Nightcap - Hour 1: Lakers beat Timberwolves, Thunder beat Grizzlies & Pacers beat Bucks to go up 2-0!

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Speaker 2 Bounce back. Now, what I'm talking about: the Lakers beat the Minnesota Timberwolves 94-85.
The series is now tied 1-1 as it shifts to Minnesota for the next two games.

Speaker 2 Luca was one assist short of a triple-double. 31, 12, and 9.
LeBron, 21, 11, and 7.

Speaker 2 Uh, AR, 16, 5, and 5. Rui, 11 and 5.
Got a balanced effort. Oh, Joe, that's what we needed.
I knew two of the big three had to go off. I mean, I'm saying big three, but I'm saying either Luca,

Speaker 2 LeBron, or AR LeBron, or Luca and A.R., but two of those guys had to have great dates.

Speaker 2 And we got that. And then we got Austin Reeves with sensational light

Speaker 2 dealing with the ball. Hey, you get a big idea on him.
He drag him. Yeah, he played that lazy lip.
Yeah, every time.

Speaker 2 Julius Randall played exceptionally well. So did that.
Julius Randle was a man of, I mean, he's a load.

Speaker 2 He's a load. And I don't know why y'all let him get to that left hand because he's left-hand dominant.
And most left-handed players, what do they want to do, Ocho? Get to that left hand.

Speaker 2 Every time. Every time.

Speaker 2 What if you, if, if in defense, as a football player, we're taught never let a quarterback escape to his dominant hand. Yeah.
So if he's right-handed, make him roll left.

Speaker 2 If he's left-handed, make him roll right. Well, and it's the same thing.
Try to make James Harden, try to make Julius Randall, make him go left, make him go right.

Speaker 2 Keep him out of the way, dominant hand. But this is what the Lakers needed.

Speaker 2 Had a little lull there in the fourth quarter, but they got it together, made some big-time plays.

Speaker 2 I was happy to see LeBron rebound like this because we hadn't seen him rebound like this in a while, considering that growing. And we talked about it, Ocho.

Speaker 2 The one thing that you don't want to do is anything sudden when you got a soft tissue iss injury and uh he's nursing that back trying to get it back but he got a couple days off now so he should be fully rested and ready to go and head to minnesota um the lakers win 94 85 series now tied 1-1 as it shifts back to the the great uh what do they call it land of 10 000 lakes minnesota ojo you watching this game tell me what you what what you liked about what you saw from the lakes shoot the goddamn intensity they act like they wanted to play tonight huh they act like they wanted to be there there was intensity on both sides of the court.

Speaker 2 Most importantly, they played defense. They played defense.
Luca was going to do what Luca does. LeBron showed up tonight.
Obviously, he didn't have a good game one.

Speaker 2 Most of them didn't have a good game one outside of goddamn Luca, but they played good in transition, offensively, crashing the boards. LeBron, obviously, he must be feeling much better because

Speaker 2 we haven't seen him rebound like this tonight, you know, all over the place.

Speaker 2 Outside of that, man, AR, they are a combination of players need to play well tonight because of what they did in game one and not playing so well collectively as a group.

Speaker 2 But AR showed up, Braun showed up, Lucas showed up, and everybody else contributed

Speaker 2 in a small manner. So this is what you get.
You get a tied series, but they got to keep this up, huh? They got to keep up that momentum and consistency that we saw tonight.

Speaker 2 If I'm not mistaken, I think the Lakers were shooting 61% at the half. I could be wrong, but correct me if I'm right.
They cooled off a little bit, but they were.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but man, man, that first half was beautiful. And to extend the game to the point where it was at the half and getting the lead that they

Speaker 2 did have, that lull in the fourth quarter didn't hurt him much.

Speaker 2 No, I'm trying. I'm pulling the box score, Ojo.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Do you look at the difference in game one compared to game two for the

Speaker 2 T-Wolves? Right. Only two players in double figure.
Remember,

Speaker 2 who's that? Jaden Daniels was perfect, damn near perfect from the three-point line. Nas Reed, damn near perfect from the three-point line.

Speaker 2 So you had two guys that gave you exceptional play from the three-point line on the offensive end. Now you only had two guys in double figures.
That's how you're going to win.

Speaker 2 And see, like I said, I don't believe Ant-Man by himself

Speaker 2 can be.

Speaker 2 But if you let him get eight, nine, 10 assists, and you let you,

Speaker 2 now

Speaker 2 you're in for it. Right.
Guys, guys was making shoot around threes. You can't give them no shoot around threes.
You got to contest those shots.

Speaker 2 And I thought the Lakers did a great job of contesting, closing out to the body, not filing, running them off the three-point line. But Nas Reed, Nas Reed did not have an opportunity to shoot those

Speaker 2 shooter round threes. McDaniels didn't have an opportunity to shoot those shots.

Speaker 2 DiVincenzo was in foul trouble. And so he really didn't get an opportunity to get in the floor of the grave, although he just hit that shot before the end of the half.

Speaker 2 That was really all he did the other night.

Speaker 2 In this game, this is what I like to see from the Lakers. They need a balance.
I mean, it was okay.

Speaker 2 Still, I need a little bit more from the bench. I need a little bit more from the bench, especially going on the road, OJo.
Yeah, most definitely.

Speaker 2 Especially going on the road.

Speaker 2 Listen, the fact, the defense,

Speaker 2 defense. They were scrappy,

Speaker 2 defense, defense. Them boys were scrappy tonight, boy.
You could tell they played different. They wanted it.
They wanted it. You can just tell.

Speaker 2 I'm not sure what the difference is in game one and game two, but this looked like a completely different team. Completely different team.
Yeah, because you look at Mike Connolly.

Speaker 2 You know, he had some big threes in game one, OJo. He had zero points tonight.
Got some great cardio in. Just 21 minutes of cardio.
Now, hey, that's pretty good.

Speaker 2 Continuous running cardio, you know, probably fasted cardio too. Now, he ate little something today, a couple of meals a day.
But Ant-Man was 10 of 22. He had 25 points, six rebounds.

Speaker 2 The other night he had nine assists. Tonight he had none.
You see? I told you, Ocho, I said, hey.

Speaker 2 You can't let him get the others involved. See, what Luca hurts you is Luca go get 40 and then he gives you 12.

Speaker 2 LeBron,

Speaker 2 he gives you 20 of Jokic. Those guys give you 20, 30, and give you 11, 12

Speaker 2 assists.

Speaker 2 Not only are they getting theirs, they're helping somebody else eat also.

Speaker 2 Now, Adman, he had 25, zero assists.

Speaker 2 LeBron the other night only had three assists. That's not nearly good enough.
And LeBron, LeBron is a smart enough player.

Speaker 2 He has a high enough IQ to realize if I got to be able to impact the game in other ways other than scoring. So I need to rebound.
I need to assist.

Speaker 2 If my jumper's not falling, if I can't get to the basket, I've got to impact the game in other ways. Right.
Tonight was a this is the kind of game I'm not like 21 points.

Speaker 2 I mean, we know LeBron uh uh can get can get 21 points anytime he wants to, right?

Speaker 2 But I thought the effort that he showed, the leadership that he showed, he and Luca combined for 52 with 23 rebounds and 16 assists. So you throw Austin Reeves in there.
Now you got what? uh

Speaker 2 six eight

Speaker 2 eight 68 points between those three And you need something like that. You need about somewhere between like 65 and 75 between those.

Speaker 2 I'll take 80, but I ain't going to be greedy. 65 to 75.
And then you get Rui doing it, give you a little something. And if Finney Smith and Gabe Vincent can give you anything,

Speaker 2 you'll take that also. Luca, 31 points, 12 rebounds, nine assists.
The first Laker since Magic with those numbers in a playoff game.

Speaker 2 Hey, that boy, that boy, nice man.

Speaker 2 Every time he puts up a performance like this, this game.

Speaker 2 Better what you saying, Ocho. Don't you say nothing about it? I would hear you say Dallas or Fabric.
Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. I was going to say, or Dico or Harrison.

