BEST OF NFL Preseason Week 3 Part 1: Shedeur Sanders Sabotaged? + Shilo dropped from Bucs

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Speaker 19 Ocho, but first, should do our final final preseason game. He was three of six, 14 yards, 41 yards lost on five sacks.

Speaker 19 I know you watched this game as I did. I want to hear what you have to say first.

Speaker 20 Well, first of all, listen, Doris Sanders didn't play bad. Chat, those that follow me on Twitter, you happy? There it is.

Speaker 20 He didn't play well. He didn't play well.

Speaker 20 He played bad. Obviously, he stuck it up.

Speaker 19 But

Speaker 20 let me clarify why he

Speaker 19 offers some insight.

Speaker 20 Let me give you a little insight.

Speaker 20 So he comes in in the third quarter. Am I correct, Unc? It was the third quarter.

Speaker 19 About then. Okay, boom.

Speaker 20 So the players that are playing in the third quarter,

Speaker 20 excuse me if I'm wrong. You can do your homework.
Will those players make the 53-man roster, Unc?

Speaker 19 A lot of them will not.

Speaker 20 A lot of them will not make the 53-man roster. Exactly.
So again, I'm all for quarterback competition.

Speaker 20 But if you're going to put him in a situation that is not advantageous to him and competing at a high level, boom. Let's give him a chance.
Let's give him a chance with the play calling.

Speaker 20 You know you have an offensive line that isn't playing that well. So what do we do?

Speaker 20 Why not just play the short game so we can get the ball out of his hands very fast to run a competent goddamn offense.

Speaker 20 Purposely running plays that are 10, 12, 15 yard routes, knowing damn well the goddamn offensive line is not going to be able to hold up is ridiculous. It's clear.

Speaker 20 I played football for a very long time. I played in the NFL at a very high level for a very, very long time.

Speaker 20 I understand in a situation like that, when it comes to the threes and fours that you're playing with that aren't going to be, that aren't going to be on the squad and not going to make the team give your quarterback a chance.

Speaker 20 Okay, you know what? You know they can't hold up that long. Let's play quick game.
Let's play quick game just against Shador in the goddamn rhythm.

Speaker 20 But no, you come out calling regular offensive plays that are very long, damn near play action damn near play action if he was under center knowing they take a while to develop knowing good and goddamn well the o-line and the people you have out there right now are not going to be able to hold up outside of that shoulder has to be better in understanding that the offensive line that you're working with right now is not adequate get the ball out your hands get the ball that you hand but he's holding the ball for one reason he's holding the ball because the goddamn players aren't open

Speaker 20 he's waiting for things to develop which is why he's holding the ball and trying to make something happen by holding on to it, by scrambling, moving, obviously running out of area, running out of real estate, and being sacked.

Speaker 20 I'm not sure what game you guys are watching. Again, I state Shadura did play bad.
He did.

Speaker 20 But why he played bad is clear as day if you understand the game of football and what he had to work with.

Speaker 20 Kevin Safanski not letting Shadura come back in the game to finish the two-minute drill.

Speaker 20 Oh, I've never seen that before.

Speaker 20 I've never in my never in my life, ever have seen anything like that before. What are we doing?

Speaker 20 What are we doing? No disrespect to Snoop Huntley. Snoop is probably not going to be on the team.
He's probably not going to be on the team. So I'm not sure what you were waiting to look.

Speaker 20 Snoop was on the team simply because quarterbacks were injured. So they brought in the extra body.
Why not allow the players that are competing for a job?

Speaker 20 In this instance, Shador Sanders, to finish off the two-minute drill

Speaker 20 agreed what what what what are we doing who makes that call he makes that call why because i want the last thing people to see i want the last people let the last thing for people to remember

Speaker 20 is the mistakes and the sacks that happen and not give him a chance to redeem himself because i think probably what would happen okay we can't have shador come in here and finish this two-minute drive and go down and and get a touchdown we don't want that so we're going to leave him on the the sideline so these are bad tastes in those mouths so now there's nothing that they can say there's nothing that they can say because now you got a small sample size of him playing with people that are probably not going to be on the team and their body on twitter can say

Speaker 20 former

Speaker 20 man come on man but okay i i can't wait to hear your piece and in in chat for those you who are listening and watching i'm not making any excuses for him he played bad he played bad but i can tell you why he played bad I mean, if you know the game of football and understand the game of football, understand that those that are in there with him during that time, I'm not going to be able to see.

Speaker 20 Go ahead, man.

Speaker 19 I agree with everything you said.

Speaker 19 He did play bad. And

Speaker 19 you and I, we come out here and we on, we're on, we talk four or five nights a week, sometimes six nights a week. We've gone six straight nights, we've gone nine straight days before.

Speaker 19 And what we do, we tell it like it is, T-I-S. Like my grandma says, boy, tell it like it T-I-S T is.
is. We tell it like it is.
Shadur did not play well today. He played awful.

Speaker 19 Everything that you said is true. Shadur, you know this offensive line is not competent enough to give you protection.
And I understand it says, oh, Cho, I'm in competition.

Speaker 19 I saw what Dylan Gabriel did with the guys that's probably going to be on the team. I'm trying to match that.

Speaker 19 But what happened is that they didn't give him the necessary pieces in order to match this. If you want me to fight, if you want me to win a war, give me the weapons.

Speaker 19 You can't expect me to win a modern war with muskets and cannons.

Speaker 19 They use drones now, they use stuff with precision, pinpoint accuracy. So you're expecting me to win a modern game and you're giving me old time.
That won't work.

Speaker 19 So Shadur has to do a better job of getting the ball out of his hands. Oh, Joe, he has some time.
It's okay. Coach, hey, that ain't my game.
That's Lamar Jackson.

Speaker 19 That's

Speaker 19 Josh Allen. That's Jalen Hurts.
That's their game. Buying time like that.
Shadur has in a pocket. He can move side to side, but

Speaker 19 he doesn't have that ability, that escapability

Speaker 19 like these other quarterbacks, like I put like the board mentioned, I mentioned.

Speaker 19 I don't understand

Speaker 19 why you would let Snoop Huntley take the two minute unless he's going to be one of the four quarterbacks that's going to be on your roster. You give that to Shadur.

Speaker 19 I agree with what you said because you said, look, we've seen guys play bad, be great in the two-minute drill, and you forget they played bad the entirety of the game.

Speaker 19 I don't know what's inside Kevin Stefanski head.

