Nightcap Hour 2: Unc & Ocho react to Raja Jackson violent attack on Syko Stu

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Speaker 21 Oh, our special guest has joined us.

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Speaker 21 Four-time Grammy Award-winning artist, author, actor, activist. His 10th studio album, Reconstruction, just released.
The album features T.I., Killer Mike, John Bellin, and Friday, here he is, LeCre.

Speaker 21 How you doing, bro?

Speaker 22 What's going on with y'all, man? How y'all doing?

Speaker 21 Man, I'm doing good. I'm doing good.

Speaker 21 So,

Speaker 21 help me understand this.

Speaker 21 You blended faith with hip-hop. I mean, I mean, growing up, I'm sure you, with this, you probably came up into church, but you also listened to rap.
So, how did you come up with the combination?

Speaker 21 Like, you know what? I'm going to blend the two.

Speaker 22 I'm going to be honest with you. I didn't grow up in church.

Speaker 22 You did? What? Nah, I didn't grow up in church.

Speaker 21 Okay, then.

Speaker 22 I like this.

Speaker 21 Yeah.

Speaker 21 So how did we get this?

Speaker 22 Yeah,

Speaker 22 I grew up, you know, just loving rap. I grew up loving rap.
I really wasn't. I would look at church kids.
I thought that was lame. I thought it was corny.

Speaker 22 I didn't grow up in church. I was a free thinker.
My mama was a,

Speaker 22 you know, she was fed by the Black Panther. She just was like, hey, don't get caught up in all that religion.
And, you know, they got too many rules. You can't wear pants.

Speaker 22 You can't wear lipstick so for me i just didn't she didn't we didn't go to church for real so i got to explore on my own and just kind of like see what was real i tried out all kind of stuff and

Speaker 22 you know uh i i love hip-hop i love rap music that was my thing and so when i did meet the lord i had a spiritual transformation you know like as a grown man yes it was already there it was like all right how i'm gonna

Speaker 22 how do i combine what i already know in this new revelation? You dig what I'm saying? So

Speaker 22 that's kind of what it was for me.

Speaker 21 Yeah.

Speaker 22 So I relate, I relate to

Speaker 22 people who, you know, are on the fringes. You know, the church is the greenhouse.
I like the jungle.

Speaker 21 I like it.

Speaker 22 Listen, with you being a fan of hip-hop, what do you think about where the current state of hip-hop is right now?

Speaker 22 Truthfully.

Speaker 22 Yeah, I mean,

Speaker 22 so hip-hop, if I consider myself a part of hip-hop, if I'm healthy, it's healthy. But this is what I say.

Speaker 22 You got a lot of youngins out there who

Speaker 22 don't know about what it used to be. So they're not learning from the past in order to make the present better.
You dig what I'm saying? So a lot of it is disposable music.

Speaker 22 A lot of it is just hot takes and just a lot of stuff. So,

Speaker 22 you know, I like when you can mix the two. I like when you can take the old and mix it with the new, and then you got something good.

Speaker 22 So, there's some stuff that's out there that I dig that I like, and then there's some stuff that I'm like, man, y'all ain't gonna be here in two years, you know what I mean, like y'all gonna be gone.

Speaker 21 So, when you, when you're growing up, and you talk about you listening to rap, so who are some of you, who are some of the uh, the influences?

Speaker 22 Yeah, I listen to everything, so I like you got to understand, I'm a grew up, single-parent household,

Speaker 22 um,

Speaker 22 you know,

Speaker 22 no role model, daddy ran with the Compton Crips, Crips, uncles, gang members. I don't, I don't have any healthy male influences.
So to me, rappers were like my mom and dad.

Speaker 22 So I grew up listening to everything. I listened to, I mean, you name it, I listen to it.
Old school, new school. I would go back to before I was born.
I would listen to Houdini, Easy E,

Speaker 22 then I go to Tupac, and then I go to Lil Wayne, then I go to DMX and Jay-Z,

Speaker 22 like everything.

Speaker 22 I listen to it all.

Speaker 21 So do you feel like that Christian hip-hop, has it broken into mainstream or is there still more work for you to do and others to do?

Speaker 22 I think it's breaking now because people are tired of the same old, same old music-wise.

Speaker 22 And so I came in, I come kicking the door in, you know what I mean? So when I first got started, everybody looked at me like I was crazy. They looked at me like an alien.

Speaker 22 I would come to interviews and they would touch me and they'd be like, so where your choir roll at?

Speaker 21 You know what I mean?

Speaker 22 Yeah, where your choir robe at? And what is this? And what, you know, what do you rap about? Jesus is God.

Speaker 21 And ha ha ha. And I'm like, come on, bro.

Speaker 22 Like, come on, man. Get on.
Get out of here. So,

Speaker 22 you know, once I had the, you know, I did the, you know, the BT cypher. And when I did that, they didn't even know what category to put me in.
So they put me with the international people.

Speaker 22 So then I, when I get on there and I start cutting up, then they're like, man, dude, it's raw. Like, you know, then hip-hop start paying attention.

Speaker 22 And they, you know, so now I'm, you know, the, the, the rapper rappers are like, man, I like buddy, you know, the game and Royster59. And, you know, Beyonce even was like, man, she saw my video.

Speaker 22 Like, man, you know, so then people was like, okay, he nice.

Speaker 22 And now I think because I had to take all them lashes, this younger group of dudes behind me, it's easy for them. Yeah.
They just, they just got to be dope.

Speaker 22 And they got to know how to, you know, don't know about, I don't, I don't, don't nobody wants you to come in condemning people. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 22 Like, we, we may not condone, but we do not condemn. Yes.
Yeah.

Speaker 22 we listen but we don't judge you dig what i'm saying like listen that's you and god got to have some conversations i can't even tell you my journey my story tell you what the lord had told me you know if it if it hits you it hits you if it don't it don't you know what i'm saying like that's how i move was it was it difficult for you especially when you think about hip-hop now and the sound hip-hop is completely different as opposed to how it was 10 years ago when it comes to you and making your music and your sound were you ever

Speaker 22 what's the word i'm looking for Were you ever, was there any discomfort in wanting to stay true to your normal sound and what you do?

Speaker 22 Being in today's era of music sounds completely different than what it used to be? Yeah, I think I'm a bridge. You know, like I'm a,

Speaker 22 I'm in the middle. Like I'm little bro to the old school.

Speaker 22 But I'm big bro to the new school. I'm in the middle of two generations, like J.
Cole would say, you know, I'm in that Kendrick,

Speaker 22 drake cole like

Speaker 22 space

Speaker 22 and so for me it's like i learned from them but i learned from but i learned from them and i live with them too so i just feel like i'm i'm comfortable in both worlds yes you know what i'm saying i'm comfortable in what i'm like yeah i'm like travis hunter on the field you dig what i'm saying i'm offense defense yeah yeah that's what's up I like you know what I'm saying like that I'm fit in both spaces I like that yeah

Speaker 21 let me ask you this I think I'm very interested in this. What do you think the biggest misconception is that people still have about you, the man, versus you, the Christian rapper?

Speaker 22 Come on. I know you grew up in church, Shannon.

Speaker 21 So I already know. Hey,

Speaker 22 I was a junior deacon. I sang in a junior choir.
Oh, Lord God. That makes so much sense.

Speaker 22 That's why you a mess now.

Speaker 22 That makes perfect sense.

Speaker 21 Yeah, he's definitely a mess.

Speaker 21 He's definitely a mess.

Speaker 22 The ones who grow up in it be like, yeah, man, I'm out here. You feel what I'm saying?

Speaker 22 No, for me,

Speaker 22 you got to think, like,

Speaker 22 for a lot of folks who grew up in church, I don't have the same baggage. I don't have the same trauma.

Speaker 22 I don't have like seeing like

Speaker 22 the, you know, people doing one thing on Sunday, another thing on Monday. Like, I don't, I grew up seeing all of that stuff.
So I don't have the trauma.

Speaker 22 I don't have the baggage that a lot of people have grown up. Now I got different stuff from being a rapper and the church having some issues with me.

Speaker 22 I got different stuff for being a black man and like standing up for the rights of black people in church having some issues with that. But I don't have a lot of that church trauma.

Speaker 22 My mama got a lot of that, but I just don't have it. So for me,

Speaker 22 the misconceptions, people come in expecting me to know the hymns. And I don't know the hymns.
I didn't grow up listening to gospel.

Speaker 22 I only like like like kirk franklin and uh fred hammond i only got a couple that i really grew up that i know right so so the misconceptions don't like i'm like bro i'm not what you think i am i'm probably more like you than you know right you know what i mean so you so you didn't grow up with james cleveland and shirley caesar and the mississippi mass choir mass choir

Speaker 21 the falla alabama the five bullet boys

Speaker 22 mighty clouds of joy mighty clouds of joy spirituals bro when i tell you bro my i'll be with my wife my wife grew up in church right and and she'd be like that's uh james cleveland i'm like i don't know who you talking about i had a day they asked me to do this tour the mcdonald's gospel tour i'm on the tour and i'm like they like man you up there with the legends i'm like i don't know none of these people i never heard none of their music i ain't gonna lie to you right you know what i'm saying i'm gonna marry mary

Speaker 22 you know so every night i'm getting on stage And all the church moms just got their arms folded up looking at me like, what you doing here?

