Club Shay Shay - Bow Wow Part 2

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Speaker 5 Thank you for coming back. Part two is underway.

Speaker 5 When you're growing up, who was your celebrity crush?

Speaker 5 Tyra Banks.

Speaker 5 Tyra Banks. Tyra Banks would be, she was always.

Speaker 5 She, what, what, 13 years older than you?

Speaker 5 She could be 30. years older than I would it didn't matter

Speaker 5 because at when my mom was married my stepfather he always had the sports. He was Sports Illustrated.

Speaker 5 And she was like, Miss Sports Illustrated. So when he had her calendar, I remember finding a calendar in their closet.
And I was like, this is the first woman I saw. I said, this is everything.

Speaker 5 And that was the first woman I laid my eyes on. I was like, I like her.
And it was Tyra. It was Hillary Banks.

Speaker 5 I love some Hillary.

Speaker 5 And was that really it? Was that it?

Speaker 5 That might have been it, really. Yeah, that was it, really.
Tyra and Hillary. 106 and Park, how did you get the gig of hosting 106 and Park? Got the gig hosted 106.

Speaker 5 Me and my boy

Speaker 5 at the time,

Speaker 5 matter of fact, not even. I was in Australia.
I was in Australia

Speaker 5 and I saw that 106 was going through changes. Right.
And he, oh, we look for a host, looking for a host, what?

Speaker 5 So I got on the internet playing around.

Speaker 5 Why are you looking for a host and I'm missing 106 apart? The host right here.

Speaker 5 I was playing and Stephen Hill called and said, yo, sorry what you put on the internet. You serious? Because it makes sense.
I'm ready. And I'm like, damn.

Speaker 5 Me and my boy Bart packed up, went to New York,

Speaker 5 and

Speaker 5 here I am, finally hosting the show that they named me at. Right.
That was dope. It was a fun time in New York.
Fun time. I learned a lot.
I learned a lot business-wise. I learned a lot in New York.

Speaker 5 New York taught me a lot. I love that time.

Speaker 5 Those two and a half years that I spent was well worth it. I would do it again.

Speaker 5 For your third album, you left So-So and JD to do your third album. Correct.
Why did you feel you needed to leave JD to do your third album? I never wanted to leave. I didn't.

Speaker 5 That was the moment where my heart got broke for the first time in music.

Speaker 5 Somebody who I consider a father figure to me, somebody I love. It's not even about the music.
It's family. It's blood to me.

Speaker 5 And he couldn't work with me because of contractual reasons. He ended up leaving Columbia.
He went to Arista.

Speaker 5 And me being a kid, not knowing how the business works, I'm like, well,

Speaker 5 why wouldn't you take the biggest artist you have? It wasn't that he didn't want to take me. He couldn't.
And that's when I realized, wow, contractually, I never was signed to SoSo Deaf.

Speaker 5 I was signed to Columbia.

Speaker 5 But this whole time I'm screaming So So Deaf in my record, So So Deaf, this, So So So. I got it tattered on me.
It's still So So Deaf for life. Don't need no contract on that.
It's inked.

Speaker 5 But during that time, I didn't understand. That's why he couldn't take me to Arista.
It's like, damn, bow, you under contract. Technically, I was your producer.

Speaker 5 and because of what's going on with me and the label it's going to be hard for me to grab you again and and and and and work with you so i'm watching jermaine build social depth

Speaker 5 to a whole nother level now he's having new artists

Speaker 5 it made me start being envying him i started not liking jd i felt i started despising him and i was just like

Speaker 5 that ain't that ain't loyal but

Speaker 5 it was business and i didn't understand i took it personal and you already know they always say never mix the two together.

Speaker 5 And that's why. And, you know, once I got with T.I., that's when T.I.
came in my life. And he became like big bro.
Came and put his arm around me, showed me how to write.

Speaker 5 He was,

Speaker 5 he helped me out a lot tremendously from an artist standpoint. So, which

Speaker 5 I needed that. Right.

Speaker 5 But you ended up, you returned to JD

Speaker 5 LA,

Speaker 5 all-star weekend.

Speaker 5 I call you. I said, enough's enough.
Where you at?

Speaker 5 He's like, who is it? I'm like, you know who it is. Where you at? We got to talk.
He's like, I'm in Malibu. I'm cool.
I'm about to pull up you and Jenna house right now. Like, I already know.

Speaker 5 I'm on the PCH. I'm on the way.

Speaker 5 Pull up, go in the crib.

Speaker 5 First time I think Jermaine probably seemed to cry, cry to him. I said, I quit.
He's like, what? I said, I quit. I don't want to do this no more.
I don't want to do music. I quit.

Speaker 5 I think I'm about to just be an actor. Because if I can't work with you, then I don't want to do this no more.

Speaker 5 And then

Speaker 5 I said, it don't feel right. Like, I want to work with you.
I don't want to work with nobody else. It's cool.
I went gold. So 700,000 records.

Speaker 5 Something's missing. And when you had a hit,

Speaker 5 this is me talking in Jerman. Right.

Speaker 5 This new so-so-def thing you kicking.

Speaker 5 Weak.

Speaker 5 None of this ain't going nowhere. Like,

Speaker 5 why are you wasting time? And you got your guy right here you gonna just leave me over there like that

Speaker 5 you saw them tears he said all right

Speaker 5 woke his ass up here come let me hold you number one here come like you with Sierra number one fresh as our man boom short like mine Chris Brown number one boom that talk we had in that kitchen at their house at the time it ignited a fire in JD and my man came back with a vengeance.

Speaker 5 Then you look on the chart, Mariah number one, like you number two, Mariah three, Bow Wow four.

Speaker 5 Jermaine at the top, top five is all JD. Me and Mariah, four songs is me and Mariah.
They his records.

Speaker 5 So just like how early on we were talking about how Jermaine know how to get to his artist, I know how to get to JD. Right.
I know exactly what to do, what to say to bring it out my dog.

Speaker 5 And it worked every time. Right.

Speaker 5 If I'm not mistaken, I think Hove ghost wrote for you. Where are you on ghost writing? Because a lot of people have different thoughts on ghostwriting.
Yeah. I wish Jay did write for me.

Speaker 5 So I can say that. I wish he did.
He never did. He did.
I wish he did. Right.
That'll be bragging rights. But

Speaker 5 where are you on this, bro? Ghostwriting to me, honestly, it don't matter. I think the fans don't care.

Speaker 5 Once it's produced and it's out,

Speaker 5 people are going to take it and make it how they make it. But people only feel a certain type of way of ghostwriting for MCs.
Correct. Army Singers don't.
Nope.

Speaker 5 People ghostwrite for Beyonce. All the time.
Mariah. The Dream.
Yep.

Speaker 5 Michael. People go.
All the time. Nobody had a problem with it.
It's only with MCs. Yeah.
Why?

Speaker 5 I think because it's just the competitive nature. I think that's just what the ground.
I think the forefathers of hip-hop, they laid that down.

Speaker 5 There was no thing as a songwriter for a rapper, right? You come from the hood, you telling your story. Who knows your story better than you?

Speaker 5 Why aren't you speaking it? Why aren't you jotting it down? You know what I mean? So for me, I had to learn how to write. And a lot of rappers don't know how to write.

Speaker 5 They can wrap their ass off, but they don't even know how to put it, format it into a record. It's tough.
The hook can be 12 bars. Some people don't even know how to count bars.

Speaker 5 They don't know how to count them. And it's the simplest thing in the world.
And I know for me, it bothered me because I come from that cloth. I come from that era.
I come from hip-hop.

Speaker 5 And Jermaine, I didn't know earlier, he didn't let me write because he didn't trust me. But I think I was too young and he knew exactly what I needed to say.

Speaker 5 And as I watched him and cats like T.I. write,

Speaker 5 it made me a better writer. And it turned me into a beast with my own pen.
So now I don't need nobody in the studio with me.

Speaker 5 Now, I might call on some cats for, like, if I'm in the booth, I might say, what y'all hearing? Like, y'all hearing anything? Like, what y'all hearing, y'all, what y'all feeling?

Speaker 5 And they might say something, okay, I'm going in with it then. I bet.
Give me an hour.

Speaker 5 I'm ready. I'm locked.
But I think everybody has a little help in the studio. Everybody has some help in the studio.
Absolutely. You signed with Cash Money with Lil Wayne, Nikki, Drake, Birdman.

Speaker 5 How did that come about? When I left Columbia, because of what I went through with them and with Jermaine and all of that, and I felt like I really wasn't getting

Speaker 5 the attention from the label that I wanted,

Speaker 5 I called Stunner and I was like, yo, I'm a free agent. And I'm like, I don't trust the majors.
Like, I just, you know, I'm comfortable being with people that I know and that I'm comfortable with.

Speaker 5 And if it's not Jermaine, if it ain't a Snoop, me and Stunner, we always had a cool relationship. And it was on fire.
And I'm like, yo, throw me in the fire, man.

