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His weight comes with a massive 6'6'' frame. Watson had his pro day workout.
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And he ran the 40 in under 6 seconds, a 5'9'' 3", and he had a 25-inch vertical. Aaron Gibson No, Aaron Gibson only weighed 405 from Wisconsin.
Hold on. Hold on.
Can you do me a favor real quick? Yes. For me, because I can't see.
I can't visually see him. So I'm listening to the numbers you're giving me.
Is he bigger than Sam Adams? Is he bigger than what Sam Adams was or bigger than Gilbert Brown? Yeah brown yeah hell yeah he outweighed him down to about 100 what he 464 ocho well what you think gilbert brown what you think gilbert brown was like 365 378 is the top well can he can he move he ran 593 i mean move in the position that he actually plays. Hey, think about it.
He'll de-tackle. He ain't going from A-gap to B-gap.
Oh, he clogging up space. That's it.
Okay. Hey, somebody in the NFC East, I mean, the NFC East, stopped the push.
Yeah. Put his ass over the center.
Look here, you got the guard.

You got the guard in the center.

Well, listen.

Listen, Cincinnati, Cincinnati,

we need help on defense, and obviously,

we can start right there on that

defensive line. Bring him on down there.

Clog that thing up.

If I'm not mistaken, I think at one point in time, he was almost

500 pounds. Didn't he lose

like 40, 50 pounds, Ash? Desmond Watson. I think I heard him talking about that.
He was almost 500, really close to 500 at one point in time. Listen, depending on where you go, they're going to get that weight up off of him.
They're going to get some of it up off of him.

Hey, at some point, hey, Ocho, I mean, you might get him down.

You ain't getting him under 400.

Yeah, I mean, listen, get him a little more.

Yeah, get him a little.

You put him on that Zipic.

That's the only way you're going to get up on it.

Hey, Ozipic, semaglutide, trisepotide. That's all, hey.
That's all, hey. And at 464, hey.
Now, I see that, hey, he can't play in the league if he try this diet. I've seen somebody over 400 pounds, and they got tried this diet, and they was under 200.
Crack. I had an old boy.
Hey, he's about 4'10". That pipe had him drawn up.
He was under 200. About 175.
Hey, man, you shot out, man. Hey out of it, Jojo.
But I hope a boy get an opportunity to play. I think somebody gonna give him an opportunity.
Yeah. Yeah.
Hey, man, we don't... We cut the name on everything.
Hey, man, he on that Zip It. Hey, I just, listen, I love the numbers.
I hear the numbers. It sounds, you know, staggering.
It sounds intimidating, but I need to see what you look like when you turn the film on. Are you disruptive? Yeah.
You know? TJ ain't no better than I am that working at technology. What'd you say? Can you Can you hear us? Yeah, I can hear you.
I don't pretend like you can hear us all along. Nah, I couldn't.
I ain't know what the hell. What's happening? Hey, look.
Hey, T, look, I'm swole. Hey, I see you got your low ass back in that weight room.
You need to get on shark plan boys what's been up you gotta get on that Shannon shark plan shit we little motherfucking I'm on the Shannon shark plan hey hey hey hey hey slide your boy I got you hey listen listen you put it under the tongue boy does one did you hear me hey slide your boy I got you I got some. I got you.
Hey, listen. Listen, you put it under the tongue.
Boy does one. Did you hear me? Hey, slide.
I got you. I got you.
I got you. Look, how did I get involved in this? How did I get involved with this? Hey, TJ, let me ask you this.
When you first met Hoosh, I mean, when you first met Hoosh, what was your impression of this dude?

Man, so we met in college.

He was just real

chill. Real, real chill.

Chad don't really talk no shit till

it's like the competition start. Other than that,

Chad's chilling. And then when

the competition start,

that's when all the shit... So, you know, I thought

Chad was hella quiet.

And then we went to practice. I said, oh shit, who is this? It was just a different guy.
Who is this fool? Man, straight up, who is this fool? Exactly. Oh, them some good days, man.
Them some good days. Oh, them some good days.
TJ. Man, I've been knowing Chad since we was teenagers.

Yeah.

That's crazy.

How many years has it been?

Listen, my man.

I'm not a man.

You're 46.

If you were a teenager, then be 28.

Damn.

