BEST OF NFL Preseason Week 3 Part 2: Jaxson Dart Ready to Start?! + Packers DL Rashan Gary joins the show

Speaker 1 is Sophie Cunningham from Show Me Something.

Speaker 3 Do you know the symptoms of moderate to severe obstructive sleep apnea or OSA in adults with obesity?

Speaker 6 They may be happening to you without you knowing.

Speaker 3 If anyone has ever said you snored loudly or if you spend your days fighting off excessive tiredness, irritability, and concentration issues, it may be due to OSA.

Speaker 7 OSA is a serious condition where your airway partially or completely collapses during sleep, which may cause breathing interruptions and oxygen deprivation.

Speaker 12 Learn more at don'tsleep on osa.com.

Speaker 5 This information is provided by Lilly, a medicine company.

Speaker 14 Hey, I'm Lindsay.

Speaker 15 Hydrodonitis superativa, HS, caused bumps and abscesses that made me feel embarrassed. I talked to my dermatologist and started a treatment that works for me, Cosentix.
I found relief.

Speaker 16 Cosentix secukinumab is prescribed for adults with moderate to severe hydrodonitis suprativa, HS. Don't use if allergic to COSENTIX.
Get checked for TB before starting.

Speaker 16 Increased risk of infections and lowered ability to fight them may occur, like TB or other serious bacterial, fungal, or viral infections. Some were fatal.

Speaker 16 Tell your doctor if you have an infection or symptoms, like fevers, sweats, chills, muscle aches, or cough, had a vaccine or plan to, or if IBD symptoms develop or worsen.

Speaker 16 Serious allergic reactions and severe eczema-like skin reactions may occur. Learn more at 1-844-COSENTIX or COSENTIX.com.

Speaker 15 You're stronger than HS. Ask your dermatologist about Cosentix.

Speaker 17 If you're a custodial supervisor at a local high school, you know that cleanliness is key and that the best place to get cleaning supplies is from Granger.

Speaker 17 Granger helps you stay fully stocked on the products you trust, from paper towels and disinfectants to floor scrubbers.

Speaker 17 Plus, you can rely on Granger for easy reordering so you never run out of what you need. Call 1-800GRANGER, clickgranger.com, or just stop by.
Granger for the ones who get it done.

Speaker 18 Morning, this product contains nicotine. Nicotine is an addictive chemical.

Speaker 20 Hey, listener, Velo Plus is the new pillowy soft nicotine pouch with an intense taste experience in three, six, and nine milligram strengths. Get your taste buds a tingling.

Speaker 20 Register at VLO.com, that's V-E-L-O.com, and save $3 on a can today.

Speaker 18 Underage sale prohibited. Velo Plus is an artificially tobacco-flavored synthetic nicotine punch products.
Website and offers restricted to age 21 plus. Copyright 2025, MBI.

Speaker 21 Patriots head coach Mike Grable was asked about a comment on Jalen Pope, who will require season injury shoulder surgery. Let's listen to what Vabel Grable's response was.

Speaker 21 Report today that Jalen Pope will have to have seasoned head and shoulder surgery. Can you add anything to that? No.

Speaker 22 I don't know, other than I'd like to find out where some of these come from.

Speaker 22 You know, some of these rats around here, so we'll figure that out.

Speaker 21 You see, hey, now we see everybody. Who said that? Who said that?

Speaker 21 They don't just be making this stuff up. I know y'all be trying to name your source, name your source, name your source.
Jordan.

Speaker 21 Nah,

Speaker 21 they don't make that up.

Speaker 23 Right.

Speaker 21 Owners, head coaches, general managers, player personnel, position coaches, players. That's how Adam Schefter stays in business.
That's how Sean's stay in business.

Speaker 21 The agents, that's how they get that information. Y'all get mad.

Speaker 21 Y'all get mad. Y'all don't get mad at the people for telling them.
Y'all get mad at Schefter and Sean for reporting it.

Speaker 23 Oh, the first thing they always say, especially the fans, state your source.

Speaker 23 State your source. Well, who said it?

Speaker 23 Well, duh. If they stated they source, they would never be able to get information.

Speaker 21 You're done. So just go ahead and turn your just go ahead and turn your pen and say, hey, hey, ESPN, I'm done.
I'm no longer in business of doing that.

Speaker 23 Yeah.

Speaker 21 You heard what he said. So now, chat, ain't nothing wrong with it.
Now you heard what he said. He would like to know who the rat is.

Speaker 21 So somebody told a reporter because the reporter stood up there point blank and asking about season ending or shoulder surgery.

Speaker 23 That he should know about.

Speaker 23 The reporter should know about that.

Speaker 21 The mere fact they be reporting. Now, I'm not saying that someone, but like

Speaker 21 when Chef did them be coming, nine times out of ten, Ocho, oh, they got that from somewhere.

Speaker 23 Yeah.

Speaker 21 They got that from somewhere.

Speaker 23 A close source.

Speaker 21 Yes.

Speaker 21 People around the league. No, people in the league.
They don't round the league. They ain't around it.
They in it.

Speaker 23 Somebody talking.

Speaker 21 Sources in the NFL.

Speaker 21 The league office.

Speaker 21 That's just the way it works.

Speaker 21 You know what's funny, Tuong?

Speaker 23 I was reading some comments about some of the stuff we talked about last night with the Shador.

Speaker 23 I'm not going back on the Shador thing right now. I'm just saying.

Speaker 23 And some of the comments throughout today

Speaker 23 are people on my timeline reacting to what we're saying. and what ED said, what Eric Davidson said.

Speaker 23 And people like, oh, that's impossible. Why would the NFL care? I mean,

Speaker 23 they come up with all these different solutions.

Speaker 23 And it goes back to me in people underestimating how powerful the NFL is in general, how they just see it as just a football game, and how they don't understand that the shield

Speaker 23 is one that remind people.

Speaker 23 Let me say this again slowly. The shield in the NFL is one that will remind people in any way, shape, shape form or fashion nothing

Speaker 23 will be bigger than our program absolutely

Speaker 23 nothing

Speaker 23 will be bigger than our program i i didn't people that they're so blind to it and don't understand the power that those individuals as a whole possess it's it's ridiculous even when i was playing huh

Speaker 23 let me let me joe let me tell you let me tell you something joe huh

Speaker 23 Even when I was playing, I understood the power that be of the shield. So I understood, I know I can play a little bit.

Speaker 21 But not too much. Joe.

Speaker 23 I knew I could play around a little bit. Chat, y'all stay with me.
But I understood what lines not to cross.

Speaker 23 Unk, I understood the game very early. I understood my time in the NFL.
It won't be that long. I have a small window of opportunity to have some fun.

Speaker 23 to make some money, but there's certain lines that cannot cross because at some point the long run i'm gonna have to cross that bridge again

Speaker 21 color in between the lines oh joe color in between the lines

Speaker 21 oh yeah yeah

Speaker 23 hey joe joe listen joe let me tell you something how well i'm at it playing the game uh and joe i can say the chat stay with me real quick some of the things i'm got some of the things i have going on got going on right now uh all these goddamn jobs and all these goddamn opportunities

Speaker 23 there's certain buttons that are being pushed behind closed doors that you can't see That's allowing people to, Joe. Come on, Joe.

Speaker 23 There's certain buttons being pushed behind closed doors.

Speaker 23 Man, come on, man. Hey, no, no, no, no.
Oh, Joe. I feel you.

Speaker 23 I'm going to make a start.

Speaker 23 Hey, I understand. I understand, man.
Listen.

Speaker 23 Hey, it's, I understand about the buttons being pushed behind closed doors. There's people working for you, and you don't even know it.

Speaker 23 Well, you don't, don't, don't even know it.

