Life After Lock Up - So This is Freedom?

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Speaker 5 Welcome to the shit show. Things are going to get weird.

Speaker 5 It's your favorite villain, Kayla.

Speaker 5 And you're listening to Barely Famous.

Speaker 5 I might be the next one in prison. Can we do a delusional Thursday? It is a delusional Thursday, and I have Kristen back ready to attack.
And welcome, fuckers, to Barely Famous.

Speaker 5 Now we're covering the Gypsy Rose show on Lifetime.

Speaker 6 I wanted to watch this so bad, so I'm very excited.

Speaker 5 Love After Lockup, baby. Okay, I have several pages of notes, mainly just reactions, because

Speaker 6 oh, I have notes and questions as well.

Speaker 5 I also have reactions and questions, more than actual

Speaker 5 anything, right? Like, I don't have anything specific or

Speaker 5 what is the word I'm looking I don't have anything profound to offer. I just have a lot of questions.
I think I was left with more questions than answers, truthfully. Okay.

Speaker 5 So where do you want to start? Episode one is called,

Speaker 5 So This Is Freedom.

Speaker 6 Which after getting to the end of the episode, it was absolutely the quote that was said about like, you're not actually, she's not actually free

Speaker 6 makes so much sense now.

Speaker 5 I'm still stuck on the fact that the dad didn't try harder. Like I want to forgive him because he seems like a good guy now.

Speaker 5 And I think over the course of my years podcasting and on all of the shows, we've discussed to some capacity

Speaker 5 parents specifically being one person at one point of their lives. And then as they get older, mature, and just are better human beings on the later part of their lives.
I want to forgive her dad.

Speaker 5 And it seems like she's forgiven her dad, but I haven't forgiven her dad.

Speaker 5 and I'm still really upset that he didn't try harder to be a part of her life and I know that that's what was like a common theme in the episode. He says that you know he regrets not trying harder.

Speaker 6 So I had questions too because I can't remember for the life of me why he wasn't involved. What was the like what were the circumstances as to why he wasn't?

Speaker 5 So allegedly he tried to be involved, but Dee D Dee kept making it really hard for him to be involved and kept moving further and further away away.

Speaker 5 And then, slowly, I think, allegedly cut off a lot of the communication. I also think at some point he probably stopped trying, which is the same thing that my dad said, like my own dad said that.

Speaker 5 I don't know. Did you're not here to say otherwise? And if she was, would we believe her?

Speaker 6 Well, so I guess my question for that is, to what degree did you try? Did you get the law involved?

Speaker 5 Or did you get legal involved?

Speaker 6 Because it seems pretty cut and dry. I mean, I can name a few people that I know that would love to be able to cut off communication with people that they have children with.

Speaker 6 And that's just not allowed because of the legal system.

Speaker 5 Well, and there's a such thing as welfare checks, right? Like, I would imagine at some point you would have to wonder, like, is my child even okay at this point? You know what I mean? Like,

Speaker 5 obviously, we've all seen me not get along with my kids' dads at some point, right? But I know

Speaker 5 that

Speaker 5 if they didn't respond to me for,

Speaker 5 and I was supposed to get them, or I was supposed to have contact with them, or after a certain amount of days, I would be calling the police.

Speaker 5 I would be reporting at some point, missing person, kidnapping. I would be reporting something.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 6 So I couldn't remember for the life of me what that situation was, but I felt some of the same vibes. I felt like you're a good guy now, but where the fuck were you? Was exactly what I wrote down.

Speaker 6 So, you know, didn't really, I wasn't loving that situation.

Speaker 5 Also, what I noted too, he seems to be in a good place. He's clean-cut.
He has a nice home, a good wife. He had another child.

Speaker 5 All of those things further my questions about him because he says he has regret. But

Speaker 5 did you start reaching out once the media

Speaker 5 got involved here or immediately following Dee Dee's murder before the camera? Because obviously, she was going through some shit before the media got and got a hold of it, right?

Speaker 5 So, did you try reaching out to her before the cameras and all of the attention came? Or because I just

Speaker 5 am having a really hard time with that. Like, Eminem always said he would go to the edge of the Atlas for Haley, right? Like, where is that energy? Right.

Speaker 6 So, I am in agreement with you there.

Speaker 6 Very beginning of the episode, where they were interviewing Gypsy and she was still in prison. She said

Speaker 6 that she feels she has outgrown the prison version of herself

Speaker 6 and she wants her family to be proud of her. I literally, and this is a question I'm asking myself and everybody else.
Can you actually ever be proud of somebody who murdered someone else?

Speaker 5 I think I still stand on

Speaker 5 she did the only thing that she thought she could at the time. Obviously, hindsight is always 2020.
We know that. But at the time, I think this was her only solution.
This was her best. I also,

Speaker 5 she also said she doesn't want to be remembered as the girl who killed her mom or the girl that suffered from

Speaker 5 Munchausen by proxy.

Speaker 5 But

Speaker 5 in her specific scenario, it's not like me with teen mom, right? Like, you would think that I've done enough by now to not be remembered as teen mom.

Speaker 5 And I think that it's easier for me to get away from something like that.

Speaker 5 Whereas Gypsy, she can't be remembered for who she is without that attachment unfortunately the way that i see it yeah i didn't understand that part because i'm like you're forever in my opinion that label is always and forever going to be on you especially because she became a celebrity because of it right like no what no matter how you put it And I'm not talking shit.

Speaker 5 That's not me. I don't mean to say that in a derogatory or like mean way, but she became famous because of what she did.
And

Speaker 5 let me not even, I don't don't know, no, but it's right.

Speaker 6 It's what she did, who she did it to, and the circumstances surrounding what led to that happening.

Speaker 5 Yes.

Speaker 6 That was absolutely sensationalized. And she,

Speaker 6 you know,

Speaker 6 became known because of the situation.

Speaker 5 But then I just made the comparison to myself or maybe Chelsea from Team Mom. Chelsea from Team Mom can now be remembered as

Speaker 5 it's almost forgotten about that she was on Team Mom, right? Like she is from HGTV. She has her own like home stuff.

Speaker 5 I'm, I have had more people reach out saying, Oh, like, I listened to the podcast, right? But, like, I think it's a little bit different. That's how we started by doing something unfavorable, right?

Speaker 5 Like, we got knocked up in high school.

Speaker 5 But we could,

Speaker 5 anything that we do from here on out, we could potentially be remembered because there are people who are following us strictly because of what we're doing now.

Speaker 5 For her, anyone who follows her story is coming from the fascination

Speaker 5 of her murdering her mom, her mom.

Speaker 6 Definitely. And I think the majority of people are going to remember her from this forever.
I think that there are potentially, depending on what she chooses to do now

Speaker 6 and later, there might be people who have never heard of this, right?

Speaker 6 Like younger generations or something like that never heard of this entire situation, didn't follow it like we did, that might follow a project she's doing or might find out about something she's doing somewhere else.

Speaker 6 And it could be the same circumstance, right? Like, I know you from this, then maybe I go look you up and I see that you did this, this, and this, but that's not why I know you.

Speaker 6 I know you because like there's people now. It's like, I know you from TikTok.

