Hawks AF - Dominique Wilkins on his favorite dunks, matchups with NBA legends, & today's NBA

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Speaker 4 Yeah, you got this. You got the, oh, you got it down.
Yeah, I'm trying to get around. You got the silhouette down.
Yeah,

Speaker 4 we ain't playing.

Speaker 4 Hey, listen, man.

Speaker 4 America,

Speaker 4 we're here again on another beautiful day on the Hawks and Friends podcast, man. And I'm just trying to keep my composure because we don't get a chance to be shoulder to shoulders with legends.

Speaker 4 Shoulder to shoulders with icons, man. And listen, man, today's guest needs no introduction, okay? A Hall of Famer.
An icon, a legend. Everybody make some noise for Dominique Wilcox.

Speaker 4 Appreciate it. Appreciate it.
Appreciate it.

Speaker 4 What's happening? What's happening, man? It's good to see you outside of the Hawks arena, man. I'm telling you, man.
You're not as amped up today as you are at the arena.

Speaker 4 Nah, man, because you know, I really be into it. I really be into it.
You know what I'm saying? Like, but you amped up, but you ain't amped up like that. I'm amped up because I'm a fan.

Speaker 4 When I'm at that arena, I paid for them to hear my frustration.

Speaker 4 I feel you. You feel what I'm saying? No cap because they represent us.
I am really from Atlanta, but you have been representing Atlanta for quite some time, man. And we want to say thank you.

Speaker 4 Oh, you're welcome, man. I appreciate it.
You know, Atlanta basically made me who I am. Right.
You know, when I came out of high school,

Speaker 4 actually,

Speaker 4 I moved to Atlanta first before I went to the University of Georgia.

Speaker 4 And Georgia kind of got me out of the situation that I was in in North Carolina, which was a pretty intense, dangerous situation. Right.
And

Speaker 4 this was the first city that I came to.

Speaker 4 Man,

Speaker 4 and take it back to the 80s, man, the NBA draft. 82.

Speaker 3 First round,

Speaker 4 third overall pick. Like, how does that feel? Because, you know, I had a dream to be in the NBA, but it's people that actually lived our dreams.
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 4 So we be living through people. So when we say that, and when people say that to me, I really understand.
And when we see y'all on the court, everybody had a dream of being an NBA star.

Speaker 4 Oh, you know what?

Speaker 4 That was our dream growing up because I grew up in Baltimore, Maryland. Right.
And at the time, Baltimore had the highest crime rate in America at that time.

Speaker 4 And I left home when I was 16 and got discovered on the playground the next day in North Carolina where my high school career started.

Speaker 4 And a guy asked me, he said, hey, son, you live here? I'm like, I'm not sure yet.

Speaker 4 He said, where are you going when you leave from here? I'm like, I'm not sure. And he looked at me.
He said,

Speaker 4 come go with me. I don't know why I followed him.

Speaker 4 And

Speaker 4 he showed me his house, showed me a kitchen, showed me the bedroom. He said, you can have all this.
The only trade-off is you have to play for my high school team. He was the high school coach.

Speaker 4 In North Carolina. I looked, I was like, okay.
And that's

Speaker 4 how my career started. We were 76 and one in three years in the state of North Carolina, high school.

Speaker 4 How many championships? Back-to-back. Back-to-back.
Back-to-back championships.

Speaker 4 I don't know how they feel.

Speaker 4 I don't know how they feel. You know, in North Carolina, that type of record was unheard because I came out at the same time with James Worthy.

Speaker 4 We had so many. We had Mitchell Wiggins.
We had a lot of

Speaker 4 stuff. We had a lot of guys come out of North Carolina.
Of course, you had Mike come out of North Carolina and you had Jimmy and Black. It was so many guys that played

Speaker 4 in basketball in the state of North Carolina back, especially in North Carolina, Duke.

Speaker 4 You know, Wake Forest. My high school teammate went to Wake Forest.
So we had a lot of guys, man. And so to have that type of record in high school in that state, that's basketball Mecca.

Speaker 4 And for somebody to pull over to say, for somebody to stop their car, get out, and say, man, I want you to play for me, you got talent because my parents didn't even stop to even watch me.

Speaker 4 But you know, the funny thing is, his players was playing on the playground that day. And I just went out and started playing with them, you know, after I got off the bus.

Speaker 4 And he walked up. Right.
And, you know, and all was, the rest was history after that meeting.

Speaker 4 I'm going to tell you what, he might be the greatest coach that I ever have outside of Mike Fatello that I've had in my career.

Speaker 4 He refused to let us lose. I was just gonna say that.
So, we had a different we man, that team had a heart of a line.

Speaker 4 So, speak on like having like coaches because people don't understand roles are important.

Speaker 4 Let me explain something about coaching. Coaches are put there

Speaker 4 to help you develop,

Speaker 4 teach you how to play the game.

Speaker 4 And, you know, sometimes coaches use the best players as an example to push all the other players correct both all the coaches i ever had always jumped on me harder than anybody else because they first of all they know i could take it two is that if they could say stuff like that to me and get on my case and sometimes even belittle you sometimes

Speaker 4 nobody else can say anything.

Speaker 4 And so, and that's the way all the coaches taught and developed me. And that's how I learned how to play the game from a fundamental standpoint, from a toughness standpoint.

Speaker 4 One thing I hate when guys,

Speaker 4 when, you know,

Speaker 4 if a coach gets on you too hard, you shut down. You clam.
Got to build aggression. I mean, this is what we signed up for.
Right.

Speaker 4 You know, so it's a lot come with being the king when you're the leader of a team. Now, you got to speak.
Speak on that.

Speaker 4 Because you got to be able to take the heroics as well as

Speaker 4 the criticism. You are the target.
Yeah. And you know what?

Speaker 4 That's what I love. Right.
That's what any any great player would tell you from Michael to Magic to Bird, and I played against them. These guys was monsters.
The pressure builds.

Speaker 4 And the pressure makes us who we are. And the only way you can measure your greatness is you got to play against the greatest.

Speaker 4 And I'm glad you said that because I feel like it ain't no pressure in today's basketball. If you look at it, because OG, listen, man, when y'all was playing.

