BEST OF NFL NEWS Part 1: Jerry Jones Circus + Brian Flores vs the NFL

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According to Diana Rossini, the Bengals have been actively engaged in trade discussions surrounding Trey Hendrickson for weeks.

According to teams, they've reached out to Cincinnati only seeking draft capital in return.

They're also targeting defensive players in a potential deal.

Last season, Hendrickson ranked first in sack, first in pressure, sixth in pressure rates, third in havoc plays, second in tackle for losses.

The last two seasons off the field, Hendricks, a defense.

With him off the field, Ocho, you're 32nd in pressure rate,

32nd in success rate, 32nd in pass rating.

When he's on the field, you're top 12 in pressure rates, top 12 in success rate, top 12 in passerring.

I don't understand this.

This is what I don't understand.

You knew you weren't going to play him.

They knew that, Ocho, but what they thought, he was going to do what he did last year.

Oh, he'll come in.

He told you he wasn't.

Just like Chase said, if y'all pull that bull jive y'all did last year, I'm not coming in.

He said he wasn't coming.

Y'all knew y'all wouldn't.

See, I don't understand it, Ocho.

Why would you not move him before the draft and get somebody?

Get a draft pick.

Listen, I have no idea.

I thought maybe, I'm thinking maybe, maybe

Mike Brown, Katie, Troy, Duke, understanding that Trey Hendrickson loves not just the team, but loves the game of football.

And maybe he would fold at some point and come back.

And obviously, he's one that understands the business.

And you got to hit while the fire is hot.

You got to hit while the stove is hot.

And this is his time.

This is his time to hit based on what he's done, not just last year, but the previous year as well.

But then

you also look at it from their viewpoint.

Well, hell, you had 17 sacks last year, but our defense was horrible.

But you paid your quarterback and your two wide receivers.

But our offense was phenomenal.

So

make sure I hear this right.

This is what Trey Ringo said.

He said, let's recap.

The Bengal have a generational Hall of Fame quarterback.

They paid their two top targets.

Despite all this, they missed a playoff last season because their defense was terrible.

So how do they fix that?

By listening to trade offers for the best defensive player, unsigned defensive and Trey Hendrickson.

This is how management fails its players.

Kyle Brandt said, if the Bengals trade Trey Hendrickson, it will just be the second time in the modern era that a player has led the NFLs in sack and to be traded the following season.

The only other time that happened, Kansas City traded hall of famer jared allen to minnesota in 2008 allen was first team all-pro three times with the vikings

well i mean the reports are saying they are listening they're listening to um trade offers

yeah they're listening to trade offers oh yo but you knew you weren't gonna pay him he had made it abundantly clear you guys so whatever y'all work behind things he's like okay he came back okay maybe if i get close there, they see me there.

Hey, we can engage again.

They were unwilling.

He's not going to take what you're going to offer him.

17 and a half sacks in back-to-back years.

There are not very many guys that's played since the sack became an official stat in 1982.

Has put together 17 and a half sacks in back-to-back seasons.

He's done that.

I just don't know how you think you got.

Oh, Joe.

If you couldn't stop anybody with him, who the hell are you stopping without him?

We saw last year Chase had the triple crown, Burrow led the league in what passing yards and passing touchdowns, and you missed the playoffs

because your defense was atrocious.

And what do you do?

Clearly, the guy that's leap years ahead of everybody on your defense is not even close.

And remember, Ocho, you released Pratt, your linebacker.

Yeah,

he wanted a deal as well.

Pratt went to the Raiders.

Go ahead, Ocho.

We got sick.

Oh, yeah.

Okay, Chad.

I mean, listen.

Yeah,

it's the business.

Understand how the business works.

I think the Bengals see it as we were very bad defensively last year with you.

Why are we doing this?

You just got worse.

Yeah, I mean, listen,

you never know.

Shamar Stewart.

What will Shamar Stewart be for us this year?

He's a rookie.

I'm not saying we're counting on a rookie to come in, but if.

how many rookies have ever had 17 sacks in a season?

I'm not saying, I'm not saying he's gonna get 17, huh?

I'm just saying the way the business works, paying you top dollar, and you're bringing a rookie that's on what who knows,

a minimal salary, minimal salary, and can come in and contribute.

He might not get 17 sacks, but will do maybe not a good job as Trey Henderson, but be efficient.

The most sacks ever by a rookie is Javon Curtis in 1999.

He had 14 and a half.

And I listen, no disrespect.

I'm not going to be disrespectful.

No,

I don't know if he's freaked.

We'll have to see, but freak was special.

I played against freak.

Oh, yeah, he was the real deal.

He was a real deal.

I'm excited, though.

I mean, I'm excited.

I mean, listen, I don't know what's going to happen.

I don't think whatever does happen, our identity in Cincinnati, our identity is our offense.

And I said, I said it, and I say it again.

I don't know what we're going to do defensively, but we have to improve from last year.

We don't need you to be the best defense in the world.

We don't need to

be the best.

I just need you to be.

Wait, let me finish.

I just need you to be somewhere in the middle of the pack.

15,

16,

be able to make stops when it matters most.

I don't need you to be number one.

I don't need you to be number two.

I don't need you to be three, four, or five.

I just need you to meet us halfway.

Meet the offense halfway.

15, 16, 17, somewhere around there, we're going to be all right.

If you had a Pat Sertan, if you had a Stingley, if you had a Sauce Gardner, you had a Ramsey, if you had one of those top guys, I could say, okay, Ocho, you can hold up a little longer, get them guys, but y'all don't have that.

Y'all, best defensive player, hands down, and it wasn't even close, is Trey Hendrickson.

Ocho, you guys scored 38 and lose 41-38.

