Nightcap Hour 1: Unc & Ocho react to Sterling Sharpe gets inducted to HOF + Micah Parsons requests trade | Nightcap

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i'm tired

yo yo it's been a long it's been a long

But anyway, thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for joining us for another episode of Nightcap.

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I am your favorite unc.

And you can tell by my eyes and my voice.

It's been a long weekend.

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So

first, first, first, first, first.

Ocho, this weekend.

Tell me about it.

Tell me about it.

Take your time, man.

Take your time.

Obviously, I went through this.

I experienced this 14 years ago in 2011.

And

it was a great, it was unbelievable.

I mean, it was a great honor.

But this one topped it.

This one topped it because of the significance of it, what my brother meant to me and Ocho to be in that Nitschke luncheon on Friday and hear Rod Woodson and hear Aeneas Williams and hear Daryl Green and some of the defensive players, be it Richard Dent and Johnny Randall,

say, man.

This was long overdue for your brother.

To hear them say that.

Because

I already knew it.

You're preaching to the choir.

I sing up here every Sunday.

So

I ain't new to the congregation.

I'm here.

I'm backing you up every week.

So I know what he is.

I know what he was.

And to see him finally get that recognition.

And to my mom, you know, there'll be other moms that have sons in the Pro Football Hall of Fame, but they won't be first.

To have my sister and my coach.

who coached both of us, coached my entire family,

my kids there,

my sister-in-law and my niece, Susan in Summer, there to witness that and to experience that, Ocho, man.

That's a great feeling, boy.

Man, Ocho, man.

I can't,

it's hard for me to describe, Ocho.

And

I knew I would be emotional, even though I had already, you know, I was his presenter and I had already done my part via video.

So I had did that a couple of weeks before.

And so I thought,

but the more he talked, the more he talked.

And

when he says, I only have a couple of minutes left,

but the last couple of minutes, I won't, I won't, I want you.

You got to come up here.

Yeah.

And when he called, and when he called me to the stage, and I had no idea what he was going to say, he, you know, he didn't write anything down.

He was the only one that didn't have notes.

He didn't have anything.

He said, I'm just going to speak from the heart.

That's how, you know, that's pretty much how he does all the speaking.

And

to hear him say

that everything he did was for an audience.

He didn't care what you wrote about him.

He didn't care what you said about him.

None of that mattered

because the only person that he wanted to impress was me.

Everything that he did was because of me.

And to hear him say you know

you know you can't lead without without without following

and to hear

him

because it's almost like i'm like

it's replaying the very the very words and how i felt about him how i feel about him and to hear him say that

And to know the relationship that he and I have.

And I think people got an opportunity to see that on full display.

Even on Friday night at the Gold Jacket presentation, when you walk the gauntlet, you go through all the Hall of Famers.

And we had almost a record, Joe.

We had 111 members back.

Now, mind you, of 382, my brother's the 382nd member of the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

And if I'm not mistaken, I think there are 181 living members.

So that means they're over, they're 200, 201 that are no longer with us.

Talking to Bobby Bell this morning, getting on the plane, he's 115.

There's only six with a lower number than him that's still remaining.

So, and then, you know, you know, seeing all that, but to be there and to experience it.

Yeah.

Ocho,

my brother's really not an emotional guy.

Like I said, I think I've only a handful of times.

And like he said, when Papa died, he didn't cry.

When dad died, when daddy died, he didn't cry.

When Granny passed, he didn't cry.

But to be in his presence and to know what this moment meant to him,

my brother don't let a whole lot of things bother him.

But to be around him, Ocho, because I know him better than anybody.

I know him better than anybody.

I know what this moment meant to him.

I know what he felt.

My sister said, hell, I thought he was going to pick you up up off the floor at the gold jacket ceremony.

I said, yeah, and throw his back out in the process.

But, Ocho, man,

to see, to see how he was walking around and to see the

love and the kudos that he was getting from those other gold jacket wearers and the members and at his party and to have the bust and to have his family.

Because we don't get, we don't, like I said, Ocho, we don't get together much.

And

I said, we, bro, we got to do a better job of that.

I say, look, when you really cut it down to, I said, us, it's me, you, mama, and Libby,

my kids.

We, and, you know, Susan and somebody.

I said, we got to do a better job, bro.

We got to do a better job.

I said, you know, theoretically, mom could still outlive us long, but come on, we can do a better job than what we've been doing.

But, Ocho, that was, that was the crown of the Chiefs there.

Ain't nothing topping that.

Ain't nothing topping that, Ocho.

Because

there's

if you play a sport

to go into your sports heaven, and that's what the Hall of Fame is.

Be it baseball, basketball, soccer, tennis, swimming,

rock and roll Hall of Fame.

If you go into your profession's heaven,

that's what the Hall of Fame is.

When you get there,

okay.

Okay.

Now that's it.

That's it.

And man, I cried.

I've been up all night.

The love and the respect that was shown to my brother.

Man.

Yeah, I already listened.

Boy, I already know.

I already know.

They got to be great.

Jordan posted so much stuff.

I'm like, well, damn.

I'm looking at my feet.

I'm like, well, damn.

Did you go to sleep?

You posted in the middle of the night?

Because every time, collab, collab, post, post, post.

I'm like, well, damn.

Somebody sent me something.

They didn't have your information.

You saw this photo gallery I sent you?

Uh-uh.

You just sent me something?

No, this was a few days ago.

Remember?

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

They didn't have your information shoot.

They sent me the whole photo gallery.

Oh, man, it's

that moment, bro.

And, you know, riding in the parade and everybody, because it was the Packers, the Packers traveled really well.

And to see some of his teammates, because I don't know if you noticed, Ocho, when he sat down with me,

I didn't know this at the time.

I didn't.

I didn't know he never shared this.

And so, what he said on the pod with the first time, that when he had his neck surgery, no one called him.

Not a teammate, not a coach, not a front office.

We call hell getting him to accept

them doing this party.

I said, because what I told him, I said, now you have to understand, the people that's in place

weren't in place then.

