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Things are going to get weird. It's your fave villain, Kale Lowry.
And you're listening to Barely Famous. welcome to barely fucking famous i have kristen we're recapping gypsy rose life after lockup and i'm speechless episode two i i can't wait to hear your thoughts i have so many left off with trying to figure out where the hell she needed to be and when.

So... to i i can't wait to hear your thoughts i have so many left off with trying to figure out where the hell she needed to be and when so i was confused because i thought she was going to visit her family in louisiana like i thought that her parents and everything were from louisiana so i thought she was going i thought she was in missouri going to louisiana to see everybody and then they told her to leave louisiana to go back to missouri but i guess i had it opposite She was in Missouri going to Louisiana to see everybody, and then they told her to leave Louisiana to go back to Missouri.
But I guess I had it opposite. She was in Missouri.
No. She, when we left off, so she was in prison.
It seemed like she was in Louisiana in prison, I think. I thought.
Maybe? No. That doesn't make sense either.
So I think from what people were saying with all the questions that we had, it seems like we missed some type of, like, multi-part documentary that came out. And they basically said, like, a lot of the things that we were questioning in episode one, we would have had answers to if we watched that.
But, like, I didn't even, I didn't know. So she was, wherever she was in prison, it seemed like the family got an Airbnb to celebrate or something.

That is where she went.

It was not their house, supposedly.

But it was in Louisiana?

The Airbnb, well, Kansas City is in Missouri, correct?

Yes.

Okay, so she traveled. Yeah, so then she must have been in prison in louisiana they got the thing gate got the airbnb in missouri because they were gonna like celebrate or whatever and she wanted to go to the chiefs game and then had to drive back home because she didn't have permission to be there supposedly okay so i had it mixed up i thought that she was visiting louisiana and needed to go back to missouri so i had it all fucked up i also did not hear about that documentary that we evidently missed because when people were commenting i was so confused i thought i had watched pretty much everything of gypsy rose before this all took place so i've been clearly living under a fucking rock um we missed prison confessions is what it was okay now i know for those of you who don't know go watch prison confessions and then come back to us so she's scared she doesn't want to violate parole she wants to listen um to whatever they're telling her because she does not want to get in trouble in any way shape or form and rightfully so right like she was in prison for like eight years she doesn't want to go back and i get that um so when i put it on isaac walked in and he walked he saw like the celebration or whatever and obviously he knows who gypsy rose is right like he was like kind of sort of following her case and he was like oh wow i didn't know we were celebrating people who murdered their moms.
And I was like, take it aback. I didn't expect him to have that.
Like, I don't know that she knows about what she did and her, you know, reasoning for it. And I'm not saying it's okay.
I'm not justifying it. But also, I mean, I have just circumstances surrounding it.
Yeah. But before we even go further, can we talk about the TikTok I sent you?

Oh, my God.

First, let's do it over there.

We're opening the episode.

We're opening the episode with this banger.

What was that?

Because I will be posting my own rendition of this gem. This is the best thing I've ever seen.
I have no idea what it is. I have no idea what it means, but we...
All I know is you are panini pressed. Okay? That's all I know.
Oh, honey, I am so not threatened by you. My man wouldn't touch you with a 10-foot pole.
You're just mad because I have a Chad. And last time I checked, you don't have a man.
So, looks like you're the one that's panini-pressed. Crawl a spade a spade, honey.
Keep making content. Oh, honey, I am...
And I love that whoever did this, whoever put this whoever put this on their account put it on a loop so they would get paid for it so i was like wow that's low-key genius and i'm gonna do that from now on i'm gonna buck the system the way that i first came across this it was on her tiktok story because it came up in my feed when i was like late night scrolling and i was like i gotta send this to Kayle like in the morning or something and then I wake up in the morning and I see that one where someone had taken it and posted it to their account and I'm like but what does it even mean I just kept listening to it and I'm like who is she talking to no because I'm gonna do this audio while making the drink but like what Chad like a Chad is is a Kyle is not a good thing no but like I'm here for the comments so they know wait so these are the comments it says they better stop playing with gypsy y'all she's crazy panini pressed it's crazy all these come All these comebacks she has are so 90s someone said i have a mom i'm gapped calling her manza chad is insane we've made a huge mistake dot dot dot came out of jail the same age that she went in. Someone said this to her probation officer.
I literally cannot see it without laughing because just... Wait.
Clicking the dentures is crazy. Getting...
Getting... Getting dissed by Gypsy Rose is crazy she's serving she's serving that millennial I can't even speak she's serving that millennial lingo I can't even speak she's serving that millennial lingo with the Disney comebacks hard I'm regretting thinking that this girl was you can tell she practiced this multiple times

there was a lot of things like you have to watch the tiktok because like this is the best thing i've ever seen so not threatened by you my man would punch you with a 10-foot pole you're just mad because i have a chad and last time we checked

