Nightcap Hour 1: Unc, Ocho, and Iso Joe react to Titans-Falcons + Howie Roseman speaks on not drafting Justin Jefferson

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Speaker 22 I'm your favorite, Shadow Sharp, my partner and co-host, Liberty City's own, Bingo's Ring of Fame honoree, Madden ratings adjuster, Pro Bowler, all-pro, he's Chad Ocho Cenco Johnson, and

Speaker 22 the third member of the big three, University of Arkansas alum, Little Rock, Arkansas Native. Here he is, ladies and gentlemen, Iso Joe Johnson.
Joe, thanks for having me. Oh, you.
Oh, that's Joe.

Speaker 22 Okay, your Wi-Fi worked her last time.

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Speaker 22 It felt like it was yesterday. Hi, Ocho.
I like, damn.

Speaker 22 Hey, hey, Ocho, we be talking to Joe. Did you Joe do that?

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Speaker 22 cam ward finishes two of seven uh for 42 yards should have had one more completion should have been three of seven at the bare minimum

Speaker 22 um

Speaker 22 but uh what what did what from what you saw

Speaker 22 What did you like about what you saw from Cam Ward?

Speaker 26 A continuation of what he did the first preseason of the game. Obviously, it was only two for seven, but there was a drop of Van Jefferson on that over route that he should have had.

Speaker 26 That was a beautiful throw. I've seen a lot of people in the comments when I mentioned the throw, being that it was overthrown.
I'm like, what do you talk about?

Speaker 22 No, that's a catchable ball.

Speaker 26 For a professional receiver, that's a very catchable ball, and it was a dime. Outside of that,

Speaker 26 a few drops. He had a few drops.
Other than that, it was good. It was good.

Speaker 26 People will look at the stat line and say, it doesn't look the same as opposed to how he did in the first game, but still, he was the same, calm poise and control of everything and and he made good decisions with the ball

Speaker 26 hey i i i agree i agree with you ocho uh my thing when i'm watching is his his his poise and patience in the pocket him not getting rattled and he making the right reads on ocho that's i think that's the biggest key you know i sit back and watch these young guys come into this league this grown man league uh just to see how they adapt and how they are in the pocket whether it's you know cam ward or should i i enjoy watching those guys play man they look like they look like they're in for a pretty good season yeah what i will say too ongoing joe what we what we have to be cautious about is it is preseason these defenses are very very vanilla and the quarterbacks haven't got hit yet i know they're rookie i know they look polished you know based on what we've seen so far but when you get hit upside the head a few times you know and you get the bitch a little bit Will they still be able to have that same calmness, that same relaxance, that same poise under pressure when you've been hit or sacked a couple times.

Speaker 22 You can play fast, but not in a hurry.

Speaker 22 I think the thing is, is that you have more time than you think. And a lot of times when rookies come in,

Speaker 22 they speed themselves up. And it's normally their second year, Joe.
And Ocho, you heard people say this all the time. All of a sudden, the game slowed down for me.

Speaker 22 And that's what you want to have happen. You want the game to slow down.
You don't want the game to speed you up. Play fast, but don't play in a hurry.
I like Cam Ward's poise. I agree with you, Joe.

Speaker 22 I like his poise. I thought he was very deliberate.

Speaker 22 Yeah, he had some very unfortunate situation where the guy dropped the ball. A professional wide receiver.
Got to make that catch. Now, if you're in high school, you don't make that catch.
Okay, fine.

Speaker 22 Bro, you a.

Speaker 22 But as a professional, a guy that's getting paid to catch the football, those are the type of, dog, that's what you pay for.

Speaker 22 That's what you're paying for. You're paying, you know, to make the difficult ones.
I mean, hey, you're going to make the routine. You got to make enough of the routine ones.

Speaker 22 But every once in a while, you got to come down with a, you know, you got to help the quarterback out. He's not going to always be able to hit you between the numbers.

Speaker 22 And so now this is your opportunity to help him out.

Speaker 22 But I like what I saw from Cam Ward. I really did.

Speaker 22 Atlanta fell behind, but, you know, Austin Easton, Eastonstick,

Speaker 22 he came in and threw the ball because, you know. Penix Jr.
didn't play at all.

Speaker 22 That's the only thing, though, Ocho. I was like, damn, they don't let these guys play at all.

Speaker 22 I mean, Ocho, I couldn't even imagine.

Speaker 22 Could you imagine standing on the sideline the first second preseason game ojo and not even dressed you know i'm you know how i am you heard enough stories about how it was

Speaker 26 i'm practicing i'm excuse me not practicing i'm playing in the preseason i don't care

Speaker 26 i i i do not care joe i had i had my coach every preseason game i had i forced coach lewis to call timeouts in the preseason joe

Speaker 26 Just to get me out of the game, man, I need these reps. I need to get acclimated to game speed game speed i don't care if we can practice 100 times joe we could practice 100 times

Speaker 26 it's different

Speaker 26 and i wanted my body i wanted my body get accustomed to that as fast as possible before week one came along right hey listen because you know why oh cho i think go ahead joe go ahead make your point a lot of the guys especially top guys who don't really play a lot in the preseason okay ocho is it because they take all the reps and snaps in practice and they don't want to overload them into the game.

Speaker 26 No, they don't.

Speaker 22 Like,

Speaker 22 we don't.

Speaker 22 We normally break it down, Joe. We normally have 50 to 60 plays practices scripted.
And of those 10 plays, so we go, I don't know how y'all did, Ocho, but we did 10 plays.

Speaker 22 The starters would probably take six to seven of those snaps.

Speaker 22 Now, maybe there's a, maybe it's, maybe a repeat, something didn't go well, and Mike would say, okay, I want to see that again with the starters.

Speaker 22 But you're going to take at least seven, the starters are going to take at least at bare minimum seven of those reps.

Speaker 22 and then the other three will get divided up. And okay, fine.
But so you're going to get the lion's share of the rep.

Speaker 22 The reason why it's different, Ocho, is because you got to realize, come game time, your pads are taped down. Now they feel tighter.

Speaker 22 A lot of guys got all their pads in their pants. They're going to feel tighter.
So I needed to get accustomed to that because in practice, ain't nobody taping no jerseys? No.

Speaker 22 We taping our jerseys down. I mean, come game time, we take them fans tight.

Speaker 22 Tight. Take a look.

Speaker 22 And

Speaker 26 y'all know the fans, they're ready to see it. I wanted to see Pennis get out there a little bit and spin it, you know, at least for a quarter on Can Ocho.

Speaker 26 But, you know, I know he got some high-power weapons.

Speaker 26 He's talked a lot, you know, in this past week about how high-powered they are offensively and what he expects out of that Falcons core with that wide receiver core that he has. And

Speaker 26 I think a lot is going to determine on how quick he can pick up on things and

Speaker 26 how soon can he adapt to being like one of the top quarterbacks in this league

Speaker 22 all i know is this

Speaker 22 if i'm going big game hunting the first time i fire my weapon ain't gonna want to see that big game i'm gonna get some shots off yeah yeah I know y'all don't hunt, so excuse me, but I'm just trying to give you the analogy.

Speaker 22 You understand what I'm saying? If I'm going big game hunting, the first time

Speaker 22 I fire that shot, it's not going to see when I'm looking at something.

Speaker 22 I'm going to make sure this thing is capable of firing.

Speaker 26 In case you have to make some adjustments.

Speaker 22 Exactly, exactly.

Speaker 22 Maybe my aim,

Speaker 22 maybe there's some adjustments that I need to make, but I'm not going into the game without having seen these guys do something.

Speaker 22 OTAs and mini camps and training camps and joint practices, all that's fine and good. And rhythm and time.
That ain't the game.

Speaker 22 that ain't the game even joint practices are different than the actual game

Speaker 22 your mindset is different than the actual game

Speaker 22 and so that's and like i said i think my last year mike said hey you you're not going um but i want you to come in get some work so i came in got my 15 21 10s he said hey Just warm up.

Speaker 22 Hey, get your good workout in. And that's it for the evening because I want to take a look at these other guys and see what I got.
I already know what I got with you 84. Okay, cool.

Speaker 22 But, oh, you're having played three games. Hell, I played the first game, the second game, the third game.

Speaker 22 So, what the hell is he looking for in the fourth game that I haven't done in the first three that he needed to see in game four?

Speaker 22 So, I get that, but these guys, Ocho, they start, they don't play game one, they don't play game two. I'm like, and some of them don't play

Speaker 26 the preseason is a lot shorter nowadays, right?

Speaker 26 Yeah, it's only three games, and and and back, and even in the NBA, it's a lot shorter. We used to play at least 10 games, so I think it's a lot shorter, like five or six games now.

Speaker 26 So, uh, yeah, yeah, man, these these guys wait, man, that rhythm and time and ocho, you can't substitute that, bro.

