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The Titans beat the Falcons 23-20.

Cam Ward finishes 2 of 7 for 42 yards.

Should have had one more completion.

Should have been 3 of 7 at the bare minimum.

But

from what you saw,

what did you like about what you saw from Cam Ward?

A continuation of what he did the first preseason of the game.

Obviously, it was only 2 for 7, but there was a drop Van Jefferson on that overroute that he should should have had that was a that was a beautiful throw i see a lot of seeing a lot of people in the comments when i mentioned the throw being that it was overthrown and i'm like what do you talk about no you got that's that's that's a catchable ball

for a professional receiver that's a very catchable ball and it was it was the dime outside of that um

a few drops he had a few drops other than that uh it was good it was good uh people will look at the stat line and say uh it doesn't look the same as opposed to how he did in the first game but still he was the same calm poise and control of everything and and he made good decisions with the ball

hey i i i agree i agree with you ocho uh my thing when i'm watching is his his his poise and patience in the pocket him not getting rattled and he making the right reads on ocho that's i think that's the biggest key you know i sit back and watch these young guys come into this league this grown man league uh just to see how they adapt and how they are in the pocket whether it's you know cam ward or should i i enjoy watching those guys play man they look like they look like they're in for a pretty good season.

Yeah, what I will say to Anga Joe,

what we have to be cautious about is it is preseason.

These defenses are very, very vanilla, and the quarterbacks haven't got hit yet.

I know that rookie, I know they look polished, you know, based on what we've seen so far.

But when you get hit upside the head a few times, you know, and you get the bitch a little bit, will they still be able to have that same calmness, that same relaxance, that same poise under pressure when you've been hit or sacked a couple times?

You can play fast, but not in a hurry.

I think the thing is, is that you have more time than you think.

And a lot of times when rookies come in,

they speed themselves up.

And it's normally their second year, Joe, and Ocho, you heard people say this all the time.

All of a sudden, the game slowed down for me.

And that's what you want to have happen.

You want the game to slow down.

You don't want the game to speed you up.

Play fast, but don't play in a hurry.

I like Cam Ward's poise.

I agree with you, Joe.

I like his poise.

I thought he was very deliberate.

Yeah, he had some very unfortunate situation where the guy dropped the ball.

A professional wide receiver.

Got to make that catch.

Now, if you're in high school, you don't make that catch.

Okay, fine.

Bro, you A.

But as a professional, a guy that's getting paid to catch the football, those are the type of, dog, that's what you paid for.

That's what you're paying for.

You're paying, you know, to make the to make the difficult ones.

I mean, hey, you're going to make the routine.

You got to make enough of the routine ones, but every once in a while, you got to come down with a, you know, you got to help the quarterback out.

He's not going to always be able to hit you between the numbers.

And so now this is your opportunity to help him out.

But I like what I saw from Cam Ward.

I really did.

Atlanta fell behind, but

Eastonstick.

He came in and threw the ball because, you know, Pennix Jr.

didn't play at all.

That's the only thing, though, Ocho.

I was like, damn, they don't let these guys play at all.

I mean, Ocho, I couldn't even imagine.

Could you imagine standing on the sideline the first, second preseason game ocho and not even dressed you know i'm you know how i am you heard enough stories about how it was

i'm practicing i'm excuse me not practicing i'm playing in the preseason i don't care

i i i do not care joe i had i had my coach every preseason game i had i forced coach lewis to call timeouts in the preseason joe Just to get me out of the game, man, I need these reps.

I need to get acclimated to game speed.

Game speed.

I don't care if we can practice 100 times, Joe, we could practice 100 times.

It's different.

And I wanted my body, I wanted my body to get accustomed to that as fast as possible before week one came along.

Right.

Hey, listen.

Because you know why, Ocho?

I think.

Go ahead, Joe.

Go ahead, make your point.

A lot of the guys, especially top guys who don't really play a lot in the preseason, okay.

Ocho, is it because they take all the rips and snaps in practice and they don't want to overload them into the game?

No, they don't.

Like,

we don't.

We normally break it down, Joe.

We normally have 50 to 60 plays practices scripted.

And of those 10 plays, so we go, I don't know how y'all did, Ocho, but we did 10 plays.

The starters would probably take six to seven of those snaps.

Now, maybe there's a maybe

a repeat, something didn't go well, and Mike would say, okay, I want to see that again with the starters.

But you're going to take at least seven, the starters are going to take at least, at bare minimum, seven of those reps.

And then the other three will get divided up.

And okay, fine.

But so you're going to get the lion's share of the rep.

The reason why it's different, Ocho, is because you got to realize, come game time, your pads are taped down.

Now they feel tighter.

A lot of guys got all their pads in their pants.

They're going to feel tighter.

So I needed to get accustomed to that.

Because in practice, ain't nobody taping no jerseys?

No.

We taping our jerseys down.

I mean, come game time, we take, hey, them things tight.

Tight, tight.

look.

And

y'all know the fans, they're ready to see it.

I wanted to see Pennis get out there a little bit and spin it, you know, at least for a quarter, Uncan Ocho.

But, you know, I know he got some high-power weapons.

He's talked a lot, you know, in this past week about how high-powered they are offensively and what he expects out of that Falcons core with that wide receiver core that he has.

And

I think a lot is going to determine on how quick he can pick up on things and

how soon can he adapt to being like one of the top quarterbacks in this league?

All I know is this.

If I'm going big game hunting, the first time I fire my weapon, ain't going to want to see that big game.

I'm going to get some shots off her.

Yeah.

I know y'all don't hunt, so excuse me, but I'm just trying to give you the analogy.

You understand what I'm saying.

If I'm going big game hunting, the first time

I fire that shot, it's not going to see when I'm looking at something.

I'm going to make sure this thing is capable capable of firing.

In case you have to make some adjustments.

Exactly, exactly.

Maybe, maybe my aim,

maybe there's some adjustments that I need to make, but I'm not going into the game without having seen these guys do something.

OTAs and mini camps and training camps and joint practices, all that's fine and good.

And rhythm and time.

That ain't the game.

That ain't the game.

Even joint practices are different than the actual game.

Your mindset is different than the actual game.

And so that's, and like I said, I think my last year, Mike said, hey, you're not going,

but I want you to come in, get some work.

So I came in, got my 15, 21, 10s.

He said, hey, just warm up.

Hey, get your good workout in.

And that's it for the evening because I want to take a look at these other guys and see what I got.

I already know what I got with you, 84.

Okay, cool.

But, oh joe i hadn't played three games hell i played the first game the second game the third game so what the hell is he looking for in the fourth game that i haven't done in the first three that he needed to see in game in game four so i i get that but these guys ocho they start they don't play game one they don't play game two i'm like and some of them don't play

the the preseason is a lot shorter nowadays right

Yeah, it's only three games.

And even in the NBA, it's a lot shorter.

We used to play at least 10 games.

So I think it's a lot shorter, like five or six games now.

So,

yeah, man,

these guys waiting, man, that rhythm and time, Ocho, you can't substitute that, bro.

You can't substitute them game reps, man.

You can't substitute that.

You can go and practice and run as many drills as you want.

It just don't add up.

Nah.

No, sir.

Yeah, but

that's the difference now, Ocho.

That's not what we have.

