Club Shay Shay - Damon Wayans Part 2
Welcome back to part 2 of our conversation with Damon Wayans as he opens up about his work with Bernie Mac on Mo’ Money and doing a comedy competition with him. He also recalls a hilarious prank pulled on him by Bruce Willis, shedding light on the playful side of his Hollywood experiences. Yet, not everything in Hollywood was a joke —Damon talks about working on toxic sets and the toll they took on him. He also discusses how he found inspiration for his iconic role of Major Payne.
He goes on to talk about Orlando Brown, who he worked with as a kid. Damon also shares stories about his friendship with basketball legend Michael Jordan and what it's like to have a friendship with someone as iconic as MJ. He even opens up about the dumbest purchase he ever made, offering a humorous take on the lessons he's learned about money. Damon’s perspective on wealth and fame is both thought-provoking and sobering as he reveals how, in his experience, the more money you make, the fewer Black people you see. He praises LeBron James for staying loyal to his friends and working with them to build a successful, tight-knit team.
As for fame, Damon shares his thoughts on the difficulties that come with it —how it’s hard, painful, and managing relationships with family, friends, and money can be a real challenge. He addresses the impact of cancel culture on his career, admitting it’s made him hesitant to return to stand-up. Damon also discusses the issue of joke stealing in comedy, sharing how Robin Williams paid comedians for the jokes he stole from them.
Damon also reflects on his connection with Katt Williams, sharing insights on working together on My Wife and Kids. He touches on the difficult dynamics of nepotism in Hollywood, working with his family, and how he feels about his son, Damon Wayans Jr., stepping into the comedy spotlight.
Damon’s time on My Wife and Kids was a pivotal moment in his career. He talks about making a conscious effort to represent Black families in a positive light. His passion for inclusion shines through as he discusses how important it is to have Black people as a part of his sets and the broader television and film landscape.
In this episode, Damon doesn't shy away from discussing Kanye West, offering a nuanced perspective on Kanye's current behavior while acknowledging his love and admiration for the artist despite the controversy. With a healthy dose of humor and heart, Damon discusses his personal evolution, from his marriage and divorce to his current health challenges, including living with type 2 diabetes and surviving a brain tumor.
This episode is a celebration of family, resilience, and the hard-earned wisdom that comes with a life well-lived. Damon shares how he now values the beauty of his family and faith more than ever and what he wants his legacy to be. Tune in for a candid, inspiring, and hilarious conversation with one of comedy’s brightest stars.
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Thank you for coming back. Part two is underway.
What did Keenan do?
Speaker 2 Pray? What did you do? Mike Tyson won't beat you up. Pray.
Speaker 2 The Super Bowl.
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Fox put that on, put you guys on, and stole the audience. But Marlon said you got him in trouble.
What you do?
Speaker 2 I think I did a gerbil joke with
Speaker 2 Richard Gear. Richard Geer at the 10.
Speaker 2 Improvised that. It was funny.
Speaker 2 We only lost one or two sponsors.
Speaker 2 And they had already got the money.
Speaker 2 What are you mad about?
Speaker 2 But don't put us on live if you don't want it live.
Speaker 2 That was my thing with SNL:
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this is supposed to be live, and I don't feel no edge. Right.
I don't feel, this is so
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I don't know. It's like methodical.
It didn't feel like, oh, there's some danger. You like being on the edge.
I
Speaker 2 loved being on the edge.
Speaker 2 You're not there anymore.
Speaker 2 Yeah, no, I'm older, wiser.
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Speaker 2 As a comedian, stand up, did you ever want,
Speaker 2 was your goal always, before I make my other point, was your goal always to do stand up and go to television? Because it seemed like there's a natural progression.
Speaker 2 You look at Richard Pryor, you look at Gene Wilder, you look at a lot of the others, you know,
Speaker 2 Cosby, you look at a lot of stand-up comedians,
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go that route. Was that your goal? No, I just wanted to be as funny as I could.
Okay. Be on stage.
Speaker 2 And stand-up became therapy fun.
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You know, I've been able to solve a lot of problems in my life by going on stage. And I just enjoyed like talking about my foot.
And I talked about my brother dying. And, you know, just everything.
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And I did stand-up because I had to. Okay.
Because, you know,
Speaker 2 I've been suicidal. I've been, you know, in very, very dark places.
Speaker 2 But, you know, when you go on stage and you talk about it and people laugh you go oh it's not that bad what else is messed up in my life
Speaker 2 is that what is that what a comedian job is is to take real life events and make them funny even if it's even if it's personal events like you said you were suicidal you talk about that and you make a joke out of it or you see things going on in the world you make it funny and you make people laugh and if and for that that set 30 minutes an hour, 90 minutes set, they forget about the problems that there might be going to.
Speaker 2 Yeah, your job as a comedian is to live live until you almost die,
Speaker 2 to survive it and then cry, then put a smile on your face and tell them why.
Speaker 2 Wow.
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That's what Richard did. He said the bar.
Yes.
Speaker 2 Wow.
Speaker 2 Why do you think
Speaker 2 black men get so much criticism for wearing dresses in movies when whites have won Academy Awards for doing said same thing? Because blacks blacks is gay.
Speaker 2 No, I don't know why.
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I just think, you know, you can make anything an issue. For me, it's like, is it funny? Right.
Right. To me, Tyler Perry in a dress all day, every day I'm there.
Right. Hilert.
Speaker 2
That's funny. I don't care.
It's funny. So, you know, if...
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If you do it and it's not funny, then I got a problem with you. Right.
Because you went through hair and makeup and you didn't. Yeah,
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and it wasn't funny. Right.
White chicks, hilarious. Yes.
Big mama house, hilarious.
Speaker 2 I don't, I personally don't have a problem with it. Right.
Speaker 2 I don't know.
Speaker 2 I think we say it because we're crabs in the barrel sometimes and we try to pull people down. But, you know,
Speaker 2 like you said,
Speaker 2
Dustin Hoffman won an Academy Award. Robin Williams.
Williams won an Academy Award. You know, it's like
Speaker 2 I don't have a problem with it.
Speaker 2 Are there any roles that you audition for that you didn't get that you felt you should have gotten? Or there's a role that you turned down, you're like, damn, I probably should have took that one.
Speaker 2 Every role you audition for, you think you should have got.
Speaker 2 But,
Speaker 2 you know, every role is not for you.
Speaker 2 So I had auditioned, not auditioned, they picked me to be in
Speaker 2 Show Me the Money. What movie was that?
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Jerry McGuire. Oh, Jerry McGuire.
Yes.
Speaker 2 Had a big meeting in New York.
Speaker 2 So you was going to be Cooper Gooding's character?
Speaker 2 Yeah, I was up for that.
Speaker 2 They wanted me. I met with Tom Cruise and
Speaker 2 the director, what's his name?
Speaker 2 Cameron
Speaker 2 Crow? Crow, yeah.
Speaker 2 And I think that's his name.
Speaker 2 And we're walking around Jim Brooks' apartment in New York, and we're doing the scene where he meets him at the mall, and he's walking around like this here and I'm on fire.
Speaker 2 My brain is just like I'm improvising and they laughing and me and Tom Cruise, I'm just like
Speaker 2 and out of the corner of my eye I see Tom doing this.
Speaker 2
You're too tall. Yeah and I'm like what is this something on my head? What am I doing? I don't know what's going on.
And then afterwards, I didn't get it.
Speaker 2 And Cameron wrote me this beautiful five-page letter and it's explaining to me like how talented he thinks I am and how great and wonderful. And, you know, but you know, it was out of his control.
Speaker 2
And it's fine. Right.
Because Cooper laid it out.
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Do I think I would have gotten an Oscar? I don't, I don't know. But I don't, I don't even think for one minute about another man's success.
I'm happy for him. Right.
It's another brother, chalk it up.
Speaker 2
Right. Another one.
Did something good. But you were supposed to be like Batman Forever, also, right? No, that was Marlon.
Marlon?
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Richard Pryorbob. When is that? because we keep talking about it.
And if I'm not mistaken, I think Mike Yelps was like close to doing it, and then something happened. Right.
Speaker 2
Well, I was the original one that they picked, and supposedly Richard wanted me to do it. And Martin Scorsese was going to produce it.
And
Speaker 2 it was...
Speaker 2
You know, we met about it. They loved it and, you know, just felt I could really...
And then I don't know what happened, but it went from me to Eddie to
Speaker 2 Mike Epps to Marlin. It's just like,
Speaker 2 you know. Are we going to get that? Are we going to get
Speaker 2
the biop of Richard Pryor? I hope so. There was a wonderful script written by this playwright in New York.
I forgot his name.
Speaker 2 Feel bad. Anyway, but he wrote this amazing script based on Richard Pryor's book,
Speaker 2 Pryor
Speaker 2 Misdemeanors.
Speaker 2 Right.
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And it's just great. And then I don't know what the politics are, but it's a movie that needs to be made.
Right.
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Because his life is complex. I mean, you can't sugarcoat it.