Speaker 26 You can't substitute them game reps, man. You can't substitute that.
You can go, you can go and practice and run as many drills as you want, it just don't add up.

Speaker 22 Nah,

Speaker 26 no, sir.

Speaker 22 Yeah, but that's that's that's the difference now, Ocho. That's not what we have.
Ocho, we might have been able to get a cup squeeze a couple of more years. Ocho, I took some hits in preseason.

Speaker 22 Like this, man.

Speaker 22 Hey,

Speaker 22 I played 14 years. I played in the preseason every year at least three to four games.
Hell, Ocho, by you bull driving. That's two seasons.

Speaker 22 I could have gotten 16. No, I'm good.

Speaker 22 I was good. But

Speaker 22 I like what I saw with Cam Ward. I think he's going to be fine as long as they can protect him.

Speaker 22 I like the receivers, but they're going to have, you know, sometimes you got to make tough catches for your quarterback. Sometimes you got to help him out.

Speaker 22 You ask the quarterback to help you out. Like, I would always say, John, just protect me.
I'm going to make an attempt, even when I'm going over the middle.

Speaker 22 Give me an opportunity because I want to take the shot in my back, not in my face.

Speaker 22 Because if worst come to worst, Ocho, I'm going to jump like this here, over the middle, and take that shot in the back. I ain't really trying to do that like this here and get that.

Speaker 22 Most definitely.

Speaker 22 So I'll take the shot in the back, Joe. I ain't trying to get that face on.

Speaker 22 Kind of like what you remember when Antoine Bolden got hit. Yeah.
Remember that shot he took it down and he came back. You don't want that shot in the face.
You want that shot in the back.

Speaker 22 So you always tell your quarterback to protect you. Ocho, Eagles.

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Speaker 22 JM Hydro Roseman speaks on the mistake and the regret of not drafting Justin Jefferson. I think there is one who's pretty obvious.
One guy didn't draft that's going to the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 22 The mistakes kill me.

Speaker 22 It made me think, why are we picking certain guys? But if we don't make that mistake like that, we probably don't play in two Super Bowls in the last three years. Don't overthink things.

Speaker 22 When you're staring at a good player, just take them. Not drafting JJ still haunts him to this day.

Speaker 22 Yes.

Speaker 22 Because think about who you took. Look, the guy that he took, I played with his father, Monte Rager.

Speaker 22 Jalen Rager is the son. He got in awe of all the jumping high and running fast, and he overlooked the production that JJ Jetta gave him on the field.

Speaker 22 I asked Ozzy Newsom, who's one of the best GMs, to do it, drafted Jonathan. His first two players he ever selected was Jonathan Ogden and Ray Lewis.

Speaker 22 He selected Suggs, he selected Lamar Jackson, he selected Ed Reed.

Speaker 22 We know what he's been able to do. And I asked him, I said, Ozzy,

Speaker 22 Suggs, Ocho, he said, Suggs ran 485 with tights and track spikes. I said, well, why the hell you take a man that run 485? He said, Shannon, somebody got 23 sacks, I saw.

Speaker 22 Somebody could bend the edge. I don't need him to run 40 yards.
I just need to run 10.

Speaker 22 And he can get off the ball. So I believe, he said,

Speaker 22 I'll never forget this. He said, I believe what my eyes tell me.
He says, yes, when I'm watching film and a guy looks fast, he looks explosive, he looks strong, hopefully he comes to the combine.

Speaker 22 Hopefully he tests well. But if he doesn't, I base most of what I judging on, by what I see on tape.
I'm going to trust my eyes. Howie didn't trust his eyes.
He got enamored by, oh, 4-3, 4-sub, 4-4.

Speaker 22 He got enamored by 40-plus edge vertical. He got enamored by things that doesn't necessarily equate to being a great...
Because if that was the case, hell, I'd just go get get me a black guy

Speaker 22 do you see when when Noah Lyles is warming up did you see how high he jumps up in the damn air

Speaker 22 his feet his heels are at the height of somebody's head so that lets you know first of all for a guy that fast you know he's explosive

Speaker 22 look at Tyreek you say Tyreek did them backfill you say you say um you got to see this joke

Speaker 22 yes you can tell he's explosive

Speaker 22 Go ahead. What you want to say about what you think about how he said, admitting that he made a mistake not driving away.

Speaker 26 You know, that that happens that happens obviously it's the eye test when it comes to scouts gms coaches uh and and personnel in general based off the eye test and not looking at numbers you look at justin jefferson and you look at jalen rager and you'll pick jalen reger based on what you see when it comes to the aesthetics of the position in itself so i can understand where he calls it he calls it a mistake actually it's not a mistake because let's say you did go get jettison you might not have the super bowls that you have

Speaker 26 you know you might not you know things things would have been different so everything went exactly how it was supposed to have supposed to go actually but um i'm i'm i'm upset i'm

Speaker 22 well he stumbled into it because guess what the next year devontae smith came out and he was able to trade down to get devontae smith and then a couple years later you traded aj brown

Speaker 22 so you got your big two It did work itself out.

Speaker 26 I was kind of upset. I really wanted, I really wanted brother Jalen Rager to

Speaker 26 be great at the position because he had all the intangibles to be just that.

Speaker 26 And I think one of the things with him is mentally, mentally, I think he had lost his confidence at some point and he just wasn't able to regain it back because he has all the potential in the world to be one of the best in the league.

Speaker 26 He just wasn't able to put it all together.

Speaker 26 Hey, Ankan, Ocho,

Speaker 26 do you think they put too much emphasis on like

Speaker 26 the testing, the combine?

Speaker 26 When it comes to football meaning, because there are some guys who will not test well when it comes to combine, agility, quickness, vertical. But when you put them in between the lines,

Speaker 26 when the lights come on, they just know how to play, bro. You know what I mean? That's for basketball and football.
But

Speaker 26 I see that in a lot of guys this year, obviously from watching Shadura.

Speaker 26 you know uh i know i know we talk about him a lot but he looks like one of those type of guys you know what i mean when you get him in between the lines he just knows how to play bro you know what i mean yeah hell no he probably ain't gonna test well in no combine and no 40 or no vertical leap or none of that.

Speaker 26 You know what I mean?

Speaker 22 Yeah.

Speaker 26 Yeah. I think

Speaker 22 somebody goes to the combine. They might not be.

Speaker 22 We just had Taryn Armstead.

Speaker 22 He goes to the combine to run 4-6.

Speaker 22 Now people looking at him.

Speaker 22 You get a guy goes there and they might not be hurt or he might be a low. Go run 4-3.

Speaker 22 Because I can teach you everything else. I can teach you to catch.
I can teach you to backpedal. I can teach you to drop.

Speaker 26 I can't teach you how to run fast either you got that in you or you don't but also also it's a gift and a curse being able to run that goddamn fast and them believing you becoming a project coming to the nfl well we can teach you all the intangibles you know to become a great player whatever position you do play sometimes it's hard sometimes it's too late because if you're already in the nfl and you've been able to get by you've been able to get by without the technique all this time yeah well you got the technique at the next level you're gonna you're gonna get exposed anyway no matter how goddamn fast you are

Speaker 26 at that next level everybody run 4-3 at the skill position damn yeah everybody even the the people that run 4-5 or run 4-6 that play receiver whatnot they know how but they know how to manipulate all those that are fast to be able to get open and create separation so speed is just a ad it's like it's like having a car unknown and you're throwing rims on there

Speaker 26 and once you put the rims on okay that that's the speed in general it's great to have but you don't necessarily need it to be successful at what you do you gotta know when to use let me ask you a question

Speaker 22 Have you ever heard anybody say size kill? No.

Speaker 22 Have you ever heard somebody say

Speaker 22 strength kills? What do they say kill, Ocho? Yeah. Speed.
Yeah.

Speaker 22 Hold on. Speed.
I can't teach you that. They say, well, he taught.
No, no, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 22 I can teach you technique to make you faster than what you are, but that's in you.

Speaker 22 If you think somebody like got that, you saying Boat was always fast.

Speaker 22 It was always in him.

Speaker 22 He just found somebody to get it out of him.

Speaker 22 So now, Ocho, you look at it, we look at guys, and it's like, man,

Speaker 22 what does everybody say? I just, ain't nobody said I want to do 24 reps. Ain't nobody said I want to do 40-inch vertical.

Speaker 22 Everybody say, I want to run, I want to run 4-3. I want to run 4-2

Speaker 22 because that's what's going to grab the attention.

Speaker 22 When Chris Johnson ran that 4-2-4.

Speaker 22 Yeah.

Speaker 22 But

Speaker 22 John Ross got drafted in the first round because he ran 4-2-2.

Speaker 22 He couldn't stay healthy in college.