Ocho, we might have been able to get a cup squeeze a couple of more years, Ocho.

I took some hits in preseason.

Like this?

Hey,

I played 14 years.

I played in the preseason every year at least three to four games.

Hell, Ocho, by you bulljab and that's two seasons.

I could have gotten 16.

No, I'm good.

Why not?

I was good.

But

I like what I saw with Cam Ward.

I think he's going to be fine as long as they can protect him.

I like the receivers, but they're going to have, you know, sometimes you got to make tough catches for your quarterback.

Sometimes you got to help him out.

You ask the quarterback to help you out.

Like, I would always say, John, just protect me.

I'm going to make an attempt, even when I'm going over the middle.

Give me an opportunity because I want to take the shot in my back, not in my face.

Because if worst come to worst, oh, I'm going to jump like this here, over the middle, and take that shot in the back.

I ain't really trying to do that like this here.

Most definitely.

So I'll take the shot in the back, Joe.

I ain't trying to get that face on.

Kind of like what.

You remember what Antoine Bolden got hit.

Remember that shot he took it down and he came back.

You don't want that shot in the face.

You want that shot in the back.

So you always tell your quarterback to protect you.

Oh, Joe, Eagles.

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I think there's one who's pretty obvious.

One guy didn't draft that's going to the Hall of Fame.

The mistakes kill me.

It made me think, why are we picking certain guys?

But if we don't make that mistake like that, we probably don't play in two Super Bowls in the last three years.

Don't overthink things.

When you're staring at a good player, just take them.

Not drafting JJ still haunts him to this day.

Yes.

Because think about who you took.

Look, the guy that he took, I played with his father, Monte Rager.

Jalen Rager is the son.

He got in awe of all the jumping high and running fast, and he overlooked the production that JJ Jetta gave him on the field.

I asked Ozzy Newsom, who's one of the best GMs, to do it, drafted Jonathan.

His first two players he ever selected was Jonathan Ogden and Ray Lewis.

He selected Suggs.

He selected Lamar Jackson.

He selected Ed Reed.

We know what he's been able to do.

do and I asked him say Ozzie

Suggs rocho he said suggests ran 485 with tights and track spikes I said well why the hell you take a man that run 485 he said Shannon somebody got 23 sacks I saw

somebody could bend the edge I don't need him to run 40 yards I just need to run 10

And he can get off the ball.

So I believe, he said,

I'll never forget this.

He said, I believe what my eyes tell me.

He says, yes, when I'm watching film and a guy looks fast, he looks explosive, he looks strong.

Hopefully he comes to the combine.

Hopefully he tests well.

But if he doesn't, I base most of what I judging on, but what I see on tape.

I'm going to trust my eyes.

Howie didn't trust his eyes.

He got enamored by, oh, 4-3, 4-sub, 4-4.

He got enamored by 40-plus inch vertical.

He got enamored by things that doesn't necessarily equate to being a great, because if that was the case, hell, I'll just go get me a black guy.

Do you see when Noah Lyles is warming up?

Did you see how high he jumps up in the damn air?

His feet, his heels are at the height of somebody's head.

So that lets you know, first of all, if a guy that fast, you know, he's explosive.

Look at Tyreek.

You say Tyreek did them backfill.

You say, you say, um, you got to see this joke at present.

Yes, you can tell he's explosive.

Go ahead.

What you want to say, but what you think about how he said, admitting that he made a mistake, not doing that.

You know, that happens.

That happens.

Obviously, it's the eye test when it comes to scouts, GMs, coaches,

and personnel in general.

Based off the eye test and not looking at numbers, you look at Justin Jefferson and you look at Jalen Rager and you'll pick Jalen Rager based on what you see when it comes to the aesthetics.

of the position in itself.

So I can understand where he calls it, he calls it a mistake.

Actually, it's not a mistake because let's say you did go get Jettis, jettis you might not have the super bowl that you have

you know you might not you know it's things things would have been different so everything went exactly how it was supposed to have supposed to go actually but um i'm i'm i'm upset i'm

well he stumbled into it because guess what the next year devontae smith came out and he was able to trade down to get devontae smith and then a couple years later you traded aj brown

so you got your big two It did work itself out.

I was kind of upset.

I really wanted.

I really wanted Brother Jalen Rager to

be great at the position because he had all the intangibles to be just that.

And I think one of the things with him is mentally, mentally, I think he had lost his confidence at some point and he just wasn't able to regain it back because he has all the potential in the world to be one of the best in the league.

He just wasn't able to put it all together.

Hey, Oncan, Ocho.

Do you think they put too much emphasis on like

the testing, the combine

when it comes to football meaning because there are some guys who will not test well when it comes to combine agility quickness vertical right but when you put them in between the lines it's a big

lights come on they just know how to play bro you know what i mean that's for basketball and football but i see that i see that in a lot of guys uh uh this year obviously from watching shadura you know uh i know i know we talk about him a lot but he looks like one of those type of guys you know what i mean when you you get him in between the lines, he just knows how to play, bro.

You know what I mean?

Yeah, hell no.

He probably ain't going to test well in no combine and no 40 or no vertical leap or none of that.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Somebody goes to the combine.

They might not be.

We just had Taryn Armstead.

He goes to the combine to run 4-6.

Now people looking at him.

You get a guy goes there and they might not be hurt or he might be a low.

Go run 4-3.

Because I can can teach you everything else.

I can teach you to catch.

I can teach you to backpedal.

I can teach you to drop.

I can't teach you how to run fast.

Either you got that in you or you don't.

But also, also, it's a gift and a curse, being able to run that goddamn fast and them believing you becoming a project coming to the NFL.

Well, we can teach you all the intangibles, you know, to become a great player, whatever position you do play.

Sometimes it's hard.

Sometimes it's too late.

Because if you're already in the NFL and you've been able to get by, you've been able to get by without the technique all this time.

Yeah.

Well, if you got the technique at the next level, you're going to get exposed anyway, no matter how goddamn fast you are.

Everybody run 4-3 at the skill position.

Damn here.

Everybody.

Even the people that run 4-5 or run 4-6, that play receiver, whatnot,

they know how to manipulate all those that are fast to be able to get open and create separation.

So speed is just an ad.

It's like it's like having a car, Unk, and you're throwing rims on there.

And once you put the rims on it, okay, that's the speed in general.

It's great to have, but you don't necessarily need it to be successful at what you do you gotta know when to use let me ask you a question yeah yeah

have you ever heard anybody say size kill no have you ever heard somebody say uh uh uh uh strength kills what do they say kill ocho yeah speed yeah hold on speed i can't teach it they say well he taught no no no no no no

i can teach you technique to make you faster than what you are, but that's in you.

If you think somebody like got that, you same boat was always fast,

it was always in him.

He just found somebody to get it out of him.

So now, Ocho, you look at it, we look at guys, and it's like, man,

what does everybody say?

I just, ain't nobody saying I want to do 24 reps.

Ain't nobody said I want to do 40 inch vertical.

Everybody say I want to run, I want to run 4-3.

I want to run 4-2

because that's what's going to grab the attention.

When Chris Johnson ran that 4-2-4,

yeah,

yeah.

But John Ross got drafted in the first round because he ran 4-2-2.

He couldn't stay healthy in college.

