Best of Shedeur Sanders Mania Part 2: Unc & Ocho GO OFF on Shedeur Sanders NFL Debut!

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Speaker 21 Shador shines in his first preseason game, 11 of 19, 103 yards passing. Two TDs.
You know, Coach Prime was fired up. Time, yes, Law.
Yes, Shador Sanders. Oh, yeah, what now, Coach Prime? God is good.

Speaker 21 Shout out to Coco Butter Brothers for sending us this video. LeBron James even weighed in.
That young king looking good out there, Shador Sanders.

Speaker 21 Keep going up, head down, and grind and head high to the most and head high to the most high. Jordan Schultz, text from a high-ranking AFC North executive on the Browns rookie.

Speaker 21 Shador Sanders. It's early, but wow, actually shocked how good he looks.
Nike football, when you get your opportunity, create the next one. Only matter of time.

Speaker 22 Yeah.

Speaker 21 Ocho.

Speaker 22 Yeah.

Speaker 21 We could look, we could pick two plays, oh Joe. Well, damn, he missed the Sam Strong safety blitz.
Well, he had a guy ride over to the flat on second and 18 and he skipped the ball to him.

Speaker 21 But you saw that overroute that Brock Purdy throws so well in the San Francisco offense. You see him fit the ball into those tight, those small windows.

Speaker 21 Did you see him on the move throw that touch pass? Now, the receiver made a great one-handed catch, but did you see the touch?

Speaker 22 Yes.

Speaker 21 So take off, go ahead.

Speaker 22 Listen,

Speaker 22 I wanted to see what Shadur would look like in a situation that wasn't advantageous to him. He didn't get any reps

Speaker 22 as many reps as he should to prepare himself, to be prepared for a game like this of this magnitude. Dylan Brooks hurt.
Kenny Pickett hurt. Joe Flacco not playing.

Speaker 22 So the cards that he was dealt to go into this game, can you be a leader of men?

Speaker 22 Can you go in calm,

Speaker 22 show a presence of leadership, run the team, command the team,

Speaker 22 show that

Speaker 22 regardless of who's around you, you can still conduct yourself like quarterback one.

Speaker 22 He was calm, under pressure, went through his progressions, made some great throws, had some errant throws. You know, obviously that's what film is for.
That's what the precedent is for.

Speaker 22 The fix the nooks and the crannies to get him out.

Speaker 22 He looked like he belonged huh he looked different he did and andrew berry you made the right call there's a reason that you wanted him there's no reason he should have dropped as far as he did you cannot tell me as any scout of those 32 teams that didn't need a starting quarterback but those that needed a quarterback and were in need of one watch film on Shadur Sanders and what he did at Jackson State and what he did at Colorado and say, you know what?

Speaker 22 No, that's not my guy. The quote you just read from the scout in the AFC North: if you watch film, what did you expect him to look like?

Speaker 22 He looked exactly like he looked in Colorado. He looked exactly like he looked at Jackson State.
Calm under pressure, in the pocket,

Speaker 22 going through progressions, making the right throws.

Speaker 22 That's what we expected to see.

Speaker 21 What they expected to see and what some hope to see might be two entirely different things talk to me now

Speaker 21 hope man i show hope man i show hope this happens man

Speaker 21 versus ex expect to see what i wanted to see

Speaker 21 i wanted to see exactly what you what you wanted to see i want to see could he play with poise Could he throw the ball with conviction? Could he be decisive? Could he go through his progressions?

Speaker 21 The pocket collapses. Could he take off? He showed me some of everything.

Speaker 21 The over route threw it on timing. Guy in his face.
Led him boom. Dropped me right in the bucket.
He fit those balls. A.
Pressure in his face. The second touchdown.
Pressure in his face.

Speaker 21 The first touchdown. The corner slumps off.
The flat. The safety is hugging him.
He fits it in. Gets it in.
Boom. On the move.
The touch pass over the top.

Speaker 21 As I mentioned at the top, the receiver did make a great play, but Shador had a nice loft. That's not an easy throw to make.

Speaker 21 He was impressive tonight. Very impressive.

Speaker 21 And a lot of people, they were in the chat last night. Let's see what Shadur does.
Let's see what Shadur does. Well,

Speaker 22 hold on, huh. You know what they're going to say now? Oh, it's the preseason.
Oh, he's not playing against their starters. Oh, he's playing against the

Speaker 21 starters either.

Speaker 22 Well,

Speaker 22 hello.

Speaker 21 I didn't see Jerry Judy. I didn't see Njoku.
I didn't see the starting offensive line.

Speaker 22 No, Cedric Tillman. So this is what I have to say to those who are going to have another excuse.
They're going to move the goalposts, right?

Speaker 22 They're going to move the goalposts and say, well, he wasn't going against the Panther starters.

Speaker 22 Well, obviously, if he's not going against the Panther starters, or if he doesn't have his starters as well, and what he has at his disposal and look that good with the twos and threes and maybe the fours that are trying to make the team, what do you think is going to happen when he has the main characters in there around him?

Speaker 22 Right. That makes your job a little bit easier.

Speaker 22 That are a little bit better at their position than those that he's playing with tonight. What do you think is going to happen?

Speaker 21 Well, they can try to boot a goal post, but I ain't trying to kick a field goal or a PAT, so I'm going to score anyway. And Shadur Sanders scored tonight.

Speaker 21 I'm going to give credit where it's due: 14 to 23, 138 yards, two touchdowns, no interception. He got two sacks.
Like I said, we can nitpick a couple of things.

Speaker 21 Yeah, it's the strong safety, the Sam strong safety blitz. Problem like, you know what? But it looked like he was telling the guy, bro.
I need you to hook up on that.

Speaker 21 You probably not going to be able to outrun the safety. Lamar Jackson, hold on to the ball a little longer because he could outrun the safety.
Josh Allen, same thing. That's not Shadur.

Speaker 21 Shadur is not a mobile quarterback. He's going to do all most, the majority of his damage is going to be in the pocket, Ocho.
Tom Brady.

Speaker 21 I'm not saying he's Tom Brady, but he has the athleticism. That's not what he's known for.
Go ahead, Ocho.

Speaker 22 This is the thing. What he lacks in athleticism and inability to get out the pocket,

Speaker 22 he has great pocket presence, huh?

Speaker 22 Being able to move and being able to not telegraph, but understand when that clock is ticking and when it's time to get up out of there right he can move extremely well within the pocket without having to take sacks what about the third down huh the third down when he scrambled

Speaker 22 the d-line ran a stunt he was able to get outside of it

Speaker 21 i like you know what i like the most he saw the stunt and took off immediately yes yes that's what i like ocho that's what i like oh y'all oh i don't know who's supposed to go first and who's supposed to i don't know who's supposed to eat or who's supposed to t and i don't know who's supposed to T, right.

Speaker 21 But I'll tell you what, I'm gone.

Speaker 22 I'm gone. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 21 Y'all, I'll tell you what, y'all figured out in film study tomorrow. But

Speaker 21 in the meantime, I'm about to pick up this first with this. Uh,

Speaker 21 I'm about to pick up the first down.

Speaker 21 Uh,

Speaker 21 he's played himself. He might have started after four, but after this performance, he can't be number four.

Speaker 21 Because here's the fact, oh, Joe,

Speaker 22 it's impossible.

Speaker 21 He told us something very, very interesting.