Chad, that's damn near 30 years, bro.

Golly, boy.

Hey, you know what's crazy, though, Chad?

I was just telling somebody this.

No, we still look the same. Boy, God, don't.
Hey, hey, hey. Hey, hey.
You know what's crazy though, Chad? I was just telling somebody this. No, we still look the same.
Boy, God don't bless us. Hey, you know what they say? The black of the juice is sweeter than berry.
Hey, God said that's my son. He hit us with that.
Yeah, he did. TJ, when he blessed you to keep your hair, he didn't bless Ocho with that.
Oh, wait. Hey, TJ, can you tell I can grow a full set of hair now? Chad, he always had a bald head.
He ain't never had no hair. He'll grow some hair here and there.
He always had. Sporadic.
It's sporadic. I know.
As a matter of fact, TJ, Ocho hair is kind of like my sex life. Sporadic.
Sporadic. Nah, hey, nah.
Hey, nah. Don't do that.
You know that ain't true. I I ain't got no spark I want you to cut me out of my deal I can't I can't get no spark cause he ordered them all hey I got I got about three boxes full logical you always in LA you come to LA hey matter of fact I'm gonna be in LA I'm gonna be in LA on the 30th But you gotta understand These are prescribed For me based on the questions I had to ask Before I ordered them So they're prescribed to you Now I'm not sure If you would be able to use mine Cause mine is like It's like putting 93 in your car You hear me? Yeah he got that hot gas gas Yeah yeah yeah Listen Hey yeah.
Listen. Hey.
Huh? I know Chad. I know Chad.
I know. I know Chad.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, come on.
He didn't know. Y'all got my head hurting already.
Hey. DJ, you think the Bengals re-signed, they re-signed T.
We knew they were going to re-sign Chase. That was a no-brainer.
You're talking about one of the top three receivers in the league, and I'm not sure he's two or three. You make the case, it's easy to say he or Jetta based on the last three years, they're one, one A, one, whatever the case you want to go.
Are you surprised that the Bengals were able to get a deal done with T? No, not at all. Who else earned it? Them two dudes earned it.
When you go outside of Trey Hendrickson, nobody else on the team has earned that money. We knew they was going to pay Jamar.
They always going to pay their best receiver in the quarterback. They always going to do that.
What shocked me, T, when he fired David

Mulder together, he

basically told the Bengals, I want to stay in Cincinnati.

I fired

my agent because I want to stay

here. Y'all gotta make that happen.

He took a pay cut to stay in Cincinnati.

He really did.

And so, no, it didn't surprise me, but

shit, who else earned it? Nobody

else on that team earned it outside of Trey Hendrickson.

So you gotta pay somebody. The Eagles

paying everybody. The Bengals were

Thank you. and so no it didn't surprise me but shit who else earned it nobody else on that team earned it outside of Trey Hendrickson so you gotta pay somebody the Eagles paying everybody this is what you gotta think about when you think about the Eagles and what Lurie and Young Bull is over there doing yeah Brother Roseman they paying everybody a little bit early they catching them early but they not paying top dollar axie for the players that they're in specific position.
But the Bengals, we waiting on the back end. We waiting on the back end and forcing the players to better themselves.
So they could have had Jamar at what, 35, 36? Yep. They could have had two years ago.
Two years ago. And they know this is the truth, because I told them.
They could have had T. Higgins five years $100 million.
They said that was too much. And I know this because I told them this.
But the Eagles, they paying A.J. Brown got paid at the top.
Devontae Smith didn't get paid at the top. Jalen Hurst got paid at the top.
What organization you know sign a dude to a deal. He ball out and they say, you know what, man? You outplayed your deal.
We're going to give you another deal after one year. The way they just did Saquon Barclay.
Game 20 mil. Dude, I'm praying if I'm a rookie coming out that I get drafted.
Absolutely. Right, right, right, right.
But also, you got to understand how special Saquon Barclay is. This is just not average running back.
Especially in New York, and they wouldn't pay him. Chad, you know being special when you under that contract, they ain't sure you know for money.
But also, you got to understand the importance and value that he brought to that team in general. Some of the pressures that he took off Jalen Hurst throughout that season, what he was able to do for them offensively, actually getting them over the hump.
And getting to that Super Bowl run. So I understand especially everything he's been through.
The storyline in general, that's one of the greatest stories right now. Giants, we're going to tag you because we don't really value the position anymore.
Answer dumb.

