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How you doing, bro?

What's going on with y'all, man?

How y'all doing?

Man, I'm doing good.

I'm doing good.

So,

help me understand this.

You blended faith with hip-hop.

I mean, I mean, growing up,

I'm sure you, with this, you probably came up into church, but you also listened to rap so how did you come up with the combination like you know what i'm gonna blend the two

i'm gonna be honest with you i didn't grow up in church you

you did what nah i didn't grow up in church okay

i like

i like this

yeah so so how so how do how did we get this

yeah i grew up i'm i grew up you know, just loving rap.

I grew up loving rap.

I really wasn't.

I would look at church kids.

I thought that was lame.

I thought it was corny.

I didn't grow up in church.

I was a free thinker.

My mama was a,

you know, she was fed by the Black Panthers.

She just was like, hey, don't get caught up in all that religion.

And, you know, they got too many rules.

You can't wear pants.

You can't wear lipstick.

So for me, I just didn't, she didn't, we didn't go to church for real.

So I got to explore on my own.

and just kind of like see what was real.

I tried out all kinds of stuff.

And,

you know,

I love hip-hop.

I love rap music.

music, that was my thing.

And so, when I did meet the Lord, I had a spiritual transformation, you know, like as a grown man, yes, it was already there.

It was like, all right, how I'm gonna,

how do I combine what I already know in this new revelation?

You dig what I'm saying?

So, yes, that's kind of what it was for me, yeah.

So, I relate, I relate to

people who, you know, are on the fringes, you know, the churches, the greenhouse.

I like the jungle.

I like that.

Listen, with you being a fan of hip-hop, what do you think about where the current state of hip-hop is right now?

Truthfully.

Yeah, I mean,

so hip-hop, if I consider myself a part of hip-hop, if I'm healthy, it's healthy.

But this is what I say.

You got a lot of youngins out there.

who

don't know about what it used to be, right?

So they're not learning from the past in order to make the present better.

You dig what I'm saying?

So a lot of it is disposable music.

A lot of it is just hot takes and just a lot of stuff.

So, you know, I like when you can mix the two.

I like when you can take the old and mix it with the new, and then you got something good.

So there's some stuff that's out there that I dig that I like.

And then there's some stuff that I'm like, man, y'all ain't gonna be here in two years.

You know what I mean?

Like, y'all gonna be gone.

So

when you're growing up and you talk about you listening to rap, so who are some of you, who are some of of the

influences?

Yeah, I listen to everything.

So

you got to understand, I grew up single-parent household,

you know,

no role model.

Daddy ran with the Compton Crips.

Uncles, gang members.

I don't have no healthy male influences.

So to me, rappers were like my mom and dad.

So I grew up.

listening to everything.

I listened to, I mean, you name it, I listen to it.

Old school, new school.

I would go back to before i was born i would listen to houdini easy e

then i go to to tupac and then i go to lil wayne then i go to dmx and jay-z

like everything i listen to it all

so do you feel like that christian hip-hop has it broken into mainstream or is there still more work for you to do and others to do I think it's breaking now because people are tired of the same old, same old music-wise.

And so I came in, i come kicking the door in you know what i mean so when i first got started everybody looked at me like i was crazy they look at me like an alien i would come to interviews and they would touch me and they'd be like so where your choir roll back you know what i mean

hey where your choir roll back and what is this and what you know what do you rap about jesus is god and ha ha ha and i was like come on bro like come on man get on get out of here so

You know, once I had the, you know, I did the, you know, the BT cypher.

And when I did that, they didn't even know what category to put me me in so they put me with the international people so then i when i get on there and i start cutting up then they like man dude is raw like you know then hip-hop start paying attention and they you know so now i'm you know the the the rapper rappers are like man i like buddy you know the game and royster59 and you know i beyonce even was like man she saw my video like man you know so then people was like okay he nice

And now I think because I had to take all them lashes, this younger group of dudes behind me, it's easy easy for them.

They just, they just got to be dope.

And they got to know how to, you know, don't know about, I don't, I don't, don't nobody wants you to come in condemning people.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, we, we may not condone, but we do not condemn.

Yes.

We listen, but we don't judge.

You dig what I'm saying?

Like, listen, that's you and God got to have some conversations.

I can't even tell you my journey, my story, tell you what the Lord had told me.

You know, if it hits you, it hits you.

If it don't, it don't.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, that's how I move.

Was difficult for you, especially when you think about hip-hop now and the sound?

Hip-hop is completely different as opposed to how it was 10 years ago.

When it comes to you and making your music and your sound, were you ever?

What's the word I'm looking for?

Were you ever, um, was there any discomfort in wanting to stay true to your normal sound and what you do?

Being in today's era of music sounds completely different than what it used to be?

Yeah, I think I'm a bridge, you know, like I'm a, I, I, I, I, I'm in, I'm in the middle.

Like I'm little bro to the old school,

but I'm big bro to the new school.

I'm in the middle of two generations, like J.

Cole would say, you know, I'm in that Kendrick,

Drake, Cole, like

space.

And so for me, it's like I learned from them, but I learned from, but I learned from them and I live with them too.

So I just feel like I'm comfortable in both worlds.

You know what I'm saying?

I'm comfortable in what I'm like.

yeah, I'm like Travis Hunter on the field.

You dig what I'm saying?

I'm offense, defense.

Yeah, yeah, that's what's up.

I like that.

You know what I'm saying?

I like that.

I'm fit in both spaces.

I like that.

Yeah.

Let me ask you this.

I think

I'm very interested in this.

What do you think the biggest misconception is that people still have about you, the man, versus you, the Christian rapper?

You, oh, come on.

I know you grew up in church, Shannon, so I already know.

Hey, well, I was a junior deacon.

I sang in a junior choir.

Oh, Lord God.

That makes so much sense.

That's why you a mess now.

That makes perfect sense.

He's definitely a mess.

He's definitely a mess.

The ones who grow up in it be like, yeah, man, I'm out here.

You get what I'm saying?

No,

for me,

you know.

You got to think, like,

like, for a lot of folks who grew up in church, I I don't have the same baggage.

I don't have the same trauma.

I don't have like seeing like

the, you know, people doing one thing on Sunday, another thing on Monday.

Like, I don't, I grew up seeing all of that stuff.

So I don't have the trauma.

I don't have the baggage that a lot of people have grown up.