Speaker 4 From the 80s and the 90s, even the early 2000s, you still seen it. Like,

Speaker 4 they call fouls. It's like the game has gotten soft.
Well,

Speaker 4 you know, you could get away with a lot more. I mean, and they're shooting from full court.
The fouls are, you know, it is what it is. Right.

Speaker 4 But

Speaker 4 this is the thing.

Speaker 4 Big guys, right?

Speaker 4 If you stayed on the perimeter, I'm going to use a guy like Miles Turner.

Speaker 4 If you stayed on that perimeter as a big guy.

Speaker 4 like he does and a lot of the big guys and if you miss four or five of those threes you're coming out coming out you're coming out again.

Speaker 4 You know, even at small forwards, right? And if I wasn't making those shots, Coach said, hey, step in, get to the free throw line, get to the post, right? Take somebody off the dribble.

Speaker 4 And so we was able to mix up our offense. Right.
You know, because when you see highlights, I mean, what do you see? Right. Slam dunks, slam dunks, slam dunks.

Speaker 4 Well, it's very difficult to get over 26,000 points on dunks. I was a creative score.
Everything you see.

Speaker 4 Talk your talk now. You know what I mean? Because, you know, the mid-range game, post-game, getting to the free throw line, jump shot, I had all that

Speaker 4 back then. So it's like a lot of times people think that this is a new invention.
It's not. It's been there.
We took a lot more high percentage shots. It's just a fact.

Speaker 4 Because I hear a lot of times people say,

Speaker 4 well, the mid-range shot is obsolete. It's just a dumb comment because it's the most...
high percentage shot outside of a play up or a dunk.

Speaker 4 Now, if you're great shooters like Curry and a lot of these guys and Luke and all these guys, you're great shooters like them. Them guys can make those shots.

Speaker 4 But you got a lot of guys taking that shot that shouldn't be taking shots. You could develop a good mid-range shot.
Yeah, you know, you're dangerous. Kawhi Leonard.
Right.

Speaker 4 You know,

Speaker 4 even Steph, you look at Durant,

Speaker 4 DeRosen. Right.
He rarely ever takes a three. Or by Luca.
I like Luca. Luca,

Speaker 4 all them guys who can score all shoot mid-range shots.

Speaker 4 What a third.

Speaker 4 Well, again, guys like that kind of, you know,

Speaker 4 revolutionize

Speaker 4 the mid-range shot. Right.
Because, you know, it went away for a long time. Everybody trying to shoot three.
And then it came back.

Speaker 4 But them guys really showed the analytical guys that y'all are dead wrong. Right.
Because this mid-range shot, I can still get 30. Right now.

Speaker 4 I mean, I've had games where I had 52 54 and had one three.

Speaker 4 And people say, oh, it's possible. It's impossible for you to get 57 points and three quarters.
You didn't shoot three.

Speaker 4 Buckets on them all day.

Speaker 4 What that says, though,

Speaker 4 is I shot a lot of free throws. Right.

Speaker 4 That's where my threes came and ones. And so my whole objective was to get to the line.
Get to the line.

Speaker 4 And you have to attack people. And that's what we did.

Speaker 4 So

Speaker 4 looking at these matchups, because Michael stopped a lot of great,

Speaker 4 great teams that could have possibly been champions. If you're looking at the matchups right now, like, what was your toughest matchup?

Speaker 4 Oh, man.

Speaker 4 I mean, you know, Chicago

Speaker 4 was always tough. Right.
Chicago was always tough. New York, Philadelphia.

Speaker 4 You know, Indiana.

Speaker 4 Had Milwaukee. I mean, Philadelphia, they had a super team back then.
Tokyo, Topa. So.

Speaker 4 Everybody was tough. But, you know, I never feared anybody I ever played against.
There's one guy that made me nervous. Who?

Speaker 4 Out of New York. His name was Bernard King.
Wow. If you don't know who he is.
You got to look up Bernard King. What happened, now? What happened?

Speaker 4 Because he's getting 40 and nothing you can do about it. Nothing.
I mean, I couldn't sleep the night before I played against this. And he's getting 40 off top.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 And I answer the second, I said, look, I know he's going to get 40. So, you know what? I'm going to get 40.
We just call him Washington. We're just going to call it E.

Speaker 4 Because everybody got that Michael Jordan effect like they scared him. Michael and I are the only two foals in NBA history to average over 30 against each other for a whole career.

Speaker 4 Every time y'all played each other.

Speaker 4 And I didn't think about it. Somebody brought it to my attention.
I look back on those games. I'm like, whoa, he had 47.
I might have 42. I might have 45.
He might have 40. He had 60.

Speaker 4 I had, you know, 47. And all those games was like that, man.
Because he brought out the best in me.

Speaker 4 And I know I brought out the best in him. You know, we love competing against one another.
And that's one of the things. It ain't no competing no more.
I had to guard Larry Bird. I had to guard Dr.
J.

Speaker 4 I had to guard Worthy, English, Dantley, Aguire. Every night.

Speaker 4 We couldn't duck each other because I was not going to go over there and play the power forward position. They had a license to kick your butt.
And I was not dealing with them guys.

Speaker 4 So at 6, 8, and a half, you know, I'm going against some guys who are 6'11, 6'10, small forwards. But that's the way it was.
We didn't think twice about it. We were like, hey.
Now they picking.

Speaker 4 They nitpicking. Yeah, I'm like, hey, man.

Speaker 4 I'm like, bring it on, you know, you know. Because, you know, most of the time that I played against Boston, you know, Kevin McKel is seven foot was guarding me.
You had to go out there and bust it.

Speaker 4 It didn't matter. It didn't matter.
You know, the size. Right.
We never, because this is the thing, you know, most great scorers will tell you.

Speaker 4 And, you know, Bird and Jordan, the prime example of this. We never worried about the guy who was guarding us.

Speaker 4 We worry about the guy who was double teaming.

Speaker 4 Because we knew we can beat this guy. But if they they beat me,

Speaker 4 only guy.

