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Speaker 27 What was we suspected all along? Kevin Stefanski said he was going to name a starter today, and he did. And just like Ocho and I surmise, it's Joe Flacco.
The 40-year-old, we're

Speaker 27 making his first week one start since 2022 when he's with the Jets. TBD on the rest of the depth chart.
Kenny Pickett has not played since he tweaked that hamstring.

Speaker 27 Dylan Gabriel got the start on Saturday. Shador did not play because of an oblique injury.
He started the first regular preseason game. And Tyler Snoop Huntley is also on the list.

Speaker 27 Adam Schefter said this morning, I expect the Cleveland Browns to carry four quarterbacks on their 53-man roster. Wow.

Speaker 27 That doesn't normally happen.

Speaker 27 It's just, I think they're afraid that if they let one of these guys go, somebody's going to snatch them up.

Speaker 27 You'd probably like to probably, you know, cut them and then have them come back on the practice squad, but they don't feel they can do that.

Speaker 27 They feel that if they were to release Gabriel, excuse me, release Dylan Gabriel or Shadur Sanders, somebody would sign him to their active roster, and you don't want to run that risk.

Speaker 27 Guy that's been in your program for the better part of six months,

Speaker 27 April, since April, since the draft.

Speaker 27 So you don't want to run that risk.

Speaker 27 Excuse me, guys,

Speaker 27 but I don't think any of us are surprised that Joe Flacco got named a starter.

Speaker 27 He didn't play, but Stefanski did, the head coach Kevin Stefanski did say they're going to treat this as a dress rehearsal of what they might do in week one.

Speaker 27 So, Joe Flacco is going to get the start for the final preseason game,

Speaker 27 and we'll see how that works out. But I don't think we're surprised.
I don't think any of you are surprised that Joe Flacco was named a starter.

Speaker 27 You look at Kenny Pickett, he has not been able to do anything, any team drills since he tweaked that hamstring early, early in training camp.

Speaker 27 Obviously, Dylan Gabriel was nicked the first, you know, first for about 10, 11 days. Then he came back.
Shador

Speaker 27 played really well the first game. Then he got an oblique injury.
He was out. And then Dylan Gabriel took it over and then he

Speaker 27 played fairly well. I mean, he had a pick.

Speaker 27 But I don't think either guy did anything. I mean, look.

Speaker 27 You are where you are. I mean, some people say, well, Dylan Gabriel has played better.

Speaker 27 I haven't heard anybody say that, but some people like Dylan Gabriel and think what he brings to the table.

Speaker 27 I was listening to somebody today say Dylan Gabriel has a stronger arm, throws with better anticipation. I don't know if I necessarily agree with that or believe that.

Speaker 27 It's going to be a very tough decision, but in order for them to carry four quarterbacks, that means

Speaker 27 they're not really sure.

Speaker 27 And they don't want to make the mistake.

Speaker 27 Nobody wants to make the mistake and get off one of these quarterbacks, have him go somewhere else and play really, really well when we had him in our fold so uh that's what i deduce from that uh cleveland put themselves in the bind uh by you know signing joe flacco to a one-year i think they traded for kenny pickett and then selecting two quarterbacks one in the third one in the fifth and you find yourself in a situation because none of these quarterbacks really uh have separated themselves from the rest of the guys uh pickett didn't really get a chance to separate himself because he's been injured for the better part of training camp and so i don't know does he start?

Speaker 27 I don't think he starts on pup.

Speaker 27 How is he progressing, Ash? Do we know anything about how he's progressing?

Speaker 27 Be interesting to see.

Speaker 27 I don't think you put him on pup because you put him on pup, he's going to put him down for six weeks. I don't think it's going to take that much length of time.

Speaker 27 He'd be out almost three months with a hamstring injury.

Speaker 27 Wow. So we're coming up on a month.

Speaker 27 Funny that you say that because Justin Jefferson just returned to practice and he was out for 25 days. And we're going to talk about that in a little bit.
But these hamstrings are very, very tricky.

Speaker 27 You want to err on the side of caution. The last thing you want to do is miss that amount of time.

Speaker 27 Come back and tweak it again because you're probably going to double the amount of time that you're going to miss moving forward. So Cleveland Browns named Joe Flacco as their starting quarterback.

Speaker 27 They did not give a depth chart after Joe Flacco.

Speaker 27 Normally it was Kenny Pickett two,

Speaker 27 Dylan Gabriel three, and Shadura Sanders four. But I guess that's in the next couple couple of days.
We'll find out. We'll see how healthy Shadur is.

Speaker 27 Is that oblique healed well enough for him to get some action

Speaker 27 in the final preseason game?

Speaker 27 We'll see.

Speaker 27 But Joe Flacco, name starter for the Cleveland Browns to start the 2025 season.

Speaker 27 Titans quarterback Cam Ward got into a scuffle with DT Jeffrey Simmons and Cam. Cam Ward and defensive lineman Jeffrey Simmons got into a scuffle on Monday.

Speaker 27 Ward threw a touchdown pass to Calvin Ridley toward the end of practice and went over to celebrate.

Speaker 27 The rookie quarterback stopped, gave Simmons a shove before doing the trademark zombie land celebration in front of him. Simmons reacted with a two-hand shove towards face mask.

Speaker 27 The offensive lineman came running to help towards defense.

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Speaker 27 I think we kind of had a conversation.

Speaker 27 We kind of had a conversation about this a couple of days ago. I wish Ocho's connection would get fixed because this is what I wanted to ask him.

