BEST OF Part 2: Unc & Ocho react to Scary Terry Demanding Out, Micah, Jerry Beef unrepairable?! | Nightcap

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Ocho, Terry McLaurin has asked commanders to trade him.

McLaurin turns 30 in September.

McLaurin in the final year.

He's in the final year, Ocho, final season of a three-year deal set to make 15.2 million base salary and is currently the 17th highest paid wide receiver in terms of average annual salary.

Ocho.

Get my dog out of there, man.

Get my dog out of there, man.

What are you trading him to?

They want to play, huh?

Trade him to Tennessee.

Let him go over there to Tennessee with Cam real quick so Cam could do exactly what TJ Stroud did.

So Cam can do exactly what Jaden Daniels did over there with the Commandos.

You know, giving them weapons.

Put them weapons around him.

You know, we got Calvin Ridley.

We got Terry McLaurin.

Wait, hopefully we got Tyler Lockett over there too, huh?

Right.

I'm not mistaken.

I think I think Tyler Lockett, Tyler Lockett in the slot.

Come on, man.

They still got Paula, right?

Paula's still a running back?

Yes.

Oh, come on, man.

Talk about Tennessee.

Tennessee,

the Dark Horse team to make it the playoffs.

Terry McLaurin over there, since they want to play games.

Goddamn, Jaden Daniels doesn't have the rocks in his back pocket to be able to go up to management right now and say, listen, I need my target.

I don't think you understand.

A huge part of my success was actually having number 17 as a target.

Look at some of the plays they made for us last year.

Why is it even

a no-brainer?

I don't care about him being 30.

I don't care about him being 30.

Where else are we going to get the production from?

Where?

No disrespect to Debo Samuels.

Nice.

Very nice at what he does.

Very nice at what he does.

He's a Swiss Army knife.

He can come out the back

in the slot.

You put in motion with the ball in his hands.

Yeah, he's a giant.

He's phenomenal.

One of the best.

Yeah, for sure.

You go into a game and you're playing the commanders.

They're game planning and setting the defensive formation where Terry McLaurin lines up.

What are we talking about?

If what Adam Schefter is reporting is to be true, he wants way north of 33 million.

They're not going there, OJo.

They're not.

You know that.

I know that.

I mean, not, not, not, not, not

at 30.

If what Adam, like I said, Adam Shepherd tweeted that.

Ash, can you find that quote and put it up on the thing to make sure it's the affect the real Adam Shepherd?

And we're not getting a

catfish.

But if what Adam Sharp reported is that he wants north.

Wait,

I think the work verbiage and the terms he used was way north of 33 million.

Well, listen, I want way north of 33 million.

Stay with me now.

Okay.

Commanders say,

we're not going to give you north of 33 million.

So, okay, let's negotiate.

Let's find a happy medium that's not disrespectful to me and what I've done for this franchise.

Because the number speaks for themselves.

Yeah, but Ocho, I ain't gonna pay you for what you're gonna do for itself.

Ocho, I ain't gonna pay you for what you've done.

I already paid you for that.

I gotta pay you what Obliva you're gonna do now.

Well, he's gonna continue.

What do you wait?

He's 30, right?

Yes.

30.

He can, he can, he can very well, because of the quarterback play and the quarterbacks you have, he's going to be consistent.

That's a no-brainer.

He's not losing a step.

Now, I just don't i just don't know if that number is that number that north

okay north of 30 all right north of 33

maybe one 33 and a half because think about

you you do realize who's at 30 34 and 35 cd and jetta yeah

now way north means he's 36 37.

give my dog 32 and a half

Give Terry McLaurin 32 and a half.

I was thinking more along the lines of a waddle

somewhere between

28 and a half.

Oh, hell no.

Hell, no, hell no.

Oh, Joe, I'm just, oh, Joe, I, oh, I just got, I got to be real, dad.

Okay.

Hell, no.

Hit my dog 32 and a half.

Talk to me, man.

Talk to me nice.

Huh?

We talk about scary Terry.

We ain't talking about just knowing anybody now.

Huh?

We talk about the one who wear the C on the chest.

We talk about the captain, the one who does everything the right way.

He says all the right things.

He's the leader of the team.

He's the leader of the offense.

His teammates gave him the C for a reason.

Now it's time to pay him for the exact leader that you asked him to be.

And now it's a problem.

That's what we're doing?

That's what they're doing.

That's what it seems like they're doing.

And nigga, please.

I mean, child, please.

I think.

Come on, man.

I think 30 million is probably what I think the 30 is their drop dead number because that's where Tyreek is.

Ash, pull up the top 10, pull up the other receivers.

Adam Shafter said he thinks Terry McLaurin wants considerably more than DK got, which was 33 million per year.

So considerably, boy, is going to be 35, 36, 37.

Damn.

Listen, sometimes

you got to shoot high and

find a happy median.

I like it.

Two for the stars.

If you're laying on the moon, you're still pretty damn high.

You'll be happy.

I don't like the fact that the players are missing training cam

i don't like it because you got you get you need that time to be getting pushed and shoved and and getting acclimated to the speed of the game you know catch catching okay oh joe here we are right here jamar chase is at 40 40.25

Jeddah 35.

CD 34.

DK 33.

Garrett Wilson, 32.

AJ, 32.

Almond Ross St.

Brown, 30.

Brandon IU, 30.

Tyreek Hill, 30.

T.

Higgins, 28,750.

Yeah, 32 and a half.

I'm going to say that again.

32 and a half.

Anything, anything below that is disrespectful.

Put the numbers up.

Pull the numbers up.

See,

you got them on your screen.

Did you see them?

Can you see them?

No, the numbers, no.

Okay.

No, but listen, listen, listen.

Anything below that is disrespectful.

Pull the numbers up.

i see i need to be i need to be some of these i need to be assistant to some of these agents when it's time for these receivers to get paid because not only i'm gonna pull the numbers up not only am i gonna put the numbers in the market where everybody's getting paid i'm gonna also walk in there with the goddamn film

i'm not sure what y'all been watching so 32 and a half will put him at garrett wilson uh fifth highest paid fifth best receiver thank you

see

see okay it's not it's not outrageous it's not too low it's right in the middle and it's not disrespectful

But

what are we talking about?

