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Oh, Joe.

Speaker 7 All I know this morning, you've been telling people, hey, man, I was this, I averaged this many points in basketball. I did yada, yada, yada.

Speaker 7 I probably could come off the bench right now for NBA team.

Speaker 22 Hey, listen.

Speaker 22 Listen, let me tell you something, right? Check me out. Listen to me, chat.
Listen to me real quick. I didn't have a chance to practice with my teammates, right?

Speaker 22 So when the game started, we had Pepe, you know, Pepe from Love Island. We had Hezzy God, obviously Walker Flocker.
We had two other players. So

Speaker 22 when we started the game,

Speaker 22 Clad Drexer told me, I say, feel the game out. and see what it is your teammates need from you.
So we started the game out. Goddamn Hezzy Hezy God, who he called for the ISO.
And so he going.

Speaker 22 I say, okay, you know what? I see the tempo. I see the kind of game it's going to be.
They don't need me to be a scorer, right? So boom.

Speaker 22 Gilly, them score, and then we got the ball back. Boom, Pepe got the ball.
Boy, Pepe played basketball overseas. I'm like, wait a minute.
Boy, buddy can ball.

Speaker 22 So boom, we got two scores on the court and it's only three people, right?

Speaker 22 So I'm like, boom, I'm going to just play defense.

Speaker 22 I'm going to get the rebounds right and I'm going to facilitate.

Speaker 22 I was like LeBron, you hear me? I was like LeBron in the beginning of a game. I'm letting my teammates get in the rhythm.
And if they need me, then I'll come through. But

Speaker 22 this is the good thing about it. They didn't need me to be a scorer.
They needed me to rebound. So I was in that thing like Rodman.
You hear me?

Speaker 22 I was in that thing like prime rodman.

Speaker 22 So check me out, right? I was facilitating.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I'm checking out.

Speaker 22 I was getting rebounds. And you know what the most important stat that we got was?

Speaker 22 The win.

Speaker 22 That's what we got. The win.

Speaker 7 I think they might have got that without you.

Speaker 7 Not really.

Speaker 22 Not really, because let me tell you something. Not really.

Speaker 22 My defensive presence is one.

Speaker 22 Listen, I went out the game. Man,

Speaker 7 no points on the show.

Speaker 22 Are you listening to me? Listen to me real quick. I went out the game, right? We was up 12.
I went out the game, but them boys came back and I took the lead. They took the lead.
So, boom.

Speaker 22 I said, Clyde, put me back here, man. Let me play defense real quick.
Man, I made him turn the ball over three times in a row. I looked up at the scoreboard.

Speaker 22 The game was back tied up again.

Speaker 22 I mean,

Speaker 22 I put them clamps down. It was a wrap.

Speaker 7 You couldn't get one point on your jump. I wasn't even trying to score.

Speaker 22 You know what? You know what I did?

Speaker 22 I took one jump shot and

Speaker 22 I thought dude was a little closer than he really was. And it made me clutch a little bit, and it made me clutch a little bit in there, but he was nowhere near me.
He threw me off for a little bit.

Speaker 22 Outside of that, I ain't take no shots. Outside of that, that was it.
I just wanted to get out there.

Speaker 7 Hey, I see a lot of, I see a triple single.

Speaker 22 Hey, hey, what you see is a W.

Speaker 22 Because you'd be the main one talking about stats don't matter as long as you get wins.

Speaker 7 Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You'd be the main one.

Speaker 7 No,

Speaker 7 it wouldn't. Had you not hyped yourself up about what you did at Beach High in Lock.

Speaker 22 in uh uh living but that was in night that was 1991 what's 2025

Speaker 22 i tell you what a chat you can tell a person that had that played basketball at any point in time in their life you can tell me also you see see what you want me to do you want to this is the same situation we talked about during basketball season right we talked about steph curry We talked about Kaminga.

Speaker 22 Yes. And Kaminga wanted to be going there and be a scorer and do his thing, but he's not allowed to do that because Steph Curry is the one that gets the ball and takes the shots.

Speaker 22 I understood the assignment today, and you telling me to go against the grain and do what my team doesn't need me to do.

Speaker 7 No, I'm saying the chat will agree with me. They will be able to tell.
They will be able to tell if

Speaker 7 we got out there with Anthony Edwards and you say, let's play flag football.

Speaker 7 Within two or three seconds, you'll know Anthony Edwards played football at some point in time. Hold on.

Speaker 22 So

Speaker 22 you're basing someone knowing how to play basketball, whether they score a point or not?

Speaker 7 I'm basing it on, I can tell whether or not you played basketball competitively at any point in time in your life. I did.

Speaker 22 I mean, what you trying to say? You're not making no sense.

Speaker 7 I'm saying you weren't very good there, and you probably wasn't very good back then. That's what I'm saying.
Ain't no trying to say. I said it.

Speaker 22 Hey, I know one thing. My team got the win.
We got the win.

Speaker 7 Hey, hold on.

Speaker 7 Heavy God and the other. Hold on, Ocho.
Y'all scored 51 points. Y'all had three players score all y'all points.
Heavy God had 28, the other guy had 17, and Walker Flocker had six.

Speaker 22 Okay.

Speaker 22 So basically, with.

Speaker 22 I'm trying to understand. I had all the rebounds.
I had all the assists. So what you're saying?

Speaker 7 You didn't have all of them. I did.

Speaker 7 I was like, I said, well, you know what? I said, I know Ocho gonna give me some, so we're gonna come back in here. You gonna tell me, like, oh, man, oh, I'm gonna get you.

Speaker 22 I gave you, I gave you, I just, I gave you something. I gave you a win.
I gave you seven assists and three rounds. Oh, me though.

Speaker 7 But you know what? You see what you tried to do now? Now, if they had asked you to do that in a football game, not catching no passes, but have some big blocks, you'd have lost your money.

Speaker 7 Why would I do that? Remember, chat, you hold up. Why would I do that? That's what I had to do in real life.

Speaker 7 Whoa, talk about, oh, chunk time.

Speaker 22 I see. You won't let me see.

Speaker 7 I remember when you wasn't getting the ball, do it. When you weren't getting the ball, you were losing your mind.
You told the chat you lost your mind talking about why we letting them dictate to us.

Speaker 7 Get beat up.

Speaker 22 That was a playoff game against a team that we needed to beat when our quarterback, our number one quarterback, went down with an ACL injury.

Speaker 22 Yes, maybe y'all need to run.

Speaker 7 Maybe y'all need to run the ball, but you weren't going to be willing to do that.

Speaker 22 You can't run the ball on the Steelers back then. You need to throw the ball.

Speaker 7 Yeah, we ran the ball on who?

Speaker 22 Who, y'all?

Speaker 22 Hey, I know one thing. While y'all trying to talk about my stat line, I locked everything up and we got the win.
I know that.

Speaker 7 Man, Gilly, Gilly, cook, Gilly, Gilly, cook me.

Speaker 22 Cook me where?

Speaker 7 Hold on, cook, hold on, cook, me, cook, me, where?

Speaker 22 Well, Gilly ain't scoring me, but you tripping.

Speaker 7 Look at Gilly.