Speaker 6 I don't know that you might have had a background doing something else for the last 10 years, but oh, I saw you on TikTok or I saw you because you're coming up on my Goodreads and I'm a huge book lover.

Speaker 6 So you just had Girthmaster on the podcast and he had absolutely no idea that you were on Teen Mom. That's not where he knew you from.

Speaker 5 Right. But I don't think it, I don't think, unfortunately, it's not fair, right? Like, life's not fair.
I don't think that Gypsy is ever going to have

Speaker 5 that because the second someone finds interest in who she is and why she has this mass cult-like following, they are going to look her up immediately.

Speaker 5 Because there has been times where people come up on my for you page, right? And I have no idea who they are, but they have a huge following. The first thing I do is Google who they are.

Speaker 5 So I think that she's going to have a harder time because there's such a fascination with what she did that there is no way to not know what she did.

Speaker 5 Where for me, I think it's, it's kind of like some of the unfavorable, like remember the naked horse pick, right? Like you have to dig for that, right? Like you have to fucking dig for it.

Speaker 5 I think teen mom now, as time goes on, yes, you're always going to be able to find it, but other stuff comes up first.

Speaker 6 Yeah, correct. And that's, that's basically what I'm saying.
Like, you know, you gained the following you gained at the time you gained it.

Speaker 6 And then I think it started up again when like the younger generation started being able to see the clips on TikTok, right?

Speaker 5 They were like, oh, weird. What is this?

Speaker 6 Exactly. They had no idea.
But so many people now know you from like tuning into your podcast because they're podcast listeners and they found a new one and it was one of yours, right? So

Speaker 6 so many people

Speaker 6 can find you that way. So I definitely think that it's a little bit different because

Speaker 6 you, while it may have been unfavorable, how you ended up gaining popularity, right? Like society says you're not supposed to get knocked up as a teen. Okay.

Speaker 5 Um

Speaker 6 that's not it's completely different than like a

Speaker 6 horrific crime.

Speaker 5 Agreed. Agreed.
Cause there's

Speaker 5 like there's gonna be some people in her circumstances where they don't feel like she deserves

Speaker 5 all of the things that came after that murder, right?

Speaker 5 Like where I think getting pregnant in high school is a little is slightly more forgivable, but then she also, like I said, this fascination that surrounds

Speaker 5 death and murder is-I mean, that's why there's True Crime, there's ID Channel, there's you know, 2020 Dateline, all of the, you know what I mean?

Speaker 5 So, it's a different kind of fascination, but I don't think that she'll ever be able to get away from the girl who killed her mom or the girl who suffered from Munchausen by proxy.

Speaker 6 No, I, and I do, you know, I do truly wonder,

Speaker 6 you know, obviously, depending on what she does, like, and this goes for like anybody that's a family member of someone who commits murder. This is like literally what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 Can your family ever actually be proud

Speaker 6 of you?

Speaker 6 Because I feel like that would for that would require a lot of

Speaker 6 like forgiveness, depending on the circumstances.

Speaker 5 I

Speaker 5 do think that you could forget, like, just coming from a mother's standpoint, like I look at my kids and if I mean, not that I knock on wood, I hope they never kill anyone by accident or by choice.

Speaker 5 A parent's love is supposed to be unconditional. And I don't think that I would not love my child because they killed somebody.

Speaker 5 Okay, valid. So

Speaker 5 I'm trying to think of other circumstances where we know of someone killing someone and then

Speaker 5 essentially still being accepted by their family. Like, who do we, who do, how, who have we heard of, right? Like, look at like Chris Watts, for example.

Speaker 5 Like, he still had this overwhelming fan club of women, right? And then they were absolutely delusional.

Speaker 5 It's different than like your family, but I can't honestly say that I would just not be proud of my son for other things. You know what I mean? Or my daughter, really.

Speaker 6 Interesting mom perspective, because for me, not having kids, right?

Speaker 6 In this specific situation with Gypsy,

Speaker 6 I feel like I agree with what you said. Like she didn't think she had any other option, right? But like, if I know someone that literally killed somebody in cold blood and I was like their sibling,

Speaker 5 me, look at me, for example. If I killed somebody, would you forgive me? Would you ever be proud of me for anything ever again?

Speaker 6 I don't know. That's my, I don't know personally.
And you know, I love you to fucking death, right? But I think it depends truly

Speaker 6 on the circumstances. If you told, if you turned into some psycho, absolute psychotic killer and just like were rampaging on the side and I found out about it,

Speaker 6 I don't know

Speaker 6 what the fuck I would feel.

Speaker 5 I truly think about what you just said, though. If I turned into a psycho and was rampaging, it's very different than the circumstances that surrounded Gypsy's case, yeah.

Speaker 6 And for her, I feel like you know, I think

Speaker 6 I don't think her family will struggle, but I'm just curious about other families, like, yeah,

Speaker 6 how you even get past that to then be able to get to the point of being proud of someone because there has to be a lot of healing that has to take place.

Speaker 5 But you know what?

Speaker 5 Didn't doesn't the bible or something say something about like only god can judge right like or all sins no sin is greater than the other

Speaker 5 would a thing be a father essentially not trying for their daughter like how as a child i would i would assume i think it i think a sin is pretty much like anything bad like sticking your tongue out at your parent is like a sin in some religions i guess i'm going to hell oh for sure i was going there before i even came out of the coochie like oh same like when my mom got pregnant with me, they were like, this one's, this one's a gut.

Speaker 5 This one is, this one's a gut.

Speaker 5 So, I mean, realistically, they can't say anything because none of them were there walking in the shoes that she was walking in.

Speaker 6 That is true. That is true.

Speaker 5 Immediately upon the conclusion, actually, by the time we got like 20 minutes in, it quickly became the Ryan show for me. Is his name Ryan?

Speaker 6 So I kept writing. I couldn't remember his name because it was that not memorable to me.
I kept writing husband, but I did go back and look. And his name is Absley Ryan.

Speaker 6 And I had the second note that I have down is how cool it was to watch the family prepare for her to be home. They're so excited.

Speaker 6 And all I notated was husband not really doing much, weird fucking energy.

Speaker 6 Kale, this

Speaker 5 husband is the weirdest,

Speaker 5 cringiest

Speaker 5 I think I've ever seen on TV. This is, and I'm going back to Teen Mom.
I seemed very cold and defensive in all of my relationships. I think Jordan, Joe, Jordan, Javi, Dom,

Speaker 5 whoever was on the show, seemed very cold because it's awkward to show that, for me, to show that kind of love on TV. Now, to watch it from a standpoint

Speaker 5 Ryan,

Speaker 5 I was so skeeved out. He didn't even give her a second to breathe.
Everything was, give me a kiss, give me a kiss, give me a kiss. When I stopped touching her,

Speaker 5 he didn't give her a second to just breathe in the fucking fresh air and just have a minute to herself.

Speaker 5 It's like she's literally gone from living with her mom and only knowing that to living with a bunch of people in prison and having meals provided for her and whatever else went on in prison to immediately going into this.

Speaker 5 And also, I do wonder what the reasoning was for her family not being able to participate in her pickup. Was it because it was so far away?

