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We've got Chargers receiver and

the son of legendary Jerry Rice.

Brendan Rice is joining us a bit later to talk about Rashawn Slater's injury today and the Chargers offense.

But first, Ocho, Anthony Richardson was injured.

Anthony Richardson was injured on the Colts' second drive.

He dislocated a pinky on his throwing hand.

We can't show this because it's NFL property.

Right.

Huh?

Oh, but no, I'm saying the play that happened.

Ocho.

I don't know if you saw the play.

Yeah, somebody blew assignment.

I could have seen it.

She did.

Hey, Unc, tell me that.

The titan went out, right?

Isn't the running back supposed to pick him up and not go to the flat?

Both of them pre-released, Ocho is hot.

Everybody seemed to run the right route, know what it was except him.

Oh, so the ball's going to be a little bit more.

You remember justin fields his rookie year got his helmet taken off yeah because he missed it right the hot read it it's two people seemingly ran hot because think about where the line went the line went that way to the left

yes the tight end hooks up the back runs a flat okay so okay okay okay so i thought

somebody look

i hope I pray it wasn't him.

Because in your third year, it can't happen, Ocho.

You got to be able to see that.

But this is what I thought.

I thought

the tight end went on his route, right?

And I thought the running back was supposed to step up and pick up the end coming up.

Since this is since the line slid to the left, that's what I thought.

The ends coming up, and I thought the back was gonna pick up from where the tight end left.

So I could be wrong.

I hope it wasn't his fault.

We might not ever know,

but there are a lot of people.

Jeff Schwartz says this is day one empty protection installed.

Bummer for Richardson.

He didn't see it.

Kurt Warner, an early preseason example of having pressure plan.

O-line sliding to the left.

Quarterback responsible for the linebacker on the right.

He comes.

OT correctly squeezed for the guy away.

Hot.

AR has to see this and ditch to the running back or the tight end.

Tighten right away.

Chase Daniel.

Day one install.

Damn.

Damn.

When I saw it, I was like,

I show hope

they blew this and not him.

Right.

That's what I said.

Yeah.

Yeah,

you got to be able to see that.

You got to be able to see it.

Obviously, when the quarterback comes to the line, you point to the mic, anything outside of the mic.

If more comes, the line sliding to the left, if more comes and you can block, boom, you got to know you're hot.

You got to be able to see it.

I hope the tight end or the running back blew that.

I really do, Ocho.

I really do.

If anything, it wouldn't be the tight end.

Actually, I'm assuming, maybe.

I'm not sure.

I just wanted to be somebody other than Richardson Smith.

Yeah, yeah, I'm hoping because he's a quarterback.

And that is really day one empty protection because the line goes one way.

So anything that comes off that side.

Right.

Now, I get it.

Now, if you got, if you got, if you slide in the line one way and you're like, okay,

tight end, you hot back,

but but if that's the case, Ocho, why would it tight?

Here's the why.

This is why it makes me think it's Richardson.

Right.

If the tight end thinks the back is going to pick him up, he wouldn't need to be hot.

You're only hot if nobody's coming, if nobody's there to block it.

Okay, see, I didn't even know the tight end turns around and he thinks the back's there.

He's not hot because I got somebody.

It would take two

to make him hot.

One doesn't make you hot because you got a blocker.

Right.

That's what makes me think.

Now I could be wrong, but

it's to actually be played.

Actually, if the quarterback points to the mic, it's two outside of the mic.

That would make you...

No, it would be one guy.

One guy came, Ocho.

Huh?

One guy came.

Right.

If the line is sliding to the left, outside the left.

Line slides to the left.

It would take one.

It takes one.

Okay.

If

why, if the tight end thinks the back is going to take that guy, why would he run a hot route?

I didn't even know he ran a hot.

I thought he went into his route.

So you could be right.

You could be right.

I just saw the play.

He only ran five yards.

I mean, it's a stick,

which will be the equivalent of a hot route.

Maybe it's a built-in hot.

Right.

Built-in side adjust.

But my thing is, is that,

and that's what made me think, line goes here.

Okay, if two come, yeah, we're hot.

But only one came.

So if the back was supposed to pick him up, the tight end wouldn't run hot.

But like I said, the back could have blown his sabbath.

The black, the back, theoretically, Ocho, that could have been his responsibility.

Right, right.

I'm afraid we won't ever know because nobody's going to throw nobody under the bus.

Listen, even though nobody's going to throw anybody under the bus, now, you know, you're going to have analysts, you're going to have pundits that are going to replay this tomorrow on TV.

on all football platforms, and they're going to talk about it on who's at fault.

Yeah.

Now, just based on what I saw, I was thinking, I thought the tight end just went into his route.

And I was thinking maybe the running back is supposed to step up and take on the end, which rarely happens because that's a complete mismatch.

But you do sometimes get mismatches like that, depending on which way the line slides.

Oh, see, what they did is that they kind of ride across buck.

Right.

The tackle squeezed down.

Right.

You take the most dangerous.

You take head up.

You take inside, head up, most dangerous man.

I'm going to turn the farthest guy.

I'm going to let him run the furthest distance.

Right.

Because I know the guy that's in the gap, he has the shortest distance.

I see the guy coming.

He has a shorter distance than the guy that's outside of the tackle that's coming from distance.

So as I'm looking at it,

they brought two.

Man, Ocho.

This ain't the tight.

I don't know if this is the tight end, but all I know is he take like three steps and get his head around.

The back.

Hold on.

That's hot rock.

That's hot rock.

That's hot, huh?

And the back, and the back, and the back goes to the flat.

Look,

I'm hoping that one of those other guys, and I don't mean to put this on them, but this is a horrible look.

If Richardson missed this, Ocho, a third-year guy, and this is day one protection.

This is not a good look.

This is a downright awful, horrible look for a guy that's in his third year and he's supposed to be the guy that's going to take you to where you want to go.

You can't miss that.

No, you can't.

You can't.

And listen, you saw what Chase Daniels tweeted, right?

That is big one install.

Because when you install, you always install the hots for every single play.

Every play, every play

has to install because at any point that they do blitz.

Defensively, they're always at an advantage because

you can only block so many people.

You can only block so many.

The other guy can block and Richardson blocked him with his his chest.

That ain't what you want, though.

You don't want your quarterback to be a blocker because he got the ball, Ocho.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You got the ball.