Now, I got different stuff from being a rapper and the church having some issues with me.

I got different stuff from being a black man and like standing up for the rights of black people in church having some issues with that.

But I don't have a lot of that church trauma my mama got a lot of that but i just don't have it so

for me

the misconceptions people come in expecting me to to know the hymns and i don't know the hymns i didn't grow up listening to gospel i only like like kirk franklin and uh fred hammond i only got a couple that i really grew up that i know right so so the misconceptions don't Like I'm like, bro, I'm not what you think I am.

I'm probably more like you than you know.

Right.

You know what I mean?

So you, so you did grow up with James Cleveland and Shirley caesar and the mississippi mass choir

the falla alabama the five bullet boys mighty clouds of joy mighty clouds of joy spirituals bro when i tell you bro my i'll be with my wife my wife grew up in church right and and she'd be like that's uh james cleveland i'm like i don't know who he's talking about i had a day they asked me to do this tour the mcdonald's gospel tour i'm on the tour and i'm like they like man you up there with the legends i'm like i don't know none of these people i never heard of none of their music i ain't gonna lie lie to you.

You know what I'm saying?

I know Mary, Mary.

You know, so every night I'm getting on stage and all the church moms just got their arms folded up looking at me like, what you doing here?

And then I just get to tell them, I say, hey, you may not like what I do, but you got a son in jail.

You got a grandson who, you know what I'm saying, who needs something different to listen to.

I speak they language.

You dig what I'm saying?

It's like when David tried to put that armor on that didn't fit.

he's like this don't fit me you know give me a sling and some stones i'm gonna get the job that's me i'm like just give me the sling and the stone that that that the choir role don't fit me i like that you know what i'm saying so

where you grew up at where you from originally so so originally i'm houston texas okay and then over the years i moved to the west coast and now i'm in atlanta so you know i got that little hybrid of south and yeah you

okay well you you pretty much stayed i mean you pretty much stayed in the bible belt because you know the south that's the bible belt Yeah, so no, for sure.

For sure.

When I left to the west coast, that's when I was a little freer.

Right.

You know, but I get it.

I got a lot of homeboys who who grew up in church, and I'd be like, in my mind, I'm like, you know, why do you, what are you doing?

Is you in or you out?

Like, when I'm smoking, I'm smoking.

I'm not smoking and going to Sunday school.

Like, that's weird.

I just didn't understand it.

Like, it was a weird concept for me.

You know what I'm saying?

Like,

yeah, it's like, man, we finna go on this church trip.

I'm finna get with Sarita.

I'm like, why are you going a church trip to get with a girl?

Why'd you just go to the club?

I don't understand.

Foreign concept to me.

Hey,

go ahead ocho and i was gonna say i i really i really enjoyed that i was able to listen to the album earlier today i i enjoyed the new album reconstruction you know life through for the part phase two holidays how long how long normally does it take you to

have a vision and what you can create when it comes to making an album and how long does it actually take

yeah if i'm not inspired the music gonna be it's not gonna it's not gonna hit a nerve right you know what i mean it's just i'm dialing it in that's sir so it's got to be inspiration and and inspiration see i i think y'all could probably relate to this like it's the reason why people like y'all so the reason why people connect with y'all is because they feel like y'all connected to the culture y'all don't feel so high and mighty even though i know shannon be on his private jets eating sandwiches and the whole nine

you know what i'm saying like

i own delta you don't feel what i'm saying i know you be on your private jet vibe i'm more like oh cho they mad at me because i don't spend enough money you know what i'm saying

That's my vibe.

My boy was mad at me today.

He said, come on, man.

Just,

you know, spend another $56 and upgrade the vehicle when you go to the rental car place.

I said, I'm just going from A to B.

It don't make a difference to me.

You dig what I'm saying?

Right.

But, but,

you know,

I done forgot what I was, what you asked me again.

Oh, that's going to take the biggest thing.

Yeah, yeah.

So what I was going to say is.

when I'm connected to the people, I feel like I can talk about issues that are relevant.

You know,

my pastor said something that was dope.

He said,

you know, I was going through the motions and just, you know, he said, hey, man, you smell like cologne in green rooms.

He said, you need to get some, some, some sheep stuff on your feet, man.

You don't, you need to smell like, it's like the sheep.

And what he was saying was, you need to be connected to the people who need.

help and who who who you know I'm saying you in the green rooms and you on the private jets and you ain't really connected to the people so for me it's like man I got to ride the public transportation on one day you know i need to go to mcdonald's and just pull up and i'm gonna dap everybody up and i'm gonna you know what i'm saying and then i get in the studio and i'm writing for that kid who you know is 28 and he's still working at mcdonald's and he's trying to figure out what his life gonna look like and you dig what i'm saying so then i get in the studio then it get real for me then i start coming up with some some good concepts and and that's how you get that album so it took me a little over a year and a half okay because i had to live some life man i like that i like that i like that you realize in any aspect aspect, when you become outspoken, it potentially costs you opportunities, but you're spoken openly about your faith?

Do you feel that that's cost you some opportunities?

It did early, early on.

You know what I'm saying?

I mean, you know, I think people are more open to spirituality nowadays.

Like even Gen Z, like they open to it.

It's not like taboo like it used to be.

You know what I'm saying?

So.

Early on, it was like, I couldn't get a sponsorship or, you know, like, oh, man, I got the number one album in the country.

I beat maroon five you know what i'm saying and i and i can't get a verizon deal like come on verizon like holler at me you know what i mean but it's like well we don't want to offend nobody and i'm like bro you gotta be right down the middle you i'm like bro you got rappers who who are literally junkies rapping about being junkies and you and you giving them deals you know what i'm saying i'm sitting here giving people hope and and talking about relevant matters.

And, you know, me, T.I., Killer Mike, we got a song, Grieving the Loved Ones That We Lost.

I'm like, come on, on, man.

What are we doing here?

So, so yes, I caught flack for that early on.

And then I just, you know, just hate because people was like, gospel, rap, Christian rap.

I remember, I'll never forget, bro.

I went, my,

shout out to Bobby Jackson when he was coach of the Sacramento Kings.

You know, he loved the Lord.

He said, hey, man, why don't you come to a practice?

I said, for sure, man, I'll be honored.

You know, so I'm in the practice, you know, players shooting around.

He pull all the players together.