I said, now,

I'm not saying that your

anger isn't warranted.

I said, but in this situation, it's misplaced.

The people that you should be upset with.

Yeah, they live there.

They were there.

And I didn't know, like I said, Ocho, I didn't know that.

I did, Ocho, the man, there's a chance that he could have been paralyzed

from

neck down.

He could have been a quadriplegic.

Now, mind you,

last season, he still has tied for the third most receiving touchdowns in a single season, and he never played another season.

So he goes under the knife.

And not know, not, just imagine, Ocho, you go through a surgery that you could be paralyzed or worse.

The owner, a coach, a teammate, not even TJ, not Carson,

not the general manager, not your head coach, not even you, Jack.

No one calls you and checks on you.

Listen,

that tells you

all you need to know, though.

You hear me?

So think about the people you just named.

Think about the people you just named.

Nothing is even wrong with me.

And everybody you just named, I talk to at least three, three times a month.

Mind you, I am of no value to Marvin Lewis anymore.

I'm of no value to Hugh Jackson anymore.

Hell, TJ, me and TJ, we in a group chat with about 20 bangles.

So that's a constant, a constant, you know, form of communication.

But that would hurt so bad.

It did.

The people that I went to war with, the people that I'm playing for,

not giving me a call

with the extent of my injury, with a chance I could be paralyzed, and I can't play ball no more, and nobody reached out, not a flower, not a motherfucking card.

I'm smart, damn.

I'm sorry.

But.

So I think that that bothered him the most.

And

he's still, I was like, bro, you know, and he's finally like, like, letting it go.

Cause my brother, you know, he, you know,

he doesn't hit you over the head with it, but

carries his Bible.

He goes to church.

He reads the scripture.

So he's, and so he's learned, Ocho, that I, I've got to let this go.

He says, I can't be what I'm proclaiming to be if I still have this in my heart.

And so, uh, but it was, it, it was tough for him.

Um, I'm number, I'm member 267.

He's member 382.

Um,

I think they said over 30,000 men have played this game, coached this game, owned the team, been a general manager.

30,000.

382 men have a gold jacket.

They said over 300, what is it, 300 million men have played the game of football?

Let that sink in on your 300 million.

So my mom, my mom's like, I got two boys.

Tell me about, I probably need to scan.

I might have another son out there somewhere.

I say, you don't.

You don't.

You ain't got another son.

You ain't got another daughter.

I promise you.

This is all you got.

You got what you got.

Daddy, hey, you told daddy shop was closed after me.

You say, hey, when they ask you, they say,

Papa asks you, say, well,

Alice,

what you want?

Daddy, I don't give a damn if it's a lizard.

I'm done.

So

you got what you got, Mama.

That's it.

But she was happy.

My coach,

Coach Hall, like I said, you know, he was there, coached all my uncles.

My uncle

started graduating high school in 1966, 1966.

I graduated in 86.

He taught for 50 years.

And having him there.

But Ocho, I don't know if you saw this.

I know you couldn't pick it up.

But at the gold jacket ceremony, what they did, they started to do it.

I don't know when they started it.

This is my first time back since 2019.

Is that obviously you walk the gauntlet?

You know, so you have four guys, two walk this way, two guys walk that way.

And you got all the Hall of Fames, and they give it, hey, congratulations.

Welcome to the fraternity.

Welcome to the Brotherhood.

Then you get up on stage.

And then I was really the only presenter presenter that was actually there.

Dean Spanos, who presented,

no, his dad.

His dad was, yeah, his dad was there.

I think his dad was there.

Jared Allen's dad was there.

Put the code on him.

Marcus put the code on Eric Allen.

And then LT, Ladane and Thomason, put it on Gates, Antonio Gates.

But anyway.

And so, you know, they come up, they bring your family out.

They bring, let your kid, your wife come up, your kids come up, your mom, X, Y, and Z.

So Jared Allen,

family, Jared Allen families come up there, and everybody, he's excited.

You know, his wife is excited.

The girls come running to him.

Um, I think one of the one of his daughters had on cowboy boots.

So, these cowboy, but anyway, you know, he got his signature, his signature move, Ocho.

You know what he do?

He calf rope, he goes down on one knee and hit the camera, tie it up, and

he goes down on one knee, calf rope that thing,

then his pants.

So, where I am, I can see.

I was like, I think he ripped his pants

from the back of his knee all the way up to the top of his belt.

Yeah.

So, now they got to rush over and get, they got to rush over because the hotel is really close by where they were staying.

They got to rush over, get a police escort, and get him a pair of pants.

Because, you know, that's funny.

That's funny.

But

there's a clip out there, And I know we didn't get a chance to vet it.

And we don't know who it belongs to.

But there's a clip out there.

And you can see him.

He grabs the back.

He grabs.

At first, I thought he had tweeted.

I said, damn, you tweet your hamstring.

You don't do no.

But then, as he started to move, I was like, nah, bro,

you ripped him.

And he really did.

But it was great to see, like I said, I know Gates.

Gates, my guy, be like a little brother to me.

And to see, played against Eric Allen.

I played against EA in Philly and when he was at the Raiders because he was chasing me in the end zone.

And who else?

Jared Allen.

Jared retired.

He came to Kansas City the year I retired.

And

who else?

EA Gates.

That was it.

Nah, who else?

Oh, yeah, I obviously played against my brother twice.

But oh, oh, Joe, it was unbelievable.

They're doing so much.

They're building it up now.

They're trying to do more for the players that are in the Hall of Fame.

But it's an unbelievable.

It's an unbelievable experience.

And uh,

that's dope.

That's live,

yeah.

God, I don't know what I did to deserve all this, what you've done for my family, but I appreciate it.

Oh, Chobe, we got a big story.

The biggest story, hold on, hold on, go ahead, hold on, hold on.

I need my chapstick.

I need my cooney.

Hold on, hold on.

Go ahead.

Go ahead.

Yeah, man.

There's a lot of verbiage.

Aya, aya, aya.

Huh?

Yeah.

