BEST OF NFL Preseason Week 1 Part 1: Shedeur/Browns QB Drama, Saints already cooked?!

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Speaker 18 Chador shines in his first preseason game, 11 of 19, 103 yards passing. Two TDs, you know, Coach Prime was fired up.
Time, yes, long. Yes, Shador Sanders.
Oh, yeah, what now? Coach Prime, God is good.

Speaker 18 Shout out to Coco Butter Brothers for sending us this video. LeBron James even weighed in.
That young king looking good out there. Shador Sanders.
Keep going up.

Speaker 18 head down and grind and head high to the most and head high to the most high.

Speaker 18 Jordan Schultz, text from a high-ranking AFC North executive on the browns rookie uh shador sanders it's early but wow actually shocked how good he looks nike football when you get your opportunity create the next one only matter of time

Speaker 17 yeah

Speaker 18 oh joe yeah

Speaker 18 we could look we can pick two plays oh joe well damn he missed the sam strong safety blitz where he had a guy ride over to the flat on second and 18 and he skipped the ball to him but you saw that over route that brock purdy throws so well in the San Francisco offense.

Speaker 18 You see him fit the ball into those time, those small windows. Did you see him on the move throw that touch pass? Now, the receiver made a great one, had to catch, but did you see the touch?

Speaker 17 Yes.

Speaker 18 So take off, go ahead.

Speaker 17 Listen,

Speaker 17 I wanted to see what Shadur would look like in a situation that wasn't advantageous to him. He didn't get any reps.

Speaker 17 As many reps as he should to prepare himself, to be prepared for a game like this of this magnitude. Dylan Brooks hurt.
Kenny Pickett hurt. Joe Flacco not playing.

Speaker 17 So the cards that he was dealt to go into this game, can you be a leader of men? Can you go in calm,

Speaker 17 show a presence of leadership,

Speaker 17 run the team, command the team,

Speaker 17 show that

Speaker 17 regardless of who's around you, you can still conduct yourself like quarterback one.

Speaker 17 He was calm, under pressure, went through his progressions, made some great throws, had some errant throws. You know, obviously, that's what film is for.
That's what the precinct is for.

Speaker 17 The fix the nooks and the crannies to get him out.

Speaker 17 He looked like he belonged.

Speaker 17 He looked different. He did.
And Andrew Berry, you made the right call. There's a reason that you wanted him.
There's no reason he should have dropped as far as he did.

Speaker 17 You cannot tell me as any scout of those 32 teams that didn't need a starting quarterback, but those that needed a quarterback and were in need of one, watch film on Shador Sanders and what he did at Jackson State and what he did at Colorado and say, you know what?

Speaker 17 No, that's not my guy. The quote you just read from a scout in the AFC North: if you watch film, what did you expect him to look like?

Speaker 17 He looked exactly like he looked in Colorado. He looked exactly like he looked at Jackson State.
Calm under pressure in the pocket

Speaker 17 going to progressions making the right throws

Speaker 17 that's what we expected to see

Speaker 18 what they expected to see and what some hope to see might be two entirely different things talk to me now now

Speaker 18 hope man i show hope man i show hope this happens man

Speaker 18 versus ex expect to see what i wanted to see

Speaker 18 I wanted to see exactly what you wanted to see. I wanted to see, could he play with poise? Could he throw the ball with conviction? Could he be decisive? Could he go through his progressions?

Speaker 18 The pocket collapses. Could he take off? He showed me some of everything.

Speaker 18 The overroute, threw it on timing, got in his face, led him boom, dropped it right in the bucket. He fit those balls.
A.

Speaker 18 Pressure in his face, the second touchdown, pressure in his face, the first touchdown. The corner slumps off, the flat.
The safety is hugging him. He fits it in.
Gets it in. Boom.
On the move.

Speaker 18 The touch pass over the top. As I mentioned at the top, the receiver did make a great play, but Shadur had a nice loft.
That's not an easy throw to make.

Speaker 18 He was impressive tonight. Very.

Speaker 18 And a lot of people, they were in the chat last night. Let's see what Shadur does.
Let's see what Shadur does. Well.

Speaker 17 Hold on, honk. You know what they're going to say now? Oh, it's the preseason.
Oh, he's not playing against their starters. Oh, he's playing against the.

Speaker 18 starters either.

Speaker 17 Well,

Speaker 17 hello.

Speaker 18 I didn't see Jared Judy. I didn't see him Joku.
I didn't see the starting offensive line.

Speaker 17 No, Cedric Tillman. So this is what I have to say to those who are going to have another excuse.
They're going to move the goalposts, right?

Speaker 17 They're going to move the goalposts and say, well, he wasn't going against the Panther starters.

Speaker 17 Well, obviously, if he's not going against the Panther starters, or if he doesn't have his starters as well, and what he has at his disposal and look that good with the twos and threes and maybe the fours that are trying to make the team, what do you think is gonna happen when he has the main characters in there around him right that makes your job a little bit easier

Speaker 17 that are a little bit better at their position than those that he playing with tonight what you think gonna happen

Speaker 18 well they can try to move the goal post but i ain't trying to kick a field goal or pat so i'm gonna score anyway and shadow sanders scored tonight i'm gonna give credit where it's due 14 to 23 138 yards two touchdowns no interception he got two sacks like i said we can nitpick a couple of things yeah it's a strong safety the Sam Strong Safety Blitz.

Speaker 18 Problem like, you know what? But it looked like he was telling the guy, bro, I need you to hook up on that. You probably not going to be able to outrun the safety.

Speaker 18 Lamar Jackson, hold on to the ball a little longer because he can outrun the safety. Josh Allen, same thing.
That's not Shadur. Shadur is not a mobile quarterback.

Speaker 18 He's going to do all most, the majority of his damage is going to be in the pocket, Ocho.

Speaker 18 Tom Brady.

Speaker 18 I'm not saying he's Tom Brady, but he has the athleticism. That's not what he's known for.
Go ahead, Ocho.

Speaker 17 But this is the thing. What he lacks in athleticism and inability to get out the pocket,

Speaker 17 he has great pocket presence, huh?

Speaker 17 Being able to move and being able to not telegraph, but understand when that clock is ticking and when it's time to get up out of there.

Speaker 17 He can move extremely well within the pocket without having to take sacks. What about the third down, huh? The third down, we scrambled.

Speaker 17 The D-line ran a stunt. He was able to get outside of it.

Speaker 18 You know what I like the most? He saw the stunt and took off immediately.

Speaker 17 Yes.

Speaker 18 Yes. That's what I like, Ocho.
That's what I like. Oh, y'all.
Oh, I don't know who's supposed to go first and who's supposed to. I don't know who's supposed to E or who's supposed to T.

Speaker 18 And I don't know who's supposed to T, right.

Speaker 18 But I tell you what, I'm gone.

Speaker 17 I'm gone. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 18 I tell you what, y'all figure it out in film study tomorrow. But

Speaker 18 in the meantime,

Speaker 18 I'm about to pick up the first down.