I mean, you look at the guy in the slot.

He takes three steps and he gets his head around.

You see the back.

The back doesn't even make it.

The back tries to avoid him.

He didn't try to touch him.

Nah, nah.

So he's getting in the flat.

Damn, man.

But here's the thing.

And the thing is, Ocho, he's looking.

So I don't know, man.

I don't know.

This is just a bad look if if he's the one

that goofed this.

I hope not.

I'm hoping it's the latter.

I'm hoping I'm right, you know, for his sake.

Obviously.

Yes, I do too.

Yeah, I have a question.

You would know.

I have no

knowledge of the extent of injuries and how long it takes to recover.

Dislocated finger.

How long are we looking at?

It all depends.

Do they have to, I mean, look, he can't throw without a pinky.

You ever seen somebody throw with three fingers?

I mean, four fingers?

Nah,

pinky's very important.

Yeah, that's the that's the one that

how you gonna hold it

hey man

where is the ac it's freezing in here hold on

is this a this is a bad look chat i i i like i said and and i'm i'm saying this because

As a quarterback, you cannot miss this.

So maybe maybe the slot receiver, which is they said he's a tight end.

I don't know.

That's what

Kurt Warner said.

He's a tight end.

So

I'm going to take Kurt Ward for it.

Maybe that's what they had him listed as, but he was in the up position, Ocho.

So

basically, he's a slot.

He takes three steps.

He turns around.

He gets his head around.

Yeah.

Look at the back.

The back is B-lining for the flat.

So you have two options to go with it.

Get the ball out your hands.

You should go to the back because if you look at it, the safety cheats down.

He takes that guy right now.

So you should go to the flat.

Right away.

Yeah.

Damn.

And then not only do you make the mistake, making the mistake and not seeing the hot, now you hurt.

I could see if it was a sack and okay, look, we get to come back.

You've seen it on film.

Obviously, you're in your third year.

So you should be used to that look.

They're not doing nothing.

Everything is vanilla.

It's the the preseason

that is nothing exotic everything is vanilla so you should be able to see it ahead of time and i i don't i don't know i don't know i'm hoping i'm hoping we're gonna we're gonna know tomorrow though because they're gonna break it down everybody gonna break it down yes

god that's crazy man

And the thing is, Ocho, the injuries, I mean, he's hurt.

He missed 13 games as a rookie.

He missed another four last year due to an injury.

That's 17 games in 34.

So

he's missed half the snaps in his career.

They've 34 games, 17 and 17.

He's missed 17.

So he's missed 50%.

Wait a minute.

So he hasn't had a full season yet?

No.

I remember his shoulder.

Last year, was it last year he dislocated his shoulder?

It was the shoulder that he dislocated as a rookie.

Okay.

And so, but he re-injured it, if I'm not mistaken.

Damn, man.

And this is the year.

This is a make-or-breaker year, especially being in a quarterback competition with Daniel Jones.

Well, hell, Daniel Jones looked no goddamn better.

No disrespect.

Unk, he didn't look no better.

He didn't look too promising.

Oh, this is the quarterback of the future.

Oh, Joe, but you got to realize he was also benched.

Oh, that's yeah, for coming out the game.

Coming out, that's right.

So he's missed more than half.

What's next?

I don't know, man.

He got

to figure this out, Ocho.

Yeah.

Damn.

But I mean, when you take a guy, that's a pro, and everybody said he's a project.

He has phenomenal God, he has gifts.

Yes.

Size,

strength.

He has a nice arm.

He has an unbelievable arm.

Yeah.

Crazy, refined to touch.

But he's a project.

He's a project.

Graham.

And

this is not a good look.

I mean, the first game of the season, the second drive, or yo,

and you injured?

Yeah.

I could imagine, especially as a quarterback, you already know how much.

I might mess up, but I ain't messing up something that's going to get me hurt.

Yeah.

You know how much they have to deal with too.

Yes.

How much is on their plate coming to the line, you know, knowing what everybody's doing, being able to

point out, I mean, oh, it's so much.

Remember when I told you sometimes that I go in the huddle and I know how much Carson has to deal with and I want the ball.

And instead of bothering him or saying something verbally, I'll just tap his hip just to put it in his mind, just to let him know.

And then once I get out there, I still won't say anything, but let him know, listen.

I know you got a lot to go through.

You got your reads to make.

You got to make a call and do your points.

Talk to the offensive line.

Just to let you know I'm there.

Yeah, subconsciously.

That's the middle of the regular season.

This is the first game of preseason.

Yeah.

Ain't nobody running.

Ain't nobody putting anything on tape they want to run.

At all.

This is day one.

Day one.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Obviously, yeah.

And I'm like, damn,

this is all we got?

Yeah.

How about?

Yeah.

Cover one, cover three.

You might get a look at it.

I ain't doing nothing exotic.

At all.

I ain't doing no two-man.

I'm not running.

I ain't clouding it.

I ain't brand new, no coverage.

I ain't doing none of that.

Yeah.

Man, I just, like I said, Ocho, and I hate to put this on the running back or the tight end, but

it would be better if you guys goofed this than him.

Yeah.

Damn, man.

I was looking forward to him competing, you know, for that position.

You're going to miss time.

Yeah.

I mean, they probably went back in it.

And the question is, what's his pain tolerance?

That's a good one.

Well, obviously,

you could take these two, huh?

No,

as a quarterback and throw the ball, that's his throwing hand.

He ain't catching no passes.

He ain't rushing no passer.

He hit a quarterback.

You ever seen a quarterback tape two fingers together on his throwing hand?

Not on a throwing hand, no.

Okay.

There you go.

And you saw his finger, it was sideways.

Yeah, I know.

I've had it.

I did my ring finger like that.

And then I had to tape two of them together.

But I'm catching the ball.

I'm not throwing the ball.

Right.

Yeah.

Damn, man.

Damn.

And his accuracy

is challenged

when five fingers are perfect.

Come on.

I'm just being truthful, Ocho.

And so, I mean, Ocho, man, you know, look, you know, when

things aren't going well, you need to be, you need to be, everything needs to be right.

Your body needs to feel right.

I mean, it's already a challenge.

Right.

Because you know, Ocho, when you injured and you don't have that, you just don't feel like, oh.

Yeah.

Bro, it's hard to get open.

It's hard to cover people.