The Giants should have got a Super Bowl ring for how dumb they are.

Letting Saquon go to them.

They should have been given a Super Bowl ring.

They dumb.

Hey, so listen.

Knowing the Bengals and understanding what we need, the way we look last year, how we finish, understanding what we need to do offensively,

obviously we need to start fast.

But on the defensive side of the ball, what do you think we need to do come draft? What do we need most? We got to be able to stop the run. I believe Jenkins is to be his second year.
If anything, like his daddy, he going to be better. So your pops was a hell of a defensive tackle.
He's going to be better. Just his bloodlines in a year of experience.
We just going to have to draft well on defense, man. We got to be able to draft well.
Like, we draft Miles Murphy out of Clemson in the first round. He got to start playing like that now.
This going into his third year, he ain't playing like a first-round draft. He got to play like that.
We need Cam Taylor Britt to play how he played in 2023.

Jay Turner was playing well

then he got hurt. And so

they can do it.

It's just they cannot miss. We can't

miss with draft picks on the defensive side of the ball.

When you're going to play the offense,

you got to draft and develop on the defensive side

of the ball. That's going to be the key.
We got to

make sure we get three starters

out of this draft on defense. Three starters that can come in and start right now? Right now.
Your first round pick, your second round pick, and somebody else that just surprised. What do you see from the Eagles? What did they get? Jordan Davis, Jalen Carter, brother Mikel, DeJuan.
You see what they did? yeah all of them Colby Dean, Nolan Smith all on D because we're paying all the money 55, 50 plus million for Hertz, we got 33, 34, 33 million tied up in AJ, we got 28 million tied up in and Dev We got $28 million tied up in

Devontae.

And we paid our entire offensive line.

Lane Johnson, Dickerson,

Mylotta.

So we gotta get

out the park on the defensive side of Joe

because we can't pay top dollar.

That's why they let those guys leave.

Think about the guys that left.

Went to New England. One guy went to Arizona because because we can't pay him now Jalen Carter whoo he about to get 41 42 million go ahead and give it to him now before you have to pay him 50 million hey T think about how bad our defense was right, and obviously they T, they paid Burrow, we paid Chase.
What do you think about Trey Henderson? Do we pay Trey Henderson market value, or is he going to give him a home team discount? Nope, he not. We pay a market value, Chad, but what's market value? What's market value? He got 33, what, 36 sacks in the past two seasons? He got 35, 17 and a half the last two years, 35 sacks.
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This is what I'll say.

I'm a pain,

but I'm not making him one of the highest paid defensive players. I'm not doing it.
How are you not going to do that? Number one, number one, this is where we call this hustling backwards. I ain't holding out.
I'm trying to get money. I'm not going to hold out and lose money.
You do that, we hustling backwards now. He's not going to hold out.
So

I'm doing my solid. I'm giving.

He's supposed to make $17

million, I believe, this year.

If the Bengals would be fair, they

bump him up to 28 to 30.

The 30 would be the max

that I would give him if I was the

Bengals. We got to understand, he a hell of a player.

He had five sacks against the Raiders.

Five sacks against the Raiders.

And so

he showed up big time the last Thank you. We got to understand, he a hell of a player.
He had five sacks against the Raiders. Five sacks against the Raiders.

And so, he showed up big time the last game against the Thieves.

With him being 31, you can't give this man a four-year extension at 35 plus a year.

I'd give him 28 to 30 million.

I believe the Bengals would be that.

How much are you going to give him guaranteed?

