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Let's listen to what Babel Grable's response was.

Today that Jalen Pope will have to have season-ending shoulder surgery.

Can you add anything to that?

No.

I don't know, other than I'd like to find out where some of these come from.

You know, some of these rats around here, so we'll figure that out.

You see, hey, now we see everybody.

Who said that?

Who said that?

They don't just be making this stuff up.

I know y'all be trying to name your source, name your source, name your source.

Jordan,

nah,

they don't make that up.

So, right,

Owners,

head coaches, general managers, player personnel, position coaches, players.

That's how Adam Schefter stays in business.

That's how Sean's stay in business.

The agents, that's how they get that information.

Y'all get mad.

Y'all get mad.

Y'all don't get mad at the people for telling them.

Y'all get mad at Schefter and Sean for reporting it.

Oh, the first thing they always say, especially the fans, state your source.

State your source.

Well, who said it?

Well, duh, if they stated a source, they would never be able to get information.

You're done.

So just go ahead and turn your, just go ahead and turn your pen and say, hey, hey, PSPN, I'm done.

I'm no longer in business of doing that.

Yeah.

You heard what he said.

So now, chat, ain't nothing wrong with it.

Now you heard what he said.

He would like to know who the rat is.

So somebody told a reporter because the reporter stood up there point blank and asking about season ending or shoulder surgery.

That he should know about.

The reporter should know about that.

The mere fact they'd be reporting.

Now, I'm not saying that someone, but like when Chef and them be coming nine times out of ten, Ocho, oh, they got that from somewhere.

Yeah.

They got that from somewhere.

A close source.

Yes.

People around the league.

No, people in the league.

They don't round no league.

They had around it.

They in it.

Somebody talking.

Sources the NFL,

the league office.

That's just the way it works.

You know what's funny, too long?

I was reading some comments about some of the stuff we talked about last night with the Shador.

I'm not going back.

I'm not going back on the Shador thing right now.

I'm just in general.

And some of the comments throughout today

are people on my timeline reacting to what we're saying.

and what Ed said, what Eric Georges has said.

And people like, oh, that's impossible.

Why would the NFL care?

I mean,

they come up with all these different solutions.

And it goes back to me in people underestimating how powerful the NFL is in general, how they just see it as just a football game, and how they don't understand that the shield

is one that reminds people.

Let me say this again slowly.

The shield in the NFL is one that will remind people in any way, shape, form, or fashion.

Nothing

will be bigger than our program.

Absolutely.

Nothing will be bigger than our program.

People that are so blind to it and don't understand the power that those individuals as a whole possess, it's ridiculous.

Even when I was playing, huh?

Let me, let me, hey, Joe, let me tell you something, Joe.

Even when I was playing,

I understood the power that be of the shield.

So I understood, I know I can play play a little bit.

But not too much.

Joe.

I knew I could play around a little bit.

Chat, y'all stay with me.

But I understood what lines not to cross.

Unk, I understood the game very early.

I understood my time in NFL.

It won't be that long.

I have a small window of opportunity to have some fun, to make some money.

But there's certain lines that cannot cross because at some point in the long run,

I'm going to have have to cross that bridge again.

Culling in between the lines, oh, Joe, colour in between the lines.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Hey, Joe, Joe, listen, Joe, let me tell you something.

How well I'm at it playing the game, huh?

And Joe, I can say the chat, stay with me real quick.

Some of the things I'm got, some of the things I have going on, got going on right now,

all these goddamn jobs and all these goddamn opportunities.

There's certain buttons that are being pushed behind closed doors that you can't see.

That's allowing.

Joe, come on, joe hey there's certain buttons being pushed behind closed doors

man come on man hey no no no no

i i feel you i understand

don't make some start right hey i understand i understand man listen when hey it's it's i understand about the buttons being pushed behind closed doors there's people working for you and you don't even know it

Well, you don't don't don't even know.

You don't burn no bridges.

You can't.

Everybody talks about do this and do that, and I'd have did this, and I'd have did that.

Yeah.

Okay.

You leave like you came.

You came with your dignity.

You leave.

All that yelling and screaming.

Hey, what nobody was harmed in the making of that movie.

But at the end of the day,

there's been speculation that Polk was going to be cut or trade candidate with all 32 teams needing a set 53-man roster by Forb Eastern on August the 26th.

Who would benefit from leaking the injury of a player more than the player himself who may not want to be leave or traded?

Well,

you can't trade a player if he's cut.

I mean, if he's injured, you have to offer him an injury settlement.

So he's straight.

So they can't, they can't trade him.

No, you can't cut an injury player.

You have to offer him an injury settlement.

Right.

I know you can't do it in basketball.

I ain't know how football works.

But we've seen players get injured.

I could have sworn I saw stuff where players have gotten injured.

They get cut right away and especially in training camp i could have sworn

oh okay okay well at least the reports could say a settlement was was received that a player was cut

okay okay you get an injury settlement hey i have a question is there a certain is there a certain amount a set amount for

i i guess

however long is going to i mean

That's something you, the agent would be, we

work out probably the length of time if it's going for the season.

You're like, right.

No, I want my money.

Wait, what?

Maybe what?

A million.

It all depends.

I think he's like a second-year player, right?

He's a second-year player.

