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Speaker 4 Ocho, 464 pound D-tackle Desmond Watson could be the largest draft pick in NFL history. His weight comes with a massive six foot six inch frame.

Speaker 4 Watson had his pro-day workout. He benched 225 36 times.
That's more than any player mustered at this year's combine. And he ran the 40 in under six seconds, a 5'93, and he had a 25-inch vertical.

Speaker 4 Aaron Gibson. No, Aaron Gibson only weighed 405

Speaker 4 from Wisconsin. Hold on.

Speaker 4 Detroit.

Speaker 4 Hey, can you do me a favor real quick, Aunt? Yes. For me, because I can't see, I can't visually see him.
So I'm listening to the numbers you're giving me. Is he bigger than Sam Adams?

Speaker 4 Yes.

Speaker 4 Is he bigger than what Sam Adams was or bigger than Gilbert Brown? Yeah. Hell yeah.
He outweighed him damn near by 100.

Speaker 4 What?

Speaker 4 He 464, Ocho.

Speaker 4 Well, what you think Gilbert Brown, what you think Gilbert Brown was? Like 365, 370 at his top. Well,

Speaker 4 can he move? He ran 5'93.

Speaker 4 I mean, move in the position that he actually plays. Hey, think about it.
He'll D-tackle. He ain't go out for A-gap to B-gap.
Oh, he clogging up space. Okay.
Okay.

Speaker 4 Hey, hey, somebody in the AFC East needs to drive. I mean, the NFC East, stop the

Speaker 4 push. Yeah.
Put his ass

Speaker 4 over the center.

Speaker 4 Look here. You got the guard.
You got the guard

Speaker 4 in the center. Well, listen.

Speaker 4 Listen, Cincinnati, Cincinnati, we need help on defense. And obviously, we can start at the defense.
We can start right there on that defensive line. Bring him on down there.

Speaker 4 Clog that thing up. If I'm not mistaken, I think at one point in time, he was almost 500 pounds.

Speaker 4 Did he lose like 40, 50 pounds, Ash?

Speaker 4 Desmond Watson.

Speaker 4 I think I heard him talking about it that he was like almost 500, like really close to 500 at one point in time.

Speaker 4 Oh, they go. Hey, listen, depending on where you go, they're going to get that weight up off of him.

Speaker 4 They're going to get some of it up off of him.

Speaker 4 Hey, at some point, hey, Ocho, I mean, you might get him down. You ain't getting him under 400.
Yeah, I mean, listen, get him, get him a little bit. You can't get him on that zipping.

Speaker 4 Yeah, get him a little.

Speaker 4 You put him on that zippic.

Speaker 4 That's the only way he's gonna get a bunny. Hey, Ozippic, semaglutide, trizepatide.

Speaker 4 That's okay.

Speaker 4 That's a

Speaker 4 and 464. Hey,

Speaker 4 now I see.

Speaker 4 He can't play in the league if he tried this diet. I've seen somebody over 400 pounds and they got tried this diet and they was under 200.

Speaker 4 Crack.

Speaker 4 And a homeboy, hey, he about 140.

Speaker 4 That pipe had it drawn up. He was under 200, by 175.

Speaker 4 Hey, man, you shot out, man.

Speaker 4 I'll be out there with you, Joe. Oh, zip.
But

Speaker 4 I hope old boy gets an opportunity to play.

Speaker 4 I think somebody go give him an opportunity. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Yeah. This is the oldest.
But you said,

Speaker 4 hey, man, we don't. We cut the the name on everything.
Hey, man, he on that zip it.

Speaker 4 Hey, I just listen. I love, I love the number.
I hear the numbers.

Speaker 4 It sounds, you know, staggering. It sounds intimidating, but I need to see what you look like when you turn the film on.

Speaker 4 Are you disruptive?

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 You know? TJ ain't no better than I am that working at technology. Hell.
Steve. Hey.

Speaker 4 What'd you say? Can you hear us?

Speaker 4 Yeah, I can hear you. Yo, you can hear us.
Don't pretend like you can hear us all along. Hell, nah, I couldn't.
I ain't know what the hell.

Speaker 4 What's that? Hey, I'm hey, look, hey, T, look, I'm swole.

Speaker 4 Hey, I see you got your little ass back in that quick room. You need to get on the shark plan, boys.
What's been up?

Speaker 4 You got to get on that Shannon Shark plan. Oh, shit.
We low motherfucking tricky. I'm on the Shannon Shark plan.

Speaker 4 Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. Hey, slide your boy.

Speaker 4 I got you. I got you.
Hey, listen. Listen, you put it under the tongue.
Boy does want it. You hear me?

Speaker 4 Hey, slide.

Speaker 4 I got you. I got you.
I got you.

Speaker 4 How did I get involved in this? How did I get involved with this? Hey, TJ, let me ask you this. When you first met Hoosh, I mean,

Speaker 4 when you first met Ocho, what was your impression of this dude?

Speaker 4 Man,

Speaker 4 so we met in college.

Speaker 4 Chad was just, he was just real chill real real chill chad don't really talk no till it's like the competition start other than that chad's chilling and then when the competition start

Speaker 4 that's when all the so you know i thought chad was hella quiet and then we went to practice i said oh who is this

Speaker 4 he was just a different guy fool

Speaker 4 man straight up who is this fool exactly oh them some good days man them some good days oh them some good days.

