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Speaker 7 Welcome to the shit show. Things are going to get weird.

Speaker 7 It's your fae villain, Kale Lower.

Speaker 7 And you're listening to Barely Famous.

Speaker 7 Everybody wanted Kristen, Miss Kristen, Korea Hook back, Miss Kristen Hook, really,

Speaker 7 back for a barely famous episode. And since we're not friends anymore, I figured that I would give you another opportunity to come on and share your updates.

Speaker 6 Oh, thank you for having me.

Speaker 6 I forgot we're not friends. Right.

Speaker 6 Shit.

Speaker 6 You're like, ah.

Speaker 6 I don't know who fills up my phone calls all day, but okay.

Speaker 6 I love your shirt.

Speaker 7 Thank you. This is Stay Golden, the Golden Girl.
They've added Golden Girls to Disney Plus, which I'm super excited about because I can only go to sleep to happy shit.

Speaker 7 I don't want to go to sleep like scary shit because I'll have it.

Speaker 6 That's always literally been you since I've known you.

Speaker 6 You've always been like, I don't care that you're watching this, but before you go to bed in the living room, please turn on like friends or something.

Speaker 7 And I'm like, I cannot wake up at two in the morning to go pee

Speaker 7 and there is someone getting butchered on my screen. Like I just, or waking up to like screams and things like that.
Like I have enough

Speaker 7 horror in my own real wake life that I don't need to go to sleep to it as well.

Speaker 6 Corey thinks that it's like actually a problem that I could go to sleep to like a triple homicide.

Speaker 7 Oh, I can absolutely fall asleep to it. I just don't want to wake up and see it.
But yeah, like a triple homicide murder going down for sure.

Speaker 6 Like you just roll over and you start snoring and I don't understand because I'm looking at the screen no matter how tired I am and I'm terrified what's on the screen and you're sleeping.

Speaker 6 I'm like you should be scared.

Speaker 7 We are not the same.

Speaker 6 We're not the same.

Speaker 7 So what's been going on in Kristen's world? Tell us, give us an update on all the things. People want an MS update.
They want a health update. They want a Corey and Kristen update.

Speaker 6 So let's talk about it. So we'll start, I guess we'll start with health update.
So I've been going and seeing a bunch of doctors because it, before this whole like possible MS situation happened,

Speaker 6 for those that don't know, I was already dealing with health stuff and I had like low iron. They're trying to figure that out and all my vitamins were all out of whack and all this crazy stuff.

Speaker 6 So been going to a bunch of doctors. I don't have an update on the MS situation yet because I, I'm going to get yelled at for saying this.

Speaker 6 I've not given myself the time to call the MS Center to make the appointment with the MS specialist for the whole second opinion.

Speaker 6 So, everyone in my personal life, including Miss Kaylin Ray Lowry, is not happy with me at all.

Speaker 6 I will do it.

Speaker 7 You have some fear with it, too.

Speaker 6 I have

Speaker 6 valid. Because right now, I don't know for sure, right? Like, it's not for sure.
It could be, it could not be. Things are pretty steady.
Things are pretty fine.

Speaker 6 Like, for everyone asking about my eye, I haven't had any

Speaker 6 more progress with my eye. However, everybody keeps reminding me that it just happened in February and it can take like a year.

Speaker 6 It's frustrating, but I just, that's the only thing, right, that I have going on right now. So I am living in like a would rather not know at this exact moment.

Speaker 7 But that comes with, I think, too,

Speaker 7 some people might love to have a diagnosis right away because they, it, they can process that sooner.

Speaker 7 But I think there's, if you're, if you're just getting a second opinion because you're not entirely sure, like some are saying yes, some are saying no, I think maybe when you process that, you'll be able to accept it.

Speaker 7 For you, might be an easier acceptance than like diving headfirst into, yes, I have it. And now I need to accept it.
Cause it's still very possible that you don't have it.

Speaker 7 And I think that's like the limbo area for you.

Speaker 6 Well, and it seems, I don't even think that I've truly processed the hospital,

Speaker 6 if I'm being completely honest.

Speaker 6 Yeah, that was like just like the wildest shit ever. And I really came out of the hospital and like just went right back to like life.

Speaker 6 I just literally, like, as if it never occurred. And I just don't think that I really entirely processed that.

Speaker 6 But then also having to go see all these other doctors for all these other things has been,

Speaker 6 you know,

Speaker 6 I,

Speaker 6 if once I ever get healthy or back to a good health, I will never take my health for granted again because

Speaker 6 the way that I just never thought about it

Speaker 6 until all this shit started going wrong. And I say, like, just started, my hematologist confirmed that, like, I have been iron deficient

Speaker 6 for at least five years.

Speaker 7 Which is crazy that nobody said anything to you before this. Like, that is.

Speaker 6 I never, the, my old, I wasn't good about going and getting my yearly physicals. I just went in.
I was like, oh, whatever. Like, it's fine.
I'm young. Who cares? Um,

Speaker 6 and my, once I finally did get blood work, they just never told me because the last time I got blood work was 2019. And then we were in the middle of COVID right after that.

Speaker 6 So it was just a disaster. I didn't go anywhere to get blood work.
Nobody, I just got so used to feeling like shit.

Speaker 6 And when I thought back about it after I talked to my hematologist, and I was like, when was the last time I didn't feel this way?

Speaker 6 Kayla, I literally couldn't tell you. It's been like eight years.

Speaker 7 But that's normalized here in America.

Speaker 6 That's normalized. Yeah.
It's like

Speaker 6 part of the problem.

Speaker 7 And every single thing is tied to weight. Every single thing.

Speaker 7 Like, there's not one single time that I've been to the doctor that they're like not tying something to weight, which is really frustrating because obviously.

Speaker 7 We want to be able to do something about it, right? But like at the same time, our

Speaker 7 everything that we eat is poisonous. So like, what are we supposed to do?

Speaker 6 No, it's, it's so hard. It's such a disaster.

Speaker 6 And then, hearing from doctors literally sitting there telling you, like, oh, like, you eat all the things, but our food is like not high enough in iron anyway. And it's not high enough in B12 anyway.

Speaker 7 You see, um, there was this, I watched a TikTok the other day. I might have sent it to you.
If not, I'm going to send it to you. And this girl was talking about, I think it was like,

Speaker 7 what's rheumatologist? Is that like

Speaker 6 rheumatologist is for autoimmune diseases? So like

Speaker 6 autoimmune, like all those things.

Speaker 7 She said that she went to the doctor and she was telling the doctor that she was getting ready to move out of the country.

Speaker 7 And the doctor said that the doctor in the US said that that is best case scenario for her to heal.

Speaker 6 You sent me that. Yes.
No, 1000%. And I believe it because the stories that I've seen of people leaving this country and going somewhere else for their health.

Speaker 6 and like how far they come in like recovery and getting healthy and all those things. It's It's so crazy.

Speaker 6 I just like don't know when the count, like, our country is going to actually do something about it.

Speaker 6 They're never going to. It's really, like, that's really hard.
Um, I also

Speaker 6 feel like a sick person, right? Like, because I have to go to all these doctors and they all want blood work and they all want vitamins and they all want all these things.

Speaker 6 I can't imagine like being actually sick with a disease or something like how those people feel or battling cancer or anything like that. It's that does something.

Speaker 6 Like, that does something to your mental health. I don't give a fuck what people say.

Speaker 6 It's just like all of a sudden, you went from like never having to go to the doctor to you're always at the freaking doctor.

Speaker 6 And, like, I truly, you know, I'm grateful to have the jobs that I have because not everybody is able to just be like, oh, I have a doctor's appointment.

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 6 You know, so I'm super grateful for that because

Speaker 6 I don't,

Speaker 6 people don't prioritize healthcare for that reason alone.

Speaker 7 Oh, 100%. Because I mean, especially if you add kids to the mix, right? Because you're already taking off like a paid, paid time off or sick days for your kids.
So that's, you know, an issue.

Speaker 7 But then for you, like, Corey, you just got done texting me this morning about like, I mean, your job is differently. That's what, different.
That's why I'm not including you specifically, but like.

Speaker 7 Other people, I can see he can't even prioritize things because he doesn't have enough days in the year.

Speaker 6 Like his job actually, it's crazy because his job just started letting people,

Speaker 6 and I think it's a day, it's only for his day shift people at his job.

Speaker 6 Um, if you have to go for a doctor's appointment or something, they'll let you like you'll go to work, you'll leave, you have to get a doctor's note, you come back.

Speaker 6 Okay, like they just started that, which I think is phenomenal, but like that's the bare minimum. Like, there shouldn't, that isn't even be a thing.

Speaker 7 That shouldn't be a that, like, that shouldn't be a 2024 thing. That should have been like, always.

Speaker 6 So, I know people who literally have told me at their jobs, if they say, like, oh, I have to be off, like, they could literally pre-plan an appointment or a procedure months in advance.

Speaker 6 And their person, like, their HR, whoever will come to them, their boss will come to them and say, Actually, you're gonna have to reschedule.

Speaker 6 First of all, it's illegal as fuck, as far as I know, it's illegal. However, it happens all over the place, it is so common.
And I'm like,

Speaker 6 my mom knows people that this has happened to.

Speaker 6 So it's really insane to me.

Speaker 6 I just, it is, I mean, it's just not con this sounds horrible, but you'll get what I'm saying. It's not convenient to be, to have health issues to any degree, no, at all.

Speaker 7 Like, there's also just not, it's not convenient to prioritize your health at all in general. Like, you can't go to fucking

Speaker 7 like a yearly appointment to keep up with your health so that you get ahead of something because you can't even do that. It's like, here, we're going to give you 10 days, you know, for the year.

Speaker 7 That doesn't even cover one day a month.

Speaker 6 No, it's absolutely insane. And then I,

Speaker 6 it's like, that's kind of like the update on that stuff. I did get testing done for autoimmune diseases.
So, like, lupus and all these things.

Speaker 6 Something came back high as far as like indicating that I have a high level of inflammation in my body and also that I probably have some type of autoimmune disease, which MS is an autoimmune disease, but there's also like literally hundreds of others.

Speaker 6 Okay. One particular antibody came back high,

Speaker 6 like positive for that antibody. It's called like anti-scleroderma antibodies.
So I read up all about that because I'm me. Yeah.

Speaker 6 And that was, if I had to pick between MS and having like scleroderma, I would have picked MS.

Speaker 7 What is scleroderma?