So his, it made it, it was his $800,000, a million dollars.

They're like, okay, they probably eat that, OJ.

Yeah.

Right.

Okay.

Okay.

Okay.

Okay.

It's when you get into the situation like a Christian Wilkins.

You're getting guys making $13,000, $15, $20.

Now it becomes a problem.

Or Joey, in basketball, Joe's, they do what they call a buyout.

Okay, I'll give you 85%, I'll give you 90% of your money.

Right, right.

They don't do that in football.

Hell no.

Hold on, they cut you.

They say you're on about your way.

Yeah, they get you up out of there.

Unless you got,

like, like Russ.

The Broncos cut Russ.

They say, okay, they gave Russ all his money.

Remember, it comes to

the whole normal?

Yeah.

Yeah, but because, but no, not a lot of people have like that, that big guaranteed money.

Yeah, if you got guaranteed money, you don't care.

Russ had 38 million, what, 30-something, 35, 36 million coming from the Broncos.

So it wasn't nothing to go to take the 2 million from the Steelers.

I got 40 million.

I don't care

how it's divvied out.

I got it coming.

But a lot of guys ain't got that guaranteed money.

So

that's, you know, football is a gladiator sport, man.

Yeah, it's you know, every play could be damn near career-ending play.

Absolutely.

Hey, that's a Joe.

That's why you got to be built like this out there.

You've been in the gym, huh?

Hey, hey, hey.

Let me pick a bone with him real quick.

Go ahead.

Man, OJo, I watched that celebrity game and

I was at that like bro.

Hold on, hold on.

I expected, I didn't expect for you to score 30, but I expect at least a a double, double, 10 points, 10 rebounds.

Hey, hey, Joe, hey, listen to me, Joe.

Listen to me, Joe.

I really wasn't supposed to say this.

I wasn't supposed to say this out loud, but I'm going to say it anyway.

Hey, Hezzy Guy, right?

I seen it.

Hezzy God had a bet.

He had a bet.

Stay with me.

Stay with me real quick, Joe.

He had a bet, right, with Gilly.

Gilly was supposed to win MEP again.

I say, Hezzy, well, I'm going to just shoot.

I'm going to just give you the ball.

You just go to work and do do what you need to do.

Hey, listen.

I seen he was ultra-aggressive.

I seen that.

But, but no, no.

Hey, did you see the first?

Hey, Joe, soon as he got the ball, what did he do?

He had it on his mind.

He had to get it off his chest.

But listen, he didn't make every shot.

I expect for you, you probably most athletic dude out there.

I was expecting you to get the rebounds.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I probably am.

But, Joe,

he got what he's known for.

He's known for a double single.

Nah, nah.

Hey, hold on, hold on, hold on.

hey joe

joe i i did i did what i was supposed to do to make sure my team got my win i was at that rebound out hey i'll facilitate like magic ocho you hey oh cho what's up you a johnson man you hey you a johnson boy you hear me

yeah you supposed to go out there and show up and show out all right i got you hey joe joe next year they invite you back oh

they did not invite you back

oh no oh they ready oh they oh they they definitely back

because Because you ain't, hey, listen, you ain't never seen no defense like that.

I was out there.

Hey, I was like Pat Beverly and all.

I wish I could have been out there.

But anywho,

I don't know, Ocho.

Jose, you have a double single.

I heard a triple double.

I ain't never heard of no double single.

Hey, hold on.

Hold on.

Hey, Eric,

I did what I was supposed to do.

I told you I was like Rodman out there.

The comedian?

Rodman?

No, Rodman.

Hey, hey, what's um, dude that played for the Spurs that was really good at defense, Bruce Orm, right?

Yeah,

Alvin Robertson was before him.

Alvin Robertson Robertson about him, oh, he don't know about Albertson.

Was he good?

He was an outstanding, he got a quadruple double.

He got a yeah, he was good.

He's a defensive player of the year.

Hell yeah, he was good.

Hold on, hold on.

He was like Gary Payton defense, like that kind of good.

Right.

Yeah, yeah, it was good.

All right, all right, all right, all right, all right, Joe.

I know I, Joe, I let you down, Joe.

I got you, though.

I joke.

Listen, just one game.

Oh, you coming back next year?

I'm coming back every year.

Hold on, hold on, hold on.

Okay, oh Joe, y'all see the two teams in the championship game, right?

Yeah,

yeah.

You ain't phone boy, made a joke with a 30 burger in the back pocket.

Stop playing with me,

come on now.

Hey, Joe, what's up?

Hey, I asked, I asked Uncle question, too, right?

You know, Joe, I don't.

don't, let me, let me, let me chat.

Y'all stay with me real quick, chat.

I am new to basketball, Joe.

Watching the game, understanding the game, understanding the plays and just the screens and just all that three-level score.

Everything, Joe.

I am soccer, football, tennis, boxing.

I told I can sit here and talk about that for hours.

So basketball being new to me in general, so being up close.

My first game, Joe, in a long time was going to see

last year, maybe the year before last, watching the Philly game, sitting courtside and watching Embiid go for seven.

I don't know.

Was that last game?

You had that game?

Last.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Because

I was with Doug.

So I went to that game.

And before that,

I went to a heat game maybe once every three years.