Speaker 6 So that I was confused on too. I was like, why?

Speaker 6 They made it explicitly clear that they had been waiting like the eight and a half years or whatever and Ryan had only been waiting three, but Ryan was the one to go get her.

Speaker 6 And I'm like, is it you're only allowed one person in the car to come get you? Like, is that

Speaker 6 maybe that was like a circumstance? I didn't know, but I also, I wrote that down because I was like, what the hell is going on?

Speaker 6 She also made a comment before she got out saying that Ryan's so different from her exes. And I wanted to ask you, because I can't remember, isn't she currently with a fucking ex?

Speaker 5 I believe she is, or she was going to be. Also,

Speaker 5 so we know that they were married in prison, right? So maybe because he was the spouse?

Speaker 5 It may be. Like legally, you know, because think about it, right? Like if you are only allowed one person and you're getting out of prison, you're going to pick Corey over your mom, right?

Speaker 6 I mean, it depends on the day.

Speaker 5 true true especially because of how close you and your mom are i would agree with that i think

Speaker 5 yeah i mean i would agree you're the closest thing i have to i mean i have a sister but you and i have always just been closer it would be hard for me to

Speaker 6 get me kind of thing right like i think that they all serve different purposes like looking in my life at like my mom is

Speaker 6 like

Speaker 6 I don't feel like I have to

Speaker 6 act any type of way with my mom. I have cussed her out.
She has seen me at my absolute worst, at my absolute best, everything in between. We've gone through all the fucking shit, right?

Speaker 6 And I think it's just such a different relationship and comfort. Like when I don't feel good, I want my mom.
When I, you know, I'm really upset, I want my mom first, Corey second.

Speaker 6 It's just how it is for me.

Speaker 5 So do you think that we can acknowledge that because we're on the outside?

Speaker 5 Because I do feel like, especially now that I'm 32, I can look at a situation and be like okay

Speaker 5 initially just because I mean I tell you more than I tell Elijah so I think initially just to have that comfort but also space I feel like I would call you first just because it's different and you've been around longer

Speaker 6 and just be able to be with no expectation like that's yeah I immediately I immediately felt the pressure on her to have sex with him yes I fucking notated that I'm like everything with him he's talking about the physical things like what in the is going on i'm touching her

Speaker 6 she specifically said um first of all first of all let's back the up for a second you're not getting in my pants after i got out of prison and you literally hand me a box while driving with my fucking wedding ring that you i couldn't wait to wear you couldn't even make it a whole production like later on i said most non-romantic way to give her the ring ring.

Speaker 6 What the fuck shit was that? That was the line that I wrote down.

Speaker 5 Like, you couldn't put something more special together for her for that. Like, I know she was excited about getting it, but she wasn't even asking that we know of.

Speaker 5 She wasn't even asking about it, right? Like,

Speaker 5 right. I think that getting out of prison was probably the only thing on her mind.
That was, it actually made me really upset. And it made me question all of his intentions.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 Because I just feel like he's fascinated more so with Gypsy Rose that killed her mom. Because he also, first of all, he was taking up, he was laying in the middle of the bed and she had like the egg

Speaker 5 face. And he was like laying and like caressing her.
And like,

Speaker 5 stop, please don't do that.

Speaker 6 And she said, I want to just be, and he kept fucking touching her. And I was getting so mad for her because I'm like, she just told you exactly what she needs and wants.

Speaker 6 And you're not respecting that. Like, it just felt, it felt gross.
I also felt extremely grossed out when he said on the phone, um, yeah, we're going straight to the hotel.

Speaker 5 I was disgusted. Like, why are you saying that to her family i just i can't that it pissed me off so and then yeah no it felt like the ryan show that's what it felt like so

Speaker 5 um

Speaker 5 i wrote down in here how does anyone prepare for a high profile release like this because they she got a phone call or he got a phone call for the prison and was like do you think anyone will follow you and things like that like how does the prison prepare for something like that because if people know of her release and he was to leave the prison like premises obviously people were following him and they did show that.

Speaker 5 So, how do you, what do you even do in a situation like that? Because you don't want to go directly home and have people follow you. But

Speaker 6 I was curious about that aspect because we have seen, we've been able to see, obviously, from this side, the media is able to get footage and clips of people being released, like high-profile people.

Speaker 6 So, for this one, like the way they literally did that shit at 3:15 in the morning to make sure that that didn't happen, I was like, okay, so then

Speaker 6 are the ones that we've seen pre-like staged essentially, or is that by chance? Because you'd think that all prisons would have the same roles.

Speaker 5 They don't, because they're private. Some of them are privately owned.

Speaker 6 I meant security-wise, like security on the outside.

Speaker 6 I would have assumed that like protocol is protocol. Like

Speaker 6 you're trying to be incognito when it comes to high-profile, right? So then I immediately was like, the ones that we've seen, was this stage? Was it on purpose?

Speaker 6 Like, how were they able to obtain that footage if this one was handled this way? But I totally hear what you're saying. It's because they're privately owned, it's probably different and whatever.

Speaker 6 But I just thought that was really interesting.

Speaker 6 And I also thought it was weird that no, so he went, he got her, he got out, no one followed him back to the hotel at all.

Speaker 5 Nobody was following him.

Speaker 6 So I will say the one was following them in the morning.

Speaker 6 They got to where they were shopping, and all of a sudden, there's paparazzi. And I'm confused because i'm like did y'all did someone call them

Speaker 5 they must have or maybe truthfully maybe

Speaker 5 maybe they did

Speaker 5 well that's what i was saying like did ryan because immediately in my head i was like oh my god i wonder if ryan called them because you have to think about production and editing right like we love lifetime obviously not saying anything about them but

Speaker 5 I could have done things while filming a show, like while we were filming Team Mom, I could have easily texted or called someone and said where you were going to be. You know what I mean?

Speaker 5 Maybe Ryan did it because I don't trust his intentions. Maybe Ryan

Speaker 5 did it.

Speaker 6 I was like, you are a shady motherfucker. So I notated that immediately.
I do want to say, and you could probably, you know, speak to this too, because you have kids with people that have

Speaker 6 other significant others now.

Speaker 6 I

Speaker 6 give so many kudos to Gypsy's stepmom.

Speaker 6 I said, stepmom should be an example for all stepmoms. She could have not wanted to have any parts of this shit and instead accepted her as her own and guided her through this journey.

Speaker 5 But see, I have a different perspective. And one of the things that I

Speaker 5 wrote was,

Speaker 5 I wrote, what are the feelings on dad and stepmom? He wasn't around now, but he's everywhere now. So this goes back to the conversation that we initially had about Gypsy's dad.

Speaker 5 Is she along for the ride?

Speaker 5 because

Speaker 5 of the media and the attention and the show and everything else or the second that they found out about this, were they notified and did they come running, or was it later on?

Speaker 5 I don't know how I feel about that.

Speaker 6 So, something was said, and I didn't write that part down, but it stood out to me. Something was that the stepmom had said, and I forget her name, to be honest.
I didn't write it down.

