Club Shay Shay - Terence ‘Bud’ Crawford Part 2

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Why don't you think older, vet, great fighters want to give these young and up-and-comers an opportunity? I don't think it's that they want to to give them it's just the opportunity you know um they pay you a lot of money probably for taking the risk you know and some older fighters want to test test they self and see if they still got it and it's and it's a business everybody know what what we're doing it for we like pit bulls You know, see you see a pit bull you they got their ring they got their judge and you know they got the crowd around them they send them out there to kill each other that's what that's the same way with us you know then this pit bull lose or they kick them out i don't i can't use you no more. And the promoters, it's the same

way. When you lose,

the promoters don't want nothing to deal with you no more.

You know what? That's where I was going.

Because it seemed, if you remember,

if you go back and look at the 70s,

there were heavyweights dominated.

They fought. Ali fought

Frazier, and Norton fought this one, and

Foreman fought that one, and Shavers, and so forth

and so on. And then you had the 80s and you had the four kings and they fought.
Why they don't want to fight? I mean, it's money. You can make money.
It's all about money. You know what I mean? At the end of the day, when you look at the politics, they all say, oh, well, this promoter got these fighters well this promoter got these fighters this promoter got these fighters i don't want to share with you you don't want to share with me so i'm in house all these fighters unless some drastic amount of money can come and then we can both be successful on this fight.
Right. But I don't want to give you leverage

and your fighter taking my tie my fighter's title now i don't have no no no title i don't have no leverage now so if i have six welterweight uh contenders like pp had. And you got two.
Well, yeah, two, because Manny Pacquiao left top rank and went to PPC. You got two, Jeff Horn and Terrence Crawford.
I fight Jeff Horn. They freeze me out.
They fight each other while I'm just sitting there like, hey, man, I want to fight him. Nah, nah, nah, you on the wrong side of the street.
Wow. I want to fight him.
Nah, you on the wrong side of the street. Where the fuck did a wrong side of the street come in to play in the sport of boxing? You know, that's how it goes.
But then when, you know, it makes sense, Manny Pacquiao, Floyd Mayweather, then the two parties can come together and make it happen because it's enough money. Because so much money is involved.
Because I was looking at it like this, and it seemed like Floyd, and I love Floyd, but it seemed like everybody's afraid to have that O, to have a one or a two where the O used to be. Right.
Because so now, and like you said, like, bro, hey, the promoters don't want you anymore, and maybe people don't think you is as good as you once was if you don't have that unblemished mark. But it didn't used to be like that, Terrence.
Ali lost. Sugar Ray lost.
Hagler lost. Hearns lost.
These guys lost. When did the O become the end-all,-all I think I think Mayweather you know and how he made it big to the public mm-hmm like 47 and tried 47 I failed and then it got all the way to 50 and it's like you know Break Marciano's record.
Nah, nah, nah, retired. Unblemished.

Andre Ward. ever have failed and then it got all the way to 50 and it's like you know break marciano's record no no no i'll retire unblemished andre ward unblemished you know joe cowles aggie unblemished you know and it's like when people look at them they be like man that dude never lost it before you know people can't say that you know a lot of people can't say that when you look at like Ali Roy Jones Jr.
you know all the all the greats back in the day they lost yes but that's

something that Joe Calzaghe Andre Ward Floyd Mayweather they can say I never lost right so

now when the kids looking up to them they say man I want to be like them I don't want to lose

Thank you. Floyd Mayweather, they can say, I never lost.
Right. So now when the kids looking up to them, they say, man, I want to be like them.
I don't want to lose. I don't want to lose because now society has shaped things to where if a fighter lose, they talk so bad about, oh, he's a bum.
I knew he was overrated. Oh, y'all hyped him up.
And now they got to hear it. But back in the day, they didn't have social media.
You know what I mean? All that wasn't in their face, but now it's in their face. They see it.
They hear it. It's like, who want to go through that? Fighters are like, man, they picking and choosing.
I don't want to fight him because it's a big fight. There's a chance.
Unless the money is right. It plays a big factor.
If I take Floyd Mayweather in his absolute prime, and I take Manny Pacquiao in his absolute prime. Floyd Mayweather.
Floyd still beats him. Floyd beat everybody.
You don't believe there's a guy at 140, 147 in the history of boxing that could have beat Floyd in his prime? I don't know, but it'd be tough. It'd be tough.
Floyd, man, that boy, man, that's the gold, man. That boy bad.
Man, that boy bad. What makes it, I mean, what because, and I told people this, I said, look at Floyd.
I said, Floyd, it's not that he trains. I mean, it's his life.
And from the very beginning, he's like, I want to be the best. And I look at Floyd.
Floyd is not a naturally big man. So Floyd, like you, to get down to 147, you got to drop 20 pounds, 25 pounds.
No, he walked around at his work. He ain't 140.
He walked around at 150. So he losing three pounds.
Floyd going to camp for like two weeks and he done made his weight. But what makes Floyd the best, so unique, something that we have not seen before? His defense and his instincts.
I think Floyd had the best defense in boxing history. Better than Sweet Pea? Yeah, definitely.
Because you don't Sweet Pea have some defense. Sweet Pea had defense, but he in that offense like Floyd.
I look at, I say he got more defense than Sweet Pea because he got hit less. Yes.
You know, Sweet Pea had more head movement, so he was – Sweet Pea was better at slipping punches, making you miss. Right.
But Floyd on defense, like catch, bam, bam, bam, bam. Yeah.
You know, Floyd, hands down. Then making you pay, catching counter, catching, slipping, you know what I mean? Like hitting you with shots that you don't see.
Like that's where Floyd, master, you know, hit and not get hit. And you look at the people that he beat.
Yeah. I mean, people are all, he just go back and look at those world champions from the Cotos and the Pacquiao the Ricky Hattons, the Arturo Gatties I mean like 20 plus world champs I ain't talking about no, they legit world champs and he beat them all and he was calling for them all in A-prime you know, so I don't know man, a lot of people they give him credit now, but they didn't give him credit when he was calling for them all in A-prime, you know, so I don't know, man.
A lot of people, they give him credit now, but they didn't give him credit when he was active. It's kind of like Muhammad Ali.
Yeah. They hated him when he was active.
They loved him when he retired and when he got a loss. They hated Tyson when Tyson was active.
But once he got a loss and he retired, then they loved him. You know, everybody want to see you lose because they want you to feel like you're more human.
They don't want you to be, you know, superior to other fighters, especially fighters that they like. Right.
You know, so they just like, man, I don't like that guy. Right.
I see so many people on social media say they don't like him. What? But don't have a reason.
Right. I don't like Crawford, but I hope him and Canelo have a good fight.
Okay. What is there not to like about him? Are they...
Maybe you run into the same thing, Floyd. I believe a lot of people started watching Floyd fights to see him lose.
Do you think people tune in to watch you lose, to see you lose? Definitely. But you don't care a long day about that pay-per-view.
You good. Hey, I don't care what you think about me.
I don't care what you say about me. You're not in the position that I'm in to even be on the same level of me.
And I don't say that in a cocky way. I say that in an honest way.
Like people at a basketball game, you talking stuff to LeBron James and you can't do half of what LeBron James. You talking stuff about, you know, Aaron Rodgers and you can't throw a 30-yard football.
You know, we criticize athletes for stuff that we can't even do. And it's just like, on now man you can't you come up in here they punched up in the head or you try to go run a go across the middle why Brett Farr throw a 90-mile football right that I break your fingers and uh let's about to come and take your head off right you know so you got a brace because you about to get hit the ball going fast and you expect me to catch it every single time yeah you know people don't understand the things that we do and the things that we take our body through to entertain y'all.
Right.

You know, but y'all disrespect us. Like, we not human.

So then when we lash out on one of y'all, y'all think, oh, everybody like, oh, you supposed to be professional.

But we human at the end of the day.

Floyd paid you the ultimate compliment.

He says, Terrence Crawford is the best pound for pound fighter fighting right now. What's your relationship like with Floyd? Oh, we got a good relationship.
I'm cool with Floyd. You know, Floyd just randomly called me, you know, asked me how my family doing, asked me how I'm doing, and don't even talk about boxing.
Wow. It's just, I didn't want nothing.
I was just checking up on you, champ. You know, seeing how you're doing and, you know, making sure everybody's good and things like that.
And, all right, I'll talk to you later. Wow.
You know, things like that. That mean more to me than calling me, hey, man, what's up with boxing? You know? I was at this fight.
I told you this. I was at the fight that you fought Spence.
And I'm sure you heard it. Man, Spence, had Spence not gotten that car incident, bud? Man, you know you fought that man three, man, you fought that man three years too late.
You'd have caught him before that, before that accident? I don't know, bud. How often have you heard that?

Man, I think I said everything that everybody was going to say before they even said it.

I think they just looked at the interviews

and the altercation that me and Spence had

and just copied and pasted.

Right.

You know, I hear it a lot.

You know, but I was already prepared for it. You know, I was prepared, what, three, four years before it happened, you know, and that's something that I trained my mind to preparing for because I knew what it was going to be.
I said, Spence is a great fighter. I'm a fan of Spence.

I've always been a fan of Spence.

I watched him in the amateurs.

I rooted for him, you know, when he represented the United States.

I called him on the phone, check on him.

I'm a fan of Spence.

The people, the urban community, our own people try to turn us against each other

and make it to a point where nobody likes each other.

Why can't you like me and like him?

Yeah.