So now I'm into, I'm into basketball.

I ain't got no choice.

I got to talk it.

I got to watch it.

So now I'm really getting into it.

So I look at them boys play in the three-on-three, and I'm like, I came on the show that night with Uncle.

I'm like, well, god damn,

how the hell Lance Stevenson ain't playing?

How the hell Michael Beast is not in the league?

And so it's because it's new to me and me not understanding age, yeah, that what I'm watching, those dudes are really good, but the people that's playing in the NBA right now are that much better.

And that's

and when you're in the league,

there's a way in which you behave.

Absolutely.

Right.

Okay, okay.

So, so basically,

hey, Joe, the boy was good.

No, they can play, OJo.

They can play.

They can play.

Oh, man.

Yeah, I mean, Lance Stevenson played like a decade.

He played like 10, 11 years.

Yeah, he could.

Yeah.

Hey, Joe.

All right.

That nigga Lance was taking people off the dribble.

Man, Beasley, man, man.

Yeah, you'd have seen them boys play.

This is my first time seeing them up close.

It's one thing, you know, the TV, TV don't do no justice.

You don't do no justice.

I do six, nine movement like that, man.

What are we doing?

No, you know, the boys got some game, man.

You know what?

And it wouldn't, it wouldn't have been so bad, Ocho, if you wouldn't have been on here hollering about you was finna score 30 points.

I think that's where chat, if I ain't mistake, I think that's where chat was like, man, what Ocho talking about?

He's gonna score 30.

So we was looking, we was looking for a flirt.

You were looking for you to come.

I was looking.

I was hoping for two points.

I said, if he just gets on, I just wanted him on the scores.

I just wanted him in the book.

That's all.

I was hoping for two points.

But, Joe,

this is what you have to understand when it comes to me, Joe.

You know me and you know what I enjoy.

You know what I love.

You know what I'm passionate about.

And you know what?

I play consistently away from the game of football.

You know, if it was a soccer game, I would have had 100 goals.

If it was 10, you ain't scored no, you ain't scored no goals.

Come on, Joe.

No,

Don't do that.

Don't do that.

That's the one thing I can actually do better than goddamn football.

Joe,

I don't play basketball.

That's why.

I just be

continuing big cap on nightcap.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

Wait, what a cut of basketball.

That's not a bad thing.

That's not just basketball.

Not just basketball.

Just big cap.

Nah.

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Giants, OJo, jump right into it.

The Giants beat the Patriots.

Jackson Dart shined in his rookie preseason.

His numbers across all three weeks.

He was 32 of 47, 372 yards, four total touchdowns, zero interceptions.

Ojo, I told you, he's going to be starting sooner than you think.

He's going to learn one thing, OJo.

Get your ass down.

Them guys, you try AAA.

They cover them guys heavy.

He's going to learn fast.

He's going to learn very fast.

You have to understand, you say he's going to start sooner, rather sooner than later.

And

that's to say, if Russell Wilson doesn't play well, but I think Russell Wilson is going to be in great command of that offense, especially with the weapons he has around him.

Listen, you put that ball in Uno's hands, everything going to be fine.

Put that ball in one's hands, everything ain't going to be fine.

I don't think there's much pressure on Russell Wilson.

And

if they're gonna give him the job, I think Russell Wilson makes it through this season and Jackson Dart starts next year.

You don't think so?

No.

Not the way this rookie played this preseason.

And Ocho, you see the way he moving the pocket?

You see the throws that he's making.

He's nice.

He's nice.

He is.

And what that you and I go do, we're gonna give credit where it's due.

Now, if you play bad, we're gonna say you play bad.

But if you play good, we're gonna say, hey, man, get your popcorn, watch this kid.

I mean, his command of the offense, I mean, his ability to push the ball down the field.

His ability, he's scrambling.

And then all of a sudden, he's like, oh, I forgot about my black back.

Bam.

Wham.

Throws it to the back.

I said,

you should just, you sure for a rookie?

Rookies don't normally play like that.

He plays with a lot of points.

He plays a big time arm.

He'll throw push the ball.

I like guys that push the ball down the field.

All that short fishing, you ain't going to catch no big fish around the edge.

The big fish are deep, yeah.

Most of the time, especially for the rookies, you know, to get themselves in rhythm, get themselves in rhythm, yeah, they'll start short just to build just to get that confidence going as opposed to taking it taking a deep shot.

I remember, um, I think what was it, maybe last week, it might have been last week.

It was third, it was third and shorter, maybe, maybe they went for it on fourth down, and he threw the goddamn deep ball instead of throwing it short for a touchdown.

And who else?

Guess what, Ocho?

Who else knows that you're a rookie that you're probably not going to push that ball downfield early and you're going to stay around the shore, decoordinators?

And they tell him they're going to tell him the crowd.

Yep.

Because

they think it like you're thinking.

Yeah.

Coach, first of all, coach ain't going to call anything.

He don't want to get too exotic.

He wants to let him warm up.

We're going to let him throw a smoke, let him throw an owl, let him throw a slant.

Sit.

Hey,

They go get that ball.

But no,

I love what I've seen.

I don't want to get,

but I think Brian Dayball and that staff is very pleased with the production that Jackson Dart displayed in the preseason.