Speaker 22 And then I just get to tell them, I say, hey, you may not like what I do, but you got a son in jail. You got a grandson who, you know what I'm saying, who needs something different to listen to.

Speaker 22 I speak they language. You dig what I'm saying? It's like when David tried to put that armor on that didn't fit, he's like, this don't fit me.
You know, give me a sling and some stones.

Speaker 22 I'm going to get the job. And that's me.
I'm like, just give me the sling and the stone.

Speaker 22 The choir robe don't fit me. I like that.
You know what I'm saying? So

Speaker 22 where you grew up at? Where you from originally? So, so originally, I'm Houston, Texas. And then over the years, I moved to the West Coast.
And now I'm in Atlanta.

Speaker 22 So, you know, I got that little hybrid of South and

Speaker 21 West.

Speaker 21 Okay. Well, you pretty much stayed.
I mean, you pretty much stayed in the Bible Belt because you know the South, that's the Bible Belt.

Speaker 22 Yeah.

Speaker 22 No, for sure. For sure.
When I left to the West Coast, that's when I was a little freer. Right.
You know, but I get it. I got a lot of homeboys who grew up in church.

Speaker 22 And I'd be like, in my mind, I'm like. you know, why do you, what are you doing? Is you in or you out? Like, when I'm smoking, I'm smoking.
I'm not smoking and going to Sunday school.

Speaker 22 Like, that's weird for my home.

Speaker 22 I just didn't understand it. Like, it it was a weird concept for me.

Speaker 21 You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 22 Like,

Speaker 22 yeah, it's like, man, we finna go on this church trip. I'm finna get with Sarita.
I'm like, why are you going a church trip to get with a girl? Why don't you just go to the club?

Speaker 21 I don't understand.

Speaker 22 It's a foreign concept to me.

Speaker 21 Hey, I'm a time.

Speaker 22 Go ahead, Ocho. And I was going to say, I really, I really enjoyed that.
I was able to listen to the album earlier today.

Speaker 22 I enjoyed the new album, Reconstruction, you know, Life Do for the Park, Phase 2, Holidays. How long, how long normally does it take take you to

Speaker 22 have a vision in what you create when it comes to making an album and how long does it actually take

Speaker 22 yeah if i'm not inspired the music gonna be it's not gonna it's not gonna hit a nerve right you know what i mean it's just i'm i'm dialing it in yes sir so it's gotta be inspiration and and inspiration see i i think y'all could probably relate to this like it's the reason why people like y'all so the reason why people connect with y'all is because they feel like y'all connected to the culture y'all don't feel so high and mighty even though I know Shannon be on his private jets eating sandwiches and a whole nine.

Speaker 22 You know what I'm saying? Like,

Speaker 21 I owe Delta.

Speaker 22 You don't feel what I'm saying? I know you be on your private jet, Vibe. I'm more like Ocho.
They mad at me because I don't spend enough money. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 22 That's my vibe. My boy was mad at me today.
He said, come on, man. Just...

Speaker 22 you know, spend another $56 and upgrade the vehicle when you go to the rental car place. I said, I'm just going from A to B.
It don't make a difference to me. You dig what I'm saying? Right.
But, but,

Speaker 22 I done forgot what I was, what you asked me again. Oh, I'm going to take the big aspiration.

Speaker 21 Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 22 Yeah. So what I was going to say is when I'm connected to the people, I feel like I'm, I can talk about issues that are relevant.
You know,

Speaker 22 my pastor said something that was dope. He said,

Speaker 22 you know, I was going through the motions and just, you know, he said, hey, man, you smell like cologne. in green rooms.
He said, you need to get some, some, some sheep stuff on your feet, man.

Speaker 22 You don't, you need to smell like, it's like the sheep. And what he was saying was, you need to be connected to the people who need help and who, who, who, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 22 You in the green rooms and you on the private jets and you ain't really connected to the people. So for me, it's like, man, I got to ride the public transportation on one day.

Speaker 22 You know, I need to go to McDonald's and just pull up and I'm going to dap everybody up and I'm going to, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 22 And then I get in the studio and I'm writing for that kid who, you know, is 28 and he's still working at McDonald's and he's trying to figure out what his life going to look like.

Speaker 22 and you dig what I'm saying so then I get in the studio then it get real for me then I start coming up with some some good concepts and and that's how you get that album so it took me a little over a year and a half okay because I had to live some life man I like that I like that I like that you realize in any aspect when you become outspoken it potentially costs you opportunities but you're spoken openly about your faith do you feel that's cost you some opportunities

Speaker 22 it did early early on you know what i'm saying i mean i you know, I think people are more open to spirituality nowadays. Like, even Gen Z, like, they're open to it.

Speaker 22 It's not like taboo like it used to be. You know what I'm saying? So early on, it was like, I couldn't get a sponsorship or, you know, like, oh man, I got the number one album in the country.

Speaker 22 I beat Maroon Five. You know what I'm saying? And I, and I can't get a Verizon deal.
Like, come on, Verizon, like, holler at me. You know what I mean? But it's like,

Speaker 22 well, we don't want to offend nobody. And I'm like, bro.

Speaker 21 You got to be right down the middle.

Speaker 22 I'm like, bro, you got rappers who are literally junkies rapping about being junkies and you and you giving them deals you know what i'm saying i'm sitting here giving people hope and and talking about relevant matters and you know me t.i killer mike we got a song grieving the loved ones that we lost i'm like come on man what are we doing here so so yes i caught flack for that early on and then i just you know just hate because people was like gospel rap christian rap i remember i'll never forget bro i i went my uh um shout out to uh bobby jackson when he was coach of the sacramento kings you know he he loved the lord he said hey man why don't you come to a practice i said for sure man i'll be honored you know so i'm in the practice you know players shooting around he pull all the players together he like hey y'all uh i had my little my box this is back when i had mixtapes when we listened to cds you know i had my box of mixtapes

Speaker 22 and uh

Speaker 22 Bobby Jackson said, hey, y'all, y'all gather around, gather around. Y'all, we got us a gospel rapper here today.
And I was like, oh, no, Bobby, you shouldn't have said that.

Speaker 22 You should have just said a rapper. Rapper.
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 22 You should have, ah, you know, not that I don't love the Lord, but I just knew what their brain was going to think when they heard that.

Speaker 22 So as soon as he said that, you can just see everybody be like, man.

Speaker 22 And so then I got my little mixtape. I'm like trying to pass out my mixtape.
It's free.

Speaker 22 And then I heard, and one of the players, man, I ain't going to say his name, but, you know, Boogie took my CD and said, I don't want no gospel rap. You dig what I'm saying?

Speaker 21 And I was like,

Speaker 22 you know, so, you know,

Speaker 22 it was wild, man. That's the type of stuff I used to have to deal with.
Now it's cool, but back in the day, man, it was rough.

Speaker 21 Who do you think judge you harder? Pastors or rappers?

Speaker 22 Is that a question?

Speaker 21 Yeah.

Speaker 22 But who killed Jesus? The religious people?

Speaker 21 What? Because

Speaker 21 they say you played with the Lord.

Speaker 22 Man, the religious people will, boy. Yeah.

Speaker 22 Boy. Yeah.
They will crucify you, boy. Listen.

Speaker 21 And behind. Yeah, you can make a case.
More people done die behind religion than any other.

Speaker 22 The funny thing about it, the most religious, the most religious that condemn everything else outside of what their beliefs may be, they do the worst things behind closed doors.

Speaker 22 And that's the, you see, so that's why I tell people, you know, I got a song on the album called Erase Me.

Speaker 22 I don't push religion. I push relationship.
You dig what I'm saying? because yes

Speaker 22 let's just let's look at it like like my wife for instance if i'm if i'm religion is rules and duty if i come home at night and i knock on the bedroom door i say hey baby uh it's my duty to get you these flowers so here you go

Speaker 22 i'm sleeping on the couch you know what i'm saying right but if i come home And if it's about relationship, then I say, you know what, girl, I was thinking about you all day.

Speaker 22 I love the relationship that we got.

Speaker 22 And I was just thinking about how awesome you are, how much i appreciate you and i got you these flowers just to show you my my love for you that's relationship okay and it's gonna be a good night yeah i see what you're saying

Speaker 21 i see what you're putting down

Speaker 21 i see what you put down i see what you put down

Speaker 22 and so does she yeah okay and so here's the thing

Speaker 22 all i'm saying is if you treating god like it's religion, like duty, that ain't you, all you're doing is following orders.