Ain't nothing wrong with that.

If I like Bud, that don't mean I hate Earl. Right.
If I like Earl, that don't mean I hate Bud. Right.
But sometimes, it seems to be now, if I like something, I can't like him. Right.
But it's only like that in our community. Mm-hmm.
You know, when you look at the Mexican community, they support each other.

Yeah, bro.

They ride hard for them. When you got two Mexicans fighting each other, man, the Mexican community wins.
They going to celebrate whoever. They going to win.
They are. You know? They going to win.
When you see us fight each other, it's not like that. You know just always felt like we are on down for blacks, Mexicans, rule boxing from the beginning.
Beginning. But we got to do better with supporting each other.
And we got to do better. Another thing we got to do better with is supporting the ladies.

You know?

The women fighters?

Yeah, the women fighters.

You know, you got a lot of women fighters that's doing the same thing that we doing,

going through the same thing that we go through,

that's putting on hell of a show.

Right.

But we don't support them.

You know, we don't. You'll see them come to all our fights, supporting us, bigging us up.
But ain't everybody going to them girls' fights. But some of them girls' fights be more exciting than our fights.
You know, so I just think that we need to just, as a boxing community, we need to just support each other more. And like you said a person lose It's not the end of the world, right?

You know pick back up, you know some back in the days

You may one that day. He may come back and beat you.
Correct. You know, I mean, yep

So you just gotta you know

Give him his just doing you know

Give him the encouragement that it's not over right instead of beating them while you down

How long

Thank you. and give them the encouragement that it's not over instead of beating them while you're down.

How long have you had this Canelo fight in your head?

Man.

I've been thinking about Canelo for like a year now. Probably a little bit after Spence.
A little bit after Spence. When they start talking about Spence and Canelo, I started thinking, like, man, Canelo too big for Spence.
Like, you know, clean Spence. But then i started looking at it i'm like

canelo not that big yeah you know he's a smaller fighter that's fighting in a bigger division so i started just sizing myself up to canelo right in my head he's five seven i'm five". I got a 74-inch reach.
He got like a 60-something. You know, he's wider than me, but that's it.
So, I'm like, it match up. It matches up.
I can do that fight. Did you ever think he would accept it? Or you just going to put enough pressure on him, you going to keep putting it out there and have people put it out there and say, hey, the only fight that makes sense for Bud is Canelo.
The only fight that makes sense for Canelo, if he want to fight somebody and he want a super, super payday, Bud Crawford is in. For sure.
There's no fighter out right now that's bigger than Crawford Canelo. No fight.
I agree. I agree.
So a lot of people, I know a lot of people say, oh, well, Benavidez, Benavidez. Everybody want him to fight Benavidez.
And that's a great fight, and a damn good fight mm-hmm you know but given the the circumstances of black versus Mexican and a history I've always did better bigger numbers than anything mm-hmm you know besides Manny Pacquiao right and Floyd you know Conor McGregor but yeah, yeah. You believe these numbers will be comparable to that?

There's a projection that this fight is going to do somewhere between $600 and $750, or three-quarters of a billion.

Floyd right now has the record.

He and Pacquiao did $600 million in revenue.

You believe this fight, you, Canelo, Netflix,

can approach that number or go north of that number?

I don't know, because it's different times that we live in there when you look at today's time you got so much piracy you know it's different back in the days and you didn't have that much no you did yeah but now you know everybody got a ask. It's true.
My kids be talking about, oh, yeah, I'm watching the UFC fights. I'm like, I ain't pay for no UFC.
I ain't watching it on their phone. Right.
You know, so, it's way different nowadays and it's hard. It reminds me of back in the days when they was burning cities.
Yeah, and the artists was like man

We came we came big do buddy. Okay, make no money because everybody burning see yes and stuff like that

So I just think you know, it's gonna do tremendous numbers

But to say I know how much I know because I'm looking at say Canelo's guarantee 150 you guaranteed a hundred million

damn, but it too late for me to trade? I mean, that's that number, that sounds like a number that you can get down with? Man, I don't know, man. I don't know.
I don't know, bud. I mean, I'm trying to figure, help me out on this, because Marvin Hagler once said it's hard, it gets hard once you got mink slippers and silk pajamas to get up there and train to get hit in the face again.
That's what he said? Yes, but here's the thing. I know silk.
No, but look at Floyd. Everything Floyd was making money doing 30, doing 40 $40 million, $50 million a fight, and he still had the same desire as if he had $2.
Bud Crawford made money, and he still has the desire to get up and train if he has $5. How does one stay in that mind? Because it's easy now.
Bud, you live in the ivory tower. You just told me you got a new crib built all the way cost you $63.
It's a new crib Well, say you got this new palatial estate and you still stay hungry how because like I Don't want to lose. Mmm That's that's the thing.
I don't want losing nothing, you know, so I'm fighting for my future my kids future so if I'm gonna do it I'm gonna do

it the wind I'm not gonna have do it I'm not gonna have step it I'm not gonna play around with it

I'm gonna I'm gonna try to win so that's my motivation my family to secure them with

generational wealth with the businesses that I've created right the things that I put my money into

Thank you. to secure them with generational wealth, with the businesses that I've created, the things that I put my money into, to teach them that anything is possible.
And then not only that, for their kids' kids can live off of their great-great-grandpa's success. Like, you know, when you see a trust fund baby.
The Ford family, the Rockefellers, the Kellogg's, the Eminem Mars, the Heinz Ketchup. Yes, yes, yes.
Why can't, you know, where I come from, man, people don't be leaving their kids nothing. Right.
When they pass, man, people... You leave them in debt because they ain't got nothing to leave.
I can't leave. Dinners and stuff like that.

Yeah.

So I just always told myself, if something ever was to happen to me,

my kid's going to be straight with her or without me.

But I don't know, but 100, 150 mil, you still going to want to go in there and train?

You still going to want to go do another fight?

They might come with 250.

They might come with two on her. They might come with two on her.
I'm going to get it. So, training.
Obviously, you're going to have to train. You're training for a bigger fighter.
So, what's that? Have you thought about, have you lined up some sparring partners? You probably have to fight, you know, spar with bigger guys than what you normally spar with no you know but you try to make this thing seem like routine it ain't routine bud man listen I don't spar people my size everybody I spar is bigger than me oh just say he want to spar I know he told me okay now he said man he want to get in the ring with me. I said, man, listen, Ocho.
That's what I keep telling him. I said, man.
But he's doing an MMA fight with Deebo, James Harrison. I don't want to do it to him.
Ocho good, man. That's my guy.
Yeah. He funnier than him up.
He is funny. But go ahead.
Do one round. Touch him up a couple times.
Y'all be wanting him to get straight. I would have done it because he beat every fighter.
We had another. Yeah.
He want us everything. Andre Ward.
Yeah. Hey, I mean, just like, pop, pop.
You know, just like, ooh. Yeah.
I don't think he want, I think he just want the joy and the bragging rights to say he's been in there with us. That's what I'm saying.
I don't think he want to get in there for us to really spar him. No, no, no.
Just one minute. Just put one minute on the clock.
Okay. That's it.
No, 30 seconds. Let's get it out of 30.
30. I'm going to tell him.'ll be like, man, hey, do 30.
Hey,

just touch him

a couple times.

No,

no,

don't,

don't,

don't,

don't go all loud

on him.

You're trying to line him up,

man.

Yeah,

hey,

Ocho,

Bud goes,

ta-ta.

And I'm going to be

right there

with my cat.

Yeah,

yeah,

yeah.

So,

let me ask you a question.

How different

you win this fight, how different is the perception of Bud Crawford going to be? Does this put you in that pantheon? I honestly think I've been there. Okay.
But, you know, everybody else got their own opinion. But after this, I think people will start respecting me more.
at the same time they have some type of excuse right you know it's always going to be some type of excuse on why Terrence Crawford was successful and why he won the fights that nobody thought he was going to win or he did what exactly what he said he was going to do but it was a reason why it happened at the time or something wasn't right. So I'm just taking a stride.
There hadn't been very many five-division champs. You beat Canelo at the weight and beat him at that weight.
I mean, people are going to have to say Bud Crawford with Floyd Mayweather, with Sugar Ray Robinson, with Manny Pacquiao. They're going to have to.
They don't have a choice. I'm going to say this, and I'm not just saying it.
Terrence Crawford could have competed with all those guys all of them I don't see not one fighter that I couldn't compete with from me Roberto Duran the Sugar Ray Robinson I I can't say Sugar Ray Robinson cuz I didn't see him right but the many Pacquiao's the Hagler the Hearns. Hagler was 160.
Yeah, he fought it. 160, yeah.
But I'm talking about those guys around my weight. Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah.
Even Hagler, you know, I could have competed with. But the guys that was around my weight.
Sugar Shane, Mosley, and all those, yeah. I compete with all of them.
With all of them. Hands down.
But back then, but guys fought. I mean, now guys are going to retire with 50 fights.
I mean, I think, who was that? Duran at one point was like 78-0. These guys had like 100 fights.
Sugar Ray Robinson was like, what? 200 wins and five losses or something. Well, boxing has evolved.
Because they're fighting damn every other week. So when you look at boxing like we was talking about football.
Yes. You came blindside and crackback and all that stuff.
Yes. Boxing has evolved to the point where we learned that we don't have to fight so much.
Right. Because there's more money involved.
Yes. Boxing have evolved to the point where we learned that we

don't have to fight so much. Right.

