Nightcap Hour 1: Unc & Ocho react to Anthony Richardson getting hurt on the 2nd drive!

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Speaker 10 I'm your favorite Unc, Shannon Sharp, my partner and co-host, Liberty City's own, Madden Adjuster, Bingles Ring of Fame Honoree, the Pro Bowler, the all-pro. That's Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson.

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Speaker 10 We've got Chargers receiver and the legendary and the son of legendary Jerry Rice. Brendan Rice is joining us a bit later to talk about Rashawn Slater's injury today and the Chargers offense.

Speaker 10 But first,

Speaker 10 Ocho, Anthony Richardson was injured. Anthony Richardson was injured on the Colts' second drive.
He dislocated a pinky on his throwing hand.

Speaker 10 We can't show this because it's NFL property.

Speaker 11 Right.

Speaker 10 Uh-huh.

Speaker 10 Oh, but no, I'm saying the play that happened. Ocho.

Speaker 10 I don't know if you saw the play.

Speaker 11 Yeah, somebody blew assignment. I could have seen it.
He did. Hey, Uncle, tell me that.
The tight end went out, right? Isn't the running back supposed to pick him up and not go to the flat?

Speaker 10 Both of them pre-released, Ocho is hot.

Speaker 10 Everybody seemed to run the right route, know what it was except him. Oh, so the ball.

Speaker 10 You remember Justin Fields? His rookie year got his helmet taken off? Yeah. Because he missed it?

Speaker 11 Right, the hot read.

Speaker 10 it's two people seemingly ran hot because think about where the line went the line went that way to the left

Speaker 10 yes the tight end hooks up the back runs a flat okay so okay okay okay so I thought

Speaker 10 somebody look

Speaker 10 I hope I pray it wasn't him

Speaker 11 because in your third year it can't happen Ocho you got to be able to see that but this is what I thought on I thought

Speaker 11 the tight end went on his route right and i thought the running back was supposed to step up and pick up the end coming up since this this since the line slid to the left that's what i thought the ends coming up and i thought the back was gonna pick up from where the tight end left so i i could be wrong

Speaker 10 i hope it's i hope it wasn't his fault We might not ever know,

Speaker 10 but there are a lot of people. Jeff Fward says this is day one, empty protection installed.
Bummer for Richardson. He didn't see it.
Kurt Warner, an early preseason example of having pressure plan.

Speaker 10 O-line sliding to the left. Quarterback responsible for the linebacker on the right.
He comes. OT correctly squeezed for the guy away.
Hot.

Speaker 10 AR has to see this and ditch to the running back or the tight end. Tighten him right away.
Chase Daniel, day one install.

Speaker 11 Damn.

Speaker 11 Damn.

Speaker 10 When I saw saw it, I was like,

Speaker 10 I show hope they blew this and not him. Right.
That's what I said.

Speaker 11 Yeah.

Speaker 11 Yeah,

Speaker 11 you got to be able to see that. You got to be able to see it.
Obviously, obviously, when the quarterback comes to the line, you point to the mic, anything outside of the mic.

Speaker 11 If more comes to the line, sliding to the left, and more comes and you can block, boom, you got to know you're high.

Speaker 11 You got to

Speaker 11 be able to see it.

Speaker 10 I hope the tight end or the running back blew that.

Speaker 10 I really do, Ocho.

Speaker 11 I really do. If anything, it wouldn't be the tight end.
Actually, I'm assuming maybe.

Speaker 10 I'm not sure. You just wanted to be somebody other than Richardson's.

Speaker 10 Yeah.

Speaker 11 Yeah. I'm hoping so.

Speaker 10 Because he's a quarterback. And that is really day one empty protection because the line goes one way.
So anything that comes off that side.

Speaker 10 Now, I get it. Now, if you got, if you got, if you slide in the line one way and he's like, okay.

Speaker 10 Tight end, you hot back.

Speaker 10 But but if that's the case, Ocho, why would it tighten? here's the why? This is why it makes me think it's Richardson, right?

Speaker 10 If the tight end thinks the back is going to pick him up, he wouldn't need to be hot.

Speaker 10 You're only hot if nobody's coming, if nobody's there to block him. Okay, see, I didn't even know the tight end turns around and he thinks the back's there, he's not hot because I got somebody.

Speaker 10 It would take two

Speaker 10 to make him hot. One doesn't make you hot because you got a blocker,

Speaker 11 right?

Speaker 10 That's what makes me think. Now, I could be wrong, but it's to actually...

Speaker 11 If we played...

Speaker 11 Actually, if the quarterback points to the mic, it's two outside of the mic. That would make you...

Speaker 10 No, it would be one of the best. One guy came, Mocho.

Speaker 11 Huh?

Speaker 10 One guy came.

Speaker 11 Right. If the line is sliding to the left, outside the line.

Speaker 10 Line slides to the left. It would take one.
It takes one. It would take one point.
Okay.

Speaker 10 If the tight end thinks the back is going to take that guy, why would he run a hot route?

Speaker 11 I didn't even know he ran a hot route. I thought he went into his route.
So you could be right. You could be right.
I just saw the play at his.

Speaker 10 He only ran five yards. I mean, it's a stick,

Speaker 10 which will be, you know, the equivalent of a hot route. Maybe it's a built-in hot.

Speaker 11 Right.

Speaker 10 Built in sight of just.

Speaker 10 But my thing is, is that,

Speaker 10 and that's what made me think, line goes here. Okay, if two come, yeah, we're hot.
But only one came. So if the back was supposed to pick him up, the tight end wouldn't run hot.

Speaker 10 But like I said, the back could have blown his side. The black, the back, theoretically, Ocho, that could have been his responsibility.

Speaker 11 Right, right.

Speaker 11 i'm afraid we won't ever know because nobody's gonna throw nobody's under the bus listen even though nobody's gonna throw anybody under the bus now you know you're gonna have analysts you're gonna have pundits that are gonna replay this tomorrow on tv

Speaker 11 on all football platforms and they're gonna talk about it on who's at fault

Speaker 11 yeah now just based on what i saw i was thinking i thought the tight end just went into his route and i was thinking maybe the running back is supposed to step up and take on the end, which rarely happens because that's a complete mismatch.

Speaker 11 But you do sometimes get mismatches like that, depending on which way the line slides.

Speaker 10 Oh, you see, what they did is that they kind of ride a cross buck.

Speaker 11 Right.

Speaker 10 The tackle squeezed down.

Speaker 11 Right.

Speaker 10 You take the most dangerous. You take head up.
You take inside head up most dangerous man.

Speaker 10 I'm going to turn the farthest guy. I'm going to let him run the farthest distance.
Right. Because I know the guy that's in the gap, he has the shortest distance.

Speaker 10 I see the guy coming, he has a shorter distance than the guy that's outside of the tackle that's coming from distance.

Speaker 10 So, as I'm looking at it,

Speaker 10 they brought two

Speaker 10 bad Ocho.

Speaker 11 It's hot, huh?

Speaker 10 This ain't the tight. I don't know if this is the tight end, but all I know is he takes like three steps and get his head around.

Speaker 11 Yeah, the back that's hot rock. That's hot rock.
That's hot, huh?

Speaker 10 And the back

Speaker 10 and the back and the back goes to the flat

Speaker 10 i look

Speaker 10 i'm hoping that one of those other guys and i don't mean to put this on them but this is a horrible look if richardson missed this ocho a third year guy and this is day one protection this is not a good look this is a all downright awful horrible look for a guy that's in his third year and he's supposed to be the guy that's going to take you to where you want to go you can't miss that no you can't You can't.

Speaker 11 And listen, you saw what Chase Daniels tweeted, right? That is big one install. Because when you install, you always install the hots for every single play.
Every play, every play,

Speaker 11 has to install because at any point that they do blitz, defensively, they're always at an advantage because

Speaker 11 you can only block so many people.

