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Speaker 10 According to Diana Rossini, the Bingles have been actively engaged in trade discussions surrounding Trey Hendrickson for weeks.

Speaker 10 According to teens, they've reached out to Cincinnati only seeking draft capital in return. They're also targeting defensive players in a potential deal.

Speaker 10 Last season, Hendrickson ranked first in sack, first in pressure, sixth in pressure rates, third in Havoc plays, second in tackle for losses.

Speaker 10 The last two seasons off the field, Hendricks, a defense.

Speaker 10 With him off the field, Ocho, you're 32nd in pressure rate,

Speaker 10 32nd in success rate, 32nd in pass rating. When he's on the field, you're top 12 in pressure rates, top 12 in success rate, top 12 in pass rating.

Speaker 10 I don't understand this. This is what I don't understand.
You knew you weren't going to play him. They knew that, Ocho.
But what they thought, he was going to do what he did last year.

Speaker 10 Oh, he'll come in. He told you he wasn't.
Just like Chase said, if y'all pull that bull jive y'all did last year, I'm not coming in.

Speaker 10 He said he wasn't coming.

Speaker 10 Y'all knew y'all wasn't.

Speaker 10 I don't understand it, Ocho. Why would you not move him before the draft draft and get somebody? Get a draft pick.

Speaker 9 Listen, I have no idea. I thought maybe, I'm thinking maybe, maybe

Speaker 9 Mike Brown, Katie, Troy, Duke, understanding that Trey Hendrickson loves not just the team, but loves the game of football. And maybe he would fold at some point and come back.

Speaker 9 And obviously, he's one that understands the business. And you got to hit while the fire is hot.

Speaker 9 You got to hit while the stove is hot. And this is his time.
This is his time to hit based on what he's done, not just last year, but the previous year as well.

Speaker 9 But then you also look at it from their viewpoint. Well, hell, you had 17 sacks last year, but our defense was horrible.

Speaker 10 But you paid your quarterback and your two wide receivers.

Speaker 9 But our offense was phenomenal.

Speaker 10 So

Speaker 10 make sure I hear this right. This is what Trey Ringo said.
He said, let's recap. The Bengals have a generational Hall of Fame quarterback.
They paid their two top targets.

Speaker 10 Despite all this, they missed a playoff last season because their defense was terrible. So how do they fix that?

Speaker 10 By listening to trade offers for the best defensive player, unsigned defensive end, Trey Hendrickson. This is how management fails its players.

Speaker 10 Kyle Brandt said, if the Bengals trade Trey Hendrickson, it will just be the second time in the modern era that a player has led the NFLs in sack and to be traded the following season.

Speaker 10 The only other time that happened, Kansas City traded Hall of Famer Jared allen to minnesota in 2008 allen was first team all-pro three times with the vikings

Speaker 9 well i mean the reports are saying they are listening they're listening to um trade offers

Speaker 10 yeah they're listening to trade-offs oh joe but you knew you weren't gonna pay him he had made it abundantly clear you guys so whatever y'all work behind things he's like okay he came back

Speaker 10 okay maybe if i get close there they see me there. Hey, we can engage again.
They were unwilling. He's not going to take what you're going to offer him.
17 and a half sacks in back-to-back years.

Speaker 10 There are not very many guys that's played since the sack became an official stat in 1982.

Speaker 10 Has put together 17 and a half sacks in back-to-back seasons.

Speaker 10 He's done that.

Speaker 10 I just don't know how you think you got, oh, Joe.

Speaker 10 If you couldn't stop anybody with him, who the hell are you stopping without him?

Speaker 10 We saw last year Chase had the triple crown, Burrow led the league in what passing yards and passing touchdowns, and you missed the playoffs because your defense was atrocious. And what do you do?

Speaker 10 Clearly, the guy that's leap years ahead of everybody on your defense is not even close. And remember, Ocho, you released Pratt, your linebacker.
Yeah,

Speaker 9 he wanted a deal as well. Pratt went to the Raiders.

Speaker 10 Go ahead, Ocho.

Speaker 10 We got it.

Speaker 9 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 9 Okay, Chad.

Speaker 9 I mean, listen.

Speaker 9 Yeah,

Speaker 9 it's the business. Understand how the business works.
I think the Bengals see it as we were very bad defensively last year with you.

Speaker 10 Why are we just doing this much money?

Speaker 9 Yeah, I mean,

Speaker 9 you never know. Shamar Stewart.
What will Shamar Stewart be for us this year? He's a rookie.

Speaker 9 I'm not saying we're counting on a rookie to come in, but if- How many rookies have ever had 17 sacks in a season,

Speaker 9 I'm not saying, I'm not saying he's going to get 17, huh? I'm just saying the way the business works, paying you top dollar, and you're bringing a rookie that's on what, who knows,

Speaker 9 a minimal salary, minimal salary, and can come in and contribute. He might not get 17 sacks, but will do maybe not a good job in Trey Henderson, but be efficient.

Speaker 10 The most sacks ever by a rookie is Javon Curtis in 1999. He had 14 and a half.

Speaker 9 And listen, no disrespect. I'm not going to be disrespectful.
No,

Speaker 10 I don't know if he freaked. We'll have to see.
But freak was special. I played against Freak.

Speaker 9 Oh, yeah. He was a real deal.
He was a real deal.

Speaker 9 I'm excited, though.

Speaker 9 I'm excited. I mean, listen, I don't know what's going to happen.
I don't think whatever does happen, our identity in Cincinnati, our identity is our offense.

Speaker 9 And I said it, I said it, and I say it again. I don't know what we're going to do defensively, but we have to improve from last year.
We don't need you to be the best defense in the world.

Speaker 9 We don't need to

Speaker 10 be the best.

Speaker 9 I just need you to be, wait, let me finish. I just need you to be somewhere in the middle of the pack.
15,

Speaker 9 16,

Speaker 9 be able to make stops when it matters most. I don't need you to be number one.

Speaker 9 I don't need to be number two. I don't need you to be three, four, or five.

Speaker 9 I just need you to meet us halfway. Meet the offense halfway.
15, 16, 17, somewhere around there, we're going to be all right.

Speaker 10 If you had a Passertan, Sartan, if you had a Stingley, if you had a Sauce Gardner, you had a Ramsey, if you had one of those top guys, I could say, okay, Ocho, you can hold up a little longer, get them guys, but y'all don't have that.

Speaker 10 Y'all, best defensive player, hands down, and it wasn't even close, is Trey Hendrickson.

Speaker 10 Ocho, you guys scored 38 and lose 41-38. Ocho, you guys scored 35 and lose 38-35

Speaker 10 because you couldn't get off the field

Speaker 10 yeah with that being said i don't know how

Speaker 10 you're gonna improve i don't know if you've made that big of an improvement defensively even with stewart he will have to be

Speaker 10 curse micah or aaron donal lt yeah you have to have those kind of seasons on choke

Speaker 9 yeah i don't i don't um i i don't i don't know you listen you've been around the game you've been around the game for a long time we've seen situations like this happen and occur on many other teams.