Speaker 19 Maybe he's like, hey, I wanted Snoop, you know,

Speaker 19 we're going to end up releasing him. And, you know, we wanted him to go.
Look, Snoop Huntley's been in the league four or five years.

Speaker 19 He started several games with the Ravens when Lamar Jackson would hurt. Hell, he started

Speaker 19 a postseason game. So this notion that

Speaker 19 you doing him some type of favor when the man has been in the league four or five years, he started six, seven games in his career, he started a postseason game

Speaker 19 is just disingenuous. With all that being said, I agree the offensive line wasn't very good.
And the one thing that a coach used to always tell me, he say, son, Don't make a bad play worse.

Speaker 19 You see your offensive line break down Shador, don't make a bad play worse. Don't run around and lose five.
Don't lose 10. He got sacked five.
He got sacked five times, lost 41 yards.

Speaker 19 Fumble the ball. Come on.
You got to be better than that. And I understand when you're in competition, Ocho, I'm trying to compete.

Speaker 19 So I'm going to scratch, claw, and do whatever I think is necessary that's going to help me put me in an advantageous situation so I can compete, so I can win.

Speaker 19 But

Speaker 19 I don't get

Speaker 19 what they did, why they did it.

Speaker 19 Some things is offered without explanation. Some things you and I can't explain.
Even though

Speaker 19 with the 30-plus years between us of NFL experience and the number of Pro Bowls and all pros, both of us are in our team's respective ring of fame. Some things we just can't answer because we...

Speaker 19 is not in Kevin Stefanski's heads. We don't.

Speaker 19 Here it is, Ocho. Here's Kevin Stefanski not letting Shadur run the two-minute drill

Speaker 19 at the end of the game with the Browns. Let's take a look at what he had to say.

Speaker 21 Kevin, it was obviously a bit of a rough second half for Shador and the Browns and the entire Browns offense, but like, why don't you keep hitting him for a two-minute drill?

Speaker 21 Why did you decide to put the top one?

Speaker 22 Yeah, obviously, we didn't play great as an offense in the second half. That's never on one person.
So

Speaker 22 we can be better in a bunch of areas and just felt like we wanted to give Snoop a last draft.

Speaker 21 Did Shador have something wrong with him after the the game?

Speaker 20 Yeah,

Speaker 19 he's good.

Speaker 20 He walked up to you after taking his walk down to the pylon, and then he walked back up to you on the sidelines before

Speaker 23 Snoop went in, and he said something to you. You shook your head.
I mean, was he trying to get back in?

Speaker 21 He's a competitive kid.

Speaker 22 The plan was to go with Snoop there,

Speaker 19 but I wouldn't make any more of it than that.

Speaker 19 Yeah, he's like, Coach,

Speaker 19 let me get this last one. Give me an opportunity.
Now we we're going to take a look at this. They know what they're doing.

Speaker 20 They know what they're doing. Listen, a blind man can see that.
A blind man can see that. Again, for those of you in the chat,

Speaker 20 listen, I'm not taking it for him. I'm going to say it again.

Speaker 20 And I reiterate it.

Speaker 20 Shador Sanders played bad.

Speaker 20 Based on the circumstances and the situation he was put in. and the weapons around him and the almost the line that he had to deal with that probably won't be on the 53-man roster.

Speaker 20 That's exactly what you would look like. You could have put Tom Brady out there

Speaker 20 with that offensive line, he would have looked the exact same way. You could have put Patrick Mahomes out there with that offensive line in that third quarter, the second half,

Speaker 20 he would have looked the exact same way. Kevin Stefanski saying, We didn't play well in the second half.
Well, yeah, I mean, obviously.

Speaker 19 You didn't call plays well in the second half. This is what Derrick Carr had to say.
I need to understand why

Speaker 19 we don't get to see Shadur run this two-minute drill.

Speaker 19 Wouldn't you want to see your young quarterback operate in this situation, get him more reps for the future? I didn't see the whole game, so maybe he already showed enough. Help me understand this.

Speaker 19 Jerome Aiten Rup, so Kevin Stefanski gives Dylan Gabriel easy short throws with max protection, and then give Shadur bulljive plays with an old line that looked like they just ate a gang of little Debbies.

Speaker 19 F you, Browns, trade Shadura.

Speaker 20 Did you hear the key word?

Speaker 20 As soon as I stated that he played well, and the first thing I said, what you just read, he gave Dylan Gabriel short throws to get himself in rhythm to get the ball out of his hands.

Speaker 20 And then in the second half, the play calls were much longer routes that took time to develop, and they know good and well that the offensive line wouldn't be able to hold it up.

Speaker 20 The only reason a quarterback holds onto the ball, sometimes it's coverage sacks, sometimes it's waiting for receivers to get downfield for routes to develop.

Speaker 20 And they know good and well, like, you know, good and well, it wasn't going to work.

Speaker 20 You have an NFL quarterback, an experienced quarterback that's pointing it out. Exactly what I said.
I didn't even know it. I didn't even know Derek Carr tweeted that.

Speaker 20 I didn't even know. But I'm just sitting here watching them like, what are we doing?

Speaker 20 What are we doing

Speaker 20 as a coach, as a head coach, as a coaching staff? I mean, if you, if it's a quarterback competition, put the players in advantageous situations and give them a chance to succeed.

Speaker 20 It's simple, it's something like you would do on Sunday when Joe Flacco goes out there week one against the Cincinnati Bengals, they're going to put him in positions to succeed

Speaker 20 every quarter, every down.

Speaker 20 It is just the way the game is played.

Speaker 20 You play to win the game.

Speaker 20 I mean,

Speaker 20 I don't understand.

Speaker 20 I don't understand.

Speaker 19 Mike Hill.

Speaker 19 Mike Hill, I hope Shadur will eventually end up on a good roster with a coach who wants and believes in him.

Speaker 19 It's so obvious this league and even the Browns, in a sense, have been trying to send a message to him

Speaker 19 since the draft, and it's downright disgusting.

Speaker 19 Like I said,

Speaker 19 I co-sign. I agree with everything that you said.

Speaker 19 The play was not adequate enough, and Shadur has to get to a point in time. That's always been his knock.
We said this when he was in college, he holds on to the ball too long.

Speaker 19 You're not going to make every play.

Speaker 19 The sooner he gets that in his head, the sooner he comes to that realization, the better off he's going to be. Do not make a bad play worse.

Speaker 19 Ocho, if you, the worst thing you could do, ocho, if I run a

Speaker 19 wrong route, is drop the ball when he throws it to me. Damn, son, the least you can do is catch it.