How much are you going to give him fully guaranteed? Because that's what I'm looking at. Damn them big-ass numbers if they just paper.
See, now Shannon, you talking. Manit talking like that agent right there.
Like, hey. I say I say about I'm going to give me 45 guaranteed.
45 million guaranteed. I don't know if he's going to take that, TJ.
He ain't taking that. No, no, no.
This is the thing, though. Because if you look at T.
Higgins' contract, if I'm guaranteed 30 in the first year, just say 35 in the first year, 35 in the first year if you trade Hendrickson, and then I give you a $10 million roster bonus in the offseason. I'm not releasing you.
Your base salary for that second season is pretty much guaranteed. It's just not part of the fully guaranteed part of it.
You're on track. So now your base salary is somewhere along $15 million.
That's $60 million in two years you're going to make. And it ain't fully guaranteed, but $15 of is, as long as you got that $10 million roster bonus, they're not going to give you $10 million in offseason and release you.
Hey, did y'all see what they did to Aaron Rodgers? Did y'all see what they did to Russell Wilson? They will release you. Even if you got 30 plus, Russell had $36 million guaranteed.
They said, nah, we good. good.
What Russell Wilson did to himself when he was playing? I think TJ, for me, I think he might be content if you fully guarantee the first two years at about $60 million because you said that $30 million level, you're not trying to put him at, you're not trying to put him at 34 million. You're not trying to put him at Miles Garrett, which is 40 million.
So I think two years at 60 million, the last three years are going to be vulnerable, but he's going to want something, a big number to make a big splash. You're going to probably have to give him 60 million fully guaranteed.
Hey, this year, man, we got to do something. We got to do something.
We got to play in the preseason because the last few years, we ain't been playing in the preseason. We start off slow every regular season.
That Patriots game killed us, bro. The first game of the season last year was is Chase going to play? Is he going to, oh shit, he going to play.
He acted. And it moves to the Patriots and that now is a game.
That would have got y'all in the playoffs. But you know what? We're talking about Trey Hendrickson.
But we saw Pratt, your outstanding linebacker that led him in tackles. Now you lost Hubbard, who retired.
Hendrickson is upset because of his contract. Pratt said, y'all ain't got no money for me because y'all just paid Burr.
Y'all paid T. Y'all paid Chase.
Y'all ain't got no money for me. And y'all need to pay Hendrickson.
Y'all need to let me go. You can't keep losing any good defensive players, TJ, and expect you to think you're going to win.
You can't, Shannon, but I hate doing this, man. I hate doing this.
What? No, we was players, man. We was players.
But if you played on that defense, and you not Trey Hendrickson, what you want? What you want?

What did you do during the season that says you deserve more money?

I want more than $7 million.

Then you should have played like you want more than $7 million.

Damn, damn, T.

But see, you talking about people, Joe.

Look at TJ.

TJ cutting him up.

I'm saying, outside of Trey Hendrickson, who on that defense could literally say I deserve a pay raise? Trey Hendrickson was the only one that showed up each and every game when he was needed. Now, Jermaine Pratt has some games, but he even has some plays where, ah, we needed that play.
Ah, we needed that play. I mean, if you start in any position in the league, we all know this, and you get enough opportunity, you're going to make enough plays, but what about the plays you don't make? Go ahead.
I would get ready to say, obviously, you and I have been playing together since college, and obviously, I view, and I've always said it before, I think Chase

is probably, to me, the greatest banger

receiver to whoever Don Ostrich.

Probably, you think?

Wait, wait, let me finish.

No, no, no, no, no.

Because that's not true.

That's not true.

Downtown Freddie Brown?

No, that man right there with them lokes on his.

Huh?

I've never won a triple crown, though. Listen, listen.
Because you had me. Listen, though.
And Chad know this, Shannon. He know what I'm about to say.
Man, Chad's supposed to be in the Hall of Fame, man. They fucking this boy over.
Oh, I put on my own jacket, though. No, no, no, no, no, no.
Chad, Chad, you joking. You know I'm serious about this because I tell you this all the time.
Chad is the greatest receiver in Bengals history. Now, Jamar Chase is on his way to trying to equal or pass Chad, but where we sit right now, man, Chad is here.
It's Chad. It's Chad, it's A.J.
Green, it's Isaac Curtis. That's what it is to me.
Now, Jamar Chase is on his way to getting there. But come on, Chad, you can't do it to yourself.
I tell you this all the time. Shannon, you in the Hall of Fame.
Let me give you my Hall of Fame criteria because for some odd reason, I think my criteria is the best and nobody listens to

it. For a period of

five years, were you a top

five player at your position? If you got

to think about it, you're not a Hall of Fame.

So

now, you go to 2002,

3, 4,

5, 6, 7, 8.

That's seven years.

