BEST OF NFL Preseason Week 1 Part 1: Shedeur/Browns QB Drama, Saints already cooked?!

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Chador shines in his first preseason game, 11 of 19, 103 yards passing.

Two TDs.

You know, Coach Prime was fired up.

Time.

Yes, Law.

Yes, Shadur Sanders.

Oh, yeah.

What now?

Coach Prime, God is good.

Shout out to Coco Butter Brothers for sending us this video.

LeBron James even weighed in.

That young king looking good out there.

Shadur Sanders.

Keep going up, head down, and grind and head high to the most, and head high to the most high.

Jordan Schultz.

Text from a high-ranking AFC North executive on the Browns rookie.

Shadur Sanders.

It's early, but wow, wow, actually shocked how good he looks.

Nike football, when you get your opportunity, create the next one.

Only matter of time.

Yeah.

Ocho.

Yeah.

We could, look, we can pick two plays, Ocho.

Well, damn, he missed the Sam Strong safety blitz, where he had a guy ride over to the flat on second and 18, and he skipped the ball to him.

But you saw that overroute that Brock Purdy throws so well in the San Francisco offense.

You see him fit the ball into those tight, those small windows.

Did you see him on the move throw that touch pass?

Now, the receiver made a great one, had to catch, but did you see the touch?

Yes.

So take off your hand.

Listen,

I wanted to see what Shadur would look like in a situation that wasn't advantageous to him.

He didn't get any reps.

As many reps as he should to prepare himself, to be prepared for a game like this of this magnitude.

Dylan Brooks hurt.

Kenny Pickett hurt.

Joe Flacco not playing

so the cards that he was dealt to go into this game can you be a leader of men can you go in calm

show a presence of leadership

run the team command the team

show that regardless of who's a regardless of who's around you you can still conduct yourself like quarterback one

He was calm, under pressure, went through his progressions, made some great throws, had some errand throws.

You know, obviously, that's what film is for.

That's what the precinct is for.

The fix the nooks and the crannies to get him out.

He looked like he belonged.

He looked different.

He did.

And Andrew Berry, you made the right call.

There's a reason that you wanted him.

There's no reason he should have dropped as far as he did.

You cannot tell me as any scout.

of those 32 teams that didn't need a starting quarterback for those that needed a quarterback and were in need of one, watch film on Shador Sanders and what he did at Jackson State and what he did at Colorado.

And say, you know what?

No, that's not my guy.

The quote you just read from the scout in the AFC North: if you watch film, what did you expect him to look like?

He looked exactly like he looked in Colorado.

He looked exactly like he looked at Jackson State.

Calm under pressure, in the pocket,

going through progressions, progressions, making the right throws.

That's what they expected to see.

What they expected to see and what some hope to see might be two entirely different things.

Talk to me, Dan.

Now,

hope, man, I show hope, man.

I sure hope this happens, man.

Versus expect to see.

What I wanted to see.

I wanted to see exactly what you wanted to see.

I wanted to see, could he play with poise?

Could he throw the ball with conviction?

Could he be decisive?

Could he go through his progressions?

The pocket collapses.

Could he take off?

He showed me some of everything.

The over route threw it on timing.

Guy in his face, led him boom, dropped it right in the bucket.

He fit those balls.

A.

Pressure in his face, the second touchdown.

Pressure in his face, the first touchdown.

The corner slumps off the flat.

The safety is hugging him.

He fits it in.

Gets it in.

Boom.

On the move, the touch pass over the top.

As I mentioned at the top, the receiver did make a great play, but Shadur had a nice loft.

That's not an easy throw to make.

He was impressive tonight.

Very.

And a lot of people, they were in the chat last night.

Let's see what Shadur does.

Let's see what Shador does.

Well,

hold on, huh, you know what they're going to say now?

Oh, it's the preseason.

Oh, he's not playing against their starters.

Oh, he's playing against the

starters either.

Well,

hello.

I didn't see Jerry Judy.

I didn't see him Joku.

I didn't see the starting offensive line.

No, Cedric Tillman.

So this is what I have to say to those who are going to have another excuse.

They're going to move the goalposts, right?

They're going to move the goalposts and say, well, he wasn't going against the Panther starters.

Well, obviously, if he's not going against the Panther starters, or if he doesn't have his starters as well, and what he has at his disposal and look that good with the twos and threes.

and maybe the fours that are trying to make the team, what do you think is going to happen when he has the main characters in there around him?

right that makes your job a little bit easier

that are a little bit better at their position than those that he's playing with tonight what you think gonna happen

well they can try to move the goal post but i ain't trying to kick a field goal or pat so i'm gonna score anyway and shadur sanders scored tonight i'm gonna give credit where it's due 14 to 23 138 yards two touchdowns no interception he got two sacks like i said we can nitpick a couple of things yeah it's the strong safety uh the sam strong safety blitz problem like you know what but it looked like he was telling the guy, bro, I need you to hook up on that.

You're probably not going to be able to outrun the safety.

Lamar Jackson, hold on to the ball a little longer because he could outrun the safety.

Josh Allen, same thing.

That's not Shadur.

Shadur is not a mobile quarterback.

He's going to do all most the majority of his damage is going to be in the pocket.

Oh, Joe.

Right.

He's Tom Brady.

He, I'm not saying he's Tom Brady, but he has the athleticism.

That's not what he's known for.

Go ahead, Ocho.

This is the thing: what he lacks in athleticism and inability to get out the pocket,

he has great pocket presence, huh?

Being able to move and being able to not telegraph, but understand

when that clock is ticking and when it's time to get up out of there.

He can move extremely well within the pocket without having to take sacks.

What about the third down, huh?

The third down, we scrambled.

The D-line ran a stunt, he was able to get outside of it.

I like, you know what I like the most?

He saw the stunt and took off immediately.

Yes.

Yes.

That's what I like, Ocho.

That's what I like.

