Nightcap Hour 2: Unc & Ocho react to Patrick Mahomes unhappy with his Madden rating

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But Chad, I'm excited for both seasons here.

I'm happy.

I i mean golly man i'm not sure who your team is i know what my team is gonna do you saw a small sample size of what we're gonna do offensively defense uh we need a little work but i think we're gonna be all right because that's what preseason is for preseason is for getting the kinks out

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Hey, they called me.

They called me Edgar Allen Ocho.

Edgar Allen, man.

So Po.

Hey, I'm telling you what they called me in high school.

They called me Edgar Allen Ocho.

I promise you.

I was really,

I was a drama and theater major.

I do some of everything.

I take your word for it, Ocho.

Ocho, add Mahomes to the list of guys that weren't happy with their Madden rating.

Patrick Mahomes is confident that he can raise his players' rating to 99 overall once again.

I like playing Madden, so I would like to be rated higher.

But if I got to play and showcase that stuff on the field, I believe if I go out there and play the football, I want to play, we can get to 99 pretty quickly.

He's rated 95 overall after being 99 in the prior four editions of the game at release.

Listen,

it's okay.

It's okay.

Mahom showed that he's human.

We're not talking about the Super Bowl game.

Listen, Chiefs fans, I know we have some Chiefs fans in the chat.

Let's talk about how the quarterback looked and the quarterback play looked during the regular season.

Come on now.

It wasn't, it wasn't Mahom level consistently week in and week out on what

I'm seeing from him

yeah okay like like it's it's okay and i like that mahom said what he said because he has every right to be where he is at a 95 based on what we saw what he displayed on i know we know he made a super bowl we know he's one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time but based on what he did in a full season week to week it's not the mahomes were used to seeing even though they made the super bowl that's awesome i love him and he's going to probably be a 99 because he has that chip on his shoulder and has nothing to do with madden just in general he lost super bowl to the eagles

dismantled offensively by their defense and i'm sure he didn't make the pro bowl huh he didn't make the pro bowl oh yeah that

hey

let that sink in for a second yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah a guy that's been to what three consecutive super bowls he's been a two-time super bowl he was a back-to-back super bowl mvp he didn't make the pro bowl the next year he didn't play well it's okay it's okay you don't get to get him to be a 99 because you played well in the past and you get to keep that rating forever.

Yeah.

No,

it's a year-to-year thing and it's a game-to-game.

He didn't play well enough to rate 99 and that's okay.

And like he said, if I go out there and play like I know like I want to play, I'm going to be a 99.

It won't take long.

I'll tell you one thing, he'll be a 99 by goddamn week six.

If he plays like we think Mahomes can play.

Yeah.

Yeah.

He's going to be all right.

Dave Canalis said Bryce Young wasn't happy about being benched just two games into last season, but took it upon himself to respond the right way.

He continued to lead throughout that process.

He earned a lot of respect from his teammates, from me, regardless of the situation.

He didn't agree with me on the decision not to play him, but he worked and kept leading.

He was showing me, this is my team, and he was showing his teammates, you're my guys.

He came back in and we started to grow together.

And then, building into that into the offseason and the leadership continue.

That was the most impressive part to me.

It's a real challenge.

We've seen different situations, different scenarios on the team where a top pick is struggling and he can get isolated from his teammates.

He just stepped up.

Yeah, most definitely.

I think that benching was probably the best thing for him.

Yeah.

I think that benching was the best thing for him.

Being benched can be a wake-up call.

Two things can happen.

Either you can fold under the pressure or you can rise to the top.

Only two things are going to happen.

And he did just that.

He rolled to the top.

He came back from that bench and played extremely well.

He did.

Extremely well.

I'm like, well, goddamn, what Carolina Panthers team is this?

And

now they have something to build off of coming off of last season.

Going to this season, I think they have one of the most underrated receiving cores in the NFL.

And I'm willing to bet whatever on them this year.

Whatever.

They're going to be all right.

jimmy horn thieling brother legged yeah

man come on now

they should be they should be a lot better plus plus bryce has a year of this system under his belt yeah he's he goes he's going into his third year i think he like he's like uh canalis said he learned a lot he grew a lot and so now it's just to pick up where you left off last year and continue now that doesn't mean i mean look they're gonna be look you got to figure it out right

but you're ahead of where you were last year this time.

Yeah.

Most definitely.

And the guys believe in him.

And that's what you need.

You need guys to believe in you.

Because

if the guys in the locker room, they don't believe they can win with you.

It's going to be hard to, it's hard to get them back.

Yeah.

It is.

It's hard to get them back.

But him coming back, you know, he was, he probably was still around the huddle.

Hey, what, what, what, you know, asking what you saw on that?

Well, if you did, you know, I probably did this or, you know, if you did that, you know, probably would have come.

You know, he's around and he's talking, showing the guys I ain't over here sulking because I'm gonna get back, I'm gonna get that job back.

And all the things that I'm talking about you on the sidelines, and I'm talking about talking to you in the meeting room, they're gonna come to fruition.

Because now I got an opportunity to slow the game down and get the chance to see it while not being in there.

So now I get an opportunity to see, okay, oh, man, now I see.

Oh, that's why I made the mistake.

I should have went.

Boom, boom, boom.