Speaker 21 He says, you can lose your your job because of injury because let me tell you what's going to happen yeah if you get injured and you're out and a guy comes in and he's playing better than you before you got injured is his job now ask yourself was dylan gabriel before he got hurt was he playing better than what you saw shadour sanders do tonight kenny pickett ask yourself this question was he playing better than what should

Speaker 21 than what shadour played tonight yeah

Speaker 21 so if you're gonna honestly ask us, ask, answer those questions. Okay.

Speaker 22 Right. And the thing about it, what people need to understand, for those that are in the chat, it's one thing to have joint practices.

Speaker 22 It's one thing to practice against yourself and look good against your players.

Speaker 22 Everything is scripted, even defensively, in those joint practices at times, because there's certain things they want to work on defensively, and there's certain things that you want to work on offensively.

Speaker 22 When you get into the game, nothing, nothing is shared from team to team.

Speaker 21 No.

Speaker 22 So it's a green light and everything going as if it's a real game. You're working your scheme, your game plan, and all you have to do is execute it in its simplest form.

Speaker 22 As simple as preseason games are from an offensive perspective and the way the players are called. And he did that tonight to a hell of a job.
One hell of a job tonight.

Speaker 22 And this is just something to continue to build off of. Clean up.
There were some mistakes. Obviously, there are going to always be mistakes and things you can get better at.

Speaker 22 And as you continue to see different looks, you're not going to get many looks. Obviously, it's the preseason.
Everything you see defensively will be very vanilla, you know, cover two.

Speaker 22 Sometimes you might throw in, you know, man.

Speaker 21 Make count the plays, Ocho. Make the plays count.

Speaker 22 Yeah. Oh, and listen, he made him count tonight, huh?

Speaker 21 That's what you have to do when you're a low-round draft pick, Ocho. Me being a, no, Bart.

Speaker 21 Being a low-round draft pick, Ocho, you're not going to get the plays that a high-round draft pick pick is going to get. No, no.
So don't go out there thinking that. But when it's your time, shine.

Speaker 22 Yes.

Speaker 21 You got to. When it's your time, shine.
And that, hey, you say, I don't count time, I make time count. Well, I didn't count plays.
As my brother used to say, hey, I know you ain't get that many reps.

Speaker 21 Keep your head up. Because one day John Elwig is going to call for you.
He's going to look for you. You need to make sure you're ready.
You need to make sure you're where you're supposed to be.

Speaker 22 Right.

Speaker 21 Shadur didn't get a whole lot of reps. But when opportunity presents itself, that's what luck is.
It's when preparation meets opportunity. Amundsen says some call it luck.

Speaker 22 I'm glad you just said what you just said. You just said Shadur didn't get as many reps as he should have in practice.

Speaker 22 But he got into a game and what did he do, huh?

Speaker 21 Right. But the reps that he did get in practice, he made those count.
Because a lot of times, I've seen it. I don't know if you've seen it, Orchard.
I've seen guys, man, I ain't getting no burn, man.

Speaker 21 I can't. Right.
And then when you get out there, you effing up.

Speaker 22 You fucking up. Yep.
My bad.

Speaker 21 Shadur says, hey, these one or two reps I might get with the three, the threes and fours. Right.
I got to make these counts. These got to be my, this has got to be my best work of the day.
Yeah.

Speaker 21 Because you know why, Ocho? It might be my only work of the day.

Speaker 22 Yeah.

Speaker 21 So if it's my only, it's got to be my best because this is the only time they're going to see me on tape. They see me standing behind and, you know, hey, I'm being positive.

Speaker 21 Hey, good throw, a good catch, good run, good job offensive line, good play call coach. But at the end of the day, I need to get an opportunity to show you what I can do.

Speaker 21 And when the opportunity presents itself, that's what luck is, preparation meeting opportunity. Amundsen said, some call it luck.

Speaker 22 Hey, hey, listen,

Speaker 22 I'm happy for young bull. I'm happy for young bull.
This is one of the few times, I can't think of the last time that everyone was excited.

Speaker 22 excited about wanting to watch a Cleveland Browns game.

Speaker 21 Did you see all them people in the stands with the 12 and with the signs? Did you see all that old joke?

Speaker 22 A Cleveland Browns game.

Speaker 21 On the road. Cleveland don't travel like that.
Trust me. I was in the same division with them Jokers.
And guess what? We used to play them.

Speaker 22 Same.

Speaker 21 Same.

Speaker 21 They didn't travel like that. Yeah.
And they ain't got no reason to travel because they've been bad a long time.

Speaker 22 Yeah. So listen, tonight, we saw a very small sample size.
We saw a very small sample size. Yes.
of what Shador Sanders can look like.

Speaker 22 The fact that he played with the twos, with the threes, maybe against twos and threes. Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 22 I say this to say that.

Speaker 22 What happens when he's with the ones having to run that same offense?

Speaker 21 Right.

Speaker 21 And you, and you guess what? And you go and you game plan. I'm just calling plays arbitrarily, OJO.
That's it. That's all they do tonight.
I'm not game planning.

Speaker 21 I'm not game planning because we normally game plan game three.

Speaker 21 We go back and now the coaches go back and they look at what they did last season and we script a game plan that's going to be what we think we're going to see on first down second down third down third and short third and long this down and distance area of the field first and goal second and goal third and goal now we're calling plays not just to arbitrarily call plays we're calling plays with a purpose for a purpose and eventually they're going to get to that um but i was impressed look i understand it's the preseason yeah but for someone that didn't get as many reps right made the reps that he did get he made them count in practice and when he got his opportunity, when it opportunity presented itself,

Speaker 21 he took full advantage. Tom Brady, opportunity presented itself.

Speaker 22 Which is, hey, when the rubber meet the what?

Speaker 21 When the rubber meet the road, man.

Speaker 21 And so Shador,

Speaker 21 he should be proud of himself. Yes.

Speaker 21 You know, him being who he is, raised how he was raised.

Speaker 21 I'm supposed to say reared. I guess you raise livestock and animals, but anyway,

Speaker 21 raised how he was raised,

Speaker 21 he's not going to be, he's not going to be, he's not going to get, he's not going to get too high, ojo, because guess what? Yeah, even kill. Yeah,

Speaker 22 you got to stay even killed. You know why? Because not only having to deal with the noise on the outside, that's one thing.

Speaker 22 But now you got you got to deal with the noise on the inside, especially with the owner coming out just last week.

Speaker 22 That wasn't my pick.

Speaker 21 Yeah,

Speaker 21 that wasn't my pick. That's not who I wanted.

Speaker 21 Yeah, how you doing, Mr. Haslam?

Speaker 22 Make sure Andrew Berry gets all the credit. Like you said, Brother Haslam, don't smile.

Speaker 22 Don't even don't say anything start with an S.

Speaker 21 He said.

Speaker 21 Don't you say shh.

Speaker 21 Don't you say it.

Speaker 22 The nerve, the gall. I'm a Paul.

Speaker 21 Well, I'm a David. I'm going to say it one more time.

Speaker 22 And this is for everybody in the chat.

Speaker 22 Even if you don't like Shadur,

Speaker 22 even if you don't like him, how do you watch film,

Speaker 22 college film on Shadur Sanders and every other quarterback that went before him and see what all of them have done and say you know what no

Speaker 22 I'm gonna pass over him that's not the guy I want right New Orleans Saints Pittsburgh Steelers

Speaker 22 I don't know what other teams that would in need of a quarterback how do you do it

Speaker 22 I'm just asking from a person that played the game of football and understanding I have an eye I have an eye

Speaker 22 I played the game for a very long time at a very high level I'm not saying I'm a scout, but I know what it's supposed to look like in situations

Speaker 22 that are not advantageous for you.