How can you not?

Four total touchdowns, no picks, basically clean look.

Like you said, Ocho, I can teach you that, son.

Get your ass down.

Get down or get out of bounds.

You got two choices.

You can get down or you can get your ass out of bounds one or the other or

we're gonna come put your ass on the car and you're gonna go in the tent because you see what happened with what happened ocho they came and got him and they put it that took his ass to the tent but look listen uh

based on his play this preseason bangles i'm talking about bangles i'm just thinking about my damn bangles giants fan giants organization the his teammates they have to be very pleased very opposite

what you saw from jackson thorough but also I want to be very cautious now.

Very cautious.

Now, this is, you got to understand who he was going against.

Now, when the regular season starts, it's a different ball game out there, huh?

It's not going to be sweet, not going to be uh, that damn sweet.

Yeah, hey, it's not going to be uh, they're going to get no vanilla, they're going to get you a lot.

Hey, they go, hey, oh, you're going to get you a lot of swirls, and you go to Basket Robbins.

It ain't flavors, it's coverages you're going to get.

It ain't 31 flavors, it's 31 coverage.

It's a different ball game.

It's a different ball game.

It is.

It is.

It absolutely is.

The intensity picks up.

The urgency picks up.

The coaches, all that, all that.

Hey, the coaches, they explaining things to you in a nice, calm tone.

That is not the window.

Hey, and that's what

one of the coaches told me my rookie year, you know, we still cut.

Just because it's the season, that don't mean you can't get cut.

Sometimes, you know, sometimes guys relax, hojo, ooh, man, made it out of trading cap.

They'll cut you week one,

all the way through to week 17, 18.

Even, hey, I've seen guys get cut in the postseason.

It could be your day.

Damn, in the postseason?

Well, look here.

Man, we are, hey,

well, look here.

They don't play, Ocho.

Look, might,

you know what?

It might have been the like, it might not have been the postseason, you know, practice squad guys or something like that.

But I've seen, but I'm talking about event guys late in the season.

Oh, man, that's

Mike Shannon had that play.

It wasn't no loafing.

It wasn't no walking.

When he said, hey,

I don't know how y'all did, Lojo, but when we changed drills,

oh, you had to get a move on.

Got a little pepper.

Got to have a little pepper in your step, huh?

Nobody walks but the mailman.

That's why he doesn't make what you make.

You run to where you got to go.

I like that.

Okay.

I like that.

Okay.

All right.

Okay.

Some people don't understand that.

And that's no disrespect to the mailman.

Hey, you guys do an unbelievable job.

We appreciate your service.

Although you done kind of like with Amazon and all these other carriers, they dabbed it up, put y'all out of business.

But

this kid, Jackson Dart,

I like what I'm seeing now I'm like you I want to see him against a real competition

hey when you go

where you got to you got to make those alignments those adjustments

yes defenses I mean linemen are stunning

defense of uh disguising what they really want to do and at the snow

you might think it's you might think it's cover one you might think it's cover three and all of a sudden they go you go to it go to two oh man it's it's it's it's so

they go to quarter they go to seven they go to six they go to six kick hey have have have you

they go to cover five they're fried

yep clouding it

yeah so

yeah oh them jokes be out there

banjoing it banjo

but i hey i was looking because you know i be look i'll be trying to look a because uh that was way they they'd be out there doing this right here that means they banjo and that means they're gonna cut they're gonna double somebody i'm like it never really dawned on me that what the sick, you know, I'm just out there like, what the right, right, right,

or you know, you see them do that locking it.

Hey, so I just got a kid, I guess, got a kick out of that when people say, Hey, man, it don't matter, it don't matter, uh, uh, uh,

if you know what to do, the hell you say,

you let me know, y'all gonna be a couple,

let me know, y'all gonna be in quarters, a single high safety, a six kick, the hell you say

bad, please.

But uh, Tommy DeVito, oh, yo, Tommy DeVito

17 of 20, buck 93, three tubs.

Jackson Dart came in six to twelve, 81 yards, a tub.

Jameis Winston came in 4-8, Mop up 47.

This might be the second team we talk about.

A team carrying four quarterbacks, this might be another team that might carry four.

I don't think so,

Because you know why?

Because

Jameis is making four million.

Russ is making good money.

Russ is making how much money, Ash, 10-15.

See, it's not like Cleveland because what you call only making 5 million.

Kenny Pickett's making what he's making, and then you got two rushes.

Okay, so what you're saying?

What you saying?

Who's the odd man out then?

Oh, so he got one year, 10-5,

which is probably as much as

Flacco and Pickett making together.

And then you throw Jameis's 4 million a year, because I think he did two years, $9 million, so $4.5 million.

So you're looking at $15 million between two quarterbacks.

So who's

I don't think you think they keep, you think they keep Tommy?

Well, obviously, you know, they're not getting rid of Jackson Darr.

You think they keep Tommy DeVito?

Or they release him and try to sign him back to the practice squad.

Probably sign it back to the practice squad, but

I see them doing the same thing that the browns are probably going to do

but for some reason i for some reason i i just do and then we talked about jameis winston you heard you heard uh personnel or or or was that the owner that came out and said absolutely not he's not going nowhere

and i talked about

james winston

you're talking about uh marriage john man yeah yeah

but great lock great locker room presence great team guy

i knew i knew he i knew jameis won't go nowhere.