Speaker 9 They don't feel he's worth the price tag that he's asking for. They've already paid T.
They've already played Chase. They played Joe.
I mean, I mean, this is just, he's the odd man out.

Speaker 9 He's the odd man out. And now they're listening to trade offers.

Speaker 10 And

Speaker 10 unless you're well, maybe if you trade him,

Speaker 10 well, you can't trade him for Micah because you can't pay Micah. I'm trying to say who you're going to trade.
Who can you trade him for?

Speaker 10 Because if you trade him just for a draft pick, you don't get nothing to help you this year, and you need help this year.

Speaker 9 Time out, rewind that,

Speaker 9 rewind it right back. Now, you just got me excited.

Speaker 9 You just got me excited. I don't know how much money is left over.
None. I don't know any that can manipulate the cap

Speaker 9 and make it happen. Is there any way, any scenario, that we can get Michael Parsons?

Speaker 10 You're going to have three guys making over 40 million on your roster?

Speaker 9 Hey,

Speaker 9 I like the way that sounds.

Speaker 10 You want him play Trey Hendricks? You want him to play Trey Hendrickson 30 million, but you're going to give Michael Parsons 43, 44 million?

Speaker 9 Yeah. Can I ask you a question?

Speaker 9 How old is Trey Hendrickson? Ask Addis. How old is Trey?

Speaker 10 32?

Speaker 10 30.

Speaker 9 How old is Michael Parsons?

Speaker 10 25?

Speaker 10 He came out early, so he might be 26. 26.

Speaker 9 Now ask me that question again. Would they pay him 43? No,

Speaker 10 they wouldn't.

Speaker 10 They wouldn't.

Speaker 9 They would.

Speaker 9 I could ask right now.

Speaker 9 I can call personnel right now.

Speaker 10 First of all, they're not paying a $55 million quarterback, a $43, $45 million defensive player, a $41 million wide receiver, and a $30 million wide receiver. They're not having that.

Speaker 10 They're not paying that.

Speaker 10 Hold on.

Speaker 10 They just, oh Joe, y'all just started spending money two years ago with Burrow. Think about all the great players that you guys have had that have left.

Speaker 9 Right.

Speaker 9 I'm gonna, I'm gonna call somebody upstairs. I'm this is hypothetical.
I want to, I'm gonna see what they say.

Speaker 9 Damn, I like that. That's that's crazy,

Speaker 10 BJ Hill, Chris Jenkins.

Speaker 10 I don't know, Ocho.

Speaker 10 Y'all might be in the same situation again.

Speaker 9 Nah, I don't think so. Hey, I have a question, huh?

Speaker 9 Would it be rude if I call Zach and asked that?

Speaker 10 That's rude, huh? You ask whatever you want to ask him.

Speaker 9 That's not offensive, right? It's just a regular question.

Speaker 10 Regular question for what?

Speaker 10 To ask Zach Taylor if I if I if I if I if I call and ask that is that rude you can ask whatever you want to ocho we'll sit right here and watch wait

Speaker 10 I don't know if the chat believes you calling him but oh sure we'll hold on

Speaker 9 yeah I'm texting look

Speaker 9 can you see that no

Speaker 9 I said I said coach are you up I want to make sure you're up. I don't want to call.
It's 12 o'clock. They play tomorrow.
So I don't know. It's 12.19.

Speaker 9 They playing in DC.

Speaker 9 What's the time difference in DC?

Speaker 10 Dallas is on Central time. DC is on Eastern time.

Speaker 9 So, oh, it's 12.19.

Speaker 9 I call E.B., you know, E.B., right? You know, Eric Ball.

Speaker 10 No. No.

Speaker 9 But Eric Ball played with the Bengals when you was playing.

Speaker 9 With

Speaker 9 David, I think, yeah, but David Folcher.

Speaker 10 Yeah. DB?

Speaker 9 No.

Speaker 9 No.

Speaker 10 Wait. Oh, he's running back.

Speaker 9 I think Eric Ball might have been a running back. I think

Speaker 9 you probably know him when you see him.

Speaker 9 He's been over there since I was there, before I got there.

Speaker 9 Yeah, Eric Ball. Yeah, yeah, part of player.

Speaker 9 I forgot. I don't know how to pronounce the.

Speaker 10 What are you

Speaker 10 community relations guy

Speaker 10 yeah I think his oh he's the player personnel department

Speaker 10 yeah yeah yeah

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Speaker 9 Yeah, I probably suck something like that, something like that.

Speaker 10 Oh, Joe, Jerry Jones continues to believe

Speaker 10 all publicity is good publicity. Jerry said, I do believe that if we're not being looked at, then I'll do my part to get us looked at.

Speaker 10 The beautiful thing for networks or if you're with streaming companies is that the NFL is a 365 day a year interest factory. A lot of programming, you have to spend as much to promote

Speaker 10 as you do to make it. The Cowboys are soap opera 365 days a year.
When it gets slow, I'll stir it up.

Speaker 10 OJO, Jerry said,

Speaker 10 he be stirring the pot.

Speaker 9 Listen, man, everybody in this chat, I use this moniker, I use this phrase, I use this analogy last night. I don't think Jerry Jones understands the product that he owns and controls.

Speaker 9 Frank Frank Lucas,

Speaker 9 an American gangster, he had blue magic, huh?

Speaker 9 It was the best product out there in the business, in the world.

Speaker 9 You didn't have to do anything to it because it sold itself.

Speaker 9 Jerry, why are you cutting it up? You don't need to cut it up in any smaller pieces for it to do what it's going to do without you in the picture. It's going to sell itself no matter what.

Speaker 9 The Cowboys will always be talked about, whether you come out and say something or not, because it's the Cowboys.

Speaker 9 I don't, I don't know, I don't, listen, I don't, he's not in the business of winning. He continues to show us that time and time again.

Speaker 10 He's in the business of making money.

Speaker 9 He's in the business of, you said, he's in the business of making money. He is great at that.

Speaker 9 And that's just what it is. I feel sorry for the fans.
You know, I feel sorry for the players that

Speaker 9 have to deal with that. You know, you want to play for the Cowboys.

Speaker 9 You want to play for America's team, got a star on the helmet, but it's more of a circus than it is a football team and the one at the top success on any team it starts at the top yep it just triggers on down but if the circus starts at the top what do you think the product is gonna look like

Speaker 9 come on man it don't got to be sunday for me to preach

Speaker 10 come on man you know that's uh man you know hey look like the jerry but come on now

Speaker 10 The Cowboys, I think I just read today the Cowboys are worth $12.8 billion. That's it.
The most expensive franchise, not just North America, of all sports franchises. Basketball, football, baseball,

Speaker 10 these soccer teams, Euro, all that. Nothing.

Speaker 10 If it's a sports club, sports franchise, nothing is more valuable than the Cowboys.

