BEST OF NFL Preseason Week 1 Part 2: Travis Hunter & Cam Ward's NFL debut

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Okay, we saw the debut today.

Travis Hunter Ocho saw action on both sides of the football in his preseason debut, the Jags versus the Steelers.

On offense, he had 11 snaps, two receptions, nine yards.

On defense, he had eight snaps with zero targets.

Um,

oh Joe, I might have to get a couple of old jobs like you because the way they got these games spread out and how you're gonna have to pay, damn near.

You basically got to pay to watch each individual game.

Oh, Joe, listen, you know what you can do?

You can use YouTube TV, you can use YouTube TV where you get most of the games, and also I have the NFL app on my phone.

So, the NFL app allows you to be able to go back and forth through some of the games you want to.

You can't see them all at the same time, but it's just the preseason.

It's just the preseason.

So, it's kind of difficult to be able to watch the ones you want to watch based on location

and where they are.

So,

most of them are reaching out.

Right, right, right.

But once the regular season gets in, you know, you'll be able to watch multiple at one time, especially the one o'clock games, obviously, the 4:30 games, and then those that are slated at 7:30.

Right.

Um, he did have 11 snaps, two receptions for nine yards.

Uh, nothing deep, nothing significant.

He gave up leverage on one play.

He'll learn.

These guys are really good.

If you got leverage and he had leverage, you let the guy bounce outside.

You ain't catching those guys.

You got to maintain your lane and responsibility and integrity.

But like I said, it was, you know, I just wanted to see what, you know, we saw what we saw.

You know what I'm saying?

I mean, how do we rate it?

He caught two passes for nine yards and he had eight snaps with two targets i mean the one thing is it's kind of it's not it's not it's not nitpicking one thing that he will learn too on the two pass that he get he did he did catch i call it i always call it that marvin harrison remember peyton manning and marvin harrison always having that under that short under six yards coming in but he did so well in college that the players and the dbs in college didn't do they would over commit so much he'd be be able to spin out the back door he'd be able to spin out the back door but now now that you're at the next level they don't over commit they come the balance right away and they make the tackle

so he tried

and you got to be careful with that too

you know them big guys

you know the big guys trailing now oh yeah yeah yeah

you know the hey hey because what what happens when they see that ball thrown

yeah they're coming but but this is the thing you got to remember he's coming from outside the inn and trying to spin back outside hope he b is out of control but most of the time they're not out of control no so they were under control listen you you you you split the man in half when you attack coming to tackle you always hit the target so i mean outside yeah you keep your up you you don't let him get on your outside shoulder because a lot of times like you said they over commit and the outside shoulder inside the man now he spins out now you see as long as my outside shoulder is free i can do it yeah yeah so And that's it.

That's it.

He'll see.

It'll be much more difficult to be able to do some of those tricks that you did in college because these were out of control.

They overcommit.

They attack in the inside shoulder.

You know, and all you got to do, once you spin back, it becomes a foot race and you run it down the sideline.

Racing to the corner.

Now I got my inside hat.

I got my stiff arm free.

The stiff arm, you'll pick up yards.

But yeah, those are things that, you know, as you play at this level, you'll learn a lot of the tricks of the trade.

You'll know when to get down, when you can fight and struggle for extra yards, because I'm telling you, those big guys and those licks hurt.

When them 300 pounds hit you, that's different than a DB tackle you now.

Because he hitting, he putting helmet on you and he putting 300 pounds.

Exactly.

So,

and on defensive side, like I said, he just had

that one play that I saw that he gave up leverage.

But other than that, nothing, you know, really major to write home about.

I don't think it's going to be really hard to judge him, Ocho, unless he gets significant snaps.

You know what I'm saying?

And they give him an opportunity.

And we see him, we see them like game plan to get him to football.

It's hard.

I mean, he caught two passes.

And I thought, obviously, the hype around Travis Hunter,

second round, I mean, second pick in the draft.

I thought they were going to feature him a little bit, but obviously the play.

Yeah.

They allowed Trevor Lawrence.

They allowed the offense to flow.

Whatever they gave him, they just didn't feature him.

First play of the game, Bryance Harmon Jr.

goddamn hitch on the right side.

Then I thought they would come to him at some point and just get him acclimated and then get him going.

But nah, nah, they just waited.

When the opportunity presented itself, they threw in the ball.

And, you know, it was, it was simple.

Yeah, me personally, I think he's going to spend more time on offense than defense, but hey,

that remains to be seen.

But I do think you'll probably get a lot more.

You will see a lot more of Travis and what he's capable of doing once the season started.

I don't think they're going to, you know.

try to prove any point or make anything, you know, do anything, have him do anything spectacular in the postseason.

Because the thing is, Ocho, I want to, you know, you try to keep most of your stuff under wrap.

I don't want to show you too much in the preseason because these games don't mean anything.

I'm just trying to get timely.

I'm trying to get the guys, you know, get the guys in football shape.

Because here's the thing.

Now, with three games, you play the third game.

Now you got a week in between when you play again.

It used to be, you know, Ocho, we played that Thursday, Friday.

And guess what?

We was playing the following Sunday.

It's not like that anymore.

So So now you play.

Now you got another week in between before you go play.

And so I'm just trying to get the guys as conditioned as I possibly can.

Let them know what is going to be expected, you know, the timing and all that stuff.

But I think Trav is fine.

Like I said, 11 snaps, two receptions, nine yards, eight snaps, zero targets.

He got 19 snaps, which is

probably about what you would think if he was just a rookie playing on one side of the ball.

That's probably what you thought he would get about 19 snaps.

Yeah,

I'm excited for him, man.

But the most outstanding thing in the game happened when Jaguars kicker Cam Little nailed a 70-yard field goal as the first half expired in Jacksonville's preseason open against the Steelers.