Oh, y'all.

Oh, I don't know who's supposed to go first and who's supposed to.

I don't know who's supposed to eat or who's supposed to T.

And I don't know who's supposed to T and who's supposed to eat.

But I tell you what, I'm gone.

I'm gone.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Y'all, I tell you what, y'all figure it out in film study tomorrow.

But

in the meantime, I'm about to pick up this first.

I'm about to pick up the first down.

He's played himself.

He might have started after four, but after this performance, he can't be number four.

Because here's the face.

Ocho.

How?

Told us something very, very interesting.

He says, you can lose your job because of injury.

Because let me tell you what's going to happen.

If you get injured and you're out and a guy comes in and he's playing better than you before you got injured, it's his job now.

Ask yourself.

Was Dylan Gabriel before he got hurt, was he playing better than what you saw Shadur Sanders do tonight?

Kenny Pickett, ask yourself this question.

Was he playing better than what Shadur was, than what Shadur played tonight?

Yeah.

So if you could honestly ask us, ask, answer those questions, okay.

Right.

And the thing about it, what people need to understand, for those that are in the chat, it's one thing to have joint practices.

It's one thing to practice against yourself and look good against your players.

Everything is scripted, even defensively in those joint practices at at times, because there's certain things they want to work on defensively, and there's certain things that you want to work on offensively.

When you get into the game, nothing, nothing is shared from team to team.

No.

So it's a green light and everything going as if it's a real game.

You're working your scheme, your game plan, and all you have to do is execute it in its simplest form.

As simple as preseason games are from an offensive perspective and the way the players are called.

And he did that tonight to a hell of a job.

One hell of a job at night.

And this is just something to continue to build off of.

Clean up.

There were some mistakes, obviously.

There are going to always be mistakes and things you can get better at.

And as you continue to see different looks, you're not going to get many looks.

Obviously, it's the preseason.

Everything you see defensively will be very vanilla, you know, cover two.

Sometimes you might throw in, you know, maintenance.

Make him count the plays, Ocho.

Make the plays count.

Yeah.

Oh, and listen, he made him count tonight, y'all.

That's what you have to do when you're a low-round draft pick, Ocho.

Me being a, no, Bart.

Being a, being a low-round draft pick, Ocho, you're not going to get the plays that a high-round draft pick is going to get.

No, no.

So don't go out there thinking that.

But when it's your time, shine.

Yes.

You got to.

When it's your time, shine.

And that, hey, if you say, I don't count time, I make time count.

Well, I didn't count plays.

As my brother used to say, hey, I know you ain't get that many reps.

Keep your head up.

Because one day John Elwy gonna call for you.

He's gonna to look for you.

You need to make sure you're ready.

You need to make sure you're where you're supposed to be.

Right.

Shadur didn't get a whole lot of reps, but when opportunity presents itself, that's what luck is.

It's when preparation meets opportunity.

Amundsen says some call it luck.

I'm glad you just said what you just said.

You just said Shadur didn't get as many reps as he should have in practice.

But he got into a game and what did he do, huh?

Right.

But the reps that he did get in practice, he made those count.

Because a lot of times I've seen it.

I don't know if you've seen it on your, I've seen guys, man, I ain't getting no burn, man.

I can't.

Right.

And then when you get out there, you effing up.

You fucking up.

Yep.

My bad.

Shadur says, hey, these one or two reps I might get with

the threes and fours.

Right.

I got to make these counts.

These got to be my, this has got to be my best work of the day.

Yeah.

Because you know why, Ocho?

It might be my only work of the day.

Yeah.

So if it's my only, it's got to be my best.

Because this is the only time they're going to see me on tape they see me standing behind and you know hey i'm being positive a good throw a good catch good run good job offensive line good play call coach but at the end of the day i need to get an opportunity to show you what i can do and when the opportunity presents itself that's what luck is preparation meeting opportunity yeah amundsen said some call it luck

hey Hey, listen,

I'm happy for young bull.

I'm happy for young bull.

This is one of the few times, I can't think of the last time that everyone was excited excited about wanting to watch a cleveland browns game did you see all them people in the stands with the 12 and with the signs did you see all that old joke a cleveland browns game on the road cleveland don't travel like that trust me i was in the same division with them jokers and guess what we used to play them

same

same they don't they didn't travel like that yeah and they ain't got no reason to travel because they've been bad a long time yeah so listen tonight we saw a very small sample size we saw a very small sample size yes of what shador sanders can look like the fact that he played with the twos with threes maybe against twos and threes yeah for sure i say i say this to say that

what happens when he's with the ones having to run that same offense right

and you and you guess what and you go and you game plan I'm just calling plays arbitrarily, Ocho.

That's it.

That's all they do tonight.

I'm not game planning.

I'm not game planning because we normally game plan game three.

We go back and now the coaches go back and they look at what they did last season and we script a game plan that's going to be what we think we're going to see on first down, second down, third down, third and short, third and long,

down and distance, area of the field.

First and go, second and go, third and goal.

Now we're calling plays, not just to arbitrarily call plays.

We're calling plays with a purpose, for a purpose.

And eventually they're going to get to that.

But I was impressed.

Look, I understand it's the preseason, yeah, but for someone that didn't get as many reps, right, made the reps that he did get, he made them count in practice.

And when he got his opportunity, when it opportunity presented itself,

he took full advantage.

Tom Brady, opportunity presented itself.

Which is, hey, when the rubber meets the what?

When the rubber meets the road, man.

And so, uh, Shador, he should, he should be proud of himself.

Yes.

Uh, you know, him being who he is, raised how he was raised.

You're supposed to say reared.

I guess you raise livestock and animals.

But anyway,

raised how he was raised,

he's not going to get too high, Ocho, because guess what?

Even kill.

Yeah.

You got to stay even killed.

You know why?

Because not only you haven't dealt with the noise on the outside, that's one thing.