Speaker 18 He's played himself. He might have started after four, but after this performance, he can't be number four.

Speaker 18 Because here's the thing. Ocho.
Wow.

Speaker 18 Oh, he told us something very, very interesting. He says, you can lose your job because of injury.
Because let me tell you what's going to happen.

Speaker 18 If you get injured and you're out. And a guy comes in and he's playing better than you before you got injured.
It's his job now.

Speaker 18 Ask yourself, was Dylan Gabriel before he got hurt, was he playing better than what you saw Shadur Sanders do tonight? Kenny Pickett, ask yourself this question.

Speaker 18 Was he playing better than what Shadur was, than what Shadur played tonight?

Speaker 17 Yeah.

Speaker 18 So if you can honestly ask your ask, answer those questions, okay.

Speaker 17 Right. And the thing about it, what people need to understand, for those that are in the chat, it's one thing to have joint practices.

Speaker 17 It's one thing to practice against yourself and look good against your players.

Speaker 17 Everything's scripted, huh?

Speaker 17 Everything is scripted, even defensively in those joint practices at time, because there's certain things they want to work on defensively, and there's certain things that you want to work on offensively.

Speaker 17 When you get into the game, nothing, nothing is shared from team to team.

Speaker 18 No.

Speaker 17 So it's a green light and everything going as if it's a real game.

Speaker 17 You're working your scheme, your game plan, and all you have to do is execute it in its simplest form, as simple as preseason games are from an offensive perspective and the way the plays are called.

Speaker 17 And he did that tonight to a hell of a job. One hell of a job tonight.
And this is just something to continue to build off of. Clean up.
There were some mistakes.

Speaker 17 Obviously, there are going to always be mistakes and things you can get better at. And as you continue to see different looks, you're not going to get many looks.
Obviously, it's the preseason.

Speaker 17 Everything you see defensively will be very vanilla, you know, cover two. Sometimes you might throw in, you know, man.

Speaker 18 Make him count the plays, Ocho. Make the plays count.

Speaker 17 Yeah.

Speaker 18 oh and listen he may he made him count tonight that's what you have to do when you're a low round draft pick ocho me being a no bark

Speaker 18 being a being a low round draft pick ocho you're not going to get the plays that a high round draft pick is going to get no so don't go out there thinking that but when it's your time shine yes

Speaker 18 You got to. When it's your time, shine.
And that, hey, if you say, I don't count time, I make time count. Well, I didn't count plays.

Speaker 18 As my brother used to say, hey, I know you ain't get that many reps keep your head up because one day john elway gonna call for you he's gonna look for you you need to make sure you're ready you need to be make sure you're where you're supposed to be right

Speaker 18 shador didn't get a whole lot of reps but when opportunity presents itself that's what luck is it's when preparation meets opportunity amundsen says some call it luck

Speaker 17 i'm glad you just said what you just said you just said shador get didn't get as many reps as he should have in practice

Speaker 17 but he got into a game and what did he do, huh?

Speaker 18 Right. But the reps that he did get in practice, he made those count.
Because a lot of times I've seen it. I don't know if you've seen it on your

Speaker 18 man, I ain't getting no burn, man. I can't.
Right. And then when you get out there, you effing up.

Speaker 17 You fucking up. Yep.
My bad.

Speaker 18 Shadur says, hey, these one or two reps I might get with

Speaker 18 the threes and fours. Right.
I got to make these counts. These got to be my, this has got to be my best work of the day.
Yeah. Because you know why, Ocho? It might be my only work of the Yeah.

Speaker 18 So if it's my only, it's got to be my best. Because this is the only time they're going to see me on tape.
They see me standing behind and, you know, hey, I'm being positive.

Speaker 18 Hey, good throw, a good catch, good run, good job offensive line, good play call coach. But at the end of the day, I need to get an opportunity to show you what I can do.

Speaker 18 And when the opportunity presents itself, that's what luck is: preparation meeting opportunity. Amundsen said, some call it luck.

Speaker 17 Hey, hey, listen,

Speaker 17 I'm happy for young bull. I'm happy for Young Bull.
This is one of the few times, I can't think of the last time, that everyone was excited, excited about wanting to watch a Cleveland Browns game.

Speaker 18 Did you see all them people in the stands with the 12 and with the signs? Did you see all that old joke?

Speaker 17 A Cleveland Browns game on the road.

Speaker 18 Cleveland don't travel like that, trust me. I was in the same division with them Jokers.
And guess what? We used to play them.

Speaker 17 Same,

Speaker 17 same.

Speaker 18 They didn't travel like that. Yeah.
And they ain't got no reason to travel because they've been bad a long time.

Speaker 17 Yeah. So listen, tonight, we saw a very small sample size.
We saw a very small sample size

Speaker 17 of what Shador Sanders can look like. The fact that he played with the twos, with the threes, maybe against twos and threes.
Yeah.

Speaker 17 I say this to say that.

Speaker 17 What happens when he's with the ones having to run that same offense?

Speaker 18 Right.

Speaker 18 And you, and you guess what? And you go and you game plan. I'm just calling plays arbitrarily, OJO.
That's it. That's all they do tonight.
I'm not game planning.

Speaker 18 I'm not game planning because we normally game plan game three.

Speaker 18 We go back and now the coaches go back and they look at what they did last season and we script a game plan that's going to be what we think we're going to see on first down, second down, third down, third and short, third and long,

Speaker 18 down and distance, area of the field. First and go, second and go, third and goal.
Now we're calling plays, not just to arbitrarily call plays. We're calling plays with a purpose, for a

Speaker 18 and eventually they're going to get to that um but i was impressed look i understand it's the preseason yeah but for someone that didn't get as many reps right made the reps that he did get he made them count in practice and when he got his opportunity when it opportunity presented itself

Speaker 18 he took full advantage tom brady opportunity presented itself

Speaker 18 which is hey when the rubber meet the what when the rubber meet the road man

Speaker 18 and so uh shouldor should he should he should be proud of himself yes uh you know him being who he is raised how he was raised

Speaker 18 supposed to say reared i guess you raise livestock and animals but anyway being

Speaker 18 raised how he was raised

Speaker 18 he's not going to be he's not going to be he's not going to get he's not going to get too high ocho because guess what yeah even kill yeah

Speaker 17 you got to stay even killed you know why Because not only you haven't deal with the noise on the outside, that's one thing.

Speaker 17 But now you got to deal with the the noise on the inside, especially with the owner coming out just last week, saying that wasn't my pick.

Speaker 18 Yeah,

Speaker 18 that wasn't my pick. That's not what I wanted.

Speaker 18 Thank you, Mr. Haslam.

Speaker 18 How you doing, Mr. Haslam?

Speaker 17 Make sure Andrew Berry gets all the credit. Like you said, Brother Haslam, don't smile.

Speaker 17 Don't even don't say anything start with an S.

Speaker 18 He said.

Speaker 18 Don't even say shh.