Speaker 22 So if you can't, oh, if you can't stay healthy in college, what makes you think you're going to be able to stay healthy in the NFL?

Speaker 22 Xavier Worthy.

Speaker 22 He goes to run 4-2-1, Ocho.

Speaker 22 Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Moving.

Speaker 22 Hey, I got a question. And excuse me for a moment, Joe.

Speaker 26 Hey, when you watch Xavier Worthy, despite his 40 time,

Speaker 26 he doesn't look as explosive when he opened up.

Speaker 22 It's Tyreek. It does not.

Speaker 26 It's like right now, he gone. But Xavier Worthy ran a faster combine time, but he doesn't look that fast until he gets going.
It's like

Speaker 22 he's a built-up guy. You know, some cars, OJo, you just

Speaker 22 like an electric versus gas like if you if anybody out there to have an electric car you know you step on it it doesn't require that spark yeah yeah yeah yeah so i watch you look at you look at tyreek okay okay tyreek look when you watch tyree run when you watch the very first time i say damn he look i say maybe it's maybe it's

Speaker 22 i say but some people just look fast you know what i'm saying oh joe we see him and it is one thing to like to see a person up close and personal but to watch somebody from the television and say damn he a little fancy person

Speaker 22 tyreek looks explosive you could tell but you could tell the way he built

Speaker 22 look at look at how compact he is look at the muscle the musculature you could tell the way he walked oh yeah you can look at certain guys oh he could do a backflip oh he could yeah he could he could do certain things that's how tyree look tyreek looks like that

Speaker 22 Xavier word is fast but you got to realize Xavier word is what 160 Tyreek, like 190.

Speaker 26 Really? You think so?

Speaker 22 Yeah. Tyreek?

Speaker 22 He lost weight.

Speaker 22 He remember, he said he dropped weight.

Speaker 22 So he might be

Speaker 22 180, 185. He might even get a little fast.
But Xavier Worthy, like 165.

Speaker 26 You know who Xavier Worthy reminded me of?

Speaker 26 They the same type of running style. They have the same gait too.

Speaker 26 And it looks like they're not running until somebody's trying to catch them or the ball is in the air. That goddamn Ted in.

Speaker 26 Yeah, Ted.

Speaker 22 yes, yes,

Speaker 26 yeah, yes,

Speaker 22 you remind your guy. I don't know if you remember him, Ocho, James James.
Yeah, from the Raiders, James Jett. From the Raiders, yeah.

Speaker 22 James Jett was an alternate on the four by four by one that won the gold medal in 92 at the Olympics.

Speaker 22 Lord, have mercy. He can go

Speaker 22 because you know the Raiders always been a namble with the same.

Speaker 22 They've always had guys that can run fast. They had Willie Gaunt, who they had Sam Gratty, who won the silver medal in the Olympics, was on the 4x4 and 80

Speaker 22 Dada.

Speaker 22 They had Swerving Mervyn for Nandanz. They've always had guys that could fly at that position.
You remember when they drafted Darius Hayward Bay, Ocho, because he ran 4-3-2.

Speaker 22 Now, catching the football was a problem.

Speaker 22 Running fast was not a problem.

Speaker 26 Okay, look, because you can have all that speed, but if you don't know how to use it and get open, hell, it's useful.

Speaker 26 Yeah, man.

Speaker 22 It is.

Speaker 22 and i tell people man you're not that fast i say all speed do is get you to the safety faster to get knocked out

Speaker 22 this this this four this 4-5 4-6 is plenty fast enough

Speaker 22 all you're doing to get to that safety so

Speaker 22 you drop the ham on you but look you're gonna make mistakes but think about what you've done you drafted jalen hurts you drafted jalen carter you drafted jordan davis you draw cuba dejon you drafted landon dickerson look at the guy you you found jordan Milada.

Speaker 22 Look at the guy. Damn.
Howie, what you want to be? Howie, the baseball player that mad that he struck out, he done got three home runs and a double. He straight out of last plate appearance.

Speaker 22 He's like, damn, I messed up. Bro,

Speaker 22 Howie,

Speaker 22 bro, you that?

Speaker 22 Devontae Smith.

Speaker 22 Listen, AJ.

Speaker 22 Look at the picks that he's got, Nocho, since he got that.

Speaker 26 Listen, he's playing humble. Obviously, I don't think Howie understands.
Listen, I'm not a part of

Speaker 26 NFL offices or management or GMs or people in positions of power. But if anything, what Howie and

Speaker 26 Jeffrey Lurie have done in the past, what, five, six years? Hell, they the goddamn blueprint on how to operate and build a winning team.

Speaker 22 Yep.

Speaker 26 I mean, to me, look at the defense.

Speaker 26 Hell, look at the offense. So if I'm in the NFL and I'm an executive of some sort, hey, we need to piggyback and steal what they're doing over here.
It's a copycat league anyway.

Speaker 26 absolutely on the field people watching film and stealing stuff that works the previous week on the opponent that you're playing yeah they might as well do the same thing

Speaker 22 it's easier to say than done you don't think hey man i could do that i might as well cross over the country but you don't see you're not beyonce

Speaker 22 man man you see what my you not michael you not prince you not usher so it's easy to say this is what you should do

Speaker 22 But you're not one of them to be able to do it. It's easy to say, man, you see what Howie doing, but you ain't got Howie's eye.

Speaker 22 You don't know what Howie's looking for when he looks for a particular player. Yeah, it's easy to say, man, look at Ozzie.

Speaker 22 How many Hall of Famers did he draft?

Speaker 22 Jonathan Ogden and Ray Lewis on the all-75, the

Speaker 22 100th anniversary team. And Reed, also.
So you got three guys that's on the 100th anniversary team.

Speaker 26 Hey, what do you think?

Speaker 22 First, three guys, first battle Hall of Famer. Suggs is going to be in the Hall of Fame.
Lamar Jackson is going to be in the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 26 The funny thing when I think about it, Joe, is Joe just said it clear as day earlier. When the lights are on, what do they look like in between those lines on the grass?

Speaker 26 That's a lot of film on everybody before you draft them.

Speaker 26 Yeah, goddamn, it's common sense. I don't care what you ran the 40 in.
Let's say you did run a slow time.

Speaker 26 How am I going to knock you when I know what I'm getting when it's time to play the actual game of football? The game of football.

Speaker 26 It's not played in a straight line anyway. This ain't track, huh? So having speed is just another great factor to add to what you can do.

Speaker 22 But if you don't, have a new one, Jerry Rice might be the slowest receiver in the hall, Ocho.

Speaker 22 Jerry Rice might be the slowest receiver in the hall.

Speaker 26 Technical sound.

Speaker 26 Ramfo6, he was technically sound, but

Speaker 26 he had something we call football speed.

Speaker 26 Football speed is the difference.

Speaker 22 And we know Emmett might be the slowest running back.

Speaker 22 He got the most rushing yard.

Speaker 22 Yeah.

Speaker 22 So when you look at it, we do. We put a lot of emphasis on speed, Ocho.
But at the end of the day, can you play the game of football?

Speaker 22 Listen, this ain't Olympics.

Speaker 22 Hey, we got Olympians. We're going to let Noah Louse.
We're going to let Kennedy Beneri. We're going to let Rye.
We're going to let Dolph have all that. Can you play football?

Speaker 22 Because at the end of the day, we play a game called football. And it's not in a straight line.
You're going to have to move. You're going to have to be, you're going to have to react.

Speaker 22 And the number one thing, you can't be afraid. Now, look, there is a certain level.

Speaker 22 It's hard to say a player is soft because it takes a certain type of crazy, it takes a certain type of person to play. But not anymore, not anymore.

Speaker 26 Now, during your era, doing my area, it's doing my era, it takes a certain level of crazy.

Speaker 26 The way the game is now, where it's favored and it's handicapped to defense, man, you got players out there catching with one hand, man. In the middle,

Speaker 22 that's why you see all of them go across the middle. Hey, and take it selfie.
You got guys up there talking like,

Speaker 26 hey, the game, boy, did a bust

Speaker 26 Boy, Joe, back in them 2000s, boy. But

Speaker 26 in them early 2000s,

Speaker 26 going across that middle.

Speaker 26 Alligator arms.

Speaker 26 Man, listen. If that, man,

Speaker 26 I don't want no part of that.

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Speaker 22 Oh, Joe, the top 10 highest paid NFL players have a combined

Speaker 22 zero Super Bowl wins. Number one, Dak Prescott at $60 million.

Speaker 22 We got four players tied at number two. Josh Allen, Jordan Love, Joe Burrow, Trevor Lawrence at $55 million.

Speaker 22 We got Tua at $53.1 million.

Speaker 22 We got two tied at number seven at $53 million. That's Jerry Goff and Brock Purdy.
And we got Justin Herbert at number nine at $52.5 and Lamar Jackson at a ripe $52. What Mahomes at?