Speaker 22 I just saw a young fella win at Jackson State, turn a Colorado program around that won one game, regardless of what his record was in his totality, 23 and 12, whatever it may have been.

Speaker 22 I know what he can do when you got the right pieces around him.

Speaker 22 I know what he can do. He's a win nerd, regardless of what situation you put him in.
And he showed it again tonight, yet again tonight.

Speaker 22 With his back up against the wall.

Speaker 21 Yeah.

Speaker 21 He just has the demeanor to be a quarterback.

Speaker 21 Nothing seems to impact him. He doesn't get too high.
He doesn't get too low. He has the utmost confidence in himself.
And most quarter, most the good ones really do, no matter how bad.

Speaker 21 And we've seen it. No matter how bad it might be going, the really good ones, you know, if it's late in the ballgame, they got a chance to beat you.

Speaker 21 And Shadur is in the situation where it's like, doesn't make any excuses. And he always says the right thing.

Speaker 21 Listen, it's not as easy as you think to always say the right thing because you're dealing with the human element of it.

Speaker 21 The human element of it. No matter how much you have, no matter how little you have, no matter how good you've been, no matter how bad you've been, you're dealing with the human element of it.

Speaker 21 And people have emotions, people have feelings.

Speaker 21 And so sometimes when people lash out and say things like, damn, man, you know, you take the amount of time, but he hears what's being written about him. Absolutely.

Speaker 21 He hears, he sees. If he doesn't, he's getting work.
It's getting back to him.

Speaker 21 But I just love the way the man, he kept his head down, closed off his ears, and just did what he was supposed to do. He went to work.

Speaker 21 And that's how you have to approach it. Don't get mad.
I ain't trying to prove y'all wrong. I'm trying to prove me right.
And in the process of proving me right, I'll prove you wrong.

Speaker 21 It was, it was a great job. It was his first outing.
Like I said, those throws, it was the throw.

Speaker 21 It wasn't so, it was, it was the throws that he made, Ocho. Go back and take a look at that overball.
And we see Brock Purdy throw three or four of those a game to IUke. He used to hit Britt

Speaker 21 Debo on those plays. Yo Kittle on the over.

Speaker 21 Look at how he threw that ball, the timing of it.

Speaker 22 Do you understand the anticipatory skills you have to have as a quarterback with pressure coming at you?

Speaker 22 There was one overthrow he couldn't even see.

Speaker 21 Yeah.

Speaker 22 Because on the replay, we couldn't even see him. We just saw the ball come out.
So he's anticipating where the receiver was going to be.

Speaker 22 And he just made the throw and put it only where the receiver could catch it.

Speaker 21 Yep.

Speaker 21 That first touchdown. You understand?

Speaker 22 People saw tonight. I don't think they understand how difficult the game is.

Speaker 22 I don't think they understand how difficult the game is, but he made it look like he's been doing it for a very long time. It's his first time.

Speaker 22 It's his first time in an NFL game, but he's used to it. Oh, Chad, look at his mannerisms.
Look how he walk

Speaker 22 on the first down. Okay, he almost did the watch celebration.
He said, you know what? I'm going to look at the time, but it ain't time yet. And just, oh, just everything about him

Speaker 22 and being quarterback number one, just the way he carried himself.

Speaker 22 He was ready for the moment.

Speaker 22 No matter what they did, no matter what they said, just put me in a situation. Just hand me the cards.
Give me the hand.

Speaker 22 And I'm going to play it. And he did that just exactly how he should tonight.
The hand he was dealt, he played the hand very well. And it's only going to get better from here.
It doesn't go backwards.

Speaker 22 You don't degress.

Speaker 22 I'm excited. And this is coming from a Bengal fan at heart.

Speaker 22 I'm excited for the Browns to finally maybe

Speaker 22 have the answer at the quarter acquisition after trying 35 times over the years

Speaker 21 you know i i man listen man i can go on and on about this but go ahead you got it i think the thing is the biggest thing that an athlete can have is the ability to believe that he belongs he or she belongs

Speaker 21 i was a seventh round draft pick shadow was a five there was 12 rounds when i was a seventh there were seven rounds he's a fifth yeah but there is not one point in time that i didn't feel i belong on that field because I saw a lot of these guys at the bowl games, I saw these guys at combine, and I read about them.

Speaker 21 Yeah, and I remember, I remember calling my brother at the Eastwood Shrine Gray. I said, He does not better than me,

Speaker 21 they're not better than me. I don't care what they say.

Speaker 22 Yeah,

Speaker 21 I remember going to the combine, they're like, Man, I, you know, you're like, What you think you read? I say, probably 4-6, 4-7. I say, but they're not better than me.

Speaker 21 They might be faster than me, but they're not better than me.

Speaker 21 I belong in the NFL. And when I went to Denver, all them guys that went before me, I'm like, ain't no way.

Speaker 21 I remember asking myself, how in the hell did you get drafted before me?

Speaker 22 Yeah.

Speaker 21 I said, but don't worry about it.

Speaker 21 Don't worry about it. I said, it won't be long.

Speaker 21 It won't be long. It was like the cat boy girl.
You say, boy, the cat got his tail caught in the washing machine. You know what he said, Ocho? He said, it won't be long now.

Speaker 21 He said, she didn't know what he was talking about. His tail wouldn't be long anymore, or it won't be long before it all be over.
yes sir yeah man and when we put the pads on ocho yeah

Speaker 21 for i'll never forget because you know the rookies we went to camp before the vets so we would go like a couple of days before the vets so we would already be practicing right

Speaker 21 at the in denver before we headed up to greeley right

Speaker 21 i saw them

Speaker 21 they was nervous ojo like a long-tailed dog with a porch full of rocking chairs you know somebody leaned back and it's gonna be on the chair ocho you don't bother about that

Speaker 21 i saw they were nervous nervous. I say, oh, yeah.

Speaker 21 That's all I need to see. Just a little fear.
Just a little fear in a man's eyes. Because

Speaker 21 that's my greatest ability.

Speaker 22 Yes.

Speaker 21 Another man's fear.

Speaker 22 Yeah.

Speaker 22 I like it. I like it.
And listen, I know we've been talking about Shadur, but listen, remember I told you, remember what I told you about the Panthers, right?

Speaker 21 Yes.

Speaker 22 Remember what I told you about the Panthers?

Speaker 22 If there's a dark, hey, chat, stay with me real quick.

Speaker 22 If there's a dark horse team that I believe in this year that is going to creep up and maybe make it run into the playoffs, I said it would be the Panthers. They didn't look bad.

Speaker 22 Bryce Young didn't look bad. Jalen Coker went crazy tonight.
T-Mac,

Speaker 22 the rookie from Arizona, looked good tonight. I know Xavier Leckett got thrown out, getting into a little tussle.
Listen, I love the passion. It's just preseason.
That's fixable. That's fixable.

Speaker 22 But again, look how the Panthers look early in the game. For those, I know everybody tuned in to Washington Dura, but I'm telling you right now, and I said it first,

Speaker 22 Someone that's that's not much of a Panther fan, didn't play for the organization, they owe me nothing.

Speaker 22 I'm telling you, the Dark Horse team for this season,

Speaker 22 the Carolina Panthers, Bryce Young, and that receiving quarter.