It is what it is. It's his life.
He lived it. I don't think it's his life.
I think it's his ex-wife
Speaker 2 who wants to make it her story.
Speaker 2 Okay. Because I read her book, A Fallen Angel, which was a good book, but Richard was abusive, and she wants it to be more about that.
Speaker 2 And I met with Jennifer, and I was like, look, Richard Pryor is Malcolm X with Punchlines. That's how black people see him.
Speaker 2 They would lose their minds if they made this movie about you.
Speaker 2 It ain't gonna fly.
Speaker 2 You are a mimical part of Richard Pryor
Speaker 2 to us. So
Speaker 2 you do yourself a disservice trying to make it this
Speaker 2 here.
Speaker 2 This that you have have right now
Speaker 2
is amazing. You should go with that.
And then I never heard from her again.
Speaker 2 Wow.
Speaker 2 Bernie Mac was in Mo Money. Mm-hmm.
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Who's Bernie like? Love Bernie Mac. One of the funniest guys ever.
Oh, man.
Speaker 2 You know,
Speaker 2 Bernie Mac was, I was there
Speaker 2 doing in Chicago the
Speaker 2 Miller Light Comedy,
Speaker 2
I guess it was comedy competition. Okay, Okay, yeah.
And they were giving the winner like $15,000.
Speaker 2
And Bernie won that night. I was hosting.
And Bernie, that was the same night that
Speaker 2 Robin Harris died.
Speaker 2 Okay, yeah.
Speaker 2 Right?
Speaker 2 And
Speaker 2 he did a tribute to Robin Harris, and that's how he won. Wow.
Speaker 2 I'm looking at this. You and the last Boy Scout were Halley Berry and Bruce Willis.
Speaker 2 How did you and Bruce team up and come up with this? Oh, he didn't team up. I got a call
Speaker 2 that they wanted to meet me in New York. Okay.
Speaker 2 And this is funny because I
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say, okay, I'm going to come to New York. He was shooting some movie in New York, I think Howard Hawke or something like that.
And they flew me out.
Speaker 2 The limo driver comes to pick me up at my house and he has a sign that's saying Keenan Wayans.
Speaker 2 I was like, oh, snap.
Speaker 2 Man, okay. And I get in the car, get to the airport, the greeter, Keenan Ivory Wayans.
Speaker 2 I think they want Keenan.
Speaker 2
I get to my hotel. I check in under Keenan and I get there.
And I'm like, all right, I'm going to just go for this. And I go and I go to the set, and Bruce goes, gotcha.
Speaker 2 I was like, oh, you sound.
Speaker 2 I was like, I had a knot in my stomach because I was, you know,
Speaker 2 you don't want me, but I'm here and I just wanted to meet you. Right.
Speaker 2 But they wanted me and they put me in the movie and
Speaker 2 it was good to do
Speaker 2 a big action film. Yes.
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You know, it's weird when you, you know, when you do sketches, it's like five minutes and then you're done. Right.
When you're doing a movie.
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Three months, six months. Yeah, six months.
And you just go, wow, this is
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big budget. We're having lobster and steak every day for lunch.
I'm like, man, this is crazy.
Speaker 2 How have you learned? I mean, is it a situation where you've ever been on set and you're doing something, and you and maybe someone in the movie don't get along?
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How do you suppress that and say, you know what? I'm here to do the movie. Damn you, damn him, damn her, whatever the case may be.
I'm doing this, and then I'm gonna be out.
Speaker 2 I don't care if I ever see y'all again. It happens, and you know, you
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would see my family. Whenever we do something, it's always a party.
Right. You come on a a set of a women's project, it's a party.
Speaker 2 People hug each other and they laugh, and you know, and it's all right, quiet, let's own the set.
Speaker 2 We're trying to make the people behind the camera laugh, and you know, but then you go on another set, and it's I've been on toxic sets where you just go, damn, I don't, this don't feel good, right?
Speaker 2 This is just this is like this is this is horrible, you know, and you okay being this kind of an asshole and you're going to maintain this for the rest of the next three months? Wow.
Speaker 2 I don't get it. And I've worked with people who are just like,
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you ready for it to be over, huh? Yes. Ready to like quit.
Like, I'm out. Check, please.
Speaker 2 Major pain.
Speaker 2 Is that your masterpiece?
Speaker 2 Is that your Emona Lisa? Is that your...
Speaker 2 I love major pain. The funny thing about major pain, and most of the times with my projects, I worry about other people first.
Speaker 2 I think about like what are the kids do they do they know their character I didn't figure out the character of major pain until the cameras rolled
Speaker 2 so I was like with so there was a guy we had to do like I worked with a tech guy went down to Camp Pendleton and
Speaker 2 this guy named Captain Dale died and Captain Dale died talk like this.
Speaker 2 But he was always like this. That's how we talk.
Speaker 2 And I was like, that's interesting, but that's too
Speaker 2 it's it'll get on your nerves.
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And then the stunt coordinator was a guy named Billy Washington. And Billy had an overbite, and Billy talked like this.
And Billy would, he, he, he, he was real mean.
Speaker 2 He told the guy, a stunt man, we was doing blank man, right?
Speaker 2 He was on a gurney, and the guy was opening up multiple doors,
Speaker 2 laying on the gurney, but he had come up too high, so his head was hitting the doors, going through. and
Speaker 2 he was going ow ow and at the end of the take Billy said
Speaker 2 you want me to call your mama
Speaker 2 get your ass back on that table and get the scene done and the guy was his head was bleeding I was like this dude is crazy so I took Billy Washington and Captain Dale dye and I came with Major Payne because he had a overbite.
Speaker 2 I mean, he talked and looked crazy, you know? So, yeah.
Speaker 2 It was, it was,
Speaker 2 I think people love it because it's so extreme and to torture kids is fun. You know what I mean? And to actually get away with it, you know, where it's funny to them and funny to me.
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And one of the greatest feelings is to sit and watch it with my grandkids and they laugh. Right.
And you just go, wow, that's amazing.
Speaker 2 Orlando Brown was a star in your movie.
Speaker 2 He was very, very talented as a kid, but now seemingly
Speaker 2 going viral for all the wrong reasons.
Speaker 2 Have you
Speaker 2 touched him? Huh? He said, I touched him? No.
Speaker 2 He be wild with it. Yeah.
Speaker 2 Have you reached out to him?
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Have you spoken to him? No. I mean, he's somebody else who I love Orlando.
We had a great time on Major Payne. And, you know, there were times, but, you know, sometimes God got to talk to you.
Right.
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You know, and I don't know who's around him. I don't know.
We don't have that kind of relationship.
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You know what I mean? I love him. I want what's best for him.
But, you know,
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he need somebody, hey, come here, young, let's talk. You know? And I don't feel one, I don't know, I don't have his information.
The other thing is.
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Y'all don't have that type of relationship. And I don't you don't want to get rejected.
Right. You know what I mean?
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You don't know what's when somebody starts talking crazy, you don't know what they'll do. It's not what he'll say.
Right. It's what he'll do.
Right.
Speaker 2 If I tried to reach out to him, you know what I mean? So I I just hope
Speaker 2 that
Speaker 2 he finds peace because he definitely is not
Speaker 2 in a good place right now.
Speaker 2 As being a top comedic stand-up, being a top actor, obviously in the 90s you had it going on.
Speaker 2 I mean, do you buy anything lavish? Did you live? I mean, you say you broke your marriage up, so
Speaker 2 you kind of live in a house. You had a nice house
Speaker 2 in a gated community.
Speaker 2 And Michael Jordan moved in next door to shoot Space Jam.
Speaker 2 But my wife got that.
Speaker 2
You go over to check him out. You talk to him? Yeah, we became like friends.
But I gave Michael
Speaker 2 his space
Speaker 2 because you don't go behind a gated community to be bothered
Speaker 2 by the dude next door. So
Speaker 2 we had a have a friendship, and it's based in
Speaker 2 love and respect.
Speaker 2 He's taught me a lot of things about life and how to navigate fame and all that other stuff but she got the house she got the house you want it back
Speaker 2 no i want her happy
Speaker 2 no honestly because it's it's you know when you say it's over it's over right and you pay whatever when you think about you know, giving up, who Jeff Bezos gave up, like 3 billion?
Speaker 2 No, 40 plus billion. No, that was the other guy who's a
Speaker 2 stocks. Oh,
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it was over $40. But that was just for peace.
The price of peace. I like Chaos for $40 billion.
$40 billion.
Speaker 2 But he going to go make a business. Yeah, but
Speaker 2 he got $230 now, so he good.
Speaker 2 But,
Speaker 2 you know, as a woman, you got to say, someone would give me $40 billion to get out of their life?
Speaker 2 Damn.
Speaker 2 I sure wish I had 40 billion.
Speaker 2 What do you think the dumbest purchase you've ever made?
Speaker 2 Drugs.
Speaker 2 Back in the day.
Speaker 2 Dumb.
Speaker 2
But I've never really been an addict. I was just stupid.