Speaker 7 Gilly just earned one right there.

Speaker 7 And you fell down, pretend like the man hit you in the private and Gilly got the one.

Speaker 22 He got me good. He got me good.
He got me good with that one.

Speaker 22 That must have been a vet move or something they learned in Philly, boy. That must have been.

Speaker 7 I was like, I just know. I said, you know what? I said, I know my dog ain't going to let us down.
Because

Speaker 7 that's what I wanted to say. I should have said, Ocho,

Speaker 7 do not let Nightcap family down.

Speaker 7 And we win the game.

Speaker 22 What is y'all talking about?

Speaker 22 And y'all missing the plot. Y'all missing the plot.
We worry about

Speaker 7 it. No, the plot is.

Speaker 7 The plot is, hey, chat, you see how accepting he is of a win, so he's accepting of something now he would have never been okay with when he played.

Speaker 22 Wow, that's all the point. I'm confused.

Speaker 7 The confusion part is, you would not have been okay if y'all won the game and you had we had many

Speaker 22 see you do it. See, you're not doing

Speaker 7 it.

Speaker 22 You're not doing the Lord's work right now. You're not doing the Lord's work right now.

Speaker 7 No, no, no, no.

Speaker 22 You, you act like you act like Lucifer.

Speaker 7 You can't do that.

Speaker 22 Hey, listen, I had many games where I understood I'm not getting the ball because some games I went into and I knew, you know what, it's going to be a long day. So I better get ready to block.

Speaker 22 And I was accepting of that because I was allowing my other teammates to do their thing. And that's what I did today.

Speaker 7 I ain't counting the Reavers game.

Speaker 7 I played 11 years.

Speaker 22 I got stopped one time. One time.
Whoopty do, Reavers. He did everybody like that.
Let's talk about it.

Speaker 7 I don't know everybody. Everybody ain't my co-host.
I got one co-host tonight.

Speaker 22 Matter of fact, not only do you have one co-host, you had the greatest, the greatest, the greatest co-host of all time, the greatest entertainer of all time, the greatest trash talk of all time.

Speaker 22 And I went out there and I did my job on what my team,

Speaker 7 I just wanted one point.

Speaker 22 I just wanted one.

Speaker 22 You didn't need me to score a point. We got two

Speaker 22 ball-dominant handlers on the court. That's not what we needed me to do.
Okay. Okay.
That's it. And we got the W.
Hey, Gilly was a three-time MVP. That's what he was.

Speaker 7 Gilly wasn't on your team. Why are you worried about

Speaker 22 a three-time MVP? And he, all of a sudden, he gets locked up and he doesn't win. And he loses.

Speaker 7 How many points did Gilly have?

Speaker 7 Ocho Zero, Ocho Brico, Chad, Brick Johnson.

Speaker 7 I know one thing.

Speaker 22 We got that W.

Speaker 22 We got that W.

Speaker 7 I said, damn.

Speaker 7 hey agent zero hey hey hey uh uh gil

Speaker 7 can we can we borrow that for tonight

Speaker 22 oh agent zero oh joe hey agent zero whatever you want to call it they all went home with an l i don't care how many points they scored they can hold that l

Speaker 22 that l that l stand for losers

Speaker 7 i think with them long arms like a prayer manus you got it like leech uh

Speaker 22 Hey, them long arms were playing defense, grabbing them rebounds. Hey, I told y'all I was Dennis Robin in his prime.

Speaker 7 So, so who won the MVP? Heavy guards?

Speaker 22 He probably did. He probably did.
I ain't sticking for that. I went to go take a shower and go smoke.

Speaker 22 Hey, hey, hold on.

Speaker 7 For what you gave him, you could have been smoking on the side. Not really, because we would have lost.

Speaker 22 Because when I went to the game, didn't I tell you they came back and they took the lead?

Speaker 22 Hey, hey, let me tell you something. It's one thing we talked about basketball.

Speaker 22 Huh? And his shoulder is a good 13 years.

Speaker 7 How long? How Giller have more rebounds than you? He did.

Speaker 22 Oh, because

Speaker 22 he kept missing all their damn shots.

Speaker 22 Well, why you winning the game then?

Speaker 7 That should tell you something, Mocha. No, I had to come out.

Speaker 22 I had to let other people play. What are you talking about?

Speaker 7 You don't have to play.

Speaker 7 Let me ask you a question. Did Hesiod come out?

Speaker 22 No, no, no. He didn't come out the whole game.

Speaker 7 He got to let other people play.

Speaker 22 Hesiod was our Steph Curry. Hezzy God was our LeBron.
Henzy God was our Anthony.

Speaker 7 Steph Curry come out the ball game. Y'all didn't have Tibbodo as y'all coach.
He wasn't going to grind y'all.

Speaker 22 No, no, no. Clyde grinded us to the gear.

Speaker 7 We want to let them boys win.

Speaker 22 Hey, we wanted to let them boy win, boy. Hey, that's your fun.
I want, I got a question, though.

Speaker 22 You would know better than me.

Speaker 22 I'm new to the basketball,

Speaker 22 the basketball space in general. Watching, holy shit, watching the boys that's in the big three, right?

Speaker 22 He's explained to me why what I'm watching on the court tonight from the players that are playing in the semifinal, going to the planning finals, how and how in the F are they not in the NBA?

Speaker 22 Help me understand. Glenn Rice Jr.,

Speaker 22 what I saw from Beasley, let me take my glass off.

Speaker 22 Lance Stevenson and ISO one-on-one.

Speaker 22 Please explain to me how these people are not in the NBA.

Speaker 7 Does that tell you how good the guys in the NBA actually are now?

Speaker 22 Paul Milsap.

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Speaker 22 Okay,

Speaker 22 I'm telling you what it looks like. I'm telling you with my eyes.

Speaker 7 Yeah, going against those.

Speaker 7 You saw the NBA game. You've been courtside.
Do you see how good those guys are? Those guys are really, really good.

Speaker 7 The guy that's sitting at the end of the bench.

Speaker 7 The guy that everybody calls, man, he'll scrub. He'll bum.
He don't even get the game.

Speaker 7 He'll wax everybody at everybody's lifetime fitness at planet Hollywood Planet Fitness, wherever the card is, he'll wax everybody.

Speaker 7 That's how good this is.

Speaker 22 And I think that's the problem. That's the problem.
I haven't been in an environment enough.

Speaker 22 I went to one NBA game when the Sixers and B, the 70-point game. That was my only game I went to, whatever year that was.
And then this is my first time being in that environment again.

Speaker 22 Like, man, these motherfuckers.

Speaker 7 But you've been around pro sports. You know, the guy, even the fifth wide receiver, the guy that's on the practice squad

Speaker 7 is good. It's really, really good.

Speaker 7 And when they say, man, man, he was the lick in high school. He was an all-American.
He was all state. He was Gatorade player of the year.

Speaker 22 Yeah. Hey, one more thing, huh?

Speaker 22 It's politics, huh? It's politics. Because some of them dudes is good enough based on what I saw to still be on the NBA team and contribute to somebody.
Now, come on now.

Speaker 7 Oh, Joe, you talk about a three-on-three. Now you're talking about a five-on-five in an open court.