Speaker 21 You don't burn no bridges.

Speaker 21 You can't. Everybody talking about do this and do that, and I'd have did this and I'd have did that.
Yeah. Okay.

Speaker 21 You leave like you came. You came with your dignity.
You leave. All that yelling and screaming.
Hey, nobody was harmed in the making of that movie.

Speaker 21 But at the end of the day.

Speaker 21 There's been speculation that Polk was going to be cut or trade candidate with all 32 teams needing a set 53-man roster by Forb Eastern on August the 26th.

Speaker 21 Who would benefit from leaking the injury of a player more than the player himself who may not want to be leave or traded? Well,

Speaker 21 you can't trade a player if he's cut. I mean, if he's injured, you have to offer him an injury settlement.

Speaker 21 So he's straight.

Speaker 23 So they can't, they can't trade him.

Speaker 21 No, you can't cut an injury. You have to offer him an injury settlement.
Right.

Speaker 23 I know you can't do it in basketball.

Speaker 23 I ain't know how football works.

Speaker 23 But we've seen players get injured. I could have swore I saw stuff where players that got injured, they get cut right away, and especially in training camp.

Speaker 23 I could have sworn that they were cutting out. They get a settlement.

Speaker 23 Oh, okay, okay. Well, at least the reports could say a seven was received that a player was cut.

Speaker 23 Okay, okay, okay.

Speaker 21 You get an injury settlement.

Speaker 25 Hey, I have a question.

Speaker 23 Is there a certain amount, a set amount for

Speaker 21 however long is it going to, I mean,

Speaker 21 that's something you, the agent would be, we'd work out probably the length of time if it's gone for the season. You're like, right.

Speaker 21 No, I want my money.

Speaker 23 Wait, what? Maybe what?

Speaker 21 A million?

Speaker 21 I think he's like a second-year player, right?

Speaker 21 He's a second-year player. So

Speaker 21 what's his $800,000, a million dollars?

Speaker 21 They're like, okay, they probably eat that, OJo.

Speaker 23 Yeah.

Speaker 26 Right. Okay, okay, okay, okay.

Speaker 21 It's when you get into the situation like a Christian Wilkins. You're getting guys making $13, $15, $20,000.
Now it becomes a problem.

Speaker 21 Or Joey, in basketball, Joe, they do what they call a buyout. Okay, I'll give you 85%.
I'll give you 90% of your money.

Speaker 23 Right, right.

Speaker 23 They don't do that in football.

Speaker 21 Hell no.

Speaker 23 Hold on. They cut you.

Speaker 21 They say you're about to wait. Yeah, they get you up out of there.
Unless you got

Speaker 21 like, like Russ. The Broncos cut Russ.
They say, okay, they gave Russ all his money.

Speaker 21 Remember, because,

Speaker 21 but no, not a lot of people have like that guaranteed big guaranteed money.

Speaker 21 Yeah, if you got guaranteed money, you don't care. Russ had 38 million, what, 30-something, 35, 36 million coming from the Broncos.
So it wasn't nothing to go to take the 2 million from the Steelers.

Speaker 21 I got 40 million. I don't care

Speaker 21 how it's divided out. I got it coming.
But a lot of guys ain't got that guaranteed money.

Speaker 21 So

Speaker 23 that's, just, you know, football is a gladiator sport, man.

Speaker 21 Yeah.

Speaker 23 It's, you know, every play could be damn near a career-ending play.

Speaker 21 Absolutely.

Speaker 23 Hey, that's a Joe. That's why you got to be built like this.

Speaker 23 You've been in the gym, huh?

Speaker 23 Hey, hey, hey.

Speaker 23 Let me pick a bone with him real quick. Go ahead.
Man, OJo, I watched that celebrity game. And

Speaker 23 I was at that like broadband. Hold on, hold on, hold on.
I expected, I didn't didn't expect for you to score 30, but I expected at least a double, double, 10 points, 10 rebounds.

Speaker 23 Hey, hey, Joe, hey, listen to me, Joe. Listen to me, Joe.
I really wasn't supposed to say this. I wasn't supposed to say this out loud, but I'm going to say it anyway.

Speaker 23 Hey, Hezy Guy, right?

Speaker 23 I've seen it. Hezzy Guy had a bet.

Speaker 23 He had a bet.

Speaker 23 Stay with me. Stay with me real quick, Joe.
He had a bet, right, with Gilly.

Speaker 23 Gilly was supposed to win MVP again.

Speaker 23 I say, Hezzy, well, I'm going to just shoot. I'm gonna, I'm gonna get, I'm gonna just give you the ball.
You just go to work and do what you need to do. Hey, listen.

Speaker 23 I seen he was ultra-aggressive. I seen that.

Speaker 23 No, no, no. Hey, did you see the first? Hey, Joe, soon as he got the ball,

Speaker 23 what did he do? He had it on his mind. He had to get it off his chest.
But listen, he didn't make every shot.

Speaker 23 I expect for you, you probably most athletic dude out there. I was expecting you to get the rebounds.

Speaker 23 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I probably,

Speaker 21 but Joe,

Speaker 21 he got what he's known for. He's known for a double single.

Speaker 23 Nah, nah. Hey, hold on, hold on, hold on.

Speaker 23 Hey, Joe,

Speaker 23 Joe, I did. I did what I was supposed to do to make sure my team got my win.
I was at that rebound out for a facilitated like magic. Ocho, you, hey, oh, what's up? You a Johnson, man.

Speaker 23 You ain't, hey, you a Johnson, boy. You hear me?

Speaker 23 Yeah, you're supposed to go out there and show up and show out. All right.
I got you.

Speaker 23 Hey, Joe, Joe, next year?

Speaker 21 They ain't inviting you back, oh, Joe.

Speaker 21 They did not invite you back.

Speaker 23 Oh, no. Oh, they ready.
Oh, they, oh, they, they definitely definitely bring me back.

Speaker 23 Because you ain't, hey, listen, you ain't never seen no defense like that.

Speaker 23 I was out there.

Speaker 23 Hey, I was like Pat Beverly and all that stuff.

Speaker 23 I've never been out there.

Speaker 23 But anywho,

Speaker 21 I don't know, Ocho. Joe say, you have a double single.
I heard a triple double. I ain't never heard of no double single.

Speaker 23 Hey, hold on. Hold on.
Hey, Eric,

Speaker 23 I did what I was supposed to do. I told you I was like Rodman out there.

Speaker 21 The comedian? Rodman?

Speaker 21 No, Rod. No, Rodman.

Speaker 23 Hey, hey, what's dude that played for the Spurs that was really good at defense? Bruce Lauren, right?

Speaker 23 Yeah. Oh, that's

Speaker 21 where you in? Alvin Robertson was before him.

Speaker 23 Alvin Roberts.

Speaker 23 He don't know nothing about him.

Speaker 21 Was he good?

Speaker 21 He was an outstanding. He got a quadruple double.
He got a, yeah, he was good. He's a defensive player.
Hell yeah. He was good.

Speaker 23 Hold on, hold on. He was like Gary Payton defense, like that kind of good?

Speaker 23 Right.

Speaker 21 yeah it was good

Speaker 23 all right all right all right all right all right joe i know i i joe i let you down joe i got you though i joke

Speaker 21 listen just one game oh you coming back next year

Speaker 23 i'm coming back every year hold on hold on okay oh joe y'all see the two teams in the championship game right yeah yeah you ain't football made a joke with a 30 burger in the back pocket stop playing with me

Speaker 23 come on now hey joe what's up hey i asked i asked uncle question too, right?

Speaker 23 You know, Joe, I don't, let me, let me, let me chat. Y'all stay with me real quick, chat.

Speaker 23 I am new to basketball, Joe.