It's going to take us a couple of minutes to get through all this verbiage.

I'm going to start to read as Ocho and Ocho is coming back.

And this is Micah and Jerry.

They've kind of been going back and forth over the weekend.

Micah posted a lengthy message on social media on Friday, concluding with a statement that he no longer wants to play for the Cowboys.

Yes, I wanted to be there.

I did everything I could to show that I wanted to be a cowboy and wear the star on my helmet.

I wanted to play in front of the best fans in sports and make America's team proud, Murray's team once again.

The team, my pops, and I grew up cheering for way up in Harrisburg, PA.

He is from Harrisburg, Ocho.

You know, normally, Harrisburg, normally, that's Steeler or Eagles country.

A lot of people like the Steelers up in Harrisburg.

But hey, if you know, if you're in Pennsylvania and you root for the Eagles, I mean, you got two teams, but if you root for the Eagles, I ain't gonna hold that against you.

If you root for the Steelers, I'm not gonna hold that against you.

But think about it.

He in Steelers, Eagle territory, and he and his pops are Cowboys fans.

Unfortunately,

I no longer want to be here.

I no longer want to be held to a closed-door negotiation without my agent present.

I no longer want shots taken at me for getting injured while laying it on the line for the organization, our fans, my teammates.

I no longer want narratives created and spread to the media about me.

I knew I would be leaving money on the table, but again, I was okay with that.

Again, radio silenced

my extension in March.

I met with Mr.

Jones to talk about leadership.

Somehow, the conversation turned into him talking about contract with me.

Yes, I engaged back and and forth in regards to what I wanted from my contract, but at no point did I believe this was supposed to be a form of negotiation.

And I informed Mr.

Jones after,

hmm,

Major would reach out thinking we'd get things done.

I stayed quiet, but again, after repeated shots at myself and all these narratives, I made a tough decision.

I no longer want to play for the Cowboys.

My trade request has been submitted to Stephen Jones personally.

Ocho, take off.

What's your take on this?

this?

I just, I just, I don't understand.

It's one thing for owners to think a certain way,

to not really value the people that the players that lay it all on the line for you, but you have a certain way of conducting yourself.

You already have a history of

things that are frowned upon when it comes to

us anyway, way, way back.

I don't need to bring that up, but to continue to show us during the Kaepernick era time as well, the one owner that came out and said, all our players will be standing up and yeah

hold the line if you play for my team and just to see how he conducts business and the way he does business despite being the most

profitable franchise of of all sports

the way he did cd the way he did ezeki elliott the way he did dak

now the way he's doing micah parsons this time even going a little further across the line and talking about him in a way like well even if we do pay him he might not be available like he was last year.

When he was like, you don't, you don't, you don't say that.

You don't say stuff like that as the owner when he's busting his ass for you and your team.

Obviously, do what his job is and what you pay him to do.

Injuries are a part of a sport, but to hear your owner, the one who signed the check, to say it and to say how he really feels publicly to the world.

That's the kind of stuff like it gets out, it slips out because somebody recorded it.

Somebody stuck a conversation, but he just like proudly, like

blurted it out.

Know how he feels about you.

How could you want to line up and put that hat on?

How could you want to wear that star outside of just doing it for the money?

See, if we talk about it, Ocho, that's why I like to have somebody because he might have told the agent that, but the agent never would have come back and told me that.

Exactly why you never want to be a part of way, why you never want to be a part of negotiations because the real them comes out.

And the agent never discloses that.

Because you will be upset.

Everybody will be upset on how they feel about you.

Because when it comes to business they are shrewd

right

this is what they do this is not what you do i don't have a problem i think bobby wagner was one of the first ones that says you know i no longer have an agent i'm going to negotiate my own contract i think sherm does that i think we saw uh lamar and his mom negotiate their own contract i don't have a problem with that if you says i'm going to be my own representative i'm going to engage in these talks with whomever be it jerry stephen or whomever is doing this contract negotiations.

I'm cool with that.

But if I tell you I have representation, don't try to get isolate me.

And back back though, you, you know, buddy, buddy, buddy.

That's why I have representation because this is what they do.

I'm giving him a percentage of the total contract because I want him to negotiate on my behalf.

So that's why Jerry had him going to all these places.

Hey, Michael, come on, fly on the plane.

Because he's trying to be.

No, no, no.

Now, if Michael says, you know what, Jerry, you're right i can do this on my own and then that way i don't have to give david his agent i won't have to give him two percent three percent or whatever the case may be whatever he charges i just keep that for myself but that's not what michael said michael says hey i have an agent he's like i thought this was the start of the negotiation hey hey david mugaletta is looking forward to hearing from you hey told him we had a great conversation he'll take it from here

jerry thought they had had a done deal

my mic no no

no no

no hey but but this is the this is the part i don't understand this goes for everybody also in the chat you have certain players you have special players that come along we i call them no-brainers i call them players that are no-brainers when they come in when they get drafted and you watch them play year to year it's a no-brainer when it's time to pay them micah parsons is a no-brainer the jamar places are no no-brainers.

The Justin Jeffersons are no-brainers.

Amar Ross St.

Brown, I'm just using receivers for perspective.

Those are no-brainers.

You know, there's no reason to play a game when it comes to a player of that magnitude.

Even if they're

whatever the books may say,

like stuff like that, well, you know what?

We have one player on defense.

It's our superstar.

Everything, the ball, the ball should have been rolling.

The season started another three weeks.

What are we talking about?

Why are we still talking about contract with the no-brainer?

Yeah, because think about it.

What it costs to bingers.

It cost them an extra $6 million a year or next to $24 million over four years because you waited a year.

It probably costs you an extra $30 million in guarantees because you waited an extra year.

So you have to pay a tax.

You have to pay a penalty.

If you're late, let me ask you a question.

If you late on your rent, you pay a penalty.