He like, hey, y'all,

I I had my little, my box.

This is back when I had mixtapes when we listened to CDs.

You know, I had my box of mixtapes.

And

Bobby Jackson said, hey, y'all, y'all gather around, gather around.

Y'all, we got us a gospel rapper here today.

And I was like, oh, no, Bobby, you shouldn't have said that.

You should have just said a rapper.

Rapper.

You know what I'm saying?

You should have.

You know, not that I don't love the Lord, but I just knew what their brain was going to think when they heard that.

So as soon as he said that,

you can just see everybody be like, man.

And so then I got my little mixtape.

I'm like trying to pass out my mixtape.

It's free.

And then I heard, and one of the players, man, I ain't going to say his name, but you know, Boogie took my CD and said, I don't want no gospel rap.

You dig what I'm saying?

And I was like,

you know, so I, you know, it was, it was, it was wild, man.

That's, that's the type of stuff I used to have to deal with.

Now it's cool, but back in the day, man, it was rough.

Who do you think judge you harder?

Pastors or rappers?

Is that a question?

Yeah.

But who killed Jesus?

The religious people?

What?

Because

they say you play it with the Lord.

Man, the religious people will, boy.

Yeah.

Boy?

Yeah.

They will crucify you, boy.

Listen.

And behind.

You can make a case.

More people done die behind religion than any other.

The funny thing about it, the most religious, the most religious that condemn everything else outside of what their beliefs may be, they do the first things behind closed doors.

And that's the, you see, so that's why I tell people, you know, I got a song on the album called Erase Me.

I, I don't push religion.

I push relationship.

You dig what I'm saying?

Because

let's just, let's look at it like, like my wife, for instance.

If I'm, if I'm, religion is rules and duty.

If I come home at night and I knock on the bedroom door and say, hey, baby, it's my duty to get you these flowers.

So here you go.

I'm sleeping on the couch.

You know what I'm saying?

But if I come home and I, if it's about relationship, then I say, you know what, girl, I was thinking about you all day.

I love the relationship that we got.

And I was just thinking about how awesome you are, how much I appreciate you.

And I got you these flowers just to show you my love for you.

That's relationship.

Okay.

And it's going to be a good night.

Yeah.

I see what you're saying.

I see what you're putting down.

I see what you put down.

I see what you put down.

Yeah.

And so does she.

Okay.

And so here's the thing.

All I'm saying is, if you treating God like it's religion, like duty, that ain't you, all you're doing is following orders.

And as soon as you feel like he ain't looking, you're going to wild out.

But if you got a good relationship with him, then you're going to do stuff because you're like, man, I love you, man.

I just want to do what you want me to do.

It ain't me following rules.

That's what I'm saying.

I don't rock with the legalistic rule following religious folk.

I'm with people who got such a good relationship with God.

They don't want to do nothing stupid because it's like, man, I got a good relationship.

That's what I'm on.

How old were you

when the Lord spoke to you or you got that say, you know what?

This is my calling.

I went to high school with a guy.

We call him preacher.

His name is Carrie McNeill.

And he's a pastor.

And everybody knew because as long as I can remember, he carried a Bible.

I mean, he had to be.

He probably was like 11, 12 years old, and he carried that Bible.

And we called him preacher.

I don't think anybody called him his real name except the school teachers.

Everybody called him preacher.

And sure enough, to this day, he's a pastor.

How old were you when you received the word, when you received the call and said, you know what?

This is what I'm going to do.

This is the page I'm about to be on.

I think I was 19, 20.

I started getting real sick because, you know, 1920,

I was like, all right, I met God.

This is real.

I want to change.

But

you know how it is with anybody.

When they have an awakening, they be real passionate.

It's like when your friend first become a vegan, he like, man, don't eat no meat.

I don't eat no meat.

You don't need to eat meat.

Meat is bad.

I got a vegan spot over here.

You know, you just on fire.

Like, it's an awakening.

So I have my awakening, but then,

you know, real life hits you.

And you realize like, okay, wait a minute.

This excitement is great, but I still got to live real life.

And then you start having problems and then the temptations come along and

then, you know, when you mess up, which I did, because, you know,

the ladies was a struggle for me.

You dig what I'm saying?

I'm 20 years old.

So you dig what I'm saying.

So

for me, I was like, well, I done messed up so bad.

I can't really go back out here.

You feel what I'm saying?

Yeah.

Because I don't want to be no hypocrite.

But the reality was,

you know, a lot of times that shame keeps us from growing.

It's like a baby taking steps.

Like when a baby falls, you don't say, you stupid baby.

Why are you falling?

You say, it's all right.

Get it up.

Keep walking.

So that's what I needed to get up and keep walking.

And so 20, about 23, I was real serious, but I wasn't like your man.

What's his name?

That you was just talking about the preacher man.

Kurt Franklin?

No, your man that you went to school with.

Oh,

yeah, Carrie.

Carrie McNeil.

I wasn't like him.

Okay.

You dig what I'm saying?

I was just, because i had models of of dudes who was they still kept their sauce but they love god you see what i'm saying i if i'm being honest with you i don't know your brother that well but i feel like i was probably like your brother because when your brother got up to do his hall of fame speech man that was that to me

is the way you you walk your faith out it ain't it what it didn't feel like he was like now everybody open up to the book of 32 songs you dig what i'm saying yeah he just was like being real was a real moment.

He shared his love for his brother.

He talked about what God did.

You know what I'm saying?

I was like, man, you got to love that.

You got to respect that.

Yeah.

You wouldn't know that if you just met him.

You wouldn't know that.

And I don't remember when he actually became, but he was always, you know.

You know, we like Ocho said, we were actually junior deacons.

We had to lead devotional service.

We had to lead prayer.

So it wasn't just, and, you know, we couldn't get up there and say, no, happy Easter day.

We had to say this long, long, long speech that took at least a minute, minute and a half, or we had to pray, or we had to do something.

So our grandfather, you know, kept us very, very involved in the church.

And, but, like you said.

I kind of went away from that because it's like when you make somebody do something all the time.

So we had to go to Bible study.

We had to go to choir practice.

We got to go to dance.

And we at church, you know, every single Sunday.

And we at Bible study and we at devotional and we at all this stuff.

I'm like, man, as soon as I ain't got to go, I I ain't going.

He, he kept like, when I went to college, I was like, well, I ain't got no church, even though there's a church right across the street from the school.