Speaker 10 Nothing.

Speaker 9 Hey, the man is in the business of making money. You hear me?

Speaker 10 That's it. Hey, listen, buying.

Speaker 10 I don't have a problem with that. But don't try to disguise and talk about you care about winning because you don't.
No. You care about selling tickets.

Speaker 10 You care about keeping interest in your team, not about winning.

Speaker 9 Right. Hey,

Speaker 9 actions speak louder than words. Yeah.
Actions show otherwise. And based on his actions, it lets us know I'm in the business of lining my pockets.

Speaker 9 and staying the most profitable sports franchise in the world. That's it.
And then if he's okay with that, then so be it. But he does set a precedent.

Speaker 10 Yeah.

Speaker 9 He sets a precedent to the coaches. He sets a precedent to the players.
And the way he conducts himself when it comes to business.

Speaker 9 But it is what it is. The Calvin.
It's a Mercer scene.

Speaker 10 I heard Emmett at this doctor series

Speaker 10 the other night when he was at Netflix and he was talking about

Speaker 10 at some point in time it comes down to the players because that's what we did.

Speaker 10 Emmett, so who are, who I want to know the Emmett Smith?

Speaker 10 The Michael Irvin. Michael Irving was the leader of the team.
Yes, sir. And then you had Haley.
And you look at the guys that you had. You had Jimmy.

Speaker 10 You had Jimmy.

Speaker 10 And then y'all got Dion.

Speaker 10 If you don't get Dion, y'all not going to beat Sam. If he stays in San Francisco, guess who win it? San Francisco.

Speaker 10 He's flipped the balance of power.

Speaker 9 Yeah.

Speaker 10 Y'all don't have a level of playoffs, Emmett. I'm sorry.
You don't.

Speaker 10 You don't.

Speaker 10 You look at the defense that they had back then.

Speaker 9 Boy, it was loaded, right?

Speaker 10 They were loaded.

Speaker 9 Boy, it was loaded.

Speaker 10 Look at that offensive line. They had Big Easy.
They had Larry Allen. They had Nate Newton.

Speaker 10 I think they still had Step.

Speaker 10 I think Touane was still there.

Speaker 10 Man, stop.

Speaker 10 That offensive line y'all got? Troy was probably one of the most accurate quarterbacks, especially for that time.

Speaker 9 Right.

Speaker 9 Different,

Speaker 9 different,

Speaker 10 but you got to realize, Jimmy wasn't doing all this talking back then either.

Speaker 10 Jimmy wasn't having that, that's why he got Jimmy up out of there.

Speaker 9 Yeah,

Speaker 10 he wasn't doing all this talking. I don't know about you, Ocho, but I was in the league.

Speaker 10 I was in the league, and I know it wasn't no 24-hour news cycle, but in press conference, they didn't have no mic, they had no mics in front of Jimmy. I mean, in front of Jerry.

Speaker 10 The mics were in front of Jimmy, and it drove Jerry crazy.

Speaker 9 Damn,

Speaker 9 that's crazy.

Speaker 10 But I agree with you. The Cowboys' brand is so strong.

Speaker 9 You ain't got to say nothing.

Speaker 10 Nothing.

Speaker 9 We're going to talk about it regardless. Yeah.
Outlets, analysts, punts, podcasts, people on the street, people in the bar shop.

Speaker 10 I don't remember.

Speaker 10 I don't remember you. Hey, you ever hear Mr.
Kraft talk

Speaker 10 prior to the Super Bowl? I hear him talk at the NFC championship guy when they get the trophy or that two that

Speaker 10 when he getting the trophy. So he normally getting trophies when he's talking.

Speaker 9 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 10 Jerry talking to hear himself talk, talk. Like, man, I forgot what my voice heard.
Like, I ain't been on no, I ain't been on no platform and got no trophy in a long time. So

Speaker 9 you heard what you heard what Denzel Washington said.

Speaker 10 With that opinionaires?

Speaker 9 Yeah, he knows I'm talking about the other, you know, he's

Speaker 10 about Jerry, Jared. Oh, he's a Jerry about making money.

Speaker 9 That's it.

Speaker 9 That's it.

Speaker 10 I believe you can do two things. I don't believe they have to be mutually exclusive.
I believe you can make money and still win.

Speaker 9 Yeah.

Speaker 10 Yeah, you can. The Patriots did it for 20 years.
The Chiefs have done it for about a decade now. Right.

Speaker 9 But then, you know, his retort to what you just said would be, well, they made money. They won Super Bowls, but I'm still the most profitable franchise.
Yes.

Speaker 9 Would I much rather be number one in that area if I can't be number one on the field?

Speaker 10 Well,

Speaker 10 the Cowboys are America's team when they didn't have Jerry Jones. So what is he talking about?

Speaker 10 Hey. He didn't name them America's team.

Speaker 10 They had the stadium

Speaker 10 with the hole in the top so God could watch his team.

Speaker 10 He didn't do none of that.

Speaker 9 Right.

Speaker 10 So this notion that he created this, he didn't.

Speaker 10 All the teams have exponentially increased. I mean, you could, for what one year's salary of what a quarterback make, you could used to be able to buy a franchise.

Speaker 10 Go back and look at somebody's franchise, what they paid for.

Speaker 9 Right.

Speaker 10 Now, that was, I mean, that was a boatload of money back then in the earth 70s. And, you know,

Speaker 10 that was a boatload of money. But I'm just saying, and today, you know, they've 10x, 15, 20x their money.

Speaker 9 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 10 So

Speaker 10 Jerry probably even 50x'd his money. But with that being said,

Speaker 10 I don't believe that you have to do all that. Jerry wasn't like this.

Speaker 10 Like I said, Al Davis was his mentor. That's who taught him.
He's Al Davis. Al Davis has always been a Maverick, always did things his way.

Speaker 10 And, you know, he's like, I'm moving. I'm going to L.A.
No, you got to get vote. I ain't got to get nothing.
It's my team. I bought it.
I'm moving. And he sued the league to move.
And he sued.

Speaker 10 He just, I'm going back to Oakland. No, you're not.
No, I'm going. Buy, I'm suing.

Speaker 10 And that's how Jerry is.

Speaker 10 Jerry's like, nah, I'm not going to be a part. I'm going to be a part of the collective bargaining when it comes to,

Speaker 10 excuse me. I'm going to be a part of the revenue sharing when it comes to TV.

Speaker 10 After that.

Speaker 10 I'm on my own. Right.
I'm going to do my own independent deals. He has a deal with Pepsi.
he has he has his own deals uh he has his own merchandising deal

Speaker 10 he's like no i i i'll i'll i'll do that revenue share when it comes to tv right but other than that because i can do a better job than you

Speaker 10 got no problem with that

Speaker 10 but it's unfortunate at the end of the day bro right now we're doing this talking yeah you ain't you ain't collecting no trophies

Speaker 10 The second U.S. Court of Appeals in Manhattan ruled that the NFL can be put on trial over civil claims that Brian Flores and other black coaches face discrimination.
Okay.