Speaker 4 TJ. Man, I've been knowing Chad since we was teenagers, basically.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 That's crazy. How many years? How many years has it been? Listen, my man, I'm not a man.
You're 40. You're 46.
If you were a teenager, you'd be 28.

Speaker 4 Damn. Chad, that's damn near 30 years, bro.
Golly, boy.

Speaker 4 Hey, you know what's crazy, though, Chad? I was just telling somebody this. No, we still look the same boy.
God don't say that.

Speaker 4 Hey, hey, you know, you know, you know what they say? The black of the juice is sweeter than berry.

Speaker 4 Hey,

Speaker 4 I was blessing.

Speaker 4 God said, that's my son. He has what he did.

Speaker 4 TJ, when he blessed you to keep your hair, he didn't bless Ocho with that. Oh, wait.
Hey, TJ, can you tell Uncle I can grow a full set of hair now?

Speaker 4 Chad, he always had a bald head. He ain't never had no hair, grow some hair here and there.
He always

Speaker 4 sporadic. It's sporadic.

Speaker 4 I know. As a matter of fact, TJ, Ocho hair is kind of like my sex life.
Sporadic. Sporadic.
Nah, I ain't.

Speaker 4 Nah,

Speaker 4 don't do that. You know that ain't.
What if I ain't got no spark?

Speaker 4 Or to cut me out of my deal?

Speaker 4 I can't get no sparks because he already ordered them all. Hey,

Speaker 4 I got about three boxes full.

Speaker 4 Logical. You always in L.A.
You come to LA. You ain't.
Hey, matter of fact,

Speaker 4 I'm going to be in LA on the 30th. But you got to understand, these are prescribed specifically for me me based on the questions I had to ask before I ordered them.
So they're prescribed to you.

Speaker 4 Now, I'm not sure if you would be able to use mine because mine is like, it's like putting 93 in your car. You hear me? Yeah, he got that hot gas gas.

Speaker 4 Listen. Hey.
Huh? I know Chad.

Speaker 4 I know Chad.

Speaker 4 I know.

Speaker 4 Hey, come on. He knows I.

Speaker 4 Y'all got my head hurting already.

Speaker 4 You think the Bengals re-signed, they re-signed T. We knew they were going to re-sign

Speaker 4 Chase. That was a no-brainer.
You're talking about one of the top three receivers in the league, and I'm not sure he's two or three.

Speaker 4 You make the case, it's easy to say he or Jeddah based on the last three years. They're one, one A, one, whatever the case you want to go.

Speaker 4 Are you surprised that the Bengals were able to get a deal done with T?

Speaker 4 No, not at all.

Speaker 4 Who else earned it? Them two dudes earned it. When you go outside of Trey Hendrickson, nobody else on the team has earned that money.
We knew they was going to pay Jamar.

Speaker 4 They always going to pay the best receiver in the quarterback. They always going to do that.
What shocked me, T,

Speaker 4 when he fired David Moore together,

Speaker 4 he basically told the Bengals, I want to stay in Cincinnati.

Speaker 4 I fired my agent because I want to stay here.

Speaker 4 Y'all make that happen. He took a pay cut to stand.
Absolutely.

Speaker 4 He really did.

Speaker 4 and so no it did it didn't surprise me but who else earned it nobody else on that team earned it outside of trey hendricks and so you gotta pay somebody the eagles paying everybody the benefits

Speaker 4 this is what you got to think about when you think about the eagles and with lurry with lurie and uh and young bull is over there doing

Speaker 4 yeah yeah brother brother roseman they paying everybody a little bit early they can't they catching them early but they're not they're not paying top dollar axi for the players of their pacific position.

Speaker 4 But the Bengal, we waiting on the back end. We waiting on the back end and forcing the players to bet on themselves.

Speaker 4 So

Speaker 4 they could have had Jamar at what, 35, 36? Yep. They could have had two years ago, two years ago, and they know this is the truth because I told them.
They could have had T.

Speaker 4 Higgins five years, $100 million. They said that was too much.

Speaker 4 And I know this because I told them this.

Speaker 4 The Eagles,

Speaker 4 they paying AJ. A.J.
Brown got paid at the top. Devontae Sniff didn't get paid at the top.
Jalen Hurst got paid at the top.

Speaker 4 What organization you know sign a dude to a deal, he ball out and they say, you know what, man, you outplays your deal. We're going to give you another deal after one year.

Speaker 4 The way they just did, Saquon Barkley.

Speaker 4 Dude, I'm praying if I'm a rookie coming out that I get drafted

Speaker 4 the way they do. Right, right, right, right, right.

Speaker 4 Man, but they also, you got to understand how special Saquon Barkley is. This is just not your average running back.
Hell even special in New York if they wouldn't pay him.

Speaker 4 Chad,

Speaker 4 Chad, you know being special when you under that contract damn yeah you know

Speaker 4 i mean but also why

Speaker 4 look you got to understand the importance and value that he brought to that team in general some of the pressures that he took off jalen hurst throughout that season what he was able to do for them offensively actually getting him over the hump and getting to that and getting to that super bowl run so i understand it's especially everything he's been through the storyline in general that's one of the greatest stories right now giants we're going to tag you because

Speaker 4 we don't really value the position anymore. Going through the business.