Speaker 6 Um,

Speaker 6 if I have the understanding properly, it really, it affects like um your skin, your

Speaker 6 really a lot of your skin. I think it goes into your muscles and things like that, but it literally, like,

Speaker 6 there's people on TikTok that have it and they talk about it. So, like, I don't want to butcher this, but one of like the key, I don't have any of the outward symptoms, right?

Speaker 6 I don't have skin thickening, I don't have skin tightening, I don't have things like this, but like there is someone on TikTok that I started like seeing her content, of course, like the phone's listening, and the your mouth actually starts to completely shrink, like the opening of your mouth, because you can't, it tightens so much that it starts affecting like oral care, trying to eat, swallow things.

Speaker 6 Like, that is like the bare minimum that it can affect.

Speaker 6 It's horrific what scleroderma can do to people. So, I, of course, like, went back to the doctor because no one said anything to me when I got the results.
I'm like, hey, like, what the fuck is this?

Speaker 6 And they told me,

Speaker 6 yeah.

Speaker 6 They said, uh so that i talked to my hematologist about it

Speaker 6 and she was like i could go pull

Speaker 6 50 people off the street and half of them would have the same blood work you do and not have anything wrong because that specific antibody test is notoriously inaccurate oh like the lead test saga that we dealt with yeah and i just why are we and i said why are we doing inaccurate like we're continuing to do inaccurate testing why not just go for the accurate version then?

Speaker 6 Well, so I said to her, I was like, What do you,

Speaker 6 so what does that mean? And

Speaker 7 our insurance is covering an inaccurate test that is not going to benefit us in any way, but won't cover the things that we actually need and that are accurate.

Speaker 6 Correct. Okay, got it.

Speaker 7 Just so that we're, I just wanted to be clear.

Speaker 6 So that was wild. Um, I was very happy to see that I didn't have lupus because that has been suspected quite a few times, like even when I was younger, but I never really like went further in it.

Speaker 6 It was just like mentioned in passing, and then I was fine. So nobody like looked further.

Speaker 6 So I was a little concerned about that because I know that one's also like, I don't think there's any autoimmune disease that is not like gnarly on your body. Like, it's,

Speaker 6 I think, at the point where your body starts attacking itself in any way, shape, or form, it's, it never is good. So I have to, as far as the plan right now,

Speaker 6 my iron came up from the iron infusions. Thank God.
Okay, so like those were a little bit rough.

Speaker 6 but I feel so much better. Like I feel, it took time.
Yeah. Which they said, like it was going to take time.
My numbers came up. So now we're just making sure they don't go back down.
Okay.

Speaker 6 In the meantime, I'm supposed to get a colonoscopy and an endoscopy at the same, like

Speaker 6 the same time, but like not the same time. Right, right, right.
Because I,

Speaker 6 what you're laying down? Because Corey said to me, he goes, you're going to get spit roasted. And I was like, double-fisted.
Excuse me?

Speaker 6 So I asked the doctor when I was, she was telling me all about it. When I saw the GI doctor, I was like, okay, so,

Speaker 6 like, are you touching tips or

Speaker 6 no? And she's like, absolutely not.

Speaker 7 We don't do that here.

Speaker 6 I said, I just had to confirm because the sound of that sounded terrible.

Speaker 6 So I'm supposed to get that done. I'm scheduled for right before vacation and I'm going to postpone it because I don't want to find out anything bad.

Speaker 7 Rightfully so. And truly, like,

Speaker 7 just enjoy your vacation. Like, just enjoy your time with your husband.
And, like, yeah, you don't need to be worried.

Speaker 7 I think you'll be anxious, but like, also, enough time has gone on that you're like, I just, I feel like for you in this whole scenario, it has been like

Speaker 7 helpful to not know right now.

Speaker 6 Kind of, yeah.

Speaker 6 Well, because I already know enough is wrong. Does that make sense? Like, yeah, and like, I already know enough is wrong, and I'm working on fixing those things.

Speaker 6 And it is so much harder for me to process that I'm supposed to be fixing this shit and potentially having to deal with other shit on top of it. That's just how my brain works.

Speaker 6 So, I think, like, once it's confirmed that, like, my B12 is up, and I don't need any more B12 shots, and that my iron is stabilized, and that's fine. And I get the colonoscopy out of the way.

Speaker 6 We figure that out. Like, let I have to just be able to go step by step.
And, you know, you've been good about it. I know that you're not thrilled.

Speaker 6 I haven't gone to the doctor yet, but I have other people in my life, like my mom and Corey, and everyone gets like so mad at me. And I understand because I've been on the other side of this.

Speaker 6 I've been on the other side of someone being sick and needing to get testing or wishing that they did because they passed away instead. I've been on that side.

Speaker 6 But

Speaker 6 until you're on this side of it, it kind of only matters, in my my opinion. Like the person going through it needs to heal and like

Speaker 6 be able to process, right?

Speaker 6 It's not like there's a suspicion. Well, they're doing the colonoscopy to make sure I don't have colon cancer because the colon cancer rates in people our age are and younger are fucking skyrocketing.

Speaker 6 Yeah. I have a family history of it.
So like they want to double check because some a lot of people are presenting and have zero symptoms. So like we have to double check, right?

Speaker 6 Totally appreciate it. That's fine.

Speaker 6 But right now, there's just not any type of high suspicion that anything going on with me is like cancer related.

Speaker 6 Obviously, if someone looked at me and was like, hey, we need you to do this stuff because we think that this could be a very real possibility, I would suck it the fuck up and I would get the shit done.

Speaker 6 But knowing that it's like, if I find out I have MS, the only thing that's going to happen is potentially they'll start me on a medication to

Speaker 6 basically prolong the time that I would stay in remission and not have further damage occurring in my brain, but there's no cure for it.

Speaker 7 Okay, so it's kind of like when people go on medicine for like Alzheimer's to

Speaker 7 hopefully slow down the progression.

Speaker 7 For you, it would be like hopefully increasing the amount of time between

Speaker 7 what they call it, like an episode.

Speaker 6 Like relapses. Relapses.
Because there's so many different kinds of MS, but the most common type is relapsing, remitting. Okay.

Speaker 7 So is that similar to lupus? Like lupus has like the remote.

Speaker 6 So because it can go dormant, right?

Speaker 6 Like, so essentially it like lays dormant in your body until something activates it, which is kind of why they're a really fucking stupid question, but is that sort of like HIV, too?

Speaker 6 I think that can also kind of, because when it's HIV before it turns into AIDS,

Speaker 6 you know, they can keep it

Speaker 6 kind of like it's not a fact,

Speaker 6 it's not um

Speaker 6 active,

Speaker 7 yeah, because I know

Speaker 7 my uncle's lived lived with it for a really, really long time, like

Speaker 7 probably as long as I've been around.

Speaker 7 And I feel like

Speaker 7 it wasn't active. Like, I don't know if active, so I wonder if it's the same.

Speaker 6 He probably took immunosuppressants so that it didn't progress. Like, that's what that is supposed to do, so that it didn't progress.
Essentially, it would be the same.

Speaker 6 So, MS has a ton of different medication options. Every single one of them suppresses your immune system because it's your immune system being overactive that triggers the progression of the disease.

Speaker 6 So it's like your immune system, it starts attacking your body. Okay.

Speaker 6 So it's sort of like that. So just, I think in my head, just like knowing, and I'm like, that's super important, right?

Speaker 6 Like, you don't want to get more lesions because you don't want to have symptoms and you don't want to have lifelong consequences of like ending up in a wheelchair and not being able to like move or having a lot of pain and things like that, not negating that fact.

Speaker 6 But I feel confident right now after talking with my neurologist, he wasn't like, you need to hurry up and get in

Speaker 6 because he saw my brain scans, right? So it's like, you might have this. This looks like it could be this.
You don't have any of the outward symptoms.

Speaker 6 You happen to have optic neuritis, but you had COVID. So like, it's that part was kind of like a mess.
So like he literally said to me, unless something new or fun happens to you.

Speaker 7 New or fun.

Speaker 6 New or fun. I love him.

Speaker 6 He's like an old guy.

Speaker 6 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Phenomenal.
He's like, unless something new or fun happens and you need to email me, like, just make that appointment when you can, get in there, get a second opinion.

Speaker 6 He even said, like, because one of the tests for MS is to get a lumbar puncture, which is scary to me.

Speaker 6 He said, I would ask them, like, while you're there, I would ask, like, do you, is your recommendation to get a lumbar puncture? And if so.

Speaker 6 And if that comes back positive, would that lead you based off my brain scan and a positive lumbar puncture to put me on medication? If not, hold off on the lumbar puncture. Yeah.

Speaker 6 Because that doesn't come without without risks either.

Speaker 7 So I think that's what I was supposed to do for the bone marrow

Speaker 7 transplant.

Speaker 6 Like as part of testing?

Speaker 7 No, to like do the bone marrow.

Speaker 6 Oh, you probably were getting like, I think, well, because like lumbar puncture is,

Speaker 6 well, I think lumbar puncture is a spinal tap. Don't quote me.
That's when they take out some of your spinal fluid.

Speaker 6 So I don't think you were probably going straight into your bone marrow to get yours taken out. Yeah.

Speaker 6 And I think they probably

Speaker 6 were they going to do it probably in your side? Because

Speaker 6 in your back.

Speaker 6 Oh, interesting. Because I found out from the hematologist when I was, she was like asking me how I did after the iron infusions.
And I was like, oh my God, like down here was killing me.

Speaker 6 And she's, and like, I'm talking like low hip area into like the sides of my hip. And she's like, that's where the majority of your bone marrow is made.

Speaker 6 Interesting. So it like basically activates the shit out of it when you have an iron infusion.

Speaker 6 Oh,

Speaker 7 you're the first person that I've ever known or heard of people getting someone getting an iron transfusion. Like, I didn't know that was a thing.

Speaker 6 Apparently, it's like super fucking common. I had no idea.
I didn't know it was a thing either.

Speaker 7 It's common? That's an even bigger problem.

Speaker 6 Yes. Well, and that's why they were saying it's more common in people, like vegetarians, that don't eat enough meat.

Speaker 6 But,

Speaker 6 like, for for I think regular people, it's not super common, but it's more common in people that don't eat a lot of meat because you're not getting what you need. Um,

Speaker 6 and then the only thing I still have to do is start my vitamin D supplements because I hate taking pills, and that's pills.

Speaker 7 Can you get like a powder or a mix of some sort?

