Nightcap Draft Recap - Part 2: Shedeur Sanders Drafted by Browns + Abdul Carter joins

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Speaker 4 The volume.

Speaker 4 Shadur Sanders is drafted. 144 in the fifth round.
The Browns traded up to select him. All these anonymous reports are coming out about Shadur having bad interviews, especially with the Giants.

Speaker 4 According to Todd McShea, Shadur completely bombed his interview with the Giants. He didn't have a great interview with head coach Brian Dayball.
The preparation wasn't there.

Speaker 4 For an install package, Dayball called him out and Sanders didn't like it. Dayball has gone 8-26 over the past two seasons.

Speaker 4 So he probably knows a thing or two about being unprepared, to be honest with you. I mean, you go 8-26.
You go 8-26 being unprepared.

Speaker 4 You'll know an unprepared person when you see one, considering over the last two years, that's kind of exactly what you've been.

Speaker 4 And then there's been reports of him having a big entourage because his brother shoots videos of him being in family.

Speaker 4 He's with his brother and his family. No drinking, no drugs, no controversy, just living his life.

Speaker 4 Ocho, this is, I'm going to start with you first. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Hear that he didn't do well in the interview. Yeah.
He didn't hit it off with Coach Dayball.

Speaker 4 And seemed like he was unprepared.

Speaker 4 Didn't like the entourage. Okay, go ahead.
Right.

Speaker 4 right i i don't believe it huh i don't believe it because every single nfl player every single when i say every single i mean every single has an entourage most of the entourages is family in friends if there's not family in friends it's friends that you grew up with right everybody has that so i'm not sure why that even came into play and we talk about everybody regardless of race regardless of

Speaker 4 ethnicity it doesn't matter So that's one thing. Interview.
Interview goes bad. Unprepared.

Speaker 4 Now, I think I'm thinking about a son of one of the greatest players of all time who's always been prepared and coached and having tutelage

Speaker 4 from one of the best of all time. And for some reason, all of a sudden, he wasn't prepared for an interview when it comes to the game of football in which he's the quarterback.

Speaker 4 Again, that's something else that's not believable. Now, you know, media, media can

Speaker 4 screw things and report things that obviously aren't true.

Speaker 4 Bingo. Forget that.

Speaker 4 So he drops to the Cleveland Browns.

Speaker 4 Round five, what, pick 144? What was it, 145? 144.

Speaker 4 I'm not even tripping at this point. I'm not even tripping at this point because Prime obviously is prepared, should do it for any and everything, dealing with media, dealing with

Speaker 4 those that doubt you. So I'm just happy he has this opportunity because what's happening in this scenario, in this situation, in which I still believe is collusion, I'm not talking about race.

Speaker 4 I'm not talking about race at all.

Speaker 4 I'm just saying a collective collusion against Brother Sanders and all the things. And then just the hype.
And listen, the machine, again, I said it last night. I said it last night.
We have choices.

Speaker 4 People choose what they want to see. I said it yesterday.
I'm not talking about race at all. One thing for sure, the machine is undefeated and will always remain undefeated.

Speaker 4 Anytime it feels not really threatened, but there's another

Speaker 4 name or family that thinks they can come in and do things their way.

Speaker 4 They'll humble you. And this was an example of it, an example of it that we've never, ever, ever seen before to this magnitude.
We've never seen anything like this.

Speaker 4 I'm happy for Shador. I'm happy for Shiloh.
And for Shador Sanders getting the opportunity to play for the Cleveland Browns, his situation is simple as put.

Speaker 4 It's delayed, but it's not denied. It's not about where you go.
It's what you do once you get there. So now you know what you need to do.
The Browns haven't had a quarterback.

Speaker 4 They haven't had a quarterback, a sufficient quarterback, a consistent quarterback for Bernie Colzar.

Speaker 4 Okay, Rivs and Bernie for a very long time. This might be their calling.
This might be their lesson. This might be his lesson, even going there.
So I'm happy for him.

Speaker 4 He's going to do what's necessary. I'm sure he had the chip on his shoulder.
And I'm excited. Because in that AFC North, You know, it runs through Cincinnati.

Speaker 4 And the only way you're going to get it done is if you got a quarterback.

Speaker 4 I just had to add a little piece in there. I saw that.
I saw you throw that in there. What did you think of Juan?

Speaker 4 Honestly, man, guys, to be honest with you, I mean, I feel for them. Obviously, you know, you work so hard and it's tough when you project to go first round.

Speaker 4 I had a situation once. It's not obviously not the same because basketball is totally different as far as the number of people that get picked.

Speaker 4 But I was with my best friend, Nazi Muhammad, was supposed to be picked lottery when he came out. And Nas slid to 29 and just sitting there.

Speaker 4 Obviously, it was nothing like Shadu, where you had to actually wait a whole nother day to get drafted.

Speaker 4 But just to see him slide, huh? You waited two days. He got drafted today.
Yeah, we had to draft Thursday.

Speaker 4 Wait two days. So it's different.
But I think like this, to be honest with you,

Speaker 4 I think you have to play the game, Shannon, to be honest with you. I think if he would have,

Speaker 4 I'm just going to play the game till I get drafted.

Speaker 4 Whatever that would have been, whatever, and I think sometimes that's what not, and I'm not sure this. And you guys could correct me if I'm wrong, because it seemed like I never seen the agent.

Speaker 4 And obviously, I'm watching from afar. I'm watching off TV on social media.

Speaker 4 Do we have an agent?

Speaker 4 I don't know.

Speaker 4 I bet Shiloh made a joke talking about our dad was our agent, and we might need to hire a new agent. Okay,

Speaker 4 right. I don't know.
Because I think you know how this is. Sometimes you have an agent.
He can tell you the truth behind closed doors of what they're actually saying and what you need to work on.