Yeah, it's tough.

Anytime you get benched, nobody wants to lose their job.

Hey,

athletes have some of the biggest egos.

And the better the player, the bigger the ego.

Yeah.

That man is a Heisman trophy winner.

That man was the number one overall pick in the draft.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You know what?

And it's so funny.

The way bryce young carries himself i don't see him with the type he might have ego but he hides it in masks so well when i think of bryce young his demeanor the way he carries himself the way he talks he reminds me remember the five heartbeats hey chat y'all remember the five heartbeats yeah the young brother no he reminded me of choir boy that's what i'm saying

yeah

i don't i don't know i don't know why and just it just Bryce Young reminds me of choir boy.

Matter of fact, I'm going to call him choir boy the rest of the season because that's what he reminds me of.

Says all the right things, does all the right things.

He seems like the pastor's son, you know, and just happened to be in one of the best positions for the Carolina Panthers.

He's quarterback number one.

And

as Bryce Young goes, so does everyone else.

Bryce Young is only as good as his supporting cast, which is why I'm so high on the receiving core that he has to work with.

That offense is going to go as far as they take him.

So he's going to need that receiving core to step up this year and everybody be consistent at what they do.

Oh, Joe.

Quarterbacks have always had the biggest ego.

They just do the best job of hiding it.

They do.

That's a good one.

Do you understand

what it takes to play that position and to play it at an elite level?

What you have to know?

How much you have to study and prepare?

There's a reason why they behave in the manner they behave.

Now, some, they do a better great job of hiding it.

Right.

But

as we've seen Tom Brady get further and further away from the game,

you see,

you hear

what he thought, how he thought.

Yeah, we say, oh, that's going to be a good team, but I'm knowing we're going to beat the brakes off them.

Yeah.

I say it.

Every quarterback is politically correct, and I hate that.

You hear Tom talk, you hear Peyton Manning talk, they'll never ever truly say how they really give you no bulletin board material at all, at all

at all.

I don't think, has there ever been a quarterback?

There's never been a quarterback that went against the grain on how they're supposed to be, right?

No,

because most of them played that position all their life.

A lot of them played it, you know, their father was in their era or their father was their coach.

And so, you know, hey, we don't give people bullets to board material.

We always praise the opposing team.

What a great team, how well coached they are, how disciplined they are, knowing all the while we're about to F them up.

Right, right.

That's how you do it.

That's how a lot of quarterbacks do it.

Right.

That's how most of the quarterbacks, I mean, you don't, I mean, John ain't getting nobody, no bullet to board, Marino,

Kelly, Montana, all the great.

They didn't give you nothing.

First of all, Ocho, why am I going to give you?

Bro,

don't I know that you're trying to kill me?

Do I need to give you,

I don't need to add any more incentive.

The bear is hungry.

I don't need to douse myself with sardines, Ocho.

I'm already out there in this territory.

Yeah.

And

he ain't had nothing to eat in a while.

So they like, me and you, Ocho, like,

we only got a couple of guys that's trying to get us.

Yeah.

He got 11 guys trying to get him.

Because he take off running.

Everybody tried to lay a hat on him.

The D-line trying to get him.

They blitz the linebackers.

They tried to get him.

And everybody tried to get that shot.

Yeah.

But you saw Richardson got hit with.

They tried to put that helmet right there in that breastplate, just like that.

Well, hold on now.

Now you talked a little trash now.

I talked a little trash.

Now we might not have had to deal with 11 people, but we had to.

Oh, they tried to give us, oh, yeah.

Hey, we had to deal with seven.

Yeah, but we had to have a head on Swivel.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

To me, it forces you.

It forces you to play at a higher level.

It does.

Top of your game.

All your I's better be dotty and your T's better be crossed.

Because if it's not,

yeah,

true.

You'll be looking, hey, you listen, you'll be looking out the side.

There's one lie spoken.

Oh, them some fun days.

Yeah, because you put it out there.

And when you put it out there, you got to back it up.

Yeah.

So, yeah, it's,

I like that Bryce.

Look, the man played at a top flight.

I mean, he played at a top flight program at high school, played at a top flight.

Think about who he followed at Alabama.

He was in the room with Tua and Matt Jones.

And, you know, he's like, hey, and all he did was win the Heisman.

Waited his time.

Went to Heisman.

Took him to the national championship game.

It had been interesting how the game would have turned out had Metchie not got hurt

in the championship, had got

the SEC championship, and then Jameson Williams got hurt in the national title game.

Oh, that's right.

It's ACL.

Sure, did.

So, with all that being said,

you know, obviously he felt some type of way about losing his job.

And he lost his job to a guy.

Y'all know he's not the answer.

Y'all know he's not going to be the future.

Andy?

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think he's still in the league.

He probably, where is he, Andy now?

In Chicago?

Yeah, that's a good question.

I'm not sure.

I'm sure he's still in the league, though, because Andy Dalton, obviously, with the experience and his veteran presence, he would be great.

He's going to play for a very, very long time.

Yes.

Very serviceable quarterback that can get the job done at the quarterback position.

Damn, where is he?

He's still in Carolina.

Oh, he is still there.

Okay.

Okay.

See,

he can be an informant.

He can be a double agent

because he's inconspicuous.