Speaker 10 In February of 2022, Flores sued the NFL and several teams saying the league was rife with this racism, particularly in its hiring and promotion of black coaches.

Speaker 10 Other coaches later joined the lawsuit as plaintiffs. Ocho,

Speaker 10 i don't know how close you follow this but i've always felt the way the nfl did business with this discipline was unfair

Speaker 10 and guys if you've heard me uh from cbs i was on there a decade i was with uh uh fox for seven years and you've and i like to use this analogy ocho if i got a speeding ticket i shouldn't have to go appeal it to the chief of police Because it was his department that gave me the ticket.

Speaker 10 Come on, man. I've always thought it was unfair.
The NFL hands down this punishment. And if I want to go appeal it, guess who I'll appeal it to? Right.
The commissioner. Yes, sir.

Speaker 10 Or someone he appointed. How is that fair? It should be an independent body.
That's why they have a court system. That's why they have the post.

Speaker 10 They're two separate

Speaker 10 but equal entities.

Speaker 9 Yes, sir.

Speaker 10 So I've always felt this was a very, very unfair practice. They've always been able to hide behind Article 46.
Yes, sir. But you gave commission and he's everything.

Speaker 10 He's everything.

Speaker 10 He's the jury. He's the judge.
He's everything. That is so, so unfair.
Yes, sir.

Speaker 10 Even if you have these broad latitudes of power, I've always felt the commissioner should get out of the punishment business. Let someone else handle that.
Let it be an independent body.

Speaker 10 The NFL and the NFL PA should have an independent body. Right.
Because you're never,

Speaker 10 everybody feels

Speaker 10 they're going to get an unfair

Speaker 10 hearing. Right.
If I'm appealing to the head of the

Speaker 10 entity that handed down the punishment.

Speaker 9 But this is the thing, huh? Let's understand the ecosystem and the power and the powers that be when it comes to the NFL. Let's say if it does go to an independent body, do you understand?

Speaker 9 Even with it being an

Speaker 9 independent party, independent body, a separate entity away from the NFL, do you know who

Speaker 9 still controls the power? Do you know how they're going to be swayed still, where justice is still not going to be due, even though it's a different entity?

Speaker 9 Do you understand that?

Speaker 9 Understanding the power structure that you're going up against, the chances of winning are slim to none, whether it comes from the commissioner himself or whether it's a different governing body.

Speaker 10 I do believe I have a better, let me ask you a question. If I get a speeding ticket, do you think I got a better chance of going to the court or going to the chief of police and having him hear it?

Speaker 10 Because think about what happens when

Speaker 10 police officers do something wrong, right? It's few and far between

Speaker 10 that their own department, IA

Speaker 10 internal affairs, or the governing body that represents the police, the union,

Speaker 10 disciplines them.

Speaker 9 Yes, you're right. You're right.

Speaker 10 There's a greater chance that the court, and now you know, look, but uh, the court system has said, you know, hey,

Speaker 10 whoo, that imminent.

Speaker 9 Hey, hey,

Speaker 10 hey, any threat, be it real or perceived.

Speaker 10 Let that sink in, Ocho. Yeah.
Real or perceived.

Speaker 9 Yes.

Speaker 9 You have to understand it. And you know well, for those that don't understand, maybe on the outside looking in, even with this ruling, now being able to be or go to court.

Speaker 10 Oh, they're going to appeal it now.

Speaker 9 Even if they appeal it, you understand the animal and the power structure of course that you're going up against the machine

Speaker 9 i have a question huh yes in the history

Speaker 9 in the history of law in general how many times have the people even those that have been discriminated against even those who serve right and deserve justice how many times is the machine lost huh

Speaker 10 it doesn't happen often But you can't get deterred.

Speaker 10 Just imagine if Dr. King would have gotten disturbed, deterred, or all those people that marched in the 50s and the 60s had gotten deterred, rolls apart.

Speaker 10 If she had said, you know, what ain't nothing gonna change, so let me just go ahead and give my seat up.

Speaker 9 You know what? I'm glad, I'm glad you just said that, right?

Speaker 9 I'm glad you just said that. So, everything we've been through in the 50s, right? The 60s, all those that sacrificed, yes, we had one that sacrificed even recently.

Speaker 9 Brother Kaepernick, yeah, take the knee, yes, standing for something, yes.

Speaker 9 I have a question for you yes

Speaker 9 has anything changed since then

Speaker 9 in the nfl no no not not not the nfl in general just with everyone you just named with 50s 60s 70s 80s yes happening has anything changed yet it doesn't seem like it ocho it seems like if we take a step forward we take a couple steps back okay

Speaker 10 but

Speaker 10 if you Yeah, talk to me. Think about your grandparents.
Yes, sir. Then your parents was in that same situation.
And you said ain't nothing changed.

Speaker 10 So I might as well just stay in the same Liberty City, do what they did, and not try my damnedest to improve the situation.

Speaker 10 Where would we be?

Speaker 9 We try our damnedest to improve the situations, right? That's what you could do. Talk to him.
Wait, let me stay with me real quick.

Speaker 9 Now, there was a time in the 50s, in the 60s, where they were able to wear their hoods, huh?

Speaker 10 Yes.

Speaker 9 Daylight, in broad daylight. Yes.

Speaker 9 Because it was accepted. So now they've gone away from that part.

Speaker 9 So the hoods are gone yes now they wear robes now they hold gambles now they have they have suits and ties on now they're in positions of power to where okay

Speaker 9 it seems like things have changed or things may be different but it really hasn't because now they're just in positions of power and controlling everything and that's what they do And that's the way the system is all is to me,

Speaker 9 it's all about understanding the system and being able to fight it, being able to fight it and understanding that

Speaker 9 I'm going to do all I can to try and improve the situations around me and make some type of impact.

Speaker 9 But the way the ecosystem is built in general, the way it's structured is built for you to never to win.

Speaker 10 But you have to win.

Speaker 9 They would never allow us to ever get in position to be able to make that change.

Speaker 9 And the ones who do that look like us, that happen to get them and wear the suit and ties too, you got to play by their rules.

Speaker 10 But see what you did.

Speaker 10 You see what what you're saying but when we get a chance to get in that position do we do do we lift someone up or do we kick the ladder and say i'm up on the top of the roof now so i'm good i'm up here i don't want nobody i don't want nobody to look like you join me up here stay stay stay me one more time though listen to what i said yes when they do allow you and put you in positions of power you have to play their game by their rules that's why they're even letting you get in that position to begin with sometimes that's correct but you have to look at it ocho think about a system that's been in place for as long as it has.

Speaker 10 You think you're going to dismantle a system that's been in place for 400 years in 30 years?

Speaker 9 You're not.

Speaker 9 I know one thing: that system that's been in place for however long has been in,

Speaker 9 if they allow you

Speaker 9 to be in that position of power, you better play by their rules. And there's an understanding that you have to do that in order to be there.