Speaker 5 Just come come grab me bro he said you for real wheezy you you for real whizzle you heard me you you you you

Speaker 5 you're free i said i'm free as a bird come get me came and got me made it happen and i was comfortable there and i had a great time being there with stunning and being over there at cash money i learned a lot from him i learned a lot from slim his brother

Speaker 5 watching wayne work Me and Wayne work ethic is like so identical when they come in that studio. I would spend three days straight in there, no shower, no none of the same clothes, getting to it.

Speaker 5 Go drop the record off the Wayne room. Wayne is one of the coldest, most reliable guys.
When you need a verse, he's going to do it right there on the spot and walk it right back over to your room.

Speaker 5 I love my time at Cash Money. Had a chance to live in Miami, move to Miami.
I always had to crib Miami for eight years, but that made me really like relocate.

Speaker 5 So I left Atlanta and moved to my condo in Miami. That was, you already know, South Beach was a time, but I had a lot of fun.
And the energy that was

Speaker 5 coming into Miami around that time, LeBron just, I went there, did Bron Goes. On top of that, YMCNB, we on fire.
So the city was just, you wanted to soak up that energy.

Speaker 5 And being in Miami at that time, that's where the energy was. But you never, you didn't release an album.
Nope. We released two records.

Speaker 5 I released a record with Wayne, Cost Sweat, and I released another single with T-Pain. Right.
But never had a chance to put out a full project. But we did two joints, and I did some joints for

Speaker 5 some other artists. Yeah, and then I did some records for some other artists, too, that was on your money.
Yep. And then you ended up signing, you signed with Diddy for a while once you left there.

Speaker 5 When I left there,

Speaker 5 didn't sign with Puff, but I did, it was more of like a management type of thing

Speaker 5 with his guys.

Speaker 5 That's what it was more of that, because that was around a time where I was learning from him

Speaker 5 and

Speaker 5 I just needed that.

Speaker 5 Once again, somebody that I could trust, somebody I knew who knew the game and had my best interest. I was never going to sign with them.

Speaker 5 But the management side of things, I was going to let them rock with that. But we didn't never really dive into it deeply.
It was just really like a thing in the air, really.

Speaker 5 You got a new song, if I'm not mistaken, with Chris Brown called Use Me. How did you and Chris Brown, how did that, how did that, how did that collab come about?

Speaker 5 Brown, like you playing? Like you out here selling out arenas and you ain't got like what you doing? You got to compete, man. You competing.
Right. I'm like, nah, I'm just on my legacy shit right now.

Speaker 5 Like, oh, I'm on my legacy thing. And,

Speaker 5 you know, I'm doing what Kiss and my dynam do i ain't got to drop nothing i can just go right like yeah but you still you you still young bro we all still look good like you got to drop man i don't want to hear none of that you doubting yourself you scared and you need a friend like that to tell you you know what i mean and

Speaker 5 and i told him i said all right

Speaker 5 i remember this conversation vividly and you know when you friends you can you can admit something to your friend i said i need you Straight up.

Speaker 5 In order for me to get my blessing, I feel like I ain't gonna get it if I ain't being real with you. You my dog, you my dog.
I need you. I'm coming to you as a friend saying I need you.

Speaker 5 What you need, bro?

Speaker 5 I need your blessing on the record.

Speaker 5 My man said, you get the record. I got you.
Hit, send me the song. I did it.
I said, this is a no-brainer. Hits there's only one person you got to put on it.
You know who it is.

Speaker 5 And you know what you're going to have to go through. You have to go party.
You have to go play basketball. You have to go sit out of that house.
You have to be around

Speaker 5 all the graffiti. You got to stay over his house and don't leave.
You know your boy. I'm like, ah, man, that's exactly what happened.
But he was a man of his word.

Speaker 5 He cut the record right there in the crib. We did it in the studio, the same room you guys was in.
He cut the record right there and did it with no problem. And

Speaker 5 man, like,

Speaker 5 you know, and I feel like

Speaker 5 that's what a real homeboy is supposed to be. When you need something, you're supposed to lift me up, gang.
Like, I'm cooking, but I'm trying to get spicy hot. Bring me up.
And he did that.

Speaker 5 Is it the relationship?

Speaker 5 You were a teen star. He was a teen star.
Both of you kind of know what it's like to be teen stars. You both lived in that world.

Speaker 5 Is that kind of how the relationship and why the relationship is what it is? Yeah.

Speaker 5 And because it's real. And Brown, I tell you,

Speaker 5 you know,

Speaker 5 he's always saying it. It's so weird.
But he's like, man, I learned this from Bal. Everything I see me do, I got this from Bal.
And y'all don't want to steal. He was the first person to put it on me.

Speaker 5 He showed me all this.

Speaker 5 And it's true, but I'm just, I'm humble. So I'll be like, come on, I ain't got to

Speaker 5 say it all the time. Like, you ain't got to say it in front of everybody every time.
Like, that's why I move like this because Bow was first. Y'all thought I was Bow.

Speaker 5 Bow used to have 20 girls walking around.

Speaker 5 That's why I know. So it's like

Speaker 5 it's not even a little brother.

Speaker 5 That's just my dog. That's my brother.
He knows I got his back. I know he got mine.
And, you know, it is a lot of similarities with us. Like, you know, and

Speaker 5 yeah, that's my man. That's my dog.
How similar are Breezy and Usher? Because both are, both can sing their ass off. Both are entertainers to the upteeth.
I mean, but I mean, I saw, I saw

Speaker 5 Usher at the MGM,

Speaker 5 that show is fantastic. And I've seen Breezy

Speaker 5 as far as artists, yeah, the difference or you give me different similarities, similarities, uh, hard workers, both dedicated,

Speaker 5 they don't cheat the job, they don't cheat the job at all, at all.

Speaker 5 Um,

Speaker 5 different

Speaker 5 chris more of a rapper

Speaker 5 usher walks that r b like he is r b yeah you know he's he's he's smooth even it's not an act you know what i'm saying brown

Speaker 5 that's my dog brown edgy he got he more of a

Speaker 5 bro more of a rapper right you know what i'm saying he he lived like one right if you could ask him he'll tell you i'm gonna rap before i can sing right like that that's the difference between them but um all in all, just two talented guys, two GOATs.

Speaker 5 And, you know, I would say, you know, it's like the 1A and 1A of RB. It's them two at the top.
I don't think it's nobody else. And you can pick whatever your flavor is.
If it's Usher, if it's Brown.

Speaker 5 You know what I mean? But for me, I just feel like,

Speaker 5 you know, I'm wrong with the home team.

Speaker 5 Give me your top five. Give me your top five RB singers of all time.
Of all time. All time.
They got to be in order? Nope. Kale's going up there.
R. Kelly, for sure.
Okay. Hands down.

Speaker 5 Hands down, Kales.

Speaker 5 R. Kelly number two again.
Damn.

Speaker 5 Three, four, and five.

Speaker 5 Straight up. Damn, you got Kales one, two, three, four.

Speaker 5 If Jermaine was sitting in his couch, he would tell you. He did a list, and Bow said the same thing to me.

Speaker 5 I said, bro, if you don't put Robert, then Kelly, then Kales, then every nickname one through five, man, that's it. Wow.
That's it. I never heard nobody.

Speaker 5 nah, like

Speaker 5 I know. I listen, there's a lot of greats.
Luther,

Speaker 5 Marvin, so many Marvin. I mean, it's so many, but I feel like dude was, he's just such a

Speaker 5 RB

Speaker 5 genius. He learned and took from every last one of the greats

Speaker 5 and just

Speaker 5 molded it all in one. Like, even the, the, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.
I've realized where he got that from.

Speaker 5 I'm like,

Speaker 5 I thought he invented that. Oh, he got this from Bobby Woman.
That's Bobby Womack thing. I'm like, okay, okay.

Speaker 5 He, okay. It's just, it's effortless.
Like, and I've seen it in person when we worked on I'm a flirt. I mean, this man really called me and said, uh, bow, right now, I'm uh,

Speaker 5 I'm listening to this record and I'm trying to uh figure out exactly what I'm gonna do with it. What you hearing?

Speaker 5 Matter of fact, you ain't even got to tell me what you're handing. I think I got it.
I'm gonna call you back in five minutes. Give me about 10.

Speaker 5 Hung up,

Speaker 5 calls back. back.

Speaker 5 I'm here.

Speaker 5 And he's here. I'm like, what are you talking about? It's a boy.

Speaker 5 I'm like, what? It's a hit. Play that.

Speaker 5 I'm a flirt. Soon as I see you, I'm like this.

Speaker 5 Now, Ronnie, I was sitting at the board trying to come up with a hook. Because I know.

Speaker 5 For about four hours. Yeah.
And he just comes back with it. I'm going to flirt.

Speaker 5 So simple, so easy. Doesn't overwrite, doesn't oversing.
If you listen to any of his records, they're very simple.