That would have broken the NFL record had it been the regular season.

Justin Tucker kicked a 66-yard field goal to beat the Lions September 26, 2021 at Ford Field.

Now, it's a lot different.

It's a lot different kicking outside than it is inside because you got control conditions.

You don't have to worry about wind.

You don't have to worry about rain.

You don't have to worry about anything.

That field goal that this gentleman kicked looked like it had been good for him about 72 because he boomed it.

Yeah, he did.

He did.

He boomed it, though.

He boomed it.

And look, I don't care.

I know it's preseason, doesn't count.

Well,

you go out there to the high school field and kick a 72.

It's very difficult.

I don't think people understand how far that is.

Even for those who are professionals, you have to understand being able to kick it from that far.

One, most people do have the leg, but the problem is it's not about having a leg and act, it's about having the accuracy to be able to kick from that far.

You have to understand the uprights have been, have been changed.

They're a lot more narrow than they used to be.

So for the room for error, the room for error when kicking, you know, most of the time the ball, depending on if you have the consistency, yes, yes, yes, that you have the consistency in your follow-through.

You can't swing to the left or you can't leave your leg open and it'll go wide right.

No, everything has to be perfect.

That finish, that follow.

Especially when you're kicking it that far.

Because if anything is off, you kick it that far.

And the funny thing about it is,

most people say, well, it is a preseason.

There's no pressure as well

in this kick.

There's no pressure.

The circumstance that you're in.

You know, it's preseason.

You know what we're gonna allow you to kick will they allow him to kick from 70 maybe in a regular season game where it actually counts uh probably not because well if you think about it

you got to understand the team is already in

steelers didn't even put anybody back that was my point they didn't even put anybody back there right

so they're like hey don't even worry about it because hey Because that's the thing, that is the thing, what you're saying is that they normally have a guy back there.

And if you miss it, you got really only two guys, maybe your wings, that can tackle.

They're normally linebackers or tight ends.

So those are really, you only really got two guys that can tackle.

You got offensive linemen, mainly offensive linemen.

Now, you might have a defensive lineman on there, Ocho, but he ain't tackling in space.

No.

And you know the kicker, what's the likelihood of the kicker, the holder getting somebody down?

Because we saw it on the kick six, Auburn versus Alabama.

We've seen Antonio Cremarti run those things back.

We've seen

Devin Hefster run it back.

I think OBJ ran one back in college.

So when you put people in situations that they're not used to being in, which is offensive linemen having to tackle,

kickers and punters having to tackle, especially with that kind of space.

Now, if you get him hemmed up on the sideline, you can try to push him out of bounds.

But that guy done got ahead of steam.

And, you know, they're taught and linemen don't really know how to get lanes, Ocho, because you know, they following each other.

They following right behind one another.

Bro, spread the ass out.

You, we got lanes now that you have to get in.

And, but that was,

I was like, and why not, like you said, Ocho, why not try something like this?

Okay, now I got the confidence.

Because if it's a, if it's a late-in-the-ball game, instead of trying to hell marry, hell, I might, I might let the kids come out there and try to either tie a game or the win a game.

Yeah, I mean, especially if we're in Indy or Houston, because those are indoor reasons.

There's no factors from the outside elements.

Yes.

Yes.

So congratulations.

Look, congratulations.

It does not count towards the record, but

you know now

I got the leg.

The coach knows you have the leg.

Hey, you know who?

Because you got to think, oh, Joe, that's a kickoff.

Oh, yeah, absolutely.

He does a kickoff.

Hold on, wait a minute now.

You do know your co-hosts can kick just as far, right?

No, you never kicked that far.

Hold on, time out time out time out time out onk you know there's video there's visual evidence there's video evidence i don't know ash is there uh you have you have a great team of people that can pull things up they no she on vacation

ash can you please show onk me kicking from 60 65 yards please and having even more room to go once it goes through i think i might have been with um during this time i might have been with bleach report we were we were doing something it's it's it's online

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

I'm talking about in the game.

Now, if you can't, I saw you make

a PAT in the game.

65 yards in the game

or just doing it in the park, practicing.

It's still, I haven't.

So

a guy catching the ball in the turkey bowl is the same as kicking the ball in the NFL.

But we're not talking about a guy.

We're talking, you're actually referring to an actual player who plays, you know, in the NFL or played.

Played.

Right.

Many, many years ago.

But I still can.

Mentally, I know what to do.

Now, the body might not react the way it should.

Yeah, I know.

I know what to do.

I know how to run.

I know how to like swing my arms and put one leg in front of the other, but doing it is something entirely different.

I'm just trying to give you a small example that your co-host can kick 65, 70 yards as well.

No, maybe once upon a time, my co-host can kick 65, 70 yards.

You have to realize, I've got I play soccer every weekend.

I'm part of a soccer league here in Miami out here.

Let me ask you a question.

You think you

think

Messi leg speed is the same as it was, say, 15 years ago?

Speed easy, like being able to break out and get away from people.

No,

I said his leg speed.

Oh, no, absolutely not.

No, no, no.

Why not?

Because he's much older now.

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cam ward nfl preseason debut tonight in tampa five of eight completions all completions coming on the second drive 67 yards passing an 89.1 rating, led a 65-yard touchdown drive.

Ojo, the little bit, the limited action that you saw.

You like what you saw?

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

The funny thing about it is, you know what?

Is these players are NFL ready?

Some rookies that I saw today are so poisoned to pocket.

Most of the time, they get happy feet when pressure

is put upon them, but they look like they've been playing.

for 10 plus years.

They look like veterans.

The pocket presence,

the relaxedness

under the rest, Cam Ward showed it.

Jackson Dart showed it as well.

