Best of Shedeur Sanders Mania Part 2: Unc & Ocho GO OFF on Shedeur Sanders NFL Debut!

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Shador shines in his first preseason game, 11 of 19, 103 yards passing.

Two TDs.

You know, Coach Prime was fired up.

Time, yes, Law.

Yes, Shador Sanders.

Oh, yeah, what now?

Coach Prime, God is good.

Shout out to Coco Butter Brothers for sending us this video.

LeBron James even weighed in.

That young king looking good out there, Shador Sanders.

Keep going up, head down, and grind and head high to the most, and head high to the most high.

Jordan Schultz, text from a high-ranking AFC North executive on the Browns rookie, Shador Sanders.

It's early, but wow, actually shocked how good he looks.

Nike football, when you get your opportunity, create the next one.

Only matter of time.

Yeah.

Ocho.

Yeah.

We we could look, we could pick two plays, ocho.

Well, damn, he missed the Sam Strong safety blitz.

Well, he had a guy ride over to the flat on second and 18 and he skipped the ball to him.

But you saw that override that Brock Purdy throws so well in the San Francisco offense.

You see him fit the ball into those tight, those small windows.

Did you see him on the move throw that touch pass?

Now, the receiver made a great one-handed catch, but did you see the touch?

Yes.

So take off your hand.

Listen,

I wanted to see what Shadur would look like in a situation that wasn't advantageous to him.

He didn't get any reps

as many reps as he should to prepare himself, to be prepared for a game like this of this magnitude.

Dylan Brooks hurt.

Kenny Pickett hurt.

Joe Flacco not playing.

So the cards that he was dealt to go into this game, can you be a leader of men?

Can you go in?

calm,

show a presence of leadership,

run the the team.

Command the team.

Show that

regardless of who's around you, you can still conduct yourself like quarterback one.

He was calm, under pressure, went through his progressions, made some great throws, had some errant throws.

You know, obviously that's what film is for.

That's what the precedent is for.

The fix the nooks and the crannies to get him out.

He looked like he belonged.

He looked different.

He did.

And Andrew Andrew Berry, you made the right call.

There's a reason that you wanted him.

There's no reason he should have dropped as far as he did.

You cannot tell me as any scout of those 32 teams that didn't need a starting quarterback, but those that needed a quarterback and were in need of one, watch film on Shador Sanders and what he did at Jackson State.

and what he did at Colorado and say, you know what?

No, that's not my guy.

The quote you just read from the scout in the AFC North, if you watch film, what did you expect him to look like?

He looked exactly like he looked in Colorado.

He looked exactly like he looked at Jackson State.

Calm under pressure, in the pocket,

going through progressions, making the right throws.

That's what they expected to see.

What they expected to see and what some hope to see might be two entirely different things.

Talk to me, Dad.

Now,

hope, man, I show hope, man.

I show hope this happens, man,

versus expect to see.

What I wanted to see.

I wanted to see exactly what you wanted to see.

I want to see, could he play with poise?

Could he throw the ball with conviction?

Could he be decisive?

Could he go through his progressions?

The pocket collapses.

Could he take off?

He showed me some of everything.

The over route, threw it on timing.

Guy in his face, led him boom, right, dropped it right in the bucket.

He fit those balls.

A, pressure in his face, the second touchdown, pressure in his face, the first touchdown.

The corner slumps off, the flat.

The safety is hugging him.

He fits it in.

Gets it in.

Boom.

On the move, the touch pass over the top.

As I mentioned at the top, the receiver did make a great play, but Shadur had a nice loft.

That's not an easy throw to make.

He was impressive tonight.

Very.

and a lot of people they were in the chat last night let's see what shadour does let's see what shadour does well oh hold on home you know what they're gonna say now oh it's the preseason oh he's not playing against their starters oh he's playing against the he didn't have the starters either well

hello talk i didn't see jerry judy i didn't see in joku i didn't see the starting offensive line No, Cedric Tillman.

So this is what I have to say to those who are going to have another excuse.

They're going to move the goalposts, right?

They're going to move the goalpost and say, well, he wasn't going against the Panther starters well obviously if he's not going against the panther starters or if he doesn't have his starters as well and what he has at his disposal and look that good with the twos and threes and maybe the fours that are trying to make the team what do you think is gonna happen when he has the main characters in there around him right that makes your job a little bit easier

that are a little bit better at their position than those that he's playing with tonight What do you think is going to happen?

Well, they can try to move the goalpost, but I ain't trying to kick a field goal or PAT.

So I'm going to score anyway.

And Shadur Sanders scored tonight.

I'm going to give credit where it's due: 14 to 23, 138 yards, two touchdowns, no interception.

He got two sacks.

Like I said, we can nitpick a couple of things.

Yeah, it's the strong safety, the Sam strong safety blitz.

Problem like, you know what?

But it looked like he was telling the guy, bro.

I need you to hook up on that.

You're probably not going to be able to outrun the safety.

Lamar Jackson hold on to the ball a little longer because he can outrun the safety.

Josh Allen, same thing.

That's not Shadur.

Shadur is not a mobile quarterback.

He's going going to do all most, the majority of his damage is going to be in the pocket, OJo.

I'm not saying he's Tom Brady, but he has the athleticism.

That's not what he's known for.

Go ahead, Ocho.

This is the thing.

What he lacks in athleticism and inability to get out the pocket,

he has great pocket presence, huh?

Being able to move and being able to not telegraph, but understand when that clock is ticking and when it's time to get up out of there.

He can move extremely well within the pocket without having to take sacks.

What about the third down, huh?

The third down, we scrambled.

The D-line ran a stunt.

He was able to get outside of it.

I like, you know what I like the most?

He saw the stunt and took off immediately.

Yes.

Yes.

That's what I like, Ocho.

That's what I like.

Oh, y'all.

Oh, I don't know who's supposed to go first and who's supposed to.

I don't know who's supposed to eat or who's supposed to T.

And I don't know who's supposed to T and who's supposed to eat.

