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It took dark. It took dark.

I know there's no way you trade back into the first round

if you're not selecting a quarterback.

We knew they were selecting a quarterback.

We just didn't know Jackson Dart should do it.

But is he the...

It is.

Wow. You didn't see his mom patting him on his back? She wasn't patting him because he's going in the second round.
Right. Oh, my goodness.
When did Cleveland pick again? Second round, right? Second round. So that's...
Well, we're going to see that till tomorrow. Yeah.
Oh, my goodness. Hey, she do it like, man, if I'd have known this, I'd have stayed in school another year.
Oh, my goodness. But...
I can't believe they played like that. I'm surprised.
I'm not. Listen, I'm not surprised that they traded back in the first round.
I'm surprised. But Ocho, think about it.

The last week, we started hearing this that people had

Jackson Dart number two. They had

Slaw number three. They had Slid.

Look what they got and gave up.

Second round pick.

They gave up a third round pick and a

26 third round pick.

It's confusing. I'm not sure what film they were watching.
I'm not saying there's nothing wrong with Jackson Dart. Right.
But come on now. I mean.
Come on now. When you.
It's kind of like when you. Look.
When the grocery store you got a list you already know what you want they know the guy that they want I'm a little surprised I thought Shador played well enough but hey they haven't got it right in a minute.

They haven't gotten it right since Eli. Well, they better get it right.

They just,

they better get it right. Right.

Okay, okay.

Yeah.

Wow.

But, you know, the momentum has started to build by Shadour possibly sliding out of the first round.

We like, okay, he doesn't go in early.

He doesn't go to Cleveland.

They don't go to the Giants.

It seemed like both of those teams had their mind made up.

Had Cleveland not traded back, they were going to take Travis. Okay, they trade back, get the guy.
They still get a great pick there. Right.
And they pick up some draft capital along the way. Now, the middle, from 10 all the way to 21, nobody needs a quarterback.
So I'm thinking Steelers. He don't go 21 to the Steelers.
Nobody from 22 to 32 needs a quarterback. So unless somebody trades back into the first round, Ocho, he's going to be a day two selection.
Right. All right.
All right, guys, coming to the stage, selected number seven overall in 1988,

Pro Football Hall of Fame of 2025, my brother's Sterling Sharp.

Give it up, Pat.

Oh, he's, but he get back up.

What do you want?

What do we got?

Jackson Dart.

The Giants traded back.

They were selected number three.

They take Abdul Carter.

They come back up into the first round of 26.

They make the trade with the Houston Texans. They select Jackson Dart.
Wow. That's big.
That's wow. So there's only two quarterbacks gone.
Yes. Yes.
We knew Cam Ward was going number one. A lot of people thought should be number two.
Yeah. But it's not how high you go.
It's where you go. He still has an opportunity to go to a great situation.
When you look at it now, what other teams still need to quote about? Cleveland. Cleveland.
Who else? What about L.A.? The Rams? The Rams.

I mean, Stafford's got to be on the back end.

Yeah.

He's got a year left.

That's a good one.

They did take Stetson Bennett.

I forgot about that.

Last year.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Go back, go.

Yeah.

Go back, go.

Go back, go.

Go back, go. Oh, I go.
Go back, go. Go back, go.

Oh, I forgot.

He started at USC.

Jackson Dart started at USC.

Okay.

Everybody that plays quarterback now started somewhere else.

Oh, he does got – he got a live arm, okay?

No, he played for Lane Kiffin, so he –

Oh, Lane goes –

He can play the position.

He's going to be able to play the position.

That's one thing about Lane.

He's going to dial it up now.

Wow, what a throw.

And you've got a lot of control.

Quarterbacks have a lot of control in his system, too.

Yes.

And he moves just good enough. Yeah.
Wow. Good catch, boy.
No. Huh? Good catch.
What about the throw? The throw. What about the throw? Pretty good company.
the third Ole Miss quarterback to be selected number one in the common draft. Archie and Eli preceded him.
Archie was the second pick of the draft. Eli was number one, and now we get 26.
I like it. I like it.
Wow. I don't know.
To me, that's your door. Sanders, the neighbor, just sounded much better.
Well, they did a job, boy. I'll see you guys.
I appreciate that. That is.
that is oh wow what you uh you like the package selection I can say yes I I mean I don't I don't watch enough football to have an opinion I mean I I don't watch football anymore so I I if he's a receiver and he can catch,

they got a good quarterback in Jordan that can throw it.

I mean, he should have success here.

Right.

Dayball sees trace of Josh Allen and Jackson Dart.

Who said that?

The head coach.

Come on now.

Is that a compliment?

He was an OC.

Yeah.

When he had that breakout season. Yes, sir.
So the one thing we know, Dayball can coach now. Is that a compliment? He was an OC.
Yeah. When he had that breakout season.

Yes, sir.

So, the one thing we know, Dave can coach now.

Yeah, they say the same thing about Daniel Jones, too, didn't they?

No.

What's he call him?

He wasn't the head coach with Daniel Jones, was he?

Who? He was the head coach, but I don't think he drafted him. Phil Sills seventh.
Phillip Rivers fourth. Daniel Jones sixth.
I can't believe that, man. That's crazy.
I think the thing is when you look at the Giants, the Giants said, look,

they were going to take Travis or they were going to take Abdul Carter.

I thought.

And the Falcons traded back in.

No, they don't need a quarterback.

Sure don't.

No, no.

Will Johnson? James Pierce Jr. Running back.
Oh, Edge. He's the Edge.
Yeah. I like it.
That's a good selection. Two.
They took two defensive players. They're like, look, we got to get better on that side of the football.