Absolutely not.

But 4210, you don't want to go out on the note like that.

But you know, Ocho, you and I, we talked about this earlier this week.

Unfortunately,

a lot of kids' dreams, I say kids,

they're old enough to be my kids.

Old enough to be, they're young enough.

Well, let me take that back.

They're young enough to be our kids.

I'm pretty sure I'm older than most of their moms and dads.

But with that being said, a lot of these young men's dreams come to an end tonight.

Some will get an opportunity to go be on a practice squad somewhere else.

Some might get an opportunity to go to Canada, play in the UFL.

But for a lot of them, Mocho, the realization that this is over.

Something I've been doing since I was seven, eight years old.

Did it at the Pee Wee level, did it at the JV level, high school level, college level, my dreams and aspirations did not come to fruition.

That's tough.

Because this is probably the first time, ocho,

that someone has told these young men, you're not good enough.

Think about it.

They've always been the best.

They were the best on their Pop Warner.

They were best on their flag football team, their JV football team, their high school basketball, a football team, their college.

And then

it's a numbers game.

You're not good enough.

That's the realization of, oh, that's the realization of it.

I mean,

I'm not trying to be, Chad, I'm not trying to be dramatic because I know what it's like to be on pins and needles.

That last game, that last preseason game.

And your name is on the board to be released.

Matter of fact.

My name was on the board to be released.

Let me tell you.

Let me tell you.

What about the last preseason game?

I'm talking about when we were playing.

The last preseason game, I remember I would be walking in and the person who did the cutting and letting players know as they come in the building was Lippy Lippincott.

I don't know if he's still with the Bangles or not.

And I would always come in early after the preseason game and come in, hit the cold tub, hit the hot tub, get my body back.

get my body back rejuvenated and fresh.

And I would see Lippy standing there right at the door

and just thinking to myself man

so he collecting the playbook and letting them know to go up and see the coach before the meetings even start i'm like man that's tough man and then hard knocks hard knocks hard knocks made it a reality and allowing people to see

people actually you know get cut and and how

that side of it works and it's It's

as heartbreaking and sad that it is.

It's the reality of the game.

That's reality.

We got to show you both sides.

You just see the plug guys making plays, scoring touchdowns, the camaraderie on the field, in the meeting rooms and things like that.

But there's another side to this.

That somebody, some young man, men,

their dreams,

this dream, is not going to come true.

And you have to reshift, refocus.

A lot of it, you know, you're disciplined because you have to be somewhat disciplined to play football because you got, you know, you got study hall, you got when you work out, you got practice, when you got to be there for the plane ride, when you got to be there for the bus ride, how you have to dress.

So there's a certain level of structure in a lot of these young men's lives.

So it, you know, some, you know, a

structure is.

is not their strong suit because they do everything they can until the buck

against it.

But most, most of these men, they do have structure because you've kind of been in a structured environment for the better part of your life.

And so it should be, you know,

if you go back and go into the workforce, the actual nine to five,

you know, you got to be to work at a certain time.

You know, the task that you're asked to do.

You just go get it done.

But that's the unfortunate side of playing a professional sport that everybody dreams of playing.

And that's the thing, you know, for every Ocho Cinco and a Shannon Sharp or Sterling Sharp or somebody that came of the less than favorable or impoverished conditions.

There are a lot of people that came from those same conditions that didn't get an opportunity to play in the NFL, Ocho, that got the opportunity that you and I got, and that was as far as they got, was training camp.

That's tough, man.

I think it's a good thing.

I think it's also a good thing for fans to be able to see

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Know the sweat, the tears,

the being on pins and needles, the pressure of having to go out there in the preseason, knowing that, okay, I have two or three games where I have to make a name for myself.

If not here, maybe somewhere else.

If I don't make it here, no, that's tough.

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we'll welcome in Pro Bowler.

Last year, he's a Pro Bowler.

He's number 80 on this year's NFL top 100.

You were 50 last year, Rashawn.

Despite making the Pro Bowl last year, they have you down 30 spots.

I want to know what is Rashawn Gary going to do to get back into that top 50, get back into that top 30, maybe even get up into the top 20.

Well, y'all go and see in two weeks.

You know, we got a great home.

Hold that talk, man.

Against the Lions.

Let's go.

Yeah, you know, got a great home, homeparener, you know, against the Lions, NFC, you know, rivalry.

So it was a nice way to start the season.

I just want my work to show.

So, yeah, I've got a quick question for you.

Camp is over now.

Obviously, I'm sure you guys have a week to work on some things, Packers versus Packers, before you get into a game plan and scheme for week one.

How was camp for you?

How's the body holding up?

How do you feel?

Are you going into camp healthy?

I mean, I'm oh, yeah, no, this is uh, it was, it's, yeah, it's crazy.

Uh, because I was just talking to, you know, my teammate Kenny about it.

I'm like, you know, going into year seven, this is one of the, you know, the healthiest camps that I have.

So, you know, I'm feeling good, you know, from OTAs all the way through now.

I've been putting a great body of work and now it's just time to, you know, put it on display.

Yes, sir.

You guys don't play a game for another two weeks.