It's hard to

complete passes.

Now, imagine that you're nicked.

It's just, it's not a good look.

And I hate to belabor it, but like I said, I just hope.

Like I said,

they can break it down.

And Kurt said what he said.

Chase Daniels said what he said.

The other gentleman said what he said.

But it looked like to me the quarterback blew it, but I'm hoping somebody else did.

Right.

Maybe the offensive liner should have held off a little longer.

I got to try to put it on somebody, Ocho.

And he did.

Hey, he gapped it, squeezed it down.

Right.

I'm going to make this guy run the furthest.

I'm going to make him.

It's kind of like on punt protection.

You make the guy that's the furthest away run the furthest to block the punt.

I don't want to give anybody an inside because they're closer to the punter.

Right.

That's tough, man.

That's tough.

That's a that's a that's

you don't want to start the season off like that.

No,

I mean, I know you don't want to get injured, yeah, at all.

That's the last thing you you try to because you're not gonna play a whole lot, Ocho.

You're gonna play 10 snaps, maybe 15 snaps.

Damn, but I get nicked on 10 15 snaps.

That's crazy.

I think we've we've hit that enough, Ocho.

Yeah,

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Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase.

Who?

Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase

made the best of their first preseason game of the season.

Joe Burrow, nine of 10, 123 yards, two touchdowns.

Chase, four catches, 77 yards, a tub.

Look good.

You saw it.

Listen, Joe looked good outside of that errand pass at T.

Higgins.

That was a little high, but that's fine.

That's fine.

Listen,

I will take what I just saw today.

If we can do that next, if we can do that next week as well,

get acclimated to the speed of the game.

Get yourself ready, get in rhythm, because I don't care how much you practice the team going against yourself.

When you play on game day, it is completely different.

Let's be ahead of the curve this time this season.

Okay, we done got our feet wet.

We know what to expect.

We know what it's going to be like.

I understand, Joe Burrow, okay, when I have to process a little bit faster.

Okay, i got to get this ball out a little bit faster i got to anticipate a little bit better

it may be instead of having to do that and find all those things out and try to find that rhythm week one when it's too goddamn late there's no reason we should have lost to the patriots last season week one nope

as bad as they were collectively as a team

We shouldn't have to rely on anybody else towards the end of the season in December, relying on them to lose a game so we can make the playoffs.

That's what happens when you don't take care of your business.

Now you're hoping and wishing somebody else do your job for you.

We won't have that problem this year.

I guarantee you that.

We are 1-11.

1-11.

I mean, you like what you saw, the little bit of time there and that.

You look sharp.

Absolutely.

I just want A.

A.

I don't care.

Look, I want to score, but I want us to be sharp.

I don't want penalties.

I don't want mistakes.

I want us to go in in there hey we got 10 plays we got 15 plays i want those plays to be crisp

clean and they were they were crisp they were crisp if i'm not mistaken we did get down to the goal line had uh it was it was under it was the tripping it was it was it was a low it was a low block but he kind of fell but he put the ref in a position where the ref had no choice but to call it because uh mems was engaged with the dn or with the with the tackle actually oh you caught so they called a chop block he called a chop block but actually the the guard fell and he went low.

And it looked like to put the ref in a bad position.

He didn't have a choice with the call.

We still scored on that possession.

Right.

Offensively look good.

But offense isn't the problem.

Offense is the problem.

We know we can score.

We know we can put up points.

Yeah.

The problem is on the defensive side of the ball.

Tanner McKee looked good, too.

Yeah, if we score 35, can we keep the other team from scoring 36 and 37?

That's the

y'all.

Y'all scored.

Y'all scored 14, gave up seven, and in the second quarter, you gave up 17 more.

Tanner McKee McKee with 20 of 25, 252 and two touchdowns.

Hey, Tanner McKee,

Tanner McKee, I heard you.

I heard the Grice about your offensive Madden rating.

You look good tonight.

You look very good tonight.

Now

Goodwill backups ain't complaining about no ratings.

No, hey, Uncle, they complained about the rating.

If you look at my timeline, you probably don't look at my timeline, but chat, if you look at my timeline, you will see everyone talking about McKinney performing tonight and asking me to raise his rating based on what he's done in the preseason.

And

he said in the clip in practice, oh, that's what my rating is.

Okay, well, watch what I do on game day.

And he went out there and actually showed up.

He literally went out there and showed out tonight.

It looked good.

But I have a question.

Do you credit what he did today against twos and threes and fours and other people trying to make the team as a reason to raise the rating?

I'm just curious.

No, because guess what?

He's playing with twos and threes and fours, and he's going against twos and threes and fours.

Okay.

So that doesn't.

I mean, if Lane Johnson wasn't in there, if My Lott wasn't in there, if Jergenson wasn't in there, if Dixon wasn't in there, if AJ Bryan and Devontae and Saquon, so what are we talking about here?

Did they play tonight?

Let me click on this and see what they got going on.

That's a good question.

That's a good question.

Because I see all the people tweet me and I didn't know how to answer it.

Is a player really, is it really justifiable

to raise someone's rating based on what they do in the preseason?

No.

I don't see none of the names that I, that I, I don't see A.J.

Brown.

I don't see Devontae.

I don't see Saquon.

I don't see Jalen Hurts.

Right.

So he's going against.

He looks like he's going against the competition that

did your starters play?

Pull up.

Hold on.

Ocho.

Yeah.

You do realize your defensive starters played, right?

Yeah, they played the first two series.

Are you happy with that?

Oh, absolutely not.

Oh, okay.

I was just checking.

Absolutely not.

No.

Oh,

man.

McKee with 20-25 against your starters?

I don't know about

all that.

Damn.

Don't do that.

Don't do that.

Don't do that.

Don't do that.

Don't do that.

I mean, he did get a touchdown in the field goal against your starters.

He got 10 points.

That ain't Jalen Hurts.

That's not Devontae.

That's not AJ.

And that's not that massive, that mammoth offensive line.

Yeah.

Are we sure?

Are we sure it was our starters that were in once McKean?

Is it McKean?

I don't want to butcher his last last name, McKean, right?

McKee.

Oh, McKee.

Yeah, I don't know.

I didn't really pay attention to what we did defensively, who is in defensively.

I just was more concerned in making sure we came out offensively, explosive, clean, and we were just at those first two series.