Speaker 4 The Giants should have got a Super Bowl ring for how dumb they are letting Saituan go.

Speaker 4 They should have been given a Super Bowl ring. They dumb.
Hey, so listen, knowing the Bengals and understanding what we need, the way we look last year, how we finish,

Speaker 4 understanding what we need to do offensively, obviously, we need to start fast. But on the defensive side of the ball, what do you think we need to do come draft? What do we need most?

Speaker 4 We got to be able to stop the run.

Speaker 4 I believe Jenkins is to be his second year. If he's anything like this, Daddy, he's going to be better.
So your pops was a hell of a defensive tackle. He's going to be better.

Speaker 4 Just his bloodlines and a year of experience. We just going to have to draft well on defense.

Speaker 4 We got to be able to draft. Well, like we drafted Miles Murphy out of Clemson in the first round.
He got to start playing like that now.

Speaker 4 This is going into his third year. He ain't playing like a first round draft.
He got to play like that uh we need cam taylor britt to play how he played in 2023.

Speaker 4 jay turner was playing well then he got hurt and so

Speaker 4 they can do it it's just they cannot miss we can't miss with draft picks on the defensive side of the ball when you're gonna pay the offense you got to draft and develop on the defensive side of the ball that's gonna be the key we got to make sure we get three starters out of this draft on defense

Speaker 4 playoff wait three stars that can come in and start right now

Speaker 4 right now

Speaker 4 right, your first round pick, your second round pick, and somebody else that just surprised you.

Speaker 4 What do you see from the Eagles? What do they get? Jordan Davis, Jalen Carter,

Speaker 4 Brother Michael,

Speaker 4 Desjaun. You see what they did? Blanky Shaw.
Yeah, all of them. See? All of them.
Toby Dean, Nolan Smith, Jr.,

Speaker 4 all on Dick. Because we're paying all the money.
55, 50 plus million for Hurts.

Speaker 4 We got 33, 34 million 33 million tied up in aj we got 28 million tied up in and in and uh and uh uh devontae and we paid our entire offensive line lane johnson dickerson mile lottery

Speaker 4 so we gotta get it out the park on the defensive side of the joke because we can't pay top dollar that's why they let those guys leave

Speaker 4 think about the guys that left went to new england one guy went to arizona because we can't pay him not jalen carter

Speaker 4 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 4 He's about to get 41, 42 million. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Go ahead and give it to it now before you have to pay it 50 million. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Hey, hey, hey, T, think about how bad our defense was, right? And obviously they paid T, they paid, they paid Burrow. We paid Chase.
What do you think about Trey Hendricks?

Speaker 4 Do we pay Trey Henderson market value?

Speaker 4 Or is he going to give him a home team discount? Nope, he not.

Speaker 4 We pay a market value, Chad, but what's market value?

Speaker 4 What's market value? He got 33, what, 36 sacks in the past two seasons? He got 35, 17 and a half the last two years. 35 sacks.

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Speaker 4 This is what I'll say. I'm a pain, but I'm not making him one of the highest paid defensive players.
I'm not doing that.

Speaker 4 How are you not going to do that?

Speaker 4 Number one, number one, this is where

Speaker 4 we call this hustling backwards. I ain't bold now.
I'm trying to get money. I'm not going to hold out and lose money.
You do that. We hustling backwards now.

Speaker 4 He's not going to hold out.

Speaker 4 So I'm doing a solid. I'm giving.
He's supposed to make $17 million, I believe, this year.

Speaker 4 If the Bengals would be fair, they bump him up to 28 to 30. The 30, 30 would be the max that I would give him if I was the Bengal.
We got to understand, he a hell of a player.

Speaker 4 He had five sacks against the Raiders. Five sacks against the Raiders.

Speaker 4 And so he showed up big time the last game against the

Speaker 4 with him being 31.

Speaker 4 You can't give this man a four-year extension at 35 plus a year. I'd give him 28 to 30 million.
I believe the Bengals are. How much are you going to give him guaranteed?

Speaker 4 How much are you going to give him fully guaranteed? Because that's what I'm looking at. Damn them big ass numbers if they just paper.

Speaker 4 See, now, Shannon, you talk now.

Speaker 4 That ain't talking like that agent right there. there.
Like, hey,

Speaker 4 I say,

Speaker 4 I say about uh, I'm gonna give me 45 guaranteed.

Speaker 4 45 million guaranteed.

Speaker 4 I don't know if he's gonna take that, TJ.

Speaker 4 No, no, no. This is the thing, though, because if you look at T.
Higgins' contract,

Speaker 4 if I'm guaranteed 30 in the first year, just say, just say 35 in the first year, 35 in the first year if you Trey Hendrickson, and then I give you a $10 million roster bonus in the offseason, I'm not releasing you.

Speaker 4 Your base salary for that second season is pretty much guaranteed. It's just not part of the fully guaranteed part of the contract.
So now your base salary is somewhere along 15 million.

Speaker 4 That's $60 million in two years you're going to make.

Speaker 4 And it ain't fully guaranteed, but 15 of it is, as long as you got that $10 million roster bonus, they're not going to give you $10 million in the offseason and release you.

Speaker 4 Hey, they say, did y'all see what they did to Aaron Rodgers? Did y'all see what they did? Y'all see what they did to Russell Wilson?