Speaker 27 I think both guys need to be smarter in a situation like this. That's your starting quarterback.
You're only going to go as far as he take your Jeffrey.

Speaker 27 So, look, you don't want to do anything to hurt that guy. He's the number one overall draft pick, and all your hopes and aspirations are pinned on his shoulder.
Now,

Speaker 27 Cam, that's your team, mate. I mean, come on.
And it's been a long day of practice. They said this happened towards the end of practice.
And anytime like that, you know, guys are frustrated.

Speaker 27 I didn't want you to score, but

Speaker 27 you stopped and celebrating my face.

Speaker 27 I'm not feeling too well. That might be the reaction that you get.
But normally teammates,

Speaker 27 I couldn't imagine, to be honest with you, have John celebrated? Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 27 But I couldn't imagine an offensive lineman, I mean, excuse me, a defensive lineman doing something like that to seven.

Speaker 27 I don't remember being on a team where...

Speaker 27 A defensive player would do that to the quarterback, understanding how important the quarterback is to the team's success, especially the starting quarterback, maybe the second or third team, something like that.

Speaker 27 But the starting quarterback, nah,

Speaker 27 I can honestly say in my 14 years, I've never been in a situation where I've seen something quite like what's being reported coming out of Tennessee, where the quarterback throws a touchdown pass late in the ball game.

Speaker 27 He shoves Jeffrey Simmons. I don't know why he shoved Jeffrey Simmons, but if you shove one guy, you should probably expect to shove back.

Speaker 27 I'm just surprised that he shoved Simmons to begin with.

Speaker 27 Maybe I shouldn't be as surprised that Simmons shoved him back because at that point in time, I'm not looking at you as a quarterback. I'm looking at somebody that shoved me,

Speaker 27 and I'm going to shove you back.

Speaker 27 Glad he didn't know nobody got injured.

Speaker 27 The offensive linemen did what they were supposed to do, run to Cam Wars defense. That's what's supposed to happen.
Somebody attacks your quarterback. You come hella high water.
You defend that guy.

Speaker 27 Right, wrong, or indifferent. You defend your quarterback.
We'll address it and we'll figure it out later. Hey, man, don't do that.
Hey, you're too valuable.

Speaker 27 Don't get into no, you know, no shoving matches. Don't say anything to those guys.
Let them do all that talking. We don't have to worry about that.
But

Speaker 27 I haven't, I can honestly say

Speaker 27 I've never seen a situation

Speaker 27 in my years of being around football when I was at Denver, when I was in Baltimore, and when I went back to Denver, I don't remember that happening in high school.

Speaker 27 I don't remember it happening in college. Not to say that it haven't happened.
I haven't been around and saw, I haven't seen every situation that arises on a practice field or in a locker room.

Speaker 27 But I like to speak to the things that I've seen, and i can speak uh uh clearly and intelligent on it um but

Speaker 27 this must have been something that was brewing for a significant time um

Speaker 27 and uh emotions ran high and uh

Speaker 27 i guess cam ward shoves jeffrey simmons and jeffrey simmons like i don't know who you think you are i understand you're the starting quarterback you're the first overall pick but now i'm going to throw that out the window and shove you in the face so hopefully uh nobody got injured glad no punches uh hopefully no punches were thrown.

Speaker 27 Nobody damaged a hand or a wrist or a fist or anything, a finger, anything like that. And they're going to be good to go for the final preseason game, Friday, Saturday, or whenever these guys play.

Speaker 27 And then hopefully everybody goes into the season healthy and with no lingering injuries. But

Speaker 27 I guess we're living in

Speaker 27 a different time now.

Speaker 27 Jimmy Johnson recalls not letting the Cowboys eat on a plane after a loss in his Netflix show.

Speaker 27 The former Dallas Cowboy head coach revealed during a clip in Netflix, America's team, the gambler and his cowboys, that he once prevented the team from

Speaker 27 eating a meal on a flight home following a loss. After that loss, we got on the plane.
I'm just fuming because of the way we played. So the flight attendants started to serve and I say, no, no meal.

Speaker 27 They don't deserve to eat. I want them to be naughty.
I want them to be nauseated, to be sick to their stomach when they lose, because that's how I felt.

Speaker 27 Is this what's been missing from the Cowboys today a leader that wants to win so badly that he'll take your food away

Speaker 27 that's not uncommon Dan Reeves

Speaker 27 that happened to us

Speaker 27 we lost a ball game and he took lunch away like I ain't paying for y'all to eat y'all hungry y'all go get your own damn food

Speaker 27 so

Speaker 27 It's never happened on a plane.

Speaker 27 And man, you got to realize, like, when you go to get on that plane, because you haven't probably eaten since pre-game and according to when the game was so you know you play the early you play the early game you playing at one o'clock east coast time and you get on the plane to fly back home you haven't eaten probably since 10 o'clock 10 30 at the absolute latest for

Speaker 27 for a one o'clock game and then by the time you get on by the time you get because they give you an hour after the game you got an hour to basically get from the field to the locker room get showered do your interviews get get to the bus, bus, get to the airport, go on the tarmac, you get off.

Speaker 27 Normally, that takes about an hour, about 60, 70 minutes. So, think about how long that's been.
Now, you're on a plane. Now, I don't know where they were coming back from to get to Dallas.