Speaker 19 You have up to play you're someplace you're not supposed to be.

Speaker 19 Son,

Speaker 19 if you jump offside, son, just go. Just go ahead.
Maybe they missed it, but don't make a bad play worse.

Speaker 19 And

Speaker 19 you block the wrong guy, and then you end up holding. Well, damn, son.

Speaker 19 Shador, just speed your process up. Yes, the offensive line wasn't adequate.
Yes, the receivers.

Speaker 19 Give him the plays that you gave him against Carolina. Let him get the ball out of his hands.
Let him let,

Speaker 19 in a situation like that,

Speaker 19 you let the offense, you let the receivers help you. You put the ball in their hands and says, okay, son, go get four, five yards out the catch.

Speaker 19 As opposed to taking a five-step drop and trying to push the ball down the field. That is my synopsis of what I saw.

Speaker 19 Hopefully now, Joe, hopefully, preseasons is over.

Speaker 19 We can stop having these conversations. Joe Flacco is the starting quarterback.
Now we need to stop asking these questions. When are we going to see Shador? Because you're not going to see Joe Flacco.

Speaker 19 Something happens to him. If they keep four quarterbacks, it's going to be Joe Flacco.
It's going to probably be, I don't know. Hell, the way it looks, looked like Dylan Gabriel might be two now.

Speaker 19 Kenny Pickett might be three.

Speaker 20 And you know what also,

Speaker 20 I'm not saying it scares me, but it worries me.

Speaker 20 If they've already made a decision, if their mind is already made up as an organization, as a head coach, has them coming out and saying what he said two weeks ago about the pick not being his and Andrew Berry standing by his side and standing by his pick.

Speaker 20 And for Andrew Berry to have to witness what he saw today, someone that is very intelligent, very intelligent to be in a position of power that he's in and to witness what he witnessed today.

Speaker 20 I'm thinking also if the decision's already been made to release Shador or to cut him in any way, shape, form, or fashion, what scares me is him going to another team.

Speaker 20 And will the team be willing to be able to deal with someone with the last name Sanders that brings a kind of tension to a team that he does and he's not even a starting quarterback.

Speaker 20 You understand what I'm saying? Because

Speaker 20 that brings a totally different dynamic to a team where it takes away from

Speaker 20 whoever the starting quarterback is being Shadur now coming in and being on that team.

Speaker 20 You get what I'm going with it? Now it's that

Speaker 20 he didn't create, but it just come with the Sanders last name in general.

Speaker 19 That's a lot of oxygen being taken up out of the room for a guy that's not playing. That's what you're saying.

Speaker 19 The Browns' general manager, Andrew Berry, told the NFL network: keeping four quarterbacks, not much of a decision. We have a room that we like and all the guys in there.

Speaker 19 We don't really see that as a problem.

Speaker 19 We more see it as an opportunity. Ocho, my thing is, why are you keeping four quarterbacks when clearly one of the quarterbacks you don't actually believe in?

Speaker 20 I know, I know Andrew Berry and Mr. Hassam, I know they be going at it, boy.

Speaker 19 Because it's not like there's sentimentality. Sometimes, Ocho, we hold on to things that have sentimental value to us.
Oh, man, Ocho, I had this thing so long, I just can't let it go. You know, but

Speaker 19 when there's no sentimentality to it, there's no attachment to it. You just drafted a guy.
You drafted a guy in the fifth round. Why are you holding on to it?

Speaker 19 If you believe he was that good, you would have given him a better opportunity to show you what he can do. From what I could deduce and from what I've read,

Speaker 19 I've never read anything or saw anything that Shador Sanders took reps with the ones or the twos, except

Speaker 19 when Gabriel got hurt and then he took that, they were playing that Friday and he took reps to that Wednesday and Thursday. Other than that, excuse me.

Speaker 19 Prior to that, there was not a situation where I read what Mary Kay Cabot was writing and I read what others had written that I saw that Shador Sanders had taken rough with the ones and twos.

Speaker 19 So if he's not taking ones and twos, and you would think after what he did in the Carolina game, that's normally what happens, chat.

Speaker 19 I'm telling you what normally happens when a guy, if he's down on the depth chart and he plays good in a preseason game, they normally come in and that practice back, he's like, I want to see what the guy can do with the ones and the twos.

Speaker 19 No matter the position, be it quarterback, running back, wide receiver, O-line, D-line, linebacker, cornerback. I'm telling you, that's normally how it works.

Speaker 19 You're talking to a guy that was in a very similar situation, and y'all say, Well, you always inserting yourself. I'm inserting myself because I'm telling you, I was in a situation like Shadur.

Speaker 19 He was a fifth rounder. I was a seventh rounder.
I was like sixth and seventh on the depth chart. So I played good in the preseason game, Mojo.
Guess what? Next thing I know, hey.

Speaker 19 At the time, I was 81 sharp,

Speaker 19 cool with the

Speaker 19 backup quarterback, and he called me Greasy. He said, Greasy, they put you with the ones and the twos today.
So, hey, make sure you're ready. You need to know anything, ask me.

Speaker 19 I don't know why, but Seven and Coobe always took a liking to me. They always took a liking to me.
Cool, we come into the game and practice, Ocho. He's like, Greasy, you know what you got?

Speaker 19 I said, nah, not really. He said, you got X, Y, blah, blah, blah.
Yeah, I'm telling you,

Speaker 19 just like this. He said, Greasy, look, it's going to be cover two.
Take the hole. Greasy, it's going to be, it's going to be single house safety.
Run to seven. It's going to be this.
Hook it up.

Speaker 19 15 yards, hook it up. Show me your letters.
I'm going to get you the ball. Hey, let's go.
Let's go make some money today.

Speaker 19 He was always like that in my ear. So it gave me confidence that, damn, this man, he don't, hey, I'm a rookie and he's helping me.
He's working with me. Hey,

Speaker 19 seven with the exact same way.

Speaker 19 But once I played good in the game with him, guess what? Now I come back on Monday, Ocho,

Speaker 19 I went to twos.

Speaker 19 I didn't get into the fourth quarter because they want to see what you can do with the starters. Okay, if he did this with some backups, let's see if we put it with the one and twos.

Speaker 19 Let's see if he can do that again. Maybe it was because he's going against guys that's not going to be there, but let's see if he can compete.

Speaker 19 against guys that we know are going to be there on Sunday. So this is a very similar situation with Shadur.

Speaker 19 I would have thought, you would have thought, because we had this conversation, oh, Joe, he's going to get some reference to do something.