Speaker 22 And as soon as you feel like he ain't looking, looking, you're going to wild out. But if you got a good relationship with him, then you're going to do stuff because you're like, man, I love you, man.

Speaker 22 I just want to do what you want me to do. It ain't me following rules.
So that's what I'm saying. I don't rock with the legalistic rule following religious folk.

Speaker 22 I'm with people who got such a good relationship with God. They don't want to do nothing stupid because it's like, man, I got a good relationship.
That's what I'm on.

Speaker 21 How old were you

Speaker 21 when the Lord spoke to you or you got that say, you know what? This is my calling.

Speaker 21 I went to high school with a guy. We call him preacher.
His name is Carrie McNeill, and he's a pastor. And everybody knew, because as long as I can remember, he carried a Bible.
I mean, he had to be.

Speaker 21 He probably was like 11, 12 years old, and he carried that Bible. And we called him Preacher.
I don't think anybody called him his real name except the school teachers. Everybody called him preacher.

Speaker 21 And sure enough, to this day, he's a pastor. How old were you when you received the word? When you received the call and said, you know what?

Speaker 21 This is what I'm talking about.

Speaker 22 This is the page I'm about to be on.

Speaker 22 I think think I was, I was

Speaker 22 1920.

Speaker 22 I started getting real sick because, you know, 1920,

Speaker 22 I was like, all right, I met God. This is real.
I want to change.

Speaker 22 But

Speaker 22 you know how it is with anybody. When they have an awakening, they be real passionate.
It's like when your friend first become a vegan, he like, man, don't eat no meat.

Speaker 22 Don't eat no meat. You don't need to eat meat.
Meat is bad. I got a vegan spot over here.
You know, you just on fire. Like, it's an awakening.
So I had my awakening, but then,

Speaker 22 you know, real life hits you. And you realize, like, okay, wait a minute.

Speaker 22 This excitement is great, but I still got to live real life. And then you start having problems and then the temptations come along.
And

Speaker 22 then, you know, when you mess up, which I did, because, you know,

Speaker 22 the ladies was a struggle for me. You dig what I'm saying? I'm 20 years old.
So you dig what I'm saying?

Speaker 22 So

Speaker 22 for me, I was like, well, I messed up so bad. I can't really

Speaker 21 go back out.

Speaker 22 You feel what I'm saying? Yeah. Because I didn't want to be no hypocrite.
But the reality was,

Speaker 22 you know, a lot of times that shame keeps us from growing. It's like a baby taking steps.
Like when a baby falls, you don't say, you stupid baby. Why you falling? You say, it's all right.

Speaker 22 Get it up and keep walking. So that's what I needed to get up and keep walking.

Speaker 22 And so 20, about 23, I was real serious, but I i wasn't like your man what's his name uh uh that you was just talking about the preacher preacher man kurt frankly no your man that that you went to school with oh

Speaker 21 yeah yeah carrie carry mcneil

Speaker 22 i was i wasn't like him okay you dig what i'm saying i was just because i had models of of dudes who was they still kept they sauce but they love god you see what i'm saying i if i'm being honest with you i don't know your brother that well but i feel like i was probably like your brother because when your brother got up to do his hall of fame speech, man, that was that to me

Speaker 22 is the way you walk your faith out. It ain't, it was, it didn't feel like he was like, now everybody open up to the book of 32 songs.
You dig what I'm saying? Yeah.

Speaker 22 He just was like, being real was a real moment. He shared his love for his brother.
He talked about what God did. You know what I'm saying? I was like, man, you got to love that.

Speaker 22 You got to respect that.

Speaker 21 Yeah.

Speaker 21 You wouldn't know that if you just met him. You wouldn't know that.

Speaker 21 Yeah. And I don't remember when he actually became, but he was always, you know,

Speaker 21 you know, we were like Ocho said, we, we, we were actually junior deacons. We had to lead devotional service, we had to lead prayer.

Speaker 21 So it wasn't just, and you know, we couldn't get up there and say, no, happy Easter day.

Speaker 21 We had to say this long, long speech that took at least a minute, minute and a half, or we had to pray, or we had to do something.

Speaker 21 So our grandfather, you know, kept us very, very involved in the church. And, but, like you said,

Speaker 21 I kind of went away from that because it's like when you make somebody do something all the time.

Speaker 21 So, we had to go to Bible study, we had to go to choir practice, we got to go to dance, and we at church, you know, every single Sunday, and we at Bible study, and we at devotional, and we at all this stuff.

Speaker 21 I'm like, man, as soon as I ain't got to go, I ain't going.

Speaker 21 He kept like when I went to college, I was like, Well, I ain't got no church, even though there's a church right across the street from the school.

Speaker 22 Yeah, yeah,

Speaker 21 he

Speaker 21 like went to college and found a church, church and still wow

Speaker 21 and went.

Speaker 21 And

Speaker 21 I remember

Speaker 21 one year he got me a gift,

Speaker 21 had it in a nice little box and everything. I was like, oh, but bro, to hook it up.
We both in the league. Yeah.

Speaker 21 He left it

Speaker 21 at the house in Glibya, at my grandmother's house. And Libby say, my sister, Libby, call her Libby, call her Buck.

Speaker 21 She says, Spanky, left your uh your birthday gift uh on on in the room i was like okay

Speaker 21 it was a bible

Speaker 22 you thought it was gonna be you thought he's gonna put you with some ice

Speaker 21 to this day as a matter of fact i still

Speaker 21 and then what i thought about it like man

Speaker 21 bible Denver Broncos, Shanna Sharp, number 85, got all the stuff on it. I mean, it's like,

Speaker 21 it's one of my most prized possessions because I know he gave, he gave it to me, the sincerity in which he gave it to me.

Speaker 21 That's what, that's what meant the most. He could have bought me anything, could have bought me a car, could have bought me a chain, but it was this, like, this.

Speaker 21 And

Speaker 21 that, that Bible, that Bible means a lot to me. And he still, he still calls me, hey,

Speaker 21 to the day, he'll call out of the blue. And I don't know how he knows.
God is giving him a special ability because when I really need it, because he can,

Speaker 21 man, man, he can, he can, he can, he can get through to me when a lot of other people can't. And he's just like, hey,

Speaker 21 get in your Bible. Yeah.

Speaker 22 Bruh, he gave you what was precious to him. You know what I'm saying? He gave you what's precious to him.
And now

Speaker 22 I have to just take a pause for a second because you said something and it hit me.

Speaker 22 You said Buck and Spanky, right?

Speaker 21 Yeah.

Speaker 22 Yeah, it hit me. Y'all country in the mud.

Speaker 21 we grew up we definitely grew i grew up in rural south georgia we had about we had 3 500 people we had about 300 people 350 people in my high school uh has i think 58 59 people in my graduating class so yeah we

Speaker 21 when you got somebody somebody black walk around you still calling them buck in the 1900s bro i mean you get a nickname if you're in the south and you got a nickname oh that's your name that's your name for life for life

Speaker 21 even in your obituary, they're going to put your real name, but they're going to put your nickname in parentheses.

Speaker 22 What was your nickname?

Speaker 21 I didn't have, I mean, uh, I didn't really, my um, they called me.

Speaker 21 No, no, no. Most of the time,

Speaker 21 they called me, they called me Chateau.

Speaker 22 Why?

Speaker 21 Because I liked the final things when I was growing up. I would spend all my money on the izod shirt.
Yeah, I would spend all my money on the eyes shirt. I might have $30.

Speaker 21 My brother would go get like three shirts. I'm going to get one shirt.
So they started calling me Chateau.

Speaker 21 But you know what?

Speaker 21 It's funny that you say that and your experience because everybody,

Speaker 21 how they receive God, when they receive God,

Speaker 21 everybody

Speaker 21 goes through something. And for you not to have gone through anything traumatic, you said, hey, you just felt it was that time.
He had spoken to you earlier.

Speaker 21 You kind of like started trying to, you all gung-ho.

Speaker 22 Like, nah, I'm going to put that aside because i'm i'm i'm i'm i'm i'm i'm wilding out so he he ain't pleased with me right now but guess what you came right back yeah came back had to i you know i had my season you know what i mean i i now my childhood was crazy you know my mama was great but i just did a bunch of stupid stuff you know growing up and and so I had a lot of trauma I hadn't processed anyway.

Speaker 22 So for me, it was like trying to work through that.

Speaker 22 And it was like, some stuff, it's like, yes,

Speaker 22 you need God, you need the Bible, you need prayer, but you also need therapy, my dog. You know what I'm saying? You need some extra help to process some of the stuff that I was going through.

Speaker 22 And the music was a therapy for me for a season. Just like, I had to get this stuff off my chest and just, you know what I mean, let people, you know, let me, it helped heal.
It was healing for me.

