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Speaker 8 I'm tired.

Speaker 8 Yo,

Speaker 8 It's been a long, it's been a long.

Speaker 8 But anyway, thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. Y'all know me.
I am your favorite unc. And you can tell by my eyes and my voice, it's been a long weekend.

Speaker 8 And this guy, the co-host, Liberty City's own, he's the Madden Adjuster, ring of fame honoree. Pro Bowler, all-pro.
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Speaker 8 And guys, go subscribe to the nightcap podcast feed wherever you get your podcast from i want to personally thank each and every one of you for your support ocho and i realize that we can't do any of what we do without you so we greatly appreciate your support and your continued support because thank you thanks to you we've been able to win countless awards we've been places that we never even envisioned and it's all because of you so thank you from the bottom of the nightcap family's heart make sure you check out my uh shea by la portier we got a new drop it's a limited edition release honoring my brothers induction to the pro football hall of fame and we're the first brothers into the pro football hall of fame so 2500 bottles

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Speaker 8 That link is pinned into the chat. So

Speaker 8 first, first, first, first, first. Ocho this weekend.

Speaker 6 Tell me about it. Tell me about it.
Take your time, man. Take your time.

Speaker 8 Obviously, I went through this. I experienced this 14 years ago in 2011.

Speaker 8 And

Speaker 8 it was a great, it was unbelievable. I mean, it was a great honor,

Speaker 8 but this one topped it.

Speaker 8 This one topped it because of the significance of it, what my brother meant to me and Ocho to be in that Nitschke luncheon on Friday and hear Rod Woodson and hear Nias Williams and hear Daryl Green and some of the defensive players, be it Richard Dent and Johnny Randall, say, man, this was long overdue for your brother.

Speaker 8 To hear them say that, because I already knew it.

Speaker 8 You're preaching to the choir. I sing up here every Sunday.
So

Speaker 8 I ain't new to the congregation. I'm here.
I'm backing you up every week. So I know what he is.
I know what he was. And

Speaker 8 to see him finally get that recognition. And to my mom, you know, there'll be other moms that have sons in the Pro Football Hall of Fame, but they won't be first.
first.

Speaker 8 To have my sister and my coach who coached both of us, coached my entire family,

Speaker 8 my kids there, my sister-in-law and my niece, Susan and Summer, there to witness that and to experience that, Ocho, man.

Speaker 6 That's a great feeling, boy.

Speaker 8 Man, Ocho, man.

Speaker 8 I can't,

Speaker 8 it's hard for me to describe, Ocho.

Speaker 8 And,

Speaker 8 and I knew I would be emotional, even though I had already, you know, I was his presenter and I had already done my part via video. So I had did that a couple of weeks before.
And so I thought,

Speaker 8 but the more he talked, the more he talked.

Speaker 8 And

Speaker 8 when he says, I only have a couple of minutes left,

Speaker 8 but the last couple of minutes, I won't, I won't, I want you, you gotta come up here. Yeah.

Speaker 8 And when he called, and when he called me to the stage and I had no idea what he was going to say, he, you know, he didn't write anything down. He was the only one that didn't have notes.

Speaker 8 He didn't have anything. He said, I'm just going to speak from the heart.

Speaker 8 That's how, you know, that's pretty much how he does all his speaking.

Speaker 8 And

Speaker 8 to hear him say

Speaker 8 that everything he did was for an audience.

Speaker 8 He didn't care what you wrote about him. He didn't care what you said about him.

Speaker 8 None of that mattered.

Speaker 8 Because the only person that he wanted to impress was me.

Speaker 8 Everything that he did was because of me.

Speaker 8 And to hear him say, you know,

Speaker 8 you know, you can't lead

Speaker 8 without following.

Speaker 8 And to hear

Speaker 8 him,

Speaker 8 because it's almost like I'm like,

Speaker 8 it's replaying. the very the very words and how I felt about him, how I feel about him.
and to hear him say that

Speaker 8 and to know the relationship that he and I have. And I think people got an opportunity to see that on full display.

Speaker 8 Even on Friday night at the Gold Jacket presentation, when you know, you walk the gauntlet, you go through all the Hall of Famers. And we had a, we had almost a record, Joe, we had 111 members back.

Speaker 8 Now, mind you, of 382, my brother's the 382nd member of the Pro Football Hall of Fame. And if I'm not mistaken, I think there are 181 living living members.

Speaker 8 So that means they're over, they're 200, 201 that are no longer with us. Talking to Bobby Bell this morning, getting on the plane, he's 115.

Speaker 8 There's only six with a lower number than him that's still remaining.

Speaker 8 So, and then, you know, you know, seeing all that, but to be there and to experience it. Yeah.
Ocho,

Speaker 8 my brother's really not an emotional guy. Like I said, I think I've only a handful of times.
And like he said, when Papa died, he didn't cry.

Speaker 8 When daddy died, he didn't cry.

Speaker 8 When Granny passed, he didn't cry.

Speaker 8 But to be in his presence and to know what this moment meant to him,

Speaker 8 my brother don't let a whole lot of things bother him.

Speaker 8 But to be around him, Ocho, because I know him better than anybody.

Speaker 8 I know him better than anybody. I know what this moment meant to him.
I know what he felt.

Speaker 8 My sister just said, hell, I thought he was going to pick you up off the floor at the gold jacket ceremony.

Speaker 8 I said, yeah, and throw his back out in the process. But, Ocho, man,

Speaker 8 to see how he was walking around and to see

Speaker 8 the love and the kudos that he was getting from those other gold jacket wearers and the members and at his party and and to have the bust and to have his family um because we don't get we don't like i said ocho we don't get together much and and and i said we bro we got to do a better job of that i say look when you really cut it down to i said us is me you mama and libby

Speaker 8 my kids

Speaker 8 we and you know susan and some i said we got to do a better job bro we got to do a better job i said you know theoretically mom could out still outlive us long, but come on, we can do a better job than what we've been doing.

Speaker 8 But, Ocho, that was, that was the crown of the Chiefs there. Ain't nothing topping that.
Ain't nothing topping that, Ocho. Because

Speaker 8 there's,

Speaker 8 if you play a sport

Speaker 8 to go into your sports heaven, and that's what the Hall of Fame is, be it baseball, basketball, soccer, tennis, swimming,

Speaker 8 rock and roll Hall of Fame. If you go into your profession's heaven,

Speaker 8 that's what the hall of fame is you when you get there yeah okay

Speaker 8 okay

Speaker 8 now that's it that's it and man i i i cried uh uh i've been up all night um

Speaker 8 the

Speaker 8 the love and the respect that was shown to my brother

Speaker 6 Man. Yeah, I already listened you, boy, I already know.

Speaker 8 I already know.

Speaker 6 They got to be great.

Speaker 8 I post Jordan posted so much stuff. I'm like, well, damn.

Speaker 8 I'm looking at my feet.

Speaker 8 I'm like, well, damn.

Speaker 8 Did you go to sleep? You posted in the middle of the night. Because every time, collab, collab, post, post, post.
I'm like, well, damn.

Speaker 6 Somebody sent me something. They didn't have your information.
You saw this photo gallery I sent you?

Speaker 8 Uh-uh. You just sent me something.
No, this was a few days ago. Remember?

Speaker 8 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 6 They didn't have your information. Shoot, they sent me the whole photo gallery.

Speaker 8 Oh, man, it's, it's

Speaker 8 that moment, bro, and, you know, riding in the parade and everybody, because it's the Packers, the Packers traveled really well.