He won't considerably more than 33.

All right.

See, boom.

He was shooting for the stars.

If I fall low, I want to fall to the 32 and a half.

I think you're going to fall at 30.

No, no, no.

No.

See, I need to be in the rooms.

I need to be in the rooms when it's time for receivers to negotiate.

I think the owners and whoever does the numbers and the books, they forgetting what you did.

Yeah.

I'm coming in there with the film.

I'm coming there with the film.

Forget what you talk about.

Let me show you why

my client deserves what we asking for.

Let me show you why,

play by play, I'm going to have all his catches and touchdown broken down.

32 and a half.

Let me show you why 32 and a half.

Down and distance, different scenarios.

Remember that?

Come on, man.

Stop playing, man.

What?

Okay.

Listen, I'm the right one to have when it comes to negotiation and getting somebody.

I agree with you, Ocho.

I don't think 32 and a half is outrageous.

But I think he's going to fall somewhere.

I think he's going to be, you know.

And I said, because remember, Waddle.

And remember, I said I went 28 and a half, that 28 and a half.

So I think he's going to fall that 28 and a half to 32.

That's going to be the range.

And I don't know if he's going to be too happy with that.

Because what happens is, is that you don't want to be, you don't want to come behind a guy, Ocho, when the guy got 32 and a half, and then you come behind him, you get 31 or you get 30, because now you stunted the growth of the wide receiver.

Now, I get it.

You look at Gary Wilson, Gary Wilson says, hey, 32.5, considering where I was, I'm cool with that.

And

right now, I can't match the production of CD, Jetta, and Chase.

So I can't go up there and say, hey, yeah, y'all need to break me off like that.

Because Cause Jelly is on some historic-ish.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's that's Chase is on some historic-ish.

There's levels to everything.

Yes.

So that's what.

And so when you look at it like that, but I get what Terry McLaurin says.

Hold on, bro.

Look, hey, y'all need to break me off.

Come on.

32 and a half.

That's it.

Okay.

32 and a half is it.

If they don't pay him 32 and a half, I'm going to go off on management.

I don't know where, but they're going to hear me.

They're going to hear me.

Bills running back James Cook did not practice today.

Cook is seeking a contract extension, but was present at mandatory minicamp, reported to training camp and had participated thus far.

Kept it short, would ask why he sat out.

Business, he said, would ask if he would practice Monday.

Business with James Cook being full pass

for Buffalo Bills week one against the Ravens.

It's being reported.

I don't know if it's true.

We got to provide context for everything now, Ocho, is that he will ask for a deal similar to what the Eagles gave Saquon.

James, I don't think you're going to get that, bro.

I'm just going to be honest with you.

I think you're

a fabulous young running back,

but

you're not finna get something comparable to

Saquon.

I don't think you're going to get something comparable to

Mac, C-Mac.

I don't think you're going to get nothing comparable to D.

Henry.

What does Derrick Henry make, Ash?

16?

Ooh, that's tough.

Oh, Joe, we got to think about OJo.

They just started paying running backs the last two years.

It's tough.

They're tough.

And listen,

they started paying the running backs the last two years, and they playing the tier one running backs, right?

Yes.

I see James Cook as

tier two?

Right below, right?

He's right there.

He was an intricate part of that offense last year.

He was an intricate part of that offense last year and had very, very, very many plays.

Very, very many plays.

He fits very well in that system, along with Josh.

Saquon,

that's one D.

Henry.

Okay,

C Mac.

Okay,

let me ask you a question.

Okay, so we're gonna put Josh Jacobs.

You like him next?

Jonathan Taylor.

Oh, I forgot about J.

I forgot about JT.

He's in that class, though.

Right.

He's in that.

For me, you know who we don't talk about enough too, since we're on the topic of running backs?

Kyron Williams over there with the Rams.

Oh, Kyron Williams, yeah, yeah.

Excuse me, Joe Mixon had a nice year.

I mean, 20

another 20 million.

I just don't see it.

Now, I'm not saying, look, deserve, earn.

I don't see them paying that,

that asking price.

Saquon is at 20 million.

Kristen McCaffrey is at 19 million.

Derrick Henry is at 15 million.

Jonathan Taylor is at...

14 million.

Alvin Kamara is at 12,250.

Josh Jacobs, 12.

Aaron Jones, 10.

James Conner, 9.

David Montgomery, 9.5.

Well, James Conner is 9.5.

David Montgomery, 9.125.

And Ramondre Stevenson is at 9 million.

So you see, 10 is at 9 million.

20 is at 20 million.

So he's going to have to fit somewhere in there.

I don't see him leapfrogging.

Taylor Henry McCaffrey.

He said he wants something comparable to Saquon.

Saquon's at the top of the food chain at 24-6.

And he just came off of 2000.

He just came off offensive player of the year.

And he ran his team to the Super Bowl.

Yeah,

that's tough.

That's tough.

I love it.

Derrick Henry just had 1,921 yards, led the league in rushing touchdowns.

We know Christian McCaffrey the year before.

He was offensive player of the year.

We know what he is when he's healthy.

Jonathan Taylor,

because Saquon and Dee Henry had such unbelievable seasons, we forget he had an unbelievable season also.

But because those two guys were battled out for 2000 and Saquon got it and Henry was like 79 yards short, we kind of forgot about him.

And we know Josh Jacobs,

what he,

Ocho.

Hey, look,

really?

Brother Cook, hold on, hold on, Jane Cook.

Man, one home team got to get his money, though, man.

He can't be more than 25, ocho

see oh so listen if he's not more than 25 right if he's not more than 25 there's no reason why he can't be slaughtered at right about

about 12 hundred 12 or 13.

12 or 13 is fair.

Even if at 25, you still got a lifespan of maybe another seven years, especially in that offense over there in Buffalo.

Yeah.

In that Pacific offense, you can still, like, I don't think there are that many running backs you can go find right now that can do what James Cook does.

