BEST OF NFL Preseason Week 1 Part 2: Travis Hunter & Cam Ward's NFL debut

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Speaker 10 Okay, we saw the debut today. Travis Hunter Ocho saw action on both sides of the football in his preseason debut, the Jags versus the Steelers.
On offense, he had 11 snaps, two receptions, nine yards.

Speaker 10 on defense he had eight snaps with zero targets um

Speaker 18 oh joe i might have to get get a couple of old jobs like you because the way they got these games spread out and how you're gonna have to pay damn near you basically got to pay to watch each individual game oh joe listen you know what you can do you can use youtube tv you can use youtube tv where you get most of the games and also i have the nfl app on my phone so the nfl app allows you to be able to go back and forth through some of the games you want to you can't see them all at the same time but it's just the preseason It's just the preseason.

Speaker 18 So it's kind of difficult to be able to watch the ones you want to watch based on location and where they are.

Speaker 10 Because most of them are regional.

Speaker 18 Right, right, right.

Speaker 18 But once the regular season gets in, you know, you'll be able to watch multiple at one time, especially the one o'clock games, obviously the 4:30 games, and then those that are slated at 7.30.

Speaker 10 Right.

Speaker 10 But he did have 11 snaps, two receptions for nine yards.

Speaker 10 Nothing deep, nothing significant.

Speaker 10 He gave up leverage on one play he'll learn these guys are really good you hey if you got leverage and he had leverage and let the guy bounce outside you ain't get you ain't getting you ain't catching those guys

Speaker 10 you got to maintain your your lane of responsibility integrity but like i said it was it was you know i i just wanted to see what what i mean you know we saw what we saw um

Speaker 18 what it wasn't you know what i'm saying if i mean how do we rate it he caught two passes for nine yards and he had eight snaps with two targets i mean the one thing is it's it's kind of it's not it's not it's not nitpicking one thing that he will learn too on the two pass that he get he did he did catch i call it i always call it that marvin harrison remember peyton manning and marvin harrison always having that under that short under six yards coming in but he did so well in college that the players and the dbs in college didn't do they would over commit so much he'd be be able to spin out the back door

Speaker 18 He'd be able to spin out the back door. But now, now that you're at the next level, they don't overcommit.
They come to balance right away and they make the tackle

Speaker 18 so he tried

Speaker 10 and you got to be careful with that too

Speaker 10 you know them big guys

Speaker 10 you know the big guys trailing now oh yeah yeah yeah

Speaker 10 you know

Speaker 10 because what what happens when they see that ball thrown

Speaker 18 yeah they're coming but but this is the thing you got to remember he's coming from outside the end and trying to spin back outside hope he is out of control but most of the time they're not out of control no so they were under control listen you you you you split the man in half when you attack coming to tackle.

Speaker 18 You always hit the target. So, I mean, outside of...

Speaker 10 Yeah, you keep your up.

Speaker 10 You don't let him get on your outside shoulder. Because a lot of times, like you said, they overcommit and the outside shoulder is inside the man.
Now he spins out.

Speaker 10 See, as long as my outside shoulder is free, I can tackle it. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 18 So, and that's it. That's it.
He'll see it'll be much more difficult. to be able to do some of those tricks that you did in college because these were out of control.
They overcommit.

Speaker 18 They attack in the inside shoulder, you know, and all you got to do. Once you spin back, it becomes a foot race and you run it down the sideline.

Speaker 10 Racing to the corner. Now I got my inside hat.
I got my stiff arm free. The stiff arm, you'll pick up yards.

Speaker 10 But yeah, those are things that, you know, as you play at this, at this level, you'll learn a lot of the tricks of the trade.

Speaker 10 You'll know when to get down, when you can fight and struggle for extra yards, because I'm telling you, those big guys and those licks hurt.

Speaker 10 When them 300 pounds hit you, that's different than a DB tackling you now.

Speaker 10 Because he hitting, he putting helmet on you, and he putting 300 pounds.

Speaker 10 Exactly.

Speaker 10 So,

Speaker 10 and on the defensive side, like I said, he just had

Speaker 10 that one play that I saw that he gave up leverage. But other than that, nothing really major to write home about.

Speaker 10 I don't think it's going to be really hard to judge him, Ocho, unless he gets significant snaps. You know what I'm saying? And they give him an opportunity, and we see him, we see them.

Speaker 10 like game plan to get him to football.

Speaker 10 It's hard. I mean, he caught two passes.

Speaker 18 And I thought, obviously, the hype around Travis Hunter,

Speaker 18 second round. I mean, second pick in the draft.
I thought they were going to feature him a little bit, but obviously the first play. Yeah.
They allowed Trevor Lawrence.

Speaker 18 They allowed the offense to flow. Whatever they gave him, they just didn't feature him.

Speaker 18 First play of the game, Bryance Harmon Jr., goddamn hitch on the right side. Then I thought they would come to him at some point and just...
get him acclimated and then get him going.

Speaker 18 But nah, nah, they just waited. When the opportunity presented itself, they threw in the ball.
and you know it was it was simple

Speaker 10 yeah i me personally i think he's going to spend more time on offense than defense but hey

Speaker 10 that that remains to be seen um

Speaker 10 but i do think uh you'll probably get a look a lot more you will see a lot more of travis and what he's capable of doing uh once the season started i don't think they're gonna you know try to prove any point or make anything you know do anything have him do anything spectacular in the postseason.

Speaker 10 Because the thing is, Ocho, I want to, you know, you try to keep most of your stuff under wrap.

Speaker 10 I don't want to show you too much in the preseason because these games don't mean anything. I'm just trying to get timely.
I'm trying to get the guys, you know, get the guys in football shape.

Speaker 10 Because here's the thing. Now, with three games, you play the third game.
Now you got a week in between when you play again. It used to be, you know, Ocho, we played that Thursday, Friday.

Speaker 10 And guess what? We was playing the following Sunday. It's not like that anymore.
So now you play. Now you got another week in between before you go play.

Speaker 10 And so I'm just trying to get the guys as conditioned as I possibly can, let them know what is going to be expected,

Speaker 10 you know, the timing and all that stuff. But I think Trav is fine.
Like I said, 11 snaps, two receptions, nine yards, eight snaps, zero targets. He got 19.
He got 19 snaps, which is

Speaker 10 probably about what you would think if he was just a rookie playing on one side of the ball. That's probably what you thought he would get.
About 19 snaps.

Speaker 18 Yeah,

Speaker 18 I'm excited for him, man.

Speaker 10 But the most outstanding thing in the game happened when Jaguars kicker Cam Little nailed a 70-yard field goal as the first half expired in Jacksonville's preseason open against the Steelers.