Speaker 22 I'm telling you, watch.

Speaker 21 Oh, Cho, I ain't never been that hot

Speaker 21 in a preseason game. No,

Speaker 21 the tussle? Oh, yeah. They all dogs.

Speaker 22 They were going at it, huh?

Speaker 21 They were going at it.

Speaker 21 I don't really got no tussle practice, bro.

Speaker 21 Because I'll tell you what, Dan Reed's going to say, you fighting, that means we ain't working hard enough. Mike Shanahan says the same thing.
We ain't working hard enough.

Speaker 21 Bro, it ain't like it is now, bro. Them two hour, two and a half hour practice, man, please, with pads and your hat on pads.

Speaker 21 Oh, let me take that back, Ocho. You have on, they call it, see what they call shells with shoulder pads and shorts.

Speaker 21 It's not shells like they call it now. Basically, you got those little fitted styrofoam stuff on.
That was not shells when when i got in the 90s right shelves with shoulder pads and shorts shorts yeah

Speaker 21 and and you know we hit they they were we hit back then nine on seven was live live yep

Speaker 21 team team was a solid thud up there wasn't no touch the guy on his like two-hand touch oh no

Speaker 21 you you you put shoulders on him you put pads on him yeah you bet you better come to you better come to balance and be ready i remember dennis smith uh we call him Kahuna and Atwater.

Speaker 21 Man, they come down in that box.

Speaker 21 Boy, we had thumpers back then. Oh, yeah.
Man, please.

Speaker 22 Hey, Atwater ain't played, boy. Don't talk about Atwater coming down here now.

Speaker 21 And Atwater wasn't the thumper like Dennis Smith. Kahuna was the thumper.
Number 49?

Speaker 22 Whoa, whoa, whoa. More than Atwater?

Speaker 21 Yes,

Speaker 21 yes, Lord.

Speaker 21 Oh, Joe. I saw that joke.
Hey, at 205, 210, I saw him sit lineman. Sit Lyman on the ass.
They pulling. He ain't never go low.

Speaker 22 Right.

Speaker 21 Sitting that shoulder in their chest and sit him down.

Speaker 22 At 210?

Speaker 21 At 210.

Speaker 21 Dang.

Speaker 21 Go back. If y'all can find it, go back and check the tape.
He hit Roosevelt Potts.

Speaker 21 They both ran. Potts come through the hole.
He hit him.

Speaker 22 He was out cold.

Speaker 21 Marion Butts. Hey, if you're a Charger fan, you know who, back then, Ocho, they had a big, old, big running back.
They had big Marion Butts. They had Rod Bernstein.

Speaker 21 They had a big, they had Joe Caravello, big Joe Cox. I mean,

Speaker 21 the tight ends were like 300 pounds. Offensive line, Mammoth offensive line.

Speaker 22 Yeah.

Speaker 21 Kahuna run through them. Go back and look at that play with Dennis Smith.

Speaker 21 He had Marion Butts and he hit Roosevelt Potts.

Speaker 22 Yeah.

Speaker 22 And

Speaker 22 you know who else was a thumper too?

Speaker 22 Remember Donovan Darius?

Speaker 21 Yeah, yeah, I played against DD Double D at uh at Jacksonville, but that was back in the 90s. You had Chuck Cecil, you had Mark Mark Carrier from Chicago.

Speaker 21 Yeah, boy, back then, it wasn't nothing defenseless about that. They say you got him and his shoulder pads.
What the hell you thought was gonna happen? You come across the middle.

Speaker 22 Oh, yeah, you're gonna get that work.

Speaker 22 What you're gonna get that work,

Speaker 21 uh, Rodney Harrison.

Speaker 22 Oh, Rod coming with Rod coming with all four arms every time.

Speaker 21 Hey, I say, bro, hey, hey, shark, just stay on my knees. I say, gotcha.
But boy, we tried, boy, we definitely tried to hit each other in the mouth. Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah. Hey, Dr.
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Speaker 21 Shadur said all the right things last night as he as expected at the great preseason debut. Let's take a listen to what Shadur Shadura had to say.

Speaker 30 I mean, God's patient with us as humans. We mess up at times, but I don't feel like he throws us away as individuals.

Speaker 30 So it's different things and different life lessons, you know, you got to go through.

Speaker 30 And I haven't went through

Speaker 30 this situation, you know, that I'm in ever. So it's really just a test, you know.
I feel like from God,

Speaker 30 or whoever it's from, it's just a test. But anyway, I'm just thankful that

Speaker 30 I was able to see the day of light and get out there and be able to play. So, you know, they didn't have to let me play.
So anything and everything, you know, is good for me. So

Speaker 30 then, you know, the kids looking up, the kids definitely inspired me, of course, of course, more.

Speaker 30 So a lot of people incarcerated that definitely talk to their friends to talk to me to tell me my friend from jail was, you know, watching you play and watching everything that's going on.

Speaker 30 So it's just like the the world the world you know i say is so small and everybody sees everything and i'm thankful to be able to inspire people through everything because a lady just told me now when i'm having a bad day i just think about shador and i'm saying i'm gonna act like shador you know so like that's so cool you know to me that that that i'm some form of inspiration

Speaker 21 jador The only thing I'm going to disagree with you is they had to let you play because everybody else was hurt.

Speaker 21 Because you ain't had no choice they if they didn't let you play they brought they brought a guy in they brought in uh huntley because flacco wasn't gonna play and the other two couldn't play

Speaker 21 so but you did your thing

Speaker 21 all you could control is what you could control what you could control was how you played how you handle the how you handle the situation that you've been placed in He did it.

Speaker 22 He did very well. He did it one hell of a job.

Speaker 21 And he handled it well. He said all the right things.
He did all the right things.

Speaker 21 And that's control what you can control. What you can't control, don't worry about it.

Speaker 21 Control what you can control.

Speaker 21 He went through a storm. Something he never,

Speaker 21 if you'd have told him a year ago, he would be in this situation. Where he's at right now, he wouldn't have believed it.
His dad wouldn't have believed it. Nobody, you or I didn't have believed it.

Speaker 22 Absolutely not. Based on,

Speaker 21 but you're here.

Speaker 21 Now,

Speaker 21 forget how I got here.

Speaker 21 How are you going to get out of here?

Speaker 22 Yeah.

Speaker 21 Because a lot of times, you know, we spend a lot of time with your man.

Speaker 21 How we got into the situation. You're in the situation now.
How are you going to get out of it?

Speaker 22 Yeah.

Speaker 21 And I think he's done a great job. Look.
You know, I'm sure he talks to his dad. Even though his dad is not there, he still talks to his dad daily.

Speaker 21 Dad gives him great advice.

Speaker 21 He doesn't put any more on us that we can have. Absolutely not.

Speaker 22 And sometimes the situation they put you in, they're not advantageous for you. It's not the best situation for you because you got people in the situation you're in that don't even believe in you.

Speaker 22 And that's when it hurts worse. Most of the time, if you hear someone,

Speaker 22 Oh, I'm a part of your organization and you say, well, hell, I ain't want you, though.

Speaker 22 That's that's meant to break you.

Speaker 22 That's meant to break you.

Speaker 21 You don't

Speaker 21 break what you didn't build. You can't break what you ain't creative.
Come on, man.

Speaker 22 But everybody's not built like that mentally.

Speaker 21 You're right. True.

Speaker 22 In this era,

Speaker 22 in this era of sensitivity and, oh, he said this about me. And no, everybody's not built for that.
That's meant to break you.