Speaker 4 So by Dion being the dad, he probably not really hearing everything. They probably can't tell him.
So he's not hearing everything that they're saying. So I think that was probably one mistake.

Speaker 4 And I don't know if he had an agent or not. So if the agent, to kind of buffer that, to talk to him and kind of figure it out.

Speaker 4 But you got to figure this thing out, man. I think one thing about it, it was about interview.
I don't think a skill set. I mean, put the numbers up.
The numbers speak for themselves.

Speaker 4 He had the numbers. So we got to look at some of the stuff.
I mean, I worked out for nine teams when I came out. I interviewed with nine teams.
So you got to go through that process.

Speaker 4 I'm not sure how he interviewed. Maybe that was a little sketchy.

Speaker 4 That can rub some GMs and the Zex the wrong way. You know, sometimes if you don't interview well,

Speaker 4 maybe the swagger, what he's coming with, great family, family dynamics, his family's going to support him.

Speaker 4 Obviously, he has a certain swag, a certain order he carries with him, which we all love. And we just talked about that.

Speaker 4 We like that.

Speaker 4 All three of us talk trash. We all celebrated.

Speaker 4 We all all have fun so we know that so that's not the problem we brought our own style so that wasn't the problem with them i just felt like they didn't play the game that everybody else played and they wanted to show them

Speaker 4 that look it's still the nfl we still run this

Speaker 4 you still got to go through this proper pecking order and i think that's what it was that's what it looks like you can't look at his if you look at his numbers the scale of them the guys that got picked before him all this stuff it doesn't make sense right so it's got to be something behind the scenes it's yeah it can't be football ability it has to be something behind the scenes that's why i said if he had an agent maybe somebody that could hear the noise because he probably didn't hear the real noise correct you know what i mean we we on tv watching all the analysts and everybody but you know y'all purview so much information y'all only purview so much we're not hearing that real noise you know what i mean so that's what and sometimes your agent gets that for you to kind of help you out and maybe help you get your act together that's why i really wanted to know if he had an agent but then you know the funny thing about it, Tuan, even, even at that point, you are who you are.

Speaker 4 Shador is who he is. The Sanders family, they are who they are.

Speaker 4 That's it. And they've always been unapologetically themselves.
And that rubs a lot of people wrong. A lot of people don't like that, including some of those in the NFL.

Speaker 4 Some of the things that Deion has said in the past, they probably didn't like.

Speaker 4 They probably didn't like it. You know, he wanted to pull an

Speaker 4 Archie Manning. He wanted to pull, you know, with Eli, that probably, they probably probably didn't like it.
They quoting tweets that he said a long time ago. And I know, let me tell you why.

Speaker 4 I know this is all collusion. You know, I think about some, like,

Speaker 4 going, you know what? I'm not even going to bring that up. I'm not going to bring it up.
I'm happy he got where he needed to go.

Speaker 4 This is exactly where we're supposed to land because I guarantee you, watch it be a blessing in disguise. And them never having a quarterback.

Speaker 4 And all of a sudden, for some reason, Shador being the answer for the next decade. Hope you're right.
Watch out. Could Can I ask you guys something?

Speaker 4 I'm a basketball guy. I want to ask you something, Chad.
You can ask this because you're talking right now. Can you answer this? Is the Cleveland the right fit for him?

Speaker 4 Because sometimes, let's disregard what number he went.

Speaker 4 Did he go to a good situation where he can actually be able to showcase himself and have a real opportunity to be a starting quarterback in the NFL? Do you guys like that situation?

Speaker 4 If the GM and the owners are competent when his time comes to be able to compete for a starting job,

Speaker 4 if they continue to build around him,

Speaker 4 yes, it's the right place.

Speaker 4 If they continue to do right by the quarterback position, like other teams are doing, like they do for the Mahomes and they do for the Jalen Hurts and they do for, you know, the other quarterbacks, the Jaden Daniels, as you continue to put the pieces to the puzzle around him, while you have a quarterback on a very, very

Speaker 4 cheap, I hate using that word cheap, but you know, a very affordable contract. Rookie contract.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I think he's in the right place. But if they do what they've always done for a very long time, where they've been through 276,000 quarterbacks, then it would be the same.

Speaker 4 The same process would repeat itself. They had Baker Mayfield.
He had the number one pick. There was nothing wrong with Baker Mayfield because look what he's doing in Tampa Bay.

Speaker 4 So that tells you where the problem lies, that the problem lies with Cleveland internally.

Speaker 4 Now you got opportunity again.

Speaker 4 Let's not F it up. Yeah, I do.
I love when quarterbacks, young quarterbacks come in and have an unbelievable support system.

Speaker 4 Hopefully you have somebody that can, that's really smart schematically, knows how to diagram plays Ocho, knows how to put quarterbacks in the right situation. You have a decent running back.

Speaker 4 I'm not saying you need Saquon. I mean, although that would be nice to have a Saquon Barkley and a Derrick Henry on a rookie quarterback, but you need quality receivers.
You see C.J.

Speaker 4 Stroud where he went and had success. Look at the receiving cord that that he had.
You look at Jaden Daniels. Look at the receiving cord that he had.

Speaker 4 The question is, are there enough pieces around any quarterback, regardless if it's a rookie or not, is there enough pieces around him so he can adequately do what he needs to get done?

Speaker 4 I think Stefanowski is an unbelievable coach. He's a coach of the year.
He knows how to call plays. He knows how to scheme plays.

Speaker 4 And so now this just comes down to, okay, when you get your opportunity, you got to shine. You got to prepare like there's no tomorrow because that's already out there, Ocho.

Speaker 4 You see what they're said? He was unprepared. You see what they did, Ocho?

Speaker 4 See, we already put that out there on you now. Hey, that's the game, huh? They're going to play the game.

Speaker 4 They're going to play the game. There's only one way you can beat the game, huh? That's in between the lines.
Yeah. No matter what to say, it blocks out all the noise.