Speaker 22 You do realize these dudes already played in the NBA.

Speaker 7 Thank you. You played in the NFL.
There are a lot of people that play in the NFL. That don't mean they can go back and play again.

Speaker 22 That's why I said the word policy.

Speaker 7 That's why

Speaker 7 what you and I always talk about. It's easier to get in and stay in than it is to get in, get out, and try to get back in.

Speaker 7 That's why once you get in, you stay what your mom, your grandma used to tell you, boy, stay your ass in or out the house, but you ain't gonna keep running out of here.

Speaker 22 Okay, okay, okay, okay.

Speaker 7 But again, also, once you get in, stay in, and then when it says over, it's over. Now, uh, uh, uh,

Speaker 7 look, I remember Beasley when he came out. Uh, he was the number two pick, if I'm not mistaken, behind D.
Rose.

Speaker 22 That buddy was nasty tonight on geez.

Speaker 7 Uh, but you know, but you know what, Ocho, when you go back, back, we all have made mistakes and like, man, if I had it to do

Speaker 7 something,

Speaker 7 and sometimes, sometimes, some people do get do-overs, and some people don't.

Speaker 22 Yeah, he's a walking bucket, huh? That's all I can say.

Speaker 22 He's a walking bucket.

Speaker 22 Now I understand with all the talking that he does and wanting to play Joe. And Joe is a walking bucket, too.
But being able to see it.

Speaker 22 But being able to see it in person?

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 7 But no, y'all don't really, I mean, if you never saw Joe play, I've seen Joe play. I've seen Joe play playoff games.
I used to go to that

Speaker 7 game. No, Joe, no, Joe's a seven-time.
I know, I know, I know.

Speaker 22 I've never had the privilege of watching Joe play in person.

Speaker 22 So obviously, when Joe joined us and get a better understanding of Joe, but I've seen all the goddamn highlights, I say, well, goddamn, Joe.

Speaker 7 No, them guys, but when you start looking at those, those, I mean, look, there's levels to this. You start looking at the Steph Curry and the LeBrons and the KDs and the Jordan and all those guys.

Speaker 7 Man, it's levels. It's just like it's level two receivers.

Speaker 7 You know, you got tier receiver, then you got man, they got really good, but he ain't right, right, right, right. Quarterbacks, he might be, I mean, he pretty pretty good,

Speaker 22 but there's for me, it was a joy to see in person. It was, it was, it was a joy to see in person, even though they might not be at the highest level anymore, might not be playing on the biggest stage.

Speaker 7 Right, man, it's hard to get back in. I mean, uh, uh,

Speaker 7 I mean, how old Beasley now? Beasley got to be what 34, 35. Nah, he got to be might be 36.

Speaker 7 He's 36.

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Speaker 22 Yeah, hey, that was a joy though, huh? That was a joy.

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Speaker 7 Ocho, the Bears beat the Bills 38-0. Today is the first time the Bears fans can see what Caleb Williams can do in Ben Johnson's offense.
The opening drive, Williams led on a seven-play, 92-yard drive.

Speaker 7 Williams completed five of six, 97 yards. 36 of those yards came on a touchdown pass to

Speaker 7 Olamedade.

Speaker 7 I know it's the preseason

Speaker 22 and I don't want to get too I don't I don't want hey I don't want to get too far in front of this but the Bears why was I just getting ready to say that I was getting ready to say the same thing listen I know I know what Caleb Williams could do I've seen I've seen I've seen him at USC I've seen flash of him last year without someone like Ben Johnson at the helm to help him develop without Ben Johnson's creativity from an offensive standpoint understanding what he can do and help Caleb get to that next level at the quarterback position i want to talk about that goddamn luther burden

Speaker 22 that goddamn luther burden boy look good boy

Speaker 22 that goddamn rookie at receiver bro lose i've never met you before but you look good tonight obviously in the preseason people say oh it's preseason don't get too high don't get too low just but you look good boy i've been watching i've been watching the past two weeks this week i mean it doesn't matter who's throwing the ball i'm not sure why he's running with the twos and the threes you know he

Speaker 7 what you mean? So, so, so he's going to play in front of Roman dudes and

Speaker 22 DJ Mark. Obviously, I mean, three-receiver sets, yeah, I'm assuming it would be okay.

Speaker 7 Zacchaeus is in the slot.

Speaker 22 Ooh, that's a

Speaker 22 they got some decisions to make over there offensively because he looked, he looked good.

Speaker 7 Now, maybe when they go five wides, and you saw they read a lot of tight ends that they had Loveland, they had Cole Komet.

Speaker 7 Now, he is a multiple set. He is a he'll run a lot of different sets.
He'll go two tight. He'll go three wides.
He'll go five wides. He'll go empty.
He'll put his backs out.

Speaker 7 But this offense looked really, I thought overall, I thought they played well. I thought the defense got after the Bills.

Speaker 7 I thought the offense moved the ball, whether it was Williams or Bajette, I guess that's how you say his name. He came in with 13 to 22 for 196 in a touchdown.
I thought Williams was unbelievable.

Speaker 7 The opening drive to go 92 yards on five and six passing. He had 107 yards.
They had over 500 yards of offense. And like I said, I don't want to get too far away from myself, but they look good.

Speaker 7 Very good.

Speaker 7 But they did look good.

Speaker 7 And they're going to be a lot better because they have a guy that has an offense in mind because you got a quarterback and you need somebody that's imaginative, that has an imagination to put him in position and say, hey, son, I want you to be you.

Speaker 7 I'm going to put you in the best position possible. The offensive line is much improved.
The offensive line is much improved.

Speaker 22 Very much.

Speaker 7 The Bears look good.

Speaker 7 And chat, y'all, look, I know it's preseason. It's only the second game of preseason.
And I really don't want to

Speaker 7 get a speeding ticket.

Speaker 7 But let's just say I'm going 40 to 35.

Speaker 7 I ain't going 55, 60, but

Speaker 7 I'm a little over the speed limit. I'm liking what I'm seeing from people.

Speaker 22 And I'm going to say this again. I think I said it on either last night's show, or maybe I said it sometime last week.

Speaker 22 The same teams that are always in contention are going to be in contention this year. Chad, I'm going out on a limb.
I'm going to say it before the season even gets here.

Speaker 22 The two teams that I think are the dark horses to surprise everybody and make a run

Speaker 22 and have in a playoff appearance,

Speaker 22 the Chicago Bears and the Carolina Panthers. I'm telling you,

Speaker 22 people might, in the chat, you might laugh. People say, yeah, right, whatever, whatever.
I'm telling you, watch. And when it happens,

Speaker 22 don't call me Ultra Damas.

Speaker 22 I just know. I just understand how things are going to play out.

Speaker 22 I'm excited. I'm excited for the football season, man.
Like, you don't understand. I'm excited.

Speaker 7 Yeah, it's right around the corner.

Speaker 7 It's right around the corner. We're,

Speaker 7 what, September 4th?

Speaker 22 Yeah, Thursday night.

Speaker 22 Dallas and the Eagles.

Speaker 22 Dallas and the Eagles.