you don't have a man

so You're just mad because I have a Chad. And last time I checked, you don't have a man.
So, looks like you're the one that's been depressed. Call a spade a spade, honey.
Keep making content. I didn't understand.
I just didn't know what was happening. Comments are the best thing that I've ever seen.
So I just needed to start with that. With the whole situation of the Missouri, Louisiana thing, I said, this is just, it was wild to me because it was made extremely clear in episode one when everyone kept talking to the multiple different parole people, which I thought you only had one parole officer.
So that was a newsflash to me. I didn't know what the hell was going on.
So many various communications. And Louisiana did not have somebody to, like, process her until after the holiday.
So Missouri wanted her out of the fucking state so bad that they were like, we don't care. You just can can't be here yeah that was i mean definitely from what we know it couldn't have been her fault because they're not even in the office until after the third so that's where i was i was extremely confused i was very hopeful at the start of the episode because ryan wasn't really involved at the very beginning.
So I was like, Oh, this is not. He did.
He redeemed himself a little bit for me in this episode. He wasn't really cringed the entire episode.
Oh, for me, he definitely was. So, but I, I made a note of something that Gypsy said in the very, in the very beginning of this episode, where she said the justice system is meant to fail meant to fail like fail people and I thought that was interesting because I know on Copy Combos we talked about Kim Kardashian and Gypsy Rose teaming up for prison reform and I mean I think this episode right here goes to show how flawed it is right because how was she allegedly given this permission to leave and then she leaves and now she's in trouble sort of and has to go back and she has to go back immediately.
But then they don't even have somebody in the office until after New Year's. And so like, really, what is the rush? And so it was almost like, and also, what would that have looked like if she was somebody else? If it wasn't Gypsy Rose, would that person have been in violation of their parole?

You know what I mean?

Like, we don't know what that would look like.

And so I did write that down. And then so Missouri holds control of her or Louisiana holds control of her? basically what they were saying was until i believe what they said final was that missouri

was essentially in charge of her until she was processed in louisiana so that's why i didn't understand why missouri was like get her out of here wouldn't you actually want the person in your state if you're if you have control until the next person takes control of them like maybe they deadlines. Like she can't be in this because she wasn't a resident of Missouri.
Like maybe that kind of situation. And maybe she's like a flight risk between the time that she leaves Missouri to go back to Louisiana.
Well, I will say I was actually shocked that they let her drive. I would have assumed they would have been like flying because you're point A to point B.
She passed through. I mean, you saw the sign she was passing through Arkansas before she even got home.
So that's a whole other state. Well, that's why I'm thinking there was such a rush to get her back to where she needed to be.
Yeah, it was just weird. But I felt that way in episode one that the whole thing was flawed.
I'm like, how can you have someone thinking they have permission to do something? They travel 13 hours away. And now you're telling them, no, get your ass back to this other state right now yeah i mean she's better than i would have been trying to sue everybody for my money back um it felt weird also something that she said before it was like the recap i guess leading into the episode she it must have been prison confessions was probably where it got pulled from she said that she always had difficulty letting go of her ex-fiance ken and i was like oh that answered my question right there as to like who the fuck is ken and when was he so it sounds to me like well first of all before we even get to ken because that wasn't even until the end of the episode um they consummated the marriage either in the hotel or the Airbnb.
Can't be sure. And immediately Mia or Maya, the sister, sits down with Gypsy and has a conversation about like checking to see if she's able to have kids.
Does she want kids right away? Gypsy says no. Gypsy as a mom sounds crazy to me, but I also haven't walked a single step in her shoes.
So can't really say anything there outside of it never crossed my mind even slightly that all of the things that her mom did to her with the surgeries and the meds and the chemo or whatever. I don't know what she did.
I never even thought about her ability to have children. I wrote the same exact thing.
First of all, I was actually, I was a little confused why the sister was having the birth control conversation and not, like, the stepmom. Or, yeah, the stepmom.
I was like, that's interesting, but, like, good for you for being super responsible. I think she's, like, 22, she said.
I was like, oh, like. I don't think it has anything to do with responsibility.
I think it has to do with making the show. You know how filming a show works.
You've done it with me. You've seen me do it.
I don't think that that was something that ever came up. I think that production led the conversation, brought up the idea to talk about this, because without that one scene, there wasn't a whole lot really going on in this episode true um i also wrote i did also write down um when she when her sister brought up the medications um and the procedures may be impacting her ability to get pregnant i never even thought about the lasting effects that she may have from all of that on her body i've only ever really considered like the mental aspect of all that but Like, who the hell if she has physical you know things because of what her mom did to her i just never thought you know if her mom had reproductive body parts removed right i mean we don't know you know does gypsy even know that's also a good question because further in the episode she said she has scars all over her body from like various procedures.

So I don't know if she knows the full extent. So does Gypsy even have like a running document of all of the procedures she's had and allegedly for what they were, you know what I mean? And like, I'm pretty sure her mom was going doctor after doctor after doctor.
So it's possible she is missing parts for that. Well, I also was shocked when she said that she had

was going doctor after doctor after doctor so it's possible she is missing parts for that well i also was shocked when she said that she had two pap smears while in prison

because she was in prison for eight years and a half years i think it was so you only had two

pap smears and to me that speaks a lot to just women's health care in general like we're not

even getting into the side of like prison health care being not great at all but just talking about women's health care like just because you aren't having sex in prison does not mean that something can't be going on and then for her to rely on oh i had two normal pap smears and i have regular periods for her to assume that she has the ability to have children that shows again like how little we actually know like women walking around think that oh we're fine if we have a period and if my pap smears are normal but also to have at minimum she should have had eight pap smears at minimum yeah Yeah. Some people go by by yearly.

Right.

So I was like,

I just wonder what else,

what other type of healthcare was she not receiving?

That's really sad.