If you late, if you got

something at the court and you're late, if you owe Uncle Sam, there's a penalty for being late yeah if you negotiate my contract late there is a penalty for said service

now

with all that being said jerry didn't have to say any of that but jerry's just going to show you see jerry now jerry as he's got to let you know who's in charge we already know

because it is it it is reported that as the representative has been trying to reach out jerry ain't returned no purpose

absolutely

to prove to prove what point he's trying to prove.

I have no idea.

I'm not sure.

I'm gonna pay.

I'll pay you when I get ready.

Like you do me,

like you do me over.

You basically told me I'm gonna pay.

Oh, no, I ain't say, I ain't say that.

I mean, I told you,

no, no, you're actually,

baby, I'm not Jerry.

I don't, I don't like that comparison.

Don't do me like that.

Don't own it.

Yeah, you this is we come up on a year.

It's a penalty for being late.

I got you.

I got one thing about it.

Thank you, Lord.

I got you.

I need to see, you got it, but I need to get it.

You know, hey, you know,

I can light right now, Joe.

Pocket light right now.

Good free.

Pockets light.

That's why I love you.

That's why I love that.

That's what I need.

Come on, come on back home.

That's what I need.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

That's the Danny I need.

Let's go.

We're going to be all right.

But we're going to be all right.

I'm telling you.

We good.

Hey, Ty Tripper said, we're going to be all right.

And Micah, Micah said, well, you back in the corner.

Well, hell, I don't want to be here no more.

Hey, if you think, I tell you what, if you upset, talk about I might not be here, I missed six games, trade me.

Yep.

See what the market is and trade me.

Listen, but hey,

if Jerry was to play, but obviously, you know, he's not going to do that.

Boy, you know, Micah could reset the market by what?

Oh, he's going to reset the market.

I mean,

I definitely believe he can get 45.

Easy.

I believe he can get 45.

Whatever Miles Gary got and guaranteed money.

I think Miles got 123.

He can go 140.

But this is the only part I don't like is whatever team he goes to, it wouldn't be a contender.

It'd be a team that has a lot of room, a lot of salary cap room.

So they'll be able to pay him that.

The Eagles will trade for him.

That's not fair.

The commanders are definitely trading.

Eagles, that's not fair.

That's not fair.

If he was to go to the Eagles and they gave up whatever compensation they would want for Michael Parsons, then you might as well hand him the goddamn Lombardi now.

Just go just go ahead and give it to him.

Well, Jared said, he worried about him missing time.

He won't have to worry about it.

He don't have to worry about paying him and he ain't got to worry about him getting injured and missing time on his dime.

So with that being being said, but like, I like, like, and at some point in time, it's just like, bro, what are we doing here?

I get it, I get it.

You own the team.

You said, hey, I'm in my fifth year.

We could have done something after year four.

I mean, year three.

We could have done something after year four.

So now we're now we're into my uh the option.

You picked up my fifth-year player option.

That's where we are right now.

After four Pro Bowls, two, three first team all pros, defensively.

12 sacks in the season.

12 sacks, four years in a row.

row.

Come on, Harry.

So is that what we're doing right now, Jerry?

Really?

Really?

That's what we're doing.

It couldn't.

Listen,

I can't say it couldn't be me because

I'm just trying to.

Jerry said this is negotiating, no joke.

He said we're negotiating now.

But it's a shrewd business.

It's a shrewd business.

And the fact that he let his feelings

out publicly like that.

It says all you need to know.

It says all you need to know.

I understand.

I think you and I, look, we've played sports and we've been in the, we negotiate.

When negotiation gets personal, you got to be careful, Ocho.

You got to be careful.

In any type of negotiation,

whatever the case may be, if it starts to get personal,

one side will start to build up a resentment towards the other side.

Right.

And then even when he gets the money, they still feel a certain way.

And then the other person that gave you the money still feels a certain way.

The funny thing about it is, regardless for us as the player, we're never in a position of leverage.

We're never in a position of power.

But what it does is

unless you're like, you know what?

You turn out to be a, you're like, damn, I'm balling.

I'm rook defense rookie of the year.

I'm all pro.

And I really just sit on my money.

And I'm willing to say, okay, y'all playing.

I see y'all week eight.

So I can get that.

I'll see y'all week eight.

So I get that best of year.

Come in, get me another quick eight sacks.

Now, what y'all gonna do?

Y'all play, y'all play, I play.

Yeah,

but see, that's the thing.

If you didn't have, see, Jerry knows he has leverage.

He has a fifth-year player option, which is this year, and he has two franchise tags.

So just imagine, my it just imagine.

See, Dak, you see what Dak wrote in his contracts?

No franchise tax.

Yeah.

But he

no franchise tax.

Quarterback.

He can do that.

Hey.

Put that in there.

Hey, no, you can't franchise me because that's the leverage that they got.

Because I got, I got theoretically, Mike, I got you for this year and two more.

Damn.

That's a.

It's unbelievable the game, the game that they play.

You already know how they feel, right?

You already know how they feel about you.

you know.

It's one thing that they say, and I hate to bring it up because the first thing when you compare the NFL to a certain term they want to use, the first people, first thing people bring up, well, you get paid millions.

But it's modern day, you know what?

But you get paid millions.

You know, but that's neither here nor there.

But just to hear Jerry say it, just the fact that he uttered the words with confidence

out of care in the world about your star player.

And then he took a shot at Dak.

What are we doing?

Well, look, Dak realized he's the quarterback.

Dak is the leader of the team, yes.

But he and Jerry, it's not like...

See, Jerry had a relationship with Tony Romo.

Dak is always hypnotized Jerry.

Because it was Jerry that wanted to give Tony Romo his job back.

That wasn't happening.

Oh,

he kind of got, you know, Steven and I think Jason Garrett and a few others like, Jerry, what are you doing?

Are you serious?

Even after all those injuries that

Tony Romo, he paid him.

He ain't mentioned nothing about no injury.

He mentioned nothing about that.

And at one point in time, Tony Romo was the highest paid player in the NFL.

Hey,

without blinking.

Funny thing about that.

Jerry also spoke to reporters about Michael Trey requests.

Let's take a listen to what Jerry had to say.