They're like, I like our offensive coach.

Yes.

But they're probably being able to stop people.

No, you can't outscore everybody in this league.

You know, they got B. John Robinson.

Yeah.

They got Drake London.

They got Kyle Pitts.

Kyle Pitts.

Mooney.

Mooney's still there.

Yeah.

Mooney's still there.

Woo! Kyle Pitts. Mooney.
Mooney's still there. Mooney's still there.
Woo-hoo-hoo-hoo-hoo-hoo-hoo. Look at what the Rams got.
The Rams got more for that pick than what the Giants gave up. Wait, which one? They got a second round, a seventh round, and a first? This year? They got first, yeah, next year.
I'm telling you, it's setting itself up for the Rams. I can see the Shidori.
I mean, I know Matt, I'm not trying to get rid of Matt Stafford, but he can't play forever. Yeah, you got to stay in the transition.
That's what got the Steelers in trouble.

They let Ben down the vine.

Yep.

If there's a quarterback you like, you take him a year or two early

as opposed to letting your quarterback down the vine.

That's what happened to Pittsburgh with Ben Roethlisberger.

Yeah, they let him stay too long.

Stay too long.

And they ain't been able to find an answer yet.

Nope.

He's long, too.

Yeah.

Woo!

I've seen more football sitting on this sofa than I have in the last five years.

You got that Al Wilson, number 27 jersey on.

I have never seen this much football in the last five years. You got that Al Wilson, number 27 jersey zone.
I have never seen this much football in the last five years. Baltimore.
If you're Baltimore, what you taking? What you need? Well, I thought. It's not even what you need with Baltimore.
It's what you want. Not remembering Christian Watson was a little nicked.
I think ACL, I thought they would have taken a receiver. I thought they were going to get the guy from Texas, Baltimore.
I was not thinking that Green Bay. I was not thinking about Green Bay and Christian Watson's situation.
So I was like, the kid from Texas, if he's there, which I thought he would have gone first. I thought he would have gone higher.
You remember Josh Jacobs asking what he thought they needed, called some flag. He said, I think we need a number one.
We need a dog. Everybody got mad.
Could you see Baltimore taking a DB? Do they go get another receiver? They got Wiggins already. You got Marlon Humphrey.
Marlon plays slot mainly. Safety? Good point.
D-line? That's a good point. D-line.
D-jackle. Because the young boy just retired Oh Pierce? Yeah He just retired I like that one I think the thing is Baltimore's like you know what We can take whatever we want We still got Lamar, we got Henry We got Zay Flowers We got the other receiver What the other receiver, Ocho? Not Aguilar.
No, seven. Oh.
Rashard Bateman. Rashard Bateman.
We got Bateman. We got Likely.
We got Andrews. They got a nice offensive line.
They re-signed Staley. So you're saying defense.
I think they go defense. Yeah.
I definitely think they go defense. D-tackle.
I'm definitely thinking defense. You got Rowe.
I don't know if there's a safety rating that high to go with Kyle Hamilton. No.
So I'm thinking a corner or a D-lineman. I say Will Johnson makes a lot of sense here.
Because That's a good one. I like that.
Malakas Starks. safety.
For Georgia. He's still in the draft yet.

He's supposed to be a little.

He's supposed to be a little.

Yeah.

But my question, I was like, okay, what safety is rated high enough?

Because it makes sense with Kyle Hamilton.

Right.

Your all-world safety.

Okay.

Well, Kyle play in the box.

He does.

He does.

He does.

He absolutely does.

This will be the third one.

Defense. Two edges and a safety.

Man, I can't believe

they'd pick Jackson Dart.

I'm still...

Safety from Georgia. Yellowcast Darts.
I'm retired. I'm retired.
I'm retired. I like the pick.
I like this pick for Baltimore. I like that.
I think once you get down this long with Joe, there ain't a whole lot of needs you got. Yeah.
I mean, you won, you know, 11, 12 games. You went, you know, you went around in the playoffs.
Right. So it's not like you're like, there's one guy that's going to change your fortune.
It's not like you're at the top of the draft. At the bottom of the draft, I'm taking whatever the best player available, that's what I'm going to take.
And at this point, especially this far in the draft. But Baltimore is a hard team too, though.
They're a hard team to track like that. They're like, oh, they're going to take this or they're going to take that.
They do everything that's a little bit unconventional. They always have been.
But the thing is, when you're that good, it's kind of like Kansas City. What do they need? You win 15 games.
You win 14 games. You win 12 games.
What can you select that down at the bottom that's going to put you over the top? One, they might not put them over the top, but the first team you mentioned was Kansas City. Yeah.
That didn't dig O-line. O-line.
They addressed the O-line situations. Not sure what you're going to get of quality that far down, but you ain't got no choice.
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with the 27th pick, the Baltimore Ravens

select

Malakai Stark

Malakot starts. Malakot.

I like it.

I like it to say he did a pair with Hamilton.

Hamilton, that's nice, yeah.

You know, you got Wiggins, you got Hupp.

Even though Hupp kicks inside when they go three wides,

he's really good in the slot.

And you know, Baltimore, they got Roquan. So in general they bring Kirby know how to get them defensive guys.
Kirby know how to get them. And can coach them.

Yep.

I guess when you coach Saban for that length of time,

you got to learn something.

You have to learn something.

You know what win championships.

Oh, yeah.

And the one thing Georgia defenders can do is run.

Oh, look how he flipped balls.

