Life After Lock Up - Independence is Scary

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Speaker 5 Welcome to the shit show.

Speaker 6 Things are going to get weird.

Speaker 5 It's your fae villain, Kale Lou.

Speaker 5 And you're listening to Barely Famous.

Speaker 5 Welcome to Barely Fucking Famous. I have Kristen.
We're recapping Gypsy Rose's life after lockup, and

Speaker 5 I'm speechless.

Speaker 6 Episode two.

Speaker 6 I can't wait to hear your thoughts. I have so many.
It left off with trying to figure out where the hell she needed to be and when.

Speaker 5 So I was confused because I thought she was going to visit her family in Louisiana. Like I thought that her parents and everything were from Louisiana.
So I thought she was going.

Speaker 5 I thought she was in Missouri, going to Louisiana to see everybody. And then they told her to leave Louisiana to go back to Missouri.
But I guess I had it opposite. She was

Speaker 5 Missouri. No,

Speaker 6 she, when we left off, so she was in prison. It seemed like

Speaker 6 she was in Louisiana in prison. I think.
I thought, maybe,

Speaker 6 no, that doesn't make sense either. So, I think from what people were saying with all the questions that we had, it seems like we missed some type of like multi-part documentary that came out.

Speaker 6 And they basically said, like, a lot of the things that we were questioning in episode one, we would have had answers to if we we watched that, but like, I didn't even, I didn't know.

Speaker 5 Um,

Speaker 6 so she was wherever she was in prison, it seemed like the family got an Airbnb to celebrate or something. That is where she went.
It was not their house, supposedly.

Speaker 5 But it was in Louisiana,

Speaker 6 the Airbnb. Well, Kansas City is in Missouri, correct?

Speaker 5 Yes.

Speaker 6 Okay, so she traveled. Yeah, so then she must have been in prison in Louisiana.

Speaker 6 They got the thing, got the Airbnb in Missouri because they were going to like celebrate or whatever and she wanted to go to the Chiefs game

Speaker 6 and then had to drive back home because she didn't have permission to be there.

Speaker 6 Supposedly.

Speaker 5 Okay. So I had it mixed up.
I thought that she was

Speaker 5 visiting

Speaker 5 Louisiana and needed to go back to Missouri. So I had it all fucked up.
I also did not hear about that documentary that we evidently missed because when people were commenting, I was so confused.

Speaker 5 I thought I had watched pretty much everything of Gypsy Rose before this all took place. So I've been clearly living under a fucking rock.

Speaker 6 Did you miss prison confessions?

Speaker 5 Okay. So now I know.
For those of you who don't know, go watch prison confessions and then come back to us. So she's scared.
She doesn't want to violate parole.

Speaker 5 She wants to listen to whatever they're telling her because she does not want to get in trouble in any way, shape, or form. And rightfully so, right?

Speaker 5 Like she was in prison for like eight years, she doesn't want to go back. And I get that.
Um, so when I put it on, Isaac walked in and he walked, he saw like the celebration or whatever.

Speaker 5 And obviously, he knows who Gypsy Rose is, right? Like, he was like

Speaker 5 kind of sort of following her case, and he was like, Oh, wow, I didn't know we were celebrating people who murdered their moms. And I was like, Take it aback because I didn't expect him to have that.

Speaker 5 Like, I don't know how much he knows about what she did and her, you know, reasoning for it. And I'm not saying it's okay, I'm not justifying it, But also, I mean, I have justified it.

Speaker 6 The circumstances surrounding it. Yeah.
But before we even go further, can we talk about the TikTok I sent you?

Speaker 5 Oh my God. First, let's do an opener.
We're opening the episode. We're opening the episode with this banger.

Speaker 5 What?

Speaker 5 What was that?

Speaker 5 Because

Speaker 5 I

Speaker 5 will be posting my own rendition of this gem.

Speaker 5 This is the best thing I've ever seen. I have no idea what it is.
I have no idea what it means, but we.

Speaker 6 All I know is you are panini pressed. Okay, that's all I know.

Speaker 6 Oh, honey, I am so not threatened by you. My man wouldn't touch you with the 10-foot pole.
You're just mad because I have a chad.

Speaker 5 And

Speaker 5 last time I checked, you don't have a man.

Speaker 5 So looks like you're the one that's panini pressed.

Speaker 6 Crawl a spade to spade, honey. Peep making content.

Speaker 5 Oh, honey, I am. And I love that whoever did this, whoever put this on their account, put it on a loop so they would get paid for it.

Speaker 5 So I was like, wow, that's low-key genius. And I'm going to do that from now on.
I'm going to buck the system.

Speaker 6 The way that I first came across this, it was on her TikTok story because it came up in my feed when I was like late night scrolling.

Speaker 6 And I was like, I got to send this to Kale like in the morning or something. And then I wake up in the morning and I see that one where someone had taken it and posted it to their account.

Speaker 6 And I'm like, but what does it even mean? I just kept listening to it. And I'm like, who is she talking to? No,

Speaker 5 I'm going to do this audio while making the drink.

Speaker 6 But like,

Speaker 5 what Chad? Like, Chad is like, you see,

Speaker 6 Chad is not a good thing.

Speaker 5 No, but like, I'm here for the comments. So

Speaker 5 they know. Wait, so these are the comments.
It says, they better stop playing with Gypsy, y'all. She's crazy.

Speaker 5 Panini pressed is crazy. All these comeback, all these comebacks she has are so 90s.
Someone said, I have a mom.

Speaker 5 I'm gad.

Speaker 5 Calling her manza Chad is insane.

Speaker 5 We've made a huge mistake. Dot, dot, dot.

Speaker 5 Came out of jail the same age that she went in.

Speaker 5 Someone said this to her probation officer.

Speaker 6 I literally cannot see it without laughing because just

Speaker 5 wait clicking the dentures is crazy

Speaker 5 getting

Speaker 5 getting

Speaker 5 dissed by Gypsy Rose is crazy

Speaker 5 She's serving.

Speaker 5 She's serving that millennial lingo. I can't even speak.

Speaker 5 She's serving that millennial lingo with the Disney comebacks hard.

Speaker 5 I'm regretting thinking that this girl was

Speaker 5 back.

Speaker 5 You can tell she practiced this multiple times.

Speaker 6 There was a lot of things. like you have to watch the tick tock because like there's so this is the best thing i've ever seen

Speaker 6 so not threatened by you my man went you with a 10-foot pole you're just mad because i have a chad

Speaker 5 and

Speaker 5 last time we checked you don't have a man

Speaker 5 so looks like you're the one that's been eating depressed follow spade the spade honey keep making content

Speaker 6 didn't i didn't understand i just didn't i didn't know what

Speaker 5 the comments are the best thing that i've ever seen so i just needed i needed us to start with that um

Speaker 6 with the whole situation of the missouri louisiana thing i said this is just it was wild to me because

Speaker 6 it was made extremely clear in episode one when everyone kept talking to the multiple different parole people

Speaker 6 which i thought you only had one parole officer so that was a new splash to me i didn't know what the hell was going on so many various communications, and Louisiana did not have somebody to like process her until after the holiday.

Speaker 6 So, Missouri wanted her out of the state so bad that they were like, We don't care, you just can't be here.

