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Speaker 25 Beat the Falcons 23-20. Cam Ward finishes 2 of 7 for 42 yards.
Should have had one more completion. He should have been 3 of 7 at the bare minimum, Ocho.

Speaker 25 But

Speaker 25 from what you saw,

Speaker 25 What did you like about what you saw from Cam Ward?

Speaker 26 I mean, listen, a continuation of what he did the first preseason of the game. Obviously, it was only two for seven, but there was a drop, Van Jefferson on that over route that he should have had.

Speaker 26 That was a, that was a beautiful throw. I've seen a lot of people in the comments when I mentioned the throw, being that it was overthrown.
And I'm like, what are you talking about?

Speaker 25 That's a catchable ball.

Speaker 25 For a professional receiver?

Speaker 26 Yeah, that's a very catchable ball. And it was a dime.
Outside of that,

Speaker 26 a few drops. He had a few drops.
But other than that, it was good. It was good.

Speaker 26 People will look at the stat line and say, it doesn't look the same as opposed to how he did in the first game, but still he was the same calm poise and control of everything and and he made good decisions with the ball

Speaker 26 yeah i i i agree i agree with you ojo uh my thing when i'm watching is his his his poise and patience in the pocket him not getting rattled and he making the right reads on ocho that's i think that's the biggest key you know i sit back and watch these young guys come into this league this grown man league uh just to see how they adapt and how they are in the pocket whether it's you know cam ward or should i enjoy watching those guys play, man.

Speaker 26 They

Speaker 26 look like they're in for a pretty good season. Yeah.
What I will say to Ang and Joe,

Speaker 26 what we have to be cautious about is it is preseason. These defenses are very, very vanilla, and the quarterbacks haven't got hit yet.

Speaker 26 I know they're rookie, I know they look polished, you know, based on what we've seen so far.

Speaker 26 But when you get hit upside the head a few times, you know, and you get to jitters a little bit, will they still be able to have that same calmness, that same relax, that same poise under pressure when you've been hit or sacked a couple of times?

Speaker 25 You can play fast, but not in a hurry.

Speaker 25 I think the thing is, is that you have more time than you think. And a lot of times when rookies come in,

Speaker 25 they speed themselves up. And it's normally their second year, Joe.
And Ocho, you heard people say this all the time. All of a sudden, the game slowed down for me.
Yeah.

Speaker 25 And that's what you want to have happen. You want the game to slow down.
You don't want the game to speed you up.

Speaker 26 Absolutely.

Speaker 25 Play fast, but don't play in a hurry. I like Cam Ward's poise.
I agree with you, Joe. I like his poise.
I thought he was very deliberate.

Speaker 25 Yeah, he had some very unfortunate situation where the guy dropped the ball. A professional wide receiver.
Got to make that catch. Now, if you're in high school, you don't make that catch.
Okay, fine.

Speaker 25 Bro, you A.

Speaker 25 But as a professional, a guy that's getting paid to catch the football, those are the type of, that's what you're paid for.

Speaker 26 Yeah.

Speaker 25 That's what you're paying for. You're paying, you know, to make the difficult ones.
I mean, hey, you're going to make the routine.

Speaker 25 You got to make enough of the routine ones, but every once in a while, you got to come down with a, you know, you got to help your quarterback out.

Speaker 25 He's not going to always be able to hit you between the numbers.

Speaker 25 And so now this is your opportunity to help him out.

Speaker 25 But I like what I saw from Cam Ward. I really did.

Speaker 25 Atlanta fell behind, but, you know, Austin, Easton, Eastonstick,

Speaker 25 he came in and threw the ball because, you know, Phoenix Jr. didn't play at all.

Speaker 25 That's the only thing to ojo. I was like, damn, they don't let these guys play at all.

Speaker 26 Yeah.

Speaker 25 Ocho, I couldn't even imagine. Could you imagine standing on the sideline, the first, second preseason game, Ocho, and not even dressed out?

Speaker 26 Hey, you know,

Speaker 26 you know how I am. You've heard enough stories about how it was.

Speaker 26 I'm practicing. I'm not, excuse me, not practicing.
I'm playing in the preseason. I don't care.

Speaker 26 I do not care. Joe,

Speaker 26 I had my coach every preseason game.

Speaker 26 I forced Coach Lewis to call timeouts in the preseason. Joe, just to get me out of the game, man, I need these reps.

Speaker 26 I need to get acclimated to game speed game speed i don't care if you can practice 100 times joe we could practice 100 times when you like

Speaker 26 it's different

Speaker 26 and i wanted my body i wanted my body get accustomed to that as fast as possible before week one came along

Speaker 25 go ahead joe go ahead man i think uh a lot of the guys especially the top guys who don't really play a lot in the preseason okay oh joe is it because they take all the reps and snaps in practice and they don't want to hold them into the game we don't like uh we we normally we normally break it down joe we normally have 50 to 60 plays practices scripted and of those 10 plays so we go i don't know how y'all did ocho but we did 10 plays yeah the starters the starters would probably take six to seven of those snaps now maybe there's a uh maybe it's maybe a repeat something didn't go well and mike would say okay i want to see that again with the starters but you're going to take at least seven the starters going to take at least at bare minimum seven of those reps and then the other three will get divided up and okay fine yeah but so you're going to get the lion's share of the rep

Speaker 25 the reason why it's different ojo yeah is because you got to realize come game time your pads are taped down now they feel tighter yeah a lot of guys got all their pads in their pants they're gonna feel tighter So I needed to get accustomed to that because in practice, ain't nobody taping no jerseys?

Speaker 25 Right.

Speaker 26 No.

Speaker 25 We're taping our jerseys now. I mean, come game time, we take, take a them things tight, yeah, tight, tight.

Speaker 25 Hey, look,

Speaker 26 go ahead, and y'all know, y'all know the fans, they're ready to see it. I wanted to see Pennas get out there a little bit and spin it, you know, at least for a quarter, Uncan Ocho.

Speaker 26 But, you know, I know he got some high-power weapons. He's talked a lot, you know, in this past week about how high-powered they are offensively and what he expects out of that Falcons core.

Speaker 26 with that wide receiver core that he has. And

Speaker 26 I think a lot is going to determine on how quick he can pick up on things and

Speaker 26 how soon can he adapt to being like one of the top quarterbacks in this league.

Speaker 25 All I know is this.

Speaker 25 If I'm going big game hunting,

Speaker 25 the first time I fire my weapon, ain't going to want to see that big game. I'm going to get some shots offered.
Yeah. I know y'all don't hunt, so excuse me, but I'm just trying to give you an analogy.

Speaker 25 You understand what I'm saying. If I'm going big game hunting, the first time

Speaker 25 I fire that shot, it's not going to see what I'm looking at something.

Speaker 25 I'm going to make sure this thing is capable of firing.

Speaker 26 Right.

Speaker 26 In case you have to make some adjustments.

Speaker 25 Exactly. Exactly.

Speaker 25 Maybe my aim,

Speaker 25 maybe there's some adjustments that I need to make, but I'm not going into the game without having seen these guys do something.

Speaker 25 OTAs and mini caps and training camp and joint practices, all that's fine and good.