Yeah.

Yeah.

He

like went to college and found a church and still

wow.

And yeah,

and went.

And I remember, I remember, I remember

one year he got me, he got me a gift, had it in a had it in a nice little box and everything.

I was like, oh, but bro, don't hook it up.

We're both in the league.

Yeah.

Um,

he left it at my house

at the house in Glibya, at my grandmother's house.

And Libby says, Uh, my sister, Libby, call her Libby, or call her Buck.

She says, Spanky, left your

birthday gift

in the room.

I was like, Okay,

it was a Bible.

You thought it was gonna be, you thought he was gonna put you with some ice.

To this day, as a matter of fact, I still,

and then what I thought about it, like, man,

Bible, Denver Broncos, Shanna Sharp, number 85, got all the stuff on it.

I mean, it's like,

it's one of my most prized possessions because I know he gave it to me, the sincerity in which he gave it to me.

That's what meant the most.

He could have bought me anything, could have bought me a car, could have bought me a chain, but it was this, like, this.

And

that Bible means a lot to me and i he still he still calls he's a

to this day he'll he'll call out of the blue i and i don't know how he knows god has given him a special ability because when i really need it because he can

man he can he can he can he can get through to me when a lot of other people can't and he's just like hey get in your bible yeah

bruh he gave you what was precious to him you know what i'm saying he gave you what's precious to him and now i i have i have to just take a pause for a second because you said something and it hit me.

You said Buck and Spanky, right?

Yeah.

Yeah, it hit me.

Y'all country in a month.

We definitely grew.

I grew up in rural South Georgia.

We had 3,500 people.

We had about 300 people, 350 people in my high school.

I think 58, 59 people in my graduating class.

So yeah, we're.

When you got somebody, somebody black walking around, you still calling them Buck in the 1900s.

Bro, I mean, you get a nickname.

If you're in the South and you got a nickname, oh, that's your name.

That's your name for life.

Even when you're obituary, they're going to put your real name, but they're going to put your nickname in parentheses.

What was your nickname?

I didn't have, I mean, I didn't really, my,

they called me.

No, no, no.

Most of the time,

they called me Chateau.

Why?

Because I liked the final things when I was growing up.

I would spend all my money on the Iza shirt.

Yeah.

I would spend all my money on the Iza shirt.

I might have $30.

My brother would go get like three shirts.

I'm going to get one shirt.

So they started calling me Chateau.

But you know what?

It's funny that you say that in your experience, because everybody.

how they they receive God, when they receive God, everybody goes through, everybody goes through, goes through something.

And for you not to have gone through anything traumatic, you said, hey, you just felt it was that it was that time.

He had spoken to you earlier.

You kind of like started trying to, you all gung-ho.

Like, nah, I'm going to put that aside because

I'm wild and out.

So he ain't pleased with me right now.

But guess what?

You came right back.

Yeah, it came back.

Had to.

You know, I had my season.

You know what I mean?

Now, my childhood was crazy.

You know, my mama was great, but I just did a bunch of stupid stuff you know growing up and

and so I had a lot of trauma I hadn't processed anyway right so for me it was like trying to work through that

and it was like you some stuff it's like yes You need God, you need the Bible, you need prayer, but you also need therapy, my dog.

You know what I'm saying?

You need some extra help to process some of the stuff that I was going through.

And the music was the therapy for me for a season.

Just like, I had to get this stuff off my chest and just, you know what I mean, let people, you know, let me, it helped heal.

It was healing for me.

So that's, that's why, you know, but that was my outlet.

You know what I'm saying?

It was kind of like,

you know, I never, I never had now, now the crazy part, I'm 6'4.

You know what I mean?

My dad is 6'6'5.

My brother's 6'7.

And, you know, we didn't grow up with my pops.

If we would have grew up with my pops, I feel like if I would have had, he was like a playground all-star.

If I would have had him, I felt like somebody would have pushed me towards.

My mama didn't know sports the the coach was like well you should let me take him she's like nah i don't like that i feel like you know i might have had a different path a different life you may not have heard my music you may you know i'm saying you may have seen me you know that ain't what god intended for you bro exactly you get what i'm saying

exactly so he gonna put you on the road where you need to be when you need to be there yeah all right with me

yeah

i've been in the studio and you know i have i have a background in gospel as well.

I was I sang in the junior choir.

I sang with the senior choir.

So if at any point, you know, you want to work together and

I mean, yeah, I'm here.

Let me tell you something.

I know hip-hop and I know gospel.

And we can heard.

Yeah, we can intertwine the two and we could do some, we could do God's work.

I'm a prayer about that.

Because, you know what I'm saying?

Let me pray about that.

Please, please pray for it.

I'm pray about that I could I could I could now what let's just start off on just you being like my financial advisor okay you dig what I'm saying we can start there that's see that's that's why I love you that's why I love you because it's about baby steps it's about baby before you walk so I can help you in the area of being financially savvy and financially conscious my brother right and then

we can go on tour because because God gave me the money to be a good steward with it see you know what i'm saying

and if i don't you gotta have you see everybody need coaches yes you know what i'm saying so i just it's like if you can coach me on how to not spend the bag right you know what i mean hey listen i'm gonna tell you one thing yep i got a sister named ruth and i'm gonna tell you the truth

we gonna hey we gonna make magic boy we're gonna make magic

i'm with you man i'm with you because listen i you know what i'm saying i'm i don't i'm i'm tight and then i'll be you know sometimes i'll be hanging with rappers and rappers be wanting to spend money.

And I'm like, man, y'all really just be out here.

I just, yeah, they feel like I need, I need to hold on to mine.

You feel me?

Hey, matter of fact, this, this is like, all right, I'm gonna get a little serious now.

I'm not even playing.

All right.

My finances.

Okay.

My area of expertise.

Uh-huh.

I'm brilliant in that area when it comes to saving and finding deals and stuff like that.

But then I'm going to need you to talk to me.

Okay.

Okay.

Come on.

Listen, marriage in your 20s, not having the discipline you had.

You could, boom, coach your boy up in that area because

I'm trying to get to the promised land.

Yeah, I think I can help you, bro.

I think I can help you, bro.

I'm not even.

Yeah, your problem is you done been to the promised land far too many times.

Right.

You get what I put down?

Now you wandering in the desert right now, my brother.