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Man,

he said something very interesting.

He says, Michael's under contract.

But what about when players are under contract and they get cut?

You know, they don't care.

Especially, they don't be.

You see how one-sided.

He's talking about, oh, we have contracts, we have rules, but the rules are one-sided.

If I outperform the contract, want a new contract, you say, whoa, whoa, whoa, you on the contract.

If I underperform the contract that I signed, you say, you got to go.

You see,

this is what players should be.

This is why they fight so hard to try to get guaranteed money.

This is what you should be, instead of petty privileges, instead of worried about tour days and worry about how many padded practices you have during the course of the year.

These are the things that true leadership in the NFL PA, this is what you should be fighting for.

I'm getting rid of the trade.

No, we're not doing no franchise tag.

Look, if I, if I, if, if I'm at a normal job and I'm, I want to, my contract is coming up, they can't say, well, we're going to franchise you.

And if I work for Google, that means I can't go talk to Apple or I can't go talk to Microsoft.

No.

Free agency, how can you be free if you can't.

you you under tag they got a tag on you free agency means i'm free to negotiate wherever.

And there can't be a cap because whatever the market will bear.

I just saw

Mark Zuckerberg just pay a guy, AI guy, 250 million, gave him 100 million up front.

That's what free agency is.

All I'm saying is, and we're going to get, I just hope the next person at the NFLPA,

this is some of the things,

health benefits, no sal no

franchise tag,

no

franchise tag

contracts.

Yeah, man, because I you can't, oh Joe, you can't have it both ways.

You can negotiate with me when you want to, but you can also cut me when you want to.

So if I outperform the contract, you say you got a contract.

I underperformed the contract, you didn't perform up to the standard, and so now you got to.

You got to be careful.

They need somebody.

All right.

I know you think you view me, you view me as the fun, the love, the entertainment, the jokes, and the laughter, but they need somebody shrewd that could be shrewd right back.

When it comes to conducting business, you got to be someone that's fighting for the players, not

minimizing the players and pretending like I'm for you, but really siding on the other end.

Man, listen, you know how we talk.

The NFL owners don't want to lose the leverage.

Baseball, players have the leverage.

Basketball, the players have the leverage.

All sports where contracts are guaranteed, the players have the leverage.

I think because so many players on a team, NFL owners don't want to lose the leverage of the players.

Right.

Yeah.

I'm like, guess what?

And I don't know when this back injury, hey, and I ain't putting no Ben Gay on it either.

So I don't know when this back, this back issue, because it flares up.

Every time I go to put that helmet on, my back starts to hurt.

Don't you?

Every time.

He could play hardball.

He could play hardball.

But listen,

with owners, GMs, everyone that sits in a position of power on the NFL team, what they will use against you is they know you'll probably fold before I do because you love the game.

Love of the game.

You love the game.

Yep.

Love it.

They're banking on it.

They're banking on it.

You're going to fold before they do.

So you, hey, you got, you got to play hardball.

How hard do you want to play the game?

Because they're going to play with you.

They're going to test you.

Yeah.

You see how agitated he got?

I negotiated a mark.

I answered the question already.

No, Michael said he thought you were talking about leadership.

He referred you to his agent.

You asking me?

Yeah, we're asking you.

But we talked to Michael too.

Listen, can you imagine?

Hey, chat,

I'm not really into hypotheticals, but could you imagine if Jeffrey Lurie and Howie Roseman ran the Cowboys?

Can you imagine if they were the ones in charge of

with the talent that they had?

Because they've drafted like the second, they've drafted like the second most since what, 2014, maybe the second.

They might be first with the Chiefs as far as a Pro Bowl player.

Can you imagine?

Because

how many times they've been the number one seed and got bounced in the first round or the second round?

This is the.

With that talent.

Hold on.

When they had the best running back in football, Zeke Elliott, the best offensive line in football, and

when they were putting eight, nine, 10 guys into the Pro Bowl,

when they had those teams with Romo and Witten and T.O.

and they had DeMarcus Ware, and they had all those guys.

Boy, it was nice, but they were loaded, boy.

They were loaded.

But I think I'm not sure why Jerry

can't get it or can't see it.

Jerry wants credit.

You look at the Patriots, right?

Look at all the teams that are successful every season.

Every season, the Patriots, when they their dynasty and their good years, you had Belichick, you had Tom Brady.

Forget that part.

Where did it start?

Mr.

Crabb.

And the only time you heard from Mr.

Crabb is when he was taking the trophy out of Rockyville, Del Bay.

Everything starts at the top, winning stars from the front of the office, and it trickles all the way down.

Right.

Eagles.

But Jerry wants it to be about him.

That's why people are like, oh, Tom Brady should go to the Tom Brady should go to the Cowboys.

Boy,

Tom Brady said, Jerry, I'll play for you for a million dollars.

And Jerry would have told him, hell no, because Jerry would never be bigger than Tom.

And Jerry don't want nobody to be on the Cowboys to be bigger than him.

So that's not going to happen.

I don't get why he's doing it like this but look they they they go i guess this is their you know how you have a negotiation in the media and when it should be negotiated behind closed doors oh well x y z we negotiated we had we had a deal done michael say well hey i want to hey i don't even want to play for y'all no more

let me let me go hey let me just continue to do this on purpose because it does what it keeps whose team in the head

Yeah, in the media, we're talking about it.

Yeah.

Because ain't nobody.

I mean, the only other team that we talk about in the media is Cleveland and Shador.

We really, if you really think about it, Ocho, we ain't really having a discussion about no, no, you know, we talk here and there about, you know, the bro match between Aaron Rodgers and Mike Tomlin.

Uh, I was just reading a little bit about uh uh

Matthew Stafford got something going on with his back or something.

But for the most part, Ocho,

it's the Cowboys, the Micah, Jerry, and you got Shador.

it's it's been a really a relative quiet training camp cycle yeah and you know jerry's like hey let me let me let me start some ish

like hey ain't no ain't no pop it off for us right now let me start some ish and uh and to see where this thing goes the funny thing about it what i don't like is is

for micah i feel bad for micah i feel bad for the cowboys the fans i feel bad for the players because to know that this is how your owner thinks of you if you can talk about your star players like that, you already know what he thinks about you.