Speaker 22 And if they break you mentally, it affects what you do in between the lines on the green grass.

Speaker 22 But that's neither here nor there.

Speaker 21 He played well.

Speaker 22 The small sample size we got to see of Brother Sanders, 12 look good.

Speaker 22 He looked good.

Speaker 21 You're right, Ojo. You're right.
Everybody,

Speaker 21 I mean,

Speaker 21 sometimes

Speaker 21 when things are not going your way and you feel it down,

Speaker 21 man, it's hard to stay positive.

Speaker 21 And I think the thing, the best thing for him is that he has a dad that's really positive. He sees the positivity in everything, even when it's all negativity.
He'll find something positive.

Speaker 21 He'll find something good to say.

Speaker 22 Danos.

Speaker 21 Ask OJo what he wants.

Speaker 22 Make him bark. Make him bark.
Make him bark.

Speaker 21 No, no, we don't want that. I tried to deter him from barking.

Speaker 21 And the thing is, I put Titus up. Titus asleep.
So I ain't got to worry about Titus coming here and him growling and going crazy.

Speaker 22 Hey, that's a good combination, boy.

Speaker 21 And then I took the bones up because him and Teddy...

Speaker 22 Fighting over the bones?

Speaker 21 He wanted all the bones. He didn't want Teddy to have none.
So he had three. I gave each one a bone.

Speaker 21 So he had his and he bargained bargained at teddy's so once i gave him once i gave him teddies it was all good so i just took all three of them because it gave he had two at first teddy just had one but he wasn't satisfied with that he wanted all three so i said no we're not gonna do that oh you got a little

Speaker 21 we're gonna take we're gonna take the bones up

Speaker 22 on your hands over there man

Speaker 22 you want to go stay with ocho hey yeah come on over here thanos i'm gonna tell you i'm gonna take you down to the city boy

Speaker 22 huh they got a dog they got a dog park downtown.

Speaker 21 He said, I can go to the dog park. He said, You know, I got, I got, you know, I had a little model procedure about a month.

Speaker 22 Wait, what happened? He had surgery already?

Speaker 21 We all good.

Speaker 22 What's wrong with him?

Speaker 21 We got it. We got him fixed up.

Speaker 22 Oh, why you, man?

Speaker 21 He said, look.

Speaker 21 He said he heard he heard about them child support payments. He said he ain't want one of that.
Okay. Okay.
Yeah.

Speaker 22 Okay.

Speaker 22 Get out there and have a little fun, man.

Speaker 22 Yep.

Speaker 22 Yeah, when they see that up.

Speaker 21 He's like, we ain't having no fun. But Shadur looked good.
He looked good. He looked really good last night.
He spoke really good after the game. And the thing now is to build,

Speaker 21 excuse me, is to build on what he did last night.

Speaker 21 He also spoke about gifting teammates some new cleats. Check this out, OJo.

Speaker 30 Yeah, I'm just excited for all of them.

Speaker 30 I gifted a lot of receivers the prime DT96s. You know, a couple of them had them on.
So I just gifted a couple of

Speaker 30 the main receivers

Speaker 30 going into this game. You know, I gifted them some cleats.
Some won them, some didn't. But I was like, okay, this is just my little appreciation gift to them.

Speaker 30 Because they don't be having a lot in stock. So I couldn't do everybody.
I wish I could. But,

Speaker 21 yeah,

Speaker 30 it's great.

Speaker 22 Hey, the ones he won the game were dope.

Speaker 21 Yeah, those were the ones you talked about.

Speaker 22 They had the orange lining, like for the brown scheme cut away. Yeah, they was nice.
They were nice. I think also, as a receiver, well, for me, I wouldn't want a cleat that heavy.

Speaker 22 No, the Deion cleats, I mean, they're heavy, even based on the way they're made. I want a lightest shoe as possible.
So, I mean, they look good.

Speaker 21 Time could have been out there in Tim's and running.

Speaker 21 Absolutely.

Speaker 22 Absolutely.

Speaker 21 Absolutely.

Speaker 21 But

Speaker 21 it all depends.

Speaker 21 I was a, you know, I wore a

Speaker 21 TD bottle. Okay.

Speaker 21 So I wore wide receiver cleats at

Speaker 21 your ankles.

Speaker 22 So you, so you was, you was, it was good.

Speaker 21 That was like you're just, yeah, because I'm a hard planner.

Speaker 22 Me, even though I'm a hard planner, Unc, it's funny. Reebok, obviously, was Reebok back then.
I had Reebok take all the lining out of my shoe. I don't want any support.

Speaker 22 I want my shoe to be just like a track shoe.

Speaker 22 Just like a track shoe. I need to feel the floor.
I need to feel the floor. When I stop, when I go, when I try to cut and transition, I don't want anything restricting my ankles

Speaker 22 when it's time for my lateral

Speaker 22 and movements. So all I had was a shell, some shoelaces, and cleats at the bottom.
That's it.

Speaker 22 That's it.

Speaker 21 But you always wore a molded bob.

Speaker 21 You wore a tempo bob. Yeah,

Speaker 21 you didn't wear seven stars.

Speaker 22 I had to have a choice but to wear seven stars. When we played at Heinz Field, I think they let the field be messed up like that on purpose.

Speaker 21 Yeah, the big reason for that. My goodness.

Speaker 22 It's like, I don't know. I don't know.
That was an advantage for them.

Speaker 22 The advantage for them. But yeah, that's the only time I wore seven studs is when we played at Heinz Field.

Speaker 21 There's a video that's been making its way around courtesy of Bucky. It's him confronting Brown's reporter Tony Grossi for not having anything positive to say.
Ocho, let's take a look at this video.

Speaker 21 I'll be hoping you be positive on me. Tony, I've been hoping you got something positive to say.

Speaker 21 You only say negative stuff positive.

Speaker 21 And I'm like, I ain't do nothing to you.

Speaker 21 I ain't seen nothing positive.

Speaker 21 I think I'm positive everything.

Speaker 21 Come on, Tony.

Speaker 21 What do I do? What do I do to you, Tony?

Speaker 22 Hey, that's dope, Monk. I like it.
I like it. Because most of the time, those interactions like that, that's not how they go when it comes to players.

Speaker 22 Most of the time, when it comes to a beat reporter that's been

Speaker 22 established for that long as a Cleveland beat reporter, you know, when it comes to saying something negative, most of the time, the player challenges him in that manner.

Speaker 22 Because you've never said anything positive. And I could just imagine, I haven't read any of the articles.

Speaker 22 And I could just imagine if the rest rest of the world has been somewhat negative towards Shador. I could imagine what the person that's in-house that sees him every day writes.

Speaker 22 So, the fact that they were able to do it with it with a smile, with class, with grace, and understanding, well, goddamn, do you have anything nice to say?

Speaker 22 Because everything I've seen so far has been negative, I did nothing to you.

Speaker 22 But obviously, the dude had the job to do, you understand how to get the views,

Speaker 22 you have to understand negativity. Negativity, it would create traction, clickbait.
How can I get people to read

Speaker 21 what I'm writing?

Speaker 22 Were you talking negative about the biggest thing going on right now in Cleveland outside of LeBron James when he was there? Right now, Shadur Sanders.

Speaker 21 Robert Lattel,

Speaker 21 Black Sports Online.