So, if you can't, oh, if you can't stay healthy in college, what makes you think you're going to be able to stay healthy in the NFL?

Xavier Worthy,

he goes to run 4-2-1, Ocho.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Moving.

Hey, I got a question.

And excuse me if I'm mommy, Joe.

Hey, when you watch Xavier Worthy, despite his 40 time,

he doesn't look as explosive when he opened up.

It's Tyreek.

It does not.

It's like right now, he gone.

But Xavier Worthy ran a faster combine time, but he doesn't look.

that fast until he gets going.

It's like

nah,

he's a build-up guy you know some some cars ojo you just

like an electric versus gas like if you if anybody out there to have an electric car you know you step on it it doesn't require that spark yeah

yeah yeah so i watch

you look at you look at tyreek okay okay tyree look when you watch tyreek run when you watch the very first time i say damn he look i say maybe it's maybe

i say but some people just look fast you know what i'm saying oh joe we see him and it is one thing to like to see a person up close and personal, but to watch somebody from the television and say, damn, he looks fast.

Tyreek looks explosive.

You could tell, but you could tell the way he built.

Look at how compact he is.

Look at the muscle, the musculature.

You could tell the way he walked.

Oh, yeah.

You can look at certain guys.

Oh, he could do a backflip.

Oh,

he could do certain things.

That's how Tyreek looks.

Tyreek looks like that.

xavier word is fast but you got to realize xavier word is what 160 tyreek like 190.

really you think so

yeah

he lost he lost weight he lost he remember he said he dropped weight so he might be what 180 180 185.

he might even get up but xavier worthy like 165

you know who xavier worthy might remind me of

the same type of running style they have the same gait too and it look like they're not running until somebody's trying to catch them or the ball is in the air that goddamn ted in

yeah

yes yes

yeah yes

you remind your guy uh i don't know if you remember him oh joe james jettison yeah from the raiders james from the raiders yeah

james jett was an alternate on the four by on the four by one that won the gold medal in 92 at the olympics

lord have mercy

Because you know, the Raiders always been a namble with the same.

They've always had guys that can run fast.

They had Willie Gaunt, who they had Sam Gratty, who won the silver medal in the Olympics, was on the 4x4 in 80

Dada.

They had Swervin Mervin Fernandez.

They've always had guys that could fly at that position.

You remember when they drafted Darius Hayward Bay, Ocho, because he ran 4-3-2.

Now, catching the football was a problem.

Running fast was not a problem.

Okay, look, because you can have all that speed, but if you don't know how to to use it and get open hell, this is useful.

Yeah, man.

It is.

And I tell people, man, you're not that fast.

I say, all speed do is get you to the safety faster to get knocked out.

This 4-5, 4-6 is plenty fast enough.

All you do to get to that safety, so you drop the ham on you.

But look, you're going to make mistakes, but think about what you've done.

You drafted Jalen Hurts.

You drafted Jalen Carter.

You drafted Jordan Davis.

You draw Cooper DeJohn.

You drafted Landon Dickinson.

Look at the guy.

You found Jordan La Lotta.

Look at the guy.

Damn.

Howie, what you want to be?

Howie, the baseball player that mad that he struck out, he done got three home runs have a double.

He straight out of last plate appearance.

He like, damn, I messed up.

Bro,

Howie.

Bro, you that.

Devontae Smith.

Listen, AJ.

Look at the picks that he's got, nocho, since he got that listening.

Listen, he's playing humble.

Obviously, I don't think Howie even understands.

Listen, I'm not a part of

NFL offices or management or GMs or people in positions of power.

But if anything, what Howie and

Jeffrey Lurie have done the past, what, five, six years?

Hell, they the goddamn blueprint on how to operate and build a winning team.

Yep.

I mean, to me, look at the defense.

Hell, look at the offense.

So if I'm in the NFL and I'm an executive of some sort, hey, we need to piggyback and steal what they're doing over here.

It's a copycat league anyway.

Absolutely.

On the field, people watching film and stealing stuff that works the previous week on the opponent that you're playing.

Hell, they might as well do the same thing.

It's easier to say than done.

You don't think, hey, man, I could do that.

I might as well cross over the country, but you're not Beyonce.

Man, you see what Michael, you're not Michael.

You not Prince.

You not Usher.

So it's easy to say this is what you should do,

but you're not one of them to be able to do it.

It's easy to say, man, you see what Howie doing, but you ain't got Howie's eye.

You don't know what Howie's looking for when he looks for a particular player.

Yeah, it's easy to say, man, look at Ozzie.

How many Hall of Famers did he draft?

Jonathan Ogden and Ray Lewis on the all 70th,

the 100th anniversary team.

And Reed also.

So we got three guys that's on the 100th anniversary team.

Hey, what do you think?

Three guys, first battle Hall of Famer.

Suggs is going to be in the Hall of Fame.

Lamar Jackson is going to be in the Hall of Fame.

The funny thing when I think about it, Joe, is Joe just said it clear as day earlier.

When the lights are on, what do they look like in between those lines on the grass?

That's a lot of film on everybody before you draft him.

Yeah, goddamn, it's common sense.

I don't care what you ran the 40 in.

Let's say you did run a slow time.

How am I going to knock you when I know what I'm getting when it's time to play?

the actual game of football.

The game of football isn't ran.

It's not, it's not, it's not played in a straight line anyway.

This ain't track, huh?

So having speed is just another great factor to add to what you can do

but if you don't

jerry rice might be the slowest receiver in the hall ocho

jerry rice might be the slowest receiver in the hall

technical sound right rampo six he was technically sound but on he had he he had something we call football speed football speed is the difference And we know Emmett might be the slowest running back.

He got the most rushing yard.

Yeah.

So when you look at it, we do.

We put a lot of emphasis on speed, Ocho.

But at the end of the day, can you play the game of football?

Listen, this ain't Olympics.

Hey, we got Olympians.

We're going to let Noah Lyves.

We're going to let Kenny Moneri.

We're going to let Rye.

We're going to let Dolphin have all that.

Can you play football?

Because at the end of the day, we play a game called football.

And it's not in a straight line.

You're going to have to move.

You're going to have to be.

You're going to have to react.

And the number one thing, you can't be afraid.

Now, look, there's a certain level.

It's hard to say a player is soft because it takes a certain type of crazy.

It takes a certain type of person to play the game.

Well, not anymore.

Not anymore.

Now, doing your era, doing my area, doing my era, it takes a certain level of crazy.

The way the game is now, where it's favored and it's handicapped the defense, man, you got players out there catching with one hand, man.

In the middle.

That's why you see all of them going across the middle.

Hey, and take it selfie.

You got guys in there talking like,

hey, the game.

Boy, did a buff.

Boy, Joe back in them 2000s, boy.

But

in them early 2000s,

going across that middle?

Alligator arms.

Man, listen.

If that, man.

I don't want no part of that.

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Oh, Joe, the top 10 highest-paid NFL players have a combined zero Super Bowl wins.

Number one, Dak Prescott at $60 million.

We got four players tied at number two.

Josh Allen, Jordan Love, Joe Burrow, Trevor Lawrence at $55 million.

We got Tua at $53.1 million.

We got two tied at number seven.

at $53 million.

That's Jerry Goff and Brock Purdy.