Speaker 10 You can only block so many. The other guy can block and Richardson blocked him with his chest.

Speaker 10 That ain't what you want, though.

Speaker 10 You don't want your quarterback to be a blocker because he got the ball, Ocho.

Speaker 11 yeah

Speaker 10 yeah you got i mean you look at the guy in the slot he take three steps and he gets his head around you see the back the back doesn't even make the back tries to avoid him he didn't try to touch him nah no

Speaker 10 so he's getting in the flat damn man but here's the and and the thing is ocho he's looking

Speaker 10 So I don't know, man. I don't know.
This is just a bad look if he's the one

Speaker 10 that goofed this.

Speaker 11 I hope not. I'm hoping it's the latter.
I'm hoping I'm right, you know, for his sake, obviously.

Speaker 10 Yes, I do too.

Speaker 11 Yeah, I have a question. You would know that it's high.
I have no

Speaker 11 knowledge of the extent of injuries or how long it takes to recover. Dislocated finger, how long are we looking at?

Speaker 10 It all depends. Do they have to? I mean, look, he can't throw without a pinky.
You ever seen somebody throw with three fingers? I mean, four fingers?

Speaker 11 Nah,

Speaker 11 pinky's very important.

Speaker 10 Yeah, that's the one that.

Speaker 10 How are you going to hold it?

Speaker 11 Hey, man,

Speaker 11 where is the AC? It's freezing in here. Hold on.

Speaker 10 This is a bad look, Chad.

Speaker 10 Like I said,

Speaker 10 and I'm saying this because

Speaker 10 as a quarterback, you cannot miss this.

Speaker 10 So

Speaker 10 maybe the slot receiver, which is they said he's a tight end. I don't know.

Speaker 10 That's what

Speaker 10 Kurt Warner said. He's a tight end.

Speaker 10 So

Speaker 10 I'm going to take Kurt Ward for it.

Speaker 10 Maybe that's what they had him listed as, but he was in an up position, Ocho.

Speaker 10 So basically, he's a slot. He takes three steps.
He turns around. He gets his head around.

Speaker 10 Look at the back. The back is B-lining for the flat.

Speaker 11 So you have two options to go with it. Get the ball out your hands.

Speaker 10 You should go to the back because if you look at it, the safety sheet's down. He takes that guy right now.
Right away. So you should go to the flat.

Speaker 10 Right away. Yeah.

Speaker 11 Damn.

Speaker 11 And then not only do you make the mistake, making the mistake of not seeing the hot, now you hurt. I can see if it was a sack and okay, look, we get to come back.
You've seen it on film.

Speaker 11 Obviously, you're in your third year. So you should be used to that look.

Speaker 11 They're not doing nothing. Everything is vanilla.
It's the preseason.

Speaker 10 That is nothing exotic.

Speaker 11 Everything is vanilla. So you should be able to see it ahead of time.
And

Speaker 11 I don't know. I don't know.
I'm hoping. I'm hoping.

Speaker 11 We're going to know tomorrow, though, because they're going to break it down. Everybody's going to break it down.

Speaker 10 Yes.

Speaker 11 God, that's crazy, man.

Speaker 10 And the thing is, Ocho, the injuries, I mean, he's hurt. He missed 13 games as a rookie.
He missed another four last year due to an injury.

Speaker 10 That's 17 games and 34. So

Speaker 10 he's missed half the snaps

Speaker 10 in his career. They've said 34 games, 17 and 17.
He's missed 17. So he's missed 50%.

Speaker 11 Wait a minute. So he hasn't had a full season yet?

Speaker 11 No. I remember his shoulder.
Last year, was it last year he dislocated his shoulder?

Speaker 10 It was the shoulder that he dislocated as a rookie.

Speaker 11 Okay. And so,

Speaker 10 but he re-injured it, if I'm not mistaken.

Speaker 11 Damn, man. And this is the year.
This is a make a break a year, especially being in a quarterback competition with Daniel Jones. Well, hell, Daniel Jones looked no goddamn better.
No disrespect.

Speaker 11 Uncle didn't look no better. He didn't look too promising.
Oh, this is the quarterback of the future.

Speaker 10 Oh, Joe, but you got to realize he was also bitched.

Speaker 11 Oh, that's yeah, for coming out the game.

Speaker 11 Coming out, that's right.

Speaker 10 So he's missed more than half.

Speaker 11 What's next, Uncle?

Speaker 10 I don't know, man.

Speaker 10 He's got to figure figure this out, Ocho.

Speaker 11 Yeah.

Speaker 10 Damn. But I mean, when you take a guy that's a pro, and everybody said he's a project.
He has phenomenal God, he has gifts.

Speaker 11 Yes.

Speaker 10 Size, strength. He has a nice arm.
He has an unbelievable arm.

Speaker 11 Yeah.

Speaker 10 Crazy, refined to touch, but he's a project.

Speaker 10 He's a project.

Speaker 11 Damn. And

Speaker 10 this is not a good look. I mean, the first game of the season, the second drive on your,

Speaker 10 and you injured?

Speaker 11 Yeah.

Speaker 11 I could imagine, especially as a quarterback, you already know how much.

Speaker 10 I might mess up, but I ain't messing up something that's going to get me hurt.

Speaker 11 Yeah.

Speaker 11 You know how much they have to deal with, too. Yes.

Speaker 11 How much is on their plate coming to the line, you know, knowing what everybody's doing, being able to, you know.

Speaker 11 point out i mean oh it's it's so much is remember when i told you sometimes i i go in the huddle and i know how much carson has to deal with and I want the ball and instead of bothering him or saying something verbally, I'll just tap his hip just to put it in his mind, just to let him know.

Speaker 11 And then once I get out there, I still won't say anything, but let him know, listen, I know you got a lot to go through. You got your reads to make.

Speaker 11 You got to make a call and do your points, talk to the officer line, just to let you know I'm there. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 11 Just so

Speaker 11 subconsciously.

Speaker 10 That's the middle of the regular season. This is the first game of preseason.

Speaker 11 Yeah.

Speaker 10 Ain't nobody running.

Speaker 10 Ain't nobody putting anything on tape they want to run. At all.

Speaker 10 This is day one.

Speaker 11 Day one. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Obviously, yeah.

Speaker 10 Hand up like, damn,

Speaker 10 this all we got? Yeah. How about?

Speaker 11 Yeah. Cover one, cover three.
You might get a little.

Speaker 10 I ain't doing nothing exotic. At all.
I ain't doing no two, man. I might run.
I ain't clouding it. I ain't doing, I ain't banjoing no coverage.
I ain't doing none of that.

Speaker 11 Yeah.

Speaker 10 Man, I just, like I said, Ocho, and I hate to put this on the running back or the tight end, but

Speaker 10 it would be better if you guys goofed this than him.

Speaker 11 Yeah.

Speaker 11 Damn, man.

Speaker 11 I was looking forward. I was looking forward to him competing for that position.

Speaker 10 You're going to miss time. Yeah.
I mean, they probably went back in. And the question is,

Speaker 10 what's his pain tolerance?

Speaker 11 That's a good one. Well, obviously,

Speaker 11 you could take these two, huh? No?

Speaker 10 As a quarterback and throw the ball, that's his throwing hand. He ain't catching no passes.
He ain't rushing no passes. He's a quarterback.
You ever seen a quarterback tape two fingers together?

Speaker 10 On his throwing hand?

Speaker 11 I don't know. Throwing hand, no.

Speaker 10 Okay.

Speaker 10 There you go.

Speaker 11 And you saw his finger, it was sideways.

Speaker 10 Yeah, I know. I've had it.
I did my ring finger like that.

Speaker 10 And then I had to tape two of them together.