Obviously, we saw Shadura last night, who also played with that same calmness and poise.

And you can see the leadership qualities in the way they carry themselves as quarterbacks.

And Cam, small sample size that we were able to see tonight.

He didn't play much, but

you can tell he's sharp.

You can tell he's been coached well, not just here at the NFL level where he's at now, because it doesn't just happen that fast.

It's not that fast of a turnaround to look that comfortable like you know what you're doing

so he was coached very well obviously when he was at um and so it's carried over into the nfl and i'm excited for tennessee titan fans you know and and what they had with the number one pick i just don't like the fact that he's been overshadowed since his pick because everyone else has been talked about this is the least talked about number one pick i think maybe

uh what ever ever huh you were the number one pick so it seemed like he's went under the radar.

No one said anything about him when most of the pressure is on a number one pick to perform because you're going to the that was the worst last year

like you said i can fly under the radar

uh

the difference is now ocho these guys come in they've been coached by

throwing coaches since they were in high school their freshman year so they're not like the guys that came in 25 years ago they was just coming to the nfl and then, okay, hey, you get, you hire a coach right before you're getting ready to go, you know, to the end of to the combine, and then you work with him up until your pro day, and that's it.

These guys have these guys all the time.

It's just like basketball players.

They got shooting coaches and they got trainers

now in college.

So they have an upper hand.

That's why they're so, when you find a guy that's ready, he's really ready to play.

Yes.

These receivers, they work with guys.

So when you find a guy that's ready, he's really, really ready.

And so guys are not coming in like you, I mean, like I came in.

I mean, guys, you know, tied up, I mean, guys would go down there for like maybe six weeks and work with a speed coach.

But these guys got professionals basically training them.

Sometimes they have them in high school, Ocho.

So just imagine.

You going through the process and

they're giving you pro style advice.

and you know what i think that's why so many different quarterbacks obviously they look the par but don't have all the other intangibles to be a starter

they look the par but cam ward not only did he look the par but he had everything else he had all the other qualities that make him the number one pick obviously shador falling to the fifth round not only did he look the par but he has all the other intangibles that made that made him a top pick despite him falling to the fifth round

right they polished

they're polished That's all it is.

You're a rookie who's been prepared for the NFL level.

So you look to par once you're in a

structured environment in a real live game.

God damn, how the hell are you dropping back so goddamn calm?

Everybody rushing, trying to knock his head off, and he's sitting there chilling, progression.

One, two, three.

Okay, three's not there.

Let me shoot back the one.

If one ain't there, I'm either throw it out of the bounds or I'm gonna tuck it and run.

Nah, hell, nah.

You better not.

If you go one, two, three and try to go back to one, they're gonna hit you, you, put your put this helmet right up under your chair.

You better take that check down.

Yeah.

Hey, one, two, three, check down.

One, two, three, throw it out of bounds.

Take off with it.

Yeah.

And I think, Ocho, I think that's what we're seeing.

If you look at these quarterbacks, I mean, it used to be a quarterback throwing for 20 touchdowns of a season was like, oh my gosh, he really did.

Man, these guys are throwing for 25, 30 touchdowns.

Easy.

It's a dip.

Look, and I understand the rules have a lot to do with that.

The way they protect the quarterback, the way they protect the receiver, the way they throw the football now is more conducive for quarterback having better stats.

But I do think these guys are a little bit more advanced

than when the older guys, the Montanas and the Elways and the Marinos, when they came out.

I'm not saying they're better, but they're coached more.

And so

I don't, John probably never, I don't know, Danny or John to be interesting.

Man,

you had a pro coach, you had a a Tom House, or you have a, what's Carson Palmer's brother?

Hey, Jordan Palmer's, real deal.

Did you have a Jordan Palmer?

Did you have a George Whitfield?

Did you have any of those guys to help you?

All these quarterbacks, they have those.

Offensive linemen, they're working out with offensive line coaches.

They're working out with former great NFL linemen.

So

they're a little bit more advanced than, say, the guys, you know, even if you want to say 10 years ago, 15 years ago, definitely when you go start going back 20, 30 years ago, they're more advanced, just like the guys are coming out in basketball.

You see how, and even baseball, these guys, you know, fathers played, and so they got, you know, hitting coaches, they got pitching coaches.

They're looking at biomechanics and they're looking at all the best.

The funny thing about it is, you think about the time and the time change.

And knowledge

is advanced and everything evolves, they have better resources.

They got unlimited resources

better at said position, whatever it may be, whatever their respective craft may be to hone that skill set.

So when they do make it to the highest level, they look the par right.

Now, it's one thing to look the par.

Everybody, I mean, the it factor can get you in the door, but you got to have all the other stuff that comes with it to excel.

Yeah,

I totally agree.

But I thought Cal Ward played really well, especially last last second drive.

You got the ball to Calvin Ridley.

You know, really, hey, that's somebody he can lean heavily on because he's one of the premier rock runners, and he started to get, he started to look like Calvin Ridley again.

Because you remember that last year that he really played in Atlanta.

He was cutting.

He was cutting.

He was doing it.

He was really doing it.

On the other side of the ball, rookie Shiloh Sanders delivered multiple big hits, including one on Brandon Allen on the Blitz.

First-round draft pick, Imeka

Buka, also showed off his physical attributes, leaping 21-yard grab, backup quarterback Kyle Trask.

I mean, Shadura's played really well.

I mean, I've seen footage of him in camp.

He did a great job of

in the one-on-one team, a one-on-one period against the Tyrion.

I saw him.

He's on it.

He was on it.

Because you have to understand,

he started out as a corner.

oh so he does have i didn't know that i thought he was always a safe yeah he started out as a corner and then moved to safety

uh

but when yeah yeah he i i thought he played well we know he's a thumper he's looking to get looking get down here

yeah but i i thought he uh and i think it's going to be interesting ocho how many special teams can he play

Because that's going to be the key.