Speaker 27 Let's just say it's New York and you haven't eaten till 10. Since 10, that's a long time.
And now you understand why the Cowboys were how they were. Jimmy trimmed the fat.
There was no excess fat

Speaker 27 with the Dallas Cowboys when Jimmy played. And you see, now, if a coach probably tried to do that now, Jerry said, nah, I'll let him eat.
And then guess what? Team's going to eat. But

Speaker 27 that'd be, woo, that's old school coaching. I don't know.
I don't even know if that'll fly now. Chad, y'all think that would have fly now? I don't think that would fly now.

Speaker 27 Man, I think the players would lose their damn minds if a coach said, nah, we're not finna eat. Nobody's gonna eat on the plane home.

Speaker 27 That's old school coaching. That's the way they did it in the probably 70s, 70s, 80s, and 90s.
Like I said, not on the plane, but lunch, it happened. And

Speaker 27 you made sure if you lost the game, you gave better effort.

Speaker 27 Because I think the thing is, with Jimmy said, I wasn't happy with the, yeah, we lost, and I'm ticked off that we lost the game, but I didn't like the effort that we gave in losing the game.

Speaker 27 Because, you know, you're not going to win every game, but sometimes the effort, you saw yesterday, the Bills lost, what, 38-0? And you see, McDermott had a problem. He was upset with them.
So

Speaker 27 it's tough. It's tough.
There's an expectation that when you play, especially when you got the Cowboys, you're talking about Emmett, you're talking about Troy, you're talking about

Speaker 27 Michael Irvin and Charles Haley. I mean, they were all those Hall of Famers.
There's an expectation that

Speaker 27 when you take that field, you win this game. And even if you don't win, how you play is as important.

Speaker 27 And Jimmy, clearly, clearly, but this is Jimmy Johnson. Like I said, there is no excess fat when Jimmy Johnson is your head coach, be it

Speaker 27 Oklahoma State, be it Miami, be it

Speaker 27 Dallas, Miami.

Speaker 27 Hey, you got to get it. You got to get it.
Jimmy Johnson is going to get it at you. Whatever you got in, Jimmy's going to get it at you.

Speaker 27 So

Speaker 27 I'm not surprised that he said this. I'm not surprised because, you know, talking to some of the guys,

Speaker 27 they like, hey,

Speaker 27 Jimmy cracked the whip. Jimmy was not a guy.
Jimmy did not BS.

Speaker 27 Jimmy was hardcore. You know what to expect.

Speaker 27 Look, as long as I know what to expect, I'm cool. You go to,

Speaker 27 it's probably a little different if you never had a coach like that. I mean, that's all Emmett knew.
That's what a lot of these guys knew.

Speaker 27 So it probably wasn't a big thing. It would probably be different.

Speaker 27 if you've been somewhere else and it's not not even close to that for six seven years and then you come to that like i said it's always always easier to be tough and lighten up as opposed to lighten and then try to toughen up because guys look at you a certain way.

Speaker 27 Having Dan Reeves as my coach, an old school guy that learned, cut his teeth under Tom Landry, practices were hard. Training camp was hard.

Speaker 27 So I know anyone that I got after Coach Reeves was going to be a piece of cake. Ain't no way.

Speaker 27 training camp and practices and could be any more difficult than what I had already had gone through for three years. But I'm not surprised by that.

Speaker 27 I'm going to make sure I watch this because I want to see, you know, you've heard a little bit of the stories, but to hear Emmett and hear, you know, obviously talking to Emmett and we came out together in 1990 and the playmaker and I good friends, but to hear Jimmy from his own mouth, to hear Troy and hear some of the other guys talk about it, Coach Prime is in it, to hear some of these guys talk about it.

Speaker 27 That's going to be, I think it's going to be very, very good.

Speaker 27 And it explains to you why the Cowboys had the success that they had in the early 90s, especially under Jimmy. They had a had a down year in 94.
We didn't have a a down year.

Speaker 27 They went to the NFC championship game. And then they bounced back in 95 when they get Coach Gip time to come over from San Francisco.

Speaker 27 They went to Super Bowl in 95 and it's kind of been, hadn't been back to a championship game since they went to the Super Bowl and won it 95 season, 96.

Speaker 27 So we're approaching 30 years in which the Cowboys have not went, gone,

Speaker 27 whatever terminology you want to use to an NFC championship game. That's a long time.

Speaker 27 When you talk about America's America's team and when you talk about some of the better players that they've assembled on that team, you look at the all-pros, you look at the Pro Bowl players that they consistently have year in and year out, there's no excuse for why the Cowboys haven't gone to an NFC championship game, at least multiple, considering some of the teams that have gone

Speaker 27 into an NFC championship game. So I think a lot of you guys are Cowboy fans or Cowboys haters want to see why the Cowboys were so successful in the early 90s.

Speaker 27 And I think watching this will give you a glimpse into why, how he practiced, how they met. Hopefully they tell the story about the guy

Speaker 27 that Jimmy,

Speaker 27 I know, I'm sure they are going to tell the story about Jimmy cut a guy that fell asleep in a meeting. And

Speaker 27 well, he cut one guy because he fumbled a football last game of the season. So they cut him.
And then they cut another guy they cut because he fell asleep in a meeting.

Speaker 27 And a reporter asked him, asked him if that was Troy that had fallen asleep in the meeting. Would he cut him? He said, no, no, I'd have woke him up.

Speaker 27 It just goes to show you treat everybody fair, but you don't treat everybody the same.

Speaker 27 That's Jimmy.

Speaker 27 Coach Prime says his punishment for any player that hits the quarterback. For the players who violate the rule, consequences range from up-down, stadium runs, etc.

Speaker 27 This is definitely an old school way of disciplining players. But do you think this style of punishment can work in the NIL era where guys may transfer from one up-down?