Speaker 26 But that rhythm and time.

Speaker 25 That ain't the game. Even joint practices are different than the actual game.

Speaker 25 Your mindset is different than the actual game. Absolutely.
And so that's, and like I said, I think my last year, Mike said, hey, you're not going,

Speaker 25 but I want you to come in, get some work. So I came in, got my 15, 21, 10s.
He said, hey, just warm up. Hey, get your good workout in.

Speaker 25 And that's it for the evening because I want to take a look at these other guys and see what I got. I already know what I got with you, 84.
Okay, cool. But, Ocho, I hadn't played three games.

Speaker 25 Hell, I played the first game, the second game, the third game. So, what the hell is he looking for in the fourth game that I haven't done in the first three that he needed to see in game four?

Speaker 25 So, I get that. But these guys, Ocho, they start, they don't play game one, they don't play game two.
I'm like, and some of them don't play at all.

Speaker 26 But

Speaker 26 the preseason is a lot shorter nowadays, right?

Speaker 25 Yeah, it's only three games.

Speaker 26 It's only three games.

Speaker 26 And even in the NBA, NBA, it's a lot shorter. We should play at least 10 games.
So I think it's a lot shorter, like five or six games now. Yeah.
So, uh,

Speaker 26 yeah, man, these, these, these guys waiting, man, that rhythm and timing are Ocho. You can't substitute that, bro.

Speaker 26 You can't substitute them game reps, man. You can't substitute that.
You can go, you can go and practice and run as many drills as you want. It just don't add up.
Nah,

Speaker 26 no, sir.

Speaker 25 Yeah, but that's that's that's the difference now, Ocho. That's not what we have.
Ocho, we might have been able to get a cup squeeze a couple of more years, Ocho. I took some hits in preseason.

Speaker 26 It was like this.

Speaker 25 Hey, I played 14 years. I played in the preseason every year at least three to four games.
Yeah. Ocho, by you bulljab, and that's two seasons.

Speaker 26 Hey,

Speaker 25 I could have got 16. No, I was good.

Speaker 25 I was good. But

Speaker 25 I like what I saw with Cam Ward. I think he's going to be fine as long as they can protect him.

Speaker 25 I like the receivers, but they're going to have, you know, sometimes you got to make tough catches for your quarterback. Sometimes you got to help him out.

Speaker 25 You ask the quarterback to help you out. Like, I would always say, John, just protect me.
I'm going to make an attempt, even when I'm going over the middle. Right.

Speaker 25 Give me an opportunity because I want to take the shot in my back, not in my face.

Speaker 25 Because if worst come to worst, Ocho, I'm going to jump like this here, over the middle, and take the shot in the back. Yeah, I ain't really trying to do this like this here and get the shot that

Speaker 25 takes the shot in the back, Joe. I ain't trying to get that face on.

Speaker 25 Um, kind of like what uh, you remember what Antwan Bolden got hit, yeah, remember that that shot he took it, and yeah, and he came back.

Speaker 25 You don't want that shot in the face, you want that shot in the back, so you always tell your quarterback to protect you

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Speaker 25 Ocho, the Bears beat the Bills 38-0. Today is the first time the Bears fans can see what Caleb Williams can do in Ben Johnson's offense.
The opening drive, Williams led on a seven-play, 92-yard drive.

Speaker 25 Williams completed five of six, 97 yards. 36 of those yards came on a touchdown pass to

Speaker 25 Olamedade,

Speaker 25 Is a cake Zacchaeus?

Speaker 26 Yeah.

Speaker 25 Man,

Speaker 25 I know it's the preseason, Ocho, and I don't want to get too, I don't, I don't want to, I don't want to get too far in front of this, but the Bears look good. Right.

Speaker 26 Why was I just getting ready to say that? I was getting ready to say the same thing. Listen, I know what Caleb Williams could do.

Speaker 26 I've seen him at USC. I've seen flats of him last year.

Speaker 26 Without someone like Ben Johnson at the helm to help him develop, without Ben Johnson's creativity from an offensive standpoint, understanding what he can do and help caleb get to that next level at the quarterback position i want to talk about that goddamn luther burden

Speaker 26 that goddamn luther burden boy look good boy

Speaker 26 that goddamn rookie at receiver bro luther i've never met you before but you look good tonight obviously in the preseason people say oh it's preseason don't get too high don't get too low just but you look good boy I've been watching, I've been watching the past two weeks.

Speaker 26 This week, I mean, it doesn't matter who's throwing the ball. I'm not sure why he's running with the twos and the threes.

Speaker 25 What do you mean? So,

Speaker 25 so he's going to play in front of Roman Dunze and

Speaker 25 DJ Moore. No, no, no, no.

Speaker 26 Obviously, I mean, three receiver sets.

Speaker 25 Okay, Zakias is in the slot.

Speaker 26 Ooh, that's A.

Speaker 26 A.

Speaker 26 They got some decisions to make over there offensively because he looked.

Speaker 25 Now, maybe when they go five wides, and you saw they ran a lot of tight ends that they had Loveland, they had Cole Komet.

Speaker 25 Now, he is a multiple set. He is a he'll run a lot of different sets.
He'll go two tights. He'll go three wides.
He'll go five wides. He'll go, you know, empty and put his backs out.

Speaker 25 But this offense looked really,

Speaker 25 I thought overall, I thought they played well. I thought the defense got after the Bills.
I thought the offense moved the ball, whether it was Williams, Bajette,

Speaker 25 I guess that's how you say his name. He came in with 13 to 22 for 196 in a touchdown.
I thought Williams was unbelievable. The opening drive to go 92 yards on five or six passing.
He had 107 yards.

Speaker 25 They had over 500 yards of offense. And like I said, I I don't want to get too far in front of myself, but they look good.
Right, right, right. But they did look good.

Speaker 25 And they're going to be a lot better because they have a guy that has an offensive mind because you got a quarterback and you need somebody that's imaginative, that has an imagination to put him in position and say, hey, son, I want you to be you.

Speaker 25 I'm going to put you in the best position possible. The offensive line is much improved.
The offensive line is much improved.

Speaker 25 Very much. The Bears look good.

Speaker 25 And Chad, y'all, look, I know it's preseason. It's only the second game of preseason.
And I really don't want to

Speaker 25 get a speeding ticket.

Speaker 25 But let's just say I'm going 40 to 35. I ain't going 55, 60, but

Speaker 25 I'm a little over the speed limit. I'm liking what I'm seeing from the Bears.

Speaker 26 Yeah, and I'm going to say this again. I think I said it on either last night's show or maybe I said it sometime last week.

Speaker 26 The same teams that are always in contention are going to be in contention this year. Chad, I'm going out on a limb.
I'm going to say it before the season even gets here.

Speaker 26 The two teams that I think are the dark horses to surprise everybody and make a run

Speaker 26 and having a playoff appearance,

Speaker 26 the Chicago Bears and the Carolina Panthers. I'm telling you, people might, people might in the chat, you might laugh, you might say, yeah, right, whatever, whatever.
I'm telling you, watch.

Speaker 26 And when it happens,

Speaker 26 don't call me Ultra Damas.

Speaker 26 I just know. I just understand how things are going to play out.