Look,

let's not make a mountain out of a molehill.

It's the preseason.

The preseason is to get an opportunity for your guys to go and bang on somebody, hit somebody that's not their teammate.

Pause, pause, pause, pause.

Pause, come on.

Tighten up, man, but go ahead.

It's an opportunity for you to tackle, block

someone that's not in your uniform.

Yes, sir.

That's not in your locker room, that you're not going to go sit in the dining hall and sit next to and key, key, key with.

This is your opportunity to do that, like what you're going to do in an actual game in the regular season.

So this is the first chance.

So

you want to see how your guys handle that because they haven't done this before.

Your rookies and a lot of some of your first-year players had never done this before in a meaningful situation like this, Ocho.

So I want to see how they handle it.

College is one thing.

NFL is something entirely different.

So I want to see, did they have, how did they handle the moment?

Completely different.

i think i think for the most part based on what i saw

defensively obviously there are things that need to be fixed you get back you you get back tomorrow what and watch for him and see some things you need to correct you're playing one of the better teams one of the better well-coached teams at that which is why i think the second and third stringers for the eagles looked as good as they did uh against our defense and you got to tighten it up As far as stuff that there's to build onto, offensively, you continue to build.

You

continue to build on what we did tonight.

Now, come the second game.

I don't know who we played the second game in the preseason, but I'm hoping the starters again, once again, Joe and Chase and T and Zach.

Two series, get three.

Yeah, bingo.

Get three series, you know,

if you can.

Then the third game, everybody shut it down.

Yeah.

Everybody shut it down and get ready for week one.

Yeah.

I agree.

I agree.

I agree with that approach.

The thing is, Ocho, the reason why I don't want to do anything complex, I want to be simple, because I want my guys to play fast.

I don't want to thinking.

Bro,

this is as simple as you're going to get.

This is steamed rice.

This is broccoli.

This is grilled chicken.

That's what this is.

This is no seasoning.

This is nothing special.

This is no added time, no extra anything.

I just want you guys to play fast.

This is what we do.

We're going to call defenses that will allow you to play fast.

We're going to call an offense that's going to allow you to to play fast.

I want to see you play fast.

Yeah.

There'll be a time that, okay, we're going to add a little bit more now, Ocho.

We're going to add a little bit, you know, you want a little season on this thing.

I'm going to give you a little seasoning.

Yeah.

Let's get

some.

Yeah.

Now, the third game, your starters are not going to play.

Okay, guys.

See, I mean, I like, because me, Ocho, I like that third game because we played four games.

I like the third game because we treated it like a regular season game.

And you come out at the half what you do because you come out at the half you go right back in there hey offense you up

okay defense offense be ready defense you up first yeah to get you in the mood of coming out of the game coming out at halftime and having to go back into the game yeah

every everything that's it whatever we do in the preseason no choice all it's doing is preparing us for the regular season it's giving us a dress rehearsal for the regular season you're gonna run you're gonna run packages we're gonna run a we want to look at you short yardage.

We want to look at our 12 personnel.

We want to look at our 11 personnel.

We want to look at our empty package.

We want to look at our jumbo package.

We want to look at goal line.

We want to look at a lot of different things.

And so we're going to give you an opportunity.

And the three games that you're going to play, we want to try to put you through as many situations that's going to come up in the regular season as we possibly can.

Right.

Sometimes we just want to get it on film, Mocho.

We just want to get it on film.

Nothing major, but I just want to see what it looks like.

Yeah.

And you know what's funny?

You know what I also like about the preseason?

It's football in its simplest form, in its purest form, where you line up and it's just smash mouth football.

Yep.

No, like you said, no seasoning, no creativity.

We're not scheming for the Eagles.

The Eagles aren't.

We're just lining up and playing football.

Can you get out there, make the blocks you need to make?

Can you

stop the receivers?

Can the receivers get open?

It's just normal football.

Can you do that at a high level and consistently?

That's all I want to see.

Ocho, Trevor Lawrence says he wants Travis Hunter to play more offense.

He says, selfishly, yeah, I definitely want him on offense more.

I told him, do you want to see, do you want to come catch touchdowns or do you want to maybe break up a pass or two a game?

That's the decision you've got to make.

Of course, as a quarterback, I hope he plays more offense.

Travis was asked, how difficult has it been to work work both sides of the ball?

It's not hard at all, if I'm being honest.

The first off day that we had, I came back and did both sides, and that's the thing that

got to me.

After that, I've been good.

Trav will play both sides in Jacksonville's preseason game against the Steelers.

That won't answer Devontae's whether Doc playing at a high level.

Because, look, y'all, like I said, He gonna have basic defense

when he's playing the corner.

He's gonna have basic plays on offense.

But look,

until we get to the regular season, Ocho.

Right.

And until he has to play both sides, until he plays both sides of the ball, we're going to be watching the level at which he plays.

That's what we're concerned.

I think you and I, and a lot of people are

agreeance.

Yeah, he can play both sides.

Yeah.

But what's the level at which he's going to play at?

Because football is about levels.

Especially when you're the number two in the pick in the draft.

Yeah, absolutely.

You know what I like, though?

What you like?

His confidence, huh?

The fact that he believes he can do it.

That's where everything starts with in the beginning anyway.

The belief that I can do something, having the confidence that I can do it and putting the work in to be able to do it.

And then not only does he have the goddamn confidence,

he also has a skill set.

Yes, he has the goddamn skills.

He has the instincts to be able to pull it off on both sides of the ball.

Now,

you get a small sample size of that.

Now, you've done it in practice.

Doing it in practice is one thing.

Hell, you know what's coming half the time.

You know what I'm saying?

They know what you're doing.

But how are you going to look in the preseason game?

You get a small sample size.

You're not scheming for anybody.

You have joint practices.

But again, on game day, chat, I don't know how to explain it to you.

It's just different.

It's just different.

There have been some times in practice, I feel like I'm running fast as hell.

And I get in the game and I'm moving, but it feels like I'm running in the sand.

But I'm not.

It just feels like I'm heavy.

It just feels, but you know, and I go back and I watch it and I go come to the side of As Hugh.

I say, Hugh,

I don't know what's wrong, but it feels like I'm running slow.

And he would look at me like, nah, it's not like, it's not that.

You just don't feel like you're doing practice because it's a game.

The adrenaline, everything's moving.

