BEST OF NFL Preseason Week 3 Part 1: Shedeur Sanders Sabotaged? + Shilo dropped from Bucs

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Ocho, but first, Shador finals, final preseason game.

He was three of six, 14 yards, 41 yards lost on five sacks.

I know you watched this game as I did.

I want to hear what you have to say first.

Well, first of all, listen.

Door Sanders didn't play bad.

Chat, those that follow me on Twitter, you happy?

There it it is.

He didn't play well.

He didn't play well.

He played bad, huh?

Obviously, he stunk it up.

But

let me clarify why he

offers a midship.

Let me give you a little insight.

So he comes in in the third quarter.

Am I correct, Unc?

It was the third quarter.

About then.

Okay, boom.

So the players that are playing in the third quarter,

excuse me if I'm wrong.

you can do your homework will those players make the 53 man roster unk

a lot of them will not a lot of of them will not make the 53-man roster.

Exactly.

So again, I'm all for quarterback competition, but if you're going to put him in a situation that is not advantageous to him and competing at a high level, boom.

Let's give him a chance.

Let's give him a chance with the play calling.

You know, you have an offensive line that isn't playing that well.

So what do we do?

Why not just play the short game so we can get the ball out of his hands very fast to run a competent goddamn offense?

purposely running plays that are 10 12 15 yard routes knowing damn well the goddamn offensive line is not going to be able to hold up is ridiculous it's clear oh i played football for a very long time i played in nfl at a very high level for a very very long time i understand in a situation like that when it comes to the threes and fours that you're playing with that aren't going to be that aren't going to be on the squad and not going to make the team give your quarterback a chance.

Okay, you know what?

You know they can't hold up that long.

Let's play quick game.

Let's play quick game just against Shador in the goddamn rhythm.

But no, you come out calling regular offensive plays that are very long, damn near play action, damn near play action if he was under center, knowing they take a while to develop, knowing good and goddamn well, the O-line and the people you have out there right now are not going to be able to hold up.

Outside of that, Shadur has to be better in understanding that the offensive line that you're working with right now is not adequate.

Get the ball out your hands.

Get the ball out your hand.

But he's holding the ball for one reason.

He's holding the ball because the goddamn players aren't open.

He's waiting for things to develop, which is why he's holding the ball and trying to make something happen by holding on to it, by scrambling, moving, obviously running out of area, running out of real estate, and being sacked.

I'm not sure what game you guys are watching.

Again, I state Shadura did play bad.

He did.

But why he played bad bad is clear as day if you understand the game of football and what he had to work with.

Kevin Safanski, not letting Shadura come back in the game to finish the two-minute drill.

Oh, I've never seen that before.

I've never in my never in my life, ever have seen anything like that before.

What are we doing?

What are we doing?

No disrespect to Snoop Huntley.

Snoop is probably not going to be on the team.

He's probably not going to be on the team.

So I'm not sure what what you were waiting to look.

Snoop was on the team simply because quarterbacks were injured.

So they brought in the extra body.

Why not allow the players that are competing for a job, in this instance, Shador Sanders, to finish off the two-minute drill?

Agreed.

What are we doing?

Who makes that call?

He makes that call.

Why?

Because I want the last thing people to see.

I want people.

The last thing for people to remember

is the mistakes and the sacks that happen and not give him a chance to redeem himself.

Because I think probably what would happen: okay, we can't have Shador come in here and finish this two-minute drive and go down and get a touchdown.

We don't want that.

So we're going to leave him on the sideline.

So these are bad tastes in those mouths.

So now there's nothing that they can say.

There's nothing that they can say because now you got a small sample size of him playing with people that are probably not going to be on the team.

And their body on Twitter is going to say,

former,

man, come on, man.

But okay, I can't wait to hear your piece.

And in chat, for those of you who are listening and watching, I'm not making any excuses for him.

He played bad, he played bad, but I can tell you why he played bad.

I mean, if you know the game of football and understand the game of football, understand that those that are in there with him during that time, I'm not going to be able to.

Go ahead, man.

I agree with everything you said.

He did play bad.

And

you and I, we come out here and we on, we're on, we talk four or five nights a week, sometimes six nights a week.

We've gone six straight nights.

We've gone nine straight days before.

And what we do, we tell it like it is, T-I-S.

Like my grandma says, boy, tell it like it, T-I-S-T is.

We tell it like it is.

Shadur did not play well today.

He played awful.

Everything that you said is true.

Shadur, you know this offensive line is not competent enough to give you protection.

And I understand it says, oh, Cho, I'm in competition.

I saw what Dylan Gabriel did with the guys that's probably going to be on the team.

I'm trying to match that.

But what happened is that they didn't give him the necessary pieces in order to match this.

If you want me to fight, if you want me to win a war, give me the weapons.

You can't expect me to win a modern war with muskets and cannons.

They use drones now.

They use stuff with precision.

pinpoint accuracy.

So you're expecting me to win a modern game and you're giving me old time.

That won't work.

So Shadur has to do a better job of getting the ball out of his hands.

Oh, Joe, he has some time.

It's okay.

Coach, hey, that ain't my game.

That's Lamar Jackson.

That's

Josh Allen.

That's Jalen Hurts.

That's their game.

Buying time like that.

Shadur has in a pocket.

He can move side to side, but

he doesn't have that ability, that escapability,

like these other quarterbacks, like I put like the board mentioned, I mentioned.