Speaker 20 So

Speaker 20 we thought based on our experience and what happens when you play well. But listen, outside of that, Joe Flacco, that boy looked good.
He looked good. Dylan Gabriel came in.

Speaker 20 God damn, Dylan Gabriel looked good, very efficient. Passes coming out.
Everything sharp. Went down, touched down.

Speaker 20 And then, you know, obviously 12 didn't play good today. He didn't.

Speaker 20 And I've said it over and over for those in the chat i know we we have our shadur haters who do who don't who don't like him he didn't play well you can you hear me but and most of those most of those that are hating too on they they don't they don't they don't watch football they don't understand football they don't want to understand the ins and outs and what

Speaker 19 the intricacies of football they don't know

Speaker 19 that you understand that played the game exactly understand

Speaker 20 the nuance like this and we see it we see it clear as day but they just on it oh he played bad. He's ass.
He's sucked. He's the fifth rounder.
He's not that good.

Speaker 20 Well, of course, yes, based on what you saw today.

Speaker 20 But we're trying to tell you why it looked that way. But that's neither here nor there.
It is what it is. They made their decision.
They had to lie in the bed with it. So listen,

Speaker 20 I'm happy for them.

Speaker 19 This is why I watch the game with no sound.

Speaker 19 I don't want someone to contaminate my mind and I regurgitate what somebody else said.

Speaker 19 Also, the reason why I watch fans are only interested in the end result.

Speaker 19 I'm trying to figure out why we got said result. It's not good enough that they scored a touchdown.
I need to know why. Let me see the formation.
Let me see what the guy did.

Speaker 19 Let me see the defensive coverage. Was it just a great route? Did he just beat? Sometimes, Ocho, you just beat the guy.

Speaker 19 And that's okay. You get paid.
He gets paid. Sometimes Ocho just going to win because Ocho was just the better player.
Sometimes the defensive back is going to win.

Speaker 19 He wins some, you win more than you lose. Sometimes, who blew the assignment? Was it the safety?

Speaker 19 Was he getting greedy, paying attention to the tight end on the over when he should have been deep middle?

Speaker 19 Did the corner,

Speaker 19 why did he, did he not, did he not shovel the receiver down inside and sink? Why was he still so far? Why was he so close up when there's nothing to threaten the flat? I'm analyzing all of that.

Speaker 19 It's just not good enough for me to know that they scored. I'm trying to see why they scored.

Speaker 19 And then I'm going to tell you based on my experience, having played the game, having studied the game, this is what I think happened.

Speaker 19 So, Ocho and I, what we're trying to do, we're not making excuses for Shadur. Shadur has to do a better job of not making a bad situation worse.

Speaker 20 Hey, I was so confused tonight too, Uncle. Let me, let me tell you something.

Speaker 20 I really, I really do this. And I've watched the game for a long time.
So I thought maybe I'm tripping. Maybe I'm tripping based on what I'm seeing.

Speaker 20 And maybe I'm not seeing it correctly. Hell, I picked up the phone.
I called TJ. I call who, I call Hoosh.

Speaker 20 And I'm like, whoosh,

Speaker 20 am I tripping? Or did I see what I thought I just saw when 12 winning the game? He's like, yeah.

Speaker 20 Yeah.

Speaker 20 You could tell that was a bunch of, you know, what, you know, TJ, TJ don't care. He just, he just go off.

Speaker 19 TJ run off

Speaker 20 the rock on the phone. Yeah.
Why would you put him in that situation? I say, okay, I just want to, if I heard it from you and I know how you, you know, how TJ, he's going to tell it like it is.

Speaker 20 He knows he don't care.

Speaker 20 And okay, I just want to make sure I wasn't tripping. I just want to make sure I wasn't

Speaker 20 hearing from another mouth that actually played the goddamn game. the receiver position that also knows the game extremely well all the intricacies that come with it.

Speaker 20 Okay, boom, I know I wasn't tripping.

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Speaker 19 Oh Joe, Shiloh Sanders was ejected after throwing a punch at Bill's tight end, Zach Davison. Should he have been ejected?

Speaker 20 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. You can't do that.
You got to be able to control yourself, especially in that moment. I know the tight end, you know, they was locked up a little bit.

Speaker 20 He was probably trying to rough hide them a little bit, but you have to be able to control yourself.

Speaker 20 You got to be able to control your emotions, especially in moments like that, especially in a game, especially in a game. So, you know, you have no choice.
If you throw a punch, if anything,

Speaker 20 if your arm extends and it touches the other individual,

Speaker 20 you're going out the game.

Speaker 19 Ocho, he in the open field. That's not like an offensive and defensive lineman, Ocho.
You in the pile and can't nobody see you trying to hit the guy. Oh, Joe,

Speaker 19 the the back judge of the side judge that was you standing right there they're right there

Speaker 20 you know sometimes you got players that'll provoke you sometimes

Speaker 20 yeah they're always going to see the person that that swings last they're not seeing they never see who initiated but they're going to always see the person who swings last so you gotta be able to i ain't trying i ain't trying to get you back in front of the ref

Speaker 19 I'm gonna try to get you back when you ain't thinking about it. Because if I do something, then you brace it.
All you're gonna do is turn to the ref. You see Ref? He did the age, start.

Speaker 19 Hey, Ref, you see what 84 did? You see what he did? Don't worry about it. I'm going to get you back.
It's going to look like a place.

Speaker 19 I'm going to get your ass back. Yeah.

Speaker 19 Or I'm going to get your teammate.

Speaker 20 Somebody going to get it.

Speaker 19 Somebody going to get God.

Speaker 19 That got your color uniform on. He ain't had nothing to do with it, but that's your teammate.
Hey, y'all know how it is.

Speaker 19 Hey, I'm going to get you with somebody that's related to you.

Speaker 19 Yeah, but

Speaker 19 I agree with you, Ocho. Shiloh knows better.
Shiloh knows he can't do a situation like that. Bro, you can't hurt.

Speaker 19 He got on a helmet. So let's just say, for the sake of you hit him.
Okay, you hit him in the head. Oh, what happened? You break your hand.

Speaker 19 You're going to get a penalty. In this situation, you got tossed.
Now, even if you do rate the rock, you do know when you get thrown out of the game, Ocho. You know, that's like

Speaker 19 $20,000, $30,000. So here it let's just say for the sake of argument oh yeah yeah how much is a an ejection in the football game it's like 25 30 000 not that much

Speaker 20 yeah the hell you say uh my my goddamn celebrations were 25 30 000 i know they ain't but you stayed in the game

Speaker 20 you did your celebration they call you to get tossed out of a game yeah i'm curious how much is an ejection especially a first-time offense too

Speaker 20 They're going to take all that into account.