Speaker 26 I'm excited. I'm excited for the football season, man.
You don't understand.

Speaker 25 Yeah, it's right around the corner.

Speaker 25 It's right around the corner.

Speaker 25 What, September 4th?

Speaker 26 Yeah, Thursday night.

Speaker 25 Dallas and the Eagles. So we're about three weeks away.

Speaker 25 Well,

Speaker 25 we're two weeks from Thursday, right? So two weeks from Thursday.

Speaker 26 Okay, that's not bad. What the hell are we supposed to do in between that time?

Speaker 25 We'll find something to talk about. We'll talk about you scored zero points in a big three celebrity

Speaker 25 that's a whole that's a whole show by itself

Speaker 26 i mean it is a whole show by itself i gotta see if i score zero and we lost but the the point of a team game is the way first of all you can't score zero

Speaker 26 i mean you you can score whatever you want you had zero you know if you score that means you put something on the board i i ain't scored no touchdowns understanding I was listening listen there there there are other so many other aspects to my game outside of just scoring because we already had two prolific scores on the court so what did i do my defensive presence huh hey i was i was like this i'm talking about they they couldn't even they couldn't even get by me and then i had them messing up turning the ball over huh you should have saw me huh you should have been

Speaker 25 turned over

Speaker 25 he did 21 and 13.

Speaker 26 i made hold

Speaker 26 i made gilly turn it over twice through turn the ball over twice just playing defense and they tried to pick and i squeezed right through the pick like michael jackson went right through the pick.

Speaker 26 Oh, no, no, no, no, sir. I got skinny real quick.

Speaker 26 I got skinny real quick. No,

Speaker 25 you fought over the screen.

Speaker 26 No, I went. No, no, no, I ain't.
I ain't.

Speaker 25 I ain't fought through it. I went both.

Speaker 26 Yeah, I went right through it. But I got skinny, so it didn't work.

Speaker 26 Yeah, but hey, listen, man, listen. So many other aspects of my game was on point where I didn't even need to be a score.
That's how great I am.

Speaker 26 That's how great I am.

Speaker 25 I think in watching the Bears, I think Ibra Flukes and his system or whomever he had coaching Caleb Williams, this is the best. This is the best we've seen the Bears' offense.

Speaker 25 Look, Chicago scored zero touchdowns on its opening possessions last year.

Speaker 25 So, in 17 games, they had zero touchdowns on opening possessions. And like I said, I understand this is a preseason game.
They had the most drives ending in punts.

Speaker 25 They were dead last in total offense. So, I look, you can't go nowhere, but

Speaker 26 the Bears were dead last in total offense last year?

Speaker 25 Yes, 32.

Speaker 26 I like them to finish in the top 10.

Speaker 26 I like them to finish in the top 10 with all them goddamn weapons.

Speaker 25 They got some weapons.

Speaker 25 They had two, I mean,

Speaker 25 they had 43 carries. And the thing is that I like about him that he'll run it and he'll throw it.
They had 39 pass attempts. they had 43 rush attempts.

Speaker 25 First of all,

Speaker 25 that's a lot of damn plays, even for a preseason.

Speaker 25 Yeah,

Speaker 25 let's get that out of the way.

Speaker 26 But

Speaker 26 it's the Bills' fault. It's the Bills' fault.
Too many goddamn three and outs.

Speaker 25 Drubisky, Mike White.

Speaker 25 Frank Gore Jr. looked good.
He had a fumble, but

Speaker 25 he reminds you of his dad.

Speaker 25 Yeah, you got to have that thing high and tight especially when that truck he ain't said you know he didn't see him coming he saw the guy from the side and that guy just

Speaker 26 pulled it outside but i but

Speaker 25 and they are in a tough division that is a very tough division that the bears are in you got green bay you got detroit you got minnesota so you got to get better

Speaker 25 you don't have you don't have no choice

Speaker 26 One thing you have to get better on is putting up points.

Speaker 25 Oh, you got to score. Because

Speaker 26 every other team you just named,

Speaker 26 they putting up points. And I'm not talking about field goals either.

Speaker 25 But it's going to be interesting to see what Detroit is without Ben Johnson.

Speaker 26 Well, hey, wait a minute, you got to understand, even without Ben Johnson there, the same players are still.

Speaker 26 So I think even with the creativity, regardless, if the creativity isn't there, the players that are called, they still have players that can go get it. Jameson Wilson, Jamie.
Jameson Williams. Yeah.

Speaker 26 Williams.

Speaker 25 Oh, God.

Speaker 26 Why am I talking so fast? Slow down, Ocho, slow down. J-Mo, can go get it.
Amon Ross St. Brown can go get it.

Speaker 26 Jameer, you know what you get from David Montgomery and Jameer Gibb because, I mean, I think regardless of who's calling the plays, the play calling job is that easy because of the elite talent at his disposal to be able to use.

Speaker 25 Well, if it was that easy, so why wasn't Chicago any better than what they were if all it was about the players? Because they got the same players.

Speaker 26 Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Speaker 26 There's no Amon Ross St. Brown.

Speaker 25 But you said, we said they look good.

Speaker 25 did we not say the bears look good now what play what player that we said looked good that wasn't there last year

Speaker 25 you told me it's the players it doesn't matter who the play caller is so it shouldn't matter that ibra flues was there or whomever the play caller was oh i'm listening i'm speaking specifically on personnel and skills

Speaker 25 caleb williams was he not the quarterback

Speaker 26 um let's let's please no no you're you're not you i'm understanding what you said

Speaker 26 i'm going by position I'll tell you what.

Speaker 25 How about this here?

Speaker 26 Who has the better players? And I mean, no disrespect to what the Bears have.

Speaker 25 I'm just saying. Take the Bears aside.
We're going to deal with the Bears.

Speaker 26 It's levels, right?

Speaker 25 I give you another example.

Speaker 25 What happened to the Eagles when they lost both of their coordinators after going to the Super Bowl? They had the same players. Jalen Hurst was there, A.J.
Brown was there, Devontae Smith was there.

Speaker 25 What happened the next season? Did they look the same?

Speaker 25 It's not a trick question.

Speaker 26 Hold on, I know it's not a trick question, but I'm

Speaker 25 trying to think.

Speaker 25 They went to the Super Bowl,

Speaker 25 they lost both coordinators, the offensive coordinator and the defensive coordinators. The same players were there.

Speaker 25 Did they look the same?

Speaker 26 Oh, wait, hey,

Speaker 26 is that the year where the defense couldn't tackle a goddamn couldn't tackle a soul?

Speaker 25 You said it didn't matter.

Speaker 26 Yeah, I think I see what he's telling you.

Speaker 25 Hey, no, we know why you're gonna put me in there.

Speaker 26 You make a two different points. Because the Eagles' problem was their defense.
They wouldn't tackle no guy.

Speaker 25 What about the offense? And

Speaker 26 to that point, it looked like they was doing it on goddamn purpose.

Speaker 25 What about the offense? How'd the offense look?

Speaker 26 It was all right. It was all right.

Speaker 25 Jalen Hurts had more turnover in the first half of the season than he had the entire season the year before. But you say they look the same.