Speaker 6 I don't know because they want me on the, I literally have it in front of me. I have about 16 bottles at my house, so I'm supposed to take 50,000 IUs

Speaker 6 twice a week. This is literally supposed to be a huge dose for one time a week, but mine is so bad.

Speaker 6 My vitamin D is a three.

Speaker 6 And it's supposed to be like

Speaker 6 way more.

Speaker 7 I don't even know what my levels are. We should just go get blood work for podcast content.
Like compare.

Speaker 6 I can't recommend it enough. You know what I want to do? And we've talked about this.
I want to go get.

Speaker 6 Whether it's the Pernuvo MRI situation, like full body scan.

Speaker 7 I messaged them. They didn't message me back.
So Pernuvo, I'm going to need you to get it together.

Speaker 6 I want to do it so bad because

Speaker 6 I just want to know what's up.

Speaker 6 So many, I've seen so many people getting it because it came out a little bit ago and not that many people were doing it, but now people are doing it and they're also just going and getting like a full body scan, like not through them.

Speaker 6 And I just, they post their results and stuff. They talk about the results they got and they find out that like they have a hemangioma and they're spine or they have like a sick is a hemangioma.

Speaker 6 It's something that happens at birth that I think doesn't actually affect you. I'm assuming hemangioma has something to do with blood spot, maybe.

Speaker 7 Yeah, Pernuvo did not respond, so I unfollowed them.

Speaker 7 I'll just schedule like on my own.

Speaker 6 We should, yeah. I just want to go so bad, and I feel like

Speaker 7 I'd be like, so like excited, but like very scared to do it.

Speaker 6 Very scared.

Speaker 6 So I think that's fun. But that's kind of the update update in Healthland.

Speaker 6 It's still a journey.

Speaker 6 I've had a lot of people actually from the Facebook, like podcast community, that have reached out to me on my Instagram. And they're like, I have MS.
If you have any questions, like let me know.

Speaker 6 And it was actually shocking because not that I think anybody walks around being like, oh, I have MS, but I was

Speaker 6 from where you and I were at with it, like thinking I was literally like legit about to die,

Speaker 6 to seeing all these people living their best lives and stuff. And I'm like, I didn't even, you can't tell you're sick.
Oh. Right.
So I'm like, oh shit, like that's not as bad as what was in my head.

Speaker 6 So that's been really nice.

Speaker 7 We talked about this last time too. Like I think commercials and just where we were back when we first like were discovering or not discovering learning about MS.

Speaker 7 It was very different than it is today, or at least it was presented differently.

Speaker 7 And so we had this idea in our mind that like, you were going to be in a wheelchair and it was going to be like life's over.

Speaker 6 It was really bad. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 So I'm glad that that's not the case.

Speaker 7 And I'm, I'm super glad that we have this community because I have seen a lot of people, especially like for this episode specifically, like they wanted an update from you.

Speaker 7 They wanted to hear from you.

Speaker 7 And so I'm really thinking, no, I'm like really thankful for the community that are like reaching out and like telling you their stories too, because I'm sure that provides.

Speaker 7 some level of comfort knowing that there are people that you could talk to on a regular basis that also have it.

Speaker 6 Yeah. It's like comfort and then also

Speaker 6 just knowing you're not the only one, right? Like, I think that's like such a huge part of mental health is you can get in situations where you feel like you're the only one experiencing something.

Speaker 6 But when you really think about it, in a world this big, you're never the only one. Never.
There's never a chance that you're the only one. So I appreciate everybody

Speaker 6 reaching out to me and being concerned. It's very nice.

Speaker 6 As far as me and Corey, we've been, we've been. busy, obviously working, but living our best life with him on day shift.
It's been nice.

Speaker 7 Well, I'm just so glad because we've gotten to you and me have seen each other so much this last like two months, three months,

Speaker 6 yeah.

Speaker 7 And I'm like, it's crazy.

Speaker 7 And I, I think all of it between like Corey switching to day shift, I don't think that that has anything to do with it, but it's probably nice because, like, we're seeing each other more, you're seeing him more.

Speaker 7 But can we please talk about the adjustment of

Speaker 7 sleeping with our husbands? Because I

Speaker 7 literally, between the twins being born, Rio getting his, like, there's just so much going on that now Elisha is back in the bed, and I'm struggling, yeah. Like, I love him.

Speaker 6 Don't be wrong.

Speaker 7 I love him so bad. Like, I love him.
I just want to kiss his little face.

Speaker 7 I don't, I have gotten so accustomed to sleeping in the bed without him that, like, I want to snuggle him, but I don't want him to sleep in my bed.

Speaker 6 So, like, for me,

Speaker 6 I

Speaker 6 like Corey's been on nights the entire time we've been together. So, the only time we would sleep together is if he was off.

Speaker 6 And

Speaker 6 after I got so used to being the only one in bed, when he was off, I wouldn't sleep. I couldn't sleep.
I don't know why. It's not like he was doing anything to me.
I just could not sleep.

Speaker 6 I couldn't lay the way I wanted to lay. I couldn't, it just, it was annoying.

Speaker 6 So I would end up going out on the couch, like even at the apartment, I would go out onto the couch or something because I just needed sleep. And it wasn't happening in the bed.

Speaker 7 That happened last night.

Speaker 6 I woke up at three in the morning. Yeah.

Speaker 7 And I went upstairs. I went in one of the kids' beds.

Speaker 7 Tell me why. I come downstairs this morning.
He's like, where did you disappear to? I said, I went upstairs. He said, why? And I was like, I couldn't sleep.
Like, I, you know, and I love him to death.

Speaker 7 It's just like, I grew so accustomed, I guess, to like, because of the chaos of the twins and everything else. And

Speaker 7 it's just going to take some getting used to. Also, I think if it was a if if we had time without the kids and I knew I could sleep in in the morning, I feel like I would be more okay with it.

Speaker 7 But because I know that there, we don't have a babysitter at nights, nights and weekends. We do not have babysitters.

Speaker 7 So I know if I can't sleep and I still try to like thug it out, it's not gonna work out. So maybe when we, I think we're going for his birthday, we're gonna go stay in a hotel for a night.

Speaker 6 That'll be so good.

Speaker 7 That we'll be able to sleep together fine. And I know that we'll be able to sleep in in the morning.
You know what I mean? So like it'll be better.

Speaker 7 But if it's like an all-night thing where I know I have to get up at 6:30 in the morning, I can't. And it's the same.
It was, you said it was happening to you too. Cause I'm like, I love him.

Speaker 6 I love him. I don't have anything to do with that.
It's, I don't even, it's just like

Speaker 6 getting older because you sleep differently when you are, when someone's with you, I think just subconsciously, you relax more. Power and numbers.
If something were to happen, there's two of us.

Speaker 6 Like, I think subconsciously, like, that's just like something that I know that I was affected by. So I slept differently.
I slept lighter, but I would sleep without him being home. Right.
So, like,

Speaker 6 I also have like had all the insomnia and shit going on this the entire time he was on nights too. So like that wasn't helpful.

Speaker 6 When I would sleep, I'd be able to sleep, but like someone breathing in the room would wake me up. Now I'm dead.
I am absolutely dead. There is nothing waking me up outside of an alarm, which

Speaker 6 if I have to sit in bed one more time, because he gets up earlier than I do to go to work because he has to get in before me. This man starts setting his alarms at 4:45 in the morning.

Speaker 6 Why do they do that?

Speaker 7 And then they go when he

Speaker 6 has them every five minutes. So does the last 5:30.

Speaker 7 That's where it started with the twins when the twins were born and he was getting up to go to work. And I was like, we're not doing this.

Speaker 7 You have to, like, I can't do this 4.45, 5 o'clock, 5.15, that home. Like, I can't do it.

Speaker 6 So you need to go out on the couch. I was like, you have got to be kidding me.
And he'll be, and I'll be like hitting him. But at that point, once I'm up, I'm up.

Speaker 6 There is no going back to sleep for me

Speaker 6 at all. Once I wake up, that's it.
So it would just piss me off. And I was like, you've got to be kidding me.
So like, that was hard in and of itself.

Speaker 6 But then just like not being, I was out of my element. That's literally what it was.
I was completely out of my element.

Speaker 6 It took probably like two and a half, three weeks of him being on days for me to start to get used to it. Then my ass ended up in the hospital.
So then I was by myself again.

Speaker 6 And then I came home and I was just so glad to be fucking home that I don't think that it actually ended up

Speaker 6 really mattering to me. I just like kind of fell back into it.
And then now I'm fine, thankfully.

Speaker 6 But then because he's had to do those weird switches where he'll have to go back to nights for a couple of days to like do a special thing, it happens all over again.

Speaker 6 And he gets so mad, he's like offended, right? And I'm like, bro, it's been like 10 years. He gets so offended if he finds me on the couch, and I'm like, it has nothing to actually do with you, right?

Speaker 6 I can't snore, and I can't, whatever. It's nothing like that.
It's just like, for some reason,

Speaker 6 I just can't, I just can't sleep sometimes with you in bed.

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Speaker 7 Maybe when

Speaker 7 he doesn't have any more of those weird switches, then it'll be like two or three weeks of like pure just day shift and days off.

Speaker 7 And then for me, when the twins get their own room, it'll just because I also think for us that plays a part because I'm also waking up when the twins wake up and then you're probably listening for them.

Speaker 6 Like subconsciously, you're probably listening for them. I don't know so much about because they always say like guys don't hear crying babies.

Speaker 6 I don't know how accurate that is, but it's accurate.

Speaker 6 It is.

Speaker 7 It's accurate.

Speaker 7 I'm like, literally, like,

Speaker 7 especially when they wake up at the same time during the night, it's like, it's just faster. We can all go to sleep faster if we both just tag team at night.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 6 So I just, I don't know, but you said you're doing a hotel date. Can we just say

Speaker 6 if you have the ability to get a hotel with your significant other for a night, it's fantastic.

Speaker 7 Even if we could literally watch, we're going for one night, literally a hotel room for one night. That's all we have because nobody really wants to watch like itty bitty babies.

Speaker 7 Um, and it's because there's three of them. So his mom said that she would watch them Saturday into Sunday, which his birthday falls on a Saturday.

Speaker 7 Um, so we'll leave Saturday and come back on Sunday and actually get the kids back on Sunday too. So it all kind of works out.
But

Speaker 7 yeah, if you have kids and it's possible, I mean, these are very few and far between. I haven't been with, I haven't been to a hotel with Elijah by ourselves in over two years.