Speaker 19 Actually, like 32,000.

Speaker 20 They're going to let him appeal that. They're going to let him appeal that.

Speaker 19 They'll let him appeal it.

Speaker 20 First-time offense too. They're going to be like,

Speaker 19 who you appealing to?

Speaker 19 So let me ask you a question.

Speaker 20 Is Mert Hanks still? Merton Hanks?

Speaker 19 Nah, I think it's Brooks. Derek Brooks, James Thrash, and John Runyon.
So Brooks and Thrash, and then Runyon is over.

Speaker 20 James James Thrash, James Thrash.

Speaker 20 Oh, goddamn James Thrash. What?

Speaker 20 Hey, wait, Derek Brooks, you talk about

Speaker 19 fighting.

Speaker 19 He threw a punch.

Speaker 19 Yeah.

Speaker 19 40 for fighting.

Speaker 20 Hey, hold on. You said Derek Brooks.
What's about double nickel?

Speaker 19 Yeah. Okay.

Speaker 20 I didn't know that. Man,

Speaker 20 they're going to take care of him. They're going to take him.

Speaker 19 I mean, Brooks and Trash, they're very friendly, but some things.

Speaker 20 Yeah, I know.

Speaker 19 Yeah.

Speaker 19 Physical contact with an official is $40,000. A second offense is $81,000.

Speaker 19 Verbal or non-physical offense against official. So if you're cursing or something, that's $32,000.
Next one.

Speaker 19 Fighting. $40,000 for the first offense.
$40,686.

Speaker 19 A second offense is $81,000.

Speaker 19 So

Speaker 19 unsportsmanlike conduct.

Speaker 19 I don't, you know what? Maybe they label it unsportsmanlike conduct.

Speaker 20 Okay, maybe.

Speaker 19 But what did they call it during the game? What did they say during the game?

Speaker 19 Because if you throw a ball into the stands, that's $8,100, Ocho.

Speaker 20 But you play.

Speaker 20 Still,

Speaker 19 I know. I ain't throw one.

Speaker 19 Chin strap, shoulder pads, thigh, knee pads, that's $5, that's $5,800.

Speaker 19 Unapproved visor or tent, lack of brand marks, $5,700. Personal messages, about $11,500.

Speaker 20 Damn.

Speaker 19 Gang signs. Ooh.

Speaker 20 Gang sign.

Speaker 19 Don't do that. Don't do that.

Speaker 19 That's all I got for you, Ocho.

Speaker 20 Hey, what? Hey, that's a gang sign, too.

Speaker 19 Hey, that's all I got. That's all I got for you.
But I just say, look, the emotions got the best of him. You know, you fighting for a roster spot.

Speaker 19 I don't know what, like I said, I don't know what happened. I just, you know,

Speaker 19 saw the steel shots of it.

Speaker 19 So I don't know if he did this or he did that.

Speaker 20 Blocking him all the way down the field. It seemed like he, you know, obviously tight end came off, got got up on the safety, and they just keep trying to drive him back, drive him back.

Speaker 19 And I'm assuming he tried to dump him. He tried, yeah, he tried to dump it.

Speaker 20 Yeah, that's all.

Speaker 20 A little rough house.

Speaker 19 And

Speaker 19 we find out what they, what they call it in the game.

Speaker 19 And, you know,

Speaker 19 you just got to be smart in a situation like that because you are fighting for a position.

Speaker 19 You don't want to do anything that costs you position. But, you know, hey, I trust me.
Sometimes when emotion is high, logic is low

Speaker 19 um

Speaker 19 we've all done things that like we look back at like man why the hell i do that

Speaker 19 why

Speaker 19 and shador probably like as he's walking to the tunnel like

Speaker 19 everybody shador excuse me shallow everybody's gonna get got If you play long enough, somebody gonna get you with a block, somebody going to pancake you, somebody going to route your ass up, you going to get got.

Speaker 19 It's like being in the NBA. You're going to get dunked on.
You play long enough, you're going to get dunked on.

Speaker 19 I don't care. Excuse me.
I don't care who you are. You're going to get got.

Speaker 19 Offensive lineman going to get beat. He's going to get run over.
Defensive lineman going to get blocked. He going to get pancaked.
Quarterback going to get hit.

Speaker 19 All that's going to happen because it's the game of football. And And those guys are really good that you're going against.
They're really good.

Speaker 19 I know you're really good, also, but they're really good. And somebody that's really good can make somebody else that's really good look bad.

Speaker 19 I don't think people realize. People just think that, oh, he's such and such.
He's supposed to win all the time. No, hell, you not.

Speaker 19 No.

Speaker 19 Even Barry Bonds, he didn't strike out often, but he did strike out. Tony Gwynn didn't strike out often, but he did strike out.
He did get nobody. Hit 500, hit 600, 700.
So obviously.

Speaker 19 But, you know,

Speaker 19 I ain't really never got that mad on you.

Speaker 19 Not in the game. I mean, somebody, have somebody done some dirty stuff? Yeah.
Yeah. And I got their ass back.

Speaker 20 I mean, I'm trying to think. I ever.

Speaker 20 Only time I was about to fight, I went out for the beat Ray's ass. That's it.

Speaker 20 You heard me?

Speaker 20 You're going to beat Ray? I'm confident, man. I'm out for the beat Ray all up and down M ⁇ T Bank Stadium.

Speaker 20 He lucky Ed Reed grabbed me, boy.

Speaker 20 I was feeling good that day, too.

Speaker 19 Oh, you feeling? Yeah, I was feeling good.

Speaker 20 I was feeling good.

Speaker 20 He ain't even know. Ray ain't even know.
Like, he hit me right.

Speaker 20 Okay.

Speaker 19 Okay. Go ahead.
What'd you say on the bottom? Ray hit me.

Speaker 20 I went for the slant. It was too high.