Speaker 18 Don't you say

Speaker 17 the nerve, the gall. I'm a Paul.

Speaker 18 Well, I'm a David. I'm going to say it one more time.

Speaker 17 And this is for everybody in the chat. If, even if you don't like Shadur,

Speaker 17 even if you don't like him, how do you watch

Speaker 17 film,

Speaker 17 college film on Shadur Sanders and every other quarterback that went before him and see what all of them have done and say, you know what? No,

Speaker 17 I'm a pass over him. That's not the guy I want.

Speaker 18 Right.

Speaker 17 New Orleans Saints, Pittsburgh Steelers.

Speaker 17 I don't know what other teams that were in need of a quarterback. How do you do it?

Speaker 17 I'm just asking from a person that played the game of football and understanding, I have an eye. I have an eye.

Speaker 17 I played the game for a very long time at a very high level. I'm not saying I'm a scout, but I know what it's supposed to look like in situations

Speaker 17 that are not advantageous for you.

Speaker 17 I just saw a young fella win at Jackson State, turn a Colorado program around that won one game, regardless of what his record was in his totality, 23 and 12, whatever it may have been.

Speaker 17 I know what he can do when you got the right pieces around him.

Speaker 17 I know what he can do. He's a win nerd, regardless of what situation you put him in.
And he showed it again tonight, yet again tonight.

Speaker 17 With his back up against the wall.

Speaker 18 Yeah.

Speaker 18 He just has the demeanor to be a quarterback.

Speaker 18 Nothing seems to impact him. He doesn't get too high.
He doesn't get too low. He has the utmost confidence in himself.
And most quarter, most the good ones really do, no matter how bad.

Speaker 18 And we've seen it, no matter how bad it might be going, the really good ones, you know, if it's late in the ballgame, they got a chance to beat you. Yeah.

Speaker 18 And

Speaker 18 Shadur is in the situation where it's like, doesn't make any excuses. And he always says the right thing.

Speaker 18 Listen, it's not as easy as you think to always say the right thing because you're dealing with the human element of it.

Speaker 18 The human element of it.

Speaker 18 No matter how much you have, no matter how little you have no matter how good you've been no matter how bad you've been you're dealing with the human element of it and people have emotions people have feelings

Speaker 18 and so sometimes when people lash out and say things like damn man you know you you take the amount of time but he hears what's being written about him absolutely he's

Speaker 18 he hears he sees if he doesn't He's getting word, it's getting back to him.

Speaker 18 But I just love the way the man, he kept his head down closed off his ears and just did what he was supposed to do he went to work yeah and that's how you that's how you have to approach it don't get mad i ain't trying to prove y'all wrong i'm trying to prove me right and in the process of proving me right i'll prove you wrong

Speaker 18 it was it was a great job it was his first outing like i said those throws it was the throw it it wasn't so it was it was the throws that he made ocho go back and take a look at that overball and we see brock purdy throw three or four those a game to iu he used to hit brett uh uh uh uh

Speaker 17 uh debo on those plays your kittle on the over hey look at how he threw that ball the timing of it do you do you understand the anticipatory skills you have to have as a quarterback with pressure coming at you honk there was one there was one there was one overthrow he couldn't even see yeah Because on the replay, we couldn't even see him.

Speaker 17 We just saw the ball come out. So he's anticipating where the receiver was going to be.
And he just made the throw and put it only where the receiver could catch it.

Speaker 18 Yep.

Speaker 18 That first touchdown. You understand?

Speaker 17 When people saw tonight, I don't think they understand how difficult the game is.

Speaker 17 I don't think they understand how difficult the game is. But he made it look like he's been doing it for a very long time.
It's his first time.

Speaker 17 It's his first time in an NFL game, but he's used to it. Um, chat, look at his mannerisms.
Look how he walk.

Speaker 17 on the first down. Okay, he almost did the watch celebration.

Speaker 17 He said, you know what, I'm going to look at the time, but it ain't time yet and just just everything about him and in being quarterback number one just the way he carried himself

Speaker 17 he was ready for the moment no matter what they no matter what they did no matter what they said just put me in a situation just hand me the cards give me the hand

Speaker 17 and i'm gonna play it and he did that just just exactly how he should tonight the hand he was dealt he played the hand very well and it's only going to get better from here it doesn't go backwards you don't you don't digress

Speaker 17 i'm i'm excited and this is coming from a bengal fan at home i'm excited for the browns to finally maybe

Speaker 17 have the answer at the quarter acquisition after trying 35 times over the years

Speaker 18 you know i i and man listen man i can go on and on about this but go ahead you got it i think the thing is the biggest thing that an athlete can have is the ability to believe believe that he belongs he or she belongs

Speaker 18 i i was a seventh round draft pick shadow was a five there was 12 rounds when i was a seventh there are seven rounds he's a fifth yeah but there is not one point in time that i didn't feel i belonged on that field because i saw a lot of these guys at the bowl games i saw these guys at combine and i read about them yeah and i remember i remember calling my brother uh at the eastwest shrine grad i said he do not better than me

Speaker 18 they not better than me i don't care what they say yeah i remember going to the combat and that, man, I, you know, you're like, what you think you read? I say, probably 4-6, 4-7.

Speaker 18 I say, but they're not better than me. They might be faster than me, but they're not better than me.

Speaker 18 I belong in the NFL. And when I went to Denver, all them guys that went before me, I'm like, ain't no way.

Speaker 18 I remember asking myself, how in the hell did you get drafted before me?

Speaker 17 Yeah.

Speaker 18 I said, but don't worry about it.

Speaker 18 Don't worry about it. I said, it won't be long.

Speaker 18 It won't be. It was like the cat went on girl.
She said, boy, the cat got his tail caught in the washing machine. You know what he said, Ocho? He said, it won't be long now.

Speaker 18 He said, she didn't know what he was talking about. His tail wouldn't be long anymore, or it won't be long before it all be over.

Speaker 17 Yes, sir.

Speaker 18 Yeah, man.

Speaker 18 And when we put them pads on, Ocho,

Speaker 18 I'll never forget, because, you know, the rookies, we went to camp before the vet.

Speaker 18 So we would go like a couple of days before the vet. So we would already be practicing

Speaker 18 in Denver before we headed up to Greeley.

Speaker 17 Right.

Speaker 18 I saw them.

Speaker 18 They was nervous, Ocho, like a long-tailed dog with a porch full of rocking chairs. You know, somebody leaned back and go be able to stay.
Ocho, you know what I'm talking about now.

Speaker 18 I told they were nervous. I say, oh, yeah.

Speaker 18 That's all I need to see. Just a little fear.
Just a little fear in a man's eyes. Cause that's my, that's my greatest ability.

Speaker 17 Yes.

Speaker 18 Another man's fear.

Speaker 17 Yeah.

Speaker 17 I like it. I like it.
And listen, I know we've been talking about Shadur, but listen, remember I told you, remember what I told you about the Panthers, right?