He's not a start.

Now he could be working his way into the starting lineup, but as of right now, I don't think he's a starter.

So, now, what other ways can you contribute?

He'll be on special teams, whether it be field goal, block, whether it be

kickoff.

Yeah, punt return.

Can you be a jammer?

Can you be a gunner?

Yeah.

Can you be on the front line?

Can you be a L1, two, three, four, five on the front line?

You definitely gonna be on kickoff, obviously.

Yeah.

Hey, is it me, or does it seem like kickoff is much more much easier as opposed as opposed to how it was during our day you know where you had the wedge buster you you had the ball yeah

yeah they don't they don't they don't really want those type of collisions so they don't if you see they're not letting you get that kind of running start yeah

um

it's different it's not it's i mean uh i i think hester said he'd have probably more return touchdowns had they had it in like that so it's been interesting to to see what would have happened Um, but the advancements, I don't, I don't have a problem with Bocho.

I mean, sometimes, like, man, it's different.

It's very different.

It's very different.

Uh,

the guy that you really like in the first round, the uh Bucs selected, uh, Imeka

Ibuka.

Uh,

you look uh, you like him, you like Macmillan, uh, Carolina, and they both look good.

You like, uh, I think, what the gold, did Golden go in the first round or the second round for three?

Golden.

Okay.

Oh, yeah.

I think Golden Miller.

He ran 4-2.

First, number 23.

Then it had Jaden Higgins winning the second round.

Luther Burton the third witness second round.

Trey Harris went in the second round.

And Jack Beach witnessed the second round.

So there were, in the first two rounds, there were seven receivers that went in the first two rounds.

Who do you expect to have the biggest impact?

Probably, honestly, out of everyone you just named, I know Matthew Golden is good.

He's phenomenal.

Obviously, they do have dubs.

They have Jaden Reed.

So I don't think he will get the number of targets necessary to be able to showcase

Reed, Dobbs, Washington.

There's so many of them over there.

I think he will contribute.

But I really believe T-Mac,

McMillan, over there with the Panthers.

And with what he's able to do and what he showed, very small sample size.

Honestly, it's been one preseason game.

But again, I've been high on the Panthers.

I think T-Mac is going to be the one to showcase his ability and what he can do.

It's a mismatch every time he leaving one-on-one.

He's very tall.

He can run after the catch.

And

I'll be 50-50 ball turning to 80-20 when it is him.

So

I'm excited for him.

He's the one I'm highest on

and hoping that not just him, but collectively as a group, offensively as a receiving core, I think they make the difference in Bryce Young taking the next step in his career.

I agree.

I think him.

I like Ibuka also for the simple fact.

How healthy

will Godwin be upon his return?

I don't think he's on pup, but so it's going to be interesting to see

how he used, because you know,

we know Baker could throw it.

You got Mr.

Consistency on one side, Evans, Mike Evans.

And then, so

Buka could really have

a huge year.

But I like McMillan also.

Long angular guy.

What is he like?

6'3, 6'4?

Make tough contested catches.

He's good, run after the catch.

Yeah, I

mean, I think he's good.

I think Matthew Golden, I mean, you look, you look at Romeo Dobbs, you mentioned Christian Watson, you mentioned Reed.

They got a lot of receivers.

They don't really have a guy that, like, okay, this is the guy that you got to worry about.

You kind of got to worry about them all because at any given moment, because you know, it might be Dobbs weeks, one week, and then it'll be Christian Watson.

Watson's biggest thing is stay healthy.

Hey, hey, he can put him up and put him down.

Hell,

he can pick him up.

But the goddamn

Packers got a 4x1 team, huh?

They got a 4x1 team.

Dubbs, Watson, Reed can fly,

Golden can fly,

man.

Stop playing.

Uh,

yeah i um

i think mcmillan and buuca abuka would have the biggest but i'm not gonna sleep on uh you know luther burton a lot of people thought he'd be a first-round draft pick receiver out of missouri uh he go he goes to the bears they got dj moore they got roman doomsday uh they drafted a tight end in the first round they still have cold cabette they've upgraded their offensive line they should be and They got

Detroit's old offensive coordinator as the head coach calling a play.

Mr.

Creativity.

Mr.

Yeah.

So they should definitely be better offensively.

And if they are better offensively, well,

big number.

Because if you look at Detroit, you look at Jamison Williams, had a phenomenal season.

You look at Amon Ross St.

Brown.

Oh, yeah.

Had a big season.

You know what's funny?

Is Amon Ross St.

Brown?

He's one of the top five receivers, depending on how you put him in numerical order in the NFL.

Well, I really don't think it didn't matter who was calling the goddamn plays because he's so good at just route running in general.

He's a polished one.

You know what?

I don't have to scheme you open.

He's one of those where offensive coordinators and your head coach.

You know what?

I can sleep at night because I ain't got to worry about that one.

It don't matter who we playing.

I don't have to worry about him.

I know what he can do.

So you add what he can do and his skill set and his DNA, and then you put that with the creativity that Ben Johnson has.

you get what you saw last year.

You get magic.

You get magic.

Now, I don't know if there's anyone like that with that type of skill set similar to Amon Ross St.

Brown on the Bears, but DJ Moore is damn good.

He's not that far behind.

He doesn't have that short area quickness like that.

No, no, no, no, no.

That's not what he is.

Can he play the spot?

Yeah, but he's an outside the number.

He and Roman Dunza is an outside the number type of guys.

So he's going to be all right.

The good thing about it is, Ben Johnson is going to understand and know his players' strengths and put them in position to be able to make those plays and not allow them to be exposed in whatever that we can see is that we can't see watching from home.