Speaker 22 Now.

Speaker 22 Mahal ain't making that much money.

Speaker 22 He wanted to try to keep a team together.

Speaker 22 He realized, look, Mahal's supposed to have to be making, first of all, when they redid Mike Mahal's contract after that year, he threw, what, 50 touchdowns with 5,000 yards?

Speaker 22 He was supposed to be making $60 million way back then.

Speaker 26 He chose not to take that much, though. That's smart.
That's smart.

Speaker 22 That's the term. He realized, like, man,

Speaker 22 I'm winning at such an early age. If I want any chance to catch Tom or be thought of in that conversation, I'm going to have to try to keep keep this thing together as long as I possibly can.

Speaker 22 And that's what he's been able to do. Uh, plus, they go to him every year and basically like

Speaker 22 give him his money in a side.

Speaker 26 Yeah, I was gonna say that,

Speaker 22 and then guess what? After this season, they'll come back to the table again and give him

Speaker 22 more money. But, uh,

Speaker 22 anybody, any, anything, are you surprised by that? Dak's never been to the Super Bowl, neither is Josh Allen, neither is Jordan Love. Joe has been once, Trevor Lawrence hasn't even won a playoff game.

Speaker 22 Tour's never been. Jerry Goff went, but he went with the Rams.
Purdy went,

Speaker 22 but he lost. Herbert Nor Lamar has won.

Speaker 26 That's why these teams try to take advantage of having good quarterbacks at a young age to where you're able to fill out the roster.

Speaker 22 You try to get him on his rookie contract.

Speaker 26 How Jaden Daniels is over in Washington.

Speaker 22 Yes.

Speaker 26 You get you a young, vibrant quarterback who can kind of lead you and you can kind of ride that wave

Speaker 26 and make sure he still has weapons around him and keep the defense solid. Because

Speaker 26 they take up a lot of the cap, man. This is a.

Speaker 22 Oh, yeah. Well, that's what happened with Mahomes.
But see, what happened with Jordan Love is that he had to wait two years. He waited a couple years, OJo.

Speaker 22 And so now when he plays well, it's time to pay him. So you missed a couple of those years that you could have got, but you got to pay him.

Speaker 22 Mahomes, remember, Mahomes sought out his rookie his first year. Because they had Allen Smith.
Okay, that's one year. Okay, the next year he goes, they go to the AFC championship game.

Speaker 22 He wins the MVP, 50 touchdowns, 5,000 yards. The next year, they come back, they win the Super Bowl.
Uh-oh, damn.

Speaker 22 He didn't hit him over the head like he could have. He's like, I need to keep Kelsey.
I need to keep Chris Jones.

Speaker 22 I need to keep some of these guys in order for us to have a chance to repeat to get back. And so that's what he's been able to do.
I don't begrudge these guys.

Speaker 22 It's not my job. I'm not a capologist.
You told me to play. I'm a play.
Shut Shut up and play. Okay.

Speaker 22 So don't ask me to come down here to help your eyes with the cap because you told me to shut up and play. So I'm going to play.
Shut up. Go back upstairs and figure it out.

Speaker 26 And the funny thing about everybody on that list, they give their team the best chance to win.

Speaker 26 They give their team the best chance to win despite them not having success or having the Super Bowls that they need. But without them, what would their team be?

Speaker 26 Without those quarterbacks and the teams that they play for, whether it be Tua, who hasn't been there, whether it be Trevor, was Trevor Lawrence on there?

Speaker 22 Yeah,

Speaker 26 or justin herbert what would their teams be without them i know they command such a high

Speaker 26 uh high pay price or whatever what haveever you want to call it but they still give their teams the best chance to win which is why they're paid what they are even though they haven't won a super bowl let alone some haven't even been to the playoffs yet

Speaker 22 Everybody ain't gonna win no Super Bowl.

Speaker 26 It's hard. It's hard.

Speaker 22 It's not.

Speaker 22 Look, and people get upset, Joe. If everybody won a championship, what's the fun in that? What's the value if everybody has it?

Speaker 22 There's a reason why there are certain

Speaker 22 zip codes. There are certain things that everybody shouldn't have access to.
Or what's the point in it?

Speaker 22 What's the point, Ocho, if everybody want a Super Bowl? So what's the value of that? What's the, Joe, if everybody want an NBA championship, what's the value of that if everybody got a ring?

Speaker 22 Everybody's like, oh yeah, you're a great player.

Speaker 26 He's going to win one. Absolutely.
But,

Speaker 26 I mean,

Speaker 26 it's the majority of the teams going to a season old show thinking they really got a real chance of winning though.

Speaker 26 I said the majority. I didn't say

Speaker 22 they say they need.

Speaker 26 I said the majority.

Speaker 26 It's a few.

Speaker 22 It's about

Speaker 22 if, ocho, what you think? About 18?

Speaker 26 Maybe not even 68. That's too many.
Maybe

Speaker 26 six. Six teams.
I'm talking about legitimate. Every single season,

Speaker 26 no matter what, come hella high water, they actually have a a chance to go to Super Bowl.

Speaker 26 Ravens, Kansas City, Chiefs, Bills, Packers now, with their play.

Speaker 26 I said, did I mention Ravens?

Speaker 26 Eagles?

Speaker 22 Ravens. Yep.
Eagles, yep.

Speaker 26 Bengals, simply because of the offense. Now, I'm not sure what that defense is going to do.

Speaker 26 They can get to the playoffs if they... You already know what they need to do.

Speaker 26 It got to be one more. Detroit.

Speaker 26 Okay, you might have been eight because I got to throw the Rams in there as well.

Speaker 26 I mean

Speaker 22 the question is

Speaker 22 fourth quarter.

Speaker 22 Six minutes are left in the ball game.

Speaker 22 Your quarterback. Can you count on it?

Speaker 22 Now,

Speaker 22 because, okay, you said, okay,

Speaker 22 you named a bunch of teams, but now come fourth quarter. Now, six minutes are left in the ball game.
How much do you trust your quarterback? Yeah.

Speaker 22 Now we know that you're not

Speaker 22 Joe. That's now you got clutch situation.
The last five minutes.

Speaker 22 Score within five.

Speaker 22 Now

Speaker 22 who can we count on? Yeah,

Speaker 26 it ain't but a few. It ain't but a few quarterbacks.

Speaker 22 Because at that point, Tybo, Joe, ain't nobody telling nobody, man.

Speaker 22 Man, I make 60 million. I make 55 million.
You ain't thinking about none of that. That'll be when you're on the other field.

Speaker 22 I can honestly say, I don't know how you guys, but I can honestly say, I ain't never thought about how much I was making when I was on the field.

Speaker 26 For what?

Speaker 26 And matter of fact, if you thought like that, you probably wouldn't have making that kind of money because your focus is in the wrong place anyway.

Speaker 22 Thank you. Right.

Speaker 22 But I have thought about some other guys on the field making that kind of money. I'm like, how?

Speaker 22 Yeah.

Speaker 22 How?

Speaker 22 I'm about he beat you like a drug? We need to switch salaries.

Speaker 26 And it's so funny.

Speaker 26 But it's guys, it's guys who think like that, though. You know, they come out and like, dang, dude, making this amount of money.

Speaker 26 Oh, yeah, I got to come out and put it, do a job on him, you know, just to show that, you know, I'm as equal or better than him.

Speaker 22 Right. Yeah.

Speaker 26 And the funny thing about it, too, Uncle, it also goes to say all the teams that are always in contention every year, you notice every last one of those teams have a quarterback

Speaker 26 oh yeah without

Speaker 22 not in today's game you know we had this conversation oh joe about a week or two ago and you say uh you don't got no chance but y'all won the super bowl with trent dilford they don't play by the same rules

Speaker 22 though with the defense yeah you they're not they're not gonna let y'all do they're not gonna let a defense do what the ravens defense did back then

Speaker 22 I'm talking about in today. I'm talking about in today's game, the way you can't punish the receiver, you can't punish the quarterback.

Speaker 26 It'd be a flag on every play.

Speaker 26 And you know, somebody had the nerve to do too today, huh?

Speaker 26 It's been a debate going on who is better, the 2000 Raven defense or the Legion of Boom. I mean, man, what was y'all? Was y'all just born? And

Speaker 22 what are you talking about?

Speaker 22 Okay, I just want to know who's debating.

Speaker 26 That's what I answered. I answered, there is no debate.
Raven, what do we do? We talk about one of the best defenses of all time. Legion

Speaker 22 of Boom was good. In the history, in the history, in the 100-year year history, Leech and the Boone was good.

Speaker 26 They were nice, man. They was nice.
Yeah. Come on, man.
Come on, man. Don't do that.

Speaker 26 Their Ravens group was just a little different.

Speaker 22 What?

Speaker 26 There was no weakness.