Seven of those years, Chad was top three in the league for five of them. He led the AFC five years in a row.
How this man can't even be a finalist? Like, that makes no sense. He was leading the AFC in a year.
He didn't lead it. I did.
I did. So you tell me how he ain't in a how he not even a finalist but you got dudes that wasn't even top five at their position they getting in I was a villain the villain they never let the villain in nah they never they listen I understood that why do you think I donned the jacket in the first place because I understood the politics that came behind it I don't like that I don side of football.
Remember we talked about that the other day? When I talked about contracts, the reason why I played the game like a little kid having fun and entertaining? Now, the flip side of things, okay, I know how y'all gonna play me. I chose not to conform.
I'm playing the game the way I felt it should be played. So, regardless of what my numbers would be, T what you're saying and I told you this before you earned it, you earned it but you gotta play by their rules if you don't play by their rules they not letting you in there you know how I feel about it you know I can give two, you know what play by their rules now, all the stuff that you was doing you can do now y'all didn't get fined it.
They owe you back. Yeah, but here's the thing, Ocho.
You had no off-field issues. Now, what happened was, the thing that's going against you, and you still don't have this, is that they wanted to keep T.O.
out so bad, they changed it. They said anything that you did on the sidelines or in the locker room could be used against you.
Where before, they said even off-field activities couldn't be held against the player. That's how bad they wanted to keep T.O.
from being the first ballot on the table. That was criminal.
Then they had the nerve not to let him in the first year. The second year? No.
The first year, and I think even though, and y'all know how I feel about T.O., I said he's the second greatest receiver to me. Some people push back and say it's Randy, but we know I think you and I, I think T.J.
and I are more aligned. I think Jerry's the greatest receiver and it ain't close.
That's my impression. Now, T.J., you might say Randy, you might say T.O., But for me, I think those three are the top three receivers as we sit here and discuss it today.
Now, Chase and Jettle and somebody down the line might have something to say about it. But I sure hope I'm alive when I can see the receiver that say, hey, he's right there with Jerry.
I want to be alive to see that receiver. That ain't going never happen.
Yeah. Then Jerry Rice was getting a thousand yards in year 20, bro.
40 years old, got 1,200 yards. Yeah.
That's never gonna happen. We'll never see somebody do what Jerry Rice has done, but Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson, they on their way.

But they got to make sure that they don't hit any bumps in the road

because Odell Beckham was on his way as well.

And he hit those bumps in the road.

He could never recover from that.

And so I just feel like Chad is the best Bengal receiver

in the history of a team.

He knows that.

I know that.

Now Chase is on his way.

I just, I tell Chad this all the time because he never going to say nothing about it, man. It's just a crime that he can't be a Hall of Fame finalist when his game on the field, he earned that shit, bro.
And that's one thing about Chad. Like, when you talk about work hard, this dude is going to run himself to death.
Shannon, we was in year nine, and we was taking all the scout team reps like we were still working. Every time.
Every practice. Thursday, Friday, we did all the offensive reps, all the scout team reps.
I left the Bengals and went to other teams. Those dudes is like, bro, I'm scouting.
I haven't. I just always have done it.
And so people don't realize like Chad work hard. We similar paths.
We both went Juco. We both had like, ain't no way they making it to the league.
Oh shit. they made it.
And to be successful. I mean, that right there within itself, pat yourself on the back.
But, yeah, Chad should be in the Hall of Fame, man. Any chance I get, I'm going to say that because I know.
I know who the best receivers were. And I'm not going to put nobody down, but some of these dudes, they're not better than him.
And them dudes even know they're not better than him. Last season, you stepped up to help out rookie Jermaine Burton.
We saw the struggles. A lot of it played out publicly.
Ochoa said he's going to try to intervene this year. We got two great Bengal receivers that's trying to help the younger generation.
Like, bro, there's a lot. There's a professional aspect of it, which is what you do.
You're in the NFL. That means you're a professional.
And then there's a pro, P-R-O, which is the way you go about handling your business. We need to get you to become a pro.
You know, with Jermaine, like I was talking to him a lot prior to the season starting because he was having problems prior to the season.

And Wiggles knew that I was close with him,

so they was reaching out to me before anything ever became public.

Certain games, he wasn't even going to be active then. They were letting me know the night before.

And so I'm giving Mayne a call like,

bruh, what's going on?

How are you doing?