Nothing sticks out about him.

See, if you're too high,

it's hard to go and notice, isn't it?

When you've had an impressive resume, it's hard to go and notice, isn't it?

Yeah.

Look at the backups that played long, long periods of time.

Right.

Josh McCown.

Case Teenum.

Fitzpatrick.

So,

yeah,

I'm happy for him.

Look, Atlanta, I think Atlanta is going to be better.

I think Tampa's going to be better.

New Orleans, they lead the quarterback situation.

If they get that figured out, you know, they're going to play tough.

Uh, but I do think Atlanta and

Tampa are the two teams in that division.

I think they're the teams to beat, I think they're the teams to watch out for.

Hey, but

Tampa added the receiver by the name of, excuse me, if I chat,

Ibuka, is that right?

Yeah, Ibuka.

Man, I didn't see, I didn't seen the one-on-ones, the seven-on-fours, the 11-on- He cooking in the slot.

Man,

they already had goddamn Mike Evans.

You already got Goddamn,

Chris Godwin.

And then you add young,

man, Baker Mayfield got to be like a little kid, a kid in the candy store, man, with a remote control.

All he got to do is just put the ball in the area, just put the ball in the vicinity.

You got Bucky back there.

gonna they gonna be nice

they're gonna be nice they are they got a good team um

defense tough nice yeah

you know they got vita vea they got devant uh they got uh

uh levante david uh winfield jr is back healthy i like dean i think

if he can stay healthy yeah he get these you know uh get these ticky tack injuries hamstring and he gets dinged um but when he's healthy, yeah, he's one of the better cover people for real.

I mean, long-range guy.

He left me about 6'4.

Yeah, you know who he reminded me of?

Who that?

Remember Anthony Henry?

Anthony Henry played with Cleveland long.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Anthony played, we played with the Cowboys, something too.

That's who it's Jamal Dean.

That's his name.

Jamal Dean.

Jamal, Jamal.

I like him.

He's nice.

He's nice.

Yeah.

All right, Carolina.

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We'll see.

We'll see early on.

But

they got to start off fast, OJo.

You know, when you're a young team, you start off slow.

It's hard to switch that thing around.

You need to have something good to feel good coming in the locker room the first couple of weeks of the season.

Like, yeah.

We dim

Dak Prescott when asked about Michael parsons trade request and if he's thought about the possibility of micah not being his teammate no not necessarily i think if we wouldn't have been in his shoes and watched the other guys be in his shoes and get rewarded maybe but i've got faith in the joneses and the team uh as i do in micah and his team levin is a cowboy

dak knows twice he's been in that situation yeah he's been in that situation i mean so many guys have been in that situation but none of those guys have ever requested a trade though right yeah but listen obviously dak in his position you don't have to request a trade because you know your money coming no matter what because there's there is no answer at the position that you're playing right actually there's no answer for mikey either but obviously they treat the quarterback a little bit different than someone else they're gonna make you wait for your money I still don't understand the method behind the Madness and what they're doing.

Now, we've covered this two, three nights in a row.

don't know what, I don't know what Jerry is doing.

I think it was it was a it was a way to always keep the cowboys' name in the headlines.

And Jerry understood that.

I think he understood that.

I don't know.

It just makes no sense.

Yeah, I like what Dak had to say.

Dak, like, man, we look at, we'd have had so many guys in that position.

I've been in that position

twice.

CD was just in that position, what, last year.

And I don't know why we thought, I don't think you know what, Ocho.

Now, when I look back, I don't know why we thought it'd be any different.

Yeah, because Dak and CD went through it.

Dak went through it twice.

CD going through it.

What about Dez?

Did Dez have to go through that too?

No, they got Dez done because remember, Jerry said him and Jay-Z did that deal on a napkin.

Jerry blowing up the spot.

Yeah.

Um,

and I understand what Dak's saying, but

Michael said, that don't make it any easier.

I want my money.

Matter of fact, Michael, he won that practice there.

You saw that?

He wasn't?

Yeah, he meant me.

He said, his back locked up on that.

Yeah, he's having back spasms.

Back spasms.

Shoot, my back could be hurting too.

Hey,

you know, they say when you back spasm, you know, you're not supposed to lift anything heavy.

Wait till you get that big old signing bonus.

Them spasms are going to go away.

the spasms gonna go away

hey what i tell you boy hey football man the business side is a shrewd business boy yeah true it's a shrewd business man when it's time to get paid you think they love you until it's time to show me the money and if you don't feel like you say you do

They they play with everybody.

And the funny thing about it is, is

everybody's equal.

And the owners let you know that everybody's equal because nobody gets treated any different regardless of the team.

Trey Hendrickson, Terry McLaurin, Michael Parsons, all 32 teams,

everybody gets done the exact same way.

Yeah.

Some not as loud as others, but it's still the exact same way outside of the quarterbacks.

The quarterbacks get taken care of ahead of time and early.

Yeah.

You, you, you're not, you know, you're not wrong.

You're not wrong.

That's that's kind of how it happens.

You see now the Ravens did make Lamar sweat a little bit.

I think he had to play one year on the franchise tag.

Hey, they hey, hold on.

They played with it.

Not even sweat.

Hold on.

Hold on.

