker 6 two things. I don't know if you caught him say

Speaker 6 I, he didn't understand why Christy didn't step up and say something. And I was like, why is she being pinpointed? Thought that was interesting.

Speaker 6 And then he said, so many people, there were so many people that failed you.

Speaker 6 I guess for me, my question is, how does Gypsy cope or get past family? all saying something's off, something's off, something's off, not doing anything, not saying anything to proper people.

Speaker 6 How does that not breed resentment? And my same question I would have for you in that situation. Like hearing that as an adult that we tried, does that not

Speaker 6 push you further away? Does that not, what is that like?

Speaker 5 I get very mad. Like

Speaker 5 after I wrote my book, My aunt texted me more stuff that I never included in the book because I really didn't remember it, to be perfectly honest with you.

Speaker 5 It wasn't until she said it that I was was like, oh, wow, like I completely forgot about that until you brought it up. Like, sort of like repress memories, right?

Speaker 5 Her specifically, and another cousin of mine constantly will be like, oh, well, we tried. Like, if it, if, if it comes up in conversation, oh, we tried.
And it, it's infuriating.

Speaker 5 And like, now this triggered me to be re-mad at them because, no, the fuck, you didn't.

Speaker 5 How did you not do anything? You know what I mean? Like, you really, and you didn't try. You really fucking didn't.

Speaker 5 So, I

Speaker 5 cannot,

Speaker 5 and for Christy, I'm sure that Bobby felt that way because Christy was not necessarily a part of like the bloodline, like the family.

Speaker 5 So, it's easy to point the finger at her and be like, Well, she's not related. Why didn't she say something? And maybe that's like the subconscious connection that he's making.

Speaker 5 Like, he might not even really realize why he would point out Christy to be someone that should speak up. But if you're not related, you would think that maybe they would speak up.

Speaker 5 Does that make sense?

Speaker 6 Yeah, because because you don't have the emotional connection and the emotional tie to the other family members to then be like, Oh, I'm about to blow up this whole family, right? And

Speaker 6 you know what I mean?

Speaker 6 I just don't know how.

Speaker 6 I mean,

Speaker 6 you're how old, and you've known about the trying efforts that your family made for however long, and you still have feelings about it. Like, do you ever see a world in which you get past that?

Speaker 5 I feel like it's like, um,

Speaker 6 waves.

Speaker 5 Well, it's like Gypsy, right? Like, Gypsy would have nothing that she has right now in this moment without everything that she went through.

Speaker 5 And if these people tried for her, it would have been a different, a completely different story. It's the same for me.

Speaker 5 Like, I would not have this house and I would not be having my kids and I would not have everything that I have if it wasn't for my family not trying.

Speaker 5 However, that it doesn't turn out the same for other people. So in a way, I'm thankful, but in a way, it's like, don't ever sit here and try to say that you tried to save me kind of thing.

Speaker 5 And that comes in waves. Like, normally, I don't think about it on a regular basis, but because I watched this, it triggered it.
But normally, I'm fine.

Speaker 5 So, I would assume that Gypsy is probably like, she's like, okay, in the end, everything is going to be okay, kind of thing.

Speaker 5 It's wild to me that Didi's family, like her siblings and stuff, will forgive Jip. They will forgive Didi for what she did to Gypsy, but won't forgive Gypsy for what she did to Dee Dee.
That's crazy.

Speaker 5 Like, where the fuck are y'all from and who raised you?

Speaker 6 The when Bobby said the comment about, well, that's their baby, that was their baby's sister.

Speaker 6 She gypsy was a literal child. Like, what,

Speaker 6 where is the comparison?

Speaker 5 Also, she was an adult, their little baby sister was an adult. So, you're putting again, you're putting an adult over a child's needs.
It doesn't make sense to me. It doesn't make sense to me.

Speaker 5 That's why I'm, you know, in Delaware, every single person is a mandated reporter, right?

Speaker 5 So, if you see someone and, you know, getting a child getting abused, and you are just a passerby and you don't know them from a can of paint, you still have to report. You know what I mean?