Because there's more money involved and

so you don't have to fight for $10,000,

$10,000, $10,000 when guys can make

X amount of dollars and fight one, two times a year.

Yes.

And then when you look at

those fighters that got all those fights,

look at their health.

Yeah.

Why would I want to make so much money if I can't enjoy it? Can't enjoy it.

But don't know I've made the money.

Facts.

And to have somebody steal the money because I don't know what's going on.

Right.

So health as well.

Did you watch the Charlo fight and Canelo?

Yeah.

Did you watch that fight? Did you take anything? it? I felt Charlo just came for a payday. Really? But I really can't say, but he could have did more.
He did a lot of good things in there that I felt as if he wouldn't know or had the confidence he would have did way better than what he did. Do you feel that Charlo could have done more? Yes, that's what I'm talking about.
Oh, you're talking about Charlo, yeah. Yeah.
You think he was afraid of Canelo's power? I do. I think he respected too much.
You know, I do. But still, all in all, he did what he had to do to make it to the 12th round.

Are you going to respect it?

I don't know.

We're going to see.

I never got hit by him, so I can't see if I am or I am.

But I'm definitely going to respect.

But you're going to make him respect you?

Of course.

Because you got you because he'll walk you down if you don't.

Well, that's his thing. He try to walk people down now.
He's going to do what he's going to do, and I'm going to do what I'm going to make him respect you? Of course. Because you got you because he'll walk you down if you don't.
Well, that's his thing. He try to walk people down now.
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Ooh, I'ma be there. I gotta got to see this.
I got to see this. Yeah.
Where are you on the criticism? Man, you've never been punched by anybody like Canelo. You haven't fought a contender.
I mean, bro, you just getting, I mean, how do you get, why do you get to fight Canelo, this big payday, when you haven't fought anybody leading up to Canelo? And you see what he did to Billy Joe, man, once he hit you, you hear it all, bud. You've heard everything that somebody, I don't know if you've heard it personally, but you've got people around you have heard what the criticism is about you taking this fight with Canelo.
That's the joy of it. Nobody knows.
You know, that's the excitement. He's fought all these guys.
He's did all these things to these guys. Terrence Crawford is great at a lower weight class, but we don't know if Terrence Crawford can take the punches in the arms or take the overhand right or the uppercut or the right hand.
We don't know. But that's why we fight.
Right. You know, there's a lot of what-ifs, you know, that a lot of fans is asking.
Or they mind what I can't do. Right.

And the last time he fought somebody that had speed was Floyd.

He's never seen anybody with speed like Bud Crawford.

But, you know, that's why we're going to fight.

And then all the answers is going to be answered on fight night.

You going to give him a rematch?

Ain't no rematch in the clause.

But who knows? So you win or take all? Win or take all. I'm taking it all.
I read that you don't eat beef. I don't eat beef or pork.
Just chicken, fish, turkey. You Muslim? No, not at all.
I bet you're from Omaha, Nebraska, all them cows out there.

I'm all states, huh?

Huh?

I'm all states.

Yeah.

No, I don't eat beef or pork.

I stopped eating beef because it takes too long to process.

Really?

It'll break down.

Yeah.

Jordan over there shaking his head, saying, mm-hmm.

That's all right. I ain't got nothing to do in the meantime, so it'll break down just fine.

A day or two, I'm good. I ain't fighting.

Hold up. I read you deadlifted 400 pounds?

Probably like 455 or something like that.

Man, your little ass do 455?

I'm probably like 500.

But you're not true. see, I almost slammed you.
But, see, I told you, bud. I ain't want to mess with that $150 million pain in it, man.
Man, hey, everybody, man, how you do, bud? Come on, man. Because, hey, I'm going to get me a little cut.
I'm going to get a little 5% cut. So, well, did you, do you, did you, have you always lifted weights? No, I don't.
So, you just lifted now to try to pick up a little bit. I just lifted just because I needed to, I just wanted to lift it.
Okay. I just looked at it and said, nah, I do that.
And I just, I was like, do it. Here, look.
How many fights does Bud Crawford have left? As many as I want.

But you don't want to stay too long, do you, Bud?

You want to enjoy it.

There you go.

There you go.

You just answered it.

Hold on.

Javante Davis say you need the money.

What's going on with you and Javante?

I'm a boxer, he a boxer, you a boxer, we all need the money. I ain't doing it for free.
Thank you. What if Javante said, hey, I come up to 154.
I come up to 154 while you talking. Oh, man.
one you'll find Javante at 154 I wish him the best that's all I'm going to say why did they come is it because they feel they need to come for the guy that seems like he's on the top right now and right now you're the guy on the top so everybody's taking ryan garcia say canelo gonna beat bud they train together he posted he posted say that and he's mexican he posted ride with his for his peoples let me ask you just you can help down on this this last fight um roach and javante have you ever seen anything like that right i mean you can't take a knee that's a that's a that's a knockdown whether you because i saw floyd break his hand hitting the guy and took a knee and they gave florida a count so i'm trying to figure out how javante avoided that and then i'm trying to figure out how he got his guy come up to the top of the ring and white green side his eyes.

They do that in our butt.

I guess that's part of the new, you know what I mean, boxing era.

When you saw that, tell me what you, when you saw this, you saw him take a knee.

And then you see he go to the apron and this guy come up to the top of the ring.

Well, you're like, hold on, what's going on?

I'm just as confused as you. I said, huh? I was just like, oh, that's crazy.
And Steve Willis, a great referee. He is.
And he started counting, then stopped counting. Stopped it.
Like, they said, hey, hey, you better stop counting. Oh, wow.
Hey, they don't do that again you Being a boxing aficionado you think you're about they won that fight No, I don't think I don't think he won Without the knockdown You know, I thought it was a close. It was a close fight.
Mm-hmm, you know But I would have gave the edge to Roach before He fought a great fight. Javante fought a great fight as well, but I just think he was overconfident.
I don't think he took Roach like, I mean, serious. Right.
Because I guess they fought earlier. They fought the amateurs, one from D.C.
to the other from Maryland, so they're very familiar with each other. But pros is different than amateurs.

And, you know, Tank stopping a lot of people, you know,

probably felt like, man, we fought when we were some little kids.

Right.

Man, I'm about to knock you out.

Right.

What about Javante and Tank?

Should they fight?

Javante and Shakur.

And Shakur, yeah.

Yeah, they should fight.

Why they ain't fighting? I don't know. I think all of them should fight.
I mean, you got Lopez, Tiofimo. You got Lomachenko.
You got Shakur. You got Tank.
You got Garcia. You got five guys.
That's a nice little... Devin Haney.
Devin Haney, yeah. You got six guys.
Don't nobody want to fight nobody? I don't know. I think they all should, you know, be fighting each other.
So what we got going on? Politics. Bro, if Shakur and Haney and Tank if all them leave if they retire with undefeated records that's some bull jive that's what straight up in you yeah you doing too bud ain't no way those guys should have undefeated records if they're out in their prime and they damn near in the same no.
Well, Tiafemo got a loss already. Okay, you're right, you're right.
But fight Lomo. He got a loss already.
Fight. I don't care what's up.
Maybe he could put a loss on somebody else. I ain't gonna be the only one with a damn loss.
That's how I think. But that's how I think.
I ain't gonna be the only mofo walking around with a loss. Yeah, for sure.
Definitely, definitely. I think they all should fight.
You know, they all want to fight each other. And I think, you know, with Turkey, Allah, Sheik in the mix now, I think we'll get the old...
They got big money over there. You go fight over there? I ain't fought over there.
You ain't going to mess with them? Yeah. You would? What? I said, would you go to Dubai? Saudi? Saudi Arabia.
Yeah. They paid big bucks over there.
If the ticket was what it's supposed to be, then yeah. I'm a champion of the world.
Yeah. Not of the country.
If I had to travel the world to fight that's over yeah okay I like that Ryan Garcia and tank they they talk about they might fight again blah blah blah this read there was a lot made about this rehydration clause you don't have that if I'm not mistaken I don't think you have this in this one so theoretically he might he supposed to come in at 168 not in the fight he might be 180 185 you cool with that I had sat down with Oscar the Oscar said he thanked the right rehydration clause had a lot to do with why Ryan didn't defeat Javante what do you think I think two things I think well I'm gonna say think? I think two things. I think, well, I'm going to say three things.
I think Ryan had an injury already previous in training. I think the way it did have an effect on him.
Because when you see him with Devin, was too totally oh yeah you know I mean fighters but in tank defense I I don't think fighters should be able to fight a fighter at 130 and this fighter rehydrate to 140 and you come in at 165 right you. You know, I don't think that's right.
And I think that's the problem that Canelo had with Benavidez as well. These fighters coming in at like 200 pounds and they weigh in 168.
Yeah. Damn.
That's a big... Ryan, he had some things going on, you know, and we had, I guess it was the tainted sample.
He said he had a trace of a steroid in the system and Devin Haney, you know, complained and he tried to sue him. So what's going on? Because I look at Ryan, and I think if he focused, he could be really good.

He'd just have a lot of ish going on.

Do you feel like if he were to focus and took it serious?