Speaker 6 That was probably since we did the big killer dinner.

Speaker 7 Yes, when we signed Vibin and Kind of Thriving. Yep.
That was exactly, that was the last time, which was two years ago. Yeah.

Speaker 6 So

Speaker 7 the only other times between then were with the kids.

Speaker 6 So

Speaker 6 like, and that's not a vacation ever.

Speaker 7 It's not, it's a trip, and you're with the kids in another place, like, plain and simple.

Speaker 6 Um,

Speaker 7 so I really wanted to give an update on Disney, which I think I talked about Disney on coffee combos, but I wanted to bring it over here because Kristen and I were trying to plan this Disney trip for this year to go together, which now we know is not working out, but I'm still planning to take my kids.

Speaker 7 Um, for those of you guys listening who love Disney and want to recommend like a travel agent specific to Disney. That would be super helpful.

Speaker 7 If you guys could like start a thread in the Barely Famous podcast group on Facebook, that would be super helpful. I don't want, like, I want a Disney-specific one.

Speaker 7 I want a Disney-specific one because you guys mentioned nanny services there. You've also mentioned like tour guide

Speaker 7 there. And I also,

Speaker 7 I did ask the boys this morning before Kristen let me know that she can no longer attend the trip, which it was your idea, but that's okay. We're stealing it Um,

Speaker 7 we the boys all decided collectively, Isaac, Lincoln, Lux, and Creed decided they do not want to do a Disney cruise for Lux and Creed's first time, they all want to go to Disney World, so that's what we're planning to do.

Speaker 7 Um, I still would like to do a Disney cruise at some point. We are only taking the four older ones, and then when we go again, it will be literally in five years, probably, when we take um

Speaker 7 Rio and the twins. But um,

Speaker 6 leave a comment for Disney specific travel agents please I've actually had a couple people reach out to me like in my personal DMs about like helping oh or Disney

Speaker 7 because you know what and I do I do appreciate the help like when people are like offering to help but are not travel agents like I love

Speaker 6 this is like Disney specific travel agents yeah oh cool okay that made a way to my personal Instagram and like I'm not doubting that like a travel agent in general can plan a Disney trip.

Speaker 7 I just, I think for this and

Speaker 7 potentially me being the only adult, I don't know. I don't know, one, I don't know if Alicia is coming for any amount of the trip.

Speaker 7 I also just, I think for this, because there's so many moving parts, I just need someone who is specific to Disney.

Speaker 6 Yeah, no, I think that'll be good. I think it'll be fun.
Um, I'm bummed. I'm not going, but Corey,

Speaker 6 next year, and then you'll be able to sucker you into going again, so it'll be fine.

Speaker 7 You're like, I'm okay telling Kale this because I think I can convince her to go again, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 6 I have

Speaker 6 good odds.

Speaker 7 You're like, I convinced her this year, and she was not planning on it.

Speaker 6 So,

Speaker 6 um, we are going on a vacation together, though, yeah, we are.

Speaker 7 So, that also made me feel better since last year. We went on, I met you guys down in Myrtle Beach for a little bit.

Speaker 7 Um, this I'm excited that this year it's gonna be longer because the kids were so upset that we were only there for such a short time last year.

Speaker 7 But I told you last year that, like, I'm about the small trips, like more frequent trips that are shorter because

Speaker 7 I still want the kids to go make these. I don't, I used to say no to short trips because I'm like, I'm not packing everybody up to go for a short trip.

Speaker 7 But now I'm like, we're everyone, the older four at the age where it's like, I'm back to being able to pack them up quickly for shorter trips. But this one will be good because.

Speaker 7 we're staying for like five days, which is fantastic. And then we have like a whole game plan.
Elisha will be able to come and I'm excited about it.

Speaker 7 Like I think the kids are really, I'm also going to be able to get on a banana boat this time because I'm so excited.

Speaker 6 You're going to be able to jet ski, you're going to be able to banana boat, you're going to be able to do all the things because you were, you were pregnant for two years in a row.

Speaker 7 Yeah, and then truthfully, Creed was not that far behind that because even when I went to the doctor this morning, I had Creed, Rio, and Valley. And

Speaker 7 Creed will be four, Rio's about to be two, and Valley is seven months. So, I was, I mean, with the exception of one year, I was basically pregnant for three years, like in a row almost.

Speaker 6 Well, yeah, and I'm literally sitting here and I'm trying to think to myself, like, how many years total of your life have you spent pregnant? Because that's wild to think about. That's six years.

Speaker 7 Oh my god, speaking of, well, let's let's go through it. I was pregnant in 2008,

Speaker 7 people, um, whether people know that or not, I was pregnant in 2009 with Isaac, Lincoln 2013,

Speaker 7 pregnant again in 2014, which was a mis was it 14 or 15?

Speaker 6 I think you were it might have been 15

Speaker 6 because you got divorced in 16 officially. Okay, okay, okay, so

Speaker 7 2008, 2009,

Speaker 7 2013, 2015, 2016 into 17,

Speaker 7 2018.

Speaker 6 Yeah,

Speaker 7 there were three or four with Chris, and then again in 2000 and

Speaker 7 Creed was 2020.

Speaker 7 And then there was another one after Creed.

Speaker 7 What year was that?

Speaker 6 20.

Speaker 6 Oh, I think it was 20.

Speaker 6 20.

Speaker 7 No, Creed was born in 2020.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I know.

Speaker 6 I think you got pregnant.

Speaker 7 Are you kidding me? No, it was the following year because I was in

Speaker 7 either 2020 or 2021.

Speaker 6 It was something like that.

Speaker 7 And then again in 2022 for Rio.

Speaker 6 Two and three.

Speaker 7 And then 2023. And then I'm pregnant again.

Speaker 6 Right, obviously.

Speaker 7 Oh, I was cramping so bad last night when we did the book, the Instagram or the book book club. We did book club live.
I had the worst cramps and I'm like, I cannot imagine like being pregnant again.

Speaker 6 What is that? Okay, this sounds so dumb, but like, what is the feeling like when you spend, I mean, you didn't, but you spend all this time trying to like prevent pregnancy, right?

Speaker 6 Like, you're getting told.

Speaker 7 No, I know, because I just named off 10 years.

Speaker 6 I was pregnant. No, no, no, I was saying, like, you didn't do that.

Speaker 6 When you really think about it, all the shit that they say is like, don't get pregnant, don't get pregnant, don't get pregnant, don't get pregnant, right?

Speaker 6 And then all of a sudden, sudden, it's hurry up, your clock's ticking. Like,

Speaker 6 you're not kidding. Why do we do that?

Speaker 6 Like, what is actually happening? Um,

Speaker 6 so I just am like, what is the feeling of

Speaker 6 like,

Speaker 6 I'm so done? Like, at what pregnancy do you feel like you actually hit, I'm so fucking done with this with creed,

Speaker 6 yeah. I would have said,

Speaker 7 and then I got pregnant four more times. Was it four? And it was like four or five more times after that.

Speaker 6 Isn't that crazy? I just like don't know. Like, I can't,

Speaker 6 I don't know. Like, that just sounds like pregnancy to me, like, just from seeing my friends go through it and all the things and hearing about it, like, that does not sound like a good time.

Speaker 7 It depends. I, you either love it or you hate it.

Speaker 6 Unsure what I'm going to feel.

Speaker 7 And I have, I've had both. Like, I've loved certain pregnancies.
I have not loved certain pregnancies. I've loved parts of pregnancy.

Speaker 7 I've loved, I definitely think that my, the journey of me carrying children has, is over. And like, I'm, I'm confident in that.
And I'm confident and like, I'm solid in that decision.

Speaker 7 I've loved your, I've loved my time. I appreciate the opportunity, but we're moving on now.

Speaker 6 That chapter has closed. I know that you talked about Elijah being in the regret phase of his vasectomy.

Speaker 6 Is he still there?

Speaker 7 We actually haven't talked about it since I recorded that episode. Did I did I said that on the podcast, right?

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 7 Yeah, we haven't talked about it since then, which I think

Speaker 7 I'm almost glad that we haven't because I feel like if we would have made any like firm decisions while we were actively in the, I don't know if it's regret, just like realizing that that door has closed, that chapter has ended kind of thing.

Speaker 7 If we would have made any solid decisions, that could have been,

Speaker 7 I don't know. Like now we're getting goats and chickens and I feel like that's a better option.

Speaker 6 Now you're being the pet era.

Speaker 7 Would I adopt a child? Maybe I would explore that opportunity, like that. Maybe not even adopt, but like maybe foster a child.
Like, I feel like that would be more of

Speaker 7 something that I would entertain more than like IVF or something. Cause I,

Speaker 7 it just, that feels like a lot. And

Speaker 6 I don't know.

Speaker 7 I would rather help another child that needs a home than bring another one in. Like, I think seven is a lot.

Speaker 6 So I think

Speaker 6 I also just look at it too, and I'm like, Elijah's so much younger.

Speaker 6 So, I'm like,

Speaker 6 you just listed off as many pregnancies as you've had. You have seven living children here.
I'm thinking that it also

Speaker 6 not easier to come to terms with that door closing, but like, you've been the one to carry all of these kids, right?

Speaker 6 It's taken a toll on your body, it's taken a toll on your mental health, like all the things.

Speaker 6 Not saying that it does like pregnancy and having kids doesn't take a toll on dads, but it's a very different toll. Yeah.

Speaker 6 So I also wonder if that plays into it where you're able to say, like, no, I'm done, like, physically having kids. And he's like, eh.

Speaker 7 Well, because, too, I'm like, I, this has been a 15-year journey for me, right? Like, I've been having kids for 15 years, like from start to finish. There has no, there's been no gap, really.

Speaker 7 And so then if you put that into perspective with him being out three back to back in two years, it might feel like a lot to other people.

Speaker 7 And maybe even to him, it's like, okay, you went from zero to three so fucking quick, but it also hasn't been a whole lot of time to like let that sink in and like

Speaker 7 process that. And so, until you've fully like been able to take a step back and been like able to reflect, it might not

Speaker 7 like I can see why he's like, Wait, I'm not done, but like, we haven't even, we don't have three toddlers yet.

Speaker 7 When we have three toddlers, he might be like, Wow, I'm glad that we didn't continue with our own. And, you know, with the foster, like, if we were, I don't know what that looks like.

Speaker 7 I've never explored it, I've never really entertained it before. Um,

Speaker 7 but we might be able to foster, you know, a baby and then hopefully they would reunite with their mom or their parents.