You know, you're playing fast.

Okay, you sure?

Okay, yeah, I'm good.

But it's different.

So I'm excited to see not how he doesn't practice.

Yeah, that's one thing.

When do they play?

When do the Jaguars play?

Probably

a Saturday.

Saturday.

Saturday.

Okay.

Hey, if they play, you know, I might go.

Please tell me it's in Jacksonville.

I might shoot down to the game.

Where's the game, Ash?

Please, please say it's in Jacksonville.

It's in Jacksonville.

Say less.

Now I got something to do.

I got got something to do.

I could watch that right up and close in person.

Okay, bet.

Hey, I'm excited, man.

That's going to be nice.

Yeah.

But it's going to be, he's going to have to be locked in.

Yes.

For the entirety of the game.

Because, you know, quarterback, I'm only locked in when I'm, you know.

Because guess what, though, y'all?

I ain't worried about what the defense is doing.

I ain't paying, I'm not even paying attention to the defense.

Right.

I got my responsibilities.

He's never in a situation where he doesn't have responsibility.

I think you're going to be all right, though.

I think I'm going to be all right.

I can't,

I'm so excited.

It's like, I'm almost like a kid the night before Christmas.

Yeah.

The excitement that football is here.

That is

happy.

I'm definitely here.

But then knowing, okay, we got a dynamic player.

an individual where everyone's doubting what he can do.

You know?

No, no, no, no, no.

They're not what he can can do, they're doubting he can do it at the level in which he did it.

Yeah,

so no, they know he could do it.

So, that's that's the part that makes me excited.

That that has me excited.

Let's see if he can.

Let's see if he can.

It's no different than the Canelo and goddamn Bud fight that's coming up, huh?

Again, got me feeling like a little kid at Christmas.

We understand how great Canelo is.

We understand, Bud is going up two-way classes against someone who is a slugger,

heavy hitter.

How's it going to play out?

Boy, what's up, boy?

Man, listen, man.

If I had your hands, I'd cut mine off.

Boy, that's about it.

All right, without any further ado, he was a former seventh-round draft pick out of USC.

Played two seasons at USC, played two seasons at Colorado.

The son of legendary, the all-time great, the GOAT receiver, Jerry Rice.

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I'm good, Shay.

How are you?

Bro, I'm good, man.

Thanks for coming on, bro.

I appreciate you having it.

Most definitely.

Also, congratulations, you and your brother, both in the Hall of Fame, man.

That's huge.

Appreciate that, man.

Appreciate that.

Earlier this week, the quote was: Rice is coming off his best practice in the Chargers uniform Sunday.

He caught two touchdowns at 11-0-11.

Lance attempted another fade to Rice.

Rice jumped over the corner, Leonard, and made a contested catch for a touchdown.

You admit that you understand that i'm in a battle i mean there ain't a whole lot of receive response available uh it might only be one and it might be two or three guys vying for that one spot what has what has been your mindset coming into camp and what's been your mindset once you got into camp

honestly i've chased competition my whole life so being in the battle it never it's never something new to me especially dealing with like there's always adversity there's always another thing that's coming upon you and it's just how you go ahead and tackle it each and every day

hey hey um i i got a question for you young boy

the pressures of having to live up to the legacy of your father how have you been able to deal with that obviously having a father that is known as one of the greatest and the pressures of you most of the time people expecting you to be and follow in his footsteps and be just as great as he is has it been any type of pressure on you to kind of get out of the shadows of dad and create your own

way in a sense?

Man, pressure is a privilege.

Yeah.

Oh, that's a pressure.

I mean, look at your son.

I got to write that down.

Hold on, hold on.

I got to write that down.

He didn't get good.

Oh, shoot.

Hold on.

I'm going to put that in my notepad.

Say it again.

What was that?

What you said?

Pressure is a privilege.

Yeah, I got the last name.

You You know, shoot, I dealt with it my whole life.

All I felt was pressure.

All I dealt with was people commenting.

And, you know, that's what it is when you're in the spotlight.

Especially what my dad did.

He was super humble about how he approached certain things, put the work in each and every day.

You got to respect that, but I'm my own person as well.

Well, let me ask you this.

If you could have a conversation with Shadur, because we understand that his father is Coach Prime.

And there's always, even though he didn't, see, the thing with you, the pressure is because you played the same position as your dad.

Shador didn't play the same position as his dad.

But what advice would you give him?

Honestly, I have no advice to give him.

Shador got his head on straight.

He knows how to go ahead and be that,

I would have to say, that public figure in the media and how to go ahead and handle certain things.

The dude is awesome.

The dude has been terrific ever since he was at Jackson State to Colorado.

Man, and how he carries himself and how that whole family is just structured, it's awesome to see.

The news came out, I think it was official yesterday, that Keenan Allen returned.

He spent

all but one year there.

He left last year, went to the Bears, had a phenomenal season.

Now he's back.

And, you know, like, damn.

They did bring him back for a reason.

I mean, ain't no sentimentality here.

Hey, they feel he can still play.

But you understand.

i'm sure your dad has told you that you know he got to where he got because of hard work discipline and dedication and so you expect that like i'm gonna come in i'm competing for a job i understand that my last name people are not gonna keep me on the team because of my last name because he's not out here catching passes

honestly yeah man like keenan already has just shown that he's that leader in the group off real you know he's an old head I'm giving him a little crap talking and everything.

You know, both of y'all old heads too.

Shoot.

But just the way I've seen him go ahead and position himself and he's not coming in demanding anything of everybody.

He's coming in putting in the work just like us.

And I'm just watching his craft and the way he works and stuff like that.

And it's something crazy, something that I haven't seen in like my whole career, my whole life, anything.

Even though, yes, my dad, cool, I wasn't, I wasn't of age yet.

But like just seeing that and see who he is just goes ahead and drives me to put myself in a position, handle myself in a correct role, put that work ethic in each and every day and let everything

just let the dominoes fall.

Yeah.

One thing about it, when you put the work in, work in, and this is just not.

This is life in general.

No matter what people do, whether it be football, whether it be soccer, whether it be in the corporate world, when you put the work in, the fruits of your labor, they always rise to the top.

You always get paid dividends for the work you put in.

And obviously,

we know you put in all the work every time you step on that field in practice, whether it be the preseason, that's part of your resume.

Yes, sir.

That's your resume.