Speaker 4 You can only beat the game in between the lines. That's it.
No matter what they say.

Speaker 4 But I will say this, Ocho. I don't know if they're going to allow Bucky.
to go in and film everything that Shadur is doing. That's over.

Speaker 4 That's over. Now, when you're at Colorado and your dad's the head coat they're gonna allow that that's over with now

Speaker 4 yeah i mean they understand that but i thought he was the i thought i thought he was the video guy i thought he's the video guy no you can't you ain't gonna have no no personal video guy

Speaker 4 you can yeah you can you can't yeah you can't do that now once you once you enter that building once you on grounds in that facility all that all that's done yeah and so uh uh yeah and so that's that's

Speaker 4 having an entourage yeah i i don't and like i said i don't know

Speaker 4 i don't know if he went to the building and they tried to go in the meeting rooms and Bucky was trying to capture content. He doesn't have an agent because Time's agent was Eugene Parker.

Speaker 4 Rest his soul. Eugene passed away several years ago.
And so

Speaker 4 I'm sure Time will probably interview somebody now. And

Speaker 4 I agree with you, Tuan, probably. And that's the thing.
Because you have an agent and they hear things and they can tell you things.

Speaker 4 Now, they're going to, all the really, really bad stuff, they ain't going to share that with you because they don't want to mess with you mentally.

Speaker 4 But they'll share enough of stuff with you so you get the picture and get a great understanding of what's actually going on. So,

Speaker 4 go ahead.

Speaker 4 If I'm not mistaken, I said, you know, obviously my agent was obviously when I first got in the league with Jerome Stanley, phenomenal dude, did really well for me.

Speaker 4 You know, on the back end of my career, from the middle on the back end, it was Drew Rosenhaus. And if I'm not mistaken, I saw Drew Rosenhaus post for Shiloh Sanders once he got drafted.

Speaker 4 So I'm assuming Drew Rosenhaus must be representing Shiloh. I'm not sure if he represents Shadur, though.
Right. I get it.
Because, okay, the Brian's the current quarterback room.

Speaker 4 Deshaun Watson, Joe Flacco, Kenny Pickett, Dylan Gabriel, Shadur Sanders. Deshaun Watson, starter.
Flacco is a vet. If Deshaun can't go, you got Kenny Pickett, the backup.
Dylan Gabriel, rookie.

Speaker 4 Shadur, rookie. Phil.

Speaker 4 What's going on? I mean, damn.

Speaker 4 What's really going on? What's really going on, Ojo?

Speaker 4 Hey,

Speaker 4 I like to compete. I ain't got no problem with it I like to compete who I need to beat out I love Kenny Pickett

Speaker 4 I don't know how you beat a Deshaun out when he got another 48 got 38 million dollars this year and another 40 million next year how you beat him out

Speaker 4 and he not Deshaun not playing this year okay he's not gonna play this year okay so now you got

Speaker 4 Achilles Achilles Achilles Achilles yeah so listen I'm yeah yeah yeah okay

Speaker 4 I'm gonna tell you how it's gonna play out

Speaker 4 I love Kenny Pickett I love Kenny Pickett. I love that, that, you know, Brother Gabriel.

Speaker 4 But Shador,

Speaker 4 if he does what he's supposed to do,

Speaker 4 you know, we've seen Kenny Pickett already. We haven't seen Dylan Gabriel yet.
But I'm just saying, I know probably Flacco is going to start. He's going to start.

Speaker 4 At some point, Shador is going to get a shot.

Speaker 4 At some point, he's going to get that shot.

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Speaker 4 And when the door opens.

Speaker 4 Let me ask both of you guys. Let me ask both of you guys this.

Speaker 4 Why would Cleveland do that? Why would Cleveland want a quarterback when we're five guys? Does that bring up a, does that mean anything?

Speaker 4 Are they picking him up?

Speaker 4 Yeah. They won't pick a three.

Speaker 4 Oh, okay.

Speaker 4 Because Deshaun, Deshaun, Deshaun is not playing this shit. I don't keep forgetting he's not playing.
He's not playing till like January or February or something like that. You're right.
I forgot.

Speaker 4 Yeah, but you might as well just go ahead and, you know, put him on IR and go ahead and let that go.

Speaker 4 What I don't get, Cleveland, at some point in time, y'all got to stop trading back. Y'all could have had Julio Jones.
You traded back.

Speaker 4 You could have had Travis Hunter and

Speaker 4 Shadour and you traded back. At some point in time, when guys are sitting there waiting for you to take them, take them.

Speaker 4 Right.

Speaker 4 Take them. It's okay.

Speaker 4 But I guess they're looking at it like we're more than one player away,

Speaker 4 but sometimes that player can help change things around.

Speaker 4 I don't get it. I don't get what they're doing

Speaker 4 with this situation.

Speaker 4 Like you said, Twan, he had an unbelievable college career. He played well at Jackson State.
And then they said, well, that's Jackson State. That's why you're doing that.

Speaker 4 He goes to Colorado, he puts up some exceptional numbers,

Speaker 4 you know, great completion percentage. He throws guys open.
No, he's not the most athletic guy, but he's not a decathlete.

Speaker 4 He don't need to high jump, long jump, pole vault, shot, put, hurdle, hundred, four hundred, fifteen hundred. He don't need to do all that.

Speaker 4 All he needs to do, can he take three? Can he drop back five? Can he zone read?

Speaker 4 Can he do the stuff? Can he process information in a hurry? Yeah. That's what a quarterback needs.
He needs to be confident. He needs to be able to process information in a hurry.

Speaker 4 And he needs to be able to retain information.

Speaker 4 I mean,

Speaker 4 he's shown you he can do that ever since he's, I mean, from middle school to high school to college. So let's see if that's transferable.

Speaker 4 I like to think, I like to think that it is, but you don't know. Tuan, you know this.
Same thing with all sports.