Is coach, is Coach LaFleur going to give you guys some time some time off?

Are you back on Monday or do you get Sunday?

You get Monday.

You guys are back in there Tuesday.

Are you going to get a little time off before you have to hit it and start getting ready for the Lions in two weeks?

Yeah, you know, we got a couple of practices coming up next week, but, you know, we got the weekend off and then back to work on Sunday.

Damn, y'all back to work on Sunday already?

Damn, I figured Coach LaFleur would give y'all a couple of days off.

Y'all, you're like, well, damn, Cole,

we had a

good camp.

The Packers, your defense.

I mean, you mentioned Kenny Clark.

I'm assuming you're talking about Kenny Clark.

Now you lost your cornerback, your all-pro cornerback.

You released him, and he ends up going to Baltimore.

How do you guys, because you guys have shown spots where you guys are dominant.

I'm talking about dominant.

You attack the quarterback, you stop the run, you turn the team over, you give your offense shortfields.

How do you stay consistent in doing that, Rashawn?

Yeah, just holding our standard.

Everybody got through their 111.

And throughout OTAs, especially, you know, being year two and, you know, a coast half system, it's been crazy watching everybody fly to the ball, tack the ball, and actually being on one accord,

you know, talking about first all the way to fourth down, get back on track downs.

We all on the same page, all speaking the same language.

And, you know, it's been good seeing it.

For you guys, especially the Packers, opening up with a game like this against the Lions is a good test for you guys defensively, obviously, whether it be on the ground, whether it be in the air, because you understand the dynamic and how special the Lions offense is.

Even with Ben Johnson leaving, they still have all those weapons, you know, Jameer Gibbs and Montgomery, you know, the receivers on the outside, tight end.

Your thought process going into it early so far, what is it that you think you guys need to do to win that game come week one from a defensive standpoint?

I already know what you guys can do on offense.

Defensively, can you be able to hold them?

I'm not sure what the Lions finish when it comes to scoring, but you know they can put up points.

Yeah, absolutely.

Just like I was saying, we've been doing a great job through OTAs and camp of being on the same page, speaking the same language, understanding what teams want to do to us, especially our offense in these last couple of joint practices, really being on the same page to how these offensive teams want to attack us, understanding our weak points.

And I'm saying, when on 11 know that, we understand how to protect it.

So just basically being on the same page.

And when it comes to, you know, that game right at three o'clock, we got to be locked in, focused in on one occur how we've been and just having fun.

Okay, one more question.

One more question.

Go ahead.

i know your team goals you got team goals obviously from a defensive perspective team goals offensive and decently obviously the main goal you want to be in san francisco at the end at the end of the season first week of february but personal goals your personal goals yourself that you will want to achieve it can you can you share those with us you know whatever it may be uh yeah i could just show you my uh you know shit a little into my mindset man just just trying to be dominant man i've been training the hardest offseason really just trying to to take over.

Like I said, one through fourth downs, man.

That's what I'm playing for.

I'm really just trying to show everybody, you know, how dominant I can be.

Rashawn, you're the vet now.

There's no more Aaron Rodgers.

There is no more Jahir Alexander.

You're one of the old guards now.

So now, how has your

leadership style changed?

Because guess what?

You're one of the senior voices now.

Yeah, you know, it's been great, man.

It's something that, you know, you always pray for and ask for.

And, you know, it's crazy, you know, we got rookies coming in and talking about, I used to watch it before my high school games.

I'm like, man, I'm

yeah, so, you know, it's kind of weird.

But

I've been having I've been having fun and Green Bay been doing a great job, especially from when I came in with the guys they had ahead of me,

being able to keep it real with me, especially a big guy to me was Mercedes-Lewis.

So, you know, talking to him how to take care of my body, things like that.

So when, you know, young guys come up to me, asking me how to film, study, what to look for, things like that, I'm able just to keep it real because I had a good og but um man it's just been fun man i'm really a lead by you know example and um if i need to speak i'll get there but then also i started to learn that you know you can't talk to everybody the same way you know you got to understand you know everybody background you're dealing with yeah you know everybody background you know why everybody's in it and i feel like you know this offseason especially through ota's camp you know i've been able to understand people why so when it do get time you know two minute drill deep fourth quarter when we got lock-in you know i could i could hit those points hey what what's it what's what's it what's it like there in in Green Bay?

Is there anything to do?

Is it fun?

You know, it's

calm.

You know, yeah, play football, man, and focus, man.

But, man, it's chill calm.

Green Bay, you know, it's slept on, but, you know, it's a great community and it's well loved.

Okay, okay.

Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, you got Milwaukee.

You got Chicago.

That's a couple.

That's 90 minutes away.

You got Milwaukee.

That's 90 minutes away.

So, but it's easy to play.

My brother played there for seven years, Rashawn.

And then, you know, going to visit him, you can see why they had success in the 60s.

Ain't nothing else to do.

There was less to do then than there is now, but you can understand why the Packers have success.

There's not a whole lot to get into.

There's not a whole lot of trouble.

There's not a look.

Appleton is down the way, but that's a college town.

Like I've mentioned, Milwaukee, but hell, Milwaukee closed down at 10:30.

You ain't really trying to drive way to Chicago.