So when the opportunities do present themselves for you in LA, all you have to do is make the play.

That's all it comes down to.

Can we count on Brother Rice to make the play when his number is called?

Whether we call your number five times, whether you call your number one time, can you make that play?

And once you take care of that part of

your end of the bargain, there's nothing else you can say.

May the chips fall where they may.

Brendan, every time you step on the field, just remember you're auditioning for 31 other teams.

The Chargers are not the only ones that pay players.

There are 31 other teams.

That film,

that's your

tape is your resume.

Yes, sir.

And so you just make sure that every time you step on that field, you make sure you update that resume.

They say you're supposed to update your resume now every six months.

But in sports, you get an opportunity to update it every day, every other day, once a week.

You make sure that when you step on that field,

you putting that resume out there for 31 other teams.

Hey, I'm the charges.

Yeah,

you got first crack at this.

I'm giving you a first opportunity to buy this

but if you don't yes sir

yes sir that's that's how that's how you have to approach it every

even when you're year two when you're in year three when you're in year four it does not matter

because all i want is if somebody gets tired of me i want somebody else to want me

say say that again when somebody what i got i gotta put it in my notes because they ain't gotta yeah but you got oh ocho you know how it is when someone doesn't want you you want someone else to want you

oh my god

oh cho yeah

i like it i like it hey brandon the big news out of training camp today

Rashawn Slater signed a massive contract, offensive lineman, ruptured his patella tendon.

Wow.

What was the mood of practice?

I mean, because obviously you don't know the severity of it.

You just know he goes down.

He's grimacing in pain.

And if I'm not mistaken, I think I read they carted him off the field.

But you don't know the severity of it.

Now

you know the severity of it.

What was the mood when it happened?

What was the mood around the team?

Around the team, everybody just kind of gasped.

I would

just have to say.

Immediately said a prayer for him after, you know, he's one of those guys that handle business often on the field and carries himself in such a manner um

rashaun slater just in the time being being around him he is nothing

but being greatness honestly he he's great at everything he does and

shoot though The worst part about it is as a team, as a unit, we're in the next man up mentality, even though that definitely is going to hurt us, but we got to move on and push ourselves to the next step so we can hopefully win the Super Bowl this year.

Look, you were there.

You've been there for two years, and you've seen Justin Herbert phenomenally talented, athletic.

But

people, the criticism that he gets is that big games and winning in the playoffs.

What's the biggest misconception that's portrayed about Justin in the media that you can set straight, like, it ain't like that?

Honestly, I have no misconceptions to even address.

This dude literally had it, came into the huddle the other day, breaking us down.

He's like, honestly, I have nothing to say to y'all.

I'm tired of speaking.

Let's just win this damn Super Bowl, like straight like that.

And the dude is phenomenal.

I kid you not.

I've seen him make some crazy throws.

And I'm like, brother, I've never seen somebody like this in my life.

Just the way he carries himself and everything.

Yeah, y'all going to see.

Just prepare yourselves.

Hey, I got a question.

The fact that you play receiver,

son to to the greatest receiver of all time.

But when it comes to studying the craft, the artistry, when it comes to route running today, who would be your top five receivers in today's game?

And whose film do you watch and try to steal bits and pieces from them?

Okay, number one.

I'm definitely going to Julio.

I watch Julio like crazy.

That's a good one.

Yeah, for sure.

Just for my archetype and everything, my body.

Right.

The way he's able to break down, get in and out of routes.

It's beautiful.

Him, Calvin Ridley, Ocho.

Of course, I watch you, big dog.

Yeah, I watch you.

Just so you know, we'd be like a 20-pound difference.

Wait,

I'm 220 right now.

Right now.

When you played.

When I played, I was like 170, 170 win.

Exactly.

I was living.

I was living.

I was living.

Yeah, I can give you three so far.

AJ Brown.

Oh, sure.

Okay.

Crazy.

And my last one, I would have to go to Brandon Ayuk.

Ooh, that's a good one.

When it comes to your style of play, are you one that enjoys and welcomes contact like a Julio and an AJ Brown?

Like, if somebody touch me, the play is over.

Like,

I'm not getting off.

I'm just saying, are you one that can play through contact and is comfortable allowing hands to be put on you, being able to put, you know, pull and tug and do stuff like that.

Of course, of course.

Shoot, contacts my friend.

Okay.

I feel like I'm bigger in the weight room.

I bench more.

I do all that type of stuff.

I print myself a little bit differently.

So when I go against certain corners, yeah, I contact my friend.

But of course, no receiver like getting touched now.

Right, right, right.

No, no, no, no.

And for me, that was my weakness.

I know what my weaknesses were.

Contested catches, don't do it.

I'm going to lose every time, which is why I had had no choice but to create the type of separation I did when I played because I suck at contested catches.

50-50 balls, dude, I can't do it.

I suck at 50-50 balls.

Now, everything else, I'm good at, but my coaches understanding my weaknesses never put me in those positions to where I would get exposed.

Yes, sir.

That's dope.

That's dope to hear, though.

That's dope.

That's dope.

Brendan, did you find, obviously, Jerry being your dad, and everybody knows what he means and to the, meant to the league and how great he was.

Did he put pressure on you or did you want to play?

Did you just want to play football and just happen to gravitate towards that position?

Well, to be honest off rip,

me and my pops didn't have the best relationship growing up.

Okay.

So football was my gateway.

It was my out and that and Christ himself.

Man, like the way I just went ahead and developed into the game and

took it as just my, it was my escape from reality.

And even though, yes, I'm playing the same position and everything, it felt as though I was getting closer to him by playing the game of football.

And then I went ahead and put so much work into my craft and studying the game and everything like that.

That all I wanted to do was get better, get better, get better.

And hopefully, I don't know if there is one, be the first father-son duo in the

Hall of Fame.

Just like, oh, man.

USC,

Big Ten.

You like the chances this year?

Come on now.

Come on, man.

Come on.

Hey, we bleed that.

Come on, fight on, big dog.

Man, y'all ain't do too much fighting on, though, Brendan.

The last couple of years, y'all ain't been fighting on.

Y'all been trying to fight them off.

You know, they always knock you when you're down, man.

It's okay.

It's okay.

You should.

Yeah, I got it.