Oh, look how he flipped those hips. Watch this.
Look at this. Oh, bro, you can't fool me.
Yeah, you can't fool me. I'm going to flip right through that.
That's a good switch. That's mine.
Yeah. Wait, hold on.
Is he playing nickel or safety? Okay, now he has safety. Yeah, but you know, in today's college football, you got to be able to cover so much space.
Wow. He was at the point in the first diagram.
I like that. He got great ball skills.
He got great ball skills. He got skills.
He got great ball skills. I mean, the first two plays he made, he dropped this guy and made a play.
Then on the deep ball, first thing you see, touch, look back for ball. Find it.
Find it right away. Most of the time, you can tell when the DB is good.

Most of the time in those situations, they panic.

Yes.

They panic and just play the hands.

And he plays with attitude, so he's going to fit right in in Baltimore.

He's going to play just like them.

I like – so now the line is on the clock.

Yeah.

They need some defense, Ocho.

Go get Will Johnson.

He from Michigan. Yeah.
That's perfect. Right down the street.
Yeah. They need some defense, Ocho.
Go get Will Johnson. He from Michigan.

Yeah.

That'd be perfect.

Right down the street.

Yeah, go get him.

Go get him.

Get him matching up with Brother Branch.

Yeah.

Well, Brian Branch is the real deal.

Yeah.

Oh, my goodness, man.

Oh, they got Terran Armstrong. They got Terran Armstrong.

They got Terran Joseph.

They re-signed Joseph. Terran Arnold, right? Yeah.
Oh, he got Terran Armstrong. They got Joseph.
They re-signed Joseph.

Terran Arnold, right? Oh, he's nice. I definitely think they need a corner.
Yeah. You getting Hutch back.
Yeah. Now, are they going to re-sign Z, Zedaria Smith? Oh, that's right.
He is free. The question is, it's kind of hard to tell what they need because they had so many guys on our defensive side of the football.
So it's really hard to tell what they actually need considering so many guys were banged up towards the middle end of the year. But the thing is, if you look at the division that they play, if you don't need guys that can score, you need guys that can stop people from scoring.
And in today's league with the rules that they're, you have to, you better have nine guys that can cover. And Detroit with their offense, because they're going to score.
Oh, yeah. I would definitely not be mad if they took a corner.
Yeah, I think Will Johnson.

Like I said, he went to Michigan.

He went to Michigan.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So, I mean, if –

The pick is in.

Yeah.

Ash, will be looking like Ash? What we got?

That's what we're looking like.

No.

What did he play?

Oh, 99? Okay. I mean, considering all the people they had on defense hurt, and they still finished seven in defense.
Yeah. They put so much pressure on you because they score.

They force you to play catch up. Yeah, that's a good point.

They force you to turn the ball over.

That's why, you know, you have some of them lopsided games.

Right.

They got into that shootout with Buffalo.

Yeah.

D-tackle.

I took a D-tackle.

From Ohio State?

Yeah.

Can't be mad at that either.

So he must be happy with, obviously, the skill position on defense.

Must be.

But Arnold got to play better.

He get too many penalties.

Yeah.

Too much hold on.

Too much hold on.

Too handsy.

Got to trust your feet. Trust your feet in the eyes.
Yes. When you do what he does, tell me he's guessing.
He's unsure. He'll be better this year, though.
Yeah. Khalid Williams.
Ohio State.

Well, you like that pick?

I think what they're going to do is play offense with their defensive line.

You don't know how healthy that he's going to come back.

Right.

And, I mean, at 70%, I mean, he's a high-energy guy. He needs – they're going to play offense with their defensive line.
They're going to do a lot of that right there. They're going to do a lot of moving.
You are not going to get one-on-ones. You're not going to see a lot of that right there.
They're going to play offense with their defensive line. They're going to scheme and they're going to slant and they're going to move.
They're not going to be in the same place when the ball snapped than they were when they lined up. That's what they're going to do.
I like that. Get off the ball.
Great press. Look at the press.
Look at the whole. Look at the whole part of a tackle with your press.
It's A. Where you going? You going to the A, I'm going to throw you here.
You going to the B, I'm going to throw you there. L.A.
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Bro, he ain't going. Watch? No, he ain't going there.

He ain't no quarterback.

Yeah.

And who draft after Washington?

Buffalo.

They don't.

He ain't going there.

Kansas City.

He ain't going there.

Philly.

He ain't going there.

No, he ain't going there either.

Man, they did a number on young bull, man. Hey.
I like the Rams. If I'm Kansas City, I trade out of the first round.
No, absolutely not. I trade out of the first round.
I give you some day two, second O-linemen. Okay, okay, okay.
An extra second? I get an extra second. Right.
Okay, okay. You're right.
You can't miss on those picks either. No.
You're going to trade out in the first round and get what? O-linemen. A couple O-linemen in day two.
And you need O-line bad. Oh, I'm sick, same.
Remember how for last time in 2020 they got their eyes beat out by Tampa. They go get Thune.
They go sign Smith. That's correct.
And they went back-to-back Super Bowl. Damn.
Yeah, I mean, it makes sense for them to trade out. That makes more sense because, I mean, they don't have a need.

They don't have a want.

Right.

And the question is, with that being said, if a situation, you're looking at it like, hold on.

How high is rated is the offensive line we're going to get at 30?