Speaker 4 They will release you.

Speaker 4 Even if you got 30 plus. Russell had 36 million guaranteed.
They said, no, we good. What Russell Wilson did to himself when he was playing?

Speaker 4 I think, TJ, for me, I think he might be content if you fully guarantee the first two years at about $60 million

Speaker 4 because you said that $30 million level,

Speaker 4 you're not trying to put him at

Speaker 4 $34 million. You're not trying to put him at Miles Garrett,

Speaker 4 which is 40 million so i think two years at 60 million the last three years are going to be voidable but he's going to probably he's going to want something a big number to make a big splash right i'm going to you're going to probably have to give him uh 60 million fully guaranteed

Speaker 4 hey this year man we we got to do something

Speaker 4 we we got to do something we got to play in a preseason because the last few years we ain't been playing we start off we start off slow every regular season that patriots game killed us bro the first game of the season last year was is Chase gonna play?

Speaker 4 Is he gonna? Oh,

Speaker 4 he's gonna play. He acted.
And then we lose to the Patriots. And that now is a game.
That would have got y'all in the playoffs. But you know what?

Speaker 4 We're talking about Trey Hendrickson, but we saw Pratt, your outstanding linebacker that led him in tackles. Now you lost Hubbard, who retired.

Speaker 4 Hendrickson is upset because his contract. Pratt said, y'all ain't got no money for me because y'all just played Burrow.
Y'all played T, y'all paid

Speaker 4 Chase. Y'all ain't got no money for me.
And y'all need to pay Hendrickson. Y'all need to let me go.
You can't keep losing these good defensive playoffs, TJ, and expect you to think you're gonna win.

Speaker 4 You can't, Shannon, but I hate doing this, man. I hate doing this.
What, what? No, we was players, man. We were players.

Speaker 4 But if you played on that defense and you not Trey Hendrickson, what you want?

Speaker 4 What you want? What did you do during the season that says you deserve more? I want more than 7 million.

Speaker 4 Then you should have played like you wanted to.

Speaker 4 Damn, damn, TJ. But see, you talk about the OJ.
Look at TJ.

Speaker 4 TJ cooked him up.

Speaker 4 I'm saying, outside of Trey Hendrickson, who on that defense could literally say, I deserve a pay raise.

Speaker 4 Trey Hendrickson was the only one that showed up each and every game when he was needed. Now, Dream Pratt has some games, but he even had some plays where it was, ah, we needed that play.

Speaker 4 Ah, we needed that play. I mean, if you're a star line, if you start in any position in the league, we all know this, and you get enough opportunity, you're going to make enough plays.

Speaker 4 But what about the plays you don't make?

Speaker 4 Go ahead. Go ahead, Joe.

Speaker 4 I would get ready to say, obviously, you and I have been playing together since college. And I obviously,

Speaker 4 I view, and I've always said it before, I think Chase is probably to me the greatest banger receiver to ever dawn those stroke. Probably, you think.

Speaker 4 Chance. Wait, wait, let me finish.
Let me finish. No, no, no, no, no.
Because that's not true.

Speaker 4 I think Curtis Hill, downtown Freddie Brown.

Speaker 4 No, that man right there with them lokes on is. Huh?

Speaker 4 I've never won a triple crown, though.

Speaker 4 Listen, listen.

Speaker 4 Because you had me. Listen, though.

Speaker 4 And Chad knows this, Shannon.

Speaker 4 He know what I'm about to say. Man, Chad's supposed to be in the Hall of Fame, man.
They fucking this boy over. No, I put on my own jacket, though.
No, no, no, no, no, no. Chad, Chad, you joking.

Speaker 4 You know, I'm serious about this because I tell you this all the time. Chad is the greatest receiver in Bengals history.
Now, Jamar Chase is on his way to trying to equal or pass Chad.

Speaker 4 But where we sit right now, man, Chad is here. Wow.
It's Chad.

Speaker 4 It's Chad. It's AJ Green.
It's Isaac Curtis.

Speaker 4 That's what it is to me.

Speaker 4 Now, Jamar Chase is on his way. to getting there.

Speaker 4 But come on, Chad, you can't do it to yourself.

Speaker 4 You know how I tell you this all the time. Shannon, you're in the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 4 Let me give you my Hall of Fame criteria because, for some odd reason, I think my criteria is the best, and nobody listens to it.

Speaker 4 For a period of five years, where you are a top five player at your position, if you got to think about it, you're not a Hall of Fame.

Speaker 4 So now you go to 2002, three, four, five, six, seven, eight. That's seven years.
Seven of those years, Chad was top three in the league for five of them. He led the AFC five years in a row.

Speaker 4 How this man can't even be a finalist? Like that, that makes no sense. He was leading the AFC in a year.
He didn't lead it. I did.
I did?

Speaker 4 So

Speaker 4 you tell me how he ain't in a hall, how he's not even a finalist. But you got dudes that wasn't even top five at their position.
They give me.

Speaker 4 I was a villain. The villain, they never letting the villain in

Speaker 4 nah they never they listen but i understood that why you think i donned the jacket in the first place because i understood the politics that came behind it i don't like the i don't like the business side of football remember we talked about that the other day

Speaker 4 about contracts the reason why i played the game like a little kid having fun and entertaining obviously now the the flip side of things okay i know how y'all gonna play me i choose i chose not to conform I'm playing the game the way I felt it should be played.