Speaker 10 But I'm catching the ball. I'm not throwing the ball.

Speaker 11 Right. Yeah.

Speaker 11 Damn, man.

Speaker 10 Damn. And his accuracy

Speaker 10 is challenged

Speaker 10 when five fingers are perfect.

Speaker 11 Come on.

Speaker 10 I'm just being, I'm just being truthful, Ocho.

Speaker 10 And so, I mean, Ocho, man, you know, look, you know, when

Speaker 10 things aren't going well, you need to be, you need to be, everything needs to be right.

Speaker 10 Your body needs to feel right.

Speaker 10 I mean, it's already a challenge. Right.
Because you know, Ocho, when you're injured and you don't have that, you just don't feel like, oh,

Speaker 10 yeah. Bro, it's hard to get open.
It's hard to cover people. It's hard to complete peak, complete passes.
Now, imagine that you're nicked.

Speaker 10 It's just, it's not a good look.

Speaker 10 And

Speaker 10 I hate to belabor it, but like I said, I just hope. And we, like I said,

Speaker 10 they can break it down. And Kurt said what he said.
Chase Daniels said what he said. The other gentleman said what he said.

Speaker 10 But it looked like to me the quarterback blew it, but I'm hoping somebody else did.

Speaker 11 Right.

Speaker 10 Maybe the offensive liner should have held off a little longer.

Speaker 10 I got to try to put it on somebody, Ocho.

Speaker 10 And he did. Hey, he gapped it.
Squeezed it down.

Speaker 11 Right.

Speaker 10 I'm going to make this guy run the furthest. I'm going to make him.
It's kind of like on punt protection. You make the guy that's the furthest away run the furthest to block the punt.

Speaker 10 I don't want to get anybody in the inside because they're closer to the punter.

Speaker 11 Right.

Speaker 11 That's tough, man. That's tough.
That's a, that's a, that's,

Speaker 11 you don't want to start the season off like that.

Speaker 10 No.

Speaker 10 I mean, I know. You don't want to get injured.

Speaker 11 Yeah, at all.

Speaker 10 That's the last thing

Speaker 10 you try to. Because you're not going to play a whole lot, Ocho.
You're going to play 10 snaps, maybe 15 snaps. Damn, and I get nicked on 15 snaps.

Speaker 11 That's crazy.

Speaker 10 I think we've hit that enough, Ocho.

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Speaker 10 Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase made the best of them.

Speaker 11 Who?

Speaker 10 Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase

Speaker 10 made the best of their first preseason game of the season. Joe Burrow, nine of 10, 123 yards, two touchdowns.
Chase, four catches, 77 yards, a tub.

Speaker 11 Look good.

Speaker 11 You saw it?

Speaker 11 Listen, Joe looked good. Outside of that errant pass at T.
Higgins, That was a little high, but that's fine. That's fine.
Listen,

Speaker 11 I will take what I just saw today.

Speaker 11 If we can do that next, if we can do that next week as well,

Speaker 11 get acclimated to the speed of the game. Get yourself ready, get in rhythm, because I don't care how much you practice the team going against yourself.

Speaker 11 When you play on game day, it is completely different.

Speaker 11 Let's be ahead of the curve this time this season.

Speaker 11 Okay, we done got our feet wet. We know what to expect.
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Speaker 11 I understand, Joe Burrow, okay, but I have to process a little bit faster. Okay, I got to get this ball out a little bit faster.
I got to anticipate a little bit better.

Speaker 11 Whatever it may be, instead of having to do that and find all those things out and try to find that rhythm week one when it's too goddamn late, there's no reason we should have lost to the Patriots.

Speaker 11 Last season, week one. Nope.

Speaker 11 As bad as they were collectively as a team.

Speaker 11 We shouldn't have to rely on anybody else towards the end of the season in december relying on them to lose a game so we can make the playoffs that's what happens when you don't take care of your business now you're you're hoping and and wishing somebody else do your job for you

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Speaker 11 1 and 11.

Speaker 10 I mean, you like what you saw, the little bit of time there and there, you look sharp.

Speaker 11 Absolutely.

Speaker 10 I just want A.

Speaker 10 A. I don't care.
Look, I want to score, but I want us to be sharp. I don't want penalties.
I don't want mistakes. I want us to go in there.
Hey, we got 10 plays. We got 15 plays.

Speaker 10 I wanted those plays to be crisp.

Speaker 11 Clean. And they were crisp.
They were crisp. If I'm not mistaken, we did get down to the goal line.

Speaker 11 It was the tripping.

Speaker 11 It was a low block, but he kind of fell. But he put the ref in a position where the ref had no choice but to call it because

Speaker 11 Mims was engaged with the DN or with the with the tackle, actually. Oh, you caught it.

Speaker 11 So they called a chop block, they called a chop block, but actually, the guard fell and he went low, and it looked like put the ref in a bad position. He didn't have a choice for the call.

Speaker 11 We still scored on that possession, right?

Speaker 11 Look good, but off, offense isn't the problem.

Speaker 11 Offense is the problem. We know we can score, we can know, we know we can put up points.
Yeah, the problem is on the defensive side of the ball, Tanner McKee looked good too.

Speaker 11 Yeah, if we score 35, can we keep the other team from scoring 36 and 37?

Speaker 11 That's the

Speaker 10 y'all, y'all scored. Y'all scored 14, gave up seven, and in the second quarter, you gave up 17 more.

Speaker 10 Tanner McKee was 20 of 25, 252, and two touchdowns.

Speaker 11 Hey, Tanner McKee, Tanner McKee, I heard you. I heard the Grice about your offensive Madden rating.
You look good tonight. You look very good tonight.
Now, my friend.

Speaker 10 I know Goodwell. Backups ain't complaining about no ratings.

Speaker 11 No, hey, Uncle. He, they complained about the rating.

Speaker 11 If you look at my timeline, you probably don't look at my timeline, but chat, if you look at my timeline, you will see everyone talking about McKinney performance tonight and asking me to raise his rating based on what he's done in the preseason.

Speaker 11 And he's there. He said in the clip in practice, oh, that's what my rating is? Okay, well, watch what I do on game day.
And he went out there and actually showed up.

Speaker 11 He literally went out there and showed up tonight. It looked good.
But I have a question.

Speaker 11 Do you credit what he did today against twos and threes and fours and other people trying to make the team as a reason to raise the rating? I'm just curious.

Speaker 10 No, because guess what? He's playing with twos and threes and fours, and he's going against twos and threes and fours.

Speaker 11 Okay, so that

Speaker 10 I mean, if Lane Johnson wasn't in there, if My Lotto wasn't in there, if Jorgensen wasn't in there, if Dixon wasn't in there, if AJ Bryan, the Devontae, and Saquon, so what are we talking about here?

Speaker 10 Did they play tonight? Let me cook, let me

Speaker 10 click on this and see what they got going on.

Speaker 11 That's that's that's a good question. That's a good question because I see all the people tweet me, and I didn't know how to answer it.
Is is a player really is it really justifiable in

Speaker 11 to raise someone's rating rating based on what they do in the preseason?

Speaker 10 No.

Speaker 10 I don't see none of the names that

Speaker 10 I don't see A.J. Brown.
I don't see Devontae. I don't see Saquon.

Speaker 10 I don't see Jalen Hurts.

Speaker 10 So he's going against,

Speaker 10 he looks like he's going against the competition that

Speaker 10 did your starters play? Pull up.

Speaker 10 Hold on. Ocho.

Speaker 11 Yeah.

Speaker 10 You do realize your defensive starters played, right?

Speaker 11 Yeah, they played the first two series.

Speaker 10 And you happy with that?

Speaker 11 Oh, absolutely not.

Speaker 10 Oh, okay. I was just checking.

Speaker 11 Absolutely not. No.