I mean, you have to take it somewhat serious, but if he, like, totally locked in. They all came up with each other.
Okay. So they know each other so.
Yeah, they all know each other so well. Shakur, Tank, Ryan, you know, Devin, they all know each other.
You know. So is it hard to fight somebody you know? No, no.
I'm just saying they all know each other. So they know, you know, how to fight each other and how to beat each other and things like that because they didn't fight each other so many times.
What did you think about the Devin Haney and the Ryan Garcia fight? I think, you know, steroids. He was on steroids.
He tested positive. Right.
Something to do with his performance. But at the same time, I can't take away from Ryan Garcia landing the shots that he was landing all day.
you know, I just think that when Devin got hit

He didn't recover. Yeah, you know when he got hit you just couldn't recover from rising beat you, huh?

Actually say he beat the earshot of you

Man I'm just saying that with a man saying it. He said it.
I don't know. Oh, man.

That's good for him.

That's good for him to think that.

We have this conversation, Ray.

Would you fight Jake Paul?

No.

No.

He too big?

He too big?

Yeah, Jake's big, but he doing his thing.

I'm going to let Jake do what you do.

You got $200 million for you. I'm fighting Jake Paul.
I'm fighting Jake Paul. Come on, Jake.
Hey, Logan. Forgive me.
I got to fight your brother, man. When you watch the Tyson and the Jake Paul fight.
Come on, man. I love Tyson.
But Tyson shouldn't have been out there. Right.
Biting his gloves and stuff. Was he biting his glove because that was a tick? Or was he biting his glove like, man, I want to hit the joke upside his head so bad, but I can't? I don't know.
I don't know. I don't want to spread no rumors.
But Tyson shouldn't have been in there.

Right.

At all.

And no way, shape, or form or fashion should Jake Paul ever be able to say he be Mike Tyson.

Right.

You know what I mean?

Like Mike Tyson, old.

Damn near 60.

Yeah, old enough to be my dad. Yeah.
You know, and he shouldn't have been in there. You boxed on him? Yeah, definitely.
Why not? The money was right. Get in there.
What do you think the appeal is? Because we see a lot of these guys, a lot of the MMA guys want want to come to the sport of boxing. We saw Franson Ngannou.

He did pretty good against Tyson Fury,

and then he got in there with Anthony Joshua, and it didn't go so well.

We saw Conor McGregor get in there with Floyd.

Even though Floyd was past his prime, it seemed like Floyd Toy with him,

drug him out to the deep, held his head up on the water until he couldn't get any oxygen.

I mean, what's the appeal of a UFC fighter wanting to fight one of the box this is money money it's all about money yeah you know I did a interview with a couple of UFC fighters here we still hood on them and was I was telling them boxers would make way more money than ufc fighters right you know and that's mainly what it come down to right you know money the the ufc fighters see that the crossover fights like mayweather and conor mcgreg, how well it did. Conor was compensated.
Yeah. They like, hold, hold up.
And then you see what? Francis Ngannou and Anthony Joshua. The compensation that Francis Ngannou, he probably made 20 times what he's ever made in a UFC fight.
Definitely. I'm just being, you know, maybe I'm hyperbole here, but I think he probably made at least five times what he's ever made in the UFC fight.
So when they see that, then they just, you know, it sparks their interest, you know. But then when they say, oh, well, boxers need to go to the cage then.ers boxers ain't never asking to go over there and fight because boxers are compensated so it's like y'all come over here right and fight us because y'all want to make more money right we not trying to go over there and make less money and get kicked or you know, and get kicked, arm broke, and choked out and stuff like that.

So it's a difference.

Anthony and Josh.

Jake Paul say he want to fight Anthony and Josh.

Damn, Jake Paul want to fight everybody.

I think Anthony and Josh are too big.

Jake big.

I mean, Josh was like $250.

Yeah, Jake Paul big. They both big.
Who you put your money on then? Come on, man. Don't do that to me.
Don't do that to me. I would put, look.
I mean, that's a, you talking about, that is a gold, I think Joshua won the gold medal in the Olympics. I mean, look, a chin suspect.
A chin like glass. No, man, them dudes big, man.
He big, too. He got too much muscle, though.
He got too much muscle. Man, I don't ever say nobody chin suspect in the heavyweight division.
You got to be able to take a punch

He did take a punch maybe he took a few

Them dudes big man. Yeah, I know Mac Chuck boom

Even when it's you know he'll not

A little guy hitting you with a punch you don't see can you imagine a big guy here you would approach you don't see But just imagine a big guy hitting you with a punch you can see I don't want to see you can't do nothing No big news punching. Oh, yeah, let me help me with this Deontay Wilder he was he was running through he was knocking everybody out And it's always the same the overhand right fury fought the first time thought he had fury and fury raised up like the Undertaker yeah sat up in the ring got up it was a draw but a lot of people thought fury won I thought both of them won you thought both of them won you thought it was a draw you thought the draw was a with a fair outcome yeah cuz I thought I thought a fairy won a, hands down.
But I thought they should have called the fight off. I thought Wilder knocked him out.
Okay. Now the second fight.
Yeah. Deontay said it was the suit.
He had this new suit way. I was there.
Yeah, you know what I'm saying? He had that big old suit. It was cool food it was cool though it looked good yeah but now you know when you come up with something like that you got to you got to be ready to rock and roll but I think them fights took a lot out of Deontay Wilder yeah you know and then on top of that once Tyson Fury felt his punch of power and and he stood up to to it He wasn't afraid to get hit with it no more.
Hmm nothing badgers, you know Because was a guy don't fear your power you kind of it is some towards mental because he's so used to Because then nobody had ever get ever gotten up when he landed shot flush, no fighter had ever gotten up.

Right.

And when he stood set up in that ring

and he got up,

what do I do now?

If you hit a guy with your best shot,

you hit him, bam!

What I'm going to do?

Hit him again.

You're going to take these all night.

I ain't going to hit you

and be like, oh, shit.

I'm going to be like, all right. You're going to have to eat them all night.
We ain't going to stop just there. Oh, man.
But then I thought after watching Fury fight, and I watched him fight Deontay Wilder, and I watched him fight a couple of other guys, I got a little concerned when he fought Joshua, but I didn't think he took Joshua serious. I don't think he thought, excuse me, I don't think he talked, when he fought Francis Ngannou, I don't think he took him serious.
And so I was like, man, can't nobody. And then I watched Yusek, he get in the ring with Alexander Yusek, and Yusek just, what, I'm like, how, bro? You seem unbeatable for like three, four, five fights.
And now you just. Styles make fights.
So when you used to fighting these big, slower guys with a slower pace, and you get in with a smaller guy with a faster pace with more movement and things like that, it's kind of harder than fighting those guys that you've been fighting, you know, in the past. And then Usyk, he's tremendously talented.
Yeah. You know, so he's going to faint you, he's going to move, he's going to slip, he's going to counter you, he's going to tie you up, things like that.
So it's difficult. Right.
A.B. A.B.
scamming these guys in the dice game. Is that why you don't – you say you don't gamble anymore because you say, man, I feel like I was taking money from my homies and probably some of the money that I was taking was my money to begin with.
So all I'm is getting my money back and they weren't gonna be able to pay me back but are you I mean have you ever heard of a story like this before never because you know people boy a in the hood they normally get you to do stuff like that man I wonder if they fabricating though how. Okay.
What'd they say?

One point?

No, they said five mil, 6.5, and fixed dice game.

No, they said 1.5.

I'm telling you 6.5.

Ain't no 6.5.

I'm telling you.

They said 1.5.

They didn't say 6.5.

Give me my phone.

Give me my phone.

We going to pull this up.

They didn't say 6.5, man.

Come on, now.

We finna pull this up, bud. Man, hey, listen.
You got to get it how you live. Oh, man.
Come on, now. We finna pull this up, bud.

Man, hey, listen.

You got to get it how you live.

Oh, no.

Hey, if they allow him to get him in dice for that much money,

then they deserve to get their money took.

Because how the hell did you, in a street dice game,

allow yourself to get that much money took from you?

It's crazy.

Man. Nah, what the instant? Nah, that's a fake site.
Nah, there's no fake site. That's a fake site.
He collected $6.5 million from the scheme, including $1.5 million from current NBA All-Star. $5 million from former players and $1.5 million from current.
Hey, me hitting them. Hey, hey, hey, you know the point.
That 10-4.

10-4.

10-4.

That 10-4 will bring the dice game up.

Because ain't nobody going to believe you're going to hit the plow with that little Joe.

Oh, man.

Man, somebody hurt you about that kind of money, man, for real.

What?

And probably because they are NBA players and they didn't do anything.

But if you do somebody like that, that's a hood.

Oh, they send for you.

You know that man.

A.B. crazy.

But A.B. had a nice career.
Yeah.

Go ahead, man.

Man, when A.B. had some of them fights when A.B.
started getting cooked, man, A.B. like, I'm getting cooked.
Oh, man. He had his run.
When will Bud know it's time to leave? When my mom tell me to stop. If she don't tell you to stop, you going to keep going? Nah.
I don't know. How old is your oldest kid, child? 17.
Youngest? One. You want the youngest to see what you do? They all see what I do.
He don't want the one-year-old ain't see nothing yet. Oh, no, no, no.
He ain't going to be able to see it. Well, he see it.

He just don't know what he watching.

He ain't going to be able to understand.

The line, so 17 is the oldest,

so you probably got probably what, like three over the age of

10? Yeah.

So they know, so

the older ones, they know what you do.

They know who dad is. They know what I do.