You ain't really trying to drive way to Chicago to have a good time.

Hey, when you're there for those months, when you come back for training camp and you're you're there, hey, bro, let's make the best of this situation.

We can get tunnel vision.

We can lock in.

Let's try to go compete and win a Super Bowl.

And that's the mindset, and that's how it's always been being a Green Bay fagger.

Let me ask you this.

Is there a play that you replay?

Is there an almost sack?

Is there almost a ball that was on the ground that you, damn, if I could have just got this one, it would have helped.

Is there a play?

that you replay in your mind since you've been in Green Bay that you're like, man, if I'd have made that play, that'd have been a difference in the game

uh

to be honest with you now off the top of my head but uh you know i played too hard to give it up man like i said i'm going on year seven and like a lot of guys i talk to you know you can't take it for granted and right now i'm in some crucial years where i feel like you know i could take off and start extending in the right way hey right hey

it's flying by huh do you realize you're in year seven already it went by fast in it

Yeah, it's going by fast.

It's going by fast.

Like I said, I'm trying to stay in the moment and, you know, enjoy the ride.

Oh, yeah.

It is because you look up and you're going to be in year 10.

And because, you know, you're like, man, let me get five.

And you say, well, let me get to 10.

And then once you get to 10, you're like, let me take it a year at a time.

But before you know it, I mean, I woke up one morning, I'm like, damn, I'm in year 10.

And next thing you know, a calling mic said, hey, this is it for me, bro.

I'm done.

It goes fast.

And that's why I tell guys, man, enjoy it.

Make sure you're training, you're eating, your prep, everything, because you don't want to have not one iota of regret.

Because regret, when you leave this game, you can't go back.

And so to have that moment of regret for the rest of your life, it'll eat at you.

So when you're done, Rashawn, when you say, hey, Green Bay, hey, LaFleur, or Goonikins, or whomever you got to call that says, I'm done.

Hopefully you finish your career in Green Bay.

You're like, hey, you look back and it's like, man, I gave it everything I had.

The way I trained, the way I slept, the way I practiced, the way I met,

everything.

I walk away with my head held my head held high,

knowing I couldn't have got anything else out of the talent that God blessed me with.

Hey,

it's a good one right here, too, but it's a good one.

So I think about obviously during my playing days, there's some of the players that I looked up to at the same position, obviously while we're still playing, I would watch their film and study some of the things that they did and still, you know, steal some of their moves.

No matter what, just to be able to add to my game to improve year to year.

Who are some players that play the exact same position you do that you look up to and watch their film to see what they do where you can add to your toolbox as well?

Yeah, with me, it's funny, but I like going throwbacks.

So, you know, I like throwing on Julius Peppers.

Yeah, Julius Peppers.

Yeah, Julius Peppers.

I love Tomba Ali

when he was in the Kansas City Chiefs doing the same.

Yeah, Justin Houston.

You know, those are guys that I feel like I rest similar towards.

And then nowadays,

you know, you you throw on you know miles garrett you get you you know been in the edge off with you know tj walk but uh i ain't gonna lie the power guy yeah speed the power you know but uh you know this year i've been doing a lot of watching myself man i like i like

that's dope

let me ask you this because oh you and i was talking and how we approach the game of football how we approach as a wide receiver when you go into a game Obviously, you're trying to get to the quarterback, but everything leads to something else.

I'm showing him one thing, but that's not really what I want to do.

I'm giving him this, but I really want to do that.

But I'm saving it for a rainy day because I know it's going to come a third down in this fourth quarter.

And I know I've, A, I've been running up the field the whole game.

And I know, A, A, I know I've been stabbing you the whole game.

A, I've been posting and wiping you away the whole game.

And I know you, I know you finish sit on that.

Because that's what I've given you.

I've given you no reason to prepare for anything else.

is that how you approach the rush game is that look i'm doing what i can but i know i got to have this in my back pocket when i absolutely got to get this quarterback on the ground yeah um shoot you know thing about pass rushes and uh every pass rusher i talk to man you you know all the great ones you really got about four moves in the toolbox and uh at the end of the day it's really about reacting to what the you know the offensive lineman wants you to do but once you get off the ball the certain way and you you know got them thinking oh he about to stab him about to stab him yeah i'll stab you the first four or five maybe six rushes but you know that third you know crucial down you know third and ten third and eight we gotta get off the field i'm about to sit you down hit the edge but yeah

it's a game it's a game with it within uh the longevity y'all both know that it absolutely it is it's a beautiful thing to watch the guys because you know I'm a little, I'm a lot older than you.

I'm probably the age of your dad, but the past rushes to watch DT, how he got off the edge and bent the edge.

He reminds me of Von Miller.

And then I see Reggie White, how he just had pure power.

He just, he just getting on the edge and he gonna hump you.

You already know what's coming.

You can sit down as much as you want to.

You 330 and try to sit on it.

You gonna get humped.

He's gonna throw a 330-pound man like he's a sack of potatoes.

And then you get a guy like a Bruce Smith that's 265, 270, all out like a Miles Garrett, playing on a five technique.

And you're like, bro, how this man bend the edge like that?

How can he lean?

He's this high off the ground, Rashad.

I'm like, how?

How does he do that?

I'm watching you.

You got a lot of power.