And Jerry

is at a forefront and letting people know nobody runs this show with me and nobody

bigger than my program.

Nobody bigger than my program.

Well, you at look,

even the team,

Jerry, just so you know.

Every team gets a check cut for $432 million.

So it's not like you're doing an outstanding job because you're not

it sells itself at this point it does

just like all the other team all the other teams sell themselves

granted now when it comes to the local market they probably don't do what jerry does because it's dallas you know obviously they don't sell in jacksonville or cincinnati or houston or tennessee like they do okay fine

But they're not going to be in they're not going to be in the line tomorrow either.

but just keep doing it that way

he gonna get tired of philly he gonna get tired of philly and washington running the divisions he get tired he would it's been 30 years if he was gonna get tired of it he would have he would have already picked up on how everyone else is doing things he's continued to do it his way he's setting his ways at this

of course

if i was the owner of any team I'd be taking notes.

Okay, this is what Kraft did.

This is what Belichick did.

Okay, this is what Howie

and Jeff did.

This is what Clark Hunt and Andy Reid, how they handle business.

Let me see the Roonies.

The Roonies had success during this era.

All right, we're in a different era, but let me see if I can steal some of the things that they did and how they conducted business.

Let me add this to my and came up with my own game plan, my own formula on how to conduct things, draft right, pay early, keep certain people.

Man,

boy, that's what they do.

They pay early with identified guy.

We drafted him, a homegrown guy.

Let's get him in year three.

You know, they got Carloftis.

Uh, it's gonna take a pretty penny to get McDuffie signed.

Um,

are they are they gonna?

Are they going to sign McDuffie?

Because you let the Legeria Sneed.

Yeah, they could, they go, yeah, they're not gonna let him go.

They're not gonna let him go

later in the presser.

Jerry tried to use Dez Bratton negotiation as reasoning for not wanting to work with Michael Parsons agent.

Let's take a listen to what Jerry said about this.

I know Jared, Jared dropped snitched on.

What does that have to do with any goddamn thing, huh?

He said the reason why I don't like working with agents because the agent told me that this client was going to be on time.

That's what he told me.

He said, I'm used to working on the street corner.

And if you work on the street corner, if you're late,

if you're early, you're late.

So, you best believe I got if they're in this organization, which was Rock Nation, they're gonna be on time.

This is this was uh, Dave's response: Jerry Jones.

I don't think it's smart mentioning my name.

I kept quiet about a lot of unfair-ish.

Oh, some g-ish.

We have a story time if that's what we do it.

Yeah, you know, you know, you know, you know, David's got he got his little piece, but you can't win that war.

You can't, there's you can't, you can't win that war.

No, you can't win that war.

And what, what I, what I, I wouldn't do.

I'm not getting into it.

I'm not getting it.

Because Jerry,

Jerry is the type of tear all your business.

Oh, Joe, that's

okay.

Dez was late for meeting.

Okay.

Yeah, I get it.

So who wasn't?

Because I was too.

But Jerry

might not like, hold on.

No, Jerry, you can't say that.

Oh, I was supposed to tell that much.

You, you know, Jerry, hey, you know, the old people, Ocho, when they measure, they don't really have no measuring.

They go by field.

They go by, okay, this and that.

Ain't no measuring cup.

See,

some

coaches, owners might measure.

Okay, I'll get a little bit.

Jared just poor.

If he can do

to Micah, who is of value to his franchise right now, what do you think he'll do to Diz, who is of no value right now?

Playing coaches.

Yeah.

You know, so I wouldn't, and also I wouldn't want to, there are certain bridges I don't want to burn.

Certain bridges I don't want to burn because you never know when you might have to cross them again.

Yeah.

Forget.

I'm sure Dad was sitting on his couch.

No, no, Dad.

No, Dad was probably playing

Madden because you say Dad's good.

Yeah, yeah.

Dad's nice.

Jesus probably say, what the hell I got to do with this?

I'm minding my own business.

And

you bring me into this.

You know what's funny is we have people on the outside, you know looking at it uh they're they're just owners and and i i i don't i want people to understand how powerful how powerful these individuals are outside of the game of football

i want people to understand so when i when i just said there's certain bridges you don't want to burn even if

okay you know what he said something you don't like well you know what there's certain things you you got to let go because you go in the war with something you will never be able to defeat and it can ruin a lot of things for you outside

if you get what I'm saying.

Them folks is very,

very, very, very powerful outside of football.

I think people don't, you know, I think people really don't, really don't understand the power that these individuals have.

Oh, yeah, they do.

I mean, the cat, just a regular, regular football fans.

Like people in the chat, I don't think they understand.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

People are.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I told them Mr.

Boland called and got my money back.

Oh, Cho.

I can.

If I give you the right tools, I can, you can probably win the war, but I got to give you the right weapons to go fight.

I don't know currently if Micah has the weapon to fight.

It's unfair.

Yep.

But now, I'm like, hello.

How long dance?

Dazz, how long you've been retiring?

Seven years?

I'm not sure why he even brought Dez's name up.

It makes no sense.

He brought because here's the thing.

You could say that you didn't have to use Daz.

You could have said there have been times that the agent told me that player X was going to get treatment.

Player X was going to do X, Y, and Z.

player X does not do that?

And I try to get on the phone with the agent.

Now, all of a sudden, he won't return the calls.

Now, but when we're negotiating money, he's calling me.

I got all it.

I got all his phone.

I got his landline.

And you know, a whole lot of people ain't got landlines no more.

But I got his landline.

I got the number to the secretary.

I got his personal phone number.

I got X, Y, and Z.

He, all I'm saying is, he didn't have to use Daz.

They ain't make no sense.

He didn't have to use Dez.

It didn't make no sense.

And I can assure you, Dez is not, but Dez, hey,

just let it rock.