I don't understand

why you would let Snoop Huntley take the two-minute, unless he's going to be one of the four quarterbacks that's going to be on your roster.

You give that to Shadur.

I agree with what you said because you said, look, we've seen guys play bad, be great in the two-minute drill, and you forget they played bad the entirety of the game.

I don't know what's inside Kevin Stefanski head.

Maybe he's like, hey, I wanted Snoop, you know,

we're going to end up releasing him.

And, you know, we wanted him to go.

Look, Snoop Huntley's been in the league four or five years.

He started several games with the Ravens when Lamar Jackson with her.

Hell, he started

a postseason game.

So this notion that

you doing him some type of favor when the man has been in the league four or five years, he started six, seven games in his career, he started a postseason game is just

disingenuous.

With all that being said, I agree the offensive line wasn't very good.

And the one thing that a coach used to always tell me, he say, son, don't make a bad play worse.

You see your offensive line break down Shador, don't make a bad play worse.

Don't run around and lose five.

Don't lose 10.

He got sacked five times, lost 41 yards.

Fumble the ball.

Come on.

You got to be better than that.

And I understand when you're in competition, Ocho, I'm trying to compete.

So I'm going to scratch, claw, and do whatever I think is necessary that's going to help me put me in an advantageous situation so I can compete, so I can win.

But

I don't get

what they did, why they did it.

Some things is not for, some things is offered without explanation.

Some things you and I can't explain.

Even though

with the 30 plus years, between us of NFL experience and the number of Pro Bowls and all pros, both of us are in our team's respective ring of fame.

Some things we just can't answer because we are not in Kevin Stefanski's heads.

We don't.

Here it is, Ocho.

Here's Kevin Stefansky not letting Shadur run the two-minute drill at the end of the grain at the end of the game with the Browns.

Let's take a listen to what he had to say.

Kevin, it was obviously a bit of a rough second half for Shadur and the Browns and the entire Browns offense, but like, why didn't you keep in for a two-minute drill?

Why did you decide to put the title in the film?

Yeah, obviously, we didn't play great as an offense in the second half that's that's never on one person uh so we can be in in the we can be better in a bunch of areas uh and just felt like we wanted to give snoop a last draft did uh did shador have something wrong with him after the game and kind of

train his mat yeah he's good he walked up to you after taking his walk down to the pylon and then he walked back up to you on the sidelines before um before snoop went in and he said something to you to you you shook your head i mean was he trying to get back he's a competitive kid the The plan was to go with Snoop there.

So,

but I wouldn't make any more of it than that.

Yeah, he's like, Coach, let me get this.

Let me get this last one.

Give me an opportunity.

Now we're good.

We're going to take a look at this.

They know what they're doing.

They know what they're doing.

Listen, a blind man can see that.

A blind man can see that.

Again, for those of you in the chat,

listen,

I'm not taking it for him.

I'm going to say it again.

And I reiterated:

Shador Sanders played bad.

Based on the circumstances and the situation he was put in and the weapons around him and the offensive line that he had to deal with, that probably won't be on the 53-man roster.

That's exactly what you would look like.

You could have put Tom Brady out there

with that offensive line.

He would have looked the exact same way.

You could have put Patrick Mahomes out there.

with that offensive line in that third quarter, the second half,

he would have looked the exact same way.

Kevin Stefansky saying, we didn't play well in the second half.

Well, yeah.

I mean, obviously.

You didn't call plays well in the second half.

This is what Derek Carr had to say.

I need to understand why

we don't get to see Shadur run this two-minute drill.

Wouldn't you want to see your young quarterback operate in this situation, get him more reps for the future?

I didn't see the whole game, so maybe he already showed enough.

Help me understand this.

Jerome Aiten Rup, so Kevin Stefanski gives dylan gabriel easy short throws with max protection and then give shadur bulljive plays with an o-line that looked like they just ate a gang of little dabbies f you browns trade shadur did you did you hear the key word when i when i as soon as i stated that he played well and the first thing i said what you just read he gave dylan gabriel short throws to get himself in rhythm to get the ball out of his hands.

And then in the second half, the play calls were much longer routes that took time to develop, and they know good and well that the offensive line wouldn't be able to hold up.

The only reason a quarterback holds on to the ball, sometimes it's coverage sacks, sometimes it's waiting for receivers to get downfield for routes to develop.

And they know good and well, like, you know, good and well, it wasn't going to work.

You have an NFL quarterback, an experienced quarterback that's pointing it out.

Exactly what I said.

I didn't even know it.

I didn't even know Derrick Carr Carr tweeted that.

I didn't even know.

But I'm just sitting here watching them like, what are we doing?

What are we doing

as a coach, as a head coach, as a coaching staff?

I mean,

if it's a quarterback competition, put the players in advantageous situations and give them a chance to succeed.

It's simple.

It's something like you would do on Sunday when Joe Flacco goes out there week one against the Cincinnati Bengals.

They're going to put him in positions to succeed

every quarter every down

it is just the way the game is played

you play to win the game

i mean i i i don't i i don't understand

i don't understand mike here

mike heal i hope shadur will eventually end up on a good roster with a coach who wants and believes in him it's so obvious this league and even the browns in a sense have been trying to send a message to him since he since the draft and it's downright disgusting

Like I said,

I co-sign.

I agree with everything that you said.

The play was not adequate enough, and Shadur has to get to a point in time.