Speaker 9 But I mean,

Speaker 9 this is a great topic. You know, i'm not one to really talk about politics and stuff like that but i can go i can go now but i i love i love the fact this is nah

Speaker 10 um

Speaker 10 because they said because if you go back and look at the ruling he said the judge like ain't no chance that this is fair under no circumstance at all even if he were to appoint someone

Speaker 10 it's still him So you like an arbitrator that he appointed is going to rule against the man that appointed him.

Speaker 9 Right. You're right.

Speaker 10 Make it make sense now. Yeah, you're right.
Again, we go back. I got the speeding ticket, and I'm going to the, I go to the chief of police.
Right. Okay, well, guess what?

Speaker 10 The chief's not going to hear it. We're going to give it to the corporal.
He'll hear it.

Speaker 10 He's still,

Speaker 10 no, no, no, no, no. It needs to be a separate body.
That's why the police, they do what they do. And then guess what? Your job is done.
We go into court. Yeah.

Speaker 10 And now we have a whole different body with 12 men and women that's going to determine it right yeah because if it was left up to the police they would have a hundred percent yeah 100

Speaker 9 absolutely absolute absolutely but just i'm i'm in this case what happened with brother brother flores and other coaches that look like us minorities uh for that matter i love that they standing on bennettis in general and they're going to get in court but i also do understand the other dynamic of it and understanding who you're fighting against.

Speaker 10 Yeah.

Speaker 10 Oh, they got a lot of money. They can throw a lot of, look.

Speaker 9 The funny thing about it,

Speaker 9 the thing about it is not even about the money. It's the power in which they can sway any ruling to make sure they're not at fault.

Speaker 9 Because that fight that they're fighting about, it's still going on today with opportunities not being given to certain individuals that look a certain way. Nothing has changed.

Speaker 9 Also, when it comes to the quarterback position, that's still prevalent in in today's game as well.

Speaker 10 Yeah. But the thing is,

Speaker 9 I don't want to dive deep and go into it and go in depth, but there's so many different layers I can peel back right now that I choose not to do.

Speaker 9 But listen, only a blind man, only a blind man would not understand what I'm talking about.

Speaker 10 No, only a man can choose not to understand what you're talking about.

Speaker 9 For those that can see and don't know and are going to play maybe naive advocate. Yeah, and dumb to the situation when the facts are clear as day that you can see.

Speaker 9 Come on, man, let's not do that.

Speaker 10 But uh, hey, the man gets to have his day in court, and we'll see what happens, and then you know, you go from there. But I can assure you, they're going to uh appeal this.

Speaker 10 The Nevada Supreme Court has ruled in favor of former head raiders, head coach, John Gruden, in his appeal against the NFL.

Speaker 10 Gruden will get discovery and a day in court alleging that Commissioner Roger Goodell and the NFL improperly leaked his email leading to his firing.

Speaker 9 Yeah. And hey,

Speaker 9 that's a now that's another one that's going to be interesting. That's another one that's going to be interesting.

Speaker 10 Well, you can't appeal. And now

Speaker 10 they might appeal this to the Supreme Court.

Speaker 9 Right.

Speaker 10 They might supreme because the Nevada Supreme Court said, nah, no, no, no. He gets discord.
He gets discourse. Because, oh, you got to realize there's $70 million at stake.

Speaker 10 He had a $10, $100 million deal. They fired him.

Speaker 9 Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
Well, that's guaranteed, though. You You know, when coaches get, when coaches...

Speaker 10 They didn't pay him because they

Speaker 10 cause.

Speaker 10 He got fired for cause.

Speaker 9 So is there a probable cause in getting fired? And that's like a player getting in trouble. Conduct gets him into the team.
We can take that money back. Okay.
I didn't know that part.

Speaker 10 Yes.

Speaker 9 I didn't know that part. Okay.
Okay.

Speaker 10 So would I be surprised if

Speaker 10 they went all the way to the Supreme Court? Yes. I absolutely would not.

Speaker 10 The NFL doesn't like to take L's.

Speaker 9 Right.

Speaker 10 Because remember, you take one, then everybody else feel like we got him vulnerable, we got him weak, we can jump on. The wheel gate, all it looks how big the giraffe feels.

Speaker 10 All it takes is for one lion, yeah, to weigh him down, and then there comes the rest. Everybody else, yeah, that's how they get the unless they kept it, catch it napping.

Speaker 10 Every once in a while, they'll catch him,

Speaker 10 catch one napping, you know, let it too get too late in the day, yeah, and uh, he's still rested, and they catch him, but for the most part, one of those big males jumps on his back, yeah, it's a wrap, that's 400 pounds, yeah, and he's like hey he can't support that and here he comes yeah but uh look

Speaker 10 the nfl they've made it a very abundantly clear in the uh the appellate court against uh brian flores they're gonna appeal i can see them appealing this all the way to the supreme court he's still he's still he's still the defensive coordinator in in minnesota

Speaker 10 okay he absolutely is

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Speaker 10 Uh-oh, Joe. Cam Hayward is open to setting out regular season games in search of a raise.
Cam Hayward, who is the 22nd highest highest paid DT, said he's looking to be valued.

Speaker 10 It's hard for me after the year I had to really justify playing at that number I'm playing at. Hayward said the team asked him to take a pay cut last summer.

Speaker 10 They ironed out a rework deal instead that runs through 2026.

Speaker 10 Hayward responded by bouncing back from an injury mark 2023 season, defending with eight sacks, 71 tackles, 11 pass defense, as the Steelers went 10-7 and reached the playoffs for the fourth time in five years.

Speaker 9 hey listen cam hayward said i can't play at 15 million now those that are on the outside watching fans nfl fans oh the first thing they're gonna say oh my goodness you can't play on 15 million dollars they don't they don't see it from that perspective actually being an athlete being an all-pro player and being a d-tackle that i'm not sure when it comes to d-tackles where he's ranked when it comes to tackles in the nfl right now as far as where he should be right stated at next to lawrence one of the betters the ed olivers one of the betters uh and he's different because he's a five technique because they're a three four defense so he's not he's not like in your typical like a warren sapp he's not like what uh like uh aaron donald when aaron dollar was in the 43 he's a three four he's more of a jj watt he's a five technique right and so

Speaker 10 I don't I don't want to I'm going to try to keep it simple. But if you notice, they got two life, they got a nose tackle, they got two ends, and they got two linebackers.

Speaker 10 So they got four linebackers: Sam on a wheel, a Mike, and a plug,

Speaker 10 and they got three down linemen.

Speaker 10 He's what we call a five-technique, he's a defensive end, but he's playing a five-technique, not the three-technique, or what we call the under-tackle that Joe Green made famous, and the Warren Saps, the Johnny Randles, and those uh, the Aaron Donalds, those type of guys.

Speaker 10 He's a five-tech.