Speaker 4 You don't know what you have in a guy until you get him in your building and put him in your uniform. That's when you 100% know for certain what the hell I got.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 Because all this other stuff, well, where he won this award and he did all this and he did all of that and i've seen it having played in the nfl guys come in and have all these credentials and i like i don't know how they hey somebody gave you a fake passport because i don't know how you get all i don't know how you get all that

Speaker 4 let me ask you guys in football is it about the number or is it more about the fit

Speaker 4 fit it's always gonna be fit

Speaker 4 It's always gonna be fit.

Speaker 4 Always.

Speaker 4 Do you guys think this?

Speaker 4 So if you had the great this fit what would you guys go right now i know you got to go compete

Speaker 4 i like new orleans and you had a great

Speaker 4 i would have liked new orleans a little better i would like new orleans better too but

Speaker 4 the thing is now because toad i was telling no

Speaker 4 uh uh last night is that i went to a team i was a big wide receiver i went to one of the three teams that had the h-back position uh washington had the h-back position the broncos had the h-back position and uh uh the Chargers, San Diego, they were in San Diego then, had the H-back position.

Speaker 4 Every tight end on the roster got hurt. I'm the biggest receiver.
Coach Reese come, hey, would you be willing to move the H-back? I'm going to catch the ball.

Speaker 4 Yeah, if you throw me, if you learn to play, it's okay.

Speaker 4 So now, here I am, a big wide receiver. Imagine I don't go to a team that has the H-back position.
So I switch midway through like a third of the way.

Speaker 4 I have that, probably like week eight, week nine, week 10. They move me to like like tight end

Speaker 4 ta-da and the rest of that they say history so it's absolutely

Speaker 4 where you go not a lot i get it because a lot of times uh uh twan you know this first four or five picks they get a boatload of money now you want to make a boatload of money for a short period of time or an extended period of time because i had a 14 year career there are a lot of guys that went in the first round ojo they made money for a three four year period i made money for a 14 year period it's not how much money you make is how long you make money, and then what you're going to do.

Speaker 4 It's not how much money you make, it's how much you keep. So it's absolutely Twan fit where you go.
That's fit

Speaker 4 and what they do for you while you're there.

Speaker 4 It's better for him too, though. He got, and he's made a little money, and then I love space too.
So, yeah, yeah, he's made a little money.

Speaker 4 Had he known what he knowed, he'd have stayed in college and made some more NIL money. He's like, Hell, if y'all gonna take me to the field round,

Speaker 4 he made more NIL and what his rookie contract is gonna be your show.

Speaker 4 Yeah, yeah, oh, wow, that is right wow yeah listen i i think i think the situation in general is good for him um

Speaker 4 it get it puts a chip on the show yeah oh this is this is how you feel about me okay bet hold my beer i got this watch me i've done listen i've faced adversity before i've had the hurdle obstacles before this and just another one that's in the way i'm going to show you i'm going to prove to you that i'm worthy of doing all the things you said i can oh you feel i'm a fifth round pick i mean mean, I'm a fifth rounder.

Speaker 4 Okay, bet.

Speaker 4 I'm not tripping. The Jaguars are 100% committed to Travis Harder, letting him play wide receiver and corner.
They told him, you got a bold vision and we got a bold vision for you. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Ocho?

Speaker 4 Yeah. What you thinking? I like what you mean what I'm thinking.
I'm thinking Duval, man, I like it. I like it.

Speaker 4 And listen, he said, he said it not only during the interview process, allowing him to do what he has dreamed of and been working on the entirety of his career so far.

Speaker 4 I mean, far as collegiate-wise, he said he has a belief and believes.

Speaker 4 He believes that's the one thing that you need in anything that you do, regardless of whether it's the corporate world or whether it's sports.

Speaker 4 If I believe I can do it, I can achieve it. You and I, we have different beliefs on whether you can do it at this level, but we're going to find out now.

Speaker 4 We're going to find out if he can play both sides of the ball. I like the fact that the owners, the GMs, and everyone else inside

Speaker 4 that locker room are going to allow him to do exactly what he did in college. To what extent, I'm not sure.
Right. To what extent, I'm not sure.

Speaker 4 I think they gave a brief, a brief press conference on ways they can figure out on how to do it. I'm just excited, man, man.
I'm happy for Trav. I'm happy for the Jaguars.

Speaker 4 I'm happy for the fans in that city, especially the city itself, man. They got a good one.
He's going to put some butts in the seats and he's going to make it exciting for the next decade.

Speaker 4 I got a question for you guys. Just, you know, as football guys, just honestly,

Speaker 4 if you guys know how talented he is and how good he is which one he's best at

Speaker 4 which one do you think he could be the which one do you think he could be great at i know you don't want it's hard to pick one side but i'm pretty sure he's better than one side than the other than me i look i

Speaker 4 i like him at dv i do too yeah i like i think he has incredible instincts i think his instincts are crazy the way he can see and his recognition to see this and diagnose it and that's what the really great corners can do, Tuan, is that they can see a formation, they'll see a split, and they'll know automatically what's coming.

Speaker 4 So

Speaker 4 I look at this split. I look at these two receivers over here.
I might take a glance over there. I go, okay, I got something for y'all.

Speaker 4 Run it if you want to.

Speaker 4 Run it if you want to. Try to run B off deep and try to run this sam right in behind it and watch what I do to it.

Speaker 4 Yeah,

Speaker 4 I think he has unbelievable instincts, unbelievable recognition. And you build a package

Speaker 4 around him.

Speaker 4 And Ocho, remember, we talked about Brian Thomas Jr.

Speaker 4 There. He's a lot better than Brian Thomas Jr.

Speaker 4 No, no, no, no. He's not.
No, no, no, no. He's penalty.
Brian Thomas Jr. is he that guy.