Speaker 23 Watching the game, understanding the game, understanding the plays and the, just the screens and just all that three-level score.

Speaker 23 Everything, Joe. I am soccer, football, tennis, boxing.
I told I can see here and talk about that for hours.

Speaker 23 So basketball being new to me in general, so being up close, my first game, Joe, in a long time was going to see

Speaker 23 last year, maybe the year before last, watching the Philly game, sitting courtside and watching MB go for seven. I don't know.
What's that last year? You were at that game?

Speaker 23 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because

Speaker 23 I was with Doug. So I went to that game.
And before that.

Speaker 23 I went to a heat game maybe once every three years.

Speaker 23 So now

Speaker 23 I'm into basketball. I ain't got no choice.
I got to talk it. I got to watch it.

Speaker 23 So now I'm really getting into it. So I look at them boys play in the three on three and I'm like, I came on the show that night with Uncle.

Speaker 23 I'm like, well, God damn, Uncle, how the hell Lance Stevenson ain't playing? How the hell Michael Beast is not in the league? And so it's because it's new to me and me not understanding age.

Speaker 23 That what I'm watching, those dudes are really good, but the people that's playing in NBA right now are that much better.

Speaker 21 and you got and and when you're in the league there's a there's a way in which you behave absolutely right it's something okay okay so so basically

Speaker 23 hey hey hey Joe them boy was good now they can play OJo they can play they can play oh man yeah I mean Lance Stevenson played like a decade he played like 10 11 years yeah he could yeah

Speaker 23 hey

Speaker 23 all right that nigga Lance was taking people off the dribble

Speaker 23 man Beasley man man yeah you you'd have seen them boys play this my first time seeing them up close it's one thing you know the tv tv don't do no justice right you don't do no justice how you six nine moving like that man what we doing now you can uh the boys got some game man you know what and it wouldn't it wouldn't have been so bad ojo if you wouldn't have been on here hollering about you was going to score 30 points i think that's where a chat if i ain't mistake i think that's where chat was like man what ojo talking about you finna score 30 so we was looking we was looking for a

Speaker 21 You were looking for you to come. I was looking, I was hoping for two points.
I said, Pete just get on, I just wanted him on the scores. I just wanted him in the book, that's all.

Speaker 21 I was hoping for two points, Joe.

Speaker 23 But, Joe, this, this is what you this is what you have to understand when it comes to me, Joe.

Speaker 23 You know, me, and you know what I enjoy, you know what I love, you know what I'm passionate about, and you know what, you know what? I play consistently away from the game of football.

Speaker 23 You know, if it was a soccer game, I would have had 100 goals.

Speaker 21 If it was 10, you ain't scored no, you ain't scored no goals.

Speaker 23 Come on, Joe.

Speaker 23 Don't do that. Don't do that.
That's the one thing I can actually do better than goddamn football. Joe,

Speaker 23 I don't play basketball. That's why I just beat that.

Speaker 23 That's why they beat you big cap on night camp.

Speaker 23 Oh, yeah, yeah. Wait with a cut of basketball.
That's not a bad thing. That's not just basketball.
Not just basketball. Just big cap.

Speaker 21 Nah, I'll be back.

Speaker 27 Incoming with the old gays. It's Jessé, Bill, Robert, and Mick with a special bonus episode of Silver Linings with the Old Gays.

Speaker 27 No matter what time of year it is, we know it's important to uplift the spirit of pride, which is relatively easy when Palm Springs celebrates in November.

Speaker 28 The first pride I went to, it made me feel like I was really part of something.

Speaker 28 People being so joyous in the streets and being themselves.

Speaker 29 We've really come a long way, and I realize I am standing on the shoulders of so many millions of queer people who sacrificed their lives for what we have today.

Speaker 27 Silver Linings with the Old Days is brought to you in partnership with iHeart's Ruby Studio and Viv Healthcare. Listen on the iHeart radio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

Speaker 1 This is Sophie Cunningham from Show Me Something.

Speaker 3 Do you know the symptoms of moderate to severe obstructive sleep apnea or OSA in adults with obesity?

Speaker 6 They may be happening to you without you knowing.

Speaker 3 If anyone has ever said you snored loudly or if you spend your days fighting off excessive tiredness, irritability, and concentration issues, it may be due to OSA.

Speaker 7 OSA is a serious condition where your airway partially or completely collapses during sleep, which may cause breathing breathing interruptions and oxygen deprivation.

Speaker 12 Learn more at don'tsleeponosa.com.

Speaker 5 This information is provided by Lilly, a medicine company.

Speaker 25 Hi, I'm Martine Hackett, host of Untold Stories, Life with a Severe Autoimmune Condition, a production from Ruby Studio in partnership with Argenix.

Speaker 25 This season, we're sharing powerful stories of resilience from people living with MG and CIDP.

Speaker 25 Our hope is to inspire, educate, and remind each other that even in the toughest moments, we're not alone. We'll hear from people like Corbin Whittington.

Speaker 25 After being diagnosed with both CIDP and dilated cardiomyopathy, he found incredible strength through community.

Speaker 30 So when we talk community, we're talking about an entire ecosystem surrounding this condition, including, of course, the patients at the center, that are all trying to live life in the moment, live life for the future, but then also also create a new future.

Speaker 25 Listen to Untold Stories: Life with a Severe Autoimmune Condition on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Speaker 19 Hello, hello, I'm Malcolm Gladwell, host of the podcast Smart Talks with IBM.

Speaker 19 I recently sat down with IBM's chairman and CEO, Arvind Krishna, and I asked him, How can companies use AI to its fullest potential to create smarter business?

Speaker 24 My one advice to them: pick areas you can scale. Don't pick the shiny little toys on the side.

Speaker 24 For example,

Speaker 24 if anybody has more than

Speaker 24 10% of what they had for customer service 10 years ago, they're already five years behind.

Speaker 24 If anybody is not using AI to make their developers who write software 30% more productive today with the goal of being 70% more productive.

Speaker 21 Yeah.

Speaker 24 So we are not asking our clients to be the first experiment on it. We say you can leverage what we did.

Speaker 24 We're happy to bring out all our learnings, including what needs to change in the process, because the biggest change is not technology, it's getting people to accept that there's a different way to do things.

Speaker 19 To listen to the full conversation, visit ibm.com/slash smart talks.

Speaker 21 Giants, OJo, jump right into it. The Giants beat the Patriots.
Jackson Dart shined in his rookie preseason.

Speaker 21 His numbers across all three weeks, he was 32 of 47, 372 yards, four total touchdowns, zero interceptions. Ocho, I told you, he's going to be starting sooner than you think.

Speaker 21 He's going to learn one thing. What is that?

Speaker 21 Get your ass down. Them guys, you try AAA.
They cover them guys heavy. And they fight.
He's going to learn fast.

Speaker 23 He's going to learn very fast.

Speaker 23 You have to understand, you say he's going to start sooner, rather sooner than later. And

Speaker 23 that's to say, if Russell Wilson doesn't play well, but I think Russell Wilson is going to be in great command of that offense, especially with the weapons he has around him.

Speaker 23 Listen, you put that ball in Uno's hands, everything's going to be fine. Put that ball in one's hands, everything ain't going to be fine.

Speaker 23 I don't think there's much pressure on Russell Wilson. And

Speaker 23 if they're gonna give him the job, I think Russell Wilson makes it through this season and Jackson Darr starts next year.

Speaker 23 You don't think so?

Speaker 21 No.

Speaker 21 Not the way this rookie played this preseason. And Ocho, you see the way he moving the pocket.
You see the throws that he's making. He nice.
He nice.

Speaker 21 He is. And what that you and I go do, we gonna give credit where it's due now.
If you play bad, we're gonna say you play bad.