Speaker 2 Okay, but it just make look some of the things he's saying, understand that he has to fall on the sword. It just makes him look ridiculous.
Every game they play,

Speaker 2 it looks worse and worse. So, I mean, I mean, that's, I'll leave it alone.
I ain't going to say nothing then. I ain't going to say nothing.
I get it. I get it.

Speaker 2 It is tough. It's tough.
Like I said, I mean, you look at a guy like this. He's 26 years of age, Ocho.
He can do it all. He can score.
He can rebound. He can facilitate.

Speaker 2 He can make, you know, look,

Speaker 2 except he's going to argue damn near every play.

Speaker 2 Except that

Speaker 2 he's not an exceptional defender. All we ask him to do is don't get beat on the initial push.

Speaker 2 A. He tried to beat you on the first go.
Shut that off.

Speaker 2 Just don't give, A, just don't give him a free reign. Just don't give him a free run to the basket.
Yeah. Make him go to the second.

Speaker 2 That's all we ask. That's all you can ask for.
Because you know what he's going to give you offensively. Offensively, excuse me.
You already know that, old Joe. Every time.

Speaker 2 So I'm not worried about him on the offensive end. It's just that you try to put, and that's what they normally do, unless you were Jordan or COVID, LeBron back in his heyday.
Yeah. You put your best

Speaker 2 offensive player on your worst defensive player. I want you to save some of that.
I don't want you exerting all that energy trying to

Speaker 2 stop him. We'll put somebody else on him.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 So we need that for offense because that's what, you know, Larry played the worst defender because Larry Bird was an offensive player. And I get it.
I ain't got no problem with that whatsoever.

Speaker 2 But this was a great performance. The Lakers needed this.
The crowd was really energized.

Speaker 2 I'm glad I didn't go to that

Speaker 2 Saturday night game because I'd have been pissed off. I'd have been out of my money.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 I'd have had to stay

Speaker 2 two extra nights.

Speaker 2 Nah.

Speaker 2 You're going to be mad.

Speaker 2 So hold on, hold your spend that count up. You talk about spending $25 for a ticket? Yeah.

Speaker 2 Okay. Now you got to spend an extra, you know, two nights at the hotel and you get a car, got to get a car service to wait for you.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Huh? And I got to pay for Jordan to stay because Jordan, Jordan got to do.

Speaker 2 Nah, hell, nah. We coming back.
We cover hold. Oh, so

Speaker 2 what we looking like right now? What are we looking like? Is still Lakers in five? I mean, what? What are we talking about?

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 All right.

Speaker 2 I know you're feeling good. I know you're feeling good.

Speaker 2 Y'all were talking crazy. Oh, y'all were talking.
I don't know about that.

Speaker 2 Wood in five.

Speaker 2 Look,

Speaker 2 hey, all we did had was a temporary setback for a major comeback.

Speaker 2 That's all we had on y'all. joe looks a little temporary little temporary setback for a major comeback

Speaker 2 but i i like the i like the pace in which they played i like the tempo i like the guys hustling i saw guys hitting the floor i got guy i got guys running guys off the line yeah i got guys helping i hey i got guys going the extra mile hey

Speaker 2 i can

Speaker 2 There's nothing wrong with losing. Somebody's going to lose.
But just give me the effort.

Speaker 2 If we lose and you give me that effort, OJo, you can live with that. Every time.
I can live with it. I can live with that.
But

Speaker 2 not game one. You can't live with that.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no. You should have been ready to play.

Speaker 2 Because normally game one is the easiest game to steal for the road team.

Speaker 2 Normally the game, the game one is the easiest because you're going to catch them napping because the home team is generally counting on the crowd to get them going or to keep them going.

Speaker 2 So now if we can jump on your ass, get that crowd out the game, not what? And before you know it, you're like, damn, we down 20 we down 25 and it takes so much for you to get back into the game

Speaker 2 by the time you try to make get over that hump yeah it's too late you done ran out of time too

Speaker 2 yeah but i like this i thought jj did a great job of getting the guys he said um

Speaker 2 I heard him at his press conference. They had as good a practice over the last couple of days they've had in the last month.
He took full accountability.

Speaker 2 What I think about JJ now, he's going to take accountability. Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah. He probably could have thrown a few more scrimmages up in there.

Speaker 2 This me, this on me. And the funny thing apart, when you think about it, whoever made the comments about them not scrimmaging enough before the game one, I guarantee that was a player's call.

Speaker 2 I guarantee it was a player's call and allowing them to wrest a little bit. And JJ took the brunt of that.
You know what? That's on me. That's on me.

Speaker 2 And I guarantee you, I know it was a players call, not the scrimmages much. So we have fresh legs and we feel good going into game one.
But the effort they put up in game one

Speaker 2 is a reflection

Speaker 2 every time. That'll get you sent home.
That'll get you like, oh, we didn't play our best ball.

Speaker 2 Look,

Speaker 2 they're not an extreme. They're not like Boston.
They're not like OKC. Those are deep teams.

Speaker 2 You're looking at the Cavs. Those are deep teams.
That's not what the Lakers are. The Lakers are heavily dependent on three players, Luca, Reeves, and Ron.
We understand that.

Speaker 2 Anything we get outside of that is going to be great. We greatly appreciate and we will

Speaker 2 humbly accept.

Speaker 2 But you can't go in counting on, man, you know, hey, we will get like 16 from Finney. We're going to get like 10 to 14 from Gabe.
Jackson Hayes is going to give us a double.

Speaker 2 No. Yeah.

Speaker 2 The big three has to be

Speaker 2 65, 80 points.

Speaker 2 Two of the three needs to be kind of efficient. But

Speaker 2 it was a great game tonight.

Speaker 2 Lakers played. This is what I expect to see from the Lakers.
And

Speaker 2 we're going to Minnesota. Atlanta 10,000 Lakes.

Speaker 2 We're going to pee in the lakes. All 10,000 of them.

Speaker 2 Oh, let's go.

Speaker 2 Maybe we go out there and take a plunge in Lake Minnetonka. Hey,

Speaker 2 huh? What do you see the weather is in minnesota right now

Speaker 2 it's close to green bay so hell it might be in the 40s or the 50s oh choke oh that's perfect weather there too but you ever swam in 40 you listen if we can get in if we can get in if we can get in the cold tub we can get it we can get in the lake 40 50 ain't nothing wrong with that no

Speaker 2 no i'll i don't know it's one thing to be sitting in a cold tub but to be in the cold water yeah i mean it didn't it didn't bother me because when i was at state a lot of time the hot water would go out and so you knew exactly when the hot water would go out because somebody's like, damn.

Speaker 2 Loud. Yep.

Speaker 2 Because, you know, we had community showers on Joe. We had no showers in our house.

Speaker 2 We had community showers.

Speaker 2 All you heard was, man, damn, this hot new water.

Speaker 2 I remember growing up. I remember growing up at grandma's house, man.

Speaker 2 If you in the shower, The first thing you say before you get in the shower is, do not flush the toilet because if you flush the toilet, it's going to turn, it's going to make the water, it's going going to make the water cold.

Speaker 2 Lo and behold, they wait till you get in the shower and want to play games.

Speaker 2 Go on and flush the toilet. Hey, Joe, we had that problem.

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 2 We wouldn't no shower in the house. Wasn't no flush of the toilet.

Speaker 2 He was outside, bro, in the wood. He don't have no problem like that.

Speaker 2 I guess who you brought up, OJo, that was a great problem to have, huh? Yeah, it is. It is.
Nah, we didn't have that problem.

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Speaker 2 The Thunder take a commanding 2-0 lead over the Grizzlies. SGA 27-8-5.
J-Dove 24-6-5. Chet 20-11-5 11, and 5 blocks.

Speaker 2 The Thunders had the lead for all, but for three minutes and two seconds of the 96 minutes over the first two games.

Speaker 2 They've done it despite SGA scoring only 42 points on 14 of 42 shooting and going four of 17 from three.

Speaker 2 Tonight, I thought it was J-Dubb that really sparked him. He and Chet got it going early.