Speaker 5 And they just, it's just different, man. But he the GOAT.
I got him. I don't get it.
All the personal, whatever, that's that. We're talking artistry,

Speaker 5 studio, that mic, them vocals, that pin, ain't nobody touching Kelsey. Wow.
Nobody. Nobody.
I stand on that. He it to me,

Speaker 5 he the MJ of RB. So you put you putting it on, you say the pin, you putting him up there with Quincy? With Stevie? His pen is crazy.
Quincy and Stevie about.

Speaker 5 You know who R. Kelly wrote for? You know the records he wrote? Do you know who Quincy? Of course.
You. Of course.
Trey. Mike.
Yes. J-V.
By the way, he wrote for Mike, too.

Speaker 5 Kells wrote for Mike.

Speaker 5 You are not alone. Yes.
Kells wrote that.

Speaker 5 It's no limit to the pen. Like, when there's no limit to your pen,

Speaker 5 bro, bro, like,

Speaker 5 yeah, it may get mad, jealous sometimes because I'm just like, I wish it came that easy. Ideas just

Speaker 5 bam, like, just came that fast, and the hook just comes that fast.

Speaker 5 Yeah, he's the greatest. How did you feel when Dre gave you the flower and said, if it wasn't for you, there would be no him?

Speaker 5 Uh,

Speaker 5 weird.

Speaker 5 Um,

Speaker 5 You know, because I'm a humble dude. Like,

Speaker 5 it's weird. Like,

Speaker 5 I guess because I'm me and I did the work,

Speaker 5 and I'm not sure if you feel the same way, but when you're you and you're doing the work, you don't really have the time to sit and look at what everybody else sees. You're on the journey.

Speaker 5 You're on the journey.

Speaker 5 I don't want to say until I'm feet up and I can watch the whole movie over again, right? And

Speaker 5 yeah,

Speaker 5 it was dope, though. It definitely was dope.
And even when he, you know, even when he called me, you know, there's so many people that Drake could have called for Atlanta to have him walk out.

Speaker 5 But he actually DM'd me and was like, bro, I need that bow. I walk out and make sure you bring them do-rags, which you do.
And I was like, all right, I got you.

Speaker 5 And I remember telling my boys, you know,

Speaker 5 I forgot what it was doing, but we were in the house just asleep. And I was like, man, Drizzy just hit me, man.
So I might want me to walk him out. And the boys jumped up like, what?

Speaker 5 You got to go get that moment, man. He could have called ti too chain could have called he hit you now we out now homies putting on clothes they

Speaker 5 sisters laying out outfits bro get your ass in the shower we got to make it down to stay farm and um

Speaker 5 and uh it it was it was it was special man it was dope it was dope to have somebody who people consider the number one guy in the game and somebody who i consider a homeboy of mine and um you know for him to think of me and get my roses yeah that that meant that meant a lot to me a lot to me that's not his first time doing something like that neither i mean the man man that stole me birthday parties and I didn't ask for him.

Speaker 5 I had a birthday takeover in Houston, and this man just said,

Speaker 5 he switched the plans. He's like, oh, yeah, oh, yeah, it is your birthday.
I'm celebrating my one, two, three songs, one, two, three. I got some for you.
You ain't going where you think you're going.

Speaker 5 I'm about to. I get there, and I'm like, how do you even get time? It's all my logo, the aisle up.
I'm like,

Speaker 5 how did he do this?

Speaker 5 But he did that for me.

Speaker 5 I appreciate him for that. Right.

Speaker 5 Bow, you've been in a lot of public relationships. Yep.
What have you you learned about dating publicly? Keep it off the internet. Don't do it.
So no more public relationship for you.

Speaker 5 I try my best to keep it private.

Speaker 5 I try my best. It's better that way.
I just seen a post on Instagram that said, like, it was a percent of high percentage relationships that make it because they keep their business off private line.

Speaker 5 And

Speaker 5 I could attest to that. I definitely agree because

Speaker 5 when you out in the public eye, it's just open.

Speaker 5 You know, it's just open. Everybody, a girl could DM your girl.
You know, it could be a girl that tried to talk to you and you said, nah, and she mad because you distance now.

Speaker 5 She wants to just direct message your girl and make up a story and just play a hate on your whole situation. I like when you don't know who my girl is.
You can't call my girl.

Speaker 5 You can't contact my lady. And that's how I want it to be.
Only I can contact my lady. And I just feel like I'm not looking for validation from nobody.

Speaker 5 And I feel like people that feel like, look, I get it. Women want to be shown off.
But we're talking about the strangers. Like, we don't even, we don't even know.
Right.

Speaker 5 Like, the people that know know.

Speaker 5 The ones that don't don't need to. Don't need to know.
And if they say it's a public, they say it's a public. I'm not high in you.
I just learned my lesson from when I have been open.

Speaker 5 Don't nothing good come from that. Everybody in your mix, everybody in your business.
It's just too much. I can't even lean in and ask the bartender for a napkin.

Speaker 5 They're going to think I'm whispering, what's your number? Like, I don't need none of that. I'm cool.
I like it how it is. So, one of your biggest songs with your ex.

Speaker 5 How do you feel performing that song today? Oh, no kind of way. You don't? It's our number one smash.
I love performing like you. Love it.
I love it. It's

Speaker 5 that's my go-to. Like, if I want to set it off, right? I'm going to like you for sure.
Right. Love it.
Love that record. The fans singing it word for word every time.

Speaker 5 That's my joint. What about like while in out where they be making jokes about you dating somebody and then somebody as famous as you dating that same person? Yeah.

Speaker 5 Do you feel some type of way when famous people date your exes?

Speaker 5 No,

Speaker 5 I'm a player.

Speaker 5 I'm grown. I don't got time for that.
Like, once she's no longer mine, she's not.

Speaker 5 Do what you do. Be happy.
Because I'm going to be happy. Yeah.
And I'm going to be just fine. Are you cool? Are you cool with all your exes or any of your exes? Are you cool? Yeah.
I'm cool.

Speaker 5 Most definitely. Cool with

Speaker 5 my daughter's mom for sure, though. That's my dog, Joy.
Yeah. Sean's mom.
That's my dog.

Speaker 5 I'll do anything for her. That's like,

Speaker 5 great mother, great friend, ride or die.

Speaker 5 Utmost respect. Upmost respect.
But yeah, I have no problem with none of my exes. It's all good.
It's all love. I'm happy for all of them.
Somebody moved on, had kids,

Speaker 5 married. I'm happy for them.
Like, genuinely, genuinely happy for them. Wow, you was out there for a minute, though.
You was out there bad, too. I was.
You're bad. Really? Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 Good times, they gonna owe you nothing.

Speaker 5 I mean, I be see,

Speaker 5 Joe,

Speaker 5 you had can you dated Kim for a hot set?

Speaker 5 Angela Simmons for a set?

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Speaker 5 Boy, you like the band.

Speaker 5 Them the famous ones we know about.

Speaker 5 You learn from your mistake. You keep that on the hush now.
I'm about to pour some more of this shit.

Speaker 5 Nah,

Speaker 5 I've had a blessed life, man. I've calmed down, though, since, you know, I would want to think that I have.

Speaker 5 But, yeah, man, I mean, like I said, God put some beautiful people in my life, and I've had a chance to come across some beautiful women.

Speaker 5 Those times were times. And like I said,

Speaker 5 I'm still a supporter for... for all my exes.
Like I'm really truly happy for them, for them to move on and watch them

Speaker 5 live out their dreams and things that they always wanted to do. And it could have been the things that I couldn't offer at that time.
Right. You know what I mean?

Speaker 5 And I'm genuinely happy for everybody because it seems like everybody's happy. Right.
Everybody wanted the end of the day. But you went public.
Aren't you dating Jada Peekin's niece?

Speaker 5 Damn, I just knew you didn't know about this.

Speaker 5 You went public and you posted it.

Speaker 5 You good.

Speaker 5 You posted it. I would have known had you not posted me.
That's all I was insinuating. I'm trying to keep it low-key.
I'm trying to.

Speaker 5 You can't post up and talk about you keep it low-key. But

Speaker 5 I thought it was low-key. I didn't jagger.

Speaker 5 What made you feel comfortable in order to do that? What made me feel comfortable?

Speaker 5 I want to say it before. I don't want to get cursed out when she watched this.
But

Speaker 5 what made me feel comfortable was I'm grown. It's like, look, it was New Year's.
I think that's the picture of New Year's.

Speaker 5 Yeah, it was. You've been drinking too, though.
I wasn't. I wasn't.
Not yet. You weren't drinking? Not yet.
Nope. I was on my way to my performance.
Okay.