That's really fucking sad. yeah i just was floored because when that conversation came up i was like oh what the fuck i never even thought about it so when they are traveling back from missouri to louisiana and the paparazzi starts following them through the fast food lines.
I did. I, at first I was like, why is Ryan telling her not to eat while the paparazzi is following them? And then I thought I've been through like humiliating paparazzi pictures.
Like I've been through that. And so I think it wasn't so much him being rude as it was looking at him looking out for her.
So I'm going to let that one slide only because i've already been through it um imagine getting out of prison and literally within 48 hours like someone's watching you shove food down your your throat you know what i mean i had a different take because and i think it also was just the lead into the situation so he gets into the drive-thru and the lady's telling him the rule and he's being rude he's's like, oh, I'm not doing that. I can't do that or whatever.
Like, they're taking our picture right there. You're giving them a close-up of us.
And then he says, this is Gypsy Rose Blanchard. Like, why do you need to point that out to the fast food worker? Like, that feels weird to me for what purpose? So I said, please shut the fuck up and stop talking.
You're clearly an attention whore. You're giving me the me the ick and then the don't eat in front of him i could have understood that if it was like a burger she was eating french fries true that's true like it wasn't like she was like like mid mid right yeah i could see that also i was just like back to the eating eating fast food in a car is probably not like having a camera in your face while you're sitting down at a table you know what i mean so like they're probably not going to get the best pictures anyway so yeah i get that but i will say that once they start talking about ken i think without even knowing ken he's worse than ryan ryan is cringy as hell right like he's cringe.
We know he likes the attention. He probably isn't in this for the right reasons, but Ken thought it was fun and wanted some sort of attention for being with Gypsy while she was in prison and then broke up with her for what reason.
We don't know. And then here he comes coming back, texting the step-mom, that person why what are your intentions why did you break up here i wanted to ask you about that i wanted to get your take on how you felt hearing that he texted the stepmom that because part of me at that point was like trying to humanize with ryan on that level and i'm like i don't know how i would feel if i heard that that situation was going on and like i was in his shoes so like part of me was like oh it was nice that he checked in and like still kept his like didn't say anything to gypsy herself but then the other part was like what are the intentions and then what was the intention of christy telling gypsy that he texted well he probably not ryan um ken probably didn't have a way because she had just gotten out within 48 hours so how would gypsy have gotten ken's number for him to reach out to her directly and then second to that i don't really love that the stepmom told her because what was if she's like I don't know though

so like if you're married right and you are really close with your mom if your ex reached out to your mom to check on you would you want to know I don't think so like I just if I was already married at that time, I wouldn't, I don't care. If I was in that situation, I, if I was in Ryan's situation, I would be devastated because what is going on that you felt the need to tell Gypsy and it would make me feel some kind of way.
Like if, if Elijah's ex-wife reached out to Elijah's mom and then Elijah's mom felt the need to tell Elijah, it would make me upset because it's like, okay, I understand that you, that you're his mom, but also if he's in a happy situation, if he's in a happy relationship, why would you feel that that's necessary to tell him yeah i just like didn't know

how i felt about it but then i also was thinking about it from the family's side and i just to me

that right there reinforced that at least christy does not respect that marriage that's how i felt

i was like the fact that she told her then you you have doubts or you feel a certain type of way

whether consciously or subconsciously that's how i felt i was like okay because i already get the

Thank you. then you you have doubts or you feel a certain type of way whether consciously or subconsciously that's how I felt I was like okay because I already get the vibe that the family does not fuck with him I got that vibe in episode one and just the way they were interacting around each other it was very like that kitchen scene where the dad is like cooking and Ryan's just like standing there it's like that would never happen with cory and like my mom that would never happen with me at cory's parents house gypsy kind of touches on that at the end of the episode where she's talking about how her dad is skeptical of ryan and they feel like she rushed the marriage too soon so and I think that's kind of what we all thought.
So that makes sense. I mean, and I do wonder now, now that she's with Ken, how do we feel about, how does the family feel about Ryan? I, right.
I'm interested in that. I also, did you catch the comment he made when she was wearing the necklace in the car? And he said, I wish that my on it when she was like oh like doesn't it look so good and he was like i wish that my name was on it and i'm like it's not all about you dude i must have missed that comment because i would have wrote that down for sure he's freaking weird and then i did see the whole stuff about the dad being skeptical um i i said i guessed that and could tell already without that being said I felt like that was pretty clear in episode one and then Ryan going in about like oh I got her to myself and like but like I'm gonna let her family have their time but like that's my time and it was just very possessive and very weird I didn't like when he said nobody knows her as well as me.
You've known her for two minutes, right? And even though her dad wasn't really around, her dad still was around. And also your relationship with your wife needs to be very different than a relationship with her parents.
Like that's, they're not the same. You can't, that's like me saying, Oh, I know Elijah.
Nobody knows Elijah. Like I do know his parents raised him for 25 fucking years.
They know him in a completely different way than I do. You know what I mean? So it's just, you can't, one is not like the other.
You don't know him the same way I know him, just like I don't know him the same way his parents know him. They're not comparable.
So that bothered me. It also showed her age when she was pulling out all the lingerie and was talking about how she thought she was going to wear something like this for her first time.
I would like to take a poll right here, right now to find out who wore lingerie for their first time having sex. Because to me, that just showed her level of maturity and also just not reality.
I think it's so funny you say that because I was thinking the same thing because I'm like, you have this vision, I think, in your head of how romantic it'll be and blah, blah, blah. And it's, I mean, I don't know.
I can only speak to my own experience. I lost my virginity on a futon watching a TV show because I didn't want to be having sex.
So, um, with the door wide open, with my head hanging down, watching to see if his parents were watching. It was very awkward.
And, like, 10 out of 10 don't recommend. So I would I would love to know like did anyone actually get that romantic experience that we all thought we would get because neither one of us I was outside and he took his shirt off and we laid on a shirt on the cold concrete ground that was nice that he put his shirt down for you you know know what? He was a gentleman.
So shout out to John. I thought that was weird.
I also got weirded out about her saying that Ryan bought lingerie for her when they first started, like when she was talking about the bow one, when they first started dating. Why are you doing that when you know she's locked up for a very long time? And like, why are you doing that? that like you can't tell me that you're not having some type of weird ass sexual fantasy about banging someone who's in prison I don't know it just again plays into blow-up doll I don't fucking know but like why he I don't know it was just weird and he does, honestly, everything on my body cringes.