Speaker 2 For whatever reason, SGA has struggled with his shot a little bit, Ocho. He hasn't been to SGA because he shot over 50% from the floor.

Speaker 2 He's got 42 points scored, but he took him 42 shots to get it.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah,

Speaker 2 he wasn't efficient tonight. No, he wasn't efficient

Speaker 2 the first game either. And they blew him, beat him by 51.
He only beat him up, what, 18, 19 tonight? And he still hadn't played his best game.

Speaker 2 Hey, hey, that's scary. It's just a matter of time.
Yeah, it is.

Speaker 2 He's going to be on most of the, most, some of the greats, most of the greats, they always have games like this, but they'll make you forget about it. They'll make you forget about it.

Speaker 2 And probably going into game three, he's probably going to show up and really close this thing out. I even tweeted, obviously, the blowout by 51 in the first game.

Speaker 2 And I'm thinking to myself, in John Moran, understanding how great a player he is, how good he can be, how explosive he can be, I tweeted, can

Speaker 2 the Grizzlies pull this and make it a seven-game series?

Speaker 2 Is there any chance? No. And Twitter jumped on my head like, man, this is over.
Bring the booms out. Yeah.
And then, and obviously I'm thinking, and I'm seeing the tweets, and

Speaker 2 I saw the comparison about SGA and John Morant, and how they say every year you see improvement in SGA's game.

Speaker 2 And then, John Morant, they say they don't see improvement in him on the court. And

Speaker 2 I'm curious for those who analyze the game of basketball and watch it that close, how do you say something like that with an individual who doesn't have much help around him?

Speaker 2 He is, he is the force, he is the force. He is always making Grizzlies.
So how can you say he's not improving? You know,

Speaker 2 they got an all-star defensive player of the year and Jaron Jackson, who hadn't played well, Desmond Bain. Yeah.
But I mean, they got rid of Big Adams and they got Zach Zach Eady.

Speaker 2 But this is the way their team is constructed. This is the way their team is constructed, don't you?

Speaker 2 A lot of it has to do with

Speaker 2 a lot of it is John's own doing. You know, he had to get the suspensions, two of those.
He's been injured a lot. So, you know, it's hard to get better when you're rehabbing because you're rehabbing.

Speaker 2 You're just trying to get back to the point as opposed to when you train, you try to get better. Right.
See, rehab trying to get you back to your original state.

Speaker 2 Well, getting me back to my original state doesn't improve me. Right.
Okay. I need improvement.
So I need to train. Okay, I got you.
I got you. I got you.
I got you. Yeah.

Speaker 2 So that's the thing I mean thinking about he had the shoulder. He's been dealing with, he's been dealing with some stuff.

Speaker 2 So hopefully he can come out of this season healthy and he can just, you know, take him a a month off, get back in the gym and beat a job. Look,

Speaker 2 Josh's supposed to be an all-star. Now, it's not easy because you're in the West.
Steph, Shea, a Harden. You got Jamar Murray.
You had a Fox Deer and Fox.

Speaker 2 You got Luca. Yeah.
So it's not easy to make it as a guard in the West. Yeah, but you got to understand this would be his last time being in the West.

Speaker 2 So he's going to be an all-star because he's going to be in the East next year. Where are you going? Huh? Where are you going? Oh, come on over down here to Tussies with your boy.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you're going to be right down here in the southeast with your boy. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I know. I know John going to see this, babe.
We got you, baby, right here in the 305 now. Yes, sir.

Speaker 2 Listen, I love Memphis. I love Memphis.
No disrespect to them. I know they have a series to play right now, but come on home.

Speaker 2 John, come on. Come on.

Speaker 2 The Oklahoma City Thunder has now won six games against Memphis this season by combining 145 points. That's a 24.2

Speaker 2 point differential. It's not fair, though, Unk.
It's not fair.

Speaker 2 The start of the five is strong. The bench is strong.

Speaker 2 They deep.

Speaker 2 If Jay ain't not on, he goes shit acting a fool.

Speaker 2 There's always somebody to counter if someone else isn't playing well, as opposed to Memphis. Okay, y'all got to be on.
If Ja not on, okay, Desmond Bain, we gonna carry carry us.

Speaker 2 Okay, if Desmond Bain on, now

Speaker 2 we're giving a production from. Right.
You're right, OKC Deep. You got Zayo Joe, you got Wiggins, you got

Speaker 2 Caruso, you got Lou Dort chipping in. I mean, you got some guys

Speaker 2 that play extremely well. They play extremely well.

Speaker 2 And when, like I said,

Speaker 2 and the thing is, SGA hadn't been on. And they're still winning these games.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 I mean, think about it. They won by 51, and I think they won by 19 tonight.

Speaker 2 So that's 35 points that they won by in two games. It's exactly 35 points because they won by 70 games, which is the second most of the first two games, because I think the Lakers won by 74.

Speaker 2 So, yeah.

Speaker 2 Man, that's crazy.

Speaker 2 That's crazy. So, but they play, look.
We know what the thunder represent. In that building, they've always been tough in that building to cry.
It's the only show in town, Ocho. Yeah,

Speaker 2 there ain't no other proteins. Um, you know, you got college and ain't nothing going on.

Speaker 2 I mean, you close to Norman, um, you know, Okie State and stuff like that, but ain't nothing, ain't nothing, ain't nothing else going on. So they're rabid about their basketball

Speaker 2 and rightfully so. And they, they've had something, you know, Shea has blossomed.
Because can you imagine when they had Russ and they had Harden, they had

Speaker 2 KD, they had

Speaker 2 Obaka, they had Schroeder,

Speaker 2 They were loaded. And then, you know, obviously KD left and Surge left and James Harden left.
Well, James Harden was the first to leave.

Speaker 2 Oh, they had,

Speaker 2 excuse me, they had Reggie Jackson. That's what I meant to say.
Reggie Jackson. Ready Jack.
And Reggie played with the Clippers too, right? He played with the Clippers. Yes.
Where is he?

Speaker 2 Where Reggie at now? I don't know if he's in the league. Last year, he played with.

Speaker 2 The Nuggets, I think. Okay.
I think he played with the Nuggets last year. But

Speaker 2 it was,

Speaker 2 they had it rolling. And now that they're rolling again with SGA and,

Speaker 2 you know, J-Dub, you got Chet, you got Hardenstein.

Speaker 2 Guys understand their role.

Speaker 2 They do their role to the max, to the fullest. Right.

Speaker 2 This is a good team. This is a good team.
Now, don't get me wrong, you know, but I still

Speaker 2 got them.

Speaker 2 Got them.

Speaker 2 Wait, say it again, say it again, say it again. I ain't here.
I ain't here.

Speaker 2 Lakers and five.

Speaker 2 All right. Be careful, man.
Listen, you know, it's

Speaker 2 much more difficult to win in Minnesota. Playing away, that's a different ball game.
It is. It is.
It's a different ballgame.

Speaker 2 We ain't thinking about the thunder. Okay.

Speaker 2 It ain't summer. We ain't got no thunderstorm, so we ain't worried about the thunder right now.

Speaker 2 We focus. We tunnel vision.
We focus on Minnesota. So, y'all got to get past Minnesota first.
Because the next two,

Speaker 2 how many, how many games in Minnesota? Two or three? Two. Well, it's three total, but we're going to take, we're going to take two of these.
We ain't coming back to go back.

Speaker 2 We ain't going back. Our job is once we come home, not to return.

Speaker 2 Oh, so you, so basically, what you tell, basically, what you're telling me, and basically what you're telling me, you're telling the chat, the Lakers gonna win the next two games in Minnesota.

Speaker 2 That's our goal. Oh, that's your goal, but

Speaker 2 you don't sound very confident.

Speaker 2 There we go. I definitely think, I definitely, I know we getting them game three for sure.
Okay.

Speaker 2 Once we get game three, might as well get sweepstakes.

Speaker 2 Hey, Ocho, you going to the store? Hey, oh Joe, grab me a pack of bench and hedges. Yeah.
You going to the store? What the fuck you going? Did you say bench and hedges? Yeah.