Speaker 7 So we're about three weeks away. God damn.
Well,

Speaker 7 we're two weeks from Thursday, right? So two weeks from Thursday.

Speaker 22 What the hell are we supposed to do in between that time?

Speaker 7 We'll find something to talk about. We'll talk about you scoring zero points in a big three.

Speaker 7 That's a whole show by itself.

Speaker 22 It is a whole show by itself. I got to see if I score zero and we lost, but the point of a team game is to win, I thought.

Speaker 7 First of all, you can't score zero.

Speaker 22 I mean, you can score whatever you want as long as you win.

Speaker 7 You have if they need, you know, if you score, that means you put something on the court. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 22 Listen, there are other so many other aspects to my game outside of just scoring because we already had two prolific scores on the court. So what did I do? My defensive presence.

Speaker 22 Hey, I was, I was like this. I'm talking about,

Speaker 22 they couldn't even get by me. And then I had them messing up, turning the ball over.

Speaker 22 You should have saw me, huh? You should have been court side, man.

Speaker 7 Why you didn't make Gilly turn it over? He did.

Speaker 22 I made Gilly turn it over twice,

Speaker 22 turn the ball over twice, just playing defense. And they tried to pick.
And I squeezed right through the pick, like Michael Jackson. Went right through the pick.
No, no, no, no, sir.

Speaker 22 I got skinny real quick.

Speaker 22 I got skinny real quick. No, where are you going?

Speaker 7 Come here. Oh, you fought over the screen?

Speaker 22 No, I went. No, no, no,

Speaker 22 I ain't even bowl over it. I wouldn't bow over it.

Speaker 7 You fought? Yeah, I went right through it.

Speaker 22 I got skinny, so it didn't work.

Speaker 7 Interesting.

Speaker 22 Yeah, but listen, man, listen, so many other aspects of my game was on point. Why didn't even need to be a score? That's how great I am.

Speaker 22 That's how great I am. Right.

Speaker 7 I think in watching the Bears, I think Ibra Fluce and his system or whomever he had coaching Caleb Williams,

Speaker 7 this is the best we've seen the Bears' offense. Look, Chicago scored zero touchdowns on its opening possessions last year.

Speaker 7 So in 17 games, they had zero touchdowns on opening possessions. And like I said, I understand this is a preseason game.
They had the most drives ending in punts. They were dead last in total offense.

Speaker 7 So I look,

Speaker 7 you can't go nowhere but

Speaker 22 the Bears were dead last in total offense last year.

Speaker 7 Yes, 32.

Speaker 22 I like them to finish in the top 10.

Speaker 22 I like them to finish in the top 10 with all them goddamn weapons.

Speaker 7 Yeah, they got some weapons.

Speaker 7 I mean,

Speaker 7 they had 43 carries. And the thing is that I like about him, that

Speaker 7 he'll run it and he'll throw it. They had 39 pass attempts.
They had 43 rush attempts

Speaker 7 first of all that's a lot of that's a lot of damn plays even for a preseason

Speaker 22 let's get that it's the bill it's the bills fault it's the bills fault too many goddamn three and outs

Speaker 7 drubisky mike white

Speaker 7 frank gore jr looked good he had a fumble but uh he yeah you gotta get it he reminds you over there you gotta have that thing high and tight especially when that traffic comes when that that traffic comes he ain't said you know he ain't see him coming he saw the guy from the side

Speaker 22 a little peanut pun but i but

Speaker 7 and they are in a tough division that is a very tough division that the bears are in you got green bay you got detroit you got minnesota so you got to get better and

Speaker 22 you don't have you don't have no one thing you have to get better on is putting up points because every other

Speaker 22 Every other team you just named,

Speaker 22 they putting up points. And I'm not talking about field goals either

Speaker 22 no but it's gonna be interesting to see what detroit is without ben johnson well hey wait a minute you got to understand even with without ben johnson there the same players are still there so i i think even with the creativity regardless if the creativity isn't there the plays of the call they still have players that can go get it jamison wilson james jamison williams Williams.

Speaker 22 Oh, God. Why am I talking so fast? Slow down, Ocho, slow down.
J-Mo can go get it.

Speaker 22 Amon Rossi Brown can go get it jameer you know you know what you get from david montgomery jameer gear because i mean i think regardless of who's calling the plays the play calling job is that easy because of the elite talent at his disposal to be able to use

Speaker 7 well if if if it was that easy so why wasn't chicago any better than what they were if all it was about players

Speaker 22 whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa there there's no amon ross st brown over there there is no

Speaker 7 we said they look good did we not say the Bears were good?

Speaker 7 Now,

Speaker 7 what player that we said looked good that wasn't there last year?

Speaker 7 You told me it's the player, it doesn't matter who the play caller is, so it shouldn't matter that Ibra Flu was there or whomever the play caller.

Speaker 22 Listen, I'm speaking specifically on personnel and skill set.

Speaker 7 I'm looking at the point, but let's come on. Caleb Williams, was he not the quarterback?

Speaker 22 Let's let's please. No, no, you're not understanding what I'm saying.

Speaker 7 I'm understanding

Speaker 22 by positions.

Speaker 22 I tell you, he might have have the better players, and I mean no disrespect to what the Bears have. I'm just saying that it's

Speaker 7 levels, right?

Speaker 7 Yes.

Speaker 7 I'll give you another example. What happened to the Eagles when they lost both of their coordinators after going to the Super Bowl? They had the same players.
Jalen Hurst was there, A.J.

Speaker 7 Brown was there, Devontae Smith was there. What happened the next season? Did they look the same?

Speaker 22 I know it's not a true question, but

Speaker 22 I'm trying to think.

Speaker 7 Okay, when they went, wait, when the Eagles went to the Super Bowl, they went to the Super Bowl, they lost, they lost both coordinators, the offensive coordinator and the defensive coordinators.

Speaker 7 The same players were

Speaker 22 the defense couldn't tackle a goddamn couldn't tackle a soul.

Speaker 7 You say it didn't matter.

Speaker 22 Yeah,

Speaker 22 I think we make it

Speaker 22 because the Eagles' problem was their defense. They wouldn't tackle no goddamn body.
And

Speaker 7 what about the offense?

Speaker 22 To that point, it looked like they was doing it on goddamn purpose.

Speaker 7 What about the offense? How'd they offense? It was all right.

Speaker 22 It was all right. It was all right.

Speaker 7 Jalen Hurts had more turnover in the first half of the season than he had the entire season the year before. But you say they look the same.

Speaker 22 But you can't. Wait, hold on.

Speaker 7 Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Speaker 22 You can't blame the offensive wolves on the individual player, on the person calling the goddamn.

Speaker 7 You just have to make better.

Speaker 7 I'm asking you, did their offense look the same as the offense that went to the Super Bowl? Did their defense look the same as the defense that led them to the Super Bowl? That's all I'm asking.

Speaker 22 But listen,

Speaker 22 I tell you what. I tell you what.

Speaker 22 I love the points you're trying to make, but I know the makeup of the Detroit Lions offense, that they're still going to look to par regardless of whether Ben Johnson is there or not, because of what they have there.

Speaker 7 What about defense? They lost AG2, though.

Speaker 22 Ooh, that's nice. They still got Brian Branch.