Speaker 5 Yeah, that was, I mean, definitely from what we know, it couldn't have been her fault because they're not even in the office until after the third. So

Speaker 6 that's where I was extremely confused. I

Speaker 6 was very hopeful at the start of the episode because Ryan wasn't really involved at the very beginning. So I was like, oh, this is not,

Speaker 5 he redeemed himself a little bit for me in this episode. He wasn't really cringe the entire episode.

Speaker 6 Oh, for me, he definitely was.

Speaker 5 So, but I made a note of something that Gypsy said in the very beginning of this episode where she said the justice system is meant to fail,

Speaker 5 like fail people. And I thought that was interesting because I know on Copy Combos, we talked about Kim Kardashian and Gypsy Rose teaming up for prison reform.

Speaker 5 And

Speaker 5 I mean, I think this episode right here goes to show how flawed it is, right? Because how was she allegedly given this permission to leave?

Speaker 5 And then she leaves, and now she's in trouble, sort of, and has to go back. And she has to go back immediately, but then they don't even have somebody in the office until after New Year's.

Speaker 5 And so, like, really, what is the rush? Um, and so it was was almost like, and also, what would that have looked like if she was somebody else?

Speaker 5 If it wasn't Gypsy Rose, would that person have been in violation of their parole? You know what I mean? Like, we don't know what that would look like. And so, I did write that down.

Speaker 5 And then, so, Missouri holds,

Speaker 5 so Missouri holds control of her, or Louisiana holds control of her.

Speaker 6 Basically, what they were saying was until, I believe, what they said final was that Missouri was essentially in charge of her until she was processed in Louisiana.

Speaker 6 So that's why I didn't understand why Missouri was like,

Speaker 6 get her out of here.

Speaker 6 Wouldn't you actually want the person in your state

Speaker 6 if you have control until the next person takes control of them?

Speaker 5 Maybe they had deadlines, like she can't be in this because she wasn't a resident of Missouri, like maybe that kind of situation.

Speaker 5 And maybe she's like a flight risk between the time that she leaves Missouri to go back to Louisiana.

Speaker 6 Well, I will say I was actually shocked that they let her drive. I would have assumed they would have been like flying because you're point A to point B.
She passed through. I mean, you saw the sign.

Speaker 6 She was passing through Arkansas before she even got home. So that's a whole other state.

Speaker 5 Well, that's why I'm thinking there was such a rush to get her back to where she needed to be.

Speaker 6 Yeah, it was just weird, but I felt that way in episode one that the whole thing was flawed. I'm like, how can you have someone thinking they have permission to do something?

Speaker 6 They travel 13 hours away and now you're telling them, no, get your ass back to this other state right now.

Speaker 5 Yeah. I mean, she's not because I would have been trying to sue everybody for my money back.
Um,

Speaker 6 it felt weird. Also, something that she said before it was like the

Speaker 6 recap, I guess, leading into the episode. She, it must have been prison confessions, was probably where it got pulled from.
She said that she always had difficulty letting go of her ex-fiancé, Ken.

Speaker 6 And I was like, oh, that answered my question right there as to like who the fuck is Ken and when was he

Speaker 5 in this mix?

Speaker 5 Like,

Speaker 5 well, first of all, before we even get to Ken, because that wasn't even until the end of the episode,

Speaker 5 they consummated the marriage either in the hotel or the Airbnb, can't be sure.

Speaker 5 And immediately, Mia or Maya, the sister, sits down with Gypsy and has a conversation about like checking to see if she's able to have kids. Does she want kids right away? Gypsy says no.

Speaker 5 Gypsy as a mom sounds crazy to me, but I also haven't walked a single step in her shoes. So can't really say anything there outside of it never crossed my mind

Speaker 5 even slightly that all of the things that her mom did to her with the surgeries and the meds and the chemo or whatever. I don't know what she did.

Speaker 5 I never even thought about her ability to have children.

Speaker 6 I wrote the same exact thing. First of all, I was actually, I was a little confused why the sister was having the birth control conversation and not like the step mom or yeah, the stepmom.

Speaker 6 I was like, that's interesting, but like, good for you for being super responsible. I think she's like 22, she said.

Speaker 5 I was like, oh, like, I don't think it has anything to do with responsibility. I think it has to do with making the show.
You know how filming a show works. You've done it with me.

Speaker 5 You've seen me do it. I don't think that that was something that ever came up.
I think the that production plants those

Speaker 5 led the conversation, brought up the idea to talk about this because without that one scene, there wasn't a whole lot really going on in this episode.

Speaker 5 True.

Speaker 6 I also wrote, I did also write down

Speaker 6 when she, when her sister brought up the medications

Speaker 6 and the procedures maybe impacting her ability to get pregnant, I never even thought about the lasting effects that she may have from all of that on her body.

Speaker 6 I've only ever really considered like the mental aspect of all that. But like, who the hell knows if she has physical,

Speaker 6 you know, things because of what her mom did to her? I just never thought about it.

Speaker 5 I don't even know if her mom had reproductive body parts removed.

Speaker 6 Right.

Speaker 5 I mean, we don't know. Does Gypsy know? Does Gypsy even know?

Speaker 6 That's also a good question.

Speaker 6 She said she has scars all over her body from like various procedures. So I don't know if she knows the full extent.

Speaker 5 So does Gypsy even have like a running document of all of the procedures she's had and allegedly for what they were, you know what I mean?

Speaker 5 And like, I'm pretty sure her mom was going doctor after doctor after doctor. So it's possible she is missing parts for that.

Speaker 6 Well, I also was shocked when she said that she had two pap smears while in prison because she was in prison for eight years

Speaker 6 and a half years i think it was so you only had two pap smears and

Speaker 6 to me that speaks a lot to just women's health care in general like we're not even getting into the side of like prison health care being not great at all but just talking about women's health care like Just because you aren't having sex in prison does not mean that something can't be going on.

Speaker 6 And then for her to rely on, oh, well, I had two normal pap smears and I have regular periods for her to assume that she has the ability to have children.

Speaker 6 That shows again, like, how little we actually know. Like,

Speaker 6 women walking around think that, oh, we're fine if we have a period and if my pap smears are normal.

Speaker 5 But also, to have

Speaker 5 at minimum, she should have had eight pap smears at minimum.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Some people go by bi-yearly.

Speaker 6 Right. So I was like, I just wonder what else, what other type of health care was she not receiving?

Speaker 5 That's really sad. That's really fucking sad.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I just was floored because when that conversation came up, I was like, oh, what the fuck? I never even thought about it. So

Speaker 5 when they are traveling back from Missouri to Louisiana and the paparazzi starts following them through the fast food lines,

Speaker 5 I did get, I, at first, I was like, why is Ryan telling her not to eat while the paparazzi is following them? And then I thought, I've been through like humiliating paparazzi pictures.

Speaker 5 Like I've been through that. And so I think it wasn't so much him being rude as it was looking, him looking out for her.
So I'm going to let that one slide only because I've already been through it.

Speaker 5 Imagine getting out of prison and literally within 48 hours, like someone's watching you shove food down your throat. You know what I mean?

Speaker 6 I had a different take because,

Speaker 6 and I think it also was just the lead into the situation. So, he gets into the drive-through, and the lady's telling him the rule, and he's being rude.
He's like, Oh, I'm not doing that.