Hardcore stuff?
Speaker 2 Coke. I've done pretty much everything.
Speaker 2
But I always liked getting up and going to work. So I never could get addicted.
I I didn't have time to get addicted to anything. But now it's just like you go,
Speaker 2 well, I'm glad I experienced it
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and I'm done. I came out on the other side.
I don't need nothing. Nothing.
Did it interfere with any time?
Speaker 2 Was the drugs ever
Speaker 2 a hindrance for anything that you were doing at the time? No, I was doing the drugs to do the things I wanted to do.
Speaker 2 Yeah, but if it's like, you know,
Speaker 2 I feel bad for people today because it's so dangerous. The drugs they're doing could kill you.
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I ain't never, if you told me this could kill you, I wouldn't do it. Right.
Because you don't know what you're getting. Now they're lacing it with everything.
And
Speaker 2 what have you learned about money?
Speaker 2 Money you see is money you spend.
Speaker 2 And people always want to spend your money when they see you.
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True. True.
And the thing is, for me, money is not, money is a tool, right? And I'm I'm grateful to have some tools, you know, and to be able to help people when I can. Yes.
Speaker 2 But right now, I don't need nothing.
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I have everything I want in life, you know, and really that's my peace with God and peace with man. Right.
And then, you know, I got my music. I'm a vinyl freak.
I love vinyl music.
Speaker 2
Also, you got a bunch of old 45s, huh? No, the albums. I don't have the 45s.
Yeah, I have the
Speaker 2 albums.
Speaker 2 I have some 45s, but for disco, I used to DJ.
Speaker 2
I've always DJ. Okay.
And I've always had two turntables my whole life since I was like 13 years old.
Speaker 2 You said money is a
Speaker 2 tool.
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Because people look at money in different ways. Me, I look at money.
I like, it's not so much money. I like freedom.
Speaker 2 Freedom is what money provides.
Speaker 2 So, you know, and I think there are different things.
Speaker 2 I mean, because if I could have freedom and still be what I am, be, you know, still not have to worry about anything, because that's what, you know, you want to get to a place like we were just talking about, the 40 billion.
Speaker 2
See, if you get 40 billion, you can say F you. I don't care.
I don't want to do nothing.
Speaker 2
I don't like you. I've been wanting to say this for the longest time.
Yeah, but you got, you know, we live in an Etcher sketch society where
Speaker 2 you're no longer free.
Speaker 2
So you can't rely on on your money. Okay.
Because you don't know what's going to be written on the next extra sketch. Right.
Right. So you can't.
Speaker 2 I feel like I can't
Speaker 2 think about my money
Speaker 2 in terms of my freedom. My freedom is, you know, what
Speaker 2
God gave me. My ability to create, my ability to love, my ability to be disciplined and to take care of myself and those I love.
Right.
Speaker 2 There was a viral clip. You did a stand-up special and say you were talking about blacks making millions then and asked if there's still racism in America.
Speaker 2 And
Speaker 2 can you believe that video in 1990, we're talking about 35 years ago, is still viral today? Well, it's never going to change.
Speaker 2 But you do realize people think that people think once a black person get millions, hundreds of millions, that racism has dissipated.
Speaker 2
Well, Damon, if you made $100 million, you worth $200 million. How is there racism? Right.
Well, what happens is the more money you make, the less black people you see.
Speaker 2 Money brings you into a new category. You move to a different house in a different neighborhood, and you get different friends, your money people that come around you to help you make the money,
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maintain your money, and make more money. The complexion changes, you know what I mean? I like that.
That's what I love about LeBron.
Speaker 2 You know, he's got
Speaker 2
home. He got Mav and he got Randy and he got rich.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 So he kept that group
Speaker 2
around him. Yeah.
But unless you have that group, because like you say, the higher you climb, the less you're going to see. And you're like, okay, well, they don't treat me that way.
So it's gone.
Speaker 2 And it's divide and conquer.
Speaker 2 At a certain point, they sit you down.
Speaker 2 You know,
Speaker 2
Beyonce's father. All right, we got it from here.
The Jacksons. All right, Joe.
We got it. We got him from here.
You know, you sit there and go, what?
Speaker 2 You know, Venus is Arena. We got him.
Speaker 2
You know, but it's, and if you want them to be successful, you have to kind of let it happen. And then they hit new heights.
But you become a liability.
Speaker 2 You know what I mean? As the parent. Well, where were you those nights in the rain when we were hitting balls? Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 Yeah.
Speaker 2
Let me ask you this. When you're on top of the world and you were, you still are.
I mean, you got to, you live a great life, like you said, you live a great life.
Speaker 2
You don't have any, you're not overly concerned about money. You have a family.
You can still feed your family. You got grandkids.
But when you're at that apex in the 90s, what was that like?
Speaker 2
It was a pain in the ass. Really? Yeah.
Like, being famous is like being a beautiful woman on a period.
Speaker 2 Okay,
Speaker 2 nobody knows the cramps and stuff that you
Speaker 2
feel. Yeah, they see the external beauty and they think you should be happy.
And it's like,
Speaker 2
I'm bleeding. Right.
Okay, you want to know? I'm bleeding.
Speaker 2 So what was
Speaker 2 we see this external? We see Damon and everything like, man, major pain and more money and yada and yada.
Speaker 2 What was brewing inside that we couldn't see? Clubbed foot.
Speaker 2
You know, my foot, I'm always in pain. Really? Oh, constant pain.
Yeah. It's like a throbbing pain, you know, so, but it's
Speaker 2
you get used to it. They can't do anything for it.
They can't give you like medication or shoot it up or something. I don't want medication.
It's a reminder to be grateful.
Speaker 2
This foot took me a long way. You know, if I didn't have this pain, I wouldn't have this edge.
I wouldn't have my perspective on life. I wouldn't have that fire on my tongue, right?
Speaker 2 So I'm grateful.
Speaker 2
But people can't see that. Right.
People can't see that you are,
Speaker 2 you know, the internal conflicts you have, you know, with family and friends and people, you know, that you tend to lose friends because you loan them money and then they don't pay you back.
Speaker 2
And then they get mad at you. Because you asked for it back.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 Not even for asking for it, just because you look at them. I'm going to pay you, man.
Speaker 2
I shouldn't say nothing. Yeah.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 But
Speaker 2 why is it like that? Why, I mean,
Speaker 2
if you come to me and ask me for money, I shouldn't have to go to you to repay it. You should be mad enough.
You was mad enough to ask. Here you go.
Speaker 2
But I've learned, Neyman, I don't know what you think about this. I'll only lend money that I know I can lose that I'm not getting back.
Right. It's a gift.
Yes. That's how I do it.
I give it.
Speaker 2
Because I already know, because we're going to end up falling out. And I don't want to fall out.
I don't want a 10, 15, 20, 30-year relationship to end over money. So here you go.
Speaker 2
Because I know you're not going to pay me back. Right.
Well, I mean, that's what, that's maturity. Yeah.
It's like, you know, you just, I don't, I've
Speaker 2 paid a lot of people out of my life.
Speaker 2
You mentioned like stand-up is, is stand-up therapeutic for you? Absolutely. Why'd you stop? I used to have to need, guys, I don't need it anymore.
And. You don't need therapy no more?
Speaker 2 No.
Speaker 2
No, I'm at peace. I really am.
I'm at peace. And, you know, the therapy is knowing that I can bow my head and, you know, that God is hearing my prayers and seeing in my life my prayers answered.
Speaker 2 And it ain't for material things. It's for the safety of my family and, you know, for me to have wisdom and to be grateful for everything.
Speaker 2 It's therapeutic.
Speaker 2 You don't need to scratch that itch anymore. So now what do you do
Speaker 2
to replace what you gave up by doing college? I write. Okay.
I write. for sport.
I drive my son crazy because every other week I'm sending him a script. Read this.
Speaker 2
Dad. I got a life.
I have six kids.
Speaker 2
Come on, man. Just read it.
When you get a chance, read it. But I write because
Speaker 2 I do have a fear of going crazy.
Speaker 2 You know,
Speaker 2 because you have so much going on in your head. No, because I'm running my family.
Speaker 2 It's like diabetes. You got to know.
Speaker 2
You got to know that it's a possibility. Right.
And the thing is, you know, I can't turn my brain off. I can't not think about these stories and characters that come to mind.
Speaker 2
So rather than have them up in my head scrambled, I put them on paper and I go, man, one day I make money off of this or sell it or something. But I had to get it out.
Do you sleep? I do.
Speaker 2 I sleep wonderfully. How you sleep so well?
Speaker 2 And it's hard for you to turn your mind off. When you get 65,
Speaker 2
it's easy. You just lay down.
All you got to do is see the bed.
Speaker 2 It's beautiful. Did cancel culture scare you away? Cancel culture made me
Speaker 2 not
Speaker 2 really
Speaker 2 want to do stand-up. I had this long conversation with Dave Chappelle.
Speaker 2 He's like, Man, we need you. Get back out there, man.
Speaker 2
We need that voice. Come on.