And that's always been his knock.

We said this when he was in college.

He holds on to the ball too long.

You're not going to make every play.

The sooner he gets that in his head, the sooner he comes to that realization, the better off he's going to be.

Do not make a bad play worse.

Ocho, if you, the worst thing you could do, Ocho,

if I run the wrong route, is drop the ball when he throw it to me.

Damn, son, the least you can do is catch it.

You effed up to play.

You're someplace you're not supposed to be.

Son,

if you jump offside, son, just go.

Just go.

Maybe they missed it, but don't make a bad play worse.

And

you block the wrong guy and then you end up holding.

Well, damn, son.

Shador, just speed your process up.

Yes, the offensive line wasn't adequate.

Yes, the receivers

give him the plays that you gave him against Carolina.

Let him get the ball out of his hands.

Let him let,

in a situation like that,

you let the offense, you let the receivers help you.

You put the ball in their hands and says, okay, son, go get four or five yards out the catch.

As opposed to taking a five-step drop and trying to push the ball down the field.

That is my synopsis of what I saw.

Hopefully now, Joe, hopefully, preseasons is over.

We can stop having these conversations.

Joe Flacco is the starting quarterback.

Now we need to stop asking these questions.

When are we going to see Shador?

Because you're not going to see Joe Flacco.

Something happens to him.

If they keep full quarterbacks, it's going to be Joe Flacco.

It's going to probably be, I don't know.

Hell, the way it looks, looked like Dylan Gabriel might be two now.

Kenny Pickett might be three.

And you know what also would also, I'm not saying it scares me, but it worries me.

If they've already made a decision, if their mind is already made up as an organization, as a head coach, has them coming out and saying what he said two weeks ago about the pick not being his and Andrew Berry standing by his side and standing by his pick.

And for Andrew Berry to have to witness what he saw today, someone that is very intelligent, very intelligent to be in a position of power that he's in and to witness what he witnessed today.

I'm thinking also, if the decision's already been made to release Shador or to cut him in any way, shape, shape, form, or fashion, what scares me is him going to another team.

And will team be willing to be able to deal with someone with the last name Sanders that brings a kind of tension to a team that he does and he's not even a starting quarterback.

You understand what I'm saying?

Because

that brings a totally different dynamic to a team where it takes away from

whoever the starting quarterback is being Shadur now coming in and being on that team.

You get where I'm going with it?

Now it's that

he didn't create, but it just comes with the Sanders last name in general.

That's a lot of oxygen being taken up out of the room for a guy that's not playing.

That's what you're saying.

The Browns general manager, Andrew Berry, told the NFL network: keeping four quarterbacks, not much of a decision.

We have a room that we like and all the guys in there.

We don't really see that as a problem.

We more see it as an opportunity.

Ocho, my thing is, why are you keeping four quarterbacks when clearly one of the quarterbacks you don't actually believe in?

I know, hey, I know Andrew Berry and Mr.

Hassam, I know they be going at it, boy.

Because it's not like their sentimentality.

Sometimes, Ocho, we hold on to things that have sentimental value to us.

Oh, man, Ocho, I had this thing so long, I just can't let it go.

You know, but

when there's no sentimentality to it, there's no attachment to it.

You just drafted a guy.

You drafted a guy in the fifth round.

Why are you holding on to it?

If you believe he was that good, you would have given him a better opportunity to show you what he can do.

From what I could deduce and from what I've read,

I've never read anything or saw anything that Shadur Sanders took reps with the ones or the twos, except.

When Gabriel got hurt and then he took that, they were playing that Friday and he took ref to that wednesday and thursday other than that excuse me

prior to that there was not a situation where i read what mary kay cabot was writing and i read what others had written that i saw that shador sanders had taken ref with the ones and twos so if he's not taking ones and twos and you would think after what he did in the carolina game that's normally what happens chat I'm telling you what normally happens when a guy, if he's down on the depth chart and he plays good in a preseason game, they normally come in and that practice back, he's like, I want to see what the guy can do with the ones and the twos.

No matter the position, be it quarterback, running back, wide receiver, O-line, D-line, linebacker, cornerback.

I'm telling you, that's normally how it works.

You're talking to a guy that was in a very similar situation.

And y'all say, well, you always inserting yourself.

I'm inserting myself because I'm telling you, I was in a situation like Shadura.

He was a fifth rounder.

I was a seventh rounder.

I was like sixth or seventh on the depth chart.

So I played good in the preseason game, Ocho.

Guess what?

Next thing I know, hey,

at the time I was 81 sharp,

cool

with the backup quarterback, and he called me Greasy.

He said, Greasy, they put you with the ones and the twos today.

So, hey, make sure you're ready.

You need to know anything, ask me.

I don't know why.

But Seven and Cool always took a liking to me.

They always took a liking to me.

Cool would come into the game and practice, Ocho?

He's like,

Greezy, you know what you got?

I say, nah, not really.

He said, you got X, Y, blah, blah, blah.

Yeah, I'm telling you,

just like this.

He said, Greasy, look, it's going to be cover two.

Take the hole.

Greezy, it's going to be, it's going to be single house safety, run to seven.

It's going to be this.

Hook it up.

15 yards, hook it up.

Show me your letters.

I'm going to get you the ball.

Hey, let's go.

Let's, hey, let's go make some money today.

He's all, he was always like that in my ear.