Speaker 4 So regardless of what my numbers would be, T, I understand what you're saying. And I told you this before.
You earn it. You earned it.
You earned it.

Speaker 4 But you got to play by their rules. If you don't play by their rules, they're not letting you in there.
You know how I feel about it. You know, I can give two.
You know what?

Speaker 4 But hey, play by that rules. Now, all the stuff that you was doing, you can do now.
You don't even get fired for it. They owe you back.
Yeah, but

Speaker 4 let me give them money. Yeah, but here's the thing, though, Ocho.

Speaker 4 You had no off-field issues. Now, what happened was the thing that's going against you, and you still don't have this, is that they wanted to keep T.O.
out so bad, they changed it.

Speaker 4 They said anything that you did on the sidelines or in the locker room could be used against you. Where before they said even off-field activities couldn't be held against the player.

Speaker 4 That's how bad they wanted to keep T.O. from being the first ballot on the favor.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 That was criminal that T.O. And then they had the nerve.
Then they had the nerve not to let him in the first year.

Speaker 4 The second year, though, the first year,

Speaker 4 and I think, even though and y'all know how i feel about to i said he's the second greatest receiver to me some people push back and say it's randy but we know i think i think you and i i think tj and i are more aligned i think jerry is the greatest receiver and it ain't close that's my picture now tj you might have you might say randy you might say to but for me i think those three are the top three receivers as we sit here and discuss it today.

Speaker 4 Now, Chase and Jetta and somebody down the line might have something to say about, but I sure hope I'm alive when I can see the receiver that says, hey, he's right there with Jerry.

Speaker 4 I want to be alive to see that receiver. That ain't going to never happen.

Speaker 4 Then Jerry Rice was getting a thousand yards in year 20, bro.

Speaker 4 40 years old, got 1,200 yards. Yeah.

Speaker 4 That's never going to happen.

Speaker 4 We'll never see. somebody do what Jerry Rice has done.

Speaker 4 But Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson, they on their way, but they got to make sure that they don't hit any bumps in a row because Odell Beckle was on his way as well.

Speaker 4 And he hit those bumps in a row that he could never recover from that. And so

Speaker 4 I just feel like Chad is the best bingo receiver in the history of a team. He knows that.
I know that. Now, Chase is on his way.

Speaker 4 I just, I tell Chad this all the time because he's never going to say nothing about it, man.

Speaker 4 It's just a crime that he can't be a Hall of Fame finalist when his game on the field. He earned that shit bro and and that's one thing about chad like

Speaker 4 when you talk about work hard

Speaker 4 well this dude this dude is gonna run himself to death like

Speaker 4 we channel we was in year nine

Speaker 4 and we was taking all the scout team reps like we were still every time every time

Speaker 4 every practice

Speaker 4 thursday friday we did all the offensive reps all the scout team reps i left the bingles and went to other teams them dudes is like bro i'm scouting

Speaker 4 that happen i i just always have done it

Speaker 4 and so people don't realize like

Speaker 4 chad work hard we similar paths we both went juko we both had like ain't no way they making it to the league oh they made it and to be successful i mean that right there within itself uh

Speaker 4 pat yourself on the back but yeah chad should be in the hall of fame man any chance i get i'm gonna say that because I know, I know who the best receivers were.

Speaker 4 And I'm not going to put nobody down, but some of these dudes, they not better than him. And them dudes even know they're not better than him.

Speaker 4 Last season, you stepped up to help out rookie Jermaine Burton. We saw the struggles.
A lot of it played out publicly. Ocho say he's going to try to intervene this year.

Speaker 4 We got two great bingo receivers that's trying to help the younger generation. Like, bro, there's a lot.
There's a professional aspect of it, which is what you do. You're an NFL.

Speaker 4 That means you're a professional. And then there's a pro, P-R-O, which is the way you go about handling your business.
We need to get you to become a pro.

Speaker 4 You know,

Speaker 4 with Jermaine,

Speaker 4 like I was talking to him a lot during the, prior to the season starting, because, you know, he was having problems prior to the season. And Bengals knew that I was close with him.

Speaker 4 So they, they was reaching out to me before anything ever became public.

Speaker 4 Certain games, he wasn't even going to be active in. They were letting me know the night before.

Speaker 4 And so I'm giving Maine a call, like, bruh,

Speaker 4 what's going on? What, how are you doing? I'm going to just see if he's going to tell me what's going on before I got to ask him what's going on.

Speaker 4 And

Speaker 4 he got all the talent in the world, but at some point,

Speaker 4 I can't want you to be what you don't want to be. Okay, what I tell my kids.
I can't want it more than you want to be yourself.

Speaker 4 He's going to have to figure that out. And I just, I just talked to him today.

Speaker 4 I just talked to him today.

Speaker 4 And to me, it ain't about anything physical on the field. He got to make sure mentally and off the field, he ready to go

Speaker 4 because the league is going to move on. He got one more strike.
They're going to move on without him. It don't matter who you are, man.
It's NFL.

Speaker 4 This thing going to keep rolling with you or without you. You're going to hop on the train and roll with us, or are you going to get your ass rolled over and get left behind?