And I was like, and I had done it again at his,
Speaker 2 you know, his him encouraging me to do it. But,
Speaker 2 you know,
Speaker 2 today you can't be a shock comic.
Speaker 2 No.
Speaker 2
Especially if you're famous. Right.
Because the hitch in your pockets. Right.
Speaker 2 So back in the day, guys like Sam Kennison and Dice Clay, and, you know,
Speaker 2
that's how I grew up. I grew up with guys that, you know, start trouble.
You know, they say it, and it's like people,
Speaker 2
you know, they want to talk about comedy. You got reporters talking about comedy.
You don't know my world. You are not qualified to to talk about comedy.
Speaker 2
If you ain't never bought a joke or told a joke or sold a joke or stole a joke. Or wrote a joke.
Or wrote a joke, you have no business talking about comedy. You ain't never been paid in burgers.
Speaker 2 You can't talk about comedy.
Speaker 2 So I think a conversation about comedy and what's acceptable should be held amongst comedians.
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Speaker 2 If Dave Chappelle wants to talk to me about my act, I want to hear it.
Speaker 2 If Jerry Seinfeld, if Jay Leno, guys who've done it, yeah, I want to hear what you say because you're going to do it in a way to encourage,
Speaker 2 right?
Speaker 2 Not to just tell me you can't.
Speaker 2 I ain't never put on a football helmet and got hit by no guy your size and got up and did it again. What can I talk to you about? football just because I watch some games?
Speaker 2 I can watch a thousand games and I can't tell you what a locker room smell like.
Speaker 2 You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 I don't know the camaraderie sitting on that plane flying into bad weather I don't I haven't experienced that so I can't talk to you intelligently about it same thing with comedy it's a conversation for comedians not reporters
Speaker 2 but Chappelle has been one of the few guys
Speaker 2 that have been able to beat cancel culture because they can't take because you know normally like you said they hit you in the purse
Speaker 2 but he's like wait I just put up a dot-com and i just go do it i don't need hollywood i don't need to do movies anymore so you really you can't really hit me where it hurts me which is financially it's it's it's also he's a unicorn
Speaker 2 right and dave has
Speaker 2 rode the wave right of you know he didn't take any breaks it's when you take the break And then you try to come back. Okay.
Speaker 2 Then they can hit you and get you because
Speaker 2 he already knows how to talk to them. They're his puppets.
Speaker 2 You know what I mean? They bow to Dave Chappelle because he is the only real
Speaker 2 voice out there in terms of holding us down,
Speaker 2
holding comedy down. So, you know, yeah, I mean, but you can't be a shock comedian.
Today, you have to have a conversation. Like, I could do stand-up,
Speaker 2
but it's like understanding you can't go on stage. You maybe go, man, I hate my wife.
And then now you say, I hate, and it's, you hear women,
Speaker 2 you know, and it's like, but if you go on stage, you go, I don't understand women. Right.
Speaker 2
That's different. Now the guard is down.
Help me understand why women are like, you know, same behavior, the manner we're doing. Right? It's a conversation, not a proclamation.
Right.
Speaker 2 So, yeah, I could do it, but I like going on stage and say, I hate.
Speaker 2 I want to hate stuff.
Speaker 2 I mean, where Bursus was out, you'd like to do a versus. I was just having a conversation with somebody on the radio and go, have you ever thought about a versus?
Speaker 2
And I said, Dave Chappelle, because I think Dave Chappelle is like, you know, like... He's a Mario Heath on cow.
Who should I said?
Speaker 2 You know,
Speaker 2
I don't want to dog anybody here, but like, you know, I'm a great comedian. Right.
So I want to do,
Speaker 2
I would do a versus against another great comedian. Right.
You know what I mean? That's all I was saying, but they took it out of context. They took it out of context.
Speaker 2 With Trump being in office, the PC culture, because now people feel very comfortable saying, doing pretty much anything. Are you okay with that?
Speaker 2 I'd rather know
Speaker 2 how you feel, what you think.
Speaker 2 Yeah, you know, I'd rather say, no, you don't have the job.
Speaker 2
Or say, no, you got the job. You're right.
As opposed to no
Speaker 2 black person,
Speaker 2
we don't want you to work. Right.
Right? So I think it's, you know, we've lost our way, I think, as a society. And we're so, you know,
Speaker 2 I call it theification of men,
Speaker 2 where you don't, you know, it's like everybody is,
Speaker 2 I don't know, just
Speaker 2
soft. Yes.
You know, and it's soft about. Everybody's scared to say how they really feel.
Yeah. It's like,
Speaker 2 what's wrong with telling the truth
Speaker 2 say it
Speaker 2 say the truth at least i know where to go or where you know where not to go
Speaker 2 joe rogan said you need better friends you needed somebody to tell you said dama get your ass back on stage man you're too good to be housed up holed up in a house writing put those writing and go do a set
Speaker 2 um
Speaker 2 i
Speaker 2
I love Joe Rogan. I've actually stolen a joke from Joe Rogan.
You stole the joke? Yeah, but you know how people feel about stealing jokes nowadays. No,
Speaker 2 not intentionally. So here's what happens with comedians: is like you, this is why I don't watch comics, is because
Speaker 2 you are, you can't help but have that writer on in your brain go, oh, if he had done that,
Speaker 2 right? So
Speaker 2 the school I grew up in, if you watched a comedian do something on stage and then you, after he comes off, you go, I got a tag for you.
Speaker 2 And you give him that joke that you wrote in your head because that's his.
Speaker 2 So when I was coming up, it was like we go to this place called Cantors, a little dive on Fairfax.
Speaker 2 And after the cullups closed down like two, three o'clock in the morning, Jerry Seinfeld would be at a table and Jay Leno and my brother and Robert Townsend. And we were poor.
Speaker 2 We were eating French fries, sharing some french fries. That's how broke we were.
Speaker 2 What would happen is Jay would come over and go, hey, Keenan, I saw you do this joke. And then I was thinking about that.
Speaker 2 And then Keenan would get up and go and tell Jerry, and Jerry would come over and tell Arsinio, you know, and it was like a community.
Speaker 2 And if another comedian was on stage doing somebody else's act, they would yell up, That's Jeff Cesario.
Speaker 2 Really? In the middle of your act. Yep.
Speaker 2
I was there tonight, Joe Rogan was going to beat up Carlos Mancia. He stole a joke.
Yeah. And he told, and
Speaker 2 Carlos said, Hey, it worked for you.
Speaker 2
I like that. I like that.
You're so stupid. I can't even hit you because you just really believe that.
Speaker 2
I know you, I don't know if you watched the interview, but you've heard it. Kat sat down with me about a year ago.
Oh, the world heard it.
Speaker 2 And people got upset with me, Damon, because they say, well, you should have defended this, you should have defended that, or you shouldn't have. All I did was ask him a question.
Speaker 2 I didn't know
Speaker 2 that
Speaker 2
there was so much animosity or beef between comedians. I don't think the world knew it.
The comedic world knew it because you live in that, like you said, you live in that world.
Speaker 2 So you know what guys, gals don't get along with each other.
Speaker 2 When you heard the interview, tell me what went through your mind. I laughed.
Speaker 2
Because Kat is funny. Kat is one of the fewest comedians that in one word, you know who it is.
Amara.
Speaker 2
As soon as he opened his mouth, him, Wanda Sykes, Chris Rock. you know, that means you have a clear and distinctive voice, right? Right.
So when I watch a comedian, I'm watching funny.
Speaker 2 I'm watching what's going on behind his eyes when he goes, um,
Speaker 2
and he reaches for his drink and then he starts, and he's thinking funny. Right.
He's really roasting these guys. Right.
Speaker 2
People took it, you know, like personal, like he's trying to, he was just having fun. Right.
Got that liquor in him, had the the fire going behind him, you know, he was like feeling stuff.
Speaker 2 I don't think I personally don't think it's right that I feel like we're a fraternity, and there's enough stuff going on out there for you to be talking about instead of talking about what's going on in here.
Speaker 2 You know what I mean? Right. Because,
Speaker 2 you know,
Speaker 2 like I said,
Speaker 2
I think it's funny, but everybody steals jokes. Right.
You know, it's like, it's not stealing the joke. It's once you know it's not yours and you keep doing it, that's the crime.
Speaker 2
Because this is, you know, it's funny how it works. The mind just works and it's grabbing stuff, especially for, you know, people who don't write jokes.
Right. They just go up on stage and talk.
Speaker 2 Right.
Speaker 2 Cat Williams talks. You know.
Speaker 2
Steve Harvey, you know, that's you just talk. Right.
It's almost like being an MC and you're going, hey, where you from? What you do? And the first thing that comes to mind is what you say.
Speaker 2 But sometimes you're saying the first thing that came to your mind is somebody else's joke.
Speaker 2 Do you have to give,
Speaker 2 if you steal somebody's joke, do you have to give them credit for it?
Speaker 2 No, you know, Robin Williams was a notorious thief.
Speaker 2 I ain't lying.