Speaker 4 And see, people ask me sometimes, you know, how do you beat a double team? Okay. You go before it gets to you.
Right. You know it's coming.

Speaker 4 But if you can get by this guy first, the double team comes, it's too late. Right.
And there's now somebody open. Yeah.

Speaker 4 And that's how I used to get a lot of my points because I knew the double team would come. Now, if the double team comes quick,

Speaker 4 you know, you give the ball up. Because you're always going to come back.
So nowadays, you don't really too much see it.

Speaker 4 It's just a lot of the elements of the game just change. You don't really see a double team.

Speaker 4 The double teams is like you play an area. So if he comes to the area, you got help.
It was a lot of one-on-one defense back then.

Speaker 4 And of course, you need to help with certain guys because certain guys are

Speaker 4 just a monster. And because, like I said, my first eight games, I felt like I played against eight Hall of Famers as a rook.

Speaker 4 And I finally had to get over it because I thought, I know I had to play against these guys. Right.
But I'm going to let them know I'm a god too.

Speaker 4 And that was my mentality because you had to have that mentality. Them guys you're going to, you need to do Dr.
J's and the Guy's and Worthy and all them guys.

Speaker 4 Because Worthy and I, we all came out in 79 out of high school. We actually our high school senior class across the nation got voted as the greatest senior class ever.
Tokyo Talk. Because of the

Speaker 4 level of professional athletes

Speaker 4 that they created. Yeah, we had a lot of guys in that class to go to pros.

Speaker 4 And to speak of that class, like

Speaker 4 the aggression and knowing like the highlight factor was real back then.

Speaker 4 so even knowing that you know nowadays it's like the highlight countdown it's cool you done saw it before but it was like you it was demanded like you had to go out there and make the highlight like speaking of your iconic dunks what what's an iconic dunk that you remember and remember who you did it on man there's a lot of them man uh i think one of the ones that

Speaker 4 and it's been a lot

Speaker 4 Well, I think the one that they show a lot of is the one against Bob Lanier in Milwaukee where the clock was running down and I'm on the post. They throw it to me.
I will go to the middle.

Speaker 4 They cut me off. I went back baseline.
I jumped.

Speaker 4 And Bob Lanier, who was 6'11, covered the rim. I think he crossed his arms when he covered the rim.
And I turned in air. He was coming down.
I was still going up. Still going up.

Speaker 4 And I dunked it on him right before the buzzer. And that was one of my favorite dunks because most of my dunks

Speaker 4 in traffic

Speaker 4 was my favorite.

Speaker 4 You know, you know the the dunks I had against Boston where I shot and it hit the rim and I caught it over like three or four guys I mean those type of plays kind of changes the momentum yeah in the game so

Speaker 4 I mean a lot of my favorite dunks believe it or not was in high school

Speaker 4 In high school, I was looking in the rim in high school.

Speaker 4 I was really

Speaker 4 the one where you gliding all across the court. Oh, in high school, man, you know, our point guard was a wonderful point guard.
And it was every game on the jump ball, we were trying to get Alley U.

Speaker 4 Every game.

Speaker 4 If we got the tip, we had a design where we run wide and he'd just throw up either corner of the backboard, and we would go get it.

Speaker 4 Is there a moment in your career that you wish you could have done differently?

Speaker 4 No,

Speaker 4 you know,

Speaker 4 only thing that I regret regret that I didn't do is bring a championship here in Atlanta. I think that's the only I think that's the only thing I regret.

Speaker 4 But as far as if I would do anything differently, no. Because

Speaker 4 what I did and the way I did it, it helped build character,

Speaker 4 personality, respect. And so,

Speaker 4 you know, winning a ring, a lot of times people don't understand. It ain't always about winning a ring.
It's about competing to the highest level.

Speaker 4 Because I look at this, my ring was giving me the ability to play something that I love. That's my ring.
And so, you know, it's only one team that wins every year.

Speaker 4 A lot of great players have never felt that. You know, so

Speaker 4 that's the nature of the beast. That's the way it is.
But would I change anything? No. Maybe one thing, the money they make now, but you know, it's different.
It's different.

Speaker 4 He's bugging 256 matching. They had a good nine-piece beast scrape.
Yeah, I changed that. 250.
No.

Speaker 4 Oh, man. I can't even fathom that.
You know, it's crazy. That's crazy.
Now, me and you enter the same part of the building of the arena, you know, and

Speaker 4 you got a statue.

Speaker 4 You got something that's out there that's very, you know what I'm saying, inspiring to the city. Like you said, even though we ain't got no ring,

Speaker 4 it's you. The energy, the compassion, the aggression, the fight that you wanted to go out there and represent us.
We feel that. And we're thankful for that.

Speaker 4 That is our ring. It's the love that you showed our city.
That's our ring. Will you ever go into the front to even see the statue and just take it all in? Let me tell you a funny story.

Speaker 4 First of all, let me just say this.

Speaker 4 What he captured in that statue is everything about who I am. And so when I saw it for the first time, man, I was blown away.
I was so emotional, I couldn't even shed a tear. That's how

Speaker 4 I was that choked up about it. Because it's not just about basketball when you receive something.

Speaker 4 something it's what you've done in that city how you connected with people relationships or everything so you know when it went up

Speaker 4 I remember a couple of times I went down I drove by so one day I stopped by there I put a lawn chair out there had a beer just looked up as a big fellow we come a long way we come a long way

Speaker 4 you know and that that really felt good man because um

Speaker 4 It was a moment in my life that I never dreamed of.

Speaker 4 And even to this day, man, it's still surreal. So, you know, I was talking to Steve Koonan,

Speaker 4 our GM, and I'm sorry, our president and CEO. I said,

Speaker 4 I rode by the statue the other day, and it looks a little ashy there, Steve. I knew y'all got

Speaker 4 some lotion on that. Y'all gotta put some lotion on that.

Speaker 4 It's Deal LeBron's statue.

Speaker 4 And I went back a couple weeks later. It was shiny.
Shiny. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Shiny.

Speaker 4 So

Speaker 4 it's just fun, you know, for people to see me go down the interact because sometimes I'll walk by there and I see people stop by and they look at me. And it's like,

Speaker 4 is that you?