Ocho, you guys scored 35 and lose 38-35

because you couldn't couldn't get off the field

yeah with that being said i don't know how you're going to improve i don't know if you've made that big of an improvement defensively even with stewart he'll have to be

curse micah uh aaron dono lt yeah you have to have those kind of seasons on cho

yeah i don't i don't um i i don't i don't know you listen you've been around the game you've been around the game for a long time We've seen situations like this happen and occur on many other teams.

They don't feel he's worth the price tag that he's asking for.

They've already paid T.

They've already played Chase.

They played Joe.

I mean, I mean, this is just, he's the odd man out.

He's the odd man out.

And now they're listening to trade offers.

But you don't, but unless you.

Well, maybe if you trade him.

Well, you can't trade him for Micah because you can't pay Micah.

I'm trying to say who you're going to trade.

Who can you trade him for?

Because if you trade him just for a draft pick, you don't get nothing to help you this year and you need help this year.

Time out.

We wind it right back.

Now, you just got me excited.

You just got me excited.

I don't know how much money is left over.

None.

I don't know any that can manipulate the cap

and make it happen.

Is there any way,

any scenario, that we can get Michael Parsons?

You're going to have three guys making over 40 million on your roster?

Hey,

I like the way that sounds.

You want to play Trey Hendricks?

You want to pay Trey Hendricks 30 million, but you're going to give Michael Parsons 43, 44 million?

Yeah, ask your question.

How old is Trey Hendrickson?

Ask Addis.

How old is Trey?

32?

30.

How old is Michael Parsons?

25.

He came out early, so he might be 26.

26.

Now ask me that question again.

Would they pay him 43?

No.

They wouldn't.

They wouldn't.

They wouldn't.

They would.

Yeah, I can ask right now.

I can call personnel right now.

First of all, they're not paying a $55 million quarterback, a $43, $45 million defensive player, a $41 million wide receiver, and a $30 million wide receiver.

They're not having that.

They're not paying that.

Hold on.

They just ojo, y'all just started spending money two years ago with Burrow.

Think about all the great players that you guys have had that have left.

Right,

I'm gonna, I'm gonna call somebody upstairs.

I'm this hypothetical.

I'm gonna see what they say.

Damn, I like that.

That's crazy.

BJ Hill, Chris Jenkins.

I don't know, Ocho.

Y'all might be in the same situation again.

Nah, I don't think so.

Hey, I have a question.

Would it be rude if I called Zach and asked that?

That's rude, huh?

You ask whatever you want to ask him.

That's not offensive, right?

It's just a regular question.

Regular question for what?

To ask Zach Taylor.

If I call and ask.

Is that rude?

You can ask whatever you want to, Ocho.

We'll sit right here and watch.

Wait.

I don't know if the chat believe you calling him, but oh, sure.

We'll hold on.

Yeah, I'm texting.

Look.

Can you see that on?

No.

I said, coach, are you up?

I want to make sure you're up.

I don't want to call.

It's 12 o'clock.

They play tomorrow.

So I don't know.

It's 12.19.

They playing in DC.

What's the time difference in DC?

Dallas is on Central time.

DC is on Eastern time.

So, oh, it's 12:19.

I call E.B., you know, E.B., right?

You know, Eric Ball.

No.

But Eric Ball played with the Bengals when you was playing.

With

David, I think, yeah, with David Folcher.

Yeah.

DB?

No, wait.

Oh, you're running back.

I think Eric Ball might have been a running back.

I think

you probably know him when you see him.

He's been over there since I was there, before I got there.

Yeah, Eric Ball.

Yeah, yeah, part of player.

I forgot, I don't know how to pronounce the.

What are you

community, like community relations guy?

Yeah, I think he's in the player personnel department.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, probably.

Player engagement, it might be something.

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Yeah, probably something like that.

Something like that.

Ojo, Jerry Jones continues to believe

all publicity is good publicity.

Jerry said, I do believe that if we're not being looked at, then I'll do my part to get us looked at.

The beautiful thing for networks, or if you were streaming companies, is that the NFL is a 365-day a year interest factory.

A lot of programming you have to spend as much to promote as

you do to make it.

The Cowboys are soap opera 365 days a year.

When it gets slow, I'll stir it up.

Ojo, Jerry said,

he be stirring the pot.

Listen, man, everybody in the chat, I use this moniker, I use this phrase, I use this analogy last night.

I don't think Jerry Jones understands the product that he owns and controls.

Frank Lucas,

an American gangster, he had blue magic, huh?

Yeah, it was the best product out there in the business, in the world.

You didn't have to do anything to it because it sold itself

jerry why are you cutting it up you don't need to cut it up in any smaller pieces for it to do what it's going to do without you in the picture it's going to sell itself no matter what the cowboys will always be talked about whether you come out and say something or not because it's the cowboys

I don't, I don't know, I don't, listen, I don't, he's not in the business of winning.

He continues to show us that time and time again.

In the business of making money.

He's in the business of, you said, he's in the business of making money.

He is great at that.

And that's just what it is.

I feel sorry for the fans.

You know, I feel sorry for the players

that have to deal with that.

You know, you want to play for the Cowboys.

You want to play for America's team, got a star on the helmet, but it's more of a circus than it is a football team and the one at the top.

Success on any team.

it starts at the top yep it just triggers on down but if the circus starts at at the top, what do you think the product is going to look like?

Come on, man.

It don't got to be Sunday for me to preach.

Come on, man.

You know, that's a man.

You know, hey, look.

Like the Jerry, but come on, man.

The Cowboys, I think I just read today.

The Cowboys are worth $12.8 billion.

That's the most expensive franchise, not just North America, of all sports franchises.