I see the way you're built from waist down and the way you can post a guy,

wax on, wax him off.

You can also bend the edge.

As you mentioned, you can convert speed to power because you can.

It's all about getting off the ball.

Once I get off the ball, you at my mercy, bro.

As long as I'm not lazy off the ball,

barbecue.

Hey, it's gonna be a good night.

You absolutely be right.

So, let me ask you a question: a lot of guys will listen to the TV version.

They'll get the TV version and they'll try to pick up the quarterback's cadence.

Blues 17, blues 17.

Ready said,

do you do things like that?

Try to pick up the audio copy, try to pick up the field copy?

Yeah, absolutely.

Shoot, I'm in the, you know, the quarterback.

I'm into the quarterback cadence.

I'm also into, I'm heavy on the office and line talk.

The office and line is going to tell you everything.

It's going to let you know if it's a run.

You know, how loud they communicate.

How you sitting.

How they sitting, eyes, body language.

Yeah, I'm into it all, but especially once I hear the office and linemen, you know, talking, they kind of be able to, you know,

for my reason everything i'm kind of able to pick it up and play faster especially when you at home because it's hard for them to hear so they've got to communicate and as much as he's trying to look at you he got to look but now they kind of hold hands a little bit but he's still got to kind of look inside and hey all you all you need is a all you need is a half a step that's all you need it ain't no ain't no look these guys are good you ain't just finna just beat these guys but that half a step that you get that you get on the edge and once you get them shoulders hey once he turn

telling bro you're not finna ride me up the field i'm finna get skinny and i'm gonna get narrow

to get the quarterback on the ground yes sir

so uh and uh before the 2019 draft you funded your own sports agency the rashaungary sports what inspired you to do something like this

Going to Michigan, being able to sit in, you know, our Ross Business School, I had a couple of classes.

I was blessed and fortunate to have a couple of classes in there.

And just, you know, actually talk about, you know, business models, marketing.

I actually got to, you know, talk about life after football.

And it's something that, you know, I really never thought about.

And I'm like, you know, we could be real.

No, football is the biggest thing.

This is not going to stop.

It's only going to get bigger and bigger and keep growing and growing.

So I'm like, you know, when I get old and then when I do hang my cleats up, you know, how can I, you know, stay around, you know, the game, you know, give the game to young guys, especially in positions where, you know, I wish I would have had growing up.

And then also to leave a legacy, you know, for my kids, kids, and hopefully their kids.

So he's just trying to build it, become a powerhouse.

I like that.

That's dope.

That's dope.

That's the market.

Rashad,

you do realize that division you in.

You got the Packers.

They won 14 games last year.

You got the Lions.

They won 15 games last year.

You got the Bears, and many believe they're much improved with the addition as Ben Johnson as their head coach.

They've added pieces on the offensive line to protect Caleb Williams.

Defense seemed to be flying around under new DC, Dennis Allen and yourself, the Packers, you guys made the playoff.

Jordan Love had the surgery on his left hand, but hey, everybody say he's good to go.

What does the Packers need to do to win this division, get a home game, and say, hey, let whatever happens happen after that?

We got to go out there and we just got to play Packers ball.

Like I said, we've been going it from OTAs through camp.

I'm talking about uh even finishing the pregame i mean preseason on the high note um you know we just got to keep everything flowing like i said um especially on defense um we've been speaking the same language i've been seeing the offense you know do they thing connecting even the special teams you know the guy is flying down um understand that's a very crucial part and uh important part of the game so all we got to do is be consistent you know and have the mindset to go one to no every week

Let me ask you this.

At practice, do you,

if you see something from like your offensive line, like, bro, that's a tale.

I can tell when you run the ball.

I tell when you passing the ball.

I can tell how you're trying to set me up.

Do you guys communicate like that?

Do they tell you, hey, Rashawn, bro,

you gave this move away.

Do you guys communicate like that with one another?

Oh, yeah, that's iron sharpen iron, especially when I'm trying to work on something.

I'm big on that.

I'm talking about both of my tackles coming to me.

Like, what bother you?

So, of course, I'm going to tell them everything I don't like to do so I can work on it in practice and vice versa.

Um, you know, me working on certain moves, okay, you telegraphed that, man.

If you would have sold it up an extra set, you feel me, or oh, you got me on that move.

I'm like, all right, you know, keep working things like that.

But yeah, it's iron stripe and iron practice.

And me withholding information for season, that's not going to better the team.

So, I'd rather make it hard on me now.

So, for the guys that do give it away in season, I can play a little bit faster.

Oh, man, that's great.

Man, thank you, Rashawn, for joining us, man.

Stay healthy.

Best of luck.

Hey, this year, you was what?

Hold on, let me find out where you you were.

You were number 80.

Man, you dropped 50, you dialed 30 spots.

So when we come back and have this conversation next week, next year, you got to be in the top 30.

You got to be 30 above.

Well, 30 or below.

It's going to be great talking to you, Jane.

Thank you, bro.

Best of luck.

Stay healthy.

Good luck to the Packers this season.

And we're going to talk to you down the road.

Appreciate y'all.

Thank you.

It's an honor.

Appreciate you, bro.

Have a good one.

All right.

Rashawn Gary, ladies and gentlemen.

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