And we got Justin Herbert at number nine at 52.5 and Lamar Jackson at a ripe 52.5.

What Mahomes at?

Now,

Mahone ain't making that much money.

He want to try to keep a team together.

He realized, look, Mahone's supposed to have to be making, first of all, when they redid Mike Mahone's contract after that year, he threw, what, 50 touchdowns with 5,000 yards?

He was supposed to be making $60 million way back then.

He chose not to take that much, though.

That's smart.

That's smart.

That's the tarp.

He realized, like, man,

I'm winning at such an early age.

If I want any chance to catch Tom or be thought of in that conversation, I'm going to have to try to keep this thing together as long as I possibly can.

And that's what he's been able to do.

Plus, they go to him every year and basically like

give him his money on the side.

Say that.

And then guess what?

After this season, they'll come back to the table again and

give him more money.

But

anybody,

are you surprised by that?

Dak's never been to the Super Bowl.

Neither is Josh Allen.

Neither is Jordan Love.

Joe has been once.

Trevor Lawrence hasn't even won a playoff game.

Tour's never been.

Jerry Goff went, but he went with the Rams.

Purdy went,

but he lost.

Herbert Nor Lamar has won.

That's why these teams try to take advantage of having good quarterbacks at a young age.

to where you're able to fill out the roster.

You're trying to get him on his monkey contract.

You look how

Jaden Daniels is over in Washington.

Yes, you know what I mean.

So yeah,

you get you a young, vibrant quarterback who can kind of lead you and you can kind of ride that wave, yeah, and make sure he still has weapons around him and keep the defense solid.

Because

they take up a lot of the cap, man.

This, this is a, this is a, oh, yeah.

Well, that's what happened with Mahomes.

But see, what happened with Jordan Love is that he had to wait two years.

He waited a couple years, OJo.

And so now when he plays well,

it's time to pay him.

So you missed a couple of those years that you could have got, but you got to pay him.

Mahomes, remember, Mahomes sought out his rookie his first year because they had Allen Smith.

Okay, that's one year.

Okay, the next year he goes, they go to the AFC championship game.

He wins the MVP, 50 touchdowns, 5,000 yards.

The next year they come back, they win the Super Bowl.

Uh-oh.

Damn.

He didn't hit him over the head like he could have.

He's like, I need to keep Kelsey.

I need to keep Chris Jones.

I need to keep some of these guys in order for us to have a chance to repeat to get back.

And so that's what he's been able to do.

I don't begrudge all of these guys.

It's not my job.

I'm not a capologist.

You told me to play.

I'm going to play.

Shut up and play.

Okay.

So don't ask me to come down here to help your eyes with the cap because you told me to shut up and play.

So I'm going to play.

Shut up, go back upstairs and figure it out.

And the funny thing about everybody on that list, they give their team the best chance to win.

They give their team the best chance to win despite them not having success or having the Super Bowls that that they need.

But without them, what would their team be?

Without those quarterbacks and the team that they play for, whether it be Tua, who hasn't been there, whether it be Trevor, was Trevor Lawrence on there?

Yeah, Trevor Lawrence.

Time for second at 55.

Or Justin Herbert, what would their teams be without them?

I know they command such a high

pay price or

whatever you want to call it.

but they still give their teams the best chance to win which is why they're paid what they are even though they haven't won a Super Bowl, let alone some haven't even been to the playoffs yet.

Everybody ain't gonna win no Super Bowl.

It's hard.

It's hard.

It's not,

look, and people get upset, Joe.

If everybody won a championship, what's the fun in that?

What's the value if everybody has it?

There's a reason why there are certain

zip codes.

There are certain things that everybody shouldn't have access to.

Or

what's the point in it?

what's the point, Ocho, if everybody won a Super Bowl?

So, what's the value of that?

What's the Joe?

If everybody wants an NBA championship, what's the value of that?

If everybody got a rig, everybody's like, oh, yeah, he's a great player, you can win one.

Absolutely.

But, but that, I mean,

it's the majority of the teams going to a season, okay, Ocho, thinking they really got a real chance of winning, though.

I said the majority.

I didn't say

they say they are.

I said the majority.

It's a few.

It's a few.

Ocho, what you think?

By 18?

Maybe not even 6'8.

That's too many.

Maybe

6.

16s.

I'm talking about legitimate.

Every single season,

no matter what, come hella high water.

They actually have a chance to go to the Super Bowl.

Ravens.

Kansas City.

Chiefs.

Bills.

Packers now with their play.

I said, did I mention Ravens?

Eagles?

Ravens.

Yep.

Eagles.

Yep.

Bengals, simply because of the offense.

Now, I'm not sure what that defense is going to do.

They can get to the playoffs if they already know what they need to do.

It got to be one more.

Detroit.

Okay, you might have been eight because I got to throw the Rams in there as well.

I mean,

the question is.

Fourth quarter.

Six minutes are left in the ball game.

Your quarterback.

Can you count on him?

Now, because, okay, you said, okay,

you named a bunch of teams.

But now, come fourth quarter.

Now, six minutes are left in the ball game.

How much do you trust your quarterback?

Yeah.

Now,

Joe, that's now you got clutch situation.

The last five minutes.

Score within five.

Now,

who can we count on?

Yeah,

it ain't but a few.

It ain't but a few.

Quarterbacks.

Because at that point, Tybojo, ain't nobody telling you nobody, man.

Man, I make 60 million.

I make 55 million.

You ain't thinking about none of that.

When you're on the other field, I can honestly say, I don't know how you guys, but I can honestly say, I ain't never thought about how much I was making when I was on the field.

For what?

And a matter of fact, if you thought like that, you probably wouldn't have making that kind of money because you're focusing in the wrong place anyway.

Thank you.

Right.

But I have thought about some other guys would have feel bigger that kind of button up like how?

Yeah.

How?

How about here beat you like a drug?

We need to switch salaries.

And it's so funny.

But it's guys, it's guys who think like that, though.

You know, they come out and like, dang, dude, making this amount of money.

Oh, yeah, I got to come out and put it and do a job on him, you know, just to show that, you know, I'm as equal or better better than him, right?

Yeah,

and the funny thing about it, too,

it also goes to say all the teams that are always in contention every year.

You notice every last one of those teams have a quarterback with

oh, yeah, without in that top 10, not in today's game.

You know, we had this conversation, oh Joe, about a week or two ago, and you say, uh, uh, you ain't got no chance, but y'all won the Super Bowl with Trent Dilfer.

They don't play by the same rules,

yeah.

They're not gonna let y'all do, They're not going to let a defense do what the Ravens defense did back then.

I'm talking about in today.

I'm talking about in today's game, the way you can't punish the receiver, you can't punish the quarterback.

It'd be a flag on every play.

And, you know, somebody had the nerve to do too today, huh?

It's been a debate going on who is better, the 2000 Raven defense or the Legion of Boom.

I mean, man, what, what, was y'all, but was y'all just born?

And

what are you talking about?

Okay, I just want to know who's debating.

That's that.

That's what I answered.

I answered, there is no debate.

Raven, what do we do?

We talk about one of the best defenses of all time.

Legion of

the history.

In the history, in the 100-year history.

Legion of Boone was good.

They were nice, man.

They was nice.