Speaker 6 She said that Gypsy

Speaker 6 told her that she was afraid that everyone was going to leave her after they heard everything. And she said, after the first day they were in court and heard everything,

Speaker 6 she said, like, we're not like, I'm not going anywhere, whatever, to her. And

Speaker 6 I just feel like, um, just from like people I know and the relationships they have with their stepchildren,

Speaker 6 there's, I don't think that there's many people that want to be associated with a murderer, regardless necessarily of like the,

Speaker 6 you know, it's not good attention. You're not getting good attention at all.

Speaker 5 But Gypsy is a murderer. Well, Gypsy is.

Speaker 6 She is now, but she wasn't.

Speaker 5 She always was.

Speaker 5 I see, I don't know. I never saw from the second I found out about this case, I was fascinated.

Speaker 5 And I said from the beginning on Coffee Combos, Lindsay and I both said she deserved to be free and not go to prison as long as she did.

Speaker 5 So I think there were more people torn when she was getting sentenced than there are now. Where I obviously there's always going to be people who think that she should have been in longer, but

Speaker 5 I

Speaker 5 my skepticism is saying that when they saw the outway of support versus

Speaker 5 hatred. Hatred,

Speaker 5 because initially we didn't really hear much from the dad and the stepmom. When

Speaker 5 her case first, first, first hit the media, we didn't hear anything about them.

Speaker 6 Trying to think back.

Speaker 5 I don't know if you see the dad appreciately, but I didn't even, this is the first time I'm hearing that she had a half-sister.

Speaker 5 I didn't know

Speaker 6 if we were accepting interviews at all. That feel, like, this, the three of them, I don't think we're accepting interviews at all.

Speaker 5 He's been interviewed before.

Speaker 6 I meant like initially, when you said, like, way back, like, we didn't hear about him. I don't think initially he was accepting.

Speaker 6 That

Speaker 5 makes me wonder. Why did you not accept it right off the bat? Why, why did you? It almost feels like they waited to see what the public opinion, with a court of public opinion.

Speaker 6 I definitely see your point. I just think that

Speaker 6 clearly for a bond to have been formed to the point of Gypsy referring to her stepmom as a mom, this is just my opinion, right? Like, this is her mom.

Speaker 6 She says that, and that they have like a good, a great bond, all this shit. There had to have been pretty significant communication while in prison.

Speaker 6 And after you did all the prison bride stuff, seeing how many of them like fell off with people outside of prison that didn't really continue communicating with them all the time, even down to family.

Speaker 5 But that's what I'm saying, Kristen. It's because of the media attention to it.
They were like, oh, we gotta,

Speaker 5 we gotta latch on. That's, I'm not saying that's the case.
I'm just

Speaker 5 my, my, my, my radar is just having that on alert because I'm not saying that's the case, but I would be curious to know how soon they were notified, involved, and all of that.

Speaker 6 I, I, I totally see what you're saying.

Speaker 5 Also, I had PTSD when the sound of Ryan turning off the GoPros with the beeps, I immediately cringed. I was like, uh

Speaker 5 PTSD.

Speaker 6 I think the thing with Ryan that

Speaker 5 truly

Speaker 6 really pissed me off, and

Speaker 6 I felt so many feelings about it. Did you catch the comment that he made about the sleep apnea mask?

Speaker 5 I wrote it down. I'm not like your mom.
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 6 And the look on her face. Well, first of all, the look on her face when he said what he said, and then when he he turned around and said, I'm not your mom.

Speaker 5 I was just like,

Speaker 6 my jaw dropped. I actually rewound it to rehear what he said because I was like, I couldn't have caught that right.

Speaker 5 What would you do? What would you even like? That's something that you don't get to ever speak up about. You don't get to speak.
You don't get to bring it up. You don't get to make comments.

Speaker 5 You don't get to make slick comments. You don't get to say anything.
Unless Gypsy Rose Blanchard brings it up her damn self, you don't get to even mention it.

Speaker 6 No, and that's exactly how I felt. I literally wrote down the not your mom joke feels extremely on purpose and mean.

Speaker 5 No, that's like bullying.

Speaker 6 It felt, and like this, just her reaction, I felt like really bad for her. I also thought it was wild.
And I don't know why I didn't think about this, but she did not know how to text.

Speaker 6 And I thought that was crazy. And I was like, what things, it made me think about like, what things are second nature to us that other people have no fucking clue how to do?

Speaker 5 Him letting her try a vape.

Speaker 5 Well,

Speaker 6 and I don't know the rules of parole, but I also was wondering, like, is that against parole?

Speaker 5 I actually thought that too, but I was like, if it's tobacco, probably not. But also, why would you even, because what if she decided she liked it and continues vaping? Like, why would you even,

Speaker 5 why would you even do that?

Speaker 6 It was just, I,

Speaker 5 never in a million years has Elijah looked at me. He quit, he quit vaping, thank God.
Um, he has never in a million years looked at me and said, do you want to try my vape?

Speaker 5 Because he went from cigarettes to vape to the little

Speaker 5 vape thing. He has never been like, Here, try my vape.

Speaker 6 No, Corey used to vape all the time when he was fake trying to quit smoking because I hated that he smoked.

Speaker 6 Never, ever did he ever ask me to try his vape. I would have lost my shit.

Speaker 5 Like, I just, I don't feel like that was appropriate. Also, he's a fucking Android user, so that's the number one

Speaker 6 huge wrote that down, huge red flag.

Speaker 5 Um, he drives a Cadillac. What does he do for a living?

Speaker 6 I, that I also don't know. I have no idea.
Um, I was really pissed off that it didn't really seem like her first comment that we can hear when she was getting released where the boots don't fit.

Speaker 6 I thought that was like a couple things I felt, right? So, I'm like,

Speaker 6 who the fuck brought her the boots? Because I immediately thought Ryan, and I'm like, you didn't even get appropriate stuff for your fucking wife. So now I also fucking hate you.

Speaker 5 I mean, the shoes absolutely should have been the correct size, right? Like wild clothes, you don't, you can't really, you can't really gauge.

Speaker 5 I don't, especially because if you get clothes too soon and then you lose weight or gain weight or whatever, and like things just run different sizes, okay, fine.

Speaker 5 But the shoes, like, you know, your fucking shoe size. So the fact that he did it.

Speaker 5 And also, if you're getting out at three or four in the morning, why are you giving her these like boots, knee-high boots, jeans, and a sweater? Why are we not doing like some sweats and some

Speaker 5 crocs? Like, let the girl be comfortable. She doesn't want to be dressed to the nines at 4 a.m.

Speaker 6 It felt, that felt so weird. I also was annoyed the day they left the hotel and he he kept saying, oh, it's cold.

Speaker 6 Do you not check the weather ahead of time? Because you also didn't bring her a fucking jacket.

Speaker 5 Because he's only worried about his damn self. You saw him put a jacket on.
Why didn't you think of one for her?

Speaker 6 And then I saw her end up with a jacket after they left the store, but she told the paparazzi she bought the boots.

Speaker 6 But I also think she bought the jacket there because I think he's a fuck and didn't bring her one.

Speaker 5 McDonald's needs to sponsor Gypsy Rose.