We don't know it.

They know it.

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He was three or four on pass in 42 yards, ran the ball twice for 14 yards and didn't take a single sack.

Fields orchestrated a sharp opening drive against the Packers, starting defense, capping it off with a 13-yard rushing touchdown.

This set the tone for an excellent preseason open for Aaron Glenn's squad.

Does Phil remaining calm, composed, in a controlled pocket?

What do you think, Ocho?

Do you think...

Did you like what you saw from him?

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

Listen, we saw flashes of brilliance when he was with the Bears.

We saw flashes of what he can do when he's with the Pittsburgh Steelers.

So what we saw tonight is what we expected from Fields.

It's all about him just being consistent and being able to do it week to week to week.

He's always wanted his opportunity to be a starting quarterback.

I think he wasn't dealt a fair deal in Chicago because when you look at the Chicago Bears and that organization and the way they conducted and handled quarterbacks throughout the years, it hasn't been great at all.

It hasn't been great at all.

It just hasn't.

Now things are a little different.

Got Ben Johnson there, Caleb Williams.

Things are different.

The way they're running the system, obviously, in Pittsburgh,

Russ was promised a starting job.

Russ gets hurt.

Justin Field comes in.

He plays phenomenal.

He plays phenomenal, but obviously once Russ gets healthy, Russ, I mean, Justin Field is benched.

Boom.

Damn it.

Can I just get opportunity?

Can I get an opportunity to shine and show what I can do with the quarterback position?

I can be quarterback number one.

If you put me in a situation that is advantageous for me and my skill set, now

that in New York with a player's coach that played the game and understands exactly what you can and can do and going to do what he needs to do to make sure you're successful.

You got Garrett Wilson, I don't know who, and I can't remember his last name.

I meant to write it down.

I don't know if it was a fullback that kept making those plays tonight

or a tight end.

I think he wore 47.

I think he was wearing 47.

Hey, Young Bull popped out on film.

He popped out on film to the point.

Well, I don't know who this is, but I guarantee you he's going to have a starting job.

I don't know if it was a fullback or a tight end, but he was bowling.

Jets had 403 yards, uh, total yards.

Green Bay had two turnovers.

Time of possession was 38-41.

Jets,

21-19.

First downs was 21-12 in favor of the Jets.

Like I said, I think his name is Jay Tufelli.

He made a team

tonight.

He did.

With two sacks.

And he had a fumble recovery for a touchdown.

Yeah.

Are you going to be all right?

Yeah.

But I think that's the key for him.

The Jet

showed Justin Fields that they wanted him.

Yeah.

They gave him a two-year deal.

They put him in.

He's the starter.

They do have Tyrod to be his backup.

But that's what he wanted.

That's why he didn't go back to Pittsburgh.

He said, no, y'all already showed me what y'all want.

Y'all already did me.

How y'all going to do this?

Pittsburgh.

You're not going to do me dirty twice.

Listen, Pittsburgh is a situation where there's a young lady that wants you.

She wants you.

She don't want nobody else to have you.

So she puts you in the friend zone.

Until the dude, she really wants to get his act together.

Okay, now I'm going to put you off on the bench.

Now

I'm going to go deal with Russ.

That's the situation last year.

So listen, you get smart.

That ain't the situation that's ideal for me and where I want to go.

New York is perfect for him.

He got somebody that actually wants him.

I mean, you have somebody that actually wants you.

You're able to play freely.

Understanding, okay, I don't have to look over my shoulder.

I don't have the pressure of having to do everything perfect and do everything right i can just play football

that's the thing and i think um ag

you know they moved over from aaron rodgers basically for justin fields yeah

and but he made it easy for him huh

he made it

made it easy no you have someone like a g ain't playing with that uh i'm not sure if i'm ready i don't know if i'm buying in i don't know if i'm be there for training camp i don't know if i'm going to take a dog.

Man, AG ain't got time for that.

I'm trying to change the entire culture.

And I need players that are bought in whether you've been playing five years or we've been playing 20.

I need you on the same page with me.

And he just wasn't.

Only if you're a relative do you have tolerance for BS as a person of age.

Yeah.

You know, you, you,

if that person's not related to you, though, people are like, yeah, man, you know, old people.

And, you know, look,

at this juncture, AG coming in as a new coach.

He needs everybody to be bought in.

Aaron, being as great as he is, and being who he is,

he can easily sway a locker room.

So, I think if for AG to look at it, like for me to make sure I still have control of this locker room, let's just move on.

Because I'm not so sure if Aaron,

there was something that did AG want to hear Aaron say something?

unless aaron came with that thing turning back flips like yes sir let's let's go ag i'm ready

unless he got that they probably was going to move on anyway oh joe

they probably was going to move on yeah

and uh but uh hopefully justin uh um

can seize this opportunity because this is a perfect opportunity um This might be the best opportunity because, you know, when he went to Chicago, you knew he was going to be the starter.

They just didn't have the pieces around him.

And I don't know if that system was conducive uh and the coach was conducive now he has another defensive-minded head coach but i think a g has has

an offensive guy that can put justin fields in position to be successful and listen you would you would do let's understand what justin field has at his disposal over there with the jets as well you got brees hall You got

brother Allen,

who looks like, who looks like a Derrick Henry, who looks the part.

I mean, I'm not saying he's Derrick Henry.

I'm just saying they have a one-two punch at the running back position.

We have one of

top 10 receivers in the NFL, depending on where you slate him at, depending on where you want him at, and Garrett Wilson.

Well, goddamn, who's the number two?

Damn, who is a chat?

Who's the number two at receiver man with the Jets?

It's slipping my mind.

Damn.

You think I mean look?