Yeah.

Come on, man.

Come on, man.

Don't

Ravens group was just a little different.

What?

There was no weakness.

There are very few defenses that you're going to face that has no weakness on all three levels.

There was no weakness.

You couldn't run the, you weren't running the ball.

And they didn't blitz.

So they're coming to get you with four.

I guess it's the blueprint.

They're coming to get you with four.

Tell Joe how many,

tell, tell Joe the stat line against the Giants and the Super Bowl.

All the putt, putt,

interception.

Punt, put, putt, interception, game over.

Yeah.

They had less than 200 yards of total offense.

In a three-hour game over.

It wasn't even close, Joe.

I know people at home didn't like it because it was like three plays, put,

four plays, put,

five-plays, pick.

Oh, they went.

Game a lot different now.

No, that was a.

Yes, yes.

That was a, that's a transcendent.

That's a historically great defense.

When you go back and look at the numbers, just on the numbers,

they didn't give up 190 points the entire season.

That's crazy.

Hey, Joe, you couldn't replicate.

If you was on the video game playing Madden, you couldn't replicate.

Here, the Giants.

The Giants' first five possessions, punt,

excuse me, six possessions, five plays,

Punt.

One play.

Punt.

That's no.

Oh, no, no, that's yards.

That's yards.

Let me take that back.

Let me take that.

Okay, three plays, punt.

Three plays, punt.

Five plays, punt.

Three plays, punt.

Three plays, punt.

Three plays punt.

Two plays pick.

Nine plays punt.

Three plays interception.

Five plays interception.

Three plays punt.

One play interception.

Then they read the kickback.

Then they went three plays for no yards, punt.

Three plays minus four yards, punt.

Zero plays.

They fumble.

They punted on three plays and then they ended the game.

Them boys were stingy, wasn't it?

Huh?

So they

three, six.

Oh, yeah, they was, it was.

You was on this team, right?

So what was that?

Yes, that was that was my first practice.

What was practice like?

What was practice like against the defense?

What you mean was practice like

that's what it looked like.

What it looked like we did, that's what it looked like

Unless somebody blew it aside and I was able to sneak down the middle of something.

It wasn't no score going on, man.

Hell no.

Hell no.

If you told somebody that that didn't know football, they wouldn't even believe

that was a real game.

Hey, well, Unc, you got me in tears, boy, with a goddamn stat line.

Hell no.

They put it 11 times.

They threw four picks and had a fumble.

Hold on.

I know them boys used to be talking so much trash, probably doing games and pranks.

Oh, but,

huh?

Yes.

Oh, yeah.

I was like, hey, they gave up 10 points a game.

Hey, Uncle.

And Joe, you're probably, give me an analogy.

Give me this in basketball terms.

I understand it in football terms.

Give it to me in basketball terms.

Something relevant or equal to that domination in that game.

Man, I will have to give it.

I don't know what Unk is thinking, but I would have to give it to the Detroit Pistons when they played the Lakers, the Kobe and Shaq Lakers.

What was that?

That's 0-4?

0-4?

I did not see Detroit competing, man.

Detroit handled them boys, Ocho.

You hear me?

Wait, they swept them?

No, they ain't sweep them.

They ain't sweep them.

Get them a sweep.

Did they win one game, Unc?

They did.

Remember, Kobe hit that three to six in the overtime, and they ended up winning an overtime.

They lost game one.

They won game two when Kobe hit the three to six.

They were with that home court advantage, Ocho, man.

Them boys, hey, hey, that was a tough team, man.

With Ben Wallace anchoring their defense in the middle.

Yeah, yeah.

And they had she crazy ass, too.

She, Tayshawn, Prince, Rip Hamilton, Chauncey Bills.

Like, they played defensively.

They had individuals who can move their feet and play.

Like, Tayshawn was a, he was what you would call a defensive stopper.

Ben Wallace is what you would call a defensive stopper.

But collectively as a team,

man, they was on a stream.

They were in sync.

Like, you know, they understood their assignment.

You know what I mean?

Like,

you weren't going to get no easy buggers against them dudes, man.

None.

Man.

Man.

188 points in 20 games.

That's what the Ravens gave.

Y'all just had to get something on the board, huh?

If offense gets something on the board, are you good?

Yeah.

we got we hey if we got up on y'all seven nothing ten nothing and we didn't turn it over you done

it was over wait oh i'm confused

the lakers lakers with shaq and kobe

yes man yeah they beat the brakes off shaq and kobe ojo want nothing they could do on your but that was that was that's what like when shaq and kobe was at there they were they were like they was ready to be done but they were still they was because kobe had apex though um they was they was oh yeah yeah yeah yeah but you know Shaq, Shaq, you know, wanted to get paid.

Dr.

Buss was ready to turn it over to Kobe.

Kobe had the thing, had he had what he had going on.

Dr.

Buzz, like, you know what?

I'm done with it.

They ended up trading Shaq to Miami.

Oh,

right after they lost.

And, you know, Ocho, they had already won.

I think they had won three, three prior to that.

And Detroit was just no, yeah, they won 99, 2000, 2001.

The Spurs won

02.

They lost to 03

to, that's what, you know, 04.

So you telling me if Kobe and Shaq actually stuck together, they could have probably won more than three?

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, probably.

They stayed on the same page.

I think so.

Yeah.

You weren't stopping them too, man.

But you got to understand.

You had, it was like, had they been like Kobe, had they been like Magic and Kareem

didn't really care who got the credit and who team it was?

Yes, they probably, they probably, Shaq probably, obviously, rest his soul, Kobe, would tell you.

They probably should have won like at least five, maybe six.

Damn.

Yeah, they were that good.

Because it's the perfect situation.

It's a guard and a B.

But Kobe weren't taking no bags.

You had.

That's the thing.

See, Magic, because you got to understand, Magic came in as a 20-year-old.

old kareem won the mvp that season

magic was the number one overall pick

magic's finals mvp

cap what you need what you want

it was pat riley went the magic later in his career and say hey he called magic buck young buck he said buck i need to i need you to score more You know what Magic asked him?

You talked to Cap about that?

You cleared that with Cap.

Yeah, I talked to him.

Okay.

Say no more.

Say, hey,

Kobe, whatever.

This is what you're going to get right here.

Kobe, Kobe, mindset was Kobe's an assassin.

Kobe is a cold-blooded killer.

It ain't nothing.

Hey, well, we just ain't going to win there.

Because I'm going to do what I'm going to get.

I'm going to get it.

But

that's what you have to have happen is that you have to have guys willing to sacrifice.

I don't care.

I don't care who team it is, whoever gets the credit, they get the credit.

Blah, blah, blah.

It's like the Patriots.

You're probably never going to see that again, Ocho.

Not 20 years.

You got 20 years of dominance.

You got 20 years, nine Super Bowl appearances, six wins.

Let that sink in.

So basically, every other year, Ocho, they damn near in the Super Bowl.

Just think about it.

If there is no Archie and Olivia Manning, how many Super Bowls does Brady have?

Peyton beat him three times in the AMC championship game.

Eli beat him twice in the Super Bowl.

That man might have 10, 12 rings.

That's crazy, bro.

Think about it.

That's crazy.