But I'll tell you what, I'm gone.

I'm gone.

Yep.

I'll tell you what, y'all figure it out in film study tomorrow.

But

in the meantime, I'm about to pick up this first.

I'm about to pick up the first down.

He's played himself.

He might have started after four, but after this performance, he can't be number four.

Because here's the fact.

Ocho.

How?

Told us something very, very interesting.

He says, you can lose your job because of injury.

Because let me tell you what's going to happen.

Yeah.

If you get injured and you're out and a guy comes in and he's playing better than you before you got injured, it's his job now.

Ask yourself, was Dylan Gabriel before he got hurt, was he playing better than what you saw Shadur Sanders do tonight?

Kenny Pickett, ask yourself this question.

Was he playing better than what Shadur was, than what Shadur played tonight?

Yeah.

So if you're going to honestly ask us, answer those questions, okay.

Right.

And and the thing about it what people need to understand for those that that are in the chat it's one thing to have joint practices it's one thing to practice against yourself and look good against your players yes scripted on everything is scripted even defensively in those joint practices at time because there's certain things they want to work on defensively and there's certain things that you want to work on offensively when you get into the game nothing Nothing is shared from team to team.

No.

So it's a green light and everything going as if it's a real game.

You're working your scheme, your game plan, and all you have to do is execute it in its simplest form, as simple as preseason games are from an offensive perspective and the way the players are called.

And he did that tonight to a hell of a job, one hell of a job tonight.

And this is just something to continue to build off of.

Clean up.

There were some mistakes, obviously.

There are going to always be mistakes and things you can get better at.

And as you continue to see different looks, you're not going to get many looks obviously it's it's the preseason everything you see defensively will be very vanilla you know cover two sometimes that you might throw in you know man count the plays ocho make the plays count yeah oh and listen he made him count tonight that's what you have to do when you're a low round draft pick ocho me being a no bark

Being a being a low round draft pick, Ocho, you're not going to get the plays that a high-round draft pick is going to get.

So don't go out there thinking that.

But when it's your time, time shine yes

you got to when it's your time shine and that hey you say i don't count time i make time count well i didn't count plays as my brother used to say hey i know you ain't get that many reps keep your head up because one day john elway gonna call for you he's gonna look for you you need to make sure you're ready you need to be make sure you're where you're supposed to be right

shador didn't get a whole lot of reps But when opportunity presents itself, that's what luck is.

It's when preparation meets opportunity.

amundsen said some call it luck

i'm glad you just said what you just said you just said shadur didn't get as many reps as he should have in practice

but he got into a game and what did he do huh right but the reps that he did get in practice he made those count because a lot of times i've seen it i don't know if you've seen it on y'all i've seen guys man i ain't getting no burn man i can't right and then when you get out there you effing up you up yep my bad shadur says hey these one or two reps i might get with the the three the threes and fours right i got to make these counts these got to be my this has got to be my best work of the day yeah because you know wow

it might be my only work of the day yeah

so if it's my only it's got to be my best because this is the only time they're going to see me on tape they see me standing behind and you know hey i'm being positive a good throw a good catch good run good job offensive line good play call coach but at the end of the day i need to get an opportunity to show you what i can do and when the opportunity presents itself that's what luck is preparation meeting opportunity yeah amundsen said some call it luck

hey hey listen i'm i'm happy i'm happy i'm happy for young bull i'm happy for young bull this is one of the few times i can't think of the last time that everyone was excited excited about wanting to watch a cleveland browns game Did you see all them people in the stands with the 12 and with the signs?

Did you see all that old joke?

A Cleveland Browns game.

On the road.

Cleveland don't travel like that.

Trust me.

I was in the same division with them Jokers.

And guess what?

We used to play them.

Same.

Same.

They didn't travel like that.

Yeah.

And they ain't got no reason to travel because they've been bad a long time.

Yeah.

So listen, tonight, we saw a very small sample size.

We saw a very small sample size

of what Shador Sanders can look like.

The fact that he played with the twos, with the threes, maybe against twos and threes.

Yeah, for sure.

I say this to say that.

What happens when he's with the ones having to run that same offense?

Right.

And you and you guess what?

And you go and you game plan.

I'm just calling plays arbitrarily, Ocho.

That's it.

That's all they do tonight.

I'm not game planning.

I'm not game planning because we normally game plan game three.

We go back and now the coaches go back and they look at what they did last season and we script a game plan that's going to be what we think we're going to see on first down, second down, third down, third and short, third and and long,

down and distance area of the field, first and goal, second and goal, third and goal.

Now we're calling plays, not just to arbitrarily call plays, we're calling plays with a purpose, for a purpose.

And eventually they're going to get to that.

But I was impressed.

Look, I understand it's the preseason.

Yeah.

But for someone that didn't get as many reps,

made the reps that he did get, he made them count in practice.

And when he got his opportunity, when opportunity presented itself,

he took full advantage

opportunity presented itself

which is a when the rubber meet the what when the rubber meet the road man

and so uh shouldor should he should he should be proud of himself yes uh you know him being who he is raised how he was raised

supposed to say reared i guess you raise livestock and animals but anyway being

raised how he was raised

he's not gonna be he's not gonna be he's not gonna get he's not gonna get too high, Ocho, because guess what?

Yeah, even kill.

Yeah,

you got to stay even killed.

You know why?

Because not only having to deal with the noise on the outside, that's one thing.

But now you got to deal with the noise on the inside, especially with the owner coming out just last week, saying, that wasn't my pick.

Yeah,

that wasn't my pick.

That's not who I wanted.

Thank you, Mr.

Haslam.

How you doing, Mr.

Haslam?

Make sure Andrew Berry gets all the credit.

Like you said, Brother Haslam, don't smile.

Don't even say anything start with an s he said

don't you say it the nerve the gall i'm a paul

well i'm a david i'm gonna say it one more time

and this is for everybody in the chat if even if you don't like shadour even if you don't like him how do you watch

film

college film on Shadur Sanders and every other quarterback that went before him and see what all of them have done and say, you know what?