So it gave me confidence that that damn this man he don't hey i'm a rookie and he helping me he's working with me hey seven with the exact same way

but once i played good in the game with him guess what now i come back on monday ocho

i went to twos and i didn't get into the fourth quarter Because they want to see what you can do with the starters.

Okay, if he did this with some backup, let's see if we put it with the one and twos.

Let's see if he can do that again maybe it was because he's going against guys that's not going to be there but let's see if he can compete against guys that we know are going to be there on sunday so this is a very similar situation with shadour i would have thought you would have thought because we had this conversation oh joe he's gonna get some reference

so we so we so we thought based on our experience and what happens when you play well but listen outside of that Joe Flacco, that boy looked good.

He looked good.

Dylan Gabriel came in.

God damn, Dylan Gabriel looked good.

Very efficient.

Passes coming out.

Everything's sharp.

Went down, touched down.

And then, you know, obviously, 12 didn't play good today.

He didn't.

And I've said it over and over for those in the chat.

I know we have our Shadur haters

who don't like him.

He didn't play well.

Can you hear me?

But in

most of those that are hating too, Hunk,

they don't watch football.

They don't understand football.

They don't understand the ins and outs and

the intricacies of football.

They don't know that you

that played the game

understand the nuance.

Like, listen, we see it.

We see it clear as day, but they just aren't there.

Oh, he played bad.

He's ass.

He's sucked.

He's a fifth-rounder.

He's not that good.

Well, of course, yes, based on what you saw today,

but we're trying to tell you why it looked that way.

But that's neither here nor there.

It is what it is.

They made their decision.

They had to lie in the the bed with it.

So listen,

I'm happy for them.

This is why I watch the game with no sound.

I don't want someone to contaminate my mind and I regurgitate what somebody else said.

Also, the reason why I watch fans are only interested in the end result.

I'm trying to figure out why we got said result.

It's not good enough that they scored a touchdown.

I need to know why.

Let me see the formation let me see what the guy did let me see the defensive coverage was it just a great route did he just beat sometimes ocho you just beat the guy some and that's okay you get paid he gets paid sometimes ocho just gonna win because ocho was just the better player sometimes the defensive back is gonna win he wins some you win more than he than you lose Sometimes, who blew the assignment?

Was it the safety?

Was he getting greedy, paying attention to the tight end on the over when he should have been deep middle?

Did the corner,

why did he, did he not, did he not shovel the receiver down inside and sink?

Why was he still so far?

Why was he so close up when there's nothing to threaten the flat?

I'm analyzing all of that.

It's just not good enough for me to know that they scored.

I'm trying to see why they scored.

And then I'm going to tell you based on my experience, having played the game, game, having studied the game, this is what I think happened.

So Ocho and I, what we're trying to do, we're not making excuses for Shadura.

Shadur has to do a better job of not making a bad situation worse.

Hey, I was so confused tonight, too.

Let me tell you something.

I really, I really do this.

And I've watched the game for a long time.

So I thought maybe I'm tripping.

Maybe I'm tripping based on what I'm seeing.

And maybe I'm not seeing it correctly.

Hell, I picked up the phone.

I I called TJ.

I call who I call Hoosh and I'm like, whoosh,

am I tripping?

Or did I see what I thought I just saw when 12 went in the game?

He's like, yeah.

Yeah.

You can tell that was a bunch of, you know what?

You know, TJ, TJ don't care.

He just, he just go off.

Off the rock on the phone.

Yeah.

Why would you put him in that situation?

I say, okay, I just want to, if I heard it from you and I know how you, you know, how TJ, he's going to tell it like it is.

He knows he don't care.

And okay, I just want to make sure I wasn't tripping.

I just want to make sure I wasn't

hearing it from another mouth that actually played the goddamn game, the receiver position, that also knows the game extremely well, all the intricacies that come with it.

Okay, boom.

I know I wasn't tripping.

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Oh, Joe, Shilo Sanders was ejected after throwing a punch at Bill's tight end, Zach Davison.

Should he have been ejected?

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

You can't do that.

You got to be able to control yourself, yourself, especially in that moment.

I know the tight end, you know, they was locked up a little bit.

He was probably trying to rough hide them a little bit, but you have to be able to control yourself.

You got to be able to control your emotions, especially in moments like that, especially in a game, especially in a game.

So, you know, you have no choice.

If you throw a punch, if anything, if you, if your arm extends and it touches the other individual.

You're going out the game every time.

Ocho, he in the open field.

that's not like an offensive defensive lineman ocho you in the pile and can't nobody see you trying to hit the guy oh you're right

the back judge or the side judge that was you standing right there they're right there

you know sometimes you got players that'll provoke you sometimes

yeah they're always going to see the person that that swings last they're not see that they never see who initiated but they're going to always see the person who swings last so you gotta be able to i ain't trying i ain't trying to get you back in front of the ref I'm gonna try to get you back when you ain't thinking about it.

Because he, if I do something, then you brace it.

You go, all you're gonna do is turn to the ref.

You see, Ref.

He did the age, start.

Hey, Ref, you see what 84 did?

You see what he did?

Don't worry about it.

I'm gonna get you back.

You're gonna look like a place.

I'm gonna get your ass back.

Yeah.

Or I'm gonna get your teammate.

Somebody gonna get it.

Somebody gonna get

that got your color uniform on.

He ain't had nothing to do with it, it, but that's your teammate.

Hey, y'all know how it is.