So,

Ocho, Terry McLaurin has been around the the team for meetings and off-field activities, but offensive coordinator Cliff Kingsbury said time on tasks together on the grass is really the only way to continue to build.

And that makes it about time for on-field work to start.

I don't know exactly how much you can get out of that.

I think we're kind of at the point where you need to start getting those guys when they're available out there and gelling to see where we are as an offense.

Now,

you know, Terry McLordon has he and his representative has their number.

I believe the commanders have a number that they're probably willing to go to.

It is,

I don't believe they are.

Damn.

What's the number though?

Is it disrespectful?

I mean, I saw some reports.

They say

28 to 30.

And he wants to be DK.

He wants to be north to 33.

We could do 30.

We could do 30.

We could do 30.

Hey, so, so, Mark, Ojo, what's this going to do with the young boy

with his

top receiving weapon?

What this is going to do for him, man?

We need him out there.

And that's what Cliff is saying.

We need to get jelly.

All this, what we can be, we need guys on the field.

We don't even have him on the field, let alone not play it in the preseason.

He's not even on the field.

No practicing at all.

No, nothing.

Him and Mike are in the same boat.

Hell, Trey Henderson, too.

Yep.

Yeah, I think

those are the unfortunates, man.

Those are the unfortunates of professional sports, obviously football, because it's so glaring.

You know what I mean?

Like, you know,

you know, Daniels is definitely going to

need him.

Oh, yeah.

To be successful.

So

I don't know, man.

I don't know what these owners be thinking about, man.

I was thinking that, you know, this stuff would get disputed or get settled, you know, before the season started, but we down to what?

One more, one more game?

That's it.

Hold on.

Joe, they do y'all like this too?

What's that?

In the NBA, when it's time to get paid, they like, oh, nah, we don't want to.

Nah, they don't do that.

They don't do that.

It happens, but it don't happen the way football, like, you know, it don't necessarily lingers over to camp.

When Camp started, you already pretty much settled into what you got going.

Now, you could be on your last year, your deal, and want a new contract, and you may not get it, but you ain't gonna be holding out,

right?

Okay, okay.

Oh, they won't do that to you.

Nah, them the boy, them boys ain't gonna be the top players, gonna get the top players getting the max.

I mean, it ain't what, what, what are we doing with Shay?

We're gonna give him the max.

Yokic, like, nah, I ain't ready to sign.

I'll sign next year.

I'm gonna see what y'all gonna do.

You see, Luca, Luca says, you know what?

I'll do three years in 28, I'll be able to get, I'll be able to be the the first $80 million player.

So, I mean, and you see guys, guys getting five years, 125, guys getting five years.

That's like standard rate now, which is 120, 125.

And

Austin Reeves turned down like 15 to 20 million a year.

He's like, I want 30 because he knows he's going to be able to get it.

I want to know what we're doing over here for the Hawks.

I see.

Trey ain't got no new contract.

He going into this season

on this final year of his deal.

Yeah, Trey Young.

They're going to take the Evan?

Yeah, yeah.

I'm surprised by that.

I don't know what they're doing, though, Joe.

I'm sitting back like everybody else.

I'm waiting to see.

Because, I mean, what's a match deal for him?

A max deal for him's got to be similar.

You know, him and Luca was in the same draft class.

They actually got traded for one another.

Yeah, but let me ask you this: Has he been an all-NBA selection?

He should have been.

Man, look, he should have made all of that.

You're gonna look at Trey Young's stats.

You can go past three years, four, five years.

I'm saying

from a point guard standpoint, Arkan Ocho, he makes the guys around him better.

He's led the league and assists.

That goes unnoticed.

I don't know why, but it goes unnoticed so much.

I mean, he does so much for this team.

You know, it just,

it don't make no sense to me.

It's like

if you end up losing Trey, I mean, I don't know what you plan on doing.

I don't know who y'all will get to.

So what I'm saying, like, the star power that he has here and that he brings.

And, you know, I just look forward to the Hawks being, I look forward to the Hawks being a top five team this year.

Uncle Ocho in the Eastern Conference.

Top five?

Yeah.

But hold on.

Wait.

You

who they side out in.

Top five, who?

Top five.

What?

We got,

they got Poor Zingers.

They went and got the kid from Minnesota, Alexander.

Okay, Mikil Alexander.

And then, and

you hope the growth.

And then we have Jalen Johnson back who was injured pretty much all of last year.

And you hope the growth and maturity of the young guys, they catch on at a faster pace.

Dice and Danes.

You know what I mean?

They got some great pieces, man.

It's wide open in the East this year.

Oh, yeah, Ocho.

We got y'all.

We're going to be in front of the heat.

But I believe Detroit's going to be better.

I believe Detroit will be better.

The Knicks are going to be there.

The Celtics, the Celtics, I think they take a step back.

Cleveland, I think Cleveland will be there.

Orlando, Orlando.

The Pacers go take a step back.

No Halley.

No Miles Garrett.

I mean, Miles Turner.

Orlando.

I think they take a step back.

So

you could be right.

You could be right.

Because

we're going to be better than Miami.

We got Miami this year, OJo.

Ooh.

The Heat.

The Heat?

Yeah, we got y'all this year, bro.

Listen, no disrespect to Atlanta.

No disrespect to the Hawks and their players.

Come on, Joe, don't do that.

Them boys ain't them boys ain't talk about nothing, man.

What you mean?

Jordan got.

Nah, you told you said better than the heat.

Yeah,

I tell you.

You're talking about, hold on.

You're talking about Pat Riley, heat, Eric's folks.

You're heat?

All right.

Okay.

You won't, but you won't bet nothing.

Make it light of yourself, brother.

Hey, you're already in the hole.

You're already in the hole now.

We need to get it.

I owe you $100, Joe.

I owe you $100.

like come on

i'm just saying man if i had it put up somewhere i could be drawing some jokes on that little honey you know what i mean matter of fact i give you that honey to work on your wi-fi i got you oh man okay okay all right

oh joe joe the browns will evaluate dylan gabriel's hamstring saturday morning but they are optimistic the rookie will start the preseason game against the eagles per jeremy fowler Gabriel stranged his hamstring on August 2nd and didn't return to full participation in practice until this week.

Joe Flacco, Kenny Pickett, Shador Sanders will not play this week.

Shador was hurt in Wednesday joint practice and could return to practice next week and play in the preseason finale.

What do we expect, Dinojo?

What do we expect to do?

I'm expecting Dylan Gabriel to play.

I ain't trying to hear nothing about no hamstrings and all that.

You ain't that fast.

You're not that explosive anyway.

I need you to get get out there and compete.

I want to see, I want to see what you look like without the green and without the green and gold on.

I want to see what you look like in that brown, when the lights is on, when that pressure is on, you know, especially after what Shador was able to do, you were the third round pick.

I need you to go out there and show me why you were the third round pick.

That's it.

Hey, I wish you nothing but the best, but I want to see it.

I'm with you, Ocho.

I want to see some.

We need to be able to put some on on on film to where we can look at and assess and be like okay

we've seen some bright spots we've seen some not so bright spots but we need to have something we can go off of it's hey look it's mighty funny to me man all these guys having these hamstring injuries you know i i know the hamstring in the back you can't detect that you know i'd have been around guys who done who done played hookie on uh on some of these injuries now

yeah i mean it's a situation where like the mechanics i mean a lot of it might be fatigued.