Speaker 8 And to see some of his teammates, because I don't know if you noticed, Ocho, when he sat down with me,

Speaker 8 I didn't know this at the time. I didn't.
I didn't know he never shared this. And so what he said on the pod with the first time, that when he had his neck surgery, no one called him.

Speaker 8 Not a teammate, not a coach, not a front office.

Speaker 8 We call hell getting him to accept

Speaker 8 them doing this party.

Speaker 8 I said, because what I told him, I said, now you have to understand the people that's in place

Speaker 8 weren't in place then.

Speaker 8 I said, now,

Speaker 8 I'm not saying that your

Speaker 8 anger isn't warranted. I said, but in this situation, it's misplaced.

Speaker 8 The people that you should be upset with.

Speaker 8 Yeah, they looked there.

Speaker 8 They were there. And I didn't know, like I said, Ocho, I didn't know that.
I did, Ocho, the man, there's a chance that he could have been paralyzed

Speaker 8 from

Speaker 8 neck down. He could have been a quadriplegic.

Speaker 8 Now, mind you,

Speaker 8 last season, he still has tied for the third most receiving touchdowns in a single season, and he never played another season.

Speaker 8 So he goes under the knife and not know, not just imagine, Ocho, you go through a surgery that you could be paralyzed or worse.

Speaker 8 The owner, a coach, a teammate, not even TJ, not Carson,

Speaker 8 not the general manager, not your head coach, not even you, Jack.

Speaker 8 No one calls you and checks you on you.

Speaker 8 Listen,

Speaker 6 that tells you all you need to, all you need to know, though. You hear me? So think about the people you just named.

Speaker 6 Think about the people you just named. Nothing is even wrong with me.
And everybody you just named, I talk to at least

Speaker 8 three times a month.

Speaker 6 Mind you, I am of no value to Marvin Lewis anymore. I'm of no value to Hugh Jackson anymore.
Hell, TJ, me and TJ, we in a group chat with about 20 bangles.

Speaker 8 So that's a

Speaker 6 constant

Speaker 6 form of communication but that that would hurt so bad

Speaker 6 it did the people that i went to war with the people that i'm playing for

Speaker 6 not giving me a call with with the extent of my injury with a chance i could be paralyzed and i can't play ball no more and nobody reached out not a flower not a

Speaker 8 card i'm

Speaker 8 dang i'm sorry

Speaker 8 but

Speaker 8 so i think that that that bothered him the most

Speaker 8 and uh

Speaker 8 he's still I was like bro, you know, and and he's he's finally like like letting it go because my my brother, you know, he you know, he he's

Speaker 8 he don't hit you over the head with it, but

Speaker 8 carries his Bible. He goes to church, he reads the scripture.
So he's and so he's learned, Ocho, that I, I've got to let this go.

Speaker 8 He says, I can't be what I'm proclaiming to be if I still have this in my heart. And so, but it was, it was tough for him.

Speaker 8 I'm number, I'm member 267.

Speaker 8 He's member 382.

Speaker 8 I think they said over 30,000 men have played this game, coached this game, owned the team, been a general manager.

Speaker 8 30,000.

Speaker 8 382 men have a gold jacket.

Speaker 8 They said over 300, what is it, 300

Speaker 8 men have played the game of football? Let that sink in on your 300 million.

Speaker 8 So my mom, my mom's like, I got two boys.

Speaker 8 Tell me about, I probably need to scan, and I might have another son out there somewhere. I say, you don't.

Speaker 8 You don't.

Speaker 8 You ain't got another son. You ain't got another daughter.
I promise you.

Speaker 8 This is all you got.

Speaker 8 You got what you got. Daddy, hey, you told daddy shop was closed after me.
You say, hey, when they ask you, they say,

Speaker 8 Papa asks you, say, well,

Speaker 8 Alice,

Speaker 8 what you want?

Speaker 8 Daddy, I don't give a damn if it's a lizard. I'm done.

Speaker 8 So

Speaker 8 you got what you got, Mama. That's it.
But she was happy.

Speaker 8 My coach.

Speaker 8 Coach Hall, like I said, you know, he was there, coached all my uncles. My uncle

Speaker 8 started graduating high school in

Speaker 8 1966.

Speaker 8 I graduated in 86.

Speaker 8 He taught for 50 years.

Speaker 8 And having him there.

Speaker 8 But, Ojo, I don't know if you saw this. I know you couldn't pick it up.
But at the Gold Jacket ceremony, what they did, they started to do it. I don't know when they started it.

Speaker 8 This is my first time back since 2019. Is that...
Obviously, you walk the gauntlet.

Speaker 8 You know, so you have four guys, two walk this way, two guys walk that way, and you got all the the hall of fames and they give a congratulations welcome to the fraternity welcome to the brotherhood then you get up on stage and then i was really the only presenter that was actually there

Speaker 8 uh

Speaker 8 uh dean spanos who presented uh

Speaker 8 uh

Speaker 8 No, his dad. His dad was.
Yeah, his dad was there. I think his dad was there.
Jared Allen's dad was there. Put the code on him.
Marcus put the code on Eric Allen. And then

Speaker 8 LT, Ladane and Thomason put it on Gates, Antonio Gates.

Speaker 8 But anyway, and so, you know, they come up, they bring your family out, they bring, let your kid, your wife come up, your kids come up, your mom, X, Y, and Z. So Jared Allen,

Speaker 8 family, Jared Allen families come up there, and everybody, he's excited. You know, his wife is excited.
The girls come running to him.

Speaker 8 I think one of his daughters had on cowboy boots. So these cowboy.

Speaker 8 But anyway, you know, he got his signature, his signature boot, Ocho. You know what he do? He calf rope.
He goes out on one knee and hit the camera, tie it up.

Speaker 8 He goes down on one knee, calf rip that thing.

Speaker 8 Then his pants.

Speaker 8 So where I am, I can see. I was like, I think he ripped his pants.

Speaker 8 From the back of his knee all the way up to the top of his belt.

Speaker 8 Yeah, so now they got to rush over and get, they got to rush over because the hotel is really close by where they were staying. They got to rush over, get a police escort, and get him a pair of pants.

Speaker 8 Cause, you know. Hey, that's funny.

Speaker 6 That's funny.

Speaker 8 But

Speaker 8 there's a clip out there. And I know we didn't get a chance to vet it and we don't know who it belongs to, but there's a clip out there.
And you can see him. He grabs the back.
He grabs.

Speaker 8 At first, I thought he had tweeted. I said, damn, you tweet your hamstring.
You don't do no, you know. But then...
As he started to move, I was like, nah, bro, you ripped, you ripped him.

Speaker 8 And he really did. But it was great to see, like I said, I know Gates.
Gates, my guy, like a little brother to me. And to see, played against Eric Allen.

Speaker 8 I played against EA in Philly and when he was at the Raiders because he was chasing me in the end zone. And who else? Jared Allen.
Jared retired. He came to Kansas City the year I retired.
And

Speaker 8 who else? EA Gates.

Speaker 8 That was it. Nah, who else? Oh, yeah, obviously played against my brother twice.

Speaker 8 But oh, Joe, it was unbelievable.

Speaker 8 They're doing so much they're they're building it up now um they're trying to do more for the uh the players that are in the hall of fame but it's a it's an unbelievable it's an unbelievable experience and uh

Speaker 6 that's dope that's live

Speaker 8 yeah god i don't know what i did to deserve all this what you've done for my family but i appreciate it oh cho but we got a big story

Speaker 8 the biggest story hold on hold on go ahead hold on hold on i need my chapstick i need a cooney hold on hold on go ahead go ahead

Speaker 8 Yeah, man.