Speaker 4 I said, yeah, most people think it is. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Yeah, it looked like me.

Speaker 4 But

Speaker 4 it's just a pleasure to see people admire it, you know. No, man, it's just amazing, man, just to see you.
You know what I'm saying? Just get to smell your flowers while you stay here.

Speaker 4 Because, like you say, it's not about the ring. It's about the love.
You know how many times I say that? You know, I said, don't wait till someone's gone before you give them their roses.

Speaker 4 Give them their flowers while they're here and appreciate what they've done. You know, I remember when I first came to the league and I said to Dr.

Speaker 4 J the first time I played, I said, you know, I grew up emulating everything you ever done. I just wanted to be that next

Speaker 4 doctor.

Speaker 4 And I just wanted to let you know how much you meant to my life. And directly, you really helped me elevate my game to a different level.

Speaker 4 And he said to me, he said, I know they're calling you the next doctor,

Speaker 4 but it's only one Dominique Wilking on Dr. J.
But today you can start learning. And I remember he had a great game against me and I wasn't upset.
I said, that's the doctor. That's my idol.

Speaker 4 You know, but once I got over that, you know, it was nothing but competing. What?

Speaker 4 When did you realize I am Dominique Wilkins? When did you realize, like, you know what? I have to start making my own mark in the game because I'm here now.

Speaker 4 I knew before I came in the league, to be honest with you, because

Speaker 4 before I came to the NBA, I used to work out. A lot of people didn't know this because you couldn't do it at the time, but I did it.

Speaker 4 I worked out with Pete Mavericks and Maurice Lucas. So I got one of the most skilled guys in history who was for his time and Pete Mavericks.

Speaker 4 And I got the toughest guy and one of the toughest guys that played the game and Maurice Lucas, the enforcer. So when I came to NBA, I mean...

Speaker 4 I wasn't really ready. I'm ready to go.
But the thing about coming to the NBA in those days as a top three picks in the draft,

Speaker 4 you still got to pay your your dues. Yes, you do.

Speaker 4 I could have averaged 20, 25 plus my first year, but the old heads, as y'all said. Steel bust.

Speaker 4 And you know, I had Dan Roundfield, Eddie Johnson, the Tree Rollins, young fellow. Just play the game.

Speaker 4 Don't try to do too much. Ain't no time yet.

Speaker 4 But once I got their blessing,

Speaker 4 because that very next year, I remember Dan Roundfield said, now it's time for you to be the captain. You earned it.
So you had to earn their respect.

Speaker 4 You know, they didn't hand you the keys that early. That's right.
That's right. Okay.
So, so speaking of

Speaker 4 being in the game, like, was there any time where you got knowledge from an individual that you was inspired by?

Speaker 4 You know, especially like once you come in and you actually meet somebody that you've seen on TV. Yeah.
Because, you know, Dr. J, that was just, that was authentic.
That just so happened to be there.

Speaker 4 Was it somebody like you were truly like, I want to meet this guy? Well, he was the one. He was the one the guys i really learned from uh when i first came it was dr j it was uh

Speaker 4 uh

Speaker 4 maurice lucas

Speaker 4 magic i started playing summer ball with them before i came and they made george iceman gervin them the guys moses malone them the guys that i learned a lot from

Speaker 4 when i came late guys these these were these were not just superstars. These were legendary guys.
Right. They were playing the game.
And so I learned a lot from them.

Speaker 4 And I said, I want to be as good or better than those guys.

Speaker 4 And the only way you, again, the only way you do that, you got to play against the greatest if you want to beat the players.

Speaker 4 And it's crazy that you said it. You played against the greatest.
But not only did you play against the greatest,

Speaker 4 your career is longevity. And

Speaker 4 you can attest to this. In the NBA,

Speaker 4 nine years is, that's cool. That's good.
That's all right. You play long enough.
Well, you can establish, make you some money. Once you get in the double digits, 10 or better, 12, 13, 14.

Speaker 4 Like, you good, good. Like, they're trying to get every little juice about you.
Yeah, you know, I could have played two or three more years if I wanted to. I could have got to 19, 20 years, right?

Speaker 4 But at that time, it was changing. It was about

Speaker 4 really kind of

Speaker 4 nurturing the young guys, be the van, you know, investing that. Because I remember Chuck Daly said to me when I was in Orlando at the end of my career, and

Speaker 4 I had, I was starting averaging like 19,

Speaker 4 20 points, and like 8, 9 rebounds. But I was only playing like 18 minutes a night.
That's still the thing.

Speaker 4 And I remember he came to me, he said, we're going to start Matt Harpman because we need more scoring. And I said, Chuck, let me say this for you.

Speaker 4 You don't have to blow smoke out. I said, don't insult my intelligence.
Right, right, right. I was leading the league in points per minute.
Right.

Speaker 4 I said, if you want to start the young guys, hey, I'm not no problem with that. I understand.
Things are changing. That's cool.
But

Speaker 4 don't come at me with that. Come on, really.
It's scoring 20 points in 20 minutes. Yeah.
You're going to score every minute. Yeah, like, guys, this is what I've done.

Speaker 4 So if it's about development, I'm cool with that. But let me know up front.
This is what it is. Right.
It's about the business too. Instead of, you know, insulting your intelligence, you know.

Speaker 4 Come at me correctly. Yeah.
So I saw the change and I said, you know what? Maybe I'm going to retire and go into the front office. And that's what I did.
Say no more. Now,

Speaker 4 you've been in in the game for quite some time. Like, what is the most craziest fan interaction that you had?

Speaker 4 Because today's fans ain't fans. No, no.

Speaker 4 Back in the day was fans. Hey, listen.

Speaker 4 They had a guy in Detroit called Leon the Barber. I can't even tell you the stuff he said.
Some of the stuff he said to us behind the bench. And he sat right behind our bench.

Speaker 4 We had two big bodyguards sitting there. And some of the stuff he said, you can't say on air.