Alan Lazar still there?

Alan Lazar.

Josh Reynolds.

Josh Reynolds.

You remember Josh Reynolds?

I think he played for the he played for the Rams.

I think he was in like Tennessee.

So Gary.

Or was he

in

Detroit?

I'm almost certain he was with the Rams.

So, hold on.

Alan Lazard and Josh Reynolds.

So, that's the two and a three.

Garrett Wilson?

And Gary Wilson, yeah.

No, he was trying to find out.

We know Gary Wilson's that we're trying to find other receivers.

But that is Josh Reynolds.

He was with the Rams.

I think he's with Tennessee or

was it

the Lions?

Lions.

Okay, yeah.

Broncos.

He with the Broncos?

He must have been on the Batons.

You like AG?

You think AG is the right fit for the Jazz social show?

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

Listen, you need a player like that that can deal with that media.

Forget in-house.

Forget the football stuff.

Give me somebody with a mindset and a mentality that can deal with all the bullshit and the stereotypes that come along with being the head coach in a market of that magnitude.

Once you get some that's ready for that, okay, now I can work on everything else.

I can work from the top on down.

And AG is the right, right player for that.

And he played in New York.

So he definitely understands.

Listen, one thing about it, even though he played in New York, you understand how those newspapers are.

You ain't getting no cut either.

We ain't giving you no break either.

But if things ain't going right, we're going to hop on YouTube.

But hey,

the newspaper outlets and media outlets are ruthless.

And I don't know who creates some of the headlines sometimes.

Boy, they're so creative.

Uh,

that's what they say.

If you can make it in New York, you can make it anywhere, you can make it anywhere.

Hey, hey, just sitting here talking about all this quarterback play, man.

It just reminds me of my day, man, at Beach High, man.

Remind me of my days at Beach High, man.

You know, I was one of the best in the state, huh?

Huh?

You hear me?

I wanted the best in the state.

No, you want the best at Liberty.

No, no, no, no.

In the state, what I'm talking about, in the world, I was one of the best in the world.

Hey, you know what's funny?

Yeah, I'm like, for me to have played quarterback at Miami Bea Senior High in 1996, I still remember my receivers, my number one and my number two, Dwight Stirrup and Richard Lussel.

That's my little Zoe.

Dwight Stirr, I mean, Dwight was my homeboy.

He had

a joke, boy.

Ojo.

You think Joe Montana could tell you who his wide receivers were in college?

You only had two or three, OJo.

But see,

my two, Dwight Stirrup and Richard Lussel, that's my Zoe.

Richard Lucelle, that's my Zoe.

Sophia, say, Richard, if you see this, you know, hey, we was at that doing work.

hey, listen, my running back was Tobar Wilson.

Oh, my goodness, boy.

Toba, hey, he was, oh, you should have seen me out there, huh?

Hey,

okay, name the offensive line.

Name your five offensive lineman at Oregon State, at Oregon State.

At Oregon State?

Yeah.

I played received.

I don't know.

Exactly.

Exactly.

That's my point.

I was running the office like this.

Blue 80.

Blue 80.

Hey, Mike, you hot.

You hot.

You get two.

You get two off the mic.

You hot, boy.

Yeah.

Alert.

Chat, he ain't.

Alert, alert, alert, alert, alert, alert, alert.

And then I go to the gun.

Hey, Uncle I go to the gun.

He didn't do none of that.

Hey, hey, Uncle, I used to be, hey, I used to be killing that thing a quarterback.

I had him.

I had on the number two, too.

Hey, you got to remember, remember, I was the baby when I was a freshman.

D.

Starks was the quarterback.

Samari Roe was a receiver.

Terry Cousins was playing running back.

So you got to understand.

And y'all won seven games.

we was good now.

Hey, oh you gotta understand who we played against seven games against some good competition now.

What the hell?

Miami Northwestern, Miami Central, Edison High School.

Them boys were stacked back then, boy.

I ain't hear none of them players.

I ain't hearing none of them named what y'all name.

All the guys that you name played in NFT.

I'm just telling you the quality that my school had.

We had good quality.

We had good.

So what happened to the wins?

Huh?

Tell me the quality wins.

I know y'all had quality players, but what about quality wins.

That's the quality wins.

Now, I just don't remember the records from back then.

That's a very long time ago.

You know, your record.

Were y'all 14-1, 15-0, 13-2?

Obviously, no, we weren't able to.

Y'all lost to the state championship.

Y'all lost in the semifinals, quarterfinals.

Damn, I can't remember, but I did score.

Hey, listen, what I can tell you is I scored four touchdowns in one game, and nobody, nobody's done that.

Nobody scored four touchdowns in one game.

Did y'all win that game?

Yes.

Yes.

Matter of fact, we almost beat Miami Northwest in the year they won state.

One of the greatest high school receivers I saw with my own eyes, Marvin Snoop Menace, out of the Scott Projects that played for Florida State, played with Kansas City for a little bit before he got hurt.

I've never seen nothing like Snoop Menace born in high school, Uncle.

Oh my.

Yeah.

Ocho.

What am I supposed to do?

We almost beat the team that won the state.

I'm just trying to relive my story story of high school hunt that's all I'm just I'm just sharing that story so we're talking football it's taking me down memory lane because we talk about the young bulls that's going into the NFL that got an opportunity to start at the highest level and it just brought me back to where it all started that's all I'm just sharing my feelings and my story that's all my bad

it sucks it's it sucks being you oh cho it sucks being old you want want to be young so bad to go back out there.

I do, huh?

I'm doing, because listen, I'm really not old.

Like,

it kind of makes me upset and it kind of bothers me when people call me Unc.

And I think about it, well, why you calling me Unc and I look younger than you?