Speaker 10 Oh,

Speaker 10 man. McKee was 20-25 against your starters?

Speaker 11 I don't know about all that.

Speaker 10 Damn.

Speaker 11 Don't do that. Don't do that.
Don't do that. Don't do that.

Speaker 11 Don't do that.

Speaker 10 I mean, he did get a touchdown on the field goal against your starters. He got 10 points.

Speaker 10 That ain't Jalen Hurts. That's not Devontae.
That's not AJ.

Speaker 10 And that's not that massive, that mammoth offensive line.

Speaker 11 Yeah.

Speaker 11 Are we sure? Are we sure it was our starters that were in once McKean is McKean? I don't want to butcher his last name, McKean, right? McKee. Oh, McKee.

Speaker 11 Yeah, I don't know. I didn't really pay attention to what we did defensively, who was in defensively.

Speaker 11 I just was more concerned in making sure we came out offensively, explosive, clean, and we were just at those first two series.

Speaker 10 Look,

Speaker 10 let's not make a mountain out of a molehill. It's the preseason.
The preseason is to get an opportunity for your guys to go on and bang on somebody, hit somebody that's not their teammate.

Speaker 11 Pause, pause, pause, pause.

Speaker 11 Pause, come on, tighten up, man. But go ahead.

Speaker 10 It's an opportunity for you to tackle, block

Speaker 10 someone. that's not in your uniform.

Speaker 11 Yes, sir.

Speaker 10 That's not in your locker room, that you're not going to go sit in the dining hall and sit next to and kiki key with.

Speaker 10 This is your opportunity to do that, like what you're going to do in an actual game in the regular season. So, this is the first chance.
So,

Speaker 10 you want to see how your guys handle that? Because they haven't done this before.

Speaker 10 Your rookies and a lot of some of your first-year players had never done this before in a meaningful situation like this, Ocho. So, I want to see how they handle it.

Speaker 10 College is one thing. NFL is something entirely different.
So, I want to see, see, did they have, how did they have the moment?

Speaker 11 Completely different.

Speaker 11 I think for the most part, based on what I saw,

Speaker 11 defensively, obviously there are things that need to be fixed.

Speaker 11 You get back tomorrow and watch for him and see some things you need to correct. You're playing one of the better teams, one of the better well-coached teams at that, which is why I think...

Speaker 11 the second and third stringers for the Eagles look as good as they did against our defense. And you got to tighten it up.
As far as stuff that there's to build onto offensively, you continue to build.

Speaker 11 You

Speaker 11 continue to build on what we did tonight. Now, come the second game.

Speaker 11 I don't know who we played the second game in the preseason, but I'm hoping the starters again, once again, Joe and Chase and T and Zach

Speaker 10 to get another. Play two series, get three.

Speaker 11 Yeah, bingo.

Speaker 11 Get three series, you know,

Speaker 11 if you can. Then the third game, everybody shut it down.
Yeah. Everybody shut it down and get ready for week one.

Speaker 10 Yeah.

Speaker 10 I agree.

Speaker 10 I agree with that approach.

Speaker 10 The thing is, Ocho, the reason why I don't want to do anything complex, I want to be simple, because I want my guys to play fast.

Speaker 11 I don't want to think it.

Speaker 10 Bro,

Speaker 10 this is as simple as you're going to get. This is steamed rice.
This is broccoli. This is grilled chicken.
That's what this is. This is no seasoning.
This is nothing special. This is no added time.

Speaker 10 No extra anything.

Speaker 10 I just want you guys to play fast. This is what we do.
We're going to call defenses that will allow you to play fast. We're going to call an offense that's going to allow you to play fast.

Speaker 10 I want to see you play fast. Yeah.

Speaker 10 There'll be a time that, okay, we're going to add a little bit more now, Ocho. We're going to add a little bit, you know, you want a little season on this thing.
I'm going to give you a little season.

Speaker 11 Yeah.

Speaker 10 Yeah.

Speaker 10 Now, the third game, your starter's not going to play, okay, guys?

Speaker 10 See, I mean, I like me, Ocho, I like that third game because we played four games. I like the third game because we treated it like a regular season game.
And you come out at the half, what you do?

Speaker 10 Because you come out at the half, you go right back in there. Hey, offense, you up.

Speaker 10 Okay, defense, offense be ready. Defense, you up first.
Yeah.

Speaker 10 To get you in the mood of coming out of the game and coming out at halftime and having to go back into the game.

Speaker 11 Yeah.

Speaker 10 Everything.

Speaker 10 Whatever we do in the preseason, Ocho, all it's doing is preparing us for the regular season. It's giving us a dress rehearsal for the regular season.

Speaker 10 You're going to run packages. We're going to run, hey, we want to look at short yardage.
We want to look at our 12 personnel. We want to look at our 11 personnel.
We want to look at our empty package.

Speaker 10 We want to look at our jumbo package. We want to look at goal line.
We want to look at a lot of different things.

Speaker 10 And so, we're going to give you an opportunity in the three games that you're going to play.

Speaker 10 We want to try to put you through as many situations that's going to come up in the regular season as we possibly can.

Speaker 11 Right.

Speaker 10 Sometimes we just want to get it on film, Mocho. We just want to get it on film.

Speaker 10 Nothing major, but I just want to see what it looks like.

Speaker 11 Yeah.

Speaker 11 And you know what's funny? You know what I also like about the preseason?

Speaker 11 It's football in its simplest form, in its purest form, where you line up and it's just smash mouth football. Yep.

Speaker 11 No, no, like you said, no seasoning, no creativity. We're not scheming for the Eagles.
The Eagles aren't.

Speaker 11 We just lining up and playing football. Can you get out there, make the blocks you need to make? Can you

Speaker 11 stop the receivers? Can the receivers get open? Just it's just normal football. Can you do that at a high level and consistently?

Speaker 10 That's all I want to see.

Speaker 10 Oh, Joe, Trevor Lawrence says he wants Travis Hunter to play more offense.

Speaker 10 He says selfishly, yeah, I definitely want him on offense more. I told him, do you want to see, do you want to come catch touchdowns or do you want to maybe break up a pass or two a game?

Speaker 10 That's the decision you've got to make. Of course, as a quarterback, I hope he plays more offense.
Travis was asked, how difficult it has been to work both sides of the ball.

Speaker 10 It's not hard at all, if I'm being honest. The first off day that we had, I came back and did both sides, and that's the thing that got me, that got to me.
After that, I've been good.

Speaker 10 Trav will play both sides in Jacksonville's preseason game against the Steelers.

Speaker 10 That won't answer Devontae's whether Doc playing at a high level.

Speaker 10 Because I thought you're, like I said, he's going to have basic defense on uh on when he's playing a corner he's gonna have basic plays on offense

Speaker 11 but look

Speaker 10 until we get to the regular season ocho right and until he has to play both sides until he plays both sides of the ball we're gonna be watching the level at which he plays that's what we're concerned

Speaker 10 i think you and i and a lot of people are in agreeance agreeance yeah he can play both sides yeah but what's the level at which he's gonna play at

Speaker 10 because football is about levels especially when you're you're the number two to pick in the draft yeah absolutely

Speaker 11 you know what i you know what i like though what you like his confidence huh the fact that he believes he can do it that's where everything starts with in the beginning anyway

Speaker 11 the belief that i can do something having the confidence that i can do it and putting the work in to be able to do it and then not only does he have the goddamn confidence on he also has the skill set Yes, he has the goddamn.

Speaker 11 He has the instincts to be able to pull it off on both sides of the ball.

Speaker 11 now i agree you get a small sample size of that now you've done it in practice doing it in practice is one thing hell you know what's coming half the time you know

Speaker 11 they know what you're doing but how you gonna look in the preseason game you get a small sample size you're not scheming for anybody you have joint practices but again on game day chat i don't know how to explain it to you it's just different It's just different.