You got to get out the desert.

You see what I'm saying?

You got to get out the desert.

You got to quit striking the rock to get water out of it.

You dig what I'm saying?

And just let the Lord bring you the living water.

Right.

You dig what I'm saying?

Well, he brought it to me, but this time I want to make sure I'm drinking it the right way.

Okay.

They with me.

They with me.

I'm with you.

Okay.

I'm with you.

You know what?

Help me understand this

because

I think it's going to, it's extremely hard

if you think the

if you've really never been monogamous in a relationship, you think the first time that you're going to be monogamous is when you get to marriage.

I think that's

setting yourself up for failure.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Go ahead.

Go ahead.

I'm going to let you take it away.

No, I'm going to say you need some training wheels.

You need some training wheels.

Yeah.

No, real talk.

Yeah.

I know this from experience.

Yes.

I think people think that marriage solves, but it does not.

No.

No.

Because if you look in to find wholeness in another person, you're going to fail every time.

You know what I'm saying?

People be saying, oh, I want somebody to complete me.

Well, if you don't feel like you're a complete person, you don't need to be getting anybody else.

You feel what I'm saying?

Come on.

You a half a person right now.

You need to chill and get yourself whole.

Happiness is not something, it's not something you find.

Happiness is something you create.

Yeah, man.

I think.

Not someone else or found in someone else.

Yeah.

Like, like, you know, you know, we I got married young because I knew I was like, I didn't have all the answers, I didn't know exactly everything.

I knew I wanted to follow God, I want to do it the right way.

Um, I, I, I, I was blessed, you know, I'm saying, I was young, and I made you know, a decision based off of what I knew at the time.

I was blessed to get somebody who's amazing.

But I will say, from coming from being a young, but listen, I, I was, I, I, I, I pledged Kappa Alpha Psi

at middle tennessee state university it was here's a it's a wild situation so i can imagine yeah it was a wild situation you dig what i'm saying we going tsu we going to fisk i'm going to texas i'm going to prairie view i was like it was kind of crazy so

what i what i had to do was I had to develop some discipline as a single man before I could really jump into a relationship.

You know what I'm saying?

You got to get it under control.

Yeah.

That's right.

That's right.

Yeah.

So I had to develop some discipline as a single man and realize, hey, I can chill.

Let me just be, you know,

abstain and learn to just, let me walk with God.

And I felt like, you know, I was running my race.

And then I started running my race.

I'm running after the Lord.

I'm just doing what I'm supposed to do, get my life together, my finance together.

I'm focused.

I'm running.

And then I hear somebody running next to me.

I said, oh, shoot, she's fine.

Is she fast?

Yeah,

you know what I'm saying?

That's see, that's that's how it happened to me.

That just, just like that, because I was running, you hear me?

And before I looked up, I looked up, you know, somebody was running with me.

So, what I did right away, what I did right away is that when it got baptized, because the last one started wearing off.

This man is crazy.

I'm just telling you, I'm just telling you.

So, it was, it was, for me,

it was a mental reset.

It was a mental reset.

So I've been on point for, you know, for some time since this person joined Messiah.

So I'm like, boom,

I want to go to the promised land where you at, though.

Okay.

Okay.

So, boom, that's my little therapy.

Now, my man said it started wearing off.

Like, the water started drying up on me.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I had to take another dip.

This man is wild.

What do you think thus far?

You're still a young man.

What do you think

your greatest accomplishment is thus far?

Is it your faith, your walk with God?

the studio albums, the success.

What do you think your greatest accomplishment is?

It sure ain't my walk with God.

My walk with God, boy,

boy, I'm going to make it to heaven limping.

He done had to carry me.

You know what I'm saying?

I always tell people, listen, I ain't a Christian because I got it all together.

I'm a Christian because I'm weak and I need a savior, boy.

Yeah, boy.

He didn't have to carry me in there, boy.

So those footprints, those footprints, those set of footprints, that's him carrying you.

That's not you walking along.

Facts.

Big facts.

Yeah.

I mean,

you know, you get a renewed mind.

You get a new nature.

You know,

you start following in it as he leads and guys but you know you're still human and you got to wrestle through your humanity but for me

you know i didn't have all of the things number one albums uh

success all the trappings of success i didn't had all them things And I thought that was going to make me feel accomplished.

I thought that was going to bring me a sense of satisfaction.

What I realized is it's never enough.

You only climb a mountain, get to the top to realize, oh, there's another mountain.

You know what I'm saying?

It's like, oh man, it's just, and then you get to the top of one, and now you fighting everybody else trying to get up there so you can keep your spot.

Like, you know what I mean?

And it's just kind of like, think about it.

If you think about it, you get yourself a Super Bowl ring.

As soon as the next season starts, what are you doing?

Trying to get another one.

You know what I'm saying?

Chasing another one.

So

I feel like the greatest accomplishment for me, if I'm being honest, is being a present father in my kids' lives.

Cause I never had that.

Right.

That's the, that's, it's breaking a cycle.

I don't know.

My mama don't know her dad or she knows her dad.

She didn't grow up with her dad.

I don't know if he grew up with his dad.

My dad didn't grow up with his dad.

I didn't grow up with my dad.

So for me, it's breaking that cycle.

And now

my kids are being raised with a father.

present in their lives you know what i mean like i'm gonna be the first grandfather they that that's gonna exist like I never knew a grandfather, like a biological grandfather.

I never knew that.

My mama ain't never knew a grandfather.

So I'm going to be the first grandfather that any of my generation, any generation in our family has seen in generations.

Wow.

It's crazy.

Yeah.

Man, LeCrae, thank you for stopping by, man.

We really appreciate your time.

Much continued success.

Four-time Grammy Award-winning artist.

He's an author.

He's an activist.

He's an actor.

His 10th studio album, Reconstruction, with album features from T.I.

Killermack, John Bellin, and Friday.

Man, continued success.

Congratulations on your walk with God.

We all can use that.

And trust me, trust me.

Amen.

I know you know.

So listen, man,

before you dip, I just going to say that.

I was going to say that, man.

Listen, I always tell people this.

I say it all the time.

And I'm telling y'all as well, man.

be encouraged because if you woke up today, that means God ain't done writing your story.

So, man, you know, keep pressing, bro.

Keep pressing.

Like, we ain't no, like,

people throw people away.