Speaker 21 But if, hey, but if you play good, we're gonna say, hey, man, get your popcorn, watch this kid.

Speaker 21 I mean, his command of the offense, he's, I mean, the his ability to push the ball down the field, his ability, he's scrambling, and then all of a sudden, he's like, oh, I forgot about my black back, wham, throws it to the back.

Speaker 21 I said,

Speaker 21 you should just, you show up on a rookie. Rookies don't normally play like that.
He plays with a lot of points. He played a big time arm.
He'll throw push the ball.

Speaker 21 I like guys that push the ball down the field. All that short fishing, you ain't gonna catch no big fish fish around the edge.
The big fish are outdid.

Speaker 23 Yeah, most of the time, especially for the rookies, you know, to get themselves in rhythm, get themselves in rhythm, they'll start short just to build just to get that confidence going as opposed to taking it taking a deep shot.

Speaker 23 I remember, um, I think what was it? Maybe last week. It might have been last week.
It was third. It was third and shorter.

Speaker 23 Maybe, maybe they went for it on fourth down, and he threw the goddamn deep ball instead of throwing it short for a touchdown.

Speaker 21 And who else, guess what, Ocho? Who Who else knows that you're a rookie that you're probably not going to push that ball downfield early and you're going to stay around the shore, Decoordinators?

Speaker 21 And they're telling their corner, they're telling the crowd.

Speaker 21 Yep.

Speaker 21 Because

Speaker 21 they think it like you think it. Yeah.

Speaker 21 Coach, first of all, coach ain't going to call anything. He doesn't want to get too exotic.
He wants to let him warm up.

Speaker 21 We're going to let him throw a smoke, let him throw an owl, let him throw a slant.

Speaker 21 Sit.

Speaker 21 Hey.

Speaker 21 itch.

Speaker 21 They go get that ball.

Speaker 21 But no,

Speaker 21 I love what I've seen. I don't want to get,

Speaker 21 but I think Brian Dayball and that staff is very pleased with the production that Jackson Dart displayed in the preseason. How can you not?

Speaker 21 Four total touchdowns, no picks, basically clean look. Like you said, Ocho, I can teach you that, son.
Get your ass down. Get down or get out of bounds.
You got two choices.

Speaker 21 You can get down or you can get your ass out of bounds. One or the other.

Speaker 21 Or

Speaker 21 we're going to come put your ass on the car and you're going to go in the tent. Because you see what happened? What happened, Ocho? They came and got him and they took his ass to the tent.

Speaker 21 But look, listen,

Speaker 23 based on his play this preseason, Bengals, I'm talking about Bengals. I'm just thinking about my damn Bengals.
Giants fan, Giants organization.

Speaker 23 The his teammates, they have to be very pleased, very obvious

Speaker 23 what you saw from Jackson Thor.

Speaker 23 thorough but also i want to be very cautious now very cautious now this is you got to understand who he was going against now when the regular season starts it's a different ball game out there huh

Speaker 23 it's not gonna be sweet not gonna be uh goddamn too

Speaker 21 hey it's not gonna be uh they're gonna get ain't no vanilla they're gonna give you a lot hey they go hey oh cho they're gonna give you a lot of swirls and you go to basket robbins it ain't flavors it's coverages you're gonna get it ain't 31 flavors it's 31 coverage different ball game it's a different ball game.

Speaker 21 It is. It is.
It absolutely is. The intensity picks up.
The urgency picks up.

Speaker 23 The coaches,

Speaker 21 all that. Hey, the coaches, they explaining things to you in a nice, calm tone.
That is not the window.

Speaker 21 Hey, and that's what

Speaker 21 one of the coaches told me my rookie year, you know, we still cut.

Speaker 21 Just because it's the season, that don't mean you can't get cut.

Speaker 21 Sometimes, you know, sometimes guys relax, hold your, whoo, man maybe not a trading cap

Speaker 21 they'll cut week one all the way a all the way through to week 17 18 even hey i've seen guys get cut in the postseason be your day

Speaker 23 damn in the postseason

Speaker 21 well look here

Speaker 21 man we are a

Speaker 21 boy look here they don't play ocho look might

Speaker 21 you know what it might have been the like it might have not have been the postseason you know practice squad guy or something like that wasn't But obviously, but but I'm talking about bad guys late in the season.

Speaker 23 Oh, man, that's that's Mike Shannon had that play.

Speaker 21 It wasn't no loafing, it wasn't no walking. When he said, hey,

Speaker 21 I don't know how y'all did, Lojo, but when we changed drills,

Speaker 21 oh, you had to get a move on.

Speaker 23 Got a little pepper. Got to have a little pepper in your step, huh?

Speaker 21 Nobody walks but the mailman. That's why he doesn't make what you make.
You run to where you got to go.

Speaker 23 I like that.

Speaker 23 Okay. I like that.

Speaker 11 Okay.

Speaker 21 All right.

Speaker 21 Okay.

Speaker 21 Some people don't understand that. And that's no disrespect to the mailman.
Hey, you guys do an unbelievable job. We appreciate your service.

Speaker 21 Although you done kind of like with Amazon and all these other carriers. They dabbed it up put y'all out of business.
But

Speaker 21 this kid, Jackson Dart,

Speaker 21 I like what I'm seeing. Now, I'm like you, I want to see him against a real competition.

Speaker 23 Hey, when you go,

Speaker 23 where you gotta, you gotta make those alignments, those adjustments,

Speaker 23 yes, defenses. I mean, linemen are stunning,

Speaker 23 defense of disguising what they really want to do. And at the start,

Speaker 23 you might think it's, you might think it's cover one, you might think it's cover three, and all of a sudden they go, you go to, it goes to two.

Speaker 23 Oh, man, it's, it's, it's so that go they go to quarter they go to seven they go to six they go to six kick hey have have have you

Speaker 23 they go to cover five they're fried

Speaker 21 yep clouding it

Speaker 23 yeah so

Speaker 21 yeah oh them jokes be out there

Speaker 21 banjoing it banjo

Speaker 21 but i hey i was looking because you know i be look i'll be trying to look a because uh that was way they they be out there doing this right here that means they banjo and that means they're gonna cut they're gonna double somebody I'm like, it never really dawned on me that what the sick, you know.

Speaker 21 I'm just out there like, what the right, right, right.

Speaker 21 Or, you know, you see them do that locking it.

Speaker 21 Hey, so I just got a kid. I just got a kick out of that when people say, Hey, man, it don't matter.
It don't matter

Speaker 21 if you know what to do. The hell you say,

Speaker 21 you let me know y'all gonna be a couple.

Speaker 21 Let me know y'all gonna be in quarters, a single high safety, a six kick. The hell you say

Speaker 21 bad, please. But Tommy DeVito, Ocho, Tommy DeVito,

Speaker 21 17 of 20, Buck 93, three tubs.

Speaker 21 Jackson Dart came in 6-12, 81 yards, a tub. Jameis Winston came in 4-8.
Mop up 47. Listen,

Speaker 23 this might be the second team we talk about. A team carrying four quarterbacks.
This might be another team that might carry four.

Speaker 21 I don't think so.

Speaker 21 Because you know why?

Speaker 21 Because

Speaker 21 Jameis is making four million. Russ is making good money.
Russ is making how much money, Ash, 10, 15.

Speaker 21 See, it's not like Cleveland. Because what you call only making 5 million, Kenny Pickett's making what he's making, and then you got two rookies.

Speaker 23 So, so, what you, what you're saying? Well, what you saying? Who's the odd man out then?

Speaker 21 Oh, so he got one year, 10, 5,

Speaker 21 which is probably as much as

Speaker 21 Flacco and Pickett making together. And then you throw Jameis's 4 million a year, because I think he did two years, $9 million, so $4.5 million.