Hey, I'm going to get you with somebody that's related to you.

Yeah, but

I agree with you, Ocho.

Shilo knows better.

Shiloh knows he can't do a situation like that.

Bro, you can't hurt.

He got on a helmet.

So let's just say for a second about you hit him.

Okay, you hit him in the head.

Oh, what happened?

You break your hand.

You're going to get a penalty.

In this situation, you got tossed now, even if you do rate the rock, you do know when you get thrown out of the game, Mocho.

You know, that's like 20, 20, 20, 30,000.

So, here it, let's just say, for the sake of argument, oh, yeah, yeah.

How much is an ejection in the football game?

It's like 25, 30,000.

Not that much.

Yeah, the hell you say,

my goddamn celebrations were 25, 30,000.

I know they ain't, but you stayed in the game.

You did Your celebration they call you to get tossed out of a game.

Yeah, I'm curious.

How much is an ejection?

Especially a first-time offense, too.

They're going to take all that into account.

Actually, like 32,000.

They're going to let him appeal that.

They're going to let him appeal that.

They're going to let him appeal it.

First-time offense to they're going to be like,

who you appealing to?

So let me ask you a question.

Is Mert Hanks still?

Merton Hanks?

Nah, I think it's brooks derrick brooks james uh thrash and uh john runyon so brooks and thrash and then runyon is over james thrash james thrash

oh goddamn james thrash what hey wait derek brooks you talk about

fighting

he threw a punch

yeah

40 for fighting

Hey, hold on.

You said Derek Brooks.

You talk about double nickel?

Yeah.

Okay, I didn't know that.

Man,

they gonna take care of him they're gonna take care of him

i mean uh uh brooks and trash they're very uh friendly but some things yeah i know i know um

yeah

physical contact with an official is 40 000 a second offense is 81 000 Verbal or non-physical offense with against official.

So if you cursing or something, that's 32,000.

Next one.

Fighting.

$40,000 for the first offense.

$40,686.

A second offense is $81,000.

So

unsportsmanlike conduct.

I don't, you know what?

Maybe they label it unsportsmanlike conduct.

Okay, maybe.

But what did they call it during the game?

What did they say during the game?

Because

if you throw a ball into the stands, that's $8,100, Ocho.

But you players throwing a ball in the stands still.

I know.

I ain't throw one.

Chin strap, shoulder pads, thigh, knee pads, that's $5,700.

That's $5,800.

Unapproved visor or tent, lack of brand marks, $5,700.

Personal messages, about $11,500.

Bam.

gang signs.

Ooh.

Gang sign.

Don't do that.

Don't do that.

That's all I got for you, Ocho.

Hey, wait.

Hey, that's that's a gang sign, too.

Yay, that's all I got.

That's all I got for you.

But I just think, look, the emotions got the best of him.

You know, you fighting for a roster spot.

I don't know what, like I said, I don't know what happened.

I just, you know,

saw the steel shots of it.

Like,

so I don't know if he did this or he did that blocking him all the way down the field it seemed like yeah he you know obviously tight end came off got up on the safety and they just keep trying to drive him back drive him back and i'm assuming he tried to dump him he tried yeah he tried to dump yeah that's all

a little rough house and uh

we find out what they what they call it in the game

And, you know,

you just got to be smart in a situation like that because you are fighting for a position.

You don't want to do anything that costs you position.

But, you know, hey, I trust me.

Sometimes when emotion is high, logic is low.

We've all done things that, like, we look back at, like, man, why the hell I do that?

Why?

And Shador, probably, like, as he's walking to the tunnel, like,

everybody, Shador, excuse me, shallow, everybody's going to get got.

If you play long enough, somebody's going to get you with a block, somebody going to pancake you, somebody going to route your ass up, you're going to get got.

It's like being in the NBA, you're going to get dunked on.

You play long enough, you'll get dunked on.

I don't care.

Excuse me, I don't care who you are.

You're going to get got.

Offensive lineman gonna get beat.

He gonna get run over.

Defensive lineman gonna get blocked.

He He's going to get pancaked.

Quarterback is going to get hit.

All that's going to happen because it's the game of football.

And those guys are really good that you're going against.

They're really good.

I know you're really good also, but they're really good.

And somebody that's really good can make somebody else that's really good look bad.

I don't think people realize.

People just think that, oh, he's such and such.

He's supposed to win all the time.

No, hell, you not.

No.

Even Barry Bonds, he didn't strike out often, but he did strike out.

Tony Gwynn didn't strike out often, but he did strike out.

He did get nobody, hit 500, hit 600, 700.

So obviously,

but you know,

I ain't really never got that mad on you.

Not in the game.

I mean, somebody, have somebody done some dirty stuff?

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I got their ass back.

I mean, I'm trying to think.

I ever.

Only time I was about to fight when I was in the beat Ray's ass.

That's it.

You heard me?

You're going to beat Ray?

Man, I'm finna beat Ray all up and down MT Bank Stadium.

He's lucky Air Reed grabbed me, boy.

I was feeling good that day, too.

Oh, you feeling?

Yeah, I was feeling good.

I was feeling good.

He ain't even know.

Ray ain't even know.

Like, he hit me right.