God don't throw nobody away.

That's why my album called Reconstruction.

You know what I'm saying?

God don't throw people away.

God figure out how to reconstruct them into something better than they were.

So, man, I just want to tell you that, man, be encouraged.

Like, you know, you, you valuable.

You, you got worth, purpose.

And, man, listen, you know, we, we, we, we, we gonna, we're gonna continue rocking with you, supporting you, praying for you.

And, man, you know, I love y'all, man.

Appreciate y'all.

Thank y'all for having me on the night, Cap.

You did.

Thank you, bro.

I appreciate that, man.

Continued success.

Yeah, much love.

LeCray, cray chat

man that was that was unbelievable conversation oh joe dope that was dope that's one of the best conversations i think we've had we've had a lot of people come on here and have a conversation um but i think that's one of our better conversations

i know i definitely needed to hear a lot of what he was saying yeah yeah

yeah

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The big news of the day, when a video emerged this morning, that Roger Jackson unleashed a violent attack on

Seiko Stu,

Psycho Stu, rendering him unconscious during a wrestling event in Los Angeles.

LAPD confirmed to TMZ that officers were called to the wrestling show Saturday night, took a police report, and have launched an investigation into the incident.

The shocking moment unfolded at a private Knox Pro Academy wrestling event.

Rajah knocked out Psycho Stu, then continued pummeling him long after he was down.

Rajah's dad, Rampace Jackson, put out a statement.

I want to clear up misinformation about my son, Raja.

I've been confirmed that the wrestler, Stuart Smith, a.k.a.

Psycho Stu, is awake and stable.

Rajah was unexpectedly hit in the head of the head by him moments before the Smiths match.

Rajah was told that he could get his payback in the ring.

I thought it was a part of the show.

It was bad judgment and it worked that went wrong.

Rajah is an MMA fighter, not a pro wrestler, and he had no business being involved in an event like this.

I don't condone my son's action at all.

He suffered a concussion from sparring only days ago and had no business doing anything remotely close to physical contact.

As a father, I'm deeply concerned with his health and his well-being of Mr.

Smith.

That being said, I'm very upset that

any of this happened, but my main concern now that Mr.

Smith will make a speedy recovery, I apologize on behalf of the kick for this situation.

Video later emerged of the incident that happened hours before.

Let's take a look at this, Ocho.

That's that.

Hey, I see.

That's a little bit of a

bad thing.

He's not a fing worker, bro.

Calm down.

Yeah, what the f is that?

You don't sell it?

He's still.

He's not.

Hold on, hold on, hold on.

I don't play that shit, bro.

No, I'll

know you will.

We're good.

I will come up, bro.

Hey, I'm

confused.

What did he do to his head?

Did he hit him?

Did he smack him?

I mean, it was.

It's supposed to have been a prop.

So, I guess they were supposed to be rehearsing.

Okay, okay.

And

they were supposed to take this into the just like it's scripted, just like WWE

wrestling.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And so I guess

he suffered.

His dad, Rampage, said he suffered a concussion earlier, I guess, at a sparring session.

Right.

Because I saw that video where he got kicked in the head and he kind of stumbled a little bit.

Oh, I saw that when I saw that.

I saw that on Twitter.

Okay, okay, okay.

And then you see a situation like this.

Right.

you got to be careful you know big putting people in situations that they're not used to right because so now they're telling him oh now you can get your opportunity to get back well he thought he was getting back because he picked the guy up and he's you know he power slammed him and the first thing to hit was the psychos dude's head so once he slammed him he's out right he's out And is that where he kept punching the dude?

I saw that.

Yes.

And I guess they thought it was a part of the script because nobody intervened.

Right.

And then they realized like, nah, this ain't a a part of the script.

Right.

Oh, that's tough.

That's tough.

It is.

That's

when it comes to wrestling, obviously, it wouldn't be anything real.

I mean, that's unfortunate.

That's unfortunate.

Dude is okay now, though, right?

Dude, that.

That's what, that's what Rampey says, that he's awake.

But I'm just going by what Rampey said.

So his father, I don't know.

That's tough, man.

That's tough.

That's tough.

I'm not sure.

I mean, why he would go on with the fight if he felt insulted, you know,

prop at the beginning.

He didn't, he didn't have to do it.

I think they told him, so, oh, you know, he went through with it because, okay, now you get your payback.

Yeah.

So he was, but see, and the thing is, I don't know

to get if it's not real.

If it's not real and it's scripted, there's no payback to get.

You just, you, you should just call it off, or if anything.

But I don't think they thought it would get to this.

You know what I'm saying?

It's like, you know,

he snapped.

There's no way around it.

You hear stories of somebody blacking out and just like just going crazy, going haywired.

He snapped.

He did.

Because

that's when you, what,

and

law enforcement, that's what they call overkill.

Yes, sir.

When somebody gets stabbed 100 times,

a lot of times the knife is still going into the same wound.

That's overkill.

What he did was he snapped.

He just lost

his ability to stop.

Damn, man.

That's fucked.

Almost got it.

It's a very tough situation for all parties involved.

Hopefully

Rajak gets the assistance that he needs.

Hopefully.

Psycho Stew, he makes a full and speedy recovery.

But this is a very, very, very, very unfortunate situation.

Vikings trade quarterback Sam Howe to the Eagles, signed quarterback Carson Wentz.

Ocho, do you like Carson Wentz mentoring J.J.

McCarthy?

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, Carson Wentz, once who had success, a lot of success with the Eagles before Jalen Hurts.

took over.

Carson Wentz was extremely good and very promising before tearing his ACL.

If you don't remember,

so I think him mentoring, mentoring JJ could be good, could be good.

And it'd be a good backup as well for JJ McCarthy.

So

I think that's pretty dope.

And that's, it's, it's, it's also a player where JJ doesn't have to be looking over his shoulder as well.

Right.

I think that also bothers.

I'm not saying JJ's the veteran, but players

like that,

second-class quarterbacks can be.

You want a long leash.

You don't want a short one.

A short one, exactly.

I throw an interception and I'm coming to the sideline, The coach is shaking his head, and you see the quarterback on the sideline warming up.

They're warming up.

Yeah, yeah.

That's a situation where he doesn't have to worry about that, which

can be kind of tricky in a sense.

So that's something JJ doesn't have to worry about.