Speaker 10 That would have broken the NFL record had it been the regular season. Justin Tucker kicked a 66-yard field goal to beat the Lions September 26, 2021 at Ford Field.
Now, it's a lot different.

Speaker 10 It's a lot different kicking outside than it is inside because you got control conditions. You don't have to worry about wind.
You don't have to worry about rain.

Speaker 10 You don't have to worry about anything. That field goal that this gentleman kicked looked like it had been good for him about 72 because he boomed it.
Yeah, he did.

Speaker 18 He did.

Speaker 10 He boomed it, though. He boomed it.
And look, I don't care. I know it's preseason, doesn't count.
Well, you go out there and you go out there to the high school field and kick a 72.

Speaker 18 It's very difficult. I don't think people understand how far that is.

Speaker 18 Even for those who are professionals you have to understand being able to kick it from that far one most people do have the leg but the problem is it's not it's not about having a leg and act it's about having the accuracy to be able to kick from that far you have to understand the uprights have been have been changed

Speaker 18 they're a lot more narrow than they used to be so for the room for error the room for error when kicking you know most of the time the ball depending on if you have the consistency yes yes yes that you have the consistency in your follow-through you can't swing to the left or you can't leave your leg open and it'll go wide right.

Speaker 18 No, everything has to be perfect. That finish, that follow.

Speaker 10 Especially when you're kicking it that far.

Speaker 10 Because if anything is off, you kick it that far. And it's

Speaker 10 not one way or the other.

Speaker 18 And the funny thing about it is,

Speaker 18 most people say, well, it is a preseason. There's no pressure as well

Speaker 18 in this kick. There's no pressure.
The circumstance. that that you're in.
You know, it's preseason. You know what? We're going to allow you to kick.

Speaker 18 Would they allow him to kick from 70, maybe in a regular season game where it actually counts uh probably not because well if you think about it

Speaker 18 you got to understand the team is already in

Speaker 10 steelers didn't even put anybody back that was my point they didn't even put anybody back there right

Speaker 10 so they're like hey don't even worry about it because hey because that's the thing that that is the thing what you're saying is that they normally have a guy back there and if you miss it you got really only two guys maybe your wings

Speaker 10 that can tackle they're normally linebackers or tight ends so those are really you only really got two guys that can tackle you got offensive linemen mainly offensive linemen now you might have a defensive lineman on there ocho but he ain't tackling in space no and you know the kick what what what's the likelihood of the kicker the holder getting somebody down because we saw on the kick six auburn versus alabama we've seen antonio cremati run those things back we've seen uh um Devin Hefster run it back.

Speaker 10 I think OBJ ran one back in college. So when you put people in situations that they're not used to being in, which is offensive linemen having to tackle,

Speaker 10 kickers and punters having to tackle, especially with that kind of space. Now, if you get him hemmed up on the sideline, you can try to push him out of bounds.
But that guy done got ahead of steam.

Speaker 10 And, you know, they're taught, and linemen don't really know how to get lanes, Ocho, because you know, they following each other, they follow right behind one another. Bro, spread the ass out.

Speaker 10 You, we got lanes now that you have to get in.

Speaker 10 And, but that was, I was like, and why not, like you said, Ocho, why not try something like this? Okay, now I got the confidence.

Speaker 10 Because if it's a, if it's a, a late-in the ball game, instead of trying to Hail Mary, hell,

Speaker 10 I might let the kids come out there and try.

Speaker 18 I'm trying to either tie a game or the win a game.

Speaker 18 Yeah.

Speaker 10 I mean, especially. if we're in Indy or Houston, because those are indoor reasons.

Speaker 18 There's no factors from the outside elements.

Speaker 10 Yes.

Speaker 10 Yes. So

Speaker 10 congratulations. It does not count towards the record, but

Speaker 10 you know now

Speaker 10 I got the leg. The coach knows you have the leg.

Speaker 18 Hey, you know who?

Speaker 10 Because you got to think, oh, Joe, that's a kickoff.

Speaker 18 Oh, yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 10 He does a kickoff.

Speaker 18 Hold on, wait a minute now. You do know your co-hosts can kick just as far, right?

Speaker 10 No, you never kicked that far.

Speaker 18 Hold on, time out, time out, time out, time out.

Speaker 18 Uncle, you you know there's video there's visual evidence there's video evidence i don't know ash is there uh you have you have a great team of people that can pull things up they no she on vacation for real

Speaker 18 ash can you please show onk me kicking from 60 65 yards please and having even more room to go once it goes through i think i might have been with um during this time i might have been with bleach report we were we were doing something it's it's it's it's online

Speaker 10 no no no no no no no no no no no no i'm talking about in the the game. Now, if you can't

Speaker 10 make

Speaker 18 a PAT in the game, 65 yards in the game,

Speaker 18 or just doing it, you know, in the park, practicing. It's still, I haven't.

Speaker 10 So

Speaker 10 a guy catching the ball in the turkey bowl is the same as kicking the ball in the NFL.

Speaker 18 But we're not talking about a guy. We're talking, you're actually referring to an actual player who plays, you know, in the NFL or played.

Speaker 10 Played. Right.

Speaker 10 Many, many years ago.

Speaker 18 But I still can. Mentally, I know what to do.
Now, the body might not react the way it should.

Speaker 10 Yeah, I know. I know what to do.
I know how to run. I know how to swing my arms and put one leg in front of the other, but doing it is something entirely different.

Speaker 18 I'm just trying to give you a small example that your co-host can kick 65, 70 yards as well.

Speaker 10 No, maybe once upon a time, my co-host can kick 65, 70 yards.

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Speaker 10 Let me ask you a question.

Speaker 10 You think

Speaker 10 messy leg speed is the same as it was, say 15 years ago?

Speaker 18 Speed easy, like being able to break out and get away from people?

Speaker 10 No. I said his leg speed.

Speaker 18 No, absolutely not. No, no, no.
Why not? Because he's much older now.

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Speaker 10 Cam Ward NFL preseason debuted tonight in Tampa.

Speaker 18 Five of eight completions, all completions coming on the second drive 67 yards passing an 89.1 rating led a 65 yard touchdown drive ojo the little bit the limited action that you saw you like what you saw absolutely absolutely the funny thing about it is uh you know what is these players are nfl ready some rookies that i saw today are are so poised in the pocket most of the time they get happy feet when pressure is is is is put upon them but they look like they've been playing for 10 plus years they look like veterans The pocket presence,

Speaker 18 the relaxedness

Speaker 18 under the rest, Cam Ward showed it. Jackson Dart showed it as well.
Obviously, we saw Shadura last night who also played with that same calmness and poise.