No,

I'm a pass over him.

That's not the guy I want.

Right.

New Orleans Saints, Pittsburgh Steelers.

I don't know what other teams that would in need of a quarterback.

How do you do it?

I'm just asking from a person that played the game of football and understanding, I have an eye.

I have an eye.

I played the game for a very long time at a very high level.

I'm not saying I'm a scout, but I know what it's supposed to look like in situations that are not advantageous for you.

I just saw a young fella win at Jackson State, turn a Colorado program around that won one game, regardless of what his record was in his totality, 23 and 12, whatever it may have been.

I know what he can do when you got the right pieces around him.

I know what he can do.

He's a win nerd.

Regardless of what situation you put him in, and he showed it again the night, yet again tonight,

with his back up against the wall yeah

he just has the demeanor to be a quarterback um nothing seems to impact him he doesn't get too high he doesn't get too low he has the utmost confidence in himself and most quarter most the good ones really do no matter how bad and we've seen it no matter how bad it might be going the really good ones you know if it's late in the ballgame they got a chance to beat you yeah

And

Shadur is in the situation where it's like, doesn't make any excuses.

And he always says the right thing.

Listen, it's not as easy as you think to always say the right thing because you're dealing with the human element of it.

The human element of it.

No matter how much you have, no matter how little you have, no matter how good you've been, no matter how bad you've been, you're dealing with the human element of it.

And people have emotions.

People have feelings.

And so sometimes when people lash out and say things like, damn, man, you know, you take the amount of time, but he hears what's being written about him.

Absolutely.

He hears.

He sees.

If he doesn't, he's getting work.

It's getting back to him.

But I just love the way the man kept his head down, closed off his ears, and just did what he was supposed to do.

He went to work.

And

that's how you have to approach it.

Don't get mad.

I ain't trying to prove y'all wrong.

I'm trying to prove me right.

And in the process of proving me right, I'll prove you wrong.

It was a great job.

It was his first outing.

Like I said, those throws,

it wasn't so, it was, it was the throws that he made, Ocho.

Go back and take a look at that overball.

And we see Brock Purdy throw three or four of those a game to IUke.

He used to hit Britt

Debo on those plays.

Yo Kittle on the over.

Look at how he threw that ball, the timing of it.

Do you understand the anticipatory skills you have to have as a quarterback with pressure coming at you?

There was one overthrow he couldn't even see.

Yeah.

Because on the replay, we couldn't even see him.

We just saw the ball come out.

So he's anticipating where the receiver was going to be.

And he just made the throw and put it only where the receiver could catch it.

Yep.

That first touchdown.

You understand?

When people saw the night, I don't think they understand how difficult the game is.

I don't think they understand how difficult the game is, but he made it look like he's been doing it for a very long time.

It's his first time.

It's his first time in an NFL game, but he's used to it.

Chad, look at his mannerisms.

Look how he walk

on the first down.

Okay.

He almost did the watch celebration.

He said, you know what?

I'm going to look at the time, but it ain't time yet.

And just

everything about him and being quarterback number one, just the way he carried himself.

He was ready for the moment.

No matter what they did, no matter what they said, just put me in a situation.

Just hand me the cards.

give me the hand,

and I'm going to play it.

And he did that just exactly how he should tonight.

The hand he was dealt, he played the hand very well.

And it's only going to get better from here.

It doesn't go backwards.

You don't degress.

I'm excited.

And this is coming from a Bengal fan at heart.

I'm excited for the Browns to finally maybe

have the answer at the quarter acquisition after trying 35 35 times over the years.

You know,

man, listen, man, I can go on and on about this, but go ahead.

You got it.

I think the thing is, the biggest thing that an athlete can have is the ability to believe that he belongs.

He or she belongs.

I was a seventh round draft pick.

Shadow was a five.

There was 12 rounds.

When I was a seventh, there were seven rounds.

He's a fifth.

Yeah.

But there is not one point in time that I didn't feel I belong on that field.

Because I saw a lot of these guys at the bowl games.

I saw these guys at combine and I read about them.

And I remember calling my brother at the Eastwood Shrine Gray.

I said, they do not better than me.

They're not better than me.

I don't care what they say.

I remember going to the combine.

I'm like, man, I, you know, you're like, what you think you read?

I say, probably 4-6, 4-7.

I say, but they're not better than me.

They might be faster than me, but they're not better than me.

I belong in the NFL.

And when I went to Denver, all them guys that went before me, I'm like, ain't no way.

I remember asking myself how in the hell did you get drafted before me

yeah

i said but don't worry about it

don't worry about it i said it won't be long

it won't be it was like the cat boy girl she said boy the cat got his tail caught in the washing machine you know what he said ocho he said it won't be long now

He said, she didn't know what he was talking about.

His tail wouldn't be long anymore, or it won't be long before it all be over.

Yes, sir.

Yeah, man.

And when we put them pads on, ocho, yeah,

for I'll never forget because you know, the rookies we went to camp before the vet,

so we would go like a couple days before the vets, so we would already be practicing

in Denver before we headed up to Greeley, right?

I saw them,

they was nervous, ocho, like a long-tailed dog with a porch full of rocking cherries.

You know, if somebody leaned back, it's gonna be on the stage.

Oh, it up, ocho, you don't bother about that.

I saw they were nervous.

I say, oh, yeah, that's that's all I need to see.

Just a little fear, Just a little fear in a man's eyes.

Cause that's my, that's my greatest ability.

Yes.

Another man's fear.

Yeah.

I like it.

I like it.

And listen, I know we've been talking about Shadur, but listen, remember I told you, remember, remember what I told you about the Panthers, right?

Yes.

Remember what I told you about the Panthers?

If there's a dark, hey, chat, stay with me real quick.

If there's a dark horse team.

that I believe in this year that is going to creep up and maybe make it run into the playoffs.

I said it would be the Panthers.