Speaker 27 Yeah,

Speaker 27 I don't know if this style of punishment worked because I think some guys are already looking. You can't really coach a kid.
Now you coach a kid hard, he'll jump in the transfer portal.

Speaker 27 Somebody offered him $50 more than what you're paying him, and you ticked him off, or he didn't get as many reps as he thought. He didn't get as many targets as he thought.

Speaker 27 He didn't play as many plays as he thought. They jump in the portal now.

Speaker 27 This is real business. This is like a real job.
Like, I'm on a job and

Speaker 27 I don't like my boss. I quit and go find me another job.
Leave you high and dry.

Speaker 27 And that's just the era that we're living in now. You know, what Coach Prime is, he's trying to get his point across.
The last thing that you want to do is hurt, is have your players hurt one another.

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Speaker 34 you got us ojo yeah boy i'm sick than the motherfucker

Speaker 34 can you hear me yeah i got you yeah

Speaker 28 yeah

Speaker 28 how about how about how about them boys tonight

Speaker 34 boy y'all defense steal some trash wait a minute wait a minute now let's let's let's let's not do that let's not do that now we look we look very bad on the first two drive that the commanders had the ball they took their starters out

Speaker 34 but we look better, we look better from that point on. Let's be optimistic, let's be optimistic about the situation.

Speaker 27 Oh, Joe, did you see how, did you see how they ran down the field on y'all? Yeah, yeah, I like that.

Speaker 34 I can tell you who blew the assignment. I can tell you who blew the assignment.

Speaker 27 Did he scrape over the top? He knows

Speaker 34 underneath, you know you can't get there underneath, and all the older.

Speaker 27 He tried to pull a Ray Lewis on him.

Speaker 34 What are we doing? What are we doing? And they did it twice.

Speaker 34 Did it twice. And the guy bounced right outside and he gone.

Speaker 27 We had a conversation last night. I said, Ocho, I want to see their backs and it'll give us a better understanding why Brian Robinson Jr.
is on the trade block.

Speaker 27 Well, we see why he's on the trade block. We saw those two backs from Washington.

Speaker 27 Now it makes sense. I don't know how much you could speak for yourself, but it makes a ton of sense to me.

Speaker 34 It does make sense.

Speaker 34 Brian Robinson, we've seen what he can do. And I just saw some reports, obviously, doing my little homework, talking about he runs a little bit timid, not hitting the hole, and just stuff like that.

Speaker 34 I'm not sure if the injury history is probably a cause of that, but obviously they like the young bulls, especially Bill. He doesn't want to be called Jacob.
His name is Bill. Bill?

Speaker 28 Bill.

Speaker 27 Hold on.

Speaker 27 Yes, Rodriguez.

Speaker 34 No, no, the other one. The other one.

Speaker 27 Oh, oh,

Speaker 27 Cosky.

Speaker 27 Because what's his full name? The one that Jaylen, that Jayden Daniels got the ball back for?

Speaker 34 Yeah, yes, sir. Yes, sir.

Speaker 34 C say he wants to be called Bill. I'm going to call him Bill.

Speaker 27 Okay.

Speaker 27 I mean, 30 rush attempts, Ocho, for 185 yards and two touchdowns.

Speaker 27 I mean, you look at it, the two top guys, 17 rushes between the two of them for 108 yards.

Speaker 27 And y'all got, look,

Speaker 27 Lovu,

Speaker 27 everybody in the stadium, everybody at home knew the Bengals were not going to snap that ball at the 38-yard line on fourth and three except you.

Speaker 28 Yeah.

Speaker 27 And you jumped off sides.

Speaker 27 Everybody, nobody. When they start doing all that motion, when they bring the guy outside, they bring him to the backfield.
Then they sprint him out there. They're not running no play, bro.

Speaker 27 They're trying to get you to jump off sides. And you did it.

Speaker 28 Yeah.

Speaker 27 I get. Ocho, we get New England,

Speaker 27 the Eagles last year. Remember on the goal line, and he jumped off sides like five times, four or five times in a row?

Speaker 27 And and the officials say that you know if you keep doing this we're just going to award them the score i get okay fine they're going to score the touch push they're going to score anyway but in a situation like this these kind of plays to get you beat

Speaker 34 yeah because guess what guess what happened oh joe didn't it go right down the field and score a touchdown yes we did yes we did i want to talk about how good our offense look except that second series that second that second series with joe bro and the and the in the number twos yeah yeah i don't know why he did that joe joe know better he pulled back all the running and scrambling and that thing.

Speaker 27 Yeah, throw that thing away, Joe, because you don't want to take any unnecessary hits.

Speaker 27 And then he got bailed out again because O'Brown got beat. And why is it just happening to horse colleague?

Speaker 27 They're going to have to do a better job of protecting Joe. But, oh, Joe, your offense has to look good because that's where all your money is.
So wherever your money is,

Speaker 27 that's the side of the football you're really going to have to win on.

Speaker 34 Yeah, most definitely. Most definitely.

Speaker 27 Look at the Broncos when we played in the 90s, TD, myself, John, Zim, Rod.

Speaker 28 Yeah.

Speaker 27 So that's where the money was. So that's where we had to be.
That's where we that's where we had to be.

Speaker 28 Yeah.

Speaker 27 So,

Speaker 27 yeah, I thought your offense, you know, Joe was, I mean, Joe was what? 9 of 14, 62 yards.

Speaker 27 Jake Browning came in, but Jake Browning, you know, he plays well when asked and given the opportunity, Ocho, he plays well. 16 of 25, 159, two touchdowns.