Speaker 7 And then, or we could foster like a toddler or like an older kid, and that might be a very different experience too, like that would fulfill us in a different way. So, I don't know.

Speaker 7 I just, I feel like the more time that he is able to like sit with this, he doesn't regret it. But, like, he definitely hasn't brought it up to me specifically.

Speaker 7 Like, he hasn't said anything about like

Speaker 7 since I recorded that episode. I don't, I don't know if like maybe people messaged him.
I don't know because I don't know if his family like gives him feedback.

Speaker 7 Like I don't know if they talk to him about what they hear or see online. I have no clue.
So maybe they heard it or saw it and they were like, what the fuck? And so maybe he doesn't want to tell me.

Speaker 7 I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 6 I think, I just think it's, that's got to be hard. You mentioned IVF and I,

Speaker 6 this is, I feel like a controversial opinion. Hot take.
Hot take, we'll say. Corey and I just recently had a conversation.
Again, this is not the first time we've had this conversation. Um,

Speaker 6 about kids and like we have friends that, like, we know that are like going through IVF and all the things.

Speaker 6 And I flat told him, I said, listen, just like, not even only solely taking my health into consideration or like potential issues that I might have, not have, whatever.

Speaker 6 I flat told him, I said, if it ever got to the point of IVF, like I would rather explore adoption. Okay.
Because adoption has been something that I've wanted to do since I was.

Speaker 7 You've always said that to me. Yeah.
You have always said that to me.

Speaker 6 Always wanted to adopt. And he was not necessarily like, that wasn't something he had ever thought of when we got together and we had these conversations.
It wasn't something he ever thought of.

Speaker 6 He didn't say no, but it was such a foreign idea to him. He just had never thought about it.

Speaker 6 But as we get closer to like potentially starting trying for a baby and stuff, I said to him, I was like, listen, I have no interest in doing IVF ever.

Speaker 6 And I I understand

Speaker 6 a baby that is genetically mine and like ours bad enough to put myself through fucking IVF.

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Speaker 6 I have heard,

Speaker 7 and I know that this doesn't happen for everyone, but like I've heard horror stories about like this one girl.

Speaker 7 we won't get into how i know her but she

Speaker 7 gained she i think gained like 80 pounds she had her tubes tied met someone new i i believe they got married first or they did ivf first she ended up after her tubal

Speaker 7 ended up putting on like 80 pounds that's close to 100 pounds just to be able to try to conceive naturally and i

Speaker 7 And I get that that seems like not that big of a deal or people that want a baby bad enough are like, well, I'd be willing to put on the 80 pounds.

Speaker 7 But like when I tell you now, as a 32-year-old mother, how hard it is on my body to be ripping and running around with my kids all the time, I personally, for my own life, could not afford to gain 80 pounds to have a child that's genetically related to me.

Speaker 7 You know what I mean? Like, I personally, I'm not willing to put my body through it. I don't want to deal with the hormones.

Speaker 6 I don't, and I get it.

Speaker 7 That's some people's only option. But for me personally, I would rather explore the idea of like adoption, foster, surrogacy.
Would would you guys do that?

Speaker 6 Surrogacy, like I have always joked about it, right? Like I've always joked about like I would, if if that was an option financially for me, I would have done that shit eight years ago.

Speaker 6 Like if I didn't part of the waiting process of like having kids is like, one, there was things that I wanted to do before I like. entered that journey.
The other part was just like the

Speaker 6 very real fear that I have of childbirth. Childbirth and pregnancy in and of itself.

Speaker 6 So it's like,

Speaker 6 and that's like sometimes like that shit's like debilitating. I've talked to other people who have it worse than I do.
And they're just like, I'm simply not having them.

Speaker 6 I'm not having kids because I'm too scared. So like, it's like very much a thing.
And

Speaker 6 I always joked with Corey, Corey's not open to surrogacy. That's not something that he is, it weirds him out.
Like he just

Speaker 6 he can't like even

Speaker 6 think through

Speaker 6 somebody else carrying

Speaker 6 our child. Yeah.
And that's interesting to me.

Speaker 7 I don't think that Elijah would prefer that. I mean, I think if I was like, hey, like I want to have another baby, but I don't want to do that through a surrogate.

Speaker 7 I think he would be like, okay, but I think it would take some talking.

Speaker 6 I wonder what that is.

Speaker 7 Like, what, like, also, can we also talk about like normalizing families who maybe don't want to have kids at all?

Speaker 6 Or

Speaker 6 I say that all the time.

Speaker 7 I just feel like there's such this crazy pressure on you, specifically, or like other women to have children that the people that are on the fence about it are like more leaning towards, okay, well, I guess I'm, I'll have them because that's what I'm supposed to do, or what my partner wants, or what my partner thinks he wants.

Speaker 7 I love and respect anyone that chooses not to have children because it's fucking hard. It's difficult, it's It's scary.
I get it. And like, you really never know how they're going to turn out.

Speaker 7 So, like, you could be the best mom in the world. And as an adult, they're fucking up and an embarrassment to the family.

Speaker 6 Like, we get it. Like, that's real.
That part is scary. Our fucking world is scary.
Like,

Speaker 6 there's a lot of scary situations involved in it. Like, the fact that we have

Speaker 6 the worst mortality rate in pregnant women

Speaker 6 amongst any like developed country is wild to like to think about like you should not have to worry about dying while giving birth right should not be something

Speaker 7 and less

Speaker 6 it's range of death yeah it's like crazy like that part is crazy to think about i just i am a huge proponent for people to just do whatever the fuck they want to do i think too like

Speaker 6 A lot of people don't want to have kids, the economy, like you can't fucking afford it.

Speaker 6 You can't even, like, goes back to what we just said, you can't even afford to take time off to take care of your health.

Speaker 6 So, like, then you're going to bring a kid in. They have to go to doctor's appointments.
So, how the hell are you going to do that?

Speaker 6 The cost of child care is

Speaker 6 every time somebody like that I know has kids and they're telling me about their child care costs, or I fucking see yours, I gag every time.

Speaker 7 And I'm going to have two in preschool this year.

Speaker 6 So it's,

Speaker 6 I, I'm like, what? What do you think?

Speaker 7 And then child care after that, because it's only like a nine to 12 program situation.

Speaker 6 So yeah, it's, it's really just crazy. So I'm, I'm all for it.
I think too, like a lot of it is also people claim like, well, if you don't do it, you're going to regret it.

Speaker 6 You're going to regret not having kids. And I

Speaker 6 don't think that that's necessarily the regret that most people feel. I think it's the opposite.
I think that there are a lot of parents who absolutely regret having children.

Speaker 7 They won't admit it, though.

Speaker 6 Baby, I've been on Reddit and the shit that they're on there talking about. Like, there's an entire thing of like, I absolutely regret being a mom.
It's the worst thing I've ever done in my life.

Speaker 6 And there's just people like literally, because it's so anonymous on Reddit, where it's like they can go and like vent and tell their stories.

Speaker 6 And I would, I am sure amongst the huge Facebook communities all the podcasts have, there are multiple people who regret being a parent.

Speaker 6 And if you want to watch them, I'll post it, post it anonymously, like send it anonymously, and I'll make sure it gets posted.

Speaker 7 But you know what? I think

Speaker 7 if more people would normalize, and V and I just talked about like elective parenting or platonic parenting.

Speaker 6 Oh, yes, yes.

Speaker 7 I feel like if we normalize that, where it's like people who want to have children aren't rushing into relationships because of the societal pressures, if we more so normalize people having platonic families and elective parenting, where they are sharing 50-50 custody, I think that people would have the best of both worlds where they're having their,

Speaker 7 you can still go to your child's events when they're with the other parent.

Speaker 7 And so you're still doing the mom thing or the dad thing on those weeks. And then you only have them 50% of the time.

Speaker 7 I thoroughly believe if a child is born into that situation and it is platonic and in a healthy environment, they don't know any different.

Speaker 7 That's mom, that's dad, that's mom, that's mom, that's dad, that's dad, whatever the case may be. That is what I just feel like less people who regret parenting, there would be not as much pressure.

Speaker 7 Does that make sense?

Speaker 6 Yeah. I also think too, like when you think that would work out, especially for people, there's people who exist that have no interest in ever being in a relationship.
Right. They don't want to.

Speaker 6 They just want to live life with their best friends and like that's it.

Speaker 6 Maybe they want a baby. Okay.
So have a baby with like one of your best friends. I don't know.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 Like I've seen TikTok things about like women getting divorced and then they go and they just like buy a house together and their best friends raising their kids together.

Speaker 6 What okay, and like if it's a healthy environment, that's literally all you can ask for.

Speaker 6 You're already like 300 steps ahead of the game if you're if you have a healthy environment, yeah, where we're at today. That's how I feel.

Speaker 7 I just think I've gotten hate from saying, like, I have I've had the best of both worlds, you know, since Javi and I got divorced. I've

Speaker 7 been on and off, I think, because I also have had creed and lux most of the time. Um, but I do, I was having like weekends off every other week.
And then in the summertime, it's 50-50.

Speaker 7 So I, and I, I would still go, like, if Chris were to sign the kids up for sports in the summertime, I'd still go to their stuff on his weeks. But,

Speaker 7 you know, we take the summers off and it's fun and whatever. But, you know, I understand why people don't want to have kids.
Like, I do. I have, you know, the three babies here at all times.

Speaker 7 Like, they're always here. They're always, you know, ours.
And

Speaker 7 I understand why someone would not want that. I personally love it.
I feel like that's what I'm here for. I was put on this planet to be a mom, but that's not everybody's story, and that's okay.

Speaker 6 Well, 1000%. And I think, too, like,

Speaker 6 you know, that

Speaker 6 you saying that you had the best of both, both worlds, right, before Lux and Creed came in, and it was just Lincoln and Isaac, and you had gotten divorced and you went 50-50.

Speaker 6 One, I don't understand why anyone's hating on that because you're being completely honest about your feelings, and nobody can tell someone that their feelings are wrong.

Speaker 6 So that's really fucking bizarre. That's number one.
Number two,

Speaker 6 like

Speaker 6 you that doesn't mean just because you're saying that this was like the best of both worlds here does not mean that you didn't cry because you missed your kids does not mean that you missed your kids so bad

Speaker 6 like that doesn't mean that it just meant as far as your personal time went you have the best of both worlds you're not

Speaker 7 and i think that's where um

Speaker 7 I mean, I've cried dropping off not even, it was this year, this school year.