Basketball, football, baseball,

these soccer teams, Euro, all that.

Nothing.

Yeah.

If it's a sports club,

sports franchise, nothing is more valuable than the Cowboys.

Yeah.

Nothing.

Hey, the man is in the business of making money.

You hear me?

That's it.

Hey, listen, bye.

I don't have a problem with that.

We don't try to disguise the talk about you care about winning because you don't.

No.

You care about selling tickets.

You care about keeping interest in your team, not about winning.

Hey,

actions speak louder than words.

His actions show otherwise.

And based on his actions, it lets us know I'm in the business of lining my pockets and staying the most profitable sports franchise in the world.

That's it.

And then if he's okay with that, then so be it.

But he does set a precedent.

Yeah.

He sets a precedent to the coaches.

He sets a precedent to the players.

And the way he conducts himself when it comes to business.

But it is what it is.

It's the Calvin.

It's America's team.

I heard Emmett at this doctor series

the other night when he was at Netflix and he was talking about

at some point in time it comes down to the players because that's what we did.

Emmett, so who are, who I want to know the Emmett Smith,

the Michael Irving.

Michael Irving was the leader of the team.

Yes, sir.

And then you had Haley.

And you look at the guys that you had.

You had Jimmy.

You had Jimmy.

And then y'all got Dion.

If you don't get Deion, y'all not going to be San Francisco.

If he stays in San Francisco, guess who winning?

San Francisco.

He's flipped the balance of power.

Yeah.

Y'all don't have a level of playoff, dammit.

I'm sorry.

You don't.

You don't.

You look at the defense that they had back then.

Boy, we're loaded, right?

They were loaded.

Boy, we're loaded.

Look at that offensive line.

They had Big Easy.

They had Larry Allen.

They had Nate Newton.

I think they still had Step.

I think Tuiné was still there.

Man, stop.

That offensive line y'all got?

Troy was probably one of the most accurate quarterbacks, especially for that time.

Right.

Different.

Different.

But you got to realize, Jimmy wasn't doing all this talking back then either, Odo Emmett.

Jimmy wasn't having that.

That's why he got Jimmy up out of there.

Yeah,

he was doing all this talking.

I don't know about you, Ocho, but I was in the league.

I was in the league.

And I know it wasn't no 24-hour news cycle, but in press conference, they didn't have no mic, they had no mics in front of Jimmy.

I mean, in front of Jerry.

The mice were in front of Jimmy, and it drove Jerry crazy.

Damn,

that's crazy.

But I agree with you.

The Cowboys' brand is so strong.

You ain't got to say nothing.

Nothing.

We're going to talk about it regardless.

Yeah.

Outlets, analysts, punts, podcasts, people on the street, in the barbershop.

I don't remember.

I don't remember you.

Hey, you ever hear Mr.

Crab talk?

Prior to the Super Bowl, I hear him talk at the NFC Championship game when he getting the trophy.

or that tooth that that that when he getting the trophy so he normally getting trophies when he talking talking yeah yeah jerry talking to hear himself talk talk like man i forgot what my voice hurt like i ain't been on no i ain't been on no platform and got no trophy in a long time so

you heard what you heard what denzel washington said

with that opinionaires yeah he know i'm talking about the other you know he's oh he's about jerry jerry oh he say jerry about making money that's it that's it

I believe too I believe you can do two things that I don't believe they have to be mutual exclusive I believe you can make money and still win.

Yeah.

Yeah, you can.

The Patriots did it for 20 years.

The Chiefs have done it for about a decade now.

Right.

But then, you know, his retort to what you just said would be, well, they made money.

They won Super Bowls, but I'm still the most profitable franchise.

Yes.

Would I much rather be number one in that area if I can't be number one on the field?

Well,

the Cowboys were America's team when they didn't have Jerry Jones.

So what is he talking about?

Hey.

He didn't name them America's team.

They had the stadium

with the hole in the top so God could watch his team.

He didn't do none of that.

Right.

So this notion that he created this, he didn't.

All the teams have exponentially increased.

I mean, you could, for what, one year's salary or what a quarterback make, you could used to be able to buy a franchise.

Go back and look at some of these franchises, what they paid for.

Now, that was, I mean, that was a boatload of money back then in the early 70s.

And, you know,

that was a boatload of money.

But I'm just saying, and today, you know, they've 10x, 15, 20x their money.

Oh, yeah.

So

Jerry probably even 50x his money.

But with that being said,

I don't believe that you have to do all that.

Jerry wasn't like this.

Like I said, Al Davis was his mentor.

That's who taught him.

He's Al Davis.

Al Davis has always been a Maverick, always did things his way.

And, you know, he's like, I'm moving.

I'm going to L.A.

No, you got to get vote.

I ain't got to get nothing.

It's my team.

I bought it.

I'm moving.

And he sued the league to move.

And he sued.

He just, I'm going back to Oakland.

No, you're not.

You got, no, I'm going.

Bye.

I'm suing.

And that's how Jerry is.

Jerry's like, nah, I'm not going to be a part.

I'm going to be a part of the collective bargaining when it comes to,

excuse me, I'm going to be a part of the revenue sharing when it comes to TV.

After that,

I'm on my own.

I'm going to do my own independent deals.

He has a deal with Pepsi.

He has his own deals.

He has his own merchandising deal.

He's like, no,

I'll do that revenue sharing when it comes to TV.

Right.

But other than that, because I can do a better job than you.

Got no problem with that.

But it's unfortunate.

At the end of the day, bro, right now we're doing this talking.

Yeah.

You ain't collecting no trophies.

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Ocho,

I don't know how close you follow this, but I've always felt the way the NFL did business with this discipline was unfair.

And guys, if you've heard me from CBS, I was on there a decade.