Speaker 6 I can't do that, or whatever. Like, they're taking our picture right there.
You're giving them a close-up of us. And then he says, This is Gypsy Rose Blanchard.

Speaker 6 Like, why do you need to point that out to the fast food worker?

Speaker 6 Like, they're just, that feels weird to me for what purpose. Um, so I said, please shut the fuck up and stop talking.
You're clearly an attention whore. You're giving me the ick.

Speaker 6 And then the don't eat in front of him. I could have understood that if it was like a burger.
She was eating french fries.

Speaker 5 True. That's true.
Like, it wasn't like she was like, like, mid, mid,

Speaker 5 yeah. I could see that.
While I was just like,

Speaker 5 back to the eating.

Speaker 5 Eating fast food in a car is probably not like having a camera in your face while you're sitting down at a table. You know what I mean?

Speaker 5 So, like, they're probably probably not going to get the best pictures anyway. So yeah, I get that.
But I will say that once they start talking about Ken, I think

Speaker 5 without even knowing Ken,

Speaker 5 he's worse than Ryan. Ryan is cringy as hell, right? Like he's cringe.
We know he likes the attention. He probably isn't in this for the right reasons.
But Ken.

Speaker 5 thought it was fun and wanted some sort of attention for being with Gypsy while she was in prison and then broke up with her for what reason we don't know.

Speaker 5 And then here he comes coming back texting the stepmom, texting this person, that person. Why?

Speaker 5 What are your intentions? Why did you break up with your mind?

Speaker 6 I wanted to ask you about that. I wanted to get your take on how you felt hearing that he texted the stepmom that because

Speaker 6 part of me at that point was like trying to humanize with Ryan on that level. And I'm like, I don't know how I would feel if I heard that that situation was going on and like I was in his shoes.

Speaker 6 So, like, part of me was like, oh, it was nice that he checked in and like still kept his, like, didn't say anything to Gypsy herself. But then the other part was like, what are the intentions?

Speaker 6 And then, what was the intention of Christy telling Gypsy that he texted?

Speaker 5 Well, he prop right, not Ryan. Um, Ken probably didn't have a way because she had just gotten out within 48 hours.
So, how would Gypsy have gotten Ken's number for him to reach out to her directly?

Speaker 5 And then, second to that, I don't really love that thumba stepmom told her because what was

Speaker 5 if she's married? Like, I don't know though. So, like, if you're married, right, and you are really close with your mom, if your ex reached out to your mom to check on you, would you want to know?

Speaker 5 I don't think so.

Speaker 6 Like, I just, if I was already married at that time, I wouldn't, I don't care.

Speaker 5 If

Speaker 5 I was in that situation,

Speaker 5 if I was in Ryan's situation, I would be devastated because

Speaker 5 what is going on that you felt the need to tell Gypsy and

Speaker 5 it would make me feel some kind of way.

Speaker 5 Like if Elijah's ex-wife reached out to Elijah's mom and then Elijah's mom felt the need to tell Elijah, it would make me upset because it's like, okay, I understand

Speaker 5 that you, that you're his mom, but also if he's in a happy situation, if he's in a happy relationship, why would you feel that that's necessary to tell him?

Speaker 6 Yeah, I just like didn't know how I felt about it, but then I also was thinking about it from the family's side.

Speaker 6 And I just, to me, that right there reinforced that at least Christy does not respect that marriage. That's how I felt.
I was like, the fact that she told her, then you,

Speaker 6 you have doubts or you feel a certain type of way,

Speaker 6 whether consciously or subconsciously, that's how I felt. I was like, okay, because I already get the vibe that the family does not fuck with him.
I got that vibe in episode one.

Speaker 6 And just the way they were interacting around each other, it was very

Speaker 6 like that kitchen scene where the dad is like cooking and Ryan's just like standing there. It's like that would never happen with Corey and like my mom.

Speaker 6 That would never happen with me at Corey's parents' house.

Speaker 5 Gypsy kind of touches on that at the end of the episode where she's talking about how her dad is skeptical of ryan and

Speaker 5 they feel like she rushed the marriage too soon so

Speaker 5 and i think that's kind of what we all thought so that makes sense i mean and i do wonder now now that she's with ken how do we feel about how does the family feel about ryan i right i'm interested in that i also

Speaker 6 Did you catch the comment he made when she was wearing the necklace in the car and he said, I wish that my name was on it. When she was like, oh, like, doesn't it look so good?

Speaker 6 And he was like, I wish that my name was on it. And I'm like, It's not all about you, dude.

Speaker 5 I must have missed that comment because I would have wrote that down for sure.

Speaker 6 He's freaking weird. And then I did see the whole stuff about the dad being skeptical.
Um, I said, I guess that and could tell already without that being said.

Speaker 6 I felt like that was pretty clear in episode one. And then Ryan going in about, like, oh, I got her to myself, and like, but like, I'm gonna let her family have their time, but like, that's my time.

Speaker 6 It was just very possessive and very weird.

Speaker 5 I didn't like when he said, nobody knows her as well as me.

Speaker 5 You've known her for

Speaker 5 two minutes, right? And even though her dad wasn't really around, her dad still was around. And also, your relationship with your wife needs to be very different than a relationship with her parents.

Speaker 5 Like, that's they're not the same. You can't, that's like me saying, saying, oh, I know Elijah.
Nobody knows Elijah like I do. No, his parents raised him for 25 fucking years.

Speaker 5 They know him in a completely different way than I do. You know what I mean? So it's just, you can't, one is not like the other.
You don't know him the same way I know him.

Speaker 5 Just like I don't know him the same way his parents know him. They're not comparable.
So that bothered me.

Speaker 5 It also showed her age when she was pulling out all the lingerie and was talking about how she thought she was going to wear something like this for her first time.

Speaker 5 I would like like to take a poll right here, right now, to find out who wore lingerie for their first time having sex. Because to me, that just showed her level of maturity and also just

Speaker 5 not reality.

Speaker 6 I think it's so funny you say that because I was thinking the same thing because I'm much like, you have this vision, I think, in your head of like

Speaker 6 how romantic it'll be and blah, blah, blah. And it's, I mean, I don't know.
I can only speak to my own experience.

Speaker 6 I lost my virginity on a futon watching a TV show because I didn't want to be having sex. So,

Speaker 5 um,

Speaker 6 with the door wide open, with my head hanging down, watching to see if his parents were watching, it was very awkward. And, like, 10 out of 10 don't recommend.

Speaker 6 So, I would love to know: did anyone actually get that romantic experience that we all thought we would get? Because

Speaker 6 neither one of us

Speaker 6 did.

Speaker 5 I was outside, and he took his shirt off, and we laid on a shirt on the cold concrete ground. That was very nice that he put his shirt down for you.
You know what? He was a gentleman.

Speaker 5 So shout out to him.

Speaker 6 I thought that was weird.

Speaker 6 I also got weirded out about her saying that Ryan bought lingerie for her when they first started, like when she was talking about the bow one, when they first started dating.

Speaker 6 Why are you doing that when you know she's locked up? for a very long time. And like, why are you doing that?

Speaker 6 Like, you can't tell me that you're not having some type of weird ass sexual fantasy about banging someone who's in prison. I don't know.
It just, again, plays me.

Speaker 5 Blow-up doll.