How about

what about when the opportunity presented itself and all the analysts and punners were talking about Lamar Jackson not being in Baltimore and them having the nerve to say

there were no teams that wanted him?

well that's foolish on their part because all the teams that needed quarterbacks oh cho name a team that needed a quarterback they got a quarterback that's on their roster right now that's better than lamar jackson

man

now we know uh uh cincinnati and kansas city and and and and buffalo we know they're straight they're good we we we talk about that but there are some teams and we know

hey i could have was it the giants Giants?

Was it the Giants owner came out?

Atlanta.

Oh, yeah, that was Atlanta.

Was that Arthur Blank that had the nerve to say that?

Can you imagine him on that turf?

In that dome with those fans?

They think they got Vic all over again.

Man, listen.

Seven and eight.

Unbelievable.

Unbelievable.

Man, but

can you imagine Lamar Jackson in Atlanta?

No disrespect to Penning Jr.

No disrespect to Kirk Cousins.

You talk about turning that city, turning that city.

And look at what you played, Kirk Cousins.

You could have had Lamar Jackson for at least another six, 10 years.

Oh, we don't want him.

We don't need him.

What?

Child, please.

Yeah, it is tough.

It's tough because you do everything you possibly can.

And Micah laid it out so eloquently.

He laid it out there on the line.

He was probably nursing something, lower extremities last year that caused him to miss some time, caused some of his production to dip.

He did all that and the hopes that, you know, they're going to do right by me.

Right.

Well, and listen, all players have the hopes that they're going to do right by you when you do what you're supposed to do on the field.

But those hopes.

Yeah.

Hope?

they show you every time.

Nah, we're going to make you wait.

We're going to make you wait.

Yep.

And it lets you know how they really feel about you.

It's more of a reality check.

Well, damn.

That's how they really feel?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And they'll show you every time.

Smile in your face, shake your hand.

Good job.

good job out there.

Doing great,

you're doing great.

Yeah, now let's let you let your eyes let your ears or your eyes be inside that negotiating meeting room.

Boy, you'll share the tear to see how they truly feel.

They call it negotiating, Ocho.

They call it negotiating.

Yep.

They call it negotiating

I don't want no part of that I just want to play ball yeah no I just you know

I Thought my thing was that once I got to a certain level, you know, we should be beyond negotiating

but you you you would you would think that

maybe I was asking a bit too much, Ocho.

Maybe I was asking a bit too much.

You think Michael Deals get done before the season?

Yeah, I don't think Jerry, I don't think Jerry will play like that.

There's no need to let this bleed into the season because if you let it bleed into a season, that becomes a whole nother distraction that the team has to deal with.

Instead of worrying about going to the season and having that behind you,

yeah, yeah.

And Jerry does it every time.

He always gets to play a sign right before the season gets ready to start.

He drags it out.

He drags it out.

Jerry ain't on no budget.

Jared ain't worried for no checks to clear.

He got the money.

Just go ahead and pay the man.

Oh, yeah.

He's going to pay him.

He's going to do it on his terms, on when he wants to.

And he showed just that with everybody.

Hell, Micah might say, you know what?

You know what?

I ain't even finna sign.

I'm going to play this out.

I'm gonna play this out.

And do me a favor.

Remember, they got two franchise tags.

And I was just gonna say, don't franchise tag me, please.

Since you already got

me, you can't franchise tag is Dak because Dak got in his contract.

You can't franchise him.

So he's not gonna play it out if they come to the table, but it's gonna take, it's gonna take more than what TJ Watt got to get this deal done.

And I'll leave a few nickels.

I'm not look.

If I can get a deal done for 42, 5, 43, even though I want 45, I'll do the deal.

Right.

Not do the deal.

The risk is too great for me not to at that point.

But

I think I'm going to agree with you.

I think I'm going to say

they get this deal done.

I think

Labor Day

leading to the first game.

Oh, yeah, because they play up, they're up first.

They got the Thursday night game against the Eagles.

And

you don't want

Sticks

not on the field for that game.

No.

Matter of fact,

you want to pay him

late

so we come up and show out in that game.

You're going to be mad.

You're going to be pissed.

Let me show you why I deserve the money that you strung me along for.

Man, shoot up.

Oh, Joe.

Someone listed the top five greatest football movies ever.

Remember the Titans was one.

That's a good one.

Blindside, two.

The Longest Yard.

Are they talking about the remake or the original?

Friday Night Lights.

If you want to win, put Booby Miles in.

Number five, Waterboy, Bobby Boucher.

Hold on.

I'm not sure who made this list.

But one, they're missing Rudy.

Okay.

Two, they're missing the movie.

Coach Carter?

Nah, not Coach Carter.

Football.

Okay.

They're missing Rudy.

What's the movie with Jamie Foxx and LL Cool J where Al Pacino gave that?

That's the longest yard.

That's what I'm saying.

But there was an original before that.

North Dallas 40.

Any given Sunday.

Oh, any given Sunday, Jamie Foxx.

Any given Sunday, that's what I'm talking about.

Where Al Pacino gave that speech

six inches between.

Oh, my goodness, man.

You know, Al Pacino.

You know he followed Mike Shanahan around.

Oh, to be able to do the role for the movie?

That's nice.

That's nice.

I love that about actors.