You might be dehydrated.

Yeah.

Your mechanics might be off.

I mean, the body's

one thing.

Too many players are getting hurt.

Too many players are getting.

You see what I'm talking about?

When we talk about nutrition, we talk about diet and doing all this stuff that really has no bearings or

playing this type of sport.

You see what I mean?

We got Kenny Pickett hamstring.

We got something wrong with Dylan Gabriel with his hamstring.

I'm telling you what these NFL teams need to do.

I'm telling you what they need to do.

What's that?

They need to bring me in, and I have a plan.

I can do everything with a PowerPoint presentation to keep these fellas and stop them from getting hurt.

Okay, um, the game has changed, right?

The NFL is protecting the players now more today than ever.

I played during the era where it was, it was, it was there.

It was a firing squad out there when you're playing football.

I managed to do it for 11 years with no injuries.

None, Zero.

Zilch.

Not a pull,

not a strain, not a nothing.

So obviously, I did something right that I can help these young bulls with that's playing this day's game.

How you hurt in his preseason?

You just got to camp two weeks ago.

Them boys out there working hard, man.

That goes for you, too.

You're oblique?

I don't know.

Where's the goddamn oblique at, Joe?

Where you oblique at?

Hey, that's in your mid, your core.

That's in your throwing motion.

I can can see how he kind of tweaked that.

You can't see that, OJo?

That's a very common injury for a quarter.

Let me very sad, though.

Your side.

Oblique.

I got something for that.

I got something for that.

I can have Shadua back in two days.

You talk about your oblique hurt?

Boy, get you some.

Get you some Vicks vapor rub, right?

Get you some Vicks vapor rub.

Rub it on the area where you hurt at, right?

Get you some candle wax.

Light a candle and let it melt a little bit.

Take the wax, put the wax in on the area.

It's going to sizzle.

It's going to hurt when it first hits you, though.

But that mixture of Vick's vapor rub and that candle wax, candle wax is going to pull all that, all that swelling and everything that hurt.

Please do not attempt to right up out of there.

I'm telling him.

That man didn't even know what Oblique was at, but he got a whole remedy.

But now he got a remedy for it.

I didn't know where it was at, but I know how to cure the area.

Okay.

Okay.

Because it's the strain.

It must be a strain or a pull.

And I got something for that.

Yeah, you got a strain.

I just think the guys, I think the guy, I don't think the guys take enough time off.

These guys trading nearly, they don't get anybody a chance to rest, recover.

They be out there turning up, man, when the football season is over.

I don't know.

Bad them go.

Yeah, they turn up, but they'd be out there training.

Hey, look, bro, take two bus off.

I do.

I want to see these quarterbacks.

I'm going to be honest with y'all.

I want to see them in a little better shape, Anka and Ocho.

Like, you know, I'm

nah.

The worst shape they're in, the better they can throw the football.

Nah, nah.

Why you say that?

You ever see Peyton Maddie with his shirt off?

Yeah, I know, man.

Tom Brady,

we in two different games.

L.

Way, burrito.

These dual quarterbacks nowadays, these dual quarterbacks.

So they gonna need to be in at least shape to be able to do both.

They're in shape, but

from here to waist.

You gotta tighten it up.

They gotta tighten it up.

Nah.

they got to tighten it up, man.

I'm going to get them boys right, man.

I'm going to get them boys.

Nah,

they don't want no tight shoulders.

They don't want no biceps.

They don't want no triceps.

They ain't got no abs.

Hey.

Why is that?

Because they got to be able to throw that ball.

They got to be able to spend that ball.

They can't have no tight shoulders.

It's like a baseball, like a pitcher.

They don't do nothing up about it.

You see, look at pictures.

What pitcher you ever see with abs?

you got to be fluid through there that's why they good at golf yeah

the best who are the who are the best players at golf quarterbacks

baseball players

basketball players because they don't have all this

they're not tight yeah i ain't i i ain't saying they got to be bench pressing 400

squatting 600.

I'm just saying, man, you got to tighten up a little bit.

Oh,

you just gave me an idea, too.

Hey, Joe, you gotta come with us.

Me and Unc finna start a show, like

streaming, right?

Yeah, that's Uncle Ocho, but it'll be the adventures of Uncle Ocho and Joe.

Okay, because hey, hold on, hold on.

Because I like I say, hey, hey, cut me in or cut it out.

All right, yeah, yeah.

Joe can't do nothing.

Y'all, man, Joe,

we're gonna be able to left your ass behind.

Hold on, hold on, Ocho, hold on, hold on.

I get this little, I get this little splint thing took off my leg on the 29th.

I'm out here with the shakers and moving, baby.

I'm outside.

What are we doing?

So we're doing all kind of stuff that

people normally wouldn't be able to see us do.

Fishing, hunting.

Oh, man.

You know, just doing like, you know, crazy stuff.

Like, I'm just, he, I'm just mentioning golf.

Hell, shoot.

I done, I done played golf with Tiger Woods before.

Let me show you my swing real quick.

Hey, hey, I can golf now.

Look at my swing.

Can you see me?

Hey, look at my shoulder.

Yeah, we see you.

Yeah, go ahead.

Look Look how my shoulders, my shoulders are parallel with my feet.

Okay.

Yeah.

This is how I hold my club.

This is how I hold my club like that.

You see it?

All right.

Okay.

I just

checked.

Check my technique out now.

All right.

I'm looking.

Oh, no.

Yeah.

You done broke the wrist at the top.

Your wrist broke at the top.

Just watch.

Watch how it breaks.

Watch my wrist.

Nah, they ain't gonna get it.

No, no, no, no, no.

Nah.

Oh, Joe.

This this bottom, this bottom, it's gotta stay.

It's gotta stay straight.

He got, it's that bottom arm.

That inside forearm gotta stay straight, my brother.

No,

look at your left arm.

Wait, huh?

The left, that's the bottom arm.

You right-handed the golfer.

The left arm needs to stay straight through the motion.

It did.

Hey, yeah, hey, yeah.

Y'all let me know when y'all want to get on the golf course because Ocho is sweet.

I know I got him for sure.

Hey, hey, Joe.

Hey, Joe.

Hey,

I had on one set, and I played 18 holes, right?

I eagled four times.

Hold on, what?

In one day.

You eagled four times.

Yeah, at Augusta.

I was in Georgia.

I was in Georgia.

It was me, Scotty Scheffler, Tiger Wars, and

what was buddy name?

Me, Tiger.

Roy McElroy.

It wasn't Roy.

It wasn't Roy.

It was the other one.

Ocho.

John.

No, no, no, it wasn't John.

I I know John DJ.

It was John Rom.

It was John Rom.

Keegan Bradley.

Now, me, me, and John follow each other on Twitter.

It was John.

Oh, Joe.

Oh,

hey, I'm here.

Hey, I'm a hell of a man.

Joe, you see that guy on the live?

He shot 59 with a double bogey.

What

guy shot 59 with a double

59 with a double bogey?

He went on the birdie 13 of the last 14 holes.

Goodness.

Boy, he liked me.

yeah.

Man, man, can't play long ago.

I can go, bro.

I'll show you my clubs right now.

My clubs right here in the closet.