Speaker 18 Yes.

Speaker 17 Remember what I told you about the Panthers?

Speaker 17 If there's a dark, hey, chat, stay with me real quick.

Speaker 17 If there's a dark horse team that I believe in this year that is going to creep up and maybe make it run at the playoffs, I said it would be the Panthers. They didn't look bad.

Speaker 17 Bryce Young didn't look bad. Jalen Coker went crazy tonight.
T-Mac, the rookie from Arizona, looked good tonight. I know Xavier Leckett got thrown out, getting into a little tussle.

Speaker 17 Listen, I love the passion. It's just preseason.
That's fixable. That's fixable.
But again, look how the Panthers look early in the game. For those, I know everybody tuned in to Washington Dura.

Speaker 17 But I'm telling you right now, and I say it at first.

Speaker 17 Someone that's not much of a Panther fan, didn't play for the organization, they owe me nothing.

Speaker 17 I'm telling you, the Dark Horse team for this season,

Speaker 17 the Carolina Panthers, Bryce Young, and that receiving quarter.

Speaker 17 I'm telling you, watch.

Speaker 18 Ocho, I ain't never been that hot

Speaker 18 in a preseason game. No.

Speaker 18 The tussle? Oh, yeah. They all dog.

Speaker 17 They were going at it, huh? They were going at it.

Speaker 18 I don't really got no tussle in practice, bro.

Speaker 18 Because I'll tell you what Dan Reed is going to say, you fighting, that means we ain't working hard enough. Mike Shanahan says the same thing.
Right. Being working hard enough.

Speaker 18 Bro, it ain't like it is now, bro. Them two hour, two and a half hour practice, man, please, with pads and your hat on pads.

Speaker 18 oh let me take that back ojo you have on they call it see what they call shells with shoulder pads and shorts right it's not shells like they call it now basically got those little fitted uh a styrofoam stuff on that was not shells when when i got in the 90s shells with shoulder pads and shorts shorts yeah

Speaker 18 And, you know, we hit.

Speaker 18 We hit back then. 907 was live.

Speaker 17 Live, yeah.

Speaker 18 Team, team was a solid thudder.

Speaker 18 It wasn't no touch the guy on his two-hand touch. Oh, no.

Speaker 18 You put shoulders on him. You put pads on him.

Speaker 17 You better come to balance and be ready.

Speaker 18 I remember Dennis Smith. We call him Kahuna and Atwater.
Man, they come down in that box.

Speaker 18 Boy, we had thumpers back then. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 17 Man, please. Hey, Atwater ain't played, boy.
Don't

Speaker 17 water coming down here now.

Speaker 18 And Atwater wasn't the thumper like Dennis Smith. Kahuna was the thumper.
Number 49?

Speaker 17 Whoa, whoa, whoa. More than Atwater?

Speaker 18 Yes,

Speaker 18 yes, Lord.

Speaker 18 Oh, Joe. I saw that joke.
Hey, at 205, 210, I saw him sit Lyman. Sit Lyman on the ass.
They pulling. He ain't never go low.

Speaker 17 Right.

Speaker 18 Sitting that shoulder in their chest and sit them down.

Speaker 17 At 210?

Speaker 18 At 210.

Speaker 18 Dang.

Speaker 18 Go back. If y'all can find it, go back and check the tape.
He hit Roosevelt Potts.

Speaker 18 they both ran he pots come through the hole he hit him

Speaker 17 he was out cold

Speaker 18 uh marion butts hey if you if you a charger fan you know who because back then ocho they had a big old big running back they had big marion butts they had rod bernstein they had a big they had joe caravello big joke joe cox i mean they are the tight ends were like uh 300 pounds offensive line mammoth offensive line yeah kahuna run through

Speaker 18 go back and look at that play it with dennis smith hit uh uh he hit marion bus and he hit uh uh roosevelt potts yeah

Speaker 18 and you know you know who else was a thumper too remember remember donovan darius yeah yeah i played against dd double d at uh at jacksonville but that was back in the 90s you had chuck cecil you had mark mark carrier from chicago yeah boy back then it wasn't no nothing defenseless about that they said you got him and his shoulder pads what the hell you thought was gonna happen you come across the middle oh yeah you're gonna get that work what you're gonna get that work

Speaker 17 uh rodney harrison oh rod coming with what rod coming with all forearm every time

Speaker 18 hey i say bro hey hey say shark just stay on my knees i say

Speaker 18 gotcha but boy we tried boy we definitely tried to hit each other in the mouth oh yeah oh yeah hey that's a hard playing joker this is sophie cunningham from show me something do you know the symptoms of moderate to severe obstructive sleep apnea or OSA in adults with obesity?

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Speaker 18 NFL insiders say Shadura Sanders still stands behind Dylan Gabriel for the Browns coaches.

Speaker 18 Gabriel is ahead of Sanders in the eye of the coaching staff, but rarely in training camp has that position matched what we've seen on the field.

Speaker 18 The quarterback situation remains the story of camp, and

Speaker 18 Sanders is settling in to lead three scoring drives in the most extended action of the summer won't make the team's consistent stance that Sanders is fourth in a line any less perplexing.

Speaker 18 No reasonable person thinks Sanders will be fully ready to lead a team and consistently attack a complicated defense three weeks from now.

Speaker 18 He's shown enough talent and growth, however, to make anyone believe he should be on the team and have a chance to develop into a starting quality player. Sanders is talented.

Speaker 18 His throw out of the end zone to wide receiver Greg Labardin in the preseason opener and his floater down the sideline to receiver Luke Floria later are proof until we see Sanders get practice reps with the number one offense, we can't believe the Browns view him as having much of a shot to be the number two when the season began.

Speaker 18 I agree with what they're saying, but that's my point is.

Speaker 18 Okay,

Speaker 18 you said,

Speaker 18 have we seen enough? Have you seen enough of Dylan? What have you seen from Dylan Gabriel to make you think he can be number two?

Speaker 17 Did you hear? Did you, who the, excuse me, who wrote that? The Browns Athletic Insider.

Speaker 18 The Browns Athletic Insider.

Speaker 17 The Browns Athletic Insider, right? Yep. So you see Shadur do what he does.
Three quarters of football.

Speaker 17 Three, I think, maybe, maybe he played well into the fourth quarter, right?

Speaker 18 Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 17 So in a live game, you saw him play the way he played and still question if he can do the same thing when he has the actual starters at his disposal.

Speaker 17 I'm confused.

Speaker 18 My thing is, he says no reasonable person thinks Sanders will be fully ready to lead a team and consistently attack a complicated NFL defense three weeks from now. What about Dylan Gabriel?

Speaker 18 Has he shown you enough? to make them believe that three weeks from now he can lead this team against a complicated defense.

Speaker 18 I digress even further. Has Kenny Pickett ever shown you

Speaker 18 that he can lead a team against a complicated defense?

Speaker 18 Because all I know is what I keep hearing is what you're telling me what he can't do. Like my coach just said in college, but hey, we'll put it, find something that he can do.