Speaker 6 I don't fucking know, but like, why

Speaker 6 he, I don't know. It was just weird.
And everything he does, honestly,

Speaker 6 everything on my body cringes. I'm like, ooh.

Speaker 5 I will say, I still cringe, but he sort of redeemed himself from at least episode one because I didn't get as many cringy vibes in this one.

Speaker 5 Gypsies shocked me.

Speaker 5 My jaw was on the floor when Gypsy said that she experimented with women in prison.

Speaker 5 Again, one of those things that

Speaker 5 should be common sense, but just didn't cross my mind.

Speaker 5 That never crossed my mind that she was hooking up with women or experimenting with women or making out with women. That never crossed my mind.

Speaker 5 But I understand that that is something that people talk about with prison, right? And

Speaker 5 you can have sex with women in prison, but it's frowned upon to masturbate in prison.

Speaker 6 Well, it sounds like you're not supposed to do any of the above at all. But I didn't know that the masturbation part was actually real.

Speaker 6 I thought people were like joking when they said you can't masturbate in prison.

Speaker 5 Oh, no, I knew that that was like a real thing.

Speaker 6 But like

Speaker 6 for, I guess, like why? I don't understand.

Speaker 5 Also, I feel like there's more of a stigma with women doing it than men, right? Like for men, I don't think they would think twice if they walked in on a man doing it.

Speaker 5 But if they walk in on a woman, it's like you got caught with your pants down, literally and figuratively. You know what I mean?

Speaker 6 Yeah, yeah, I don't. I just thought that was really, I really didn't think that that was real.
So, that was really interesting to me. I did

Speaker 6 think that it was so she was experimenting with women in prison, but then was dating outside of prison at the same time. Do we think, or do we think it was happening at different times?

Speaker 5 My guess is that,

Speaker 5 and I'm only speaking from experience, I can't speak for everyone, but I think a lot of times it happens simultaneously. I think that not all inmates are

Speaker 5 actually faithful because it's survival. You're in survival mode.
So if you have a good situation in prison, you're going to keep that going as long as possible.

Speaker 5 And if you have people on the outside that are putting money on your books, that are calling you, that are checking on you, that are kind of keeping you

Speaker 5 pushing through to the next day, I think it's there, those things are happening at the same time.

Speaker 6 So they they serve essentially, people serve different purposes. Like the ones in prison with you are probably fulfilling needs,

Speaker 6 like physical, I would assume, like physical needs, like in-person needs that the other people can't

Speaker 5 fulfill. Okay, that makes sense.
That's kind of that's that's my

Speaker 5 what I think is going on.

Speaker 6 I feel like that does make sense to me. I also just wonder like, how does she know she wants to definitely be with a man then?

Speaker 5 Well, she said she questioned her sexuality. So I think it's possible that right now she just likes the attention and the freedom, and she's kind of out and

Speaker 5 freer than she felt in prison. So we don't know.
We don't know what's to come. It's possible that she could end up with another woman outside of prison later on.

Speaker 6 This is also true.

Speaker 6 So

Speaker 6 the whole scene of the New Year's Eve Eve party

Speaker 6 occurring in the apartment. I coming from someone who hates creatives,

Speaker 6 I just just wanted to know your thoughts on that because I was like, what in the fuck is happening?

Speaker 6 So we're going to,

Speaker 5 I hate creatives. Anyone that is listening to this episode, if you are a photographer and you are having people go out on couches in the middle of cornfields, stop doing that.

Speaker 5 If you are having people get naked in a barn, stop doing that. Okay.
We are,

Speaker 5 let's do creatives that make sense for human photography. Okay.

Speaker 5 Just to preface the conversation with that.

Speaker 5 The whole creative was.

Speaker 5 What was that?

Speaker 6 I didn't

Speaker 6 realize. Because the whole time I'm like, this can't be like an actual New Year's Eve situation.
Like, this can't be it.

Speaker 6 Also, like, I didn't know what, I thought they were going out somewhere when she started putting the dress on and stuff. And she's like, this is what I'm going to wear.

Speaker 6 And she's getting her makeup done. And I'm like, oh, like, I wonder where they're going to go.
Right. I'm like, that's what I'm thinking.

Speaker 6 And she walks out into her living room and that's where she was going. And I was like,

Speaker 6 oh, like, I just didn't know what was occurring.

Speaker 5 Maybe,

Speaker 5 maybe

Speaker 5 they're okay. Well, for one, we know that production also probably wasn't working for New Year's Eve, like actual New Year's Eve.

Speaker 5 So that was part of it, right? The second part of it was maybe she has curfew, so she can't go physically out of the house past a certain time. So, those two things at play could be what it is.

Speaker 5 Because I, if I remember correctly, there was a scene on Teen Mom where Jordan and I celebrate Christmas, and that was not actually Christmas.

Speaker 5 Okay, fair.

Speaker 6 Like, they say creation.

Speaker 5 So, and then I know another friend of mine did a show for New Year's, and that also was not New Year's.

Speaker 5 Okay.

Speaker 5 So, I think it was one of those situations where it's it's like they wanted to have it in the show, but they weren't actually able to celebrate on the actual day, so they just made whatever work. But

Speaker 5 I mean,

Speaker 5 for that, just actually go somewhere and just be home by 10 or 9 or whatever. You know what I mean?

Speaker 5 Like it would have been dark out, so nobody would have known to go wear those types of heels and that dress in your living room is crazy.

Speaker 6 I just was like, what, what is going on? I will say that I definitely felt a more human connection to her when she was like saying how she never thought that she would be able to look this pretty.

Speaker 6 Her mom never let her, you know, feel pretty, look pretty, all those things, didn't let her have long hair.

Speaker 6 Basically, talking about how she's like self-conscious and all those things. Like, obviously, we're all human.
We go through very similar, if not the same, struggles. So, that did

Speaker 6 bring her to a little bit more of like a

Speaker 6 taint, like a, I don't know. I felt like I had more in common, right?

Speaker 6 I'm like, oh, like, even she thinks about these things, like, two days after getting home from prison is what it was depicting in the show, and you're thinking about that.

Speaker 6 So, I was like, okay, like, I can, I can relate on that level. I thought that was really interesting.

Speaker 5 Um,

Speaker 6 when she came out in the dress, her dad looked so happy.

Speaker 6 Ryan was creeping me out.

Speaker 5 Ryan needs to. I don't know if he lived under a rock his whole life or like what was going on, like why he was acting that way.
Do you not realize there's a camera crew in your face?

Speaker 5 You need to get it together.

Speaker 6 What was coming off really perby? I don't have a better word than that. It was just giving, like, her dad's like, oh my God, you're so beautiful, like, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 6 Like, so, like, so dad-like, right? Like, so happy and whatever. And then you have this, like, leering, lurking creature like behind.

Speaker 6 I was like, What is like the awkward feeling? And he looks like he wants to devour her, and like her dad is standing literally right there. Like,

Speaker 6 you can say things, like, you can say, like, oh, you're so pretty, you look so gorgeous, whatever, but like, doesn't really, he's, he's just like, oh my god, that's my wife, right there. Like,

Speaker 6 okay, but it was just, I don't know. I was cringing.
I didn't love it. I didn't love that entire scene.

Speaker 5 Um,

Speaker 6 I will say, though, when she brought up to Christy

Speaker 6 the situation about her mom

Speaker 6 telling her that her dad said

Speaker 6 that she was the R-word.