Speaker 4 It's not clean enough for television. But see, it was bad.
People don't know that. Like, fans back there was trash talkers.
He didn't get thrown out because it wasn't for us, it was entertainment.

Speaker 4 You know, we didn't

Speaker 4 get upset, get fans thrown out. We just didn't do it, not unless a fan came out of stands and did something they right.
But talking, right? All they did to motivate us, right?

Speaker 4 Because he's supposed to make you bring the dog out

Speaker 4 because that shows you your toughness, too. Kind of like shut up.
I'm going to get that fan thrown out. He obviously is a fan of mine because he's he came to see me play.

Speaker 4 He's talking crazy, and because this is what motivates him but you know what is something that same fan leander barber after the game would ask me for my shoes all the time so it was never personal that was he was supporting his team you know so it was a lot of fans around the league like that i mean we loved it we embraced it who was the best trash talker as a player oh man a lot of my brother was one of them

Speaker 4 yeah i remember he told me he said Big bro, you ain't scoring no more tonight. I said, little bro, I got 40.
I don't want to score no more. I'm done.
A matter of fact, coach, take me out.

Speaker 4 I don't even want to play no more. Well, you had to be taken out because you're too good versus you asking the coach, why are you taking me out?

Speaker 4 The only reason I said that because he was talking trash, but it was a lot.

Speaker 4 Chuck person, Indiana Pacers. Oh, my God.
It was almost like we fought every game. We had a fist fight or show me something.

Speaker 4 Every game. Every game.
Yeah. And then you got Larry Bird.
Larry Bird, if you wasn't ready, he took your heart.

Speaker 4 You know, Larry was great.

Speaker 4 It was quite a few guys that talked like that. But Larry and Chuck was some of the best.
Larry was number one because everything he said,

Speaker 4 he did it. He backed it up.
He backed it up. That's a bad guy.

Speaker 4 And that's why, again, I don't, I hate when people ask, I had a guy ask me, did I think I could score 15 points a game in today's game? Could you?

Speaker 4 I said, is that a trick question?

Speaker 4 I said, which quarter?

Speaker 4 I'm like, are you serious? Right. And I said, I averaged 30 in the hand check era.
Right. I said, what do you think I do if you can't touch me?

Speaker 4 I'm like, come on, man. Really? Can't text you.
We all like physical contact. Man, I wanted to bump and grind down around the basket because the thing about

Speaker 4 when you can feel a guy,

Speaker 4 you know how to play him.

Speaker 4 I already know how you play. I already know how you can play because if I can feel you, I got you.

Speaker 4 Because if I can make you commit one way, I'm going opposite. And people said, well, what do you mean by that? I said, a lot of times when you guys catch the ball, the first thing you do is dribble.

Speaker 4 Well, what you do, when you can feel a guy, you commit one way or the other. If you feel a move to your right, you know you drop and go left.

Speaker 4 And those are all the things we learned at high school, college to prepare us for the pros. So all that stuff, up and under, drop step, you know, power.

Speaker 4 We learned that at a very early age. The thing is, is how can you put pressure consistently on a team right if you don't attack? Right, you have to attack.

Speaker 4 See, my whole thing was: this is my strategy.

Speaker 4 If I'm playing against another great player on the other side of the board,

Speaker 4 if I can get two fouls on him early, now I create an advantage for myself because now he's not going to play me as hard. He's going back to the battle.
He's going back trying to get that third foul.

Speaker 4 And so you create that advantage early. Now you get going.

Speaker 4 Now the ball is going in the basket. You know, your level of confidence is elevated.
And, you know,

Speaker 4 you're trying to get that third foul on before you get to halftime. I feel like we're getting our coaching on, and since we're in our coaching, and this is Hawks and friends,

Speaker 4 what you think them Hawks got to do, my man. Well, first of all, we got to stay healthy, man.

Speaker 4 I mean, yeah, injury had been hit with that injury bug, and you know, we got guys out right now, but you know, I got to give it to these guys, man. They still fighting, right?

Speaker 4 We got to fight, fighting, they playing hard, got to fight, you know. And each night, it's a different guy to step up.

Speaker 4 Last game was Trey hitting a big shot. Need that.
Big fourth quarter that he had. But, you know, you look at Reese the Share.
He played well that night.

Speaker 4 Dyson Daniels played well. And that's what you got to have when you're decimated, you know, with injuries.
You got to do it collectively. It's hard to do it with one guy.
Yes, sir.

Speaker 4 And that's crazy because as a collective, as the city, we all want to say thank you. again

Speaker 4 for bringing that energy and that love. And that's why you got a statue.
Ain't nobody got no statue.

Speaker 4 You know what? There's only one jersey I felt good in throughout my career. And I'm not just saying this.
It's a Hawk jersey. When I was with Boston and LA Clippers and Sam, I didn't feel right.

Speaker 4 I didn't look right in those jerseys. He ain't look right in them colors, man.
Only this red and yellow matter, man. That's right.
That's right. Bart Spade.

Speaker 4 Here you in the head. OG, it's an honor, man.
Don't let this be your last. Oh, no.
We can do it anytime, man. And then you need your crib.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 They got a Picasso.

Speaker 4 He got a pool.

Speaker 4 And he got a gazebo. Don't nobody be over here.
The gazebo for him. You're right.
Yeah, that tiny house when I want to get away from my grandkids. I'll go over there.

Speaker 4 He got a tiny house to get away from his house. He got a house to get away from his original house.
He tired of that house. Hey, man, it's a blessing and an honor, man.

Speaker 4 And, you know, like you said, we just want to continue to give you your flowers while you're here. And we appreciate you.
And we're thankful for everything that you've done for the city.

Speaker 4 And we're glad that you came and did it for our city. That's why I wore this jersey, let you know, man, it's still here.

Speaker 4 That's crazy that you could do something so long ago, and it's still you know what's funny. I'm 33, you know.
You can get my jersey, I can't get it. Why?

Speaker 4 And so they had to order, which is a good problem. Yeah, I'm about to say you created it.
No, but no, the Hawks will always make sure that I have a jersey for the families and grandkids.