I love it.

To get in the character?

Yeah, to get in the character.

Yes, studying those.

Yeah, that's dope.

I'm trying to think.

What else?

Football movies.

Rudy.

What's the movie again?

With Jamie Foxx and LL Cool Jay?

Kenny Given Sunday.

Those two have to be on that.

I like Brian's song

by Brian Piccolo and Gail Sears.

It was Billy D.

Williams and

who was the other guy?

Oh my goodness.

What was this guy's name?

The Brian's song has to be there.

Well, hold on.

If they're going back that far, they might as well have Wildcats in there, too.

Please tell me you remember Wildcats with Goldie Han.

Yeah.

Chat, chat, y'all might be.

But you do realize, like, remember the Titans based on a true story.

Yes.

That was, that was Burns.

That was Burns, head coach, Herman Boone.

Real?

Yeah.

Okay, okay, okay, okay.

Yeah.

Hey, chat, if y'all y'all never saw the movie Wildcats and you want to laugh, you want to cry?

You talk about with Goldie Han?

Yeah.

You remember Wildcats?

I do remember it.

Hold on.

Matter of fact, they ain't even got the program up there with Lattimore.

The replacement?

I mean,

there have been some really good, like I said, Brian song.

Football movie, football movie.

The program, North Dallas 40.

I don't know but Wildcats man well that's that's a classic the program and Wildcats are classic football movies

I never heard of North Dallas I never even heard of that actually based on the true story

not before your time though yeah

uh but the water boy man man, I laughed so hard, man.

Yeah.

Man, Bobby Boucher.

Hey, he was hilarious, boy.

That was Adam Sandler, right?

Yeah.

He was hilarious, boy.

Henry Winkler.

Friday Night Lights.

You want to win?

Put Booby Miles in.

Booby Miles tore his ACL in that movie, didn't he?

I think,

what is that?

Odessa Perriman?

I think that's what high school he went to.

Longest yard, blind side, okay.

Remember the Titans.

That came out in 2000, and we were playing, what you call them, we were playing

the Tennessee Titans.

Really?

And they kept that on the video.

Don't let them get another yard.

Trying to think, man, that's it.

I can't believe they didn't put Rudy up there.

Boy, Rudy is a iconic movie.

Man.

It ain't better than him.

What?

Listen, Waterboy is a comedy.

You could take Waterboy off when we talk about football movies.

No, you can't take that off.

Not when Bobby Boucher was bouchering people.

You can't take that off.

He's Bouchering people.

Uh-uh.

Oh, man.

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That's funny.

Archie Manning says Arch isn't going to leave Texas for the 2026 draft.

According to Texas Monthly, as the season approaches, many of the same people who have already awarded Arch the Heisman and national championship are predicting he'll also be the number one overall draft pick in the 2026 draft.

His grandfather says he hasn't discussed it with Arch, but he knows his grandson Arch isn't going to do that.

He'll be at Texas.

The Mannings aren't buying the hype, aren't exactly none of the hype.

It feels to them like a setup.

People are saying the Heisman candidate, said Archie, the scoring building, the scoring building in his voice.

You know, you're not a Heisman candidate where you haven't even played with three games.

It's crazy.

He's like, well, I know y'all putting all this pressure.

So if it doesn't happen, y'all are going to say, see?

Yeah.

Arch Manning going to be all right.

He's going to be all right.

And if he has the season that we think he's going to have based on what everyone is saying,

he out of there in 2026.

And he's going to be the number one pick in the draft.

And I could tell you, I could tell you where you're going right now

because there's one team in NFL.

He's a going to Cleveland.

Huh?

He ain't going to Cleveland.

He ain't going.

I ain't say you're going to Cleveland.

I ain't say, I say he ain't going to the draft.

Oh, no, he's going to the draft.

If he has the season he's going to have,

there's one team in NFL right now that has no answer at the quarterback position, and they're going to be horrible all season long.

And

you should know, NFC South

New Orleans don't have no answer at the quarterback position.

And it's going to be hell over them for them boys.

Number one pick.

It all makes sense.

Archie Manning to the New Orleans Saints.

Well,

I'm going to take Popeye's voice.

I'm going to take Popeye.

He said he ain't going nowhere.

Of course they're going to say that because he hadn't played football yet.

He hasn't played a full season yet.

He hasn't won the Heisman yet.

But when he had two sons, that and Peyton could have been what Peyton was, and he stayed.

You know, they look at it like you only gonna get to go to college once, son.

Yeah,

baby, but

what you told me about going to the NFL when you got the opportunity.

But see, when you have, when you come up and you got money, oh cho, it's different than for us now.

We ain't living like that, right?

Right, right.

It's different,

oh cho

if you if you survive an hour in a room with one of these you get 10 million dollars which one you choosing give me give me give me what's up there tell me what i got up there

you got a a crocodile a tiger a lion a bear crocodile

yeah for sure crocodile you know what

You know what?

Because obviously living in Miami, and I'm not trying to be funny.

I know I make jokes a lot, but I'm not trying to be funny.

I want to make and be in the room with the animal where if I don't move, they're not going to move.

Listen, the bear is going to attack you just because.

The lion and the tiger, they're going to attack you just because.

The alligator, unless you

make any sudden movements, they ain't moving.