Speaker 5 So we we didn't even crack a bottle yet but it was uh

Speaker 5 it was new year's and i had to put myself in her shoes right like here's the woman it's new year's she just posting stuff i don't want to make it an issue she looks beautiful i look good it's a moment she feel that so she said i look good right and um

Speaker 5 it was a moment and it was just like bow and for me it was the whole essence of new year's i'm like you know what i'm stepping out like you got caught up huh i got caught up

Speaker 5 she put me on that that selfie the next thing you know I said I ain't gonna oppose it because you got a lot of followers you know my page I always tell people my page is for my fans and it's for work right you know what I mean if you want to see my girl go to her page right birthdays you might see her holidays new year certain thing you might see her five times six times that day on my page right um but it was just one of the moments where i was like man you know what I understand.

Speaker 5 Let me put myself in a woman's shoes. She wants to show off, show me off.
She wants to show it off. I'm going to let her get this off.
I ain't tripping. It's all good.

Speaker 5 You once said that you're not going to get married. Are you rethinking that now?

Speaker 5 It's getting hot in here.

Speaker 5 I'm going to drag that.

Speaker 5 We might go to the forefront. We're going to finish this off.

Speaker 5 It's still, I don't, I don't know.

Speaker 5 You know what I'm doing? Okay, I'll put it this way. Because me and her, we've had these talks.
And, you know, she found an interview and saw me say it.

Speaker 5 And,

Speaker 5 you know, I told her like this: I'm not against anything,

Speaker 5 but when I get to that point, or if I ever do get to that point, I want to make sure I'm right. Right.
And, you know, that's not only a commitment to you, but a commitment to God. Right.

Speaker 5 And I don't play with stuff like that. So I don't want to talk about it.
I don't want to plan it. Let's just roll, baby.
Let's just have fun. We have a good time now.
Yeah. And if it gets there.

Speaker 5 Let's not ruin and talk about that. If we get to that point.
if it get there it get there yeah you know what i mean but let's have fun we on tour

Speaker 5 about to go to london i'm taking it you know what i mean let's just live young remember i talk about that youth yeah yeah yeah yeah let's stay right there you keep talking about that you aging be like you

Speaker 5 you you yeah yeah it's like i don't want to i don't want to think

Speaker 5 Too far this bank. Yeah, baby, did you see the new drapes that came? I'm not ready for that yet.

Speaker 5 Let's hop on the jet and go to Terps and let's have some fun. Let's just keep living.
And when we get there, we get there. But, you know, I'm reading that you urged Nelly to Shanti.
Damn, I did.

Speaker 5 I'm like, how are you going to tell somebody to do something that you ain't wanted to do? I will mo 50 plus. Like, it's like, bro, I'm 38.
I mean, I'm not saying I'm a spring chicken.

Speaker 5 38, I'm 2040, but it's still, it ain't 40. But I'm like,

Speaker 5 mo,

Speaker 5 like, you're 50 plus. Bro, it's like, this is what they said about me.
No, you good.

Speaker 5 Listen, OG, you in the game. You straight.
you good but i'm just like you know

Speaker 5 i saw him during the verses he ran across the stage to get her i know how much she means to him yeah nelly's another person who is family that's jermaine's best friend that is considered my big brother he the only person that could pull up on me and he'll want to fight me he the only one that's my guy and i just know how much that woman means to him and you know i've had chances to see mo

Speaker 5 behind the scenes and i say mo that's nelly um in ways that people haven't seen him. And I just know how much that woman means to him.
And I mean, I saw my man with the band on, so

Speaker 5 he rocking. He locked in.
He locked in. So I'm just so proud for him.

Speaker 5 Her too. You know, Ashanti is a Millennium Tour vet.
She was a part of the brand as well. And, you know,

Speaker 5 I'm happy to see it. They have, that's the greatest, probably one of the greatest spin the block.
That's what they call it. Spin the block.
In history. In history, yeah.

Speaker 5 Well, you trying to do it again because you were urging JD to get back with Janet. I do want that to happen.

Speaker 5 I do want that to happen. If he's going to watch, it's probably like just there.
Damn, bow. Kenneth.

Speaker 5 I do want that to happen. You've been around.
So what is, you know, you don't have to get too, but, but what is, I mean, you've been around her when, you know, obviously she's Janet Jackson.

Speaker 5 She's an icon member of the famous Jackson family. But what are some things? I mean, what is she like behind the scenes? She's the sweetest, coolest person ever.

Speaker 5 It's like the best stepmom you can have. Really? Wow.
What? Right. The best stepmom you could have.
So sweet. So, I mean,

Speaker 5 and could be in the midst of the guys. And it's whatever.
Like,

Speaker 5 I remember watching Miss Jan wash dishes. Like, I was like, I didn't even know the Four Seasons had a condo at the top.
Oh, no, they don't. This

Speaker 5 JD's in there. I'm like, I didn't even know this.

Speaker 5 You got the presidential. Yeah.
It's something else. Above that.
Above that. Damn.
I'm trying to tell you. And like, I'm watching Miss Jan

Speaker 5 wash dishes. I'm like,

Speaker 5 this is crazy. But she's so down to earth, so sweet, drowns herself, gonna pull up.
If it's a taco spot, she's gonna pull up, hop out,

Speaker 5 walk in, grab the top, we're gonna hop back in the car and drive right back to her. Man, Miss Jan,

Speaker 5 man, was everything.

Speaker 5 You know a woman, you know,

Speaker 5 you know somebody special when y'all when you when the person and the other person break up and you mad at your at the at your homie. right that's how we all was with jd we like

Speaker 5 we like damn not even that it's like damn

Speaker 5 get it back together please it was just so beautiful bro and and jermaine was just such at peace and i mean i'm i'm not even gonna lie the jets stay ready

Speaker 5 we was on the pj for the g4 g5 every day

Speaker 5 to stay ready man yeah man but beautiful person i i really do hope i know jermaine gonna kill me like wow you gotta keep praying that shit i got a i got something for you you We've used the term spend the block a lot.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 5 You wasn't in a relationship, who would you spend the block with?

Speaker 5 To go back, yeah. I was gonna go, yeah, you gotta spend the block.
You don't spend the block, me.

Speaker 5 Nobody. You wouldn't spend the block? Uh-uh.

Speaker 5 Nope.

Speaker 5 Not on one person. Honest to God.
So I feel like them chapters is closed. Like, we did that.
Right. That was those.

Speaker 5 There's a reason why

Speaker 5 they left, you left, and we're not. We're cool.
We're cool for sure. But we're going to stay.
We're going to keep it cool. Cool over here.
You cool over there. Yep.

Speaker 5 I've never been the type to spin back. Keep it forward.
Keep moving.

Speaker 5 Do you ever get concerned or have you ever been concerned that this person is dating me for who I am and for not the person that I am? Nope. I've never once felt that.
Really? Wow.

Speaker 5 Never in my life have I felt that. Because the ones that I chose to be my lady,

Speaker 5 I knew they wanted to be there. They love me.
And I can tell. I can tell by their actions.
That's how you know. I can tell.
Like, even my girl now, you know what I mean? I know,

Speaker 5 loves me because I'm difficult. Like, I'm not going to sit here and preach and act like I'm just this saint.
Yeah, I'm still working on myself. I'm still working.

Speaker 5 I'm a work in progress for sure, especially growing up in this business and seeing what I've seen and living the lifestyle that I live, it is tough, especially dating what you would call a heartthrob.

Speaker 5 You know what I mean? It's only so many guys in the game that have that thing. to where no matter where you at, the baddies are just there.

Speaker 5 Like it's times, like even on tour, like I'll be like, I don't even need no passes. I ain't gonna buy no passes.
I look, they just there. I go out in the hallway, they're just there.

Speaker 5 It's like, it's just around, and you can't escape it. It's just temptation, temptation, temptation, temptation.
And it's just so she traveled.

Speaker 5 So, your girl now is on the road with you when you travel. She has.
She has, but she's not all the time. Not all the time.

Speaker 5 But when we got to Houston, we had to have a talk.

Speaker 5 I brought that up. I know how you feel about that.

Speaker 5 When we got to Houston,

Speaker 5 oh, OG, I had to, I had to keep it real with her. I had to to tell her, I'm like, baby, listen, I got two parties.

Speaker 5 Well, I do. I have two parties, and I need you to meet me halfway.

Speaker 5 I'm going to bring you to the first one.

Speaker 5 Have some drinks, have a good time, show you off.

Speaker 5 But SUV is going to take you back to the four seasons.

Speaker 5 You and my auntie.

Speaker 5 And I know it. I can see it on her face.
She's like, I'm still outside. I want to turn a witch.

Speaker 5 I'm like, I know, but there's places. There's a time and a place.

Speaker 5 I don't want to to take you to Area 29.

Speaker 5 We got to go. And me and Trey.
Yeah. So we got to go together.
Yeah. I don't want my lady in the spot like that.

Speaker 5 It's going to be, it's a lose-lose anyway. I'm having too much fun in front of you.
That's me being disrespectful. Disrespectful.

Speaker 5 You pretend like I ain't here. Yeah.
And then if I'm just here being a good boy and everybody around me, like Bow ain't being himself. He ain't being bow.
You still left wife at your home.

Speaker 5 So it's really a lose-lose. But I had to tell her, I'm, baby, I'll meet you halfway.
We'll leave at eight in the morning, but I need you.