Speaker 22 So that's, that's why, you know, but that was my outlet. You know what I'm saying? It was kind of like,

Speaker 22 you know, I never, I never had

Speaker 22 now, now the crazy part, I'm 6'4.

Speaker 22 you know what i mean my dad is six six five my brother's six seven

Speaker 22 and you know we didn't grow up my pops if we would have grew up with my pops i feel like if i would have had he was like a playground all-star if i would have had him i feel like somebody would have pushed me towards my mama didn't know sports the the coach was like well you should let me take him she's like nah i don't like that i feel like

Speaker 22 you know i might have had a different path a different life you may not have heard my music you may you know i'm saying you may have seen me you know that ain't what god intended for you bro exactly you get what i'm saying

Speaker 21 exactly so he gonna put you on the road where you need to be when you need to be there yeah all right with me

Speaker 22 yeah i i've been i've been in the studio and you know i have i have a background in gospel as well i was i sang in the junior choir i sang with the senior choir um so if if at any point you know you want to work together and and go man i mean yeah i'm here i'm here let me tell you something

Speaker 22 i know hip hop and i know

Speaker 22 and we can we heard yeah we can intertwine the two and we could do some we we could do god's work

Speaker 22 i'm gonna i'm gonna pray about that

Speaker 22 because you know what i'm saying let me pray about it please please pray for it you know i'm gonna pray about that i could i could i could now what let's just start off on just you being like my financial advisor okay you dig what i'm saying

Speaker 22 we can start there that's see that's that's why i love you that's why i love you because it's about baby steps it's about baby before you walk so i can help you in the area of being financially savvy and financially conscious my brothers right in the way we can go on tour because because god gave me the money to be a good steward with it see you know what i'm saying dog and if i don't you gotta have you see everybody need coaches yes you know what i'm saying so i did just like if you can coach me on how to not spend the bag right you know what i mean hey listen i'm gonna tell you one thing yep i got a sister named ruth and i'm gonna tell you the truth

Speaker 22 we're gonna we're gonna make magic right we're gonna make magic

Speaker 22 i'm with you man i'm with you because listen i you know what i'm saying i'm i don't i'm i'm i'm tight and then i'll be you know sometimes i'll be hanging with rappers and rappers be wanting to spend money and i'm like man y'all really just be out here i just yeah they feel like i did i need to hold on to mine You feel me?

Speaker 22 Hey, matter of fact, this is that. All right, I'm going to get a little serious.
Now, I'm not going to play in. All right.
My finances. Okay.
My area of expertise.

Speaker 22 I'm brilliant in that area when it comes to saving and finding deals and stuff like that. But then I'm going to need you to talk to me.
Okay. Okay.
Come on. Listen.

Speaker 22 Marriage in your 20s, not having the discipline you had.

Speaker 22 You could, boom, coach your boy up in that area. Because

Speaker 22 I'm trying to get to the promised land. Yeah, I think I can help you, bro.

Speaker 22 I think I can help you, bro. I'm not even, yeah.

Speaker 21 Your problem is you done been to the promised land far too many times, right?

Speaker 21 You get what I put down.

Speaker 22 You now, you, you, you wandering in the desert right now, my brother. You got to get out the desert.
You see what I'm saying? You got to get out the day.

Speaker 22 You got to quit striking the rock to get water out of it. You dig what I'm saying? And just let the Lord bring you the living water.
Right. You dig what I'm saying?

Speaker 22 Well, he brought it to me, but this time I want to make sure I'm drinking it the right way. Okay.

Speaker 22 Stay with me. Stay with me.
I'm with with you.

Speaker 21 Okay. I'm with you.
You know what?

Speaker 21 Help me understand this because

Speaker 21 I think it's going to, it's extremely hard

Speaker 21 if you think the

Speaker 21 if you've really never been monogamous in a relationship,

Speaker 21 you think the first time that you're going to be monogamous is when you get married. I think that's you setting yourself up for failure.
Yeah.

Speaker 22 Yeah.

Speaker 21 Go ahead. Go ahead.
I'm going to let you take it away.

Speaker 22 No, I'm going to say you need some training wheels. You need some training wheels.
Yeah.

Speaker 22 No, real talk. Yeah, I know this from experience, yes,

Speaker 21 because

Speaker 21 I think people think that marriage solves, but it does not.

Speaker 22 No, no, because you, if you're looking to find wholeness in another person, you're gonna fail every time.

Speaker 22 You, you, people be saying, oh, I want somebody to complete me. Well, if you don't feel like you're a complete person, you don't need to be getting nobody else.

Speaker 21 You feel what I'm saying?

Speaker 22 Come on, you a half a person right now. Yeah, you need to chill and get yourself whole.

Speaker 21 Happiness is not something, it's not something you find. Happiness is something you create.

Speaker 22 Yeah, man. I think

Speaker 21 not someone else or found in someone else. Yeah.

Speaker 22 Like, like, you know,

Speaker 22 we, I got married young because I knew I was like, I didn't have all the answers. I didn't know exactly everything.
I knew I wanted to follow God. I want to do it the right way.

Speaker 22 I was blessed. You know what I'm saying? I was young and I made

Speaker 22 a decision based off of what I knew at the time.

Speaker 22 I was blessed to get somebody who's amazing. But I will say, from coming from being a young, but listen,

Speaker 22 I pledged Kappa Alpha Psi

Speaker 22 at Middle Tennessee State University.

Speaker 21 It was,

Speaker 22 it's a wild situation.

Speaker 21 So I could imagine.

Speaker 22 Yeah, it was a wild situation. You dig what I'm saying? We going TSU.
We going to Fisk. I'm going to Texas.
I'm going to Prairie View. I was like, it was kind of crazy.
So

Speaker 22 what I had to do was I had to develop some discipline as a single man before I could really jump into relationships. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 21 You got to get it under control.

Speaker 22 Yeah. That's right.

Speaker 22 That's right.

Speaker 21 Yeah.

Speaker 22 So I had to develop some discipline as a single man and realize, hey, I can chill. I can, let me just be, you know,

Speaker 22 abstain and learn to just, let me walk with God. And I felt like, you know, I was running my race.
And then I started running my race. I'm running after the Lord.

Speaker 22 I'm just doing what I'm supposed to do, get my life together, my finance together. I'm focused.
I'm running. And then I hear somebody running next to me.
I said, oh, shoot, she fine. Is she fast?

Speaker 22 That's, see, that, see, that's, that's how it happened to me. That just, just like that, because I was running.
You hear me?

Speaker 22 And before I looked up, i looked up you know somebody was running with me so what i did right away what i did right away is i went and got baptized because the last one started wearing off

Speaker 22 so it was it was for me it was a it was a mental reset it was a mental reset so i've been on point

Speaker 22 for you know for some time since this person like joined messiah so i'm like boy i want to i want to go to the promised land where you at though Okay, okay. So, boom, that's my little therapy.

Speaker 22 Now my man said it started wearing off. Like the water started drying up on me.

Speaker 21 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 22 I had to take another dip.

Speaker 22 This man is wild.

Speaker 21 Well, Glenda.

Speaker 21 What do you think thus far?

Speaker 21 You still it, you're still young, man.

Speaker 21 What do you think

Speaker 21 your greatest accomplishment is thus far? Is it your faith, your walk with God, the studio albums, the success? What do you think your greatest accomplishment is?

Speaker 22 It sure ain't my walk with God. My walk with God, boy.

Speaker 22 Boy, I'm going to make it to heaven limping.

Speaker 21 He done had to carry me.

Speaker 22 You know what I'm saying? I always tell people, listen, I ain't a Christian because I got it all together. I'm a Christian because I'm weak and I need a savior, boy.

Speaker 22 He didn't have to carry me in there, boy.

Speaker 21 So, those footprints, those footprints, those set of footprints, that's him carrying you. That's not you walking along.

Speaker 22 Facts. Big facts.
Yeah.

Speaker 22 I mean,

Speaker 22 you know, you get a renewed mind, you get a new nature.

Speaker 22 You know,

Speaker 22 you start following

Speaker 22 as he leads and guides. But, you know, you're still human and you got to wrestle through your humanity.
But for me,

Speaker 22 you know, I didn't have all of the things, number one albums,

Speaker 22 success, all the trappings of success. I didn't have all them things.
And I thought that was going to make me feel accomplished. I thought that was going to bring me a sense of satisfaction.

Speaker 22 What I realized is it's never enough. You only climb a mountain, get to the top to realize, oh, there's another mountain.

Speaker 22 You know what I'm saying? It's like, oh, man, it's just, and then you get to the top of one and now you fighting. everybody else trying to get up there so you can keep your spot.

Speaker 22 Like, you know what I mean?

Speaker 22 And it's just kind of like, think about it if you think about you get yourself a super bowl ring as soon as the next season starts what you doing trying to get another one you know what i'm saying chasing another one so

Speaker 22 i i feel like the greatest accomplishment for me if i'm being honest is being a present father in my kids lives because i never had that right That's the, that's, it's breaking a cycle. I don't know.