I'm like, ew. I still cringe, but he sort of redeemed himself from at least episode one.
Because I didn't get as many cringey vibes in this one. Gypsy shocked me.
My jaw was on the floor when Gypsy said that she experimented with women in prison. Again, one of those things that like should be common sense, but just didn't cross my mind.
That never crossed my mind that she was hooking up with women or experimenting with women or making out with women. That never crossed my mind.
But I understand that that is something that people talk about with prison, right? And you can have sex with women in prison, but it's frowned upon to masturbate in prison well it sounds like you're not supposed to do any of the above at all but i didn't know that the masturbation part was actually real i thought people were like joking when they said you can't masturbate in prison oh no i i knew that that was like a real thing but like for, for, I guess, like, why? I don't understand. Also, I feel like there's more of a stigma with women doing it than men, right? Like, for men, I don't think they would think twice if they walked in on a man doing it.
But if they walk in on a woman, it's like you got caught with your pants down, literally and figuratively. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah.
I don't, I just thought that was really,

I really didn't think that that was real. So that was really interesting to me.
I did think that it was, so she was experimenting with women in prison, but then was dating outside of prison at the same time, do we think, or do we think it was happening at different times? My guess is that, and I'm only speaking from experience, I can't speak for everyone, but I think a lot of times it happens simultaneously. I think that not all inmates are actually faithful because it's survival.
You're in survival mode. So if you have a good situation in prison, you're going to keep that going as long as possible.
And if you have people on the outside that are putting money on your books that are calling you that are checking on you that are kind of keeping you pushing through to the next day, I think it's those things are happening at the same time. so they serve essentially people serve different purposes like the ones in prison with you are probably fulfilling needs like physical i would assume like physical needs like in-person needs that the other people can't fulfill okay that's that's my what i think is going on that i feel like that does make sense to me i also just wonder like how does she know to definitely be with a man then? Well, she said she questioned her sexuality.
So I think it's possible that right now she just likes the attention and the freedom and she's kind of out and freer than she felt in prison. So we don't know.
We don't know what's to come. It's possible that she could end up with another woman outside of prison later on.
This is also true. So the the whole scene of the new year's eve eve party new year's that was occurring in the apartment i coming from someone who hates creatives um i just wanted to know your thoughts on that because i was like what in the fuck is happening so we're gonna I hate creatives anyone that is listening to this episode if you are a photographer and you are having people go out on couches in the middle of cornfields stop doing that if you are having people get naked in a barn stop doing that okay we are let's do creatives that make sense for human photography.

Okay.

Just to preface the conversation with that.

The whole creative was, what was that?

I didn't realize because the whole time I'm like, this can't be like an actual New Year's Eve situation. Like this can't be it.
Also, like, I didn't know what I thought they were going out somewhere when she started putting the dress on and stuff. And she's like, this is what I'm going to wear.
And she's getting her makeup done. And I'm like, oh, like, I wonder where they're going to go.
Right. I'm like, that's what I'm thinking.
And she walks out into her living room and that's where she was going. And I was like, oh, okay, I just didn't know what was occurring.
Maybe, maybe there. Okay.
Well, for one, we know that production also probably wasn't working for New Year's Eve, like actual New Year's Eve. So that was part of it, right? The second part of it was maybe she has curfew,

so she can't go physically out of the house past a certain time. So those two things at play could be what it is.
Because if I remember correctly, there was a scene on Teen Mom where Jordan and I celebrate Christmas, and that was not actually Christmas. okay fair like new recreations so and then I know another friend of mine did a show for New Year's and that also was not New Year's okay so I think it was one of those situations where it's like they wanted to have it in the show but they weren't actually able to celebrate on the actual day.
So they just made whatever work. But I mean, for that, just actually go somewhere and just be home by 10 or nine or whatever.
You know what I mean? Like it would have been dark out. So nobody would have

known to go wear those types of heels and that dress in your living room is crazy. I just was like what what is going on I will say that I definitely felt a more human connection to her when she was like saying how she never thought that she would be able to look this pretty.
Her mom never let her, you know, feel pretty, look pretty, all those things. Didn't let her have long hair.
Basically talking about how she's like self-conscious and all those things. Like, obviously, we're all human.
We go through very similar, if not the same, struggles. So that did bring her to a little bit more of like a, I don like a i don't know i felt like i had more in

common right i'm like oh like even she thinks about these things like two days after getting home from prison is what it was depicting in the show and you're thinking about that so i was like okay like i can i can relate on that level i thought that was really interesting um when she came out in the dress her dad looked so happy ryan was creeping me out why did he do i don't know if he lived under a rock his whole life or like what was going on like why he was acting that way do you not realize there's a camera crew in your face you need to get it together what was coming off really pervy i don't have a better word than that it was just giving like her dad's like oh my god you're so beautiful like blah blah blah like so like so dad like right like so happy and whatever and then you have this like leering lurking creature like behind I was like what is like the awkward feeling and she he looks like he wants to devour her. And, like, her dad is standing literally right there.
Like, you can say things. Like, you can say, like, oh, you're so pretty.
You look so gorgeous. Whatever.
But, like, doesn't really. He's just like, oh, my God, that's my wife right there.
Like, okay. But it was just, I don't know.
I was cringing. I didn't love it.
I didn't love that entire scene um I will say though when she brought up to Christy the situation about her mom telling her that her dad said that she was the r-word I wrote I wrote that down I said the wheelchair races as a kid and the mom allegedly told only because we don't know right like gypsy um this is this is for the jolly ranchers um i'm gonna make the drink for elijah um dd is not here to defend herself and so that's why i say allegedly um we don't know if that actually occurred and if it did that's really fucking sad i don't think that that happened it doesn't seem to me that gypsy's dad even when gypsy had all of the alleged issues that she had it doesn't seem like he was that kind of person so he might have been absent because dd made it incredibly hard for him to be present.