I was with Fox for seven years.

And I like to use this analogy.

Ocho, if I got a speeding ticket, I shouldn't have to go appeal it to the chief of police because it was his department that gave me the ticket.

Come on, man.

I've always thought it was unfair.

The NFL hands down this punishment.

And if I want to go appeal it, guess who I'll appeal it to?

Right.

The commissioner.

Yes, sir.

Or someone he appointed.

How is that fair?

It should be an independent body.

That's why they have a court system.

That's why they have the post.

They're two separate

but equal entities.

Yes, sir.

So I've always felt this was a very, very unfair practice.

They've always been able to hide behind Article 46.

Yes, sir.

But you gave commission and he's everything.

He's everything.

He's the jury.

He's the judge.

He's everything.

That is so, so unfair.

Even if you have these broad latitudes of power, I've always felt the commissioner should get out of the punishment business.

Let someone else handle that.

Let it be an independent body.

The NFL and the NFL PA should have an independent body.

Because you're never,

everybody feels

they're going to get an unfair

hearing.

I'm appealing to the head of the

entity that handed down the punishment

but this is this is the thing huh let's let's understand the ecosystem and the power and the powers that be when it comes to the nfl let's say if it does go to an independent body do you understand even with it being an independent independent party independent body a separate entity away from the nfl do you know who

still controls the power Do you know how they're going to be swayed still where justice is still not going to be due?

Even though it's a different entity?

Do you understand that?

Understanding the power structure that you're going up against, the chances of winning are slim to none, whether it comes from the commissioner himself or whether it's a different governing body.

I do believe I have a better.

Let me ask you a question: if I get a speeding ticket, do you think I got a better chance of going to the court or going to the chief of police and having him hear it?

Because think about what happens when

police officers do something wrong, right?

It's few and far between

that their own department, i.a.

internal affairs, or the governing body that represents the police, the union,

discipline them.

Yes, you're right.

You're right.

There's a greater chance that the court, and now you know, look, but the court system has said, you know, hey,

that imminent.

Hey, hey,

hey, any threat, be it real or perceived.

Let that sink in, Ocho.

Yeah.

Real or perceived.

Yes.

You have to understand it.

And you know well, for those that don't understand, maybe on the outside looking in, even with this ruling, now being able to be or go to court.

Oh, they're going to appeal it now.

Even if they appeal it, you understand the animal and the power structure that you're going up against.

The machine?

I have a question, huh?

Yes.

In the history,

in the history of law in general, how many times have the people, even those that have been discriminated against, even those who serve right and deserve justice, how many times is machine lost, huh?

It doesn't happen often, but you can't get deterred.

Just imagine if Dr.

King would have gotten disturbed, deterred, or all those people that marched in the 50s and the 60s had gotten deterred.

Rosa Parks, if she had said, you know what, ain't nothing going to change.

So let me just go ahead and give my seat up.

You know what?

I'm glad you just said that, right?

I'm glad you just said that.

So everything we've been through in the 50s, right?

The 60s, all those that sacrificed.

Yes.

We had one that sacrificed even recently.

Brother Kaepernick, taking the lead.

Yes.

Standing for something.

Yes.

I have a question for you.

Yes.

Has anything changed since then?

In the NFL?

No, no, no, not the NFL in general.

Just with everyone you just named, with 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s,

happening.

Has anything changed yet?

It doesn't seem like it, Ocho.

It seems like if we take a step forward, we take a couple of steps back.

Okay.

But

if you

think about your grandparents,

then your parents was in that same situation and you said ain't nothing changed.

So I might as well just stay in the same Liberty City, do what they did, and not try my damnedest to improve the situation.

Where would we be?

We try our damnest to improve the situations, right?

That's what you could do.

Talk to him.

Wait, let me stay with me real quick.

Now, there was a time in the 50s, in the 60s, where they were able to wear their hoods, huh?

Yes.

In daylight, in broad daylight.

Yes.

Because it was accepted.

So now they've gone away from that part.

So the hoods are gone.

Yes.

Now they wear robes.

Now they hold gambles.

Now

they have suits and ties on.

Now they're in positions of power to where, okay,

it seems like things have changed or things may be different, but it really hasn't because now they're just in positions of power and controlling everything.

And that's what they do.

And that's the way the system is all to me,

it's all about understanding the system

and being able to fight it, being able to fight it and understanding that

I'm going to do all I can to try and improve the situations around me and make some type of impact.

But the way the ecosystem is built in general, general the way it's structured is built for you to never to win but you have to because they would never they would never they would never allow us to ever get in position to be able to make that change and the ones who do that look like us that happen to get them and wear the suit and ties too you got to play by their rules but see what you did you see what you're saying but when we get a chance to get in that position do we do do we lift someone up Or do we kick the ladder and say, I'm up on the top of the roof now, so I'm good.

I'm up here.

i don't want nobody to look like you join me up here stay stay stay me one more time though listen to what i said yes when they do allow you and put you in positions of power you have to play their game by their rules that's why they're even letting you get in that position to begin with sometimes that's correct but you have to look at it ocho Think about a system that's been in place for as long as it has.

Do you think you're going to dismantle a system that's been in place for 400 years in 30 years?

I know one thing, that system that's been in place for however long it's been in,

if they allow you

to be in that position of power, you better play by their rules.

And there's an understanding that you have to do that in order to be there.

But I mean, dude,

this is a great topic.

You know, I'm not one to really talk about politics and stuff like that, but I can go.

I can go now.

But

I love the fact.

This is nah,

because they said, because if you go back and look at the ruling, he said the judge is like, ain't no chance that this is fair under no circumstance at all.

Even if he were to appoint someone,

it's still him.