Okay. All my kids.
Even my daughter. She's four.
She know what I do. So you're good.
I mean, so now. Yeah, I'm straight.
So, I mean, you want to do this until you're 40? You want a couple more fights? 40 is crazy. Yeah, man.
But I don't know. I'm focused right now on this one oh so you I ain't I worry about I worry about tomorrow tomorrow but right now yeah this gets laser focus there you know right now we we in it great what have you learned about money it's paper it comes and goes to change people I sure like it better coming and going yeah but it's the crazy thing is what money do for you but make you comfortable mm-hmm it don't make you happy no they don't fix things they can fix certain things what about freedom it does allow you a certain level of freedom ah in certain aspects because you can have money you can have a lot of money but still can't get in certain places mm-hmm you can have a lot of money but it still can't sit at certain people table right you know so when is this a tool that you use the you know be somewhat comfortable what's the worst investment you may you buy some I mean you say you, you say you're not big in the car.
You never bought no Rolls, no Ferrari? Mm-mm. What the hell? You driving a pickup truck in Ombar? Yeah.
Yeah. I do got a pickup truck.
A 2025 GMC Denali. HD or how? HD.
Okay. Ultimate.
Yeah. 2,500.
You want a fog? You got a fog? I drag your little car. Hey, you want to talk about my truck? I'll hook your little ride up.

That diesel, you're going to be like, hey, hey, hey.

I'm a Sandy.

I'm going to go get me a 650 tomorrow.

That's cool.

And pull the rear end off your truck.

You ain't going to pull the rear end.

We're going to be fighting.

No, but I got cars, though.

I got two Monte Carlos.

I got a G-Wagon.

I got a Demon. Oh, you got a Demon, huh? Yeah.
I got two Monte Carlos I got a G-Wagon I got a demon oh you got a demon huh yeah I got to go I got the black ghost yeah don't let me catch you on the street that's cool let's go don't let me catch you because I know y'all got a lot of straight highways out there in Omaha ain't nothing really worry about a pig crossing the street or something like that man we ain't We got no pigs. You don't have a baby.
We don't have no regular pigs. We ain't talking about Texas.
No, I'm talking about Nebraska. Let me ask you this.
Hey, man, you ain't going to keep talking about Nebraska. Where you from? Old country.
I'm from Georgia. Yeah, old country.
Atlanta. I ain't from South.
I'm from South Georgia. Trust me.

Old country town, Georgia.

It is.

Yeah.

What's out there?

Farmland.

Yeah.

Hogs.

We got wheat.

Onions.

Onions.

Yeah.

It's farmland.

That's what you use.

Farmland.

Come on, man.

Your place can't compare to my place.

Come on, man.

Georgia.

You really look from Georgia.

I love you. Come on, man.
Your place can't compare to my place. Come on, man.
Georgia. You really live in Georgia? I live in Atlanta.
No, no, no. Where you from? Not where you live.
You live where you live at. I said where you're from.
You ain't going to keep talking about. I mean, I want to come to Omaha.
I'm going gonna check it out. We'll come to Omaha.
Come to Omaha. Okay.
What's the dish? What is Omaha famous for? What food? What dish? I just told you. What? Steaks.
Oh, you know, Omaha steaks? Yeah. What else? The hell I'm supposed to do? You don't eat meat, so how you know? Shit, I used to work there.
Those people used to mine them bugs up, boy. All over the world world they talk about all more states.
Yeah, they do I used to eat beef

Ain't like I ain't never right so so

What's

Bud's favorite meal so your mom or so but pasta. Yeah, give me some lasagna

So peace, I'm I'm pot. I mean peace the peace is okay.
I ain't I ain't no lasagna, no spaghetti Yeah, that's me lasagna. Some pizza.
I'm positive. I mean, pizza is okay.

I ain't no lasagna, no spaghetti.

Yeah, that's me.

You a breakfast person?

I don't really be eating breakfast like that.

Really?

I eat it here and there.

I eat it when I'm training, though. Right.

When I'm in training camp, I eat all my meals.

Right.

Yeah.

Are you ever going to leave Omaha, or are you there to stay?

I'm probably there to stay. I'm probably stuck there.
So wet. What about the kids? What about the kids? Say, Dad, you know what? Peace out.
I'll see you when you come back. Yeah, I'm comfortable.
You know how certain people, like you might move back to Alabama. You never know.
Right. You know what I mean? They'd be gone for 40 years.
They're like, man, when I die, I want to be buried home where I was born. So I'm going to come back home, settle down, give me a house.
And, you know, last 10, 20 years of my life, 15 years of my life, I'm going to be home. You're a big sports fan.
What NBA player, NFL player, you believe could box?

Because I see Dame hitting the gloves.

Dame got some skills for sure.

For boxer, Carl Anthony Towns, he be training.

You know what I mean?

He got some skills.

My boy D Smoke, he definitely got some skills.

He be really boxing, boxing. You know, football players, Ocho Cinco.
Ocho, man, you got to tell him stop playing with you. Man, he swear he Floyd Mayweather.
Was it, man, was it LaDamian Thomas? LaDamian Thomas. Man, he knocked that dude out.
Oh, no, you talking about, nah, you talking about the guy from Pittsburgh, the running back. Oh, Le'Veon.
Le'Veon Bell. Le'Veon Bell, man.
Yeah. Knocked that dude out.
He locked out Adrian Peterson. Yeah, Adrian Peterson.
Yeah. Frank Gore.
Frank Gore fight. Yeah, Frank Gore can fight too.
I was just having dinner with Frank Gore.

But yeah, man, LaDame and Thompson.

Hey, I got somebody I need you to train.

Stephen A. Can you help him out?

Man, you seen them uppercuts Stephen A. were throwing?

Yeah.

Man, I saw them things coming from.

What's up? We're here with LeBron, man.

LeBron.

Come on, man.

I got you. I got him.

I'll see you next time. I saw them things coming from What's up we're here with LeBron man LeBron I got you I got him I got him Yeah you got to help him out man I mean he said his rotators But he old though man he old though man He old man he need to She ain't He ain't worried about fighting no more man You ain't got to throw apart So you going to train him Steven I got train him? Steven, I got you.
Bud's going to come in and he's going to train you. He's going to get you out of this.
He's going to teach you to mess, stay over your feet, sit down, spin that front tuck. I'm going to teach him how to run.
No. He ain't got to run.
He just got to work his finger out. Work his finger and keep it steady.
Keep it steady and straight. He too old for all that.
You a Laker fan? Yes. You a Laker fan or you a LeBron fan? I'm a Laker fan.
I didn't even want LeBron to be on the Lakers. What? Yeah.
But we going to fall out, man. We going to fall out.
Why would I want LeBron on the Lakers when we was competing against LeBron? Y'all hadn't been competing in a long time. Y'all ain't won no championships 2009 and 2010.
And we won against the

who?

Let me ask you a question. You remember?

You remember when you beat Miami? Who was on the team

when they beat Miami in the bubble? It don't matter.

LeBron

was with us. That's what I'm saying.

But what I'm saying is when

LeBron played for Cleveland and all that,

we was competing against them. Yeah, yeah, we competing.
That's what I'm saying. So I didnron played for Cleveland and all that, we was competing against them.

Yeah, yeah, we competing.

That's what I'm saying.

So I didn't want LeBron on the Lakers.

Now you didn't want LeBron and Kobe?

I wanted Kobe.

Man, just imagine LeBron and Kobe.

Yeah, but that was imaginary.

But see, now just think about what the Lakers would be if they didn't have LeBron.

Yeah, we'd have somebody else. Well, yeah.
You remember what you had when Kobe retired? We'd have somebody else. Nothing.
We'd have somebody else. No, you didn't.
Hold on. Is it true Trey Songz tried to fight you? No, man.
Why everybody keep talking about that, man? Trey Songz was just having a moment. He was, you know what I mean, having a moment.
He going to put a miss on you? He going was having a moment did he know who you were I don't know that's why I said I couldn't understand you really could gauge it cuz you like do I do this for real like yeah that's what what it was is he serious or is he just playing i'm waiting for him to be like i'll just play with you but he didn't do that nah you go put i wasn't gonna punch when you would do a bad body blow i was gonna choke him come on come on man yeah i was gonna choke him he would have did one of them crazy swings I'd have ducked him choke dude I mean is anybody like cuz a lot of times people might have cuz they look at your size and they might not know who you are right and they like feel some type of way you ain't never gotten to it with a celebrity have you somebody like talking trash you like bro. Come on.
This ain't what you want. No, that was the only person.
That's really

Yeah, I like we got into a little artication with Jeezy, but it was not like that, right?

But yeah, I'm choking I

Only want to punch you. Have you ever been choked before?