Speaker 2 What you know about bench and hedges, man? Hey, that's so throbbed.

Speaker 2 I think my grandma used to smoke them, man.

Speaker 2 It was the white with the green, with the green at the top, right? Yeah, yeah, man. She used to send me to the store to get them things for her back in the day.
That's crazy. Missing hedges.

Speaker 2 I ain't heard that in years.

Speaker 2 Man, I don't even know about, I don't know, nobody smoked those. I mean,

Speaker 2 I mean, people don't smoke. They don't see maybe they do, but I don't see as many people smoking as it did when I was a kid.
Because you know, you used to smoke.

Speaker 2 You can smoke in restaurants, everywhere, on a plane.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you can smoke on the plane. I'm on the remember you can smoke on the plane yeah

Speaker 2 glad they cut that bull drive out now that they know they need to bring that but you know about them palm mall and them winston them salem them virginia slims yeah i don't know nothing about that i know about them damn benson hedges because grandma used to send me to listen i never i never forget grandma used to send me to the corner store 45th and 10th avenue

Speaker 2 no 45th and 12th right right there right right there to get them benzene i never forget never forget

Speaker 2 the pacers beat the buck ruined dames Dollar return. He hadn't played in over a month.
But the Pacers win 123, 115. The Pacers now lead the series 2-0.

Speaker 2 For the second game in the row, the Pacers had ballot scoring, six players in double figures. Pascal Siaka, Tyrese Halliburton, Miles Turner, Aaron Ness Smith, Nimhard, and Benedict McBurn.

Speaker 2 They're deep. Very.
They are. They're a deep team.
They're a ballot team. TJ McCollin didn't get in on the action because he normally gives you double figures, but that's the thing.

Speaker 2 And although

Speaker 2 Giannis and Bobby Porter's played extremely well, you know, Dame is trying to work his way back into it. He's been off a month.
Yeah. You know, I'm sure I don't know how much he was doing with

Speaker 2 that blood clot, but, you know,

Speaker 2 let's see how the first, let's see how game three goes. Right.
Because he's got, you know, try to get his leg because I don't think he played. He didn't play much more than 20 plus minutes.

Speaker 2 It's going to be very interesting to see how does he feel. Probably a little sore, Ocho.

Speaker 2 You know, when you don't do something for a month, yeah, and you a little sore, and then you can, then you come back, then you come back.

Speaker 2 Obviously, you practice, you practice, you get it in, but playing and practicing and playing the game is completely different, especially after being off a whole month.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you got to get listen, you said the right thing. You got to get your legs back up underneath you because it's different.
It's a different ballgame.

Speaker 2 You can run a hundred gases and practice all you want.

Speaker 2 Game time

Speaker 2 is different. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Giannis averaging 35, 15, and 4, shooting 65% from the floor, but he finds himself down 0-2.

Speaker 2 I think the thing is that

Speaker 2 they're saying, look, let Giannis score. We just got to keep everything else under control.
Everybody else. Because that assist total, that's what I'm looking at.

Speaker 2 You go back and look at them when they made this run late in the season.

Speaker 2 It was because Giannis was damn near averaging a triple-double every game, or his assist total was way up there, seven, eight, nine. Sometimes he had 11, 12 assists.
Now it's like, okay, get yours.

Speaker 2 Ain't nobody else eating. You get your belly full.
I mean, eat all you want to. Right.
Ain't nobody else eating.

Speaker 2 Bobby Porter's played well tonight. They needed one other guy.
And now they can get, if they can get Giannis and Bobby to play like this,

Speaker 2 I don't know when they play tonight. It's Tuesday, so they probably play Friday.

Speaker 2 If they play Friday, Saturday, and they can get Bobby and Giannis to play like this and get Dame to give them a little bit more than what he gave tonight,

Speaker 2 they're going to be all right. They're going to be all right.
Because the thing is, is that Indy, Indy is,

Speaker 2 think about it. You got all these guys in double figures.
That's how they win.

Speaker 2 They don't have a situation where a guy is going to go get you 30 or 40. They're going to have a bunch of 20.
You know, one guy might have 25, and he's going to have 20, 19, 17, 16, 15.

Speaker 2 They play the numbers game on Yocho.

Speaker 2 You know, where you have, like a Giannis, Yannis gonna get you 50, 14, and 6.

Speaker 2 Every time. Consistently.

Speaker 2 Kind of like what OKC. Shea might get you, Shea.
Gonna give you 30, but J Dub going to give you 22. Chance going to give you 15.
Hardenstein going to give you 8. You know, Lou Doherty gave you 10.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 They just chop you up. You get Isaiah Joe, and you got

Speaker 2 Wiggins. We know Wallace.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 so

Speaker 2 it's going to be an interesting series. I like this.
I like the back and forth between Halliburton and

Speaker 2 Name. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Where that stem from? Where does that stem from? Thanks, I got something for you. You're doing a lot of talking.
You know, today,

Speaker 2 the poll came out, and Tyrese Halliburton was voted the most overrated player. Overrated? That's what they say.
That's what the players say.

Speaker 2 It all depends on who's doing the vote. Now, we talk about the fans, and we talk about

Speaker 2 the players voted Tyrese Halliburton the most overrated player in the NBA. The players.

Speaker 2 You believe that? You believe that?

Speaker 2 Do you really believe the players actually take into account that poll and take it actually seriously well somebody voted now they said it was the players i ain't got i ain't finna go back here i ain't finna say you know and getting myself in no trouble right and talk about no dominion no dominion and the ballots were stuffed and then the other league accounting but all i'm saying is is that

Speaker 2 i don't yeah i don't like that i don't like that Man, they have these polls all the time, Bocho. What you talking about?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I know they have these polls all the time, but you never hear about players actually taking these goddamn polls. You notice that? The players do all the talking all the time.

Speaker 2 They got, you know, they do podcasts, they talk to media, and we have not once heard players say, you know what, I've actually voted for so-and-so when a certain poll came around about a certain statistical category.

Speaker 2 Never.

Speaker 2 Now, I remember Pro Bo voting. I remember that.

Speaker 2 Outside of that, all these other voting and all these other categories they always have, for some reason, I've never seen any player talk about it, whether it be football or basketball.

Speaker 2 But, Ocho, think about it now. What do they have now, Ocho? The top 100 players.
Somebody got to vote. So who voting on that?

Speaker 2 Ain't no telling. Honestly.
They say the player. I mean, all I know is they, when they go, they vote and they play a such and such and such and such.
So I don't know. Yeah.

Speaker 2 But somebody voting for that. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I think they. And as a player, you can't vote for a player on your own team.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 I don't see how they call Mr. Hallett Burton, you know, overrated.

Speaker 2 Played on Olympic team. He's the best player on the paces right now.
You know, I think. No, Siaka might be the best player.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I listen, I love Pascal Siakam.

Speaker 2 He's not better than Brother Halley Burton.

Speaker 2 You know,

Speaker 2 I ain't Doris Burke, but my eyes work. I watch the game and I watch the games.
I, you know, Pascal Siakam, nice. I used to watch him when he was with the Raptors.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Burke and Ernie.

Speaker 2 Which one which one which one got the round face which one got the little cone-shaped head on yo the round face yeah

Speaker 2 pascal

Speaker 2 that's Burke

Speaker 2 Nah

Speaker 2 Ernie got this cone-shaped head

Speaker 2 Ernie Ernie is the one that yellow Ernie the earnie one earnie one that's red

Speaker 2 got Burke

Speaker 2 I ain't seen but I ain't seen no yeah Ernie Ernie

Speaker 2 Ernie got the

Speaker 2 yeah Ernie got the Burke Burke got Burke Burke is the one with the

Speaker 2 red. That was right.
Burke. No, no, Burke is the one with the round face.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 you ain't seen the Muppets. I ain't seen Sesame Street in so long.
That's not Sesame Street. That's the Muppets, man.
Burton got that ballhawk.

Speaker 2 You heard me? Huh? That's the Muppets. Yes.