Speaker 4 I hope he figured it out, man, because he's so talented. He comes from a background where he can really change his family's fortune.
And I'm going to do all I can. Chad, know me, I'm going to talk.

Speaker 4 So

Speaker 4 I'm going to help him as much as I can, but ultimately, I can't want it more than you want to.

Speaker 4 Yeah, man. Listen,

Speaker 4 I don't know Brother Burton like that. Obviously, when I go to the stadium, when I do have my times and chances where I'm at the field, you know,

Speaker 4 I I don't want to do that, be that father figure. I don't want to be that guy.
Because when I was playing, the people come in, I wasn't trying to hear that stuff from them.

Speaker 4 So I just talked strictly football.

Speaker 4 I just talked strictly football.

Speaker 4 When you out here, you're going to pull up to the training. That's what you're going to do.
You're going to pull up. I'm going to bring the police too.

Speaker 4 I don't know if you. Hey, I can't tell the TJ.
Tell him to let it go, TJ.

Speaker 4 Hey, what?

Speaker 4 Hey, hey, man, it's just different, Chad. Hey, hey, right now, like, I lightweight hurt myself.
I'm thinking I could.

Speaker 4 Hey, man, and your mind says, I got this. As soon as you get on that field, boy, your body be like, boy, you better sit your ass right on down.

Speaker 4 Man, I mean, hey, there's a reason why we hung them cleats up, TJ.

Speaker 4 Hey, we can we look the part, but I don't know if we are the part. If that, it's that lateral.
And I keep trying to tell Ocho, yes, Ocho. Could you run straight ahead? Yes, but that da-da, that, that,

Speaker 4 it ain't no, it is that, that, that, that, that.

Speaker 4 See, Chad might be the only, I'll get even that. Chad lateral movement was

Speaker 4 that it's out of this world. That's one thing.

Speaker 4 Chad was so quick. Even if he lose quickness, he's about what everybody else is now.
See, like I told you.

Speaker 4 But here's the thing, TJ. Even though he might be what because his quickness is because he's so light.
See, you and I like to play through contact.

Speaker 4 We wanted somebody to be on their own.

Speaker 4 probably the TJ, so we can snatch a pull or rip through there. Yeah,

Speaker 4 him at 185, hit lateral quickness right now. Man, we're going to shove his ass up under the bitch.
Oh, hold on, hold on. Hey, Shannon, you're probably giving Chad about five pounds.

Speaker 4 Chad, probably about 180. No, I'm 205.

Speaker 4 Chad, you are damn class. He is.

Speaker 4 Chad, that got it. You got a big bicep, you got a big chest, you got big calves.

Speaker 4 He ain't got no leg dads. All your weight is the weight is from waist down.

Speaker 4 That's what a weight is, Ocho.

Speaker 4 You know what promise? Prima say, Prom, promise say the horses ain't got no big legs either.

Speaker 4 Exactly.

Speaker 4 Fairbreads. Fairbrands.
Look how scared their ankles are. Now, Clydesdale got the big ass legs that ain't moving nothing.
They're pulling stuff. Plow horse and a race.

Speaker 4 Hey, TJ. who you got because we know we got this fight coming up this year.
Ocho versus James Harrison. Yeah, hey, hey,

Speaker 4 listen, man. Chad, my dog, bro.

Speaker 4 Hey, T, hey, T. Don't stay not wrong.
Don't say nothing wrong.

Speaker 4 What kind of fight is it?

Speaker 4 Is it MMA? Is it just Bible?

Speaker 4 Nah, Chad, don't do the MMA, bro. I love you.

Speaker 4 Chad.

Speaker 4 My side. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Chad, listen to what I'm saying. Hold on.

Speaker 4 Are you on my side or not? I need to see your eyes, bro. Take the looks off.

Speaker 4 Chad,

Speaker 4 boxing. I got you.

Speaker 4 MMA, man.

Speaker 4 That buff,

Speaker 4 James Harrison, gonna grab you and me at the same time. Boy, you know how strong James Harris is.
I don't care nothing about strength, boy. You know how strong.
Yeah, hold on.

Speaker 4 If he can wrestle,

Speaker 4 if he can grab you, he's not gonna be able to grab me. T you're not gonna be able to grab me, T.
I'm finna play with him. T listen to me.
I'm finna toy with him. I'm finna toy with him in the octagon.

Speaker 4 Listen, I'm gonna hit him at will when I want to, T. I'm gonna be jabbing him and jazzing.

Speaker 4 Hey, I'm gonna bounce around. I'm gonna move around, T.
Hey, watch out, guys.

Speaker 4 Watch out. And listen, I'm gonna tell you.
Let me listen to me.

Speaker 4 I got cheated.

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Speaker 4 I'm gonna choke him out with a guillotine and I'm gonna run straight to you and jump in your arms.

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Speaker 4 Hey, man.

Speaker 4 This is all this is the This is the old pride fight. No way, Claire.
Yeah. This is pride fight.

Speaker 4 Back in the day. Back in the day, back in the 60s.

Speaker 4 Now, the boxing thing,

Speaker 4 because he got all that muscle, he's going to be tired of that. What you think is going to be an Octagon T? Because he's going to shoot and take you down.
He can't shoot.

Speaker 4 You can't shoot. I'm going to keep my, I'm going to keep him a distance.