I don't think people, let's not be fooled.

He'll be 26 on, he'll be 26 in September until he's 25.

Give him that 13, man.

Stop playing.

Give him that 13.

He's young.

It's not that many running backs that can do what he does.

We're talking about coming out the backfield.

I agree.

I agree.

He can catch the ball.

Oh, Joe, but see, you see how you being realistic?

You say somewhere between 12, 13.

That's good money.

Bro, bro, he said he wanted to deal comparable to Saquon.

20.

theme but

oh

and saquan think about it ocho saquon signed a free agent deal saquan pray so good they tore the deal up and made him the highest paid even after signing a free agent deal derrick henry played so well last year even after signing a free agent deal they tore it up and gave him a new deal

Damn, man.

I want my dog to get paid too, man.

That's home team, man.

Home team.

Damn.

But I think the thing is, Ocho, we got to be realistic.

They just started paying running backs the last year and a half, two years.

Hey, they're paying the special ones, though.

I think they're paying any and everybody.

They're paying the special one, James.

True.

True.

Based on what he does, like he ain't a motherfucker.

He ain't no slouch.

No.

He's an important part of that offense.

He makes that offense go.

Now we know Josh Allen.

We know what Josh Allen is.

Josh Allen is over there with no superstars, no true number one running backs, but I mean wide receivers,

but you do have another weapon and goddamn James Cook,

huh?

You got you got uh Shakir,

nice, solid, just got paid in the offseason, if I'm not mistaken.

Yeah,

Keon Cole,

an up-and-coming young bull.

Don't they got the kid from San Diego?

Didn't they did they didn't they sign him in free agency?

Oh, San Diego, the Chargers, yeah, I mean,

the LA Chargers, yeah.

Didn't they sign Palmer?

Josh Palmer is over there, huh?

Is it Josh?

Josh Palmer, right?

I think that's who it is.

I think his first name, Josh, if I'm not mistaken.

Hey, God damn, but that's a tough one.

Listen, honestly,

I wouldn't want to be an owner.

I wouldn't want to be a GM.

He's about to be 26.

Yeah, yeah.

I wouldn't want to be a GM when it comes to like

fringe situations like this.

We can go either way.

I want to be a GM where it comes to no-brainers.

Oh, that's easy.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

But no, no, no.

You got to make tough decisions.

Yeah, I don't like the tough decisions like this.

Because you can't keep everybody.

You got to decide, okay, do I get off this guy?

And then one time you get off somebody, like you let somebody go and then they go gangbusters, kind of like what Derrick Henry did.

They're like, what the hell were you thinking about?

You let Derrick Henry go, the bro.

But also, listen.

Giants, Giants, what are you thinking about?

You let Saquon go?

Yeah, but listen.

Tennessee, what the hell are you thinking?

You let A.J.

Brown go?

Yeah, but this is the thing, huh?

You have to think about it.

The timing and the places where these individuals went was very important.

Yes.

Very important.

Saquon left a disgruntled, a not-so-good offense in New York and went to the Philadelphia Eagles with the best offensive line.

True.

Tennessee, I'm not sure what you were thinking or what you were looking at.

Because Derrick Henry didn't

be Derrick Henry wherever he go.

Okay.

So,

ah,

that's that's tough.

Yeah, we wish you.

I, I, I

cook, get your money, baby.

Do what you got

13, 14, 15, maybe in that range, but that 19, 20.

13, 5, 13, 13, 5.

He's only 25.

Hey, Josh Allen.

Josh Allen, man, you need to interfere.

Intervene.

Intervene, please.

Intervene.

Listen, you know how much power Josh got?

Do you understand?

I don't think people understand.

Do you know how much power the quarterback, the quarterback has in situations like this?

Man, Josh goes up there right now, man.

What's the owner's name?

I forgot his name.

Gula.

Gula.

Yeah.

His daughter's really good at tennis, huh?

Yes.

She's really good at tennis.

You know, Mr.

Pagula, man, Josh, go up there, man.

Listen, Mr.

Pagula, I don't want any more distractions.

I don't want any more distractions.

brother.

Cook, brother Cook is a very important part of our offense.

He takes some of the pressure off me, some of the pressure off my shoulders.

Let's

find a way to get now, bro.

I gave you 330 million.

I need to put more pressure on your shoulders.

So get out of my office.

Nah, hell no.

As a matter of fact, I've been to trade it

For three, hey, for 330 million, for 300, what, for 330 million, what I pay you?

And 250 million guaranteed, don't you?

Nah, bro.

I ain't trying to take no pressure off your shoulder.

Unfortunately, I'm not going to be able to do that, Josh.

Ah,

hello.

Hey, that's a good one.

Hey, that's a good one.

I forgot he paid Josh all that goddamn

tripping.

Oh, shoot.

And this is Micah and Jerry.

They've kind of been going back and forth over the weekend.

Hey, Micah posted a lengthy message on social media on Friday, concluding with a statement that he no longer wants to play for the Cowboys.

Yes, I wanted to be there.

I did everything I could to show that I wanted to be a cowboy and wear the star on my helmet.

I wanted to play in front of the best fans in sports and make America's team proud, Murray's team, once again.

The team, my pops and I grew up cheering for way up in Harrisburg, PA.

He is from Harrisburg, Ocho.

You know, normally Harrisburg, normally that's Steeler or Eagles country.

A lot of people like the Steelers up in Harrisburg.

But hey, if you know, if you're in Pennsylvania and you root for the Eagles, I mean, you got two teams, but if you root for the Eagles, I ain't gonna hold that against you.

If you root for the Steelers, I'm not gonna hold that against you.

But think about it.

He in Steelers, Eagle territory, and he and his pops are Cowboys fan.

Unfortunately, right?

I no longer want to be here.

I no longer want to be held to a closed-door negotiation without my agent present.

I no longer want shots taken at me for getting injured while laying it on the line for the organization, our fans, my teammates.

I no longer want narratives created and spread to the media about me.

I knew I would be leaving money on the table, but again, I was okay with that.