Speaker 5 Like, that should be how it is. I think

Speaker 5 the everybody that had an inkling, if every single one of them just spoke up a little bit and just been like, just raised people's ears or raised their red flags just a little bit, if enough people came forward and been like, something isn't right, they would have to launch an investigation, right?

Speaker 5 Like

Speaker 5 some of the doctors did, but there wasn't enough. If the doctors, in combination with other family members, all went forward, plus Gypsy's dad stepped up and was like, okay, here's court papers.

Speaker 5 I need

Speaker 5 welfare checks and things like that. Maybe Gypsy would have had a different outcome.

Speaker 6 I don't know. But

Speaker 5 the tattoo,

Speaker 5 she talks about the pick and pokes on each other in prison, which is crazy.

Speaker 5 Tattoo by a cousin is cool. Like, I would kind of wish I had a tattoo artist of a cousin.

Speaker 6 I thought that was cool. And then her comment about how, like, she can get a tattoo if she wants and like is able to like finally actually make choices.

Speaker 6 I can't even imagine not being able to make choices. Even as a kid with trick parents, I still was able to make choices.

Speaker 6 So, thinking that she thinks making choices is this big thing for her really, I think, shows like how bad shit was.

Speaker 5 I mean, we can circle back to when she said

Speaker 5 freedom

Speaker 5 was prison. You know, being in prison was the freest she's ever felt.
Um, also, his business is about to blow up.

Speaker 5 I wrote that down, and he said something about people say that tattoos hurt more than childbirth, and 100% they do.

Speaker 5 I would go over

Speaker 5 1,000%. It's a different type of pain, so it's not the same pain, right? Like if you break a bone or you get stabbed, those are two different pains.

Speaker 5 But the pain of getting tattooed to me is worse than childbirth.

Speaker 6 I've never

Speaker 6 experienced either pain. I don't have any tattoos and I don't have any crotch goblins.
So I can't, I just would imagine that that would not be the case. And then she's like sitting there.

Speaker 6 She's sitting there with a straight face. She didn't even look like she was in pain.

Speaker 5 I don't think that was an accurate descript, like depiction of it. I think that was editing because to me, she looks like

Speaker 6 she got numbing cream.

Speaker 5 Probably. She probably did.

Speaker 5 Also, I just want to go to Louisiana specifically for the food because when Gypsy's dad like came out with the apron and was like

Speaker 5 stuff, yeah, like throwing the fuck down. I was like, oh, I definitely need to go to Louisiana specifically for the food.

Speaker 5 Okay, so now we need to move on to Christy. Miss Christy, I'm hot and bothered.

Speaker 5 I'm hot and bothered. I have a lot of feelings on this.

Speaker 6 Sam, I would love to hear yours.

Speaker 5 So.

Speaker 5 She says that Ken couldn't take the heat and that's why he broke up with Gypsy and that when shit got real, he left.

Speaker 5 um and when she breaks up with her when her kids break up with someone she doesn't break up with them she loves ken and you know maintain the friendship or the relationship with him i don't know how i feel about this like in all because i do think there are gray areas and there are certain situations where this could be okay however

Speaker 5 i think given the circumstances of this scenario specifically We don't know if Gypsy gave her explicit permission to maintain this friendship.

Speaker 5 And I do think it's very weird that her stepmom continued this friendship or relationship with Ken all of this time after they broke up. I just, I think that that's weird.
I think it's, it's disloyal.

Speaker 5 I think that it's, you know, but that's all without knowing that gypsy, if Gypsy gave her permission to do that or not.

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Speaker 6 There's like one thing of like giving permission, right? But her blatantly saying, when my kids break up with someone, I don't.

Speaker 6 That is clearly of her own volition at that point.

Speaker 6 And I was like, I need to ask Kale with seven children

Speaker 6 that might be in potential future relationships.

Speaker 6 Would you stay friends?