Speaker 26 Oh, no, but you can't. Wait, hold on.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You can't blame the offensive wolves on the individual players.

Speaker 25 I'm asking.

Speaker 25 Did their offense look the same as the offense that went to the Super Bowl? Did their defense look the same as the defense that led them to the Super Bowl? That's all I'm asking.

Speaker 26 No, but listen,

Speaker 26 I tell you what. I tell you what.

Speaker 26 I love the points you're trying to make, but I know the makeup of the Detroit Lions offense, that they're still going to look to par regardless of whether Ben Johnson is there or not because of what they what about defense?

Speaker 25 They lost AG2, though.

Speaker 26 Ooh, that's nice. They still got Brian Branch.

Speaker 26 They still got

Speaker 26 Aiden Hutchinson. He's back.

Speaker 26 Yeah, he's back.

Speaker 26 They got one more dog over there. I'm

Speaker 25 losing. I'm losing.
Are you talking about the Kerry Joseph?

Speaker 26 Yes, the safety. Kerry Joseph.
Hell, he had what?

Speaker 25 I think he had eight or nine picks.

Speaker 26 Eight interceptions.

Speaker 26 Terry Arnard.

Speaker 25 He got to do it.

Speaker 25 He got to keep his hands to himself.

Speaker 26 Why would they just get rid of the say he just had?

Speaker 26 Yeah, that's it. That's it.
I think they're going to be right on both sides of the ball. I know one thing, they're going to put some points up.

Speaker 25 It's always sometimes you have a like, it takes you, it nor sometimes it takes a team a year to adjust.

Speaker 29 Yeah.

Speaker 25 Right. Without, because Ben has been there so long.
I mean, he's been there, what, what, four or five years? I mean,

Speaker 25 that's the only person that Jerry Goff has had in his ear ear since he's been in Detroit.

Speaker 25 AG, he's been to D.C. for what, three years there? So it's very good.
They're an extremely talented ball club.

Speaker 25 They're one of the favorites, along with the Eagles,

Speaker 25 the Eagles,

Speaker 25 Detroit, the Packers, the Niners,

Speaker 25 you know,

Speaker 25 Tampa.

Speaker 26 Hey, hold on. I got a question, huh?

Speaker 26 You just said the Niners. Do you think the Niners are still going to look the same?

Speaker 26 No,

Speaker 25 they got Robert Salah back.

Speaker 25 Debo didn't give them anything last year, Ocho. He didn't give them anything last year.

Speaker 25 But here's the thing.

Speaker 25 They also get, let's just say they get a healthy Christian McCaffrey back.

Speaker 25 Now, it's going to be interesting to see how healthy Brandon Ayuki is and how soon. Because sometimes, Ocho, it's the year after the surgery.

Speaker 25 It's the following year, not the season right after the surgery, it's the year after.

Speaker 26 Right.

Speaker 25 So

Speaker 25 we'll see how soon. But, you know,

Speaker 25 they still got an outstanding offensive line.

Speaker 25 Big Trent, let's see how healthy he is. Can he get back to being Trent Williams? Kittle is still a top tight end in the league.

Speaker 26 Absolutely. Purdy.

Speaker 25 Now, they did lose some guys, Dre Greenlaw, Ward. They lost some guys.

Speaker 25 Hafanga.

Speaker 25 They've lost some guys on the defensive side, but Robert Salah is back. That defense wasn't the same.

Speaker 26 Hey, did they ever fix

Speaker 26 receiver, Jawan Jennings?

Speaker 25 No, I haven't heard anything else about it. I haven't heard anything else about it.

Speaker 26 Yeah, he's nice for the work he put in and stepping up when Ayuka went down and when Debo was hurt. And he made some really, really good plays and

Speaker 26 made sure they didn't miss a beat offensively. I hope to reward him before the season starts.

Speaker 25 Yeah, it's kind of Ojo, kind of like the situation that Cam Hayward is in.

Speaker 25 Because remember, they tore up Cam Hayward, gave him a two-year deal, and then he played well and said, well, I can't see myself playing on this number because...

Speaker 25 because other guys, he saw other defensive players get pay raises.

Speaker 25 Sometimes the worst thing you can do is base your worth on what somebody else got.

Speaker 25 Ooh.

Speaker 25 That's a good idea.

Speaker 25 I don't know. They used to do it.
I don't know if they still did it when you was there. You remember they used to pass the thing around the shoot around? All the receivers.

Speaker 25 They had all the highest paid because you're a receiver. So you saw what everybody else made.
You like he making that.

Speaker 25 Plus, you got all the guys on your own team, plus every receiver, what they're making.

Speaker 25 Oh man, man, that thing come out there. Hey, I get that thing.
I be looking at some of my team and like,

Speaker 25 you make that?

Speaker 25 And you giving us that?

Speaker 26 How about them boys tonight?

Speaker 25 Boy, y'all defense steal some trash.

Speaker 26 Wait a minute. Wait a minute now.

Speaker 26 Let's not do that. Let's not do that.
Now we look, we look very bad on the first two drives that the commanders had the ball.

Speaker 25 They took their starters out.

Speaker 26 But we look better. We look better from that point on.
Let's be optimistic. Let's be optimistic about the situation.
Ocho,

Speaker 25 did you see how they ran down the field, O y'all?

Speaker 26 Yes.

Speaker 26 I can tell you who blew the assignment. I can tell you who blew the Simon.

Speaker 25 Who blew the Simon?

Speaker 26 Like the Mike Backer.

Speaker 25 He didn't scrape over the top.

Speaker 25 He's scraping underneath.

Speaker 26 You knowing you can't get there underneath and all that.

Speaker 25 He tried to shoot the cab. He tried to pull a Ray Lewis on him.
What are we doing? What are we doing?

Speaker 26 And they did it twice.

Speaker 26 Did it twice. And the guy bounced right outside and he gone.

Speaker 25 We had a conversation last night.

Speaker 25 I said, ocho i want to see their backs and it'll give us a better understanding why brian robinson jr is on the trade block well we see why he's on the trade block we saw those two backs from washington

Speaker 26 now now it makes sense i don't know how much you could speak for yourself but it makes a lot of a ton of sense to me it it does make sense but obviously brian robinson we've seen what he can do and i just saw some reports obviously doing my little homework talking about he runs a little bit timid not hitting the hole and just just stuff like that i'm not sure if if the injury history is probably a cause of that but obviously they like the young bulls especially bill he doesn't want to be called jacob his name is bill bill

Speaker 25 bill uh

Speaker 25 hold on you got

Speaker 25 yes rodriguez no no the other one the other one oh oh a uh uh coski

Speaker 25 because what's his full name The one that Jaylen, that Jayden Daniels got the ball back for?

Speaker 26 Yeah, yes, sir. Yes, sir.

Speaker 26 C say you want to be called Bill. I'm going to call him Bill.

Speaker 25 Okay.

Speaker 25 I mean, 30 rush attempts, Ocho, for 185 yards and two touchdowns.

Speaker 25 I mean, you look at it, the two top guys, 17 rushes between the two of them for 108 yards.

Speaker 25 And y'all got, look,

Speaker 25 Lovu,

Speaker 25 everybody in the stadium, everybody at home knew the Bengal were not going to snap that ball at the 38-yard line on fourth and three, except you.