But now you got to deal with the noise on the inside, especially with the owner coming out just last week, man.

That wasn't my pick.

Yeah.

That wasn't my pick.

That's not what I wanted.

Thank you, Mr.

Haslam.

How you doing, Mr.

Haslam?

And make sure Andrew Berry gets all the credit.

Like you said, Brother Haslam, don't smile.

Don't even don't say anything started with an S.

He said.

Don't even say shh.

Don't you say

the nerve, the gall.

I'm a Paul.

Well, I'm a David.

I'm going to say it one more time.

And this is for everybody in the chat.

If, even if you don't like Shadur,

even if you don't like him, how do you watch

film,

college film on Shador Sanders and every other quarterback that went before him and see what all of them have done and say, you know what?

No,

I'm a pass over him.

That's not the guy I want.

Right.

New Orleans Saints.

Pittsburgh Steelers.

I don't know what other teams that would in need of a quarterback.

How do you do it?

I'm just asking from a person that played the game of football and understanding, I have an eye.

I have an eye.

I played the game for a very long time at a very high level.

I'm not saying I'm a scout, but I know what it's supposed to look like in situations

that are not advantageous for you.

I just saw a young fella win in Jackson State, turn a Colorado program around that won one game, regardless of what his record was in his totality, 23 and 12, whatever it may have been, I know what he can do when you got the right pieces around him.

I know what he can do.

He's a win-ner,

regardless of what situation you put him in, and he showed it again the night, yet again the night,

with his back up against the wall.

Yeah.

He just has the demeanor to be a quarterback.

Nothing seems to impact him.

He doesn't get too high.

He doesn't get too low.

He has the utmost confidence in himself.

And most quarter, most, the good ones really do, no matter how bad.

And we've seen it, no matter how bad it might be going, the really good ones, you know, if it's late in the ballgame, they got a chance to beat you.

And

Shadur is in the situation where it's like, doesn't make any excuses.

And he always says the right thing.

Listen, it's not as easy as you think to always say the right thing because you're dealing with the human element of it.

The human element of it.

No matter how much you have, no matter how little you have, no matter how good you've been, no matter how bad you've been, you're dealing with the human element of it.

And people have emotions, people have feelings.

And so sometimes when people lash out and say things like, damn, man, you know, you take the amount of time, but he hears what's being written about him.

Absolutely.

He hears, he sees.

If he doesn't, he's getting word.

It's getting back to him.

But I just love the way the man, he kept his head down, closed off his ears, and just did what he was supposed do.

He went to work.

And that's how you have to approach it.

Don't get mad.

I ain't trying to prove y'all wrong.

I'm trying to prove me right.

And in the process of proving me right, I'll prove you wrong.

It was a great job.

It was his first outing.

Like I said, those throws.

It was the throws that he made, Ocho.

Go back and take a look at that overball.

And we see Brock Purdy throw three or four those a game to IU.

He used to hit Brit

Debo on those plays.

Yo, Kittle on the over.

Look at how he threw that ball, the timing of it.

Do you understand the anticipatory skills you have to have as a quarterback with pressure coming at you?

There was one overthrow he couldn't even see.

Yeah.

Because on the replay, we couldn't even see him.

We just saw the ball come out.

So he's anticipating.

where the receiver was going to be and he just made the throw and put it only where the receiver could catch it.

Yep.

That first touchdown.

You understand?

When people saw it tonight, I don't think they understand how difficult the game is.

I don't think they understand how difficult the game is, but he made it look like he's been doing it for a very long time.

It's his first time.

It's his first time in an NFL game, but he's used to it.

Unknown, Chad, look at his mannerisms.

Look how he walk

on the first down.

Okay.

He almost did the watch celebration.

He said, you know what?

I'm going to look at the time, but it ain't time yet.

And just

everything about him and being quarterback number one just the way he carried himself

he was ready for the moment no matter what they no matter what they did no matter what they said just put me in a situation just hand me the cards give me the hand

and i'm gonna play it and he did that just just exactly how he should have tonight the hand he was dealt He played the hand very well.

And it's only going to get better from here.

It doesn't go backwards.

You don't degress.

I'm excited.

And this is coming from a Bengal fan at home.

I'm excited for the Browns to finally maybe

have the answer at the quarter acquisition after trying 35 times over the years.

You know,

man, listen, man, I can go on and on about this, but go ahead.

You got it.

I think the thing is, the biggest thing that an athlete can have is the ability to believe that he belongs, he or she belongs.

I was a a seventh round draft pick shadow was a five there was 12 rounds when i was a seventh there are seven rounds he's a fifth yeah but there is not one point in time that i didn't feel i belonged on that field because i saw a lot of these guys at the bowl games i saw these guys at combine and i read about them yeah and i remember i remember calling my brother uh at the east west shrine grad i said they do not better than me

they're not better than me i don't care what they say Yeah.

I remember going to the combine and that, man, I, you know, you're like, what you think you read?

I say, probably 4-6, 4-7.

I say, but they're not better than me.

They might be faster than me, but they're not better than me.

I belong in the NFL.

And when I went to Denver, all them guys that went before me, I'm like, ain't no way.

I remember asking myself, how in the hell did you get drafted before me?

Yeah.

I said, but don't worry about it.

Don't worry about it.

I said, it won't be long.

It won't be.

It was like the cat boy girl.

She said, boy, the cat got his tail tail caught in the washing machine.

You know what he said, Ocho?

He said, It won't be long now.

He said, She didn't know what he was talking about.

His tail wouldn't be long anymore, or it won't be long before it all be over.

Yes, sir.

Yeah, man.

And when we put them pads on, Ocho, yeah,

first, I'll never forget because you know, the rookies, we went to camp before the vet,

so we would go like a couple of days before the vet.

So we would already be practicing

in Denver before we headed up to Greeley.

Right.

I saw them.

They was nervous, Ocho, like a long-tailed dog with a porch full of rocking chairs.