Speaker 6 Friends, like that's a weird thing because the age gap's wild, but but would you stay in contact and close and as close as it appears Christy and Ken are with your kids exes

Speaker 6 especially if they got married to somebody else

Speaker 6 putting you on the spot well so

Speaker 5 that would be equivalent to

Speaker 5 Javi or V

Speaker 5 maintaining a relationship with one of Isaac's exes because Javi was Isaac's stepdad and V is Isaac's stepmom. So if one of them maintained any sort of relationship with one of Isaac's exes,

Speaker 5 that would be weird to me. That would make me uncomfortable.
That would make me believe that you are disloyal. That would make me feel like

Speaker 5 it just feels out of place. Like I don't, I can't see myself ever

Speaker 5 friendly in certain circumstances if if there are kids involved, friendly if there's like, I don't know, if there was like a joint business or something like that, or maybe the families just in general, like maybe they grew up together.

Speaker 5 I do think that there are instances where it's, it's okay to be friendly, but to have a relationship where Ken is calling Christie and Ken is checking up with Christy to get to,

Speaker 5 that is not okay to me.

Speaker 6 If my mom were to be friends with any of my exes

Speaker 6 and it was beyond if I see you out, I'll say, hey, how are you?

Speaker 6 I have a huge problem. Coming from the kids' perspective.
So the fact that Gypsy, and again, we're only seeing this much, but the fact that Gypsy appears to not have an issue with it

Speaker 6 makes me believe that she wants that relationship to stay the way it is.

Speaker 5 But you know what? She wouldn't be able to have those, like.

Speaker 5 If Christie just did something, like if Christy just had the relationship and didn't say anything, Gypsy wouldn't have any feelings. It's that

Speaker 5 Gypsy might not have known. And here goes Christie feeding this, you know,

Speaker 5 planting the seeds to keep those doors open. So to me, it's like Gypsy was doing perfectly fine without that, without the knowledge of that.

Speaker 5 Rod likes Ryan, which I will say in this episode specifically, Rod and Ryan both grow on me. Like I do feel like Rod is more genuine and I dislike the stepmom a little bit more.

Speaker 5 And then I do feel like Ryan is, I do feel like Ryan is a little more genuine.

Speaker 5 Rod seems really supportive of Gypsy because then, if you fast-forward to the previews, you know, he's really sticking up for Gypsy against Christie.

Speaker 6 Yes.

Speaker 6 So I agree with you that I never had an issue with the family up until this episode.

Speaker 6 Well, I started to feel it with Christy at the end, towards the end of last episode with the Ryan, with the Ken's shit, but like, I've never had an issue with the dad. I know your feelings on it.

Speaker 6 Ryan definitely, I don't hate him. You know,

Speaker 6 um,

Speaker 6 I did want to know what the

Speaker 6 because again, and if you remember back to like, I think it was episode one where they made comments. The dad specifically made comments about Chrissy or Gypsy's decision making.

Speaker 6 He says it again: Gypsy is spontaneous. She makes quick decisions, says Ryan has his hands full.
And I'm just curious, like, she's only been out for two weeks, right?

Speaker 6 Like, it supposedly in this episode, it was like two weeks, I think, was the latest date in the timeline.

Speaker 6 What decisions has she been able to make, unless he's referring to the getting married thing?

Speaker 6 Outside of that, what I want to know what the fuck he's talking about.

Speaker 5 He's talking about since even in prison, because she was

Speaker 5 no sooner did she get to prison, she's in a relationship with Ken. And no sooner did they break up, she's now in a relationship with Ryan.
We don't know how many people fell in between that.

Speaker 5 We don't know how many people she was talking to between that. She was also, she's admitted to hooking up with women in prison.
And, you know, she comes out, she's getting tattoos. She's doing this.

Speaker 5 She's doing that. You know, she wants to go to the Taylor Swift concert or not the Taylor Swift concert.

Speaker 6 So I don't think that he necessarily.

Speaker 5 Yeah, yeah, yeah. The football game.

Speaker 5 Okay. Also, my problem with both Ken and Christy as a whole.

Speaker 5 She relays this message, this reasoning for why Ken broke off.

Speaker 6 Bullshit.

Speaker 5 The fuckery, right? So Ken saying people told him, if you love her, let her go. Right.

Speaker 5 Nobody actually listens, right? Like, you have to do those. Like, that was like when me and Chris were together.
And like, everyone outside of myself knew that he did not want to be with me.