Speaker 2 His manager used to walk around with a checkbook.
Speaker 2 And Robin would come off stage and comedium, hey, he just took me age, write him a check, $75.
Speaker 2 Damn. Because he knew Robin was all streamer conscious.
Speaker 2
And he would steal material. He was known.
Comedians would go, I'm not going on because Robin's here. Right.
Speaker 2
You know, but it happens. Right.
But I always look at like comedy like this. If it's not the last joke I'm ever going to tell,
Speaker 2
I ain't going to treat it like that. Oh, okay.
You ain't taking my wife
Speaker 2
or my kid. It's just a joke.
That means I got to think of something else.
Speaker 2 You know what I mean? But for people to be all, you know, up in arms about a joke, really, what is the joke? Did the joke end the war
Speaker 2 in the Middle East?
Speaker 2 Was it that powerful? Then what you tripping over?
Speaker 2 The creator from the Jamie Fox show say he and Jamie, if I'm not mistaken, haven't received a check.
Speaker 2 Because he said the network said they're still in the red as if they're operating at a loss 25 years later.
Speaker 2
It's hard for, and I think a lot of people, when they hear that, it's hard for them to believe, especially with the success that the Jamie Foxx show enjoyed. Well, it was on the network.
Yeah. Right.
Speaker 2 So I made a lot of money off a wife and kids.
Speaker 2
So I can't relate to that. Right.
It's a different network, though. So Jamie and, you know, and Living Color, too.
I get like residual checks for 39 cents. I'm like, what is that? Trying to be funny?
Speaker 2
Yeah. Right? Y'all saved the postage for that.
Right. So, but, but that's what they send out.
Now, what happened with these upstart networks, WB was one of them, Fox was one of them.
Speaker 2 They got these sweetheart deals from SAG and AFTRA, where they didn't have to because they were the upstart, right? But they still,
Speaker 2
you know, operating as if they just started. Right.
And WB, my brothers, didn't really make no money off the Waynes Brothers show. So, you know, like I said, I made a lot of money from wife and kids.
Speaker 2 So that's why you want to be on major networks? Yeah, I still get checks.
Speaker 2 Not to rub it in, but I still get checks. My wife and kids,
Speaker 2 what's your favorite memory? Because, I mean, like I said, you were voted one of the greatest TV dads of all time.
Speaker 2
Greatest moments was the bond that I had with Tisha and George and Jennifer and Lil Parker. You know, it was just some of the best times.
And, you know, everything I do is family. So
Speaker 2 Damon Jr. was there, and my son Michael, and my sister
Speaker 2 Kim wasn't there.
Speaker 2 But like
Speaker 2 a lot of family, you know, on a day-to-day. And it's nothing like walking in and seeing
Speaker 2 faces that look like you.
Speaker 2 You know, and now. Is that conscious?
Speaker 2 When you do things like that, you're like, I want to make sure
Speaker 2 that
Speaker 2 we're well represented.
Speaker 2 If I don't, nobody else will.
Speaker 2 So if you don't make that conscious effort, that you know, you hire a producer who happens to be white because that's who the studio wants because they control their money and they want to make sure that their money, you know, okay, that's cool.
Speaker 2 And then you tell him, the mandate, I need you to hire some black folks. He's going to give you one or two people, hair and makeup.
Speaker 2
And you go, no, that's not enough. I need department heads.
I want cameraman. I want a cameraman.
I want, you know, I'm very like adamant about what I want. Right.
Speaker 2 And, you know, when you walk on, and I understand all white sets because people want to be, it's about a comfort zone. Being comfortable.
Speaker 2 You want to be racist and tell those jokes, and then you look up and you see the black grip walking around, you just feel uncomfortable.
Speaker 2
You can't tell your jokes. Right? Okay.
But it's the same way with us. It's like we bring in people and it's a family and
Speaker 2
you're free to express yourself. We want to talk about eating oxtails.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.
Speaker 2
But you had Cat was on the set of My Wife and Kids for a few episodes. Oh, yeah, Cat used to open for me.
I knew Cat was, you know. Did you know you knew Cat was going to blow up? Absolutely.
Speaker 2
That's why I brought him on Wife and Kids because he would open for me. Cat was one of those comedians.
Like I took him to Vegas. He got standing ovation, 20-minute set.
Speaker 2 Wow.
Speaker 2 He was powerful, still powerful. But he was like,
Speaker 2 when he was young, he was all over doing splits and sliding across the stage. And you just go, wow, I got to bring my A-game.
Speaker 2 You know what I mean? And I think, you know, what most comedians, you know, respected about me
Speaker 2 is I never told them to not do material. Like, you know, it's customary for the opening act to go, hey, is there any jokes that you don't want? I said, no, go do you.
Speaker 2
Really? Yeah, I don't want you to tamp. I want you to hold on anything.
D-Ray, all of these guys. Nope, just don't hold it in.
Just go back. I just have to be better.
Hold on.
Speaker 2
I'm reading that you have an Oscar Worthy film with Kat, your brother Marlon, Terry Cruz, that you won't release. Yeah.
Why? The myth.
Speaker 2 Oh, you.
Speaker 2 It's just, you know, what happened was I shot this movie called Behind a Smile about this comedian who moves from Cleveland to L.A. and he meets his idol, who's me, and his idol sees his potential.
Speaker 2 He takes him under his wing and then destroys him.
Speaker 2 Because he's threatened by him to the point where the kid blows his brains out on stage.
Speaker 2
It's called Behind the Smile. And Marlin is absolutely brilliant in this movie.
But I went to sell it and Netflix was the first place to come to me. This is before, so this movie was in 2004 or five.
Speaker 2 And they came to me and I didn't like the deal. So I just said, I'm putting the vault.
Speaker 2 But that was the like the only I mean we got great reviews and we did a festival up in
Speaker 2 Aspen, and Dave Chappelle was like, oh, man, that's my favorite movie. That's why I went to Africa.
Speaker 2 So if they were to come back and offer you more money, would you let it go? Yeah,
Speaker 2
I told Marlin, I don't want to go shop it. But if he can sell it, sell it.
It's fine. It's a great...
Speaker 2 He is brilliant. Cat is brilliant.
Speaker 2 This is like, you know, like Cat Williams, George wallace uh uh what's his name um bob he died recently bob saying saggett is in it and uh jim belushi and uh yeah it's just it's a great great cast you got many how many movies do you think you have in the vault that you've shot or you got scripts just that one but of scripts it's crazy
Speaker 2 i've got cabinets of scripts, TV and film, because I have to write.
Speaker 2 I have to, just
Speaker 2 because it gives me
Speaker 2
peace and it also gives me something to think about. That's like, so when I wake up in the morning, I'm thinking about my script.
I'm not thinking about what's wrong in the world. Right.
Speaker 2 Thinking about these characters.
Speaker 2 You know I got a production company, right? Do you?
Speaker 2 I'm going to give you some if you want.
Speaker 2
I gave you some. I just wrote it.
Yeah, I do.
Speaker 2 You might need to
Speaker 2 look at that film.
Speaker 2 I know some people that know some people. Well, let's meet some people.
Speaker 2
Do some things with some people. Papa's house, your new show.
Yes.
Speaker 2 Brother, sister, granddaughter. I mean,
Speaker 2
you mentioned that, like, when you do something, yay, it's a family affair. Right, because I'm going to go to...
Here's what is wonderful about doing my show.
Speaker 2
So my granddaughter is actually an episode. She's brilliant.
Robert Townsend directed it.
Speaker 2 It's crazy because Robert Townsend directed me and my first thing, and then he's directing my granddaughter and her first thing. Wow.
Speaker 2 Then my sister Kim is a director, writer, Sean is a writer.
Speaker 2
Damien directed an episode. Michael's in the writer's room, Kim.
And, you know, it's just like to walk in,
Speaker 2 it's what it does to me psychologically is I have to check my ego at the door.
Speaker 2
Right. So I walk in and I got to show them how to do it, how to lead.
Right. And so, you know, my son is also an EP, but, you know, he's kind of deferring to his dad.
Right.
Speaker 2 But it's also like my temperament is so that
Speaker 2 everybody feels at ease. Right.
Speaker 2
As Damon goes, so goes the show. Right.
Right.
Speaker 2
And Junior also is like, you know, it's like, no, we got to be here on time all the time. You know, you're EP.
You got to set an example. Right.
Speaker 2 When you say all your, so people in your family is in the room.
Speaker 2 How different are you you intellectually like when you write how close how similar um are you like you think like keenan do you think like marlon does kim think like you does sean sean think like this i'm like this you know at the end of the day i have veto power so i want to know what you bring to the table i want to hear what you think and that's every writer in the room everybody has good ideas right but not every idea is good for this particular episode okay but i want to hear them all right because for the most part my brain works like this.
Speaker 2
That's it. Right.
And either it is or it ain't. Right.
Right? Either it's a good episode, a good story, or it doesn't work. And my brain, because I write all the time, I can see it just in the pitch.