Speaker 26 Yeah.

Speaker 25 And you jumped off sides.

Speaker 25 Everybody, nobody, when they start doing all that motion, when they bring the guy outside, they bring him to the backfield, then they sprint him out there. They're not running no play, bro.

Speaker 25 They're trying to get you to jump off sides and you did it. Yeah.
I get, ocho, we get New England,

Speaker 25 the Eagles last year. Remember on the goal line and he jumped off sides like five times, four or five times in a row?

Speaker 25 And the officials say, you know, if you keep doing this, we're just going to award them the score. I get, okay, fine.
They're going to score the touch push. They're going to score anyway.

Speaker 25 But in a situation like this, these kind of plays that get you beat.

Speaker 25 Guess what happened, OJo? Didn't they go right down the field and score a touchdown?

Speaker 26 Yes, we did. Yes, we did.
I want to talk about how good our offense looked, except that second series,

Speaker 26 that second series with Joe Burrow

Speaker 26 and the number twos.

Speaker 25 Yeah, yeah, I don't know why he did that.

Speaker 25 Joe know better.

Speaker 26 He pulled back all the running and scrambling.

Speaker 25 Yeah, throw that thing away, Joe, because you don't want to take any unnecessary hits.

Speaker 26 Unnecessary punishment, yeah.

Speaker 25 And he got bailed out again because uh, oh, oh, brown got beat. And why is this happening to horse call him?

Speaker 25 Um,

Speaker 25 they're gonna have to do a better job of protecting Joe, but oh, Joe, your offense has to look good because that's where all your money is.

Speaker 25 So, wherever your money is, that's the side of that's the side of the football you're really gonna have to win on, yeah.

Speaker 26 Most definitely, most definitely.

Speaker 25 And look at the Broncos when we played in the 90s, TD, myself, John, Zim, Rod.

Speaker 26 Yeah,

Speaker 25 so that's where the money was, so that's where we had to be. That's where we, that's where we had to be.
Yeah.

Speaker 25 So,

Speaker 25 yeah, I thought your offense, you know, Joe was, I mean, Joe was what? 9 of 14, 62 yards. Jake Browning came in, but Jake Browning, you know, he plays well when asked and given the opportunity, Ocho.

Speaker 25 He plays well. 16 of 25, 159, two touchdowns.
Desmond Ritter came in there, threw one pass. He was one of one for seven yards.

Speaker 25 But,

Speaker 25 and they were going down the field again, and then Josh Johnson threw a hobble interception. Yeah, um,

Speaker 26 oh, oh, Josh, boy, that's my dog there, man.

Speaker 26 Good to see Josh. Good to see Josh still out there, man, working and working and working.

Speaker 25 Yeah, yeah, hey,

Speaker 25 he done, he done. I mean, hey, he don't collect, he collects his own jerseys.

Speaker 25 Hey, he ain't got no other player, he ain't got no other player jersey. You know, you trade jerseys, oh, hey, I just collect my own.
He got by 14.

Speaker 26 I think he's uh, he's been on 16 of the 32 teams, 16 of the 32.

Speaker 25 Damn.

Speaker 26 Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 25 I like it. So, hey, so if he ever want to coach, he knows somebody.
Somebody somewhere.

Speaker 26 Hey, absolutely. Absolutely.
And listen,

Speaker 26 when you play that long at that position, they will definitely give you a job.

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Speaker 25 All right, guys, joining us, joining us in the chat right now. is the New York Giants running back.
Last season as a rookie, he ran 192 times, 839 yards, five TDs, and he's back, Tyrone Tracy Jr.

Speaker 25 What's up, bro?

Speaker 26 What's good, man? How you doing?

Speaker 25 Man, I'm doing great, man. How are you?

Speaker 26 I'm good.

Speaker 26 I'm gonna call you. I'm gonna call you TT.
I'm gonna call you TT because I feel like

Speaker 25 they call you. You want to be called TT?

Speaker 26 TT, Trace, you know, TTJ. You know, you gotta be home, man.

Speaker 26 Don't call me Tracy. Don't call me Tracy.
I can't. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, I wouldn't do that. So,

Speaker 26 I have a question. First off, my first question is: How is training camp going so far? How are your legs holding up? And have you hit that wall yet? Have you hit that training camp wall yet?

Speaker 26 Yeah, I mean, I ain't gonna lie, they've been taking care of us, to be honest. Like, he's been, he's been doing a good job making sure that, like, you know, we

Speaker 26 putting in work, but then also like, you know, giving us a bowing, you know, here and there, making sure, you know,

Speaker 26 you know, off days, we taking care of, you know, the recovery aspect of everything. But I'm good, you know, camp been good.
Everything been good. The vibes in the locker room is high.

Speaker 26 You got new faces in the locker room. So everything been smooth.
Yeah. So, hey, hold on, hold on

Speaker 26 i'm feeling good tonight why i'm finna talk but listen i got i got one more question your rookie season

Speaker 26 season five touchdown 900 something yards on whatever may however many carries it was i know you set goals for yourself you have goals but obviously as players going into a season you have personal goals as well what will your personal goals be if it's okay with you sharing it with us tonight yeah your personal goals for this season Yeah, I mean, to be honest with you.

Speaker 26 So my personal goals

Speaker 26 is first and foremost, you got to win. I feel like if you don't win, nothing else matters.
But obviously, I want to do way better than I did last year.

Speaker 26 Last year was really just, you know, obviously my first year in the league, welcome to the league, all that stuff. But now I feel more confident.

Speaker 26 I feel like, you know, I got the energy behind me, but I also got, you know, the trust behind me as well from the coaching staff and my teammates to go out there and play well.

Speaker 26 I want, you know, 1,500 yards. I want 10 tuds.

Speaker 26 I want to be, you know, one of the running backs that people talk about. Like, you know, this is stuff I pray for.
You know what I'm saying? I feel like

Speaker 26 for me to say it in front of you guys, but then also like, you know, say it to myself each and every day.

Speaker 26 You know, that's something that you need to say, you know, the power of life and death lies within the tongue.

Speaker 26 So I got to continue to speak life into my situation for each and every person I'm around. You know what I'm saying? So

Speaker 26 yeah,

Speaker 26 that's how I'm moving right now.

Speaker 25 Like that.

Speaker 25 Speaking into existence, we were, Ocho and I were just talking about

Speaker 25 practice fights when you have scrimmages, joint, joint, practice scrimmages. And there was a little scuffle yesterday.

Speaker 25 What popped off with you and Will McDonough?

Speaker 26 They never really pop off, man.

Speaker 26 Y'all been there. Y'all been there.

Speaker 26 I can't get. You know, it's high competition.
You know, it's the best against the best. You know what I'm saying? I had a good little run.