Why not slide back, get a couple of extra picks right I get a second possibly a third maybe fourth uh what does Washington take here defense okay they got to get they got to go got to go defense Yeah Offensively I mean Nick is in Ask how they looking What I like I I mean, they're really high. I would take – They're another team that you really don't know what their knee is.
Didn't they release a defensive lineman? Allen, I think Jonathan – didn't they leave – Jonathan Allen. I think they lost Allen.
Yeah. You replace him? They can use a corner.
Hold on. The DBs, man.
Who's left? They got from the Saints. Came over.
Marshawn Lattimore. Yeah.
Yeah. I don't know if he can run anymore, though.
He can run anymore, Joe.

Yeah.

But he had to get his legs up underneath him, though.

Remember, he was hurt for a little bit when he came from the Saints.

Yeah.

Then when he got out there, we're in the middle of the season.

Mike Green.

We'll take an edge. Or the safety out of South Carolina.
Okay. Nick Emaniora.
I like it. The pick is in.
You go defense by offense. Definitely defense.
Defense. You don't need nothing on offense.
Look at what they got. You got a wide receiver in Debo.
You get Tunsell. You got Ken Law.
You got Will Harris. Sounds good.
What do you play? I like it. I like it.
Protect the asset. Yeah.
I mean. Wow.
Man. Man.
I have. Okay, man.
Well, that's the thing about the draft, though, man. Golly.
Did we not watch the film? Forget what they talk about. The eye in the sky don't lie.
Sometimes you talk yourself out of something. I believe they talk themselves out of this.
Everybody keeps saying, well, Jackson Dart's ceiling is higher than she does. Can you determine that what you're talking about? That pick right there puts a lot of pressure on your offensive coordinator because you got new toys.
You got Debo, and you're going to have to put them in positions to score. You got Terry McLaurin.
Ryan Robinson. Your offensive coordinator is about to be a star.
Well, I mean, if Debo can stay healthy. Well, Clingsbury did an unbelievable job last year.
Oh, yeah. And now he's got more.
You're too under his belt. He got more guys that he can step outside of his system.
He's getting ready to be a star. Oh, yeah.'m Kansas City, I'm taking Amari and Hampton.
Wonderback, what you already got on? Pacheco. No.
That's crazy. That ain't working.
Bro, you ain't fair to have all that kind of time. That ain't working.
That ain't working. Bro, you ain't finna have all that kind of time.

That ain't working.

That ain't working.

Ooh, nice.

Nice pass off.

Nice pass off.

Ooh, excuse me.

Look at this.

Okay.

I like to stay.

Ooh, coming around.

Hey, get out of the way, son.

That ain't what you want.

At all.

But see, now, Ocho, you can't go low. You remember? Yeah.
You create a pile. Yeah.
Now you got to take that punishment. Mm-hmm.
He did? Yeah. Oh, okay, okay.
He went to the charges. Oh, okay, okay, okay, okay.
Because, you know, who did they let go? Because they had, what was the guy from Baltimore? From 27, number 27. J.K.
Dobbins. Yeah.
They lost J.K. Dobbins, yeah.
So I like the Chargers pick. He went early, Ocha.
Buffalo, okay.

Buffalo, what do you get?

What do you need in Buffalo?

Tredavious White came back.

Hold on.

What position?

You don't need nothing on offense. You can never have too much offense.
Corner. Corner.
You can never have too much offense. In today's NFL, we talk about jobs.
They're begging you to score. So they're averaging about 13 wins a year and ain't got nothing to show for.
You can't have enough. You can't have all those wins or nothing to show for.
Yeah. Yeah.
But if you look at, look at how they look at where their season ends, their season ends with either Kansas city or Kansas city. That's it.
That's what they plan against. Basically.
Remember they lost against the Bengals. Did you hear the Bengals went to the the Super Bowl? Yeah.
They lost to Kansas City. They keep saying they want to get home field.
They lost to Kansas City. Kansas City wouldn't have beat them.
And then went on to Baltimore last year. Yeah.
They had to go on the road to Kansas City. Yeah.
I would draft based on what Kansas City does to me. It's going to be the same three, same four every single year.
They got the same four quarterbacks. Let's see if something happens with those quarterbacks.
That's what I would do. Wow.
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Ash, who you said? They took a... Corner.
Where's he from? Okay. Okay.
Ooh, SEC guy. I can...
SEC guy. He can rush.
He can cover. You know, Rasul Douglas injured.
He can do it. they brought Tredavious White back he was injured you know hopefully he's healthy a year removed from that ACL well second year removed from that ACL but hopefully he's better I like Rasul I like the guy from where is he from Houston the D-tackle.
I love him.

I can't think of the name off the top of my head.

Ash, what's the D-tackle number 91 name from Houston?

Houston to Buffalo.

Ed Oliver.

You mean Buffalo?

Ed Oliver.

Oh, he's from Houston?

Yeah, from Houston.

Yeah, Ed Oliver.

Ed Oliver.

I love him.

He's got a motor.

He's violent.

He strikes.

I love everything about him. They a motor.
He's violent. He strikes.
I love

everything about him. They got Russo

on one edge.

Epinesa on the other side.

Yeah.

Now the question is, is

Matt Milano fully healthy?

When he's healthy?

He's sideline to sideline.

He top three. I like it.
I like that. I'm going to make you famous.
I'm going to make you famous.

He said, get it up.

He said, get up in here.

Come on now.

Come on.

You want some of my beef jerky? Oh, he was at the draft. Who? I said, why do they invite certain people when they know they're not going in the first round and just have them sitting there looking crazy?

I wouldn't come.

Unless you're just certainly absolutely sure, huh?

Abdul, you know, like Cam and Abdul and Trav.

You know.

The Campbell.