Speaker 2
Okay. Yeah, that'll work.
You know, but
Speaker 2 everybody feels good about
Speaker 2 contributing to these episodes. You know, we haven't seen Sean in a while because I was looking for, because
Speaker 2 I had never seen Kim. I think I saw you in passing, but to meet you at the NAACP Image Awards, obviously Marlon,
Speaker 2 a couple of years, many, many years ago, I met both of them.
Speaker 2 Is he still writing? Sean, it's amazing. Sean, they've worked on scary movie,
Speaker 2 I don't know, what, number six, but yeah.
Speaker 2 So, since
Speaker 2 Marlon is in Papa's house, are you going to be a scary movie? Probably not.
Speaker 2 I mean, you're perfect with the foot.
Speaker 2
Are you done with movies? No, it's not done with movies. It's just the, you know, that particular, you know, they be watching scare movies that I don't.
That you don't really care for. Yeah,
Speaker 2 that itches. I don't play with demons because I don't want them playing with me.
Speaker 2 You know what? I've never really had, normally when I give my family money. But when you're working with family, how you negotiate with them? Because
Speaker 2
they'd be trying to upcharge you. No, well, family gets what they deserve.
You know, they have fair market value. Kim and Sean.
And, you know, it's the younger ones that come along.
Speaker 2
You go, you got to earn it. Right.
You know, so my son, he's a staff writer. And he's earned it.
He got three scripts in this season. You know, so you get paid for scripts too.
Okay.
Speaker 2
You can't cheat the process. Right.
You know, because then you... You don't want to set a bad precedent, do you? Because what if they're not working for you?
Speaker 2
Ain't nobody else going to be giving them money just because. You're like, I want you to earn it.
I want you to earn this. I'm not gonna give you what you deserve.
I'm gonna give you what you earn.
Speaker 2 And once you earn it, that means you deserve it, and I'm gonna pay you accordingly. Well, the thing is, like, they
Speaker 2 it's the the the industry has a set for what you get at each level, okay? So, this is not on me, it's okay, you know, and they can't cheat him even if they wanted to, right?
Speaker 2 Right, so like next year, you put in work, and there's a bump for it, and you'll get a different credit, Right. You know what I mean? So it's like, but
Speaker 2
I don't feel that I should go in and make them, make him a co-producer. Right.
Okay. I probably could.
Right.
Speaker 2
But that's a disservice to him because now all the other people in the room looking at him like this. Bro, that's not what you earn.
Right. Right.
So like my granddaughter is in an episode coming up
Speaker 2 and she had to audition.
Speaker 2
You make him an audition? She wanted to audition. Okay.
So she's a, so Amara, she is a stand-in,
Speaker 2
right? And I told her, so she's doing stand-in for essence. And I told her, I said, baby, this is an opportunity.
When you are doing these lines, do them as if you are playing that role. Okay.
Speaker 2
So go home, and I want you off page. After the second day, you don't have a script.
You memorized it. Learn to hit your mark.
Say it with enthusiasm. Say it like you replace essence.
Speaker 2
You're not. But if you act like that, you get in your reps.
Now when it's time to go, you're ready to go. You're confident.
So she walked into that audition, killed it.
Speaker 2
And there was probably 20 other women. So I said to the casting, I said, listen, who do you think was better than her? Nobody.
And she got the part.
Speaker 2 Wow.
Speaker 2
Nepotism. Talking to Marla.
Marla said, man, look here.
Speaker 2 What good is it if I can be in this position if I can't put my family on? What the hell am I doing?
Speaker 2 You know, the thing about nepotism is sometimes, you know,
Speaker 2 Keenan said this one time to the family. He goes,
Speaker 2 to the next generation, you guys were born on the road to success. Why do you keep making detours?
Speaker 2
Ooh, I like that one. It's like, just show up.
And they talk about we don't want to do Wayne's project. What?
Speaker 2 What?
Speaker 2 We can't keep doing Wayne's brothers.
Speaker 2 What?
Speaker 2 So go, all right, you go and see how many other projects you get.
Speaker 2
Build your resume off of funny stuff. That's what you know is going to happen.
If you do a Wayne's project, it's going to be funny.
Speaker 2
There's levels to how funny it'll be, but for the most part, you can say you did some comedy. Right.
That you can put on your resume. You go do one or two lines in somebody else's stuff.
Speaker 2 You ain't going to get off because they don't care about you. Right.
Speaker 2 You are,
Speaker 2 I've always wanted to ask this, my mom, because people ask why, because I look just like my dad. My mom, they asked my mom, why did I name me a junior? And my mom says that wasn't going to happen.
Speaker 2 LeBron says he kind of hate naming his son LeBron James Jr.
Speaker 2 Because
Speaker 2 if you are someone,
Speaker 2 the natural comparison,
Speaker 2 you are. You have a junior.
Speaker 2
And people automatically think, you funny like your dad? Can you write like your dad? Right. King Griffey Jr., Deion Sanders Jr., LeBron James Jr.
What made you, did you think, did you factor that in?
Speaker 2 It's like, well, no, I just want to name him Jr.
Speaker 2
I didn't think he was going to be in show business. I thought he wanted to be an animator.
Okay. Right? So I never, like, you know, when you name him, you just, I got my son.
Right.
Speaker 2
You know what I mean? I want him to be named after me. Yeah, I ain't thinking about, I didn't even know what I was going to do back then.
Right. You know what I mean? So, you know, he
Speaker 2 has jokes about being a junior. He says the most arrogant thing you can do
Speaker 2
is to name somebody after you. Like, I'm so wonderful.
Look, I'm going to make another me.
Speaker 2 But he was able to navigate, you know, a very tough road because at the height of my fame,
Speaker 2 he started doing stand-up.
Speaker 2 And, you know, because I wasn't giving him money. You had a baby.
Speaker 2 I can teach you the family business. You know, so I took him on the road and he changed his name to
Speaker 2 something, Kyle Green.
Speaker 2 And he'd go up on stage and half his act, they yelled, that's Damon's son.
Speaker 2
So he just had to own Damon Wayne's Jr. Right.
You know, but because he wasn't able to concentrate on stage because he kept hearing people, you know, say, you look just like your daddy.
Speaker 2
Oh, yeah, you spit him out. He spits you out.
It's just like, just say it, address it, and then keep it moving. That'll be funny.
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Speaker 2
Situation, we saw a couple of weeks ago, Michael Jordan's son run into some issues. They had some drug issues and things like that.
I don't know if your kids have ever been. I gave him the drug.
Speaker 2 How would you handle that situation if
Speaker 2 one of your kids got into a similar situation?
Speaker 2
Here it was playing about my family. We are a comedian.
Right. Uh-oh.
So you don't want to write us some new material.
Speaker 2 I kid you not. I got a phone call this morning from some dude who said he's a hacker, a hacker, and that he has some
Speaker 2 explicit images from some young,
Speaker 2 I think he said, boys, on one of my family's phone that he hacked into.
Speaker 2 And I said, listen, we're comedians. Tell me who, because I want to write some.
Speaker 2 I hope it's Keenan. I hope it's Keenan.
Speaker 2
I need to know who the perfect and devil is. I said, you can't.
And he was like, you think it's funny? I said, yeah, it's funny. And go ahead and release it.
It's funny.
Speaker 2 And that's how my family would deal with it.
Speaker 2 Am I lying, Heather?
Speaker 2 No.
Speaker 2 Raising kids in a privileged situation situation because that's not how you grew up. And the thing is, we always, well, I want my kids to have so much more.
Speaker 2 And sometimes we do a disservice to our kids because we give them more
Speaker 2 and they're not always appreciative because tough times create tough men. Yes.
Speaker 2 Tough men create easy times. That's true.
Speaker 2 Kids that come from hard, easy times create hard times all over again.
Speaker 2 So how were you able
Speaker 2 having having what you have, kids grew up with 50 times more than what you had, how did you get your kids to say, you know what, my daddy has, but that ain't me. I'm going to go get my own.
Speaker 2 You got to starve them out.
Speaker 2
You got to starve them out. You give them bail minimum.
If you happy with $700 a week,
Speaker 2 okay.
Speaker 2
That's going to be your life. See how good that $700.
I'm going to keep you off the pole.
Speaker 2 You know?
Speaker 2 I'm going to keep you off the crack
Speaker 2 because you can't afford it.
Speaker 2 And with that comes opportunities
Speaker 2
to make and to, I can give you a job, I can't give you a career. Wow.
And the thing about having like the next generation,
Speaker 2 they don't have that.
Speaker 2 You know, and that's what it takes to
Speaker 2 really hit that next level. That,
Speaker 2
yes. You know, I have that because I miss meals.
My kids never miss meals. Miss the meal.
So
Speaker 2 and they wasn't eating, you know, pig knuckles and everything like that. They eating steak, they eat lobster, they eat
Speaker 2
crab leg. They eat.
They have snack, a snack,
Speaker 2
what do you call that? A pantry. A pantry.
With snacks.
Speaker 2 Look.