Speaker 18 See, you keep telling me what Shadur can't do. Well, your job as a coach is to put players in position and find something that they can do.

Speaker 17 Wait a minute, but where's the can't coming from when we just saw him do it? I know it's a small sample size. It's three quarters of football, but everything you say they can't do, he just did.

Speaker 17 Matter of fact, he just did what we already saw him do at Jackson State. He just did what we saw him do at Colorado.

Speaker 17 We just did, even though it's a small sample size. Uncle, played the game for a very long time.

Speaker 18 Yep.

Speaker 17 I played the game for a very long time. I'm a receiver.
I know what it's supposed to look like. I know what it looks like when there's a quarterback that's playing in a game and he's confident.

Speaker 17 He's polished. His pocket presence, his mannerisms.

Speaker 17 I know what it should look like. We've seen Kenny Pickett with the Steelers.
If he was the answer for Cleveland, he would have been the answer in Pittsburgh.

Speaker 18 What's the question you're asking?

Speaker 18 Because

Speaker 18 if Kenny Pickett is the answer, I need to know the question. Did he play for the University of Pittsburgh? Yes.

Speaker 17 i i don't you know what i don't i don't know what more i don't i i don't i don't know what more listen when you when you when you fill out your resume right when you fill out your resume and you go in for that job interview

Speaker 17 you want to put your best foot forward yeah you want to leave a lasting impression correct well the last impression is what what we saw friday night from the person they claim is the fourth is the fourth string quarterback yeah

Speaker 17 i mean yeah what do we do? We build from that on Saturday.

Speaker 18 Well, you build from that. No, you build from that starting in practice by giving him more reps, more quality reps.

Speaker 18 You don't leave him in the position that he was in where he's getting a handful of reps with the threes and fours. You give him some opportunities with the ones, with the twos.

Speaker 18 I'm not saying he has to take five, six reps with the ones, but I'm saying you sprinkle, maybe you give him one or two reps. Maybe you give him three or four reps with the twos.
I do agree with this.

Speaker 18 Until we see Sanders get practice reps with the number one offense, we can't can't believe the Browns view him as having much of a shot to be number two when the season begins. True.

Speaker 18 I do agree with that statement. You're not going from four to two.
If you four training camp, then all of a sudden the season starts, you're number two.

Speaker 18 They're going to need to see you with the ones and twos to feel comfortable because they got to make a decision.

Speaker 18 And when you make that decision, you release somebody, ain't no guarantee that you're going to be able to bring them back and put them on your practice squad.

Speaker 18 Somebody might sign them and put them on the active roster. So that's the case, Ocho.

Speaker 18 Do I stay on your practice squad for say 25, 30,000 or do I go somewhere and get an opportunity to get a real roster spot and make almost a million dollars a year?

Speaker 18 So that's the question that you have.

Speaker 18 That's a decision that you make when you release these guys because I'm sure there are some guys, you know, I would love to have him to have another year learning our system.

Speaker 18 And when we come back next year, having a

Speaker 18 the OTAs, the training camp, the season of working scout team stuff, when we come back for for OTA's Ocho, he should be good to go. He should be fully developed and good to go.

Speaker 18 So I don't want people thinking that we're beating Ocho and I'm beating up on Zach Jackson. I agree with what he's saying.
But my thing, I'm more talking about the Browns

Speaker 18 as an organization, as a coaching staff.

Speaker 18 Are you

Speaker 18 are you?

Speaker 18 Because the fans are saying, you want us to believe you or our lying eyes.

Speaker 18 I know, I know, I know what my eyes, I saw, I know what I saw. I hear what you're saying,

Speaker 18 but I see better than I hear.

Speaker 17 Come on now.

Speaker 18 Y'all keep telling us Dylan Gabriel, Dylan Gabriel, but we have yet to see him. Now, everything that I see is that, no, he's, you know, she's not better than Shadur.

Speaker 18 For most of the articles that I've been reading, and hey, people can write whatever they want to write. So

Speaker 18 I don't want to put too much emphasis, but I haven't seen, I haven't read a whole lot that where they said that Dylan Gabriel is better, has been played, has played better or is playing better than Shador.

Speaker 17 What did I tell you, Uncle? What did I look? What did I tell you not too long ago? Yeah. But how Camp look? Yeah.

Speaker 17 I'm not saying no names again this time because I don't want to get nobody in no trouble.

Speaker 17 What did I tell you?

Speaker 18 Yeah.

Speaker 17 And then exactly what that individual said who's in there every day that plays on the other side of the ball and has to see it, exactly what he said way back then. We saw it.
show up.

Speaker 17 The fact that he's not getting first team reps with the ones or the twos and still went out there and looked the way he did. What does that tell you?

Speaker 18 He's getting marginal reps to begin with. Damn the ones and twos, Ocho.
He barely getting reps at all.

Speaker 17 And then strip.

Speaker 17 Okay, I'll say no more.

Speaker 17 Again,

Speaker 17 say no more.

Speaker 17 So you're not doing him justice in practice, but still showed up in the game and looked apart and looked like that.

Speaker 17 What does that say?

Speaker 17 But we're going to see Saturday. And I hope DLen Gabriel gets his opportunity because I would love to see what he does and what he gives that offense and that coach of staff that believes in him.

Speaker 17 I'm hoping he gets a fair shot. I'm hoping he does.

Speaker 17 I'm hoping he does. I would love to see it.
I would love to see it. I know he's a competitor.
He was great at Oregon. He was really good.

Speaker 17 So

Speaker 17 I'm all for it.

Speaker 18 Yeah, it's.

Speaker 18 Let the guy, like,

Speaker 18 It's like when you in that situation the guy flashes normally when guys flashes in camp OJo you and I both played the NFL for a long time. We both played at a high level.

Speaker 18 Yes, sir Every team that I've been on when a guy flashes in practice a guy flashes in the game He get he gets to move up and he gets meaningful reps more meaningful reps meaning he's no longer on the third or fourth.

Speaker 18 They'll sneak some reps in with the twos. Maybe they'll give him one or two shots with the ones.

Speaker 18 That's normally how it works. They're not so set in their ways that it's like, oh, we just see this guy as it's kind of like TD.
I'll give you a prime example. TD was a guy.

Speaker 18 TD was a six-round draft pick. TD was probably like the fifth or the sixth running back.

Speaker 18 But every day, he made that play on kickoff. And every day you saw TD get a little better.
He gave him a little bit more reps.

Speaker 18 And so all of a sudden, he goes from six to five, from five to four, four to two.

Speaker 18 After the first game of the season, TD won.

Speaker 17 Yeah.

Speaker 18 Normally, that's how it plays out. Guys show you in the game.

Speaker 18 Because when guys flashing practice, Ocho, you're thinking to yourself, I wonder if he do that in the game.

Speaker 18 Hell, Coach, put his ass in the game. Let's see what he could do.

Speaker 17 Right.