Speaker 11 There have been some times in practice, I feel like I'm running fast as hell and I get in the game and I'm moving, but it feels like I'm running insane.

Speaker 11 But I'm not. It just feels like I'm heavy.
It just feels, but you know, and I go back and I watch it and I go come to the side of As Hugh. I say, you,

Speaker 11 I don't know what's wrong, but it feels like I'm running slow. And he would look at me like, nah, it's not like, it's not that.
You just don't feel like you're doing practice because it's a game.

Speaker 11 The adrenaline, everything is moving. You know, you playing fast.
Okay, you sure? Okay, yeah, I'm good. But it's different.

Speaker 11 So I'm I'm excited to see not how he doesn't practice. Yeah, that's one thing.

Speaker 11 When do they play? When do the Jack Bars play? They play

Speaker 10 a Saturday. Saturday.

Speaker 10 Saturday.

Speaker 11 Okay. Hey, if they play, you know, I might go.
Please tell me it's in Jacksonville. I might shoot down to the game.

Speaker 10 Where's the game, Ash?

Speaker 11 Please, please say it's in Jacksonville.

Speaker 10 It's in Jacksonville.

Speaker 11 Say less. Now I got something to do.
I got something to do.

Speaker 11 I could watch that right up and close in person. Okay, bet.

Speaker 11 Hey, I'm excited, man. That's going to be nice.

Speaker 11 Yeah.

Speaker 10 But it's going to be, he's going to have to be locked in.

Speaker 11 Yes.

Speaker 10 For the entirety of the game.

Speaker 10 Because, you know, a quarterback, I'm only locked in when I'm, you know.

Speaker 10 Because guess what, though, y'all, I ain't worried about what the defense is doing.

Speaker 10 I'm not even paying attention to the defense. Right.

Speaker 10 I got my responsibilities.

Speaker 10 He's never in a situation where he doesn't have responsibility.

Speaker 11 I think he's going to be all right, though. I think he's going to be all right.

Speaker 11 I can't, I'm, I'm so excited. It's like, I'm almost like a kid

Speaker 11 the night before Christmas.

Speaker 10 Yeah.

Speaker 11 The excitement that football is here.

Speaker 10 That is

Speaker 11 happy. I'm

Speaker 10 definitely here.

Speaker 11 But then knowing, okay, we got a dynamic player, an individual, where everyone's doubting what he can do.

Speaker 10 You know, no, no, no, no, no, no, they're not what he can do. They're doubting he can do it at the level in which he did it.

Speaker 11 Yeah,

Speaker 10 so

Speaker 10 they know he could do it.

Speaker 11 So that's, that's the part that makes me excited. That, that, that, that has me excited.
Let's see if he can.

Speaker 11 Let's see if he can. It's no different than the Canelo and goddamn Bud fight that's coming up.

Speaker 11 Again, got me feeling like a little kid at Christmas. We understand how great Canelo is.
We understand Bud is going up two-way classes against someone who is a slugger,

Speaker 11 heavy hitter.

Speaker 11 How's it gonna play out? Boy, what's up, what?

Speaker 11 Man, listen, man, if I had your hands, I'd cut mine off. Boy, that's about it.

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Speaker 11 I'm good, Shay.

Speaker 10 How are you? Bro, I'm good, man. Thanks for coming on, bro.

Speaker 11 I appreciate you, Abby. Most definitely.
Awesome. Congratulations, you and your brother, both in the Hall of Fame, man.
That's huge.

Speaker 10 Appreciate that, man. Appreciate that.
Earlier this week, the quote was: Rice is coming off his best practice in the Chargers uniform Sunday. He caught two touchdowns at 11-11.

Speaker 10 Lance attempted another fade to Rice. Rice jumped over the corner, Leonard, and made a contested catch for a touchdown.

Speaker 10 You admit that you understand that I'm in a battle. I mean, there ain't a whole lot of receive response available.
It might only be one, and it might be two or three guys vying for that one spot.

Speaker 10 What has been your mindset coming into camp and what's been your mindset once you got into camp?

Speaker 11 Honestly, I've chased competition my whole life. So being in the battle,

Speaker 11 it's never something new to me, especially dealing with like, there's always adversity. There's always another thing that's coming upon you.

Speaker 11 And it's just how you go ahead and tackle it each and every day.

Speaker 11 Hey,

Speaker 11 I got a question for you, young boy.

Speaker 11 The pressures of having to live up to the legacy of your father how have you been able to deal with that obviously having a father that is known as one of the greatest and the pressures of you most of the time people expecting you to be and follow in his footsteps and be just as great as he is has it been any type of pressure on you to

Speaker 11 kind of get out of the shadows of dad and create your own own way in a sense

Speaker 11 Man, pressures are privilege. Yeah.
Oh, that's a

Speaker 11 son.

Speaker 11 shit.

Speaker 11 Oh, shoot. Hold on.
I'm going to put that in my notepad. Say it again.
What was that? What you said?

Speaker 11 Pressure is a privilege.

Speaker 11 Yeah, I got the last name. You know, shoot.
I dealt with it my whole life. All I felt was pressure.
All I dealt with was people commenting.

Speaker 11 And, you know, that's what it is when you're in the spotlight. Right.
Especially what my dad did. He was super humble about how we approached certain things, put the work in each and every day.

Speaker 11 You got to respect that, but I'm my own person as well.

Speaker 10 Well, let me ask you this: if you could have a conversation with Shadur, because we understand that his father is Coach Prime, and there's always, even though he didn't, see, the thing with you, the pressure is because you played the same position as your dad.

Speaker 10 Shadur didn't play the same position as his dad. But what advice would you give him?

Speaker 11 Honestly, I have no advice to give him. Shador got his head on straight.
He knows how to go ahead and be that,

Speaker 11 I would have to say, that public figure in the media and how to go ahead and handle certain things. The dude is awesome.
The dude's been terrific ever since he was at Jackson State to Colorado.

Speaker 11 Man, how he carries himself and how that whole family is just structured, it's awesome to see.

Speaker 10 The news came out, I think it was official yesterday, that Keenan Allen returned.

Speaker 10 He spent

Speaker 10 all but one year there. He left last year, went to the Bears, had a phenomenal season.
Now he's back.

Speaker 10 And, you know, like, damn,

Speaker 10 it did bring him back for a reason. I mean, ain't no sentimentality here.

Speaker 10 Hey, they feel he can still play, but you, but you understand, I'm sure your dad has told you that, you know, he got to where he got because of hard work, discipline, and dedication.

Speaker 10 And so you expect that, like, I'm going to come in. I'm competing for a job.
I understand that.

Speaker 10 My last name, people are not going to keep me on the team because of my last name because he's not out here catching passes.

Speaker 11 Honestly, yeah, man. Like, Keenan already has just shown that he's that leader in the group off rip.
You know, he's an old head. I'm giving him a little crap talking and everything.

Speaker 11 You know, both of y'all old heads too. Shoot.

Speaker 11 But just the way I seen him go ahead and position himself and he's not coming in demanding anything of everybody. He's coming in, putting in the work just like us.

Speaker 11 And I'm just watching his craft and the way he works and stuff like that. And

Speaker 11 it's something crazy, something that I haven't seen in like my whole career, my whole life, anything. Even though, yes, my dad, cool, I wasn't, I wasn't of age yet.

Speaker 11 But like, just seeing that and see who he is just goes ahead and drives me to put myself in a position,

Speaker 11 handle myself in a correct role, put that work ethic in each and every day, and let everything

Speaker 11 just let the dominoes fall. Yeah.

Speaker 11 One thing about it, when you put the work in, work in, and this is just not, this is life in general.