Speaker 8 Ooh. There's a lot of verbiage.

Speaker 8 Aya, aya, aya.

Speaker 8 Huh?

Speaker 8 Yeah.

Speaker 8 It's gonna take us a couple of minutes to get through all this verbiage.

Speaker 8 I'm going to start to read as

Speaker 8 Ocho's coming back.

Speaker 8 And this is Micah and Jerry. They've kind of been going back and forth over the weekend.

Speaker 8 Micah posted a lengthy message on social media on Friday, concluding with a statement that he no longer wants to play for the Cowboys. Yes, I wanted to be there.

Speaker 8 I did everything I could to show that I wanted to be a cowboy and wear the star on my helmet. I wanted to play in front of the best fans in sports and make America's team, Murray's team once again.

Speaker 8 The team, my pops and I grew up cheering for way up in Harrisburg, PA. He is from Harrisburg, Ocho.
You know, normally Harrisburg. Normally, that's Steeler or Eagles country.

Speaker 8 A lot of people like the Steelers up in Harrisburg. But hey, if, you know, if you're in Pennsylvania and you root for the Eagles, I mean, you got two teams.

Speaker 8 But if you root for the Eagles, I ain't going to hold that against you. If you root for the Steelers, I'm not going to hold that against you.
But think about it.

Speaker 8 He is in Steelers, eagle territory, and he and his pops are Cowboys fans. Unfortunately,

Speaker 8 I no longer want to be here. I no longer want to be held to a closed-door negotiation without my agent present.

Speaker 8 I no longer want shots taken at me for getting injured while laying it on the line for the organization, our fans, my teammates. I no longer want narratives created and spread to the media about me.

Speaker 8 I knew I would be leaving money on the table, but again, I was okay with that. Again, radio silenced

Speaker 8 my my extension in march i met with mr jones to talk about leadership somehow the conversation turned into him talking about contract with me yes i engaged back and forth in regards to what i wanted from my contract but at no point did i believe this was supposed to be a form of negotiation that and i informed mr jones after

Speaker 8 My agent would reach out thinking get things done. I stayed quiet, but again, after repeated shots at myself and all these narratives, I made a tough decision.

Speaker 8 I no longer want to play for the Cowboys. My trade request has been submitted to Stephen Jones personally.

Speaker 8 Ocho, take off. What's your take on this?

Speaker 6 I just, I just, I don't understand.

Speaker 6 It's one thing for owners to think a certain way,

Speaker 6 to not really value the people that the players that lay it all on the line for you, but you have a certain way of conducting yourself.

Speaker 6 You already have a history of things that are frowned upon when it comes to

Speaker 8 us anyway, way, way back.

Speaker 6 I don't need to bring that up, but to continue to show us during the Kaepernick era time as well, the one owner that came out and said, all our players will be standing up

Speaker 8 and hold the line.

Speaker 6 If you play for my team, and just to see how he conducts business and the way he does business, despite being the most

Speaker 6 profitable franchise of all sports.

Speaker 6 the way he did CD, the way he did Ezekiel Elliott, the way he did Dak.

Speaker 6 Now the way he's doing Michael Parsons, this time, even going a little further across the line and talking about him in a way like, well, even if we do pay him, he might not be available like he was last year.

Speaker 8 Like, you don't, you don't, you don't say that.

Speaker 6 You don't say stuff like that as the owner when he's busting his ass for you and your team. Obviously, do what his job is and what you pay him to do.

Speaker 6 Injuries are a part of a sport, but to hear your, your owner, the one who signed the check, to say it and to say how he really feels publicly to the world.

Speaker 6 That's the kind of stuff like it gets out, it slips out because somebody recorded it. Somebody stuck a conversation, but he just like proudly,

Speaker 8 he blurted it out.

Speaker 6 He didn't know how he feels about you. How could you want to line up and put that hat on? How could you want to wear that star outside of just doing it for the money?

Speaker 8 See, if we talk about it, Ocho, that's why I like to have somebody, because he might have told the agent that, but the agent never would have come back and told you that.

Speaker 6 Exactly why you never want to be a part of, why you never want to be a part of negotiations because the real them comes out. And the agent never discloses it.
Right. Because you will be upset.

Speaker 6 Everybody will be upset on how they feel about you. Cause when it comes to business, they are shrewd.

Speaker 8 Right.

Speaker 8 This is what they do. This is not what you do.
I don't have a problem. I think Bobby Wagner was one of the first ones that says, you know, I no longer have an agent.

Speaker 8 I'm going to negotiate my own contract. I think Sherm does that.
I think we saw Lamar and his mom negotiate their own contract. I don't have a problem with that.

Speaker 8 If you say I'm going to be my own representative, I'm going to engage in these talks with whomever, be it Jerry, Stephen, or whomever is doing this contract negotiations. I'm cool with that.

Speaker 8 But if I tell you I have representation, don't try to get isolate me. And back back though, you, you know, buddy, buddy, buddy.
That's why I have representation because this is what they do.

Speaker 8 I'm giving him a percentage of the total contract because I want him to negotiate on my behalf. So that's why Jerry had him going all these places.
Hey, Michael, come on, fly on the plane.

Speaker 8 Because he's trying to be a bad person. No, no, no, no.
Now, if Michael says, you know what, Jerry, you're right. I can do this on my own.
And then that way I don't have to give David his agent.

Speaker 8 I won't have to give him 2%, 3%, or whatever the case may be, whatever he charges. I just keep that for myself.
But that's not what Michael said. Michael says, hey, I have an agent.

Speaker 8 He's like, I thought this was the start of the negotiation. Hey, hey, David Mugaletta is looking forward to hearing from you.
Hey, told him we had a great conversation. He'll take it from here.

Speaker 8 Jared thought they had a done deal.

Speaker 6 No.

Speaker 8 No.

Speaker 8 No, no.

Speaker 8 No.

Speaker 6 Hey, but Uncle This is the part I don't understand. This goes for everybody also in the chat.
You have certain players. You have special players that come along.

Speaker 6 I call them no-brainers. I call them players that are no-brainers.
When they come in, when they get drafted and you watch them play year to year, it's a no-brainer when it's time to pay them.

Speaker 6 Micah Parsons is a no-brainer. The Jamar Chases are no-brainers.
The Justin Jeffersons are no-brainers. Amar Ross St.
Brown, I'm just using receivers for perspective.

Speaker 8 Those are no-brainers.

Speaker 6 You know, there's no reason to play a game when it comes to a player of that magnitude. Even if they're

Speaker 6 whatever the books may say.

Speaker 6 Like stuff like that. Well, you know what?

Speaker 6 We have one player on defense. It's our superstar

Speaker 6 everything the ball the ball should have been rolling huh the season started another three weeks what are we talking why are we still talking about contract with the no-brainer

Speaker 8 yeah because think about it what it cost to bingers it cost them an extra six million dollars a year or next to 24 million dollars over four years because you waited a year it probably cost you an extra 30 million dollars in guarantees because you waited an extra year So you have to pay a tax.

Speaker 8 You have to pay a penalty. If you're late, let me ask you a question.
If you're late on your rent, you pay a penalty.

Speaker 8 If you late, if you got something at the court and you're late, if you owe Uncle Sam, there's a penalty for being late.

Speaker 8 If you negotiate my contract late, there is a penalty for said service.