Speaker 5 What'd she say? Would she say okay? Reluctantly, she said, okay.

Speaker 5 Listen, she didn't say no word, but that body language. We were talking about body language.
Yeah, I could tell she ain't want to leave. She didn't.

Speaker 5 She went to what that Houston.

Speaker 5 I'll be telling people, it ain't Miami. Atlanta's Atlanta.
But Houston on another level. My Lord.

Speaker 5 I thought I was going to move there.

Speaker 5 I was looking for a crib. I swear to God.
You heard about social media got Blackie Gary laughing? You was looking too? Yes. Oh, no.
Yes. Don't do it.
I know so. Don't you do it.

Speaker 5 Don't do it.

Speaker 5 My manager was like this.

Speaker 5 After the show, we out. I said, what time?

Speaker 5 Well, we get out about three.

Speaker 5 What? 3 a.m.?

Speaker 5 After the after party,

Speaker 5 I meet you halfway. And can we leave at 8 in the morning? The tour bus got to leave at 8 in the morning.
And we off the next day, please. Yeah.
Houston. He gave me 8.
That's all I needed.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I love Houston. Shout out to the H, man.
I love Houston. Oh, my God.
I love Houston, too. Jeez, Louise.

Speaker 5 Man. We can have a whole segment talking about about Houston.
Yeah, we could. I know.

Speaker 5 What made you... Travis Hunter's situation.
Yeah. You left something for him on.
What made you decide to like, man, Trav, come on, bro?

Speaker 5 I just didn't like seeing a young brother get played. Or I just, you know what I'm saying? I just felt like, you know, I know OG around him, Prime around, Prime got the game.
He go.

Speaker 5 But I just felt like. Nobody around Young Cat was really giving it to him.
Like, I mean, look, think about this.

Speaker 5 you on a football team, I know they was giving him stuff in the locker room. That's what they gonna do.
You know what I'm saying? But I just felt like, look, man, check this out.

Speaker 5 The way Snoop would give me game, I just feel like my brother, it was my calling just to reach out to you and just give you some game. You know what I'm saying? Just

Speaker 5 focus on the goal. Even to this day, like my girl know, I'll tell her, like, look, I know this might hurt you,

Speaker 5 but I got to do what I got to do.

Speaker 5 It's a goal. I got to reach that goal.
It ain't going to be pretty,

Speaker 5 but it's going to be times where I might hurt you along the way, whether that be you can't come here or there's a reason for this or I got to do this or this, that it's just like that.

Speaker 5 And I just felt like I wanted, bro, to focus on the goal. You're about to make the biggest bag of your life.
You've been working on this. You know what I'm saying? You went to Chassis State.

Speaker 5 Look how you came and

Speaker 5 you did it in a different way. And now you finally hear Heisman Trophy.
Man, check this out, gang.

Speaker 5 When you go pro and you get in that locker room and you see how them pros live,

Speaker 5 all that going to change. I've been there.
there, I was once the young cat, young millions of dollars. I know how it is.
I came in the game the same way.

Speaker 5 I got my girlfriend, okay, I'm gonna be with her for the rest of my life. Then I know that it would be a hundred million girls liking me.

Speaker 5 It's a difference when you get that power, then you start learning from your teammates, you rolling with them.

Speaker 5 It's similar like the me and Jermaine story, they just laying it out for you, laying it out for you. You go to the club now, kick back, rook.
You ain't got to pay. We'll show you how we do this.

Speaker 5 And you start adapting to that. So I'm like, young brother, it's going to be time for all that.
But get busy on that field. Go get your bag.
Secure your bag. Make sure the fam's straight.

Speaker 5 The women going to be there. And, you know, I just didn't really like how homegirl, just the little thing that I was seeing, I just couldn't really rock with it all.
Like how she would talk.

Speaker 5 Did you feel you could have reached out to him in a DM or you could have had somebody? I could have. I could have.
It was ways. I could have, but

Speaker 5 I wanted him to hear me.

Speaker 5 Like, I just felt like he just reminded me of one of my little homies. Like, I got so many little bros that look up to me and they come to me for game about this, that, and the third.

Speaker 5 And I just looked at Travi like, brother, I'm not dissing you. I'm not coming at you.
I'm just want to wake you up. Because I had to be woke up a couple of times.
Especially these women.

Speaker 5 These women can blind you out here. You'll be so blind, just in love and just milking your ass, milking you, milking you.
And then when the milk dry up and it's powder,

Speaker 5 they gone. So I just wanted him to be aware of that.
I didn't know if nobody was really. teaching him or telling him that.
So it was coming from a good place.

Speaker 5 It wasn't coming from nowhere trying to be, and you know, in all respect to his lady, you know what I mean? If that's the situation, that's the situation. But I like how he's doing it now.

Speaker 5 He fell back. Yeah.
He sees how it was. That's

Speaker 5 starting to overshadow your game. You cold, man.
You the coldest a dude. You cold.
We all root for you. I'm a fan.
Right. But I know how these women sometimes could sidetrack the gold.

Speaker 5 Nah, keep that off the internet because that's starting to overshadow the skill. Right.
You're doing a combine. They should be talking about what's going on at home.
Right. Neo situation.

Speaker 5 Bearing some new Neo RB. And he has three or four of them now.

Speaker 5 Is that a situation? I mean, could Bob find himself?

Speaker 5 Because he's like, well, some ocho, my partner on Nightcap, he says, if you just be up front with them, more times than not, they'll be willing to accept. I said, well, I ain't never met none of them.

Speaker 5 I said, I just need to know where you going to meeting them that you could tell them, say, you know what, I might see Jane. I might see Sally.
I might see Sue. But I said, I don't know.

Speaker 5 I ain't met none of them.

Speaker 5 And it definitely ain't going to be no four.

Speaker 5 They out there, though. They out there like that.

Speaker 5 There's some women that's out there that, you know, if you be real with them and let them know, like, yo, look, baby, you know, this is how I'm living my life. This is how I'm thugging.

Speaker 5 This is, you know what I mean? One ain't enough.

Speaker 5 I'm going to just be open with you. If you're with it, you with it.
If not, not, I totally respect it.

Speaker 5 I'm not saying you got to get down to get down, but I'm just letting you know I got two of the girls. I got three girlfriends.
You know what I'm saying? Damn. You can live.
You feel like that, babe?

Speaker 5 Hell no. I can't do it.

Speaker 5 I can't do it. I love women.
Don't get it twisted. I love having my vibes.
You come to my show. My dress rooms is beautiful women.
It's an aviance. It's music.
it's drinks. That's as far as I can go.

Speaker 5 Having three women or four girlfriends and they staying with me, I would lose my mind. I'm too,

Speaker 5 I like, I like my space. Listen, one woman in the house is enough.
Hair be all over the place.

Speaker 5 I can't deal with four heads.

Speaker 5 That's crazy. Different attitudes, different mood swings.
This one feels like, oh, you're doing too much for this one. You gave her this.
You bought her a Birken, but you took her to. Uh-uh.

Speaker 5 I can't do it. I can't make, I can't maintain four girls at the same time.
Like with Neil, all salute to Neil. Neil's different.
Yeah, yeah. He got patience.
I ain't, I ain't with that. Yeah.

Speaker 5 I can't do it. Kudos, Neil.
Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 5 For sure.

Speaker 5 Kids. What's it like being a, what, what is, what is, what is Bow the father like? Fun.

Speaker 5 Big kid, more of a kid than the kids.

Speaker 5 Shy gets so mad at me. You doing it again.
You're playing around. She was just at the Dallas show.
She moved to Dallas. My daughter did.

Speaker 5 And she comes to the Dallas show with her friends from school, her new friends. And, you know, I said, you know, you know, you got a cool dad.
Yeah, you know what I mean?

Speaker 5 Your friends, they're gonna love you. You're gonna go back to school.
I'm gonna turn y'all up. Y'all gonna get the pictures, right? Trace on.
Y'all gonna go back lit.

Speaker 5 And

Speaker 5 so they were doing some type of TikTok thing. And she wanted Jade to do it with her.
So, you know, me, I come in there, wanting to mess around. And it's no, dad, no, you're embarrassing me.
Stop.

Speaker 5 I'm like, all right, cool. Then I realized that a father with a teenage daughter, we are the ATM machine.
Right.

Speaker 5 And that's it. That's it.
It's the hi dad. I love you so much.
I love you too. How much?

Speaker 5 Yep. And here it comes.
Dad, damn. I thought I was going to just say, I love you, Miss YouTube.
I knew it was coming.

Speaker 5 Dad, can you send me a thousand?

Speaker 5 A thou?

Speaker 5 What teenage doing with a thou now?

Speaker 5 It's a different time.

Speaker 5 Either that or I'm not good with giving money to the kids.