You know, if somebody leaned back, it's going to be on the stage.

No, no, no, no, you know what I'm talking about now.

I told they were nervous.

I say, oh, yeah.

That's all I need to see.

Just a little fear.

Just a little fear in a man's eyes.

Because

that's my greatest ability.

Yes.

Another man's fear.

Yeah.

I like it.

I like it.

And listen, I know we've been talking about Shadur, but listen, remember I told, remember, remember what I told you about the Panthers, right?

Yes.

Remember what I told you about the Panthers?

If there's a dark, hey, chat, stay with me real quick.

If there's a dark horse team that I believe in this year that is going to creep up and maybe make it run into the playoffs, I said it would be the Panthers.

They didn't look bad.

Bryce Young didn't look bad.

Jalen Coker went crazy tonight.

T-Mac,

the rookie from Arizona, looked good tonight.

I know Xavier Leckett got thrown out, getting into a little tussle.

Listen, I love the passion.

It's just preseason.

That's fixable.

that's fixable.

But again,

look how the Panthers look early in the game.

For those, I know everybody tuned in to watch the door.

But I'm telling you right now, and I say it at first:

someone that's not much of a Panther fan, didn't play for the organization, they owe me nothing.

I'm telling you, the dark horse team for this season:

the Carolina Panthers, Bryce Young, and that receiving quarter.

I'm telling you, watch.

Oh, Joe, I ain't never been that hot

in a preseason game.

No.

The tussle?

Oh, yeah.

They all dog.

They were going at it, huh?

They were going at it.

I don't really got no tussle in practice, bro.

Cause I'll tell you what Dan Reed is going to say, you fighting, does that mean we ain't working hard enough?

Mike Shanahan says the same thing.

We ain't working hard enough.

Bro, it ain't like it is now, bro.

Them two hours, two and a half hour practice, man, please, with pads and your head on pads.

Oh, let me take that back, Ocho.

You have on, they call it, see, what they call shells with shoulder pads and shorts right it's not shells like they call it now basically got those little fitted uh a styrofoam stuff on that was not shells when when i got in the 90s shells with shoulder pads and shorts shorts yeah

and and you know we hit they they were we hit back then nine on seven was live live yep

team team was a solid thud up

there wasn't no touch the guy on his like two-hand touch.

Oh, no.

You put shoulders on him.

You put pads on him.

You better come to balance and be ready.

I remember Dennis Smith.

We call him Kahuna and Atwater.

Man, they come down in that box.

Boy, we had thumpers back then.

Oh, yeah.

Man, please.

Hey, Atwater ain't played, boy.

Dope.

Atwater coming down here now.

And Atwater wasn't the thumper like Dennis Smith.

Kahuna was the thumper.

Number 49?

Whoa, whoa, whoa.

More than Atwater?

Yes,

yes, Lord.

Oh, Joe.

I saw that joke.

Hey, at 205, 210, I saw him sit Lyman.

Sit Lyman on the ass.

They pulling.

He ain't never go low.

Right.

Putting that shoulder in their chest and sit them down.

At 210?

At 210.

Dang.

Go back.

If y'all can find it.

Go back and check the tape.

He hit Roosevelt Potts.

They both ran.

Potts come through the hole.

He hit him.

He was out called.

Marion Butts.

Hey, if you're a Charger fan, you know who, back then, Ocho, they had a big, old, big running back.

They had big Marion Butts.

They had Rod Bernstein.

They had a big, they had Joe Caravello, big Joe Cox.

I mean,

the tight ends were like 300 pounds.

Offensive line, Mammoth offensive line.

Yeah.

Kahuna run through them.

Go back and look at that play.

Dennis smith hit uh uh he hit marion bus and he hit uh uh uh roosevelt potts yeah

and you know you know who else was a thumper too remember remember donovan darius yeah yeah i played against dd double d at uh at jacksonville but that was back in the 90s you had chuck cecil you had mark mark carrier from chicago yeah boy back then it wasn't no nothing defenseless about that they said you got him in his shoulder pads what the hell you thought was gonna happen you come across the middle oh yeah you're gonna get that work What?

You're going to get that work.

Rodney Harrison.

Oh, Rod coming with Rod coming with all four arms every time.

Hey, I say, bro, say, hey, shark, just stay on my knees.

I say,

gotcha.

But boy, we tried, but we definitely tried to hit each other in the mouth.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

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Gabriel is ahead of Sanders in the eye of the coaching staff, but rarely in training camp has that position matched what we've seen on the field.

The quarterback situation remains the story of camp, and

Sanders is settling in to lead three scoring drives in the most extended action of the summer won't make the team's consistent stance that Sanders is fourth in a line.

any less perplexing.

No reasonable person thinks Sanders will be fully ready to lead a team and consistently attack a complicated defense three weeks from now.

He's shown enough talent and growth, however, to make anyone believe he should be on the team and have a chance to develop into a starting quality player.

Sanders is talented.

His throw out of the end zone to wide receiver Greg Labardin in the preseason opener and his floater down the sideline to receiver Luke Floria later are proof.

Until we see Sanders get practice reps with the number one offense, we can't believe the Browns view him as having much of a shot to be the number two when the season began.

I agree with what they're saying, but that's my

point is,

okay, you saying,

have we seen enough?

Have you seen enough of Dylan?

What have you seen from Dylan Gabriel to make you think he can be number two?

Did you hear?

Did you who the excuse me?

Who wrote that?

The Browns Athletic Insider.

The Browns Athletic Insider, right?

Yep.

So you see Shadur do what he does.

Three quarters of football.

Three, I think, maybe, maybe he played well into the fourth quarter, right?

Yeah, I think so.

So in a live game, you saw him play the way he played and still question if he can do the same thing when he has the actual starters at his disposal.

I'm confused.

My thing is, he says no reasonable person thinks Sanders will be fully ready to lead a team and consistently attack a complicated NFL defense three weeks from now.