Okay.

okay go ahead what you saying ray hit me i went for the slant it was too high

i knew i saw it and listen my helmet went flying so once i got my helmet

once i got my helmet and i was getting ready to walk up on him and he knew i was gonna hit him in the stomach so you know when you hit somebody in the stomach the first thing they do is they go they they bend down

and then you'll catch him with an uppercut

yeah and so i mean listen but man boy i'll tell you you, boy, I would have, that, that 52 would have been 25 when I was done with Ray that day, boy.

I don't think you had, I don't think you had all your bearings.

I mean, I think you were, I think you was about to be the headless foot, the headless football player, because I thought your head was in that hill.

It was.

It was.

It was.

He couldn't get his work, though.

Hey, hey,

that's one of the things I miss, though.

Like, I know I play around a lot.

I make a lot of jokes.

I'm always laughing and stuff.

What you miss?

Being able to compete, not against anybody.

I'm talking about being able to compete against those Steeler teams with Ike Taylor and James Harrison and Larry Foot and Joey Porter.

And

oh, man,

yeah, I thought you were going to say

you miss getting hit.

I don't mind that either.

Listen, you know,

I was like Gumby, Uncle.

I ain't care nothing about that getting hit.

You gotta, you gotta, I got up from every single hit except one.

11 years, years one hit i didn't get up that was it

when you pop up fast they know they got you now you know i pop up fast talking trash though every time

it was some good days man i missed playing them ravens man them defenses man

oh that that was such a joy such a joy because you had no you had no choice but to show up huh

there's no weakness there was no weakness nowhere nowhere yeah

division games are always

second level was good secondary was good and here go my my crazy i'm talking i'm talking trash all week long to take all the pressure off of everybody else on our team so all the pressure was on me now all y'all got to do is just go out there and just do your job

nah because they cheap shotting everybody man why you cheap man because tell sharp to say shut up

okay Man, Sharp, leave alone.

You ain't got to block him.

Well, you need to block better.

Yeah, I enjoyed it that way, man.

I don't know why man

i know

um

look

i you know what i i i bet i bet you time called him from the i bet you time called uh shilo in the lottery of course man what did you and what is you doing what

that's exactly what come on now what you doing

really son you think so let me ask you a question you hit him you think you hurt him you think there was a greater chance you hurt your own self or you hurt you could hurt him

You hurt your own self, your own team, or you hurt him or his team.

Because that's how you look.

I don't know if he like he ain't really no, time ain't really no yeller.

He's more of a talker

and a stern and a stern way to get his point across.

Me, I'm like, bro,

what are you doing?

Really?

You thought that was your that was your answer?

the man the man the man done the man done drove you like a winnebago

so now you mad because you couldn't get him up off you

you take a swipe at it

oh man

hey shilo you'll get the weight room bro them guys them guys big them tight ends hey you know i was just strong but i wasn't you know i was 228

them guys now them tight ends now they 6'4 6'5 250 260.

Hey, you got to drop an anchor on them, Shiloh.

Get off me.

The hell you think you'd see.

No, and Prime got to be careful because Shiloh were hitting back.

Well, you were the same one out there fighting with Andre Rising.

So how you sitting there telling me about if I throw him budgets?

You was out there.

Man, Time,

man, I remember that.

He's like, he tried to show, he tried to show out in my house.

You can't come to my house.

I was going at it, boy.

But they weren't going at it.

I think Dre forgot that Tyne was left-handed.

Yeah, yeah, he was looking for the right, and Ty would kill it with the left.

I think that's what happened.

See, that's what gets you on your because you think most of the time, and I think most people are right-handed.

What's the percentage of right-handed people?

If it ain't no 50-50 like a coin flip, it's got to be like 70-30,

righty to lefty.

And so, you automatically assume somebody right-handed.

And so you like, you looking for that right, and he just got it upside your head with like cop, got

him boy but going.

And see, the thing was, Tyre was smart.

See, Tyn wasn't punching me.

Tyre may want to break his hand.

Open, open.

Ty was open-handed.

I think Shiloh learned.

I mean, hey, you like, hey,

hopefully he makes the squad and he he can get the, because this thing, if you're on a practice squad, Ocho, you ain't making 40,000 a week.

They're going to take your first three weeks going to the NFL.

You're going to be all right.

The headlines.

The Buccaneers informed rookie Shiloh Sanders today that he's being waived.

His agent, Drew Rosenhaus, Robert Bailey, a former teammate of mine with the Ravens, added, we're hoping he gets claimed of waivers.

Ocho, where do you think Shiloh will land?

You know what?

I'm not sure where he will land.

There's some teams out there that could use some depth, especially at the safety position.

I'm not sure what the Bengals look like

in the secondary.

I think Steelers can add, the Saints can add to

their secondary as well.

He's going to get claimed.

Where he gets claimed, I'm not sure where that would be yet.

Listen, for one, he has Austin representation and Robert Brady and Drew Rosenhaus.

Obviously, they represented me while I was playing

during my tenure.

So he will get picked up.

Where he gets picked up, I'm not sure, but he has the right person in his corner to make sure he gets another opportunity to play the game that he loves.

Sometimes your last name can be a blessing and a curse.

It's not normal that free agents have breaking news that they're being released.

He's an undrafted free agent.

And because his name is Sanders, the blessing and the curse, people said was young and he only got an opportunity because his last name is Sanders.

I haven't, I mean, maybe you can recall the last time an undrafted free agent, it was breaking news that he was getting released,

getting waived, whatever the case may be.

Go ahead, Ocho.

Anytime it's a rookie, especially an undrafted rookie, the only time they make the news, Uncle is when they get in trouble.