Speaker 7 So like 2023 into 2024, there was a a day that i cried at drop off because i dropped lincoln off at school and i knew that i wasn't going to have them at my house for like a week and so i do think like

Speaker 7 and and just like any other aspect of life it's a there's phases right like i there are times where i just needed a break and i got one because i had 50 50 or i don't want to give my kids up and i hate it and i miss it and i you know i miss them and i want them to come home so it's just been it's been um just like phases of life and i'm sure there are times where they don't want to be here or they want to to be at their dad's or they want to be here more and they don't want to be at their dad.

Speaker 7 Like, it's just like any other thing. But

Speaker 7 I wish we would normalize that more in America.

Speaker 6 I think that would be really cool.

Speaker 7 I don't know what it is in other countries, but like in here specifically.

Speaker 6 I think that would, I think that would be cool. I think, too, it would, you know, I think that there's a, there's probably a lot of people who don't find the right person.

Speaker 6 for them, right, to have a relationship until they're much older now, because like the pools are small. And I'm not even just talking about men.
It's all across the the board.

Speaker 6 Just like the pools to pick good people from

Speaker 6 very much getting smaller. Yeah.
Like you wait too long and

Speaker 6 unfortunately, if you

Speaker 6 like biologically, by the time you find your person that you might want to have kids with, if you didn't freeze your eggs or you're not like doing any of those things that you could do and you're out of time, like you're out of time.

Speaker 6 You can't. get that time back and they might just end up not having kids and they could have been the most amazing parents.

Speaker 6 And then you have people out here who are absolutely the worst parents I could ever imagine in my life.

Speaker 6 And I try not to judge parents because I'm not one, but I also have very good examples of what good ones look like.

Speaker 6 So I feel like I can discern who's good and who's, you know, needs some fucking improvement. You have them becoming parents.
And it's just like, for what? Because, like, what was the case?

Speaker 6 Did you not use protection? That's, you know, one case. Is it you just want a baby to fix a relationship? That's another case.

Speaker 6 Is it you want to have a baby because that's what society says you should do? And that's the person you're with at the time. So you get pregnant.
There's so many situations where

Speaker 6 I think that could be avoided. Yeah.
Of having people becoming parents that are not good parents. Right.
Or actually

Speaker 6 don't want to be.

Speaker 7 I read an article this morning. I sent it to Lindsay and it was this woman, her four-year-old died because all she ever did was give

Speaker 7 her

Speaker 7 Mountain Dew in a bottle.

Speaker 6 I'm sorry, what?

Speaker 7 Says,

Speaker 7 mom sentenced to prison after four-year-old daughter dies from being fed only Mountain Dew in a a baby bottle.

Speaker 6 What

Speaker 6 one, I'm going to need you to elaborate because I need to know like how long this was occurring for, but also like what would possess any person.

Speaker 6 I feel like it is very much common sense what you would feed a baby and what you wouldn't, and it's never Mountain Dew.

Speaker 7 That's not funny.

Speaker 6 I'm not, I'm laughing now at your face, but like, I just like don't understand.

Speaker 7 Like, I genuinely

Speaker 6 okay, this is my

Speaker 6 so confused.

Speaker 7 Ohio,

Speaker 7 Okay.

Speaker 7 Carmody.

Speaker 7 She died at the Cincinnati Children's Medical Hospital. Carmody died at Cincinnati Children's Hospital Medical Center in January.

Speaker 7 Her mother is 41 years old, pleaded guilty to involuntary manslaughter in March,

Speaker 7 sentenced to nine years in prison, but could serve up to 13 years. According to the inquirer, the Cincinnati inquirer.

Speaker 7 They fed her mostly mountain dew mixed with baby formula, which led to all of her teeth rotting because of too much sugar. Carmody then developed diabetes complications,

Speaker 7 leading to a brain injury and causing her death.

Speaker 6 Again, seems pretty much like common sense that you would mix formula with maybe somebody uses milk, right? Like, is it milk that you mix that with or is water?

Speaker 6 I think it's water, but I could be wrong. Okay.

Speaker 6 So

Speaker 6 maybe you fuck up and do milk, right? Like

Speaker 6 that seems like a logical fuck up, all right? Like babies eat, babies drink milk. Got it.
Okay. Mountain dew.

Speaker 6 Was this like pick your liquid of choice? Was it like what?

Speaker 6 Well, also,

Speaker 7 a four-year-old on formula is crazy because formula is expensive.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 7 Like it's so expensive.

Speaker 6 Is that even normal?

Speaker 7 I did, I actually didn't edit the video yet, but I did like a Target run where I was getting like diapers and wipes for the twins. And I will tell you right now what I pay for a small can.

Speaker 6 I'm not talking about it. I don't know.
I've fucking ordered it before. That shit is insane.
Corey

Speaker 6 something.

Speaker 7 Over $50 for the bigger can. It's like $53 or something.
And then the smaller cans are $31.99.

Speaker 6 So we went to the grocery store the other day and Corey was like, we're walking out. You know how, like, now behind the registers is where they have like locked up all the formula.

Speaker 6 And it's like not on shelves. And we walk past and he's like, isn't that so crazy that like formula has to get locked up now? I said, where the fuck have you been?

Speaker 6 Formula's been getting locked up for literally years at this point. I said, But especially now, and he's like, I don't understand, like, for what, like, people are stealing it for why.

Speaker 6 I said, Did you look at the prices? So he goes back and he looks and he's like, Holy fuck, that lasts like a month, right? I said,

Speaker 6 No,

Speaker 6 absolutely not. I said, I'm pretty sure Kiel goes through a big can in like two days.

Speaker 7 The big can lasts me maybe three, maybe.

Speaker 6 Maybe one more.

Speaker 7 I might get get three days out of it, but the little ones, the $31.99, that lasts me two days.

Speaker 7 No, like, no, I the but the dip it's weird because one can, like the smaller can cost $31.99, and then the bigger one is like $50 something dollars.

Speaker 7 So it's a $20 price difference, but I only get a couple more bottles out of it. It's not like I'm getting double

Speaker 6 right,

Speaker 7 but even if I did, I mean, one can't lasting four days if that was the case.

Speaker 6 I just

Speaker 6 he was so shocked, and I'm like, that lasts a month.

Speaker 7 Wow.

Speaker 7 When we go to Myrtle Beach, we're going to take like one, like one store trip and be like, okay, this is what it costs to get the formula. Then baby food, the diapers.

Speaker 7 I actually just got a baby gift for someone and the diapers. It was like, I was like, what count should I even get for them? Because I don't know what they have, what they don't have.

Speaker 7 And then also, the price is crazy.

Speaker 6 No, it's wild. And it's funny because, like, one of my favorite gifts to give because of you is diapers.
And he was like, That's the worst gift in the world.

Speaker 6 Like, why would you ever give somebody diapers? I said,

Speaker 6 Do you know how expensive diapers are? He's like, Well, you don't even know what size.

Speaker 6 I said, You can get any size and they either grow into them and they have that size or they can take it, exchange it for a different fucking size and not have to pay for damn diapers.

Speaker 6 I'm like, I don't understand. My mom, we were talking, my mom and I were talking about it not that long ago.
And she was like, why do you think people were like cloth diapering?

Speaker 6 And I was like, you know, I commend them like wholeheartedly. We know I love the budget.
I am not fucking.

Speaker 7 It sounds good in theory, right? Like cloth, because it's like better for the environment. It's more cost effective.
But when you, if you don't, here's my thing.

Speaker 7 And I hope maybe some people in this group can give us like insight on it.

Speaker 7 One of my cousins cloth diapered. I had a friend cloth diaper when I had Isaac.
and

Speaker 7 she was a full-time at-home mom. She did nothing else, no disrespect to her by any stretch of the imagination.

Speaker 6 Yeah, she just was able to dedicate that time.

Speaker 7 So she was able to spray the diapers down because when they poop, you have to spray them down. I think she might have had a bidet

Speaker 7 where my cousin, she had a full-time nanny.

Speaker 7 So the full-time nanny was able to dedicate extra time, like the time that my cousin didn't have to spray the diapers down and do all that and was able to wash. now.

Speaker 7 Thinking about it, could I have done it now looking back? Yeah, maybe for one, but with Rio and the twins and diapers right now, absolutely not.

Speaker 7 There's no way I would get them done, the cloth diapers done.

Speaker 7 Um, also, I don't have a bidet, I think it would be easier to spray into a toilet to like rinse them off.

Speaker 6 Does that make sense? So, like, plush poop and stuff, yeah.

Speaker 7 So, like, that makes more sense to me. Um, the cloth diapering sound, it might be,

Speaker 7 I might actually try it just to see what happens

Speaker 6 on who on Rhea?

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 6 I was going to say, don't fucking do that to yourself with the twins. You'll call me crack.

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 7 Well, I feel bad for Bally's got a little bit of diaper rash. I feel like she's the only one that gets diaper rash, so maybe I should try it on her.

Speaker 6 Maybe. Do like

Speaker 7 good for that.

Speaker 6 What's like a good time frame to like try something like that out? Like a like, is a week too little, you think? Or

Speaker 7 I was thinking like one day.

Speaker 7 Like,

Speaker 6 a week. What?

Speaker 7 One day I would do. Just try.
Cause I mean,

Speaker 6 so you're gonna take us on a journey.

Speaker 6 You're gonna take us on a journey of cloth diapering valley.

Speaker 7 Yeah, like maybe I'll just let me order one on Amazon and then I'll circle back and like let you guys know about it.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I'm genuinely, I want to see a TikTok video on it, honestly.

Speaker 7 Because then if I, if you have a baby, if you ever just decide to have one, um, whether you adopt or not,

Speaker 6 you could cloth diaper if it's doable with adoption.

Speaker 6 cloth.

Speaker 6 We've had this conversation. I don't have, I don't care if I don't have

Speaker 6 like a baby baby. Like I would adopt an older kid.

Speaker 7 Well, and that's, I asked the kids that I was like, hey, like, what would you guys say about like adopting like a toddler?

Speaker 7 Or like, I mean, Lincoln was like, can you adopt one my age so we can play soccer? And I'm like, you literally have siblings for that. Like, no.
Yeah. Um, I was thinking more so, like,

Speaker 7 toddler and up.

Speaker 6 Yeah, basically, that's what I think.