Again, radio silenced

my extension.

In March, I met with Mr.

Jones to talk about leadership.

Somehow, the conversation turned into him talking about contract with me.

Yes, I engaged back and forth in regards to what I wanted from my contract, but at no point did I believe this was supposed to be a formal negotiation.

And I informed Mr.

Jones after

major would reach out thinking we'd get things done.

I stayed quiet, but again, after repeated shots at myself and all these narratives, I made a tough decision.

I no longer want to play for the Cowboys.

My trade request has been submitted to Stephen Jones personally.

Ocho,

take off.

What's your take on this?

Listen, hey, I just, I just, I don't understand.

It's one thing for owners to think a certain way,

to not really value the people that, the players that lay it all on the line for you, but you have a certain way of conducting yourself.

You already have a history of

things that are frowned upon when it comes to

us anyway.

Way, way back.

I don't need to bring that up, but...

to continue to show us during the Kaepernick era time as well, the one owner that came out and said all our players will be standing.

Yo, we're going to hold the line if you play for my team.

And just to see how he conducts business and the way he does business, despite being the most

profitable franchise of all sports,

the way he did CD, the way he did Ezekiel Elliott, the way he did Dak.

Now the way he's doing Michael Parsons.

This time, even going a little further, crossing the line and talking about him in a way like, well, even if we do pay him, he might not be available like he was last year when he was like you don't you don't you miss six games you don't you don't say stuff like that as the owner when he's busting his ass for you and your team obviously do what his job is and what you pay him to do injuries injuries are a part of a sport but to hear your your owner the one who signed the check to say it and to say how he really feels publicly to the world that's the kind of stuff like uh it gets out it slips out because somebody recorded it somebody stuck a conversation but he just like proudly he blurted it out letting you know how he feels about you how could you want to line up and put that hat on how could you want to wear that star outside of just doing it for the money see if we talk about ocho that's why i like to have somebody because he might would have told the agent that but the agent never would have come back and told me or you that exactly why you never want to be a part of wait why you never want to be a part of negotiations because the real them comes out and the agent never discloses that right will be upset everybody will be upset on how they feel about you because when it comes to business, they are shrewd.

Right.

This is what they do.

This is not what you do.

Right.

I don't have a problem.

I think Bobby Wagner was one of the first ones that says, you know, I no longer have an agent.

I'm going to negotiate my own contract.

I think Sherm did that.

I think we saw Lamar and his mom negotiate their own contract.

I don't have a problem with that.

If you say, I'm going to be my own representative, I'm going to engage in these talks with whomever, be it Jerry, Stephen, or whomever is doing this contract negotiations.

I'm cool with that.

But if I tell you I have representation, don't try to get isolate me.

Right.

And back, though, you, you know, buddy back.

That's why I have representation because this is what they do.

I'm giving him a percentage of the total contract because I want him to negotiate on my behalf.

So that's why Jerry had him going to all these places.

Hey, Michael, come on, fly on the plane because he's trying to.

No, no, no, no.

Now, if Michael says, you know what, Jerry, you're right.

I can do this on my own.

And then that way I don't have to give David his agent.

I won't have to give him 2%, 3%, or whatever the case may be, whatever he charges.

I just keep that for myself.

But that's not what Michael said.

Michael says, hey, I have an agent.

He's like, I thought this was the start of the negotiation.

Hey, hey, David Mugaletta is looking forward to hearing from you.

Hey, told him we had a great conversation.

He'll take it from here.

Jerry thought they had a done deal.

No.

Mike ain't stupid.

No.

No, no.

Mike are not stupid.

No.

Hey, but Uncle This is the part I don't understand.

This goes for everybody also in the chat.

You have certain players.

You have special players that come along.

I call them no-brainers.

I call them players that are no-brainers.

When they come in, when they get drafted, and you watch them play year to year, it's a no-brainer when it's time to pay them.

Right.

Micah Parsons is a no-brainer.

The Jerome Paces are no-brainers.

The Justin Jeffersons are no-brainers.

Amon Ross St.

Brown, I'm just using receivers for perspective.

Those are no-brainers.

You know, there's no reason to play a game when it comes to a player of that magnitude.

Even if they're whatever the books may say, like stuff like that, well, you know what?

We have one player on defense.

It's our superstar.

The ball, the ball should have been rolling.

The season started another three weeks.

What are we talking about?

Why are we still talking about contract with the no-brainer yeah because think about it what it costs the bingers it cost them an extra six million dollars a year or next to twenty four million dollars over four years because you waited a year yeah it probably cost you an extra thirty million dollars in guarantees because you waited an extra year right so you have to pay a tax you have to pay a penalty if you're late let me ask you a question if you late on your rent you pay a penalty if you late if you got a uh something at the court and you're late if you owe uncle sam there's a penalty for being late.

If you negotiate my contract late, there is a penalty for said service.

Now,

with all that being said, Jerry didn't have to say any of that, but Jerry's just going to show you.

See, now, Jerry, he's got to let you know who's in charge.

Yeah.

Because

it is reported that as the representative has been trying to reach out, Jerry ain't returned no calls.

On purpose.

Absolutely.

On purpose.

Absolutely.

Just to prove a point.

What point he's trying to prove?

I have no idea.

I run this show.

I'm going to show.

I'm going to pay.

I'll pay you when I get ready.

Like you do me.

Like you do me over $5,900.

Me?

You basically told me I'm going to pay you when I get ready.

Oh, no.

I ain't say that.

I mean, I thought.

No, no, your actions did.

I'm going to take care of you, baby.

I'm not Jerry.

I don't like that comparison.

Don't do me like that.

Yeah, this is coming up on a year.

It's a penalty for being late.

I got you.

I got you.

I got one thing about it.

I need to see, you got it, but I need to get it.

Right, right.

You know, hey, you know,

I get light right now, Joe.

I can light right now.

You see, if I get light,

that's why I love you.

That's why I love that.

That's what I need.

Come on, come on, back home.

That's what I need.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

That's the standard I need.

We're going to be all right.

We're going to be all right.

I'm telling you.