They didn't look bad.

Bryce Young didn't look bad.

Jalen Cover went crazy tonight.

T-Mac, the rookie from Arizona, looked good tonight.

I know Xavier Leggett got thrown out, getting into a little tussle.

Listen, I love the passion.

It's just preseason.

That's fixable.

That's fixable.

But again, look how the Panthers look early in the game.

For those, I know everybody tuned in to Washington Door, but I'm telling you right now.

And I said it first,

someone that's not much of a Panther fan, didn't play for the organization, they owe me nothing

i'm telling you the dark horse team for this season

the carolina panthers bryce young in that receiving quarter i'm telling you watch ohcho i ain't never been that hot

in a preseason game no oh the tussle oh yeah they all dog yeah they were going at it huh they were going at it i i don't really got no tussle in practice bro

because i'll tell you what dan reed is gonna going to say, You fighting, I mean, we ain't working hard enough.

Mike Shanahan says the same thing, right?

We ain't working hard enough, bro.

It ain't like it is now, bro.

Them two hours, two and a half hour practice, man, please, with pads and your head on pads.

Oh, let me take that back, Ocho.

You have on, they call up, see what they call shells with shoulder pads and shorts.

Right?

It's not shells like they call it now.

basically got those little fitted uh styrofoam stuff on that was not shells when when i got in the 90s right shells with shoulder pads pads and shorts shorts yeah

and and you know we hit they they were we hit back then nine on seven was live live yep

team team was a solid thud up

there wasn't no touch the guy on his like two-hand touch oh no

you you you put shoulders on him you put pads on him yeah you bet you better come you better come to balance and be ready I remember Dennis Smith, we call him Kahuna and Atwater.

Man, they come down in that box.

Well, we had thumpers back then.

Oh, yeah, man, please.

Hey, Atwater ain't played, boy.

Don't

water coming down here now.

And Atwater wasn't the thumper like Dennis Smith.

Kahuna was the thumper.

Number 49?

Whoa, whoa, whoa.

More than Atwater?

Yes,

yes, Lord.

Oh, Joe.

I saw that joke.

Hey, at 205, 210.

I saw him sit lineman.

Sit Lyman on their ass.

They pulling.

He ain't never go low.

Right.

Putting that shoulder in their chest and sit them down.

At 210?

At 210.

Damn.

Go back.

If y'all can find it, go back and check the tape.

He hit Roosevelt Potts.

They both ran.

He Potts come through the hole.

He hit him.

He was out cold.

Marion Butts.

Hey, if you're a Charger fan, you know who, back then, Ocho, they had a big, old, big running back.

They had big Marion Butts.

they had rod bernstein they had a big they had joe caravello big joe uh cox i mean they are the tight ends were like the uh 300 pounds offensive line mammoth offensive line yeah kahuna run through them go back and look at that play with dennis smith hit uh uh he had marion butts and he hit uh uh uh roosevelt potts yeah

and you know you know who else was a thumper too remember donovan darius yeah yeah i played against dd double d at uh at jacksonville But that was back in the 90s.

You had Chuck Cecil.

You had Mark Carrier from Chicago.

Yeah.

Boy, back then, it wasn't nothing defenseless about that.

They said, you got him and his shoulder pads.

What the hell you thought was going to happen?

You come across the middle.

Yeah, you're going to get that work.

What?

You're going to get that work.

Rodney Harrison.

Oh.

Rod coming with all four arm every time.

Hey, I say, bro,

hey, Sharp, just stay on my knees.

I say, gotcha.

But boy, we try, boy, we definitely try to hit each other in the mouth.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

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Shadur said all the right things last night as he as expected after a great preseason debut.

Let's take a listen to what Shadur had to say.

I mean, God's patient with us as humans.

We mess up at times, but I don't feel like he throws us away as individuals.

So it's different things and different different life lessons, you know, you got to go through.

And I haven't went through this situation, you know, that I'm in

ever.

So it's really just a test, you know, I feel like from God

or whoever it's from, it's just a test.

But anyway, I'm just thankful that

I was able to see the day of light and get out there and be able to play.

So, you know, they didn't have to let me play.

So anything and everything, you know, is good for me.

So

then, you know, the kids looking up, the kids definitely inspire me, of course.

Of course, more.

So a lot of people incarcerated that definitely talk to their friends to talk to me to tell me my friend from jail was, you know, watching you play and watching everything that's going on.

So it's just like the world, the world, you know, I say it's so small and everybody sees everything.

And I'm thankful to be able to inspire people through everything.

Because a lady just told me now, when I'm having a bad day, I just think about Shador and I'm saying I'm gonna act like Shador you know so like that's so cool you know to me that that I'm some form of inspiration

Shador the only thing I'm gonna disagree with you they had to let you play because everybody else was hurt because you ain't had no choice they if they didn't let you play they brought they brought a guy in they brought in uh huntley because Flacco wasn't going to play and the other two couldn't play.

so but you did your thing

all you could control is what you could control what you could control was how you played how you handle the how you handle the situation that you've been placed in he did it he did very well he did it one hell of a job

and he handled it well he said all the right things he did all the right things uh um and that that's that's control what you can control what you can't control don't worry about it

control what you can control

He went through a storm.

Something he never,

if you'd have told him a year ago, he would be in this situation where he's at right now, he wouldn't have believed it.

His dad wouldn't have believed it.

Nobody, you or I didn't wouldn't have believed it.

Absolutely not.

Based on, based on, but you're here.

Now,

forget how I got here.

How are you going to get out of here?

Yeah.

Because a lot of times, you know, we spend a lot of time time on your man.

How we got into the situation.

You're in the situation now.

How you going to get out of it?

Yeah.

And I think you've done a great job.

Look, you know, I'm sure he talks to his dad.

Even though his dad is not there, he still talks to his dad daily.

Dad gives him great advice.

He doesn't put any more on us than we can handle.

Absolutely not.

And sometimes the situation they put you in, they're not advantageous for you.