Speaker 21 So you're looking at $15 million between two quarterbacks.

Speaker 23 So who's the opposite?

Speaker 21 I don't think...

Speaker 21 You think they keep Tommy? Well, obviously, you know they're not getting rid of Jackson Darr. You think they keep Tommy DeVito?

Speaker 21 Or they release him and try to sign it back to the practice squad?

Speaker 23 Probably sign it back to the practice squad, but

Speaker 23 I see them doing the same thing that the Browns are probably going to do.

Speaker 23 For some reason, I just do. And then we talked about Jameis Winston.

Speaker 23 You heard personnel or

Speaker 23 was that the owner that came out and said, absolutely not. He's not going nowhere.

Speaker 23 I talked about James Winston.

Speaker 21 You're talking about Mary John Mary?

Speaker 23 Great locker room presence. Great team guy.

Speaker 23 I knew jameis won't go nowhere

Speaker 23 absolutely not but uh

Speaker 21 but 4210 you don't want to go out on the note like that but you know ocho you and i we talked about this earlier this week unfortunately

Speaker 21 a lot of kids dreams i say kids they're kids they're old enough to be my kids old enough to be they're young enough well let me take that back they're young enough to be our kids damn

Speaker 21 i'm pretty sure i'm I'm older than most of their moms and dads. But with that being said, a lot of these young men's dreams come to an end tonight.

Speaker 21 Some will get an opportunity to go be on a practice squad somewhere else. Some might get an opportunity to go to Canada, play in the UFL.

Speaker 21 But for a lot of them, Mocho, the realization that it is over.

Speaker 21 Something I've been doing since I was seven, eight years old, did it at the Pee Wee level, did it at the JV level, high school level, college level. My dreams and aspirations did not come to fruition.

Speaker 23 That's tough.

Speaker 21 Because this is probably the first time, Ocho,

Speaker 21 that someone has told these young men, you're not good enough.

Speaker 21 Think about it. They've always been the best.

Speaker 21 They were the best on their Pop Warner. They were best on their flag football team, their JV football team, their high school basketball, a football team, their college.

Speaker 21 And then

Speaker 21 it's a numbers game. You're not good enough.

Speaker 21 That's the realization of, oh, Joe, that's the realization of it. I mean,

Speaker 21 I'm not trying to be, Chad, I'm not trying to be dramatic because I know what it's like to be on pins and needles. That last game, that last preseason game.

Speaker 21 And your name is on the board to be released. Matter of fact.
My name was on the board to be released.

Speaker 23 Let me tell you. Let me tell you.
What about the last preseason game?

Speaker 23 i'm talking about what we were playing the last preseason game i remember i would i would be walking in and the person who did the cutting and letting players know as they come in the building was lippy lipping cotton i'm not i'm not i'm not i haven't i don't know if he's still with the bangles or not and i would i would you know i would always come in early after the preseason game and come in hit the cold tub hit the hot tub get my body back with you get my body back rejuvenated and fresh and i would see lippy standing there right right at the door and just thinking to myself, man.

Speaker 23 So he collecting the playbook and letting me know to go up and see the coach before the meetings even start. I'm like, man, that's tough, man.

Speaker 23 And then hard knocks, hard knocks, hard knocks made it a reality and allowing people to see

Speaker 23 people actually, you know, get cut and how fitness and how that side of it works.

Speaker 23 it's is is as heartbreaking as sad that it is it's the reality of the game.

Speaker 21 That's reality. We got to show you both sides.
You just see the plug guys making plays, scoring touchdowns, the camaraderie on the field and the meeting rooms and things like that.

Speaker 21 But there's another side to this, that somebody, some young man, men,

Speaker 21 their dreams,

Speaker 21 this dream, is not going to come true.

Speaker 21 And you have to reshift, refocus.

Speaker 21 A lot of it, you know, you're disciplined because you have to be somewhat disciplined to play football because you got, you know, you got study hall, you got when you work out, you got practice, when you got to be there for the plane ride, when you got to be there for the bus ride, how you have to dress.

Speaker 21 So there's a certain level of structure in a lot of these young men's lives. So it, you know, some, you know, a

Speaker 21 structure is. is not their strong suit because they do everything they can until the buck

Speaker 21 against it. But most of these men, they do have structure because you've kind of been in a structured environment for the better part of your life.

Speaker 21 And so it should be, you know, if you go back and go into the workforce, the actual nine to five,

Speaker 21 you know, you got to be to work at a certain time. You know, the task that you're asked to do.
You just go get it done.

Speaker 21 But that's the unfortunate side of playing a professional sport that everybody dreams of playing.

Speaker 21 And that's the thing, you know, for every Ocho Sinco and a Shannon Sharp or Sterling Sharp or somebody that came of the less than favorable or impoverished conditions.

Speaker 21 There are a lot of people that came from those same conditions that didn't get an opportunity to play in the NFL, Ocho,

Speaker 21 that got the opportunity that you and I got, and that was as far as they got was training camp.

Speaker 23 That's tough, man.

Speaker 23 It is. I think it's a good thing.
I think it's also a good thing for fans to be able to see

Speaker 23 the entire process, not just the finished product on Sundays. Actually, see what players have to go through.

Speaker 23 The sweat, the tears,

Speaker 23 the being on pins and needles, the pressure of having to go out there in the preseason, knowing that, okay, I have two or three games where I have to make a name for myself.

Speaker 23 If not here, maybe somewhere else. If I don't make it here, oh, that's tough.

Speaker 27 Incoming with the old gays. It's Jesse, Bill, Robert, and Mick with a special bonus episode of Silver Linings with the Old Gays.

Speaker 27 No matter what time of year it is, we know it's important to uplift the spirit of pride, which is relatively easy when Palm Springs celebrates in November.

Speaker 28 The first pride I went to, it made me feel like I was really part of something.

Speaker 28 People being so joyous in the streets and being themselves.

Speaker 29 We've really come a long way and I realize I am standing on the shoulders of so many millions of queer people who sacrificed their lives for what we have today.

Speaker 27 Silver Linings with the Old Days is brought to you in partnership with iHeart's Ruby Studio and Viv Healthcare. Listen on the iHeart radio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

Speaker 1 This is Sophie Cunningham from Show Me Something.

Speaker 3 Do you know the symptoms of moderate to severe obstructive sleep apnea or OSA in adults with obesity?

Speaker 6 They may be happening to you without you knowing.

Speaker 3 If anyone has ever said you snored loudly or if you spend your days fighting off excessive tiredness, irritability, and concentration issues, it may be due to OSA.

Speaker 7 OSA is a serious condition where your airway partially or completely collapses during sleep, which may cause breathing interruptions and oxygen deprivation.

Speaker 12 Learn more at don'tsleep on on osa.com.

Speaker 5 This information is provided by Lilly, a medicine company.

Speaker 25 Hi, I'm Martine Hackett, host of Untold Stories, Life with a Severe Autoimmune Condition, a production from Ruby Studio in partnership with Argenix.

Speaker 25 This season, we're sharing powerful stories of resilience from people living with MG and CIDP.

Speaker 25 Our hope is to inspire, educate, and remind each other that even in the toughest moments, we're not alone. We'll hear from people like Corbin Whittington.

Speaker 25 After being diagnosed with both CIDP and dilated cardiomyopathy, he found incredible strength through community.

Speaker 30 So when we talk community, we're talking about an entire ecosystem surrounding this condition, including, of course, the patients at the center that are all trying to live life in the moment, live life for the future, but then also create a new future.

Speaker 25 Listen to Untold Stories, Life with a Severe Autoimmune Condition on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Speaker 19 Hello, hello, I'm Malcolm Gladwell, host of the podcast Smart Talks with IBM.