Man, I ain't. Nah.
Man, that's a crazy feeling. Ocho, you think Jellie Miro go before us your door?? They playing game.
Ooh, that's a good one. What you think? They love it.
A lot of people say he has the most upside. They can't stop you looking at size and arm strength.
What'd I tell you? Told you, Ocho. Trading, I told you.
For who and for what? They traded the Philly. I don't know why Philly feel they need to move up to 31.
They was at 32. They moved up one spot to make sure they get the person they want? Get the person they want.
They really, they really can go anywhere.

Right.

Other than quarterback, they don't need a wide receiver.

They don't need a running back.

They don't need a quarterback.

They don't need an offensive lineman.

We know they're not going to go off his lineman.

They got number one in every position.

Right tackle, left tackle, left guard, center.

Receiver.

So they got a top three player. Yeah, they do.
So D lineman, they loaded at D lineman. They've shown us you can't ever have enough D lineman.
Right. You either got a tackle or a cover.
Nice rotation. You got a tackle or cover him.
So you get a situation where, hey, we got a NASCAR package.

Yeah.

We got a group that stops the run, and then we spin.

Hey, then we change tires right quick, do a pit stop.

Come on in.

Come on in, guys.

Let's see what he looking like, Ocho.

Look at this.

Oh, no.

He nice.

No, he nice.

No, he nice.

No, he nice.

Stop playing.

No.

That was nice.

Ocho, look at this. No, no, he nice.
Look at this. Look at this, Ocho.
Look at this. he nice.
No, he nice. No, he nice.
Stop playing. No.
That was nice. Oh, Joe, look at this back.

No, no, he nice.

Look at this.

Look at this, Ocho.

Look at this.

He nice.

I got you.

You thought I was going to bite me.

No, he in our conference.

He's nice.

Oh, damn.

You should have showed that play.

No, he not.

That guy got on the backside.

Look at him flip those hips.

Flip, boy.

Look how he flipped them open.

Give me that.

Look how he flipped them things, man.

Look at his feet.

Look at his feet.

Look at this.

Look at this.

Look at this.

He.

Uh-oh.

Uh-oh.

Don't try me.

Our guys used to always say in South Carolina, he believes what he sees. You're going to have to be real good to fool him.
Nice. I like it.
Nice. Eagle said, man, we ain't fit the hole, y'all.
We don't need all this time. Come on.
That's a good pig. Okay.

That's a big. D-Line Manash.

Big.

Go DB.

Linebacker.

Where?

Oh, linebacker.

Really?

Yeah.

They just signed Bond back. Yeah, they did.
Yeah. N'Kobe Dean? How healthy is he going to be? You know, he had that knee.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, see? Way late.
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Philly, I believe y'all could have got that guy at 32. Yeah, he would have still been there.
I believe he would have still been there. Because if he wouldn't, if Kansas City would have wanted him, they wouldn't have been a truth.

Maybe they was worried about somebody else shooting up.

No, they weren't.

No, they were.

No.

They were about to fall asleep.

They just wanted to do something to get busy in the draft.

Yeah.

I like it.

That's dope. I like it.

Look, I like the Bills pick.

You're going to have his hands full now.

Oh, yeah.

Waddle.

Tyreek.

Mm-hmm.

You got Buffalo in their situation. Shakir.
You got Buffalo in their situation?

Shakir?

You got Palmer?

You got Keon Coleman you got to deal with?

Mm-hmm.

I mean, the Patriots ain't got no.

I'm talking about that boy.

I know you got Stephon.

Yeah, yeah.

I'm talking about that.

Yeah.

Man.

Like I said, in Stephon.

You saying that receiver for Buffalo?

Huh?

Receiver?

No, no, for the Patriots.

Yeah, they got Diggs, but Diggs is coming off an ACL.

And he's going to be on the inside anyway.

Yeah.

You need to get past that first year when you're dealing with that ACL,

unless you're Adrian Peterson.

Right.

I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know where he rehabbed that.

Yeah, you need to be, you need to be. Ash, is he coming through?

Ash.

No. Jahad Okay

Okay

I heard him.

Huh?

We've been next year.

We've got proof of concept.

Show everybody we can do it.

That was process. show everybody we can do it thank you

Thank you. I'll do shoes, bro.
Oh, ask the gente.

Wow. Oh, ask the JNT.

Wow.

It's a.

Oh, my goodness.

Draft is so different.

The draft is so different now with with with now when you know now now it used to be on Sunday.

They once started Sunday

and then it went Monday, Tuesday

and you had seven rounds.

I mean 12 rounds. When I came out you had 12.

Now they start on

Thursday,

go Friday and Saturday.

That's it. Come on, Eagles.
Speed. Speed.
Speed on defense. Come on, speed on defense.
Come on, speed on defense.

Campbell, John.

Speed on defense.

He's on defense.

He a thumper, though.

With speed.

He a thumper.

Yes, he is.

That's one thing about Bama guys.

You strike.

Yeah, when they get there, you go down. Yeah, you strike there.
All them 220 linebackers, they don't have that. They got them guys 235, 240.
And can run for day. Yeah, man.
That's a good pick for them, though. Oh, yeah.
To get that guy around value. And he can step outside that defense and be on his own.
He can make plays on his own. Look at the side.
He can make plays on his own. Get on your horse.
Get on your horse. Get on your horse.
Get on your horse. Get on your horse.
Get on your horse. Get on your horse.
Get on your horse. Get on your horse.
Get on your horse. That's mine.
Ooh. That's mine.
That was a terrible throat. That's Carson Beck.
I don't know what he was looking at. He don't either.
Look at this. Read and react.
Ooh. Oh, dip it.

What are you doing?