Speaker 2 It is the Muppets, right? Is it the Muppets?

Speaker 2 I don't know.

Speaker 2 Burke and Ernie.

Speaker 2 It's Burke. You talk about Burke.
It's Burke, B-E-R-T.

Speaker 2 Burton.

Speaker 2 Man, every time I look at these, man, every time I look at these dudes, man, I start laughing on you.

Speaker 2 What happened?

Speaker 2 I mean, I just be looking at them, man, and just like...

Speaker 2 Because the one with the round face always stayed in some bull jazz. He was always.

Speaker 2 Ernie and Bert.

Speaker 2 But it's Bert and Ernie.

Speaker 2 Bert.

Speaker 2 Hey, well, I need to turn it. Well, I got to turn it.
Yeah, well, I just wipe my face 337 times.

Speaker 2 Well, I don't know why you're sitting up in that as hot as it is.

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Speaker 2 Oh, Ocho.

Speaker 2 Dang.

Speaker 2 90 votes were cast.

Speaker 2 Ocho. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Who is the league's most overrated player? There were 90 votes cast. See,

Speaker 2 90 votes?

Speaker 2 Tyrese Halliburton was first. Rudy Gobert was second.
Trey Young was third. Jimmy Butler was fourth.
Bradley Bill, fifth. Draymar Greene, sixth.
John Morant, seventh. Julius Randall, eighth.

Speaker 2 Giannis, excuse me, no Joel and B, ninth. Giannis was 10th.
Now you see how I know this wasn't the players? This is how I know it wasn't the players.

Speaker 2 How you got Giannis on there? That's how you know it wasn't the players. Players ain't vote on that.

Speaker 2 That ain't nothing but the media. Ain't nothing but the media.
People having personal vendettas against certain players. Talk about the players voted on this.
The devil is a lie.

Speaker 2 Who is the MVP? There was 155 votes cast. Right.
Jake Yodis Alexander got 56% of the vote. Nicola.
Jokic got 37% of the vote. Giannis Antachumpo and Donovan Mitchell tied with 1.9% of the vote.

Speaker 2 And Goat James got 1.3% of the votes. Which team, other than your own, will win the NBA title this season? Boston Celtics got almost 58% of the votes.

Speaker 2 OKC Thunder got 18% of the votes, 17.5. The Cleveland Cavaliers got 10.2.
The Los Angeles Lakers got 6.6. And the Denver Nuggets got 4.4.

Speaker 2 Those and the Golden State Warriors and the Milwaukee Bucks tie with fifth.

Speaker 2 Five years from now, Ocho, who would be the the face of the league with 53 54 of the vote victor wimbinyama

Speaker 2 second with ant-man third shake yildjes

Speaker 2 fourth jason tatum five luka donchic

Speaker 2 i i like i like ant

Speaker 2 i like ant being the face that luca is great He still doesn't have that

Speaker 2 it factor, that aura that makes you the face of the league. Ant-Man has that it factor.
I don't know how to explain it. I don't know how to put it into words.

Speaker 2 The chat,

Speaker 2 if you listen to me, I'm sure you'd understand. If you don't understand, it would be hard for me to explain.

Speaker 2 Michael Jordan had that it factor. Kobe had that it factor.
You can't teach it. You can't coach it.
It's just in you. And just the way you carry yourself, the way you play the game.

Speaker 2 I don't know how to put the, I almost cursed. I'm sorry.
I don't know how to put it into words. You understand exactly what I mean.

Speaker 2 I'm trying to think. Jason Tatum, he's a great choice.
NBA champion, all-star, you know, MVP. But he, he just doesn't have that.

Speaker 2 There's something missing from that. Something missing from it? Yes, it's something.
I just don't, I don't, I don't, again, I don't know how to put it into words or explain it, but

Speaker 2 I like and you know what it is when you see it. Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah. It just,

Speaker 2 I don't know.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 got that, like,

Speaker 2 which is different. Yeah.
It's It's just different.

Speaker 2 What is the league's worst run organization? The Charlotte Hornets won this one very easily, 36% of the vote. The Washington Wizards was second with 20% of the vote.
The Pelicans, 11.5% of the votes.

Speaker 2 Sacramento Kings, 8.8% of the votes. The Philadelphia 76ers, 5.3%.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 the Dallas Mavericks at 4.4%.

Speaker 2 What you like on there?

Speaker 2 I can't fight him on the top three. Charlotte, Charlotte, huh?

Speaker 2 As far as the worst ram?

Speaker 2 Yeah, Charlotte. And Washington.

Speaker 2 They ain't got nothing wrong. Everybody that's up there, they deserve to be up there.

Speaker 2 Is it a fact that they can't get players to come play there?

Speaker 2 When the ones that play there, stay hurt.

Speaker 2 I mean, Lamello hurt every year, Ocho.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah. Hey, he nice, boy.
Boy, when Lamello on the floor, when he not, when he healthy.

Speaker 2 Okay, when?

Speaker 2 But LaMelo like that, boy. He got a girl.
His daddy said he needed to get, well, the team said he needed to get stronger. His dad has been saying he needs to get stronger.
Right.

Speaker 2 I mean, he got better.

Speaker 2 But I'm saying, the thing is, like, like Melo and

Speaker 2 Alonzo, they kind of built, they kind of like wiry frame.

Speaker 2 They ain't built built like labar labar played football right jello got labar's body right yeah hey but i i think if you if you put on if you put on muscle it would take away from his game his style

Speaker 2 but he got to get he got to get i mean i can it's it's one thing to be fan but don't you i mean every time i mean he go down i mean mellow missing 10 15 20 games a clip that's too much he's too young yeah

Speaker 2 I feel you. I mean, his frame is similar to Ja.
Ja was the same way. Allen Abbott was the same way as well.
You know, they weren't big. Yeah, but see, Ja, Ja spends so much time up in the air.

Speaker 2 So he coming down, he coming down, landing on that court.

Speaker 2 But AI was tough as wet leather, man, because AI was played like that. AI played.
I don't know how AI did it. Yeah.

Speaker 2 In the club all night, and then come out there and give him, oh, practice. I forgot.
He didn't do no practice.

Speaker 2 Oh, Joe, aside from your own current coach, who is the best coach in the league, Mark Dagnow, 21.8% of the vote. Kenny Atkinson, 13.6.
He had expostra. Tide, Joe Mazzoula, 12.2.
Ty Lou, 8.2.

Speaker 2 Steve Kerr, 4.7.

Speaker 2 Hell, J.J. Reddick even got some votes.
Michael Malone is no longer on the team. Wait, what happened? No longer coach of the team or Tyler Jenkins.
Both got relieved of their duties during the season.

Speaker 2 What happened to Ayma?

Speaker 2 Imi, Ami.

Speaker 2 I made Udoka 3.4% of the vote. Ah,

Speaker 2 JB Bickerstaff, 2.7, JJ 2.7, Michael Malone, 2.0. Chaucer Phillips, Taylor Jenkins, and Quinn Snyder each round out the final three at 1.4%.

Speaker 2 Who was first again?

Speaker 2 Mark Dagnow, OKC coach.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 That's about right. It's hard to argue that.
It's hard to argue that, but obviously, you know, it's really not.

Speaker 2 Okay, I don't want to be rude to say this, but when you have players like that when you have sga and the supporting cast he does when you have the bench that he does well then there's a coach you get to vote like that

Speaker 2 because you got you got you got got coaches getting fired most of the time it's i think it's a little bit different for nba because there's been some superstars that play together and coach still got fired hell the phoenix suns coaches got fired you had bill bill booker and kd Boy, they done got what you call it.

Speaker 2 They got the coach before that fire and the coach before that fire.

Speaker 2 They got

Speaker 2 three straight years in a row they fired the coach yeah but see you can't say that in the nba you can't say players get coaches fired when it comes to nba because the players are actually good i think they do

Speaker 2 they just they don't play well together how how i don't understand when you go play at la fitness when you go play recreational foot recreational ball if you get the best players on your team Nine times out of 10, you finna win.