Speaker 20 I know, i saw it and listen my helmet went flying so once i got my helmet

Speaker 20 once i got my helmet and i was getting ready to walk up on him and he knew i was gonna hit him in the stomach so you know when you hit somebody in the stomach the first thing they do is they go they they bend down

Speaker 19 and then you'll catch him with an uppercut

Speaker 20 yeah and so i mean listen by man boy i'll tell you what i would have that that 52 would have been 25 when i was done with ray that day boy

Speaker 19 i don't think you had i don't think you you had all your bearings i think i mean i think you were i think you was about to be the headless foot the headless football player because i thought your head was in that hill it was it was

Speaker 20 it was

Speaker 20 you want to get his work though

Speaker 20 hey hey that's that's one of that's one of the things i miss though um like oh i know i play around a lot i make a lot of jokes i'm always laughing and stuff what you miss being able to compete not against anybody

Speaker 20 i'm talking about being able to compete against those steeler teams with Ike Taylor and James Harrison and Larry Foot and Joey Porter.

Speaker 19 Oh, man.

Speaker 19 Yeah, I thought you were going to say

Speaker 19 you miss getting hit.

Speaker 20 I don't mind that either. And listen, you know,

Speaker 20 I was like Gumby, Uncle. I ain't care nothing about that getting hit.

Speaker 20 I got up from every single hit except one.

Speaker 20 11 years, one hit.

Speaker 20 I didn't get up. That was it.

Speaker 19 When you pop up fast, they know they got you.

Speaker 20 Now, you know, I pop up fast talking trash though every time

Speaker 20 it was some good days man i missed playing them ravens man them defenses man

Speaker 20 dog that that was such a joy such a joy because you had no you had no choice but to show up huh

Speaker 20 yeah there's no weakness there was no weakness nowhere nowhere yeah

Speaker 19 division games are always good

Speaker 20 Second level was good. Secondary was good.
And here go my crazy.

Speaker 20 I'm talking trash all week long to take all the pressure off of everybody else on our team. So, all the pressure was on me.
Now, all y'all got to do is just go out there and just do your job.

Speaker 19 Nah, because they're cheap shotting everybody, man. Why are you cheap? Man, because tell Sharp to say, Shut up,

Speaker 19 okay, man. Sharp, leave alone.
You ain't got to block him. Well, you need to block better.

Speaker 20 Yeah, I enjoyed it that way, man. I don't know why, man.

Speaker 19 I know.

Speaker 19 Um,

Speaker 19 look,

Speaker 19 you know what? I

Speaker 19 I bet you Time called him from the, I bet you Time called Shiloh in the lottery room. Of course.

Speaker 20 Man,

Speaker 20 what is you doing, boy?

Speaker 19 That's exactly what. Come on, man.
What you doing?

Speaker 19 Really, son? You think, so let me ask you a question. You hit him.
You think you hurt him? You think there was a greater chance you hurt your own self or you hurt him? You could hurt him.

Speaker 19 You hurt your own self, your own team, or you hurt him or his team.

Speaker 19 Because that's how, you know, there's a

Speaker 19 i don't know if he like he ain't really no time ain't really no yellow he's more of a a talker

Speaker 19 and a stern and in a stern way to get his point across

Speaker 19 me i'm like bro what what what come what what are you doing really

Speaker 19 you thought that was your that was your answer

Speaker 19 the man the man the man done the man done drove you like a winnebago

Speaker 19 so now you mad because because you couldn't get him up off you.

Speaker 19 You take a swipe at it.

Speaker 20 Oh, man.

Speaker 19 Hey, Shiloh, you're going to get the weight room, bro. Them guys, them guys big, them tight ends.
Hey, you know, I was just strong, but I wasn't, you know, I was 228.

Speaker 19 Them guys now, them tight ends now, they 6'4, 6'5 ⁇ , 250, 260.

Speaker 19 Hey, you got to drop anger on them, Shiloh.

Speaker 19 Get the fuck me.

Speaker 19 The hell you think you you disease.

Speaker 20 No, and Prime got to be careful because Shiloh will hit him back. Well, you were the same one at their fight with Andre Rising.
So, how are you sitting here telling me about if I throw him buttons?

Speaker 20 You was out there, man.

Speaker 19 Time, I remember, man, I remember that. Like,

Speaker 19 he's like, he tried to show, he tried to show out in my house.

Speaker 19 You can't come to my house.

Speaker 20 I was going at it, boy.

Speaker 19 But they were going at it.

Speaker 19 I think Dre forgot that time was left-handed. He was,

Speaker 19 yeah, yeah, he was looking for the right, and Ty would kill it with the left.

Speaker 19 I think that's what happened. See, that will get you Ocho, because you think most of the time, and I think most people are right-handed.
What's the percentage of right-handed people?

Speaker 19 It ain't no 50-50 like a coin flip. It's got to be like 70-30,

Speaker 19 righty to lefty.

Speaker 19 And so you automatically assume somebody right-handed. And so you like, you looking for that right, and he just capped it upside your head with like, cop, cop, yeah.

Speaker 20 Madam boy were going.

Speaker 19 And see, the thing was, Tyre was smart. See, Tyre

Speaker 19 wasn't punching me. Tyre may want to break his hand.
Open, open.

Speaker 19 Ty was open-handed.

Speaker 19 But

Speaker 19 I think Shiloh learned. I mean, hey, you like, hey,

Speaker 19 hopefully he makes the squad and he can get the, because this thing could be on the practice squad, don't you?

Speaker 19 You ain't making 40,000 a week. They're going to take your first three weeks going to the NFL.
You're going to be all right.

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Speaker 19 the headlines the buccaneers informed rookie shilo sanders today that he's being waived his agent your rosenhaus robert bailey a former teammate of mine with the ravens added we're hoping he'd get claimed of waivers ojo yeah where do you think shilo will land you know what i'm not not sure where he will land.

Speaker 20 There's some teams out there that could use some depth, especially at the safety position.

Speaker 20 I'm not sure what the Bengals look like

Speaker 20 in the secondary.

Speaker 20 I think Steelers can add, the Saints can add to

Speaker 20 their secondary as well.

Speaker 20 He's going to get claimed. Where he gets claimed, I'm not sure where that would be yet.
Listen, for one, he has Austin representation of Robert Bailey and Drew Rosenhaus.

Speaker 20 Obviously, they represented me while I was playing

Speaker 20 during my tenure. So he will get picked up.
Where he gets picked up, I'm not sure, but he has the right person in his corner to make sure he gets another opportunity to play the game that he loves.

Speaker 19 Sometimes your last name can be a blessing and a curse. It's not normal that free agents have breaking news that they're being released.
He's an undrafted free agent.

Speaker 19 And because his name is Sanders, the blessing and the curse, people said was young and he only got an opportunity because his last name is Sanders.

Speaker 19 I haven't, I mean, maybe you can recall the last time an undrafted free agent, it was breaking news that he was getting released. Well, getting waived, whatever the case may be.
Go ahead, Ocho.