Speaker 26 He was just finishing the play, and my officing line didn't like that. Right.
You know what I'm saying? So

Speaker 25 that's really what happened you know he he threw me to the ground my officing line didn't like they had my back yeah it really wasn't nothing it wasn't nothing crazy man you know we don't we seen worse you know y'all probably seen worse too yeah hey let me ask you this oh go ahead go ahead did brian blake because like ultra and i was just talking okay we when you have a joint practice okay coaches go over look nine on seven it's gonna be solid thuds we're not taking anybody to the ground but they're gonna be some thudding going on okay and seven on a and uh and team they're not gonna take it to the ground but it's gonna be some collisions so just expect it so you go in with a mindset okay this is what it's gonna be x y and z i'm good with that i'm prepared it's when you do something extra is what because your coach had a conversation with our coach and this is what they agreed to now when you step outside of that scope i got to check you yeah oh yeah that's exactly what happened to be honest with you dude yeah they told me like coach days came to me personally he was like yo like we we know it's tag off but just be prepared in between the tackle box.

Speaker 25 Yeah, they're going to

Speaker 26 hit you. So I'm like, okay, okay, cool.
Like, you know, I'm cool with that. Like, in between, talk about, you know, that's 10 yards.
You know what I'm saying? They going to hit you. Okay, cool.

Speaker 26 But this happened, you know, I'm about to go score. So we 15 yards down the line of scrimmage.
Like,

Speaker 26 I'm running.

Speaker 26 So that's really why, you know. the scuffling started just because like

Speaker 26 that that wasn't the rules the rules is in between the line of scrimmage boom you get 15 yards, you can hit.

Speaker 26 But other than that, like, you know, let me finish my run because I'm just trying to do my job. You know what I'm saying? Finish off a run.
But, you know,

Speaker 26 like I said, man, we just people had my back and they didn't like that. That's all.
Yeah, that's dope. Hey, Jackson, Jackson Dart.
Oh, yeah. I knew you was going there.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 26 One of y'all was going to go there, but I knew one of y'all was going to go there. Listen, listen,

Speaker 26 I'm asking. My question is, is Malik Neighbors having a very, very, very, very good year last year? And I'm, I knew him.
And

Speaker 26 Malik Neighbors had the talent to be in the top five conversation. We talk about receivers in the NFL.
Yeah.

Speaker 26 How is Jackson Thart looking so far as far as being able to understand the offense, being in command of the offense, and understanding, like, this is a chance that I can be the future for the next decade for this team?

Speaker 26 Yeah.

Speaker 26 Did you watch that last game? Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 25 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 26 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. As a matter of fact, they were three quarterbacks that looked really good because we didn't know what we were going to get from them.
Jackson Dart was one of them.

Speaker 26 The other, George Sanders, and there was one more campaign.

Speaker 25 Jameers played. All four of them played.
Rosal started it. He kicked it off to Jameers, then Dart, and then the other guy finished it up.

Speaker 26 Yeah, but the small samotides we saw from Jackson Dart, it looked good. He looked very calm.
He looked very good. Very good, very calm.

Speaker 26 Most of the time, most of the time, rookie quarterbacks, when that pressure and those lights are on, they get happy feet. They rattled.

Speaker 26 You know, their technique is like, they just, they rushed the ball, but he looked looked really good. Nah, he did.
I mean, to be honest with you, it ain't really nothing crazy.

Speaker 26 You know, he did out there. He does that stuff every day in practice, to be honest with you.

Speaker 26 Like, that's that's just how all the good players that you're around, the great players you're around, they all do that stuff every single day.

Speaker 26 So it's not like a surprise when they do it on Sundays or Saturdays or whatever. So, like, yeah, I mean, I feel like he's going to, he has the potential to be a really good quarterback.
Right, right.

Speaker 26 That he's taken everything

Speaker 26 to his, his, his game to another level to be honest um when he first got there obviously it's a lot of information going in but now like you can see that he's he's settled down like and

Speaker 26 yeah yeah oh yeah he dialed in now like you can see some of that college jackson dart come out of him because of how calm and relaxed he is in the game and like he's just out there hooping now he ain't he ain't thinking he's just out there playing that that's that's the funny thing when you get to a point regardless of what position you play you see even running back especially the quarterback position, because you have so much on your plate and at the table coming to the line of scrimmage.

Speaker 26 But when you know everything and what everybody's doing around you, and you're comfortable, and you add comfortability with confidence,

Speaker 26 it's a done deal. The game starts to slow down to you.

Speaker 26 And when the game starts to slow down to you, you start to look like some of the better quarterbacks in the NFL that do it consistently, which is key. week to week.

Speaker 26 I got one more question on before you go. I'm feeling good.

Speaker 26 Hey, man, I got questions for y'all too.

Speaker 26 Please tell me, what is it like to be around Jameis crazy ass Winston in a locker room? I just need one good Jameis Winston story, please. Hey, he's funny, man.
Have y'all been around him?

Speaker 26 Yeah, for short spurts in New Orleans, you know,

Speaker 26 but I wouldn't, but every day, no, that would be a joy. I ain't gonna lie, like, what y'all see online and on Instagram and all these clips y'all see is really like that.
Like,

Speaker 26 I promise you, I promise you, Like, I have a million stories. Like, I've only known the man for about five months now.
Right, right.

Speaker 26 He does crazy stuff every day. Like, every day.
Like, he does something crazy. Like, I'll tell you this one story.
We had a UFC fighter come to our practice and

Speaker 26 she gave him some gloves. Like, signed them and everything.

Speaker 26 Jameis comes in a locker room and starts like doing UFC like kicks and fights with the gloves on. Like, he's really trying to fight people in the locker room.
Like,

Speaker 26 showing us how his kicks and everything like yeah i promise you like he is like i thought i was outgoing person until i met him like yeah

Speaker 26 he's like literally one of one like he's a great great person he all he like he he's a a very down-to-earth guy Yeah, cool as hell. That's dope.

Speaker 25 Yeah, that's kind of where I was going because I wanted to know the difference between the personalities between Russ and because if you look at them, the personalities are very, very different, but they're both very religious men,

Speaker 25 seem to be very, approach their business, go about the work, the task at hand, and get the job done.

Speaker 25 What would you say would be the biggest differences between Russ's personality and Jameis' personality?

Speaker 26 That's a good question.

Speaker 26 I would probably say Jameis goes about his business more

Speaker 26 fluid, I guess you can say. Russ is more like, not really strict, but he just has a certain way of doing things.
Right.

Speaker 26 uh jameis is more like goofy like he is his business but like he also understands that like you know you have to have fun while doing it you have to have fun while doing it you know what i'm saying don't get me wrong russ has fun but like russ is like on a certain path like he he does stuff a certain way and like

Speaker 26 i don't know how he like he's like he's not strict he's not strict but does he expect things to look a certain way very disciplined very structured yeah the funny thing about it if i was if i was to give an analogy uh in in comparison to to the two it's like watching fresh prints and watching will smith and watching carlton yes yeah

Speaker 26 that that's i i see russell wilson as carlton in a sense very serious very business oriented you know he can have fun when necessary and i see jameis wincens as will smith you know in in the character compare comparison to the two yeah don't get me wrong they both are cool, like regardless of the situation.

Speaker 26 But like I said, Jamie just more goofy. Like, he's there to like, he's always going to make you laugh, make you feel good.
Like, even when things are, like, very tense, he cracks a joke.

Speaker 26 So, like, you feel good. He breaks the ice.
Yeah, he breaks the ice. So, like, no one, you know, feels like, you know, the coach is getting after you or whatever.