Speaker 18 And you can see the leadership qualities in the way they carry themselves as quarterbacks. And Cam, small sample size that we were able to see tonight.
He didn't play much, but

Speaker 18 you can tell he's sharp. You can tell he's been coached well, not just here at the NFL level where he's at now, because it doesn't just happen that fast.

Speaker 18 It's not that fast of a turnaround to look that comfortable, like you know what you're doing.

Speaker 18 So he was coached very well, obviously, when he was at UM. And so it's carried over into the NFL.
And I'm excited for Tennessee Titan fans, you know, and what they had with the number one pick.

Speaker 18 I just don't like the fact that he's been overshadowed since his pick because everyone else has been talked about. This is the least talked about number one pick.
I think maybe

Speaker 10 what ever. Ever.

Speaker 18 You were the number one pick. So it seemed like he's went under the radar.

Speaker 18 No one said anything about him when most of the pressure is on a number one pick to perform because you're going to the that was the worst last year.

Speaker 10 Like you said, I can fly under the radar.

Speaker 10 The difference is now, Ocho, these guys come in, they've been coached by

Speaker 10 throwing coaches. since they were in high school.
Their freshman year.

Speaker 10 So they're not like the guys that came came in 25 years ago they was just coming to the nfl and then okay hey you get you hire a coach right before you're getting ready to go you know to the end of to the combine and then you work with him up until you your pro day and that's it these guys have these guys all the time

Speaker 10 it's just like basketball players they got shooting coaches and they got trainers

Speaker 10 now in college

Speaker 10 so they have an upper hand that's why they're so when you find a guy guy that's ready, he's really ready to play.

Speaker 18 Yes.

Speaker 10 These receivers, they work with guys. So when you find a guy that's ready, he's really, really ready.
And so guys are not coming in like you, I mean, like I came in.

Speaker 10 I mean, guys, you know, tied up, I mean, guys would go down there for like maybe six weeks and work with a speed coach. But these guys got professionals basically training them.

Speaker 10 Sometimes they have them in high school, Ocho. So just imagine you going through the process and they giving you inner, they giving you pro style advice.

Speaker 18 And you know what? I think that's why so many different quarterbacks, obviously, they look the par, but don't have all the other intangibles to be a starter.

Speaker 18 They look the par, but Cam Moore, not only did he look the par, but he had everything else. He had all the other qualities that make him the number one pick.

Speaker 18 Obviously, Shador falling to the fifth round, not only did he look the par, but he has all the other intangibles that made him a top pick, despite him falling to the fifth round

Speaker 18 right they polished

Speaker 18 they're polished that's all it is you're a rookie who's been prepared for the nfl level so you look to par once you're in a

Speaker 18 structured environment in a real live game god damn how the hell are you dropping back so goddamn calm everybody rushing trying to knock his head off and he's sitting there chilling progression one two three okay three's not there let me shoot back the one if one ain't there i'm either throw out the bounds or i'm gonna tuck it and run nah hell nah you better not if you if you go one two three and try to go back to one they're gonna hit you put your put this helmet right up under your chair you better take that check down yeah

Speaker 10 hey one two three check down one two three throw it out of bounds or take off with it

Speaker 10 yeah uh

Speaker 10 And I think, Ocho, I think that's what we're seeing.

Speaker 10 If you look at these quarterbacks, I mean, it used to be a quarterback throwing for 20 touchdowns of a season was like, oh, my gosh, he really good. Man, these guys throw him for 25, 30 touchdowns.

Speaker 10 Easy.

Speaker 10 It's a different. Look, and I understand the rules have a lot to do with that.

Speaker 10 The way they protect the quarterback, the way they protect the receiver, the way they throw the football now is more conducive for quarterback having better stats.

Speaker 10 But I do think these guys are a little bit more advanced

Speaker 10 than when the older guys, the Montanas and the Elways and the Marinos, when they came out. I'm not saying they're better, but they're coached more.

Speaker 10 And so I don't, John probably never, I don't know, Danny or John to be interesting. Man,

Speaker 10 you had a pro coach, you had a Tom House, or you have a, what's Carson Palmer's brother?

Speaker 18 Hey, Jordan Palmer's real deal.

Speaker 10 Hey, you have a, did you have a Jordan Palmer? Did you have a George Whitfield? Did you have any of those guys to

Speaker 10 help you?

Speaker 10 All these quarterbacks, they have those.

Speaker 10 Offensive linemen, they're working out with offensive line coaches. They're working out with former great NFL linemen.

Speaker 10 So

Speaker 10 they're a little bit more advanced than, say, the guys, you know, even if you want to say 10 years ago, 15 years ago, definitely when you go start going back 20, 30 years ago, they're more advanced, just like the guys that are coming out in basketball.

Speaker 10 You see how, and even baseball, these guys, you know, fathers played, and so they got, you know, hitting coaches, they got pitching coaches.

Speaker 10 They're looking at biomechanics and they look at all the best.

Speaker 18 The funny thing about it is you think about the time and the time change and technology

Speaker 18 is advanced and everything evolves, they have better resources. They got unlimited resources.

Speaker 10 Absolutely.

Speaker 18 They look better at said position, whatever it may be, whatever their respective craft may be to hone that skill set. So when they do make it to the highest level, they look the par right.

Speaker 18 Now, it's one thing to look the par. Everybody, I mean, the it factor can get you in the door, but you got to have all the other stuff that comes with it to excel.

Speaker 10 Yeah, i totally i totally i totally agree but i thought cale ward played really well especially last second second drive you got the ball to calvin ridley you know really hey that's somebody he can lead lean heavily on um because he's one of the premier rock runners and he started to get you he started to look like calvin ridley again um because you remember that last year that he really played in atlanta he was he was cutting he was cutting he was doing he was doing it

Speaker 10 he was really doing it on the other side of the ball rookie shilo sanders delivered multiple big hits including one on brandon allen on the blitz uh first round draft pick emeka

Speaker 10 uh also showed off his physical attributes leaping 21 yard grab backup quarterback kyle trask um

Speaker 10 i mean shadours played really well i mean i've seen footage uh of him in camp he did a great job of of

Speaker 10 In the one-on-one team, a one-on-one period against the Tyrants.

Speaker 10 I saw him. He's on it.
He was on it.