But I just can't picture him.

The situation really, really, really reminds me of my own parents and my sister.

Because, I mean, I got really shitty stories about my dad.

And I believe most of them to be true. But, like, in terms of him physically hurting me was never a story I was ever told.

My sister, on the other hand, was told stories that my father hurt her as a child. And just knowing what I know, I mean, everyone in my life, like on my mom's side, has confirmed what my mom told me.
I don't think he was ever violent. So I do think that it's possible that Gypsy's mom was making things up.
Oh, 1000 the dad just doesn't strike me as that type of person right and we already the way uh dd has been depicted this entire time is thinking of gypsy in that way right so in every other documentary and stuff that we've watched like that is how it was depicted but i wanted basically what i was getting at with that one was i wanted to know i it kind of answered some a little part of your question of like where has this family been we've never heard of them like it seems like they were at least they were coming to things right like these wheelchair races happened when she was younger so we just didn't hear about that side it sounds like and until they they're exploring it now, as far as the fact that they were not, like, 100% not communicating.

My guess is that Dee Dee probably did it when it was convenient for her.

Or I know that it's been said that he has always paid, like, child support and stuff.

So it's possible that, like, if she needed more money or something like that, maybe that was like used as a bribe is what I got from it. Yeah.
They're the scenes where gypsy is cooking and she's like, she doesn't know how to cook. And the, before she even said it before on this show that it was even ever said, I wrote down, she doesn't know how to cook because same, but also she's never been alone except for prison and even in prison it wasn't necessarily that she was alone because she had other people to learn from but I just never thought about that either until this episode like this episode where she was talking about not knowing how to cook was the first time that I realized that she just existed.
And like, even my kids right now, I mean, they don't know how to throw down completely, but like, they can make survival meals. I don't think that Gypsy even knew how to do that before prison because she was in a wheelchair.
Yeah, and her mom basically convinced her she couldn't do anything. So I thought the same thing.
I was also laughing about the some of the decor in the apartment with all the gypsy and ryan shit I was like all right like how many times how many things I saw a pillow I saw a neon sign that was like trying to give someone some type of like attack why do we need so many things that say r and Gypsy? I didn't love that.

It was also very childish.

Everything just, even the Cat Wars thing was just very childish to me. And I just, I don't know.

The whole thing, I was just like, what is, is he also like mature, stunted mature wise?

Like, I don't know what's going on here. So I don't know if you saw some of the comments after we recapped the first episode, but people commented and said that he is a teacher.
He was a special education teacher that actually lost his job when they found out that he was dating Gypsy or engaged to Gypsy or something like that. I don't know if I would, I don't think that I would want him to be my child's teacher.
I would agree with that. As a mom, I, he feels like someone who, and I hate to say this, right? Because like, I'm very defensive about my relationship on TV and I come off cold, right? Because it's embarrassing to me to show affection.
So maybe for him, he's acting like this because of like some insecurities, like maybe what I have, but in a different way. But it comes off as immature.
And if his maturity was stunted or emotionally stunted or anything like that, and he is having the mindset of someone younger, then that leads me to believe that he would maybe potentially be attracted to like younger or emotionally younger people. So that kind of scares me.
I don't know how old he is, but Gypsy is what? How old is Gypsy? Oh, God. god she's gotta be eliza's eliza i think gypsy

is elijah's age because i think that she was born in the 90s hold on let me look it up

probably somewhere somewhere between elijah and us i would guess she's not younger than elijah

oh she's 32 oh yeah okay so she's older than me i mean you could definitely tell the stunted ryan is 36 okay but like coming from the maturity level of Gypsy,

that's a huge difference.

Gypsy

is not...

Gypsy mentally

is not 32. No.

No.

Ryan is not

mentally 36.

So...

But I still don't think they're matching. Like I don't think

it... I don't think that part

Thank you. Ryan is not mentally 36.
So. But I still don't think they're matching.
Like I don't think it. I don't think that part is matching up.
And it was actually. Really interesting.
The whole. I wrote down.
Mansplaining a fucking dog. Question mark.
Oh see that didn't bother me. Too much.
I wasn't super bothered by that I didn't even write down other than writing down like do we think a puppy is a good idea I really didn't get I think he was more so just thinking about the fact of like is she because she's never been alone yes the company would be nice but is she willing to go outside by herself to be able to take the dog for walks and stuff like is that something that's one smart or two um like is she actually going to do it because we have to remind ourselves that she's never had she's never had a responsibility like that so i do think that those questions are valid right and if we know that she's emotionally immature like her maturity is stunted those are questions that you would ask a child or a young adult like i mean isaac's about he's 14 and i would be like are you sure you're going to do those things you know what i mean so i don't think that those were completely off the the reason i wrote it down was why would you marry someone that you had to do that too because then you're placing yourself in a parent you already know why well right but it was just yet another questioning of like what are your intentions in this because you and i have conversations all the time about different relationships and whatever the situations are and it's like there are times when i'm like i don't want to feel like your mom to cory right like i'm not here to parent you i think anybody you know of my friend group, every single one of my friends has been there with their men, right? And I'm like, I don't want to have to play a dual role here. Like, I signed up for a marriage, not raising a child.
So it happens. So it could have happened even if she wasn't emotionally, you know know what i mean right so it was just like interesting but like to also see how it looked like the conversation was fine and then all of a sudden she was like not fine i don't know why she got so mad about that and i do think that that was her getting mad and like storming off felt very manipulative to me childlike is what what I was thinking.
Like a temper tantrum. Yeah.
And I didn't feel like it was warranted in that situation. I think that I don't think that he was calling her dumb.
I don't think that he was calling her an idiot. I don't think he would.
I think those were valid questions that he was asking. I mean, I do feel like it was more like a parent.
But at the end of the day, you have to consider the circumstances. So I don't think that it was completely far off or you know like a far-fetched conversation i do think that she could benefit from a dog but also living in an apartment with a dog is tough like i mean there's no other way to put it and i think that's more so what he was getting at um i did write down that ryan was normal this week he was more than last week, and he redeemed himself a little bit for me here.