Speaker 4 And I have two great-grandkids. I'm a great uncle.
Oh, man, you're too young for a great uncle. That's what you say.
My mama had me when she was 45. My daddy was 61, OG.
Okay. Yeah.
Okay. Makes sense.

Speaker 4 My dad had graduated high school before you.

Speaker 4 Show you right on that.

Speaker 4 Show you right.

Speaker 4 Hey, OG, Atlanta, man. You know what's up, man? Hey, man, it's a great episode of Hawks and Friends.
Get it?

Speaker 4 Yeah, this is my area. You got to have a pad.

Speaker 4 You know, time I really come in the house of them but eat right

Speaker 4 or go to sleep. Right these two rooms this is the getaway man.
This is my this is my humor door right now. I can't wait till my house is done so I can get my

Speaker 4 I see I got my pads down on here. You know why these are here right? Uh-uh.
Because when you smoke in here, you can't burn my chest.

Speaker 4 Oh, okay.

Speaker 4 This is this is

Speaker 4 to cover my chest.

Speaker 4 I thought it was just like, you know how old folk keep the plastic on their furniture. Well, it's something like that.
Okay.

Speaker 4 We need a full booty stink ride. Yeah, it's a booty rug.
Hey, look, I don't want nobody, you know, burning holes in my chest.

Speaker 4 But, you know, both of these areas, like, it's like my

Speaker 4 cigar bar. You drink.

Speaker 4 Uh, yeah, you know, I got a little. See, this one, this one, like, more family-oriented when, even when the family want to get out, but this one, I had my business meeting, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 I have a lot of meetings out here, yeah. You know, we do a lot of podcasts from time to time out here, but I wanted this to look more like a log cabin, yeah.

Speaker 4 And then, you know i have my own my own um you got your own go yeah i got my own bourbon

Speaker 4 i'm gonna give you a bottle yeah give me a bar oh there's one too that was yours walking around the crib

Speaker 4 i built the floor myself i did the floor myself and you so you telling me you got down here and you and you

Speaker 4 leveled it sand

Speaker 4 until you realized you needed somebody professional to finish it no no i finished it for real yeah i did this whole floor i did this. I did this backsplash here, that whole wall there.
That's fine.

Speaker 4 And the only thing I had, because we had shingles at the top.

Speaker 4 Got to get rid of the shingles.

Speaker 4 So I had somebody that could do the roof, but the floor stuff I did. Oh, yeah, that's it.
Then I came and put heat and air, and then I put, you know, cigar.

Speaker 4 So you do, you do, so you be reconstructing houses too. I ain't gonna say all that, but

Speaker 4 anybody that can do a flow,

Speaker 4 that's the start. As long as you need a flow before you get a build.

Speaker 4 I'm really handy.

Speaker 4 I like that. See, I'm a country boy myself.
I built a lot. Even the little boards on my tiny house, I built those.
I put those boards on. Oh, that's all right.

Speaker 4 And

Speaker 4 actually, we took my old fence down, but my uncle and I built the fence. Y'all built the fence too? Yeah.
You dug it up. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 4 Stuck the wood down.

Speaker 4 You know, I got my nail gun and the whole thing. You know, that's engineering.
That's engineering. Right.
That's engineering. See, people don't know that that's engineering.

Speaker 4 I've always been a handyman. I come from a family that the men of the family always work.
You got to. And work inside and out.
Right. So, yeah.
Got to get dirty. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Yeah. Only thing I like when my kids come here, they take basketball and they throw them all over the yard, and I got to come pick them up.
I'm about to say, I thought it was a boat.

Speaker 4 I'm going to say, you don't do no fish. Oh, no, no, no.
You don't fish? Oh, well, yeah. Yeah.
Okay.

Speaker 4 I bass fish. Okay.

Speaker 4 I've been bass fishing.

Speaker 4 My dad.

Speaker 4 Father from North Carolina. That's all they did.
Fish and hunt. I used to hunt too.

Speaker 4 I used to steal my grandfather. He had had a gun to shoot 16 times.
It was silent. I used to go out and shoot at the barn.

Speaker 4 Boy, see, I thought I was good. I ain't good.

Speaker 4 I'm gonna keep this bourbon right here.

Speaker 4 This is my championship trophy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's what hey, that is excellent bourbon. And you know what? I don't drink, but I'm gonna drink that.
You know, I'm not much of a drinker.

Speaker 4 Usually, it's for other people. Right.
I kind of experiment a little bit, but not, I'm not a big time.

Speaker 4 Well, you know, I'm gonna ready to replace this whole floor because I've had it here for a minute and it's starting to fade.

Speaker 4 So CBA Sports, which I'm partner with,

Speaker 4 this is what we do. We do outdoor courts.
Right. We do indoor courts.
And yeah,

Speaker 4 you got the, oh, you got it down. Yeah, I'm trying to get it right.
You got the silhouette down. Yeah.

Speaker 4 We ain't playing.

Speaker 4 What?

Speaker 4 Hey. Wow.
That's the box fade I was talking about, man. Hey, that's funny.
That's funny.

Speaker 4 So, yeah, so we have a court building company. Actually, I have my own signature floor coming out.
Right. You know, how would they? Because

Speaker 4 I'm not sure. So I got you.

Speaker 4 If you want a court, just call me and I'll make sure they get over and look at your property. Yeah, I need one.

Speaker 4 Matter of fact, I want this same silhouette. Matter of fact, I want this same court.
You know what? That's why I'm going to do it. With the Hawks, I'm going to make sure he get my information.

Speaker 4 And I'll send the guy to the hell. Because they'll come out and look at your property.
Same court. See where you want it.
And

Speaker 4 I got up now. And see, this is also a tennis court, too.
Right.

Speaker 4 Because

Speaker 4 I have rebounders here. These are rebounders.
Right. And then you have the hookup.
These right here are rebounders? Yeah, that's the rebounder.

Speaker 4 Oh, for the tennis. I mean, actually, like, if you want him shooting by yourself,

Speaker 4 you can just, you know, this is, this is

Speaker 4 your rebound. So what's it, what's your, what's, what's your technique of a perfect jump shot?