Speaker 26 Like, he makes sure that, like, you understand that, like, at the end of the day, coaches are going to get after you, but you got to move on. Like, the next play is coming up.

Speaker 26 So just continue to move on. And Russ is the same way.

Speaker 26 Like, Russ is very, like I said, he's strict, but he has a a certain way of doing things very disciplined like first one in last one out like every single day he has his routine of what he does and that's just who russ is and if you've been around him he he handles himself like professional like every single day so um yeah they've they're both very good leaders like you said very both very religious men like i i really can't say enough good things about each of them yeah that's dope

Speaker 25 you guys finished dead last in red zone touchdown percentage you scored the second fewest points in the red zone Dang, that look a little harsh.

Speaker 26 I mean, dang,

Speaker 26 you guys finished last in red zone percentage.

Speaker 25 Well, y'all feel y'all finished second worst in point scores. So now, I mean, you went dead last.
The other one, you were last.

Speaker 25 But okay,

Speaker 25 when you come back on next year, what are you going to do different to make sure you're not in the same spot again?

Speaker 26 Man, to be honest with you, when we get down there, we got to score. Three points is not enough.

Speaker 25 Nigga field goes, get your beat.

Speaker 26 Yeah, in this league, three points ain't enough. We got to score tuds.
And I think that really starts with the O-line, obviously, protecting the quarterback.

Speaker 26 Quarterback, you got to do your job, make better decisions.

Speaker 26 Get the ball to your playmakers, running back, receivers, tight ends.

Speaker 26 Get them the ball. Like,

Speaker 26 I think that's the easiest thing in the game. Get the ball to your playmaker.
Let them go to work.

Speaker 26 And when your playmakers go to work, it makes the whole game easy.

Speaker 25 Where do you come in at?

Speaker 25 I didn't hear you mention TT.

Speaker 26 You ain't playmaker. You ain't saying playmaker.
You ain't hear me say run the ball.

Speaker 25 Oh, you want to run the ball? Okay, we're going to run the ball. Okay, we're going to run it.
We're talking about a handed to you.

Speaker 26 You got to put yourself in that description as a playmaker because you know what you could be. Hell, you could be the goddamn security blanket.
You could be.

Speaker 26 You want to be one of the better running backs in the league, right? So you want to know when they game plan and they come into a game, well, God damn, we got to worry about two people.

Speaker 26 We got to worry about Malik Nables or we got to worry about TT.

Speaker 26 You come in defenses, you in the backfield, backfield, first and second down. All right, we got to drop the safety down in the goddamn box.
They can't do that, though. They drop the safety down.

Speaker 26 We're going to throw it over top.

Speaker 25 Boom, beam.

Speaker 26 So

Speaker 26 if Malik going off, boom,

Speaker 26 now we got to go too high.

Speaker 26 It's time to work.

Speaker 25 Now you got to run them out of that too high.

Speaker 26 Exactly. But that's what I'm saying.
Like, you're the body of your playmakers. It makes a lot of things easy.
Especially for offensive coordinators.

Speaker 26 You got a lot of good dudes in your locker room and they all want to win. Obviously, you got your personal stuff that you want to do.

Speaker 26 but like, if you all just want to win, like, it makes a lot of stuff easy. Like, cause it's, it's, it's easier when you're winning.
When you're losing, it's, it's hard, man.

Speaker 26 Like, last year, it really was. It was hard last year just because, like, obviously you losing and we trying to figure out why we're losing.

Speaker 26 And then, you know, you got a whole bunch of stuff going on. So it was hard, but it's way easier when you look, when you win it.
It's fun.

Speaker 26 It's fun to be around people, fun to be around coaches, fun to be in the locker room, everything.

Speaker 25 So fun to be out and about in the city yeah yeah

Speaker 26 being able to show you especially listen

Speaker 26 you're playing you're playing in the biggest market you're playing in the biggest market in the world and when you're winning in that market oh the newspapers are a joy to watch the headlines are a joy to read

Speaker 26 when you lose everything is magnified you don't want to show your face you don't want to deal with the fans yeah

Speaker 26 in a market of that magnitude so man i'm listening i'm i'm i'm i'm hoping i'm hoping y'all do very very well

Speaker 26 will. Hey, the division you guys are in, it ain't no slap.
Oh, yeah. No, it ain't no slap.
We ain't no slap either, though. We ain't no slap either, though.

Speaker 25 That's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm talking about.
That's what I'm talking about right now. Okay, okay.

Speaker 25 Hey, KT,

Speaker 25 have you always been a running back? Did you play any other position?

Speaker 26 Yeah, I was going to say that earlier. Yeah, I was a receiver, too, my whole career, my whole college career.
Really?

Speaker 26 Yeah.

Speaker 26 Yeah, I was, I turned, I turned switched positions my last year because of coach c he's a he's a the running back coach at purdue okay yeah he came in from miama of ohio he looked at me and he was like yeah you're gonna be a running back and i know i've known coach c for like my entire life like i know him since i was like 15 years old but uh i wanted to be a receiver i was i you know i was watching i was watching you ocho you know what i'm saying watching watching yo fan i was watching tavon austin like i was watching all these cats you know go crazy you know with the because i was about what five i was about 510 180.

Speaker 26 you know i was a slot receiver um and then once i got to college i gained some weight got to about 200 pounds right and they was like yeah you're gonna be a running back

Speaker 25 yeah so

Speaker 26 everything

Speaker 26 if you look at hold up let me say this real quick real quick if you look at everything like from

Speaker 26 all my my stat line from my measurements you know what i'm saying like i was an average I was an average receiver, but then like you switch it to running back, you know, now I'm running a, you know, 447.

Speaker 26 That's that's a fast running back.

Speaker 26 I got good hands. I can run good routes because I was a receiver.
So like if you look at everything that, you know, you compare to the league today,

Speaker 26 now that's, that's God.

Speaker 26 God really made all that happen. Like, I went through all that, that struggle and that frustration and irritation.
And then next thing you know, like all the blessings came out, you know, in 2025.

Speaker 26 It was, it's crazy. Well, listen, now that you just said that, boy, you just, you just woke me up a little bit.

Speaker 26 And I I want you to understand the importance of not only playing receiver one point, but now playing running back. You understand? That's two things you can do very well.

Speaker 26 Because now you don't got to come out on third down.

Speaker 26 You don't have to come out on third down. So that puts you in the same category.
You can get to this in year two and continue to improve on it. But Christian McCaffrey, great running back.

Speaker 26 What else can he do out the backfield? Catch. Catch.

Speaker 26 Ladania Thomason out the backfield and catch. You know, so that that makes you a three-down back, and that adds value.

Speaker 26 You know, it happens when you add value and another dynamic to your game that they can't take away from you. It also adds dollars and makes money.
Money, yeah. Hey, okay, stay with me now.

Speaker 26 The more you can do.

Speaker 25 Well, since you, since you, you're a running back aficionado now, give me your top five running backs of all time.

Speaker 26 Oh,

Speaker 26 of all time, all time, of all time.

Speaker 26 Okay,

Speaker 26 uh, Herschel Walker.

Speaker 25 What you know about Big Dog?