Speaker 26 There are very few defenses that you're going to face that has no weakness on all three levels. There was no weakness.

Speaker 22 You couldn't run the, you weren't running the ball.

Speaker 22 And they didn't blitz. So they're coming to get you with four.

Speaker 26 I guess that's that's the blueprint.

Speaker 22 They're coming to get you with four.

Speaker 26 Tell Joe how many

Speaker 26 tell Joe the stat line against the Giants and the Super Bowl.

Speaker 22 All the punt, punt. Punt, punt, punt, interception.

Speaker 26 Punt, punt, putt, interception, game over.

Speaker 22 Yeah.

Speaker 22 They had less than 200 yards of total offense.

Speaker 22 In a three-hour game over.

Speaker 22 It wasn't even close, Joe.

Speaker 22 I know people at home didn't like it it because it was like three plays, put,

Speaker 22 four plays, punt,

Speaker 22 five plays, pick.

Speaker 26 Oh, they went game a lot different now.

Speaker 22 No, that was a

Speaker 22 yes, yes, that was a, that's a transcendent, that's a historically great defense.

Speaker 22 When you go back and look at the numbers, just on the numbers,

Speaker 22 they didn't give up 190 points the entire season. That's crazy.

Speaker 26 Hey, Joe, you couldn't replicate. If you was on the video game playing Madden, you couldn't replicate.

Speaker 22 Here's the Giants.

Speaker 22 The Giants' first five possessions, punt,

Speaker 22 excuse me, six possessions. Five plays,

Speaker 22 punt.

Speaker 22 One play, punt.

Speaker 22 That's no, no, no, that's yards. That's yards.
Let me take that back. Let me take it.

Speaker 22 Okay, three plays, punt, three plays, punt, five plays, punt, three plays, punt, three plays, punt, three plays, punt.

Speaker 22 Two plays, pick, nine plays, punt, three plays, interception, five plays, interception, three plays, punt, one play, interception. Uh, then they ran the kickback.

Speaker 22 Then they went three plays for no yards, punt. Three plays minus four yards, punt.
Zero plays. They fumble.

Speaker 22 They punted on three plays, and then they ended the game.

Speaker 26 Them boys were stingy, wasn't he?

Speaker 22 Huh?

Speaker 22 So they three, six.

Speaker 22 Oh, yeah, they was. It was.

Speaker 26 You was on this team, right?

Speaker 22 So what was yes, that was that was my first practice.

Speaker 26 What was practice like? What was practice like against that defense?

Speaker 22 What you mean was practice like

Speaker 22 that's what it looked like.

Speaker 22 What it looked like, we did that what it looked like

Speaker 22 unless somebody blew it aside and I was able to sleep down in the middle of something.

Speaker 22 It wasn't no score going on, man. Hell no.

Speaker 22 Hell no.

Speaker 26 If you told somebody that that didn't know football, they wouldn't even believe you.

Speaker 22 That was a real game.

Speaker 26 Hey, well, Uncle Got me in tears, boy, with a goddamn stat line.

Speaker 22 Hell no.

Speaker 22 They put it 11 times.

Speaker 22 They threw four picks and had a fumble.

Speaker 26 Hold on. I know them boys used to be talking so much trash, probably doing games and pranks.

Speaker 22 Oh, boy.

Speaker 26 huh?

Speaker 22 Yes.

Speaker 22 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 22 I was like, hey, they gave up 10 points a game.

Speaker 26 Hey, Uncle And Joe, you're probably, give me an analogy. Give me this in basketball terms.
I understand in football terms. Give it to me in basketball terms.

Speaker 26 Something relevant or equal to that domination in that game. Man, I will have to give it.

Speaker 26 I don't know what Unk is thinking, but I would have to give it to the Detroit Pistons when they played the lakers the kobe and shaq lakers what was that that's 04

Speaker 22 04

Speaker 26 i had i i i i i did not see detroit competing man detroit handled them boys ocho you hear me wait they swept them no they ain't sweep they ain't sweep them gentlemen sweep what did they win one game onk

Speaker 22 they did remember kobe hit that three to sit in the overtime and they ended up winning an overtime they lost game one they won game two when kobe hit the three to six overtime home court advantage ocho man them boys hey hey that was a tough team team man with ben wallace anchoring their defense in the middle yeah yeah

Speaker 26 they had she she crazy ass too she tayshawn prince rip hamilton chauncey billows like they they they played defensively they had individuals who can move their feet and play like tayshaun was a he was what you would call a defensive stopper uh ben wallace is what you would call a defensive stopper but collectively as a team right man they was on a stream they were synth like you know they they they understood their assignment you know what i mean like right right you wasn't wasn't going to get no easy buggers against them dudes, man.

Speaker 26 None.

Speaker 22 Man.

Speaker 22 I mean,

Speaker 22 188 points in 20 games. That's what the Ravens gave.

Speaker 26 Y'all just had to get something on the board, huh? The offense gets something on the board. Yeah,

Speaker 22 we got, hey, if we got up on y'all's 7-0, 10-0,

Speaker 22 and we didn't turn it over, you done.

Speaker 26 It was over. Wait, hold on, I'm confused.

Speaker 26 The Lakers, Lakers with Shaq and Kobe.

Speaker 26 Yes, man.

Speaker 22 Yeah, they beat the brakes off Shaq and Kobe.

Speaker 26 Ocho wasn't nothing they could do, Ocho.

Speaker 22 But

Speaker 22 that's when Shaq and Kobe was at there.

Speaker 22 They was ready to be done.

Speaker 26 But they were still, they was

Speaker 26 Apex, though.

Speaker 22 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But, you know, Shaq, Shaq, you know, wanted to get paid.
Dr. Buzz was ready to turn it over to Kobe.

Speaker 22 Kobe had the thing, had what he had going on.

Speaker 22 Dr. Buzz, like, you know what? I'm done with it.

Speaker 22 They ended up trading Shaq to Miami.

Speaker 26 Oh,

Speaker 26 right after they lost.

Speaker 26 And, you know, Ocho, they had already won. I think they had won three, three prior to that.
And Detroit was just,

Speaker 22 yeah, they won 99, 2000, 2001. The Spurs won

Speaker 22 02.

Speaker 22 They lost the 03.

Speaker 22 That's what, you know, O2. Hold on.

Speaker 26 So you telling me if Kobe and Shaq actually stuck together, they could have probably won more than three?

Speaker 22 Yeah,

Speaker 22 yeah, probably.

Speaker 26 Yeah, stayed on the same page. I think so.
Yeah,

Speaker 26 you weren't stopping them too, man.

Speaker 22 But you got to understand.

Speaker 22 You had, it was like, had they been like Kobe, had they been like Magic and Kareem

Speaker 22 didn't really care who got the credit and whose team it was, yes, they probably, they probably, Shaq probably obviously, rest his soul, Kobe, would tell you

Speaker 22 they probably should have won like at least five, maybe six.

Speaker 22 Yeah, they were that good because it's the perfect situation. It's a guard and a big, but but but Kobe weren't taking no bags.

Speaker 22 You had

Speaker 22 that's the thing. See, Magic, because you got to understand, Magic came in as a 20-year-old.
Kareem won the MVP that season.

Speaker 22 Magic was the number one overall pick.

Speaker 22 Magic's finals MVP.

Speaker 22 Cab, what you need, what you want.

Speaker 22 It was Pat Riley with the magic later in his career and say, hey, he called Magic Buck, young Buck. He said, Buck, I need you to score more.
You know what Magic asked him?

Speaker 22 You talked to Cap about that?

Speaker 22 You cleared that with Cap.

Speaker 22 Yeah, I talked to him. Okay.

Speaker 22 Say no more. Say, hey.

Speaker 22 Kobe wasn't that.

Speaker 26 This is what you're going to get right here.

Speaker 22 Kobe, Kobe's mindset was Kobe is an assassin. Kobe is a cold-blooded killer.
It ain't nothing.

Speaker 22 Well, we just ain't going to win there.

Speaker 22 Because I'm going to do what I'm going to do.

Speaker 22 Yeah.

Speaker 22 I'm going to get it.

Speaker 22 But

Speaker 22 that's what you have to have happen is that you have to have guys willing to sacrifice. I don't care.
I don't care who team it is, whoever get the credit, they get the credit. Blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 22 It's like the Patriots.

Speaker 22 You're probably never going to see that again, ocho not 20 years

Speaker 22 you got 20 years of dominance you got 20 years nine super bowl appearances six wins let that sink in so basically every other year ocho they damn near in the super bowl

Speaker 22 if that if if if just think about it if there's no archie and olivia manning How many Super Bowls does Brady have?