Hey, Ty Tripper said, we're going to be all right.

We good.

And Micah, Micah said, when you back me in a corner,

I don't want to be here no more.

Hey, if you think, I tell you what, if you upset, talk about I might not be here, I missed six games, trade me.

Yeah.

See what the market is and trade me.

Man, listen, but hey, he, if, if, if Jerry was to play, but obviously you know he's not gonna do that boy you know micah could reset the market by what he gonna reset the market anyway he might get 50.

i mean i'm i'm i definitely believe he can get 45.

yeah easy i believe i can get i believe he can get 45.

uh whatever miles get whatever miles gary got and guaranteed money i think he got miles got 123

he go what he go 140.

easy but this is the only part i don't like is whatever team he goes to it wouldn't be a contender it'd be a team that has a lot of room a lot of salary cap room so they'll be able to pay him that eagles will trade for it

the commanders will definitely trade for it commanders the eagles that's not fair that's that's not fair hey if he was to go to the eagles and they gave up whatever compensation they would want for michael parsons that you might as well hand him the goddamn lombardi now

just go just go ahead and give well you what jared said he worried about him missing time he won't have to worry about it He don't have to worry about paying him and he ain't got to worry about him getting injured and missing time on his dime.

So with that being said, and the first

like and at some point in time it's just like bro what what are we doing here i i get it i get it you owned the team

you said hey i'm in my fifth year we could have did something after year four i mean year three we could have done something after year four so now we're now we're into my the uh uh the the option you picked up my fifth year player option that's where we are right now yeah after four pro bowls two three first team all pros defensive rookie of the year 12 sacks a season 12 sacks four four years in a row.

Come on, hang on.

So is that what we're doing right now?

Jerry, really?

Really, that's what we're doing.

It could, it could, listen.

I can't say it couldn't be me because.

Jerry said this is negotiating, no show.

He said we're negotiating now.

Right.

But it's a shrewd business.

It's a shrewd business.

And the fact that he let his feelings out publicly like that.

Yeah.

It says all you need to know.

Yeah.

It says all you need to know.

I think you and I, look, we've played sports and we've been in the, we negotiate.

When negotiation gets personal, you got to be careful, Ocho.

Yeah.

You got to be careful.

Yeah.

In any type of negotiation,

whatever the case may be, if it starts to get personal,

one side will start to build up a resentment towards the other side.

Right.

Right.

But and then even when he gets the money, they still feel a certain way.

And then the other person that gave you the money still feels feels a certain type of way the funny thing about it is regardless for us as the player we're never in a position of leverage we're never

we're never in a position of power but unless you let unless unless you're like you know what you turn out to be you're like damn i'm balling i'm rook defensive rookie of the year right i'm all pro and i really just sit on my money and i'm i'm willing to say okay y'all playing i see y'all week eight so i can get that i'll see y'all week eight so i get that best of year.

Come in, get me another quick eight sacks.

Now, what y'all gonna do?

Y'all play, y'all play, I play.

Right.

Yeah.

But see, that's the thing.

If you didn't have, see, Jerry knows he has leverage.

He has a fifth year player option, which is this year, and he has two franchise tags.

Oh,

so just imagine.

My, just imagine.

See, Dak, you see what Dak wrote in his contracts?

No franchise tags oh yeah

no franchise tags quarterback he can he can do that yeah

put that in there right

hey no you can't franchise me because that's the leverage that they got because i got i got theoretically mike i got you for this year and two more

damn that's a

It's unbelievable the game, the game that they play.

You already know how they feel, right?

You already know how they feel about you.

You know, it's one thing that they say, and I hate to bring it up because the first thing when you compare the NFL to a certain term they want to use, the first people, the first thing people bring up, well, you get paid millions.

But it's modern day, you know what, but you get paid millions.

You know, but that's that's neither here nor there, but just to hear Jerry say it, just the fact that he uttered the words with confidence.

Yeah, for sure.

I don't care in the world about your star player.

And then he took a shot at Dak.

What are we doing?

Well, look, Dak realized he's the quarterback.

Dak is the leader of the team, yes.

But he and Jerry, it's not like,

see, Jerry had a relationship with Tony Romo.

Yeah.

Dak is always hiding posed Jerry.

Because it was Jerry that wanted to give Tony Romo a job back.

That wasn't happening.

Oh, he

got, he kind of got, you know, Stephen and I think Jason Garrett and a few others like, Jerry, what are you doing?

What are you, what, what, are you, are you serious?

Yeah.

Even after all those injuries that

Tony Romo, he paid it.

He ain't mentioned nothing about no injury.

He mentioned nothing about that.

And at one point in time, Tony Romo was the highest-played player in the NFL.

Hey, without blinking.

Yeah.

Jerry also spoke to the reporters about Michael Tray requests.

Let's take a listen to what Jerry had to say.

Would you ever consider trading Mike?

Again,

I don't

really place that

with any

real seriousness.

You know, Mike has got a bad back.

That's like being traded.

Did the request take you by surprise the way it's the same

did the request take you by surprise

again uh no that's negotiation i've heard that so many times in my 30 years in the nfl about uh from uh not just players but agents and uh of course uh

we all understand uh contracts we're under contract uh that's what we're doing we're looking at uh adjusting the contract but we're under contract and we're in camp and that's the way the

rules are set up.

But

that is old stuff, 30 years of old stuff.

Some of these issues we're hearing about trading, hurt backs, all that kind of stuff.

When do you start negotiations with his people, Jerry?

Again,

I've started negotiations in March.

But what was it with his agent?

I said I started negotiation in March, and I've negotiated double handfuls of contracts just like I did in March.

He thought it was good.

Again, again, again, again, are you asking me?

I started that in March.

I questioned with him a negotiation.

I thought the meeting was about leadership, not about his contract.

It's my answer.

It's my answer.

I was negotiating in March.

Again, I sat with him at the Big 12 Conference Championships, sat with him at Super Bowl.