So you, like an arbitrator that he appointed, is going to rule against the man that appointed him.

Right.

You're right.

Make it make sense now.

Yeah, you're right.

Again, we go back.

I got the speeding ticket and I'm going to the, I go to the chief of police.

Right.

Okay, well, guess what?

The chief's not going to to hear it.

We're going to give it to the corporal.

He'll hear it.

He's still,

no, no, no, no, no.

It needs to be a separate body.

That's why the police do what they do.

And then, guess what?

Your job is done.

We go into court.

Yeah.

And now we have a whole different body with 12 men and women that's going to determine it.

Right.

Yeah.

Because if it was left up to the police, they would have 100%.

Yeah.

100%.

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

But just

in this case, what happened with Brother Flores and other coaches that look like us, minorities

for that matter, I love

that they standing on bennettes in general and they're going to get in court.

But I also do understand the other dynamic of it and understanding who you're fighting against.

Yeah.

Oh, they got a lot of money.

They can throw a lot of look.

The funny thing about it,

the thing about it is not even about the money.

It's the power in in which they can sway any ruling to make sure they're not at fault.

Because that fight that they're fighting about, it's still going on today with opportunities not being given to certain individuals that look a certain way.

Nothing has changed.

Also,

when it comes to the quarterback position, that's still prevalent in today's game as well.

Yeah.

But the thing is,

I don't want to dive deep and go into it and go in depth, but there's so many different layers I can peel back right now that I choose not to do.

But listen, only a blind man, only a blind man would not understand what I'm talking about.

No, only a man that choose not to understand what you're talking about.

And for those that can't see and don't know and are going to play maybe naive advocate.

Yeah, and dumb to the situation when the facts are clear as day that you can see.

Come on, man, let's not do that.

But, hey, the man gets to have his day in court and we'll see what happens.

And then, you know, you go from there.

But I can assure you they're going to uh appeal this the nevada supreme court has ruled in favor of former head raiders head coach john grudin in his appeal against the nfl grudin will get discovery and a day in court alleging that commissioner roger goodell and the nfl improperly leaked his email leading to his firing

yeah and hey

hey now that that's another one that's going to be interesting that's another one that's going to be interesting well you can't you can't appeal.

And now,

they might appeal this to the Supreme Court.

Right.

They might supreme because the Nevada Supreme Court said, nah, no, no, no.

He gets the score.

He gets discorded.

Because, ocho, you got to realize there's $70 million at stake.

He had a 10 year, $100 million deal.

They fired him.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Well, that's guaranteed, though.

You know, when coaches get, when coaches...

They didn't pay him because they

cause.

He got fired for cause.

So is there a probable cause in getting fired?

And that's like a player getting in trouble.

conduct get your money into the team we can take that money back okay i didn't know that part yes i didn't know that part okay okay so would i be surprised if uh if if the they went all the way to the supreme court yes i absolutely would not the nfl doesn't like to take l's right because remember you take one you then everybody else feel like we got him vulnerable we got him weak we can we can jump on the wheel all it look how big the giraffe feels all it takes is for one lion yeah to weigh him down and then there come come the rest everybody else yeah that's how they get the unless they kept it catch it napping every once in a while they'll catch him that catch one napping you don't let it too get too late in the day yeah and uh he's still resting and they catch him but for the most part one of those big males a jump on his back yeah it's a wrap that's 400 pounds and he's like hey he can't support that and here he comes yeah but uh look

The NFL, they've made it very abundantly clear in the

appellate court against Brian Flores.

They're going to appeal.

I can see them appealing this all the way to the Supreme Court.

He's still the defensive coordinator in Minnesota.

He absolutely is.

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Uh-oh, Joe.

Cam Hayward is open to setting out regular season games in search of a raise.

Cam Hayward, who is the 22nd highest paid DT, said he's looking to be valued.

It's hard for me after the year I had to really justify playing at that number I'm playing at.

Hayward said the team asked him to take a pay cut last summer.

They ironed out a rework deal instead that runs through 2026.

Hayward responded by bouncing back from an injury mark 2023 season, defending with eight sacks, 71 tackles, 11 pass defense, as the Steelers went 10-7 to reach the playoffs for the fourth time in five years.

Right.

Hey, listen, Cam Hayward said, I can't play at 15 million.

Now, those that are on the outside watching, fans, NFL fans, oh, the first thing they're going to say, oh, my goodness, you can't play on $15 million.

They don't see it from that perspective.

Actually, being an athlete, being an all-pro player, and being a D-tackle, that I'm not sure when it comes to Z-tackles, where he's ranked, when it comes to D-tackles in the NFL right now, as far as where he should be stated at.

Next to Lawrence, one of the betters, the Ed Olivers, one of the betters, Aaron Donald.

He's different because he's a five technique.

Because they're a 3-4 defense.

So he's not like in your typical, like a Warren Sapp.

He's not like uh like uh aaron donald when aaron donald was in the 43 he's a three four he's more of a jj watt he's a five technique right and so i i don't i don't want to i'm gonna try to keep it simple but if you notice they got two life they got a nose tackle they got two ends and they got two linebackers so they got four linebackers sam on a wheel a mic and a plug

and they got three down linemen He's what we call a five technique.

He's a defensive end, but he's playing a five technique, not the three technique or what we call the under-tackle that Joe Green made famous and the Warren Saps, the Johnny Randles, and those

Aaron Donalds, those type of guys.

He's a five-tech.

And so, with that being said, but the Steelers are saying, Hold on, bro, we just redid your contract

last year, last year,

yeah.

But they asked him to take a pay cut, they asked him to take a pay cut.

I'm assuming because of his injury and his plate might have been down.

So, is it warranted that it gets a raise after making signed the one-year deal.