Speaker 19 I recently sat down with IBM's chairman and CEO, Arvind Krishna, and I asked him how can companies use AI to its fullest potential to create smarter businesses?

Speaker 24 My one advice to them: pick areas you can scale. Don't pick the shiny little toys on the side.

Speaker 24 For example,

Speaker 24 if anybody has more than

Speaker 24 10% of what they had for customer service 10 years ago, they're already five years behind.

Speaker 24 If anybody is not using AI to make their developers who write software 30% more productive today with the goal of being 70% more productive,

Speaker 24 So we are not asking our clients to be the first experiment on it. We say, you can leverage what we did.

Speaker 24 We're happy to bring out all our learnings, including what needs to change in the process, because the biggest change is not technology.

Speaker 24 It's getting people to accept that there's a different way to do things.

Speaker 19 To listen to the full conversation, visit ibm.com slash smart talks.

Speaker 21 All right, joining us on the show now,

Speaker 21 we'll welcome in Pro Bowler. Last year, he's a Pro Bowler.
He's number 80 on this year's NFL top 100. You were 50 last year, Rashawn.

Speaker 21 Despite making the Pro Bowl last year, they have you down 30 spots.

Speaker 21 I want to know what is Rashawn Gary going to do to get back into that top 50, get back into that top 30, maybe even get up into the top 20.

Speaker 26 Well, y'all go and see in two weeks.

Speaker 23 You know, we got a great home opener.

Speaker 23 You know, against the Lions. Let's go.

Speaker 26 Yeah, you know, got great home opener, you you know, against the Lions, NFC, you know, rivalry. So it was a nice way to start the season.

Speaker 26 I just want my work to show.

Speaker 23 So, yeah, I've got a quick question for you. Camp is over now.

Speaker 23 Obviously, I'm sure you guys have a week to work on some things, Packers versus Packers, before you get into a game planning scheme for week one. How was camp for you? How's the body holding up?

Speaker 23 How do you feel? Are you going into camp healthy?

Speaker 23 I mean,

Speaker 23 oh, yeah, no, this is, it was, it's, yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 26 Uh, because I was just talking to, you know, my teammate Kenny about it. I'm like, you know, going into year seven, it's one of the, you know, the healthiest camps that I have.

Speaker 26 So, you know, I'm feeling good, you know, from OTAs all the way through now. I've been putting in a great body of work, and now it's just time to, you know, put it on display.

Speaker 23 Yes, sir.

Speaker 21 You guys don't play a game for another two weeks.

Speaker 21 Is Coach LaFleur going to give you guys

Speaker 21 some time off? Are you back on Monday or do you get Sunday? You get Monday. You guys are back in there Tuesday.

Speaker 21 Are you going to get a little time off before you have to hit it and start getting ready for the Lions in two weeks?

Speaker 26 Yeah, you know, we got a couple practices coming up next week, but, you know, we got the weekend off and then back to work on Sunday.

Speaker 21 Damn, y'all back to work on Sunday already. Damn, I figured Coach LaFleur would get y'all a couple of days off.
Y'all, you're like, well, damn, Cole, we had a

Speaker 21 good camp.

Speaker 21 The Packers, your defense. I mean, you mentioned Kenny Clark.
I'm assuming you're talking about Kenny Clark.

Speaker 21 Now you lost your cornerback, your all-pro cornerback.

Speaker 21 You released him, and he ends up going to Baltimore. How do you guys, because you guys have shown spots where you guys are dominant? I'm talking about dominant.

Speaker 21 You attack the quarterback, you stop the run, you turn the team over, you give your offense shortfields. How do you stay consistent in doing that, Rashawn?

Speaker 26 Yeah, just holding our standard. Everybody got through their 111.

Speaker 26 And throughout OTAs, especially, you know, being year two and, you know, a coach half system, it's been crazy watching everybody fly to the ball, tack the ball, and actually being on one accord, you know, talking about first, all the way up the fourth down, get back on track downs.

Speaker 26 We all on the same page, all speaking the same language. And, you know, it's been good seeing it.

Speaker 23 For you guys, especially the Packers, opening up with a game like this against the Lions is a good test for you guys defensively, obviously, whether it be on the ground, whether it be in the air, because you understand the dynamic and how special the Lions offense is.

Speaker 23 Even with Ben Johnson leaving, they still have all those weapons, you know, Jameer Gibbs and Montgomery, you know, the receivers on the outside, tight end.

Speaker 23 Your thought process going into it early so far, what is it that you think you guys need to do to win that game come week one from a defensive standpoint?

Speaker 23 I already know what you guys can do on offense. Defensively, can you be able to hold them? I'm not sure what the Lions finish when it comes to scoring, but you know they can put up points.

Speaker 26 Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 26 Just like I was saying, we've been doing a great job through OTAs and camp of being on the same page, speaking the same language, understanding what teams want to do to us, especially our offense in these last couple joint practices, really being on the same page to how these offensive teams want to attack us, understanding our weak points.

Speaker 26 And I'm saying when 1-11 know that, we understand how to protect it. So just basically being on the same page.

Speaker 26 And when it comes to, you know, that game right at three o'clock, we got to be locked in, focused and one occur how we've been and just having fun.

Speaker 23 Okay, one more question. One more question.

Speaker 21 Go ahead.

Speaker 23 I know know your team goals. You got team goals, obviously, from a defensive perspective, team goals offensive and decently.

Speaker 23 Obviously, the main goal, you want to be in San Francisco at the end of the season, first week of February. But personal goals, your personal goals yourself that you would want to achieve.

Speaker 23 Can you share those with us? You know, whatever it may be?

Speaker 26 Yeah, I could just show you my, you know, shit a little into my mindset, man. Just trying to be dominant, man.
I've been training in the hardest offseason. Really just trying to take over.

Speaker 26 like i said one through fourth downs man that's what i'm playing for i'm really just trying to show everybody you know how dominant i can be

Speaker 21 rashan

Speaker 21 you're the vet now there's no more aaron rodgers there is no more jahir alexander you're one of the old guards now so now how has your leaders leadership uh style changed because guess what you're one of the senior voices now Yeah, you know, it's been great, man.

Speaker 26 It's something that, you know, you always pray for and ask for. And, you know, it's crazy, you know, we got rookies coming in and talking about, I used to watch you before my high school games.

Speaker 23 I'm like, man, I'm like,

Speaker 26 yeah, so, you know, it's kind of weird.

Speaker 26 I've been having fun and Green Bay been doing a great job, especially from when I came in with the guys they had ahead of me,

Speaker 26 being able to keep it real with me, especially a big guy to me was Mercedes-Lewis. So, you know, talking to him how to take care of my body, things like that.

Speaker 26 So when, you know, young guys come up to me, asking me how to film, study, what to look for, things like that, I'm able just to keep it real because I had a good OG.

Speaker 26 but um man it's just been fun man i'm really a lead by you know example and um if i need to speak i get there but then also i started to learn that you know you can't talk to everybody the same way you know you got to understand you know everybody background dealing with yeah you know everybody background you know why everybody's in it and i feel like you know this offseason especially through ota's camp you know i've been able to understand people why so when it do get time you know two minute drill deep fourth quarter when we got a lock-in you know i could i could hit those points hey what what's what's it what's what's it what's it like there in in green bay Is there anything to do?

Speaker 23 Is it fun?

Speaker 21 You know, it's

Speaker 26 calm. You know, yeah, play football, man, and focus, man.

Speaker 26 But, man, it's chill calm. Green Bay, you know, slept on, but you know, it's a great community and it's well love.

Speaker 23 Okay, okay.