Speaker 5 I wrote that down. I said the wheelchair races as a kid, and the mom allegedly told only because we don't know, right? Like, Gypsy, um, this is this is for the Jolly Rancers.
Um,

Speaker 5 I'm gonna make the drink for Elisha. Um,

Speaker 5 Dee Dee is not here to defend herself. And so that's why I say allegedly.

Speaker 5 We don't know if that actually occurred. And if it did, that's really fucking sad.
I don't think that that happened. It doesn't seem to me that Gypsy's dad, even when

Speaker 5 Gypsy had all of the alleged issues that she had, it doesn't seem like he was that kind of person. So he might have been absent because Dee Dee made it incredibly hard for him to be present.

Speaker 5 But I just can't picture him.

Speaker 5 The situation really, really, really reminds me of

Speaker 5 my own parents and my sister. Because,

Speaker 5 I mean, I got really shitty stories about my dad, and I believe most of them to be true. But, like, in terms of him physically hurting me, it was never a story I was ever told.

Speaker 5 My sister, on the other hand, was told stories that my father hurt her as a child. And just knowing what I know, I mean, everyone in my life, like on my mom's side, has confirmed what my mom told me.

Speaker 5 I don't think he was ever violent. So I, I do think that it's possible that Gypsy's mom was making things up.

Speaker 6 Oh, 1000%. The dad just doesn't strike me as that type of person.
Right.

Speaker 6 And we already, the way

Speaker 6 Dee D Dee has been depicted this entire time is thinking of Gypsy in that way. Right.
So in every other documentary and stuff that we've watched, like that is how it was depicted.

Speaker 6 But I wanted, basically, what I was getting at with that one was I wanted to know, it kind of answered some, a little part of your question of like, where has this family been?

Speaker 6 We've never heard of them. Like, it seems like they were at least show, they were coming to things, right? Like, these wheelchair races happened when she was younger.

Speaker 5 So

Speaker 6 we just didn't hear about that side, it sounds like, and until they're exploring it now, as far as the fact that they were not like 100% not communicating.

Speaker 5 My guess is that Dee Dee probably did it when it was convenient for her. Or I know that it's been said that he has always paid like child support and stuff.

Speaker 5 So it's possible that like if she needed more money or something like that, maybe that was like used as a bribe is what I got from it.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 5 There are the scenes where Gypsy is cooking and she's like, she doesn't know how to cook. And

Speaker 5 before she even said it, before on this show that it was even ever said, I wrote down she doesn't know how to cook

Speaker 5 because same, but also she's never been alone except for prison. And even in prison, it wasn't necessarily that she was alone because she had other people to learn from.

Speaker 5 But

Speaker 5 I just

Speaker 5 never thought about that either until this episode. Like this episode where she was talking about not knowing how to cook was the first time that I realized that she just existed.
And like,

Speaker 5 even my kids, right now, I mean, they don't know how to throw down completely, but like they can make survival meals.

Speaker 5 We, I don't think that Gypsy even knew how to do that before prison because she was in a wheelchair.

Speaker 6 Yeah, and her mom basically convinced her she couldn't do anything. So

Speaker 6 I thought the same thing. I was also laughing about the some of the decor in the apartment with all the gypsy and Ryan shit.
I was like, all right, like, how many times, how many things?

Speaker 6 I saw a pillow. I saw a neon sign that was like trying to give someone some type of like attack.

Speaker 6 Why do we need so many things that say Ryan and Gypsy? That I didn't love that. But it was also very childish.

Speaker 5 Like everything just, even the cat wars thing was just very childish to me. And I just,

Speaker 5 I don't know. The whole thing, I was just like, what is he also like mature, stunted, mature-wise? Like, I don't know what's going on here.

Speaker 6 So, I don't know if you saw some of the comments after we recapped the first episode, but people commented and said that he is a teacher.

Speaker 6 He was a special education teacher that actually lost his job when they found out that he was dating Gypsy or engaged to Gypsy or something like that.

Speaker 5 I don't know if I would,

Speaker 6 I don't think that I would want him to be my child's teacher.

Speaker 5 I would agree with that. As a mom, I

Speaker 5 he feels like someone who, and I hate to say this, right? Because like I'm very defensive about my relationship on TV and I come off cold, right? Because it's embarrassing to me to show affection. So

Speaker 5 maybe for him, he's acting like this because of like some insecurities, like maybe what I have, but in a different way.

Speaker 5 But

Speaker 5 it comes off as

Speaker 5 immature. And if his maturity was stunted or emotionally stunted or anything like that, and he is having the mindset of someone younger,

Speaker 5 then that leads me to believe that he would maybe potentially be attracted to like younger or emotionally

Speaker 5 younger people.

Speaker 5 So that kind of scares me. I don't know how old he is, but Gypsy is what? How old is Gypsy? Oh, God.
She's got to be.

Speaker 5 Eliza. I think Gypsy is Elijah's age because I think that she was born in the 90s.
Hold on, let me look it up.

Speaker 6 Probably somewhere, somewhere between Elijah and us, I would guess. She's not younger than Elijah.

Speaker 5 Oh,

Speaker 6 she's 32.

Speaker 5 Oh, yeah. Okay.

Speaker 6 So she's older than me.

Speaker 6 I mean, you could definitely tell the stunted

Speaker 5 Ryan

Speaker 5 is 36.

Speaker 6 Okay, but like coming from the maturity level of Gypsy,

Speaker 6 that's a huge difference.

Speaker 5 Gypsy is not.

Speaker 5 Gypsy mentally is not 32.

Speaker 5 No.

Speaker 5 No.

Speaker 5 Ryan is not mentally 36.

Speaker 5 So.

Speaker 6 But I still don't think they're matching. Like, I don't think

Speaker 6 I don't think that part is matching up. And it was actually

Speaker 6 really interesting.

Speaker 6 The whole.

Speaker 6 I wrote down mansplaining a fucking dog question mark.

Speaker 5 Oh, see, that didn't bother me too much.

Speaker 5 I wasn't super bothered by that. I didn't even write down.
Other than writing down, like, do we think a puppy is a good idea? I really didn't get,

Speaker 5 I think he was more so just thinking about the fact of like,

Speaker 5 is she, because she's never been alone, yes, the company would be nice, but is she willing to go outside by herself to be able to take the dog for walks and stuff?

Speaker 5 Like, is that something that's one, smart or two,

Speaker 5 like, is she actually going to do it? Because we have to remind ourselves that she's never had.

Speaker 5 She's never had a responsibility like that. So I do think that those questions are valid, right?

Speaker 5 And if we know that she's emotionally immature, like her maturity is stunted, those are questions that you would ask a child or a young adult. Like, I mean, Isaac's about, he's 14.

Speaker 5 And I would be like, are you sure you're going to do those things? You know what I mean? So I don't think that those were completely off.

Speaker 6 The reason I wrote it down was, why would you marry someone that you had to do that to?

Speaker 6 Because then you're placing yourself in a parent.

Speaker 5 You already know why.

Speaker 6 Well, right. But it was just yet another questioning of like, what are your intentions in this? Because

Speaker 6 you and I have conversations all the time about different relationships and whatever the situations are. And it's like,

Speaker 6 there are times when I'm like, I don't want to feel like your mom to Corey, right? Like, I'm not here to parent you.