I'm going to just see if he's going to tell me what's going on before I got to ask him what's going on. And he got all the talent in the world.
But at some point, I can't want you to be what you don't want to be. Okay, what I tell my kids, I can't want it more than you want it for yourself.
He going to have to figure that out. I just talked to him today.
I just talked to him today. And to me, it ain't about anything physical on the field.
He got to make sure mentally and off the field he ready to go. Because the league going to move on.
He got one more strike. They going to move on without him.
It don't matter who you are, man. It's the NFL.
This thing gonna keep rolling. With you or without you, you gonna hop on the train and roll with us? Or you gonna get your ass rolled over and get left behind? I hope he figure it out, man, because he's so talented.
He comes from a background where he can really change his family's fortune. And I'm gonna do all I can know me I'm gonna talk so I'm gonna help I'm gonna help him as much as I can but ultimately I can't want him more than you want him yeah man listen I I don't I don't I don't know brother Burton like like that obviously when I when I go to the stadium when I do have my my my times and chances where I'm at the field you know I don't I don't I don't want to do that be that father I figured I don't want to be that guy because when I do have my times and chances where I'm at the field you know I don't want to do that be that father figure I don't want to be that guy because when I was playing and people come in I wasn't trying to hear that stuff from them so I just talk strictly football I just talk strictly football when you out here you're going to pull up to the training that's what you're going to do I'm going to bring my please too I don't know...
I can't tell TJ. Tell him to let it go, TJ.
Hey. What? Hey, man, it's just different, Chad.
Hey, right now, I lightweight hurt myself thinking I could... Hey, man.
And your mind say, I got this. As soon as you get on that field, boy, your body be like, boy, you better sit your ass right on down.
There's a reason why we hung them cleats up, TJ. We looked the part, but I don't know if we are the part.
It's that lateral, and I keep trying to tell Ocho, yes, Ocho, could you run straight ahead? Yes. But that da-da, that da-da, it ain't no, it is da-da-da, da-da, da-da.
See, Chad might be the only I'll give you that Chad lateral movement was that it's out of this world that that's one thing Chad was so quick even if he lose quickness he about what everybody else is now see I told you but here's the thing DJ even though he might be, because his quickness is because he's so light. See, you and I like to play through contact.
We wanted somebody to kill me on TJ so we can snatch a pool or rip through there. Him at 185, hit lateral quickness right there.
They're going to shove his ass up under the bitch. Hey, Shani, you're probably giving Chad about five pounds.
Chad probably about 185. hit lateral quickness right there.
Hold on, shove his ass up under the bench.

Hold on, hold on.

Hey,

Shannon,

you're probably

giving Chad

about five pounds.

Chad probably

about 185.

I know,

I'm just on five.

Chad,

you are dead.

I'm dead.

It is.

What are you talking about?

Hey,

Chad,

you got a big bicep,

you got a big chest,

you got big calves.

He got no leg.

That's it.

All your weight is,

the weight is from waist down. That's what, that's's what that's what a weight is Ocho you know what Prima say Prima say Prima say the horses ain't got no big legs neither exactly Fairbred Fairbred look how skinny their ankles are now Clinesdale got them big ass legs that ain't moving nothing They pulling stuff Plow horse and a racer Hey TJ Who you got Because we know we got this fight Coming up this year Ocho Versus James Harrison Yeah Listen man Chad my dog bro Hey T Don't say that wrong Don't say that wrong Hey What kind of fight is it MMA Is it just MMA Nah Chad don't do the MMA bro I love you Chad You on my side Chad listen to what I'm saying Are you on my side or not I need to see your eyes bro Take the locs off Chading, I got you.
MMA? Man, that James Harrison gonna grab you and me at the same time. Boy, you know how strong James Harrison is? I didn't see another by strength, boy.
You know how strong? If he can wrestle you, dude. If he can grab you, you do.
He's not gonna be able to grab me, T. T I'm going to play with him T listen to me I'm going to toy with him I'm going to toy with him in the octagon listen I'm going to hit him at will when I want to T I'm going to be jabbing him hey I'm going to bounce around I'm going to move around T hey watch Hey, watch out, yo.
Hey, Chad. Watch out.
Hey, listen. I'm going to tell you.
Let me listen to you. I got to see you.
Let me tell you. Let me tell you.
You need to have faith in the mustard seed. I'm going to tell you how I'm going to do it.
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Hey, man. This is the old This is the old Pride fight No weight class Yeah Just pride fight Yeah Back in the day Back in the day Back in the 60s Now The boxing thing Cause he got all that muscle He gonna be tired What you think What you think going to be an octagon, T? Because he going to shoot and take you down.
He can't shoot. You can't shoot.
I'm going to keep my distance. You got to get close enough to throw a pass.
How you going to throw a point, JoJo? Easy. What you mean? I'm a gazelle punching.