Speaker 6 I was so, I was just so bothered by that because I'm like, you're supposed to be her husband. You're the one that is going to get her.

Speaker 6 If you could not give her all the things that she needs, like to feel comfortable and prepared, then bow out. Be like, no, sorry, I'm not the one who can get her.

Speaker 6 Unless, again, it's like a legal thing. I have no idea.

Speaker 5 I want to know how she felt if she watched it back.

Speaker 5 Because Ryan was giving predatory to me.

Speaker 6 Yes.

Speaker 5 So I need to know, especially if they're not together now, like what this looks like for her hindsight. I feel like her release was so clouded by him.

Speaker 6 Well, he kept saying everything about him. I'm so excited.
This. I've been waiting three years.
Multiple times, he said that. I've been waiting so long.
It's not fucking about you, dude.

Speaker 6 You've been walking around the free world. I don't, I don't understand.
So,

Speaker 5 I quoted in my notes, it said, quote, she gets to live a normal life. I don't remember who exactly said that, but she'll never get to live a normal life.

Speaker 5 I don't know why anyone, anyone would suggest that.

Speaker 5 She literally went from lunchhousing by proxy, not having a relationship, like a real quality relationship with her dad, to going to prison for 10 years, to immediately getting in this relationship with Ryan, who, in my opinion, is not the best for her.

Speaker 5 And she became an overnight fucking celebrity. Like, people waited for her to get out of prison.
Nobody forgot about her in those 10 years that she was in prison. Like, not a single person.

Speaker 5 We were waiting for follow-ups. We were waiting for updates.
We were waiting for all of that. And even now, it's like she's a full-on celebrity.
So she will never live a normal life. Calm.

Speaker 5 We hope that she can live a calm life, maybe, but a normal life, where?

Speaker 6 The

Speaker 6 i would put her notoriety up there with like casey anthony

Speaker 5 yes but as a survivor like it's weird not the same i'm just saying like the same level of interest i would say how do we feel about

Speaker 5 the survivors that are also victims like i don't even know does it take away what she survived does she

Speaker 5 because i don't think it does i think that

Speaker 5 i truly think that i probably would have done the same situation I would have done the same thing in her shoes.

Speaker 6 I think being a survivor and,

Speaker 6 you know,

Speaker 5 a murderer,

Speaker 6 there both can exist. I think you see it clearly with her.
I think both can exist. And I don't think one

Speaker 6 should take away from the other, right? Like, I think that people are allowed to dislike what she did and not agree with what she did. And obviously, she served her time.

Speaker 6 We all recognized it. It was, yes, that is a a crime.
And then also now, like, support her on her

Speaker 6 healing journey.

Speaker 5 So be proud of where she's going.

Speaker 6 Yeah. I mean, I wouldn't, I don't know if it's like, like, I don't know if I'm proud, right? I'm very intrigued to see what she chooses to do.
Like, are you going to go down a good path or a bad path?

Speaker 6 Like, I look at her like she's. Like, the way I'm looking at her is like, she's literally a child.
Like, we've talked how many times about

Speaker 6 how

Speaker 6 being in the spotlight and doing certain things in the entertainment industry can obviously stunt your growth.

Speaker 5 It stunted mine.

Speaker 6 Exactly. Like, we've talked about that how many times.

Speaker 6 I feel like, and even her,

Speaker 6 I think it was her stepmom said she's making 17, 18-year-old decisions in the preview for next week's episode.

Speaker 6 I genuinely feel like she is so far behind in the social and like

Speaker 6 world

Speaker 6 capacity, that I hope she goes down the good path, but I think she's so impressionable, and I think that's probably why she ended up with fucking Ryan

Speaker 5 and then letting her ex back in, which was clearly a media attention grab.

Speaker 6 Clearly, so it's going to be so interesting. I would need to know your thoughts, seeing the full story play out about the Kansas City Chiefs game situation.

Speaker 5 Well, before we get there,

Speaker 5 I have to make a comment about all of these documentaries making

Speaker 5 they're literally using TikTokers and TikToks as references and footage to documentaries. This is, I cannot count

Speaker 5 how many

Speaker 5 docu-series, documentary shows are now using TikToks for that, right? Like the Johnny Depp one had it. This one had it.

Speaker 5 I know they call them mostly harmless. You'd use like Facebook

Speaker 5 stuff, but it's so, isn't that so crazy? Like how we've evolved in the social media world. Like, people are truly becoming journalists from their phones, like in the comfort of their own home.

Speaker 5 They're not going to school for it, they're literally following up, getting the documents, getting all the information, and then making a TikTok and then going on documentaries.

Speaker 6 It's crazy. I love it, honestly, because I follow.
I do too. I pay attention to so many of the people that were actually on like their clips got shown.

Speaker 5 I think I follow every single one of those people that their clips were shown.

Speaker 6 Yeah. And one of them started the journey with Gabby Petito.
And that's how I I saw my mother.

Speaker 5 Yep. And I was like, oh my God.

Speaker 6 Like, because I look at her page all the time and see, like, which crime she's covering, because she also covers a lot of crimes that aren't getting media attention at all.

Speaker 6 And I'm like, holy shit, I didn't know this was going on until I came to your page. So I think it's just really cool.
And I think, I think it can be extremely overwhelming, right?

Speaker 6 Like trying to absorb all the information that's out there. Of course, because it's, you know, it's a, it's a literal free-for-all.

Speaker 6 I don't think there's a lot of inaccurate information that gets spread around and then people think it's accurate, accurate just like the internet. But I think, you know,

Speaker 6 I'm actually super impressed with how many people I think found outlets and

Speaker 6 I don't want to say hobbies, new skills, new careers, all based off of social media. I think that that's so cool to me.

Speaker 5 That's so cool to me. In terms of the whole Kansas City Trailer Swift, whatever, I have a lot of feelings on it and I wrote a lot of notes down.
The first thing that I wrote down,

Speaker 5 no surprise,

Speaker 5 Ryan talking over the parole/slash probation information officer, fucking irritated. And he even went as far as trying to grab the phone from Gypsy.
He is toxic.

Speaker 5 He is not healthy for her to be around. And I'm not like,

Speaker 5 she's on a professional phone call.

Speaker 5 You don't get to talk over her, talk for her, and grab the phone from her.

Speaker 6 No, 1,000%.

Speaker 6 And then I literally said, why the fuck is the husband speaking while she's on the phone?

Speaker 5 What is wrong with him?

Speaker 6 What is wrong with him? I don't know.

Speaker 5 I also,

Speaker 6 you know,

Speaker 6 with that situation, that whole situation that played out about the parole thing, like taking it for the entire thing,

Speaker 6 I

Speaker 5 have

Speaker 6 that was like the,

Speaker 6 so to me, it was like the legal system is fucked all the way down from start to end, right? Like, also,

Speaker 5 did she have, did she originally have permission to do this? Because she says in the show, she had permission from her probation or parole officer, right?

Speaker 5 I know firsthand, I mean, just with the land stuff that I just went through,

Speaker 5 one person at the levy court told my realtor one thing and the same exact person told me another. So I know firsthand that that can happen.

Speaker 5 Is it a situation where the probation officer originally told Gypsy something?