So

Mike is

easy for me to talk to, and we've had good talks, and uh uh we uh uh had a good talk regarding negotiation under contract the way i have many many many players

man he says something very interesting ocho what part he says michael's under contract well what about when players are under contract and they get cut they don't care you know they don't care especially

oh we have contract we have rules but the rules are one-sided yeah if i outperform the contract want a new contract you say whoa whoa you under contract if i underperform the contract that I signed, you say, you got to go.

You see,

this is what players should be.

This is why they fight so hard to try to get guaranteed money.

This is what you should be, instead of petty privileges, instead of worried about tour days and worry about how many padded practices you have during the course of the year.

These are the things that true leadership in the NFLPA, this is what you should be fighting for.

I'm getting rid of the, no, we're not doing no franchise tag.

Right.

Look, if i if i if if i'm at a normal job and i'm i'm on a my contract is coming up they can't say well we're gonna franchise you and if i work for google that means i can't go talk to apple or i can't go talk to microsoft no

free agency how can you be free if you can't you you under tag they got a tag on you free agency means i'm free to negotiate wherever

And there can't be a cap because whatever the market will bear.

I just saw

Mark Zuckerberg just pay a guy, AI guy, 250 million, gave him 100 million up front.

That's what free agency is.

All I'm saying is, and we're going to get, I just hope the next person is the NFLPA.

I'm here.

This is some of the things,

health benefits no sal no uh uh uh no franchise tag no frequent franchise tag gotta go guaranteed contracts yeah man because i you you can't oh joe you can't have it both ways you can negotiate with me when you want to but you can also cut me when you want to see so if i outperform the contract you say you got a contract i underperformed the contract you didn't perform up to the standard and so now you're going yeah so you got to you got to be careful they need somebody

all right i i know you you think you view me you view me as the fun the love the entertainment the jokes and the laughter but they need somebody shrewd that could be shrewd right back when it comes to conducting business you got to be someone that's fighting for the players not minimizing the players and pretending like i'm for you but really siding on the other end

man listen you know how we talk

The NFL owners don't want to lose the leverage.

Baseball, the players have the leverage.

Basketball, the players have the leverage.

All sports where contracts are guaranteed, the players have the leverage.

I think there's so many players on a team.

NFL owners don't want to lose the leverage of the players.

Yeah.

I'm like, guess what?

And I don't know when this back injury, hey, I ain't putting no Ben Gay on it either.

So I don't know when this back, this back issue, because it flares up.

Every time I go to put that helmet on, my back starting to hurt, Ocho.

Yeah, every time.

Every time.

He could play hardball.

He could play hardball, but listen,

with owners, GMs, everyone that sits in a position of power on the NFL team, what they will use against you is they know you'll probably fold before I do because you love the game.

You love the game.

Yep.

They're banking on it.

They're banking on it.

You're going to fold before they do.

So you, hey, you got, you got to play hardball.

How hard do you want to play the game?

Because they're going to play with you.

They're going to test you.

Yeah.

You see how agitated he got?

I negotiated in March.

Yeah.

And I answered the question already.

No, Michael said he thought you were talking about leadership.

He referred you to his agent.

You asking me?

Yeah, we're asking you.

But we talked to Michael, too.

Listen, can you imagine?

Hey, chat,

I'm not really into hypotheticals, but could you imagine if Jeffrey Lurie and Howie Roseman ran the Cowboys?

Can you imagine if they were the ones in charge?

With the talent that they had.

Because

they've drafted like the second most since, what, 2014?

Maybe the second.

They might be first with the Chiefs as far as Pro Bowl players.

Imagine.

How many times have they been the number one seed and got bounced in the first round or the second round?

With that talent.

Hold on.

When they had the best running back in football zeke elliott the best offensive line in football and they

when they were taking when they were putting eight nine ten guys into the pro bowl

when they had when they had when they had those tees with with romo and and witton and and to

and they had the marcus wear and they had all those guys

Boy, it was nice, but they were loaded, boy.

They were loaded.

But I think I'm not sure why Jerry

can't get it or can't see it.

Jerry wants credit.

Listen, but you look at the Patriots, right?

Look at all the teams that are successful every season.

Every season, the Patriots, when they, their dynasty and their good years.

You had Belichick.

You had Tom Brady.

Forget that part.

Where did it start?

Mr.

Crabb.

And the only time you heard from Mr.

Krabb is when he was taking the trophy out of Roger Goodell's hand.

That's it.

But everything starts at the top, winning stars from the front office, and it trickles all the way down.

Right.

But Jerry wants it to be about him.

The Chiefs.

That's why people are like, oh, Tom Brady should go to the Tom Brady should go to the Cowboys.

Boy,

Tom Brady said, Jerry, I'll play for you for a million dollars.

And Jerry would have told him, hell no, because Jerry would never be bigger than Tom.

And Jerry don't want nobody to be on the Cowboys to be bigger than him.

So that's not going to happen.

I don't get why he's doing it like this, but look,

they go.

I guess this is their, you know, how you have a negotiation in the media.

Right.

And when it should be negotiated behind closed doors, oh, well, X, Y, and Z, we negotiated.

We had

a deal done.

Michael said, well, hey,

hey, I don't even want to play for y'all no more.

Yeah.

Let me let me go.

Hey, let me go somewhere.

And Jerry's continuing to do this on purpose because it does what?

It keeps whose team in the media.

Yeah, in the media.

We're talking about them.

Yeah.

Because ain't nobody.

I mean, the only other team that we talk about

is Cleveland and Shador.

We really, if you really think about it, Ocho, we ain't really having a discussion about no, no, you know, we talk here and there about you know the bro match between Aaron Rodgers and Mike Tomlin.

I was just reading a little bit about uh uh

Matthew Stafford got something going on with his back or something, yeah.

But for the most part, Ocho,

it's the Cowboys, the Micah, Jerry, and you got Shador.

Yeah, that's pretty,

it's been a really relative quiet training camp cycle.

And, you know, Jerry's like, hey, let me, let me, let me start some ish.

Jerry, like, hey, ain't enough, ain't enough popping off for us right now.

Let me start some ish and uh and to see where this thing go.

Yeah.