Speaker 8 Now,

Speaker 8 with all that being said, Jerry didn't have to say any of that, but Jerry's just going to show you. See, now Jerry, he's got to let you know who's in charge.
We already know. We already know.
Because

Speaker 8 it is reported that as the representative has been trying to reach out, Jerry ain't returned no card.

Speaker 8 Absolutely.

Speaker 8 To prove

Speaker 8 what point he's trying to prove, I have no idea.

Speaker 8 I'm not sure. I'll run this show.

Speaker 8 I'll pay you when I get ready. Like you do me.

Speaker 8 Like you do me over, 50,000.

Speaker 8 You basically told me I'm going to pay you.

Speaker 6 I ain't say that. I mean, I told you.

Speaker 8 No, you're actually.

Speaker 6 Baby, I'm not Jerry. I don't like like that comparison.
Don't do me like that.

Speaker 8 Don't own,

Speaker 8 yeah, you. This is we come up on a year.

Speaker 8 It's a penalty for being late.

Speaker 6 I got you. I got one thing about it.
Thank you, Martin.

Speaker 6 I got you.

Speaker 8 I need to see, you got it, but I need to get it.

Speaker 8 You know, hey, you know,

Speaker 8 I can light right now, Joe.

Speaker 8 Pocket light right now. Good sense, pockets light.

Speaker 8 That's why I love you. That's why I love that.

Speaker 8 That's what I need. Come on, come on back home.

Speaker 8 That's what I need. Thank you.
Thank you. Thank you.

Speaker 8 That's the Danny I need. Let's go.

Speaker 8 We're going to be all right.

Speaker 8 But we're going to be all right. I'm telling you, we good.

Speaker 8 Hey, Ty Tripper said, we're going to be all right.

Speaker 8 And Micah, Micah said, when you're back in the corner, the hell, I don't want to be here no more.

Speaker 8 Hey, if you think, I tell you what, if you upset, talk about I might not be here, I missed six games, trade me. Yeah,

Speaker 8 see what the market is and trade me.

Speaker 6 Listen, but hey, he, if, if, if Jerry was to play, but obviously, you know, he's not gonna do that, but you know, Micah could reset the market by what?

Speaker 8 Oh, he's gonna reset the market.

Speaker 8 I mean, I'm, I'm,

Speaker 8 I definitely believe he can get 45. Easy,

Speaker 8 I believe. I believe he can get 45.
Uh, whatever Miles get, whatever Miles Gary got in guaranteed money. I think he got Miles got 123.

Speaker 8 he can go what he can go 140.

Speaker 6 but this is the only part i don't like is whatever team he goes to it wouldn't be a contender it'd be a team that has a lot of room a lot of salary cap room so they'll be able to pay him that

Speaker 8 eagles will trade for him that's not fair

Speaker 6 the commanders are definitely trading eagles that's not fair that's that's not fair If he was to go to the Eagles and they gave up whatever compensation they would want for Michael Parsons, then you might as well hand him the goddamn Lombardi now.

Speaker 6 Just go ahead and give it to him.

Speaker 8 Well, you what jerry said he worried about him missing time he won't have to worry about it he don't have to worry about paying him and he ain't got to worry about him getting injured and missing time on his dime so with that being said but like i like like and at some point in time it's just like bro what what are we doing here i i get it i get it you own the team

Speaker 8 You said, hey, I'm in my fifth year. We could have done something after year four.
I mean, year three. We could have done something after year four.
So now

Speaker 8 we're into my

Speaker 8 option. You picked up my fifth year player option that's where we are right now

Speaker 8 after four pro bowls two three first team all pros defensive

Speaker 6 12 sacks four years in a row come on hang

Speaker 8 is that what so is that what we're doing right now jerry really

Speaker 6 really that's what we're doing it could it could listen i i can't say it couldn't be me because

Speaker 6 i'm i'm just trying to Jerry said this is negotiating no show he said we're negotiating now but it's a shrewd business it's a shrewd business and the fact that he he let his feelings

Speaker 6 out publicly like that,

Speaker 6 it says all you need to know.

Speaker 8 It says all you have to know.

Speaker 6 I understand.

Speaker 8 I think you and I, look, we've played sports and we've been in the, we negotiate.

Speaker 8 When negotiation gets personal, you got to be careful, Ocho.

Speaker 8 You got to be careful. In any type of negotiation,

Speaker 8 whatever the case may be,

Speaker 8 If it starts to get personal,

Speaker 8 one side will start to build up a resentment towards the other side. Right.

Speaker 8 But

Speaker 8 and then even when he gets the money, they still feel a certain way.

Speaker 6 And then the other person that gave you the money still feels a certain funny thing about it is, regardless for us as the player, we're never in a position of leverage.

Speaker 6 We're never in a, we're never in a position of power.

Speaker 8 But what it does is unless you let unless, unless you're like, you know what, you turn out to be a, you're like, damn, I'm balling. I'm rook defensive rookie of the year.
I'm all pro.

Speaker 8 And I really just sit on my money and i'm i'm willing to say okay y'all playing i see y'all week eight so i can get that i'll see y'all week eight so i get that best of year come in get me another quick eight sacks now what y'all gonna do

Speaker 8 y'all play y'all play i play

Speaker 8 yeah

Speaker 8 but see that's the thing

Speaker 8 if you didn't have see Jerry knows he has leverage. He has a fifth year player option, which is this year, and he has two franchise tags.

Speaker 8 So just imagine,

Speaker 8 just imagine, see, Dak, you see what Dak wrote in his contracts?

Speaker 8 No franchise tags. Yeah.

Speaker 8 But he

Speaker 8 no franchise tags.

Speaker 6 Quarterback. He can do that.

Speaker 8 Put that in there.

Speaker 8 Hey, no, you can't franchise me because that's the leverage that they got. Because I got, I got theoretically, Mike, I got you for this year and two more.

Speaker 8 Damn.

Speaker 6 that's a it's it's unbelievable the game the game that they play you already know how they feel right

Speaker 6 you already know how they feel about you you know it's one thing that they say and i i hate to bring it up because the first thing when you when you compare the nfl to a certain term they want to use the first people first thing people bring up well you get paid millions

Speaker 6 but it's modern day you know what but you get paid millions

Speaker 6 you know but that's that's neither here nor there but just to hear jerry say it, just the fact that he uttered the words with confidence

Speaker 6 out of care in the world about your star player. And then he took a shot at Dak.

Speaker 8 What are we doing?

Speaker 8 Well, look, Dak realized he's the quarterback. Dak is the leader of the team, yes.
But he and Jerry, it's not like...

Speaker 8 See, Jerry had a relationship with Tony Romo.

Speaker 8 Dak is always hiding posed Jerry

Speaker 8 because it was Jerry that wanted to give Tony Romo his job back.

Speaker 9 That wasn't happening.

Speaker 8 Oh,

Speaker 8 he kind of got, you know, Stephen and I think Jason Garrett and a few others like, Jerry, what are you doing?

Speaker 8 Are you serious?

Speaker 8 Even after all those injuries that

Speaker 8 Tony Romo, he paid it.

Speaker 8 He ain't mentioned nothing about no injury.

Speaker 8 He mentioned nothing about that. And at one point in time, Tony Romo was the highest paid player in the NFL.

Speaker 8 Hey.

Speaker 8 Without blinking.

Speaker 6 Funny thing about that.

Speaker 8 Jerry also spoke to reporters about Michael Trey requests. Let's take a listen to what Jerry had to say.

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Speaker 8 Man,

Speaker 8 he said something very interesting.