They lazy.

They ain't just going to attack just because.

Yeah.

They ambush.

They don't chase prey.

They ambush predator.

Yes.

Now,

if the room got water in it, you go down there to the hole, he might get you.

Yeah.

But for an hour, I don't want no water.

I can sit right there and we can have a staring contest.

Yep.

You can have a staring contest for an hour.

I'm going to walk out of there with.

Yeah, you got no chance with those other.

You got no chance with those other three.

Yeah, that was easy.

It varied.

Diana Taurasi, self-titled three-episode doctor series premieres tomorrow on Prime Video.

In a preview snippet, she recounted having to use WNBA offseason to secure bigger paydays by playing in other leagues, other leagues overseas.

I'm the best player in the world, and I have to go to a communist country to get paid like a capitalist.

We weren't making much money, so generational wealth was coming from going to Russia every year.

Now we have to come back home and get paid nothing.

I play in a harder league in worse conditions against the best competition in the world.

The effing janitor at the arena made more than me.

Whoa.

She said that?

That was you say?

Ouch.

Now, DT is gonna speak now.

Hey, I don't know if you really know her like that, but no, she's gonna speak on it.

She's gonna speak her mind now.

Right.

Oh, yeah.

If she feels a certain type of way about something, you'll know it.

Yeah, you know, things are changing in that area from a revenue perspective for the women.

You know, more.

They still have to go in the unrivaled league and they make more in three weeks or a month than they made in a whole year.

Yeah,

that's unfortunate.

That's unfortunate.

And I don't know the specifics, you know, when it comes to the WNBA, but I do know that things are getting better, obviously.

Women get better.

Well, we'll see in this collective bargaining agreement.

If they get a bigger split of the revenue

since the uh the revenue is increased, does the percentage of the revenue increase?

Right,

so that's what's going to be interesting.

So, we won't know if it's gotten better until we see what these new deals start to look like.

If they're going to be someone making 350, 400, half a million, right?

Then I can say, you know what, Ocho, yeah, they're getting better.

Yeah,

I'm hoping so.

They deserve it.

They deserve it.

You know, there have been a lot of women that have paved the way and built the foundation for the girls that are playing today.

You know, and it is good to see the game continues to grow.

More eyes, more visibility.

And I'm hoping it does pay off for them.

I agree with you.

Luca Donchic was spotted driving a $2 million all-electric hyper car.

Look at this video, Ocho.

A remnant Nevera is an all-electric starting price, $2.2 million.

Top speed, 258 miles per hour can go zero to 60 in 1.74 seconds according to the manufacturer

boy

that's expensive there boy

that's expensive at that kind of speed you'd be able to go like five minutes and go need another charge yep

hey listen the funny thing about it is you live in la

I'm not sure you're going to be able to speed no matter what time it is.

The track?

LA?

Nah, you needed that during during the pandemic because you can get on the 405 with nobody on the pandemic and during the pandemic with nobody on the 405 yeah but literally i'm just thinking about the la traffic you ain't gonna never be able to speed where you going

where you going 405 the 10 the 110 the five

everything crowded

258

And they need to tell me about that because I ain't going to be in there either in the passenger seat or the driver's seat going 258.

But

I mean, there's no way, there's nowhere in the states where you're going to open up like that.

What, Pacific Coast Highway, maybe?

If anything, boy, I ain't taking it.

Boy, all the winding turns.

I mean, there's no, where's the street?

There's no

Pacific.

Like you be saying, specific, you're gonna be in the Pacific.

Hell no.

That's the only thing I can think of.

I mean,

that's long enough where you can actually open up and have some fun.

I will, I don't want to, I mean, unless you go to the salt flats or somewhere

in Utah,

I mean, ain't nothing.

I mean, maybe the Autobahn, but I'm just trying to figure out where you're going to go that you can just open it up like that.

Right.

But even if you could, I'm just saying I'm not going to be in there.

Somebody else can tell me, yeah, man, it got the 258, but I don't want no part of that.

I mean, you know how quick you come up on stuff at that speed like that?

I mean.

hey that's that's uh-uh i mean listen especially if you're not a professional driver a professional driver like if you drive nascar you drive you drive f nd formula one something like that yeah you need to be a pro your your eyes and your mind your reaction time is used to driving at speeds like that so you can react faster just in case something goes wrong but you gotta be throwing that kind of speed Unk, you don't have draftsters go that top you funny cars.

Yeah, oh and that's only a quarter mile little Ocho.

I don't want no part of that.

They're hitting 300 and a quarter of a mile.

I don't want no part of that.

But you got to understand now, this is different now because it's electricity.

It don't require that spark.

So that's why it goes to zero to 60 in 1.74 seconds.

That thing is instantly.

The moment you step on electric Ocho, it's out.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's out.

Yeah.

That's crazy.

But I don't want no part of it.

Over a decade, James Howell has finally given up his search for the hard drive, Ocho.

ocho he accidentally threw away in 2013.

It held 8,000 bitcoins with a net worth of 950 million.

By 2030, it could be valued at 8 billion.

Howell is abandoning his long-running effort to excavate

from a trash landfill.

His quest included legal battles, drone surveys, and 25 million British pounds offer, 33.3 million to buy the landfill outright.