Speaker 10 And so, with that being said, but the Steelers are saying, hold on, bro. We just redid your contract last year.

Speaker 10 Last year.

Speaker 9 Yeah, but they asked him to take a pay cut. They asked him to take a pay cut.
I'm assuming because of his injury and his plate might have been down.

Speaker 9 So is it warranted that it gets a raise after making it?

Speaker 10 You signed the one-year deal.

Speaker 10 I agree with you, Ojo. Look,

Speaker 10 I'm just from a Steelers

Speaker 10 perspective.

Speaker 10 Okay, OJo. You come in there, you're like, oh, hey, bro, I want an A, man.
I need such and such. Well, you know, Ocho, you didn't have the best year now.

Speaker 10 Okay.

Speaker 10 So what you thinking?

Speaker 10 Well,

Speaker 10 how about this?

Speaker 10 We're going to do this.

Speaker 10 We'll give you 29, we'll give you 29 million for the next two years. Okay.

Speaker 10 Well, that's the risk that you run

Speaker 10 because what he didn't expect was for the defensive market to explode like it has. So now what looked like a really good deal

Speaker 10 is like chicken chicken feed to him. So now you get Miles Garrett.
You got his teammate

Speaker 10 making 41 million. Miles Garrett making 40.
You got

Speaker 10 Nick Bosa. You got Max Crosby.
You got Danelle Hunter. You got Michael Parsons.
You got all these guys.

Speaker 10 And he's like, hold on. Yeah.

Speaker 9 But

Speaker 9 he can't compare. He can't compare himself because he played.

Speaker 9 He has to compare himself to the tackles that play the five technique or other

Speaker 10 D tackles. Christian Wilkins was making 25 24 million.
Look at Dexter Lawrence. Give me the uh, give me the uh, the top five highest paid the D tackles.

Speaker 9 And yeah, I'm curious. I'm curious because I'm not Jeffrey, Jeffrey Simmons got to be up there too

Speaker 10 over there in 10. Yeah, Simmons, Lawrence,

Speaker 10 uh, Christian Wilkins was making 24 and a half million.

Speaker 9 He didn't get picked up, no,

Speaker 9 okay.

Speaker 9 I'm trying, I'm trying to think who else, D tackles, D tackles. Oh, Vidi Va.

Speaker 9 Vita Vera got to be top five paid as well.

Speaker 9 You see it? But him being at 22,

Speaker 9 that's tough.

Speaker 10 As she's sending it to me. Yeah, I agree with you, Ocho, is that, you know,

Speaker 10 you're looking at guys, I mean,

Speaker 10 at defensive players, you got to like, okay, D tackles.

Speaker 10 Okay, where's the D tackles market? The D tackles tackles market is in the mid-20s. He's like, bro, I'm at 14 and a half, 15.

Speaker 9 So, what would make it happen? What would make him happy, you think? Maybe 18. Okay,

Speaker 10 Chris Jones is the highest paid at 31,750.

Speaker 10 Matter of Beach Points from

Speaker 10 the Ravens,

Speaker 10 24 and a half. Alum McNeil from Detroit, 24,250.
Derek Brown, Carolina, 24. Quinny Williams, 24.
Simons,

Speaker 10 Jeffrey Simmons. I don't know why I call him Keep Hummers.
Simmons. Simmons is 23.5.

Speaker 10 DeFars Buckner, Coates, 23. Deron Payne, Washington, 22.5.

Speaker 10 Dexter Lawrence, 21.875. Kenny Clark, 21.

Speaker 9 I got something for you right here.

Speaker 9 I'm going to tell you how the Rooney's thinking. I'm going to tell you what Tom is thinking.
How old is Cam Hayward?

Speaker 10 Cam came in

Speaker 10 in 2011, so he at least 36 at the bare minimum.

Speaker 9 They're not doing it.

Speaker 9 They're not doing it.

Speaker 9 Everybody you just named, are they even 30 yet?

Speaker 10 Jones is.

Speaker 9 Jones is the best.

Speaker 9 Chris Jones is the best, best D-tacker in the NFL.

Speaker 9 You know?

Speaker 10 Chris Jones,

Speaker 10 31. But I I don't think Matt Obique I don't think McNeil uh Quinny I don't think Quinny is is is Quinny 30

Speaker 10 he might be

Speaker 9 um 36 come on now Quinn Williams 27 damn

Speaker 9 the bay listen Quinn you don't remember Quinn Williams when he uh

Speaker 9 on draft night when he sneezed and he said he he blessed himself

Speaker 9 hey but 36

Speaker 10 and I see Ocho, it's going to be hard for them to

Speaker 10 put him in that situation. And because he's like, okay, 15, can you give me the 20?

Speaker 9 Okay, what?

Speaker 9 20. Oh, that, oh,

Speaker 9 maybe, you know what we can do? We can give you something to sign a bonus. We'll take some of the money on the back end and bring it on the front end and put it into a signing bonus so it doesn't fit.

Speaker 10 But guess what that does?

Speaker 10 That takes money off next year's cap that takes money off next year's base salary

Speaker 10 and now that that 15 is 10.

Speaker 10 yeah

Speaker 9 hey i'm just trying to find a way i know it's going to be very difficult but knowing him and him saying he's going to stand his ground and not play that's going to be tough because now you're going into a season where you're trying to compete in the division you have aaron rodgers and the defense is stacked with all the people that you just added your identity now i'm not calling you the goddamn steel curtain but with the team, with the players you have on paper, you should be very good and be able to compete week in and week out, especially in AFC North and against other teams that you do play.

Speaker 9 I agree.

Speaker 9 And you are an intricate part of that defense

Speaker 9 where it matters most.

Speaker 10 You're one of the captains of the defense.

Speaker 9 Damn, man, that's tough. That's tough for the Steelers.

Speaker 10 Oh, you'll remember the other night we talked about Dalvin Cook, and I say his value is somewhere between 11 and 13.

Speaker 9 Hey, I say, I say, I said 13, 5.

Speaker 9 So where did he fall at? What?

Speaker 9 James Cook. James Cook.
12. 12.

Speaker 10 Four years, 48. I say the max, they'd probably be is four years 52, but I can see, you know,

Speaker 10 11 to 13. He's going to fall to somewhere 11, 13.
I say, he's not,

Speaker 10 he's not, he's not, that 15, he ain't breaking up right here. Right.

Speaker 9 He listen, he got 35.

Speaker 9 He's going to be all right. He's going to see that energy.

Speaker 9 Every dollar.

Speaker 10 So he's going to be all right, but hey, he's like, nah, y'all not finna get me, y'all finna give me something. I ain't finna play on this contract.

Speaker 10 Cam Ward believes he has a top five receiver core in the NFL right now. Ocho, do you believe that uh, the Titans have a top five receiving core?

Speaker 9 Uh, top five

Speaker 9 Eagles, let's let's go through

Speaker 9 Eagles,

Speaker 10 Bucs,

Speaker 9 Bucs,

Speaker 9 Lions, throwing the Packers in there.