Speaker 2 Chips. Yes.
Speaker 2 Yeah.
Speaker 2
I ain't had none of that. No.
We had now later that you kept in your pocket, and if you wanted to eat one, you had to sneak it out.
Speaker 2 Slide it up your arm here.
Speaker 2 Because
Speaker 2 if my brothers find out, they're going to take it from you. You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 Now that you're a grandparent.
Speaker 2 And a great-grandfather. And great-grandfather, too?
Speaker 2 Damn.
Speaker 2
I didn't know that. We didn't know that.
Yeah, it's beautiful.
Speaker 2 What's the, because a lot of times, and I'm a granddad now, two times. My son just had welcomed
Speaker 2 a daughter about three weeks ago. Congrats.
Speaker 2 when i heard people say my grandmother and i'm living testament to this i believe my grandmother loved her three grands more than she loved her own nine yeah
Speaker 2 i love my grandkids more than my kids
Speaker 2 and i'm gonna tell you why because
Speaker 2 the it's a different love right so with your kids all your hopes and dreams is in your kids right When they say something smart to someone, it's a reflection on you. You don't talk to Mr.
Speaker 2
Jones like that. You go apologize.
My granddaughter, he's fat. Yeah, go tell him.
Speaker 2
It's funny. You know, because it's a different kind of parenting.
You know, so I frustrate my kids because they want me to, I said, listen, it's on a need to know.
Speaker 2
My kids, the grandkids, the relationship I have with them, they can tell me anything. They tell me the stuff they're too afraid to tell you.
Right.
Speaker 2 And I'm going to give them the best advice possible because part of my title is parent.
Speaker 2 Right.
Speaker 2
So, but if I feel you really need to know something, I'm going to tell you. And I'm going to tell them that I'm going to tell you.
Right. But right now they're saying stuff you don't need to know.
Speaker 2 Yeah.
Speaker 2 But they because they feel comfortable around me. And I feel, my granddaughter told me yesterday, she said, Papa, I'm going to come to you for advice from now on.
Speaker 2 Because we talk about stuff that they feel like they can't really tell their parents. Let me ask you, who are some of the people had they been around when you guys were
Speaker 2 doing in Living Color that you would have loved to do a sketch about?
Speaker 2 Kanye.
Speaker 2
Y'all have killed Kanye with me. Yeah, but you know what? I love Kanye.
You know, and people are mad at him.
Speaker 2
You know, what he's doing is wild, but you know, when you see a homeless person in the street and they talking to themselves, you can't be mad at them. Something wrong.
They sick. Right.
Speaker 2 Kanye, something wrong with them. You know, and people,
Speaker 2 I don't listen to the homeless man yelling stuff and think, oh, he mean that. Right.
Speaker 2
He don't mean that. It's just coming out.
Right. Right.
So somebody needs to
Speaker 2 grab him.
Speaker 2
Somebody, you know, that's when you need an uncle. Right.
Grab him. Hey, come here, boy, let me talk to you.
You don't say that. You don't do that.
Somebody who he loves and respects.
Speaker 2
Does he have that in his life? I don't know. Right.
But I love Kanye. He's a musical genius.
Speaker 2
You were married for 15 years. What do you learn about marriage? What do you learn about yourself during marriage? I was married 19 years.
19. Damn.
I showed it you for. My bad.
Speaker 2 I'm going to add it back on.
Speaker 2 It's cheaper to keep her.
Speaker 2 That's what I love. Or cheaper to kill her.
Speaker 2 Keep her, keep her, keep her. We're going to kill her.
Speaker 2 But,
Speaker 2 you know, marriage is not just the moment, right? You have to get through moments.
Speaker 2
You know, it's tough. Like, so, you know, I was trying to tell my sons, like, you know, you want to get married because brands want to know.
If you think about Bill Gates and
Speaker 2 Jobs and, you know, all these guys, Basil's about to get married again. Why?
Speaker 2 Because when you sit down and people think about being in business with you, if you can
Speaker 2 manage your marriage, I can be in business with you because I know on a day-to-day, you are
Speaker 2
having to humble yourself and have to kind of work through stuff. So with business, you'll do the same thing.
I feel like you would do the same thing. You know,
Speaker 2 I think marriage is beautiful, but marriage, when you get
Speaker 2 to the older years, where it becomes a
Speaker 2 ballet.
Speaker 2 where they don't say much, you know, after all these years, she know what shut up mean.
Speaker 2 She's not talkative. She makes you a little coffee in the morning and your toast.
Speaker 2 Not breakfast, toast.
Speaker 2 You know, she figured out you need something to eat and come downstairs and the paper's there and you read it and y'all just exist together.
Speaker 2
You know, you fart and you look at it. She ain't laughing.
Okay, go back to the paper.
Speaker 2 You know, and then she talk and you just, mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 And And when you get to a certain age, you got the most wonderful thing in the world, which is a hearing aid. You turn that down.
Speaker 2 Just looking at it, mm-hmm, mm. So what did you do? Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
Speaker 2
And that's what it is. But you think about all that you've been through and the kids and the grandkids.
You know, and it's special. I think marriage is a beautiful arrangement.
Speaker 2 You know, I was just too young and dumb to know that back then.
Speaker 2 Are you on good terms? Yeah.
Speaker 2 Here's what's crazy is, you know, for the longest, like she and I would, you know,
Speaker 2 we never said it to each other, but we just made up our minds that we can't let the grandkids feel our resentment. And there was resentment, you know.
Speaker 2 She'd come in and sit over there, and I'd sit over there. And then, probably about seven years ago, I was over at Junior's house, family gathering, because
Speaker 2 kids would invite her to barbecues at my house and it's fine, you know.
Speaker 2 And what it was is the fear of having to re-litigate what happened in the marriage.
Speaker 2
And I know I messed up. I messed up.
So I don't want to deal. That's why I pay you animal money so I don't have to deal with that.
Speaker 2 But about seven years ago, we're over at Junior's house and we're sitting outside and she's over there somewhere and we're laughing.
Speaker 2 We all, that's what we do is laugh and we joke and we start reminiscing. And then she came and sat right next to me and started chiming in.
Speaker 2 And then we were talking about, she brought up a story and I was like, remember, remember? And it was, and the kids were like,
Speaker 2 talking.
Speaker 2
But I could feel all the tension just leave. Dissipate.
The relationship changed. I love her.
And I was able to say, I love you.
Speaker 2
And she says that to me when we see each other, I care for her. I don't want nothing bad happening.
Right.
Speaker 2 You know, and
Speaker 2
it's maturity. Right.
You know, and she said the last week when I saw her, she's like, we did good by the kids, right?
Speaker 2 When we high-five, yeah. Wow.
Speaker 2 So
Speaker 2 what's the dating life like for us? Because I need, you know,
Speaker 2
I'm headed towards 62, bro. I don't date.
I'm happy. You happy?
Speaker 2 I wake up in the morning like a kid. You know, you run outside and you come home smelling like pennies.
Speaker 2
I can do whatever I want to do. That's right.
He's in my house.
Speaker 2 I don't have to, hey, we good? You all right? You need anything?
Speaker 2
I could not. I've been by myself too long.
You sitting ways in, huh?
Speaker 2 So you ain't getting married no more, huh? No.
Speaker 2
I never say never. Right.
Because if some woman can climb over the wall of resentment and
Speaker 2
the bile that I have. And all the checks you done had to write.
Yeah, yeah. For 25 years, I've I've been writing checks.
Speaker 2 If she can come out, she was sent by God. That's a superhero.
Speaker 2
Hold on. This can't be true.
That you dated the same woman as your nephew once? Yeah.
Speaker 2
I was in love with her. That's the thing.
Come on. You ain't never did that.
Hell, no, I ain't never did Jackson five.
Speaker 2
That's, I mean, for a family member, that's off limits, David. No, but he would, it wasn't like they were in love.
So he dated her. Do you know how small the pool is out here in Cali?
Speaker 2 Yes. The dating pool? Like, and this was probably, what, 2000, what, 2001, two?
Speaker 2
Did you know it originally, did she know originally that? Yes, when I met her. So I was, I got divorced and I was by myself for two years.
Right. Right.
Speaker 2
And then I saw her and I was just like, oh my God, I'm in love. And I found out my nephew had dated.
I'm like, you know, what's up with that? He goes,
Speaker 2 that's you. I was like, okay, Pastor Cabasi.
Speaker 2 Let's go.
Speaker 2 And I went ahead and I fell in love.
Speaker 2 Fell in love.
Speaker 2
And it was okay. But it's just.
They clowned you, didn't he? Yeah, family gatherings is awkward.
Speaker 2 I don't know about that one, Dave.
Speaker 2 I would just have to let her go.
Speaker 2 No, you see her. You understand.
Speaker 2
And she cooked. She went to Cardon Bleu.
What?
Speaker 2
She oxtail? Neck bone? Yeah, whatever. Mac and cheese.
Whatever. Collard green? Airy, all that.
And then some with turkey neck desserts.
Speaker 2
Dessert? Come on. Oh, man.