I feel bad when I watch interviews.

Well, not that I've sat down and, like, watched countless interviews, but he seems normal enough in the interviews, so it's really weird.

And I don't know if he's just, it's the nature of filming a reality show that is throwing me off with the, with Ryan and the cringiness. Because I do think some of that stuff needs to be like, like, why do you have to be such a perv? You know what I mean? Like you're being cringe.
But I think overall, I don't know if he's that cringe in person, like in real life, because the interview that I watched, he seemed pretty normal. And then I started to feel bad.
So I'm like I'm like I don't know like I just don't know about him and like I said like filming certain aspects of a relationship can be really awkward so I don't know I want to give them the benefit of the doubt here on this episode but like so it can be awkward like you're saying right but they're in my opinion looking at it from this side there's things that if I felt awkward I just straight up wouldn't talk about which one my number one would be like we're not talking about our sex life like on fucking camera we're just not yeah like look at what happened to me with teen mom when I started to do that because of how I looked then I looked even more like a dick so there was no way there was no win on either side where I talked about it and I was doing the things I hated the way it came out and I felt so awkward and stupid doing it right and like filming it and then when I started to refuse to film certain things I looked like I was fighting with producers which actually wasn't the case you know what I mean so like I feel like if they and and with something like this a show that gypsy rose is filming after coming out of prison and her celebrity and all of this stuff there's no room for him to not film about it you know what i mean i guess it just doesn't come across that he feels awkward in the sexual side and i think that's what's making him come across as like a perv. You mean like he's not aware that it's coming off as awkward? Like, I think that he, I don't, I can't tell if it's a situation where he feels awkward and that's why it's coming across the way that it's coming across.
Or if that's just how he is. And it's like, he's being set, like, I don't, I don't feel like he's being censored in any type of way right like I don't feel like he is I don't think he's media trained put it that way I don't think that he went through any type of fucking media training before they signed on for this show to be like okay like here's how to sort of like navigate around certain circumstances it feels very raw I think Lifetime's doing a great job of getting like the real raw moments.
I didn't feel like anything was quote unquote staged except for the whole living room situation. I was like, okay, this clearly is not.
The whole thing felt staged to me. The entire, the, the whole show itself feels staged to me.
Really? Yeah. The entire thing.
Down to like, do you think that the... Down to the every conversation.
Okay. And because it takes one to know one.
And in order for someone... I had no media training either.
They threw me in and acted like I'm supposed to know what the fuck I'm doing. I think that's the only way to do it in this situation.

I don't think that it would have helped or benefited anyone if he had any sort of media

training.

I also think the same for her, but I think she had more media training because she was

getting interviewed in prison by all kinds of networks.

And so she kind of knows what she's doing.

But I think even every single conversation they've had is prompted.

Okay.

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So far, what reality TV shows that have i done i did teen mom 16 and pregnant teen mom um the reunions i would consider those to be like a different sort of show than filming teen mom i did dating show oh god the i forget about that. That dating show.
And then I did Marriage Pro Camp. So that's four different filming settings and four different formats of shows.
Like the reunions themselves are different than... Yeah.
You know what I mean? Every single conversation is prompted unless the cameras are there while something crazy is happening. Right.
So like, for example, any time there was a sit down meal, if we were out to eat or we were at home was prompted. Anything sitting on the couch was prompted.
The only time it wasn't prompted was like when Javi came home from deployment. And this is the first thing that that's coming to mind.
And you know, I'm like, I have to go to Starbucks, like I have shit to do, you know what I mean? Stuff like that. Like, they couldn't have prompted that I was just like, why are you here? You showed up out of nowhere kind of thing.
Are you lingering? I'm trying to think of like another scenario when I was in California with Sterling and Javi's blowing up my phone about and calling me a bad mom and doing whatever not prompted right right where has there been a situation where gypsy and ryan haven't filmed together yet where they're not together that's true but like do you think that down to her whole you have to go back to the state was prompted like was how the phone conversations i don't think were prompted at all okay because i think they were present for those so that one those make sense but when there's not because it's happening it's like why are we now talking about this all of a sudden like how do we get from point eight like the conversation about kids right why why was that needed to have why didn't you know what i? Like there's they need certain things for the show. So I do feel like, but I'm glad for you it doesn't feel that way because that means that they're doing a good job creating the show, producing the show, right? Yeah, I mean, genuinely, it doesn't feel that way.

And I also was paying attention to, like, what's in the previews for next episode, right?