What about Dylan Gabriel?

Has he shown you enough to make them believe that three weeks from now he can lead this team against a complicated defense?

I digress even further.

Has Kenny Pickett ever shown you

that he can lead a team against a complicated defense?

Because all I know is what I keep hearing is what you're telling me what he can't do.

Like my coach just said in college, but hey, we'll put it, find something that he can do.

See, you keep telling me what Shadur can't do.

Well, your job as a coach is to put players in position and find something that they can do.

Wait a minute, but where's the can't coming from when we just saw him do it?

I know it's a small sample size.

It's three quarters of football, but everything you said he can't do, he just did.

Matter of fact, he just did what we already saw him do at Jackson State.

He just did what we saw him do at Colorado.

We just did, even though it's a small sample size.

Uncle I played the game for a very long time.

Yep.

I played the game for a very long time.

I'm a receiver.

I know what it's supposed to look like.

I know what it looks like when there's a quarterback that's playing in a game and he's confident.

He's polished.

His pocket presence, his mannerisms,

I know what it should look like.

We've seen Kenny Pickett with the Steelers.

If he was the answer for Cleveland, he would have been the answer in Pittsburgh.

What's the question you're asking?

Because if Kenny Pickett is the answer, if Kenny Pickett is the answer, I need to know the question.

Did he play for the University of Pittsburgh?

Yes.

I don't know what more.

I don't know what more.

Listen,

when you fill out your resume, right?

When you you fill out your resume and you go in for that job interview,

you want to put your best foot forward.

You want to leave a lasting impression.

Correct.

Well, the lasting impression is what we saw Friday night from the person they claim is

the fourth string quarterback.

Yeah.

Yeah, what do we do?

We build from that on Saturday.

Well, you build from that.

No, you build from that starting in practice by giving him more reps, more quality reps.

You don't leave him in the position that that he was in where he's getting a handful of reps with the threes and fours.

You give him some opportunities with the ones, with the twos.

I'm not saying he has to take five, six reps with the ones, but I'm saying you sprinkle, maybe you give him one or two reps.

Maybe you give him three or four reps with the twos.

I do agree with this.

Until we see Sanders get practice reps with the number one offense, we can't believe the Browns view him as having much of a shot to be number two when the season begins.

True.

I do agree with that statement.

You're not going from four to two.

If you four training cap, then all of a a sudden the season starts, you're number two.

They're going to need to see you with the ones and twos to feel comfortable because they got to make a decision.

And when you make that decision, you release somebody, ain't no guarantee that you're going to be able to bring them back and put them on your practice squad.

Somebody might sign them and put them on the active roster.

So that's the case, OJo.

Do I stay on your practice squad for say 25, 30,000?

Or do I go somewhere and get an opportunity to get a real roster spot and make almost a million dollars a year?

So that's the question that you have.

That's a decision that you make when you release these guys because I'm sure there are some guys, you know, I would love to have him have another year learning our system.

And when we come back next year, having

the OTAs, the training camp, the season of working scout team stuff, when we come back for OTAs, Ocho, he should be good to go.

He should be fully developed and good to go.

So I don't want people thinking that we're beating Ocho and I'm beating up on Zach Jackson.

I agree with what he's saying, but my thing, I'm more talking about the Browns as a, as, as an organization, as a coaching staff.

Are you,

are you, and, are, because the fans are saying, you want us to believe you or our lying eyes.

I know, I know, I know what my eyes, I saw, I know what I saw, I hear what you saying,

but I see better than I hear.

Come on now.

Y'all keep telling us, Dylan Gabriel, Dylan Gabriel, but we have yet to see him.

Now, everything that I see is that, no, he's, you know, she's not better than Shadur.

For most of the articles that I've been reading, and hey, people can write whatever they want to write.

So

I don't want to put too much emphasis, but I haven't seen, I haven't read a whole lot that where they said that Dylan Gabriel is better, has been played, has played better or is playing better than Shador.

What did I tell you, Uncle?

What did I look like?

What did I tell you not too long ago?

Yeah.

How Camp look?

Yeah.

I'm not saying no names again this time because I don't want to get nobody in no trouble.

What did I tell you?

Yeah,

and then exactly what that individual said who's in there every day that plays on the other side of the ball and has to see it.

Exactly what he said way back then.

We saw it show up.

The fact that he's not getting first-team reps with the ones of the twos and still went out there and looked the way he did.

What does that tell you?

He's getting marginal reps to begin with.

Damn the ones and twos, OJo.

He barely getting reps at all.

And then stick, okay.

I'll say no more

again.

Say no more.

So, you're not doing him justice in practice, but still showed up in the game and looked apart and looked like that.

What does that say?

But we're going to see Saturday.

And I hope DLen Gabriel gets his opportunity because I would love to see what he does and what he gives that offense and that coach of staff that believes in him.

I'm hoping he gets a fair shot.

I'm hoping he does.

I'm I'm hoping he does.

I would love to see it.

I would love to see it.

I know he's a competitor.

He was great at Oregon.

He was really good.

So

I'm all for it.

Yeah, it's

let the guy like

it's like when you in that situation, the guy flashes.

Normally when guys flashes in camp, OJo, you and I both played the NFL for a long time.

We both played at a high level.

Yes, sir.

Every team that I've been on, when a guy flashes in practice, a guy flashes in the game,

he gets to move up and he gets meaningful reps, more meaningful reps, meaning he's no longer on the third or fourth.

They'll sneak some reps in with the twos.

Maybe they'll give him one or two shots with the ones.

That's normally how it works.

They're not so...

set in their ways that it's like, oh, we just see this guy as, it's kind of like TD.

I'll give you a prime example.

TD was a guy.

TD was a sixth-round draft pick.

TD was probably like the fifth or the sixth running back.

But every day, he made that play on kickoff.

And every day you saw TD get a little better.