Speaker 5 But it's crazy. And I'm like, shy, when i was 14 i wasn't getting a thousand

Speaker 5 teama wasn't yo my mama wasn't giving me no thousand dollars a hundred was a thousand to me yeah i got a seen a hundred dollar bill that was everything it's like no but dad you don't understand

Speaker 5 okay first of all i live in la so you know everything here is expensive dad it cost me 280 for my nails i'm like wait what are you doing yes so you know what dad does be a dad baby girl you need to go to cvs and you need to do that yourself you need to you got all the time you should try to do them yourself and get creative and do that.

Speaker 5 And you'll save 280. That's 280.
So that's 280 off that. Then you know they want to go eat.
It's not just her. It's four of them.
It's five of them. They all pitching in.
And sometimes I'm like,

Speaker 5 are you, they know who you is. Are you fronting the whole thing? Are you? Yeah, because this is ridiculous.
Excuse me. This is ridiculous.
But it made sense for me to do that.

Speaker 5 And I'm teaching her money management. She does so good.

Speaker 5 And like, she'll call like two months and be like, dad, I still have like 375 left from that thousand you gave me like a month and a half ago or two months ago. I'm like, oh, that's good.
Right.

Speaker 5 So I don't mind giving it to her. And then plus, I'm not on child support.
Right.

Speaker 5 So

Speaker 5 that's like my own, my own child support for her. It's like, man, here go $1,000 a month for you.
Just,

Speaker 5 yeah. And if your mama needs something, she can go to you and borrow it, whatever the case may be.

Speaker 5 Your mama get her own money, but, and mama do it too. She'd be like, yo daddy sent you something.

Speaker 5 Apple pay me $300 real quick. I'll pay you back shy.
So it's all good.

Speaker 5 At one point in time, you tweeted, tweeted about saying you don't want to be here anymore and the fan was up. What were you going going through?

Speaker 5 What was that dark period of time in Biles' life that he felt that, you know, this was something that he wanted to project? Man, just going through the growing pains, you know, being in that dark,

Speaker 5 especially being in this business, this business can get very, very dark.

Speaker 5 And, you know,

Speaker 5 you in front of the public eye and you deal with so much scrutiny, but not only that, you're dealing with self-doubt. It's really more of a self-think.
Can I do it again?

Speaker 5 Do the people love me? Am I losing my fans? Did this person come and put me out of business? Like, it's just, it's so many things that were just floating in my head.

Speaker 5 And it was to the point to where I felt like I accomplished and did everything so fast. Right.

Speaker 5 And, you know, I'm sitting like I done lapped the world nine times. Got my first tattoo at 15.
I ain't got to look forward to that. Got into the strip club before I was 21.
Can't look forward to that.

Speaker 5 I'm burnt out. I done did everything.
I'm like,

Speaker 5 I just feel like I couldn't get no peace. And then the most selfish thing that you can do is think about something like that.
Damn, I don't want to be here no more.

Speaker 5 And the reason at that time why I said that was because the only thing I was searching for was peace. I wanted a room and I want to hear nothing.
I just wanted peace.

Speaker 5 And I feel like the only time, you know, I can get peace is if I'm no longer here. That's how I was thinking during that time.
Nothing made me happy.

Speaker 5 The music business wasn't making me happy.

Speaker 5 Relationships. failed

Speaker 5 and I was just completely over everything.

Speaker 5 And then

Speaker 5 I had to snap out of it. How did you snap out of it? Did you seek therapy? Did you talk to someone with a family, friend, loved one? How did you snap out of it? God.

Speaker 5 God,

Speaker 5 my mama, my boys.

Speaker 5 My boys help me out a lot. Really? Yeah.
I always call on them. If I need them, I'll tell them.
I need y'all. He's like, come on, Erin, let's take this trip to Houston.
Oh, we do.

Speaker 5 That's what we do. I'm like, that's the therapy.
My guys, the guys. You know, my girl get mad now.
You spend some time with them guys. The guy was better than me being with the girl.

Speaker 5 You know, for sure. But my guys,

Speaker 5 my boys

Speaker 5 mean everything to me.

Speaker 5 Like,

Speaker 5 I remember telling a girl this, a high-profile celebrity. I ain't gonna say her name.

Speaker 5 She said, you love me? I said, of course I do. I love you.

Speaker 5 But them guys, my guys,

Speaker 5 I love them just as much because if this goes to shits, them guys

Speaker 5 are going going to pick me up and they're going to be here and they're going to get me back to where I got to be.

Speaker 5 My bros is,

Speaker 5 that's why I talk to God and my dogs and my mama. You know what I mean? And my manager, too, he played a big part in it too.
I feel like I can speak to him.

Speaker 5 I'm an open book, but I know my boys and being in my group chat. My group chat is my therapy.

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Speaker 5 That's my therapy, the group chat.

Speaker 5 You'll be amazed at how the littlest things can help people. Just the littlest things, even if that's writing this down in the morning or starting a group chat with friends.

Speaker 5 And, you know, like we got a group chat, you know, and it's a famous person in there who

Speaker 5 is

Speaker 5 talked about a lot in the media, right?

Speaker 5 And when we put him in the group chat with us

Speaker 5 he was like y'all don't understand this is the greatest thing that happened to me i like i get to come in here and just say what i want

Speaker 5 get it off i said it feel like you're tweeting don't it except it ain't public but you getting it off he said it's amazing so something as simple as that can change somebody's life you know what i mean and you know that's that's my my therapy is My group chat, my friends, God, and the close people around me.

Speaker 5 I don't need to talk to no stranger or

Speaker 5 confess to him. No, nobody knows me better than me.
My boys know me. People around me know me.

Speaker 5 And I'm not saying there's anything wrong with talking to a professional, but I tell you what, it's different when it comes to people that's been on you for years. Right.

Speaker 5 And somebody who getting paid to talk to you. I'm going to tell you anything.

Speaker 5 You do realize that, you know, you said you couldn't find peace and you felt that that was the only way for you to find peace.

Speaker 5 Although you would have found peace, do you realize the people that would have left behind would have had no peace? Oh my gosh, absolutely.

Speaker 5 Well, the pain that the person, the individual might be feeling, it says, I just want to rid this myself of this pain. But think about how much pain

Speaker 5 you would have caused and left. Selfish.
That's why I said that when I was explaining selfish, it was very selfish. Very selfish.
And

Speaker 5 yeah, I'm glad that that chapter's closed. That was a very, very dark point in my life.
What's been the hardest part about growing up in the public's eye for the last 30 years?

Speaker 5 I think that the hardest part is

Speaker 5 not being able to live freely.

Speaker 5 Everybody judging you, knowing that they're doing the same thing.

Speaker 5 They're doing the same thing and just ain't televised. That's the one thing I can't stand.

Speaker 5 Like,

Speaker 5 what have I done

Speaker 5 that y'all ain't done? And a lot of things I'm doing, y'all can't do because y'all let me. But if you could, you would.
I like that.

Speaker 5 I like that. I like that.
But yeah, that's it, man. It's just, you know, it's tough, man.
Like,

Speaker 5 I can't do nothing like i i just can't do nothing especially with the cell phones being out man it's just it's just hard to live free man i can't stand it man i can't

Speaker 5 i come home and boy like my girl showed me a video i'm like who did that i don't know somebody i'm like why are they filming me like drinking orange juice that's so weird like why y'all doing that like they do too much huh doing too much so that's that's really the hard doing way too much do you understand do you understand uh a social media now because anytime you post something if you post anything somebody they got got detectives on social media.

Speaker 5 They're trying to, like, when you post about the private year, they say he ain't no private year. I was about to just get into that.
I was about to freaking up. I swear to God.

Speaker 5 I swear to God, I was. That was probably,

Speaker 5 I got caught. Yeah.

Speaker 5 And it is simple as that. I was fake flexing.
I got caught. Nor was not a coach.
I wasn't a Delta Flight in first class. Can't explain it enough.

Speaker 5 Didn't think nothing of it. Like, I did, like,

Speaker 5 saw the picture. I said, I'm about to post this because I don't want people to know how I'm moving.

Speaker 5 And I posted it to try to derail people. Like, I post stuff all the time and people are like, you there? No, I ain't there.
I'm in the house on the couch. I just wanted to post it.
Get out my phone.

Speaker 5 What is it called? A dump. Get it out.
On this particular day,

Speaker 5 I posted.

Speaker 5 I'm like, cool. I can go to sleep now.
People don't know. They think I'm on this and I'm not.
On here. I'm throwing everybody off.

Speaker 5 Somebody actually following. Somebody's on the plane.
What do we say about them phones?

Speaker 5 Got me, posted it, and I just had to own up to it. Like, y'all got me.
Okay. You know how many rappers lie? Right.
Y'all caught me one time. Right.

Speaker 5 I will never do this again. Right.
It's over. I get it.
Because somebody posted you somebody. He ain't on no private plane.
He's right here.

Speaker 5 He's right there. I said, asshole.
Why did you do that? That's Lil Romeo. That ain't me.