Speaker 8 He says, Michael's under contract. But what about when players are under contract and they get cut?

Speaker 6 You know, they don't care.

Speaker 8 Especially, they don't.

Speaker 8 You see how one-sided. You talk, oh, we have contracts, we have rules, but the rules are one-sided.
If I outperform the contract, want a new contract, you say, whoa, whoa, you under contract.

Speaker 8 If I underperform the contract that I signed, you say, you got to go.

Speaker 8 You see,

Speaker 8 this is what players should be. This is why they fight so hard to try to get guaranteed money.

Speaker 8 This is what you should be, instead of petty privileges, instead of worried about tour days and worry about how many padded practices you have during the course of the year, these are the things that true leadership in the NFLPA, this is what you should be fighting for.

Speaker 8 I'm getting rid of the, no, we're not doing no franchise tag.

Speaker 8 Look,

Speaker 8 if I'm at a normal job and I'm on a my contract is coming up, they can't say, well, we're going to franchise you. And if I work for Google, that means I can't go talk to Apple.

Speaker 8 or I can't go talk to Microsoft. No.

Speaker 8 Free agency, how can you be free if you can't, you under tag? They got a tag on you. Free agency means I'm free to negotiate wherever.

Speaker 8 And there can't be a cap because whatever the market will bear. I just saw

Speaker 8 Mark Zuckerberg just pay a guy, AI guy, 250 million, gave 100 million up front.

Speaker 8 That's what free agency is.

Speaker 8 All I'm saying is, gives and i'm gonna get i just hope the next person is the nflpa

Speaker 8 this is some this is some of the things

Speaker 8 health benefits no sal no uh franchise tag

Speaker 8 no freight franchise

Speaker 6 contracts

Speaker 8 yeah man because i you you can't oh joe you can't have it both ways you can negotiate with me when you want to but you can also cut me when you want to

Speaker 8 so if i outperform the contract, you say you got a contract. I underperformed the contract, you didn't perform up to the standard, and so now you got to.

Speaker 6 You got to be careful. They need somebody.

Speaker 6 All right. I know you think you view me, you view me as the fun, the love, the entertainment, the jokes, and the laughter, but they need somebody shrewd that could be shrewd right back.

Speaker 6 When it comes to conducting business, you got to be someone that's fighting for the players, not minimizing the players and pretending like I'm for you, but really siding on the other end.

Speaker 6 Man, listen, you know how we talk.

Speaker 6 The NFL owners don't want to lose the leverage. Baseball, players have the leverage.
Basketball, the players have the leverage.

Speaker 6 All sports where contracts are guaranteed, the players have the leverage. I think because so many players on a team, NFL owners don't want to lose the leverage of the players.

Speaker 8 Right. Yeah.
I'm like, guess what? And I don't know when this back injury, hey, I ain't putting no Ben Gay on it either. So I don't know when this back issue, because it flares up.

Speaker 8 Every time I go to put that helmet on, my back starts to hurt. Don't you?

Speaker 6 Every time.

Speaker 8 He could play hardball.

Speaker 6 He could play hardball. But listen,

Speaker 6 with owners, GMs, everyone that sits in a position of power on the NFL team, what they will use against you is they know you'll probably fold before I do because you love the game.

Speaker 8 Love of the game.

Speaker 6 You love the game.

Speaker 8 Yep.

Speaker 6 They're banking on it. They're banking on it.

Speaker 8 You're going to fold before they do.

Speaker 6 So you, hey, you got, you got to play hardball.

Speaker 6 How hard do you want to play the game? Because they're going to play with you. They're going to test you.

Speaker 8 Yeah.

Speaker 8 You see how agitated he got? I negotiated a mark.

Speaker 6 I answered the question already.

Speaker 8 No, Michael said he thought you were talking about leadership.

Speaker 8 He referred you to his agent. You asking me? Yeah, we're asking you.
But we talked to Micah, too.

Speaker 6 Listen, can you imagine? Hey, chat,

Speaker 6 I don't mean,

Speaker 6 I'm not really into hypotheticals, but could you imagine if Jeffrey Lurie and Howie Roseman ran the Cowboys? Can you imagine if they were the ones in charge of

Speaker 8 with the talent that they had?

Speaker 8 Because they've drafted like the second, they've drafted like the second most since, what, 2014? Maybe the second. They might be first with the Chiefs as far as a Pro Bowl player.
Imagine.

Speaker 6 Because

Speaker 8 how many times have they been the number one seed and got bounced in the first round or the second round?

Speaker 8 With that talent.

Speaker 8 Hold on. When they had the best running back in football, Zeke Elliott, the best offensive line in football, and

Speaker 8 when they were putting eight, nine, ten guys into the Pro Bowl.

Speaker 8 When they had those teams with Romo and Witten and

Speaker 8 and they had the marcus wear and they had all those guys

Speaker 6 boy with knife but they were loaded boy they were loaded but i think i'm not sure why jerry can't can't can't get it or can't see it jerry won't credit you look at the patriots right look at all the teams that are successful every season every season the patriots when they their dynasty and they they good years you had belichek you had tom brady forget that part where did it start huh

Speaker 8 mr craft and the only time you heard from mr Kraft is when he was taking the trophy out of Roger Dale.

Speaker 6 Everything starts at the top. Winning stars from the front of the office and it trickles all the way down.

Speaker 8 Right.

Speaker 8 Eagles. But Jerry wants it to be about him.

Speaker 8 That's why people are like, oh, Tom Brady should go to the Tom Brady should go to the Cowboys.

Speaker 8 Boy, you

Speaker 8 Tom Brady say, Jerry, I'll play for you for a million dollars. And Jerry would have told him, hell no, because Jerry would never be bigger than Tom.

Speaker 8 And Jerry don't want nobody to be on the Cowboys to be bigger than him.

Speaker 8 So that's not going to happen.

Speaker 8 I don't get why he's doing it like this. But look,

Speaker 8 they go, I guess this is their, you know, how you have a negotiation in the media. And when it should be negotiated behind closed doors, oh, well, X, Y, and Z, we negotiated.

Speaker 8 We had a deal done. Michael said, well, hey.
I want to, hey, I don't even want to play for y'all no more.

Speaker 8 Let me, let me go. Hey, let me know.

Speaker 6 Jerry continue to do this on purpose because it does what? It keeps whose team in the head.

Speaker 8 Yeah, in the media, we're talking about it.

Speaker 8 Because ain't nobody, I mean, are we, I mean, the only other team that we talk about

Speaker 8 is Cleveland and Shadou.

Speaker 8 We really, if you really think about it, Ocho, we ain't really having a discussion about no, no, you know, we talk here and there about, you know, the bro match between Aaron Rodgers and Mike Tomlin.

Speaker 8 I was just reading a little bit about

Speaker 8 Matthew Stafford got something going on with his back or something. But for the most part, Ocho,

Speaker 8 it's the Cowboys, the Micah, Jerry, and you got your door.

Speaker 8 It's been a relative quiet training camp cycle.

Speaker 8 And, you know, Jerry's like, hey,

Speaker 8 let me start some ish.

Speaker 8 Jerry's like, hey,

Speaker 8 ain't enough popping off for us right now. Let me start some ish and

Speaker 8 to see where this thing goes.

Speaker 6 The funny thing about it, what I don't like is

Speaker 6 for Micah, I feel bad for Micah. I feel bad for the Cowboys, the fans.
I feel bad for the players because to know that this is how your owner thinks of you.

Speaker 6 If you can talk about your star players like that, you only know what he thinks about you.