He gave him a little bit more reps.

And so all of a sudden, he'd go from six to five, from five to four, four to two.

After the first game of the season, TD won.

Yeah.

Normally, that's how it plays out.

Guys show you in the game.

Because when guys flashing practice, Ocho, you're thinking to yourself,

I wonder if he do that in the game.

Hell, Coach, put his ass in the game.

Let's see what he could do.

Right.

That's normally how it happened.

Wade Phillips, our defensive coordinator, that's how I got in the game.

He said, Dan, put his ass in the game.

Let's see if they can cover him because we can't.

Dan's like, okay.

they put my ass in the game.

Yeah.

Well, Shadur, I think Shadur showed you something that he deserving.

I'm not saying he needs to, you need to implement him as the starter, the number one OJ.

We didn't say that.

That's not what we're saying.

But I think he's shown you enough Friday to say, you know what, we might need to give him some more quality reps

with guys that's going to be playing on Sunday.

And let's see him facing the number one defense, Miles Garrett, those guys over there.

But let's give him Jerry Judy.

Let's give him Njoku.

Let's see

if he can replicate some of that, what he did on Friday, with the ones today.

Yeah.

That's all we're saying.

And can I say one more thing?

Go ahead.

If you can do what he did without getting the practice reps.

in a game

without the number ones around him,

things only get easier when you have the ones at your disposal that are better at the position.

Cedric Tillman and Joku,

Jerry Jewel.

It only becomes easier, Unk.

It doesn't get more difficult.

Now, once you're playing against a team that's scheming for you and disguises and does all the stuff, you know, with a game planning for you, okay, that's different.

Then you just have to process a little bit faster.

Yeah.

That's all.

But it takes

vanilla.

They line up and they just go.

That's exactly how it is.

But Ocho, you get better at something by doing said thing.

Yes.

Exactly.

Hear what you just said.

You get better at something by doing said thing.

But he wasn't doing said thing because he

kept and still looked the way he did.

I agree.

I agree.

They don't view it that way.

They, that organization, they don't view it that way.

How?

I don't know.

I don't know.

But I'm guessing

in the direction in which they're going, I'm hoping they're right.

They haven't been right in the 35 quarterback that they tried previously.

Or maybe I'm wrong.

No,

I just think I do believe that he's earned the right

to get quality reps with the ones and twos.

I'm not saying that you implement him, that now he's QB1.

I'm not saying he's QB2.

Maybe,

but I think he's earned that opportunity.

I know one thing.

I know one thing.

They better put a statue of Andrew Berry outside that goddamn stadium.

Tell you that.

Listen, I can already foresee how it's going to go.

I already know how it's going to go.

I can already see it.

They're going to continue to play, continue to play, continue to play, put everybody in front of them, continue to play.

And then, when his opportunity presents itself, like it did because of injury, he looked a certain way.

You can't deny it.

No.

You can't deny it.

No matter what you try to do, you can't deny it.

You can't.

Oh, Joe,

in Cleveland doing this.

Sometimes a man can make his destiny on the very road he took to avoid it.

Sometimes you might, they might even have their quarterback, even though they tried to avoid giving him the opportunity.

Come on, man.

Come on, man.

On the very road you took to avoid it, you found your destiny.

I just,

I'm not saying I'm general manager.

I'm not saying I'm a player personnel director.

I just know that when guys flash,

go back to Tom Brady.

They kept four quarterbacks that year.

Yeah.

Coach Belichick said that he saw something in Tom

that said if he got more of an opportunity,

he might be okay.

He didn't know he was going to be this.

Hell, if he knew he was going to be that, somebody would have taken him in the first the first pick in the the draft.

Right.

But he flashed enough.

Guys, you know, late-round picks, okay.

Like,

he showed something.

He just, sometimes you just need time.

Sometimes you need more opportunity.

You know,

looking at Trey Lance, Trey Lance, like, he needed time.

Time, which the 49ers didn't have.

The 49ers are on the clock.

They got to win now with the roster that they have.

They're not in rebill.

Well, the Cleveland, what are you?

I mean, you just gave a guy $140 million.

He's under the assumption.

Now, he played it both ways.

You know, I want out.

Y'all not winning.

Got the money.

Hey.

But what are y'all?

What are y'all doing?

Are y'all in rebuild or you're trying to win?

Because y'all see who's in y'all division.

Lamar Jackson and Joe Burrow.

Now, Lamar Jackson is 27, 28.

He got another five to 10 years in Baltimore.

Joe Burrow might be a year younger than Lamar.

He's got another five to ten years in Cincinnati.

Well, while y'all playing musical chairs with quarterbacks,

they've identified their guy and he's going to be there for almost a decade.

You're not beating a team that has an established quarterback playing musical chairs with quarterbacks.

No.

Not at all.

Not at all.

Listen,

it's exciting.

It's exciting.

And listen, even

as a Bengal fan, as a Bengal player at heart,

it's enjoyable to be talking about the Browns.

It's enjoyable, huh?

It's exciting.

It's exciting.

For Brown fans, I mean, when's the last time you had a player of this magnitude who's a rookie that has you guys in the national spotlight like this?

Right.

At all times.

Basically, yeah, you got to go back to Johnny football.

Oh, hey, boy, Johnny.

Boy, Johnny was special, boy.

Yeah.

And now the Texas NM Johnny was special, boy.

Yeah.

He was special.

So it's,

we'll see.

It'll be interesting to see when they go out to practice practice today.

I mean, excuse me, today, tomorrow,

what comes back?

What type of reps did Shadur get?

Did he get ref with the ones?

Did he get a rep or two with the ones?

Did he get anything with the twos?

Or was he back relegated to being the fourth quarterback and getting one rep with the Fords or no reps or just getting side work?

That's going to be the tail.

That's going to tell us, Ocho.

Yeah.

Because what they're talking and what's actually happening, we'll find out.