Speaker 4 Listen, Brian Ty, hey, Antoine, Brian Thomas Jr. is one of those receivers that will probably be a top five receiver.
Maybe, maybe after this year, he's that good. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Out of LSU when you already know what LSU produces. Yeah.

Speaker 4 He wanted them ones. Well, he's probably going to be third down instead of packages, right?

Speaker 4 Let's see, that's but see, people, when Ocho and I, we try to explain to people, yeah, build a package.

Speaker 4 You know, you have a third down package or you have a specialty package, a group of plays that you feel comfortable with him. Maybe it's in the red zone.

Speaker 4 Maybe it's in certain areas of the field, certain situations. But people are like, no, just let him play as much as he wants to play.

Speaker 4 No, no, no.

Speaker 4 Okay.

Speaker 4 You can't run him into the ground.

Speaker 4 You want him to play and make sure he's efficient on both sides of the the ball. Yes.
You want him to be efficient?

Speaker 4 Can he handle that physicality? Is his body makeup ready for that physicality?

Speaker 4 There's the mental approach because you got to study.

Speaker 4 I mean, like I said, okay, we say one thing, Ocho, about rock recognition as a DB, but you have to understand also, you have to understand coverages from a wide receiver perspective. Right.

Speaker 4 You have to understand. So let's just say for the sake of argument, you play in Miami.
Okay, you guard Tyreek for 12, 8, 8, 12, 10, 12 plays. And now you got to go up against Jalen Ramsey.

Speaker 4 Okay.

Speaker 4 You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 4 You guard Zay Flowers and you guard Bashar Bateman. And then you got to go up against Marlon Humphrey and Wiggins.
So, you know,

Speaker 4 you got to be, because you look, there are very few teams in college that had an elite corner and a elite DB.

Speaker 4 You're going to get it every week now. You get it every week.

Speaker 4 Even if the guys aren't certain,

Speaker 4 they're really good. So now you got

Speaker 4 Nico,

Speaker 4 and now you got Daryl Stingley, and you got Stingley.

Speaker 4 Ooh. Ooh, that's a nasty concept.

Speaker 4 I understand what you're saying. Yeah, I see what you're saying.
Yeah,

Speaker 4 ain't no nights off. No worries.

Speaker 4 Ain't no Sundays off. Sundays.
No Sunday and Mondays. Pocho, Joe.
Warren Moon personally unretired the number one for Cam Ward, Pro Football Hall of Famer.

Speaker 4 Warren Moon, currently the only black quarterback in the Pro Football Hall of Fame, gave up his number famous number one,

Speaker 4 gave his blessing and allowed Cam Ward to wear the jersey previously retired by the Titans, recently said it would consider giving this blessing to Ward to wear the digit.

Speaker 4 I'm thinking about it, said Moon would ask if he would allow permission to give Ward the number to Ward.

Speaker 4 Should Warren have felt pressure to do this on Joe?

Speaker 4 I wouldn't say pressure, but Cam Ward is special. Cam Ward is a special player.
He's obviously

Speaker 4 coming to the Titans. And why not continue that legacy? Why not continue that legacy that Warren Woon set

Speaker 4 when he was there and allowed Cam to carry that torch on, you know, wearing the number one as a new franchise quarterback, hopefully for the next decade or so?

Speaker 4 I like it. It's a dope move.
It's a dope move.

Speaker 4 I wonder if Cam even knew. You think Cam knew? Yeah, hell yeah.
Okay, okay. That would have been a dope surprise.

Speaker 4 But let me ask you this i want to ask joe joe you got your number retired somebody come in and they want to wear that they want to wear joe they want to wear that what you doing joe yeah i'm i'm doing it on if it's special you know i mean he's number one pick he's been wearing a number one

Speaker 4 uh you know shout out to og for you know taking out the rafters letting letting young boy uh take off with it yeah i ain't i mean i don't i don't got ego when it comes to that hold on hold on unc and joe we ain't just giving anybody that number.

Speaker 4 You got to be that boy. Yeah.

Speaker 4 And Cam Ward is that boy. So it's understandable.
That's someone, you know what?

Speaker 4 Majority number retired. But for him,

Speaker 4 oh, yeah, I'm good.

Speaker 4 I've relinquished that. Absolutely.
Joe, you had several numbers. Were you always seven, Joe? No, man.
I wore number four. You weren't seven in Phoenix.
Nah, I wore it. Look, I wore,

Speaker 4 I just, I just got seven when I got to Brooklyn, but coming up like like through junior high, high school, and college, I wore number 24.

Speaker 4 So when I got to the pros, I got drafted by Boston. They ain't got no numbers.
Yeah, every number, they got big numbers. 44, 55.

Speaker 4 You can't get no single-digit number. 24 out of the question.
Man, they got so many numbers retired. So look, the only number they had that I could get was 31.
So I rocked with 31.

Speaker 4 Yeah, you had Cornbread Maxwell Jersey. Yeah, it's my guy, Cornbread.
Hey, look, I'm in the Rafters out there at Boston, man. 31.

Speaker 4 When I get traded to Phoenix, I'm trying to get 24, but I'm playing with Tom Gugliata. Tom Gugliata got 24, so I ain't even asked for that 2-4.
You can go and keep it right.

Speaker 4 I'm just gonna roll with this too. So I've been rocking with number two

Speaker 4 all the way through Atlanta. And then when I got to Brooklyn, I just changed it up and went to seven.

Speaker 4 Okay. Yeah.

Speaker 4 I'm like, damn, Joe Joe had about, hey, they couldn't find Joe. They're like, what Joe? Joe, you're like, you double? 24, 31.

Speaker 4 Right. Hey, listen, man.
I wanted one of them single digits in Boston. But I'm like, hey, when we get drafted, I'm like, okay, what number can I get? Can I get number 24?