Speaker 6 I think anybody, you know, out of my friend group, every single one of my friends has been there with their men, right? And I'm like, I

Speaker 6 don't want to have to play a dual role here. Like, I signed up for a marriage, not raising a child.

Speaker 5 So it happens. So it could have happened even if she wasn't emotionally, you know what I mean?

Speaker 6 Right. So it was just like interesting, but like to also see how it looked like the conversation was fine.
And then all of a sudden she was like, not fine.

Speaker 5 I don't know why she got so mad about that. And I do think that that was her getting mad and like storming off felt very manipulative to me.

Speaker 6 Childlike is what I was thinking. Like a temper tantrum.

Speaker 5 Yeah. And I didn't feel like it was warranted in that situation.
I think that I don't think that he was calling her dumb. I don't think that he was calling her an idiot.
I don't think he would.

Speaker 5 I think those were valid questions that he was asking. I mean, I do feel like it was more like a parent, but at the end of the day, you have to consider the circumstances.

Speaker 5 So I don't think that it was completely far off or, you know, like a far-fetched conversation. I do think that she could benefit from a dog, but also living in an apartment with a dog is tough.

Speaker 5 Like, I mean,

Speaker 5 there's no other way to put it. And I think that's more so what he was getting at um

Speaker 5 i did write down that ryan was normal this week he was more normal than last week and he redeemed himself a little bit for me here um

Speaker 5 i feel bad when i watch interviews well not that i've sat down and like watched countless interviews but he seems normal enough in the interviews so it's really weird and i don't know if he's just it's the nature of filming a reality show that is throwing me off with the with Ryan and the cringiness, because I do think some of that stuff needs to be like, not like, why do you have to be such a perv?

Speaker 5 You know what I mean? Like you're being cringe. Thank you.

Speaker 5 But I think overall, I don't know if he's that cringe in person, like in real life, because the interview that I watched, he seemed pretty normal. And then I started to feel bad.

Speaker 5 So I'm like, I don't know. Like, I just don't know about him.
And like I said, like.

Speaker 5 Filming certain aspects of a relationship can be really awkward. So I don't know.
I want to give him the benefit of the doubt here on this episode.

Speaker 6 But like, so it can be awkward, like you're saying, right?

Speaker 6 But there, in my opinion, looking at it from this side, there's things that if I felt awkward, I just straight up wouldn't talk about, which one, my number one would be like, we're not talking about our sex life.

Speaker 6 Like on fucking camera, we're just not.

Speaker 5 I can't. Like, look at what happened to me with Teen Mom.
When I started to do that, because of how I looked, then I looked even more like a dick. So there was no win.

Speaker 5 There was no win on either side where I talked about it and I was doing the things. I hated the way it came out and I felt so awkward and stupid doing it, right? And like filming it.

Speaker 5 And then when I started to refuse to film certain things, I looked like I was fighting with producers, which actually wasn't the case. You know what I mean?

Speaker 5 So, like, I feel like if they, and with something like this, a show that Gypsy Rose is filming after coming out of prison and her celebrity and all of this stuff, there's no room for him to not film about it.

Speaker 5 You know what I mean?

Speaker 6 Yes, it just doesn't come across that he feels awkward in the sexual side. And I think that's what's making him come across as like

Speaker 5 a perv

Speaker 5 He, you mean like he's not aware that it's coming off as awkward?

Speaker 6 Like, I think that he, I don't, I can't tell if it's a situation where he feels awkward and that's why it's coming across the way that it's coming across, or if that's just how he is and it's like he's being set like, um,

Speaker 6 I don't want, I don't feel like he's being censored in any type of way, right? Like, I don't feel like he is,

Speaker 6 I don't think he's media trained, put it that way.

Speaker 6 Like, I don't think that he went through any type of fucking media training before they signed on for this show to be like, okay, like, here's how to sort of like navigate around certain circumstances.

Speaker 6 It feels very raw. I think Lifetime's doing a great job of getting

Speaker 6 like the real raw moments. I didn't feel like anything was

Speaker 6 quote unquote staged except for the whole linear room situation. I was like, okay, this clearly is not

Speaker 5 the whole thing felt staged to me. The entire, the, the whole show itself feels staged to me.

Speaker 6 Really?

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 5 The entire thing.

Speaker 6 Down to like, do you think that the down to the every conversation.

Speaker 5 Okay. And I, and, and it, because it takes one to know one.
And in order for someone, I would had no media training either.

Speaker 5 They threw me in and acted like I'm supposed to know what the fuck I'm doing. I think that's the only way to do it in this situation.

Speaker 5 I don't think that it would have helped or benefited anyone if he had any sort of media training.

Speaker 5 I also think the same for her, but I think she had more media training because she was getting interviewed in prison by all different kinds of networks. And so she kind of knows what she's doing.

Speaker 5 But I think even every single conversation they've had is prompted. Okay.

Speaker 6 I mean, fair.

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Speaker 5 So far,

Speaker 5 what reality TV shows have I done? I did

Speaker 5 16 Pregnant, Teen Mom,

Speaker 5 The Reunions. I would consider those to be like a different sort of show than filming Teen Mom.
I did.

Speaker 5 Dating show.

Speaker 5 Oh, God.

Speaker 5 I always forget about that. That dating show.
And then I did Marriage Boot Camp.

Speaker 5 So that's four different filming settings

Speaker 5 and four different formats of shows. Like the reunions themselves are different than

Speaker 5 you know what I mean.

Speaker 5 Every single conversation is prompted unless the cameras are there while something crazy is happening, right? So, like,

Speaker 5 for example, anytime there was a sit-down meal, if we were out to eat or we were at home, was prompted. Anything sitting on the couch was prompted.

Speaker 5 The only time it wasn't prompted was like when Javi came home from deployment. And this is just the first thing that's coming to mind.
And, you know, I'm like, I have to go to Starbucks.

Speaker 5 Like, I have shit to do. You know what I mean? Stuff like that.
Like, they couldn't have prompted that. I was just like, Why are you here?

Speaker 5 You showed up out of nowhere kind of thing, or you're lingering. Um, I'm trying to think of like another scenario.

Speaker 5 When I was in California with Sterling, and Javi's blowing up my phone about and calling me a bad mom and doing whatever,

Speaker 5 not prompted, right?

Speaker 6 Right.

Speaker 5 Where has there been a situation where Gypsy and Ryan haven't filmed together yet, where they're not together?

Speaker 6 That's true, but like, do you think that down to her whole you have to go back to the state was prompted?

Speaker 5 Like, was it made?

Speaker 5 The phone conversations, I don't think, were prompted at all. Okay.
Because I think they were present for those. So that one, those make sense.

Speaker 5 But when there's nothing happening, like, why are we now talking about this all of a sudden?

Speaker 6 Like, how do we get from point A to point?

Speaker 5 Like the conversation about kids.

Speaker 5 Right.

Speaker 5 Why? Why was that needed to have? Why didn't, you know what I mean? Like, there's, they need certain things for the show. So I do feel like,

Speaker 5 but I'm glad for you, it doesn't feel that way because that means that they're doing a good job creating the show, producing the show, right?