Speaker 21 Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, you got Milwaukee. You got Chicago.
That's a couple. That's 90 minutes away.
You got Milwaukee. That's 90 minutes away.
So, but it's easy to play.

Speaker 21 My brother played there for seven years, Rashawn. And then, you know, going to visit him, you can see why they had success in the 60s.
Ain't nothing else to do.

Speaker 21 There was less to do then than there is now, but you can understand why the Packers have success. There's not a whole lot to get into.
There's not a whole lot of trouble.

Speaker 21 There's not a, look, if you, Appleton is down the way, but that's a college town. Like I mentioned, Milwaukee, but hell, Milwaukee closed down at 10:30.

Speaker 21 You ain't really trying to drive way to Chicago. You ain't really trying to drive way to Chicago to have a good time.

Speaker 21 Hey, when you're there for those months, when you come back for training camp and you're there, hey, bro, let's make the best of this situation. We can get tunnel vision.
We can lock in.

Speaker 21 Let's try to go compete and win a Super Bowl.

Speaker 26 And that's the mindset.

Speaker 23 And that's how it's always been being a Green Bay Packer.

Speaker 21 Let me ask you this. Is there a play that you replay? Is there an almost sack? Is there almost a ball that was on the ground that you, damn, if I could have just got this one, it would have helped.

Speaker 21 Is there a play? that you replay in your mind since you've been in Green Bay that you're like, man, if I'd have made that play, that'd have been a difference in the game

Speaker 23 uh

Speaker 26 to be honest with you now off the top of my head but uh you know i played too hard to give it up man like i said i'm going on year seven and like a lot of guys i talk to you know you can't take it for granted and right now i'm in some crucial years where i feel like you know i could take off and start extending in the right way hey right hey

Speaker 23 it's flying by huh do you realize you're in year seven already it went by fast

Speaker 26 Yeah, it's going by fast. It's going by fast.
Like I said, I'm trying to stay in the moment and, you know, enjoy the ride. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 21 It is because you look up and you're going to be in year 10. And because, you know, you're like, man, let me get five.
And you say, well, let me get to 10.

Speaker 21 And then once you get to 10, you're like, let me take it a year at a time. But before you know it, I mean, I woke up one morning, I'm like, damn, I'm in year 10.

Speaker 21 And next day you know, hey, calling Mike said, hey, this is it for me, bro. I'm done.

Speaker 21 It goes fast. And that's why I tell guys, man, enjoy it.

Speaker 21 Make sure you're training, you're eating, your prep, everything, because you don't want to have not one iota of regret because regret, when you leave this game, you can't go back.

Speaker 21 And so to have that moment of regret for the rest of your life, it'll eat at you.

Speaker 21 So when you're done, Rashawn, when you say at the end of the Green Bay, hey, LaFleur, or Goudekins, or whomever you got to call that says, I'm done.

Speaker 21 Hopefully you finish your career in Green Bay, you're like, hey, you look back and you're like, man, I gave it everything I had. The way I trained, the way I slept, the way I practiced, the way I met,

Speaker 21 everything.

Speaker 21 I I walk away with

Speaker 21 my head held high,

Speaker 21 knowing I couldn't have got anything else out of the talent that God blessed me with.

Speaker 23 Hey,

Speaker 23 it's a good one right here, too, but it's a good one.

Speaker 23 So I think about, obviously, during my playing days, and some of the players that I looked up to at the same position, obviously while we were still playing, I would watch their film and study some of the things that they did and still, you know, steal some of their moves.

Speaker 23 No matter what, just to be able to add to my game to improve year to year.

Speaker 23 Who are some players that play the exact same position you do that you look up to and watch their film to see what they do where you can add to your toolbox as well?

Speaker 26 Yeah, with me, it's funny, but I like going throwbacks. So, you know, I like throwing on Julius Peppers.

Speaker 23 Yeah, Julius Peppers.

Speaker 26 Yeah, Julius Peppers. I love Tom Bailey when he was in the Kansas City teams doing his thing.
Yeah, Justin Houston.

Speaker 26 You know, those are guys that I feel like I rest similar towards. And then nowadays,

Speaker 26 you know, you throw on, you know, Miles Garrett. You get you, you know, been in the edge off of, you know, TJ Watt.

Speaker 23 But I ain't gonna lie.

Speaker 21 Speed the power guy.

Speaker 26 Yeah, speed the power.

Speaker 26 But, you know, this year I've been doing a lot of watching myself.

Speaker 23 I like it.

Speaker 21 I like it.

Speaker 23 That's dope.

Speaker 21 Let me ask you this, because Ocho and I was talking and how we approach the game of football, how we approach as a wide receiver.

Speaker 21 When you go into a game, obviously you're trying to get to the quarterback, but everything leads to something else. I'm showing him one thing, but that's not really what I want to do.

Speaker 21 I'm giving him this, but I really want to do that. But I'm saving it for a rainy day because I know it's going to come a third down in this fourth quarter.
And I know

Speaker 21 I've been running up the field the whole game. And I know, A, A, I know I've been stabbing you the whole game.
Hey, I've been posting and wiping you away the whole game. And

Speaker 21 I know you finna sit on that. Because that's what I've given you.
I've given you no reason to prepare for anything else. Is that that how you approach the rush game?

Speaker 21 Is that, look, I'm doing what I can, but I know I got to have this in my back pocket when I absolutely got to get this quarterback on the ground.

Speaker 26 Yeah.

Speaker 23 Shoot.

Speaker 26 You know, thing about pass rushes and every pass rusher I talk to, man, you, you know, all the great ones, you really got about four moves in the toolbox.

Speaker 26 And at the end of the day, it's really about reacting to what the, you know, the offensive lineman wants you to do.

Speaker 26 But once you get off the ball the certain way and you, you know, got them thinking, oh, he about to stab him, about to stab him.

Speaker 26 Yeah, I stabbed you the first four or five maybe six rushes but you know that third you know crucial down you know third and ten third and eight we gotta get off the field i'm about to sit you down at the edge but yeah

Speaker 21 it's a game it's a game with it within uh the longevity y'all both know that it absolutely it is it's a beautiful thing to watch the guys because you know i'm a little i'm a lot older than you i'm probably the age of your dad but the past rushes to watch dt how he got off the edge and bent the edge he reminds me of von miller And then I see Reggie White, how he just had pure power.

Speaker 21 He just, hey, he's just getting on the edge and he's going to hump you. You already know what's coming.
You can sit down as much as you want to. You 330 and try to sit on it.

Speaker 21 You're going to get humped. He's going to throw a 330-pound man like he's a sack of potatoes.

Speaker 21 And then you get a guy like a Bruce Smith that's 265, 270, all out like a Miles Garrett, playing on a five technique. And you're like, bro, how this man bend the edge like that? How can he lean?

Speaker 21 He's this high off the ground, Rashad. I'm like, how? How does he do that?

Speaker 21 I'm watching you.

Speaker 21 You got a lot of power.

Speaker 21 I see the way you're built from waist down and the way you can post a guy,

Speaker 21 wax on, wax him off. You can also bend the edge.
As you mentioned, you can convert speed to power because you can. It's all about getting off the ball.
Once I get off the ball, you at my mercy, bro.

Speaker 21 As long as I'm not lazy off the ball,

Speaker 26 hey, it's gonna be a good night.

Speaker 23 You're absolutely right.

Speaker 21 So, let me ask you a question.

Speaker 21 A lot of guys will listen to the TV version. They'll get the TV version and they'll try to pick up the quarterback's cadence.

Speaker 21 Blues 17, blues 17.

Speaker 21 Ready said,

Speaker 21 do you do things like that? Try to pick up the audio copy, try to pick up the field copy?