Speaker 4 They start showing me all the numbers that was retired. I'm like, oh, no, they got K

Speaker 4 Jones, Casey Jones, Heinzon, Russell, Bird, Dennis Johnson.

Speaker 4 They got Bob Coozy. They got Bill Sharman.

Speaker 4 Hey, look, they didn't retire so many numbers. Hey, I said, man, they got double zero, retired.
They got what you call it, retired. They got

Speaker 4 Kevin McHale.

Speaker 4 cars.

Speaker 4 Yeah, they got double zero, 32, 33. I think Dennis Johnson, I think DJ was three,

Speaker 4 yeah, he was

Speaker 4 yeah, they got DJ, yeah, they got DJ retired, they got Sam Jones, Casey Jones, Hamlin Check, Cowins.

Speaker 4 Anytime y'all going to Boston Arena, y'all look up in the raptors. 31 up there, baby.
That's ice old joke, baby. Let me get for you.
We sharing that thing. That's my man.
You already know.

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Speaker 4 All right. Man,

Speaker 4 what was it like in the green room waiting that call? Did you have an idea that it could possibly be the Giants? Yeah, I definitely had a good feeling.

Speaker 4 I usually trust my gut. My gut said in New York, my parents wanted him to go to New York, so I'm a New York Giant.

Speaker 4 This, you had a journey. You wanted to go play college football.
That was your dream. Probably Penn State was your dream, your dream college situation.
Now it's a different journey.

Speaker 4 Your journey to get here. Now the journey starts all over again to be great here.

Speaker 4 What has prepared you for this moment? Yeah, I don't have to start with my dad, just him training me my whole life, teaching me everything I know.

Speaker 4 All the work I put in, all the sacrifices they made for me. And now it all starts again.
I'm back to work, backgrounded.

Speaker 4 I'm ready to get started i like that i i got you i think about rookie year coming in setting short-term goals what would your short term your short-term goals be coming in to be a new giant what do you what would you set so far i haven't written anything down yet but i'm definitely gonna get some goals i want to accomplish um i'm usually like i'm big on that writing on my goals chasing them but i'm definitely gonna think about some things tonight you go to the giants giants always had really good defenses kayvon thibodeau on one side you got big lawrence in the middle that you on the other side have you thought about what it's going to be like that front four that front seven trying to attack the quarterbacks in that division you got the washington commanders you got jalen hurts the super bowl defending champ giants with saquor and barkley and those talented wide receivers out there and you got the dallas cowboys dak prescott ceede lamb jerry says he has some trades up his sleeve we haven't seen it yet what have you thought about what your defense is going to look like when you go out there your first otas coming up Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 4 But first, I just want to meet those guys, get to know them as men, develop a relationship as a a teammate. And once I do that, we're going to hit the field.
Let's create havoc.

Speaker 4 You do realize now, you're following the guy, you wore that number 11. You got to be a hair raiser.
You put that jersey on in Penn State for a reason.

Speaker 4 Now, the last guy that came out of Penn State that wore that jersey, he was a defensive rookie of the year.

Speaker 4 Have you said, you know, I'm sure you guys have a healthy competition like, hey, you got it, I'm going to get it too. Yeah.

Speaker 4 So what's your expectation?

Speaker 4 That award is, would you like to, obviously you'd like to win it, but have you thought that far in advance what it would mean for you to go out there and have that type of season?

Speaker 4 If I do everything I'm supposed to do, pick the work in first, all that's going to come later. You're going to take it out of itself.
Yeah, we're good at the year.

Speaker 4 I want to be all, I want to do it all, but at the end of the day, my man go, I want to win. It's going to help my team win.
Has it sunk in yet?

Speaker 4 It hasn't sunk in yet. Yeah, for sure or not.
Not yet.

Speaker 4 It's going to hit you. Yeah, for sure.
It's going to hit you.

Speaker 4 When you were a kid, you say your dad has trained you your whole life, and you trained a lifetime. You prepared a lifetime for this moment.

Speaker 4 So you're sitting back there you know you're going early you just don't know where you're going it could be cleveland it could be the giants you don't know but you know i'm going early it's not gonna be alone hey mom hey don't worry about it guys we're gonna be out here in 20 minutes i promise you 20 30 tops i might not be 20 but 30 tops and we done

Speaker 4 yeah they was more nervous than me but i i had i had a pretty good feeling where i was gonna go so right i'm happy to be a new york giant go big blue

Speaker 4 that's dope that's dope so now you get you uh obviously you're headed up there as soon as you as soon as you leave us.

Speaker 4 You're going to head up there, go around and meet the coaching staff, you know, meet the ownership, meet general manager. Probably, I don't know how long you're going to be up there.

Speaker 4 You're going to look for a place while you're up there or you're going to have that kind of time?

Speaker 4 Yeah, we're going to have to figure all that out, but I really just want to go back, celebrate with my parents, my mom, my dad, get them another hug. Let's celebrate this moment.

Speaker 4 When you get back home, where are you from? I'm from Philly. Oh, you're off.

Speaker 4 Right now. I'm all in New York, though.
I'm all in New York.

Speaker 4 When you get back home home in Philly, all your family, friends, and loved ones that have known Abdul Carter his entire life, what is that moment going to be like when you get with all your family, friends, and loved ones and they get an opportunity to celebrate with you?

Speaker 4 Because it takes abilities to raise that dual carter. I can't wait.
I'm real thankful for them. Everybody who helped me get to this moment.

Speaker 4 You know, I can't wait to give back just knowing everybody that helped me get here, all the sacrifices people made.

Speaker 4 But I mean, you, I, man, I was talking to Ocho. I said, oh, even Pops I stopped.
He's the athlete to let you out, out. Do me all doing.
Get me some ice while you at it.

Speaker 4 Did the pops got a crib, too? No, he don't got the crib, but

Speaker 4 he got the Diddy's Shane on. He's a girl.
Okay.