Speaker 10 because you have to understand he started out he started out as a corner oh so oh so he does have i know that i thought he was always a safety yeah he started out as a corner and then moved to safety yeah

Speaker 10 uh

Speaker 10 but when yeah yeah he i i thought he played well we know he's a thumper he's looking to get looking get down here look at big hits on

Speaker 10 yeah but i i thought he uh and i think it's going to be interesting ocho how many special teams can he play

Speaker 10 because that's going to be the key he's not a start he's now he could be working his way into the starting lineup but as of right now i don't think he's a starter so now what other ways can you contribute he'll he'll be on he'll be on special teams whether it be field goal block whether it be we'd be kickoff uh

Speaker 10 yeah punt punt return can you be can you be a jammer can you be a gunner yeah

Speaker 10 uh can you be on the front line can you be a l one two three four five on the front line uh you definitely he's gonna be on you know kickoff obviously Yeah.

Speaker 18 Hey, is it me, or does it seem like kickoff is much more, much easier

Speaker 18 as opposed to how it was during our day? You know, where you had the wedge buster, you had the ball.

Speaker 10 Yeah.

Speaker 10 Yeah,

Speaker 10 they don't really want those type of collisions. So they don't, if you see, they're not letting you get that kind of running start.
Yeah.

Speaker 10 It's different. It's not, it's, I mean,

Speaker 10 I think Hester said he'd have probably more return touchdowns had they had it in like that. So it's a bit interesting to see what would have happened.

Speaker 10 But the advancements, I don't have a problem with Mocho. I mean, sometimes, like, man, it's different.

Speaker 10 It's very different. It's very different.

Speaker 10 The guy that you really like in the first round, the Bucs selected, Imeka

Speaker 10 Buka.

Speaker 10 You like him? You like Macmillan, Carolina? Hey, they both look good. You like, I think, think, was it gold? Did Golden go in the first round or the second round for three?

Speaker 10 Okay.

Speaker 10 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 18 I think Golden.

Speaker 18 He ran 4-2.

Speaker 10 First, number 23. Then it had Jaden Higgins winning the second round.
Luther Burton III went in the second round. Trey Harris went in the second round.
And Jack Beach went in the second round.

Speaker 10 So there were, in the first two rounds, there were...

Speaker 10 seven receivers that went in the first the first two rounds.

Speaker 10 Who do you expect to have the biggest impact?

Speaker 18 Probably, honestly, out of everyone you just named, I know Matthew Golden is good. He's phenomenal.
Obviously, they do have dubs. They have Jaden Reed.

Speaker 18 So I don't think he will get the number of targets necessary to be able to showcase

Speaker 10 Reed, Dobbs, Washington.

Speaker 18 There's so many of them over there. I think he will contribute.
But

Speaker 18 I really believe T-Mac,

Speaker 18 McMillan, over there with the Panther.

Speaker 18 And with what he's able to do and what he showed, very small sample size. Honestly, it's been one preseason game.
But again, I've been high on the Panthers.

Speaker 18 I think T-Mac is going to be the one to showcase his ability and what he can do. It's a mismatch every time he leaving one-on-one.
He's very tall. He can run after the catch.
And

Speaker 18 I'll be 50-50 ball turning to 80-20 when it is him. So

Speaker 18 I'm excited for him. He's the one I'm highest on.

Speaker 18 And hoping that not just him, but collectively as a group, offensively as a receiving core, I think they make the difference in Bryce Young taking the next step in his career?

Speaker 10 I agree.

Speaker 10 I thank him. I like Ibuka also for the simple fact.

Speaker 10 How healthy

Speaker 10 will Godwin be upon his return?

Speaker 10 I don't think he's on pup, but so it's going to be interesting to see

Speaker 10 how he used, because, you know,

Speaker 10 We know Baker can throw it.

Speaker 10 You got Mr. Consistency on one side, Evans, Mike Evans.

Speaker 10 And then, so

Speaker 10 Buka could really have

Speaker 10 a huge year.

Speaker 10 But I like McMillan also. Long angular guy.
What is he like? 6'3, 6'4?

Speaker 10 Make tough contested catches. He's good, run after the catch.

Speaker 10 Yeah.

Speaker 10 I mean, I think he's good. I think Matthew Golden, I mean, you look, you look at Romeo Dobbs, you mentioned Christian Watson, you mentioned Reed.

Speaker 10 They got a lot of receivers. They don't really have a guy that, like, okay, this is the guy that you got to worry about.

Speaker 10 You kind of got to worry about them all because at any given moment, because you know, it might be Dobbs weeks, one week, and then it'll be Christian Watson. Watson's biggest thing is

Speaker 18 he can put them up and put them down. Hell,

Speaker 10 he can pick them up, put them down.

Speaker 18 The goddamn Packers got a four by one team, huh?

Speaker 18 They got a four by one team.

Speaker 18 Dobbs, Watson, Reed can fly,

Speaker 18 Golden can fly,

Speaker 18 man. Stop playing.

Speaker 10 Yeah,

Speaker 10 I think Macmillan and Abuka would have the biggest, but I'm not going to sleep on

Speaker 10 Luther Burton. A lot of people thought he'd be a first-round draft pick, receiver out of Missouri.

Speaker 10 He goes to the Bears. They got DJ Moore.
They got Roman Doomsday.

Speaker 10 They drafted a tight end in the first round. They still have Cole Quebec.
They've upgraded their offensive line. They should be, and they got

Speaker 10 Detroit's old offensive coordinators, the head coach, calling a play.

Speaker 18 Mr. Creativity.

Speaker 18 Mr.

Speaker 10 Creativity. Yeah.
So they should definitely be better offensively.

Speaker 10 And if they are better offensively, well,

Speaker 10 big numbers.

Speaker 10 Because if you look at Detroit, you look at Jamison Williams, had a phenomenal season. You look at Amon Ross St.
Brown.

Speaker 18 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 10 Had a big season.

Speaker 18 You know what's funny? It's Amon Ross St. Brown.
He's one of the top five receivers, depending on how you put him in numerical order in the NFL.

Speaker 18 Well, I really don't think it didn't matter who was calling the goddamn plays because he's so good at just route running in general.

Speaker 18 He's a polished one. You know what? I don't have to scheme you open.

Speaker 18 He's one of those where offensive coordinators and your head coach, you know what, I can sleep at night because I ain't got to worry about that one. It don't matter who we playing.

Speaker 18 I don't have to worry about him. I know what he can do.
So you add what he can do and his skill set and his DNA, and then you put that with the creativity that Ben Johnson has.

Speaker 18 You get what you saw last year. You get magic.

Speaker 18 You get magic. Now, I don't know if there's anyone like that with that type of skill set similar to Amon Ross St.
Brown on the Bears, but DJ Moore is damn good. He's not that far behind.

Speaker 10 He doesn't have that short area quickness like that. No, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 10 That's not what he is.

Speaker 10 Can he play the spot? Yeah, but he's an outside the number. He and Roman Dunza is an outside the number type of guys.

Speaker 10 So he's going to be all right.