Speaker 20 Anytime it's a rookie, especially an undrafted rookie, the only time they make the news, Uncle is when they get in trouble.

Speaker 19 Right.

Speaker 20 Is there an arrest of some sort? Anything coming out of college where they've gotten in trouble. And, but that's pretty much it.
Because of the last name is why it's breaking news.

Speaker 20 And it just, it's like you say, Unc is a gift and a curse. Yep.

Speaker 19 And

Speaker 19 I just, you know, hey, you sit back and you reflect and you're like, okay,

Speaker 19 it didn't work out here. Maybe somebody gives me an opportunity.
It works out somewhere else.

Speaker 19 You don't know.

Speaker 19 This is the first time that Shiloh has been told he's not good enough.

Speaker 19 I mean, he's been a phenomenal player. Obviously, he got his first start with the University of South Carolina.
He got a D1 scholarship. His father gets the job at Jackson State.
He goes and joins

Speaker 19 his father and his brother at Jackson. And then when his dad gets the head coaching job at CU, he follows, you know, the two sons follow their dad there.

Speaker 19 This is the very first time. And it's really hard because think about it, Ojo.
He's 25. I think he's 24, 25.
And for the first time in 24, 25 years, somebody has told you you're not good enough.

Speaker 19 Now, it's one thing if, you know, you get cut from your high school team, you get cut from your junior varsity team or something like that. He's 25.
But think about it.

Speaker 19 Think about this, ladies and gentlemen. I mean, for the first time in your life, you're in your mid-20s.
Yeah.

Speaker 19 Before somebody ever tells, someone ever utters to you, you're not good enough.

Speaker 19 Forget it be a sport. Maybe it's a job.

Speaker 19 Maybe it's something, but to be told you're not good enough because your whole life, you've dreamed about being an NFL player or your whole life, your dream job, whatever the case that may be, you've dreamed about holding this dream job.

Speaker 19 And then all of a sudden, they're like, you're not good enough.

Speaker 19 Per Yahoo Sports, we're told that Buccaneers enjoyed having Shiloh in the building, viewing the son of Deion Sanders as a good kid, who's at all times respectful to everyone.

Speaker 19 Shiloh could, in theory, sign with the Bucks practice squad after clearing waivers. The bigger question is whether he's good enough to compete and play at an NFL level.

Speaker 19 That's always the case.

Speaker 19 That's what you weigh, Ocho, because if you bring somebody back on the practice squad, you're saying with a year under our belt, a year under his belt and our system, developing,

Speaker 19 we think he can develop into a player that could play for us. Yes.
Get offense, defense, and maybe he's just a backup. Maybe, hey, they pay backups just in case people didn't know.

Speaker 19 They do pay backups in the NFL. And, you know, he can be a

Speaker 19 special teams player. Punt.
Punt, return, kickoff, kickoff, return. Maybe he could be, whatever the case may be.

Speaker 19 Now, that's what the Bucs organization, that's what they have to weigh. Todd Bowles and that staff, I forget the general manager.

Speaker 19 I just was reading something the other day about the general manager because he was talking about

Speaker 19 what's the linebacker they let go?

Speaker 19 He was LSU'd. They ended up letting him go and he goes to Philly.
Now he's found a home. I think he's at the Texans.
Or maybe the Raiders, whatever the case may be. But

Speaker 19 I just saw his name. That's what you have to, that's what you're up against.
You got 16 spots, so that's a lot of people that you can bring in.

Speaker 19 All those 16 players, Ocho, basically, we're saying that we believe with another year in our systems, offense or defense, we think down the line, he just needs a little bit more time to develop.

Speaker 19 We think this kid might turn into a pretty good player for us. Absolutely.
Absolutely.

Speaker 19 Let's take another look at him.

Speaker 19 Let's get a bird's eye view.

Speaker 19 Let's stay with him for a year and let's see what kind of player he turns into. So hopefully that's something.
If he doesn't get claimed off waivers, hopefully he gets an opportunity.

Speaker 19 Either it's the Bucks or someone gives him an opportunity because maybe he just needs another year to develop into an NFL player. Maybe that's the case.
Maybe it isn't.

Speaker 19 Everybody, that particular dream, everybody doesn't get to realize it, Ocho. Yeah.

Speaker 19 But you know what? My brother had a very interesting take on a dream. He said, you know what a dream is, Ocho? A dream that comes true?

Speaker 19 He said, it's a gift to yourself.

Speaker 19 A dream is a gift to yourself.

Speaker 19 You, I had very similar dreams. I need to play in the NFL.

Speaker 20 Got to.

Speaker 19 There are no other options. I didn't have a plan B.
I got my degree, but my plan A, B, C, all the way through Z was go play in the NFL.

Speaker 19 And my determining factor was to get my family out of the situation. Now, my brother gave us a head start,

Speaker 19 but I wasn't, that wasn't good enough for me.

Speaker 19 He did it. I never thought there was nothing that my brother ever did that I didn't think I could do.

Speaker 19 Not one thing. He's like, I like, he went to college, man.
I know I can go to college even though I wasn't the student that he was. I didn't, he applied himself.
I never applied myself.

Speaker 19 I was, you know, hey, I got this God-given ability. I'm extremely talented.
That'll get me by.

Speaker 19 Is it amazing? I think it's amazing when I see kids that come from lineage like a time,

Speaker 19 like a Clay Matthews Sr., like a Bruce Matthews son,

Speaker 19 Peyton Manning, when your father has something and you still have a burning desire

Speaker 19 to get it for yourself. That's very impressive to me.
Coming from our situations, Ocho, it's easy to be motivated. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 19 being hungry being hot being cold

Speaker 20 it's easy being rained on it's easy to develop motivation but what happens when you have none of those extenuating circumstances yeah yeah you got to want it you got to want it you got to be self-motivated too and you got to understand when you when you have fathers that played in the nfl that were very very good not just you know you're regularly the average players then

Speaker 20 also as a child having to live up to that hype having to make the comparison of your father, you not being as good as your father just yet, maybe, but sometimes the pressures of having to live up to in the shadow of a father that was extremely good at his craft can also, it can be demoralizing at times.

Speaker 20 Yes. Not focusing, locked in.
I mean, a great example of one of the players who was able to do it, T.O.,

Speaker 20 Tarot Owen's son. You know, I'm sure he's had to deal with all the all the outside noise, but having a father like T.O.

Speaker 20 that's going to make sure you're prepared for all the nonsense that comes with, don't worry about trying to be me. Just be you.
Just be best Tariq Owens that you can be.