Speaker 18 That's normally how it happened. Wade Phillips, our defensive coordinator, that's how i got in the game he said dan put his ass in the game let's see if they can cover him because we can't

Speaker 18 dan like okay

Speaker 18 they put my ass in the game yeah well shadur i think shadour showed you something that he deserving i'm not saying he needs to you need to implement him as the starter, the number one OJ.

Speaker 18 We didn't say that. That's not what we're saying.

Speaker 18 But I think he's shown you enough Friday to say, you know what, we might need to to give him some more quality reps with guys that's going to be playing on Sunday.

Speaker 18 And let's see him facing the number one defense, Miles Garrett, those guys over there. But let's give him Jerry Judy.
Let's give him Njoku. Let's see

Speaker 18 if he can replicate some of that, what he did on Friday with the ones today.

Speaker 18 Yeah, that's all we're saying.

Speaker 17 And

Speaker 17 can I say one more thing? Go ahead. One thing.

Speaker 17 If you can do what he did without getting the practice reps

Speaker 17 in a game,

Speaker 17 without the number ones around him,

Speaker 17 things only get easier when you have the ones at your disposal that are better at the position. Cedric Tillman and Joku,

Speaker 17 Jerry Ju.

Speaker 17 It only becomes easier, Unk.

Speaker 17 It doesn't get more difficult.

Speaker 17 Now, once you're playing against a team that's skiing for you and disguises and does all the all the stuff, you know, with a game planning for you, okay, that's different.

Speaker 17 Then you just have to process a little bit faster. Yeah, that's all.
But it takes

Speaker 17 vanilla. They line up and they just go.

Speaker 18 That's exactly how it is, but Ocho, you get better at something by doing said thing.

Speaker 17 Yes. Exactly.
You hear what you just said? You get better at something by doing said thing. But he wasn't doing said thing because he

Speaker 17 and still looked the way he did.

Speaker 18 I agree.

Speaker 17 I agree.

Speaker 17 They don't view it that way. They, that organization, they don't view it that way.

Speaker 17 How? I don't know. I don't know.
But I'm guessing

Speaker 17 in the direction in which they're going, I'm hoping they're right.

Speaker 17 They haven't been right in the 35 quarterback that they tried previously.

Speaker 17 Or maybe I'm wrong.

Speaker 18 No,

Speaker 18 I just think

Speaker 18 I do believe that he's earned the right

Speaker 18 to get quality reps with the ones and twos.

Speaker 18 I'm not saying that you implement him, that now he's QB1. I'm not saying he's QB2.

Speaker 18 But I think he's earned that opportunity.

Speaker 17 I know one thing.

Speaker 17 I know one thing. They better put a statue of Andrew Berry outside that goddamn stadium.

Speaker 17 Tell you that.

Speaker 17 Listen, I can already foresee how it's going to go.

Speaker 17 I already know how it's going to go.

Speaker 17 I can already see it. They're going to continue to play, continue to play, continue to play, put everybody in front of them, continue to play.

Speaker 17 And then when his opportunity presents itself, like it did because of injury, he looked a certain way.

Speaker 17 You can't deny it. No, you can't deny it.
No matter what you try to do, you can't deny it.

Speaker 17 You can't.

Speaker 18 Oh, Joe,

Speaker 18 and Cleveland doing this. Sometimes a man can make his destiny on the very road he took to avoid it.

Speaker 18 Sometimes you might, they might even have their quarterback, even though they tried to avoid giving him the opportunity.

Speaker 17 Come on, man.

Speaker 17 Come on, man.

Speaker 18 On the very road you took to avoid it, you found your destiny.

Speaker 18 I just'm not saying I'm general manager. I'm not saying I'm a player personnel director.
I just know that when guys flash,

Speaker 18 go back to Tom Brady. They kept four quarterbacks that year.

Speaker 17 Yeah.

Speaker 18 Coach Belichick said that he saw something in Tom

Speaker 18 that said if he got more of an opportunity, he might be okay. He didn't know he was going to be this.

Speaker 18 Hell, if he knew he was going to be that, somebody would have taken him in the first, the first pick in the draft.

Speaker 17 Right.

Speaker 18 But he flashed enough.

Speaker 18 Guys, you know, late-round picks, okay.

Speaker 18 Like

Speaker 18 he showed something. He just, sometimes you just need time.
Sometimes you need more opportunity.

Speaker 18 You know, uh uh looking at Trey Lance Trey Lance like he needed time

Speaker 18 time which the 49ers didn't have the 49ers are on the clock they got to win now with the roster that they have they're not in rebill

Speaker 18 well the Cleveland what are I mean you just gave a guy 140 million dollars he's under the assumption Now, he played it both ways, you know, I want out, y'all not winning, got this money, hey.

Speaker 18 but what are y'all what are y'all doing are y'all in rebuild or you're trying to win because y'all see who's in y'all division

Speaker 18 lamar jackson and and joe burrow now lamar jackson is 27 28

Speaker 18 he gonna got he got another five to ten years in baltimore joe burrow might be a year younger than lamar he's got another five to ten years in cincinnati Well, while y'all playing musical chairs with quarterbacks,

Speaker 18 they've identified their guy and he's going to be there for almost a decade.

Speaker 18 You're not beating a team that has an established quarterback playing musical chairs with quarterbacks.

Speaker 17 No.

Speaker 17 Uh-uh. Not at all.

Speaker 17 Not at all. Listen, I mean,

Speaker 17 it's exciting. It's exciting.
And listen, even as a Bengal fan, as a Bengal player at heart,

Speaker 17 it's enjoyable to be talking about the Brown.

Speaker 17 It's enjoyable, huh?

Speaker 17 It's exciting.

Speaker 17 It's exciting

Speaker 17 for Brown fans. I mean, when's the last time you had a player of this magnitude who's a rookie that has you guys in the national spotlight that this? Right.

Speaker 17 At all times.

Speaker 18 Basically, yeah, you got to go back to Johnny football.

Speaker 17 Oh, hey, boy, Johnny. Boy, Johnny was special, boy.

Speaker 18 Yeah.

Speaker 17 And out of Texas and him, Johnny was special, boy. Yeah.
He was special.

Speaker 18 So it's, uh, we'll, we'll see. Um, it'll be interesting to see when they go out to practice today.
I mean, excuse me, today, tomorrow,

Speaker 18 what comes back? What type of reps did Shadur get? Did he get ref with the ones? Did he get a rep or two with the ones? Did he get anything with the twos?

Speaker 18 Or was he back relegated to being the fourth quarterback and getting one rep with the with the Fords or no reps or just getting side work?

Speaker 18 That's going to be the tail. That's going to tell us, Ocho.

Speaker 17 Yeah.

Speaker 18 Because what they're talking and

Speaker 18 what's actually happening, we'll find out. Yeah.
We'll find out. And we'll see what they do, how they play this thing out on Saturday when they play the game.