Speaker 18 The good thing about it is, is Ben Johnson is going to understand and know his player's strengths and put them in position to be able to make those plays and not allow them to be exposed in whatever that we can see is that we can't see watching from home.

Speaker 18 We don't know it.

Speaker 10 They know it.

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Speaker 10 And Justin Fields' preseason debut against the Packers, Phil was ultra-efficient. He was three or four on passing, 42 yards, ran the ball twice for 14 yards, and didn't take a single sack.

Speaker 10 Fields orchestrated a sharp opening drive against the Packers, starting defense, capping it off with a 13-yard rushing touchdown.

Speaker 10 This set the tone for an excellent preseason open for Aaron Glenn's squad. Does Phil remaining calm, composed, in a controlled pocket?

Speaker 10 What do you think, Ocho? Do you think, did you like what you saw from him? Absolutely.

Speaker 18 Absolutely.

Speaker 18 Listen, saw we saw flashes of brilliance when he was with the bears we saw flashes of what he can do when he's with the pittsburgh steelers so what we saw tonight is what we expected from phils it's all about him just being consistent and being able to do it week to week to week he's always wanted his opportunity to be a starting quarterback i think he wasn't dealt a fair deal in chicago because when you look at the chicago bears and that organization and the way they conducted and handled quarterbacks throughout the years it hasn't been great at all it hasn't been great at all it just hasn't.

Speaker 18 Now things are a little different. Got Ben Johnson there, Caleb Williams.
Things are different. The way they're running the system, obviously, in Pittsburgh,

Speaker 18 Russ was promised a starting job. Russ gets hurt.
Justin Field comes in. He plays phenomenal.
He plays phenomenal. But obviously, once Russ gets healthy, Russ, I mean, Justin Field is benched.

Speaker 10 Boom.

Speaker 18 Damn it. Can I just get an opportunity? Can I get an opportunity to shine and show what I can do with the quarterback position? I can be quarterback number one.

Speaker 18 If you put me in a situation that is advantageous for me and my skill set, now that in New York with a player's coach that played the game and understands exactly what you can and can't do and can do what he needs to do to make sure you're successful.

Speaker 18 You got Garrett Wilson.

Speaker 18 I don't know who, and I can't remember his last name. I meant to write it down.
I don't know if it was a fullback that kept making those plays tonight.

Speaker 18 Or a tight end. I think he wore 47.
I think he was wearing 47. Hey, Young Bull popped out on film.

Speaker 18 He popped out on film to the point where, well, I don't know who this is, but I guarantee you he's going to have a starting job. I don't know if it was a fullback or a tight end, but he was bowling.

Speaker 10 Jets had 403 yards, uh, total yards. Uh, Green Bay had two turnovers, time of possession was 38-41.
Jets, uh, 21-19. First downs was 21 to 12 in favor of the Jets.

Speaker 10 Um,

Speaker 10 like I said, I think his name is Jay Tufelli.

Speaker 10 He made a team

Speaker 10 tonight. He did.

Speaker 10 With two sacks.

Speaker 10 And he had a fumble recovery for a touchdown. Yeah.

Speaker 18 Are you going to be all right?

Speaker 10 Yeah.

Speaker 10 But I think that's the key for him.

Speaker 10 The Jets

Speaker 10 showed Justin Fields that they wanted him.

Speaker 18 Yeah.

Speaker 10 They gave him a two-year deal. They put him in.
He's the starter. They do have Tyrod to be his backup, but that's what he wanted.
That's why he didn't go back to Pittsburgh.

Speaker 10 He said, no, y'all already showed me what y'all want. Y'all already did me how y'all going to do it.
Pittsburgh, you're not going to do me dirty twice.

Speaker 18 Listen, Pittsburgh is a situation where there's a young lady that wants you. She wants you.
She don't want nobody else to have you. So she puts you in the friend zone.

Speaker 18 Until the dude, she really wants to get his act together. Okay, now I'm going to put you off on the bench.
Now

Speaker 18 I'm going to go deal with Russ.

Speaker 18 That's the situation last year. So listen, you get smart.
That ain't the situation that's ideal for me and where I want to go. New York is perfect for him.
He got somebody that actually wants him.

Speaker 18 When you have somebody that actually wants you, you're able to play freely, understanding, okay, I don't have to look over my shoulder.

Speaker 18 I don't have the pressure of having to do everything perfect and do everything right. I can just play football.

Speaker 10 That's the thing. And I think AG,

Speaker 10 you know, they moved over from Aaron Rodgers basically for Justin Fields.

Speaker 18 Yeah.

Speaker 18 And but he made it easy for him,

Speaker 10 He made it easy.

Speaker 18 No, you have someone like AG. AG ain't playing with that.
Uh, I'm not sure if I'm ready. I don't know if I'm buying in.
I don't know if I'm gonna be there for training camp.

Speaker 18 I don't know if I'm gonna take a dog. Man, AG ain't got time for that.
I'm trying to change the entire culture, and I need players that are bored in.

Speaker 18 Whether you've been playing five years or we've been playing 20,

Speaker 18 I need you on the same page with me. And he just wasn't

Speaker 10 only if you're a relative do you have tolerance with BS as a person's age.

Speaker 18 Yeah.

Speaker 10 You know,

Speaker 10 if that person's not related to you, though, people like, yeah, man, you know, old people.

Speaker 10 And, you know, look,

Speaker 10 at this juncture, AG coming in as a new coach, he needs everybody to be bought in.

Speaker 10 Aaron being as great as he is and being who he is.

Speaker 10 He can easily sway a locker room.

Speaker 10 So I think for AG to look at it like for me to make sure I still have control of this locker room, let's just move on. Because I'm not so sure if

Speaker 10 there was something that did AG want to hear Aaron say something?

Speaker 10 Unless Aaron came with that thing, turned it back, flips like, yes, sir, let's go, AG. I'm ready.

Speaker 10 Unless he got that, they probably was going to move on anyway, OJo.

Speaker 10 They probably was going to move on. Yeah.

Speaker 10 And,

Speaker 10 but hopefully Justin

Speaker 10 can seize this opportunity because this is a perfect opportunity.

Speaker 10 This might be the best opportunity because, you know, when he went to Chicago, you knew he was going to be the starter. They just didn't have the pieces around him.

Speaker 10 And I don't know if that system was conducive

Speaker 10 and the coach was conducive. Now, he has another defensive-minded head coach, but I think AG

Speaker 10 has

Speaker 10 an offensive guy that can put... Justin Fields in position to be successful.