Speaker 5 And it was never going to work. Right.
But like, you couldn't tell me that. You could not tell me that.
You, you tried. Everyone fucking tried.
Kill, what the fuck are you doing?

Speaker 5 I'm not listening to those people. I'm trying until I'm done trying, kind of thing.
So I literally wrote down that people never actually listen to that.

Speaker 5 So I don't believe that for one second, something is not right with Ken. And

Speaker 5 Ken is feeding Christy whatever she wants to hear. But like,

Speaker 5 what?

Speaker 5 So you can tell me that literally my therapist told me not to be with Elijah. Like, she literally said, run red flags.
And I was like, okay. And I stayed.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 5 Like, that's just not, people don't actually do that.

Speaker 6 So Christy said that she likes ryan she also she said it and then goes i like you know i like ryan but if ken were with

Speaker 6 if ken were with her now i knew gypsy would be safe and i wouldn't have to worry

Speaker 6 when i look at ken just looking at ken i get bad vibes so i'm not really sure what she's looking at compared to what i'm looking at but it's not the same fucking thing um

Speaker 6 That whole statement about the if you love her, let her go thing,

Speaker 6 I've never heard that that used in this context. That's usually if it's a situation of like someone isn't ready to settle down, someone doesn't want to commit.

Speaker 6 So one of you, like one person wants to break up and the other is super in love. Like, if you love them, let them go.
If they come back, blah, blah, blah, that fucking bullshit.

Speaker 6 I wrote down: if you're having a good relationship, why would you break up unless there were other factors at play? Were you embarrassed? Was this supposed heat getting to you?

Speaker 6 Or again, was there another person on Ken's end? Because that's what I think.

Speaker 5 I think there was a lot of, I think a lot of factors factors are at play. I don't think this is like, I love her so much, I'm letting her go because she's not.

Speaker 6 Absolutely not. Where is she going? She's literally behind fucking bars.
Where is she going?

Speaker 6 Where?

Speaker 5 Find herself. She's in prison.
She's not going to find herself until she leaves prison. But I read recently two books where

Speaker 5 the lover, like they're the

Speaker 5 two separate couples, like they're deeply in love, but there's so much fucked up stuff that they're like, we just need space for a minute.

Speaker 5 And then they they both come back i think within like six months very different because the circumstances in the book were very different was like okay we need to let the dust settle kind of thing this is not that i don't believe that for one second i think that that's like a very cliche line that he's using um also crawfish is a no from me as well so gypsy also same

Speaker 5 Also, Gypsy having a magazine with her own face on the cover is absolutely iconic. We love that.

Speaker 5 And then she talks about prison and her history of living with a a hoarder. And so, we talked about this on Coffee Combos.

Speaker 5 Basically, Gypsy was saying that she was the opposite of her mom because she lived with a hoarder, right?

Speaker 5 And that she had a whole entire room growing up that was filled with just like junk and laundry that needed to be done or whatever.

Speaker 5 I thought that was really interesting because I guess when I think of hoarding, I just automatically assume that that means

Speaker 5 that other, that the

Speaker 5 children will also perpetuate that.

Speaker 5 But a lot of times I'm seeing, like, without with on the show hoarders, um, also in the articles that I'm reading on Instagram and now this, not Instagram, with the, with the TikTokers posting on TikTok and now this, it's like they're, they, they want to live the opposite way.

Speaker 6 1000%. And I, and I think you only have two ways to go in that situation.
You're either going to perpetuate the cycle or you're going to go completely opposite.

Speaker 6 So I think, you know, for her to go completely opposite, I, I wasn't, I, I wasn't shocked. I just wasn't.
Plus, in prison, don't you have to keep like your stuff tidy and neat and stuff.

Speaker 6 So that, that didn't shock me. I will say that like, this is the part where I feel like I had like kind of a revelation about Ryan.

Speaker 6 He brought up in the car that Gypsy doesn't have anything to remind her of him. And at first I was like, why are you making this about you? Again, like, this is a fucking tattoo.

Speaker 6 Why are we doing this? But then I thought more into it. And I was just wondering if.