Speaker 4 I know your mom. Your mom was like, she was really emotional back there.
I saw her. I think that was your sister with it, also, right? That's me.

Speaker 4 And she was like,

Speaker 4 I'm looking at your mom, and she was like,

Speaker 4 relieved.

Speaker 4 I'm sure she did a lot of praying for this moment. Yeah, seeing her happy, seeing her proud.
of me, that's my heart. Nothing give me more joy.
Nothing makes me more happy, seeing her happy for me.

Speaker 4 I like it.

Speaker 4 Just thought about all the obstacles, all the adversity, especially that your parents go through, all the sacrifices they make to get to this point, to actually repay them back and actually make it, man.

Speaker 4 Just congratulate you, congratulations to you and the family. And, man, I wish you nothing but love and luck, man.

Speaker 4 I appreciate your show. You know, you're going to have to get a big, big old check.
That first check will be big. What's the first thing you're going to do? I got to take care of my people first.

Speaker 4 Give my mom and dad something nice. I'm definitely going to give me something nice treat myself.
Yeah. Oh, so when you get something nice, you talk about a vehicle.
You will get another piece of ice.

Speaker 4 What you looking at? Probably a vehicle.

Speaker 4 What's your dream vehicle? Probably something more low-key. I already have my dream.
My first car was my dream car. What was it? What was that? A Tesla Model X.

Speaker 4 The X-Flat or just reggae?

Speaker 4 Man, stop trying,

Speaker 4 man. What you finna get, man? Stop talking about the Tesla.
We'll see what happens. I want some more low-key.
Stay out of the way. Okay, man.
Oh, you trying to look, you look for a slide or her? Yeah.

Speaker 4 So, but, but, what, I mean, what do you, what do you, what do you, what do your mom and dad want? Do they want a new crib? Do they want vehicles? I mean, what do they want? Um,

Speaker 4 have you, have you asked them how they have you thought about it? They're getting whatever they want. It's on me.
Yeah, I like that. I like that.
What you want to get sis?

Speaker 4 Whatever she wants. It's all you.
It's on me. Well, what? I want.
You know what I want?

Speaker 4 No, not you, not you, not you.

Speaker 4 wait, wait, wait, wait, slide, you want a jersey or something, slip me something.

Speaker 4 I could get y'all jersey for you. I just wanted, I just wanted a coupon for McDonald's.

Speaker 4 Oh, we'll see.

Speaker 4 I don't think I want 11, but it is a number. I got it, yeah.
I got number one. If anybody have it, because you know, you might have to get off some bread if somebody got it.

Speaker 4 So, who got 11?

Speaker 4 So, you think you don't want 11? No, 11 was a Penn State thing. Well, you got to.
I'm starting from scratch. You got to keep that thing going, boy.
I want something new. Double zero, double zero.

Speaker 4 It's a plus Michael, mic 11. I ain't finna do that.
I did that at Penn State. We kept that lineage going.
Now it's time for Abdul. You got to go single-digit, though.
No, it's a double-digit.

Speaker 4 It's a double-digit? Yeah.

Speaker 4 It's retired, though, but we'll see. I got to have some conversation.

Speaker 4 As long as it ain't 56, you might can get it. But if it's 56, I don't know if you can get that one out.
I love to hear that. Love to hear that.

Speaker 4 You want to follow LT?

Speaker 4 But we'll see what happens.

Speaker 4 I'll feel big shoes before I do it again. Okay, okay.
I like that. Because when they talk about the best defensive players ever, you never go past LT.

Speaker 4 You hear a lot of people say, well, we talk about wide receivers. It might be Randy.
It might be

Speaker 4 running backs. It might be Barry Emmett or Jim Brown or Walter Payton.
You go to a lot of different rooms.

Speaker 4 When it comes to defensive players, one dude. That person is old.
Yeah. And he goes by, he don't even go by a real name.
He goes by initials. LT.

Speaker 4 Man, updo, man. I'm so proud of you, man.
I've been watching your tape.

Speaker 4 I was looking at you at the bowl game, and I was like, man, he just, I mean, he beating these guys with one move, and then it's like, well, nah, he had a shoulder. His shoulder was messed up.

Speaker 4 Because I, man, you rip. I mean, you tremendous that first step.
You can turn, translate, speed to power. You do it.
You could bend the edges. You got a great snatch, arm, rip,

Speaker 4 the bull.

Speaker 4 How can you get better? What does Abdul Carter need to work on to get better? I think there's a lot of ways I can get better.

Speaker 4 This was my first year in a new position, so I'm just getting started. The sky's the limit for me.
I can just keep getting better. I can play tight end too.

Speaker 4 You trying to pull it out? You trying to pull it right out? No, no, I'm just saying. He ain't the only one who could do it, but hey.
So they put you on the goal line. You're going to go catch it.

Speaker 4 Hell yeah.

Speaker 4 Put it out there in the universe. That's it.
The Giants. So obviously, when you visited the Giants, you had a great conversation.
What made you so sure?

Speaker 4 What made you feel comfortable that the Giants was the place that you were probably going to end up?

Speaker 4 Yeah, I i just trusted my gut uh my gut told me the giants my parents wanted me to go there because they close by that they could drive up they catch that fella anytime they want yeah so i just felt a good connection with them they got to know me i got to know them it was a perfect fig i'm a new york giant

Speaker 4 you you getting season tickets for who your mom marba dane they they they not gonna miss a game for sure i know them

Speaker 4 and plus and plus when you philly they gonna see a and Washington is not that far away, so they're gonna see you

Speaker 4 10 times a year. Right there, close.
That's unbelievable.

Speaker 4 yes sir when you was growing up did you ever think you'd be a new york giant fun fact when i was 12 or 13 years old i had a dream i got drafted up by the giants but it's hard to believe but i actually had a dream i got drafted here so you didn't want to being from philly your dream wasn't to play for the eagles yeah but they they had pick 32 they would have to trade up

Speaker 4 Hey, hey, I'm doing so. I ain't finna hold y'all down, but I would have tried to be pick 32.
I'm with New York.