Hey, you know what?

i want i'm gonna ask about lad mcconkey oh is

is lad i call him ladarius i'm i'm at he i'm called ladarius mcconkey is he

is he as good as advertised based on what we see on sundays

he's better he's better the things that y'all see on sundays are just a glimpse of his greatness and what he has put into the game.

I saw this dude go over here.

Justin threw a beautiful ball on just a you know a deep cross right and he did a late hands between two defenders and it was nasty man from his route running his technique how he carries himself each and every day yeah you guys only saw a glimpse

he's special well brendan thanks for stopping by giving us a few moments of your time best of luck stay healthy hey remember

31 others are watching 31 others are watching hey hey don't forget man come come holler at your boy man at the uh receiver wide receiver uh workshop next year man.

Man, I'm trying to get him work in sooner than that.

I'm sending you some tape over soon.

Come on, come on, hey, send it to me.

I listen, I've had a lot of players.

I don't want to say no name because I got in trouble last year.

Devontae Adams sent me some one-on-one film, and I was so excited.

I posted

no name, and he got in trouble, he got in trouble.

Oh, shoot!

Like, why are you posing?

But, man, send me some stuff, man.

I got you, I got you.

All right,

best of luck, man.

Stay healthy.

Thank you.

All right, bro.

Appreciate you.

Appreciate it.

Ojo, Roma Doomsay has an incredibly high ceiling for Caleb Williams.

ESP and Jeremy Fowler reported

Roma Doomsday told me Caleb Williams can literally be the best quarterback in the NFL.

Ojo,

can you see Caleb making that big of a jump?

Absolutely.

I can see him making that big of a jump simply because of the person that's calling the plays.

I can see him making that kind of jump simply because of the person that's calling the plays.

Ben Johnson is phenomenal.

If you see what he's able to do with Garrett, with Jerry Goff, right?

And

the tools that Jerry Goff had at his disposal.

How can I get the best version of Jerry Goff?

You understand what he has around him and how to put the players in position to their strengths, and you go from there.

He can do the same thing with Caleb Williams because Caleb Williams has all the tools.

We saw the magic at USC.

Yes.

Glimpse of what he can do with the bears last year

now you got dj moore you got a dunze you got comet did i say that right cold commit cold you got commet man they they're gonna be all right he knows what caleb is great at he knows his strengths he understands that and you just make the play calls with the creativity that he adds to the offense That's why Rome was able to say what he did about Caleb being one of the best in the game today.

Packers offensive coordinator Adam Stenovich was asked last week if he'd like Jordan Love to run a little bit more.

Absolutely, Stenovich said bluntly.

I think it's a huge weapon, and Jordan has that ability to make some big plays down the field.

We encourage that for sure.

Love ranked 30th in quarterback rushing attempts.

Today, Love said he's going to run more this season.

I think every game that there's a couple of options or instances where I could have took off and run.

You look back and you're like, man, I could have took off and run.

Excuse me.

A little bit is just understanding what the defense is doing, what coverage we're getting, how the D-line might be playing.

Some of those games where they start twisting and doing different things, understanding where holes in the pocket might be and have the opportunity to step up and escape.

And then just understanding that maybe sometimes, maybe not, go back.

to the check down right now.

Maybe take an extra second to find a lane, get out there and create an opportunity with your legs.

So I think half and half with the injury and then some understanding of where those times are to take off and use your legs.

I lie.

I like it.

It's cool.

But there's a reason why he was 30s and NFL and rushing, huh?

There was a reason.

Have you seen that Effing's receiving core over there?

Reed and Hicks and Watson and

hold on, hold on.

Now Golden.

I mean, man, listen, there's really no reason to run because there's so many viable options when you're throwing a goddamn ball.

There's a reason he was 30th and rushing last year.

Can he do it in certain situations?

Being that he's a dual threat, he can run.

He's not the slowest, you know, slowest quarterback in the league.

Yes, he can do it when he needs be.

He's a dual threat in a sense.

But when you have that kind of weaponry around you, there's no need to have to run.

You don't.

They got a goddamn bow by one team, an underrated young receiving core.

Right.

She, run for, run for what?

When you got all that?

But you want to, you know keep them honest because you know Ocho I set my defense if I know you're not gonna run I'll play certain coverages

I Want I want every I want you to I want you to what you have to worry about that you see what happened when Patrick Mahomes started taking off?

Oh, yeah, yeah Now they couldn't defense him anymore now.

He'll take he don't want to run

But I tell you what he'll jump through the crack on you

You're right.

Just have that ability Look, we're not asking you to be Lamar.

You don't need to be Lamar.

You don't need to be Josh Allen.

You don't need to be Jalen Hurts.

But there are times, there are times.

Who?

Just sprinkle it in a little bit.

Sprinkle it in there.

That's it.

A little parsley.

A little parsley.

That is all you have to do.

Just enough to have.

So the defensive coordinator, hey, we need to close that off.

Well, if I'm thinking about closing that off, I'm not just thinking, pinning my ears back, thinking about getting to the quarterback.

Because now I have to rush with a little bit more respect.

Yeah.

Because you want those D Laminers, because if they're respected, they come get you.

Hey, ears pinned back.

See, you just can't just, you just can't willy-nilly just go back there.

Oh, I'm going to knock Lamar's head off.

Okay.

All right.

Oh, oh, I'm going to get, oh, I'm going to tear Josh up.

Okay.

You mess around and run past him if you want to, and he'd jump out the window on you.

You'll be mad.

You won't catch him to like 10, 15 yards down the field.

Exactly.

So I think that's a situation.

That's what he said.

He said, look, I just got to understand the coverage, what they're doing.

Okay.

They twist.

Somebody vacate and our offensive line do a great job of picking it up and pushing somebody past.

There's an escape hatch.

I might as well take it.

Yeah, sure, it might come open.

But let me go and get this easy 10 right now.

We come back to it.

Yeah.

Now, because the coach is going to tell him, son, you can't do that.

You can't get out your lane.

You can't get pushed.

You can't get washed that far down.

You can't get that far upfield.

Now he's thinking about a whole lot of other things as opposed to just coming to get me.

Right.

He who hesitates is beat.

Every time.

Whether you play offense or defense.

Yeah.

As an offensive player, I'm trying to make the defense hesitate.

As a defensive player, I'm trying to make the offensive player hesitate.

Well,

if I can just go out there with no hesitation, OJo, whoo.

Yeah.