The funny thing about it, what I don't like is, is

for Micah, I feel bad for Micah.

I feel bad for the Cowboys, the fans.

I feel bad for the players because I know that this is how your owner thinks of you.

If you can talk about your star players like that, you really know what he thinks about you.

And Jerry is

at a forefront and letting people know nobody runs this show with me.

And nobody

is bigger than my program.

Yeah.

Nobody bigger than my program.

Well, you look,

even, even the team,

Jerry, just so you know,

every team gets a check cut for $432 million.

Yeah.

So it's not like you're doing an outstanding job because you're not.

It sells itself.

At this point, it does.

Just like all the other teams, all the other teams sell themselves.

Granted, now, when it comes to the local market, they probably don't do what Jerry does because it's Dallas.

You know, obviously, they don't sell in Jacksonville or Cincinnati or Houston or Tennessee like they do.

Okay, fine.

But

they're not going to be in the line.

tomorrow either

but just keep doing it that way

he gonna get tired of Philly he gonna get tired of Philly and Washington running the divisions he get tired of it listen he would it's been 30 years if he was gonna get tired of it he would have he would have already picked up on how everyone else is doing things he's continued to do it his way he's setting his ways at

of course

he's not gonna change if i was the owner of any team I'd be taking notes.

Okay, this is what Kraft did.

This is what Belichick did.

Okay, this is what Howie and

Jeff did.

This is what Clark Hunt and Andy Reid, how they handle business.

Okay, let me let me see the Roonies.

The Roonies had success during this era.

All right, we're in a different era, but let me see if I can steal some of the things that they did and how they conducted business.

Let me add this to my and came up with my own game plan, my own formula on how to conduct things, draft right, pay early, keep certain people.

Man,

that's what they do.

They pay early.

We identify a guy.

We drafted him, he homegrown guy.

Let's get him a year three.

You know, they got Carloftis.

It's going to take a pretty penny to get McDuffie signed.

But, you know.

Are they going to sign McDuffie?

Because you let LeJerry Sneed.

Yeah,

they're not going to let him go.

Yeah.

They're not going to let him go.

Later in the presser, Jerry tried to use Dez Brad negotiation as reasoning for not wanting to work with Michael Parsons' agent.

Let's take a listen to what Jerry said about this.

Why would you yourself not talk to the agent?

Because the agent, when we have a problem with a team and a player, I don't ever find the agent.

He's nowhere to be found.

Okay?

Jay-Z said that Michael would make all, not Michael, but that Dez would make all meetings.

Jay-Z and I negotiated the contract.

We spent hours negotiating the contract.

Jay-Z.

And he said, anybody in my organization is on time.

He said, my office used to be on the street corner and I've always been early.

So they will be on time.

I said, where did I sign?

But I'm going to call you.

Finally, he quit taking my call.

I know Jared.

Jared drop snitched though, Daz.

What the hell?

What does that have to do with any goddamn thing, huh?

He said the reason why I don't like working with agents, because the agent told me that this client was going to be on time.

Right.

That's what he told me.

He said, I'm used to working on the street corner.

And if you work on the street corner, if you're late,

if you're early, you're late.

So you best believe I got.

If they're in this organization, which was Rock Nation, they're going to be on time.

This is this was a Deb's response.

Jerry Jones, I don't think it's smart mentioning my name.

I kept quiet about a lot of unfair-ish.

Oh, some G-ish.

We have a story time.

That's what we do it.

Yeah.

You know, you know, you know, you know, Dave's got he got his little piece, but you can't win that war.

Yeah.

You can't, there's, you can't, you can't win that war.

Nah.

You can't win that war.

And what, what I, what I, I wouldn't do.

I'm not getting into it.

I'm not getting into it.

Jerry is the type of tell all your business.

Yeah.

Oh, Joe, that's

okay.

Devs was late for meeting.

Okay.

Yeah, I get it.

Yeah.

Sure, who wasn't?

Because I was too.

But Jerry

might not like, hold on.

No, Jerry, you can't say that.

Oh, I was supposed to tell that much.

You, you know, Jerry, hey, hey, you know what, the old people, Ocho, when they measure, they don't really have no measuring.

They go by feel.

They go by, okay, this and that.

Ain't no measuring cup.

See,

some

coaches, owners might measure.

Okay.

Jared just pour.

Hey, listen.

If he can do

to Micah, who is of value to his franchise right now, what do you think he'll do to Diz, who is of no value right now

playing for you?

Yeah.

You know, so I went, and also I wouldn't want to, there's certain bridges I don't want to burn.

Yeah, for sure.

Certain bridges I don't want to burn because you never know when you might have to cross them again.

Yeah.

Dad, but

I'm sure dad was sitting on his couch.

Right.

No, Dad was probably playing

Madden.

So you say Dad's good with the sticks.

Yeah, yeah.

Dad's nice.

What the hell I got to do with this?

I mind my own business.

And

you bring me into this.

And you know what's funny is we have people on the outside, you know, looking at it.

Uh, they're they're just owners, and and I don't, I want people to understand how powerful,

how powerful these individuals are outside of the game of football.

I want people to understand.

So, when I when I just said there's certain bridges you don't want to burn, even if,

okay, you know what he said, something you don't like.

Well, you know what?

There's certain things you got to let go because you go in the war with something you will never be able to defeat, and it can ruin a lot of things for you outside.

If if, if you get what I'm saying,

them folks is very,

very, very, very powerful outside of football.

I think people don't, I don't, I, you know, I think people really don't, really don't understand the power that these individuals have.

Oh, yeah, they do.

I mean, that, I mean, the cat, just a regular, regular football fans, like people in the chat.

I don't

know how powerful these people are.

Yeah.

I told them Mr.

Bolin called and got my money back.

Oh, Cho.

I can,

if I give you the right tools, I can, you can probably win the war, but I got to give you the right weapons to go fight.

I don't know currently if Micah has the weapon to fight.

Now,

nope.

It's unfair.

Yep.

But now, I'm like,

hello.

How long Daz has been Dazz, how long you've been retiring?

Seven years?