Right.

Is there an arrest of some sort, anything coming out of college where they've gotten in trouble?

And, but that's pretty much it.

Because of the last name is why it's breaking news.

And it just, it's like you say, Unc is, it's a gift and a curse.

yep

and uh i just you know hey you sit back and you reflect and you're like okay

it didn't work out here maybe somebody gives me an opportunity it works out somewhere else um you don't know uh

this is the first time that shilo has been told he's not good enough

I mean, he's been a phenomenal player.

Obviously, he got his first start with the University of South Carolina.

He got a D1 scholarship.

His father gets the job at Jackson State.

He goes and joins

his father and

his brother at Jackson.

And then when his dad gets the head coaching job at CU, he follows, you know, the two sons follow their dad there.

This is the very first time.

And it's really hard because think about it, Ocho.

He's 25.

I think he's 24, 25.

And for the first time in 24, 25 years, somebody has told you you're not good enough.

Now, it's one thing if, you know, you get cut from your high school team, you get cut from your junior varsity team or something like that.

He's 25.

But think about it.

Think about this, ladies and gentlemen.

I mean, for the first time in your life, you're in your mid-20s.

Yeah.

Before somebody ever tells, someone ever utters to you, you're not good enough.

Forget it, be a sport.

Maybe it's a job.

Maybe it's something, but to be told you're not good enough, because your whole life, you've dreamed about being an NFL player or your whole life, your dream job, whatever the case that may be, you've dreamed about holding this dream job.

And then all of a sudden, they're like, you're not good enough.

Per Yahoo Sports, we're told that Buccaneers enjoyed having Shiloh in the building, viewing the son of Deion Sanders as a good kid, who's at all times respectful to everyone.

Shiloh could, in theory, sign with the Bucks practice squad after clearing waivers.

The bigger question is whether he's good enough to compete and play at an NFL level.

That's always the case.

That's what you weigh, Ocho, because if you bring somebody back on the practice squad, you're saying with

a year under his belt and our system, developing,

we think he can develop into a player that could play for us.

Yes.

Hit offense, defense, and maybe he's just a backup.

Maybe, hey, they pay backups just in case people didn't know.

They do pay backups in the NFL.

And, you know, he can be a special, a special teams player.

Punt.

Punt, return, kickoff, kickoff, return.

Maybe he could be, whatever the case may be.

Now, that's what the bucks organization that's what they have to weigh todd bowles and that staff i forget the general manager i just was reading something the other day about the general manager um because he was talking about

what's the linebacker they let go uh he was lsu they ended up letting him go and he goes to philly now he's found a home uh i think he's at the texans or maybe the raiders or whatever case may be but i just saw his i just saw his name that's what you have to that's that's what you're up against you got 16 spots so that's a lot of people that you can bring in all those 16 players ocho basically we're saying that we believe with a another year in our systems offense or defense we think down the line he just need a little bit more time to develop we think this kid might turn into a pretty good player for us absolutely absolutely let's let's let's take another look at him let let's let's get a let's get a bird's eye view let's stay with let's stay with him for a year and let's see what kind of player he he uh turns into so hopefully that's something.

If he doesn't get claimed off waivers, hopefully he gets an opportunity.

Either it's the Bucks or someone gives him an opportunity because maybe he just needs another year to develop into an NFL player.

Maybe that's the case.

Maybe it isn't.

Everybody, that particular dream, everybody doesn't get to realize it, Ocho.

Yeah.

But you know what?

My brother had a very interesting take on a dream.

He said, you know what a dream is, Ocho?

A A dream that comes true?

He said, It's a gift to yourself.

A dream is a gift to yourself.

You, I had very similar dreams.

I need to play in the NFL.

Got to.

There are no other options.

I didn't have a plan B.

I got my degree, but my plan A, B, C, all the way through Z was go play in the NFL.

And my determining factor was to get my family out of the situation.

Now, my brother gave us a head start,

but I wasn't, that wasn't good enough for me.

He did it.

I never thought there was nothing that my brother ever did that I didn't think I could do.

Not one thing.

He's like, I like, he went to college, man.

I know I could go to college even though I wasn't the student that he was.

I didn't, he applied himself.

I never applied myself.

I was, you know, hey, I got this God-given ability.

I'll be extremely talented.

That'll get me by.

It's amazing.

I think it's amazing when I see kids that come from lineage like a time,

like a Clay Matthews Sr., like a Bruce Matthews son,

Peyton Manning, when your father has something and you still have a burning desire

to get it for yourself.

That's very impressive to me.

Coming from our situations, Ocho, it's easy to be motivated.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

Being hungry, being hot, being cold,

it's easy.

Being rained on, it's easy to develop motivation.

But what happens when you have none of those extenuating circumstances?

Yeah.

Yeah.

You got to want it.

You got to want it.

You got to be self-motivated too.

And you got to understand when you, when you have fathers that played in the NFL that were very, very good, not just your regular average players, then also as a child, having to live up to that hype, having the comparison of your father, you not being as good as your father just yet, maybe, but sometimes the pressures of having to live up to in the shadow of a father that was extremely good at his craft can also, it can be demoralizing at times.

Yes.

Not focusing, locked in.

I mean, a great example of one of the players who was able to do it, T.O.,

Tarot Owen's son.