Speaker 22 My mama don't know her dad or she knows her dad. She didn't grow up with her dad.
I don't know if he grew up with his dad. My dad didn't grow up with his dad.
I didn't grow up with my dad.

Speaker 22 So for me, it's breaking that cycle. And now

Speaker 22 my kids are being raised with a father present in their lives. You know what I mean? Like, I'm going to be the first grandfather that's going to exist.

Speaker 22 Like, I never knew a grandfather, like a biological grandfather.

Speaker 21 I never knew that.

Speaker 22 My mama ain't never knew a grandfather. So I'm going to be the first grandfather that any of my generation, any generation in our family has seen in generations.

Speaker 21 Wow. It's crazy.

Speaker 22 Yeah.

Speaker 21 Man, LeCrae, thank you for stopping by, man. We really appreciate your time.

Speaker 21 Much continued success.

Speaker 21 Four-time Grammy Award-winning artist. He's an author.
He's an activist. He's an actor.
His 10th studio album, Reconstruction, with album features from T.I. Killermack, John Bellin, and Friday.

Speaker 21 Man, continued success. Congratulations on your walk with God.
We all can use that. And trust me.
Trust me. Amen.

Speaker 22 I know you know.

Speaker 22 So listen, listen man i i before you dip i just gonna say that i was gonna say that man listen i always tell people this i say it all the time and i'm telling y'all as well man be encouraged because if you woke up today that mean god ain't done right in your story so man you know keep pressing bro keep pressing like we ain't no like

Speaker 22 people throw people away god don't throw nobody away that's why my album called reconstruction You know what I'm saying? God don't throw people away.

Speaker 22 God figure out how to reconstruct them into something better than they were. So, man, I just want to tell you that, man, be encouraged.

Speaker 22 Like, you know, you, you valuable you you got worth purpose and man listen you know we we we we we gonna we're gonna continue rocking with you supporting you praying for you and man you know i love y'all man appreciate y'all thank y'all for having me on the nightcap you did thank you bro i appreciate that man continue success yeah much love look ray chat

Speaker 21 man that was that was unbelievable conversation on yo that was dope that's one of the best conversations i think we've had we've had a lot of people come on here and have a conversation um but i think that's one of our better conversations

Speaker 21 I know I definitely needed to hear a lot of what he was saying. Yeah.
Yeah.

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Speaker 21 All right, Ocho, the big news of the day, when a video emerged this morning that Roger Jackson unleashed a violent attack on

Speaker 21 Seiko Stew.

Speaker 21 Psycho Stew, rendering him unconscious during a wrestling event in Los Angeles.

Speaker 21 LAPD confirmed to TMZ that officers were called to the wrestling show Saturday night, took a police report, and have launched an investigation into the incident.

Speaker 21 The shocking moment unfolded at a private Knox Pro Academy wrestling event. Rajah knocked out Psycho Stew, then continued

Speaker 21 pummeling him long after he was down. Rajah's dad, Rampage Jackson, put out a statement.
I want to clear up misinformation about my son, Raja.

Speaker 21 I've been confirmed that the wrestler, Stuart Smith, aka Psycho Stu, is awake and stable. Rajah was unexpectedly hit in the head of the head by him moments before the Smiths match.

Speaker 21 Raja was told that he could get his payback in the ring. I thought it was a part of the show.
It was bad judgment and it worked that went wrong.

Speaker 21 Raja is an MMA fighter, not a pro wrestler, and he had no business being

Speaker 21 involved in an event like this. I don't condone my son's action at all.
He suffered a concussion from sparring only days ago and had no business doing anything remotely close to physical contact.

Speaker 21 As a father, I'm deeply concerned with his health and his well-being of Mr. Smith.
That being said, I'm very upset that any kind of any of this happened, but my main concern now that Mr.

Speaker 21 Smith will make a speedy recovery, I apologize on behalf of the kick for this situation.

Speaker 21 Video later emerged of the incident that happened hours before. Let's take a look at this, Ocho.

Speaker 21 Hey, I see. That's a little bit.

Speaker 21 He's not a worker, bro. Calm down.
Yeah, what the he's at?

Speaker 21 You don't sell it? He's still. He's living.

Speaker 21 Hold on, hold on, hold on.

Speaker 21 I don't play that shit, bro.

Speaker 21 I know. I know you will.
We're good.

Speaker 21 I will him up, bro.

Speaker 22 Hey, I'm

Speaker 22 confused.

Speaker 22 What did he do to to his head? Did he hit him? Did he smack him?

Speaker 21 I mean, it was.

Speaker 21 It's supposed to have been a prop. So I guess they were supposed to be rehearsing.

Speaker 22 Okay, okay.

Speaker 21 And

Speaker 21 they were supposed to take this into the, just like it's scripted, just like WWE.

Speaker 22 Yeah, like wrestling. Yeah.

Speaker 21 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 21 And so I guess.

Speaker 21 He suffered, his dad, Rampage, said he suffered a concussion earlier, I guess, in a sparring session. Right.

Speaker 21 Because I saw that video where he got kicked in the the head and he kind of stumbled a little bit.

Speaker 22 Oh, I saw that when I saw that. I saw that on Twitter.

Speaker 21 Okay, okay, okay. And then you see a situation like this.

Speaker 22 Right.

Speaker 21 You got to be careful, you know, putting people in situations that they're not used to. Right.

Speaker 21 Because so now they're telling himself, oh, now you can get your opportunity to get back. Well, he thought he was getting back because he picked the guy up and he's, you know, he power slammed him.

Speaker 21 And the first thing to hit was the psychos dude's head. So once he slammed him, he's out.
Right. He's out.

Speaker 22 And is that where he kept punching dude?

Speaker 21 I saw yes, and I guess they thought it was a part of the script because nobody intervened, right? And then they realized, like, nah, this ain't a part of the script, right?

Speaker 22 Oh, that's tough. That's tough.
It is.

Speaker 22 It is. When it comes to wrestling, obviously, it wouldn't be anything real.
Um, I mean, that's unfortunate. That's unfortunate.
I'm it, dude. Dude, is okay now, though, right?

Speaker 21 Dude, that, um, that's what that's what Rampey says, that he's he's he's awake. Um,

Speaker 21 but I'm just going by what Rampage said. So his father, I don't know.

Speaker 22 That's tough, man. That's tough.
That's tough. I'm not sure.
I mean, why he would have gone with the fight if he felt insulted, you know,

Speaker 22 prop at the beginning.

Speaker 22 He didn't have to do it.

Speaker 21 I think they told him, so, oh, Joe, you know, he went through with it because, okay, now you get your payback.

Speaker 21 Yeah. So he was, but see, and the thing is, I don't know.

Speaker 22 No payback to get if it's not real. If it's not real and it's scripted, there's no payback to get.

Speaker 22 You should just call it off, if anything.

Speaker 21 But but I don't think they thought it would get to this,

Speaker 21 you know what I'm saying? It's like, you know, uh,

Speaker 21 he snapped. Uh, there's no way, there's there's no way around it.
You hear stories of somebody blacking out and just like just going crazy, going haywire.

Speaker 21 He snapped, he did

Speaker 21 because

Speaker 21 that's when you what uh uh and and and law enforcement, that's what they call overkill.

Speaker 21 yes sir when somebody when somebody gets stabbed a hundred times yes a lot of times the knife is still going into the same wound that's overkill what he did was he snapped he just lost

Speaker 22 his ability to to stop damn man that's

Speaker 22 that's that's

Speaker 21 oop almost it's it's it's uh it's a very tough situation for all parties involved hopefully uh uh uh rajak you know gets the uh the assistance that he needs. Hopefully

Speaker 21 Psycho Stu, he makes a full and speedy recovery.

Speaker 21 But this is a very, very, very, very unfortunate situation.

Speaker 21 Vikings trade quarterback Sam Howe to the Eagles, signed quarterback Carson Wentz. Ocho, do you like Carson Wentz mentoring J.J.
McCarthy?

Speaker 22 Yeah.

Speaker 22 Yeah, I mean, Carson Wentz, once who had success, a lot of success with the Eagles before Jalen Hurts took over. Carson Wentz was extremely good and very promising before tearing his ACL,

Speaker 22 if you don't remember.

Speaker 22 So I think him

Speaker 22 mentoring JJ could be good. Could be good.
And it'd be a good backup as well for JJ McCarthy. So

Speaker 22 I think that's pretty dope. And

Speaker 22 it's also a player where JJ doesn't have to be looking over his shoulder as well. Right.
I think that also bothers. I'm not saying JJ's the veteran, but players

Speaker 22 like that.

Speaker 22 Second-case quarterbacks can be.

Speaker 21 You want a long leash. You don't want a short one.

Speaker 22 A short, exactly.

Speaker 21 I throw an interception, and I'm coming to the sideline. The coach is shaking his head, and you see the quarterback on the sideline warming up.