Speaker 8 And Jerry

Speaker 6 is at a forefront and letting people know nobody

Speaker 6 runs this show with me, and nobody

Speaker 6 bigger than my program.

Speaker 8 Well, you look,

Speaker 8 even the team,

Speaker 8 Jerry, just so you know,

Speaker 8 every team gets a check cut for 432 million.

Speaker 8 So it's not like you're doing an outstanding job because you're not.

Speaker 8 It sells itself.

Speaker 6 At this point, it does.

Speaker 8 Just like all the other teams, all the other teams sell themselves.

Speaker 8 Granted, now, when it comes to the local market, they probably don't do what Jerry does because it's Dallas, you know.

Speaker 8 Obviously, they don't sell in Jacksonville or Cincinnati or Houston or Tennessee like they do. Okay, fine.

Speaker 8 But

Speaker 8 they're not going to be in the line tomorrow either.

Speaker 8 But just keep doing it that way.

Speaker 8 He's going to get tired of Philly. He's going to get tired of Philly and Washington running the divisions.
He'll get tired.

Speaker 6 It's been 30 years. If he was going to get tired of it,

Speaker 6 he would have already picked up on how everyone else is doing things. He's continued to do it his way.
He's setting his ways at this.

Speaker 8 Of course, of course.

Speaker 8 If I was the owner of any team, I'd be taking notes.

Speaker 6 Okay, this is what Kraft did. This is what Belichick did.
Okay, this is what Howie and

Speaker 6 Jeff did.

Speaker 8 This is what Clark Hunt and Andy Reid, how they handle business.

Speaker 6 Let me see the Rooney. The Rooney's had success during this era.
All right, we're in a different era, but let me see if I can steal some of the things that they did and how they conducted business.

Speaker 6 Let me add this to my and came up with my own game plan, my own formula on how to conduct things, draft right, pay early, keep certain people. Man,

Speaker 8 boy, that's what they do. They pay early.
You identify a guy. We drafted him.
He's homegrown guy. Let's get him a year three.

Speaker 8 You know, they got Carloftis. It's going to take a pretty penny to get McDuffie signed.

Speaker 6 Are they going to sign McDuffie? Because you let LeGeria Sneed.

Speaker 8 Yeah,

Speaker 8 they're not going to let him go.

Speaker 8 They're not going to let him go.

Speaker 8 Later in the presser, Jerry tried to use Dez Brad negotiation as reasoning for not wanting to work with Michael Parsons agent. Let's take a listen to what Jerry said about this.

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Speaker 8 I know Jared, Jared dropped snitched on this.

Speaker 6 What does that have to do with any goddamn thing, huh?

Speaker 8 He said the reason why I don't like working with agents because the agent told me that this client was going to be on time. That's what he told me.
He said, I'm used to working on the street corner.

Speaker 8 And if you work on the street corner, if you're late,

Speaker 8 if you're early, you're late. So you best believe I got, if they're in this organization, which was Rock Nation, they're going to be on time.

Speaker 8 This was Deb's response. Jerry Jones, I don't think it's smart mentioning my name.
I kept quiet about a lot of unfair-ish. Oh, some G-ish.
We have a story time. That's what we do.

Speaker 6 Yeah. You know, you know, you know, you know, Dez got, he got his little piece, but you can't win that war.

Speaker 6 You can't, there's you can't, you can't win that war, you know, you can't win that war. And what, what I, what I, I wouldn't do,

Speaker 8 uh,

Speaker 8 I'm not getting into it. I'm not because Jerry, see, Jerry is the type to tell all your business, not so he, oh, Joe, that's

Speaker 8 okay. Dez was late for meeting, okay, yeah, I get it.
Who wasn't? Because I was too,

Speaker 8 but Jerry

Speaker 8 might not might like, hold on, no, Jerry, you can't say that. Oh, I was supposed to tell that much.

Speaker 8 You know, Jerry, hey, hey, you know, the old people, Ocho, when they measure, they don't really have no measuring. They go by feel.
They go by, okay, this and that. Ain't no measuring cup.
See,

Speaker 8 some,

Speaker 8 you know, coaches, owners might measure. Okay, I get a little bit.
Jerry just poor. If he can do

Speaker 6 to Micah, who is of value to his franchise right now, what do you think he'll do to Diz, who is of no value right now?

Speaker 6 You know, so I would, and also, I wouldn't want to. There are certain bridges I don't want to burn,

Speaker 6 certain bridges I don't want to burn because you never know when you might have to cross them again.

Speaker 8 Yeah,

Speaker 8 forget,

Speaker 8 I'm sure that I'm sure Dez was sitting on his couch.

Speaker 8 No, no, Dad, no, Dez was probably playing a

Speaker 8 Madden because you say Dad's good. Yeah, yeah, that's nice.

Speaker 8 Dad's probably saying, what the hell I got to do with this? I'm minding my own business. And

Speaker 8 you bring me into this.

Speaker 6 You know what's funny is we have people on the outside, you know, looking at it.

Speaker 6 They're just owners. And

Speaker 6 I want people to understand how powerful, how powerful these individuals are outside of the game of football.

Speaker 6 I want people to understand. So when I just said there's certain bridges you don't want to burn, even if,

Speaker 6 okay, you know what he says, something you don't like? Well, you know what?

Speaker 6 There's certain things you got to let go because you go in the war with something you will never be able to defeat, and it can ruin a lot of things for you outside.

Speaker 6 If you get what I'm saying,

Speaker 6 them folks is very,

Speaker 6 very, very, very powerful outside of football. I think people don't, I don't, you know, I think people really don't, really don't understand the power that these individuals have.

Speaker 8 Oh, yeah, they do.

Speaker 6 I mean, I mean, the cat, just a regular football fans, like people in the the chat. I don't think they are.

Speaker 8 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. People are.
Yeah,

Speaker 8 yeah.

Speaker 8 I told him Mr. Bowling calling got my money back.

Speaker 8 Oh, Cho.

Speaker 8 I can.

Speaker 8 If I give you the right tools,

Speaker 8 you can probably win the war, but I got to give you the right weapons to go fight.

Speaker 8 I don't know currently if Micah has the weapon to fight.

Speaker 6 It's unfair.

Speaker 6 Yep.

Speaker 8 But I'm like,

Speaker 8 hello. How long Daz has been retired? Dazz, how long you've been retiring? Seven years?

Speaker 6 I'm not sure why he even brought Dez's name up.

Speaker 8 He brought, because here's the thing. You could say that you didn't have to use Daz.
You could have said there have been times that the agent told me that player X was going to get treatment.

Speaker 8 Player X was going to do X, Y, and Z. When player X does not do that, and I try to get on the phone with the agent, now all of a sudden he won't return the calls.

Speaker 8 Now, but when we're negotiating money, he calling me.

Speaker 8 I got all it. I got all his phone.

Speaker 8 I got his landline. And you know, a whole lot of people ain't got landlines no more, but I got his landline.
I got the number to the secretary. I got his personal phone number.
I got X, Y, and Z.

Speaker 8 All I'm saying is he didn't have to use Dez.

Speaker 6 It ain't make no sense.

Speaker 8 He didn't have to use Dez.

Speaker 6 Make no sense.

Speaker 8 And I can assure you, Dez is not, but Dez, hey, just let it

Speaker 8 rock.

Speaker 8 You good? Hey, you done made your money. You straight.
You live in Dallas. You got a nice life.