Speaker 2 In the NBA, for some reason, it don't work like that.

Speaker 2 No, because you got to play together. You only got one ball.

Speaker 2 That's why, you know,

Speaker 2 remember I asked you, I say, man, what you going to do if I put, let's just say I put the three best receivers out there. Let's just say I put Chase Jefferson and Tyree.
Ooh.

Speaker 2 Hey, man, you know how unhappy they're going to be. Hey.

Speaker 2 With what football?

Speaker 2 Not in this offense, not in today's offense. Hell yeah, they throw the ball 100 times a game.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 But every player ain't getting 10 catches a game.

Speaker 2 Hey, ooh, so what happens when the guy gets 12 catches and the other guy gets three? How that going to work out?

Speaker 2 I'll let you go ahead and tell the chat. How that's going to work out, Ocho.
I don't know. That's just how you can do it.
Exactly.

Speaker 2 Hypothetically speaking, that'd be dangerous.

Speaker 2 That's why you need one dog and then you have somebody else that can blend in. You put two of them guys over there and somebody get 12, one, one game, and the other get three.

Speaker 2 Even if you won the game, hey,

Speaker 2 you stepping on lips when you go in the locker room.

Speaker 2 Wait, hold on now. We had a small example of that over there in Philly.
Now they got two dogs out there. I don't care what nobody say.
Them two number ones over there.

Speaker 2 Some games, some gays.

Speaker 2 And what did A.J. Brown say? And he was hot.
He was hot. Okay, thank you.
Okay. And he was hot.
He was hot. He was hot.
Okay. That boy pulled that book out.

Speaker 2 To keep him blowing up, old people. Keep from blowing up.
I like that. That's a good strategy.
Good test. Aside from your current coach, who is the worst coach in the league?

Speaker 2 Brian Keith, one that going away. Mike Boonhoser, he's no longer there.
Charles Lee, I don't even know. Nick Nurse, I know he coached for Philly.

Speaker 2 Tom Fibodeau, Nick's Ratchavik, he coached for Toronto. Christie, Sacramento.
Jordy Fernandez.

Speaker 2 Is that

Speaker 2 in Charlotte?

Speaker 2 And Michael Malone.

Speaker 2 Denver.

Speaker 2 Oh, Joe, if a fight broke out, which player in the league would you least like to fight?

Speaker 2 James Johnson won this going away. 63% of the,

Speaker 2 and then you got Isaiah Stewart at 13.5,

Speaker 2 Steve, big Steve Adams, 11.3, Lou Dort at 2.1.

Speaker 2 Hey,

Speaker 2 Isaiah Stewart and

Speaker 2 Jane. Who's John? What's Johnson?

Speaker 2 James Johnson.

Speaker 2 They used to play the heat?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 He liked a fourth degree black belt.

Speaker 2 I wouldn't care if he was a fifth degree orange belt.

Speaker 2 Leave that alone, OJo. I'm just saying, I like me against him and Isaiah Stewart.
What do you think?

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 2 That man chopped you, you're here.

Speaker 2 He had a permanent part. And yeah, you know, I took karate too.

Speaker 2 I like that.

Speaker 2 No, no, I took karate. That's your discipline? No, I took karate classes in across from Star Projects at Gwincherry Paul.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I was a black belt.

Speaker 2 I was a black belt. Gwen Cherry Paul.
I forgot my instructor's name. He passed away a long time ago.
Across from Scar Projects, boy. I never forget.

Speaker 2 No. I prompt.

Speaker 2 Leave that alone.

Speaker 2 Wow.

Speaker 2 Nah, nah, I'm telling you. I'm telling you.
I'm telling you.

Speaker 2 I forgot my routine, though.

Speaker 2 I know. Good.
Do you like Adam Silver's idea of changing 10-minute quarters? 78% said no. 13% says yes.
8.5% are undecided. Would you like it if the NBA went to 10-minute quarters?

Speaker 2 I think that might be what it is in FIBA.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 you like that better?

Speaker 2 Nah, because

Speaker 2 when you start messing with the game, Ocho, you start changing. Now you get records and stuff.
I mean, because now, Ocho, you're about to go to 17. We had 17 games, about to go to 18 games.
Right.

Speaker 2 Look, it used to be 12 games. It used to be 14 games.
It used to be 16. Now it's 17.
When it goes to 18,

Speaker 2 it's too much, huh?

Speaker 2 I mean, listen, if you're going to change the game, are you going to change it for the betterment of the game? Is it changing it for the players? Is it for health reasons? It depends. I'm curious.

Speaker 2 Money.

Speaker 2 When you add games, you're adding it for money. The same thing with the play-in.
Right. Because think about it, O2, you get an extra three games.
No,

Speaker 2 you get an extra three games

Speaker 2 on each side.

Speaker 2 So you get six game totals because you got seven play eight, nine play 10. Whoever wins out of seven, eight, they're the seventh seed.
The loser of seven, eight play the winner of nine, ten. Right.

Speaker 2 So that's three extra games.

Speaker 2 That's a nice little chunk. That's a nice little chunk of chunk of pie, too.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 That's why they got that, what, what is it, a seven year, 77 billion or yeah, 77 billion dollars bill?

Speaker 2 11 year, 77 billion, something like that. But they got a nice little chump and chain.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 I like that. Ocho, Jerry Jones hinted.
Here we go. Dallas isn't done in the trade market this offseason.

Speaker 2 There are a couple of deals in the work. We're looking at two things that could happen before or after the draft.

Speaker 2 Two pretty substantial trades been working on today.

Speaker 2 Ocho, are are the Cowboys finally going all in? No, probably not. Probably not.
Because if he says something about it, it's probably not going to happen.

Speaker 2 You know, if it actually happens without him saying it, then, yes. I mean,

Speaker 2 history shows that Jerry will say a lot of things and not do the things necessary to improve the team year in and year out. So why should this year be any different?

Speaker 2 I think maybe he came out and said something just to catch the headlines. Just to catch the headline, like he always does.
Give the fans hope.

Speaker 2 Well,

Speaker 2 what if he traded for

Speaker 2 Tyreek?

Speaker 2 I like that. I know you do.

Speaker 2 Now, I like that. Now you give now, man, shh, shit.
You put that speed with CD in the slot? Man, what?

Speaker 2 And then you have a

Speaker 2 listen, you have a compliment. You have a complimentary number three

Speaker 2 then wait a minute i didn't even mention the draft yet they they pick at what 12 right 12 of

Speaker 2 they pick a 12 that high they might be i forgot well i'm trying to think young bull o' marion o' marion

Speaker 2 if he's there

Speaker 2 oh my what's his last name from um oh oh you're talking about the running back from uh north carolina yeah yeah yeah yeah the one we have on here get o' marion asking genti obviously is going to be gone.

Speaker 2 Or the Cowboys, if you really want to be slick, if you're really serious about winning and changing your program,

Speaker 2 man, go on up and sneak up there and get Asen Genti. Can you imagine adding him to that offense?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 I don't know. I don't know.
I mean, look, I understand the running back is coming back, but

Speaker 2 people don't normally move up and take no running back. If you know that they'll move up and take every other position except that guy.
Well, let's talk about it, though. Let's talk about it.

Speaker 2 The addition of Saquon Barkley from the New York Giants to the Philadelphia Eagles was the last missing piece to get them over the hump to win a championship. You got four pro-ball offensive linemen?

Speaker 2 Who? You got four pro-ball offensive linemen? Oh, that's a good one. That's a good one.
Hey, you got two receivers that can lift coverage outside.

Speaker 2 What about your quarterback? How your quarterback looking? They will. I mean, you got Dak.
If I'm just saying, hypothetically speaking, if Jerry, if Jerry puts his money where his mouth is

Speaker 2 and go get Tyreek from Miami,

Speaker 2 man, stop playing.

Speaker 2 And you know,

Speaker 2 Zach Martin retired. Yeah, he did.
He did.

Speaker 2 He did.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 that by Office Line wasn't very good last year, Wicho.