Hey.

Hey, man, I just hope James Harrison,

man. James, if you're watching,

have mercy on my play. Hey, James, if you're watching,

you got a punchable face.

See, TJ, what you done started?

Tell you. Hey, what

month is the fight?

Whatever month you want it to be. I was hoping somewhere around August or September.
I thought we were doing the Super Bowl. Oh, so you wanted to be at Super Bowl in San Francisco.
Yeah, so all the former current players can be there to see him get his ass whooped. Well, what about our show? We can do it tonight.
He said you ain't going to be able to do it. That's what he said.
That'd be perfect, too. We had a fight before the show.
We can do it tonight. You ain't gonna be on the show.

That's what he's saying. That'd be perfect, too.

We had a fight before the show.

Not the same day. I'm saying like a few days before.

Oh, Lord have mercy.

You gotta remember, Super Bowl is a seven-day event. Seven-day week.

I know. So we can

schedule it. I bet

you ain't heard from him because I told him to

send the contract.

So we'll have a fight that Friday night. We'll do our show that Thursday night.
Bingo. Yeah.
Man. Hey, just pay him off back in the 40s and 50s, man.
Just pay him off. Pay him to take a dime like Harlem Knights.
Pay him to take a dime, man. Hey, listen.
I'm not doing it. I got too much pride, T.
I got to show the world we got to learn to stand up the bullies. We got to learn to stand up the people that's bigger than us and stop looking at people that have size and strength and allowing that to intimidate us.
Oh, you know I ain't. So remember, remember the story,

remember the story of David and Goliath, right?

Same thing.

That's what it's going to be.

It's going to play,

it's going to play out in real life.

That's all I got to say.

You know I'm with you.

I just,

I'm advising you

to make sure it's just

hands only.

Just,

hey,

I got the,

I got,

I got the quickest feet in the world.

You know, they used to call me Luke Kane back in

high school.

Mortal Kombat, Luke Kane.

That was me.

That man get his hands on you, Ocho?

Hey, um, that's

the same thing you used to say on Sundays. If they

get their hands on me, and only one person

was able to do it.

Revis. You just got, you know, you was, see, when Revis did that, you was one foot in, one foot out.
You wasn't all the way in. You wasn't all the way in.
Well, I sure hope he'll be all the way in when he fight James. Oh, I definitely am.
Or he'll be, or he'll be, he'll be all both feet out. Hey, I've been working on my wrestling techniques too.

Oh, Lord.

See what you said, TJ?

This man talking about he going to wrestle.

No, I'm talking about in the third round.

He going to be tired.

It ain't going to get to the third round.

You better go get with one of them Gracie's and get on some jujitsu

so that when he grabs him.

Wait a minute.

Hold on.

I'm a black belt.

TJ, what you talking about? Nah, that's Hermes. That ain't no Jiu-Jitsu, bro.
Hey, you better go get with one of them Gracie. Somebody teach you some Jiu-Jitsu.
When he grab you, you got him. That's your best bet.
Pay John Jones to teach you. You go to Albuquerque, New Mexico.
That's what John, that's what he trained out of. Go to Mexico for like a month.
Yeah, I'm ready, man. The fact that y'all don't believe me, that kind of hurt, man.
Chad, that meant, hey, wrestling? That's all the big dudes do. That's all they're going to do.
Hey, wrestling, fighting, it don't matter. With it, anything, combat sports, he's going to be tired in 20 seconds because the first thing he's going to do is, ah, done, gassed.
Okay. It don't take much energy to grab somebody that can't get away.
I do realize that man played in the NFL, so he rushed the quarterback. You know, when they was going on no huddle, he was still rushing the quarterback.
Okay? I'm just listening.

All right.

I just let you know.