It's not the best situation for you because you got people in the situation you're in that don't even believe in you.

And that's when it hurt worse.

Most of the time, if you hear someone, oh, I'm a part of your organization and you say, well, hell, I ain't want you, though.

That's meant to break you.

That's meant to break you.

You don't

break what you didn't build.

You can't break what you didn't create.

Come on, man.

But everybody's not built like that mentally.

You're right.

True.

In this era, true.

In this era of sensitivity, and oh, he said this about me.

And no, everybody's not built for that.

That's meant to break you.

And if they break you mentally, it affects what you do in between the lines on the green grass.

But that's neither here nor there.

He played well.

The small sample size we got to see of Brother Sanders, 12 look good.

He looked good.

You're right, Ojo.

You're right.

Everybody,

I mean,

sometimes

when things are not going your way and you feel it down,

man, it's hard to stay positive.

And I think the best thing for him is that he has a dad that's really positive.

He sees the positivity in everything, even when it's all negativity.

He'll find something positive.

He'll find something good to say.

Thanos

ask Ocho what he wants.

Make him bark.

Make him bark.

Make him bark.

No, no, we don't want that.

I tried to deter him from barking.

And the thing is, I put Titus up, Titus asleep.

So I ain't got to worry about Titus coming here and him growling and going crazy.

Hey, that's a good combination, boy.

And then I took the bones up because him and Teddy.

Fighting over the bones.

He wanted all the bones.

He didn't want Teddy to have none.

So he had three.

I gave each one a bone.

So he had his, and he bargained at Teddy's.

So once I gave him, once I gave him Teddy's, it was all good.

So I just took all three of them because he had two at first.

Teddy just had one.

But he wasn't satisfied with that.

He wanted all three.

So I said, no, we're not going do that.

Oh, you got a little

nigga.

You got a thug on your hands over there, man.

You want to go stay with Ocho?

Hey, yeah.

Come on over here, Thanos.

I'm going to tell you, I'm going to take you down to the city, boy.

They got a dog park downtown.

He said, I can go to the dog park.

He said, you know, I got, you know.

I had a little minor procedure about a month.

Wait, what happened?

He had surgery already?

We all good.

What's wrong with him?

We got it fixed up.

Oh, why you, man?

He said, look,

he said he heard about them child support payments.

He said he ain't want none of that.

Okay.

Okay.

Yeah.

Okay.

Get out there and have a little fun, man.

Yo, them girls, yeah, when they see that.

He said, we ain't having no fun.

But Shadur looked good.

He looked good.

He looked really good last night.

He spoke really good after the game.

And the thing now now is to build,

excuse me, is to build on what he did last night.

He also spoke about gifting teammates some new cleats.

Check this out, Ojo.

Yeah, I'm just excited for all of them.

I gifted a lot of receivers, the

prime DT96s.

You know, a couple of them had them on.

So I just, I just gifted a couple of

the main receivers

going into this game.

You know, I gifted them some cleats.

Some wore them, some didn't, but I was like, okay, this is just my little appreciation gift to them because they don't be having a lot in stock.

So I couldn't, I couldn't do everybody.

I wish I could.

But

yeah,

it's great.

Hey, the ones he won the game were dope.

Yeah, those are

the

orange lining, like for the brown scheme.

Yeah, they was nice.

They were nice.

I think also.

as a receiver, but for me, I wouldn't want a cleat that heavy.

No, the Deion cleats, I mean, they're heavy.

Based on the way they're made, I want a lightest shoe as possible.

So, I mean, they look good.

Time could have been out there in Tim's and running.

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

But

it all depends.

I was a, you know, I wore a

TD bottom.

Okay.

So I wore wide receiver cleats at

the ankles.

So you, so you was, you was, you was good.

That was.

Yeah, because because i'm a hard planner me even though i'm a hard planner on it's funny reebok obviously was reebok back back then i had reebok take all the lining out of my shoe i don't want any support i want my shoe to be just like a track shoe

just like a track shoe i need to feel the floor I need to feel the floor when I stop, when I go, when I try to cut and transition, I don't want anything restricting my ankles

when it's time for my lateral movement and movements.

so all i had was a shell some shoelaces and cleats at the bottom that's it

yeah that's it

but you always wore a molded bob you didn't you didn't you you wore a tempo bob yeah you did you did we yeah

you didn't wear seven stars i had to have a choice but to wear seven studs when we played in heinz field i think they let the field be messed up like that on purpose

yeah the biggest

It's like, I don't know.

I don't know.

That was an advantage for them.

The advantage for them.

But yeah, that's the only time I wore seven stars this moment played at Heinz Field.

There's a video that's been making its way around courtesy of Bucky.

It's him confronting Brown's reporter Tony Grossi for not having anything positive to say.

Ocho,

let's take a look at this video.

I've been hoping you got something positive to say about me.

You only say negative positive.

And I'm like, I ain't do nothing to you.

I ain't seen nothing positive that you've ever said.

I've been somebody like everything.

Come on, Tony.

What do I do?

What do I do, Tony?

Hey, that's dope, Monk.

I like it.

I like it because most of the time those interactions like that, that's not how they go when it comes to players.

Most of the time, when it comes to a beat reporter that's been um established for that long as a cleveland beat reporter you know when it comes to saying something negative most of the time the player challenges him in that manner because you've never said anything positive and i could just imagine i haven't read any of the articles and i could just imagine if the rest of the world has been somewhat negative towards shador i could imagine what the person that's in house that sees him every day writes

So the fact that they were able to do it with a smile, with class, with grace, and and understanding, well, God damn, do you have anything nice to say?

Because everything I've seen so far has been negative.

I did nothing to you.

But obviously, the dude had the job to do.

You understand how to get the views.

You have to understand negativity, negativity, it will create traction, clickbait.

How can I get people to read what I'm writing?

Well, you're talking negative about the biggest thing going on right now in Cleveland outside of LeBron James when he was there.

Right now, Shador Sanders.

Robert Lattelle, Black Sports Online.