Speaker 11 No matter what people do, whether it be football, whether it be soccer, whether it be in the corporate world, when you put the work in, the fruits of your labor, they always rise to the top.

Speaker 11 You always get paid dividends for the work you put in. And obviously,

Speaker 11 we know you put in all the work. Every time you step on that field in practice, whether it be the preseason, that's part of your resume.
Yes, sir.

Speaker 11 That's your resume. So, when the opportunities do present themselves for you in LA, all you have to do is make the play.
That's all it comes down to.

Speaker 11 Can we count on Brother Rice to make the play when his number is called? Whether we call your number five times, whether we call your number one time, can you make that play?

Speaker 11 And once you take care of that part of

Speaker 11 your end of the bargain, there's nothing else you can say. May the chips fall where they may.

Speaker 10 Brendan, every time you step on the field, just remember you're auditioning for 31 other teams.

Speaker 10 The Chargers are not the only ones that pay players. There are 31 other teams.
That film,

Speaker 10 that's your

Speaker 10 tape is your resume. Yes, sir.
And so you just make sure that every time you step on that field, you make sure you update that resume.

Speaker 10 They say you're supposed to update your resume now every six months. But in sports, you get an opportunity to update it every day, every other day, once a week.

Speaker 10 You make sure that when you step on that field,

Speaker 10 you putting that resume out there for 31 other teams. Hey, I'm the charges.
Yeah, you got first, you got first crack at this. I'm giving you first a first opportunity to buy this.

Speaker 11 But if you don't,

Speaker 11 yes, sir.

Speaker 10 That's how you have to approach it.

Speaker 10 Even when you're year two, when you're in year three, when you're in year four, it does not matter

Speaker 10 because all I want is if somebody gets tired of me, I want somebody else to want me.

Speaker 11 Yeah, he's spitting that god,

Speaker 11 hold on, hold on.

Speaker 11 Say that again when somebody, what I got, I got to put it in my notes because they ain't got yeah, but you got oh, Joe, oh Joe, you know how it is.

Speaker 10 When somebody doesn't want you,

Speaker 10 you want someone else to want you.

Speaker 11 Oh my god,

Speaker 10 oh Joe, Yeah,

Speaker 10 I like it. I like it.
Hey, Brendan, the big news out of training camp today, Rashawn Slater signed a massive contract, offensive lineman, ruptured his patella tendon. Wow.

Speaker 10 What was the mood of practice? I mean, because obviously you don't know the severity of it. You just know he goes down.
He's in grimacing in pain.

Speaker 10 And if I'm not mistaken, I think I read they carted him off the field. But you don't know the severity of it.
Now,

Speaker 10 you know the severity of it. What was the mood when it happened? What was the mood around the team?

Speaker 11 Around the team, everybody just kind of gasped. I would

Speaker 11 just have to say.

Speaker 11 Immediately said a prayer for him after, you know, he's one of those guys that handle business often on the field and carries himself in such a manner.

Speaker 11 Rashawn Slater, just in the time being being around him, he is nothing

Speaker 11 but being greatness, honestly. He's great at everything he does.

Speaker 11 And, shoot,

Speaker 11 the worst part about it is as a team, as a unit, we're in a next-man up mentality, even though that definitely is going to hurt us, but we got to move on and push ourselves to the next step so we can hopefully win the Super Bowl this year.

Speaker 10 Look, you were there. You've been there for two years, and you've seen Justin Herbert, phenomenally talented, athletic.
But

Speaker 10 people, the criticism that he gets is that big games and winning in the playoffs um what's the biggest misconception that's portrayed about justin uh in the media that you can said straight like it ain't like that

Speaker 11 honestly i have no misconceptions to even address this dude literally had it came into the huddle the other day uh breaking us down he's like honestly i have nothing to say to y'all uh i'm tired of speaking let's just win this damn super bowl like straight like that and the dude is phenomenal i kid you not I've seen him make some crazy throws.

Speaker 11 Yeah. And I'm like, brother, I've never seen somebody like this in my life.
Just the way he carries himself and everything. Yeah.

Speaker 11 Y'all are going to see. Y'all just prepare yourselves.

Speaker 11 I got a question. The fact that you play receiver,

Speaker 11 son, to the greatest receiver of all time. But when it comes to studying the craft, the artistry, when it comes to route running today, who would be your top five receivers in today's game?

Speaker 11 And whose film do you watch and try to steal bits and pieces from them?

Speaker 11 Okay, number one,

Speaker 11 I'm definitely going Julio.

Speaker 11 I watch Julio like crazy. That's a good one.
Yeah, for sure. Just for my archetype and everything, my body.
Right.

Speaker 11 The way he's able to break down, get in and out of routes.

Speaker 11 It's beautiful. Him, Calvin Ridley.
uh ocho of course i watch you big dog

Speaker 11 yeah i watch you

Speaker 11 just so you know it would be like like a 20-pound difference. Wait, how? I'm too, I'm 220 right now, right now.
When you played, oh, when I played, I was like 170, 171. Exactly.

Speaker 11 I was living, I would live, I would live.

Speaker 11 Yeah, I can give you three so far. Um, AJ Brown,

Speaker 11 sure, okay, crazy, and my last one, I would have to go to Brandon Ayuk. Oh,

Speaker 11 that's a good one.

Speaker 11 When it comes to your style of play, are you are you one that enjoys and welcomes contact like a Julio and an AJ Brown? Like if somebody touch me, the play is over. Like

Speaker 11 I'm not getting off. I'm just saying, are you one that can play through contact and is comfortable allowing hands to be put on you, being able to put, you know, pull and tug and do stuff like that?

Speaker 11 Of course, of course. Shoot, contacts my friend.
Okay. I feel like I'm bigger in the weight room.

Speaker 11 I bench more. I do all that type of stuff.
I prefer myself a little bit differently. So when I go against certain corners, yeah, that's my friend.
But of course, no receiver like getting touched now.

Speaker 10 Right.

Speaker 11 No, no, no, no. And for me, that was my weakness.
I know what my weaknesses were. Contested catches, don't do it.

Speaker 11 I'm going to lose every time, which is why I had no choice but to create the type of separation I did when I played because I suck at contested catches. 50-50 balls, dude, I can't do it.

Speaker 11 I suck at 50-50 balls. Now, everything else, I'm good at, but my coaches understanding my weaknesses never put me in those positions to when I would get exposed.
Yes, sir. That's dope.

Speaker 11 That's dope to hear, though. That's dope.

Speaker 10 That's dope. Brendan, did you find, obviously,

Speaker 10 Jerry being your dad, and everybody knows what he means and to the, meant to the league and how great he was. Did he put pressure on you? Or

Speaker 10 did you just want to play football and just happen to gravitate towards that position?

Speaker 11 Well, to be honest, off rip,

Speaker 11 me and my pops didn't have the best relationship growing up. Okay.
So football was my gateway. It was my out.
And that and Christ himself.

Speaker 11 Man, like the way I just went ahead and developed into the game and

Speaker 11 took it as just my, it was my escape from reality. And even though, yes, I'm playing the same position, everything, it felt as though.
I was getting closer to him by playing the game of football.

Speaker 11 And then I went ahead and put so much work into my craft and studying the game and everything like that, that all i wanted to do was get better get better get better and hopefully i don't know if there is one be the first father son duo in the in the uh hall of fame just like oh man

Speaker 11 hopefully

Speaker 10 um

Speaker 10 usc

Speaker 11 big 10 you like the chances this year come on now come on man

Speaker 11 come on well hey we we bleeding that come on fight on big dog man y'all ain't do too much fighting on though brendan last couple of years, y'all ain't been fighting on.

Speaker 10 Y'all been trying to fight him off.

Speaker 11 One more year.

Speaker 11 You know, they always knock you when you're down, man. It's okay.
It's okay. You should.