Like a bona fide, like chef. I think she does that now.
Speaker 2
Amazing. I might have to think about it.
And then the other things.
Speaker 2 While she cooked.
Speaker 2 I do not approve that man.
Speaker 2
You have type 2 diabetes. How's that going? How's it going? Yeah.
I mean, it's like my club foot.
Speaker 2 No, it's good.
Speaker 2 Did you always have diabetes or you developed it? I got it in 2017. How?
Speaker 2 I don't know.
Speaker 2 It's in your family jeans. Here's what I'm learning because I have
Speaker 2 a freestyle Libra
Speaker 2 checks. Changed my life, right?
Speaker 2 And what it is, is we eat stuff and you don't know what's good or how your body is breaking it down, right?
Speaker 2 So this gives me, I got the glucose monitor and I can look at it and I know where I'm at at all times. The thing is,
Speaker 2 I walked into the hospital,
Speaker 2 I felt delirious. My sugar was at 535.
Speaker 2
Supposed to be between 80 and 120. You better go into a diabetic coma.
That's what he said.
Speaker 2 So I tell Keenan, and Keenan's like, okay, you got to change your diet. I go, what do you mean? He goes, well, if you don't eat sugar, you won't have a sugar problem.
Speaker 2
Right? Life-changing. So he goes through my cabinets and stuff, and he's going, throw away this, you're going to throw away this.
Ketchup got sugar. Everything I like got sugar.
Speaker 2
And I was like, wow. So then I'm like, I still had to take insulin.
You know, you're taking five, six units with every meal. I'm like, I don't want to do this.
Sticking your finger to pray.
Speaker 2
Oh, my God. It's like, I don't.
But what I found out having this glucose monitor is if I lift weights, heavier weights, then my sugar goes down all day. And especially legs, right?
Speaker 2
So that's the first thing that go when you start, when you get older, you stop doing the legs. You think walking is working your legs out.
Oh, I walked three miles. No, you gotta do nothing.
Speaker 2
In order for a muscle to grow, you gotta put it under stress. That part.
You know, they say there's a part of your brain that only grows when you do stuff you don't want to do.
Speaker 2 And athletes tend to have the most developed part of their brain. And this part of the brain has to do with discipline, self-control, stick-to-itiveness.
Speaker 2 You know, and so I'm trying to develop that part of my brain. Right.
Speaker 2 So we see LeBar Ball have some complications with diabetes, end up having to have a limb amputated.
Speaker 2
Irv Gotti, I think he ended up, he had type 2 diabetes. He ended up succumbing to it.
So now, so
Speaker 2
how does Damon Wayne eat now? I read that you like only eat, you know, you have a garden. Protein, vegetables, I do eat from my garden every day.
People think I'm crazy, but I, you know, it's...
Speaker 2
It's delicious. I don't put a whole lot of seasoning.
It's just salt and pepper. And then I have my, you know, like turkey.
Speaker 2
Crazy thing is I can eat turkey, but chicken don't sit well and don't digest. Really? Yeah.
When you think it's just, it's the cousin. Yes, yeah.
Speaker 2 Why am I having problems?
Speaker 2
Right. But, you know, I learned that with the glucose monitor.
Right. You know, yams shoot my blood sugar up.
Blueberries, it's all the stuff that they tell you you can have. Right.
Speaker 2
No, you can't have them. They're very high in sugar, though.
Mm-hmm. Especially fruity.
It's very high in fructose.
Speaker 2 You had brain surgery? Yep. I had a tumor on my pituitary.
Speaker 2
So everything was shut down. That's your master gland.
Yes. Right? So testosterone was low,
Speaker 2 my adrenals were blown out.
Speaker 2 So I go there and what was crazy is
Speaker 2 I was starting to see cocci.
Speaker 2 Because the thing was the size of a lemon
Speaker 2 inside my brain. So if you do like this, that's where the pituitary is in the middle, right? Underneath.
Speaker 2
Doctor told me that's the best place to get a tumor because they don't have to cut your head open. It went in through my nose.
Nose. Right?
Speaker 2 So,
Speaker 2 you know, I'm Jehovah's Witness, couldn't do it with blood.
Speaker 2
So I had to tell the doctor. So you don't do transfusions, right? No transfusion.
Right. So the crazy thing is, when I found out I had the tumor, I thought they were going to cut my brain open.
Speaker 2
So I'm like, I don't know if I'll do it. I'm just ride it out.
I had a good life. Thank you.
And my family, Kim especially, was like, you are going to get this surgery.
Speaker 2 I'm going to punch that thing out your head.
Speaker 2 So I like, it was crazy because,
Speaker 2 you know, not doing the blood,
Speaker 2
you know, you have to really, you know, this is a test of your faith. Yeah, absolutely.
So they give you that thing and there's no turning back, right?
Speaker 2
And you don't know what's going to happen when you go out underneath. But here's how faith works.
So I say my prayer and I ask God, what I'm going to do, okay, I'm going to do it. No blood.
Speaker 2 Not only was this successful, but
Speaker 2
the number one doctor in the world to perform this surgery did my surgery. Wow.
Dr. Kelly at St.
Joseph's Hospital.
Speaker 2 And he went in and got it all.
Speaker 2 99% of it.
Speaker 2 And I didn't have to do no blood.
Speaker 2 So
Speaker 2 when you put God first,
Speaker 2
good things happen. Wow.
But I remember being in the hospital afterwards, and you know, that recovery sleep is amazing. Bad, isn't it? Amazing.
They just don't let you get along though.
Speaker 2
They up there shaking you, waking up and sharp. Leave me alone.
I ain't slept in three days.
Speaker 2 But all I remember is a kaleidoscope of Wayans.
Speaker 2 Every time I open my eyes, there's somebody different there. There's so much love in my family, you know, grandkids, and my brothers, and sisters, and you know, and nieces, and nephews.
Speaker 2 It was just like there was never
Speaker 2 not anybody there.
Speaker 2
Wow. You know, because in the hospital, they try to upsell you.
Yeah. You know, they're constantly trying to put something else in there, and you go, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2 You need somebody to advocate. No, you don't need that.
Speaker 2 He said, no blood.
Speaker 2 The blood is the most expensive thing they can give you.
Speaker 2 The brain surgery, the diabetes. What have you learned most about life? What do you embrace most about life?
Speaker 2 I have a beautiful family.
Speaker 2 I have a wonderful God.
Speaker 2 I have
Speaker 2 so many blessings that, you know,
Speaker 2 the anger that I used to have when I was young, I no longer have because I I just know
Speaker 2 that God has his hand on me and my family.
Speaker 2 He's protected us for years and years. And I know not everybody with the last name Wayne,
Speaker 2 you know,
Speaker 2 is
Speaker 2 good
Speaker 2 or tries to be good. But
Speaker 2
what we do have is others that will correct you. And we ain't shy about going, hey, you're acting a fool.
Wow.
Speaker 2
Like that. You get checked.
And so for that reason, I truly appreciate my family and this wonderful journey that I'm on. You know,
Speaker 2 I jokingly said,
Speaker 2 when I die,
Speaker 2 I want it on my tombstone, don't cry for me, you're next.
Speaker 2 What does Damon Williams want his legacy to be?
Speaker 2
I just want people to smile. When they think about me, I just want them to smile.
That dude, he loved life. He was funny.
That's it.
Speaker 2 What, your family, what can people take away from the Waym's family with the way you guys interact?
Speaker 2 What would you like other families to take most away from the way you interact with your family or your family interact with each other?
Speaker 2 That you never know what could happen or will happen.
Speaker 2 So
Speaker 2
all that stuff you hold on to, let it go. You know, I don't always agree with my brothers and sisters.
And we have our little disagreements. Disagreements, yep.
Speaker 2
But for the most part, you never know what tomorrow brings. Right.
So don't bring tomorrow today.
Speaker 2 Right. Which is,
Speaker 2
I wish I could have. I know so many people.
I don't understand families that don't get along. You don't talk to your brother? Yeah.
You don't,
Speaker 2 you stop talking to your mother?
Speaker 2
How'd that happen? I don't get that. My mother come kick the door down.
She climbed in through the window. You don't stop talking to her.
Speaker 2 You know, but that's not how my family, I just wish that people, the funny thing is like on my set,
Speaker 2
people are hugging and kissing when they come in and they tell me, we don't do this in my family. Well, you should.
Yeah. And they just thank me.
I got some wonderful cards thanking me. It's not me.
Speaker 2
It's my family. Right.
It's how just we are.
Speaker 2 And we, and we get work done. Right.
Speaker 2 Anything you want to promote? I know you have Papa's house now.
Speaker 2 Just Papa's house and the movie that we're going to do together.
Speaker 2 I like that.
Speaker 2 Damon, I want to thank you. Thank you.
Speaker 2 Continued success, everything you've done in this business and what your family has meant to this community. I think I speak for everybody that's going to watch this and is going to listen to this.
Speaker 2
Thank you. God bless you.
I appreciate you.
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