Speaker 27 Desmond Ritter came in there, threw one pass. He was 101 for seven yards.

Speaker 27 And they were going down the field again, and then Josh Johnson threw a horrible interception.

Speaker 28 Yeah.

Speaker 34 Oh, Josh. Boy, that's Madow there, man.

Speaker 34 Good to see Josh. Good to see Josh still out there, man.
Working and working and working.

Speaker 27 I like it. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 27 I mean,

Speaker 27 he don't collect. He collects his own jerseys.
And he ain't got no other player. He ain't got no other player jersey.
You know, you trade jerseys, yo. Hey, I just collect my own.
He got by 14.

Speaker 34 I think he's uh, he's been on 16 of the 32 teams, 16 of the 32.

Speaker 27 Damn,

Speaker 28 yeah, oh, yeah,

Speaker 27 I like it. So, hey, so if he ever wants to coach, he knows somebody, somebody somewhere.

Speaker 34 Hey, absolutely, absolutely. And listen, when you, when you played, when you played that long at that position, they will definitely give you a job.

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Speaker 27 Man, I'm doing good. How you doing?

Speaker 28 Man, I gotta say, like, y'all really shoot the show this late?

Speaker 27 Yeah, you really every time you really shoot, yeah, yeah, man.

Speaker 28 Let me ask, y'all, y'all in LA, huh?

Speaker 34 Nah,

Speaker 34 I'm in Miami. I'm in Miami.

Speaker 27 Oh, Joe, in Miami.

Speaker 28 Okay, you see, Miami, you know, that's that's that nightlife right there. No, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 34 Hey, Joe, Joe, I don't, I don't do the night life. I don't do the night life, so I take a nap during the day so I'm able to get up, you know, to be able to do the show.

Speaker 28 You see, you see, you understand the program. I don't understand the program.
So

Speaker 28 I'm over here fighting sleep. I'm like, yo.

Speaker 27 Well,

Speaker 27 but you in that green room, I mean, like you developing pictures or something. Like you work with Kodak.
Damn.

Speaker 28 My studio room right here. It's like, you know, part of my ceilings, right? Like I had a little leak.

Speaker 27 Nah, you all good.

Speaker 28 But check it out. I never fixed it because I was like, you know what? I like that.
It kind of reminds me of like the old days. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah.
Keep you hungry. So I keep it raw.

Speaker 28 I keep it raw.

Speaker 27 Tell us a little bit about the album.

Speaker 28 So yeah, Lonely at the Top is out August 29th.

Speaker 28 You know, this project is...

Speaker 28 It was made in a short amount of time. I want to say this is probably like the fastest I've made a body of work.
You know, I mean, a lot of things transpired for me this year musically.

Speaker 28 And it was really just kind of pushing my pen you know what i mean in a way where it's just like you know i'm just kind of eager to get the music out um you know lonely at the top means to me is like you know kind of looking at looking around and you being at the top of your success and you're realizing like you know how

Speaker 28 how much isolation you find there on the other side you know what i'm saying like i'm sure you guys can relate but like being on that life journey and um you know you're dealing with things like survivor's guild and you know you wanting everybody to come come and things like that.

Speaker 28 But what you find on that other side, you know,

Speaker 28 for you to make it is like, you know, sometimes

Speaker 28 it's an isolating feeling, you know what I'm saying? Because you got to block so many things out to maintain that balance, you know what I mean?

Speaker 28 So that's kind of like what this collection of music feels like for me. It's kind of like a reflection of where I am today, right now.
Yeah.

Speaker 27 You get that a lot, you know,

Speaker 27 coming from the background, and I'm sure we kind of all come from very similar backgrounds, but no matter how big a bus is, no matter how big a plane is, there are X amount of seats.

Speaker 27 And everybody ain't meant to fly on that flight.

Speaker 27 Somebody meant to catch the next one. Everybody ain't meant to get on that bus.
They meant to catch the next one. And so what we have to do, what's hard sometimes,

Speaker 27 is figuring out. who's supposed to be a passenger on our bus.
Who's supposed to be a passenger on our plane? You know,

Speaker 27 that that's

Speaker 27 like you do feel bad because you like you said you've been around a lot of these people your damn entire life

Speaker 28 absolute absolute and you know i got i got the analogy that i use is like the the aladdin's purple carpet you know i'm saying like if you got a hundred motherfuckers on there with you like you ain't going nowhere that's yeah it ain't gonna take off it's your barely levitating off the ground you know what i'm saying like i'm trying to go to the mountaintop so it's like you know i got to keep it light you know what i mean so i could right i could ascend and everything Yeah.

Speaker 34 Hey, Joe, but how do you, how do you balance that? How do you balance that? Obviously, coming from where you come from, most of us have the same background and those that we grew up with.

Speaker 34 Once we start to ascend in our respective craft and whatever it is that we do, a lot of people trying to go along with us, they complain, oh, you hating. You ain't real no more.

Speaker 34 You're not taking me on this journey that you

Speaker 34 has been working to do.

Speaker 34 So how have you been able to navigate with those when you have a, when you have an album coming out, it's lonely at the top, but those that feel that they deserve to go along along with you.

Speaker 28 Well, you know, if I'm being completely honest and completely transparent, I think that I am still on the journey of learning how to balance that. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 28 I think it is a matter of continuing to find that balance. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, different things do it.
I think the strongest thing is putting God first.

Speaker 28 You know, like that is my grounding factor right there. It's like, you know, remembering God as often as I can on the daily.