Speaker 22 Peyton beat him three times in the AMC championship championship game Eli beat him twice in the Super Bowl

Speaker 22 that man might have 10 12 rings

Speaker 22 so

Speaker 22 OJ Terry McLaurin has been around the team for meetings and off-field activities but Offensive Coordinator Cliff Kingsbury said time on tasks together on the grass is really the only way to continue to build and that makes it about time for on field work to start.

Speaker 22 I don't know exactly how much you can get out of that.

Speaker 22 I think we're kind of at the point where you need to start getting those guys when they're available out there and gelling to see where we are as an offense.

Speaker 22 Now,

Speaker 22 you know, Terry McClure has he and his representative has their number.

Speaker 22 I believe the commanders have a number that they're probably willing to go to.

Speaker 22 I don't believe they are.

Speaker 26 Damn. What's the number though? Is it disrespectful?

Speaker 22 I mean, I saw some reports. They say

Speaker 22 28 to 30.

Speaker 22 And he wants to be DK. He wants to be north to 33.

Speaker 26 We could do 30.

Speaker 26 We could do 30. Hey, so, so, Arcane Ojo, what's this going to do with the young boy

Speaker 26 with his

Speaker 26 top receiving weapon? What's this going to do for him, man?

Speaker 22 We need him out there. That's what Cliff is saying.
We need to get jelly. All this, what we can be, we need guys on the field.

Speaker 22 We don't even have him on the field, let alone not play it in the preseason. He's not even on the field.

Speaker 26 No practicing at all. No, nothing.
Him and Mike in the same boat. Hell, Trey Henderson, too.

Speaker 22 Yep.

Speaker 26 Yeah, I think

Speaker 26 those are the unfortunates, man. Those are the unfortunates of professional sports, obviously football because it's so glaring.
You know what I mean? Like, you know,

Speaker 26 you know, Daniels is definitely going to

Speaker 26 need him. Oh, yeah.
Get him out there to be successful. So

Speaker 26 I don't know, man. I don't know what these owners be thinking about, man.

Speaker 26 I was thinking that, you know, this stuff would get disputed or get settled, you know, before the season started, but we down to what, one more, one more game? That's it.

Speaker 26 Hold on, yo. They do y'all like this too? What's that? In the NBA, when it's time to get paid, they like, oh, nah, we don't want to.

Speaker 22 Nah, they don't do that. They don't do that.

Speaker 26 But it don't happen the way football, like, you know, it don't necessarily lingers over to camp. When camp started, you already pretty much settled into what you got going.

Speaker 26 Now, you could be on your last year, your deal, and won a new contract, and you may not get it, but you ain't going to be holding out.

Speaker 26 Right.

Speaker 26 Okay, okay. Oh, well, they won't do that to you.
Nah, them the boys, them boys ain't going to be.

Speaker 22 Oh, Joe, the top players go get the top players getting the max. No

Speaker 22 I mean, it ain't.

Speaker 22 What are we doing with Shay? We're going to give him the max. Jokic, like, nah, I ain't ready to sign.

Speaker 22 I'll sign next year. I'm going to see what y'all going to do.
You see Luca, Luca says, you know what? I'll do three years. In 28, I'll be able to get, I'll be able to be the first $80 million player.

Speaker 22 So, I mean, and you see guys, guys getting five years, 125, guys getting five years.

Speaker 26 That's like standard rate now, Ocho, 120, 125.

Speaker 22 Austin Reeves turned down like 15 to 20 million a year.

Speaker 26 He's like, I want 30 because he knows he's going to be able to get it. I want to know what we're doing over here for the Hawks.
I see

Speaker 26 Trey ain't got no new contract. He's going into this season

Speaker 26 on this final year of his deal.

Speaker 22 Yeah, Trey Young. They're going to take the Evan.
Yeah,

Speaker 22 I'm surprised by that.

Speaker 26 I don't know what they're doing, Ocho. I'm sitting back like everybody else.
I'm waiting to see.

Speaker 22 Because, what's a max deal for him? A max deal for him got to be similar.

Speaker 26 You know, him and Luca was in the same draft class. They actually got traded for one another.

Speaker 22 Yeah, but let me ask you this. Has he been an all-NBA selection?

Speaker 22 He should have been. Man, look.
He should have made all NASA.

Speaker 26 You go look at Trey Young's stats.

Speaker 26 You can go past three years, four, five years. I'm saying

Speaker 26 from a point guard standpoint, Arkan Ocho, he makes the guys around him better. He's led the league in assists.
That goes unnoticed. I don't know why, but it goes unnoticed so much.

Speaker 26 I mean, he does so much for this team, you know. Uh, it just

Speaker 26 don't make no sense to me. It's like if you if you end up losing Trey, I mean, I don't know what you plan on doing.

Speaker 22 I don't know who y'all will get. That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 26 Like the star power that he has here and that he brings.

Speaker 26 And, you know, I just look forward to the Hawks being, I look forward to the Hawks being a top five team this year. I don't care what you're on the Eastern Conference.
Top five?

Speaker 26 Yeah.

Speaker 22 But hold on. Wait.

Speaker 22 Who they side out in

Speaker 22 top five, who?

Speaker 26 Top five. What? We got, they got Poor Zingers.
They went and got the kid from Minnesota, Alexandra.

Speaker 22 Okay, Miki Alexander.

Speaker 26 And then, and then

Speaker 26 you hope the growth. And then we have Jalen Johnson back who's been, who was injured pretty much all of last year.

Speaker 26 And you hope the growth and maturity of the young guys, they catch on at a faster pace. Dice and danger.

Speaker 26 They got some great pieces, man.

Speaker 26 It's wide open in the East this year. Oh, yeah, Ocho.
We got y'all.

Speaker 22 You're going to be in front of the heat. But I believe Detroit's going to be better.
I believe Detroit will be better.

Speaker 22 The Knicks are going to be there.

Speaker 22 The Celtics, the Celtics, I think they take a step back. Cleveland, I think Cleveland will be there.
Orlando, Orlando.

Speaker 22 The Pacers go take a step back. No Halley, no Miles Garrett.
I mean, Miles Turner. Orlando.
I think they take a step back. So

Speaker 22 you could be right. You could be right.

Speaker 26 Because

Speaker 26 we're going to be better than Miami.

Speaker 26 We got Miami this year, Ocho. Who?

Speaker 22 The Heat?

Speaker 26 The Heat?

Speaker 26 Yeah, we got y'all this year, bro.

Speaker 26 Listen, no disrespect to Atlanta. No disrespect to the Hawks and their players.
Come on, Joe. Don't do that.

Speaker 26 Them boys ain't talking about nothing, man.

Speaker 26 What you mean? Jordan got me. Nah, you told you said better than the Heat.
Yeah.

Speaker 26 I tell you.

Speaker 26 Hold on.

Speaker 22 you talking about Pat Riley Heat?

Speaker 26 Eric Folster Heat?

Speaker 26 All right.

Speaker 22 Okay.

Speaker 26 You won't bet nothing.

Speaker 26 Make it light on yourself, brother. Hey, you already in the hole.
You already in the hole now.

Speaker 22 We need to get it.

Speaker 26 I owe you $100, Joe. I owe you $100.

Speaker 26 Like, come on.

Speaker 26 I'm just saying, man, if I had it put up somewhere, I could be drawing some juice on that little honey. You know what I mean? Matter of fact, I get that honey to work on your Wi-Fi.
I got you.

Speaker 26 Oh, man. Okay.

Speaker 22 Okay.

Speaker 22 All right.

Speaker 22 Oh, Joe, Joe. The Browns will evaluate Dylan Gabriel's hamstring Saturday morning, but they are optimistic the rookie will start the preseason game against the Eagles per Jeremy Fowler.

Speaker 22 Gabriel stranged his hamstring on August 2nd and didn't return to full participation in practice until this week. Joe Flacco, Kenny Pickett, Shador Sanders will not play this week.

Speaker 22 Shadur was hurt in Wednesday joint practice and could return to practice next week and play in the preseason finale.

Speaker 26 Now, I don't want to.

Speaker 22 What are we expecting, Ocho?

Speaker 26 I'm expecting Dylan Gabriel to play. I ain't trying to hear nothing about no hamstrings and all that.

Speaker 26 You ain't that fast. You're not that exposed to anyway.
I need you to get out there and compete. I want to see, I want to see what you look like without the green and without the green and gold on.

Speaker 26 I want to see what you look like in that brown, when the lights is on, when that pressure is on, you know, especially after what Shadow was able to do, you were the third round pick.

Speaker 26 I need you to go out there and show me why you were the third round pick. That's it.

Speaker 26 Hey, I wish you nothing but the best, but I want to see it. I'm with you, Ocho.
I want to see some.

Speaker 26 We need to be able to put some on film to where we can look at and assess and be like, okay.

Speaker 26 We've seen some bright spots. We've seen some not so bright spots, but we need to have something we can go off of.