Speaker 5 And that was wrong information,

Speaker 5 he or she was not actually allowed to give the permission and was trying to walk backwards, or was this an actual, like, she tried to get away with it, or like, you know what I mean?

Speaker 5 Like, I'm kind of looking at all angles of it. Was it actually a miscommunication, or was she just trying to get around it?

Speaker 6 I couldn't really tell. So, I definitely was like, okay, was this like a misunderstanding? She didn't understand what she was told initially,

Speaker 6 you know, whatever. But then I looked on it, looked at it out of like a different lens.
And I remember seeing the whole shit pop up about, like,

Speaker 6 oh, like, Gypsy Rose wants to go to the Kansas City game to meet Taylor Swift. Is she a stalker? Blah, blah, blah.
Taylor Swift should feel fear for her life. Like, I saw all these freaking things.

Speaker 6 And I was like, what in the hell is going on? Because, like, if this is the, if this is what's happening, what the fuck?

Speaker 6 But, like, there wasn't a lot of information made public except for she was asked to leave. I don't remember if it was the city or the state.
And I was like, what, how does that happen?

Speaker 6 Like, a state can just say you're not allowed to be there, like, and you've done absolutely nothing wrong. So, seeing it from this angle, I was like, time out! Like, what the hell is going on?

Speaker 6 It's clearly a communication issue.

Speaker 6 And at the point where the parole officer of the one state was arguing with the attorney about she has to go report to this other fucking state, and he's like, They're not even open until the third, she needs to report immediately.

Speaker 6 What the fuck does that mean?

Speaker 5 Well, the other thing, too, was

Speaker 5 the media outside of the show made it seem all related to Taylor Swift. Yes.
And like she was stalking Taylor Swift, but on the show, they only talked about the game.

Speaker 6 Yeah, had nothing to do with like so.

Speaker 5 Like, maybe it was that she would have been excited to see Taylor Swift, but not necessarily that she was going specifically for Taylor Swift.

Speaker 6 Right. Well, that's exactly what it was said in this side of it.
She said, I think what came out about it was

Speaker 6 she said that

Speaker 6 it would be cool to see her there, but she didn't know if she she would because of it conflicting with her tour schedule, like the games conflicting with the tour schedule, but it would be cool to see her there.

Speaker 6 But then I've got, I don't know if you picked up on this. There was a comment made

Speaker 6 by,

Speaker 6 I want to say it was this, I think it was Mia, the stepsister.

Speaker 5 Half-sister. Half-sister.
Sorry. Why'd they have to do her like that, though? Why'd they have to put half? We know.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I truly don't remember, but I was kind of confused because something was said in regards to

Speaker 6 she's doing what her mom trained her to do using celebrities. Did you catch that?

Speaker 5 No.

Speaker 6 Yes. So, and I was like, wait, what? Like using her position for celebrities or something like that.
And I was like, time the fuck out.

Speaker 6 I was very confused. I was like, wait, wait, wait.
And then they pulled up the,

Speaker 6 they pulled up things that the dad was like, when I was going through the stuff, or when we were going through the stuff, we found checks from celebrities.

Speaker 5 Um,

Speaker 6 we found all this stuff that was like being given to her because of the whole story of her being so sickly that her mom was portraying.

Speaker 5 So

Speaker 5 I somehow missed that.

Speaker 6 You have to go back.

Speaker 6 It was like towards,

Speaker 6 I think it was like before they got to the garage, like before they zoomed into the garage. I'm pretty sure it was right there, but I was,

Speaker 6 I caught it and I was like, I wonder if they're going to elaborate on that at all. And then they didn't.
And I was like, I wonder if it's going to be talked about through the rest of the episode.

Speaker 6 Like, I just, it didn't really.

Speaker 5 See, that furthers, now that you say that, that furthers my whole, like,

Speaker 5 the sister is probably envious of the attention.

Speaker 5 And I mean, that's what I, that's how I feel. And then the parents, I don't know, because that doesn't sit right with me.
Why would you say something like that?

Speaker 5 Especially why would you say it on camera?

Speaker 6 Well, I think the way that it came came out of the sister's mouth almost sounded like she was trying to provide a defense because they were asking the family, like, what do you think about her going to this game?

Speaker 6 And then something got brought up about like

Speaker 6 celebrities or something. And that's when she was like, She's just doing what her mom trained her to do.

Speaker 5 No, see, but still, that's not that's not a comment. That's not the first thought that I would have, that would have come to me.
If it, I don't know, that rubs me the wrong way.

Speaker 6 You got to go back and watch it because I was like, huh, interesting. Because I, I do wonder, like,

Speaker 6 I don't think, you know, she was in jail for what? She served eight years. I think it was eight and a half.

Speaker 6 You can't tell me that you did all the healing you need to do from what your mom did to you in eight, eight and a half years in jail.

Speaker 6 So I do wonder how many things she carried from there.

Speaker 5 I definitely, I think that she could have done some healing. I think she did.

Speaker 5 I do believe that she has taken full responsibility for her role. Yeah.

Speaker 5 But no, I mean, she was, she was,

Speaker 5 if you're only in prison for eight and a half years, but you suffered for,

Speaker 5 I mean, when did she, well, how old was she when she committed the crime? 16?

Speaker 6 Something like that.

Speaker 5 I mean, so it's going to take you

Speaker 6 double the time because

Speaker 5 healing is not linear.

Speaker 5 So

Speaker 5 it would take her at least 16 years to heal,

Speaker 5 probably more. So, no, she didn't do all the healing in prison.
Also, we know that the resources in prison to heal are limited, right?

Speaker 5 Like, everyone wants to cry that there's resources and rehabilitation and all of that, but we all know that that's not true.

Speaker 5 Like, they want it, but they don't ever actually, they don't always actually do it. Correct.
And

Speaker 6 I, there was multiple times that her decision making was like something was said about her decision making, including in the preview for next week. And I'm so curious, like,

Speaker 6 why that keeps being said? Because if we're talking about, you know, obviously the decision for her mom to be killed, obviously, terrible decision.

Speaker 6 But what decisions has she actually been able to make since she was locked up, since the rest of the time? Minus, because they said it in reference to her getting married in prison.

Speaker 6 The dad said, I wanted that to be her decision.

Speaker 6 And then the attorney brought up decision-making again. And he said, well, Well, now it's not just you guys like trying to help her.
She also has somebody on that end that gives their opinion as well.

Speaker 5 So she's truly never been able to make the only decision that she's been able to make on her own is getting married to Ryan.

Speaker 6 And I'm assuming killing her mom.

Speaker 5 But even that was with somebody else.

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Speaker 5 So, to be fair, I mean, she really hasn't, and I do think that she's at least a little bit stunted in terms of maturity and decision making.

Speaker 5 So she is making up for, I think the stepmom made a comment that you mentioned earlier, like she's making decisions, like younger decisions, but she's also trying to fit all of this freedom into one, you know, small timeframe.

Speaker 5 I think that being tied into a relationship, let alone a marriage, immediately following an almost 10-year prison sentence, sounds like a fucking nightmare. Like that sounds especially Brian.