Speaker 28 and um you know remembering that this journey is is it's a it's a predestined path if you will you know what i mean and it's just like i am doing what i can at each given point in this journey applying the wisdom that i can to to make the best moves you know what i'm saying you know sometimes you you might look like yo could i have done that better but you know what that's part of the growth as well you know what i'm saying that's that's part of like reflection and all that it's part of it.

Speaker 28 For sure.

Speaker 28 Yeah.

Speaker 27 You're one of those old, like, now I don't know how many true lyricists that we have. When I,

Speaker 27 you know, and I hate to hate saying this. It's not enough.

Speaker 28 It's not enough.

Speaker 27 That's my point. Because it used to be, you know, you had the KRS ones, you had the, you had Kane, you had Rock him, you had LL, you had Slick Rick, you had the Scarfaces, you had the guys that

Speaker 27 was literally on point

Speaker 27 and now you know it's it's it's different but you want to take it back because you know a lot of the the the og uh uh uh lyricists originated brooklyn the boogie down bronx krf one all those guys so mecca yep the mecca

Speaker 27 yeah absolutely do you feel that's what's missing from hip-hop um

Speaker 28 i would say that

Speaker 28 First of all, I would say that I don't like to look at it as I'm taking it back. I like to look at it as like I'm taking it forward.

Speaker 27 You advancing it.

Speaker 28 I'm living in this time. You know what I'm saying? And there's a Nina Simone quote that has always resonated with me.
She said, music is going to reflect the times.

Speaker 28 I'm paraphrasing it, but something along the lines of that.

Speaker 28 And, you know, I always kind of stay cognizant of that because I think that we are in an interesting time, which is why the musical landscape looks the way that it does.

Speaker 28 because as a society we are prioritizing certain things and that's coming out in our subcultures if you will like especially the music but um if anything i look at it as a a purposeful position to be where i'm at and to uh represent what i represent because like you know in a world full of just like

Speaker 28 godless behavior and just vanity and stuff like that, you know, I try to keep my balance by

Speaker 28 spreading a message when I can and being purposeful when I can and upholding a certain level of skill, effort into my craft.

Speaker 34 Hey, when you talk about that skill and effort and being able to maintain that balance when it comes to

Speaker 34 being a lyricist, the sound of music in general, from the 80s to the 90s to the 2000s, obviously to date 202010s to now, the sound changes every 10 years.

Speaker 34 Has it difficult for you to adjust to what the sound is at the time or do you just stick to your guns and say, listen, I don't care what it sounds like right now, I'm going to stick to what I've always done and what has worked for me?

Speaker 28 In all transparency, I've definitely found myself at certain points in my journey, you know, trying to

Speaker 28 adapt, if you will. But like, you know, where I'm at now, I think I'm at a space where it's like, I don't, I no longer necessarily care to adapt.

Speaker 28 I think what's important to me is being as authentic and true to myself as possible because I feel like in 2025, it's like, that's the best thing that you can do.

Speaker 28 Like, you know, with the internet, like, I think it was a little bit different back in the day because it was all about like, you know, where you was from and things like that.

Speaker 28 But I think the internet kind of allows for people to be a little bit more expressive and not be so bound by like

Speaker 28 where they are or where the culture is. You know what I mean? It's like we have,

Speaker 28 you know, people with classic sounds re-emerge. Like you said, it's like the game changes every 10 years, but it also comes back every 20.
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 28 History repeats itself in an interesting way. So I think, you know, right now my focus is definitely just what is my authentic voice at this time? What is true to me at this time?

Speaker 28 What do I want to convey? How do I want to convey it? at this time. And I think that I use that as my guiding light, my North Star, and not like what the landscape of the game is per se.

Speaker 28 Like there's a small awareness of that, obviously, because you got to know the league that you're in. You know what I mean? You guys can relate to that.
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 28 You got to know the playing field or whatever. But for the most part, I play my game, you know?

Speaker 27 But that has to be hard because... If you do something over and over again, it's like, I wish you'd give us something new.

Speaker 28 And when you give them something new,

Speaker 27 I wish you'd go back to the old stuff. Because I see that a lot of times.
Guys like, man, I wish you would do something else. And when they do something else, now all of a sudden, man,

Speaker 27 I like the old stuff. So how does someone evolve if every time they give you something that you're not used to seeing?

Speaker 27 It seemed like to me that the only person that they allowed to evolve was Beyonce because she went from one genre to a whole new genre and got more people and got women wearing cowboy boots and cowboy hats and Daisy Duke still at the concert again.

Speaker 27 But when it comes to rap and other genres,

Speaker 27 they won't let that artist get out of that box.

Speaker 28 It's more pitch and hole. Yeah, yeah.
I definitely agree with that. I think,

Speaker 28 you know, you got to do your role in blocking out the noise. Okay.
Because, you know, what I've learned is that fans are fickle. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 28 Like, like what Jay said, it's like, they love you, then they hate you, then they love you again. You know what I'm saying? It's like they don't know what you want, what they want.

Speaker 28 So I feel like as an artist, you always got to be doing for you. You know what I'm saying? Whatever is true for you at the time.
And even if, because I'm definitely

Speaker 28 big on that idea of not making the same regurgitated thing and taking risks, I enjoy taking risks. You know what I'm saying? And being experimental.

Speaker 28 Like, I enjoy when I play a song for somebody and somebody's like, that's you? Like, that, that, that, that, that.

Speaker 27 Okay, yeah, you like

Speaker 27 that surprise.

Speaker 28 Yeah, because it's like, okay, like, I did something that you didn't think I could do.