Speaker 21 Grossi has been like this for 30 years. Baker couldn't have handled it.
Couldn't, I guess he's saying Baker could not have handled it. Shadur disarmed him in 60 seconds and changed his energy.

Speaker 21 That's a gift not all people have for negative people.

Speaker 22 Hey, listen,

Speaker 22 they'll smile in your face. They'll smile in your face,

Speaker 22 obviously, at that point and in that moment with Shadur greeting him the way he did with class, with grace. But God damn, are you going to say anything? I'm just waiting on you to say something nice.

Speaker 22 Something. Yeah.

Speaker 22 So the guy has no, I mean, what can you say? Especially after that performance.

Speaker 22 What can you say? And I know people are going to say, oh, it's the preseason. Oh, it's a small sample size.
Let's see what he does in the regular season.

Speaker 22 I mean, it's still, this is all we have to go off. So we're talking about what we saw in that specific case in that moment.

Speaker 22 I'm curious to what he wrote today, because I'm sure he has something to say today.

Speaker 21 Look,

Speaker 21 I think it's different for a quarterback. Because, you know, the eyes are all on you.
But I really never had no problem. I was a seventh round draft pick.
I I wasn't supposed to be ish anyway. So

Speaker 21 anything that I gave him 20 catches, that was good. But as I got, I never had a problem with Mark Kisler, never had a problem with Woody Page.

Speaker 21 I never had a problem with, who else? Jim Armstrong.

Speaker 21 He was a columnist when I was there.

Speaker 21 He was with the Indy Star. Now,

Speaker 21 I forget his name.

Speaker 21 Shafter and I got to Denver at the same time.

Speaker 21 Adam Shifton was a reporter in Denver, yeah.

Speaker 22 Boy, Shefty has been at this thing for a minute, boy.

Speaker 21 Oh, yeah. Who's the guy?

Speaker 21 Buck

Speaker 21 for the Indy Star.

Speaker 21 Bar Guy. Nah, he's the columnist.
He's the big guy.

Speaker 21 Uh-huh.

Speaker 21 No, no, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 21 Who's the big?

Speaker 21 But he was in Denver when I was there, the first half.

Speaker 21 I hate when I can't.

Speaker 14 I didn't

Speaker 21 come on, Denver. Help me.
I know y'all in the chat.

Speaker 22 Hey, somebody in the chat say Teddy look. I mean, Thanos looked like a skunk.
His colorway.

Speaker 22 Teddy.

Speaker 22 I mean, Thanos.

Speaker 21 I ain't talking.

Speaker 22 I want to learn how to whistle like this.

Speaker 22 You know how to whistle like this, huh?

Speaker 22 No. It should be loud as hell.
I want to learn how to do that.

Speaker 21 Probably too late now.

Speaker 22 Well, damn, I can't. It's too, I got, it's a certain age, age,

Speaker 21 age.

Speaker 21 Are we, why are you trying to whistle like that down?

Speaker 22 I just, I just never, I just, I don't know. I'm going to a NASCAR event soon, and I want to be able to make sure I could whistle like that at the NASCAR event.

Speaker 22 I'm going to, they'll take the,

Speaker 22 oh, yeah, yeah. Remember, I told Bubba, I told Bubba I was coming, so I'm actually coming.
We got everything aligned, so I'm going down there.

Speaker 22 I got my flannel, my cut-off sleeves. I got my jorts.

Speaker 22 I'm serious. I got my jorts.

Speaker 22 I'm ready. The only problem is I don't drink.
As long as they got hot dogs, and I'm gonna have my Coke with no ice, two hot dogs. Nice little date

Speaker 22 with my lady friend. I know she's probably watching.

Speaker 21 Man, what's that guy?

Speaker 21 I can't think of his name, man.

Speaker 22 Hey, chat, I got a poem. Y'all want to hear it or you want to wait.
You want to save it for later?

Speaker 21 We're going to save it for later.

Speaker 21 I'll think about it.

Speaker 21 Yeah.

Speaker 21 Kevin Stefanski was asked what Shadura's big game does for the depth chart for the Browns. His response was, yeah, we're really just focused on developing our players.

Speaker 21 We're in evaluation modes. I'm pleased where the guys are, but I'm not diving into no quarterback competition.

Speaker 22 You got to. You got to keep it safe.
You don't have a choice but to keep it safe.

Speaker 22 You don't have a choice but to keep it safe there's just not much you can say he's not in a position to really say anything you can't make any evaluations based off what you saw tonight listen

Speaker 22 brother stefanski

Speaker 22 he doesn't even have the power to be able to give the green light on what he wants to do

Speaker 22 he doesn't have the power to give the green light on what he wants to do it's going to come it's going to come down to upper those upstairs

Speaker 22 but i think it's going to come to a point where certain individuals are going to play so well, they're not going to have a choice.

Speaker 22 They're not going to have a choice. But I know one thing.
I can tell you this. A blind man can see that.

Speaker 22 Joe Flacco will be the starter for the foreseeable future until things aren't going well offensively for the Cleveland Browns.

Speaker 22 And I'm assuming, as I said long ago, that Shadu would be number two. And he's been able to show that.

Speaker 22 I hope, hopefully, Kenny Pickett and Dylan Gabriel can get healthy so they should showcase themselves in the preseason games and what they can, what they can and can't do. And

Speaker 22 that's it. I'm hoping it's a good, healthy quarterback battle once they get back healthy.

Speaker 21 So you think it's going to be his job? You think he's going to be the number two? Yeah,

Speaker 22 I said that.

Speaker 22 Yeah, I said that.

Speaker 21 Man,

Speaker 21 Ocho, you ever you like

Speaker 21 want to think of something and you can't think of it?

Speaker 21 I get mad.

Speaker 21 I just would want, now I just be wanting to go to bed. I don't even want to go to bed.

Speaker 22 You can't think of the guy's last name.

Speaker 21 Yeah, man. It's driving me crazy.

Speaker 21 Whatever.

Speaker 21 I'm going to have to call Mike Cliff tomorrow.

Speaker 21 Man, what's that dude?

Speaker 22 He's going to come to you.

Speaker 21 Ugh. Thanos, you know his name?

Speaker 21 He says, look, I'm not even a year old. I won't even be a year old until December.
So clearly, I don't know what you're talking about.

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Speaker 21 NFL Insider says Shadur Sanders still stands behind Dylan Gabriel for the Browns coaches.

Speaker 21 Gabriel is ahead of Sanders in the eye of the coaching staff, but rarely in training camp has that position matched what we've seen on the field.

Speaker 21 The quarterback situation remains the story of camp, and

Speaker 21 Sanders is settling in to lead three scoring drives in the most extended action of the summer won't make the team's consistent stance that Sanders is fourth in a line any less perplexing.

Speaker 21 No reasonable person thinks Sanders will be fully ready to lead a team and consistently attack a complicated defense three weeks from now he's shown enough talent and growth however to make anyone believe he should be on the team and have a chance to develop into a starting starting quality player sanders is talented his throw uh out of the uh end zone to wide receiver greg labardin uh in the preseason over opener and his floater down the sideline to receiver luke Floria later are proof.

Speaker 21 Until we see Sanders get practice reps with the the number one offense. We can't believe the Browns view him as having much of a shot to be the number two when the season began.

Speaker 21 I agree with what they're saying, but that's my

Speaker 21 point is,

Speaker 21 okay, you said,

Speaker 21 have we seen enough? Have you seen enough of Dylan? What have you seen from Dylan Gabriel to make you think he can be number two?