Speaker 6 He was looking for validation in the relationship. Like, maybe he already sensed, because we don't know what was going on behind closed doors.
We don't know how much he knew about the con, like,

Speaker 6 was she already in contact with Ken? We have no idea. So, I almost felt like he was just, he's very insecure.

Speaker 6 He's, I think he's insecure, like you mentioned before, as a person, but I also think that he's insecure in the marriage.

Speaker 6 And, like, her saying she wanted to essentially postpone this second wedding situation, do it at a better time.

Speaker 6 He has to know something is up. So, I think he's just looking for something to grab onto.
So, I was just saying, like, I also, I just wonder if he was picking up on her cues that she wasn't all in.

Speaker 6 And

Speaker 6 maybe that's why he's acting some of the way that he's acting.

Speaker 5 I think

Speaker 5 when you're so in love with someone like that, you don't pick up on the cues.

Speaker 6 Okay, so rose-colored glasses.

Speaker 5 Yeah, like right when I was with Chris and I moved to Middletown and I was like, okay, like I'm here, like whatever.

Speaker 5 He like, we had already been together for three, four years at that point. And I'm like,

Speaker 5 we talked, you went to go look at houses with me. Like, you, I thought you were moving in here.
And he was like, in January, in January, in January. Like, that was like, if things are good, well,

Speaker 5 in hindsight, I look back and I'm like, okay, duh, he was never moving. You know what I mean?

Speaker 6 Like, you were never moving in here because we already see it like in the moment.

Speaker 5 Right. And just like, and that's just one very small example of all of the this the the symptoms that he was showing um but also then when i was with malik

Speaker 5 i gave every reason under the sun why i couldn't do certain things right like it was like oh well like i can't do this because of this or like i can't oh and i kind of used the same things that chris was doing to me i did them to malik right like that's what i was doing because i

Speaker 5 knew I was like, finally.

Speaker 5 Correct. So then, you know, I think that the same can be said for Ken, not Ken, the same can be said for Ryan.

Speaker 5 He's not seeing, okay, all of these things individually would not be a big deal if it was just, okay, let's just hold off on the wedding for a little bit and nothing else.

Speaker 5 But the fact that it's like, we're holding off on the wedding, now she's upset about Ken reaching out to

Speaker 5 Christy. And now it's, you know, she's upset that.

Speaker 5 She's finding out this news and things like that. I think that they're, it's definitely rose-colored classes.
So I don't think that he realizes.

Speaker 5 When Gypsy is clearly married to Ryan and then she's also upset that Ken is like talking to Christy and, you know, saying some of the things that he's saying, I know that this might be an unpopular opinion or a hot take for some people, but it's, and I know that it's very, it's a very hard pill for some people to swallow.

Speaker 5 We're human and it is not natural for us to have feelings for only one person. And just because you're married to one person doesn't mean that you don't have feelings for somebody else.

Speaker 5 And I'm not saying that it is okay in terms of like your marriage and like what you owe your partner in loyalty and love and all of those things, but we're fucking human.

Speaker 5 And the science boils down to the fact that we are going to be attracted to other people, you know, people other than our spouse. And we can love more than one person.

Speaker 5 That doesn't mean that you want to be with them. Obviously, we know how this turns out, but I think that does humanize.
And actually.

Speaker 5 I sympathize and empathize with Gypsy in that because I can't tell you how many times I've been torn, not necessarily between two people, but just like complicated feelings of love and emotion and heartbreak and all of that like it is very very possible to be heartbroken over one thing in one way and be married to somebody else or to you know as long as it's not cheating which i've also done um

Speaker 5 i i think that it just humanizes her that that's you know that's very real and i don't know why people try to force humans into this box of like you're married to this person you can only have feelings for this person and nobody else exists that's not real that's not real life

Speaker 6 i feel like i have a a, I agree 1000% with what you're saying. I think I have an entirely, I have a different take.
Like, I think that

Speaker 6 what I wanted to ask you, but it's getting far ahead into this, but what I wanted to ask you was: do we think that she,

Speaker 6 like in the episode, she mentions how he, Ken liked blondes, she's brunette, so she went into the bathroom and sliced her hair off

Speaker 6 to get his attention. Do we think that she actually got engaged and married to get his attention?