Speaker 9 Lions,

Speaker 9 Packers,

Speaker 10 Vikes.

Speaker 10 I said Vikings.

Speaker 9 Now, when Terry McLaurin comes back, him and Debo, even though they haven't played together, we know what they can do. They've shown enough over the years.

Speaker 10 What about the Rams? I mean, with Puka Naku and Devontae. Oh, my goodness.

Speaker 9 The Rams, Puka Nakura and Devontae Adams. Obviously, we know what Devontae Adams is.

Speaker 10 What about the Dolphins?

Speaker 9 But listen,

Speaker 9 oh, Tyreek and Waddle.

Speaker 10 What about the Bears?

Speaker 9 Adunze, DJ Moore.

Speaker 9 Burton.

Speaker 9 You know, he,

Speaker 9 oh,

Speaker 9 hold on. We know what Tyler Lockett could do.

Speaker 9 We know what Calvin, Calvin Ridley is, that boy.

Speaker 10 Do they have a top five receiving core?

Speaker 9 I wouldn't say top five.

Speaker 10 That's all I want to hear. I'm going to say top five.

Speaker 9 Yeah. Hey, they have it.
They have a very, very good receiver in Calvin Ridley, though.

Speaker 10 PFF has them as the third worst receiving core.

Speaker 9 For real?

Speaker 9 Oh, babe, listen, look. Browns, based on Browns are the worst.

Speaker 10 Then the Patriots, and then they got the Titans.

Speaker 9 I see.

Speaker 9 Oh, that's tough, boy.

Speaker 10 I just know they weren't top five.

Speaker 9 Yeah, you got to believe.

Speaker 9 They're not top five but you have to say that you're the quarter oh yeah for sure you have to

Speaker 10 you have to feel that way about yourself sometimes you gotta lie to them ocho

Speaker 9 you gotta lie to them hey whoa how we didn't even mention cee d lamb and george pickens okay

Speaker 9 man

Speaker 10 we didn't but you did so there you go

Speaker 10 gotta you gotta feel that way though yeah for sure if you don't believe that about your team who

Speaker 9 right? And who's the number three over there in Tennessee? Now you got me thinking.

Speaker 10 I don't know.

Speaker 9 Tyler Lockett, Calvin Ridley, who's the number three?

Speaker 9 Chad, who's the number three? Somebody tell me who's the number three in

Speaker 10 number three, the number third wide receiver, Tyler Lockett, Van Jefferson. Van Jefferson.

Speaker 9 Okay, okay. Van Sala.
Van was with the Rams. Yes.

Speaker 10 And with Pittsburgh, what are you with?

Speaker 10 Where was he last year?

Speaker 9 Yeah, I said since he first,

Speaker 10 I said since he first, I thought so. He was with Pittsburgh last year, Ocho.
Yeah, Cam. Yo, look,

Speaker 10 I appreciate you pumping up your squad, but y'all not top five. I'm not even sure y'all top 10.
When we really get down to and we start naming, naming, receiving cards, Ocho.

Speaker 9 I'm not sure they're top 10.

Speaker 9 Hey,

Speaker 9 I know one thing:

Speaker 9 Calvin really is that boy.

Speaker 10 But it's more than to make a to make a receiver core. It's more than one.

Speaker 10 The Nevada Supreme Court has ruled in favor of former head raiders, head coach John Gruden, in his appeal against the NFL.

Speaker 10 Gruden will get discovery and a day in court alleging that Commissioner Roger Goodell and the NFL improperly leaked his email leading to his firing.

Speaker 9 Yeah. And hey, that's hey now that that's another one that's going to be interesting that's another one that's going to be interesting well you can't you can't appeal and now

Speaker 10 they might appeal this to the supreme court right

Speaker 10 they might supreme because the valid supreme court said nah no no no he gets discord he gets discourse because ocho you gotta realize there's 70 million dollars at stake he had a 10 year 100 million dollar deal they fired him oh yeah oh yeah well that's guaranteed though you know when coaches get when coach they they didn't pay him because they

Speaker 10 cause he got fired for cause.

Speaker 9 So is there a probable cause in getting fired? And that's like a player getting in trouble, conduct get drummed into the team, we can take that money back. Okay, I didn't know that part.

Speaker 10 Yes.

Speaker 9 I didn't know that part. Okay, okay.

Speaker 10 So would I be surprised if

Speaker 10 they went all the way to the Supreme Court? Yes, sir. I absolutely would not.
The NFL doesn't like to take L's.

Speaker 9 Right.

Speaker 10 Because remember, you take one, then everybody else feels like, hey, we got him vulnerable. We got him weak.
We can jump on.

Speaker 10 Look how big the giraffe is. All it takes is for one lion

Speaker 10 to weigh him down and then there come the rest. Everybody else.
That's how they get the, unless they kept it, catch it napping. Every once in a while, they'll

Speaker 10 catch one napping. He don't let it get too late in the day.
Yeah. And he's still resting and they catch him.
But for the most part, one of those big males, a jump on his back.

Speaker 9 Yeah, it's a wrap.

Speaker 10 That's 400 pounds. And he's like, hey, he can't support that.

Speaker 10 And here he comes.

Speaker 10 But look,

Speaker 10 the NFL, they've made it abundantly clear in

Speaker 10 the appellate court against Brian Flores. They're going to appeal.
I can see them appealing this all the way to the Supreme Court.

Speaker 9 He's still the defensive coordinator in Minnesota.

Speaker 10 Yeah, he absolutely is.

Speaker 9 Okay.

Speaker 10 After another joint practice fight between the Ravens and the Commanders, the Ravens issued this statement.

Speaker 10 Recognizing the logistical challenges with our team's previous game schedule on different days and the added strain on players heading into a short week, the Ravens and Commanders are mutually agreed to no longer hold joint practices next week.

Speaker 10 Instead, we'll concentrate on preparing for the upcoming preseason matchup.

Speaker 10 Ojo?

Speaker 9 Yeah.

Speaker 10 Damn.

Speaker 9 Yeah, I like it. I like it.
I mean, it is cool, but at times, Unk, you get tired of going against yourself. At times, you get tired of going against yourself.

Speaker 9 The funny thing about it is the joint practices, they're going to be scuffles. Uncle there have been scuffles in every joint practice every season back the date when I was playing.

Speaker 9 I'm sure there were scuffles. Oh, you said you guys didn't have joint practices.
But hell.

Speaker 10 No, we did. We did.

Speaker 9 Oh, you did? Oh, but hell, if it wasn't a joint practice, hell, you'd be scuffling against each other. Get it all out your system now.

Speaker 9 One thing we haven't seen in a very long time, except a few instances, is us as players actually fighting in a game.

Speaker 10 Now, hell no, that costs you money.

Speaker 9 There are a few instances. They don't play.
I remember one time.

Speaker 9 I can only count three. I can't remember the receiver's name.
Chad, you could probably help me out. The receiver who got upset at

Speaker 9 CJ Gardner Johnson.