Speaker 2 Nah, they wasn't. They was banged up, too, huh?

Speaker 2 They were banged up. They were banged up.

Speaker 2 Hey, put that in the universe too.

Speaker 2 Put that in the universe. Hey, Rick,

Speaker 2 Rick, I know you're going to see this. Dak, I know you're going to see this.
CD, y'all going to see this. Jerry, you're probably going to see this too.
Make something happen, man.

Speaker 2 Make something happen.

Speaker 2 Change it up, man. Shoot the dice.
Hey, Jerry Jones, I don't know if you play CeeLo, but roll it.

Speaker 2 Roll it, baby. I don't know if you play CeeLo, but roll it.

Speaker 2 Oh, Joe, this is about to make you upset. The switch.
Wait, hold on, mate.

Speaker 2 Give me time. Give me time.
Let me get my towel. Give me a towel.
Go. You talk about me be upset.
Yep. You're about to be upset.
Okay, talk to me.

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Speaker 2 What's up with my head?

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Speaker 2 Oh, an NFL assistant coach spoke about Shadur Sanders to Tom Pellicero and said, the worst form of interview I've ever been in in my life. He's so entitled.
He takes unnecessary sacks.

Speaker 2 He never plays on time. He has terrible body language.
He blames teammate. But the biggest thing is he's not that good.

Speaker 2 Man, that's in book. You know what? Come on, man.

Speaker 2 What are we doing?

Speaker 2 Behind all that was said, is there a name to that?

Speaker 2 Hold on, Ocho, before you go any further,

Speaker 2 the worst form of interview I've been in, he's so entitled. Okay, he takes unnecessary sack.
That's not an interview. He never plays on time.
That's not a part of the interview.

Speaker 2 He's horrible, but he has horrible body language. He blames his teammate.
The biggest thing.

Speaker 2 When is he ever...

Speaker 2 I thought an interview when he came in,

Speaker 2 you know, the way he talks, he talks about himself. He's condescending.
He's, you know, blah, blah, blah. That's an interview.
Right.

Speaker 2 None of it is it.

Speaker 2 That's making no sense. And I'm curious.

Speaker 2 We know why. We know why the punnins are doing this, the analysts and whoever it may be.
When you take him, assist the coach. If you're on a team, you recommend that

Speaker 2 they don't take Shadur. But you don't got to do this.
Yeah, it's not making

Speaker 2 it because that man is confident.

Speaker 2 Ain't nobody said nothing when Baker Mayfield was

Speaker 2 a lot like this. Hey, I ain't hear none of this.
Actually, he was a little bit, he was a little bit more, more flamboyant than this. Much more.

Speaker 2 I mean, Shadur does the watch, but listen, Baker Mayfield was a real one playing the flag in the middle of the field.

Speaker 2 And talking trash.

Speaker 2 Oh, you don't want to shake my hand? Okay, bet. Bet.
Hold my beer.

Speaker 2 Baker was a real one, but they enjoyed it. They enjoyed it when he did it.

Speaker 2 Obviously, when it comes to, you know, Shadur,

Speaker 2 it's a personal, personal vendetta, obviously, not only against him, but those who don't like his father as well. And it's carrying over when

Speaker 2 the two should be separated in general. Don't allow your hate for Prime or whatever disdain you might have for him to affect what Shadur's going to do for a team at the next level.
It's too late.

Speaker 2 Listen, you turn on the film, it speaks for itself. What are we talking about?

Speaker 2 I'm not going to show myself a discussion. Turn on the film everywhere he's gone, he's been successful.

Speaker 2 If he's not that good, so

Speaker 2 how Colorado go from a one-win team to like a five-win team to all of a sudden a eight, nine-win team?

Speaker 2 Again, the proof is in the pudding when you turn the film on. Forget what they're talking about.
Hey, whoever that was.

Speaker 2 Pittsburgh is on the clock. Shadur hitting at the Steelers pick.
Shadure was asked who's on his Matt Rushmore duos along with Brady and Gronk and Rogers and Devontae.

Speaker 2 His last spot, whoever the quarterback is for DK Metcalf and George Pickens, whoever it is that,

Speaker 2 whoever that is this year.

Speaker 2 Wait a minute. Bring that to me one more time so I get a better understanding.

Speaker 2 Mount Rushmore duos, Brady and Gronk, Rogers and Devontae,

Speaker 2 and the quarterback

Speaker 2 that throwing to DK

Speaker 2 and Pickens.

Speaker 2 Who's going to be the quarterback?

Speaker 2 I mean, you put those names out there. I guess you're thinking it's going to be you.

Speaker 2 Who's your other Mount Road? If you got Brady Gronk,

Speaker 2 Rogers, Devontae,

Speaker 2 you got to have Rice with either Young or Montana. Yeah, Rice.

Speaker 2 I like Rice Young better.

Speaker 2 I mean, not Young. I like Rice Montana better.
Okay. Okay.
Okay. Okay, can I give you another one? Yes.
I like Rothesburger Brown.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 Better than my homeboy Trav?

Speaker 2 Ooh, that. Oh, that.
Good one.

Speaker 2 Are we putting the tight end in that receiver category?

Speaker 2 You You took Brady Grom. That's right.
You did Brady Grom.

Speaker 2 Yeah, my homeboy

Speaker 2 and Tram would be in that, obviously.

Speaker 2 What about Phillip Rivers and Antonio? Antonio Gates? That's nice. It's nice.

Speaker 2 It's not.

Speaker 2 It's nice, especially with the numbers they put up together. Do you?

Speaker 2 Good numbers.

Speaker 2 Really good numbers.

Speaker 2 They put up great numbers.

Speaker 2 Mark Andrews said the gloves were completely soaked on the final two-point conversion play against the Bills when he dropped the ball and was debating taking them off to play before.

Speaker 2 I'm thinking, do I take it off? Do I not? It was so fast, so quick that it just happened. At the end of the day, I still should have caught the ball.
On yoke?

Speaker 2 I hate reliving stuff like that.

Speaker 2 It was so hard for the rest of his life. Yeah, it was a low ball, but it was catchable.
It was a difficult ball, especially for a tight end, looking down. You know, I just, but that is, it

Speaker 2 that's the hardest ball. That's the hardest ball to catch.
Yeah, anything with load of waist on trying to, trying to slide, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 Trying to slide on your,

Speaker 2 you don't really track it because you got to look it all the way in and you got to like cradle it and get to your pads so quick.

Speaker 2 And once it hit them pads and you ain't put your hands on it, that ball gone. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah. That ball gone.
Yeah, that's that's unfortunate. I mean, hands wet, that really had nothing to do with it, you know, in that scenario, scenario, especially as soft, as soft as

Speaker 2 the ball was thrown.

Speaker 2 If you're thinking, if you're, if, oh, Joe, what should have happened, if you're thinking about doing something, go ahead and do it.

Speaker 2 If you're thinking about taking the gloves off, you probably should have taken them off. Right.

Speaker 2 Probably should have taken them off.

Speaker 2 Bam. I hate that man going to relive that situation for the rest of his life in his head.
Not only is he going to have to relive it, people are going to remind of it.

Speaker 2 To the surprise of even some Atlanta Falcons staffers,

Speaker 2 first cousins reported to the start of the team's voluntary offseason program today.

Speaker 2 Given the voluntary nature of phase one offseason workouts consisting of meeting, strength, and conditioning, the expectation was cousin might skip this stage as he waits for a future to unfold.

Speaker 2 An expectation that even had Coach Raheem Morris shared as recently as April 1st.

Speaker 2 Oh, Joe, Cousins, I ain't getting y'all none of this money. I'm getting every dime.
Y'all supposed to give me 100 mil for the guarantee? You're going to get it. I'm going to get it.

Speaker 2 For the guaranteed. 100 mil.

Speaker 2 So, so, what's going to happen in a situation like this? I mean,

Speaker 2 you would be better suited to know better than I would.

Speaker 2 They're going to have to pay him.

Speaker 2 Look,

Speaker 2 you can't cut him, right? Yeah, you can.