Hey, how do you accidentally throw that away?

I'm just curious.

Hey, bro, it's a hard drive, Ocho.

You don't think people are throwing away hard drives?

Something of that importance?

No, but you see what it's in today's time.

It wasn't worth that then.

Oh, okay.

I see what you see what you mean.

yeah of course if it worth 950 hell no

it was probably eight it was probably worth

what eight thousand if that

if that

some things you gotta hold on to you just don't know but here's the thing ocho let me ask you a question and uh a lady sent this to me she said

Your best decision that you've ever made, did you know it was the best decision that you ever made at the time that you made it?

No,

your worst decision that you ever made, did you know it was the worst decision that you ever made at the time that you made it?

Yes, because the consequences were severe.

No, at the time you made that decision, you knew that was the worst decision you were making.

No, I see you didn't.

You're doing the causality of it because of what transpired.

I'm asking, at the time, at that moment, you made a decision.

Did you know that was the worst decision of your life?

No.

yeah

because if you're like hold on this decision man is about to be the worst decision of my life

because if you knew that you wouldn't make it

think about how many times you made a decision and it turned out to be one of the best decisions but you didn't know that at the time

And some of the decisions that you thought was so ingenious, like, what the hell was I thinking?

Right.

So at that time, 2013, Ocho, it was probably, Bitcoin probably was like $100.

You probably could buy a coin for $100.

Now,

I told you, somebody tried to sell me some.

I was like, bro,

I don't know nothing about it.

Right.

This was like 2015.

You understand digital currency now?

I don't.

And did you talk about a hard drive?

Yeah.

I don't know nothing about that.

You know what's funny is the fact that he stopped looking for it.

Now, watch he stumble up on it.

He ain't finna stumble up on that.

If he's looking in the landfill,

he ain't stumbling up on that.

That's what he's looking for.

Good luck.

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, he ain't stumbling up on it.

Good luck.

He ain't stumbling up on that.

It's one thing to lose your keys.

And you know, you look at all in the refrigerator.

You look at all in the oven.

No, damn well, you ain't put no keys in no refrigerator, no oven.

I mean, when you lose something, you look at the most ridiculous places where you know you ain't put it.

But the mind just says, well, they just look.

And you try, well, let me let me retrace.

Well, I woke up at this time and I walked downstairs and I did this.

I pulled myself a car.

You try to retrace.

I mean, you literally try to retrace your steps.

That's the especially when you lose your keys.

You mispace your keys.

Best thing is to stop looking for it and then you'll find it.

Find it.

Yep.

But not like, not if you go and look at a landfill now.

Because the likelihood of you.

And he's talking about he's done

drone surveys and a 33 million dollar.

He wanted to buy the landfill outright.

Damn.

They said, you're going to get your ass out of here.

But

for nine hundred fifty uh a million yeah i'll be looking for it too ocho i ain't fit to hold you exactly i'll be looking and i'll be hiring some more folks on their hands and knees hey

find it i got a hundred for you

you know as a matter of fact ocho with that kind of money i split it whoever find it i split it the whole thing

I will split it with them.

Yeah.

Would you rather have, would you

have 100% of nothing or a half of something?

But that's a little too much, though.

Okay, well,

it's going to stay missing.

It's going to stay missing, then, damn it.

You're going to spend $950 million?

That's $475 million.

Or it can stay missing and you got nothing.

You see, didn't Jay-Z tell you?

Some people get so caught up in having 100% or nothing.

Oh, okay.

I got you.

I should be going with it.

I should be going.

I should be going with it.

I like it.

Shoot, tell him, tell him, hit me.

I help him find it.

Yeah.

And the thing is,

we find it, okay.

It could be worth $8 billion.

It's worth $9.50.

In five years, it might be worth $8 billion.

That's $4 billion for you, Ocho.

Hey, tell him.

I'm going to be for me, too, because I found it.

Tell him, hey, listen, if he's looking for it in the landfill, I got some dudes out the city right now.

I guarantee they can find it in less than 24 hours.

I got some boys to find that thing for him quick.

You think so?

Hey, what?

I know so.

Absolutely.

Oh, Joe, it was thrown away 12 years ago.

Do you know how much stuff done been dumped in that landfill?

Yeah, yeah,

and how many hard drives?

Good luck.

Boy, for 900 man, listen, brand, listen, get put the right people out there.

I tell you,

tell you, well, I got back.

I got a home, I got a homie named Lil Scooter.

Boy, Lil Scooter can find Jimmy Hoffe, so you put him on the case.

I'm telling you,

you got the wrong people trying to do the job.

That's the problem.

You got the wrong people trying to do that kind of.

Yeah,

all right.

Bet Lil' Scooter.

Now it's time for our final segment of the evening.

It's time for Q and A.

Marco prove it.

Bungles gonna bungle.

Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, homie.

Homie, it's a preseason.

That's not necessary.

And the Bengal, the Bengals did what they were supposed to do.

Offensively, that's what I was looking for.

I was looking for us to go out there and look sharp offensively outside of one Aaron throw, which was the first one of T.

Higgins bounced off his hands.

That's it.

Now, defensively, they got to work on that.

That's not my area of expertise unless it comes to Pacific DB play.

So.

Do Logante.