Speaker 6 Because I

Speaker 6 feel like she has.

Speaker 6 You don't think it was her attention.

Speaker 5 Not to get Ken's attention. I think that Gypsy is immature and desperate for attention herself.
And so it's like,

Speaker 5 I don't think that she thought it through once you get out of prison because, like I've said before, like when you're in prison, you're like, oh, it's all rainbows and butterflies.

Speaker 5 Can't wait till I get out. Can't wait to, you know, live this life with you.
Can't wait to blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 5 But when you get out, out, it's like, okay, actually, you're suffocating me, kind of thing. But I don't think that she married him to get Ken's attention.

Speaker 5 I think that she herself was desperate for attention and affection and love and want to be loved. So I think that's more so why she rushed into it.
Do I think that she loved Ryan in some way?

Speaker 5 Yes, but I don't know that it was the same love

Speaker 5 that she had for Ken.

Speaker 6 I don't even, I feel like

Speaker 6 as soon as you're referring to someone as like, though, they weren't, I didn't just love him, he was my best friend. Like,

Speaker 6 that's, that's what's missing for me, I think, with the relationship of what we've seen with Gypsy and Ryan. I don't think that it's like all the way there.
I think she has love for him.

Speaker 6 I don't, it's not not coming across that she is in love with Ryan to like any capacity.

Speaker 6 Something that you've always told me is that like people do things by society's guidelines, right?

Speaker 6 Like we get to a certain age and we think we're supposed to get married and have the 2.5 kids and the white picket fence and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 6 So part of me was wondering also, like with her comments about, I want to be a good wife. I need to be a good wife to him.
Like,

Speaker 6 is she trying to do what she thinks she's supposed to be doing instead of actually trying to figure out what's going to make her happy in the long run? Because I feel like that's relatable.

Speaker 6 How many of us have done that, right? Like, how many people have done like that?

Speaker 5 It could be both because she thinks, you know,

Speaker 5 she also probably feels like she has a lot to prove. So, she might feel like she knows

Speaker 5 the odds are stacked against her. She knows that people are going to

Speaker 5 almost like she wants to prove everybody wrong, too. Like

Speaker 5 that also adds a layer of complication.

Speaker 6 She can be normal,

Speaker 6 normal.

Speaker 5 No, not that she could be normal, but that, you know, people have said since her and Ryan was announced in the beginning of time, right? Like that

Speaker 5 she's rushed into this. She shouldn't have married him.
She's, you know, making these rash decisions.

Speaker 5 And so now she has to prove to not just herself and to Ryan, but to everybody that she's going to make it work, which ultimately she doesn't.

Speaker 6 Backfires.

Speaker 6 So, Ryan goes back to work in this episode. He mentions that this is eight hours a day that he's going to be gone and away from Gypsy.

Speaker 6 Again, I'm looking at it surface level at first. And I'm like, is it like that comment was weird to me, right? So, I'm like, is that concern? Is that control, lack of trust?

Speaker 6 Like, what is going on to make him like say that? That's just like a weird thing. I'm not like, I have to go to work for eight hours today.
That's eight hours. hours I'm not spending with Corey.

Speaker 6 Like, that's just odd.

Speaker 5 I think it's

Speaker 5 that to me came off as like an insecurity, right? Because he is not sure if he leaves Gypsy alone, you know, is she going to be left to her own devices? And you know what I mean?

Speaker 5 That to me screams like insecurity. There was a time where I was dating Chris, and I would not want to leave town because I knew that if I left town, that meant that he would be with other women.

Speaker 5 And so I feel like it's one of those situations where Ryan, whether subconsciously or consciously, knows, okay, I'm going to be gone.

Speaker 5 I won't be able to entertain Gypsy and keep her occupied and keep her mind here.

Speaker 5 She will have eight hours of free time to do whatever she wants, talk to whoever she wants. And I think it's more about that.

Speaker 6 So he followed that up with Gypsy not going anywhere today.