Speaker 11 Yeah, I got it. Hey, you know, you know what? I want to ask about Lad McConkey.

Speaker 11 Is Lad, I call him Ladarius. I'm at him.
I'm called Ladarius McConkey.

Speaker 11 Is he as good as advertised based based on what we see on Sundays?

Speaker 11 He's better. He's better.
The things that y'all see on Sundays are just a glimpse of his greatness and what he has put into the game. I saw this dude go over here.

Speaker 11 Justin threw a beautiful ball on just a, you know, a deep cross. Right.
And he did a late hands between two defenders, and it was nasty, man.

Speaker 11 From his route running, his technique, how he carries himself each and every day. Yeah, you guys only saw a glimpse.

Speaker 10 He's special. Well, brendan thanks for stopping by giving us a few moments of your time best of luck stay healthy hey remember

Speaker 11 31 others are watching 31 others are watching hey hey don't forget man come come holler at your boy man at that uh receiver wide receiver uh workshop next year man

Speaker 11 man i'm trying to get him working sooner than that i'm sending you some tape over soon come on come on hey send it to me i listen i've had a lot of a lot of players i i don't want to say no name because i got in trouble last year devontae adams sent me some one-on-one film and I was so excited.

Speaker 11 I posted

Speaker 11 in trouble. Oh, shoot!

Speaker 11 Like, why are you posing? But, man, send me some stuff, man.

Speaker 11 I got you. I got you.
All right.

Speaker 10 Best of luck, man. Stay healthy.

Speaker 11 Thank you.

Speaker 10 All right, bro. Appreciate you.

Speaker 11 Appreciate it.

Speaker 10 Oh, Joe. Roman Doomsday has an incredibly high ceiling for Caleb Williams.
ESPN Jeremy Fowler reported

Speaker 10 Roma Doomsday told me Caleb Williams can literally be the best quarterback in the NFL. Ojo,

Speaker 10 can you see Caleb making that big of a jump?

Speaker 11 Absolutely. I can see him making that big of a jump simply because of the person that's calling the plays.

Speaker 11 I can see him making that kind of jump simply because of the person that's calling the plays. Ben Johnson is phenomenal.
If you see what he's able to do with Garrett, with Jerry Goff, right?

Speaker 11 the tools that Jerry Goff had at his disposal. How can I get the best version of Jerry Goff?

Speaker 11 You understand what he has around him and how to put the players in position to their strengths, and you go from there.

Speaker 11 He can do the same thing with Caleb Williams because Caleb Williams has all the tools. We saw the magic at USC.

Speaker 11 Glimpse of what he can do with the Bears last year.

Speaker 11 Now, you got DJ Moore. You got a Dunze.
You got Komet. Did I say that right?

Speaker 10 Cole Komet.

Speaker 11 You got Komet.

Speaker 11 Man,

Speaker 11 they're going to be all right. He knows knows what Caleb is great at.
He knows his strengths. He understands that.

Speaker 11 And you just make the play calls with the creativity that he adds to the offense.

Speaker 11 That's why Rome was able to say what he did about Caleb being one of the best in the game today.

Speaker 10 Packers offensive coordinator Adam Stenovich was asked last week if he'd like Jordan Love to run a little bit more. Absolutely, Stenovich said bluntly.

Speaker 10 I think it's a huge weapon, and Jordan has that ability to make some big plays down the field. We encourage that for sure.
Loved ranked 30th in quarterback rushing attempts.

Speaker 10 Today, Love said he's going to run more this season. I think every game that there's a couple of options or instances where I could have took off and run.

Speaker 10 You look back and you're like, man, I could have took off and run.

Speaker 10 Excuse me, a little bit is just understanding what the defense is doing, what coverage we're getting, how the D-line might be playing, some of those games where they start twisting and doing different things understanding where holes in the pocket might be and have the opportunity to step up and escape and then just understanding that maybe sometimes maybe not go back to the check down right now maybe take an extra second to find a lane get out there and create an opportunity with your legs so i think half and half with the injury and then some understanding of where those times are to take off and use your legs

Speaker 11 i like it it's cool but there's a reason why he was 30 in the nfl and rushing huh there was a reason have you seen that effing's receiving core over there reed and hicks and watson and and um hold on hold on

Speaker 11 now now golden i mean man listen there's really no reason to run because there's so many viable options when you're throwing the goddamn ball there's a reason he was 30th and rushing last year can he do it in certain situations being that he's a dual threat he can run he's not the slowest you know slowest quarterback in the league Yes, he can do it when he needs be.

Speaker 11 He's a dual threat in a sense. But when you have that kind of weaponry around you, there's no need to have to run you don't

Speaker 11 they got a goddamn go by one team an underrated young receiving core

Speaker 11 sheet run for run for what when you got all that

Speaker 10 but you want you know keep them honest because you know oh you're i'll set my defense if i know you're not gonna run i'll play certain coverages

Speaker 10 I want I want every I want you to I want you to work you have to worry about that you see what happened when Patrick Mahomes started taking off oh yeah yeah, yeah.

Speaker 10 Now they couldn't defense him anymore. Now he'll take, he don't want to run.

Speaker 10 But I tell you what, he'll jump through the crack on you.

Speaker 11 You're right.

Speaker 10 Just have that ability. Look, we're not asking you to be Lamar.
You don't need to be Lamar. You don't need to be Josh Allen.
You don't need to be Jalen Hurts. But there are times, there are times.

Speaker 10 Who?

Speaker 11 Just sprinkle it in a little bit, sprinkle it in there.

Speaker 11 A little parsley. Little parsley.

Speaker 10 That is all you have to do. Just enough to have, so the defensive coordinator, hey, we need to close that off.

Speaker 10 Well, if I'm thinking about closing that off, I'm not this thing pinning my ears back, thinking about getting to the quarterback. Because now I have to rush with a little bit more respect.

Speaker 11 Yeah.

Speaker 10 Because you want those D-liminers, because if they're respected, they come get you.

Speaker 11 Hey, ears pinned back.

Speaker 10 See, you just can't just, you just can't willy-nilly just go back there. Oh, I'm going to knock Lamar's head off.
Okay.

Speaker 11 All right.

Speaker 10 Oh, oh, I'm going to get, oh, I'm going to tear josh up okay

Speaker 10 you mess around and run past him if you want to and he jump out the window on you you'll be mad you won't catch him to like 10 15 yards down the field exactly

Speaker 10 so i think that's that's a situation that's what he said he said look i just got to understand the coverage what they're doing okay and they twist somebody vacate and our offensive line do a great job of picking it up and pushing somebody past there's an escape hatch i might as well take it yeah sure it might come open, but let me go and get this easy 10 right now.

Speaker 10 We come back to it.

Speaker 10 Yeah. Now, because the coach is going to tell him, son, you can't do that.
You can't get out your lane.

Speaker 10 You can't get pushed. You can't get washed that far down.
You can't get that far upfield. Now he's thinking about a whole lot of other things as opposed to just coming to get me.

Speaker 11 Right.

Speaker 10 He who hesitate is beat. Every time.
Whether you play offense or defense.

Speaker 10 As an offensive player i'm trying to make the defense hesitate as a defensive player i'm trying to make the offensive player hesitate

Speaker 10 well

Speaker 10 if i can just go out there with no hesitation ojo woo yeah

Speaker 11 right listen he'll he'll have the he'll have those opportunities if i'm not mistaken they go from open a lot i mean talk about opening they run the spread a lot he's in the gun a lot uh obviously he is on the center if i if i had the statistics or the percentage in which they go from the gun i think it's more than being under center i think on third would be

Speaker 11 probably most of the times where he would be able to be a dual threat.

Speaker 10 Yeah, for sure, yeah.