And you know how for your situation, just because you film things in a certain order does not mean that's how they're going to air right so did you catch where he's like I just want to start a family with you so part of me was like did the conversation about the birth control like what was happening behind the scenes or was he said the thing about the kids thing that's airing next and this conversation was kind of like um a pickup or something i think where remind me where he said where were they when they said that in the preview i think they were in a car i think that that happened first. And they had to plant this conversation.
So as soon as that happened, because they were filming, I think that's why they had the sister talk to Gypsy about this really quick. And maybe Gypsy didn't even realize why they had that conversation like that.
You know what I mean? Because Gypsy doesn't know what it, what goes, I mean, now she knows, but she didn't know prior to this, what goes into making a full reality show with multiple episodes, that driving conversation, what were they wearing? Do you remember? Oh God, no, I didn't pay attention. I don't pay attention like that.
I guarantee you because that's happened to me where something happened. They have gone as far as recreating texts and having sit down conversations revolving around something that happened two, three, four months prior because something happened.
They were like, oh, we can create a story arc around this. So if you notice, every episode has, I think it's like something's about to happen, something happens, and then the aftermath, right? So like in the first episode, it was like Gypsy gets out of jail, Gypsy goes home.
Now there's this like huge blow up, right? Like about where she's supposed to be. Was this a violation of parole? Episode two starts with the whole blow up, the aftermath of it.
The next thing is getting home. What happens there? They have the conversation of like moving into the apartment, getting a dog and then the New Year's Eve thing.
So like every, so far we've seen at least three things happen. So there's like a story arc.
So if that's next, that makes sense for them to have had that conversation. So we knew where Gypsy stood.
Does that make sense? That 1000%. And I also also kept thinking back to and i never really looked further into it but did you see all of like the allegations rumors going around that she was pregnant at one point with ryan like in real life so i was like oh shit are we about to see if that actually happened in this show and this is leading up to that so i keep thinking about shit that's come out in real life as i'm watching this i'm like oh wait like i wonder you know what i mean because that scene right there i wrote down it definitely left me feeling like ryan might be pressing her for a baby and she just made it clear that she really doesn't want kids right now would it be sad if it happened but not ideal so for this to be the next episode and he's like I just really want to start a family with you or I just really want to have a family with you it's like wait a second y'all are not on the same page then I just think that would probably be the worst thing that happens to Gypsy right now.
I don't think that he, like, I have realized in my life journey, as well as my parenting journey, that people will tell you until they're blue in the face, don't have kids until you're ready, or you need to heal before you have kids. And while I agree that there are there is some healing that needs to be done before you have children.
Some healing does not it cannot happen until kids are born because you are not you have not awoken that part of you inside to realize that certain parts of you still need healing and then there's work to be done. So unfortunately for children, and I think this will happen until the end of time, this is not something that we're just going to fix.
And like, you know, every generation is going to get better and better at this. There are parts of you that will not come to light and you will not know need healing until there are children.
So, but that being said, Gypsy has not even done the amount of work that she needed to do gypsy has not done even eight years worth of work outside of prison right like you can only do so much healing while you're there so the next step you need to heal while you're out and the crime that she committed that she was a part of i think goes far beyond what we can even comprehend ourselves right so having children obviously I have nobody to tell them who who should and shouldn't have kids but I just feel like that detrimental that would not be a good idea no that's exactly how I felt so I'm really interested to I they're doing a good job of keeping me wanting to watch I haven't gotten to the point yet you, you know, where I'm like, ugh, like, I don't want to watch next week yet. Because I know some things can just get stale, right? But I am intrigued because I just want to find out, like, I want to find out Ryan's ulterior motive.
I still question the family because I just feel like now Gypsy Rose got all this crazy media support, right? Like everyone's supporting Gypsy. Do I think that her parents, like her stepmom and her dad and her sister would have forgiven her without the media, like the attention of the media? Yeah, I do.
But would they be at like this involved if the media and the public, the general public weren't as much on her side? I don't know. I think that their involvement in the show is sketchy.
I get I know that it was like necessary for this show to be to move forward. I feel it would be the same thing for me.
Right Like, missing people from my family to film a show would change the entire dynamic. So everyone has to be on board or it can't truly happen.
So like, I get that too. But I just feel like they would want to work through certain things in private and work on building their relationship in private before immediately jumping.
Like, I don't know. It just, there had to be a mass, a massive amount of money involved because like, I just can't, I just, my family in Texas was like, no, we don't want to be a part of the show.
Like, we don't. Like, they just were interested in actually having a genuine, building a relationship with me.
So I wanted to ask you, judging from the conversation that just that, right, that took place in the bathroom while Gypsy was getting her makeup done by Christy. And the way she was so quick to be like, no, your mom used to do the X, Y, and Z, y and z right like we know that that's fairly normal i'm wondering if they weren't even upset in the slightest about dd being killed and gypsy having a role in it so then therefore there would be no forgiveness needed if they didn't care like we went off of the like i went off of the assumption that like oh people would like if i killed somebody my family would be fucking upset i don't think they were ever upset about that necessarily i don't think so i don't think that that was ever at play for i truly don't i just don't think something that was ever at play so i don't maybe even need to like forgive but to rebuild the relationship because if you remember gypsy was under the impression that like her dad was calling her the r-word and her dad was not around and her dad you know whatever the case was they he was laughing at her things like that those are the things that were known by gypsy right so i'm skeptical that everyone just jumped right into being a part of the show.
When I, when my aunt reached out to me on Facebook, she had said she finally found me. I told her I was in the process of filming the show and she didn't want any parts.
Right. She didn't want any fucking parts.
She was like, that's not what I'm here for. Like she didn't even know.
And then she wanted to know, like to me, that's more so where, you know what I mean? Yeah. I can definitely see where you're coming from.
I just don't get the same feeling that you get. So I'm intrigued to see, like, what.
I'm just skeptical. I think that.
I think, I mean, I think there's a good reason to be skeptical of anybody that's involved right now. Yeah.