Speaker 6 It sounds like a, and I hate to say this, like I'm fucking married, right? Like, and I don't look at my marriage like this, but you have expectations to uphold as a freaking wife, as a married person.

Speaker 6 It's not freedom, right?

Speaker 6 Like people seeking freedom, I would say, tend to not get married and tend to not get into serious relationships until probably later on in life because they want that freedom.

Speaker 6 They don't want to be tied to anything. They don't want to be tied down.
So I was.

Speaker 6 I never understood when it came out that she got married. I was so confused.
I was like, what in the hell is going on?

Speaker 5 i think this is also a conversation of when it sounds like a good idea when she's in prison right because she's in prison she's not fully understanding that she won't be able to like let's be honest right like when i got divorced I wanted to have sex.

Speaker 5 I wanted to be able to sleep with whoever I wanted. I wanted to be able to do whatever I wanted, right? Like I felt liberated.

Speaker 5 So coming out of prison, you would think, and I'm not saying my marriage was a prison, but you know, she should be able to do whatever she wants.

Speaker 5 But now she has expectations within the marriage itself.

Speaker 5 And I know Alex Cooper just did an interview on Call Her Daddy talking about she, you know, her husband that she got married to now

Speaker 5 wanted to build with her and have a life with her and get married and do all the things. And she felt like her independence was threatened.
And that's how I feel, right?

Speaker 5 Like I'm scared to actually commit to Elisha in that way because it makes me nervous about my independence and my freedom.

Speaker 5 And, you know, right now I can say, you know, truly, if I wanted to, you know, I don't care how you feel about this. I'm doing it anyway.

Speaker 5 Where if you're married, I I don't feel like you have that same freedom.

Speaker 5 So, I do think, in a way, she went from her mom, which was a prison, actual prison, and now she's with this really weird cringe guy.

Speaker 6 I

Speaker 6 want to hear your thoughts about the preview for next week because it like jumped so quickly. Like, it jumped so fast to a whole other dude, like a whole other dude.

Speaker 6 She's not ha, like, she's not happy, thinks she'd be happier somewhere else.

Speaker 6 Like,

Speaker 6 it seems like a lot of time passed, but I'm wondering how much time actually passed.

Speaker 5 I don't think there was a whole lot of time that actually passed, right? Like we're in June. She got out in December.

Speaker 6 Oh shit, you're right.

Speaker 5 The end of December at that. So really, she got out around Christmas time.
So she's had five months and we're in the beginning of June. So she's had January, February, March, April, May, five months.

Speaker 5 Whoa.

Speaker 5 So it couldn't have been that long.

Speaker 5 You know, between realizing, okay, you're married and then you're, I just, I wish

Speaker 5 Big Sister Kale wishes that she would have,

Speaker 5 and obviously not my best advice, but just coming from experience, I wish that she would have not married Ryan. And if she wanted to pursue the relationship and have a relationship with him,

Speaker 5 also, if she wanted to test the waters with her ex, what's his name, Ken?

Speaker 6 I think so, yeah.

Speaker 5 Um,

Speaker 5 if she didn't marry Ryan, it wouldn't have been as big of a deal because she would be able to kind of play the field. And if she wanted to be a little player, she could.

Speaker 5 If she didn't commit to anyone, right? Like, she wouldn't have had that commitment.

Speaker 5 I'm scared for her finances because now that they were married, anything that she acquired while they were married, is Ryan going to get half.

Speaker 6 Uh, probably

Speaker 5 she's gone through entirely too much in her fucking life to give give half of her finances over to this guy who saw an opportunity well so i have two things one the first one being with ryan and the marriage who do do we think that he pressured the marriage

Speaker 5 i mean regardless of

Speaker 5 him pressuring or her pressuring or whatever she was in prison to me yeah for sure i'm just genuinely curious on your opinion on that because

Speaker 5 Here's the thing, like, you know, I talked to someone in prison for six months and we were telling each other we loved each other, right? Like in prison, it's all fucking hunky-dory.

Speaker 5 At the end of that six months, I was over it. So I just don't understand.
Like, I guess I can't understand that. How long were they had they been talking in prison? And like, what was that?

Speaker 5 Like, what was the situation for them to get married, I guess? Yeah, you're right. Like, who brought it?

Speaker 6 I just want to know because she's clearly impressionable. Right.
And like, you're the same, like, you're the same thing. There was a point in your life where if someone was like, will you marry me?

Speaker 6 You would have been like, fuck yeah, sure.

Speaker 5 1000%.

Speaker 5 That's why it's so easy for me to say all of these things because I've already been, not that I've been through prison and I didn't kill Susie, but I feel like in terms of like decision making and like the attention and

Speaker 5 all of that, I feel like it's, I'm speaking from experience. I have been that way.
I'm easily, I mean, you even said it earlier on a different meeting today, was like, you're easily easily baited.

Speaker 5 And I am. Yeah.

Speaker 6 I'm intrigued to see what happens with that. And then also, did you, I want to know the backstory on Ken the X?

Speaker 6 Because did you see the dad say he was pointing pointing at someone and he said if she gets back with Ken it's your fault?

Speaker 5 No, also an ex when was he while they were in prison?

Speaker 6 I don't know.

Speaker 6 I don't know, but I could have sworn from what I saw, and again, I don't believe everything I see in media, but I could have sworn that when this news broke online, which I don't think was that long ago,

Speaker 6 it was

Speaker 6 he was referred to as an ex

Speaker 6 and clearly had to be an ex because Ryan Ryan knew about him. Because in the preview, he said, Oh, just go

Speaker 6 back with Ryan or something, or go back with Ken. You're already probably talking to him anyway.
And then she started bawling her eyes out.

Speaker 5 So

Speaker 5 I wonder where he fell. I guess it has to have been in prison, right?

Speaker 6 I mean, I would assume so, unless this was like an ex-ex from prior to the murder.

Speaker 6 Hmm.

Speaker 6 I don't know. I'm very intrigued.
I will say on Lifetime's end, I've really enjoyed the

Speaker 6 filming of it.

Speaker 5 Oh, yeah, I think Lifetime did a fantastic job covering all of this and getting all the stuff. I think this is definitely groundbreaking on their end because who else has ever done anything like this?

Speaker 6 No, I mean, this would have been a really good idea to do to Casey Anthony.

Speaker 5 That's what I was just about to say. Like, they never did, nobody ever thought about it, right? Like, I don't know if it's because

Speaker 5 she got to go right back into society, really. I mean, I don't know if they they like hit her for a while, but even if they would have done a show or something, I wonder how that would have been.

Speaker 5 But I think it was a little different because she was a baby killer.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I am intrigued. It kept my attention.
Definitely going to keep watching because I just need to know like what

Speaker 6 is going on. I also wonder how many episodes

Speaker 6 are in this season.

Speaker 6 Eight, ten?

Speaker 5 Well, that's a really good question. That's a really good question.
I would be curious. If this happens over the course of like eight episodes, that's a wild ride for five months.

Speaker 6 That's why I said like, what in the I'm so just like, I know people move fast, but damn. And she did say like she doesn't doesn't have much of a sex life to speak of.