Speaker 6 Like, I mean, genuinely, it does, it doesn't, um,

Speaker 6 it doesn't feel that way. And I also was paying attention to like what's in the previews for next episode, right?

Speaker 6 And you know how for your situation, just because you film things in a certain order does not mean they're, that's how they're going to air, right?

Speaker 6 So, did you catch where he's like, I just want to start a family with you? So, part of me was like, did the conversation about the birth control and like what was happening behind the scenes,

Speaker 6 or was he said the thing about the kids thing that's airing next? And this conversation was kind of like a pickup or something?

Speaker 5 I think,

Speaker 5 where

Speaker 5 remind me where he said, where were they when they said that in the previous,

Speaker 6 they were in a car.

Speaker 5 I think that that happened first,

Speaker 6 and they had to plant this conversation.

Speaker 5 So, as soon as that happened,

Speaker 5 because they were filming, I think that's why they had the sister talk to Gypsy about this really quick. And maybe Gypsy didn't even realize why they had that conversation like that.

Speaker 5 You know what I mean? Because Gypsy doesn't know what it is,

Speaker 5 I mean, now she knows, but she didn't know prior to this what goes into making a full reality show with multiple episodes. That driving conversation, what were they wearing? Do you remember?

Speaker 6 Oh, God. No, I didn't pay attention.

Speaker 5 I guarantee you. I didn't pay attention to that.
I guarantee

Speaker 5 like that.

Speaker 5 I guarantee you, because that's happened to me where something happened.

Speaker 5 They have gone as far as recreating texts and having sit-down conversations revolving around something that happened two, three, four months prior because something happened.

Speaker 5 They were like, oh, we can create a story arc around this. So if you notice, every episode has, I think it's like.
Something's about to happen, something happens, and then the aftermath, right?

Speaker 5 So like in the first episode, it was like Gypsy gets out of jail, Gypsy goes home. Now, there's this like huge blow up, right? Like, about where she's supposed to be.
Was this a violation of parole?

Speaker 5 Episodes, episode two starts with the whole blow-up, the aftermath of it. The next thing is getting home.
What happens there? They have the conversation of

Speaker 5 like moving into the apartment, getting a dog, and then the New Year's Eve thing. So, like, every so far, we've seen at least three things happen.
So, there's like a story arc.

Speaker 5 So, if that's next, that makes sense for them to have had that conversation. So, we knew where Gypsy stood.
Does that make sense?

Speaker 6 1000%. And I also kept thinking back to, and I never really looked further into it, but did you see all of like the allegations, rumors going around that she was pregnant at one point with Ryan?

Speaker 6 Like in real life?

Speaker 6 So I was like, oh shit, are we about to see

Speaker 6 if that actually happened in this show? And this is leading up to that.

Speaker 6 So I keep thinking about shit that's come out in real life as I'm watching this. I'm like, oh, wait.
Like, I wonder, you know what I mean?

Speaker 6 Because that scene right there, I wrote down, it definitely left me feeling like Ryan might be pressing her for a baby. And she just made it clear that she really doesn't want kids right now.

Speaker 6 Would it be sad if it happened? But not ideal. So for this to be the next episode, and he's like, I just really want to start a family with you, or I just really want to have a family with you.

Speaker 6 It's like, wait a second, y'all are not on the same page then.

Speaker 6 I just think that

Speaker 5 that would probably be the worst thing that happens to gypsy right now i don't think that

Speaker 5 like

Speaker 5 i have realized in my life journey as well as my parenting journey that

Speaker 5 people will tell you until they're blue in the face don't have kids until you're ready or um you need to heal before you have kids And while I agree that there are, there is some healing that needs to be done before you have children,

Speaker 5 some healing does not, it cannot happen until kids are born because you are not, you have not awoken that part of you inside to realize that certain parts of you still need healing and then there's work to be done.

Speaker 5 So, unfortunately for children, and I think this will happen until the end of time, this is not something that we're just going to fix, and like you know, every generation is going to get better and better at this.

Speaker 5 There are parts of you that will not come to light, and you will not know need healing until there are children. So, but that being said,

Speaker 5 Gypsy has not even done the amount of work that she needed to do.

Speaker 5 Gypsy has not done even eight years worth of work outside of prison, right? Like, you can only do so much healing while you're there. So, the next step needs to heal while you're out.

Speaker 5 And the crime that she committed, that she was a part of, I think goes far beyond what we can even comprehend ourselves, right? So, having children,

Speaker 5 obviously, I have nobody to tell them who should and shouldn't have kids, but I just feel like

Speaker 6 that'd be detrimental.

Speaker 5 That would not be a good idea.

Speaker 6 No, that's exactly how I felt. So I'm really interested.

Speaker 6 They're doing a good job of keeping me wanting to watch. I haven't gotten to the point yet, you know, where I'm like, oh, like, I don't want to watch next week yet.

Speaker 6 Cause I know some things can just get stale, right? But I

Speaker 6 am intrigued because I just want to find out, like,

Speaker 6 I want to find out Ryan's ulterior motive.

Speaker 5 Well, I still question the family because I just feel like

Speaker 5 now Gypsy Rose got all this crazy media support, right? Like everyone's supporting Gypsy.

Speaker 5 Do I think that her parents, like her stepmom and her dad, and her sister would have forgiven her

Speaker 5 without the media, like the attention of the media? Yeah, I do. But would they be at like this involved if the media and the public, the general public, weren't as much on her side? I don't know.

Speaker 5 I think that their involvement in the show is sketchy. Um,

Speaker 5 I get, I know that it was like necessary for this show to be to move forward. I feel like it would be the same thing for me, right? Like

Speaker 5 missing people from my family to film a show would change the entire dynamic. So, everyone has to be on board, or it can't truly happen.
So, like, I get that too.

Speaker 5 But

Speaker 5 I just feel like they would want to work through certain things in private and work on building their relationship in private before immediately jumping. Like, I don't know.
It just,

Speaker 5 there had to be a mass, a massive amount of money involved because

Speaker 5 like, I just can't. I just, my family in Texas was like, no, we don't want to be a part of the show.
Like, we don't.

Speaker 5 Like, they just were interested in actually having a genuine building a relationship with me.

Speaker 6 So I wanted to ask you, judging from the conversation that just that, right, that took place in the bathroom while Gypsy was getting her makeup done by Christy

Speaker 6 and the way she was so quick to be like, no, your mom used to do the X, Y, and Z, right? Like, we know that that's fairly normal.

Speaker 6 I'm wondering if they weren't even upset in the slightest about Dee D Dee being killed.

Speaker 6 and Gypsy having a role in it. So then therefore there would be no forgiveness needed if they didn't care.

Speaker 6 Like we went off of the like i went off of the assumption that like oh people would like if i killed somebody my family would be upset i don't think they were ever upset about that necessarily i don't think so i don't think that that was ever at play for i truly don't i just don't think something that was ever at play to yeah i don't

Speaker 5 maybe even need to like forgive but to rebuild the relationship because

Speaker 5 If you remember, Gypsy was under the impression that like her dad was calling her the R-word and her dad was not around and her dad, you know, whatever the case was,

Speaker 5 he was laughing at her, things like that. Those are the things that were known by Gypsy, right? So

Speaker 5 I'm skeptical that everyone just jumped right into being a part of the show.