Sometimes, like, you know, you know, it's like, what you mean, unk?

But look at me and look at you.

Well, you look 50, you look 60, you know, because you're drinking your life away and you're smoking it, all that.

But my body feels good, honk.

You hear me?

I ain't never been hurt.

I don't have no injuries.

I take care of myself.

You go back out there, you'll be hurt.

You think so?

I think I have

the self-awareness and the IQ to be able to protect myself if given the opportunity to play at the highest level.

You think so?

Yeah.

I might not have the speed.

I still have my lateral movement.

My quick...

No, it ain't the same.

It ain't the same.

But even if it's not the same, it's still better than what's out there.

No, you don't think so.

You done lost too much of it.

Your spidey senses don't tinkle anymore

because they ain't been on.

You ain't turned them on in a long time.

It's like a car.

You could have a baddest car, you could have a Bugatti, pay

$6 million for it.

But don't let it

put it in your put it in your garage and don't cut it on for 12 years, 14 years, 15 years.

You're right.

You're right.

You think it'll go crank?

Yeah, it should.

It should.

No, it won't.

And then, and then you're going to have to, then you have to go take it to the shop, get all the fluids flushed.

Oh, man.

You got to realize, don't you, you haven't run like that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay.

Like that, like you used to run in a very long time.

You're right.

You're right.

You're right.

I think there's a greater chance that you will hurt something.

Then you go out there and look like your old self.

Hey, hey, boy, the chat on my head, boy.

Hey, they so.

What did they say?

They call you all kind of names.

Chad Hurts.

Chad Leaf.

Yeah, exactly.

Chad Bledso, Chad DeVito.

Pete Carroll was asked today about Geno Smith's obscene gesture as he defended his quarterback.

He said, did you see the sign?

Did you see what the sign said?

Next question.

Well, we know what the sign said.

Bigger bus, Geno or Jamarcus Russell.

Was Geno and Max Crosby overreacting?

Hey, I mean, eh.

That's a tough one.

I wouldn't say overreacted.

Boom, you're talking trash to me.

You got a sign right in my face.

All I've done for you.

I'm back here in Seattle and that's what you think of me.

I laid my life on the line as your quarterback number one for a couple of years.

You know, things didn't work out.

And that's how you think of me.

I'm coming back.

I'm coming back with grace.

I love you.

I did everything I could for you as a Seahawk.

And that's how you feel.

Now you feel I'm a bust.

What are we talking about?

Huh?

If anything, you should be applauding me.

Clap for me.

I know as a quarterback number one, you hold me to a standard

in comparison to some of the greats.

I wasn't Tom Brady.

i wasn't peyton manning but i done all i could and laid it on the line for you week in and week out 12

well look it's not even i mean it's not even close to being true now if geno smith was ryan leaf

okay we have a conversation about him or geno i mean him or jamarcus yeah but

don't do that as a fan like come on man gino was comeback player of the year uh He threw a career high 30 touchdown, lead the league in completion percentage, and earned back-to-back Pro Bowls.

So, by no stretch of the imagination, is Geno Smith a bust?

No, no.

But I mean, listen, fans do certain things to get up under your skin.

Yeah.

You know, you leave a situation most of the time

and you come back.

Some people

let their true feelings show on how they really feel about you.

Now, I understand your loyalty might be to the Seahawks, but all I've done, this is how you really feel about me, truthfully, now that I'm not here.

Yes.

Like, come on, man.

Don't do me like that.

Yes.

Don't do me like that.

You mean I dated you for

four, five, six, six years.

And now that I'm going, wait, this is how you truly feel about me?

Now that I'm no longer around because I'm a no balance.

That hurts.

That stings.

So I can understand where the middle finger came from.

I understand, like, what are we talking about?

I sacrificed

you

to make you happy.

On Sundays at one o'clock, I was throwing touchdowns to DK and Tyler Lockett to make you happy.

You know a fan.

A lot of players play for

teammates' respect, coaches' trust, fans' appreciation.

I guess you didn't appreciate me as much as I thought you did.

I like that.

So it does hurt.

It does.

When you put what you put into it.

LeBron might not ever meet this, but it hurt him going back to Cleveland, considering what he gave him.

Yeah, he left.

But, bro, I did lay it on the line for you.

I gave you seven great years.

Did all I could.

And then you burned my jersey.

You say all these things about.

Gino's like,

I

I resurrected my career in Seattle.

All I wanted was to be appreciated.

I know my teammates respecting me.

I know my coach is trusting me.

Does

when you put a lot into something,

Granny used to say all the time, boy, I hate an ungrateful person.

That irks me too.

That irks me too.

I hate ungratefulness.

With Seattle the best.

Sometimes you better be careful what you wish for.

I guess you didn't like.

Gino.

Well,

ain't no thing that you're getting.

Uh, what's his uh came from uh Minnesota?

What's the guy?

Sam Darno.

Sam Darno.

Yeah, ain't no guarantee.

He ain't got the weapons that he had in Minnesota.

Yeah,

he ain't got no Jeddah.

He ain't got no Addison.

He ain't got Hawkinson.

He ain't got Aaron Jones.

And he ain't got Kevin O'Connell calling plays.

And

we saw the last two games, right?

Did you see the last two games?

Ocho, what was the craziest sign you saw as a player?

Oh, man, that's a good one, huh?

That's a good one.

Hey, oh, my goodness.

Oh, my goodness.

I enjoy those environments too.

Oh, my goodness, the craziest sign.

Probably

the old

ocho, instead of ocho sinko, probably ocho stinko.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, most of the time.

And then it's so funny, they would have their signs, they would have their signs, and I would talk trash back.

And, you know, I'd walk up to the stand.

Did you sign one of their signs?

Didn't you sign somebody's sign?

Always, yep.