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Speaker 18 boy y'all in a heap of trouble spencer rattler

Speaker 18 so if you just take that uh uh uh r and put a d yeah

Speaker 18 That's what you Saints fans. That's what y'all got to look forward to.

Speaker 18 And the preseason opened despite throw a pick six, rookie Tyler Shook comes off the bench and outplays Rattler.

Speaker 18 If you can believe that, it's kind of like getting bit by a water moccasin or a rattlesnake. It's just how close are you to anti-venom? I mean, both are going to hurt.

Speaker 17 Right.

Speaker 18 Both are going to

Speaker 18 excruciating pain. Swelling will be immediately.
Shortness of breath.

Speaker 17 Yes.

Speaker 18 That's what you get with these two quarterbacks. I don't know why they didn't.

Speaker 18 I hope Kellen Moore, who's a Super Bowl-winning offensive coordinator, I hope he signed a long, long, long-term deal, like six years

Speaker 18 because it's going to be a while with those two quarterbacks. Yes, sir, they win before they win.

Speaker 18 Same quarterback at the first preseason game, Rattler was seven of 11, 53 yards, zero touchdowns, zero interception, but he did lose a fumble. Tyler Shuck, 15 of 22, 165, one touchdown, one pick, six.

Speaker 18 Um,

Speaker 18 whoo, oh, Joe, I go ahead.

Speaker 17 Okay, listen, listen.

Speaker 17 Listen, while I was watching the game today,

Speaker 17 before the game started, I threw out a tweet to Saints fans. I have a lot of Saints fans that follow me on Twitter, excuse me, that followed me on X.
And the question was,

Speaker 17 are you guys optimistic about Spencer Rattler as quarterback number one?

Speaker 17 And all the answers were unanimous in saying that they don't believe in him. And there were a few that said, you know what,

Speaker 17 I'm optimistic about him. He can improve in his second year.
So based on the small sample size, we were able to see see from Spencer Rattler today, it did look promising. But again, it is a preseason.

Speaker 17 It is a preseason. Maybe a little rusty.
First time out against competition outside of yourself. So, I want to give him a little grace.
I want to give him a little grace.

Speaker 18 But he's not a rookie, Ocho.

Speaker 17 Yeah, I know what you mean, Uncle.

Speaker 18 He started real games last year. I would expect him to look a little better

Speaker 18 the second time around in a vanilla-type game plan than a rookie, than say Jackson Dart, say Shadur Sanders, say some of these, even

Speaker 18 Shook. Okay, if Shook's going to struggle, okay, I get that.
He's a rookie. First time playing in the NFL.
Not a guy that started games in the NFL to play that.

Speaker 17 Yeah. I mean, listen, it looked rough, but last year, watching Spencer Rattler, he played bad at times, but at times he showed flashes of what he can do.

Speaker 17 What we have to find, he has to find that happy medium, that keel of balance, of consistency, where it doesn't drop below the bar. The standard has to be the standard of consistency.

Speaker 17 He hadn't found that yet. Obviously, I'm not going to panic.
I'm not saying I'm a Saints fan, but just for his sake, I think quarterback number one is Spencer Radler.

Speaker 17 I don't see a rookie beating him out. Obviously, it looked good.
Tyler, how do you say pronounce that name? Shook.

Speaker 17 Tyler Shuck. Obviously, probably going against the threes and the four.
Once he did get into the game, you would look a certain way. You would look a little better in that manner.

Speaker 17 But I think Spencer Radler is the answer for them and it's it's unfortunate but again it's a small sample size i wouldn't panic right now being that everything is so vanilla but the fact that it is vanilla you should look to par you should look to par with it being your your your second year second yeah second year yeah i think the thing is what's

Speaker 18 for me spencer rattler's style of play

Speaker 18 will eventually get him cut and a coach fired.

Speaker 17 Ow.

Speaker 18 That's what happens when you're not consistent at that position.

Speaker 17 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 18 Because that position gets coaches fired quicker than anything, get general managers terminated quicker than anything.

Speaker 18 Now, they felt comfortable enough. It's like, okay, we're going to wait till the, I think they got shook in the second round, second to third round.
They're like, we like Spencer Rattler.

Speaker 18 They like him. Right.

Speaker 18 He was a highly sought after guy, went to the University of Oklahoma.

Speaker 18 You know, and then Caleb Williams came. He transfers, goes to the University of South Carolina.
So he has some arm talent, but he's just a little inconsistent for my taste.

Speaker 18 And it's hard to win when you don't get consistency out of that position. Because eventually it will get him cut and it'll get the coach fired.
Yeah.

Speaker 18 Because Richard Smith used to tell us all the time, he says, that type of play will get you cut and get me fired.

Speaker 17 Yeah.

Speaker 18 Yeah. I can't get any better because all I can do is just give you what you should be doing.
It's incumbent upon you. He's kind of, you know, loose with the ball.

Speaker 18 It is easily knocked out of his hands. He turns it over.
But this is what the Saints, you know,

Speaker 18 what happened was, is that when you have quarterbacks like Breeze and you have quarterbacks like Manning and you have quarterbacks like Brady, you don't want to waste a guy.

Speaker 18 So you picking guys in the fourth or fifth round and you're letting them sit with no chance of getting, you know, not doing anything.

Speaker 18 And so when those guys move on, now you got to rush. They tried Jameis.

Speaker 18 Jameis tears his knee uh they tried taysom hill but i i never thought taysom hill was a quarterback he was very good in the role that he was in as a jack he'll play a little quarterback he'll look a fullback he could play some tight end he's good on special teams he's a a jack do a lot a multitude of things But I didn't think he was a specialist or a great quarterback.

Speaker 18 So I never thought that experiment was going to work. I think Jameis could have been good, but Jameis tore his knee.
And then they kind of moved on from Jameis.

Speaker 18 The way I look at it, I think defensively, they might be a little, you know, they might be a little better. They're starting to get a little older.
Honey Badger retired.

Speaker 18 Jordan, Cam Jordan,

Speaker 18 I think he's going into his, what, his 15th season? He was in that 2011 class with Von Miller and J.J. Watt, all those guys.

Speaker 18 But

Speaker 18 in that division, you got to get them better. Because

Speaker 18 Tampa's gotten better. I think Atlanta's gotten better.

Speaker 17 Yeah, they have.

Speaker 18 And so I just don't believe that the quarterback that the Saints want or need that can get them to where they want to be, a consistent team, you know, a team that wins consistently, that can get to the playoffs and maybe win a game or two in the playoffs, I don't believe that quarterback is on their roster.

Speaker 17 No,

Speaker 17 I don't think so either.

Speaker 17 I think heavily, I think for the sake of Spencer Rattler, I think the fact that he has Alvin Kamara to take some of the pressure off of him, you have Rashid Shahid, you have Chris Olave.

Speaker 17 I'm not sure who the number three will be there, obviously, but I think his job will be a little easier because of the talent he has around him. Chris Olave is a very, very good receiver.