Speaker 22 They still got

Speaker 22 Aiden Hutchinson.

Speaker 22 He's back. He's back.

Speaker 22 They got one more dog over there.

Speaker 22 I'm losing. I'm losing.

Speaker 7 Terror and Arnold.

Speaker 7 Are you talking about Carrie Joseph?

Speaker 22 Yes, the safety. Kerry Joseph.
Hell, he had what?

Speaker 22 10, 10, 9, 11?

Speaker 7 I think he had eight or nine picks.

Speaker 22 Terry and Arnold.

Speaker 7 Listen, along the dog. He got to do,

Speaker 7 he got to keep his hold.

Speaker 22 Yeah, that's it. That's it.
I think they're going to be right on both sides of the ball. I know one thing, they're going to put some points up.
They're going to put some points up.

Speaker 7 Yeah, it's always sometimes you have a like, it takes you, it nor sometimes it takes a team a year to adjust

Speaker 7 without because Ben has been there so long. I mean, he's been there, what, what, four or five years?

Speaker 7 I mean, that's the only, that's the only person that Jerry Goff has had in his ear since he's been in Detroit.

Speaker 7 AG, he's been to D.C. for what, three years? Very good.
So it's good. Look, they're an extremely talented ball club.

Speaker 7 They're one of the favorites, along with the Eagles,

Speaker 7 the Eagles,

Speaker 7 Detroit, the Packers, the Niners,

Speaker 7 you know,

Speaker 7 Tampa.

Speaker 22 Hey, hold on. I got a question.

Speaker 22 You just said the Niners. You think the Niners still going to look the same?

Speaker 22 no debo i don't

Speaker 7 they got robert solo back

Speaker 7 deep debo deep debo didn't give him anything last year ojo he didn't give him anything he wasn't a debo from uh

Speaker 7 but here's the thing they also get they let's just say they get a healthy christian mccaffe back

Speaker 7 hey that's nasty because he get Now it's going to be interesting to see how healthy Brandon Ayuki is and how soon. Because sometime, Ocho, it's the year after the

Speaker 7 following year, not the season right after the surgery, it's the year after.

Speaker 7 So

Speaker 7 we'll see how soon. But, you know,

Speaker 7 they still got an outstanding offensive line.

Speaker 7 Big Trent, let's see how healthy he is. Can he get back to being Trent Williams? Kittle is still a top tight end in the league.

Speaker 7 Purdy. Now, they did lose some guys.
Dre Greenlaw, Ward, they lost some guys.

Speaker 7 Hafanga.

Speaker 7 They've lost some guys on the defensive side, but Robert Salah is back.

Speaker 22 That defense wasn't the same without Robert Salah.

Speaker 22 Without Robert Salah. Hey, did they ever fix

Speaker 22 receiver, Jawan Jennings? Did they ever contract?

Speaker 7 No, I haven't heard anything else about it. I haven't heard anything else about it.

Speaker 22 Yeah, he's nice for the work he put in and stepping up when Nayuka went down and when Debo was hurt and injured, he made some really, really good plays and

Speaker 22 made sure they didn't miss a beat offensively i i hope to reward him before the season starts

Speaker 7 yeah it's kind of outro kind of like the situation that uh cam hayward is in because remember they they tore cam hayward gave him a two-year deal and then you know he played well and said well i can't see myself playing on on this number because

Speaker 7 um because other guys he saw other defensive players get pay raises sometimes the worst thing you can do is base your worth on what somebody else got.

Speaker 22 Ooh, that's a good one. I like that.

Speaker 7 Oh, I don't know. They used to do it.
I don't know if they still did it when you were there. You remember they used to pass the thing around the sheet around? All the receivers.

Speaker 7 They had all the highest paid because you're a receiver, so you saw what everybody else paid. You like, he making that.

Speaker 7 Plus, you got all the guys on your own team, plus every receiver, what they're making.

Speaker 7 Oh, man, man, that thing come out there. Hey, I get that thing.
I be looking at somebody

Speaker 7 like,

Speaker 2 you make that?

Speaker 7 And you giving us that?

Speaker 22 Man, speaking of teammates, no told me to tell you hello?

Speaker 7 Crockett.

Speaker 22 I see no Ray, boy. I see no Ray.

Speaker 7 But hey,

Speaker 7 that was my road, dog.

Speaker 7 Hey, Bear Crock was quick to take a trip to Vegas.

Speaker 22 Yeah, Ray,

Speaker 22 Ray told me to tell you hello man

Speaker 7 man i hate i ain't talking to croc in a minute we got to go back i got i'm gonna hit him up stop

Speaker 22 what he doing

Speaker 7 he's drinking up my cup oh damn he I don't even want to say I'm like a I'm like a Ray on what you call it when the man walk out there naked he had jello I don't even want it no more what you were drinking

Speaker 22 Water. Okay, okay, okay.

Speaker 7 Look at him. Look at him.
He does nothing.

Speaker 22 He's thirsty. Hey, twin, twin.
You thirsty, twin?

Speaker 7 Bro, he just left. He got water in the kitchen.

Speaker 22 Hey, you know, water in the kitchen and water in the cup, be two completely different things.

Speaker 7 It's the same water, I promise you.

Speaker 7 Look at there, look at here.

Speaker 7 I don't even want this no more, George.

Speaker 7 Bro,

Speaker 7 why you come up here? I thought you wanted to lay down anyway.

Speaker 22 Well, he look like a miniature lion.

Speaker 22 Oh, man. Hey, you know who you know who played tomorrow night, huh?

Speaker 5 Who? Who?

Speaker 22 Hoover.

Speaker 22 Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 7 Who they played? He played the commanders.

Speaker 7 Oh, you saw us put foots and arrows on the last night, did you? It looked good, you didn't it.

Speaker 7 It was all right, it was all right, it looked good. LeBron,

Speaker 22 it was cool, it was cool,

Speaker 22 it was cool.

Speaker 7 I want you to go down there and send you down to Miami.

Speaker 7 Drink out of every cup on the table.

Speaker 22 Oh,

Speaker 22 at my place,

Speaker 22 he comes to my place, he's gonna be mad, he's gonna be thirsty as hell. Uncle I ain't got no pots, I ain't got no pans,

Speaker 22 I ain't got no, I don't got no cups, I ain't got nothing in there.

Speaker 22 Like, I live, I have a minimal, a minimal,

Speaker 22 what's the word?

Speaker 7 Are you a minimalist?

Speaker 22 A minimalist. Yeah.

Speaker 7 It seemed like you're a survivalist.

Speaker 22 That too. That too.
That too. See, all the unnecessary stuff, I used to used to get nice big places and start just buying stuff.
And it looks so cluttered. So

Speaker 22 I remember when I think my idea,

Speaker 22 when Kim Kardashian was with Kanye, remember they had that White House where it looked like a museum when you walk in? Everything was real spacious, but it was cool. And

Speaker 22 it wasn't all cluttered and it just looked it looked different like a museum so that was my idea and that's what i did i went all white i ain't got no pots i ain't got no pans i ain't got no damn toaster i ain't got nothing

Speaker 22 yeah yeah i ain't got nothing but it it looks really good you get and when you walk in it's like wow

Speaker 22 this looks um

Speaker 22 it looks expensive you know Does it look lived in that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It looks lived in, but I can't, I keep, I keep

Speaker 22 everything is all white. Of course, it looks lived in.
Like, my kids come there and I tell them, don't touch nothing.