Speaker 26 Yeah, absolutely. Shoot, I'm in the quarterback.
I'm into the quarterback cadence. I'm also into it.
I'm heavy on the office and line talk.

Speaker 23 The office and line will tell you everything.

Speaker 26 They're going to let you know if it's a run. You know, how loud they communicate.

Speaker 21 How you sitting.

Speaker 26 How they're sitting, eyes, body language. Yeah, I'm into it all.

Speaker 26 But especially once I hear the officer linemen, you know, talking, they kind of be able to, you know, from for my reason, reason, everything, I'm kind of able to pick it up and play faster.

Speaker 21 Especially when you at home, because it's hard for them to hear. So they've got to communicate.
And as much as he's trying to look at you, he got to look.

Speaker 21 But now they kind of hold hands a little bit, but he still got to kind of look inside. And hey,

Speaker 21 all you need is a half a step. That's all you need.
It ain't no, hey, ain't no. Look, these guys are good.
You ain't just finna just beat these guys.

Speaker 21 But that half a step that you get, that you get on the edge and once you get them shoulders hey once he turn

Speaker 21 telling bro you're not finna ride me up the field I'm finna get skinny and I'm gonna get narrow because I'm finna get the quarterback on the ground yes sir

Speaker 21 so uh and uh before the 2019 draft you funded your own sports agency the Rashawn Gary Sports what inspired you to do something like this

Speaker 26 going to Michigan being able to sit in you know our Ross Business School had a couple of classes I was was blessed and fortunate to have a couple of classes in there.

Speaker 26 And just

Speaker 26 actually talk about business models, marketing. I actually got to talk about life after football.
And it's something that I really never thought about. And I'm like,

Speaker 26 we could be real, football is the biggest thing. This is not going to stop.
It's only going to get bigger and bigger and keep growing and growing.

Speaker 26 So I'm like, you know, when I get old and then when I do hang my cleats up, you know, how can I, you know, stay around, you know, the game, you know, give the game to young guys, especially in positions where, you know, know i wish i would have had growing up um and then also to leave a legacy you know for my kids kids and uh hopefully their kids so we're just trying to build it uh become a powerhouse i like that that's dope that's dope it's that's in the market rashan

Speaker 21 you do realize that division you in

Speaker 21 You got the Packers. They won 14 games last year.
You got the Lions. They won 15 games last year.

Speaker 21 You got the Bears, and many believe they're much improved with the addition as Ben Johnson as their head coach. They've added pieces on the offensive line to protect Caleb Williams.

Speaker 21 Defense seemed to be flying around under new DC, Dennis Allen and yourself, the Packers, you guys made the playoff.

Speaker 21 Jordan Love had the surgery on his left hand, but hey, everybody say he's good to go.

Speaker 21 What do the Packers need to do to win this division, get a home game, and say, hey, let whatever happens happen after that?

Speaker 26 We got to go out there and we just got to play Packers ball. Like I said, we've been going from OTAs through camp.
I'm talking about even finishing the pregame. I mean, preseason on a high note.

Speaker 26 You know, we just got to keep everything flowing. Like I said, especially on defense, we've been speaking the same language.

Speaker 26 I've been seeing the offense, you know, do they think connecting, even with special teams, you know, the guys are flying down.

Speaker 26 I understand that's a very crucial part and important part of the game. So all we got to do is be consistent.
You know, I had the mindset to go one and no every week.

Speaker 21 Let me ask you this. At practice, do you,

Speaker 21 if you see something from like your offensive line like bro that's a tail i can tell when you run the ball i tell when you passing the ball i can tell how you trying to you're trying to set me up do you guys communicate like that do they tell you hey rash on bro i i hey

Speaker 26 you you gave this move away do you guys communicate like that with one another oh yeah that's iron sharp and iron um especially when i'm trying to work on something um i'm big on that um i'm talking about both my tackles come to me um like what bother you so of course i'm gonna tell them everything i don't like to do so i can work on it and practice and vice versa, you know, me working on certain moves.

Speaker 26 Okay, you telegraphed that. Man, if you would have sold it up an extra set, you feel me?

Speaker 23 Or, oh, you got me on that move.

Speaker 26 I'm like, all right, you know, keep working things like that. But yeah, it's iron stripe and iron practice.
And me withholding information for season, that's not going to better the team.

Speaker 26 So I'd rather make it hard on me now. So for the guys that do give it away in season, I can play a little bit faster.

Speaker 21 Oh, man, that's great. Man, thank you, Rashawn, for joining us, man.
Stay healthy. Best of luck.
Hey, this year you was, what, hold on, let me find out where you were. You was number,

Speaker 21 you were number 80. Man, you dropped 50, you died 30 spots.
So when we come back and have this conversation next week, next year,

Speaker 21 you got to be in the top 30. You got to be 30 above.
Well, 30 or below.

Speaker 26 It's going to be great talking to you, Dan.

Speaker 21 Thank you, bro. Best of luck.
Stay healthy. Good luck to the Packers this season.
And we're going to talk to you down the road.

Speaker 26 Appreciate y'all. Thank you.
It's an honor.

Speaker 21 Appreciate you, bro. Have a good one.

Speaker 23 All right.

Speaker 21 Rashawn Gary, ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 1 This is Sophie Cunningham from Show Me Something.

Speaker 3 Do you know the symptoms of moderate to severe obstructive sleep apnea or OSA in adults with obesity?

Speaker 5 They may be happening to you without you knowing.

Speaker 3 If anyone has ever said you snored loudly or if you spend your days fighting off excessive tiredness, irritability, and concentration issues, it may be due to OSA.

Speaker 7 OSA is a serious condition where your airway partially or completely collapses during sleep, which may cause breathing interruptions and oxygen deprivation.

Speaker 12 Learn more at don'tsleeponosa.com.

Speaker 5 This information is provided by Lilly, a medicine company.

Speaker 20 Start trading crypto on Kraken with just $10.

Speaker 20 Buy Bitcoin, Ethereum, and over 450 other crypto assets in seconds. Kraken has been around for over 14 years and is trusted by millions worldwide.

Speaker 20 Whether you're brand new or looking for a better experience, Kraken makes it easy to get started. Download Kraken on the App Store or Google Play.
That's K-R-A-K-E-N.

Speaker 32 Non-investment advice. Crypto trading involves risk of loss and is offered to U.S.
customers, excluding New York and Maine through Payword Interactive Incorporated.

Speaker 32 View legal disclosures at kraken.com slash legal slash disclosures. Terms and conditions apply.

Speaker 33 Honestly, honestly, honestly, no one wants to think about HIV, but there are things that everyone can do to help prevent it. Things like PrEP.

Speaker 33 PrEP stands for Pre-Exposure Prophylaxis, and it means routinely taking prescription medicine before you're exposed to HIV to help reduce your chances of getting it.

Speaker 33 PrEP can be about 99% effective when taken as prescribed. It doesn't protect against other STIs, though, so be sure to use condoms and other healthy sex practices.

Speaker 14 Ask a healthcare provider about all your prevention options and visit findoutaboutprep.com to learn more. Sponsored by Gilead.

Speaker 31 What's up, everyone? This is Angel, Diego, and Jason, and we're a Goose Top About Podcast. Siemporciento, music, regional Mexicana, pra veces, uno que otro chisme.

Speaker 34 Holiday season's here, and the studio is feeling festive.

Speaker 35 We got the tracks, the exclusives, yes, sprite winter spice cranberry bien frío. That refreshing cranberry flavor hits just right.

Speaker 31 A seasonal favorite, but limited time only.

Speaker 34 So don't sleep on it to keep your fiestas festive. Adarle.

Speaker 35 Flo frío, con sprite winter spice cranberry.

Speaker 21 Obey your thirst.