No, so just imagine

Somebody like got your life in their hands. Yeah.
And they decide whether they want to let you go or not. Damn.
So just imagine when them people getting choked out in the UFC. Yeah.
And they like. Just imagine.
So if he taps you, you ain't going to let it go? That's what I'm saying. Just imagine.
You think think about it. If they don't ref, if they don't ref, they'll be like, hey, hey, hey, let him go.
You know what I mean? Like, you're gonna get up and you're gonna think twice, like, that nigga could've killed. Kill me.
Yeah, for sure. Yeah.
So you just choke him and just be like, hey, now, now, now, get on now. Clarissa Shields.
I don't think there's really any question that she's the best woman's boxer today. Of all time.
All time. You putting over Layla Ali? All time.
And I love Layla. Wolf? All time.
Cole Miner's daughter? All time. Really? There's no comparison.
Damn. At all.
All time. I love Layla too.
Yeah yeah but ain't nobody coming close to Clarissa right two-time Olympic gold medal yes three time undisputed yes well how many weight classes you did six six different weight class now I understand that ain't a lot of women boxing right but but she's the best of what's out there was it was ever been out there that still don't take away the accolades right she posed right it's no it's no comparison you got your name got dropped in a disc song Kendra Lamar name dropped you in a disc song

You like so when people have you up so what's it like to like here? You know? I said I want to hear my name called in a song, bro. Okay.
What song is I just want to hear my name calling the song

That's this forever. Oh, you know, ain't nobody.
Yeah, your name in that song forever. You know that right? Yeah for sure

My name been in plenty of songs, you know, but when I heard it I

Was just like oh that's crazy right that was it like everybody was hitting me up like man kendrick put you in this song you know i was just like oh yeah i like oh that's crazy you know and i just left it at that i didn't get like you ain't all all excited like, I'm getting residuals from this. No, I ain't getting shit.
It's fun. You was on the set of Creed III with Michael B.
Jordan and Jonathan Major. What's it like being on the set? Because they fishing you? No, it was dope.
It was dope, you know, to see Michael B. Jordan in his form, in his his element and see him navigating everything they shooting and then he's stopping and he grabbing the camera and he like all right we're gonna do this and we're gonna do this i was just like i'm looking back like man this dude talented man yeah you know for you to be in person acting right then directing then changing stuff You know, I go down.
How oh we gonna do it this way I'm like man that's cold you know what's it like to knock someone out you don't even feel it you don't nah sometimes you don't even feel it like you knock somebody out and you be like man I ain't even hit him that hard because the ones that you try to hit him with don't get him out yeah you be missing him or it don't get him out but the ones that you least expect it'd be like whoa it kind of surprised you right but sometimes when you hit him you know i mean and you can feel it. You be like, I know I got him.

So it be cool.

So you know when you get that.

What's the hardest hit you've been hit?

What you've received?

Probably Gamboa.

Bells ring?

You just like buzz? Yeah, he buzzed me.

I walk right into it.

When you watch that fight, I just put my hands down. I down was like i had just hit him with an uppercut walk they thought you had him huh

no i just looked at him like and he just cracked bop that mother said I said,

I said, fuck.

Let me grab this motherfucker.

Let me grab his ass.

Is today's boxers as tough as the boxers? Fuck. Let me grab this motherfucker.
Let me grab his ass.

Is today's boxers as tough as the boxers?

No.

Damn, you didn't let me finish, bud.

It ain't.

Boxers back in the days was way tougher than the boxers of today.

Could you imagine fighting with six- ounce horsehair gloves for 15 rounds you get knocked down the person standing up over you so when you get up he can punch you again wow or they used to fight until somebody got knocked out it used to be unlimited rounds so it's just like man it man, it's crazy. Man, them people was crazy.

Yeah.

But I think our skills have evolved.

Yeah.

Yeah, I agree.

You know, so.

It's a trade-off.

Yeah.

Sex before a fight.

Where are you on sex before a fight?

Yeah, nay?

Man, I'm hitting something.

But what about all the fighters that say,

nah, you don't partake in any of that?

That's a lie.

I've been doing that my whole career.

I think it's my remedy.

Remedy for what?

Before I fight.

It relaxes you?

It relaxes me.

Yeah.

I swear to God.

Not the night before the fight, but the week before.

No, no, no.

Home doing training camp?

Like Friday, Thursday. Like Thursday.
Thursday. Before the fight.
Yeah. Yeah.
but the week before? Nah, like... Home doing training camp?

Like Friday, Thursday.

Like Thursday, Thursday.

Before the fight.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I swear to God,

like everybody always asks me,

you know,

because that's been the thing people always want to know.

If I did, I'm like,

yeah.

Right.

It relaxed me.

Like, I don't want to go in the ring

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Right.

I want to go in there smooth. Right.
Water, water, being able to see everything. Right.
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But were you nervous because you had heard, I'm sure everybody told you, man, you can't have no sex before the fight, man. No sex before the fight.
The whole time, the whole six weeks, eight weeks, ten weeks, however long it is, man, you can't do that. And you did it.
And then you won. Nah, I just look at it like when you training, when you playing football, right, they tell you not to have sex.

They say get off your feet.

Okay.

But they ain't say nothing about her on her feet.

My point.

My point.

Thank you.

So when you, I tell people this, when you not training for a fight, you fuck and then you go work out. Right.
You don't think about it. The only reason why you're tired is because you're trying to be a porn star.
If you let her do all the work, then you're good. You're saving your legs, hip thrusting, squatting.
You ain't doing nothing that. You know what I mean? You're just getting your load off.
You know what I mean? And then you're good. But if you want to go out there and you performing and stuff like that, that's a workout.

Of course you're going to be tired.

Right.

So that's my take on it.

Right.

Kids, you got seven.

Right.

All your kids are about the same woman.

Six.

Six of them.

My last one, not.

You want more kids?

Are you done?

I don't know.

Damn, Nick Cannon. No, nah.
Nick Cannon got too many babies. You know what I mean? Nah.
Would you let your boys, you would let them, even the girls, you let them box? You let them play football? No. No boxing? No boxing, no football.
Come on, boy. Damn, you did it.

That's why I did it.

So they don't have to do it.

But what is it, Dad?

No.

You ain't let me be.

No.

He's going to be.

Sit down.

No.

He's 6'3", 200.

He ain't going to be 6'3", because I'm not 6'0", and his mom is not 6'0". So he ain't going to be 6'0".

He's lucky if he's going to be 5' five eight you know what i mean they think you guys have been together since the beginning right i mean and you know but and the thing is like i think everybody wants that that that fairy tale when i didn't have anything i had you now that i have everything I still have you doesn't happen often But I think everybody I think most guys long for that How did you know or did you know Highs lows in between no matter what she was gonna be she'll rather She put her to the test. How you? No, I'm saying you both put to the test.
Right. It's not just her.
Right. You put to the test to deal with the stuff that she brings.
Bring to the table. You know what I mean? She, so forth.
So, you know, it's a two-way street when it comes to that because you're going to put up with a lot just like she's going to put up with a lot and, yeah, I got to see if things work out. Right.
What is having her in your life, what has that meant to you? Oh, I mean, a lot, you know, because she's supportive with my kids and things like that. She handled my kids and it's not hard.
I mean, it's not easy taking care of six kids by yourself. So I love her dearly for that.
So when I'm out of training camps and, you know, like out in Vegas right now, she's handling the house and holding the fort down. Right.
So it's definitely appreciated. Right.
You know, for me to have a person like that in my corner.

But you said something interesting.

You said the last one is not by her.

Right.

Last one not by her.

Uh-oh.

And you mean to tell me how you sit here with your eyes not closed?

Things happen.

Like, you know, different circumstances.

How do you...

Walk us through it. How you go home?

Hey, baby. How you doing today?

I'm good, bud. What's going on?

I brought you something.

Hey, bud, what's going on?

Shit.

You know, hey, so...

How you doing? Sit down.

Bud, what you got to tell me, bud?

Nigga, I went on the way.

Just like that, bud?

See you next time. No, hey, so, uh, how you doing? Sit down.
Bud, what you got to tell me, bud?

Nigga, I went on away.

Just like that, bud?

She, you can't lie.

How you gonna lie?

You better tell her now?

It's gonna be worse with the baby cup.

Right.

She, I'm just a man.

What'd she say?

What'd she say?

Yeah.

Did you yell, scream, dot your yell scream? Dot your eyes Hey, you know what bud you ain't got you a you ain't got no three hundred thousand dollar car. She got one no She driving Mercedes Maybach GLE Now she gonna get, she's going to get Maybach.
Oh, you tripping. No, no, you tripping.
Maybach. No.
You're going to Maybach your ass to that GLE? Fuck. Ma.
Yeah. Yeah.
That's nice. That mug nice.
It drive by itself and itself and all damn how many kids you got three big baby mamas three three different baby mamas yeah so the first one in dot show on the second one then dot show on whoa whoa whoa whoa but i would i wouldn't i wouldn't with them like that but no no no i don't care you was with a baby, bud. But I'm saying, they thought you was with them.
No, I was with them. They thought you was with them.
It wasn't like your situation. But I wish I'd have had a situation.
That's the only thing I regret. That's the only regret I have.
I wish I'd have had all three with the same one. Yeah.
No matter whoever I was going to be with, I wish I'd have been able to do that. See, I'm cool.

I'm good.

You want more kids, too.

You ain't done.

I bet you have 10.

I bet if I come back four years from now, I bet you have 10.

I wanted 10.

I did.

I used to always say, I'm going to have 10 kids.

Man, you know, kids are expensive, bud.

It is.

That's why I pushed off.

Like, hey, hold up, man.

Yeah. Especially when they started getting older.
It ain't like when you... Talking about dad, can I, I'm 17, can I get a car? It ain't like when you and I were kids, bud.
It ain't. You know? It ain't.
But I love it. I love it.
My house is never dull. Right.
You know, I love being a father. You know, I love, you know, the whole yelling and arguing.
Really? Yeah. Yeah, yeah yeah man cuz you're gonna miss it when you get older yeah you're gonna be sitting around there with your with your wife she's gonna be grumpy it's gonna be a while before you have to worry about that I understand that but you're gonna be bored and you're gonna be like damn let me go maybe can you make some grandkids you know what i mean right because you're gonna want

them them kids to love you and things like that and i just you know uh my grandma she old and she broke her ankle one time and they put her in a nursing home to rehabilitate her ankle and to go in there and to see all those old people that don't have no family or the family members don't come right don't come as often yeah i never wanted to be like that like i never wanted to be like that i never wanted to die you know not loved or mistreated or my family not being there to take care of. So, you know, I know my kids, but I know they bet not.
That's all I've done. Y'all better be here.
I ain't going to no home. I'm going to be right here.
And y'all come take care of me. Thank you.
Thank you. And that's the joy of having a big family.
You know, everybody stick together.