Speaker 20 Hell, this past weekend, what'd he do? Scored? Tribute to pops? You know, play through T. I mean,

Speaker 20 that has to be one of the greatest feelings in the world to have a son to open

Speaker 20 or a daughter, whatever respective craft it is that they do or choose to be in, that that has to be a dope, dope feeling.

Speaker 19 Of course.

Speaker 20 I think the thing is, is ocho the biggest thing is is do are you living in your parents' shadow or are you embracing it that's a good one that's a good one i would never force my child to do anything they don't want to do no i would never force my child to do anything listen i would love i would love it you know if you want to play football so be it but it's nothing i will ever force you to do you know why

Speaker 19 force you to do you know why because playing football was your dream you don't know if that's their dream see a lot of time when people force their kid to do something they're living vicariously through the child now i'm not saying in all situations because I think everybody wants their child to be successful as his or her chosen path.

Speaker 19 But a lot of times we see the behavior. And people, kids think about now, oh, my son is going to the NFL.
My son is going to be a Major League Baseball player.

Speaker 19 My son's going to be a basketball player.

Speaker 19 Let the kid, let a kid be a kid. Right.

Speaker 19 You're not supposed to look at your child as a paycheck.

Speaker 19 You're not supposed to look at your child as the way out.

Speaker 20 That's a good one. That's a good one.
Or you're not supposed to live vicariously through your child because you weren't able to achieve the dreams that you couldn't do it.

Speaker 19 So now you're going to put that. Hey,

Speaker 19 hopefully, the child embraces and wants to be that, whatever he or she chooses. And then you nudge them along in that direction.
Don't A,

Speaker 19 this is what you want to do. And my son, very early on, he said, Dad,

Speaker 19 this ain't me. This ain't what I want.
Right.

Speaker 20 I got a question for you. Yes.
I got a question for you. Now that we're talking about that, it's a great topic to talk about.

Speaker 20 When you think about fathers like Joe Jackson, fathers like Tiger Woods pops.

Speaker 19 Yes.

Speaker 20 Serena

Speaker 20 Venus' dad. Beyonce's father.

Speaker 19 Yes.

Speaker 20 Fathers that actually understood early on, this is what you guys need to do to be able to reach success.

Speaker 19 You talk about prodigies, though. You talk about it, you talk about, you talk about, you talk about what's,

Speaker 20 but, but, you got to understand, as fathers, you never know that these prodigies are going to be what they turned out to be.

Speaker 20 You think Beyonce's dad understood that she would be one of the greatest of all time i mean she's just singing in the choir you young joe jackson you you have talent you have you have sons that are talented you have to put them through the through the work to actually get to that pinnacle that you envisioned so is that not almost like the same thing they they seeing something that they weren't able to accomplish and they feel that their their child the kids should be able to be able to live up live out their dream But if you go back and think about it, go back and listen to the parent,

Speaker 19 the kid was excited to get up the next day to go do it again okay they never had to force the child to go do it right

Speaker 19 they never like come on tiger you got to get up tiger was four or five years old he already had his bag he was ready to go yeah beyonce they never had to drag beyonce into rehearsals or say you need to practice she was rearing to go

Speaker 19 mike He's with the Jackson 5. You saw, hey, we got a group, nice little group.

Speaker 19 Hey, and I'm sure, but,

Speaker 19 you know, a lot of times, you know, it's hard. Tiger had a very strained relationship with his father because of things that transpired in the household with his mom.

Speaker 19 We know Mike had a very troubled relationship with his father.

Speaker 19 He ended up firing his dad as soon as he left the group, I think in 79, fired his dad. All of them ended up firing their dad as their manager.

Speaker 19 So we understand,

Speaker 19 but as a child, you don't understand that, Ocho. You don't.

Speaker 19 You don't understand that he, your parent, mom, or dad is trying to push you in a direction because they see something in you that you don't see yourself. Yeah.

Speaker 19 But,

Speaker 19 but the child has to want it because if he begrud, he or she begrudgingly do it.

Speaker 20 Yeah.

Speaker 20 Listen, when they get old enough, when they get old enough to make their own decisions, all the work that you put in, it's going to go to waste because the child is going to turn. Now, you know what?

Speaker 20 This ain't what I'm doing.

Speaker 19 That ain't what I want.

Speaker 19 We've seen them. Man, I just, man, I ain't even want to play no more football.
I ain't even want to play no more basketball.

Speaker 19 And that's, and here's the thing: I saw somebody, and he said, he said two things: motivation and discipline when you're not motivated are you disciplined enough to go do what you need to do yeah

Speaker 19 motivation oh yeah oh joe we oh i'm motivated oh boy boy yeah yeah yeah yeah there's certainly the motivation is not there because you're not going to be motivated every single day every single time but will you be disciplined

Speaker 19 understanding and realizing what it takes to get to where you ultimately want to go.

Speaker 20 Two more examples. What's that? Ball and what he did with the ball.

Speaker 19 Yes.

Speaker 20 Hey, and Amon Ross St. Brown's father as well.

Speaker 20 A

Speaker 20 magic. Great creed magic.
Yeah.

Speaker 19 But he said, he'd say, hey, the boys, hey, they wanted to be at the gym. Yes.
It is easy when someone is motivated and they're disciplined.

Speaker 19 That's the easiest person because you look at the greats.

Speaker 19 Michael Jordan is extremely talented, but look at the motivation. Look at the discipline that he had.
Look at LeBron. Look Look at Akobe.
You look at the greats of the greats.

Speaker 20 Yes.

Speaker 19 Not only are they extremely talented, they're extremely driven individuals. I'm talking about obsessed.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 19 Serena was obsessed.

Speaker 19 That's when you get

Speaker 19 when 20, 30, 40 years from now, when we talk about some of the best, the best female tennis player, that's why she's always going to be mentioned because she was obsessed with it.

Speaker 19 Yes, she's ultimately talented to be able to,

Speaker 19 for her to be able to move around the court like she could with that, with that powerful forehand.

Speaker 20 Yeah.

Speaker 19 Federer. He's like he's on clouds, like

Speaker 19 he's ballet. He's barishing the cop with a bat with a racket.

Speaker 19 But

Speaker 19 we wish the best. We wish the best for all these guys.
But some of these, sadly, it's going to come to an end. Some of these guys are not going to get,

Speaker 19 what do we call it, Ocho? Practice squad opportunities. Some of these guys, it's over, it's the end of the road.

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