Speaker 18 And listen, you would do, let's understand what Justin Phil has at his disposal over there with the Jets as well. You got Brees Hall, you got

Speaker 18 Brother Allen,

Speaker 18 who looks like, who looks like a Derrick Henry, who looks the part. I mean, I'm not saying he's Derrick Henry.
I'm just saying they have a one-two punch at the running back position. We have one of

Speaker 18 top 10 receivers in the NFL, depending on where you slate him at, depending on where you want him at, and Garrett Wilson.

Speaker 18 Well, goddamn, who's the number two?

Speaker 18 Damn, who is a chat? Who's the number two at receiver, man with the Jets?

Speaker 18 It's slipping my mind.

Speaker 18 Damn.

Speaker 10 You think, I mean, look.

Speaker 10 Alan Lazar still there?

Speaker 10 Alan Lazar. Josh Reynolds?

Speaker 10 Josh Reynolds. You remember Josh Reynolds? I think

Speaker 10 he played for the Rams. I think he was in Tennessee.

Speaker 18 So Gary Wilson.

Speaker 10 Or

Speaker 10 was he in

Speaker 10 Detroit?

Speaker 10 I'm almost certain he was with the Rams.

Speaker 18 So hold on. Alan Lazard and Josh Reynolds.
So that's the two and a three. Gary Wilson.

Speaker 10 And Gary Wilson, yeah.

Speaker 10 He was trying to find, we know Gary Wilson's there. We tried to find the other receivers.

Speaker 10 But that is Josh Reynolds. He's with the Rams.
I think he's with Tennessee or

Speaker 10 was it

Speaker 10 the Lions? Lions.

Speaker 10 Okay. Yeah.

Speaker 10 Broncos. He with the Broncos? He must have been on the Lions stuff.

Speaker 10 You like AG? You think AG is the right fit for the Jazzo show? Absolutely.

Speaker 18 Absolutely. Listen.

Speaker 18 You need a player like that that can deal with that media. Forget in-house.
Forget the football stuff.

Speaker 18 Give me somebody with a mindset and a a mentality that can deal with all the bullshit and the stereotypes that come along with being the head coach in a market of that magnitude.

Speaker 18 Once you get some that's ready for that, okay, now I can work on everything else. I can work from the top on down.
And AG is the right, right player for that.

Speaker 10 And he played in New York. So he definitely understands.

Speaker 18 Listen, one thing about it, even though he played in New York, you understand how those newspapers are. You ain't getting no cut either.
We ain't giving you no break either.

Speaker 18 Because if things ain't going right, we're going to hop on you too.

Speaker 18 But hey, the newspaper, the newspaper outlets and media outlets are ruthless. And I don't know who creates some of the headlines sometimes.
Boy, they so creative.

Speaker 10 That's what they say. If you can make it in New York, you can make it anywhere.

Speaker 18 You can make it anywhere.

Speaker 18 Hey, just sitting here talking about all this quarterback play, man. It just reminds me of my day, man, at Beach High, man.
Remind me of my days at Beach High, man.

Speaker 18 You know, I was one of the best in the state, huh?

Speaker 10 Huh?

Speaker 18 You hear me? I I wanted the best in the state.

Speaker 10 No, you want the best at liberty.

Speaker 18 No, no, no, no, in the state. What I'm talking about, in the world, I was one of the best in the world.
I remember, hey, you know, it's funny to for me,

Speaker 18 yeah, I'm like, for me to have played quarterback at Miami Beach Senior High in 1996, I still remember my receivers, my number one and my number two, Dwight Sturb and Richard Luscelle.

Speaker 18 That's my little Zoe, Dwight, Dwight Sturb. I mean, Dwight was my homeboy.

Speaker 10 Yeah, he was Joe, right?

Speaker 10 Ojo. You think Joe Montana could tell you who his wide receivers were in college? Or at least not? You only had two or three, oh Joe.

Speaker 18 But see, my

Speaker 18 two Dwight Stirrup and Richard Lussel, that's my Zoe. Richard Lucell, that's my Zoe.
Sophia, say, Richard, if you see this, you know, hey, we were at that doing work.

Speaker 18 My hey, listen, my running back was Toba Wilson. Oh, my goodness, boy.
Toba, hey, he was. Oh, you should have seen me out there, huh? Hey,

Speaker 10 okay, name the offensive line. Name your five offensive line at Oregon State at Oregon State.

Speaker 18 At Oregon State?

Speaker 18 Yeah, I played receiver. I don't know.

Speaker 10 Exactly. Exactly.
That's my point.

Speaker 18 I would run in the offense like this.

Speaker 18 Blue 80.

Speaker 18 Blue 80. Hey, Mike, you hot.
You hot.

Speaker 18 You get two off the mic. You hot, boy.
Yeah.

Speaker 10 Alert. Chat, he ain't.

Speaker 18 Alert, alert, alert, alert, alert, alert, alert. And then I go to the gun.
Hey, uncle.

Speaker 10 He ain't do none of that.

Speaker 18 Hey, hey, unk. Why?

Speaker 18 Hey, I used to be killing that thing a quarterback. I had him.
I had on the number two, too. Hey, you got to remember, remember, I was the baby when I was a freshman.

Speaker 18 D starks was the quarterback. Samari Roe was the receiver.

Speaker 18 Terry Cousins was playing running back.

Speaker 18 So you got to understand.

Speaker 10 And y'all won seven games.

Speaker 18 We was good now. Hey, you got to understand who we played against.

Speaker 10 Seven games.

Speaker 18 We had to get some good competition, man.

Speaker 18 What the hell? Miami Northwestern, Miami Central, Edison High School. Them boys were stacked back then, boy.

Speaker 10 I ain't hearing none of them play up. I ain't hearing none of them names with y'all name.
All the guys that you name played in the NFL.

Speaker 18 I'm just telling you the quality that my school had. We had good quality, we had good.

Speaker 10 So, what happened to the wins, huh? What the quality tell me the quality wins. I know y'all had quality players, but about quality.
Yeah, some quality wins.

Speaker 18 Now, I just don't remember the records from back then. That's a very long time ago.

Speaker 10 You know, your record, were y'all 14 and one, 15-0, 13-2? Obviously, no, we weren't able to state. Y'all lost to the state championship, y'all lost in the semifinals, quarterfinals.

Speaker 18 Damn, I can't remember, but I did score.

Speaker 18 Hey, listen, what I can tell you is I scored four touchdowns in one game, and nobody, nobody's done that. Nobody scored four touchdowns in one game.

Speaker 10 Did y'all win that game? Yes.

Speaker 18 Yes. Matter of fact, we almost beat Miami Northwest in the year they won state.

Speaker 18 One of the greatest, one of the greatest high school receivers I saw with my own eyes, Marvin Snoop Menace.

Speaker 18 Out of the Scott Projects that played for Florida State, played with Kansas City for a little bit before he got hurt. I've never seen nothing like Snoop Minister born in high school.