Yeah.

We'll find out.

And we'll see what they do, how they play this thing out on Saturday when they play the game.

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New Orleans.

Boy, y'all are in a heap of trouble.

Spencer Rattler.

So if you just take that

R and put a D.

Yeah.

That's what you can do.

Saints fans.

That's what y'all got to look forward to.

And the preseason open to despite throw to pick six rookie Tyler Shook.

comes off the bench and outplays Rattler.

If you could believe that, it's kind of like getting bit by a water moccasin or a rattlesnake.

It's just how close are you to anti-venom?

I mean, both are going to hurt.

Right.

Both are going to

excruciating pain.

Swelling will be immediately.

Shortness of breath.

Yes.

That's what you get with these two quarterbacks.

I don't know why they didn't.

I hope Kellen Moore, who's a Super Bowl-winning offensive coordinator, I hope he signed a long, long, long-term deal.

Like six years.

Because it's going to be a while with those two quarterbacks.

Yes, sir.

before they win.

Before they win, Saints quarterback in the first preseason game, Rattler was 7 of 11, 53 yards, zero touchdowns, zero interception, but he did lose a fumble.

Tyler Shuck, 15 of 22, 165, one touchdown, one pick, six.

Ocho, go ahead.

Listen, listen.

While I was watching the game today,

before the game started, I threw out a tweet to Saints fans.

I have a lot of Saints fans that follow me on Twitter, excuse me, that followed me on X.

And the question was, are you guys optimistic about Spencer Rattler as quarterback number one?

And all the answers were unanimous in saying that they don't believe in him.

And there were a few that said, you know what,

I'm optimistic about him.

He can improve in his second year.

So based on the small sample size, we were able to see from Spencer Rattler today, it didn't look promising.

But again, it is a preseason.

It is a preseason.

Maybe a little rusty.

First time out against competition outside of yourself.

So I want to give him a little grace.

I want to give him a little grace.

But he's not a rookie, Ocho.

Yeah, I know what you mean, Uncle.

He started real games last year.

I would expect him to look a little better

the second time around in a vanilla-type game plan than a rookie, than, say, Jackson Dart, say Shadur Sanders, say some of these guys, even Shook.

Okay, if Shook's going to struggle, okay, I get that.

He's a rookie.

First time playing in the NFL.

Now the guy that started games in the NFL to play that.

Yeah.

I mean, listen, it looked rough, but last year, watching Spencer Rattler, he played bad at times, but at times he showed flashes of what he can do.

What we have to find, he has to find that happy medium, that keel of balance, of consistency, where it doesn't drop below the bar.

The standard has to be the standard.

of consistency.

He hadn't found that yet.

Obviously, I'm not going to panic.

I'm not saying I'm a Saints fan, fan, but just for his sake, I think quarterback number one is Spencer Radler.

I don't see a rookie beating him out.

Obviously, it looked good.

Tyler, how do you say pronounce that name?

Shuck.

Tyler Shuck.

Obviously, probably going against the threes and the four.

Once he did get into the game, you would look a certain way.

You would look a little better in that manner.

But I think Spencer Radler is the answer for them.

And

it's unfortunate.

But again, it's a small sample size.

I wouldn't panic right now, being that everything is so vanilla.

But the fact that it is vanilla, you should look to par you should look to par with it being your your your second year second yeah second year yeah I think the thing is was

for me

Spencer Rattler's style of play will eventually get him cut and a coach fired ow that's what happens when you're not consistent at that position yeah yeah

Because that position gets coaches fired quicker than anything, get general managers terminated quicker than anything.

Now, they felt comfortable enough.

They're like, okay, we're going to wait till the, I think they got shook in the second round, second or third round.

It's like, we like Spencer Rattler.

They like him.

He was a highly sought after guy, went to the University of Oklahoma.

You know, and then Caleb Williams came, he transfers, goes to the University of South Carolina.

So he has some arm talent, but he's just a little inconsistent for my taste.

And it's hard to win when you don't get consistency out of that position.

Because eventually it will get him cut and it'll get the coach fired.

Because Richard Smith used to tell us all the time, he says, that type of play will get you cut and get me fired.

Right.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I can't get any better because all I can do is just give you what you should be doing.

It's incumbent upon you.

He's kind of, you know, loose with the ball.

It is easily knocked out of his hands.

He turns it over.

This is what the Saints look

What happened was is that they had when you have quarterbacks like Breeze and you have quarterbacks like Manning and you have quarterbacks like Brady, you don't want to waste the guy.

So you're picking guys in the fourth or fifth round and you're letting them sit with no chance of getting, you know, not doing anything.

Right.

And so when those guys move on, now you got to rush.

They tried Jameis.

Jameis tears his knee.

They tried Taysom Hill, but I never thought Taysom Hill was a quarterback.

He was very good in the role that he was in as a jack.

He'll play a little quarterback.

He'll look a fullback.

He could play some tight end.

He's good on special teams.

He's a jack, do a lot, a multitude of things, but I didn't think he was a specialist or a great quarterback.

So I never thought that experiment was going to work.

I think Jameis could have been good, but Jameis towards me.

And then

they kind of moved on from Jameis.

The way I look at it, I think defensively, they might be a little, you know, they might be a little better.

They're starting to get a little older.

Honey Badger retired.

uh um jordan cam jordan uh is i think he's going into his what his 15th season he was in that 2011 class with von miller and jj watt all those guys

but

in that division you you got to get them better because tampa tampa's gotten better i think atlanta's gotten better yeah they have and so I just don't believe that the quarterback that the Saints want or needs that can get them to where they want to be, a consistent team, you know, a team that wins consistently, that can get to the playoffs, and maybe win a game or two in the playoffs.

I don't believe that quarterback is on their roster.

No,

I don't think so either.

I think heavily, I think, for the sake of Spencer Rattler, I think the fact that he has Alvin Kamara to take some of the pressure off of him.