Speaker 4 You got to get close enough to throw him.

Speaker 4 How's you going to

Speaker 4 get that point, Joe Joe? easy what you mean i'm a gazelle punching

Speaker 4 hey hey man i just hope james harrison man

Speaker 4 james if you watching have mercy on my hey james if you're watching i'm a punch you got a punchable face

Speaker 4 say tj what you just started

Speaker 4 telling you hey um what hey what what what um what month is the fight

Speaker 4 whatever month you wanted to be i was hoping somewhere around august or september i thought i was doing the a Super Bowl.

Speaker 4 Oh, so you wanted to be a Super Bowl in San Francisco? Yeah,

Speaker 4 so all the former current players could be there to see him get his ass whooped.

Speaker 4 Well, what about our show?

Speaker 4 We could do it tonight. He said

Speaker 4 you ain't going to be able to show it. That's what he said.
That'd be perfect, too. We could have a fight before the show.
Not the same day. I'm saying like a few days before.
Oh, Lord, have mercy.

Speaker 4 You got to remember, Super Bowl is

Speaker 4 seven-day event, seven-day week. I know.
So

Speaker 4 we can schedule it. i bet i bet i bet he i bet you ain't heard from him because i told him to send the contract

Speaker 4 so we have so we'll have a fight that friday night we'll do our show that thursday night bingo

Speaker 4 yeah man

Speaker 4 hey just paying off back in the uh 40s and 50s man just paying off pay him to take a dive hey pay him to take a dive like harlem night

Speaker 4 hey pay him to take a dive man hey listen i'm not doing i got too much pride t i got i gotta stay i gotta listen i gotta show the i gotta show the world we gotta learn to stand up the bullies we gotta learn to stand up the people that's bigger than us and stop stop stop looking at people that have size and strength and allowing that to intimidate us

Speaker 4 oh you know i ain't so remember remember the story remember the story of david and goliath right

Speaker 4 same thing that's what it's gonna be you

Speaker 4 it's gonna play it's gonna play out in real life that's all i gotta say

Speaker 4 you know i'm with you i just i'm advising you make sure it's just hands-only Just

Speaker 4 hey,

Speaker 4 I got the quickest feet in the world. You know, they used to call me Lu Kang back in high school.

Speaker 4 Remember, Mortal Kombat, Luke Kane.

Speaker 4 That man get his hands on you, OJo.

Speaker 4 Hey, that's the same thing as to say on Sundays. If they get their hands on me, and only one person was able to do it.

Speaker 4 Yes.

Speaker 4 You just got, you know, you was, see, when Revis did that,

Speaker 4 you was one foot in, one foot out. You went all the way in.
You went all the way in.

Speaker 4 Well, I sure hope he's all the way in when he fights James. Oh, I definitely can.
Or he'll be or he'll be all, he'll be all both feet out. Hey, I've been working on my wrestling techniques, too.

Speaker 4 Oh, Lord. See what you said.
TJ, his band talking about he gonna wrestle. No, I'm talking about in the third round.
He's gonna be tired. Better go.
It ain't gonna get to the third round.

Speaker 4 You better go get with one of them Gracies

Speaker 4 and get on some jiu-jitsu

Speaker 4 so that when he, when he grabs wait a minute

Speaker 4 hold on i'm a black belt tj what you talking about nah that's her man's that ain't no that ain't no jiu-jitsu there

Speaker 4 hey you better go get one of them gracies somebody teach you some jiu-jitsu when he grabbed you you got him that that's your best pack

Speaker 4 pay john jones to teach you you go to new mexic albuquerque new mexico that's what john that's what uh uh he trained out of go to mexico for like a uh a month

Speaker 4 yeah i i'm i'm ready man yeah the fact that y'all don't believe me, that kind of hurt, man.

Speaker 4 Chad, that meant, hey, wrestling, that's all the big dudes do. Hey, that's all they're going to do.
Hey, wrestling, fighting,

Speaker 4 it don't matter what or anything, combat sports. He's going to be tired in 20 seconds because the first thing he's going to do is, ah,

Speaker 4 done, gassed. Okay.

Speaker 4 Hey, it don't take much energy to grab somebody that can't get away. You do realize that man played in the NFL.
So he did. He rushed the quarterback.

Speaker 4 You know, when they were going on no huddle, he was still rushing the quarterback. Okay.
I'm just letting you. All right.
I just let you know. I'll tell you what.
I done done enough talking tonight.

Speaker 4 I can show you, but then I can tell you. Okay.

Speaker 4 All right. TJ, man, thanks for joining us, man.
We got to get you to come back on on the rig, bro.

Speaker 4 Man, y'all got to holler at your boy, hey, Boost Mobile, man. Let me get that chirp, man.
I see they both got the Boost Mongo on the back.

Speaker 4 Appreciate that. All the bad.
All right, take care, man. Thanks for joining us tonight.

Speaker 4 Yo, sure. TJ Mosado, former bingo great

Speaker 4 Ocho's teammate in college and in the NFL.

Speaker 4 According to full rules report sent to the NFL teams this week, this

Speaker 4 is now a 15-yard penalty. It's being

Speaker 4 considered a violent gesture. So every time you die, CD and all the guys like that.

Speaker 4 You know what?