You know, I'm sure he's had to deal with all the all the outside noise, but having a father like T.O.

that's going to make sure you're prepared for all the nonsense that comes with don't worry about trying to be me just be you just be best tariq owens that you can be hell this past weekend what'd he do scored tribute to pops you know put

i'm talking about dog that had that has to be one of the greatest feelings in the world to have a son to open

or a daughter, whatever respective craft it is that they do or choose to be in, that that has to be a dope, dope feeling.

Of course.

I think the thing is, Ocho, the biggest thing is,

are you living in your parents' shadow or are you embracing it?

That's a good one.

That's a good one.

I would never force my child to do anything they don't want to do, uncle.

No.

I would never force my child to do anything.

Listen, I would love.

I would love it.

You know, if you want to play football, so be it, but it's nothing that would ever force you to do.

You know why?

Force you to do.

You know why?

Because playing football was your dream.

You don't know if that's their dream.

See, a lot of times when people force their kid to do something, they're living vicariously through the child.

Now, I'm not saying in all situations because I think everybody wants their child to be successful as his or her chosen path.

Right.

But a lot of times we see the behavior.

And people, kids think about now, oh, my son is going to the NFL.

My son going to be a major league baseball player.

My son's going to be a basketball player.

Let the kid, let a kid be a kid.

Right.

You're not supposed to look at your child as a paycheck.

You're not supposed to look at your child as the way out.

That's a good one.

That's a good one.

Or you're not supposed to live vicariously through your child because you weren't able to achieve the dreams that you couldn't do it so now you're gonna put that hey hopefully the child embraces and wants to be that whatever he or she chooses and then you nudge them along in that direction don't a

this is what you want to do and my son very early on he said dad that ain't this this ain't me this ain't what i want right i got a question

yes i got a question for you now that we're talking about that that's it's a great topic to talk about when you think about fathers like joe jackson fathers like tiger woods pops yes serena serena vineyard and vena's dad beyonce father yes fathers that actually understood early on this is what you guys need to do to be able to reach success you talk about prodigies though you talk about you talk about you talk about you talk about what's

but but you got to understand as fathers you never know that these prodigies are going to be what they turned out to be you think

dad understood that she would be one of the greatest of all time?

I mean, she's singing in the choir.

You're young.

Joe Jackson, you have talent, you have sons that are talented.

You have to put them through the work to actually get to that pinnacle that you envision.

So is that not almost like the same thing?

They seeing something that they weren't able to accomplish and they feel that their child, the kids, should

be able to live out their dream.

But if you go back and think about it, go back and listen to the parent,

the kid was excited to get up the next day to go do it again okay they never had to force the child to go do it right

they never like come on tiger you got to get up tiger was four or five years old he already had his bag he was ready to go yeah Beyonce they never had to drag Beyonce into rehearsals or say you need to practice she was rare to go

Mike he's with the Jackson five you say hey we got a group nice little group

Hey, and I'm sure, but

a lot of times, you know, it's hard.

Tiger had a very strained relationship with his father because of things that transpired in the household with his mom.

We know Mike had a very troubled relationship with his father.

He ended up firing his dad as soon as he left the group, I think in 79, fired his dad.

All of them ended up firing their dad as their manager.

So we understand,

but as a child, you don't understand that, Ocho.

You don't.

You don't understand that he, your parent, mom, or dad is trying to push you in a direction because they see something something in you that you don't see yourself.

Yeah.

But,

but the child has to want it because if he or she begrudgingly do it,

listen, when they get old enough, when they get old enough to make their own decisions, all the birth things you put in is going to go to waste because the child is going to turn.

Now, you know what?

This ain't what I was doing.

That ain't what I want.

We've seen them.

Man, I just, man, I ain't even want to play no more football.

I ain't even want to play no more basketball.

And that's, and here's the thing.

I saw somebody, and he says, he says two things, motivation and discipline.

When you're not motivated, are you disciplined enough to go do what you need to do?

Yeah.

Motivation.

Ooh, yeah, Ocho.

We, oh, I'm motivated.

Ooh, boy, boy, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, there's certainly.

And the motivation is not there because you're not going to be motivated every single day, every single time.

But will you be disciplined?

Understanding and realizing what it takes to get to where you ultimately want to go.

Two more examples.

What's that?

Ball and what he did with the ball.

Yes.

And Amon Ross St.

Brown's father as well.

A

magic.

Freight creed magic.

Yeah.

But he said, he'd say, hey, the boys, hey, they wanted to be at the gym.

Yes.

It is easy when someone is motivated and they're disciplined.

That's the easiest person because you look at the greats.

Michael Jordan is extremely talented, but look at the motivation.

Look at the discipline that he had.

Look at LeBron.

Look at Akobe.

You look at the greats of the greats.

Yes.

Not only are they extremely talented, they're extremely driven individuals.

I'm talking about obsessed.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Serena

was obsessed.

That's when you get

when 20, 30, 40 years from now, when we talk about some of the best, the best female tennis player, that's why she's always going to be mentioned because she was obsessed with it.

Yes, she's ultimately talented to be able to, for her to be able to move around the court like she could

with that powerful forehand.

Yeah.

Federer.

He's like he's on clouds, like

he's ballet.

He's berishing the cough with

a racket.

But

we wish the best.

We wish the best for all these guys.

But some of these, sadly, it's going to come to an end.

Some of these guys are not going to get,

what do we call it, Ocho?

Practice squad opportunities.

Some of these guys, it's over.

It's the end of the road.

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