Speaker 5 That ain't me. That's Romeo.
That ain't me. But I laughed at it, man.
You know, everybody had their one, two, into it. I just seen,

Speaker 5 what's the comedian name? Owens.

Speaker 5 Gary Owens? Gary Owens.

Speaker 5 I was on my TikTok and his special came up and he was talking about it in his stand-up.

Speaker 5 But it's to show you, bro, I'm normal and I make mistakes and I can own up to it. Right.
And,

Speaker 5 you know, I mean, Jets, we done been on since then. Yeah.

Speaker 5 There we go. I had no reason to do it, but I did it.
And I got caught flexing. Right.
The fake flex.

Speaker 5 Orlando Brown, when he mentioned that you guys had a relationship.

Speaker 5 I mean,

Speaker 5 it's like, bro, come on now.

Speaker 5 Yo, I ain't gonna lie, that dude is hilarious. He's hilarious.
Like, I'll. But you know, people believe that, though, if they believe that something wrong with them, they crazy as hell.

Speaker 5 They done drunk two shades.

Speaker 5 Straight. Straight.
Straight.

Speaker 5 Man, I'm going to be honest with you.

Speaker 5 That dude

Speaker 5 is smart. He know what he's doing.

Speaker 5 He ain't no fool. He ain't no fool.
I seen an interview where he said,

Speaker 5 people pay me. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 5 And when I get the bag, however much the money determines,

Speaker 5 am I going to be crazy? Because I can be Orlando. And we have a casual conversation.
We can talk.

Speaker 5 I always thought he was talented.

Speaker 5 Always thought he was talented.

Speaker 5 Yes, he's had troubles.

Speaker 5 I ain't even going to get into all that. That's his personal business.
That's his life. But outside of that, I've always thought he was talented as hell.

Speaker 5 And I always thought that since all of these people put him on their platforms for clickbait, somebody to put the boy on TV and give him a real job. I always said that.

Speaker 5 There is talent,

Speaker 5 even though he does and says crazy stuff. And before he started wilding on me and saying I'm really

Speaker 5 Tupac, and he'd be saying, if he was here right now, he'll say, no, you really, you really somebody else is you on? He'd be like, what? He will call you that the whole interview.

Speaker 5 You just be like, what? What is he on?

Speaker 5 But I always thought that, you know, people just use him. It's sad in some ways, but I feel like the boy is talented.
He's funny as hell.

Speaker 5 And if given the right opportunity, if somebody really gives him something, something where he can be himself, Orlando Brown, I think it'll pop.

Speaker 5 I'm not going to sit here and down the brother of Dissimore. You know, a lot of cats are like, you got to see that boy.
Like, you're going to have to. All right.
He walk in here.

Speaker 5 He ain't about to say none of that shit. He ain't about to say none of that to me.
He's going to walk. What up, babe? Man, you know, I'll be just effing around.
I know how these things go. Right.

Speaker 5 I don't really take nothing seriously. As long as you ain't playing my money, playing with my kids, I ain't tripping.
We can deal with that. I ain't tripping, man.
I'm laughing.

Speaker 5 It's clownery.

Speaker 5 We laugh at stuff like that.

Speaker 5 I ain't tripping Orlando Brown like that. You mentioned that you lost your virginity at 15.

Speaker 5 How did that change? I mean,

Speaker 5 were you anxious? How did that change your perception of sexuality, women, relationships? What did that do to you?

Speaker 5 My mama said, I'm going to know when you get some because you're going to walk around the house a little different.

Speaker 5 You know what I mean? That's what she told me. But

Speaker 5 did she know? Nah, she ain't no.

Speaker 5 She ain't know.

Speaker 5 My whole thing was

Speaker 5 it was funny, like, how it happened. Because after I lost my Virginia, I'm thinking,

Speaker 5 I don't know if this is every young man when they live in Virginia, but I'm like, how can I get more? Oh, yeah, that's exactly what it is.

Speaker 5 That's exactly what it is. How can I get more of this? And, like, do I, do I ask? Like, I don't even know how I get it.
You know what I mean? And that's not happening to father. I don't know.

Speaker 5 I'm out here in the wild. Yeah.
OG. I don't know.
I'm out here like. They say, oh, his nose wide open.

Speaker 5 I don't even know how to get to the panties again. I don't know.

Speaker 5 This might take months. I don't know.
But once I cracked the cold,

Speaker 5 I was still chilling. I was cool.
It wasn't until

Speaker 5 I got around 18, 19, the nightlife hit. And the nightlife hit, and I was able to go out and enjoy Atlanta.
and enjoy these these beautiful places and you know these

Speaker 5 places that we enjoy right so much it changed you know I mean it definitely changed big time

Speaker 5 tattoos you said you um you got your first tattoo at 15 yep did your mom did your mom approve of it or you got a tattoo without her knowing moms approved he was right there when I did it here in Atlanta at the studio wow it's like that's it too don't be trying to don't take this overboard I'm like this all right

Speaker 5 and then I went crazy after that Did you they say it's addictive it is you don't have any I don't have any you ever thought about it

Speaker 5 I did.

Speaker 5 No, I thought about it. My grandmother, I wanted to get my grandmother's name.
Okay. My sister found a thing where she had written her name on it.
And then I thought about it. She hated that.

Speaker 5 She hated tattoos. She said, Son, don't ever mark up your body.
So I ain't going to do it. I wanted an earring.
My mom told me once I graduated high school, I can have an earring.

Speaker 5 And then once I graduated, I didn't want it.

Speaker 5 I wanted what I want when I wanted it. And then I didn't get it.
It's like whatever. Yeah.
I don't blame you. So you sleeved? Yeah.

Speaker 5 Covered.

Speaker 5 The right elbow out. Yeah.
I got

Speaker 5 some joints on here where I'm from, my mama, my mama, my logo, where I'm from, Columbus. I got some prayers.
I got a Malcolm X quote on me. So, so deaf, boy, Wonder.
Daughter's name.

Speaker 5 Yep, got my daughter. I got to get enough.
I got more to go.

Speaker 5 I'm going to do my legs. Right.

Speaker 5 Porter, you say you was on lean bad. How did that happen? How did that habit start?

Speaker 5 That habit started just by being in hip-hop, being influenced, having people around, having easy access to it, no different than any other young star.

Speaker 5 Probably one of the worst things that I could have ever really got into without knowing the repercussion and consequences when dealing with something like that.

Speaker 5 You know, lean the double cup, the Star Fold Cup, to this day is still

Speaker 5 a monumental to hit. Oh, yeah, they still talking about it.
Oh, and every song, every, every, you see, that double cup is. You already know what it is.

Speaker 5 You already know what it is, but they don't tell you how deadly it is, though. See, I didn't know I never dealt with withdrawals and kickbacks until I don't have like an addictive personality.

Speaker 5 So I just put the cup down. Like, oh, I ain't got nothing all right, cool.
But I didn't know that my body, I was drinking so much promethazine that my body almost needed it.

Speaker 5 Yeah. So I'm like, yo, what is going on? I called my aunt one day.
I said, hey, Diddy, you need to check that ground turkey. She's like, what?

Speaker 5 I said them tacos you made was something wrong with the turkey? Like, did you check the date? Because, man, my stomach is doing something crazy. And it ain't like I got to go let it out neither.

Speaker 5 There's some whole other something going on on here, like it's like pain. Like, feel like a knife just cutting through my

Speaker 5 stomach. And she was like, No, why would I cook you some old ground turkey? I'm like, something ain't right.
And then, um,

Speaker 5 it wasn't, but that was me going through going through the dream. And I had no idea the worst feeling

Speaker 5 I've ever witnessed in my life. Like,

Speaker 5 if you thinking about stopping and you want to stop, stop.

Speaker 5 I'm telling you. Number one, it blows you up

Speaker 5 because it's thick. It just sits in your gut.
You know what I mean? You get constipated. So the weight is just sitting on you.
You get bigger and bigger.

Speaker 5 I've seen so many people quit lean and they look so healthy. Yes.
You know what I mean? And they talk. I know Paul Wall talks about it all the time.

Speaker 5 I just had him on stage with me at the Millennium Tour. He came out of Houston and looks amazing.

Speaker 5 Everybody who gets off of it looks amazing. And, you know, I said, I just got it.
I got it. I got to go through the process.
But I'll tell you what, I'll never pick up a cup again. It's over.

Speaker 5 Oh, I'm trying to stop this. Go, don't stop that.
We won't send you home with a bottle of men. Okay, I'm gonna take it too.

Speaker 5 I'm gonna take that.

Speaker 5 The Millennium Tour. Yeah, let's talk about it.
Let's talk about that. All right.

Speaker 5 Does it feel good to get back on stage and be in what you would consider your natural habitat?

Speaker 5 Yes.

Speaker 5 Yes. It's amazing.
Third one.

Speaker 5 First one went out in 2019. You come back with the second one.
I joined. We went a Billboard Music Award.

Speaker 5 They added the dog. We win the chip.