Man, oh, just some of them guys, I don't know what they be doing.

I know they ain't coaching that.

Showed up in a hurry.

He was sudden, wasn't he?

He was sudden.

Yeah. He showed up, wasn't he? He was sudden.
Yeah.

He showed up all of a sudden.

Imagine

you're a defensive player and you're going to the Eagles.

Man.

Are you talking about a dream come

true?

No.

I don't be mad if they went linebacker. Yeah.
I mean, you say, I would hope so. I guess you take the, don't know how they got an offensive linrey who's a year gonna be a year plus removed from the ACL surgery uh uh uh they got Juwan Johnson Smith is back they got Creed Humphrey.
They need a left guard. You know, Joe Thune is in Chicago now.
Chicago has improved tremendously. They absolutely have.
Yeah.

The cornerback.

Remember the cornerback?

He won the – didn't he win the Thorpe Award?

Yes, yes, yes.

And, you know.

Why did he fall the way he did?

I have no idea.

I mean, he's probably thinking the same thing Shadour's thinking.

How did I fall? Right.

Simmons.

Ohio State tackle.

And he's going inside.

You going to play the guard

position or tackle? Yeah, he's going to move him

inside.

What do they like? Look, I think everybody that's out there listening to us, everybody that's here, I think everybody's shocked that Shador slid out of the first round. Right.
Look, once he got past that first three, the first three, nobody else really needed a quarterback until they got to 21. Right.
Okay? He doesn't go in. Well, at nine.
But are you really? Not at Saints. At the Saints, at the Saints.
But are you really that shocked, though? Because everybody, except for Mel Kiper, everybody was saying Shadour was falling like a comet. Everyone.
Jackson Dart on the rise, Shadour falling, except for Mel. And then when you start to look at all the intent, I mean, they talk about accuracy, accuracy, but then you look at Jackson Dart.
He can move. He's accurate.
He does all those same things. So just listening to other people who do this for a living, they weren't shocked.
They were saying this since day one, since the combine, that Jackson Dart went to the combine, Milrow went to the combine. They all blew up, and it was like Shadour was starting to fall.
Well, for me, is that okay, look like Travis, he wasn't going to Cleveland, he wasn't going to the Giants. Right.
Okay. With Derek Carr's situation with his shoulder, we don't know if he went how he thought he would have went.
So now, he doesn't go nine. Nobody until 21 needs a quarterback.
Right. Once, once Pittsburgh doesn't select him, you're like, okay,

well, maybe somebody trades back.

I said, don't you know, somebody's going to trade back in the first round.

And the Giants did trade back into the first round.

And they're going to take – and they're going to take Dart.

I don't understand.

So let me ask you this.

Does Milrow go before Shadour?

I just asked him that.

I have no idea.

Because, I mean, everybody likes Milrow. Everybody said he's a treat.
He's going to keep growing. They like the ability, the 4-3-7 speed, the big-time arm.
Now, he struggled with accuracy. I don't like guys that struggle with accuracy in college.
Not at that level. Not at this level, no.
So if you struggle with accuracy in college. Don't struggle.
We saw that with Anthony Richardson. Yeah.
So it's hard to, you know. It's hard to go there and be accurate.
Yes. If you don't bring it with you, you ain't picking it up on the way there.
Because you got to be, you got to be, you got to throw guys open. Yes, sir.
Guys ain't going to be, every once in a while a guy blow an assignment, miss a coverage, and then all of a sudden you find somebody. But more times than not, you got to hit guys on the move.
You cutting it loose before he gets. Yeah, yeah, man.
Yeah, yeah. And so I'm.
Exemplatory skills, man. But they like, they keep talking upside.
That's the thing with you. I know you're tired of hearing it, but they talk about upside.
He has the ability. He has the most ability to expand.
Right. Yeah, but when you talk about upside with the Mill Rowe and these guys, the upside is you're not getting off the bus playing right now.
Yeah. Your upside is you can wait two years, and then you can move in and be comfortable.
Upside is not, oh, he's going to get better at what he does now. No, upside is the fact that, guess what? You ain't playing tomorrow.
We don't want you to play tomorrow. We really don't need you to play tomorrow.
It's like Penix in Atlanta. He had tremendous upside because they knew he wasn't going to play right away.
My thing is, and I told Ocho this when they signed Cousins, I said, Ocho, the best, I'm talking about the absolute best you can hope you get from Cousins is two years. What happens, Ocho, if this car breaks down halfway through the season? And I'd be damned.
Now you're stuck. You gave him $100 million guarantee.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, but it's Monopoly money. Monopoly money.
I mean, everybody can spend. There was a 3% chance he was going to be available.
So there was a chance. Yeah.
Yeah. Small.
Oh, that's a bull. Wow.
I mean, Ash, you'm good. I'm only saying LA with the Rams with Shador.
I'm only saying that because Stafford is in, I think, the last year of his deal. Yeah.
But I don't, but I don't know. If it ain't the Rams, I don't know who.
Right. I mean, the Saints could come back in the second round.
Well, Cleveland is up. Cleveland picked first in the second round.
Might be the first one taken. At the end of the day, bro, I won't.
It's where you go, not how high you go. I've always said that.
I'm like, you know, I don't care. I don't care.
Just let me get in a system that will allow me to keep being me. Yeah.
That's what I want. Because for me in a system that I can keep, I don't have to learn to be you.
I don't have to learn to be you. I want to get off the bus being me.
And that's the most important thing. I mean, the money is good, too.
You know, I'd really like to go second, then to go seventh.

But other than that, you get in a system that will allow me to be me.