Speaker 6 And that's why, again, like, why are you getting married in prison? You're already committing to a dick you've never experienced.

Speaker 5 I just

Speaker 6 like,

Speaker 6 why would you do that?

Speaker 5 They definitely didn't have conjugal visits in

Speaker 5 Gypsy Rose's prison.

Speaker 6 Yeah, no, because because he wouldn't have, I don't think he would have acted. I don't know what he would have done, but if they were having conjugal visits, he didn't need to

Speaker 6 come off like the perv that he came off like.

Speaker 5 He definitely came off as a perf, 100%.

Speaker 6 Yeah, it's not looking good for Ryan. I would really appreciate him like being gone probably by like next episode.

Speaker 6 I could do without him.

Speaker 5 He's off the show. He's fired.
Imagine.

Speaker 6 I mean, one can hope that I'm very curious to see what other people's thoughts are on him because I didn't like him. I didn't like him from the moment he was on camera.

Speaker 6 Like, he's hovering around while everyone else is doing stuff. I already don't like you.
Like, you should be so pumped. I also, I wanted to circle back there.

Speaker 6 If her parents' house was so far away from where she was in prison at,

Speaker 6 like, 13 hours or something, why the fuck was he at the parents' house before picking her up?

Speaker 5 Filming.

Speaker 5 Mm. Okay.

Speaker 5 But why didn't the family go to her?

Speaker 6 Maybe they don't have a house.

Speaker 5 Who?

Speaker 6 Like, maybe Ryan and Gypsy didn't have a house.

Speaker 5 Well, where the fuck was he living then? His car?

Speaker 6 Maybe an apartment.

Speaker 5 But so what? Why can't they go to an apartment?

Speaker 6 Maybe it's not big enough. I don't know.

Speaker 5 Like, it just, it just feels weird. Like, there's something off about everybody involved.
Like, I just, I feel like this is, like, an intention. Like, I don't know.

Speaker 6 I'm intrigued. I also want to see how many people think that the family think like you do, like, about the family.

Speaker 5 I also

Speaker 5 crazed. Well, because I have a friend, right? Who

Speaker 5 I told this story, right? Like, he

Speaker 5 was, this, this friend of mine was, we were cool.

Speaker 5 Um, we, we were friends, but we weren't

Speaker 5 best friends until I got on 16 and pregnant.

Speaker 5 And now all of a sudden, you want to meet up with me, you want to do this, you want to, you know, you're coming to hang out, you're driving two hours to hang out with me.

Speaker 5 And it was, it just, in hindsight, I'm like, wow, like we never hung out outside of school

Speaker 5 until I got on a show. And it wasn't until we fell out that I realized, oh my God, you, we never hung out before I got on the show.

Speaker 5 We were cool, we were friends in school, but there's school friends and then there's outside friends. You know what I mean? Like, there's so I do think that it's a little weird.

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Speaker 6 I've never understood, in your your situation how anybody could ever come into that and actually be like, oh my God, I want to get on this show, like with Kale.

Speaker 6 I've never, and that's no knocking, I'm not knocking anybody. I'm just saying, like,

Speaker 6 I would rather,

Speaker 6 I don't even like take 27 pills at one time

Speaker 6 than ever film ever again.

Speaker 5 I,

Speaker 5 it's weird because I had friends that were eager to film at first until they understood the process and then also they got their attention and kind of were like over it. They didn't make it a point to

Speaker 5 keep asking or like yeah, once they got kind of got a taste of it, they weren't like eager, as eager to do it. Like it didn't, it wasn't as big of a deal.

Speaker 5 It wasn't as big of a deal as they thought it would be.

Speaker 6 And then you had friends that were absolutely obsessed with it.

Speaker 5 Oh yeah, I had certain friends like like the one that I just described, for example. If they mentioned filming, this person would would come under any circumstances.

Speaker 5 I remember specifically, I had a friend from high school.

Speaker 5 I love her. Her and her family did so much for me.
And she,

Speaker 5 she was like, Kayle, I, like, I'm sorry, but like, I cannot accommodate your filming schedule. Like, I cannot do it.
I won't do it. And to the point where they, MTV then had to ask for money.

Speaker 5 offered to pay her so that she would make accommodations in her schedule. But like, I don't blame her.
Like, it's not convenient. It wasn't convenient.

Speaker 6 Oh, I remember when that happened to me too.

Speaker 5 Did they offer to pay you too?

Speaker 6 Oh, yeah. After like 17 times of me saying no, I wouldn't film, they thought giving me money was going to make me film.
And I said, still no.

Speaker 5 Like,

Speaker 6 you cannot pay me to film this fucking shit.

Speaker 5 You also have to pay taxes on that. So, absolutely not.
It's not worth it.

Speaker 6 That's a whole conversation for a different day, but it's not. It's like.

Speaker 5 That's a whole conversation for an entire life.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 6 That was, yeah. That you just, I, I don't know.
It's intriguing to see people like it and people don't. Like, I don't, you know what I mean?

Speaker 5 I'll be, I don't know.

Speaker 5 I'll be curious to see if they do a season two of this, who sticks around for the filming, who doesn't, who, because also with the distance between Gypsy and her family, how do you film?

Speaker 5 Like, does Gypsy move to be closer to them? And then, what is that? What does that look like for? Because is she officially divorced?

Speaker 6 I don't know. All I saw, all I know, I didn't see anything public about that.
All I saw public was the stuff about

Speaker 6 Ken. And then on the previews for next week, she said that she told him that she's going to be wanting a divorce.

Speaker 6 Not Ken, Ryan.

Speaker 5 That scares me for her because I just need to know about the finances. I need to know if she had a prenup.
I need to know about all of that.

Speaker 6 Well, I want to know how much money she was able to

Speaker 6 make and keep for herself while she was in prison.

Speaker 5 I want to know also because are you allowed to make money while you're in prison?

Speaker 6 That's, I don't know, because I truly don't know. I think that in certain prisons, you're only allowed to have like so much money on your books or something and like only have so much money coming in.

Speaker 5 Well, and then you have to, you run the risk of like asking in a having like a custodial account or some sort of like joint account.

Speaker 5 Could they put it in that or could they withhold your payment until you're out of prison? Like, I wonder how that, like, did she have anyone negotiating on her behalf?

Speaker 6 I would, I would hope. I don't know many companies just for tax purposes that would

Speaker 6 not not issue payment for that many years. Like, I think maybe like 30 days, you could like 30 to 90 days potentially.

Speaker 6 But for business accounting, like not having your shit paid by the end of the year is like horrific, honestly.

Speaker 5 Kristen and I watch Gypsy Bros Life After Lockup on Lifetime. We watched through Philo and the episodes air on Mondays.
So we'll be curious to follow up about episode two.

Speaker 5 And I want to know how many of you guys are watching or plan to watch because this is fascinating.

Speaker 6 If you're not watching, watching, start watching now.

Speaker 5 Yes. Thank you so much, Kristen, for collabing on this with me and recapping all of Gypsy Rose's life.

Speaker 6 Anytime. Anytime.

Speaker 5 Thank you. We'll talk to you guys later.
Bye. See ya.

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