Speaker 8 Don't mess it up with some petty bulljive. It ain't even worth it, bro.
You know that. I know it's frustrating that he's dragging you into something you ain't got nothing to do with.

Speaker 8 That's between Jerry Micah and David Mugaletta. They ain't got nothing to do as Brad.
Dez Brad, I don't know if there is an age. I don't know if Rock Nation has a client on the Cowboys.
I don't know.

Speaker 8 All I do know is that Dez's name shouldn't have been brought up

Speaker 8 when you're trying to make a point of why you don't like negotiating with agents. agents.

Speaker 8 But

Speaker 8 all these million dollars. So let me throw everybody under the bus, huh?

Speaker 6 Jerry throwing everybody out of the bus

Speaker 8 and back and back over them.

Speaker 8 God leave what, man, what we doing?

Speaker 8 He backed up over.

Speaker 8 But I thought that was the whole thing. That's the whole thing about having an agent.

Speaker 8 I mean, when Jerry, when Jerry, I guarantee you, when Jerry goes, you know, we're $100 million deals, Jerry send his $100 million lawyers in there to negotiate with the other companies, $100 million lawyers.

Speaker 6 Hey, you think him and Mooga Letter don't get along? You think they got some personal issues or something?

Speaker 8 No, Mooguleta is going to be looking to reset the market. Damn.

Speaker 8 The same thing Todd Franz did when he got Dax money. Now,

Speaker 8 I don't know who represents CD, but I know Todd Franz represents that.

Speaker 8 So, yeah, I'm looking to reset the market because I want to keep climbing higher. And I'm trying to get as much money as I guarantee because

Speaker 8 I'm trying to get

Speaker 8 who got the most guaranteed money Miles Garrett 123. Okay.
I'm trying to get 140 because we're going to keep pushing it

Speaker 8 We're going to keep pushing it. Oh Lamar Jackson said oh did y'all see what Josh Allen got guaranteed? I'm gonna need that

Speaker 8 Because he got one MVP. I got matter of fact, you know, you know Should have had three.

Speaker 6 You know

Speaker 6 Shoot Lamar going back to the table after this season.

Speaker 8 Hell, Lamar tried to go back to the

Speaker 8 table before this season.

Speaker 6 It's finna happen. I'm sure it hit the ticket at some point.

Speaker 8 I'm just saying, hey, I'm just saying, look,

Speaker 8 if you're talking about North of what Josh got, I'll let your boy. Absolutely.
If that ain't what you're looking for, if that ain't what you're looking for,

Speaker 8 what we talk about.

Speaker 8 Damn.

Speaker 8 I mean, what's the bar? 28, 29? He's straight. He's good.

Speaker 8 Boy, dude.

Speaker 8 Man, I can't believe Jerry be told everybody.

Speaker 8 Yeah, man, Jerry don't care, man.

Speaker 6 Buddy don't care, man. He's thugging it.

Speaker 8 Jared, you do realize these.

Speaker 8 First of all, Jared, you do realize these are supposed to be private conversations.

Speaker 8 Like when you talk to an agent, you're supposed to be private. This man mentioned Jay-Z by name.
He said, I did a deal with Jay-Z myself. So he going to be on time.
He said, tell me where I signed at.

Speaker 8 Right now. Hey, man.

Speaker 8 Oh, I had a conversation with Mike in March at the Big 12 championship at the Super Bowl.

Speaker 8 That ain't going to have to be conversations.

Speaker 6 This is business.

Speaker 8 Man,

Speaker 8 hey, I didn't find out, Jerry, you wearing a wire.

Speaker 8 You're telling everybody business.

Speaker 8 Oh, baby.

Speaker 8 Jerry put it out there, man.

Speaker 8 Yeah, Dave's responded. I read the quote, Jerry Jones.
I don't think it's smart to mention my name. I kept quiet about a lot of unfair ish on some G-ish.

Speaker 8 We can have story time if that's what we're doing. Not let it rock, Dan.
Let it rock.

Speaker 8 Rock Nation, Terrence Steele. Oh, okay.

Speaker 8 Terrence Steele, he's the right tackle on the Cowboys. Rock Nation also responded in 2015 at the club.

Speaker 8 at 21 Club on a napkin Jerry Jones, Juan Perez, Sean Jay-Z Carter, and Stephen Jones negotiated a five-year, $70 million deal, which included $45 million guarantee and a $20 million signing bonus for Dev Bryant at the time, which was the second largest contract for a wide receiver in NFL history.

Speaker 8 The claim that Mr. Carter, a Rock Nation representative, did not return a call from Jerry Jones is not only a false statement, but it's also a comical one.

Speaker 8 Rock Nation sports, you know, sports representative.

Speaker 6 So now Jerry lying too.

Speaker 6 well shoot you know who don't we we all we all listen but

Speaker 6 he ain't handling business the right way

Speaker 6 he ain't handling business the right way

Speaker 8 nope

Speaker 8 but guess what he don't care definitely don't

Speaker 8 he don't care he don't care

Speaker 8 oh joe terry mclaurin has asked commanders to trade him mclaurin turns 30 in september mclauring in the final year he's in the final year ocho final season of a three-year deal set to make 15.2 million base salary and is currently the 17th highest paid wide receiver in terms of average annual salary.

Speaker 6 Get my dog out of there, man. Get my dog out of there, man.

Speaker 8 Where are you trading to? Trading to Tennessee. Where are you trading?

Speaker 6 Let him go over there to Tennessee with Cam real quick so Cam could do exactly what C.J. Stroud did.

Speaker 6 So Cam can do exactly what Jaden Daniels did over there with the Commandos. You know, giving them weapons.

Speaker 8 Put them weapons around him.

Speaker 6 You know, we got Calvin Ridley. We got Terry McLaurin.
Wait, hold on. We got Tyler Lockett over there too, huh?

Speaker 8 Right?

Speaker 6 I'm not mistaken. Yeah,

Speaker 6 Tyler Lockett.

Speaker 8 Tyler Lockett in the slot. Come on, man.

Speaker 6 They still got Paula, right?

Speaker 8 Paula's still a running back.

Speaker 8 Oh, come on, man.

Speaker 6 Talk about

Speaker 6 Tennessee. Tennessee,

Speaker 6 the Dark Horse team, they make it the playoffs. Terry McLaurin over there, since they want to play games.

Speaker 6 Goddamn, Jaden Daniels doesn't have the Rocks in his back pocket to be able to go up to management right now and say, listen, I need my target.

Speaker 6 I don't think you understand a huge part of my success was actually having number 17 as a target.

Speaker 6 Look at some of the plays he made for us last year. Why is it even

Speaker 8 a no-brainer?

Speaker 6 I don't care about him being 30.

Speaker 8 I don't care about him being 30.

Speaker 6 Where else are we going to get the production from?

Speaker 8 Where?

Speaker 6 No disrespect to Debo Samuels.

Speaker 8 Nice.

Speaker 6 Very nice at what he does.

Speaker 6 Very nice in what he does. He's a Swiss Army knife.
He can come out the back, play the slot. You put him in motion with the ball in his hands,

Speaker 8 he is phenomenal, one of the best.

Speaker 6 When you go into a game and you're playing the commanders, they're game planning and setting the defensive formation where Terry McLaurin lines up.

Speaker 8 What are we talking about?

Speaker 8 If what Adam Schefter is reporting is to be true,

Speaker 8 he wants way north of 33 million.

Speaker 8 They're not going there, Ojo.

Speaker 8 They're not. You know that.

Speaker 6 I know that. I mean, not, not, not, not, not at Adam 30.