I mean, I went to a situation.

I went to one of the three teams that had an H-back position.

Yeah.

What if I don't go to a team that doesn't have an H-back position?

I came to a team that didn't want me.

Washington, the Chargers, and the Broncos.

The only team that had H-back position. Yeah.
All the and the Broncos. Yeah.
The only team that had a equity.

Yeah.

Yeah.

All the tight ends get hurt.

Yeah.

What are the chances?

There's no chance that all three of them get hurt.

Right.

There is no chance.

I'm the biggest wide receiver.

I just happen to weigh 215 pounds.

And so, hey, he can play tight end.

Right.

Huh?

When they had 215-pound tight ends within the 60s, the 50s he can play tight end. Right.
Huh? When they had 215 pound tight end within the sixties,

the fifties,

not the nineties.

Right.

But,

uh,

it's a

half the highest draft of receivers is Calvin Johnson in two thousand.

Well,

damn.

Well,

he's the highest drafted DB since who?

When last time a DB went, the second pick.

Sure, what number Prime went?

Prime was five.

Three wins before Prime.

Sean Springs went two in 98.

Yeah.

Yeah.

He came out with one Charles Wilson.

Okay, but Sean was nice, boy.

He was nice for that one year.

I don't know what happened.

And then everybody started cooking.

Oh, that's Ocho right now.

That was Ocho released right now.

Yeah.

That was Ocho released right now. That stab.

He's like, I ain't going nowhere.

I ain't going nowhere.

That was Ocho.

That was Ocho released right now.

Excuse me.

That's a –

He got a lot of you, man.

He does.

He has a lot of you.

Yeah.

He twitchy.

He really twitchy.

Ooh, man.

82 to 58.

That's –

He's going to be nice and Duvall, man. to 58.

He's going to be nice and do ball, man.

Oh, yeah.

He's going to put them butts in the seats, boy.

Yeah.

He's going to put them in the seat.

I just hope they don't wear him down.

Kevin, how do you play him?

They're going to let him do what he wants now.

How do you play him? I build a package on offense, but he's playing defense. You drafted him as a DB to play receiver.
Oh, you getting ready to lose the rule? Lose what room? The receiver rule. Hi, and he better than what's there.
That ain't got nothing to do with my money. We ain't trying to do all that.
Really?

He better than what's them.

Really?

On both sides of the ball.

Okay, so now we're going to do this, aren't we?

I'm just telling you.

Hold on.

You've been in them rooms.

Yeah.

What receiver you know don't mind sharing the ball?

What receiver you know is okay with you making a catch?

Well, it don't matter.

I mean, at the end of the day, I think it's always like this when you're a rookie coming in. Oh, yeah.
You got to prove it. He don't.
You got to prove it. I ain't just finna, you know, just take it.
I understand. Look, your position is here.
You're here for the next three years. But I'm still going to make it work.
Or they're going to put me on the other side. Yeah, one of the others.
I ain't going to the bench. Hold on.
Who are the receivers in Jacksonville right now? Man, they got – Brian Thomas. Oh, my God.
Never mind. I'll take that back.
Now. Hold on.
He's the second best receiver in Jacksonville. You think Brian Thomas going to be happy seeing him coming through? Brian Thomas Jr.
No. That's some good help, though.
Yeah. That's some good help.
Brian, he's not better than Brian Thomas Jr. I know that.
Let me ask you a question. Now, with that being said.
How did I forget that? Do you pair him with Brian Thomas and let him play limited snaps on defense and let him play? That's what I would do. Nah.
That's what I would. Brian Thomas Jr.
can carry that load by by himself Because he did it last year The question is Let's see what Jacksonville does day two They ain't got no second round pick They gave that up when they moved up So they ain't got no second round pick So there you go He'll receive him He'll receive him They gotta be Man you see Gil's son? Yeah. Yeah.
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Wow, that right there.

Okay.

Mm, mm, mm, mm. Jazz.
Crazy. Jazz keep Kayvon Thibodeau.
We'll exercise to the... Like, why would...
Why would they not keep Thibodeau? You got him on the field. You're optioned.
Why would you not keep him? Right. I'm not, I mean, anybody surprised by that? No.
Not at all. I don't think so either.
No. Not at all.
Not really. I mean, you got, you play him with Thibodeau on one side, you got Abdul Karthal on the other, and you got Big Lawrence in the middle.
Oh, you put them on both, put them both on the same side. And move them.
Right. Just, just twisting stunts.
You got big deck, big decks. You know, he gonna hold it down in the middle.
Astrid, right. Big decks a good one.
I mean, I like, I like what the draft is. I do too.
Cause you gotta, you gotta go hunt. I do too.
You gotta, you gotta hunt Jalen, Jalen, uh, uh, Hurts. You gotta hunt, uh, uh, uh, uh, Jane Daniels.
You gotta go hunt that. Hurts.
You got to hunt Jane Daniels.

You got to go hunt Dak.

Well, I think you definitely got to look at Washington and Philly

because their quarterbacks are moving.

You definitely got to have somebody that can move with them.

Yeah.

I don't think Dak is going to move as much as those two,

but those two in Philly and Washington, you need some folks that can go get them.

All right, look.

This was the worst kept secret ever.

Yeah.

What, Ken?

Very.

Yeah.

I mean, think about it.

At this pro day, they canceled all the other drinks.

Come on, Ocho. We know what we're doing.
We've seen enough. Mm-hmm.
I like it. I like this pick.
Look, I like the top picks. Does he play his first year?

Oh, yeah, he play it.

Wait, in Tennessee?