I think JJ McCarthy is going to be fine as long as, as long as Brother Justin Jefferson is healthy.

Jordan Addison has what, what, two or three games?

Three games.

Three games.

He'll be fine.

Aaron Jones, they got Hawkinson.

They got Hawkinson.

So

JJ is going to be all right.

He's going to be all right.

ESPN analyst Sam Ocho criticized Barriers quarterback Kayla Williams for wearing his socks halfway, calling it sloppy and lack of leadership.

Another thing is a little thing, but a big thing.

Even just some of the uniform stuff.

Look at the socks halfway down.

That means nothing.

Come on, Acho.

Come on, baby.

Come on.

I love you to death.

It means nothing.

It doesn't.

It means nothing.

You know, Wearing your socks high, wearing your socks low means nothing.

Come on, we're doing too much now.

We just, come on, come on.

I guess if it's an opportunity to criticize, I don't know.

Like I said, I like Caleb Williams.

I think he's going to be good.

I like him in this offense.

You know, obviously he's going to have to do a better job of getting the ball out of his hand, realizing that he can't make every play.

I love they surrounded him with talent.

You go out, they take a receiver.

I think at the second round, they got DJ Moore.

They got a Doomsday.

They took

a tight end in the first round, pairing with Cole Comet.

They've rebuilt the offensive line.

I like what they've done in Chicago to help Caleb Williams reach his potential.

Now it's going to be incumbent on him to reach that potential because they've given him a hedge, which is an offensive line to protect him, and they've given him skill position players to make his job.

He don't have to lift as much as

he normally would have to lift.

Yeah, absolutely.

But I agree with you, ocho i i'm not getting caught up into no socks or something like that it's not that big of a deal he's nitpicking we nitpicking like come on now

come on now yeah we talk about socks

uh lamar jackson needs 500 rushing yards this season to pass cam newton for the most 500 plus rushing yard seasons by a quarterback in nfl history does he get it ocho Absolutely.

We talk about Lamar Jackson.

We talk about young bull from Pompano.

We talk about young bull that went to Boynton Beach High School.

One of the better quarterbacks and not just NFL,

the AFC North as well.

He going to get it.

Absolutely.

I would love to see him repeat what he did last year, a 41 touchdown season,

4,000 plus something yards.

I don't even know how many rushing yards he had last year, but he had one hell of a season.

He had an MVP season.

Unfortunately, he didn't get the MVP, but I'm sure he's probably going to repeat what he did last

As much as I love Lamar Jackson, as much as I love the Ravens,

the Bengals went in the AFC North, though.

They're not.

I just had to throw that in there, too.

You know what?

Talk to me.

I'm not going to be surprised if Lamar Jackson rushed for 10,000 yards.

Where is he at right now, you think?

He going to get 10,000.

He's going to end his career with 40, 50,000 passing yards and 10,000.

He's gonna be like LeBron.

Like LeBron got gonna have like 40 plus thousand points.

Right.

And then he's gonna have like, you know, this many rebounds, 10,000 rebounds, 10,000 assists.

Lamar Jackson is gonna have 40,000, 50,000 passing yards and 10,000 rush yards.

Something that we ain't not gonna see again.

I don't think he'll get 10,000 plus passing yards.

I think as he gets older.

You mean rush yards?

Rush yards.

I think as he gets older, and the skill being able to run the ball deteriorates, I think he makes up for it in other areas, which is is why he's gotten so well and so good and polished in the passing game.

How many yards?

How many rush yards Lamar got?

He probably over 6,000 now.

6,000.

He got 6,100 right now, Ocho.

Yeah, but nah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Another, another full thousand.

That's a whole that's a whole lot of rushing on.

Oh, you're think about it, Ocho.

That man had 800 last year and it lit like nothing.

Yeah, yeah,

yeah.

That's it.

I mean, he uh, Lamar came out in 2018.

Lamar came out in 2018, right?

Yeah.

Think about that, Ocho.

Yeah.

Man, eight years deep.

You're right.

Yeah, he's getting 10.

He's getting 10 bands.

His game has changed, though.

Game has changed.

I don't even see Lamar.

I mean, honestly, even with the rushing yards, I don't even see him as a running quarterback.

He's a thrower.

He's a thrower of the ball first, if you notice how his game has changed and evolved over time.

Yeah, he's gotten better.

He's gotten better.

Lamar Jackson is running the ball if he just has to and has no other goddamn choice.

Yeah,

we know.

Uh,

look, in order for him to, this offense to go and for him for them to win, he had to evolve.

He just couldn't be what he once was.

Right.

And he's gotten better and better every year at throwing the football.

They've given him added weapons.

Um,

so yeah, I don't,

yeah, he's gonna get better and better.

And all I said is: look, if he can get his arms to be 80% of his legs,

he'd be the best quarterback in the league.

Yeah.

Well, shit.

Nah, he's damn near 90%.

Nah, his arm damn near 90% of his legs.

Yeah.

That's what makes him so goddamn dangerous, man.

Hell yeah.

I know.

Hojo, DraftKings rank every AFC and NFC wide receiver duo heading into the upcoming season.

Here they go.

Hold on, hold on.

Hey, send me that ass.

She might have seen it already.

There it is.

There it is.

Hold on.

Here we go

okay you see who number one is hey chat chat do y'all see who number one is huh the team that missed the playoffs last year that ain't got nothing to do with what we're talking about i just said do you see who number one is yeah we see that okay wait a minute

how the hell

okay

Oh, oh, no.

Oh, this order.

This order.

This is this order is a no-no.

Okay, tell me what you got.

For one, where the hell is golfing and Mont Ross St.

Brown?

That's the AFC.

Oh, oh, that's the NFC, you mean?

This is the AFC.

You're looking at the AFC.

My bad.

I thought it was a hole.

My bad.

I'm glad you said something.

I didn't say we ranked every AFC quarterback, wide receiver duo.

You told Ash to send it to you.

It's up there on your screen and you got it.

I know.

I'm looking at it.

I'm looking at it.

Okay.

Well, wait a minute.

Well, no, I think lamar lamar lamar and um lamar and zay should be two

lamar and zay should be two

lad mcconkey

and herbert should be three

oh wait a minute hell no

man cj stroud

cj stroud and nico collins should be before pat mahomes and rasheed rice

Hey, boy, this is good right here.

This is good.

This is good.

So

at two, I'm putting Lamar and Zay Flowers.