I tell you what.

I done done enough talking tonight.

I can show you better than I can tell you.

Okay.

All right.

TJ, man, thanks for joining us, man.

We got to get you to come back on on the reg, bro.

Man, y'all got to holler at your boy.

Hey, Boost Mobile, man.

Let me get that chirp, man. I see they both got the boost on the back, man.

Appreciate that.

Take care, man. Thanks for joining us

tonight.

DJ Housa Mazzotto, former

Bengal great, Ocho's

teammate in college and in the NFL.

According to

full rules report sent to the

NFL team this week, this

is now a 15-yard penalty. It's being considered a violent gesture.
So every time you got it, CD and all the guys like that. What? Oh, wait.
You know what? I'm not even going to upset myself. I'm not even going to upset myself because whatever the competition committee or whoever is responsible for this and making the rules, still, they're all about control.
Taking away all the NFL. NFL stands for no fun league.
And they continue to strike and continue to find ways to take fun away from the game and allow players not to be them individual selves. But, you know, attendance was down, right? If I'm not mistaken.

But y'all go ahead and do it your way.

Hey, Ocho,

they give me $60 million,

I'll go out there in a tuxedo.

I mean, Ocho, I mean, you think

about that money. Ocho, you made good money.

Ocho, them jokers making six, seven

times what you made. Oh, yeah.
And about what you made and not six to six exit. Yeah.
Okay. Hey, I'm going to have everything.
I'm going to have everything on nice and be up. I took my shirt here.
I don't want no problems. I don't want no problems in the field.
I tell you one thing. If I was playing in today's era, all the stuff I was doing back then, I'd still be doing it now.
You still do it? Oh, man. Plus some.
I ain't going to get no penalty. I ain't going to do nothing to get my team a penalty.
But you know. I never got my team no penalty.
I'm going to talk ish now. Oh, yeah.
But then now you can't say the N-word, Ocho. Yeah, I know.
Can you imagine if we was playing during the social media era? You know how many times we done said the N-word on that field? Oh, yeah. You heard me? Can you imagine if we were playing during the social media era? Oh, Lord.
Man, listen. No.
Boy. Oh, Lord.
Not me. Mind you, I got in trouble for tweeting on the sideline when we played Philly I got in trouble for tweeting on the sideline in the middle of a preseason game that was the beginning of social media era for me in 2009 can you imagine man I'd be man listen I'll score a touchdown and go live on Instagram oh who I told you because you know Joe I'm gonna take that for now I did but see I did the celebration where I pretended like I had a phone Joe Horn actually went and hit a phone pull the phone and pull the phone out I said pretty soon somebody go hey I have a lot one time I'm gonna say look here I'm gonna send a hundred thousand I'm gonna call Uber Eats.
Uber Eats gonna bring me a pizza on the sideline. I ain't lie.
Hey one thing. I'm gonna say look here I'm gonna tell my agent my friend I'm gonna say look I'm sending a hundred thousand aside because I know I'm gonna get fined.
Uber Eats gonna bring me a pizza Hey, that's a good one right there. Listen, today's game, I will push the envelope.
I really... They allow everybody to celebrate.
They allow group celebrations, but everybody's doing the same stuff. Nothing is authentic.
Nothing is organic. They're doing stuff they see on TV.
They're doing stuff they see on TikTok. Right.
You get that. Oh, the NFL is all about fan engagement, right? Well, this is what y'all want.
You want the fans to enjoy the game and have fun? No, we tell y'all how to engage the fans. Don't you try to come up with something.
Oh, no, no. Oh, I'm coming up with something.
I'm going to push the envelope. Don't let me score in the north or south end zone.
Don't let me be playing away. Man, I'm pulling the fan out of the end zone, man.
We're going to sit there and do the kid and play. Then we'll put it right back in the stand.
Can you imagine? Man, you're going to get the fan thrown out. You know the fan can't step on the field, man.
That is a memory. I promise you, if I was playing today, whatever game I score, I'm telling you, I will pull a fan out the stands in the north or south end zone, pull him down, and do the kid and play.
That will be iconic because it's something that's never been done before.

Everybody's doing stuff.

Now that you can celebrate, they just repeat the same stuff over and over.

Somebody has to push the envelope and make it fun.

Make it fun.