Speaker 6 And that felt very parent-to-child again, kind of like the same conversation about the dog. And I was like, I'm not mad at him for it.
I feel like I understand it a little bit better now.

Speaker 6 And her response to what he said felt very child.

Speaker 5 Yes.

Speaker 6 Yes. You know, like I pictured you saying that to one of your kids,

Speaker 6 like at home, like, okay, like, I'm leaving. You're not going anywhere.
Lock the doors, blah, blah, blah. And your kids be like, oh my God, I know.
Like, that's. Does she not drive?

Speaker 5 Is she not allowed to drive?

Speaker 6 That I don't know, but I would assume she doesn't really know how.

Speaker 5 Well, why not? Why not? Why aren't they teaching? Maybe they are going to teach her. Maybe they're

Speaker 6 maybe that's going to be like another storyline in the episode. Um, I was wondering if this was going to happen when he went back to work.
So, for it to be said, I was like, Okay, so I'm tracking.

Speaker 6 She said that she was feeling constricted at home

Speaker 6 because

Speaker 6 she was constricted at home with Dee Dee, obviously, constricted in jail, prison, whatever.

Speaker 6 So, I just was like,

Speaker 6 there's got to be something she can do that's not,

Speaker 6 she's not on house arrest.

Speaker 5 Like, she can't take an Uber somewhere.

Speaker 6 I was just like, what in the hell?

Speaker 5 But also, what is she gonna do?

Speaker 6 Like, you, then you've said that before. Like, what are you gonna do? What is she gonna do? Go out by herself and what?

Speaker 6 So then that's when the whole situation with Christy calling her to like check in, but really, we know it was to spill the tea about Ken.

Speaker 6 Um, she was crying about wanting to honor commitment to her husband. And it was, I literally wrote almost giving that she feels trapped now.
Vibes.

Speaker 5 Well, and that's what it is. That's exactly what it is because I,

Speaker 5 and that's how you know. But, like,

Speaker 5 we all know that Gypsy has rushed into all of this. We all know that, but that's because we've all been there.
We've all experienced it. So we're speaking as outsiders.
She has to make these,

Speaker 5 she has to make these decisions and these choices for her to

Speaker 5 understand. It just sucks that she's doing it at 32 and not doing it in her early 20s, right?

Speaker 5 Like, because you couldn't convince me today to commit to into a new relationship and like start over and like do all that. I would feel suffocated.
I would feel, you know what I mean?

Speaker 5 So, I will say, though, uh, Ryan has every right to be upset with Christy, and I'm also upset with Christy because if you think that what Christy is doing is okay, I we might have to talk outside because even Rod gets on to Christy in the previews about what she's doing.

Speaker 5 And I respect that because she's wrong for that.

Speaker 5 Even if she decided to maintain some level of friendship with Ken,

Speaker 5 she could have kept it to herself and she didn't need to be the messenger between Ken and Gypsy because

Speaker 5 you're essentially planting the seeds for her to cheat. And

Speaker 5 Gypsy telling Ryan about

Speaker 5 Christy calling

Speaker 5 her and like doing that whole thing. I feel like it was respectable.
I think that there are a lot of women who would

Speaker 5 do the same. But I also, again, just going back to like

Speaker 5 human nature and like science and things, I don't think it's necessary. It was not necessary to relay that to Ryan, in my opinion.

Speaker 6 I wonder, like, I tried to think about that. Like, would I tell Corey if something similar were going on?

Speaker 6 I feel like I would feel like I should.

Speaker 5 Yeah, of course. I think that a lot of women feel like they should.

Speaker 6 I don't know if I would.

Speaker 5 In my opinion, it is not necessary. It's also not necessary.
It's just

Speaker 5 the trickle-down effect. It is not necessary for Christy to tell Gypsy that she maintained this relationship with Ken and Ken is saying all these things.

Speaker 5 It is not necessary once Gypsy finds out, do will some people come back and bite back and say, oh, Kale, that's dishonest or Kale, that's disloyal. Yeah, probably.

Speaker 5 But in my opinion, humans are complicated. Feelings are layered, complicated, all of the things.

Speaker 5 And if you can't sort out your own feelings about it, what business do you have telling your partner and getting them upset about it?