Grossie has been like this for 30 years.

Baker couldn't handle it.

Couldn't, I guess he's saying Baker could not have handled it.

Shadur disarmed him in 60 seconds and changed his energy.

That's a gift not all people have for negative people.

Hey, listen,

they'll smile in your face.

They'll smile in your face,

obviously, at that point and in that moment with Shadur greeting him the way he did with class, with grace.

But God damn, are you going to say anything?

I'm just waiting on you to say something nice.

Something.

Yeah.

So the guy has no, I mean, what can you say?

Especially after that performance.

What can you say?

And I know people are going to say, oh, it's the preseason.

Oh, it's a small sample size.

Let's see what he does in the regular season.

I mean, it's still, this is all we have to go off.

So we're talking about what we saw in that specific case in that moment.

I'm curious to what he wrote today because I'm sure he has something to say today.

Look,

I think it's different for a quarterback because, you know, the eyes are all on you.

But I really never had no problem.

I was a seventh-round draft pick.

I wasn't supposed to be ish anyway.

So, anything that I gave, anything that I gave him 20 catches, I was good.

But as I got, you know, I had never had a problem with Mark Kisler, never had a problem with Woody Page.

I never had a problem with who else?

Jim Armstrong.

He was a columnist when I was there.

He was with the Indy Star.

Now,

I forget his name.

Sheft and I got to Denver at the same time.

Adam Shefton was a reporter in Denver.

Yeah.

Boy, Shefty been at this thing for a minute, boy.

Oh, yeah.

Who's the guy?

Buck

for the Indy Star.

Nah, he's the columnist.

He's the big guy.

Doyle?

Uh-huh.

No, no, no, no, no, no.

Who's the big?

But he was in Denver when I was there.

The first half.

I hate when I can't.

up Scott Harmon.

Nope.

Come on, Deborah.

Help me.

I know y'all in the chat.

Hey, somebody in the chat say Teddy look, I mean, Thanos looked like a skunk.

His colorway.

Teddy.

I mean, Thanos.

I ain't talking.

I want to learn how to whistle like this.

Huh?

You know how to whistle like this, huh?

No.

It should be loud as hell.

I want to learn how to do that.

Probably too late now.

Well, damn, I can't.

It's too...

I got it's a certain age, age grade.

Why are you trying to whistle like that?

I just, I just never, I just, I don't know.

I'm going to a NASCAR event soon, and I want to be able to make sure I can whistle like that at the NASCAR event.

I'm going to

take the,

oh, yeah, yeah.

Remember, I told Bubba, I told Bubba I was coming, so I'm actually coming.

We got everything aligned, so I'm going down there.

I got my, I got my, my flannel, my cut-off sleeves, I got my jorts.

I'll be serious.

I got my jorts.

I'm ready.

The only problem is I don't drink as long as they got hot dogs, and I'm having my Coke with no ice, two hot dogs.

Nice little date

with my lady friend.

I know she's probably watching.

Man, what's that guy?

I can't think of his name, man.

Hey, chat, I got a poem.

Y'all want to hear it or you want to save it for later?

We're going to save it for later.

I'll think about it.

Yeah.

Kevin Stefanski was asked what Shadura's big game does for the depth chart for the Browns.

His response was, yeah, we're really just focused on developing our players.

We're in evaluation modes.

I'm pleased where the guys are, but I'm not diving into no quarterback competition.

You got to.

You got to keep it safe.

You don't have a choice but to keep it safe.

You don't have a choice but to keep it safe.

There's not much you can say.

He's not in a position to really say anything.

You can't make any evaluations based off what you saw tonight.

Listen,

brother Stefanski,

he doesn't even have the power to be able to give the green light on what he wants to do

he doesn't have the power to give the green light on what he wants to do it's going to come it's going to come down to upper those upstairs

but i think it's going to come to a point where certain individuals are going to play so well they're not going to have a choice

they're not going to have a choice but i know one thing i can tell you this a blind man can see that joe flacco will be the starter for the foreseeable future until things aren't going well offensively for the Cleveland Browns.

And I'm assuming, as I said long ago, that Shadu would be number two.

And he's been able to show that.

I hope, hopefully, Kenny Pickett and Dylan Gabriel can get healthy.

So they should showcase themselves in the preseason games and

what they can and can't do.

And

that's it.

I'm hoping it's a good, healthy quarterback battle once they get back healthy.

so you think it's going to be his job you think he's going to be the number two yeah actually i said i said that

yeah i said i said that

man this ocho you ever you like

want to think of something and you can't think of it

I get mad.

I just would have, now I just be wanting to go to bed.

I don't even want to go to the bottom.

of you can't think of the guy's last name.

Yeah, man.

It's driving me crazy

Whatever

I'm gonna have to call Mike Cliss tomorrow

Man, what's that dude's name?

He's gonna come to you

Ugh Thanos, you know his name

He says look I'm not even a year old.

I won't even be a year old until December.

So clearly, I don't know who he's talking about.

NFL insider says Shadura Sanders still stands behind Dylan Gabriel for the Browns coaches.

Gabriel is ahead of Sanders in the eye of the coaching staff, but rarely in training camp has that position matched what we've seen on the field.

The quarterback situation remains the story of camp, and

Sanders is settling in.

to lead three scoring drives in the most extended action of the summer won't make the team's consistent stance that Sanders is fourth in a line any less perplexing.

No reasonable person thinks Sanders will be fully ready to lead a team and consistently attack a complicated defense three weeks from now.

He's shown enough talent and growth, however, to make anyone believe he should be on the team and have a chance to develop into a starting quality player.

Sanders is talented.

His throw out of the end zone to wide receiver Greg Labardin in the preseason opener and his floater down the sideline to receiver Luke Floria later are proof.

Until we see Sanders get practice reps with the number one offense, we can't believe the Browns view him as having much of a shot to be the number two when the season began.

I agree with what they're saying, but that's my point is,

okay, you said,

have we seen enough?