Speaker 7 Don't quote me on this maybe someone else could also give insight on this those are the one those are the children that need homes like they're the ones that need because people want babies they want from infants to adult right like

Speaker 7 i would be

Speaker 6 we should just go on an adoption journey i just like i was so intrigued by the whole thing

Speaker 6 who

Speaker 7 we should each get siblings so that they can stay together oh my god

Speaker 6 it's it's very i actually need to revisit this topic before you because he like changed from it being a foreign concept to like he thinks that he would be open to it if we exhausted all options of like trying to have our own first.

Speaker 6 Where I'm like, if I had it my way, I would have rather adopted first than okay. Like, I don't know why.
It just

Speaker 6 growing up, I always was like, there are so many kids that are already here that need homes. Why the fuck would I go and have one? It just never felt foreign to me at all.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 And I'm talking like as a little kid, like I'm like eight, nine, was when I first started like talking to my mom and dad about like, oh, I'm going to adopt a kid one day.

Speaker 6 And like, it was like very normal.

Speaker 6 And like, interesting. It's so when that's why I was so shocked when Corey was like, huh? Like, what about adopting?

Speaker 6 But I

Speaker 6 he wants, I think what he, I think he just wants the whole experience, right?

Speaker 6 I think he wants the whole experience of like pregnancy and you get to go to the ultrasounds and you get to see the baby grow and then you have a baby and all these things. Right.

Speaker 6 So I think he, I think that's what he wants. And I don't discredit him for wanting that.
That's just not something. Those are not the things that I care about.
Right. Like,

Speaker 6 and I say that now. Obviously, if I were to get pregnant, I'm going to be happy and like do these things.
Right. But like

Speaker 6 knowing myself, those aren't the things that I

Speaker 6 and like that I have like an emphasis on. I don't care if I never feel and experience what pregnancy is.
I absolutely don't care if I never experience birthing a fucking child.

Speaker 6 I like past that, don't care.

Speaker 6 I've had enough for the both of us. Exactly.
Like you've done it so many times. You tell me all the things I know about every single one of your births.
You basically experienced it.

Speaker 6 Yeah, that's how I feel. Like I, I was there in spirit and, you know, like we're good.
I got to hear all about your ultrasounds. I got to see all your ultrasounds.
I, that's enough for me.

Speaker 6 And like, I'm like, okay, like, I also think that older kids are easier to manage as far as like time goes, right? Because they're not as needy.

Speaker 6 Like, I watched how your life changes and my friends' life lives change when they go from being needed every single waking minute of every single day for like a baby, an infant, whatever, and then they hit the toddler era.

Speaker 6 And, like, yeah, of course, there's different struggles that come with that that I've seen. But, like, as far as

Speaker 6 ease of like just managing,

Speaker 6 that always looked like the more fun

Speaker 6 part.

Speaker 7 Like, I think it's interesting because there are some parents that don't, that they, they just like certain stages better than others.

Speaker 7 And I feel like with every journey, every phase of my own personal life, I've liked different phases of my kids, right? But I get what you're saying.

Speaker 7 Like, I wholeheartedly, I'll support whatever you want. You want to have your own baby? Great.
You want to go IVF? Great. If you don't, great.
If you want to adopt, foster, whatever.

Speaker 7 If you are looking into adoption, I'll also look into adoption or foster to adopt. If they're looking for family members to stay together, I would go on that journey with you

Speaker 7 and help keep family. That would be really cool, though.

Speaker 7 Even if they were cousins or anything that we could keep together, because

Speaker 7 that kills me. Like if I remember when that whole, I think I talked about it with V,

Speaker 7 I mean, it might have been Lindsay, the mom that gave her kids up to CPS.

Speaker 7 I would have taken temporary guardianship of them if I knew about it beforehand because I would want them to stay together. We don't know if they ever stayed together.
We don't know.

Speaker 6 Right. Well, and the way that I think about it is, I see a lot of people

Speaker 6 have aversions to adoption, right? They have concerns. And it's not, I'm not saying that I'm going into it.
I would be going into it blindly. I know, like, we know the statistics.

Speaker 6 We know what those challenges that those kids might face,

Speaker 6 right? Like, we, we know that. Their backgrounds are different.
That's typically why older kids are up for adoption anyway.

Speaker 6 So it's not like I'd be going into it blindly, but my whole point is always like

Speaker 6 you don't, you don't know how your own would even turn out. So you're pre-judging

Speaker 6 adoption and already turning it off as an option for you. I will say that I know financially, it's expensive.
It's not cheap to adopt. And that confuses the fuck out of me.

Speaker 6 So if someone could explain it, that'd be great.

Speaker 7 I think it's like lawyer fees and things, if I'm not mistaken.

Speaker 7 And then if you're not mistaken, and then if you go through like an agency it's like an agency situation that's why i think it's typically easier to adopt from other countries because i think you it's just different

Speaker 7 um i would love insight on this so if you guys want to leave all the feedback all the information um

Speaker 7 even for fostering like i would love that too so just let us know like give us give us the 411

Speaker 6 In the meantime, I brought you some something that you haven't done in a long time.

Speaker 7 I can't wait.

Speaker 6 I can't fucking wait.

Speaker 7 I ordered the cloth diapers, by the way.

Speaker 6 Oh, thank God. I can't wait to see this TikTok.

Speaker 6 I have some dating things, okay? Okay.

Speaker 6 That I brought.

Speaker 6 We're going to call this, we're cleaning up some submissions here.

Speaker 6 We're cleaning up.

Speaker 6 This one is titled Crying at Taco Bell.

Speaker 6 Okay.

Speaker 7 We love that. I cried at Taco Bell once.

Speaker 6 Oh, me too. I was drunk, though.

Speaker 7 Oh, I was getting cheated on.

Speaker 6 Anyway.

Speaker 6 At Taco Bell? Correct.

Speaker 6 Great. We're going to hear your story first.

Speaker 7 My ex worked,

Speaker 6 Joe.

Speaker 7 Joe worked night shift at Taco Bell. I don't, you can leave all this in.
I don't care. He'll, I'm sure he would admit it.

Speaker 7 And

Speaker 7 I was pregnant and he was cheating on me with the 25, at the time, 25-year-old manager named Soli. And

Speaker 7 he would get dressed and say that he was going to work, but he actually went to the movies with Soli.

Speaker 7 And like on the day of my baby shower, he came home at like 6:30 in the morning and because he was out with Soli.

Speaker 6 Back up. How old was he? 18.
Okay, because I was like, that sounds like statutory rape.

Speaker 7 But like, if he wasn't 18,

Speaker 7 I mean, even him,

Speaker 7 anything that's like teen and 20s, I feel like is wrong so like it was and it was especially weird because like she was the older one and boys are already more immature than women 1000 that sounds really icky and when i think about it like my worst ex ever

Speaker 6 i started dating him at 17 he was turning 21

Speaker 6 so it's probably not a good

Speaker 6 i mean

Speaker 6 it was mature a lot more experience there that i didn't part of the experience you know correct okay okay so now crying at Taco Bell.

Speaker 6 Crying, so we're gonna hear about why this person's crying at Taco Bell. I have a shirt that says

Speaker 6 crying at Taco Bell at Taco Bell.

Speaker 6 I'm writing that down, actually.

Speaker 7 Also, turtle lovers. Thank you.

Speaker 6 That's for book club, though.

Speaker 6 Um, okay, this person says, I went on a first date once with a guy to the movies. Right off the bat, he tried to get me to take a lap nap, if you know what I mean, which I said no thank you to.

Speaker 6 After the movie, he suggested dinner. It was pretty late, so we just went through the Taco Bell drive-through, which I'm always cool with.

Speaker 6 It was raining really hard and we sat in my car eating our food and talking. Our conversation took a sharp left turn somewhere and he ended up trauma dumping on me so bad that he started crying.

Speaker 6 I'm not making fun of him for crying, but it was 10 out of 10 the worst timing in situation to physically and emotionally trap me in in my own car. Yeah, because she's not had diarrhea.

Speaker 6 She's like holding on

Speaker 6 to your life. I just wanted to eat my crunch wrap in peace and move on with my life because he wasn't really my vibe from the get-go.
The crying went on for nearly an hour. No.

Speaker 6 No. Whoa.

Speaker 6 I was trying to turn every frown upside down, but it wasn't working.

Speaker 7 Who wrote this?

Speaker 6 We love her.

Speaker 6 I just wanted to drop him without being a jerk in the middle of his mentee bee, what I like to call a mental breakdown. Finally, he dried his eyes and I left him on his driveway.

Speaker 6 He immediately texted me about what a great time he had, and I absolutely never replied.

Speaker 7 Imagine you're like trying to like chew through this. I thought, I thought this was going in a different direction.

Speaker 7 I thought she was going to be like holding on for dear life with bubble guts and like she was listening to him sob. That's what I thought.
This was so, I mean, good for her, but

Speaker 7 crying at Taco Bell is fantastic.

Speaker 6 I can't. We're going to do next one.
This one is titled

Speaker 6 Horror Dating Stories. Say my name.
Oh, okay.

Speaker 7 One name.

Speaker 6 After my divorce was final, I eventually got brave and put myself out there on the dating apps. I met a local guy, a cute single dad, and we really hit it off.

Speaker 6 But his name was the same name as my ex-husband's. He went by the full-length name, and my ex-husband goes by the shortened version.
I let it go, kinda, even though it was odd.

Speaker 6 But before I knew it, we were hooking up nearly every single night of the week on every single surface of my house.

Speaker 6 Girl, this guy knew what he was doing. I love that.
Throwing it down.

Speaker 6 After a couple couple months, we had the condom break multiple times, but he said he was snipped and I was on the pill, so we went for it. It was all going great until I looked at his TikTok account.

Speaker 6 He only followed four or five people and I clicked on a girl's profile. Immediately, I'm slapped with brand new TikToks of the two of them together clearly in a relationship.

Speaker 6 I immediately messaged the girl through TikTok and said, please message me. I think we're seeing the same guy.

Speaker 6 She messaged me and we both spilled all of his lies and tea, including that I just found out he had multiple charges for DV and restraining orders.

Speaker 6 She said they were engaged and looking at wedding venues. She then starts sending me screenshots of what he was saying to her that, of course, I was the crazy liar.

Speaker 6 He was sending her fake screenshots, pretending he was texting me. She, of course, believed him.
I told her, good luck with that piece of shit because I was done and she could have him.

Speaker 6 The icing on the cake, her and I have the same first name. What the actual fuck?

Speaker 6 While I was weirded out that I was with a guy with technically the same name as my ex-husband, he's sleeping with a girl with my same exact name.