You good?

Hey, you done made your money.

You straight.

You live in Dallas.

You got a nice life.

Don't mess it up with some petty bulljive.

It ain't worth it, bro.

You know that.

I know it's frustrating that he's dragging you into something you ain't got nothing to do with.

That's between Jerry Micah and David Mugletta.

That got nothing to do with Dez Brad.

Dez Brad, I don't know if there is an age, I don't know if Rock Nation has a client on the Cowboys.

I don't know.

All I do know is that Dez's name shouldn't have been brought up

when you're trying to make a point of why you don't like negotiating with agents.

But

all these millions

of the bus, huh?

Jerry throwing everybody out of the bus and back

and back and bursting over them.

Yeah, Lee, what man, what we're doing

and backed up over,

but

I thought that was the whole thing.

That's the whole thing about having an agent.

I mean, when Jerry, when I guarantee you, when Jerry goes, negotiate these hundred million dollar deals, Jerry send his hundred million dollar lawyers in there to negotiate with the other companies, hundred million dollar lawyers.

And you think him and Mooga Letter don't get along?

You think they got some personal issues or something?

No, Moogaleta are going to be looking to reset the market.

Damn.

The same thing Todd Franz did when he got Dak's money.

Now,

I don't know who represents CD, but I know Todd Franz represents that.

So, yeah, I'm looking to reset the market because I want to keep climbing higher.

And I'm trying to get as much money as I guarantee.

Because

I'm trying to get

who got the most guaranteed money?

Miles Garrett, 123 okay i'm trying to get 140 because we're gonna keep pushing it

you're gonna keep pushing it oh lamar jackson say oh did y'all see what uh josh allen got guaranteed i'm gonna need that

because he got one mvp i got matter of fact you know you know should have had three you know um

shoot lamar going back to the table after this season

Hell, Lamar tried to go back to the

table before this season.

It's going to happen.

I'm sure it hit the ticket ticket at some point.

I'm just saying, hey, I'm just saying, look,

if you're talking about north of what Josh got, I'll let your boy.

Absolutely.

If that ain't what you're looking, if that ain't what you're looking for,

what we talking about.

Damn.

I mean, what's the mark 28, 29?

He's straight.

He's good.

Boy,

man, I can't believe Jerry be doing everybody.

Yeah, man, Jerry don't care, man.

Buddy don't care, man.

He's thugging it.

Jared, you do realize these.

First of all, Jared, you do realize these are supposed to be private conversations.

Like when you talk to an agent, you're supposed to be private.

This man mentioned Jay-Z by name.

He said, I did a deal with Jay-Z myself.

So he's going to be on time.

He said, tell me where I signed at right now.

Hey, man.

Oh, I had a conversation with Mike in March at the Big 12 Championship at the Super Bowl.

That ain't got nothing to do with that.

This is business.

Man,

hey, I didn't find out, Jerry, you wearing a wire?

You telling everybody business.

Oh,

babe.

Jared put it out there, man.

Yeah, Dan's responded.

I read the quote, Jerry Jones.

I don't think it's smart to mention my name.

I kept quiet about a lot of unfair-ish on some G-ish.

We can have story time if that's what we're doing now let it rock dead let it rock uh rock nation terrence steele oh okay uh terrence steele he's uh right tackle uh on the cowboys rock nation also responded in 2015 at the club at 21 club on a napkin jerry jones juan perez sean jay-z carter and stephen jones negotiated a five-year 70 million dollar deal which included 45 million guarantee and a a $20 million signing bonus for Dev Bryant at the time, which was the second largest contract for a wide receiver in NFL history.

The claim that Mr.

Carter, a Rock Nation representative, did not return a call from Jerry Jones is not only a false statement, but it's also a comical one.

Rock Nation sports, you know, sports representative.

So now Jerry lying too.

Well, shoot, you know, who don't,

we all listen, but

he ain't handling business the right way.

He ain't handling business the right way.

Nope.

But guess what?

He don't care.

Definitely don't.

He don't care, Jay.

Ocho.

Terry McLaurin has asked commanders to trade him.

McLaurin turns 30 in September.

McLaurin in the final year.

He's in the final year, Ocho, final season of a three-year deal set to make $15.2 million base salary and is currently the 17th highest paid wide receiver receiver in terms of average annual salary.

Get my dog out of there, man.

Get my dog out of there, man.

Where you trading to?

Trading to Tennessee.

Where you trading?

Let him go over there to Tennessee with Cam real quick so Cam could do exactly what TJ Stroud did.

So he so Cam can do exactly what Jaden Daniels did

over there with the Commandos.

You know, giving them weapons.

Let put them weapons around him.

You know, we got Calvin Ridley.

We got Terry McLaurin.

And wait, hopefully we got Tyler Lockett over there too, huh?

Right.

I'm not mistaken.

Yeah, I think Tyler Lockett.

Tyler Lockett in the slot.

Come on, man.

They still got Paula, right?

Paula's still a running back.

Oh, come on, man.

Talk about

Tennessee.

Tennessee, the Dark, the Dark Horse team to make it the playoffs.

Terry McLaurin over there since they want to play games.

Goddamn, Jaden Daniels doesn't have the rocks in his back pocket to be able to go up to management right now and say, listen, I need my target.

I don't think you understand a huge part of my success was actually having number 17 as a target.

Look at some of the plays they made for us last year.

Why is it even

a no-brainer?

I don't care about him being 30.

I don't care about him being 30.

Where else are we going to get the production from?

Where?

No disrespect to Debo Samuels.

Nice.

Very nice at what he does.

Very nice in what he does.

He's a Swiss Army knife.

He can come out the back, play in the slot.

You put him in motion with the ball in his hands.

He is phenomenal.

One of the best.

When you go into a game and you're playing the commanders, they're game planning and setting the defensive formation where Terry McLaurin lines up.

What are we talking about?

If what Adam Shepherd is reporting is to be true,

he wants way north of 33 million.

They're not going there, Ojo.

They're not.

You know know that.

I know that.