Speaker 7 Don't touch nothing.

Speaker 7 No sound. Don't do nothing.

Speaker 22 Don't touch my piano.

Speaker 22 You know, I got a white piano. I've been taking a piano lesson.
Don't touch nothing.

Speaker 22 Yeah, man.

Speaker 22 Thales,

Speaker 22 man, we're trying to do the show, twin.

Speaker 22 Go play with Teddy.

Speaker 7 All right, lay down.

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Speaker 7 The same quarterback competition might go down to the wire. Shook played four drives, gained only nine yards in the first two.

Speaker 7 Then he went five or six on his best drive, which ended in a Chris Olave drop leading to a field goal. Spencer Rattler had five drives, one of which ended in a field goal after he threw a

Speaker 7 49-yard pass interference call on the incompletion of Mason Timpton. Rattler finished 18 to 24, 199 with a touchdown and an interception.
I thought Roth made some good throws.

Speaker 7 I thought Rattler made it on a deep seven route, Ocho. He threw it,

Speaker 7 basically turned it into a square out because

Speaker 7 the wide receiver squared it off. Yeah, nice, nice route.

Speaker 7 I don't think it's a foregone conclusion. I could be wrong, but I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that Spencer Rattler started.

Speaker 22 You think they're going to put Shuck in front of him?

Speaker 7 Well, he started. I think, if I'm not mistaken, I think he started today, didn't he?

Speaker 22 Well, they did.

Speaker 7 Didn't Shuck start today or Rattler started today?

Speaker 22 They did it on purpose.

Speaker 22 If Shuck did start, they did it on purpose. Okay, we let Spencer Rattler start the first game.
Shuck, you don't get to go this game, and we'll compare the two.

Speaker 7 And then we, yeah, we'll see.

Speaker 7 Yeah, Shuck's starting. Yeah.

Speaker 22 See,

Speaker 22 it's like

Speaker 22 my grandma used to have a saying, when two things are bad, listen, you got to go with one of them.

Speaker 22 You got to pick the lesser of the evil. I guess.
Something like that, she used to say all the time.

Speaker 22 Neither of the two have shown any signs where it's like, you know what? He cleared day is the better player. He cleared they is a better quarterback.

Speaker 22 with the ball in his hands, making the better decisions to give us a chance to win week in and week out. They don't have someone like that, which is why I don't understand.

Speaker 22 Never mind, I'm not going to get back to the the drafting no

Speaker 7 i think and plus ocho i think of of the four teams that's in that division clearly they have the worst worst quarterback play of any team in that division

Speaker 22 um you know tampa i think tampa has the best quarterback the best team the best team maybe in maybe then atlanta clearly

Speaker 7 uh

Speaker 7 And then, you know, you like Bryce Young or do you like Michael Pennix Jr.?

Speaker 7 But no matter where you put them, two, three, three, two, whatever the case may be, those quarterbacks are still better than what they possess in New Orleans. And

Speaker 7 that's what New Orleans is up against.

Speaker 7 I mean, that's what the Saints are up against:

Speaker 7 the quarterback and that, and they're not going to face very many teams in which the opposing team quarterback is worse than theirs.

Speaker 7 Because when you look at it, when you look at the landscape of the NFL, you tell me who got worse quarterbacks than what the playoffs in New Orleans.

Speaker 22 I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 22 Twitter is very truthful.

Speaker 22 People on Twitter and Instagrams tell the truth. And I simply asked a question not too long ago: Saints fans, are you

Speaker 22 optimistic about the quarterback situation depending on where they want to go? Whether it was Spencer.

Speaker 7 Oh, no, no, no, you ain't. They're and they like, no.

Speaker 7 No, no, you're not going nowhere. No quarterback.
We're going to be trash.

Speaker 22 We're going to be trash.

Speaker 7 This is their fans. Look.

Speaker 7 The hardest thing to do

Speaker 7 is when you have a great quarterback,

Speaker 7 is to not be afraid to draft a quarterback.

Speaker 7 And you see,

Speaker 7 you see what happens when you go look at, because they take all the reps, and the last thing you want to do is take a quarterback high, Ocho, and take the quarterback off.

Speaker 7 So teams skate around it. And the next thing you know, the guy died, he

Speaker 7 rots on the vine.

Speaker 7 He leaves. Now, what do you got?

Speaker 7 They never got an adequate replacement for Drew Reese.

Speaker 7 Say what you want about Coach Belichick, but Coach Belichick was trying to, he was trying to predict. He was trying to get ready for the future.
He was trying to have the bridge.

Speaker 7 Now, he started to build a bridge too soon.

Speaker 7 But

Speaker 7 look at Peyton.

Speaker 7 They didn't have a thing. He gets hurt.
They go 2-14. Now, perfect thing happened.
Perfect story.

Speaker 7 Guess what? Andrew Luck's coming out.

Speaker 7 Now, it'd have been great if Luck could have stayed healthy. Well,

Speaker 7 they had skill position players, but they couldn't protect him. And he didn't do a good enough job protecting himself because

Speaker 7 he took some shots he shouldn't have taken. Sometimes you got to protect yourself.
You got to protect yourself.

Speaker 7 They need to do a better job of giving him an offensive line, OJo, but he needed to do a better job of protecting himself once he got past the offensive line. Slide down.

Speaker 7 You run out of bounds. You can't play hero ball against those guys that break you.

Speaker 7 And so, and that's the hard thing. Because, you know, nobody, we saw what happened when Green Bay took Aaron Rodgers, it ticked off Brett Favre.

Speaker 7 When Green Bay took Jordan Love, it ticked off Aaron Rodgers. So you, you, you, I mean, you walking a real, real tightrope, Ocho.
Like,

Speaker 7 I know I'm going to make him mad, but I can make him mad and have another 10, 12 years of prosperity once he leaves, or

Speaker 7 I can keep him happy, and when he leaves, I'll be in the trash bin for a decade.

Speaker 22 There are two teams that are struggling in that same, in that area right now. The Pittsburgh Steelers did it with Big Ben.

Speaker 22 Obviously, the Saints didn't have anyone once Drew Brees decided to hang it up.

Speaker 7 Correct.

Speaker 7 You're right.

Speaker 7 So

Speaker 7 that's a fine line that teams walk. And

Speaker 7 I don't everybody have to make those tough decisions. Oh, Joe, the Texans Texans trade John Mechie the third to the Eagles.
Texans receive Harrison Bryant

Speaker 7 and a fifth-round pick. The Eagles received John Mechie and a sixth-round pick.
Eagles' room now includes A.J. Brown, Devontae Smith, who was a teammate of John Mechani

Speaker 7 of the third, Johan Dotson,

Speaker 7 and Johnny Wilson.

Speaker 22 Hey, that's not fair.

Speaker 22 That's not fair.

Speaker 7 Hey, Jay Tuck said, dog,

Speaker 7 WTF is going on. Why do teams just keep helping?