Speaker 22 They're warming up. Yeah, yeah.
That's a situation where he doesn't have to worry about that, which

Speaker 22 can be kind of tricky in a sense. So that's something JJ doesn't have to worry about.
I think JJ McCarthy is going to be fine as long as

Speaker 22 Brother Justin Jefferson is healthy. Jordan Addison has what, what, two or three games? Three games.
Three games. He'll be fine.

Speaker 21 Aaron Jones, they got Hawkinson.

Speaker 22 They got Hawkinson. So

Speaker 22 JJ is going to be all right. He's going to be all right.

Speaker 21 ESPN analyst Sam Ocho criticized Barriers quarterback Caleb Williams for wearing his socks halfway, calling it sloppy and lack of leadership.

Speaker 21 Another thing is a little thing, but a big thing. Even just some of the uniform stuff.
Look at the socks halfway down.

Speaker 22 That means nothing. Come on, Acho.
Come on, baby. Come on.
I love you to death. It means nothing.
It doesn't.

Speaker 22 It means nothing. You know, wearing your socks high, wearing your socks low means nothing.

Speaker 22 Come on, we're doing too much now. We just, come on.
Come on.

Speaker 21 I guess if it's an opportunity to criticize, I don't know. Like I said, I like Caleb Williams.
I think he's going to be good. I like him in this offense.

Speaker 21 You know, obviously he's going to have to do a better job of getting the ball out of his hand, realizing that he can't make every play. I love they surrounded him with talent.

Speaker 21 You go out, they take a receiver, I think, at the second round. They got DJ Moore.
They got a Dunesay. They took

Speaker 21 a tight end in the first round, pairing with Cole Comet. They've rebuilt the offensive line.
I like what they've done in Chicago to help Caleb Williams reach his potential.

Speaker 21 Now it's going to be incumbent on him to reach that.

Speaker 21 potential because they've given him a hedge, which is an offensive line to protect him, and they've given him skill position players to make his job

Speaker 21 he don't have to lift as much as he normally he normally would have to lift yeah absolutely

Speaker 21 but i i agree with you ocho i i'm not getting caught up into no socks or something like that it's not that big of a deal he's nitpicking we nitpicking like come on now

Speaker 22 come on now

Speaker 22 yeah we talk about socks

Speaker 21 uh lamar jackson needs 500 rushing yards this season to pass cam newton for the most 500 plus rushing yard seasons by a quarterback in NFL history. Does he get it, Ocho?

Speaker 22 Absolutely. We talk about Cam.

Speaker 22 We talk about Lamar Jackson. We talk about young bull from Pompano.
We talk about young Bull that went to Boynton Beach High School. One of the better quarterbacks in not just NFL,

Speaker 22 the AFC North as well.

Speaker 22 He's going to get it. Absolutely.
I would love to see him repeat what he did last year. A 41 touchdown season,

Speaker 22 4,000 plus something yards. I don't even know how many rushing yards he had last year, but he had one hell of a season.
He had an MVP season.

Speaker 22 Unfortunately, he didn't get the MVP, but I'm sure he's probably going to repeat what he did last year.

Speaker 22 As much as I love Lamar Jackson, as much as I love the Ravens,

Speaker 22 the Bengals went in the AFC North, though. They're not.
I just had to throw that in there, too.

Speaker 21 You know what?

Speaker 22 Talk to me.

Speaker 21 I'm not going to be surprised if Lamar Jackson rushed for 10,000 yards.

Speaker 22 Where is he at right now, you think?

Speaker 21 He's going to get 10,000.

Speaker 21 He's going to end his career with 40, 50,000 passing yards and 10,000.

Speaker 21 He's going to be like LeBron. Like LeBron got going to have like 40 plus thousand points.
Right. And then he's going to have like, you know, this many rebounds, 10,000 rebounds, 10,000 assists.

Speaker 21 Lamar Jackson is going to have 40,000, 50,000 passing yards and 10,000 rush yards. Something that we ain't not going to see again.

Speaker 22 I don't think he'll get 10,000 plus passing yards. I think as he gets older.

Speaker 21 I mean, rush yards.

Speaker 22 Rush yards.

Speaker 22 I think as he gets older and the skill being able to run the ball deteriorates, I think he makes up for it in other areas, which is why he's gotten so well and so good and polished in the passing game.

Speaker 21 How many yards? How many rush yards Lamar got? He probably over 6,000 now.

Speaker 21 He got 6,100 right now, Ocho.

Speaker 22 Yeah, but nah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Another, another full thousand.
That's a whole, that's a whole lot of rushing, huh?

Speaker 21 Ocho, think about it, Ocho. That man had 800 last year and lit lit like nothing yeah yeah

Speaker 22 yeah

Speaker 21 that's it i mean he uh lamar came out in 20

Speaker 21 2018

Speaker 21 lamar came out in 2018 right yeah think about that ocho yeah man eight years deep

Speaker 21 you right yeah he's getting 10 he's getting 10 bands

Speaker 22 his game has changed though game has changed

Speaker 22 i don't even see i don't even see see lamar i mean honestly even with the rushing yards i don't even see him as a running quarterback.

Speaker 22 He's a thrower of the ball first, if you notice how his game has changed and evolved over time.

Speaker 21 Yeah, he's gotten better. He's got better.

Speaker 22 Lamar Jackson is running the ball if he just has to and has no other goddamn choice.

Speaker 21 Yeah.

Speaker 21 We know,

Speaker 21 look, in order for him to, this offense to go and for them to win, he had to evolve. He just couldn't be what he once was.

Speaker 21 And he's gotten better and better every year at throwing the football. They've given him added weapons.

Speaker 21 So yeah, I don't.

Speaker 21 Yeah, he's going to get better and better. And all I said is, look, if he can get his arms to be 80% of his legs,

Speaker 21 he'd be the best quarterback in the league. Yeah.
Well, shit. Nah, he damn near 90%.
Not his arm, damn near 90% of his legs.

Speaker 22 Yeah.

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Speaker 21 That's what makes you so goddamn dangerous man hell yeah i know oh joe draft kings rank every afc and nfc wide receiver duo heading into the upcoming season

Speaker 22 here they go hold on hold on hey send me that ass you might have seen it already there it is there it is hold on here we go

Speaker 22 okay you see who number one is hey chat chat do y'all see who number one is Huh?

Speaker 21 The team that missed the playoffs last year.

Speaker 22 That ain't got nothing to do with what we talking about. I just said, do you see who number one is?

Speaker 21 Yeah, we see that.

Speaker 22 Okay. Wait a minute.

Speaker 22 How the hell?

Speaker 22 Okay.

Speaker 22 Oh, oh, no. Oh, this order.
This order. This order is a no-no.

Speaker 21 Okay, tell me what you got.

Speaker 22 For one, where the hell is golfing and Montrose St. Brown?

Speaker 21 That's the AFC.

Speaker 22 Oh, oh, that's the NFC, you mean?

Speaker 21 This is the AFC. You're looking at the AFC.

Speaker 22 My bad.

Speaker 22 I thought it was a hole. My bad.
I'm glad you said something.

Speaker 21 I'm about to say we ranked every AFC quarterback, wide receiver, duo. You told Ash to send it to you.
It's up there on your screen and you got it.

Speaker 22 I know. I'm looking at it.
I'm looking at it. Okay.
I like.

Speaker 22 Well, wait a minute.

Speaker 22 Well, no, I think Lamar, Lamar, Lamar, and

Speaker 22 Lamar and Zay should be two.

Speaker 22 Lad McConkie

Speaker 22 and Herbert should be three.

Speaker 22 Oh, wait a minute. Hell no.

Speaker 22 Man, C.J. Stroud.

Speaker 22 CJ Stroud and Nico Collins should be before Pat Mahomes and Rashid Rice.

Speaker 22 Hey, boy, this is good right here. This is good.
This is good.

Speaker 22 So

Speaker 22 at two, I'm putting Lamar and Zay Flowers.

Speaker 22 And then I'm going Nico Collins. and CJ Shroud.
Then Lad McConkey and Justin Herbert, because Lad McConkey and Justin Herbert, Ladarius McConkey, boy, they be they be cutting up out there.

Speaker 21 Look where they got your teeth, look where they got Miami.

Speaker 22 Yeah, and they're only doing that because they're only doing that because Tuan and Enrique had a down here. They'll be back this year.
They'll be back this year.

Speaker 22 Hey, Josh Allen

Speaker 22 and Khalil Shakur.

Speaker 22 So after after after Herbert, then

Speaker 22 I'm going Mahomes and Rashid Rice, and then Josh Allen and Shakira. And after that,

Speaker 22 the order is pretty much, you got some people that haven't even done anything yet.

Speaker 22 Yeah, you got some people that haven't even done anything yet. So,

Speaker 21 yeah. And the NFC.
Okay, there we go.