Eight years?

I'm not sure why he even brought Dez's name up.

Yes.

Because here's the thing.

You could say that you didn't have to use Daz.

You could have said there have been times that the agent told me that player X was going to get treatment.

Player X was going to do X, Y, and Z.

Right.

When player X does not do that, and I try to get on the phone with the agent, now all of a sudden, he won't return the calls.

Now, but when we're negotiating money, he's calling me.

Right.

I got all it.

I got all his phone.

I got, I got his, I got his landline.

And you know, a whole lot of people ain't got landlines no more, but I got his landline.

I got the number to the secretary.

I got his personal phone number.

I got X, Y, and Z.

All I'm saying is he didn't have to use Dez.

It ain't make no sense.

He didn't have to use Dez.

It didn't make no sense.

And I could assure you, Dez is not, but Dead's, hey, just let it, just let it rock.

Let it slide.

You good.

Hey, you done made your money.

You straight.

You live in Dallas.

You got a nice life.

Don't mess it up with some petty bulljive.

It ain't even worth it, bro.

You know that.

I know it's frustrating that he dragging you into something you ain't got nothing to do with.

That's between Jerry Micah and David Mugletta.

Yeah.

They got nothing to do dazz brand dazz brand i don't know if there is an age i don't know if rock nation has a client on the cowboys i don't know

all i do know is that daz's name shouldn't have been brought up

when you're trying to make a point of why you don't like negotiating with agents right

but

All these million.

So let me, so I'm just saying you're throwing everybody under the bus, huh?

Jerry throwing everybody under the bus.

Reversing over him.

Yeah, Lee, what man, what we doing?

He backed up over.

But I thought that was the whole thing.

That's the whole thing about having an agent.

I mean, when Jerry, when Jerry, I guarantee you, when Jerry goes, negotiate these $100 million deals, Jerry send his $100 million lawyers in there to negotiate with the other companies, $100 million lawyers.

Right.

And you think him and Mooga Letta don't get along?

You think they got some personal issues or something?

No, Mooga Letter gonna be looking to reset the market.

Damn.

The same thing Todd Franz did when he got Dak's money.

Now,

I don't know who represents CD, but I know Todd Franz represents that.

Yeah.

So, yeah, I'm looking to reset the market because I want to keep climbing higher.

And I'm trying to get as much money as I guarantee.

Because

I'm trying to get

who got the most guaranteed money?

Miles Garrett, 123.

Okay.

I'm trying to get 140.

Because we're going to keep pushing it.

We're going to keep pushing it.

Oh, Lamar Jackson said, oh, did y'all see what Josh Allen got guaranteed?

I'm going to need that.

Because he got one MVP.

I got two.

Matter of fact, you know.

Should have had three.

You know,

shoot, Lamar going back to the table after this season.

Hell, Lamar tried to go back to the table before this season.

Yeah.

Well, it's going to happen.

I'm sure it hit the ticket at some point.

I'm just saying, hey, I'm just saying, look,

if you're talking about north of what Josh got, holler at your boy.

Yeah.

If that ain't what you're looking, if that ain't what you're looking for,

what we talking about.

Damn.

I mean, what's the bar?

28, 29?

He's straight.

He good.

Yeah.

Poor Dick.

Man, I can't believe Jerry be throwing everybody under the bar.

Man, Jerry don't care, man.

Buddy don't care man he thug jerry you do realize these first of all jared you do realize these are supposed to be private conversations

like when you talk to an agent you're supposed to be private this man mentioned jay-z by name he said i did a deal with jay-z myself so he gonna be on time say tell me where i signed at right there

hey man oh i had a conversation with mike in march at the big 12 championship at the super bowl right right

bro

Nothing to do with nothing.

This is this is business,

man.

Hey, I didn't find out, Jerry.

You wearing a wire?

You're telling all about you telling everybody business.

Oh,

Jerry put it out there, man.

Uh, yeah, Dave's responded.

I read the quote, Jerry Jones.

I don't think it's smart to mention my name.

I kept quiet about a lot of unfair-ish on some G-ish.

We can have story time if that's what we're doing.

Nah, just let it rock, Dez.

Let it rock, Dez.

Let it rock.

Rock Nation, Terrence Steele.

Oh, okay.

Terrence Steele, he's the right tackle on the Cowboys.

Rock Nation also responded.

In 2015, at the club.

at 21 Club on a napkin, Jerry Jones, Juan Perez, Sean Jay-Z Carter, and Stephen Jones negotiated a five-year, $70 million deal, which included $45 million guarantee and a $20 million signing bonus for Dev Bryant Bryant at the time, which was the second largest contract for a wide receiver in NFL history.

The claim that Mr.

Carter, a Rock Nation representative, did not return a call from Jerry Jones is not only a false statement, but it's also a comical one.

Rock Nation sports, you know, sports representative.

So now Jerry lying too.

Well, shoot, you know, who don't,

we all listen, but

he ain't handling business the right way.

He ain't handling business the right way.

Nope.

But guess what?

He don't care.

Definitely don't.

He don't care.

He don't care, Jay.

Definitely don't.

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Stop and call your your doctor right away if you have an allergic reaction, a lump or swelling in your neck, severe stomach pain, or vision changes.

Serious side effects may include inflamed pancreas and gallbladder problems.

Taking Manjaro with a sulfinyl norrhea or insulin may cause low blood sugar.

Tell your doctor if you're nursing pregnant plan to be or taking birth control pills and before scheduled procedures with anesthesia.

Side effects include nausea, diarrhea, and vomiting, which can cause dehydration and may cause kidney problems.

Once weekly Manjaro is available by prescription only in 2.55, 7.5, 10, 12.5, and 15 milligram per 0.5 milliliter injection.

Call 1-800-LILLIERX-800-545-5979 or visit Mountjaro.lilly.com for the Mount Jaro Indication and Safety Summary with Warnings.

Talk to your doctor for more information about Mount Jaro.

Mountjaro and its delivery device base are registered trademarks owned or licensed by Eli Lilly and Company, its subsidiaries or affiliates.

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