Speaker 22 I was just getting ready to say the same thing. I was just getting ready to say the same thing.
Not only do you add another wide receiver to the receiver room, you still got Saipon Barkley.

Speaker 22 You're coming off the Super Bowl win. You got one hell of a goddamn defense.
You know, you got the young studs out there, Keon Mitchell. And

Speaker 22 what's the

Speaker 22 Cooper Deshmart? Oh, my goodness, Cooper Deja.

Speaker 22 He's so nice.

Speaker 22 Listen, Cooper DeJohn was so nice and played so well last year. They really let Darius Lay go to the goddamn Steelers.

Speaker 22 Like he made that big of an impression. You know what? We can move on.
As good as Darius Slay still is

Speaker 7 the money. Look at that.
But you got a guy's second-round pick that's on a rookie contract.

Speaker 7 Or you got a guy, you got a guy making $14, $16, $18 million.

Speaker 7 And they're looking at it like it's not, they're like, with the D-line we got, he ain't got to come along.

Speaker 22 Yeah, it's good, good, good talk,

Speaker 7 you know what I'm saying? Don't you? That's our team.

Speaker 7 So,

Speaker 7 I mean,

Speaker 7 plus, you know, Mechie was, I mean, the Texans turning in. Like, he was running.
I think I read he was running like fifth on the death chart.

Speaker 22 Fifth?

Speaker 7 That's what they said. Because, you know, they had Christian Kirk from Jacksonville.

Speaker 22 Hey, that boy could run, boy. Christian Kirk, who could run.
You got Nico, Christian Kirk. Who's in number two?

Speaker 7 He is because you know they got Nico Collins. Tank Dell's not going to play.

Speaker 22 Oh, man.

Speaker 22 Okay. Okay.
I like Tank, boy. Tank, nice, boy.
He nice.

Speaker 22 Oh, that's crazy. But

Speaker 7 look.

Speaker 7 They need, they wanted to make sure they're straight at the receiver position, the Eagles. Look, Johnny Wilson, I think Johnny Wilson is a rookie, isn't he? I think he's a rookie.

Speaker 7 I'm sorry if he's not.

Speaker 7 But Mechie is a third-year guy. He remember he missed his first year, Ocho.
He was dealing with Yukima. Thanks to the man above that he was able to beat that.

Speaker 7 Came back.

Speaker 7 But AJ, Devontae, Johan Dawson, Mechie, how soon can he pick up the system? He'll probably be the fourth wide out.

Speaker 7 And they had a, you know, you turn that into

Speaker 7 get John Mechie on a sixth-round pick, Harrison Bryant.

Speaker 7 It's a second year, okay.

Speaker 7 So we don't

Speaker 7 a guy that might not even made the roster. We end up getting a tight end that we need because one of our tight ends got hurt.
He's going to be gone for the season and we pick up a fifth-round pick.

Speaker 7 A guy that might not even made our roster. So we get a need position and a pick from next year.

Speaker 7 According to Diana Rossini, the Bengals have been actively engaged in trade discussions surrounding Trey Hendrickson for weeks.

Speaker 7 According to teams, they've reached out to Cincinnati only seeking draft capital in return. They're also targeted defensive players in a potential deal.

Speaker 7 Last season, Hendrickson ranked first in sack, first in pressure, sixth in pressure rates, third in havoc plays, second in tackle for losses.

Speaker 7 The last two seasons off the field, Hendricks, a defense. With him off the field, Ocho, you're 32nd in pressure rate,

Speaker 7 32nd in success rate, 32nd in pass rating.

Speaker 7 When he's on the field, you're top 12 in pressure rates, top 12 in success rate, top 12 in pass rating.

Speaker 7 I don't understand this. This is what I don't understand.
You knew you weren't going to play him. They knew that, Ocho, but what they thought, he was going to do what he did last year.

Speaker 7 Oh, he'll come in. He told you he wasn't.
Just like Chase said, if y'all pull that bull jive y'all did last year, I'm not coming in.

Speaker 7 He said he wasn't coming. Yeah.

Speaker 7 Y'all knew y'all wouldn't say I don't understand it, Ocho.

Speaker 22 Why would you not move him before the draft and get somebody get a draft pan listen i i have no idea i thought maybe i i'm thinking maybe maybe

Speaker 22 mike brown k troy duke understanding that trey hendrickson loves not just the team but loves the game of football and maybe he would fold at some point and come back and obviously he's one that understands the business And you got to hit while the fire is hot.

Speaker 22 You got to hit while the stove is hot. And And this is his time.
This is his time to hit based on what he's done, not just last year, but the previous year as well.

Speaker 22 But then you also look at it from their viewpoint. Well, hell, you had 17 sacks last year, but our defense was horrible still.

Speaker 7 But you paid your quarterback and you two wired.

Speaker 22 But our offense was phenomenal.

Speaker 7 So let me make sure I hold you right. This is what Trey Ringo said.
He said, let's recap. The Bengal have a generational Hall of Fame quarterback.
They paid their two top targets.

Speaker 7 despite all this they missed a playoff last season because their defense was terrible so how do they fix that by listening to trade offers for the best defensive player unsigned defensive and tray hendrickson this is how management fails its players kyle brand said if the bingles trade trey hendrickson it will just be the second time in the modern era that a player has led the nfls in sack and to be traded the following season the only other time that happened kansas city traded hall of famer jared allen to minnesota Minnesota in 2008.

Speaker 7 Allen was first team all-pro three times with the Vikings.

Speaker 22 Well, I mean, the reports are saying they are listening. They're listening to

Speaker 22 trade offers. So I'm hoping, I'm hoping.

Speaker 7 Oh, Joe, but you knew you weren't going to pay him. He had made it abundantly clear.
You got, so whatever y'all worked behind things, he's like, okay, he came back.

Speaker 7 Okay, maybe if I get close there, they see me there. Hey, we can engage again.
They were unwilling. He's not going to take what you're going to offer him.
17 and a half sacks in back-to-back years.

Speaker 7 There are not very many guys that's played since the sack became an official stat in 1982. Have put together 17 and a half sacks in back-to-back seasons.

Speaker 7 He's done that.

Speaker 7 I just don't know how you think you got, oh Joe.

Speaker 7 If you couldn't stop anybody with him, who the hell are you stopping without him?

Speaker 7 We saw last year

Speaker 7 Chase had the triple crown. Burrow led the league in what, passing yards and passing touchdowns.
And you missed the playoffs

Speaker 7 because your defense was atrocious. And what do you do?

Speaker 7 Clearly, the guy that's leap years ahead of everybody on your defense is not even close. And remember, Ocho, you released Pratt.

Speaker 7 You lied. He wanted a deal as well.

Speaker 22 Pratt went to the Raiders.

Speaker 22 Go ahead, Ocho. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 22 Okay, chat.

Speaker 22 I mean, listen.

Speaker 22 Yeah,

Speaker 22 it's the business. Understand how the business works.
I think the Bengals see it as we were very bad defensively last year with you. Why are we paying you this much money?

Speaker 7 You just got worse.