Speaker 26 Hey, look, it's mighty funny to me, man all these guys having these hamstring injuries you know i i know the hamstring in the back you can't detect that you know i'd have been around guys who done who done played hookie on uh on some of these injuries now

Speaker 22 yeah i mean it's a situation where like the mechanics i mean a lot of it might be fatigued you might be dehydrated yeah uh your mechanics might be off

Speaker 22 I mean, the body's funny.

Speaker 26 I think I know one thing.

Speaker 26 Too many players are getting hurt. Too many players are getting hurt.
You see what I'm talking about?

Speaker 26 When we talk about nutrition, we talk about diet and doing all this stuff that really has no bearings or

Speaker 26 playing this type of sport. You see what I mean? We got Kenny Pickett hamstring.
We got something wrong with Dylan Gabriel with his hamstring. I'm telling you what these NFL teams need to do,

Speaker 26 I'm telling you what they need to do. What's that?

Speaker 26 They need to bring me in and I have a plan. I can do everything with a PowerPoint presentation to keep these fellas and stop them from getting hurt.
Okay.

Speaker 26 The game has changed, right? The NFL is protecting the players now more today than ever. I played during the era where it was there.
It was a firing squad out there when you're playing football.

Speaker 26 I managed to do it for 11 years with no injuries. None.
Zero zilch. Not a pull,

Speaker 26 not a strain, not a nothing. So obviously.

Speaker 26 I did something right that can help these young bulls with that's playing this day's game.

Speaker 26 How you hurt in it's pre-season we just you just got to camp two weeks ago them boys out there working hard that go for you too you're oblique um i don't know what the goddamn oblique at joe we open that's hey that hey that's in that's in your mid your core the turn that's in your throwing motion i can see how he kind of tweaked that can can y'all you can't see that oh joe

Speaker 22 that's a very common injury for a quarter

Speaker 26 sat though

Speaker 26 you're side see oblique i got something for that i got something for that. I can have Shadua back in two days.
You talk about your oblique hurt? Boy, get you some

Speaker 26 Vicks vapor rub, right?

Speaker 26 Get you some Vicks vapor rub. Rub it on the area where you hurt at, right?

Speaker 26 Get you some candle wax. Light a candle and let it melt a little bit.

Speaker 26 Take the wax, put the wax on the area. It's going to sizzle.
It's going to hurt when it first hits you, though.

Speaker 26 But that mixture of Vicks vapor rub and that candle wax, candle wax is going to pull all that, all that swelling and everything that hurt.

Speaker 22 Please do not attempt right up out of there.

Speaker 26 I'm telling him.

Speaker 26 That man didn't even know what Oblique was at. Well, he got a whole remedy for it.

Speaker 22 But now he got a remedy for it.

Speaker 26 I didn't know where it was at, but I know how to cure the area. Okay.
Okay. Because it's a strain.
It must be a strain or a pull. And I got something for that.

Speaker 22 Yeah, you got a strain. I just think the guys, I think the guy, I don't think the guys take enough time off.
These guys training every day. Deal get anybody a chance to rest, recover.

Speaker 26 They be out there turning up, man, when the football season is over. I don't know.

Speaker 22 Bad them go. Yeah, they turn up, but they'll be out there training.
Hey, look, bro, take two bus off.

Speaker 26 I do. I want to see these quarterbacks.
I'm going to be honest with y'all. I want to see them in a little better shape, Uncle Ojo.

Speaker 26 Like, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, nah, the worst shape they're in, the better they can throw the football off.

Speaker 22 Nah, nah.

Speaker 26 Why you say that?

Speaker 22 You ever see Peyton Maddie with his shirt on?

Speaker 26 Yeah, I know, man. Tom Brady,

Speaker 26 we in two different games.

Speaker 22 L. Way, burrito.

Speaker 26 These dual quarterbacks nowadays, these dual quarterbacks. So they're going to need to be in at least shape to be able to do both.

Speaker 22 They're in shape, but from here to waist,

Speaker 26 you got to tighten it up. They got to tighten it up.

Speaker 22 Nah.

Speaker 26 They got to tighten it up, man.

Speaker 22 I'm going to get them boys right, man.

Speaker 26 I'm going to get them boys.

Speaker 22 Nah,

Speaker 22 they don't want no tight shoulders. They don't want no bicep.
They don't want no triceps. They got no abs.
Hey,

Speaker 26 I don't know. Why is that?

Speaker 22 Because they got to be able to throw that body. They got to be able to spend that ball.
They can't have no tight shoulders. It's like a baseball, like a pitcher.
They don't do nothing up about it.

Speaker 22 You see it. Look at pitchers.
What pitcher you ever see with

Speaker 22 abs.

Speaker 22 You got to be fluid through there. That's why they're good at golf.

Speaker 26 Yeah.

Speaker 22 Who are the best players at golf? Quarterbacks.

Speaker 22 Baseball players.

Speaker 22 Basketball players. Because they don't have all this.

Speaker 22 They're not tight.

Speaker 26 I ain't saying they got to be bench pressing 400, squatting 600. I'm just saying, man, you got to tighten up a little bit.

Speaker 22 Oh,

Speaker 26 you just gave me an idea, too.

Speaker 26 Hey, Joe, you got to come with us.

Speaker 26 Me and Uncle going to start a show.

Speaker 26 Like streaming, right? Yeah. That benches of Uncle Ocho, but it'll be the adventures of Uncle Ocho and Joe.

Speaker 26 Okay, because hey, hold up, hold up, because I like I say, hey, hey, cut me in or cut it out, all right?

Speaker 22 Yeah, yeah,

Speaker 22 Joe can't do nothing, y'all. Man, Joe,

Speaker 22 we're gonna be the left Joe ass behind.

Speaker 26 Hold on, hold on,

Speaker 26 hold on, hold on, hold on. I get this little, I get this little uh splint thing took off my leg on the 29th.

Speaker 26 I'm out here with the shakers and moving, baby. I'm outside.
What are we doing? So we're doing all kinds of stuff that

Speaker 26 people normally wouldn't be able to see us do. Fishing, hunting.

Speaker 22 Oh, man.

Speaker 26 You You know, just doing like, you know, crazy stuff. Like, just he, I'm just mentioning golf.
Hell, shoot. I, I didn't, I didn't play golf with Tiger Woods before.

Speaker 26 Let me show you my swing real quick.

Speaker 26 Hey, hey, I can golf now. Look at my swing.
Can you see me? Hey, look at my shoulder.

Speaker 22 Yeah, we see you. Yeah,

Speaker 26 look how my shoulders, my shoulders are parallel with my feet. Okay.
Yeah.

Speaker 26 Hold my club. That's how I hold my club like that.
You see it? All right. Okay.

Speaker 26 I just,

Speaker 26 check my technique out now. All right.

Speaker 22 I'm looking.

Speaker 22 Oh, no.

Speaker 22 Yeah.

Speaker 22 Ooh, no. You done broke the wrist at the top.
Your wrist broke at the top.

Speaker 26 Just watch. Watch how it breaks.
Watch my wrist.

Speaker 26 Nah, they ain't going to get it.

Speaker 22 No. No.
No, no, no.

Speaker 22 Nah. Oh, Joe.

Speaker 22 This bottom,

Speaker 22 it's got to stay straight.

Speaker 26 He got.

Speaker 26 That inside that inside forearm got to stay straight, my brother.

Speaker 22 No,

Speaker 22 look at your left arm.

Speaker 26 Wait, huh?

Speaker 22 The left, that's the bottom arm. You right-handed golfer.
The left arm needs to stay straight through the motion.

Speaker 26 It did.

Speaker 26 Hey, yeah, hey, yeah.

Speaker 26 Y'all let me know when y'all want to get on the golf course because Ocho's sweet. I know I got him for sure.
Hey, hey, Joe. Hey, Joe, hey, I had in on one set, and I played 18 holes, right?

Speaker 26 I eagled four times.

Speaker 26 Hold on, what?

Speaker 26 In one day.

Speaker 26 You eagled four times. Yeah, Yeah, at Augusta.

Speaker 26 I was in Georgia. I was in Georgia.
It was me, Scotty Scheffler, Tiger Wars, and

Speaker 26 was buddy name.

Speaker 26 Me, Tiger McCarthy.

Speaker 22 Rory McElroy.

Speaker 26 It wasn't Roy. It wasn't Roy.
It was the other one.

Speaker 26 Oh, Joe. John.
Nah, nah, nah, it wasn't John. I know John.

Speaker 22 DJ.

Speaker 22 No, Ricky Roll. It wasn't John Rom.

Speaker 26 It was John Rom. Keegan Bradley.
Not me, me and John follow each other on Twitter. It was John.
Oh, Joe. Oh, Joe.

Speaker 26 Hey, I'm here. Hey, I'm a hell of a man.