Speaker 22 Did you hear? Did you, who the, excuse me, who wrote that? The Browns Athletic Insider.

Speaker 21 The Browns Athletic Insider.

Speaker 22 The Browns Athletic Insider, right? Yep. So you see Shadur do what he does.

Speaker 21 Three quarters of football.

Speaker 22 Three. I think maybe he played well into the fourth quarter, right?

Speaker 21 Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 22 So, in a live game, you saw him play the way he played and still questioned if he can do the same thing when he has the actual starters at his disposal.

Speaker 22 I'm confused.

Speaker 21 My thing is, he says no reasonable person thinks Sanders will be fully ready to lead a team and consistently attack a complicated NFL defense three weeks from now.

Speaker 21 What about Dylan Gabriel? Has he shown you enough to make them believe that three weeks from now he can lead this team against a complicated defense?

Speaker 21 I digress even further. Has Kenny Pickett ever shown you

Speaker 21 that he can lead a team against a complicated defense?

Speaker 21 Because all I know is what I keep hearing is what you're telling me what he can't do. Like my coach just said, College, but hey, we'll put it, find something that he can do.

Speaker 21 See, you keep telling me what Shaduar can't do. Well, your job as a coach is to put players in position and find something that they can do.

Speaker 22 Wait a minute, but where's the can't coming from when we just saw him do it? I know it's a small sample size.

Speaker 22 It's three quarters of football, but everything everything you say they can't do, he just did. Matter of fact, he just did what we already saw him do at Jackson State.

Speaker 22 He just did what we saw him do at Colorado.

Speaker 22 We just did, even though it's a small sample size. Uncle I played the game for a very long time.

Speaker 21 Yep.

Speaker 22 I played the game for a very long time. I'm a receiver.
I know what it's supposed to look like. I know what it looks like when there's a quarterback that's playing in a game.

Speaker 22 And he's confident. He's polished.
His pocket presence, his mannerisms,

Speaker 22 I know what it should look like. We've seen Kenny Pickett with the Steelers.
If he was the answer for Cleveland, he would have been the answer in Pittsburgh.

Speaker 21 What's the question you're asking?

Speaker 21 Because

Speaker 21 if Kenny Pickett is the answer, I need to know the question. Did he play for the University of Pittsburgh? Yes.

Speaker 22 I don't know what more.

Speaker 22 I don't know what more. Listen,

Speaker 22 when you fill out your resume, right? When you fill out your resume and you're going for that job interview,

Speaker 22 you want to put your best foot forward. You want to keep a lasting impression.
Correct. Well, the lasting impression is what we saw Friday night from the person they claim is

Speaker 22 the fourth string quarterback. Yeah.

Speaker 22 Yeah, what do we do? We build from that. On Saturday.

Speaker 21 Well, you build from that. No, you build from that starting in practice by giving him more reps, more quality reps.

Speaker 21 You don't leave him in the position that he was in where he's getting a handful of reps with the threes and fours. You give him some opportunities with the ones, with the twos.

Speaker 21 I'm not saying he has to take five, six reps with the ones, but I'm saying you sprinkle, maybe you give him one or two reps. Maybe you give him three or four reps with the twos.
I do agree with this.

Speaker 21 Until we see Sanders get practice reps with the number one offense, we can't believe the Browns view him as having much of a shot to be number two when the season begins. True.

Speaker 21 I do agree with that statement.

Speaker 21 You're not going from four to two if you four training camp then all of a sudden the season starts you're number two yeah they're going to need to see you with the ones and twos to feel comfortable because they got to make a decision

Speaker 21 and when you make that decision you release somebody ain't no guarantee that you're going to be able to bring them back and put them on your practice squad

Speaker 21 Somebody might sign them and put them on the active roster. So that's the case, Ocho.

Speaker 21 Do I stay on your practice squad for say 25, 30,000 or do I go somewhere and get an opportunity to get a real roster spot and make almost a million dollars a year?

Speaker 21 So that's the question that you have.

Speaker 21 That's the decision that you make when you release these guys, because I'm sure there are some guys, you know, I would love to have him have another year learning our system.

Speaker 21 And when we come back next year, having a...

Speaker 21 the OTAs, the training camp, the season of working scout team stuff, when we come back for OTAs, Ocho, he should be good to go. He should be fully developed and good to go.

Speaker 21 So I don't want people thinking that we're beat Ocho and I beating up on zach jackson i agree with what he's saying but my thing i'm more talking about the browns as a as as an organization as a coaching staff

Speaker 21 are you

Speaker 21 are you am are because the fans are saying you want us to believe you or our lying eyes

Speaker 21 I know, I know, I know what my eyes, I saw, I know what I saw, I hear what you saying,

Speaker 21 but I see better than I hear.

Speaker 22 Come on now.

Speaker 21 Y'all keep telling us Dylan Gabriel, Dylan Gabriel, but we have yet to see him now everything that i see is that no he's you know she's not better than shadour for most of the articles that i've been reading and hey people can write whatever they want to write so i'm i don't want to put too much emphasis but i haven't seen i haven't read a whole lot that where they say that dylan gabriel is better has been played has played better or is playing better than shadour what did i tell you what did i what did i tell you not too long ago yeah about how camp look yeah i'm not i'm not saying no names again this time because i i don't want to get nobody in no trouble

Speaker 22 what did i tell you yeah

Speaker 22 and then exactly what that individual said who's in there every day that plays on the other side of the ball and has to see it exactly what he said way back then we saw it show up the fact that he's not getting first team reps with the ones or the twos and still went out there and looked the way he did what does that tell you he getting marginal reps to begin with damn the ones and twos ocho he barely getting reps at all.

Speaker 22 And then stick.

Speaker 22 Okay, I'll say no more.

Speaker 22 Again,

Speaker 22 say no more.

Speaker 22 So you're not doing him justice in practice, but still showed up in the game and looked apart and looked like that.

Speaker 22 What does that say?

Speaker 22 But we're going to see Saturday.

Speaker 22 And I hope Delaney Gabriel gets his opportunity because I would love to see what he does and then what he gives that offense and that coach of staff that believes in him.

Speaker 22 I'm hoping he gets a fair shot. I'm hoping he does.

Speaker 22 I'm hoping he does. I would love to see it.
I would love to see it. I know he's a competitor.
He was great at Oregon. He was really good.

Speaker 22 So

Speaker 22 I'm all for it.

Speaker 21 Yeah, it's

Speaker 21 let the guy like

Speaker 21 it's like when you're in that situation, the guy flashes. Normally when guys flashes in camp, Ojo, you and I both played the NFL for a long time.
We both played at a high level. Yes, sir.

Speaker 21 Every team that I've been on, when a guy flashes in practice, a guy flashes in the game,

Speaker 21 he gets to move up and he gets meaningful reps, more meaningful reps, meaning he's no longer on the third or fourth. They'll sneak some reps in with the twos.

Speaker 21 Maybe they'll give him one or two shots with the ones.

Speaker 21 That's normally how it works. They're not so set in their ways that it's like, oh, we just see this guy as, it's kind of like TD.
I'll give you a prime example. TD was a guy.

Speaker 21 TD was a six-round draft pick. TD was probably like the fifth or the sixth running back.

Speaker 21 But every day, he made that play on kickoff. And every day you saw TD get a little better.
They gave him a little bit more reps.

Speaker 21 And so all of a sudden, he'd go from six to five, from five to four, four to two.

Speaker 21 After the first game of the season, TD won.