Speaker 18 Uncle, oh my, yeah,

Speaker 10 what am I supposed to do? We almost beat the team that won the state.

Speaker 18 I'm just trying to, I'm just trying to relive my story of high school, huh? That's all. I'm just, hey, I'm just sharing that story.
So we're talking football, it's taking me down memory lane.

Speaker 18 Can we talk about the young bulls that's going into the NFL that got an opportunity to start at the highest level? And it just brought me back to where it all started. That's all.

Speaker 18 I'm just sharing my feelings and my story. That's all.
My bad.

Speaker 10 Man.

Speaker 10 It sucks being you, Ocho. It sucks being old.
You want to be young so bad to go back out there with the bad.

Speaker 18 I do. I'm doing it.
Cause listen, I'm really not old. Like,

Speaker 18 it kind of makes me upset and it kind of bothers me when people call me unk. And I think about it.
Well, why you calling me unknown? And I look younger than you sometimes.

Speaker 18 Like, you know, you know, it's like, what you mean, unknown but look at me and look at you, boy, you look 50, you look 60, you know, because you're drinking your life away and you're smoking and all that.

Speaker 18 But my body feel good, uncle. You hear me? I ain't never been hurt.
I don't have no injuries. I take care of myself, you know?

Speaker 10 You go back out there, you'll be hurt.

Speaker 18 You think so?

Speaker 18 I think I have the

Speaker 18 self-awareness. and the IQ to be able to protect myself if given the opportunity to play at the highest level.

Speaker 10 You think so?

Speaker 18 yeah i don't i might not have the speed i i still have my my my lateral movement uh my quick no it ain't the same it ain't the same but even if it's not the same it's still better than what's out there

Speaker 10 no you don't think so

Speaker 10 you don't lost too much of it your spidey senses don't tinkle anymore

Speaker 10 Because they ain't been on. You ain't turned them on in a long time.
It's like a car. You could have a baddest car.
You could have a Bugatti. Pay

Speaker 10 $6 million for it. But don't let it

Speaker 10 put it in put it in your garage and don't cut it on for 12 years 14 years 15 years you're right you're right you think it go crank

Speaker 18 yeah it should it should no it won't

Speaker 10 and then and then you're gonna have to then you have to go take it to the shop get all the fluids flushed oh man

Speaker 10 You gotta realize, Ocho, you haven't run like that. Yeah,

Speaker 10 like that, like you used to run in a very long time. You're right, you're right, you're right.

Speaker 10 I think there's a greater chance that you will hurt something than you go out there and look like your old self.

Speaker 18 Hey, hey, boy, the chat on my head, boy. Hey, they so what did they say? They call you all kind of names: Chad Hurts,

Speaker 18 Chad Leaf,

Speaker 18 yeah, exactly, Chad Blesso, Chad DeVito.

Speaker 10 Pete Carroll was asked today about Geno Smith's obscene gesture as he defended his quarterback. He said, Did you see the sign? Did you see what the sign said? Next question:

Speaker 10 Well, we know what the sign said. Bigger bus, Geno or Jamarcus Russell.

Speaker 10 Was Geno and Max Crosby overreacting?

Speaker 18 Hey,

Speaker 18 I mean, eh.

Speaker 18 I wouldn't, eh.

Speaker 18 That's a tough one. I wouldn't say overreacted.
Boom, you're talking trash to me. You got to sign right in my face.
All I've done for you. I'm back here in Seattle, and that's what you think of me.

Speaker 18 I laid my life on the line as your quarterback, number one, for a couple of years. You know, things didn't work out, and that's how you think of me.
I'm coming back. I'm coming back with grace.

Speaker 18 I love you. I did everything I could for you as a Seahawk.
And that's how you feel. Now you feel I'm a bus.
What are we talking about?

Speaker 18 Huh? If anything, you should be applauding me

Speaker 18 clap for me

Speaker 18 i know as a quarterback number one you hold me to a standard as is is is in comparison to some of the greats i wasn't tom brady i wasn't peyton manning but i done all i could and laid it on the line for you week in and week out 12

Speaker 10 well look it's not even i mean it's not even close to being true now if geno smith was ryan leaf

Speaker 10 okay we have a conversation about him or geno i mean him or Jamarcus.

Speaker 18 Don't do that as a fan. Like, come on, man.

Speaker 10 Geno was comeback player of the year.

Speaker 10 He threw a career high 30 touchdown, lead the league in completion percentage, and earned back-to-back Pro Bowls. So, by no stretch of the imagination, is Geno Smith a bust?

Speaker 18 No, no, but I mean, listen, fans do certain things to get up under your skin. Yeah, you know, you leave a situation most of the time

Speaker 18 and you come back.

Speaker 18 Some people

Speaker 18 let their true feelings show on how they really feel about you.

Speaker 18 Now, I understand your loyalty might be to the Seahawks, but all I've done, this is how you really feel about me, truthfully, now that I'm not here.

Speaker 10 Yes.

Speaker 18 Like, come on, man. Don't do me like that.

Speaker 10 Yes.

Speaker 18 Don't do me like that. You mean I dated you for

Speaker 18 four, five, six, six years. And now that I'm going, wait, this is how you truly feel about me? Now that I'm no longer around because I'm a no balance,

Speaker 18 that hurts. That stings.
So I can understand where the middle finger came from.

Speaker 18 I understand. Like, what are we talking about?

Speaker 18 I sacrificed

Speaker 18 you

Speaker 18 to make you happy. On Sundays at one o'clock, I was throwing touchdowns to DK and Tyler Lockett to make you happy.

Speaker 10 No

Speaker 10 fan.

Speaker 10 A lot of players play for

Speaker 10 teammates' respect, coaches, trust, fans' appreciation.

Speaker 10 I guess you didn't appreciate me as much as I thought you did.

Speaker 18 I like that.

Speaker 10 So it does hurt. It does.

Speaker 10 When you put what you put into it.

Speaker 10 LeBron might not ever admit this, but it hurt him going back to Cleveland, considering what he gave him.

Speaker 10 Yeah, he left.

Speaker 10 But, bro, I did lay it on the line for you. I gave you seven great years.

Speaker 10 Did all I could.

Speaker 10 And then you burned my jersey. You say all these things about

Speaker 10 Gino's like

Speaker 10 I had to, I resurrected my career in Seattle.

Speaker 10 All I wanted was to be appreciated. I know my teammates respecting me.
I know my coach is trusting me.

Speaker 10 Does when you put when you put a lot into something,

Speaker 10 Granny used to say all the time, boy, I hate an ungrateful person.

Speaker 10 That irks me too.