I agree with you, Ocho.

Look.

I'm just, from a Steelers

perspective.

Okay, Ojo.

You come in there, you're like, oh, hey, bro, I want an A, man.

I need such and such.

Well, you know, Ocho, you didn't have the best year now.

Okay.

So what you thinking?

Well,

how about this?

We're going to do this.

We'll give you $29 million for the next two years.

Okay.

Well, that's the risk that you run

because what he didn't expect was for the defensive market to explode like it has.

So now what looked like a really good deal

is like chicken feed to him.

So now you get Miles Garrett.

You got his teammate

making 41 million.

Miles Garrett making 40.

You got

Nick Nick Bosa.

You got Max Crosby.

You got Danelle Hunter.

You got Michael Parsons.

You got all these guys.

And he's like, hold on.

Yeah.

But

he can't compare.

He can't compare himself because he played.

He has to compare himself to the D tackles that play the five technique or other.

But even the D tackles.

Christian Wilkins was making 25, 24 million.

Look at Dexter Lawrence.

Give me the top five highest paid D tackles.

I'm curious.

I'm curious because I'm not Jeffrey.

Jeffrey Simmons got to be up there too.

Over there in 10 years.

Yeah, Simmons, Lawrence.

Christian Wilkins was making 24 and a half million.

He didn't get picked up.

No.

Okay.

I'm trying to think.

Who else?

D-tackles, D-tackles.

Oh, Vita VA.

Vita Vera got to be top five paid as well.

You see it?

But him being at 22,

that's tough.

As she's saying it to me, yeah, I agree with you, Ocho, is that, you know,

you looking at guys, I mean,

at defensive players, you got to like, okay, D tackles.

Okay, where's the D tackles market?

The D tackles market is in the mid-20s.

He's like, bro, I'm at 14 and a half, 15.

So what would make it happen?

What would make him happy, you think?

Maybe 18.

Okay.

Because

Chris Jones is the highest paid at 31,750.

I don't know how to do it.

From

the Ravens, 824 and a half.

Ola McNeil from Detroit, 24,250.

Derek Brown, Carolina, 24.

Quinny Williams, 24.

Simons,

Jeffrey Simmons.

I don't know why I call him Keep Hummers.

Simmons.

Simmons is 23.5.

DeFars Buckner, Colts, 23.

Deron Payne, Washington, 22.5.

Dexter Lawrence, 21875.

Kenny Clark, 21.

I got something for you right here.

I'm going to tell you how the Rooney's thinking.

I'm going to tell you what Tomlin is thinking.

How old is Cam Hayward?

Cam came in

in 2011, so he at least 36 at the bare minimum.

They're not doing it.

They're not doing it.

Everybody you just idea.

Everybody you

everybody you just named, are they even 30 yet?

Uh, uh, Jones is.

Um,

Jones is the best.

Jones is the Chris Jones is the best, best D tackle in the NFL.

You know, Chris Jones, you just 30, 31, but I don't think Matt Abique.

I don't think McNeil, uh, Quinny, I don't think Quinny is Quinny 30.

He might be

36.

Come on, now Quinn Williams, 27.

Damn

the bay, listen.

Quinn, you don't remember Quinn Williams when he uh

on draft night with the sneeze and he said he he blessed himself.

Hey, but 36.

I mean, listen,

and I see Ocho, it's gonna be hard for them to put

him in that situation.

And because he's like, okay, 15, can you get me to 20?

Okay, what?

20.

Oh, that, oh,

maybe, you know what we can do?

We can give you something to sign a bonus.

We'll take some of the money on the back end and bring it on the front end and put it into a signing bonus.

So it doesn't affect you.

But guess what that does?

That takes money off next year's cap.

That takes money off next year's base salary.

And now that 15 is 10.

Yeah.

Hey, I'm just trying to find a way.

I know it's going to be very difficult, but knowing him and him saying he's going to stand his ground and not play, that's going to be tough.

Because now you're going into a season where you're trying to compete in the division.

You have Aaron Rodgers and the defense is stacked with all the people that you just added.

Your identity now, I'm not calling you the goddamn steel curtain, but with the team, with the players you have on paper, you should be very good and be able to compete.

week in and week out, especially in AFC North and against other teams that you do play.

I agree.

And you are an an intricate part of that defense

where it matters most.

You're one of the captains of the defense.

Damn, man, that's tough.

That's tough for the Steelers.

Oh, y'all.

Remember the other night we talked about Dalvin Cook, and I say his value is somewhere between 11 and 13.

Hey, I said, I say, I said 13.5.

So where did he fall at?

What?

James Cook.

James Cook.

12.

12.

Four years, 48.

I say the max, they'd probably be is four years 52, but I can see you know 11 to 13.

He's gonna fall to someone 11, 13.

I say, he's not, yeah, he's not, he not, he's not that 15, he ain't breaking up right here, right?

He got even listening, he got he got 35,

he's gonna be all right.

He's gonna see that

every dollar, so he's gonna be all right, but hey, he's like, nah, y'all not finna get me, y'all finna get me something, I ain't finna play on this contract.

Cam Ward believes he has a top five receiver core in the NFL NFL right now.

Ocho, do you believe that the Titans have a top five receiving core?

Top five

Eagles.

Let's go through

Eagles.

Eagles.

Bucks.

Bucks.

Lions.

Throwing the Packers in there.

Lions.

Packers.

Vikes.

I said Vikings already.

You said Vikings already.

Now, when Terry McLaurin comes back, him and Debo, even though they haven't played together, we know what they can do.

They've shown enough over the years.

What about the Rams?

I mean, with Puka Naku and Devontae.

Oh, my goodness.

The Rams, Puka Nakura and Devontae Adams.