Speaker 22 Joe, you see that guy on the live he shot 59 with a double bogey what

Speaker 22 got shot 59 with a double bogey 59 with a double bogey

Speaker 22 he went on the birdie 13 of the last 14 holes

Speaker 26 goodness

Speaker 26 but he like me

Speaker 22 yeah

Speaker 26 man man game play no go

Speaker 26 oh hey hey i can go i show you my clubs right now my club's right here in the closet hey listen i got some clubs but i don't know why we talk my brother why are we talking though seriously man that poo-poo table and that ping pong tournament come on

Speaker 26 come on man come on oh

Speaker 22 here we go

Speaker 22 oh

Speaker 22 ephra rails

Speaker 26 don't get him started

Speaker 22 be minnesota fans be willie bascoy be steve misery i'm ephra rails i'm joey unc and i mean no disrespect i love y'all to death, man.

Speaker 26 But there are three things in life.

Speaker 26 You might be able to be, you might be able to outdo me in other things, other sports, you know, things that you guys are more accustomed to when it comes to ping-pong,

Speaker 26 when it comes to pool, and when it comes to bowling, please stay within your lane.

Speaker 22 Man, please.

Speaker 22 I already know I'm the best in the house when it's shooting.

Speaker 26 You don't even got no pool stick with your pool stick. I got a personal pool stick.
They used to call me,

Speaker 26 they used to call me sugar cane, man. What did you talk about? My pool stick look like a look like a sugar cane

Speaker 26 though i know one thing boy y'all sure talk a good game boy i'm not talking good game i used to be at the pool hall on 54th and 12th avenue down here in miami

Speaker 26 hey now for real we gotta link up for like a little pool tournament the pink i'm gonna tell you i i know both better know both of y'all sweet i could tell i could tell hey hold on hey they got it they got a pool table in magic city

Speaker 22 All right, now,

Speaker 26 okay, well, we could put one in there because that's where we need to go.

Speaker 22 Ain't no point in playing pool in there. I mean, I could call Magic to see, but I don't think, I don't think I call magic.

Speaker 26 Let's put a pool table in there so we can, you know, we can have some food. We can use our peripheral vision and we can play pool.

Speaker 22 No, I need to concentrate.

Speaker 22 What are we playing, Joe? What we play? We play eight balls. We play nine ball.

Speaker 26 Okay. Yeah.
Hey, hell, Matt. Hell, Matt.
Listen.

Speaker 22 Because I like your, because you know, I play nine ball. I play five and nine

Speaker 22 that's what we do

Speaker 26 well five on a five dollars on the five and tell them something boy i'm not gonna play no silly games with y'all okay oh we're gonna take y'all up something cat ragged

Speaker 26 you do not joe you too tall you too tall i know you that's my advantage that's my advantage ain't no there ain't no advantage yeah you got your own do you have your own pool stick yes sir what you want me want to show it to you

Speaker 26 mine right here i told you what they called me growing up they called me sugar cane because my pool stick like a sugar cane. This ain't, man.
This is not what y'all do, man.

Speaker 26 What kind of stick you got? You got to break yours down or it's just like one.

Speaker 26 I got to break it down. Mine coming three.

Speaker 22 You can break it. I got what

Speaker 22 I break down.

Speaker 26 Yeah, mine coming three.

Speaker 26 My stick coming three. That's how I know.
Hey, Chad, this is going to be sweet, Chad. Hey, yeah, we got, hey, we got to record.

Speaker 22 We got to. Hey, that's weird.
Hey, that's tweet. Hey, that's tweet.
But I don't miss. Oh, oh, Efra Red.
Don't play with me, Joe. Joe, stop playing with me.
Stop playing.

Speaker 22 How you want me to do it? How do you want me to do it, Joe?

Speaker 26 Yo, that's them $20 sticks from Dick Sporting Good, Joe.

Speaker 22 I got a pool table upstairs.

Speaker 26 That's $20 from Dick's, man.

Speaker 22 I'll beat you with a dog filler.

Speaker 22 Why are you over there bubbling your gun? I get a broom stick and beat your ass. Oh, Joe.

Speaker 22 Why are you over there buffing your gun?

Speaker 26 Talk about you going to beat us.

Speaker 26 Nah, man, he can't play, man. He got that cheap ass $20 Dick Sporting Good pool stick.
Man, come on, man. Tighten up, man.

Speaker 22 I tell you what, I get a better one when you pay me my money. Ooh, we.

Speaker 22 Oh, we.

Speaker 22 Oh, we. He said about my 40.
Look at Joe, the lost signal again. Look at Joe.

Speaker 26 What?

Speaker 26 What happened?

Speaker 22 You see?

Speaker 22 Why you over there talking? See it? You see how you over there talking, Joe? You see how you over there talking? Oh, that a $20.

Speaker 22 You see how you over there talking, Joe? Hey,

Speaker 26 just because you, the pool sticks coming too at Dick's Sporting Goods, they cost $30. Like, come on, what you think?

Speaker 22 No, they don't. The pool sticks that dick don't coach that the dot, they're solid cute.

Speaker 26 Nah, nah, nah.

Speaker 22 Hey, I get a broomstick if you need them, Joe.

Speaker 26 Hey, look, I already know.

Speaker 26 And you got to call your shots out, too. You got to call your shots out, call that pilot number and the pocket.

Speaker 22 Right.

Speaker 26 Absolutely. Absolutely.

Speaker 22 Really? Absolutely.

Speaker 22 God, y'all know I got old short. I got on.
Yeah, no.

Speaker 22 Damn.

Speaker 22 Y'all just think I'm sitting up in this thing button ball.

Speaker 22 I was sitting down. I got on.

Speaker 22 I got a little

Speaker 22 button to hear. Hey,

Speaker 22 best of the house, me and Elf and Reyes. Hey, we're going to have to play, played 20 games.
He beat me. He beat me like 13-7.

Speaker 26 When was this?

Speaker 22 Probably about 20.

Speaker 26 You remember that thing we were talking about? Rhythm and timing?

Speaker 22 Yeah.

Speaker 26 I don't know. Y'all probably ain't been shooting that much.
I shoot pretty often.

Speaker 26 I ain't no dude just off the street. Ain't never held a pool stick.
Now, I grew up in this thing. There are three things I don't leave home without.

Speaker 26 My credit cards, my car keys, and my pool stick. It's always in the car.

Speaker 26 It's always in the car. I keep that thing on me.
I keep that thing on me, man. Don't do that, man.
Y'all don't play. Y'all just talking about something that you like to do as a hobby.
Come on, man.

Speaker 26 Like, I really do this.

Speaker 22 Man, look here.

Speaker 22 I know I can be. Look, Ocho not finna beat me shooting pool,

Speaker 26 but I will.

Speaker 22 You not either, Joe. See,

Speaker 26 this is the kind of stuff. This is the kind of stuff we have to have on stream.
You know, hey, Joe, you know, I cost an at and the Aiden Ross. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
You know how they stream, yeah.

Speaker 26 Like, we're gonna have one for the older folks, but the older folks,

Speaker 22 we don't have nothing,

Speaker 26 nobody's tapped into that space.

Speaker 26 So, Joe, we have our own show called The Adventures of Unc, Joe, and Ocho, and then just us doing all us doing all the stuff that grown folks do, like playing dominoes.

Speaker 22 Like, I was sitting up here to say, but ball man, tongue.

Speaker 26 Yeah, I can see all that. I can see all the good stuff, what?

Speaker 22 Hold on. Oh, you try, you try to play two and two jokes, man.

Speaker 26 Come on, now.

Speaker 26 What y'all want to do, man? Wait, so now I guess you can beat us in tongue, too.

Speaker 26 Yes, man. Yes.
Yes.

Speaker 26 Ojo, oh cho.

Speaker 22 Well, first of all, tunk ain't no team game, ojo. I always want you to know everybody plays different tongue.

Speaker 26 Since we talk about tongue, we might as well add the goddamn dominoes too and add Uno.

Speaker 22 I don't play no dominoes, but I play Uno. I can play Checker.
You play, don't play Checkers.

Speaker 26 Well, listen, we have to see your Uno rules first because everybody ain't got the same rule.

Speaker 26 We playing the old school rules. me i ain't not playing all this new stuff they be talking about today i'm playing the old school rules how i used to play back in the day

Speaker 22 what's what's the old school rules so you drop so you drop it down reverse you drop it down skip

Speaker 22 draw forward draw

Speaker 26 if you if you if if you drop a draw two and i'm supposed to and i have a draw two too

Speaker 26 i can i can drop that too right on top of you now yeah yeah you know i play the simple the simple rules all that new stuff they coming up with man they they listen they gentrifying uno that's what they've done they gentrified Uno.

Speaker 22 Yeah.

Speaker 22 But I know I know I beat y'all in poo, that's for sure.

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