Speaker 17 Rasheed Shaheed is a burner. He's a very, very good receiver.
Now, it's going to be Kelly Moore to put those players in positions to be able to make sure Spencer Rattler doesn't get him fired.

Speaker 17 You know,

Speaker 17 there's one thing you can do is when you have a quarterback as bad as them based on their play, you have to find a way to hide their weakness. You have to find a way to hide their weaknesses.

Speaker 17 And it's easy to do when you have players of that magnitude. Alvin Kamara is still one of the best in NFL.

Speaker 18 I'm just not gonna let Kamara beat me, I'm gonna make Spencer Rattler throw the football.

Speaker 17 Okay, well, but listen, that's the thing. If you're if you

Speaker 17 if you're gonna go into games saying, you know what, I'm gonna make Spencer Radley beat me, I like his chances with Chris Olavi and Rashid Heed.

Speaker 17 I like it, I like it.

Speaker 18 What was their record last year?

Speaker 17 Oh shit! Oh, but hey, you know who the number three is?

Speaker 18 Who?

Speaker 17 Brandon Cooks.

Speaker 18 Yeah,

Speaker 17 Come on, man.

Speaker 17 Come on, man.

Speaker 18 I don't think

Speaker 18 he's not the Brandon Cook that was first in New Orleans or the Brandon Cooks that was in New England or even the Brandon Cooks that was at the Rams. I mean,

Speaker 18 Ocho Damn, he's been like

Speaker 18 four teams in the last four years.

Speaker 17 Yeah. I mean, listen, he can still run.

Speaker 18 Oh, he can still run. He can still get deep.

Speaker 17 He can still do his thing in a slot. You know,

Speaker 17 I hate using the word serviceable, but you can put him in position to make plays.

Speaker 18 Right.

Speaker 18 That's it. No, what with their record last year? The Saints.

Speaker 18 I mean, the offensive line, how good is the offensive line going to be to be able to protect him?

Speaker 17 Right.

Speaker 18 I mean, they gave up five sacks today.

Speaker 18 Five and twelve. They were five and 12 last year, Ocho.

Speaker 17 That's tough. That's tough.
Look,

Speaker 18 everybody's running vanilla. Vanilla offense, vanilla defense, vanilla special teams, and nobody's showing anything.
Nobody's trying to put anything on tape that's going to be extraordinary.

Speaker 17 Right.

Speaker 18 Spencer Rattler, having played, I just expect it's kind of like a second-year guy. A second-year guy makes mistakes.

Speaker 18 The coaches are going to be harder on him because he already gone through this the previous year. Bro, you've already, and Spencer Rattler played in real games.

Speaker 18 Sometimes, though, your guys get on the practice squad, they don't get off that, and then they come back and have to go through the thing again. But Spencer Rattler has been in meaningful ball games.

Speaker 18 He's actually played in a regular season and played in regular season games. So I would expect him to look a little sharper than what he did.

Speaker 18 Now, he was only in, I mean, he only threw seven passes, and so he's probably only in there 14, 15 plays.

Speaker 18 The question is long-term, because that's what we're getting down to.

Speaker 17 Because

Speaker 18 Tampa's long-term solution. Atlanta believe Pennix Jr.
is their long-term solution. Bright Carolina believes Bryce Young is their long-term solution.

Speaker 18 The question is, now, based on what they did, now maybe they believe Shuck is going to be able to come in and unseat Spencer Rattler and be their long-term solution.

Speaker 18 But in order to win at this level, at that level, in today's game, you got to get a quarterback. Because you know why, Ocho? Because...

Speaker 18 He's the one position that you cannot hide.

Speaker 17 Yeah. Well, yeah.

Speaker 18 If I got a weak corner, I roll coverage. Yeah.
If I got a weak safety, I'll keep him. I put his ass down in the box.
I keep him out of the hole.

Speaker 18 Okay. If I got a, if I got an offensive lineman, I'll slide protection.
I'll chip the back. I'll say, hey, you make sure you chip your way out.

Speaker 17 Right.

Speaker 18 So I can find ways to protect a weakness if it's something other than the quarterback.

Speaker 17 Yeah.

Speaker 18 You can't hide the guy that has the ball every single time.

Speaker 17 Yeah, you're right. But

Speaker 17 I like that you said that.

Speaker 17 For some reason, I'm thinking from an offensive perspective, thinking as myself as a receiver, and the quality, the quality of receivers they have, you know, in New Orleans, I'm thinking Chris Olave, Rashid Shahid, Brandon Cooks, they're so good.

Speaker 17 I can't remember the titan's name. He's a very good service of Titan as well.

Speaker 17 I can't remember his last name, but I'm thinking that they can be put in positions to be able to hide the weakness that Spencer Brattler may have, whatever it may be.

Speaker 17 That's what I'm thinking. That's my thought process, you know.
And as an officer coordinator, whoever the officer coordinator is, I'm not Keller Moore, he's the head coach.

Speaker 18 Remember, he's the officer coordinator for Philly.

Speaker 17 He's calling the plays, too?

Speaker 18 Yeah.

Speaker 17 Oh, man, listen, man. Listen, I don't want to lose my job.
So, what do I need to do?

Speaker 17 I need to use those around me. I need to use those weapons.
Right. Put them in advantageous positions because my quarterback is not as good as I'd like.

Speaker 18 Right. Juwan Johnson and Taysom Hill are the tight end.

Speaker 17 Oh, Jawan Johnson. Hey, he's nice.

Speaker 17 A young, young, young, young, young fellow. Yeah,

Speaker 18 he's more of an F,

Speaker 18 more of the H-back type.

Speaker 18 Got receiving skills. Got

Speaker 18 more of a move tight end. Taysom Hill is the same thing.
You can do a lot of different things with Taysom Hill. You can put him at full back.

Speaker 18 You bring him in and run the tush-push with him.

Speaker 18 You can throw him the football. You can do a lot of things with him.
And Kelly Moore has a very creative mind,

Speaker 18 But you've got to get consistent play from the quarterback position because it's the one position you can't hide. Eventually, I'll figure you out, and

Speaker 18 I'll make him beat me.

Speaker 18 I'll make him beat me.

Speaker 18 And I'll see if he can do it.

Speaker 17 Hey, that's tough. That's tough.

Speaker 18 Yeah, it is.

Speaker 17 And the fact that I asked that question and 90% of the Saints fans were like, yeah, it's going to be a long year.

Speaker 17 We might win four games. Hey, we won five last year.

Speaker 17 We We still haven't addressed the position that is the most important that we do need. And obviously they took Tyler Shuck and what, second round?

Speaker 18 I think they took him in. It took him in the second round.

Speaker 18 No, it wasn't. 40 of overall, Ocho.
40 of overall.

Speaker 17 Okay, yeah.

Speaker 17 So I'm assuming I'm not sure what they saw on film from him, as opposed to what we saw on film from 12. But listen, that conversation is like beating the dead horse.
They saw what they saw.

Speaker 17 I'm not sure what the scouts were and felt he was.

Speaker 17 So

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