Speaker 4 Well, I don't know what it is now, but back then, it's just keeping it, it's going straight up and down, give it balance. You know what I mean? Right.

Speaker 4 I'm pigeon-toed, so you know, right like this, go straight up and down.

Speaker 4 It goes crazy. Let me see.
Yeah, you got to have form, baby. You got to have form.
I'm old, man. Now I can't shoot it like I used to.
Don't worry about it.

Speaker 4 That's a good-looking shot.

Speaker 4 That's a good-looking shot.

Speaker 4 Nah. Coach.

Speaker 4 Told me that I wasn't going to beat you. But I'm going to tell you, though.
I'm going to tell you, though, the first thing I would tell you, though,

Speaker 4 start right here.

Speaker 4 See? Most kids.

Speaker 4 What's the first shot they take the three a three

Speaker 4 you two you know what see the ball go down take an easy shot see what i mean take like two of them and then you step out right knock down like two of those

Speaker 4 there you go now you can step out or go to the corner what whatever you're comfortable with now you're not seeing that ball go down right you know i've coached both my sons both of them see but look and my daughter is it isn't that like a blessing for you to give off some game to your loved one especially that you know that they can use it.

Speaker 4 I think we have a social responsibility to give back what we've learned. Right.
And when I hear people say, oh, well, I'm not a role model. I don't like being a role model.
But you are.

Speaker 4 Once you put in that position,

Speaker 4 you have an obligation to give it back. Right.
You know, that's why, if you ever see me with bodyguards, all that stuff,

Speaker 4 how can you connect to people if people can't even touch you? Interact with you, touch you.

Speaker 4 I mean, so that's why I get respect from places i go especially in the city of atlanta because i'm one of you guys that's how i like when i'm moving in the city like i understand when i'm out that's cool certain times you may need that but when i'm in the city man i don't need no security i know how to move around you need negative wood i go to the grocery store i'm outside yeah i'm telling you i go to the grocery all that stuff and people are like hey nick how you doing because they see me so much how you doing so you know i don't have to have all that around right so right and that's how you stay connected with the earth with with with life you already know what's going on because i'm a i'm a people just because i do this i'm still a human being yeah you know what i'm saying and that's why people that's why people love you because when you do that man you got a little jump shot there man i tried to do a little something something once he once he told me i wasn't gonna be nothing i i put the jump i put it down i put everything down

Speaker 4 yeah so my my my son is my youngest son 6'11 right right

Speaker 4 He used to come out here, him and his friends all the time, and they kept the gold. All they wanted to do is dunk.
I said, Man, put the gold up. What are you doing?

Speaker 4 I said, if you want to learn how to play the game, put it up 10 feet. Right.
Well, dad, it's just me and the fellas. I like, put the gold up.
I mean, I'm screaming at him all the time. Right.

Speaker 4 Now he finally realized why. Because he done tried on it.
He didn't do anything with the goal. Samflutter.
You ain't did nothing.

Speaker 4 I see him. And actually, it was a little bit lower than this.

Speaker 4 I'm like, come on, son.

Speaker 4 So the funniest thing, so as he got taller,

Speaker 4 you know, I think he was six, eight at the time. He had a couple of his friends come over, and he asked me to come out and play with him.
I said,

Speaker 4 I don't know, I'll be out there in a minute, son. So I saw him on the court from the window, and he kept looking back and see if I was seeing him.
See if you were coming. I said, you know what?

Speaker 4 I got a call. I got to go.
I got to call. So it was me and him against two of his guys.
And these kids were like 6'8.

Speaker 4 Both of them 6'8. And, you know.

Speaker 4 And one of the guys said, don't worry about his pops. This guy, Jacob.
i'm like what what

Speaker 4 what

Speaker 4 you tried me oh man i started i started i was wearing this little kid out right and so he tried to go by me he hit me in the chest my son said oh he hit a brick wall

Speaker 4 you're gonna learn today son hey i heard for two weeks that was the last time yeah that was it no that that wasn't in my um

Speaker 4 that wasn't in my uh

Speaker 4 forte right as uh

Speaker 4 playing with

Speaker 4 the beat every day yeah and it wasn't in my wheelhouse So I'm just going to be some game.

Speaker 4 It was fun while it lasted because I knew he wanted. He wanted me to be able to

Speaker 4 come out. He wanted that experience.
Tell his, you know, say this friend, his dad out there playing. Remember, me and dad to bust y'all.
Yeah. Yeah.
You got to pull that goal up.

Speaker 4 You know, first of all, it's a God-given talent, a gift of being able to elevate, you know. But somebody dunk for the first time,

Speaker 4 make sure the goal is at a height that you can reach it. I'm sorry.

Speaker 4 you know you know

Speaker 4 me you know i believe my first dunk was 13 years old i had to dunk 10 footer before i don't think i can do it again i mean i i don't say cane in my vocabulary i can see practice makes perfect you know i don't practice the dunk you know i just noticed that shirt man yeah we don't play that's a nice shirt we don't play man We represent Ryan Henlina, man.

Speaker 4 We get it in blood. And we represent.
All right. They want to see what you got.

Speaker 4 See what you got. It's all about which dunk you want me to do.
What? What the back boy?

Speaker 4 I'm going to go crazy. I'm going to go crazy.
Okay, they want it off the back boy. Off the back boy.
Off the back boy.

Speaker 4 I've ordered a two half of myself. You know, that's that was one of my uh slam dunk contest winning dunks there.
See, but this now I gotta be. It's all timing, baby.
It's all timing.

Speaker 4 It's all about time. It's all about time.
It's all about how you bounce. I ain't know that back boy.
I don't know how to get too hard. I know that backboy had a little seamen on.

Speaker 4 Oh, yeah, that's it.

Speaker 4 There you go. There you go.

Speaker 4 Dunk contest now, don't got soft. Hey, oh, man.

Speaker 4 They be doing stuff, looking at it. I'd be like,

Speaker 4 you ain't do nothing.

Speaker 4 And you know what?

Speaker 4 Now, McClone is doing it again this year. Right.
For a three-peat. Right.
It's amazing because you got a guy coming out of G-League.