Speaker 26 Come on now.

Speaker 26 I used to watch this film. I ain't gonna lie.
I actually watched this film.

Speaker 25 He was held in college, man.

Speaker 26 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 26 I'm gonna go with,

Speaker 26 man, I ain't gonna lie.

Speaker 26 There's some dogs. Yeah.

Speaker 26 There's some dogs we talk about running backs.

Speaker 26 Emmett Smith. Gotta put him in there.

Speaker 26 Is this like, is this like rankings? Or is it just like...

Speaker 25 Just your top

Speaker 26 yeah, it's your preference uh LT, Dan Thompson. Yeah, I love I love his game.
Like, I love how smooth he was.

Speaker 26 Um,

Speaker 26 and I'm gonna put, I'm gonna put uh, Otis Anderson in there

Speaker 26 only because

Speaker 26 I've watched this film personally. Um, and I've seen, obviously, I play for the Giants, but I've also watched this film personally.
I like the way he played. Um,

Speaker 25 He's a big bruising back. He put that wine up on you.
He put that wine up on you.

Speaker 26 Marshawn Lynch. Michael.

Speaker 25 Bees Mode.

Speaker 26 Yeah, Beast Mode. You got to put Beast Mo.
I was at four. And then my last one.

Speaker 26 I'm going to go Bo. Big Bo.
Jackson. Yeah.

Speaker 26 Okay. Okay.
That's a good. That's a good one.

Speaker 25 Five or six. I think he might have added one.

Speaker 26 I added one.

Speaker 25 I think you did.

Speaker 25 I don't think I did.

Speaker 26 I don't think

Speaker 26 that was five, huh?

Speaker 26 You know, he's getting old. He can't.
I don't know.

Speaker 25 You had Herschel Walker. You had Emmy Smith.
LaDanian Tomlinson. Who else he had? Bo Jackson.
Connie Sanderson.

Speaker 26 And Bo Jackson. And Bo Jackson.

Speaker 25 That's five. You're right.
You got five. Oh, man.

Speaker 25 You just named guys that I saw and you did see. Yeah.

Speaker 25 I was surprised. I thought you would go a little bit more modern.
You left. Man, Poe Barry.
Man, I ain't never seen somebody leave Barry Sanders off their list.

Speaker 26 Nah, I ain't gonna lie. So,

Speaker 26 so I was gonna put Barry and I put Emmon in there, but I go me that just made me personally. This is my personal preference.

Speaker 25 Yeah, that's your list.

Speaker 26 Hey, matter of fact, you know, you know, who my favorite running backs are, and it's not, it's, it's not the favor, it's not the favorites, and I'm not talking about all the time.

Speaker 26 I'm talking about running styles. I'm I like running back in general, but I like runners that are very smooth with no herky-jerky movements.

Speaker 26 It's just they get the ball and they just, they just glide as they run. Arian Foster.

Speaker 25 Yeah, you had, hey, hey, what about Marshawn Lynch? Is he a running back? Oh, hey, that was six.

Speaker 26 I did say Marshall Lynch.

Speaker 25 A young man that can't remember. Damn, how you remember your plays?

Speaker 26 I did say that. I did say that.

Speaker 25 I did say that. I did say that.
Who told you? Y'all got a wristband?

Speaker 26 Your producer told you that.

Speaker 25 Nah. Hey, hey, OJo.
I ain't never feed a running back like the quarterback. Like, oh, okay.
That's the play we running right there. No, 14.
Okay, that's me.

Speaker 26 Hey, I ain't, I ain't get

Speaker 26 my three smoothest running backs of all time based on

Speaker 26 who you got running style. Running style.
Okay, four. I'm gonna go with Eric Dickens the first.
Okay, it's pretty, it's pretty. Arian Foster.
Okay. I know you've seen Arian Foster run.
Yeah.

Speaker 26 And Priest Holmes.

Speaker 25 The Priest.

Speaker 26 Priest Holmes and Amon Green.

Speaker 25 That's a new one.

Speaker 26 That's a new one. Hey, hey,

Speaker 26 them dudes ran so smooth and it's like they was gliding. And like, you know, how you see see some running back it's like

Speaker 26 you know strong they run strong yeah strong dog them them four i just named right there man it was it was beautiful i played i played with priest one year his last year in baltimore i played with the priest yeah man amon amon green too um oh my goodness you need you name you know in that west coast system you're downhill

Speaker 25 In the West Coast system, if you look at the backs of Arian Foster, he was in the West Coast system.

Speaker 25 You look at those guys like that, Terrell Davis, it's one one cut downhill.

Speaker 25 Hey, ain't a whole lot of dancing. Moving, yeah.
Hey, say that for Friday night when you're at the club. But come Sunday when you're on the field, ain't no dancing.
Get your ass downhill.

Speaker 26 Right, right.

Speaker 25 Hey,

Speaker 25 so what can we expect from TT? So you said 1,500, 10 tubs, Pro Bowl?

Speaker 26 I mean, hey, ain't the Pro Bowl like a fan vote?

Speaker 25 Is that

Speaker 25 It's fans, coaches, and players.

Speaker 26 Is that a fan vote?

Speaker 25 Well, the fans vote count the most. I think it's 50%.

Speaker 25 And then players and coaches count the most. I'm just asking,

Speaker 26 you know,

Speaker 26 you can get all

Speaker 26 these accolades and stuff, but like, you know, I feel like that's a fan vote. I think

Speaker 26 once you crack it one time.

Speaker 26 And especially for you, it'd be much easier because of the market you play in. You know, the product, the product sells itself based on where you're playing.

Speaker 26 So if you even get close to the numbers that you're talking about getting as far as your goals for this season,

Speaker 26 you would definitely make it. And once you're in, most of the time they think, oh, it's a popular vote regardless of whether the fans pick it or not.

Speaker 25 Yeah.

Speaker 26 Consistently go if you maintain

Speaker 26 the weekend

Speaker 26 from a stats perspective. Yeah.

Speaker 26 Oh, yeah. Okay.
Okay. But yeah,

Speaker 26 definitely, that's definitely

Speaker 26 on my list for sure.

Speaker 25 Where can the chat find you on social media? Where are you on? Where are you on eggs? Where are you on IG?

Speaker 26 Oh, sure, on

Speaker 26 X or Twitter X. Uh, it was just Tyrone Tracy and then on Instagram, I am underscore TTJXI.
Uh, she'll get both of y'all buried. I need y'all to follow me too.

Speaker 26 Hey, wait, mate, I got one more question too before you go. How do you feel about your Madden rating? And do I need to change anything?

Speaker 26 I think I'm at like a, I think I met 79, I think. What? A 79?

Speaker 26 Yeah, I think, I think, I'm not sure, I'm not positive.

Speaker 26 In your rookie year, you might have been at 79. Based on what you did last year, I'm sure it's

Speaker 26 further than the 79. So if it's not higher than a 79, I need to contact you is what I'm hearing.
Hey, yeah, yeah, just let me know. Just let me know.

Speaker 25 Nah, we'll contact us after the first month of the season. Don't contact us after the first game.
After the first month of the season, contact us.

Speaker 26 First month.

Speaker 26 Okay, first month. I got you.

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