Speaker 28 You know what i'm saying it's like i'm i'm breaking the mold that you may have over me in your mind you know what i'm saying you didn't know i could i could go there but at the same time it's still me if if you will you know what i mean but um

Speaker 28 yeah i like like i said just to answer your question is short though um

Speaker 28 we got to do for you you know it's funny too because i was just kind of having a mental thought and i'm like damn like who do I make music for? And I'm like, you know what?

Speaker 28 Like, I really can generally say that I make music for for me like i make the music that

Speaker 28 from my experience and that like i kind of want to listen to or i want to drive my car to or i want to feel fly to you know i mean and then it's like everybody else is kind of secondary and i know that might feel that might sound a little funny but that is that was the thought that i had when i made my first body of work like there was nobody There was no audience.

Speaker 28 There was no fans. It was just me and my four walls.
And I'm like, this is dope. Like, I think this is tight.
You know what I'm saying? So I stay, I try to stay as close to that place.

Speaker 34 Listen, as long as you've been in the game

Speaker 34 and all the work that you've done over the years,

Speaker 34 I understand the politics that comes into the music industry. It's a very, very fickle, very, very, very

Speaker 34 dangerous industry from a political standpoint. If there's one artist that you would love to work with that you haven't worked with, who would it be?

Speaker 28 i would love to work with pharrell um

Speaker 28 things and rooms because uh my phone is about to die telling y'all i was uh

Speaker 28 i was flying sleep for real i haven't

Speaker 28 but um yeah pharrell is definitely somebody who i've always wanted to work with and we've crossed paths many times we just haven't been able to damn uh joy did you pay your did you pay your light bill

Speaker 28 oh did i pay

Speaker 28 you

Speaker 28 god damn if i ain't no but i swear you you like

Speaker 28 that thing.

Speaker 27 Got a kill or something.

Speaker 28 Yo, yo,

Speaker 28 I don't think you heard. I don't think you understand.
Like, it's bedtime over here. You know what I'm saying? Like, lights is out over here.

Speaker 27 Yo,

Speaker 27 where you at? Where you live at?

Speaker 28 I'm on the East Coast. Okay, okay, okay.

Speaker 28 So I'm up in New York.

Speaker 27 Well,

Speaker 27 you are at the...

Speaker 27 the birthplace, the mecca of hip-hop. Give me some of your early influences.
Who was influential to that joy? Like, you know what?

Speaker 27 I want to do that.

Speaker 28 Oh, Jay, Nas,

Speaker 28 Biggie,

Speaker 28 MF Doom,

Speaker 28 Pac,

Speaker 28 Black Moon,

Speaker 28 Dang,

Speaker 28 J. Ruda Damager.
I was a big J Ruda Damager fan.

Speaker 28 Who else? Shit, even R ⁇ B, man. Shit, Lil's shit.
Even more new generation, Lil Bow wow.

Speaker 28 I was a kid in that era. So, like, seeing Lil Bow Wow do his thing did a lot for me because I was like, oh, shit, I could do that.
You know what I mean? Yeah.

Speaker 28 People sleep on my boy, Shad. Shad deserves way.

Speaker 27 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 27 Bow was like that.

Speaker 34 Yeah, he had a, he had a beautiful, he had a nice run, boy. He had a real nice run.
Hey, hey, Joe, you listen to battle. You listen to battle rap?

Speaker 28 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 28 Okay. Okay.
Yeah. Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 28 I love battle rap. You know what I mean? My man Loaded Lux.
Lux.

Speaker 28 I just had a back and forth with the homie Daylight earlier this year.

Speaker 28 You know,

Speaker 28 Scotty is probably on my top five battle rappers as well, along with the other two names I mentioned. Yeah, no, I love the battle rap culture, man.
Yeah, I love that. I love that rap.

Speaker 27 So what's going on with you in the West Coast?

Speaker 28 What's going on?

Speaker 27 Yeah.

Speaker 28 Oh, we cool.

Speaker 28 We cool.

Speaker 28 We had a little,

Speaker 28 you know, lyrical squabble. Right.

Speaker 28 But, you know, it wasn't about nothing. It was just, you know, everybody wanting to show that they the best.

Speaker 27 Right.

Speaker 28 You know, so, yeah, we got, we got down a little bit. It was fun, but

Speaker 27 it was.

Speaker 27 I just didn't know

Speaker 27 you guys were still on that type of time.

Speaker 28 Yeah, yeah. Like, I mean, listen, it was all in good faith, and I'm grateful for that.

Speaker 28 You know, I mean, I made a statement at the beginning of the year, and one of my records and some rappers on the West Coast took offense to it.

Speaker 28 I didn't mean offense to it, but at the same time, I respected their perspective.

Speaker 28 And, you know,

Speaker 28 we pretty much just traded some bars.

Speaker 34 Like,

Speaker 34 made a better, may the better pin win.

Speaker 28 May the better pin win. Indeed.

Speaker 28 Indeed. Indeed.

Speaker 27 Do you kick it with? I mean, do you kick it with anybody or you a soloist?

Speaker 28 I am by nature

Speaker 28 now

Speaker 28 in this phase of my life. I do, I am solo a lot, but yeah, yeah.
Like when you say anybody, you mean like rapper friends type of thing?

Speaker 27 Yeah, yeah, you got, you know, the homies that you kick it with. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 28 You know, J.I.D. is a great friend of mine.

Speaker 28 Corday is a great friend of mine. Ace at Ferg, Denzel Curry, like those are, those are my guys for real.