Speaker 5 You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 5 Second, following your we go out again. We run it up.
This time, sold out every night. It's crazy.

Speaker 5 It's crazy to watch these grown women, watch our fans who grew up with us to still be screaming and throwing bras and panties on the stage.

Speaker 5 Having these signs, bow, while you was my first crush. I mean, it's just so beautiful to see.

Speaker 5 Because it's, you know, I always say it's not supposed to happen. Because when you look at most child stars that started so young, they don't make it to this point.

Speaker 5 At some point, we supposed to be doing the tell all when it all went down and when it all fell down and it was over.

Speaker 5 I can't believe I'm 38 and I started professionally at five and I'm still going. 13 is when the world knew me.
Right.

Speaker 5 And I'm still here going, competing. New record out.

Speaker 5 Arena tour. I mean, I'm doing everything that.

Speaker 5 Bow Wow is supposed to be doing. And it's only the beginning.

Speaker 5 Trey songs on stage. If somebody ran on stage, Trey like,

Speaker 5 What's up with it? I'm going to tell you about this. This is funny.
No one knows this. I didn't share this with nobody.
That was in Greensboro, North Carolina. We're in Greensboro.
And

Speaker 5 I'm in my dressing room vibing. I just got off the stage.
I'm vibing.

Speaker 5 And I'm watching the show on the monitor backstage. And as I'm watching, I'm like, what is going on? I'm like, what the hell? And I'm watching what happens.

Speaker 5 As soon as Trey comes off the stage, this is exactly what he says. He comes off the stage.

Speaker 5 He comes right into my dressing room.

Speaker 5 Did you see that? No, first he said, shower. Come on.
We got to talk. We got to talk.
We got to talk. So we're in the back.
We're talking. Everybody comes back there.

Speaker 5 He's like, bro, did you see that right up on the stage? I said, yeah, bro. I said, when I saw it, I ran the hallway and was telling everybody.
You know what Trey tells me? What?

Speaker 5 I thought it was you.

Speaker 5 I said, what? He go, I said, Trey, I would never jump on your set. He's like, this, I know, but

Speaker 5 who else has that much energy, night in, night out,

Speaker 5 who bounces, runs on stage, left to right, jumping up on stuff every night, and who will have access to the stage?

Speaker 5 He said, Bro, for a quick minute, that's why when he jumped on me, I'm like, oh, hey,

Speaker 5 hey, hey, like a delayed reaction, like, hold up. He said, I thought it was you.
I died laughing. I said, man, I would never jump on your stage.
He said, just because of that,

Speaker 5 I'm definitely going to jump out on First Image one of these nights. I swear to God.
Watch. I said, come on with it, bro.
It's all good. But it was wild, man.
This tour has been wild.

Speaker 5 I think it's been so successful because I have a lot of good dance partners this time.

Speaker 5 Not saying that the last couple of tours I didn't have good dance partners, but when you got people who want to promote, want to post,

Speaker 5 the camaraderie is there. If Trey doesn't have a party and I have a hosting, he's coming to my party.

Speaker 5 If I don't got a bag to pick up tonight and I'm off, but Trey got a party, We swing to Trey party and go support him, but also have a good time. You know what I mean?

Speaker 5 And I think that that's what tour is about, the camaraderie. You got to be together.
You can't be no egos.

Speaker 5 And I think when you put up Lil' Boosie, somebody who's viral on his own, Plaz, viral on his own, Val, viral on his own. Trey, viral.

Speaker 5 We've all been going viral. I don't know if you saw the thing with me with

Speaker 5 the tequila in the club in Houston. I had to see.
Oh, that's hilarious. That was Brad Jane.
That's about that one. That was crazy.
What'd you do?

Speaker 5 It was a girl's birthday at my after party, and I had a bottle. And I was like, okay, honey, tell you need to take a shot.
Get right. When it came back,

Speaker 5 I had about that much tequila left in it. She drank it.
Oh, tore it down.

Speaker 5 She tore it down. And then gave it back to me.
And my reaction is what said the internet like crazy. Because I looked at it and I was like,

Speaker 5 damn. I said, damn, you're going to be my lip.
I'm like, damn.

Speaker 5 I was like, this is crazy. And she tore that down like some H2O.
Ooh. Yes, sir.
You and Soldier Boy had a beef.

Speaker 5 And now you mentioned about on MSG that he came out and you end up falling on him and you guys are past that relationship. How were you able to get past that?

Speaker 5 Because when you young, you do a lot of dumb stuff. We never have beef.
Beef is serious. That's like the street, right?

Speaker 5 We were racing on whose Lambo is the fastest.

Speaker 5 I got a Mercia Lago. Mine is $300,000 more.
You got the Galard.

Speaker 5 Shit. It's bull.
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 5 And we look at it now. We laugh.
We get money together. We do shows together.

Speaker 5 We have a show in the works together as we speak. I like that.
That's my dog, man. I just feel like life is too short.
I learned that from Snoop. I watched Snoop

Speaker 5 fix so many relationships with people that he had real issues with. You know what I mean? I'm like, if Snoop can overcome that,

Speaker 5 I can too.

Speaker 5 I love life. I love going outside.
I love going into these cities where they say, be careful. I'd be like this.

Speaker 5 You should tell that to that other before they come in town. I ain't got to worry nothing about...
But nothing but screaming women chasing me. I'm cool.
I love life. I don't want to beef with nobody.

Speaker 5 I don't want to. And I ain't giving up that kind of vibe.
I ain't giving off that vibe. I'm the vibe vibe where everybody wants to be around.
He's the ladies, man. He got the vibes.
He's safe.

Speaker 5 He's fun. He's going to curate the energy.
And that's who I want to be. I want to be the ball of light that everybody can come to.
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 5 I love watching people have fun. I love watching people smile.
That's my thing. I love to do that.
You know what I mean? So,

Speaker 5 yeah.

Speaker 5 Your catalog. Would you ever sell your catalog?

Speaker 5 If the money was right.

Speaker 5 If the money was right. You get up off it and make a how much we talking? 100 mil.
They can have it tomorrow. They can have it today.

Speaker 5 Today. And I'm going to make sure they

Speaker 5 set up a business in Nevada or Jersey.

Speaker 5 Just get that taxes on that money. Oh, yeah.
I want all of it. I want every Florida too.

Speaker 5 I know the stage. You do too.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Yeah. Yeah.
What are your thoughts on streaming? Because I've heard some people say, oh, I make a bag during streaming. I heard some people say, man, I ain't getting but 30,000, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I'm not making no money. What are your thoughts on streaming? Nah, if you can curate them streams and people are staying like, nah, that's what I say, there's money behind it.
Really? Oh, yeah.

Speaker 5 You're talking about

Speaker 5 thinking about this. Even with just YouTube and different things, just monetizing the things that cats are into.
These are monthly checks that go out. Yeah.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 5 So if a kid is on distro courting and he's looking at his numbers, you can see how much money you make. And it's going to tell you the date where it's going out, where it's going to hit your account.

Speaker 5 So if you don't ran up, got a whole bunch of streams, TikTok blown up, got a hit. You imagine being 16, 17 years old, and it says $788,000 about to come to your account tomorrow?

Speaker 5 All because of a song you know did in your mama's bed, like in your bedroom in your mama's, right?

Speaker 5 You good. What? And to collect that dough every month,

Speaker 5 or even if you stream live and the hits when people be dropping them, that stuff be adding up. It can get crazy.

Speaker 5 There's some guys around that probably make a million dollars a month just off of streaming and doing what they do. No cap.
Wow.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Anything you want to promote? Your tour, merchant, merch. Yeah, yeah.
Just adding your restaurant. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Prime. I got to get you.
You a cigar guy? I'm not, but I come support.

Speaker 5 But you like that Brown? Yeah. We got, oh, yeah, we can, we can get that.
I'm like, got to bring you the Prime cigar one time. It's very elegant, classy.
Felt like Atlanta needed a vibe like that.

Speaker 5 Shout out to my boy JV. He's kind of put me on the team with him.
Just, you know what I mean, helping him out and just curating the vibes. And, you know, I mean,

Speaker 5 that's the spot right there. We got three in Atlanta.
Prime Express, Prime Cigar, and of course, Prime on Peace Tree. That's the dinner spot.

Speaker 5 That's going to be more of your lobster, your steaks, and things. You can get fly and take your little friend up to there.
You're You're going to like that drawing. I like that.

Speaker 5 And then, of course, we got the hairline, the men's hairline, killing them still, number one, with Red Bot Kiss, with the do-racks, and all the men's accessories, the brushes, the Twist King brush, and just expect more movies.

Speaker 5 Brand new record, me and Brown heating up, just getting started on that. The video is coming, about to shoot that, end of the month.
So, yeah, man, business is booming, man.

Speaker 5 I'm excited. I really am excited for this year and next year, too.

Speaker 5 I just don't know what's going to happen, but I know God got me, and the energy that I'm feeling from Him is: I just need you to be ready.

Speaker 5 This is your year, and

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