My kids ain't got to worry about friends.

They got each other, you know, at the end of the day.

And when their mom and their dad and their grandma and grandpa pass away,

they're going to still have each other from start to finish.

Right. You know, they're going to have each other.

Because they're going to have me from the start,

but they ain't going to have me from the finish.

Right.

But they're going to have each other from start to finish.

I'm sorry. each other because they gonna have me from the start but they ain't gonna have me from the finish right but they gonna have each other from start to finish best of luck Bud Crawford you say you seem like you're getting ready you I mean you you real loose right now, but I can tell that the storm is brewing.

Right, right.

And you getting ready for something special.

I'm chilling, I'm chilling.

I'm always ready.

I'm always ready for something special.

You know what I mean?

You just got to stay ready so you don't got to get ready.

So let me ask you this. When you, like, you know what?

How do you determine, like, do you determine, do your team determine who and where you're going to fight? Or do you say, like, you know what, I want to fight this guy. He got a belt.
I think that'll be a very compelling fight. That's a fight that makes money, and it increases my legacy.
Well, it's a team, you know, approach, but for the most part, at the end of the day, it's my decision. Right.
Because I'm the one that got to go in there and fight and put the gloves on and risk my health and my life. So at the end of the day, it's on me.
Right. And my team's just supportive of what I want to accomplish in the sport of boxing.
You and I were talking earlier, and you said you were a football player, and then you're like, man, later for that, because you were small, I think you told me were 4 11 in the in the as a freshman yeah and so how do you determine how did you decide to say you know what i'm gonna try boxing well i was already boxing at the age of seven okay okay i mean so being that i had i had got kicked out you know i went to other sports right so i went to basketball football wrestling baseball things like that so playing different sports along the way when i got a little older i was just like man you got to make a decision right what sports you're going to play and i was just like man kind of too short to play basketball even though i played basketball in high school i was just like i'm going back to boxing what drew you to the sport of boxing uh i think boxing drew me. Okay.
You know, I think. You like to fight, huh? I love to fight.
I love to fight. I just think, you know, being that my dad, my uncle, my grandpa, you know, my mom was around boxing her whole life.
I think it was just something that was in the blood. Right.
You know, that's what chose me. So, you know, I've been boxing ever since.
Who was your favorite fighter growing up? Did you watch Sugar Ray, Hagler, Hearns, Benitez, Roy Jones? I mean, who was some of the guys that you... Roy Jones has always been my favorite fighter of all time.
Really? Roy Jones, Floyd Merriweather, hands down. Wow.
So, you kind of follow him, kind of what I think Floyd started off at 130, 35, 40, 47, went to 54. You started out at 35, 40, 47, junior middleweight.
Now you're going to try to, we're going to talk about that a little later. Jump two.
Two weight classes go all the way to 168, super middleweight. Roy did the unthinkable.
Started out at junior middleweight, 60, 68. Go all the way to 193, take the belt from Ruiz, come back down, do a light heavyweight.
When you were thinking like, hold on, in order to be special, it's hard to be special and just stay in one weight division. Did you always envision going up in weight and try to clean out each division? Not at all.
You know, when I look at my life and how I started boxing, I always envisioned myself being a world champion. That was it.
That was it. I never thought about being fighter of the year, pound for pound, number one fighter in the world.
Six times fighter of the year. You know what I mean? Like, none of that, you know? Well, nominated probably six times, you know, but I never thought of that.
You know, I just was like, I want to be a world champion. That's it.
You know, but along the lines of becoming a world champion, I was like, oh man, I want more. I'm not finishing it.
I want more. So every time I grab, you know, a new accoladeade I'm like all right well I want more I want you find something else to accomplish yeah for sure because when I'm looking at it bud you're the first male two time in two different weight classes to be undisputed than the four belt era yeah that you got all I if belt, if there's an Hermes belt, YSL, Tom Ford, you got it.

Right.

WBA, IBF, Ring Magazine, whatever the belt is,

you have in two divisions.

You're the first male to do that.

When you sit back, I mean, probably you haven't had

an opportunity to really think about it

because you're still in it.

Do you realize and understand just how special

what you've done thus far is?

Yeah, all the time. You know what I mean? Like, I was at my house the other day.
I just built a new house. It just got done.
And I was like, man. It's a Nomaha costing $57.
I was like, hey, man. Don't go home, man.
I ain't going to tell you. Hey, no, but listen.

So I was sitting in the house, and I was just sitting there, and I was just like, man, because sometimes I don't congratulate myself. Right.
You know, I just, you know, keep it moving. Right.
I was like, man, thank you, God. I was just like, man, you did all this with your hands.
like from this little dusty little black dude from the neighborhood that is your name on the street now. You did all that, came this far to this.
You know, it's a blessing. So I was just like, man, pat myself on the back, look at my accomplishments, and, you know what I mean, just think to myself that anything is possible.
Because you hear a lot of athletes say, you know, when you say, well, what do you think you've done? He's like, well, once I'm done, I'll get an opportunity to look back. And because you're still in the journey.
You haven't arrived at the destination where you say, you know what, I'm putting the gloves up, I'm hanging the trunks up, and I'm in. You're still on this journey.
And for you to sit here and say, you know what, I did. I mean, I was at the house the other day, and I'm looking around, I'm looking the trunks up and I'm in you're still you're still on this journey and and for you to sit here and say you know what I did I mean I was at the house the other day and I'm looking around I'm looking at the belts on the wall and I'm looking at all the accolades and I'm like wow I did all this when you say I did all this what are you thinking no I'm just thinking like you know more to come more to do is definitely more to come okay Okay.
It's definitely That's why I said anything is possible, right? You know because I was doubted my whole life Mm-hmm, you know coming up, you know, nobody thought I was gonna be where I am at great You know, I didn't think I was gonna be where I'm right especially living the life that I was living So, you know to accomplish so much in a sport of boxing when so many roadblocks was in front of me and try to stop me and block me from accomplishing the things that I've accomplished this far. It's like, dog, you overcame so much.
You can overcome even more in the future. Do you sleep well building up to the fight? Like obviously you say, you know, like the last six weeks you might go, you might come to Vegas, you might go to Colorado Springs or somewhere to go to get altitude training.
But let's just say the last two weeks of a fight, the last week, the waning out, like let's say last week leading up to the fight because you probably arrived. When you, if you're fighting in Vegas, how soon do you get to Vegas? Probably like two weeks.
Two weeks before. Yeah.
Do you sleep good? Yeah. Of course.
Do you still get nervous? All the time. I think everybody gets nervous.
I don't know a fighter personally that will keep it real and be like, oh, I don't get nervous. Right.
Because you never know. Like, I don't care how good you is.
I don't care how bad you think you are. That opponent always has a chance.
Everybody always got a chance. You know, it can be a punch that you don't see or some stupid, crazy, you know what I mean, punch, and, you know, it's over with.
You know what? I heard Floyd Mayweather, and I talked to Floyd, and he said that he didn't watch his opponents he didn't watch film on his opponent that was his dad's job that was his uncle Rogers job they did that and they would implement the game plan do you watch film on your opponents or do you leave that up to your training team to tell you okay this is what he does and this is how we're gonna combat that? Well for the most part everybody that I fought already seen them fought okay because i'm a fan of the sport okay you know so i follow you anyway you know but far as like watching you and studying you and sitting down nah like i'll watch some fights of you in camp but you're not gonna fight me the same way right no no fighter that i ever fought fought me the exact same way that they fought someone uh previously but when i played i i didn't want to watch a team that we're going to play so if they're playing on a monday night football i'm not going to watch them because i didn't want to get a false sense because if they play really good i'm like damn how are we going to beat this team if they play bad i'm like oh we got a cakewalk so anybody that we're going to play watching them on television. Now, obviously, I'm going to watch the film because I got to break them down.
I want to know what they're going to do down in this area of the field and things like that. But for you to say, like, you know, I've studied them.
So you're watching them. Let's just say you're ringside and you're watching them.
And you're like, man, if I fought this dude, I would do this, this. I would take this away.
I would do this. I would walk him into this trap.
Is that how you're you're thinking when you walk today because I'm analyzing the game as I'm watching a football game I'm analyzing it oh they're in this formation they're vulnerable here okay you better be careful because the blitz can come catch you here I'm analyzing the game I'm just not looking thinking about touchdowns or catches or yards I'm analyzing the game I'm playing the game within the game is that how you do it nah you just you you're paying okay you can do that yeah I'm watching as a fan you know I see openings but at the same time it depends on if it's one of my teammates or somebody I know that's fighting the fighter or or whatnot but I'm just watching as a fan but if I'm about to fight somebody right and I do watch I just watch for tendencies okay things that you know they do on a consistent basis okay you know he do this he do this he do this he don't like this you know they don't like certain things in a fight so you just break certain little things down when you you see the ringside do you get annoyed when people, Hey, what you think, bud? If he win it, he loses it. What would you do? Because when I'm at a football game, it's hard.
Or when I would go to a bar, hey, what do you think? Was that a holding? What should they have called here? What should they have done there? I'm like, bro, I'm trying to. Can you really enjoy the fight when you're at a fight? Yeah, for sure.
You know what I mean? Because for the most part, I'm with people that knows boxing. Okay, they know the game.
You know, so I'm not in an area where there's a whole lot of fans that don't know what they're watching. Okay.
So I like to be, you know, in a spot where, you know, it's a lot of boxing knowledge, you know. And then for the most part, you know, everybody's just watching it.
You know, you hear people yelling out things like jab or keep your hands up and so forth. But I'm just watching.
So you don't ever like, man, come on, bro. You should have ran this, man.
Get down here. Yeah.
Like as a competitor, you know, you think like, man, dude, you was tripping. Like you could have did this and did this and did this.
But at the same time, you don't got no dog in the race. So you just watch it as a fan.
Let me ask you this. When it's all said and done, could you be a trainer? Because I think, you know, we see Buddy McGirt did it.
I think Virgil Hill became a trainer. There have been a lot of guys that not like you.
Yeah. Because I think it's hard.
I think the greater the player is in a said sport, the harder it is from the coach because people think it came easy. And maybe it did.
You worked hard, but you just had natural gifts that allowed you to see things and do things a lot quicker than someone else that had to work for it. Could you see yourself being a trainer, bud? I don't know.
You know, I think training is tough. You know, a lot of people don't give these coaches enough credit.
You know, they gone from their family. They probably have 10 fighters.
You know, they camp here, camp here, camp here, camp here. You know, they're away from their families.
You got fighters that don't listen. You got fighters that talk back.
You know, you got you got to have a lot of patience to be a trainer, you know, or coach. Yeah.
And I'm like, you ain't got no patience, huh? I ain't got no patience. But they say that come with age.
Yes. You know, they said they say it come with age because, you know, you sitting here and you're trying to teach somebody something, but they keep doing the same stuff that you're telling them not to do and it's like bro like Because let me ask you a question have the coach ever like bud we worked on this in camp bud you can do this but just circle You know outside step outside Can you do you know like I damn I'm effing this up right now.
Can you Selfevaluate yourself while you're in the ring for sure you know I know what I'm doing wrong when I'm doing it you know but at times we all need a reminder right you know I might go back to the the corner and the coach might tell me hey listen you're doing this wrong you know I'm like I know I know then we have a conversation in the middle of the break. We're like, all right.
And then I come back and be like, all right, I see that you fixed that, but you're doing this now. Okay.
You know, like, let's tighten that up. Or, you know, he'll be like, all right, good job, good job.
I see you working on this. You know, because me and my team, we've been together since I was seven.
Wow. You know, so.
They know you, you know them. You feel very comfortable.
If they see me trying something, they see, they know what I'm trying. If they see me, how I'm moving or certain body languages, they already know what I'm doing.
Like, all right, I see you looking for it. You know what I mean? But try and doing this to bring it out of him so you can land what you want to land.