Obviously, we know what Devontae Adams.

What about the Dolphins?

But listen,

oh, Tyreek and Waldo.

What about the Bears?

Adunze, DJ Moore.

Burton.

You know, he, he, he, ooh, um,

hold on.

We know what Tyler Lockett could do.

We know what Calvin Ridley is.

That boy.

Do they do they have a top five receiving core?

I wouldn't say top five.

That's all I want to hear to you.

I'm going to say top five.

Yeah.

Hey, they have it.

They have a very, very good receiving Calvin Ridley, though.

PFF has them as the third worst receiving core.

For real?

Oh, babe, listen, look.

Browns, based on all Browns are the worst,

then the Patriots, and then they got the Titans.

I see.

Oh, that's tough, boy.

I just know they weren't top five.

Yeah, you got to believe.

It ain't not top five, but you have to say that.

You're the core.

Oh, yeah, for sure.

You have to feel that way about yourself.

Sometimes you got to lie to him, Ocho.

You got to lie to them.

Hey, whoa, how did we even mention CeeDee Lamb and George Pickens?

Man,

we didn't, but you did.

So there you go.

You got to feel that way, though.

Yeah, for sure.

If you don't believe that about your team, who will?

Right.

Hey, who's the number three over there in Tennessee?

Now you got me thinking.

I don't know.

Tyler Locker, Calvin Ridley, who's the number three?

Chad, who's the number three?

Somebody tell me, who's the number three in

number three, the number third wide receiver?

Van Jefferson.

Okay, okay.

Van Sala.

Van was with the Rams.

Yes.

He was with Pittsburgh.

Where was he last year?

Yeah, I said since he first.

I said since he first

with Pittsburgh last year, Ocho.

Yeah, Cam.

Yo, look,

I appreciate you pumping up your squad, but y'all not top five.

I'm not even sure y'all top 10.

When we really get down to it and we start

naming receiving cards, Ocho.

I'm not sure they're top 10.

Hey,

I know one thing.

Calvin really is that boy.

But it's more than to make a to make a receiving core.

It's more than one.

The Nevada Supreme Court has ruled in favor of former head raiders, head coach, John Gruden, in his appeal against the NFL.

Gruden will get discovery and a day in court alleging that Commissioner Roger Goodell and the NFL improperly leaked his email leading to his firing.

Yeah.

And hey, that's a now that that's another one that's going to be interesting.

That's another one that's going to be interesting.

Well, you can't appeal.

Now,

they might appeal this to the Supreme Court.

Right.

They might supreme, because the Nevada Supreme Court said, nah, no, no, no.

He gets discord.

He gets discourse.

Because, ocho, you got to realize there's $70 million at stake.

He had a 10-year, $100 million deal.

They fired him.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Well, that's guaranteed, though.

You know, when coaches get, when coaches...

They didn't pay him because they

cause.

He got fired for cause.

So is there a probable cause in getting fired?

And that's like a player getting in trouble.

Conduct gets him into the team.

We can take that money back.

Okay.

I didn't know that part.

Yes.

I didn't know that part.

Okay.

Okay.

So would I be be surprised if

they went all the way to the Supreme Court?

Yes, sir.

I absolutely would not.

The NFL doesn't like to take L's.

Right.

Because remember, you take one, then everybody else feels like, we got him vulnerable, we got him weak, we can jump on.

Look how big the giraffe feels.

All it takes is for one lion

to weigh him down, and then there come the rest.

Everybody else.

That's how they get the, unless they kept it, catch it napping.

Every once in a while, they'll

catch one napping he don't let it too get too late in the day yeah and uh he's still resting and they catch him but for the most part one of those big males a jump on his back yeah it's a wrap that's 400 pounds and he's like hey he can't support that and here he comes yeah but uh look

the nfl they've made it very abundantly clear in the uh the appellate court against uh brian flores they're going to appeal i can see them appealing this all the way to the supreme court he's still he's still he's still the defensive coordinator in Minnesota.

Okay.

Yeah, he absolutely is.

Okay.

After another joint practice fight between the Ravens and the Commanders, the Ravens issued this statement.

Recognizing the logistical challenges with our teams' previous game schedule on different days and the added strain on players heading into a short week, the Ravens and Commanders are mutually agreed to no longer hold joint practices next week.

Instead, we'll concentrate on preparing for the upcoming preseason matchup.

Ocho?

Yeah.

Damn.

yeah i like it i like it i mean it is cool but at at times you get tired of going against yourself at times you get you get tired of going against yourself the funny thing about it is the joint practices they're going to be scuffles onk there have been scuffles in every joint practice every season back the date when i was playing i'm sure there were scuffles oh you said you guys didn't have joint practices but hell

no we did we did oh you did oh but hell if it wasn't a joint practice hell you'd be scuffling against each other get it all out your system now one thing we haven't seen in a very long time, except a few instances, is us as players actually fighting in a game.

Now, hell no, that costs you money.

There are a few instances.

They don't play.

I remember one time.

I can only count three.

I can't remember the receiver's name.

Chad, you could probably help me out.

The receiver who got upset at CJ, CJ Gardner Johnson.

That part of the game.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

And punched him in the face?

Yes, yes.

And like when the play was over, he got the receiver.

And then I remember Odell and Josh Norman.

Yes.

Now that that was and the most prevalent and consistent of battles was Mike Evans and Marshawn Lattimore.

I think Steve Steve Smith got into it with a few people back and forth, but nothing that really came to blows like the ones I just mentioned.

Right.

And I cannot forget AJ Green and Jalen Ramsey.

Yep.

And Andre Johnson.

Yeah.

And Courtland.

Courtland Finnegan.

Courtney Finnegan.