Speaker 5 When my aunt reached out to me

Speaker 5 on Facebook, she had said she finally found me. I told her I was in the process of filming the show and she didn't want any parts.

Speaker 6 Right.

Speaker 5 She didn't want any fucking parts. She was like, that's not what I'm here for.
Like, she didn't even know. And then she wanted no, Like, to me,

Speaker 5 that's more so where, you know what I mean?

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 6 I can definitely see where you're coming from. I just don't get the same feeling that you get.
So I'm intrigued to see like what.

Speaker 5 I'm just skeptical. I think that

Speaker 6 I think, I mean, I think there's a good reason to be skeptical of anybody that's involved right now.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Truthfully, you know what? I think we have those same feelings about their motives about a boyfriend's motives or Ryan and Ken's motives, but we're not more skeptical of the family.

Speaker 5 Like, I'm not saying that they're not good people. I'm just saying the family.

Speaker 6 Yeah, they're skeptical of why they're suddenly as involved as they are, kind of thing.

Speaker 5 Well, because why was the first thing that you thought of

Speaker 5 when you found out that your daughter did this, right? Like, stepdaughter, daughter, whatever.

Speaker 5 You didn't think that maybe

Speaker 5 you shouldn't participate and you should advocate for her mental health or are you pushing like i don't i don't know it just feels weird it just feels weird well i also wonder how long this show has actually been in the works and been having discussions because like maybe initially they weren't going to be part of it maybe

Speaker 6 like everyone's known when she was getting out of prison for a long time so like i just wonder like when did the conversations about the show even start and who would be participating

Speaker 5 but it it doesn't to me that's irrelevant, right?

Speaker 6 Which I can see your point because you've already gone through this where you were just like you said, like you have your own family that you went to and said, like, do you want to do this?

Speaker 6 And they were like, No. So, I think you can see it from that perspective, where nothing yet is.

Speaker 6 I'm this episode specifically did confuse me a little bit, right? Because I was like, Okay, so the dad and the stepmom were at this wheelchair games, whatever, whenever Gypsy was doing them.

Speaker 6 And then the sister was like, You have a sister now to talk about these things, or whatever. She said something to that regard.
And I'm like, So then where have you been?

Speaker 6 So that was the first time with anybody. I was like, Okay, for her specifically, I'm like, All right, you have a sister now.
Like, were you not corresponding while she was in prison?

Speaker 6 Like, you were waiting for her to get out. What was the case? And then she also said something to the regard of, I've been daddy's little girl for 22 years.

Speaker 5 Um,

Speaker 6 like, I'm glad that she'll kind of get to experience that now. I'm ready for her to experience that, and blah, blah, blah, blah.
And I'm like, okay, so what is

Speaker 5 the

Speaker 6 relationship? Like, I think I would have loved for them to, and maybe they will. It's only episode two.

Speaker 6 Maybe they, I don't know how many episodes are in this, but maybe they will dive into what the relationship was with the family and her.

Speaker 6 And right now, it's just so focused on the fact that she's married and it's more so like her and Ryan with family like feeling secondary.

Speaker 5 I don't know. We'll find out.
We're going to find out. I need to get them.
I need to do a deep dive.

Speaker 5 I want to interview, like, an extensive interview with each person individually because this needs like a Daisy Jones in the Six type of book written where you're interviewing every single member individually with no other person around.

Speaker 5 And they literally preface the entire book saying that everybody has a different perspective. So some of these things are, will be perceived differently.

Speaker 5 And then they tell the story from like an exact same situation from different perspectives. And some of them align and some of them don't.
And so that's what makes it really interesting, right?

Speaker 5 Because the same thing happened to multiple people. So I would be very interested to see, like,

Speaker 5 because that was the first time I had heard that the stepmom was in attendance at something with the dad.

Speaker 5 So I had only known that the dad was there present for some things that he was allowed to go to. I never even knew there was a stepmom involved.

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Speaker 6 I would love for the missing pieces for like the family participation to come together a little bit more and less on her because it seems like

Speaker 6 you know if we're gonna go with like what the A storyline is it feels like her relationship

Speaker 6 so it feels like it's gonna go from Ryan to Ken

Speaker 6 yeah but we shall see you know what I mean I would love to see the family side but I will say my last thought on this um when she said to ryan and look she gave him when he was like hovering and she said you're hovering i that she's everyone everyone with a significant other

Speaker 5 that was human that was that was um

Speaker 5 when she said but you know what he took it pretty well and she when he backed up and she was like thank you

Speaker 5 i feel like a lot of situations like that don't end that easily

Speaker 6 No, it's always like, what's your problem?

Speaker 5 What's your problem? I wasn't hovering. Like, it just becomes like, oh, well, maybe that's what they were actually, maybe that's why they actually fought and it wasn't actually about the dog.

Speaker 6 Oh, maybe. Like, maybe she was just like, I need space kind of thing because he is always like touching her and upping her shit.

Speaker 6 I'm also wondering when she's going to get her own phone because she keeps using his.

Speaker 5 She has her own phone.

Speaker 6 In the show?

Speaker 5 Yeah, the whole episode. She had her own phone with the pink phone case and they were on their phones at the same time.

Speaker 6 Am I dumb?

Speaker 5 Yes.

Speaker 6 Why is she always on hers? Or on his? Sorry.

Speaker 5 I don't know. They were sitting on the couch looking at dogs on their own phones and hers has like a glittery pink situation.
You know what?

Speaker 6 You know what?

Speaker 6 Now that you're saying that, it's jogging my memory. I think I was more so thinking about when she was like, why is the parole officer calling his phone?

Speaker 5 Well, because they wouldn't have had a number for her because she didn't have a phone while she was in prison.

Speaker 6 Right. But like update your phone number.

Speaker 5 I mean, but we, for all we know, she did and they're still calling because you know how often that happens. Like you have to update or like i kept asking

Speaker 5 why are they calling him to update your phone number

Speaker 5 to update your phone number on all things that are like you know what i mean so like maybe she updated it for like louisiana parole but not missouri or like you know what i mean

Speaker 6 yeah you're right she was looking yeah now now you're you're correct it just was like i need to know if they get a dog too maybe they'll get goats No, that's just you.

Speaker 5 Well, speaking of goats, when we get off this recording, I'm going to go take care of my babies.

Speaker 6 Your kids.

Speaker 5 When we get off this recording, I'm going to take care of my kids.

Speaker 5 Panini pressed. Oh, my God.

Speaker 6 Don't be panini pressed.

Speaker 5 Don't be panini pressed. My man's a chad.

Speaker 6 Or my man's a chad.

Speaker 5 I don't know. I'm here to go take care of my chad and make him a prisoner.

Speaker 6 Please let her know his thoughts.

Speaker 5 And a panini. And a panini.

Speaker 6 Pressed.

Speaker 5 Pressed.

Speaker 5 All right, y'all. Well, we'll follow back up with episode three.
Kristen and I are going to tackle that episode next week. So we, again, just to remind everybody, we're watching on Philo.

Speaker 5 I'm not sure where else it's available, but we watch on Monday nights. And you guys can check up there on the app.
Or I guess you can watch that on TV too, right?

Speaker 6 Yeah, lifetime.

Speaker 5 Lifetime, Gypsy Rose, life after lockup.

Speaker 6 Bye.

Speaker 5 See ya.

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