Yeah.

He gonna have to.

I think he may even play day one.

So you don't think he sits a year?

Not at number one.

No, you don't sit number one. Number one gets off the bus.
They did Carson. Yeah.
But they don't do that sits a year? Not at number one. No, you don't sit number one.

Number one gets off the bus.

They did Carson.

Yeah.

But they don't do that no more. Yeah.
Lamar? Yeah, Lamar. But Flacco came off a Super Bowl.
That's right. It's hard to bitch a quarterback that won Super Bowls.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And, you know, look, you can think and say what you want,

but Joe Flacco's better than Will Nevis.

Yeah, by far.

Gee, Mahomes, he sat behind Alex Smith.

Alex Smith, yeah.

Alex Smith was number one overdraft pick.

They were in the playoffs the year before.

Right. Wow.
And think about it. All the playoff success that they had, Andy still traded up to take him number 10.
Yeah. You see how the four were thinking? I know what this offense is, but it could be so much better.
Man, I got Kelsey. I got Tyreek.
He saw it. But sometimes as a coach, you got to do things that's unconventional.
Man, you just went to the playoffs. Man, you got Alex Smith playing so well.
But I know what this offense can be. I see what it is, but I know what it can be.
If I get me somebody that'll push the ball down the field, that's not afraid to take chances, because, you know, I've named him Checkdown Alex. Yeah.
So, I... Oh, I can't believe what they did.
Pistons. What happened? Pistons lost by two.
Jalen Brunson probably did something incredible. Look at that.
12 and4. Cat had 31.
What K do? Did K go crazy? K, 24-11. Hardaway Jr., 24.
Okay. Okay.
It was like a grizzly. Grizzlies, you're on some fight.
They trying. Oh, it's still a lot of game to go.
Yeah, it is. Jha must be going crazy or Jaron Jackson.
Pippin jr jaron yeah i like this when the clippers yeah the nuggets they are Yogi's got a triple-double already. I'm not...
I'm... I mean, this should do it, man.
I think... It'll be to see what social media has to say about Shadour falling.
No, it'll be interesting if Milrow go before him. Oh, my gosh.
If Milrow go before him. But it's possible.
Yes. It's possible.
Yes. yes i mean it's not like it's out of the realm of possibility this has been a collective effort media gm's owners but a simple fact they allowed so so is it because his last name sanders That's what you're saying? There's no other reason.
There's no other reason. Just turn the film on.
I want my quarterback confident because if he doesn't have that, he can't play. I don't care what his skill set is.
You got to have confidence. You got to be.
You just have to believe. Look, in pro sports, you have to believe you're the baddest mofo out here.
And I'm here for a reason.

And you got to be mentally strong and not allow the outside noise to get to you.

And that's hard, man.

That's hard.

And plus, you can't go press now, Ocho.

Yeah.

I can't show y'all what y'all missed in one game.

Yeah, but let's look at his – let's look at the history of those. Let's just say he and Milrow, just to throw out two names.
Right. He's always been the guy.
He's always been the guy. He's never been challenged.
I'm not saying that's good or bad. I'm just saying he's never had to show you that I am who you think I am or want me to be.
Right. Jalen Milrow was about to be a DV.
Let me ask you this. If I take Shadour and put him at Alabama and I take Milrow and put him at Colorado, you think Alabama has a better record or a worse record with Shadour? I'm going to say a worse record because Shadour doesn't run enough or run more.

I think with Milrow's legs, and I think he throws it accurately enough

in college football for that team to be successful if Nick Saban

is still coaching and no diss on Coach DeVore.

But I just think that when you look at what Nick had him do,

he was very good at what Jalen Milrow is.

I don't know if Shadour could take an Alabama offense

because he doesn't run enough.

College football is all about the legs, man.

You got to use those legs.

Milrow ain't running in Colorado with that offense a lie. No, Melroy would have been running in Colorado with that offensive line.
Yeah, he would have been running. He wasn't gonna complete 74% of his throws.
I know that. He might not have 10 touchdowns behind that offensive line.
I agree with that. I'll agree with that.
He'll have a thousand yards rushing, though. Or two thousand yards rushing.
I kind of disagree a little bit. Where? Obviously, they're in Alabama.
Just say hypothetically, if the players have switched, there's no Travis Hunter in Alabama. But I think collectively as a group.
Williams ain't bad, though. No.
No. No, but that's what I'm saying.
See, in that – you got to look at how the conference is built.

The conference is built.

You see Georgia, you see all them D-line with the edge rushers.

You got to be able to move a quarterback.

Georgia.

Ole Miss.

I mean, you got to be able to move it.

You got to be able to move.

If you look at all the quarterbacks in the SEC, they can throw it.

Even if he can't do it with his legs, he's a better throw of the ball than the row is. Yeah.
Yeah, but we're going to attack that weakness. See, when you are dual threat, it's hard to attack a weakness because we don't know which one it is.
But if you can't run, you're going to be standing back there? Oh, yeah, we're getting to that. Our conference is built on getting to that.
Right. That is an interesting situation, though.
If you had to put some money, what do you think you're doing into? Now, here's the thing. I'm going with the Rams.
I'm staying. The shock is going to be if he slides out of the second round.
We already, we surprised. Right.
That he slid out of the first round. We would be shocked.
I gasped. But if we slide again, I wouldn't even know what to say.
I wouldn't even know what to say. Second round? Saints? Rams.
Saints? Rams. Can I go back to college? Saints or Rams? Can I get my eligibility back and go back to college? It's got to be one of those, too.
Saints or Rams. Yeah.
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