And

classic.

A Tib Khaleb.

Atib, wait, how you say it?

Akeeb.

Akeeb.

Akeeb Thalib and Michael Crabtree.

Outside of that, I mean, that's it.

It happens very, very, very, very, very, it doesn't happen often, but it does happen.

Normally, but there's a culmination, there's a buildup to it.

Yeah.

This is something that happens over years.

Yes.

It ain't just one game.

It's a history.

It's a pattern.

Right.

And it's like, okay,

enough is enough.

Because Dre told us, he's like, man, he had been doing this stuff for some years.

And it just built up.

And it just that day, like, you know what?

I'm finna put my foot down.

Actually, I'm finna put my foot in his ass.

And so it was a buildup.

But you know, when you in joint practice, you got close proximity because when you fly in, you got flying to BWI, Baltimore, Washington International Airport.

It's 50, 60 miles.

Right.

If that.

So, you know, the close proximity, you know, yada, yada, yada.

Everybody say we the toughest, we the baddest.

And we get it.

Right.

I just, for me, I didn't have that kind of time because I was exerting all my energy and practice.

I ain't got time to be fighting.

Look, hey, how are we doing this?

We're doing it snap the whistle or snap the after the whistle.

I just need to know so that way, hey, I'm clear on how you play it so I can play just like that.

And I, hey, we're not finna do no shoving.

So, how we doing?

Are we protecting each other?

Am I going to throw your ass over the pile?

Or what we do with?

I just need to know.

Because I can do it any kind of way.

I'm going to make sure, you know, the one thing, hey, karma's got a got a lot better.

Karma used to take years.

Sometimes karma instant.

Oh, yeah, most definitely.

Like instacar, you know, you're just like, dang, I don't know how I'm gonna get this.

I gotta go to the grocery store.

You can order now.

You can instacar stuff, I guess.

Oh, yeah, most definitely.

And they'll bring you exactly what now.

Sometimes they bring it to you.

Yeah, most definitely.

But

I guess

the Ravens and

the

Commanders, they had a joint practice.

They were having joint practice and they've just been fighting her.

Damn, yeah.

I saw some footage on Twitter today where it was a big scuffle.

I'm assuming they used something maybe from last year

because I haven't seen any scuffles of recent.

But I mean, this is smaller than the coaches.

You know, prepare for the game, prepare for.

Because the last thing you want to do is get somebody hurt, OJ.

Yeah, most definitely.

Most definitely.

You get somebody hurt.

Because then somebody gets hurt.

And if it's a key player,

ain't going to be no more practicing.

Yeah, at all.

We fight every snap, we fighting.

Yeah, I like it.

I like it.

You know, look, look, I get it because a lot of times, because you know, we do a nine-on-seven,

the DBs and wide receivers doing one-on-one.

Hey, man, hey, who winning?

Y'all got them?

Right.

We killing these fools down here.

Yeah.

And that's what I'm saying.

Hey, listen, that's what we got from the Titans, the Titans and Falcons.

They're joint practice.

They going at it back and forth.

Because one Tennessee player said, okay, they got us us today, but we're going to get their ass tomorrow.

Exactly.

That's what mindset.

At the end of the day, it's all about competing.

It's all about competing.

Those that have already made the team, you want to make sure you look good and be able to put on a show in that joint practice and let them know I'm still him, whoever it is.

And if you're not him, I'm trying to make a name for myself right here until I get to do it on Sundays at one o'clock.

If I'm not him, I'm trying to be him.

But in the meantime, OJo, you're talking about we're going to get the ass back tomorrow.

Coach ain't trying to hear that.

He going to curse me out for the next two hours and meeting.

Right, right, right, right.

So I got to hear his mouth.

First of all, I had to hear your mouth, how y'all did us on the practice field.

And then I got to go to meetings, gonna get it from Mike.

I'm gonna get it from the OC.

I'm gonna get it from my position coach.

Nah, bro, you're not finna do that.

And now, at one point in time, now we might get as a team because I can't control everybody.

I'm just one of 11.

But when it comes to my one-on-one matchup, Coach ain't gonna do nothing but pat me on my back and say, good job, son.

I need that.

I promise you that.

I need that.

Listen, they love you.

Your Your coach is going to be your coach, gonna be needy, gonna have puts in your butt.

Absolutely, not mine.

Absolutely.

Listen, they call it a team game, huh?

Yes, they call it a team game.

They say it functions well, it functions well when you play as a team.

But what people fail to realize is when you break it down,

all it is is 11 players, 11 individual matchups, 11 individual matchups.

And when each one of you wins that matchup,

it works wonders.

It works wonders.

But the funny thing about it is sometimes there are weaknesses in that 11, week to week.

There's always a weakness somewhere.

Yes.

So, coaches, that's where coaches come to play.

I know what this player does well.

I know what he doesn't do well.

It's a chess match between coordinators on Sundays.

How do I hide the weaknesses and put certain players in position to make plays?

Right.

But it's even, even, even in

joint practice, it's scripted because they want to look at certain they want to look at certain formations against certain defenses.

You want to see certain defenses against certain formations.

So everybody's trying to do everybody a favor.

Now we done go, okay.

Hey, 907, hey, good solid thud, pad on pad, square up.

Just let me know.

Hey, you go across the middle.

Hey, guys are going to put pads on you.

Now they're not going to take you to the ground, but be prepared for a collision.

Yeah, get yourself used to it.

I'm cool with that.

Now, if if they done told us one thing and all of a sudden you want to be a hero, okay, don't worry about it.

I'll get you back.

Yeah, it changes everything.

You're damn right it does because you're not finna get me and then go over to the sideline and slap hand and slap high fives.

Don't worry about it.

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