Speaker 6 And of course, not a week went by before he was back in my DMs begging to have me back. Yeah, fucking right.
He still friend requests me time to time.

Speaker 6 And all while he's in new committed relationships.

Speaker 6 Moral of the story, don't get into situationships with people with the same name as your ex and don't trust that he's not having unprotected sex with other girls just because he's at your house every night of the week.

Speaker 6 Fast forward a few years later. I just made things official with an amazing guy.
And no, he does not have the same name as my ex-husband.

Speaker 7 Thank God. and it's always the ones that will call you like crazy and a liar and downplay things and make you look like you're fucking that shit crazy

Speaker 6 no

Speaker 6 but also that leads me to my question that i've asked you before and you know why how the fuck do they have the time to be at someone's house every fucking day because also fucking other people.

Speaker 7 This is the way it goes. This is the breadcrumbing.

Speaker 6 Please enlighten me.

Speaker 7 It's the breadcrumbing. So they will have you, they have everybody where they want them at all times.

Speaker 7 So, and they also get every single person that they're fucking used to these very specific habits of the breadcrumbing. So, the girl, each girl thinks it's normal, right?

Speaker 7 Like, or each, even if they don't think it's normal, they go along with it, right?

Speaker 7 So, like, the person that I'm thinking of in particular had three regulars and then added some sprinkles in a lot of the time, right?

Speaker 7 So, when fighting with me and we were on the ops for a week, two weeks, he was rotating between these two when it was convenient. And if he was with this one for three days, then this one

Speaker 7 they might not have been fighting, but she was so used to him disappearing for three days and coming back or whatever, very

Speaker 7 seldom, or sprinkling in some conversation. And then, when this one would be fighting with him, then he'd come back to me and then sprinkle in the, you know what I mean? So, like they get

Speaker 6 all three in the same day.

Speaker 7 Typically, no, from what I've noticed, it would be like when we were on the outs, or like he'd be like, oh, I'm going back home.

Speaker 7 Well, back home meant you were going to go be with her for several days.

Speaker 7 And so, yes, it would be like, you're with me every day for maybe two or three weeks at a time.

Speaker 7 But then, because so-and-so would go back home to New York and the other girl was in Wilmington, and then I'm here in Dover. So, it was convenient for you to, it would make sense to them.

Speaker 7 They're back home and you're with me for three weeks. It makes sense.
Oh, now you're going to go back home to go visit your family in Wilmington. So, you're going to go up there.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 7 So, it was like kind of like

Speaker 7 you were with me for three weeks, you were staying with me for weeks at a time, and so it makes you think that you're the only one, and then you're not.

Speaker 6 That's a really well thought-out plan when you really actually think about that.

Speaker 7 It just takes so much work. Like, I, there was a time once upon a time that I had a rotation and a roster, you know what I mean, and it was just so much work that I it wasn't worth it.

Speaker 6 What do you mean? I thought you were a virgin.

Speaker 7 I mean,

Speaker 7 I am.

Speaker 6 I'm gonna give you one more.

Speaker 7 Can't wait.

Speaker 6 Let's see what we have here.

Speaker 6 This one says, crazy dating story. Married men and predatory mayhem receipts attached.

Speaker 7 Oh, I love when receipts are attached.

Speaker 6 This is so good. Hello, hello, hello.
Hope everyone is well and living their absolutely best life. You asked for crazy dating stories, and I'm here to spill some tea.
My name is Sidney.

Speaker 6 Yes, you can use my name. And back in 2017, I was finishing up my last year of undergrad at Humboldt State in Northern California.
It is now a Cal Poly, but wasn't when I went there.

Speaker 6 I was a little late to the college game, so at the time I was 27. I also worked for the housing department as a resident advisor, so I lived in a building with all the freshmen.

Speaker 6 Coupled with this school being in a small town, it's not an exaggeration when I say the dating scene sucked donkey balls. Love that.

Speaker 6 Trying to make the best of it, I scurried off to the dating apps and just wiped my little heart away. I matched with a guy.
We can call him Brandon because that's his name. And to this day,

Speaker 6 I stand by the fact that Brandon can fuck off. You know what?

Speaker 6 We can call him Brandon.

Speaker 6 That's his name. Brandon, you can fuck off sincerely, all of us.

Speaker 6 So,

Speaker 6 really famous podcasts. Yes.
So, after matching, Brandon hit me up and starts with all the one-liners his single brain cell knows. Wow, I love this girl.

Speaker 6 They aren't anything spectacular, but I was Ford. He was cute, and I was trying to get it in.
So I played along.

Speaker 6 After a few days of talking, he asked if we could hang out, so I agreed to meet him in a public place and get a vibe check. We hit it off, we talked, laughed, smoked a J, and made out a little.

Speaker 6 Love that.

Speaker 6 When the subject turned to hooking up, he made a million reasons about why we couldn't go back to his place, and I wasn't really trying to hook up in a dorm room, so we both left that date disappointed.

Speaker 6 Over the next couple of days, he kept texting me all kinds of dirty messages about the things he wanted to do to me.

Speaker 6 And when I would tell him, I'll be over when he's ready, the excuses would start again.

Speaker 6 I finally decided to listen to all the red flags and look him up on Facebook and you probably guessed, immediately found his wife.

Speaker 6 She, I didn't actually guess that. I thought not, I thought maybe girlfriend, not wife.
Okay.

Speaker 6 I guess.

Speaker 6 This is where things take a turn. I messaged this woman with the intent to let her know that her husband had been trying to sleep with me and she replied, letting me know that she knew all about me.

Speaker 6 She helped him pick me out. and that it was all supposed to be fun and games, but I got nosy.

Speaker 6 When I tell you I was shook, I'm all for you living whatever lifestyle you want, but that all comes with consent. And I had no consensual part of this.

Speaker 6 And at no point did he say anything about being in an open marriage. I 100% felt preyed upon and targeted.

Speaker 6 Needless to say, I told him to fuck all the way off, locked them both, and immediately told every person I knew in the area who was single what had just happened so they wouldn't fall for this shit if they matched him.

Speaker 6 I'm so thankful I listened to my gut and did not sleep with this man. It's been 6.5 years since that happened.

Speaker 6 And although I immediately turned off to all the dating apps, I eventually found my way back to them and met my husband on Hinge.

Speaker 6 We've been together three years, and it is disgustingly stupid how much I love this man.

Speaker 6 I guess the moral of the story is: love out there is somewhere, but I always listen to your gut in the meantime. P.S.

Speaker 6 I've attached a screenshot of the message to his wife, as well as a photo of me and my husband. Stay petty and have a great day.

Speaker 6 Stay petty and have a great day. I love you.
We love her.

Speaker 7 Wait, what's her name, Sydney?

Speaker 6 Her name's Sydney.

Speaker 7 We love her so much. We stand Sydney.

Speaker 6 I just, I miss the dating profiles and segments so bad. I had to bring it back.

Speaker 7 You know? Yeah, you had to. We had to bring it back.
I also am wondering, you know what's weird? When I messaged one of the girls that that happened to me with, like the situation.

Speaker 6 Which time? She was like, oh.

Speaker 7 The response was very similar. Like, she was like, yeah, I know all about this already.
Like, do you want a cookie? And it's just like, that's great. She said that to me.

Speaker 6 She literally said that, do you want a cookie?

Speaker 7 And I'm like, how old are we? Like, we're literally in our 20s, late 20s at that. And you're talking about, do I want a cookie?

Speaker 6 Like, grow up. Like, also,

Speaker 6 Cheesecake Factory, actually, but thank you.

Speaker 7 Specifically, eat me an ice cream sandwich. Like, I don't know.

Speaker 7 But I was frustrated because I'm like, that's all great and good that y'all both know what you're doing. And that

Speaker 7 I didn't. And I didn't consent to this.
And that's huge. Like, I did not ask to be played.
Like, it's cool that you're good with it, but like, I'm not a vinyl.

Speaker 6 Like, I don't record to be played. I don't actually know what I would do if, like,

Speaker 6 that was happening to me, and then I find out that he's in an open marriage. I don't know what I would do.

Speaker 7 Well, I think at that point, you're like, you feel stupid, right? Like, you feel dumb because it's like, okay, had I known, I would have been able to make the decision by myself.

Speaker 7 But then you feel dumb because you're like, I'm the only one who didn't fucking know. Yeah.

Speaker 6 Also,

Speaker 7 you didn't.

Speaker 7 If you're in an open marriage, why not say that?

Speaker 6 Like, why not be like, we're looking for a third or something because

Speaker 7 one time

Speaker 7 i like was playing two people and i told one of them that i was

Speaker 7 not like how do i explain that

Speaker 7 i was not i was like one of them i was like oh no like he knows like i'm like it's fine because then if he thought that he knew he wasn't gonna go tell him

Speaker 7 like i'm no fucking dummy but now that i've done both you can't play if you can't you can't bullshit bullshit a bullshitter. And I didn't consent to this.
So

Speaker 6 it's not funny. I mean, consent.

Speaker 7 Just give me a taste of my own medicine because I don't fucking like that shit.

Speaker 6 Absolutely not. No.
But

Speaker 6 that is so funny.

Speaker 7 I love that we were able to podcast and get an update. And we're going to circle back on one of these fucking podcasts, whether it's Coffee Combos or Barely Famous.

Speaker 7 I will be watching the Gypsy Bros Show.

Speaker 6 So I will be watching. Oh, I want to watch it.

Speaker 7 I believe it airs next week.

Speaker 6 I saw a thing for it. I want to watch it too.

Speaker 7 So that will be something that if Lindsay and I don't talk about it, I will 100% talk about it on here. If you guys haven't already joined the Barely Famous official Facebook group, join that.

Speaker 7 Also, Chapter 7 Book Club is a real thing. We're inspiring people every day to get on their reading journey, including Kristen.

Speaker 7 We fucking love turtles. And

Speaker 7 if anyone wants to join, that's exclusive to Patreon.

Speaker 7 We do talk a little bit about reading in the Facebook group, but also there is a specific group on Patreon or a specific collection on Patreon for Book Club.

Speaker 7 And don't forget to follow and subscribe on your favorite podcast app. Go follow Kristen on all the social media.
She doesn't update much, but

Speaker 6 you can't see me, but I'm shaking my head now. I

Speaker 7 absolutely do not go follow me, but go follow her. Thank you, Kristen, for joining us on Fairly Fucking Famous.

Speaker 6 We love y'all.