Speaker 5 Like, work out your feelings before you decide what you're going to share. Because once you share that and once you break that ice, like once that

Speaker 5 trust, it's gone for a long time for the foreseeable future. So work your feelings out for.
I don't know what this like

Speaker 5 marriage is like loyal. And as long as she is not acting on these feelings and not like going out and cheating on him.
Why does she need to tell him her every thought and every feeling?

Speaker 5 I just don't think that that makes her a bad wife by not telling, I just like, I can't, it feels like a cult, like these marriages who are like telling their partners every fucking thought that goes on in their brain to me is abnormal and unhealthy.

Speaker 5 Like, I don't expect Elijah to come home and tell me about every fucking attractive woman he saw out in public. I don't give a fuck.
You're a human being. You're going to be attracted to other people.

Speaker 5 Don't ask me what I think during the day because I don't need to, you're not my diary. I'm not spilling all my fucking thoughts to you.

Speaker 5 If I feel the need to tell you something, I'll tell you, but I'm not obligated to tell you shit.

Speaker 5 Why? What is it? Society is pressured to do that for couples. You're ruining marriages.

Speaker 6 It's actually funny because have you and Elijah hit the phase yet where you'll be like, check her ass out?

Speaker 5 Um, not really. I mean, Elisha, I don't even know if Elijah like thinks women are, like, I don't know because he doesn't ever tell, like, I don't know what his type is.
I don't fucking know.

Speaker 5 I don't care if it's a type.

Speaker 6 If I see a nice pair of boobs or a nice butt, I'll send that shit to Corey on Instagram.

Speaker 5 100%.

Speaker 5 100%. I just, Elijah is like, I think I would have, I would get a better reaction from him if I sent him fucking tools on Instagram.
Like, look at this fucking wrench.

Speaker 5 And he'd be like, oh, like, he'd get a boner. You know what I mean? Like,

Speaker 5 there's no.

Speaker 6 I watched you getting bricked up over a tool set.

Speaker 5 There's a fucking tent happening over here over this goddamn power drill.

Speaker 5 I just, I don't think that, you know what I mean? I just don't understand this whole, like, we have to tell our spouses everything. Like, you're allowed to be your own fucking human being.

Speaker 5 And it is not, I just can't. It's so upsetting.

Speaker 5 The preview I just wrote that like Rod telling Christy to stay in her fucking lane was for the best. And I agree with that.
I think that Gypsy needs to work out.

Speaker 5 I'll be curious to see how this plays out. I'm really disappointed in Christy, truly.

Speaker 6 The pregnancy scare conversation in the car, very intrigued to see where that goes. Because again, we don't know if what was in the tabloids was accurate or not about her being pregnant.

Speaker 5 Was it Ken's baby or would it have been Ryan's?

Speaker 6 Uh, I have no idea. I have no clue.
And then we finally see Ken.

Speaker 5 But my question about all of like this is where I call bullshit on Ken because if you could not take the heat heat before,

Speaker 6 get out of the kitchen now.

Speaker 5 How can you? No, but like you couldn't take the heat before, so allegedly. So what makes you think a TV show and all these episodes and you being on the show makes it any better?

Speaker 5 Like, why could you not take the heat two years ago and now you can take it all of a sudden? And tenfold.

Speaker 6 Well, it sounds like he broke up with whatever girlfriend prevented prevented him from continuing to date Gypsy in prison, but.

Speaker 5 Or boyfriend.

Speaker 6 We'll find out. Or boyfriend.
Who the fuck knows?

Speaker 6 No idea. So I'm this is, I'm excited for next episode, truthfully.

Speaker 5 I can't wait. I can't fucking wait.
And I think we'll be together. We could watch it together on vacation.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 We will.

Speaker 5 All right. Well, that's all we have for this week's episode of Dissecting Gypsy Rose's show.
We watch on Philo. It airs Mondays on Lifetime.
Like I said, we watch on Philo.

Speaker 5 Thank you, Kristen, for coming on barely fucking famous.

Speaker 6 You're welcome. I will talk to you later.

Speaker 5 See ya.