Have you seen enough of Dylan?

What have you seen from Dylan Gabriel to make you think he can be number two?

Did you hear?

Did you, who the, excuse me, who wrote that?

The Browns Athletic Insider.

The Browns Athletic Insider.

The Browns Athletic Insider, right?

Yep.

So you see Shadur do what he does.

Three quarters of football.

Three, I think, maybe, maybe he played well into the fourth quarter, right?

Yeah, I think so.

So in a live game, you saw him play the way he played and still questioned if he can do the same thing when he has the actual starters at his disposal.

I'm confused.

My thing is, he says no reasonable person thinks Sanders will be fully ready to lead a team and consistently attack a complicated NFL defense three weeks from now.

What about Dylan Gabriel?

Has he shown you enough to make them believe that three weeks from now he can lead this team against a complicated defense.

I digress even further.

Has Kenny Pickett ever shown you

that he can lead a team against a complicated defense?

Because all I know is what I keep hearing is what you're telling me what he can't do.

Like my coach just says, College, hey, we'll put it, find something that he can do.

See, you keep telling me what Shadura can't do.

Well, your job as a coach is to put players in position and find something that they can do.

Wait a minute, but where's the can't coming from when we just saw him do it?

I know it's a small sample size.

It's three quarters of football, but everything you say they can't do, he just did.

Matter of fact, he just did what we already saw him do at Jackson State.

He just did what we saw him do at Colorado.

We just did, even though it's a small sample size.

Uncle I played the game for a very long time.

Yep.

I played the game for a very long time.

I'm a receiver.

I know what it's supposed to look like.

I know what it looks like when there's a quarterback that's playing in a game and he's confident, he's polished, his pocket presence, his mannerisms.

I know what it should look like.

We've seen Kenny Pickett with the Steelers.

If he was the answer for Cleveland, he would have been the answer in Pittsburgh.

What's the question you're asking?

Because

if Kenny Pickett is the answer, I need to know the question.

Did he play for the University of Pittsburgh?

Yes.

i i don't you know what i don't i don't know what more i don't i i don't know what more listen when you when you when you fill out your resume right when you fill out your resume and you're going for that job interview

you want to put your best foot forward yeah you want to keep a lasting impression correct well the lasting impressions with what we saw friday night from the person they claim is the fourth is the fourth string quarterback yeah

yeah what do we do we build from that on saturday

well you build from that no you build from that starting in practice by giving him more reps more quality reps you don't leave him in the position that he was in where he's getting a handful of reps with the threes and fours you give him some opportunities with the ones with the twos i'm not saying you he has to take five six reps with the ones but i'm saying you sprinkle maybe you give him one or two reps maybe you give him three or four reps with the twos i do agree with this until we see sanders get practice reps with the number one offense, we can't believe the Browns view him as having much of a shot to be number two when the season begins.

True.

I do agree with that statement.

You're not going from four to two.

If you four training camp, then all of a sudden the season start, you're number two.

They're going to need to see you with the ones and twos to feel comfortable because they got to make a decision.

And when you make that decision, you release somebody, ain't no guarantee that you're going to be able to bring them back and put them on your practice squad.

Somebody might sign them and put them on the active roster.

So that's the case, Ocho.

Do I stay on your practice squad for say 25, 30,000 or do I go somewhere and get an opportunity to get a real roster spot and make almost a million dollars a year?

So that's the question that you have.

That's a decision that you make when you release these guys.

Cause I'm sure there are some guys, you know, I would love to have him have another year learning our system.

And when we come back next year, having a

the OTAs, the training camp, the season of working scout team stuff, when we come back for otas ocho he should be good to go he should be fully developed and good to go so i don't want people thinking i'm that we're beat ocho now beating up on zach jackson i agree with what he's saying but my thing i'm more talking about the browns as a as as an organization as a coaching staff

are you

are you am are Because the fans are saying, you want us to believe you or our lying eyes.

I know, I know, i know what my eyes i saw i know what i saw i hear what you say it um but i see better than i hear come on now y'all keep telling us dylan gabriel dylan gabriel but we have yet to see him now everything that i see is that no he's you know she's not better than shadur for most of the articles that i've been reading and hey people can write whatever they want to write so i'm i don't want to put too much emphasis but i haven't seen i haven't read a whole lot that where they say that dylan gabriel is better has been played has played better or is playing better than shador what did i tell you what did i look what did i tell you not too long ago yeah about how camp look yeah i'm not i'm not saying no names again this time because i i don't want to get nobody in no trouble

what did i tell you yeah and then exactly what that individual said who's in there every day that plays on the other side of the ball and has to see it exactly what he said way back then we saw it show up.

The fact that he's not getting first team reps with the ones or the the twos and still went out there and looked the way he did.

What does that tell you?

He's getting marginal reps to begin with.

Damn the ones and twos, Ocho.

He's barely getting reps at all.

And then stick.

Okay, I'll say no more.

Again,

say no more.

So you're not doing him justice in practice, but still showed up in the game and looked apart and looked like that.

What does that say?

But we're going to see Saturday.

And I hope Delaney Gabriel gets his opportunity because I would love to see what he does and then what he gives that offense and that coach of staff that believes in him.

I'm hoping he gets a fair shot.

I'm hoping he does.

I'm hoping he does.

I would love to see it.

I would love to see it.

I know he's a competitor.

He was great at Oregon.

He was really good.

So

I'm all for it.

Yeah, it's

let the guy like

it's like when you're in that situation, the guy flashes.

Normally, when guys flashes in camp, ojo, you and I both played the NFL for a long time.

We both played at a high level.

Yes, sir.

Every team that I've been on, when a guy flashes in practice, a guy flashes in the game,

he gets to move up and he gets meaningful reps, more meaningful reps.

Meaning he's no longer on the third or fourth.

They'll sneak some reps in with the twos.

Maybe they'll give him one or two shots with the ones.

That's normally how it works.

They're not so set in their ways that it's like, oh, we just see this guy as it's kind of like TD.