You have Rasheed Shaheed, you have Chris Olave.

I'm not sure who the number three will be there, obviously, but I think his job will be a little easier because of the talent he has around him.

Chris Olave is a very, very good receiver.

Rashid Shahid is a burner.

He's a very, very good receiver.

Now, it's going to be Kellen Moore to put those players in positions to be able to make sure Spencer Rattler doesn't get him fired.

You know,

there's one thing you can do is when you have a quarterback as bad as them based on their play, you have to find a way to hide their weakness.

You have to find a way to hide their weaknesses.

And it's easy to do when you have players of that magnitude.

Alvin Kamara is still one of the best in NFL.

I'm just not going to let Kamara beat me.

I'm going to make Spencer Rattler throw the football.

Okay.

But listen, that's the the thing.

If you're going to go into game saying, you know what, I'm going to make Spencer Rattler beat me, I like his chances with Chris Olave and Rashid Shahid.

I like it.

I like it.

What was their record last year?

Oh, shit.

Oh, but hey, you know who the number three is?

Who?

Brandon Cooks.

Yeah.

Come on, man.

Come on, man.

I don't think he's the he's not the Brandon Cook that was first in New Orleans or the Brandon Cooks that was in New England, or even the Brandon Cooks that was at the Rams.

I mean,

Ocho Damn, he's been like

four teams in the last four years.

Yeah, I mean, listen, he can still run.

Oh, he can still run.

He can still get deep.

He can still do his thing in the slot.

You know,

I hate using the word serviceable,

but you can put him in position to make plays.

Right.

That's it.

No, what with their record last year?

The Saints.

I mean, the offensive line, how good is the offensive line going to be to be able to protect him?

Right.

I mean, they gave up five sacks today.

Five and twelve.

They were five and 12 last year, Ocho.

That's tough.

That's tough.

Hey, look,

everybody's running vanilla.

Vanilla offense, vanilla defense, vanilla special teams, and nobody's showing anything.

Nobody's trying to put anything on tape that's going to be extraordinary.

Right.

Spencer Rattler, having played, I just expect it's kind of like a second-year guy.

A second-year guy makes a mistake.

The coaches are going to be harder on him because he's already gone through this the previous year.

Bro, you've already, if Spencer Rattler played in real games, sometimes, Ocho, guys get on the practice squad, they don't get off that, and then they come back and have to go through the thing again.

But Spencer Rattler has been in meaningful ball games, he's actually played in a regular season and played in regular season games.

So I would expect him to look a little sharper than what he did.

Now, he was only, I mean, he only threw seven passes, and so he's probably only in there 14, 15 plays.

The question is, long-term, because that's what we're getting down to.

Because he's a long-term?

No.

No.

Hayfield is Tampa's long-term solution.

Atlanta believe Pennix Jr.

is their long-term solution.

Bright Carolina believes Bryce Young is their long-term solution.

The question is, now, based on what they did, now maybe they believe Shuck is going to be able to come in and unseat Spencer Rattler and be their long-term solution.

But in order to win at this level, at that level, in today's game, you got to get a quarterback.

Because you know why, Ocho?

Because he's the one position that you cannot hide.

Yeah.

Well, yeah.

If I got a weak corner, I roll coverage.

Yeah.

If I got a weak safety, I keep him.

I put his ass down in the box.

I keep him out of the hole.

Okay.

I got a, if I got an offensive lineman, I'll slide protection.

I'll chip the back.

I'll say, hey, you make sure you chip your way out.

Right.

So I can find ways to protect a weakness if it's something other than the quarterback.

Yeah.

You can't hide the guy that has the ball every single time.

Yeah, you're right.

But

I like that you said that.

For some reason, I'm thinking from an offensive perspective, thinking.

as myself as a receiver.

And the quality, the quality of receivers they have, you know, in New Orleans, I'm thinking chris olave rashid shahid brandon cooks they're so good i can't remember the titan's name he's a very good services of titan as well i can't remember his last name but i'm thinking that they can be in put in positions to be able to hide the weakness that spencer rattler may have whatever it may be

that that that's that's what i'm thinking that's my thought process you know and as an officer coordinator whoever the officer coordinator is i'm not kelly more he's the head coach remember he's the officer coordinator for philly he's calling the plays too Yeah.

Oh, man, listen, man.

Listen, I don't want to lose my job.

So, what do I need to do?

I need to use those around me.

I need to use those weapons.

Right.

Put them in advantageous positions because my quarterback is not as good as I'd like.

Right.

Juwan Johnson and Taysom Hill are the tight ends.

Oh, Jawan Johnson.

Hey, he's nice.

Hey, young, young, young, young, young fellow.

Yeah, he's more.

He's he's he's he's he's more of an F,

more of the H-back type,

got receiving skills, got

more of a move tight end.

Taysom Hill is the same thing.

You can do a lot of different things with Taysom Hill.

You can put him at fullback.

You bring him in and run the tush-push with him.

You can throw him the football.

You can do a lot of things with him.

And Kelly Moore has a very creative mind,

but you've got to get consistent play from the quarterback position because it's the one position you can't hide.

Eventually, I'll figure you out, and I'll make him beat me

i'll make him beat me

and i'll see if he can do it

hey that that's tough that's tough yeah it is

and the fact that i asked that question and and 90 of the saints fans were like yeah it's going to be a long year uh we might win four games hey we won five last year we still haven't we still haven't addressed the position that is the most important that we do need and obviously it took tyler shuck and what second round i think they took him in, it took him in the second round.

No, it goes wrong, Ocho.

40.

Okay, yeah, uh, so I'm assuming I'm not sure what they saw on film from him, as opposed to what we saw on film from 12.

But listen, that conversation is like beating the dead horse.

They saw what they saw, I'm not sure who the scouts were and felt he was.

So maybe, maybe, maybe he is.

Maybe he is.

We'll find out.

Yep.

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