Speaker 28 And then it's like, you know, I got a bunch of people just scattered throughout the industry that like, you know, are really solid individuals and I've been rocking with for a long time for sure.

Speaker 28 But, you know, you know how it is. Like, you know, as a man, you get to a certain age.

Speaker 28 It's just, it's just not what it was in the early 20s and in your teenage years when it's like you hang with people every day and stuff like that. It's like, yeah.
We all got our own.

Speaker 27 The older I get, you know, the older you, see, once you get to a certain age, you get to pick your friends.

Speaker 27 It ain't like when you're in, you you know, you're in elementary school, junior, high, and high school, and everybody just surrounded, oh, that's my friend, that's my friend. Right, right.

Speaker 27 As you get older, you get to pick your friend.

Speaker 28 Hey, absolutely.

Speaker 27 And you notice you pick less and less of them.

Speaker 28 Yeah, no, that's true. That's true, man.

Speaker 27 You got less time to vet them.

Speaker 28 No, that's a fact. I've always heard this saying, pick your friends like you pick your fruit.
Because

Speaker 28 I'll be in the fruit aisle in the grocery store for a minute, like looking through.

Speaker 28 Yeah,

Speaker 27 see, that's why you got to wash your fruit when you get home. You hear what he's saying he done had it in his hand he done thumped it he done tossed it up like it's a tennis ball

Speaker 28 yeah you got to watch that apple

Speaker 27 hey look so check this out you made your television uh television acting uh debut on a us network you trying to do any more acting

Speaker 28 oh not trying brother i am doing oh you doing

Speaker 28 absolutely doing yeah i got um i got some projects in the works right now that i can guess what's up necessarily reveal at the moment, but I'm excited to share them when I can.

Speaker 28 Reveal like this really big project I'm really excited about that shoots in Paris next year.

Speaker 28 Probably going to be like, you know, one of my,

Speaker 28 I feel like this could be like, you know, my real magnum opus in the film TV world, you know,

Speaker 28 inshallah. But,

Speaker 28 yeah, you know, Raising Kanan, we still got one more season to go for that. That's been a pleasure.
And then I had the Netflix short a few years ago, Two Distant Strangers, that won the Oscar.

Speaker 28 And yeah, a couple projects in development as well. So acting is definitely something that, you know, I take serious.

Speaker 28 Yeah.

Speaker 27 Do us, we want you to do us a favor. You know, Ocho is a lyricist.

Speaker 27 He goes to, you know, do open.

Speaker 27 I know you remember the movie Love Jones. Yeah.
Trey.

Speaker 27 Trey Torre Lorenzo.

Speaker 28 Lorenz Tay.

Speaker 27 Lorenz Tay, excuse me.

Speaker 27 And Neil Long.

Speaker 27 So Ocho's been, you know, going to these, you know, this open, you know, these spoken words.

Speaker 27 So, Joey,

Speaker 27 grade it. We're going to let you grade it because, you know, you're the professor and the lyricist and great penmanship.
So grade Ocho's spoken word.

Speaker 28 Let's go, Ocho. Let's do it.

Speaker 34 Hey, listen, Joey, my pen is like that.

Speaker 28 Hold on. Stay less.

Speaker 34 Let me get in character.

Speaker 34 I'm under the weather right now. Let me get in character.
All right, Beth.

Speaker 28 Do you think? Do you think, Big Dog?

Speaker 34 Long summer nights,

Speaker 34 they all come to play.

Speaker 34 They walking across the streets

Speaker 34 acting like a stray.

Speaker 34 She has an umbrella, but it's not even raining.

Speaker 34 That's it.

Speaker 28 Thank you.

Speaker 28 Thank you.

Speaker 28 I'm going to give you one of those, man.

Speaker 34 I appreciate that. Appreciate that.
Appreciate that. Appreciate it.

Speaker 28 You got to keep it classy, man.

Speaker 34 The funny thing about it, the funny thing about it is people will hear what I just said and not be able to visualize what I'm talking about. There's a message behind that.
But unless you

Speaker 34 in that mode and that spirit and have that vision, you'll never understand what I say. So you go back and listen to it again with your eyes closed.

Speaker 34 Then the people in the chat, you'll understand where I'm going with it.

Speaker 28 Then it comes to life.

Speaker 34 bingo yeah yeah everybody can't they don't they don't have my vision everybody can't go everybody can't get on that plane big dog we just talked we just talked about that

Speaker 27 he has a tour dark aura starts off 25 city headlining kicks off October 16th in Boston

Speaker 27 new album drops August 29th lonely at the top Joey badass stop by stop back by and talk to us sometime and let me ask you this

Speaker 27 who you who you got this year who your team and why

Speaker 28 who's my team

Speaker 28 um

Speaker 28 on basketball

Speaker 28 football oh like you guys probably hate me when i say this but i don't really watch football bro okay yeah yeah i'm i don't know i'm the wrong person to talk to i don't know what's going on in football who your basketball team then who you basket who you who team oh man like i'm always rooting for the brawn man i'm always rooting for the bra big lebron fan man there you go.

Speaker 27 That's what we talk about.

Speaker 27 We're going to get you out of here on that one. Joy, man, best of luck.
Continue success, man. Stop back by and see us sometime, bro.

Speaker 27 Sorry it was so late, but this was

Speaker 28 the first time I'm going to make sure I get my power nap in like Ocho sale. Make sure.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 27 We appreciate that, bro. Thanks for joining us.

Speaker 28 Much love.

Speaker 27 Joy, badass chat.

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