Oh, we always sign that sign.

And listen, and they always say the same thing.

Listen,

we we do this because we love you.

It has nothing to say for the wrong team, but you won our favorites.

And everybody says the same thing.

They don't really mean it, but they don't have a choice but to go against me.

If you really did suck, nobody says the guy that they getting in the game, you suck.

Right, right.

It's only the players that's really good that suck, which means you don't actually suck.

That means you're very, very good.

Ain't nobody booing Tom Brady's backup.

They're booing Brady.

Yeah.

They're not booing Peyton Man.

The guy,

I guarantee you, if the quarterback, I mean, look, they're going to boo the opposing team, but the loudest booze, let's just say Tom Brady wasn't first.

He was third.

Right.

They're going to be looking for Brady because they want to boo him.

You boo greatness.

Hey.

I talk about, I love playing in hostile environments.

I love, love.

I couldn't.

Listen, playing at home is cool.

That's fun.

Yeah.

I like people cursing and talking trash.

And all that.

That did, that was just,

I was so comfortable being uncomfortable in hostile environments.

Well, y'all, y'all rival, y'all rival was Cleveland.

Because remember when Sam White got on the phone and said, don't throw batteries.

You live in Cincinnati.

You don't live in Cleveland?

Right.

Yeah.

You got that.

That was that was you guys because you're both in Ohio.

Yeah.

yeah battle of ohio right

so it's uh

uh

it's a it's a natural it's a natural rival yeah um

i mean look there was no love loss in the before they renamed it the afc north it was the afc central right um i think it was still the afc central when you got in they changed it like in 02 they went to the for the for the eight the eight uh uh the four team divisions

um because it used to be cincinnati pittsburgh cleveland

uh

baltimore

tennessee and jacksonville we were all in one division ocho

we all we were all in one division that's crazy and then they you know they split it up and then they took jacksonville and tennessee and put them in the south

you know uh we used to be in seattle used to be in the afc west then they went to the n of c West.

But it stayed the Chargers, the Raiders, us, and Kansas City.

But

like when you got like the Raiders, you know, obviously the Raiders and was our biggest rivals

because we came in.

They came in like the AFL together, the Chiefs.

But it's different play.

It's definitely different playing on the road than at home.

You feel it as you're driving in, everybody's already tailgating, and I'm saying, you know what I'm saying?

Oh, Joe, they're already tailgating, and they do it, they throw in the football, they got they drinking beer.

All

like, how the hell y'all drinking beer at nine o'clock in the morning?

Yeah,

but they, you know, they getting their thing, they getting their grilling.

Uh,

Cleveland, Cleveland fans,

I will give them credit for as little as they've won in the last 30-plus years.

Them Mofos show up.

Every

look, I can understand Ocho, had they went to the AMC Championship game or they went to the Super Bowl, and even if they lost, but the way they show up for their team to not win more than what they do,

I ain't seen nothing like it.

Ain't no way

I'm going to go sit out there in the cold, let alone get up and tailgate for a team that's going four and four and 13, four and twelve.

Oh, no.

Listen, I had a special relationship with those Cleveland fans, especially Big Dog.

I'm not sure what Big Dog is at this point.

Every time I do, I'm on here and we talk about Cleveland.

I always curious how Big Dog is doing.

Everyone that sat in that, I think that might be the North end zone.

They show such love.

in a hostile way.

And I made sure to show that love back, even though obviously they're the opposing fans, but I've always showed them respect.

They've always showed me respect.

And they knew, understood, when it was game time, huh?

When it's game time,

man, forget you.

We're going to have some fun.

And I remember getting permission.

I think I might be the only person that's done that and been accepting of that is when I did, I leaped in the dog pound.

Remember?

You remember when I jumped.

in the dog pound.

So I asked big dog.

I asked big dog before the game started.

I said, listen, if I happen to scroll on this end, I want to jump to you.

No disrespect, but let me jump to you.

and he said yeah well come on and do it and long

he one person right yeah yeah big dog yeah one person big big man big man but there are more people in the in the in the pound than me i know i know but listen i scrolled on that end unc and i looked for him and i saw him i jumped right to him everybody else around man i smelled like beer to hold the rest of the game

it did they shove your ass out the club me right out the club but listen that was hey that was a great moment for me man that was a great moment and don't please you you wild for that one it was it was awesome it was awesome.

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Eczema isn't always obvious, but it's real.

And so is the relief from EBGLIS.

After an initial dosing phase, about four in 10 people taking EBGLIS achieve itch relief and clear or almost clear skin at 16 weeks.

And most of those those people maintain skin that's still more clear at one year with monthly dosing.

EBGLIS, Libricizumab, LBKZ, a 250 milligram per 2 milliliter injection, is a prescription medicine used to treat adults and children 12 years of age and older who weigh at least 88 pounds or 40 kilograms with moderate to severe eczema.

Also called atopic dermatitis that is not well controlled with prescription therapies used on the skin or topicals or who cannot use topical therapies.

EBGLIS can be used with or without topical corticosteroids.

Don't use if you're allergic to EBGLIS.

Allergic reactions can occur that can be severe.

Eye problems can occur.

Tell your doctor if you have new or worsening eye problems.

You should not receive a live vaccine when treated with Epglis.

Before starting EPGLIS, tell your doctor if you have a parasitic infection.

Searching for real relief?

Ask your doctor about EPGLIS and visit epglis.lily.com or call 1-800-LILLIRX or 1-800-545-5979.

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to

Whether you're taking that big vacation or simply want to get out of town with the kids, Amtrak is the perfect traffic-free summer getaway.

And taking the train means taking it easy.

Amtrak offers plenty of legroom, electric outlets, and no-middle seats.

Learn more at Amtrak.com.

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