Speaker 10 That irks me too. I hate ungratefulness.

Speaker 10 With Seattle the best, sometimes you better be careful what you wish for.

Speaker 10 I guess you didn't like

Speaker 10 Geno.

Speaker 10 Well,

Speaker 10 ain't no thing that you getting, what's his came from Minnesota.

Speaker 10 What's the guy? Sam Darnall. Sam Darno.
Yeah. Ain't no guarantee.

Speaker 10 He ain't got the weapons that he had in Minnesota. Yeah.

Speaker 10 He ain't got no Jeddah. He ain't got no Addison.
He ain't got Hawkinson. He ain't got Aaron Jones.
And he ain't got Kevin O'Connell calling plays.

Speaker 10 And

Speaker 10 we saw the last two games, right? Did you see the last two games?

Speaker 10 Ocho, what was the craziest sign you saw as a player?

Speaker 18 Oh, man, that's a good one, huh? That's that's a good one. Hey, oh, my goodness.

Speaker 18 Oh, my goodness. I enjoy those environments too, Uncle.

Speaker 18 Oh my goodness, the craziest sign.

Speaker 18 Probably

Speaker 18 the ochro, instead of ochro sinko, probably ochro stinko.

Speaker 18 Yeah, yeah, yeah, most of the time. And then it's so funny.
They would have their signs. They would have their signs and I would talk trash back.

Speaker 18 And, you know, walk up to the stand did you sign one of their signs didn't you sign somebody's sign always yep or we always sign that sign and listen and they always say the same thing listen

Speaker 10 we do this because we love you it has nothing to say for the wrong team but you won our favorites and everybody say the same thing they they don't really mean it but they don't have a choice but to go against me if you really did suck nobody says the guy that they getting in the game you suck right right it's only the players that's really good that suck which means you don't you don't actually suck.

Speaker 10 That means you're very, very good.

Speaker 10 Ain't nobody booing Tom Brady's backup. They're booing Brady.
Yeah.

Speaker 10 They're not booing to Peyton Man. The guy,

Speaker 10 I guarantee you, if the quarterback, I mean, look, they're going to blew the opposing team, but the loudest booze, let's just say Tom Brady wasn't first, he was third. Right.

Speaker 10 They're going to be looking for Brady because they want to boo him. You boo greatness.

Speaker 18 Hey, I talk about I love playing in hostile environments. I love, love.
I couldn't listen. Playing at home is cool.
That's fun. Yeah.

Speaker 18 I like people cursing and talking trash. And all that.
That did, that was just,

Speaker 18 I was so comfortable being uncomfortable in hostile environments.

Speaker 10 Well, y'all, y'all rival, y'all rival was Cleveland.

Speaker 10 Because remember when Sam White got on the phone and said don't throw batteries you live in Cincinnati you don't live in Cleveland right yeah you got that that was that was you guys because you're both in Ohio yeah yeah Battle of Ohio right

Speaker 10 so it's uh

Speaker 10 uh

Speaker 10 it's a it's a natural it's a natural rival yeah um

Speaker 10 i mean look there was no love loss in the before they renamed it the afc north it was the afc central right um I think it was still the AFC Central when you got in. They changed it like in 02.

Speaker 10 They went to

Speaker 10 the eight

Speaker 10 four team divisions

Speaker 10 because it used to be Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Cleveland,

Speaker 10 Baltimore,

Speaker 10 Tennessee.

Speaker 10 And Jacksonville. We were all in one division, Ocho.

Speaker 10 We were all in one division. that's crazy and then they you know they split it up and then they took jacksonville and tennessee and put them in the south

Speaker 10 you know uh we used to be in seattle used to be in the afc west

Speaker 10 then they went to the nfc west

Speaker 10 but it stayed uh the chargers the raiders us and kansas city but uh

Speaker 10 Like when you got like the rate, the Raiders, you know, obviously the Raiders and was our biggest rivals

Speaker 10 because we came in, they came in like the AFL together, the Chiefs.

Speaker 10 But it's different, play, it's definitely different playing on the road than at home.

Speaker 10 You feel it as you're driving in, everybody's already tailgating, and I'm saying, you know what I'm saying? Oh, Joe, they're already tailgating, and they do it.

Speaker 10 They throw in the football, they got their drinking beer.

Speaker 10 Like, how the hell y'all drinking beer at nine o'clock in the morning?

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 10 But they, you know, they getting their thing, they getting their grilling.

Speaker 10 Uh, Cleveland, Cleveland fans,

Speaker 10 I will give them credit for as little as they've won in the last 30 plus years.

Speaker 10 Them mofos show up every

Speaker 10 look.

Speaker 10 I can understand, Ocho, had they went to the AFC championship game or they went to the Super Bowl, and even if they lost, but the way they show up for their team to not win more than what they do,

Speaker 10 I ain't seen nothing like it. Ain't no way I'm going to sit out there in the cold, let alone get up and tailgate for a team that's going

Speaker 10 4-13, 4-12. Oh, no.

Speaker 18 Listen, I had a special relationship with those Cleveland fans, especially Big Dog. I'm not sure what Big Dog is at this point.
Every time I do, I'm on here and we talk about Cleveland.

Speaker 18 I always curious how Big Dog is doing. Everyone that sat in that, I think that might be the North, the North end zone, they show such love in a hostile way.

Speaker 18 And I made sure to show that love back, even though obviously they're the opposing fans, but I've always showed them respect. They've always showed me respect.

Speaker 18 And they knew, understood, when it was game time, huh?

Speaker 18 When it's game time,

Speaker 18 man, forget you.

Speaker 18 We're going to have some fun. And I remember getting permission.
I think I might be the only person that's done that and been accepting of that is when I did, I leaped in the dog pound. Remember?

Speaker 18 You remember when I jumped in the dog

Speaker 18 on your ass?

Speaker 18 So I asked

Speaker 18 big dog before the game started. I said, listen, if I happen to scroll on this end, I want to jump to you.
No disrespect, but let me jump to you. And he said, yeah, well, come on and do it.
And long

Speaker 10 he's one person, right?

Speaker 18 Yeah, yeah, big dog. Yeah, one person.
Big, big man, big man.

Speaker 10 But there are more people in the

Speaker 10 pound than you. I know.

Speaker 18 I know. But listen, I scrolled on that end and I looked for him and I saw him.
I jumped right to him. Everybody else around, man, I smell like beer to hold the rest of of the game.

Speaker 10 It did, they shoved your ass out the club. Shove me right out of the club.
Listen, that was, hey, that was a great moment for me, man. That was a great moment for me.
And don't please.

Speaker 10 You wild for that one.

Speaker 18 It was awesome. It was awesome.

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