Right.

Listen,

he'll have those opportunities.

If I'm not mistaken, they go from open a lot i mean talk about opening they run the spread a lot he's in the gun a lot uh obviously he is under center if i if i had the statistics or the percentage in which they go from the gun i think it's more than being under center i think on third down would be

will probably be most of the times where he would be able to be a dual threat yeah for sure yeah

the first thing he's gonna do is they're gonna play man unless they want to blitz him they're gonna play man and everybody gonna have a back turn and you'll be able to use your legs And that would be advantageous for him in adding that arsenal of being a dual threat and just running a little bit more.

And plus, they don't expect it.

I mean, on third down, third, like I got to play, I got, I can't, I just can't arbitrarily willy-nilly because Lamar is going to get that.

Josh Allen gonna get that, Jalen Hurd's gonna get that.

They're not looking at Jordan Love as one of those dual, one of those dual threat quarterbacks, so he has the element of surprise.

Yeah,

You know

who has it too,

speaking of quarterbacks that it's not even a surprise anymore, especially off what he did last year, Jayden Daniels.

Yeah.

But see, here's the thing.

Ocho.

The man, Ocho, the man won the Heisman Trophy.

You know he got wheels.

He ain't got no element of surprise.

He ain't got no element of surprise.

Right.

You trying to make him beat you from the pocket.

And then you say, you know what?

If he beat me from the pocket, oh Joe, he can run for 100 yards.

Yeah.

I mean, it's like, you know, guys like Lamar and guys like Josh Allen, they can run for 100 yards.

Jaden Daniels can run for 100 yards.

You just can't just like, oh, he, yeah, he can beat you with his legs.

The thing is, is like

when Brady used to hand the ball off on third and one, you clap.

I'd rather running back had the ball than Tom Brady.

I don't give a damn who the running back is.

Right.

That's Tom Brady.

Peyton Manning hand the ball off, like, whoo, thank you, Jesus.

So Jaden Daniel put the ball up on his arm.

No, I want, I'd rather you throw it.

Right.

Who going to tackle it?

In the open field, Lojo.

Good luck getting him down.

Now, he done broke the line of scrimmage.

And you think the first guy to see him going to get him down?

No, because it's always going to be someone on the second level.

And they are not good in open space.

Yeah.

The second level tried to hope I got an angle so I can push him out of bounds.

I don't want to be in the middle of the field with him.

I don't want to be between the numbers with him.

And

he got a two-way go.

I'm good.

You're right.

I'm good.

When them Broncos play, that's what I want to know.

When y'all play?

All I know, we made a playoff last year.

Y'all who?

Playoffs.

I mean, I think you wouldn't know nothing something you wouldn't know nothing about last year y'all made the y'all made the playoff last year right but didn't you end up in the same play you ended up in cancun with us just a week later right we got an extra check we made more money y'all did

you know a little playoff check that hey you know oh that hey oh joe that'll keep it for about a month or two yeah the whole playoff check they hit yeah they nice they nice So hold on.

Are you suggesting?

Are you suggesting based off what you saw, the small sample size that you saw from my Bengals tonight, you really think that the Broncos are going to be better than us offensively?

Oh, oh, Joe.

I saw, what about you think based off that sample size I saw your defense, y'all going to be better defensively?

I mean, from based on what I saw, what I saw tonight, we could put up 40 a game.

Huh?

I think we can put up 40 a game based on what you got.

We give up 43.

Let's see how you saw you put up.

I saw Joe Burrow throw for 400 and lose.

I saw him throw for 370 and lose i saw you score 38 and give up 41.

i saw you give up score 34 and give up 35.

so what you talking about so what you saying no it's a new year right you talk about what we did last year you know

it's still the same yeah okay tell me the improvements that you made defensively your best defensive player has yet to get on the field

oh he he'll be there he'll be he'll be he'll be there

he'll be there but we're going to be better than y'all i can tell

listen i can tell you that right now and i hope i hope when the broncos do play i hope both nixon and the offense i hope they get out there for for a full quarter too i hope they do

don't worry about what we do see there you go you worry about us i'm just i'm listening i'm just i'm just we just talking football that's all yeah that's it all i know is that uh our defense is better than y'all's oh yeah okay now i can give you that now listen i can give you that i'm i'm i'm a man i can be a man i can be real about myself and live in reality.

Your defense is better than ours.

It is.

That ain't saying much.

That's like saying water wet.

That's not necessary.

That's not necessary.

There's no need to take a shot at my team like that.

That's all I need.

I ain't taking a shot at your team.

I'm just telling the truth.

I mean, I'm saying the Broncos' defense is better than the Bengals.

Like, okay, Shannon, like, wow, you really went on the limb on that one.

Okay, but our offense is 20 times better than yours.

I wouldn't go that far, but your offense is better.

Yes.

Your quarterback is better than ours.

Y'all receivers are better than ours.

Offensive line,

I don't know.

You can go either way.

Yeah, but

do we play balances out?

And that's why the game was so close last year because it balances out because our defense.

And that was a rookie.

Bo Nick's not going to make those mistakes that he made last year.

Okay.

Okay.

We don't play y'all this year, I'm assuming, right?

No,

I think we do again.

I think so.

you want to put something on that game or no no

until you put 5900 in my pocket i don't want to bet you no more as a matter of fact i'm about to stop talking to you

i'm coming real close hey hey

Thanos said my daddy coming real close not to talk to you, Ocho.

Hey.

Hell no.

Oh, how about it?

Hey, we could honestly, matter of fact, we can make it really interesting.

We can really make it really interesting.

Is you could put the dog on the line.

Oh, Thanos?

Yeah, put the dog on the line.

If you're that confident in your Broncos and as confident as I am in my Bengals, I guarantee you we go further in this season, postseason at that, than y'all do.

Matter of y'all might not even make it.

And if.

if you if

if if if the broncos lose you got to give me thanos for the rest of the year

You gone too much.

He can travel with me.

He can travel with me.

I got a bag that he fit right in.

No.

He said he don't want to travel.

My man.

Hey, my man fading fast on me, Ocho.

I thought he was.

What up, twin?

I know.

Okay.

Hey, let me go put him to bed.

All right.

Take it over.

You got it.

Hold on.

Hey, hey, I'm going to get a chat.

What are my spoken word stuff?

Oh, Lord, have mercy.

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