Speaker 4 Hey, that's it. The third pick in the draft.
Hey, you got something something on Michael. You're like, hey, bro.

Speaker 4 Hey, I ain't one to brag or the gloat of the both, but you know your boy. Your almost because LeBar, LeBar went to.
Yeah, he went too, for sure. He went three.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 And,

Speaker 4 you know, his knees wore out on it, but Lamar was, I was in the league while I was kind of at the tail end of my career with LeBar.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Yeah. The one thing, yo, the one thing you wear that leather, you can't put that leather on if you ain't no hair raising out there.
His son got announced, so we're going to see what he do.

Speaker 4 But yeah, all those guys that look out for me, they took me under their wing, and I'm real thankful for those guys. Yeah, yeah, that's unbelievable.
That's unbelievable, man. I'm so proud of you.

Speaker 4 I know your family's proud of you. Abdul Man, thanks for coming, bro.
We really appreciate it. Because we know,

Speaker 4 yeah, Bailey Fay.

Speaker 4 Abdul Connor, guys.

Speaker 4 Don't forget to eat your McDonald's.

Speaker 4 I mean, this Shadur, man, I think

Speaker 4 it'd be interesting to see what

Speaker 4 social media has to say about

Speaker 4 Shaddur falling.

Speaker 4 No, it'll be interesting if Milro go before him. Oh, my God.
If Milro go before him.

Speaker 4 But it's possible. Yes.
It's possible. Yes.
I mean, it's not like it's out of the realm of possibility. This has been a collective effort.

Speaker 4 Media,

Speaker 4 GMs, owners,

Speaker 4 for the simple fact. They allowed.

Speaker 4 So, is it because his last name's Sanders?

Speaker 4 That's what you're saying?

Speaker 4 There's no other reason.

Speaker 4 There's no other reason. Just turn the film on.

Speaker 4 I want my quarterback confident because if he doesn't have that, he can't play. I don't care what his skill set is.

Speaker 4 You got to have confidence.

Speaker 4 You just have to believe. Look, in pro sports, you have to believe you're the baddest mofo out here.
And I'm here for a reason.

Speaker 4 And you got to be mentally strong and not allow the outside noise to get to you. And that's hard, man.

Speaker 4 That's hard. But I think the, and plus, you can't go press now, Ocho.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 I can't show you what, I can't show y'all what y'all missed in one game.

Speaker 4 Yeah, but let's look at, let's look at his,

Speaker 4 let's look at the history of those.

Speaker 4 Let's just say he and Milro, just to throw out two names. Right.
He's always been the guy.

Speaker 4 He's always been the guy. He's never been challenged.
Not saying that's good or bad. I'm just saying he's never had to

Speaker 4 show you

Speaker 4 that I am who you think I am or want me to be.

Speaker 4 Jalen Milro was about to be a DV.

Speaker 4 Let me ask you this. If I take Shadur and put him at Alabama, and I take Milro and put him at Colorado, you think Alabama has a better record or a worse record with Shadur?

Speaker 4 I'm going to say a worse record because Shadur doesn't run enough or run more.

Speaker 4 I think with Milro's legs, and I think he throws it accurately enough in college football for that team to be successful,

Speaker 4 if Nick Sabin is still coaching and no Dears on coach the board.

Speaker 4 But I just think that when you look at what Nick had him do,

Speaker 4 He was very good at what Jalen Milro is.

Speaker 4 I don't know if Shadur could take an Alabama offense because he doesn't run enough.

Speaker 4 College football is all about the legs, man.

Speaker 4 You got to use those legs.

Speaker 4 Milroy ain't running in Colorado with that offensive line.

Speaker 4 No, Milro would have been running in Colorado with that offense.

Speaker 4 Yeah, he would have been running.

Speaker 4 He wasn't going to complete 74% of his throws. I know that.
He might not have 10 touchdowns behind that offensive line.

Speaker 4 I agree with that. I don't agree with that.
You'll have a thousand yards rushing, though. Or 2,000 yards rushing.
Yeah,

Speaker 4 I kind of disagree a little bit. Well, yeah, obviously, they're in Alabama.
Just say hypothetically, if the players are switched,

Speaker 4 there's no Travis Hunter in Alabama, but I think collectively, as a group, Williams ain't bad, though. No,

Speaker 4 no, no, but but that's what I'm saying. See, in that con you,

Speaker 4 you got to look at how the conference is built. Oh, the conference is built.
You see all the

Speaker 4 Georgia, you see all the D Lab, all the

Speaker 4 D-lab with the edge rushes. You got to be able to move a quarterback.
Georgia.

Speaker 4 Oh, Miss. I mean, you got to be able to move.

Speaker 4 You got to be able to move. If you look at all the quarterbacks in the SEC, they can throw them.
Even if he can't do it with his legs, he's a better throw of the ball than Nero is.

Speaker 4 Yeah. Yeah, but we're going to attack that weakness.

Speaker 4 See, that see when you're a dual threat, it's hard to attack a weakness because we don't know which one it is. But if you can't run, you're going to be standing back there.

Speaker 4 Oh, yeah, we're getting to that.

Speaker 4 Our conference is built on getting to that. Right.

Speaker 4 That is an interesting situation, though.

Speaker 4 If you had to put some money, what do you think you're doing influenced

Speaker 4 now? Here's the thing: I'm going with the Rams. I'm staying.
The shock is going to be if he slides out of the second round.

Speaker 4 We already were surprised that he slid out of the first round. We would be shocked.

Speaker 4 Agass. But if he slid again,

Speaker 4 I wouldn't even know what to say.

Speaker 4 I wouldn't even know what to say.

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