Speaker 8 Not at 30.

Speaker 8 If what Adam, like I said, Adam Shepherd tweeted that. Ash, can you find that quote and put it up on the thing? To make sure it's the affect the real Adam Shepherd and we're not getting a

Speaker 8 catfish.

Speaker 8 But if what adam sharp reported is that he wants north

Speaker 8 way

Speaker 8 i i think the work verbiage and the terms he used was way north of 33 million but listen i want way north of 33 million

Speaker 6 stay with me now

Speaker 6 commanders say

Speaker 6 we not gonna give you north of 33 million So, okay, let's negotiate.

Speaker 6 Let's find a happy medium that's not disrespectful to me and what I've done for this franchise because the number speaks for themselves.

Speaker 8 Part of them. Yeah, but I ain't gonna pay you for what you oh, Joe.
I ain't gonna pay you for what you've done. I already paid you for that.
I gotta pay you what I'll believe. You're gonna be.

Speaker 6 He's 30, right?

Speaker 6 30. Yes.
He can, he can, he can very well, because of the quarterback play and the quarterback you have, he's going to be consistent.

Speaker 8 It's that's a no-brainer.

Speaker 6 He's not losing a step.

Speaker 8 now but i just don't i just don't know if that number is that number

Speaker 6 that north okay north of 30 or north of 33

Speaker 8 maybe 133 and a half

Speaker 8 because think about it you you do realize who's at 30 34 and 35 cd and jetta now what we

Speaker 8 way north means he's 36 37.

Speaker 6 give my dog 32 and a half

Speaker 6 Give Terry McLaurin 32 and a half.

Speaker 8 I was thinking more along the lines of a waddle,

Speaker 8 somewhere between

Speaker 8 28 and a half and 31.

Speaker 8 Oh, Joe, I'm just, oh, Joe, oh, I've just got, I got to be real, dad.

Speaker 6 Okay. Give my dog 32 and a half.
Talk to me, man. Talk to me nice.
Huh? We talk about scary Terry. We ain't talking about just knowing anybody now.

Speaker 6 Huh? We talk about the one who wear the C on the chest. We talk about the captain, the one who does everything the right way.
He says all the right things.

Speaker 8 He does. He's the leader of the team.

Speaker 6 He's the the leader of the offense. His teammates gave him the C for a reason.
Now it's time to pay him for the exact leader that you asked him to be. And now it's a problem.

Speaker 8 That's what we're doing. Yeah.

Speaker 8 That's what they're doing. That's what it seems like they're doing.

Speaker 6 Child, please.

Speaker 8 I think. Oh, man.

Speaker 8 I think 30 million is probably what I think the 30 is their drop dead number because

Speaker 8 that's where Tyreek is. Ash, pull up the top 10.
Pull up the other receivers.

Speaker 8 Adam Schefter said he thinks Terry McLaurin wants considerably more than DK got, which was 33 million per year.

Speaker 8 So considerably, boy, is going to be 35, 36, 37.

Speaker 8 Damn.

Speaker 8 Listen, sometimes

Speaker 6 you got to shoot high and fast away, you know, find a happy median. I like it.

Speaker 8 Shoot for the stars. If you're laying on the moon, you're still pretty damn high.

Speaker 6 You'll be happy.

Speaker 6 I don't like the fact that the players are missing training cam.

Speaker 6 I don't like it because you got, you get, you need that time to be getting pushed and shoved and getting acclimated to the speed of the game. You know, catch, catching.

Speaker 8 Okay, oh Joe, here we are right here. Jamar Chase is at 40, 40.25.

Speaker 8 Jeddah, 35. CD, 34.
DK, 33. Garrett Wilson, 32.
AJ, 32. Almond Ross St.
Brown, 30. Brandon Ayuk, 30.
Tyreek Hill, 30. T.
Higgins, 28,750.

Speaker 8 Yeah, 32 and a half. I'm going to say that again.

Speaker 6 32 and a half. Anything, anything below that is disrespectful.

Speaker 8 Put the numbers up.

Speaker 8 Pull the numbers up.

Speaker 6 See,

Speaker 8 you got them on your screen.

Speaker 8 You see them? Can you see them? No, the numbers, no.

Speaker 8 No, but listen, listen, listen.

Speaker 6 Anything below that is disrespectful.

Speaker 8 Pull the numbers up.

Speaker 6 See, I need to be, I need to be some of the, I need to be assistant to some of these agents when it's time for these receivers to get paid.

Speaker 6 Because not only am I going to pull the numbers up, not only am I going to pull the numbers in the market where everybody getting paid, I'm going to also walk in there with the goddamn film.

Speaker 6 I'm not sure what y'all been watching.

Speaker 8 So 32 and a half will put him at Garrett Wilson, Fifth Highest Pay. Hey, thank you.
Best receiver. See? Fifth highest pay.
See?

Speaker 6 Okay, it's not outrageous. It's not too low.
It's right in the middle, and it's not disrespectful.

Speaker 8 i wear the sea on my chest he won't come out

Speaker 8 he won't considerably more than 33.

Speaker 6 boom he was shooting for the stars if i fall low i want to fall to the 32 and a half i think you're gonna fall to 30.

Speaker 8 no

Speaker 8 no

Speaker 8 see i i need to be in the rooms on

Speaker 6 I need to be in the room when it's time for receivers to negotiate. I think the owners and whoever does the numbers and the books, they forgetting what you did.

Speaker 6 I'm coming there with the film. I'm coming there with the film.
Forget what you talk about. Let me show you why

Speaker 6 my client deserves what we're asking for. Let me show you why, play by play, I'm going to have all his catches and touchdown broken down.

Speaker 6 32 and a half. Let me show you why 32 and a half.
Down and distance, different scenarios. Remember this?

Speaker 8 Come on, man. Stop playing, man.

Speaker 8 What?

Speaker 8 Hey, listen, I'm the right one to have when it comes to negotiation and getting somebody picked.

Speaker 8 I agree with you, Ocho. I don't think 32 and a half is outrageous,

Speaker 8 but I think he's going to fall somewhere. I think he's going to be, you know.

Speaker 8 And I said, because remember, Waddle. And remember, I said, I went 28 and a half, that 28 and a half.
So I think he's going to fall in that 28 and a half to 32.

Speaker 8 That's going to be the range. And I don't know if he's going to be too happy with that.

Speaker 6 I'm telling you.

Speaker 8 Because what happens is, is that

Speaker 8 you don't want to come behind a guy, Ocho, when the guy got 32 and a half. And then you come behind him, you get 31, or you get 30.
Because now you've stunted the growth of the wide receiver.

Speaker 8 Now, I get it. You look at Gary Wilson, Gary Wilson, say, hey, 32.5, considering where I was, I'm cool with that.

Speaker 8 And

Speaker 8 right now, I can't match the production of CD, Jeddah, and Chase. So I can't go up there

Speaker 8 and say, hey,

Speaker 8 y'all need to break me off like that.

Speaker 8 Cause Jetta is on some historic.

Speaker 6 There's levels to everything.

Speaker 8 Yes.

Speaker 8 So that's what. And so when you look at it like that, but I get what Terry McLaurin says.
Hold on, bro. Look, hey, y'all need to break me off.

Speaker 8 32 and a half. That's it.
That's it. Okay.
32 and a half is that?

Speaker 6 Don't pay him 32 and a half.

Speaker 8 I'm going to go off on management.

Speaker 6 I don't know where, but they're going to hear me.

Speaker 8 gonna, they're gonna hear me. They gonna

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