I mean, not, not, not, not, not at 30.

Not at 30.

If what Adam Shepherd, like I said, Adam Schefter tweeted that.

Ash, can you find that quote and put it up on the thing to make sure it still fits the real Adam Shepherd and we're not getting a

catfish?

But if what Adam Sharp reported is that he wants north,

wait, I think the work verbiage and the terms he used was way north of 33 million but listen i want way north of 33 million

stay with me now

commanders say

we not gonna give you north of 33 million so okay let's negotiate let's find a happy medium that's not disrespectful to me and what i've done for this franchise because the numbers speaks for themselves partners yeah but

you i ain't gonna pay you for what you've done.

I already paid you for that.

I gotta pay you what Old Blieber you got.

He's 30, right?

30.

Yes.

He can very well, because of the quarterback play and the quarterback you have, he's going to be consistent.

That's a no-brainer.

He's not losing a step.

Now, I just don't, I just don't know if that number is that number,

that North.

Okay, North at 30.

All right, North at 33.

Maybe one 33 and a half.

Because think about it.

You do realize who's at 30, 34, and 35.

CD and Jetta.

Now, what we

Way North means he's 36, 37.

Give it all 32 and a half.

Give Terry McLaurin 32 and a half.

I was thinking, I was thinking more along the lines of a waddle,

somewhere between

28 and a half and 31.

Oh, Joe, I'm just, oh, Joe,

I just got, I got to be real, da.

Okay.

Here my dog's 32 and a half.

Talk to me, man.

Talk to me nice.

Huh?

We're talking about scary Terry.

We ain't talking about just knowing anybody, man.

Huh?

We talking about the one who wear the C on the chest.

We talk about the captain, the one who does everything the right way.

He says all the right things.

He's the leader of the team.

He's the leader of the offense.

His teammates gave him the C for a reason.

Now it's time to pay him for the exact leader that you're asking to be.

And now it's a problem.

that's what we're doing yeah

man that's what they're doing that's what it seems like they're doing

child please

i i think uh oh man

i think 30 million is probably what i think the 30 is is their is the drop dead number because that's where that's where tyree is ash pull up the uh top 10 pull up the other receivers uh Adam Schefter said he thinks Terry McLaurin wants considerably more than DK got, which was 33 million per year.

So considerably, more, it's going to be 35, 36, 37.

Damn.

Listen, sometimes

you got to shoot high and fast away and find a happy median.

I like it.

Shoot for the stars.

If you're laying on the moon, you're still pretty damn high.

You'll be happy.

I don't like the fact that the players are missing training cam.

I don't like it because you got, you get, you need that time to be be getting pushed and shoved and getting acclimated to the speed of the game.

You know, catching.

Okay, oh, Joe, here we are right here.

Jamar Chase is at 40, 40.25.

Jeddah, 35.

CD, 34.

DK, 33.

Garrett Wilson, 32.

AJ, 32.

Amon Ross St.

Brown, 30.

Brandon Ayu, 30.

Tyreek Hill, 30.

T.

Higgins, 28,750.

Yeah, 32 and a half.

I'm going to say that again.

32 and a half.

Anything, anything below that is disrespectful.

Put the numbers up.

Pull the numbers up.

I see.

You got them on your screen.

Did you see them?

Can you see them?

Nah, the numbers, no.

No.

But listen, listen, listen.

Anything below that is disrespectful.

Pull the numbers up.

See, I need to be.

I need to be some of these.

I need to be assistant to some of these agents when it's time for these receivers to get paid.

Because not only am I going to pull the numbers up, not only am I going to put the numbers in the market where everybody getting paid, I'm also walking there with the goddamn film.

I'm not sure what y'all been watching.

So, 32 and a half will put him at Garrett Wilson, uh, Phil Type's pay.

Hey, thank you.

Best receiver.

See,

see, okay, it's not, it's not outrageous, it's not too low, it's right in the middle, and it's not disrespectful.

I wear the C on my head.

No, he won't

he won't considerably more than 33.

boom he was shooting for the stars if i fall low i want to fall to the 32 and a half

i think you're gonna fall to 30.

no

see i i need to be in the rooms uh

i need to i need to be in the rooms when it's time for receivers negotiate to negotiate i think the owners and whoever does the numbers and the books they forgetting what you did

Coming in, I'm coming in there with the film.

I'm coming there with the film.

Forget what you talk about.

let me show you why my my client deserves what we're asking for let me show you why

play by play i'm gonna have all his catches and touchdown broken down

32 and a half let me show you why 32 and a half

down and distance different scenarios remember this right man stop playing man

what

I'm the right hey listen I'm the I'm the right one to have when it comes to negotiation and getting somebody

I agree I agree with Ocho.

I don't think 32 and a half is outrageous, but I think he's going to fall somewhere.

I think he's going to be, you know.

And I said, because remember, Waddle.

And remember, I said, I went 28 and a half, that 28 and a half.

So I think he's going to fall in that 28 and a half to 32.

That's going to be the range.

And I don't know if he's going to be too happy with that.

I'm telling you.

Because what happens is, is that you don't want to be, you don't want to come behind a guy, Ocho, when the guy got 32 and a half.

And then you come behind him, you get 31, or you get 30, because now you stunted the growth of the wide receiver.

Now, I get it.

You look at Garrett Wilson, Gary Wilson says, hey, 32.5, considering where I was, I'm cool with that.

And

right now, I can't match the production of CD, Jetta, and Chase.

So I can't go up there and say, hey,

y'all need to break me off like that.

Because Jetta is on some historic issue.

Chase is on some historic issues.

There's levels to everything.

in life, there's levels, yes, so that's what, and so when you look at it like that, but I get what Terry McLaurin says.

Hold on, no, bro, look, I ain't y'all need to break me off

32 and a half.

That's it, that's it, okay, 32 and a half.

Oh, y'all say 32 and a half don't pay him 32 and a half.

I'm gonna go off on management.

I don't know where, but they're gonna hear me.

They're gonna, they're gonna hear me.

They're gonna.

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