Speaker 22 Yeah, I mean, listen. I mean, you never know.
Shamar Stewart. What will Shamar Stewart be for us this year? He's a rookie.

Speaker 22 I'm not saying we're counting on a rookie to come in, but if he's good, if he does.

Speaker 7 How many rookies have ever had 17 sacks?

Speaker 22 i'm not saying i'm not saying he's gonna get 17 huh i'm just saying the way the business works paying you top dollar and you're bringing a rookie that's on what who know

Speaker 22 a minimal salary minimal salary and can come in and contribute he might not get 17 sacks but will do maybe not a good job as tray henderson but be efficient

Speaker 7 the most sacks ever by a rookie Is Javon Curtis in 1999. He had 14 and a half.

Speaker 22 And listen, no disrespect. I'm not going to be disrespectful.

Speaker 7 I don't.

Speaker 7 No, he ain't. I don't know if he's freak.
We'll have to see. But freak was special.
I played again. He was a real deal.

Speaker 22 He was a real deal.

Speaker 22 I'm excited, though.

Speaker 22 I'm excited. I mean, listen, I don't know what's going to happen.
I don't think whatever does happen, our identity in Cincinnati, our identity is our offense. And I said it, and I say it again.

Speaker 22 I don't know what we're going to do defensively, but we have to improve from last year. We don't need you to be the best defense in the world.

Speaker 22 we don't need to be you need you to be the best i just need you to be wait let me let me finish i just need you to be somewhere in the middle of the pack 15

Speaker 22 16

Speaker 22 be able to make be able to make stops when it matters most i don't need you to be number one

Speaker 22 i don't need i don't need to be number two i don't need you to be three four or five

Speaker 22 i just need you to be meet us halfway meet the offense halfway 15 16 17 somewhere around there we're gonna be all right

Speaker 7 if you had a pass or tan if if you had a Stingley, if you had a Sauce Gardner, you had a Ramsey, if you had one of those top guys, I could say, okay, Ocho, you can hold up a little longer, get them guys, but y'all don't have that.

Speaker 7 Y'all best defensive player, hands down, and it wasn't even close, is Trey Henderson.

Speaker 7 Ocho, you guys scored 38 and lose 41-38. Ocho, you guys scored 35 and lose 38-35

Speaker 7 because you couldn't get off the field.

Speaker 22 Okay, not

Speaker 7 with that being said. I don't know how you're going to improve.

Speaker 7 I don't know if you've made that big of an improvement defensively, even with Stewart.

Speaker 7 He will have to be

Speaker 7 curse, Micah, Aaron Donald, LT. He's going to have to have those kind of seeds.

Speaker 22 I don't know. Listen,

Speaker 22 you've been around the game for a long time. We've seen situations like this happen and occur on many other teams.

Speaker 22 they don't feel he's worth the price tag that he's asking for they've already paid t they've already played chase they played joe i mean i mean this is just that he's the odd man out he's the odd man out and now they're listening to trade offers and it's i

Speaker 7 but you know but unless it's well maybe if you trade him

Speaker 7 well you can't trade him for micah because you can't pay micah I'm trying to say who are you going to trade? Who can you trade him for?

Speaker 7 Because if you trade him just for a draft pick, you don't get nothing to help you this year. And you need help this this year.
Come out, rewind that,

Speaker 22 rewind it right back. Now, you just got me excited.

Speaker 22 You just got me excited. I don't know how much money is left over.
I don't know any they can manipulate the cap and make it happen.

Speaker 22 Is there any way, any scenario, that we can get Michael Parsons?

Speaker 7 No,

Speaker 7 you're going to have three guys making over 40 million on your roster.

Speaker 22 Hey,

Speaker 22 I like the way that sound.

Speaker 22 I like the way I just listen.

Speaker 7 You won't even play Trey Hendricks. You won't even pay Trey Hendrickson 30 million, but you're going to give Michael Parsons 43, 44 million.

Speaker 22 Can I ask you a question?

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 22 How old is Trey Hendrickson? Ask Ash. How old is Trey?

Speaker 7 How old is Trey? 32?

Speaker 22 30. How old is Michael Parsons?

Speaker 7 25?

Speaker 7 He came out early, so he might be 26.

Speaker 22 26. Now, ask me that question again.
Would they pay him 43?

Speaker 7 No.

Speaker 7 They wouldn't. They would.

Speaker 22 They would.

Speaker 22 I could ask right now.

Speaker 22 I can call personnel right now on the phone.

Speaker 7 They're not paying.

Speaker 7 First of all, they're not paying a $55 million quarterback, a $43, $45 million defensive player, a $41 million wide receiver, and a $30 million wide receiver. They're not having that.

Speaker 7 They're not paying that.

Speaker 2 Hold on.

Speaker 22 I was getting, you know what?

Speaker 7 They just, oh, Joe, y'all just started spending money two years ago with Burrow. Think about all the great players that you guys have had that have left.
Right.

Speaker 22 I'm gonna, I'm gonna call somebody upstairs. I'm just hypothetical.
I wanna, I'm gonna see what they say.

Speaker 22 Damn, I like that. That's that's crazy.

Speaker 7 BJ Hill, Chris Jenkins.

Speaker 7 I don't know, Ocho. Damn.

Speaker 7 Y'all might be in the same situation.

Speaker 22 Nah, I don't think so. Hey, I have a question, huh? Okay.
Would it be rude if I called Zach and asked that? That's rude, huh?

Speaker 7 You ask whatever you want to ask him.

Speaker 22 That's not offensive, right? It's just a regular question.

Speaker 22 Regular question for what? That's Zach Taylor.

Speaker 22 If I call and ask. Is that rude?

Speaker 7 You can ask whatever you want to, Ocho.

Speaker 2 We'll sit right here and watch. Wait.

Speaker 7 I don't know if the chat believes you calling him, but oh, sure.

Speaker 22 Yeah, I'm texting. Look.

Speaker 22 Can you see that, Unc?

Speaker 22 I said, Coach, are you up? I want to make sure you're up. I don't want to call.
It's 12 o'clock.

Speaker 22 They play tomorrow. So I don't know.
It's 12.19.

Speaker 22 They playing in D.C.

Speaker 22 What's the time difference in DC?

Speaker 7 Dallas is on Central time. DC is on Eastern time.

Speaker 22 So, oh, it's 12:19.

Speaker 22 I call E.B., you know E.B., right? You know, Eric Ball.

Speaker 7 No?

Speaker 22 Eric Ball played with the Bengals when you was playing.

Speaker 22 With um,

Speaker 22 with, um,

Speaker 22 with David, I think, yeah, yeah, but David Folcher. Yeah

Speaker 22 DB no, uh, no, wait,

Speaker 7 oh, you're running back.

Speaker 22 I think Eric Ball might have been a running back. I think

Speaker 22 you probably know, you probably know him when you see him. He's been over there since since I was there, before I got there.

Speaker 22 Yeah, Eric Ball, yeah, yeah, part of player.

Speaker 22 I forgot, I don't know how to pronounce the

Speaker 7 what are he uh uh community like community relations guy yeah I think his

Speaker 7 player personnel.

Speaker 22 Probably it might be some player engagement. Yeah, probably something like that.
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