Speaker 10 That probably. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 10 And popped him in the face?

Speaker 9 Yes, yes. And like when the play was over, he got the receiver.
And then I remember Odell and Josh Norman.

Speaker 10 Yes.

Speaker 9 Now that that was, and the most prevalent and consistent of battles was Mike Evans and Marshawn Lattimore.

Speaker 9 I think Steve, Steve Smith got into it with a few people back and forth, but nothing that really came to blows like the ones I just mentioned.

Speaker 10 right and i cannot forget aj green and jalen ramsey yep and andre johnson yeah and uh cortland

Speaker 10 cortland finnegan

Speaker 9 and um

Speaker 9 classic a teeb khalib a teed wait how you say it akee akeeb taleib and michael crabtree

Speaker 9 outside of that i mean that's it it happens very very very very very It doesn't happen often, but it does happen.

Speaker 10 Normally, but

Speaker 10 there's a build-up to it. Yeah, this is something that happens over years.
Yes, it ain't just one game, it's a history, it's a pattern, right? And it's like, okay,

Speaker 10 enough is enough. Because Dre told us, he's like, man, he had been doing this stuff for some years.

Speaker 10 And it just built up. And it just that day, like, you know what? I'm going to put my foot down.

Speaker 10 Actually, I'm going to put my foot in his ass. And so it was a buildup.

Speaker 10 But you know, when you're in joint practice, you got close proximity because when you fly in, you got to fly in the BWI, Baltimore, Washington International Airport.

Speaker 10 It's 50, 60 miles.

Speaker 9 Right.

Speaker 10 If that.

Speaker 10 So, you know, the close proximity, you know, yada, yada, yada. Everybody say we the toughest, we the baddest, and we get it.
Right.

Speaker 10 I just, for me, I didn't have that kind of time because I was exerting all my energy in practice. I ain't got time to be fighting.
Look, hey, how we doing this?

Speaker 10 We doing it snap the whistle or snap the after the whistle. I just need to know so that way I'm clear on how you play it.
So I can play just like that.

Speaker 10 And I, hey, we're not finna do no shoving or what so how we doing are we protecting each other am i gonna throw your ass over the pile or what we do it i just need to know because i can do it any kind of way i'm gonna make sure you know the one thing hey karma's got a got a lot better karma used to take years oh yeah sometimes karma instant oh yeah most definitely like instacar you know you're just like dang i don't know how i'm gonna get this i gotta go to the grocery store you can order now you can instacar stuff i guess oh yeah most definitely they'll bring you exactly what now sometimes they bring it to you

Speaker 9 yeah most definitely

Speaker 10 but uh

Speaker 10 so i guess i guess the ravens and and and and and and the uh uh the commanders they had a joint they were having joint practice they've just been fighting her

Speaker 9 damn yeah i i i saw some footage on twitter today where it was a big scuffle i'm i'm i'm assuming they use something maybe from last year

Speaker 9 Because I haven't seen any scuffles of recent. But I mean, this is smaller than the coaches.
You know, prepare for the game. Prepare for.

Speaker 10 Because the last thing you want to do is get somebody hurt, OJ.

Speaker 9 Yeah, most definitely. Most definitely.

Speaker 10 You get somebody hurt. Cause then somebody get hurt.
And if it's a key player,

Speaker 10 oh, ain't gonna be no more practicing. Yeah, at all.
We fight every snap. We fighting.

Speaker 10 Yeah, I like it.

Speaker 9 I like it.

Speaker 10 You know, look, look, I get it because a lot of times, because, you know, we doing 907.

Speaker 10 The DBs and wide receivers doing one-on-one. Hey, man, hey, who winning? Y'all got them? Right.
We killing these fools out here.

Speaker 9 Yeah.

Speaker 10 And that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 9 Hey, listen, that's what we got from the Titans, the Titans and Falcons. They're joint practice.

Speaker 9 They going at it back and forth. Because one Tennessee player said, okay, they got us today, but we're going to get their ass tomorrow.

Speaker 10 Exactly. That's what my sin.

Speaker 9 At the end of the day, it's all about competing. It's all about competing.

Speaker 9 Those that have already made the team, you want to make sure you look good and be able to put on a show in that joint practice and let them know I'm still him, whoever it is.

Speaker 9 And if you're not him, I'm trying to to make a name for myself right here until I get to do it on Sundays at one o'clock.

Speaker 10 If I'm not him, I'm trying to be him. But in the meantime, OJo, you're talking about we're going to get the ass back tomorrow.
Coach ain't trying to hear that.

Speaker 10 He's going to curse me out for the next two hours in meeting. Right, right, right, right.
So I got to hear his mouth. First of all, I had to hear your mouth, how y'all did on the practice field.

Speaker 10 And then I got to go to meetings, gonna get it from Mike. I'm gonna get it from the OC.
I'm gonna get it from my position coach. Nah, bro, you're not gonna do that.

Speaker 10 And now, at one point in time, now we might get as a team because i can't control everybody i'm just one of 11 but when it comes to my one-on-one matchup right coach ain't gonna do nothing but pat me on my back and say good job son i need that i promise you that i need that listen they love your coach gonna be your coach gonna be needy gonna have puts in your butt absolutely not mine absolutely listen they call it a team game huh yes they call it a team game they say it functions well It functions well when you play as a team.

Speaker 9 But what people fail to realize is when you break it down,

Speaker 9 all it is is 11 players.

Speaker 10 11 individual matchups.

Speaker 9 11 individual matchups. And when each one of you win that matchup,

Speaker 9 it works wonders. It works wonders.
But the funny thing about it is sometimes there are weaknesses in that 11, week to week. There's always a weakness somewhere.

Speaker 10 Yes.

Speaker 9 So coaches, that's where coaches come to play. I know what this player does well.
I know what he doesn't do well. It's a chess match between coordinators on Sundays.

Speaker 9 How do I hide the weaknesses and put certain players in position to make plays?

Speaker 10 Right.

Speaker 10 But it's even, even, even in

Speaker 10 joint practice is scripted because

Speaker 10 they want to look at certain formations against certain defenses. You want to see certain defenses against certain formations.
So everybody's trying to do everybody a favor. Now we don't go, okay.

Speaker 10 Hey, 907, hey, good solid thud, pad on pad, square up.

Speaker 10 Just tell, just let me know. Hey, you go across the middle, a guy's gonna put pads on you.
Now, they're not gonna take you to the ground, but be prepared for a collision.

Speaker 9 Yeah, get yourself used to it.

Speaker 10 I'm cool with that. Now, if they done told us one thing and all of a sudden you want to be a hero, okay, don't worry about it.
I'll get you back.

Speaker 9 Yeah, it changes everything.

Speaker 10 You're damn right it does because you're not finna get me.

Speaker 10 And then go over to the sideline and slap hand and slap high-fives.

Speaker 10 Don't worry about it.

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