Speaker 22 Here we go. Let me see.
Where the NFC at? Where the NFC at?

Speaker 22 Okay, here we go. Here we go.

Speaker 22 Okay, AJ Brown. That's right.

Speaker 22 Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Speaker 22 For one, I'm okay with Jalen Hurst and A.J. Brown, but with at two,

Speaker 22 at two, I'm going.

Speaker 21 Are you sure? You sure Jalen Hurst and A.J. Brown are better than Golf and Ellen and Ross St.
Brown?

Speaker 21 Are you sure?

Speaker 22 Well, hell, if that's that's the case, then Matt Stafford belongs in front of everybody. Matt Stafford and Puka Nakua belong in front of everybody.
If that's what we are sure

Speaker 21 it gets interesting, yeah, it does.

Speaker 22 It does. It's a good one.
It's a good one. And then, and when you think about it, you think about Jalen Brown.
I'm talking about Jalen Brown. You think about Jalen Hurst and A.J.
Brown.

Speaker 22 They didn't put up gargantuous numbers.

Speaker 22 No. They didn't put up gargantuous numbers.
But if we, if we,

Speaker 22 if anything,

Speaker 21 Jerry Goff and Almond Raw and St.

Speaker 22 Brown do, it did, and so did Puka Nakua and Matt and Matt Stafford.

Speaker 21 And I like, I, I like, I like Jaden Dane, but I don't think him and McLaurin belong in front of Goff and uh no, and Almond Raw.

Speaker 21 I can make a case, I can make a case that Almond Raw and Goff should be one.

Speaker 22 Mike Evans, Mike Evans, and uh, and Baker Mayfield, they low. Being at six is way too low.
Being at six is way too low.

Speaker 22 And obviously, Justin Jefferson and Jay-Z didn't have an opportunity to play together yet.

Speaker 21 Right. So I understand them being that low.

Speaker 22 Who would you go first? Who would you would you put first? I honestly, me, me, chat. I chat.
Tell me what y'all think.

Speaker 21 I would put golf. I'll put golf and ross st.
Brown.

Speaker 22 And then second, I would put Matthew Stafford and Puka Nakua.

Speaker 21 I would put, I would put,

Speaker 22 I would have I would have Dak I might I might put I might I'm gonna put Baker Mayfield and Mike Evans in my top five yeah absolutely I would put Dak and CD third and then fourth I'd have Baker Mayfield and Mike Evans

Speaker 22 then I go

Speaker 22 Hurts and JJ yeah absolutely or before Hurts and JJ I might put McDaniels and McLaurin first because I mean

Speaker 22 after that's, it's, it's, after that, it's a toss-up.

Speaker 22 Damn, that's, I like this. I like this.

Speaker 22 But number one, I'm definitely going with

Speaker 21 golf and Oman Raw.

Speaker 22 Absolutely. Absolutely.
Hell, Puka Naku went crazy last year, too. So that's why I put them second.

Speaker 21 Oh, Joe, what would you change about this list? These are the fastest players based on in-game speed.

Speaker 21 You got tier one. You got time.

Speaker 21 You got Reek, Daryl Green, Bullet Bob Hayes, Chris Johnson.

Speaker 21 Then you got

Speaker 21 Bo, Randy,

Speaker 21 Raheem Mostert, Deshaun Jackson, Devin Hester, Joey Galloway.

Speaker 21 Then you got Willie Galt, Trendon Holiday, Cliff Branch, Mike Vick, Marquise Goodwin, God Good Goodwin,

Speaker 21 Dante Hall, Ron Brown.

Speaker 21 Ron Brown can run. People don't realize that.
Then you got John Ross, Ike Taylor, Jacoby Ford. Jacoby Ford could run.
Mike Wallace, Mike Wallace could fly.

Speaker 21 Champ Bailey, Jamal Charles, Pat P, Julio Jones.

Speaker 21 Then you got Herschel Walker, D.R.C., Xavier Worthy, Percy Harvard, Adrian Peterson, Barry Sanders, Odell Lamar.

Speaker 21 Then you got Charles Woodson, Tyler Lockett,

Speaker 21 Cordielle Patterson,

Speaker 21 Liam Miles, Jonathan Taylor, Jameson Williams, Fabian Washington, Rod Woodson.

Speaker 21 You missing anybody on your

Speaker 21 they should have had James Jett on here.

Speaker 22 Darius Hayward Bay. Did we say, did he, is he on there?

Speaker 21 Nope.

Speaker 22 I forgot they got Bethel Johnson. who played with the Patriots and I forgot who else he played for.
He's another burner. Ahmaud Ahmad Carroll.
Remember, Ahmaud Carroll played? Yeah.

Speaker 22 So Green Bank, Jesus Christ, that boy could run.

Speaker 21 Yeah.

Speaker 22 Yeah, Ali.

Speaker 22 I'm trying to think who. I'll talk about burners, burners.

Speaker 21 I can't lie,

Speaker 21 that top list, I mean, Bob Hayes won a gold medal. So

Speaker 21 it's hard to argue here. Daryl Green never lost the NFL fastest man.
We know what Reek, Chris Johnson had the fastest 40 times 4-2-4, and we know prime.

Speaker 22 Yeah.

Speaker 21 But the time is time.

Speaker 22 Yeah. The funny thing about it is Randy Moss ran 4-2-2, and people don't even realize that.
He ran 4-2 when he was at Florida State. Before he left to go to Marshall, Randy Moss ran 4-2 at 6-4.

Speaker 22 So I really think Randy Moss should be in that

Speaker 21 top one, that top one?

Speaker 21 Yeah. I think Ron Brown.
Wasn't Ron Brown. Didn't Ron Brown? I think Ron Brown was on the Olympic team in 84.

Speaker 21 Didn't Ron Brown win winner a

Speaker 21 on the Olympic team in 84? With Dada and

Speaker 21 Sam Granny,

Speaker 21 Carl Lewis?

Speaker 22 And you know what's the most impressive?

Speaker 21 But he was on a relay team, didn't he? Did he?

Speaker 21 Yeah. I thought so.
Ron Brown could fly.

Speaker 22 Everybody on this list is impressive,

Speaker 22 but I don't think people understand

Speaker 22 watching most highlights, it don't do you no justice unless you were able to see that up close in the personal.

Speaker 22 Because he start off,

Speaker 22 he start off gliding and you don't really know he moving

Speaker 22 until you're trying to catch him or he done that hand up and he running by you.

Speaker 21 But see, I think Hester was more shifty than fast.

Speaker 22 Oh, no, Hester was fast too, now.

Speaker 22 Devin Hester? University of Miami Devin Hester? Yeah. Oh, boy.
he was fast and shifty

Speaker 22 no he could i mean he wasn't faster than willie gault or holiday i mean you got to understand once you get past 4-3 and up i mean you fast as hell yeah which is which which makes most of the people that's on this list that that that special because not only can you go in a straight line but you can also transition you had great lateral movement you were able to stop and restart and get right back right back up to top speed everybody can't do that most people are just fast in a straight line

Speaker 22 everybody on this list can actually play football they're good at oh yeah yeah think about how many track runners can just run in a straight line you put them on the football field and it won't be the same yeah well neil mile didn't uh didn't do too well at football because he couldn't read man or zone

Speaker 21 he gotta learn how to set that thing down

Speaker 22 who was the track runner that played at florida i mean that ran track at florida university of florida but played football too jeff Dempsey Jeff Dempsey Jeff Dempsey. Hey, he was fast as hell, boy.

Speaker 21 Yeah. All them guys, look, Tennessee, Willie Gall from Tennessee.
Stanley Morgan was at Tennessee.

Speaker 21 Who's the other receiver?

Speaker 21 Anthony Miller. Tennessee, hey, them guys could run.
The only guy they really couldn't run at Tennessee was Slim Pickens.

Speaker 21 But all the rest of them guys, they're kind of like the Ohio State guys. You know, Ohio State,

Speaker 21 how all those receivers can run, that's how Tennessee used to be.

Speaker 22 Okay.

Speaker 21 Sam Gratty.

Speaker 21 Anybody, anybody, we miss a nocho. Anybody we leave out?

Speaker 22 That's what I was trying. I was trying to think.
Not really.

Speaker 22 That's a good goddamn list, boy.

Speaker 21 Yeah.

Speaker 21 Bob Hayes changed the game. He made teams.
Everybody that you had to do away with,

Speaker 21 he brought the zone coverage in.

Speaker 21 Because can you imagine trying to cover

Speaker 21 the world's fastest man and you try to play man-to-man on it?

Speaker 22 Ain't happening.

Speaker 22 What was some speed on there, boy?

Speaker 21 Warner Brothers acquires a script for a Kobe Bryant movie based on the 1996 draft. The new film will focus on Kobe's 1996 draft day and is

Speaker 21 tentatively titled with the eighth pick. The eighth pick in the draft was held by the Nets, coached by recent defector and coach, current Arkansas boss, John Calapari.