Ojo, the Cincinnati defense is cooked, sir.

Everything that great offense can do doesn't matter if the defense can't stop nothing.

That was our second team offense.

Child, please go birds don't worry about it go birds go birds i like the eagles too i'm an eagles fan well hell i'm a fan every goddamnbody but again this is the preseason pump your brakes a little bit

mr tomlin said do you think the coach should trade for shador

to who

the coats

Wait, let's see what he does tomorrow night first.

Let's see what he does.

But if he plays good, they're not going to trade it.

Exactly.

Let's see what he does tomorrow night first.

And I already told you how it's going to look.

I don't need to repeat myself either.

But again, that first drive, he's going right down the field.

I'm telling you, watch.

Yo, Cade, Ocho, Marky Calendar, week four, Monday night football in Mile High.

Nick's gonna cook your defense.

Satan, Huffnanger,

Hufanga.

Oh, so we need.

Hufanga.

Greenlaw, Bonito, gonna give them hell.

Be ready.

Wait, what date did he say?

The Broncos played a Chiefs in Mile High, Monday Night Football.

That's week one,

week four.

Oh,

it ain't looking good for y'all.

Look great.

Aaron Owens says, is Deshaun Watson's career over after this year?

He's going to get cut after this season.

Most likely, is he worth the distraction as a backup?

Well, if he's a backup, how is the distraction?

Your guess is good as mine.

Yeah.

Uh, Quentin May says, Media, but us in the shadow, but we will shine.

Go, Bucks,

Kipper.

Norwood Jr.

Ocho, my question is: What are your top three favorite NFL celebrations

that you did during your career?

Top three?

Uh,

Probably

when I scored sometime in September, I forgot who we were playing.

Uncan, I put on a sombrero and poncho for Spanish Heritage Month.

Obviously, the NFL.

They fined me 30 grand.

I didn't care.

It was worth it.

The second one would probably be Tiger Woods.

He just won a major.

He had won some big tournament.

And I watched it on Saturday.

And I copied the putt with the pylon.

That cost me money too because you can't use props on the field.

Nope.

And the third third one, I didn't even get a chance to do.

It would have been a third one.

But my third would probably be the marriage proposal to the cheerleader because she had no clue what was going on, but she played it off based on my mannerism of what I was doing.

She just said yes and I hugged her.

I was going to kiss her, but I didn't want to get in trouble.

But the one I wanted to do so bad was in 2005.

We were playing the Kansas City Chiefs and I put, remember the, remember the easy button from the Staples commercial?

Yeah.

So I put the easy button.

You know, you press it, it says that was easy.

I put the easy button under the north and south end zone goalpost underneath.

Yeah.

And I was hoping to score.

And I was like,

yeah, you can grab the easy button and run the Carson and have Carson press it.

I think that would have been, that would have been really, really, really dope and really creative.

I didn't get a chance to do that one, but that would have been a dope one.

Deshaun Allen said, Hey, Uncle Nocho, who was a great, great player that became a great, great coach in what sport?

Great player.

Since we got football, I'm guessing he's thinking football.

I don't know.

That's a great question because most of the time players that were really, really great, they didn't make good coaches.

Huh?

Yeah, Dicker, the only one I could think of.

I mean, Dicker was in the Hall of Fame and he won a Super Bowl.

Jim Harbaugh played in the NFL.

He wasn't a great player.

He went to the Super Bowl.

We talked about great, great.

And then he said, made a great, great coach, Bill Russell.

So think about Magic Johnson.

Magic Johnson was a phenomenal, great player, but he didn't make a great coach.

And

you told me about that.

Now, I didn't know you would think someone that was great at the game of basketball would obviously be great at coaching it.

Most of the time,

the great coaches were the good players.

or average players, but they weren't great.

Could you see Jordan, if he ever would have rewind back time, Jordan coaching, coaching how would he be as a coach

no

lebron came easy to him that's what

you just said

no

bird was a great player bird was coach of the year

steve look at steve kerr

role player right or titles

Ah, but wait a minute.

Does success of a coach really have to do with his personnel and what he has to work with?

Aha.

That makes a coaching job easy.

You have those kind of players.

Jordan didn't win with anybody else but Phil.

Phil ain't win with nobody else other than Shaq.

He wouldn't even coach anybody else other than Shaq, Kobe, and Jordan and Pitt.

So what are we talking about here?

Because the coach can get things out of those players that maybe another coach.

Maybe he just knows how to push the right buttons.

Phil knew how to push the right buttons with jordan and then that bulls team he knew how to push the right buttons with shaq and kobe

well maybe somebody else doesn't not able to do that what about coach prime

or it hasn't been long enough

great great player be a great great coach he would need to be nick saban

or dabo or kirby smart but then he would have to be at a schools of that magnitude to get those type of players because we got to think, Nick Saban, look at the type of play.

He was a great, he was a, he was a, he was a great, he was a great player at Atlanta.

Atlanta ain't no but no powerhouse.

He just happened to win at the 49ers, but he was time.

And because those teams are higher profile, you got an opportunity to see him.

But you better check his resume in Atlanta.

He was that.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's hard.

It's hard.

And most great, great players don't want to be coaches.

They don't got patience.

That concludes this episode of Nightcap.

Thank you guys for joining us.

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