Speaker 4 Telling me the little shot one yeah he's been doing the thing if I'm an NBA player man I'm embarrassed embarrassed G League got beat me embarrassed no sir okay so think about it like this right

Speaker 4 how you

Speaker 4 how you looking at it how do you see that

Speaker 4 right now

Speaker 4 you don't have to make it to the NBA

Speaker 4 They got so many that's what it's saying. They got so many avenues.

Speaker 4 You right, coach. I probably won the NBA player, but I'm an NIL Europe League player.
Yeah. You never taught me that.
I only thought NBA was the only way. You know what?

Speaker 4 If you're an NBA player, you work all your life to get to this level. Right.

Speaker 4 And ain't nobody at this level. Right.

Speaker 4 And this does, I pay you. I'm sure Michael Jordan matched him all text.
Right. He come and beat me.
Right.

Speaker 4 No.

Speaker 4 Not happening.

Speaker 3 Because it's pride.

Speaker 4 Right. You know, pride.
it's all about pride man you know hell we were going to the toughest guy right to do the contest right you know

Speaker 4 and we had to bring it you know my first dunk contest was dr j larry nance uh daryl griffiths i mean these are legendary dunkers that was in this dunk contest right and again i didn't do very well in that dunk contest because i'm stargazing because of dr j

Speaker 4 That was my guy, you know. And so once I got over that, that next year, I said, I'm not going to just be in the dunk context.
I got to improve. I got to show myself.
I said, I'm going to win it.

Speaker 4 Right. And I won it that next year.
So, you know, that was my mentality. Right.

Speaker 4 I played the game at one speed. That was all out.
Right. That's the only way I knew how to play.
Right. You know, I wasn't going to come at you.
And I get out on the break.

Speaker 4 Ain't nobody beating me down for it. And you look at guys like myself, James Worthy, Smooth Pippa, how.

Speaker 4 Fast we ran the lanes.

Speaker 4 I think suicide is all that came about. Ain't nobody suicide.
No, no. We ran the fast break.
We wasn't going to stop at the three-part line. We get into that rack, especially early in the game.

Speaker 4 I see, okay, cool. Get into the rack because it's

Speaker 4 getting easy too. Right.
And you got a chance to get away. I see too many people right here.
So when you want a fast break and there's nobody between you and the basket, especially early in the game.

Speaker 4 Now, late in the game, the game close, you need to be, of course. But early in the game, you rush it, punch it.
You get that too easy, too. Now you're seeing the ball go into basket.

Speaker 4 But this is what we see. You don't start pressing.

Speaker 4 We're seeing three, four people in the three-point line, one person at the post, and you like, and you got one person on the side, like he waiting on him to come over here with the, and you like, ain't no move.

Speaker 4 Y'all ain't making no, y'all ain't set up no plays. The classic way of running a fast break is when you get it, you get it to that point guard.
Right. And you fill the lanes.

Speaker 4 You go wide and then you cut in. So you got a choice.
Either side. Now, if they don't get it, you go through and you cross.
Right.

Speaker 4 Now the big guy come down and you have what they call a secondary break. So the ball never stops.
So check this this out, right?

Speaker 4 Just like you said, if you would have missed four or five shots back then, you're getting out the game. Oh, I could.
They got Sillas coming up the court with the ball. How? When we start doing that?

Speaker 4 But see, the thing is, the object of the game, to get the ball up the floor as quickly as possible by any means necessary. So yeah, I brought the ball up the floor a lot, but I was pushing it.
Right.

Speaker 4 But most time, I wanted to be the one to finish the play, not start it. So I get that ball to Doc Rivers Webb, and I just fill those lanes.
Right.

Speaker 4 Because I know it's coming back to me but how you'll how you gonna get a rebound if your center bringing the ball up so many layups and dunks and one plays right the rim because we was willing to run we ran the ball before makes and misses so we'll never get secondary chances second darage chances if our center is bringing the ball up who gonna make the who's gonna get the rebound

Speaker 4 the guard

Speaker 4 how when the power when he came he ain't taller than the power four yeah but you know again it was just a different way of playing back then.

Speaker 4 I was trying to be very efficient. Right.
And how do you do that? You got to attack. Got to attack.
See the ball going to battle. Get to the free throw line.

Speaker 4 And like, what you see in the mid-range, I was doing all that mid-range stuff way back then.

Speaker 4 How you feel about people doing this? Because I see this a lot.

Speaker 4 I see this a lot.

Speaker 4 Guard or power four, whichever one on, beat they man. You can tell it ain't in their contract to shoot too many shots.

Speaker 4 They got a free shot. I already know what you're saying.
And here they go. You know what I'm going to give to you.

Speaker 4 But that gets on my nerves. It drives me crazy with big guys to see them get right here.
And they pass the ball.

Speaker 4 If you did that back on, if a big guy would have passed that ball back out when you're right here, again, especially early in the game. Right.

Speaker 4 You might not see a lot of playing time. Because you're giving up an easy

Speaker 4 baby.

Speaker 4 You know he ain't going who he ain't going to make it. Because this is a high percentage shot.

Speaker 4 But I see so many guys rim is right there and they do this throw it out that's the that's bizarre to me because even as a smaller guy i'm not a center out with small forward right if i got the ball in here it ain't coming out

Speaker 4 i'm trying to get this guy in foul trouble and get it easy too you know the thing you don't see

Speaker 4 i had a jump hook right you know i get the ball here for example i get a step right dribble using this using my bowl to give me

Speaker 4 to throw it out, but that's holy guy at bay. Got a jump hook.
Or if I get it right, right. And that's like I said, come here for a second.
Let me show you something. Right.

Speaker 4 If I go this way and you go with me, right? Right. Then go with me now.
So if I'm gonna go with me, I'm this. You're gone.

Speaker 4 You gone. Yes.
Right. You're done.
You're gone. You know.
Or if you're guarding me, I take a step up. I rip through.
Then I come through. Right.
Or I go the opposite way. You got opportunity.

Speaker 4 Sean, then I go this way. Right.
Then I throw it off the glass and then. Right.
You know, that's that's the things we were taught. You know.

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