Speaker 22 Yeah.

Speaker 21 Normally, that's how it plays out. Guys show you in the game

Speaker 21 because when guys flashing practice, OJo, you're thinking to yourself,

Speaker 21 I wonder if he does that in the game.

Speaker 21 Hell, Coach, put his ass in the game. Let's see what he could do.

Speaker 22 Right.

Speaker 21 That's that's that's normally how it happened. Wade Phillips, our defensive coordinator,

Speaker 21 that's how I got in the game. He said, Dan, put his ass in the game.
Let's see if they can cover him because we can't.

Speaker 21 Damn like, okay, they put my ass in the game.

Speaker 22 Yeah.

Speaker 21 Well, Shadur, I think Shadur showed you something that he deserving. I'm not saying he needs to, you need to implement him as the starter, the number one OJ.
We didn't say that.

Speaker 21 That's not what we're saying. But I think he's shown you enough Friday to says, you know what? We might need to give him some more quality reps.

Speaker 21 with guys that's going to be playing on Sunday. And let's see him facing the number one defense, Miles Garrett, those guys over there.
But let's give him Jerry Judy. Let's give him Njoku.
Let's see

Speaker 21 if he can replicate some of that, what he did on Friday, with the ones today.

Speaker 21 Yeah. That's all we're saying.

Speaker 22 And can I say one more thing?

Speaker 21 Go ahead.

Speaker 22 One thing.

Speaker 22 If you can do what he did, without getting the practice reps

Speaker 22 in a game

Speaker 22 without the number ones around them.

Speaker 22 Things only get easier when you have the ones at your disposal that are better at the position. Cedric Tillman and Joku,

Speaker 22 Jerry Juan. It only becomes easier.

Speaker 22 It doesn't get more difficult. Now, once you're playing against a team that's skiing for you and disguises and does all the stuff, you know, with a game planning for you, okay, that's different.

Speaker 22 Then you just have to process a little bit faster yeah that's all but it takes it's vanilla they line up and they just go

Speaker 21 that's exactly how it is but ocho you get better at something by doing said thing

Speaker 22 yes exactly you heard what you just said you get better at something by doing said thing but he wasn't doing said thing because he right

Speaker 22 and still looked the way he did i agree I agree.

Speaker 22 They don't view it that way. They, that organization, they don't view it that

Speaker 22 How, I don't know. I don't know.
But I'm guessing

Speaker 22 in the direction in which they're going, I'm hoping they're right.

Speaker 22 They haven't been right in the 35 quarterbacks that they tried previously.

Speaker 22 Or maybe I'm wrong.

Speaker 21 No.

Speaker 21 I just think I do believe that he's earned the right

Speaker 21 to get quality reps with the ones and twos,

Speaker 21 I'm not saying that you implement him, that now he's QB1. I'm not saying he's QB2,

Speaker 21 maybe, um,

Speaker 21 but I think he's earned that opportunity.

Speaker 22 I know one thing,

Speaker 22 I know one thing, they better put a statue of Andrew Berry outside that goddamn stadium.

Speaker 22 Tell you that,

Speaker 22 Listen, I can already foresee how it's going to go.

Speaker 22 I already know how it's going to go.

Speaker 22 I can already see it. They're going to continue to play, continue to play, continue to play, put everybody in front of them, continue to play.

Speaker 22 And then, when his opportunity presents itself, like it did because of injury, he looked a certain way.

Speaker 22 You can't deny it.

Speaker 21 No.

Speaker 22 You can't deny it. No matter what you try to do, you can't deny it.

Speaker 22 You can't.

Speaker 21 Oh, Joe,

Speaker 21 and in Cleveland, doing this, sometimes a man can make his destiny on the very road he took to avoid it.

Speaker 21 Sometimes you might, they might even have their quarterback, even though they tried to avoid giving him the opportunity.

Speaker 22 Come on, man.

Speaker 22 Come on, man.

Speaker 21 On the very road you took to avoid it, you found your destiny.

Speaker 21 I just'm not saying I'm general manager. I'm not saying I'm a player personnel director.
I just know that when guys flash,

Speaker 21 go back to Tom Brady. They kept four quarterbacks that year.

Speaker 22 Yeah.

Speaker 21 Coach Belichick said that he saw something in Tom

Speaker 21 that said if he got more of an opportunity,

Speaker 21 he might be okay. He didn't know he was going to be this.
Hell, if he knew he was going to be that, somebody would have taken him in the first, the first pick in the draft.

Speaker 22 Right.

Speaker 21 But he flashed enough.

Speaker 21 Guys, you know, late-round picks, okay.

Speaker 21 Like, he's showing something. He just, sometimes you just need time.
Sometimes you need more opportunity.

Speaker 21 You know,

Speaker 21 looking at Trey Lance, Trey Lance,

Speaker 21 like

Speaker 21 he needed time.

Speaker 21 Time, which the 49ers didn't have. The 49ers are on the clock.
They got to win now with the roster that they have. They're not in rebuild.

Speaker 21 Well, the Cleveland,

Speaker 21 I mean, you just gave a guy $140 million.

Speaker 21 He's under the assumption. Now, he played it both ways.
You know, I want out. Y'all not winning.
Got this money. Hey.

Speaker 21 But what are y'all? What are y'all doing? Are y'all in rebuild or are you trying to win? Because y'all see who is in y'all division?

Speaker 21 Lamar Lamar Jackson and Joe Burrow. Now, Lamar Jackson is 27, 28.

Speaker 21 He goes, he got another five to ten years in Baltimore. Joe Burrow might be a year younger than Lamar.
He's got another five to ten years in Cincinnati.

Speaker 21 Well, while y'all playing musical chairs with quarterbacks,

Speaker 21 they've identified their guy and he's going to be there for almost a decade.

Speaker 21 You're not beating a team that has an established quarterback playing musical chairs with quarterbacks.

Speaker 22 No.

Speaker 22 Uh-uh. Not at all.

Speaker 22 Not at all. Listen, I mean,

Speaker 22 it's exciting. It's exciting.
And listen, even as a Bengal fan, as a Bengal player at heart,

Speaker 22 it's enjoyable to be talking about the Browns.

Speaker 22 It's enjoyable, huh?

Speaker 22 It's exciting.

Speaker 22 It's exciting for Brown fans. I mean, when's the last time you had a player of this magnitude who's a rookie that has you guys in the national spotlight like this? Right.

Speaker 22 At all times.

Speaker 21 Basically, yeah, you got to go back to Johnny football.

Speaker 22 Oh, hey, boy, Johnny. Boy, Johnny was special, boy.

Speaker 21 Yeah.

Speaker 22 Texas and him, Johnny was special, boy.

Speaker 22 He was special.

Speaker 21 So it's,

Speaker 21 we'll see. It'll be interesting to see when they go out to practice today.
I mean, excuse me, today. Tomorrow,

Speaker 21 what comes back? What type of reps did Shadur get? Did he get reps with the ones? Did he get a rep or two with the ones? Did he get anything with the twos?

Speaker 21 Or was he back relegated to being the fourth quarterback and getting one rep with the fours or no reps? Or just getting side work?

Speaker 21 That's going to be the tail. tale.
That's going to tell us, Ocho.

Speaker 22 Yeah.

Speaker 21 Because what they talking

Speaker 21 and what's actually happening, we'll find out. Yeah.
We'll find out. And we'll see what they, how they played this thing out on Saturday when they play the game.

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