Speaker 4 I'm not even going to upset myself. I'm not even going to upset myself because whatever the competition committee, whoever's responsible for this and making the rules, still

Speaker 4 they're all about control, taking away the

Speaker 4 NFL stands for No Fun League. And they continue to strike and continue to find ways to take fun away from the game and allow players not to be them individual selves.

Speaker 4 But, you know, attendance was down, right? If I'm not mistaken, but y'all go ahead and do it your way. Hey, Ocho,

Speaker 4 they give me 60 million dollars i'll go out there and tuxedo

Speaker 4 i mean oh joe i mean you think about that that money oh joe you made good money oh joe them jokes making six seven times what you made oh yeah

Speaker 4 think as you think about what you made and not

Speaker 4 six six exit yeah

Speaker 4 okay hey oh joe i'm gonna have everything i'm gonna have everything on nice and deep took my shirt in pull them socks up nice and high hey i don't want no problems i don't want no problems in that field i tell you one thing

Speaker 4 if i was playing in today's era all the stuff i was doing back then i'd still be doing it in africa you still do it oh man plus some i ain't gonna get no penalty i ain't gonna do nothing to get i ain't gonna do nothing to get my team a penalty but you know i never got my team no penalty i i talk i'm gonna talk some i'm gonna talk ish now oh yeah

Speaker 4 now you can't say the n-word oh joke yeah i i know can you imagine if we was playing during the social media era how many times we done said the n-word on on that field? Oh, yeah.

Speaker 4 You heard me?

Speaker 4 Can you imagine if we were playing during the social media era?

Speaker 4 Oh, Lord. Man, listen.

Speaker 4 No.

Speaker 4 Boy.

Speaker 4 Oh, Lord.

Speaker 4 Not me. My, I got in trouble for tweeting on the sideline.
We played Philly. I got in trouble for tweeting on the sideline in the middle of a preseason game.

Speaker 4 That was the beginning of social media era for me in 2009.

Speaker 4 Can you imagine?

Speaker 4 Man, I'd be, man, listen, I'll score Touchout and go live on Instagram. Oh,

Speaker 4 who? Who? I told you. I told you.

Speaker 4 You don't hold Joe.

Speaker 4 I did this.

Speaker 4 But see, I did the celebration where I pretended like I had a phone. Joe Horn actually went and hear the phone.
Pulled the phone and pulled the phone out.

Speaker 4 I said, pretty soon, somebody go, hey. I ain't gonna lie one time.
I'm gonna say, look, I'm gonna sell 100,000.

Speaker 4 I'm gonna call Uber Eats. Uber Eats going to bring me a piece on the sideline.

Speaker 4 Hey, one thing.

Speaker 4 Hey, I would say, look here. Hey, I would tell my agent, my financial people.
I said, look, I'm sending $100,000 aside because I know I'm going to get fine. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 4 Uber Eat's going to bring me a pizza. Hey, that's the good one right there.

Speaker 4 Listen, today's game, I will push the envelope. I really, they allow everybody to celebrate.

Speaker 4 They allow group celebrations, but everybody doing the same stuff. Nothing is authentic.
Nothing is organic. They're doing stuff they see on TV.
They're doing stuff they see on TikTok. Right.

Speaker 4 You get that. Oh, the NFL is all about fan engagement, right? Well, this is what y'all want.
You want the fans to enjoy the game and have fun? No, we tell y'all how to engage the fans.

Speaker 4 Don't you try to come up with something. Oh, no, no.
Oh, I'm coming up with something. I'm going to push the envelope.
Don't let me score in the north or south end zone. Don't let me be playing away.

Speaker 4 Man, I'm pulling the fan out of the end zone, man. We're going to sit there and do the kid and play.
Then I'm going to put it right back in the stands. Can you imagine?

Speaker 4 Man, you're going to get the fan throwed out. You know, the fans can't step on the field, man.
You're going to get them throwing out. That is a memory.
Uncle, I promise you, if I was playing today,

Speaker 4 whatever game I score,

Speaker 4 I'm telling you, I will pull a fan out the stands in the north or south end zone, pull them down,

Speaker 4 and do the kid and play. That will be iconic because it's something that's never been done before.
Everybody's doing stuff now that you can celebrate.

Speaker 4 They just repeating the same stuff over and over. Somebody has to push the envelope and make it fun.
Make it fun.

Speaker 4 The volume.

Speaker 4 Ah,

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Speaker 15 One shot, one choice, one moment at a time. From NBA champion Stephen Curry comes Shot Ready, a powerful never-before-seen look at the mindset that changed the game.

Speaker 4 I fell in love with the grinds.

Speaker 16 You have to find joy in the work you do when no one else is around.

Speaker 16 Success is not an accident. I'm passing the ball to you.
Let's go.

Speaker 15 Steph Curry redefined basketball. Now he's he's rewriting what it means to succeed.
Shot Ready isn't just a memoir. It's a playbook for anyone chasing their potential.

Speaker 15 Discover stories, strategies, and over 100 never-before-seen photos. Order Shot Ready now at StephenCurryBook.com.
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Speaker 9 What are the cycles fathers pass down that sons are left to heal?

Speaker 9 What if being a man wasn't about holding it all together, but learning how to let go? This is a space where men speak truth and find the power to heal and transform. I'm Mike De La Rocha.

Speaker 9 Welcome to Sacred Lessons.

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