I'll give you prime example.

TD was a guy.

TD was a six-round draft pick.

TD was probably like the fifth or the sixth running back.

But every day, he made that play on kickoff.

And every day you saw TD get a little better.

They gave him a little bit more reps.

And so all of a sudden, he'd go from six to five, from five to four, four to two

after the first game of the season td won yeah

normally that's how it plays out guys show you in the game

because when guys flashing practice ojo you're thinking to yourself

i wonder if he do that in the game

hell coach put his hands in the game let's see what he could do Right.

That's normally how it happened.

Wade Phillips, our defensive coordinator

That's how I got in the game.

He said Dan put his ass in the game.

Let's see if they can cover him because we can't

Dan like okay They put my ass in the game.

Yeah.

Well Shadur I think Shadur showed you something that he deserving I'm not saying he needs to you need to implement him as the starter, the number one OJ We didn't say that.

That's not what we're saying.

But I think he's shown you enough Friday to says, you know what, we might need to give him some more quality reps with guys that's going to be playing on Sunday.

And let's see him facing the number one defense, Miles Garrett, those guys over there.

But let's give him Jerry Judy.

Let's give him Njoku.

Let's see

if he can replicate some of that, what he did on Friday, with the ones today.

Yeah.

That's all we're saying.

And can I say one more thing?

Go ahead.

One thing.

If you can do what he did without getting the practice reps

in a game,

without the number ones around him,

things only get easier when you have the ones at your disposal that are better at the position.

Cedric Tillman and Joku,

Jerry Jr.,

it only becomes easier, Unk.

It doesn't get more difficult.

Now, once you're playing against a team that schemes for you and disguises and does all the stuff, you know, with a game planning for you, okay, that's different.

Then you just have to process a little bit faster.

Yeah.

That's all.

But it takes it's vanilla.

They line up and they just go.

That's exactly how it is.

But Ocho, you get better at something by doing said thing.

Yes.

Exactly.

You heard what you just said?

You get better at something by doing said thing.

But he wasn't doing said thing because he did

and still looked the way he did.

I agree.

I agree.

They don't view it that way.

They, that organization, they don't view it that way.

How?

I don't know.

I don't know.

But I'm guessing

in the direction in which they're going, I'm hoping they're right.

They haven't been right in the 35 quarterback that they tried previously.

But maybe I'm wrong.

No,

I just think I do believe that he's earned the right

to get quality reps with the ones and twos.

I'm not saying that you implement him, that now he's QB1.

I'm not saying he's QB2.

But I think he's earned that opportunity.

I know one thing.

I know one thing.

They better put a statue of Andrew Berry outside that goddamn stadium.

Tell you that.

Listen, I can already foresee how it's going to go.

I already know how it's going to go.

I can already see it.

They're going to continue to play, continue to play, continue to play, put everybody in front of them, continue to play.

And then when his opportunity presents itself, like it did because of injury, he looked a certain way.

You can't deny it.

No.

You can't deny it.

No matter what you try to do, you can't deny it.

You can't.

Ojo

and Cleveland doing this.

Sometimes a man can make his destiny on the very road he took to avoid it.

Sometimes you might, they might even have their quarterback, even though they tried to avoid giving him the opportunity.

Come on, man.

Come on, man.

On the very road you took to avoid it, you found your destiny.

I just'm not saying I'm general manager.

I'm not saying I'm a player personnel director.

I just know that when guys flash.

Go back to Tom Brady.

They kept four quarterbacks that year.

Yeah.

Coach Belichick said that he saw something in Tom that said if he got more of an opportunity, he might be okay.

He didn't know he was going to be this.

Hell, if he knew he was going to be that, somebody would have taken him in the first, the first pick in the draft.

Right.

But he flashed enough.

Guys, you know, late-round picks, okay.

Like he's showing something.

He just, sometimes you just need time.

Sometimes you need more opportunity.

You know,

looking at Trey Lance, Trey Lance, like

he needed time.

Time, which the 49ers didn't have.

The 49ers are on the clock.

They got to win now with the roster that they have.

They're not in rebuild.

Well, the Cleveland,

I mean, you just gave a guy $140 million.

He's under the assumption.

Now, he played it both ways.

You know, I want out.

Y'all not winning.

Got his money.

Hey.

but what are y'all what are y'all doing are y'all in rebuild or you're trying to win because y'all see who is in y'all division

lamar jackson and and joe burrow now lamar jackson is 27 28

he gonna got he got another five to ten years in baltimore joe burrow might be a year younger than lamar he's got another five to ten years in cincinnati

Well, while y'all playing musical chairs with quarterbacks, they've identified their guy and he's going to be there for almost a decade.

You're not beating a team that has an established quarterback playing musical chairs with quarterbacks.

No.

Uh-uh.

Not at all.

Not at all.

Listen,

it's exciting.

It's exciting.

And listen, even

as a Bengal fan, as a Bengal player at heart,

it's enjoyable to be talking about the Brown.

It's enjoyable, huh?

It's exciting.

It's exciting

for Brown fans.

I mean, when's the last time you had a player of this magnitude who's a rookie that has you guys in the national spotlight that this?

Right.

At all times.

Basically, yeah, you got to go back to Johnny football.

Oh, hey, boy, Johnny.

Boy, Johnny was special, boy.

Yeah.

Johnny was special, boy.

He was special.

So it's,

we'll see.

It'll be interesting to see when they go out to practice today.

I mean, excuse me, today.

Tomorrow,

what comes back?

What type of reps did Shadur get?

Did he get reps with the ones?

Did he get a rep or two with the ones?

Did he get anything with the twos?

Or was he back relegated to being the fourth quarterback and getting one rep with the with the Fords or no reps or just getting side work?

That's going to be the tail.

That's going to tell us, Ocho.

Yeah.

Because what they're talking and what's actually happening,

we'll find out.

Yeah.

We'll find out.

And we'll see what they well, how they play this thing out on Saturday when they play the game.

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