So, you know what I mean?

That's how close and tight me and my team is.

You're in the fight.

You're fighting.

Are you thinking about what you have to do?

Or are you like, okay, I'm thinking about doing this.

His counter to this is this. Are you trying to, like, pick up tendencies,

what he's trying to do?

Or are you more focused on what you need to do?

All of the above. You know, like head my head is racing like really like crazy you know I mean when I'm in the ring I'm looking at the tendencies I'm looking at things that you do I'm thinking that I'm looking at things you don't do I'm looking at when I faint what you do when I when I punch what you do you know I mean when I counter you what you do like every everything that I do in the ring is calculated okay you know so I know like I might do something and don't don't do it until four rounds later right but let me come back to that you know I mean or I might throw a feint at you and be like all right you know I mean I see you went for that but I ain't gonna do it right now but I'm gonna catch you a because we got a lot of time.
You know, so you got to be able to outthink the next fighter. It ain't all about what I'm about to do to this guy.
It's, you know, I'm going to break this guy down. You know, I'm going to take away his strong points and, you know what I mean, make it his weak points.
You know, so it's a lot of. hear other sports basketball players we've heard Jordan Colby LeBron great players that's zone football players Tom Brady Patrick Mahomes running back zone baseball player Barry Bond says I'm in a zone I can actually see I can tell the pitch that the pitcher's gonna throw before he actually throw it but what is it like when

bud crawford get in the zone man everything's just flowing you know can you like pinpoint like oh yeah you about to do i did this you about to do that i'm ready for that and then everything just like does it slow down i think i think every fighter at the highest level get into that zone and you just know because as a boxer you know if I throw this punch what punches can hit me what what punches can counter you know so you'll see some fighters they'll throw a punch and they'll miss but they'll be bracing for the counter because you know they know you know this punch can land if I if I if I throw this punch this punch punch can land. So if this punch can land and he counter with this, I can counter with this.
Because there is a counter for every counter. So every time you open up to throw a punch, you set the ball to give a punch.
But at the same time, if he counter me, I can counter him. So you got to always be thinking like you got a split second to think you know and that's when the winning starts getting a play but help me with this we see guys in amateurs and they don't win much and they become world champs and we see guys that maybe lose one or two fights in the amateurs and be don't win much and they become world champs.
And we see guys that maybe lose

one or two fights in the amateurs

and be some slaw when they come to

the pros. What is it

that big of a difference between the amateurs

and the pros? Definitely.

Definitely for one.

When I was in amateurs, we was

fighting two men in four rounds

in the nationals.

You got point system.

Everybody wanna...

Some people got pro style. Some people got

I'm sorry. fighting two men in four rounds in the nationals.
You know, you got point system. Right.
You know, everybody want to da-da-da-da-da. Some people got pro styles.
Some people got amateur styles. So you'll have somebody come in and throw a whole bunch of punches, hold, and survive for four rounds.
You know, that's the amateur game. But then you got some fighters that have that style that's just trying to catch up to you.
You know, you might jump out on them. But as you see, round three, round four, you know, this guy is holding, but he just skated away.
Right. You know, he know how to move, you know, within the amateur program.
But then when you see when they turn pro, the guy that was more tailor-made for a professional, you know, he'd be more successful. Then you got smaller gloves, no headgear, you know, and it's a difference.
But see, rounds. Getting ready for a fight.
How many rounds you going? I don't even count my rounds. Really? No.
Do you fight like, let's just say for the sake of argument, you're going, guy come in the first round do you have another guy come in the second guy round another guy come in with different styles? Yeah it depends we might go two rounds two rounds two rounds we might go three rounds three rounds we might go one one one one one to get different approach. You know what I mean so it's.
It depends on what the coaches want at that day. Sometimes you know we might spar one of a sparring partner the whole really session.
You know. You always spar in headgear? Yeah.
For sure. Protect yourself.
Right. You don't want to get cut.
You don't want to take too many punches in training. What size training gloves?

14 outs, 16 outs?

16.

16?

Yeah.

What type of gloves you fight in?

Tens, no.

I used to fight at eights.

Eight?

Well, what brand?

Everlast.

I had some Everlast.

Does anybody still fight in Reyes?

Because when I was growing up, everybody fought in Reyes.

Here and there, you'll see some fighters here and there, but for the most part. Everlast, winning, Gantt.
Well, not winning, but Grant. Floyd fought winning.
Because he had hand problems. Yeah, okay, because they are cushioning.
So you got Rival, you got Everlast, and you got Grant for the most part. Okay.
That people fighting right now. Canelo fighting his own gloves.
How did you decide what type of glove? With the trial and error, you fight in a lot of different gloves and said, okay, these feel the best? For me, I only fought in Everlast except my last fight. I think Everlast, you know, me being comfortable with them and them been the gloves gloves that I started with I just was always comfortable with them okay you know and then when I put on a different glove and they just was they just feel different because all of them made different so you know I was just always what do you what are you looking for in a glove because some people like like I want to feel my knuckle right to the top I want to really I want you to feel it.
I just want my hand to be comfortable because I got big hands. Right, yeah.
You know, so when I put them in the eight ounces, man, they be like this, man. Like when you go in the fight, you want everything to be comfortable.
Yes, you want to be healed. You know what I mean? So I used to get the MX's because they wider right you know the power locks is more thinner you know but it makes us wider so I put the guy that tapes your hand he's been taping your hand your whole career me yeah yeah you tape your own hands or you have somebody else table me you take your own He the guy, he been taking it.
Yeah, I have. Really? Yeah.
Are you the only fighter that does that? No, you got Manny Pacquiao that taped his own hands. Steven Nelson, he taped his own.
Fighters do it. Right.
I always did it because in the amateurs, you know, I had a time where I let one of my coaches take my hands and they fell asleep. And ever since then, I was like, man, I'm not doing that no more.
Going in there like, hearing all sleep and stuff. So I've been doing it ever since I was a kid.
Wow. Appreciate the technique, but you know, I should have been a heavyweight.
But see, the thing is, bud, what you've been able to do is because you did this for an extreme. Like you say, you started boxing at seven.
So you've got 30 plus years of experience. It's just like somebody plays football, somebody plays basketball, somebody plays baseball.
You're not going to start to say, you know what? I think I'm going to go, I'm gonna be a professional baseball player. I'm gonna pick this up in my 20s.

You ain't gonna never hit the curve.

You ain't gonna never hit the slider.

And you not gonna catch it with the fastball.

But you can see punching stuff

that I wouldn't even think about seeing.

That joke would've hit me about four or five times,

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