Speaker 2 That's what they did with Rusk. But you still had to give him the money regardless.
Yes, I see.

Speaker 2 That's why Pittsburgh was able to get him for a million dollars because the Broncos had to pay the 38 million.

Speaker 2 So Cousins still hold a boatload of money, don't you?

Speaker 2 Jesus.

Speaker 2 I don't see him as a backup. Right.
I don't.

Speaker 2 Just being honest. What teams are out there that need a quarterback?

Speaker 2 The ones that need a quarterback are going to find those needs in the draft because they're looking for players to be, I i mean there's only two quarters cleveland

Speaker 2 cleveland's gonna take cleveland's gonna take shadur or abdul carter they need a quarterback

Speaker 2 i mean the is abdul carter is an impacting player but he's not a franchise changing player the browns

Speaker 2 yeah i mean i i think you you're looking at a guy that can bend the edge you put him opposite of uh uh a miles garrett miles garrett um

Speaker 2 you see fairly what they were able to do with the pass rush to disrupt patrick mahomes in the super Bowl.

Speaker 2 So I'm saying they're going to take, they're going to take, they're not taking a quarterback at that spot. So they're going to probably take Shadur.
Excuse me.

Speaker 2 They're probably going to take Trav or Carter. Let's just say, for the sake of argument, they take

Speaker 2 Hunter. Right.

Speaker 2 They could be on the market for a quarterback.

Speaker 2 They did sign Flacco.

Speaker 2 So that might been.

Speaker 2 Damn, I'm trying to think.

Speaker 2 I don't like a Flacco

Speaker 2 played so well in that offense and look completely different from Deshaun. Deshaun is not going to be back and healthy for a while.
I'm assuming at the start of the season, he won't be available.

Speaker 2 And it's

Speaker 2 Flacco's a security blanket, I'm assuming, based on his familiarity with the system.

Speaker 2 because the thing is, OJo, he tore it and then he retore it.

Speaker 2 I hate that, but I was, I mean, you said he was healthy, you know, people underestimating him. He can't wait to get back, so we're gonna see,

Speaker 2 yeah, we're gonna see. I'm hoping he listened.
He listened, Deshaun said he's gonna be back better than ever. I'm expecting to be back better than ever.

Speaker 2 Obviously, I'm trying to, I'm trying to think of a situation where could

Speaker 2 cousins go.

Speaker 2 What, if they cut him, trade him,

Speaker 2 cut him. Ain't nobody going to trade for him.
I ain't picking up that salary. He ain't crazy.

Speaker 2 Can't go to the Raiders. They got Geno.
Right.

Speaker 2 Can't go to anywhere in the NFC South because they are stacked up at quarterback.

Speaker 2 Let's see. The AFC West.

Speaker 2 You're not going to Kansas City. You're not going to Denver.
You're not going to the Chargers. Boom.
Okay. Let's try the AFC.

Speaker 2 East.

Speaker 2 Okay. Jess just got Justin Fields.
You know,

Speaker 2 they sit in Buffalo. They sit in Miami.
They sit in New England. So that's out.
Well, hold on. What about the AFC South? What about AFC North?

Speaker 2 There's one team in AFC North that doesn't have a quarterback. I said, yeah, Cleveland.
We said Cleveland. Cleveland? I ain't Pittsburgh.

Speaker 2 Number eight wants to play around.

Speaker 2 Number eight want to play around.

Speaker 2 No?

Speaker 2 Well,

Speaker 2 you never say never because

Speaker 2 Rogers hadn't committed to anybody. So that's a possibility that he could end up there.
I like that, I like that,

Speaker 2 I like that. You know, Aaron, you want to play around? And one thing we do know about that goddamn Kirk Cousins, he's going to let that ball go, he's going to sling it.
You got DK, you got George.

Speaker 2 I'm not sure what the offense will look like. I'm sure the offense had to change a little bit.
Um, I'm not sure who the running back is for the Steelers right now. Jalen Warren,

Speaker 2 okay.

Speaker 2 He's not going, he's not going, he's not going to Tennessee. They're going to take Cam Ward.
No, they're going to take him.

Speaker 2 And they still got Will Levis. Right.

Speaker 2 They brought in some,

Speaker 2 they brought in Daniel Jones to challenge Richardson. That's not happening.
Nah.

Speaker 2 Jacksonville,

Speaker 2 what about a backup to Trevor Lawrence?

Speaker 2 That'd be a good one. And also not only a backup, someone that can push, push and challenge Trevor Lawrence as well.

Speaker 2 Not that it would really happen because they've just paid him all that money, but still just having that veteran presence in the locker room with you, I think would be dope for Trevor Lawrence and his growth.

Speaker 2 The Browns and the Giants are fielding trade cards for picks two and three.

Speaker 2 Browns pick two, Giants pick three.

Speaker 2 I think both teams realize there's not a player in the draft that's going to change their that's going to change their life. Right.

Speaker 2 But if I can trade that pick and get more picks,

Speaker 2 maybe.

Speaker 2 What you think? You like it?

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 2 Absolutely not.

Speaker 2 Why are you trading out of it and you know what you need already?

Speaker 2 Why are you trading out of a pick and you know what you need? You're not getting it in later rounds. Why are you going backwards?

Speaker 2 I guess they're saying

Speaker 2 they get multiple, get draft capital, get more. So instead of having a third pick, maybe we trade,

Speaker 2 everybody has a first round pick this year.

Speaker 2 So now I trade back and now maybe I get an extra second. I get an extra third.
No, man. No.

Speaker 2 No, you're struggling. You're struggling in certain areas and the areas you're struggling in.

Speaker 2 You know what you need. You know what you need.
Get what you need and stop playing. Test it.

Speaker 2 You got

Speaker 2 Cam is going to Tennessee. You have Shadora that's going to be available.
Forget all this stuff everybody talk about.

Speaker 2 You've watched, you turned, you watched the film.

Speaker 2 You've seen seen what he can do he did it in high school he did it at jackson state he did it at colorado there's some other quarterbacks that are supposed to go in the second round there might be a surprise if these these these punters and these analysts and gms and scouts really don't like shtor because of the way he carries himself you know you have you have dart you have some other quarterbacks that have been to humble myself yeah i

Speaker 2 listen i i wouldn't either i wouldn't either i wouldn't either what you see is what you get bro i did the job

Speaker 2 Yeah. I did the job.

Speaker 2 I mean, that rough people, that probably rubbed people with, but time. But time is who he is.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 He's who he is.

Speaker 2 Long as it's not destructive to the team. Right.

Speaker 2 What's the issue, man?

Speaker 2 Why y'all want the man to think less of himself?

Speaker 2 The man confident. Look at his daddy.
His daddy was confident. He instilled that in him.

Speaker 2 We don't bow down. We don't hold our head just because

Speaker 2 you don't feel this way about yourself. So now you want me to make me feel good about yourself by lowering myself,

Speaker 2 by hanging my head, not being confident.

Speaker 2 You don't want me to be confident so because it gives you the confidence to make you think that we're on the same level. Right.

Speaker 2 It makes you uncomfortable.

Speaker 2 I don't know, Ocho. What can I get for picks two and three, Ocho? What can I get? You get it.
Listen, you can get it.

Speaker 2 Let me ask you a question. How high is somebody coming up? Because if you come up high enough, you come up more than five, four places, I'm getting your first round of next year.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah, most definitely. Hell, if you coming up that high, you might get two first rounders.
Oh, you get a first and a second. We switch.

Speaker 2 That's my point. Yeah.

Speaker 2 So, but do you do, but you believe there's one player in this draft that's going to go at second, that's going to go at third, that's going to be life-changing?

Speaker 2 Traffic center.

Speaker 2 Life-changing. Abdul.
well if you believe he's gonna be life-changing you stay up ahead you take it

Speaker 2 that's why that's why i think i think it's all bluffing the cleveland browns and the giants talk about for all these picks and trade and call accepting calls hey y'all they bluffing

Speaker 2 they bluffing

Speaker 2 they bluffing definitely bluffing

Speaker 2 the volume

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