Truthfully. How can we have those same feelings about their motives, about a boyfriend's motives, or Ryan and Ken's motives, but we're not more skeptical of the family? I'm not saying that they're not good people.
I'm just saying the part of- Yeah, you're just skeptical of why they're suddenly as involved as they are kind of thing. Well, because why was the first thing that you thought of when you found out that your daughter did this, right? Like stepdaughter, daughter, whatever.
You didn't think that maybe you shouldn't participate and you should advocate for her mental health? Or are you pushing? Like, I don't know. It just feels weird.
It just feels weird.

Well, I also wonder how long this show's actually been in the works and been having discussions.

Because, like, maybe initially they weren't going to be part of it.

Maybe.

Like, everyone's known when she was getting out of prison for a long time.

So, like, I just wonder, like, when did the conversations about the show even start and who would be participating but it doesn't to me that's irrelevant right which i can see your point because you've already gone through this where you were just like you said like you have your own family that you went to and said like do you want to do this and they were like no so i think you can see it from that perspective where nothing yet is I'm this episode specifically did confuse me a little bit right because I was like okay so the dad and the stepmom were at this wheelchair games whatever whenever gypsy was doing them and then the sister was like you have a sister now to to talk about these or whatever. She said something to that regard.

And I'm like, so then where have you been? So that was the first time with anybody. I was like, okay, for her specifically, I'm like, all right, you have a sister now? Like, were you not corresponding while she was in prison? Like, you were waiting for her to get out? What was the case? And then she also said something to the regard of, I've been daddy's little girl for 22 years um like i'm glad that she'll kind of get to experience that now I'm ready for her to experience that and blah blah blah and I'm like okay so what is the what was the relationship like I think I would have loved for them to and maybe they will it's only episode two maybe they I don't know how episodes are in this, but maybe they will dive into what the relationship was with the family and her.
And right now it's just so focused on the fact that she's married and it's more so like her and Ryan with family like feeling secondary. I don't know.
We'll find out. We're going to find out.
I need to get them. I need to do a deep dive.
I want to interview like an extensive interview with each person individually because this needs like a Daisy Jones and the Six type of book written where you're interviewing every single member individually with no other person around. And they literally preface the entire book saying that everybody has a different perspective.
So some of these things are, will be perceived differently. And then they tell the story from like an exact same situation from different perspectives and some of them align and some of them don't.
And so that's what makes it really interesting, right? Because the same thing happened to multiple people. So I would be very interested to see like, because that was the first time I had heard that the stepmom was in attendance at something with the dad.
So I had only known that

the dad was there present for some things that he was allowed to go to. I never even knew there was

a stepmom involved. I would love for the missing pieces for like the family participation to come together a little bit more.
and less on her because it seems like you know if we're going to go with like what the a storyline is it feels like her relationship so it feels like it's going to go from ryan to ken yeah we shall see you know what i mean i would love to see the family side but i will say my last thought on this um when she said to ryan look she gave him when he was like hovering and she said you're hovering that she's everyone everyone with a significant other that was human that was that was um when she said but you know what he took it pretty well and she when he backed up and she was like thank you I feel like a lot of situations like that don't end that easily no it's always like what's your problem what's your problem i wasn't hovering like it just becomes like oh maybe that's what they were actually maybe that's why they actually fought and it wasn't actually about the dog oh maybe like maybe she was just like i need space kind of thing because he is always like touching her and up in her shit I'm also wondering when she's going to get her own phone because she keeps using his. She has her own phone.
In the show? Yeah, the whole episode she had her own phone with a pink phone case. And they were on their phones at the same time.
Am I dumb? Yes. Why is she always on hers? Or on his? Sorry.
I don't know. They were sitting on the couch looking at dogs on their own phones and hers has like a glittery pink situation.
You know what? You know what? Now that you're saying that, it's jogging my memory. I think I was more so thinking about when she was like, why is the parole officer calling his phone? Well, because they wouldn't have had a number for her because she didn't have a phone while she was in prison right but like update your phone number i mean but we for all we know she she did and they're still calling because you know how often that happens like you know or like why are they calling him to update your phone number to update your phone number on all things that are like you know what i mean so like maybe she updated it for like louisiana parole but not missouri or like you know what i mean yeah you're right she was looking yeah now now you're you're correct it just was like i need to know if they get a dog too maybe they'll get goats no that's just you well speaking of goats when we get off this recording i'm gonna go take care of my babies your kids like when we get off this recording, I'm going to go take care of my babies.
Your kids.

When we get off this recording, I'm going to take care of my kids.

Panini pressed.

Oh, my God.

Don't be panini pressed.

Don't be panini pressed.

Your man's a Chad.

Or my man's a Chad.

I don't know.

I'm going to go take care of my Chad and make him a prisoner.

Please let me know his thoughts.

And a panini. And a panini.
Pressed. Pressed.
All right, y'all. Well, we'll follow back up with episode three.
Kristen and I are going to tackle that episode next week. So we, again, just to remind everybody, we're watching on Philo.
I'm not sure where else it's available, but we watch on Monday nights. And you can check up there on the app or I guess you can watch that on TV too, right?

Yeah. Lifetime.

Lifetime. Gypsy Rose.
Life After Lockup.

Bye.