Hey, listen, I got some clubs, but I don't know why we talk.

My brother, the go while we're talking, though, seriously, man, that poo-poo table and that ping-pong tournament.

Come on,

come on, man.

Oh,

here we go.

Oh,

Ephra Reyes,

that's me.

The magician.

Don't get him started, man.

Don't get him started.

Busy eyes.

Be Minnesota fast.

Beat Willie Basco.

Be Steve Misery.

I'm Ephra Reyes.

And I mean no disrespect.

I love y'all to death, man.

But there are three things in life.

You might be able to beat.

You might be able to outdo me in other things, other sports, you know, things that you guys are more accustomed to.

When it comes to ping-pong,

when it comes to pool, and when it comes to bowling, please stay within your lane.

Man, please.

Stay within your lane.

I already know I'm the best in the house with a shooting.

You don't even got no pool stick with your pool stick.

I got a personal pool stick.

They used to call me, I don't know.

They used to call me sugar cane, man.

What you talking about?

My pool stick looked like a look like a sugar cane.

Dope, I know one thing, boy.

Y'all sure talk a good game, boy.

I'm not talking good game.

I used to be at the pool hall on 54th and 12th Avenue down here in Miami.

Hey, now, for real, we gotta link up for like a little pool tournament.

The pink one.

I'm gonna tell you, I know both of you.

I better know both of y'all, sweet.

I could tell, I could tell.

Hey, hold on, hey, they got it, they got a pool table in Magic City.

All right, now

no, okay, well, we could put one in there because that's where we need to go.

You know, ain't no point in playing pool in there.

I mean, I could call Magic to see, but I don't think, I don't think I call Magic.

Let's put a pool table in there so we can, you know, we can have some food, we can use our peripheral vision, and we can play pool.

No, I need to concentrate.

what we what we play joe what we play we play eight balls playing nine ball play eight ball okay yeah hey

listen because i like you because you know i play nine ball i play five and nine the money balls that's what we do something well five on a five dollars on the five and ten on the nine something boy i'm not gonna play no silly games with y'all okay

oh we boy but tear y'all up some cat ragged

you do not joe you too tall you too tall i know you

that's That's my advantage.

There ain't no advantage.

Do you have your own pool stick?

Yes, sir.

Will you

show it to you?

Mine right here.

I told you what they called me growing up.

They called me sugar cane because my pool stick look like a sugar cane.

This ain't man.

This is not what y'all do, man.

What kind of stick you get?

You got to break yours down, or it's just like one.

I got to break it down.

Mine, mine coming three.

You can break it.

I got, I got what

I break down.

Yeah, mine coming three.

My stick coming three.

That's how I know.

Hey, Chad, this is going to be sweet, Chad.

Hey, yeah, we got, hey, we got to record.

We got to

tweet.

Hey, that's tweet.

But old Miss.

Oh, oh, Efra Red.

Don't play with me, Joe.

Joe, stop playing with me.

Stop playing.

How you want me to do it?

How you want me to do it, Joe?

How you want me to do it?

Yo, that's them $20 sticks from Dick Sporting College.

Joe?

That's that, Dick's sporting girl.

I got a booze upstairs.

That's $20 from Dick's, man.

I'll beat you with a golf filler.

Why you over there bubbling your golf?

I get a broomstick and beat your ass, OJo.

Why are you over there bubbling your golf?

Talk about you gonna beat us.

Nah, man, he can't play, man.

He got that cheap ass $20 dick sporting good pool stick.

Man, come on, man.

Tighten up, man.

I tell you what, I get a better one when you pay me my money.

Ooh, we.

Ooh, we.

Ooh, we.

He said it about 40.

Look at Joe, the lost signal.

Look at you.

Look at Joe.

What?

What happened?

You see

why you over there talk?

See it.

You see, how you over there talking, Joe?

You see how you over there talking?

Oh, that a $20.

You see how you over there talking, Joe?

Hey,

just because you're the pool sticks coming to at Dick's void of goods, they cost $30.

Like, come on, what you think?

No, they don't.

The pool sticks that dick don't cook that the dot.

They're solid cute.

Nah.

Nah.

Nah.

Hey, I get a bruise thing, PDM joke.

Hey, look, I already know.

And you got to call your shots out, too.

You got to call your shots out.

Call that number and the pocket.

Right.

No, absolutely.

Absolutely.

Really?

Absolutely.

God,

y'all know I got on short.

I got on.

Yeah, no.

Y'all just think I have on no shorts.

Come on, Dad.

Damn.

Oh,

y'all just think I'm sitting up in this thing, button ball.

Damn.

I was sitting down.

I got a little

button here.

Hey,

Best of the House, being there for Reyes.

Played 20 games.

He beat me.

He beat me like 13, 7.

When was this?

Probably about 20.

You remember that thing we were talking about, rhythm and timing?

Yeah.

I don't know.

Y'all probably ain't been shooting that much.

You know, I shoot pretty often.

I ain't no dude just off the street.

Ain't never held a pool stick.

Now, I grew up in this thing.

There are three things I don't leave home without:

my credit cards, my car keys, and my pool stick.

It's always in the car.

It's always in the car.

I keep that thing on me.

I keep that thing on me, man.

Don't do that, man.

Y'all don't play.

Y'all just talking about something that you like to do as a hobby.

Come on, man.

Like, I really do this.

Man, look here.

I know I can be.

Look, Ocho is not going to beat me shooting, pool,

but I will.

You not either, Joe.

See,

this is the kind of stuff.

This is the kind of stuff we have to have on stream.

You know, hey, Joe, you know, I cost in that and the Aiden Ross here.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

You know how they stream?

Yeah.

Like, we're going to have one for the older folks.

We don't have nothing.

Nobody's tapped into that space.

So, Joe, we have our own show called the Adventures of Unk, Joe, and Ocho.

And then just us doing all, do us doing all the stuff that grown folk do, like playing dominoes.

Like, I was sitting up here to say, butt ball, man.

Tonk.

Yeah, I can see all that.

I can see all the good stuff.

Hold on.

Oh, you try.

You trying to play two jokes, man.

Come on, nah.

What y'all want to do, man?

Wait, so now I guess you can beat us in tongue, too.

Yes, man.

Yes.

Yes.

Ocho, ocho.

Well, first of all, tonk ain't no team game, ocho.

I always want you to know everybody.

Since we talk about tongue, we might as well add the goddamn dominoes, too, and add uno.

I don't play no dominoes, but I play uno.

I can play checker.

You play checkers.

Well, listen, we have to see your uno rules first because everybody ain't got the same rule when it comes to uno.

We're playing the old school rules.

Mean, I am not playing all this new stuff they be talking about today.

I'm playing the old school rules.

I used to play back in the day.

What's the old school rules?

So you drop, so you drop it down, reverse, you drop it down, skip.

Of course, that's that's draw forward, draw forward.

Listen, if you, if you, if, if you drop a draw two, and I'm supposed to, and I have a draw two, too, I can I can drop that too right on top of you now.

Yeah, yeah, you know, I play the simple, the simple rules, all that new stuff they coming up with, man.

They, they, listen, they gentrifying Uno.

That's what they've done.

They gentrified Uno.

Yeah.

But I know I beat y'all in fools.

That's for sure.

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