Speaker 11 The first thing you can do is they're gonna play man unless they want to blitz him,

Speaker 11 they're gonna play man, and everybody's gonna have a back turn, and you'll be able to use your legs.

Speaker 11 And that would be advantageous for him in adding that arsenal of being a dual threat and just running a little bit more.

Speaker 10 And plus, they don't expect it.

Speaker 10 I mean,

Speaker 10 on third down, third, like I gotta play, I got, I can't, I just can't arbitrarily willy-nilly because Lamar is going to get that.

Speaker 10 Josh Allen is going to get that. Jalen Hurd is going to get that.
They're not looking at Jordan Love as

Speaker 10 one of those dual threat quarterbacks. So he has the element of surprise.
Yeah.

Speaker 11 You know who has it too, Armin?

Speaker 11 Speaking of quarterbacks, that it's not even a surprise anymore, especially off what he did last year, Jayden Dangles.

Speaker 10 Yeah.

Speaker 10 But see, here's the thing. Ocho.

Speaker 10 Ocho, the man won the Heisman trophy, you know, he got wheels, yeah, he ain't got no element of surprise,

Speaker 10 he ain't got no element of surprise, right? You trying to make him beat you from the pocket,

Speaker 10 and then you say, you know what, if he beat me from the pocket, oh Joe, he can run for 100 yards.

Speaker 10 Yeah, I mean, it's like, you know, guys like Lamar and guys like Josh Allen, they can run for 100 yards.

Speaker 10 Jaden Daniels can run for 100 yards. You just can't just like, oh, he, yeah, he can beat you with his legs.

Speaker 10 The thing is, is like

Speaker 10 when Brady used to hand the ball off on third and one, you clap.

Speaker 10 I'd rather the running back had the ball than Tom Brady. I don't give a damn who the running back is.

Speaker 11 Right.

Speaker 10 That's Tom Brady. Peyton Manning hand the ball off, like, thank you, Jesus.

Speaker 10 So, Jayden Daniel with the ball up on his arm, no, I'd rather you throw it.

Speaker 11 Right.

Speaker 10 Who's going to tackle it in the open field, Ocho?

Speaker 10 Good luck getting him down

Speaker 10 now. He done he done broke the line of scrimmage,

Speaker 10 and you think the first guy to see him is gonna get him down?

Speaker 11 No, because it's always gonna be someone on the second level, and they are not good in open space.

Speaker 10 Yeah,

Speaker 10 they're gonna be second-level try to hope I got an angle so I can push him out of bounds.

Speaker 10 I don't want to be in the middle of the field with him, I don't want to be between the numbers with him.

Speaker 10 And he got a two, he got a two-way go.

Speaker 11 I'm good.

Speaker 11 You're right.

Speaker 10 I'm good. Man,

Speaker 11 when them Broncos played, that's what I want to know. When y'all play?

Speaker 10 All I know, we made a playout last year.

Speaker 11 Y'all, who?

Speaker 10 Playoffs. I mean, I think

Speaker 10 something you wouldn't know nothing about last year.

Speaker 11 Y'all made the playoff last year, right? But didn't you end up in the same play you ended up in Cancun with us just a week later, right?

Speaker 10 We got an extra check. We made more money than y'all did.

Speaker 10 You know, a little playoff check.

Speaker 10 Hey, Ocho, that'll keep you for about a month or two. Yeah.
But playoff check, they hit.

Speaker 11 Yeah, they nice. They nice.
So hold on. Are you saying, are you suggesting?

Speaker 11 Are you suggesting based off what you saw, the small sample size that you saw from my Bengals tonight, you really think that the Broncos are going to be better than us offensively?

Speaker 10 Oh, Ocho. I saw, what about you think based off that sample size I saw your defense? Y'all going to be better defensively?

Speaker 11 I mean, from based on what I saw, what I saw tonight, we could put up 40 a game. Huh?

Speaker 11 I think we can put up 40 a game based on what I...

Speaker 10 I could give up 43.

Speaker 10 Let's see how y'all. I saw you put up.
I saw Joe Burrow throw for 400 and lose. I saw him throw for 370 and lose.
I saw you score 38 and give up 41. I saw you

Speaker 10 score 34 and give up 35. So what you talking about? So what you saying?

Speaker 11 You know, it's a new year, right? You talk about what we did last year.

Speaker 10 You know what I'm saying? It's still the same.

Speaker 10 Okay, tell me the improvements that you made defensively your best defensive player has yet to get on the field

Speaker 11 oh he he'll be there he'll he'll be he'll be there

Speaker 11 he'll be there but we're gonna be better than y'all i can tell i can listen i can tell you that right now and i hope i hope when the broncos do play i hope both nix and the offense i hope they get out there for for a full quarter too i hope they do

Speaker 10 Don't worry about what we do. See, there you go.
You worry about us.

Speaker 11 I'm just, I'm listening. I'm just, I'm just, we just talking football.
That's all.

Speaker 10 Yeah.

Speaker 11 That's it.

Speaker 10 All I know is that our defense is better than y'all's.

Speaker 11 Oh, yeah. Okay.
Now, I can give you that. Now, listen, I can give you that.

Speaker 11 I'm a man. I can be a man.
I can be real about myself and live in reality. Your defense is better than ours.
It is.

Speaker 10 That ain't saying much.

Speaker 10 That's like saying water wet.

Speaker 11 That's not necessary.

Speaker 11 That's not necessary. There's no need to take a shot at my team like that.

Speaker 10 That's okay. I ain't taking a shot at your team.
I'm just telling the truth. I mean, I'm saying the Broncos' defense is better than the Bengals.

Speaker 10 Like, okay, Shannon, like, wow, you really went on the limb on that one.

Speaker 11 Okay, but our offense is 20 times better than yours.

Speaker 10 I wouldn't go that far, but your offense is better. Yes, your quarterback is better than ours.
Y'all receivers are better than ours. Offensive line,

Speaker 10 I don't know.

Speaker 11 You can go either way. You can go either way.
Yeah, but.

Speaker 10 Do we play?

Speaker 10 That's why the game was so close last year because it balances out because our defense.

Speaker 10 And that was a rookie. Bo Nick's not going to make those mistakes that he made last year.

Speaker 11 Okay.

Speaker 11 Okay. We don't play y'all this year, I'm assuming, right? No?

Speaker 10 I think we do.

Speaker 11 Again?

Speaker 10 I think so.

Speaker 11 You want to put something on that game or no?

Speaker 10 No.

Speaker 10 Until you put $5,900 in my pocket, I don't want to bet you no more. As a matter of fact, I'm about to stop talking to you.

Speaker 10 i'm coming real close hey hey then

Speaker 10 said my daddy coming real close about to talk to you ocho hey hell no

Speaker 11 oh how about it we hey we could honestly matter of fact we can make it really interesting we can really make it really interesting is you could put the dog on the line

Speaker 11 oh thanos yeah put put the dog on if you that confident in your broncos and as confident as I am in my Bengals, I guarantee you we go further in this season, postseason at that, than y'all do.

Speaker 11 Matter of y'all might not even make it. And if you, if,

Speaker 11 if, if, if the Broncos lose, you got to give me Thanos for the rest of the year.

Speaker 10 You going too much.

Speaker 11 He can travel with me. He can travel with me.
I got a bag that he fit right in.

Speaker 11 No.

Speaker 10 He said he don't want to travel.

Speaker 10 My man. My man.
Hey, my man fading fast on me, Ocho. I thought he was.

Speaker 11 What up, twin?

Speaker 10 I know.

Speaker 10 Okay. Hey, let me go put him to bed.

Speaker 11 All right.

Speaker 10 Take it over. You got it.
Hold on.

Speaker 11 Hey, hey, I'm going to get a chat. What am I

Speaker 11 spoken word stuff?

Speaker 10 Oh, Lord, have mercy.

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