Speaker 21 The New Jersey was reportedly eager to draft Bryant, only to pass under considerable external pressure. Ocho, are you excited about the first buyop

Speaker 21 about Kobe being Brian?

Speaker 22 Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.
I think

Speaker 22 it's going to be dope to re. relive and retell the story of how it all started.
We know how it ended

Speaker 22 as far as when it comes to his career, but let's talk about how it all started, you know,

Speaker 22 how the mamba mentality came about in the beginning.

Speaker 22 I think that I think it's going to be dope. It's going to be dope for me because I don't know his whole story.
I know the finished product that I got to see on ESPN.

Speaker 22 You know, I got, I got, I got to see that, that part. You know, I obviously had many conversations with Kobe

Speaker 22 before, you know,

Speaker 22 he passed. I had an opportunity to go sit court side with my son, Lil CJ.
When CJ was,

Speaker 22 I mean, CJ might have been

Speaker 22 maybe what nine, 10 years old.

Speaker 22 I'm excited. I'm excited for that.

Speaker 22 It's so many different layers to Kobe's story that I don't know about, especially when it comes to the draft process during those days.

Speaker 22 I was still in high school, huh?

Speaker 21 Yeah.

Speaker 21 I still got the text

Speaker 21 before he he passed.

Speaker 21 I texted him. I DM'd him December 28th, 2019.
I still have it.

Speaker 21 Still got it.

Speaker 22 Damn.

Speaker 21 Yeah, I'm definitely tuning into that one.

Speaker 21 I'm definitely going to tune into that one. All right, Ocho, it's time for our final segment of the evening.
It's time for

Speaker 21 Q and A.

Speaker 22 Damn, man.

Speaker 21 I remember

Speaker 22 I just posted, I just posted a picture for Kobe's birthday. Remember, Kobe and I, we sat down in News Cafe.

Speaker 22 We sat there about two hours, man.

Speaker 22 Sat there about two hours, man, talked about

Speaker 22 life in general. At this time, I was when I was

Speaker 22 disgruntled, as they call it, when I was with Cincinnati.

Speaker 21 And

Speaker 22 I had got, I had gotten in trouble.

Speaker 22 Oh man, it was a great conversation.

Speaker 22 I'm not going to disclose it, Rose, here now, but

Speaker 22 it's one of those conversations. Like when I sat with Denzel Courtside that one time,

Speaker 21 it was on my head.

Speaker 22 It was one of those conversations.

Speaker 22 It was dope.

Speaker 21 It was more. Something you'll never forget.

Speaker 22 Yes, it was more of a lashing, a lashing out

Speaker 22 for the acting out in the manner that I did.

Speaker 22 It ain't that

Speaker 22 understanding that

Speaker 22 there's no way I was going to win that battle against that power structure. So why are you even trying?

Speaker 22 In a sense.

Speaker 21 Right.

Speaker 21 Triple X Cop Sanity says, Unc and Ocho,

Speaker 21 did Ocho pay your money yet? If not, Ocho got a cash. I'm going to do what Giannis do.
I'm going to do what I put a Giannis on him.

Speaker 22 What? Hit me in the back of the head?

Speaker 16 Hey,

Speaker 22 I'm going to block that. I'm going to block that.

Speaker 21 Hey, he didn't know it was coming.

Speaker 21 Oh.

Speaker 21 T to the real. Salute, my brother LeCre.

Speaker 21 We not connected by gang or fraternity no more, but Holy Trinity, connection is worth it. And forever, praise God.
100.

Speaker 21 Yarla, this dude is a clown such a phony I would rather take DMX over him if I want to listen to rap music to get closer to God

Speaker 21 huh

Speaker 21 what I mean what the dude do to you

Speaker 21 man people man y'all need to y'all need to chill man you don't like the man music okay that's fine

Speaker 21 but people like him I like the conversation that we had.

Speaker 21 The man said he said he wasn't perfect.

Speaker 22 Yeah.

Speaker 21 I think sometimes, Ocho, when we talk about religion and somebody's trying to walk

Speaker 21 with God,

Speaker 21 people automatically assume that the God, that he or she are perfect. Right.
No. And that's not what that means.

Speaker 22 He said that, too, huh?

Speaker 21 Right.

Speaker 22 He said he's walking with God because he's not perfect and he needs that savior.

Speaker 21 Cole in 55 said, why would Stefanski take Shador out? But felt that, but I guess he said, I feel the need to keep Deshaun in his last year. Am I tripping?

Speaker 21 Oh,

Speaker 21 what do you think, Rochelle?

Speaker 21 No, they need to, they definitely need to.

Speaker 21 That's what we were asking yesterday.

Speaker 21 Why would they take Shadur out, considering if they're going to keep four quarterbacks, Shador is going to be one of the four quarterbacks that they keep, not Snoop Huntley.

Speaker 21 That's what I'm looking, I don't got no problem.

Speaker 21 You want to take him out, but I think Shadur would have been better served being in that situation because there's a possibility that situation could come up.

Speaker 21 and he happens to be the quarterback of the Cleveland Browns.

Speaker 21 That's what I think. I think that's what the consensus is: was

Speaker 21 that a guy that you're going to keep on the roster, put him in a situation that he might actually see come game time. Yeah.

Speaker 21 Look, Deshaun's going to be on the team. He has $92 million still guaranteed this year and next year, 25, 26.
So I don't see a scenario where they're going to cut him out. They'll probably

Speaker 21 keep him on IR for the entirety of this year.

Speaker 21 He tore his Achilles late last, and then he ended up re-tearing it. So he's he's not playing this season.

Speaker 21 King Rab said, if you're both in your prime, could Chad beat you in a one-on-one tight end versus receiver? Look, I can't backpedal. I could never backpedal.
That's why I played. Well, I

Speaker 21 played safety in high school, but I was mainly a linebacker and a wide receiver.

Speaker 22 Well, I could backpedal. I would have locked your ass up.
I could backpedal. I would have locked you up.
I'm telling you right now, you wouldn't have caught one ball.

Speaker 22 We talked about 10 reps, and I let you have John Elway. I'll let you have John Elway.
And I played. Matter of fact, I ain't going to play.
I'm going to play man. I'm going to play in your face.

Speaker 22 I'm going to play in your face. And I'm going to put my

Speaker 21 palm.

Speaker 22 Hold on, listen to me. I'm going to put my palm right between the eight and the four.
And I guarantee you, you won't get off the ball.

Speaker 22 Telling me I'm too light. I ain't too light.
That's the same thing Ray Lewis said. You saw what happened to him.

Speaker 21 Yep, I did.

Speaker 21 Captain Kirk said, What's up, Uncle Docho?

Speaker 21 Who's a better one-on-one rival in the NFL than Ray Lewis and Eddie George?

Speaker 22 That's a good one.

Speaker 22 I wouldn't consider them a rivalry. They did play against each other.
They got some good hits on each other.

Speaker 22 They're much, much better rivalries than the Tennessee Titans.

Speaker 21 No, I think they said one-on-one, Eddie and Ray. So is it Darrell Revis and Ocho, Darrell Revis and Randy, Darrell Revis and T.O.?

Speaker 21 Is it Time and Mike Irving?

Speaker 22 You see, when we talk about rivalries, it's players that

Speaker 22 continuously play against each other over and over. Hell, you know what? You want to know to me, the greatest rivalry of all, I mean, there's some good ones, but for me, Mike Evans,

Speaker 21 Marshall, Marshall Levin.

Speaker 22 Now, that's a rivalry. Yeah.
Now, that's a rivalry that we were excited to and couldn't wait because they were division opponents.

Speaker 21 Yep.

Speaker 22 And we knew they were going to face each other twice a year and they literally did not like each other.

Speaker 21 Right.

Speaker 22 That's a rivalry. I mean, I got, I got played against Rebus twice, you know, two weeks, back to back.
That's it. Never, never, never saw him again.
And that's, that's really not a rivalry.

Speaker 21 DJ underscore Dilly, I know it sounds morbid and sad, but the Cowboys will start winning again after Jerry Jones passes on to the other side. Well, I hope that ain't no time soon, DJ.
Damn.

Speaker 21 Dr. Frankie L.
Bellamy said, hey, fam, I made it back. Ocho, did you get a chance to attend any soccer?

Speaker 21 I didn't get a chance to attend any soccer games. Was busy going back and forth to concerts.
Love y'all guys. Glad you made it back safely, Dr.
Frankie. Appreciate that.
We already know you probably

Speaker 21 chimed in all the way overseas. Jordan, be high-ass.
Uncanocho, tomorrow's my 24th birthday. Just wanted to see if I can get a shout out.
Yes, Jordan. Happy early 24th birthday.

Speaker 21 Hopefully you got something special planned and enjoy it. Make sure you enjoy it because you're you're never going to be 24 again.
So enjoy that very, very special day and many, many more to come.

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