And then I'm going Nico Collins and C.J.

Shroud.

Then Lad McConkey and Justin Herbert, because Lad McConkey and Justin Herbert, Ladarius McConkey, boy, they be cutting up out there.

Look where they got your team.

Look where they got Miami.

Yeah, and they're only doing that because they're only doing that because Tu and Rick had a down year.

They'll be back this year.

They'll be back this year.

hey josh allen

and khalil shakur

so after after after herbert then

then i'm going mahomes and rashi rice and then josh allen and shakur and after that

the the order is pretty much you got some people that haven't even done anything yet

Yeah, you got some people that haven't even done anything yet.

So,

yeah, in the NFC, okay, there we go.

Here we go.

Let me see.

Where the NFC at?

Where the NFC at?

Okay, here we go.

Here we go.

Okay, AJ Brown.

That's right.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

For one, I'm okay with Jalen Hurst and and A.J.

Brown, but

at two,

at two, I'm going.

Are you sure?

You sure Jalen Hurst and A.J.

Brown are better than golf and Almond Ross St.

Brown?

Are you sure?

Well, hell, if that's the case, then Matt Stafford belongs in front of everybody.

Matt Stafford and Puka Nakua belong in front of everybody.

Are we sure?

It gets interesting.

Yeah, it does.

It does.

It's a good one.

It's a good one.

And then, and and when you think about it, you think about Jalen Brown.

I talk about Jalen Brown.

You think about Jalen Hurst and A.J.

Brown.

They didn't put up gargantuous numbers.

No.

They didn't put up gargantuous numbers.

But if we, if we,

if anything,

Jerry Goff and Almond Rod, St.

Brown do.

It did.

And so did Puka Nakua and Matt and Matt Stafford.

And

I like Jayden Daniel, but I don't think him and McLaurin belong in front of Goff and

Almond Rock.

I can make a case that almond raw and golf should be one

mike evans mike events and uh and baker mayfield they they low being at six is way too low being at six is way too low

and obviously justin jefferson and jay-z didn't they they didn't have opportunity to play together yet right so i understand them being that low

uh who would you go first who would you who would you put first?

Honestly, me, me, chat, I'll chat.

Tell me what y'all think.

I would put golf.

I'll put golf in the Ross St.

Brown.

And then second, I would put Matthew Stafford and Puka Nakua.

I would put, I would put,

I would have, I would have Dak.

I might put, I might, I'm going to put Baker Mayfield and Mike Evans in my top five.

Yeah, absolutely.

I would put Dak in CD third.

And then fourth, I'd have Baker Mayfield and Mike Evans.

Then I go

Hurts and JJ.

Yeah, absolutely.

Or before Hurts and JJ, I might put McDaniels and McLaurin first because, I mean, eh.

After that's, it's, it's, after that's a toss-up.

Damn, that's, I like this.

I like this.

But number one, I'm definitely going with

golfing on raw.

Yeah, absolutely, absolutely.

Hell, Puka and the cool went crazy last year, too.

So that's why I put them second.

Ocho, what would you change about this list?

These are the fastest players based on in-game speed.

Uh, you got tier one, you got time,

you got Reek, Daryl Green, Bullet Bob Hayes, Chris Johnson.

Then you got

Bo, Randy, Rashid, Raheem Mostert, Deshaun Jackson, Devin Hester, Joey Galloway.

Then you got Willie Gault, Trendon Holiday, Cliff Branch, Mike Vick, Marquise Goodwin,

Goodwin.

Dante Hall, Ron Brown.

Ron Brown can run.

People don't realize that.

Then you got John Ross, Ike Taylor, Jacoby Ford.

Jacoby Ford could run.

Mike Wallace, Mike Wallace could fly.

Champ Bailey, Jamal Charles, Pat P, Julio Jones.

Then you got Herschel Walker, D.R.C., Xavier Worthy, Percy Harvard, Adrian Peterson, Barry Sanders, Odell Lamar.

Then you got Charles Woodson, Tyler Lockett,

Cordielle Patterson,

Neil Miles, Jonathan Taylor, Jamison Williams, Fabian Washington, Rod Woodson.

Are you missing anybody on your

they should have had James Jett on here?

Darius Hayward Bay.

Did we say, did he is he on there?

Nope.

I forgot they got Bethel Johnson, who played with the Patriots, and I forgot who else he played for.

He's another burner.

Ahmaud Carroll.

Remember, Ahmad Carroll played?

Yeah.

But Green Bay, Jesus Christ, that boy could run.

Yeah.

Golly.

I'm trying to think who.

I'm talking about burners, burners.

I can't lie.

That top list, I mean, Bob Hayes run a gold medal.

So it's hard to argue here.

Daryl Green never lost the NFL fastest man.

We know what Reek, Chris Johnson had the fastest 40 times, 4-2-4, and we know prime.

Yeah.

But the time is time.

Yeah.

The funny thing about it is Randy Moss ran 4-2-2.

And people don't even realize that.

He ran 4-2 when he was at Florida State.

Before he left to go to Marshall, Randy Moss ran 4-2 at 6-4.

So I really think Randy Moss should be in that

top one, top one?

Yeah.

I think Ron Brown wasn't Ron Brown.

Didn't Ron Brown?

I think Ron Brown was on the Olympic team in 84.

Didn't Ron Brown winner on the Olympic team in 84?

With Dada and

Sam Granny,

Carl Lewis?

You know what's the most impressive about it?

He was on the relay team, did he?

Did he?

Yeah.

I thought so.

Ron Brown could fly.

Everybody on this list is impressive,

but I don't think people understand

watching most highlights.

It don't do you no justice unless you were able to see that up close and personal.

Because

he start off gliding.

And you don't really know he moving

until you're trying to catch him.

Or he done that hand up and he running by you

boy i think but see i think hester was more shifty than fast oh no hester was fast who now that devin hester university of miami devin hester yeah oh boy he was fast and shifty

no he couldn't i mean he wasn't faster than willie gault or holiday i mean you got to understand once you get past 4-3 and up i mean you fast as hell yeah which is which which makes most of the people that's on this list that that that special?

Because not only can you go in a straight line, but you can also transition.

You had great lateral movement.

You were able to stop and restart and get

right back up to top speed.

Everybody can't do that.

Most people are just fast in a straight line.

Everybody on this list can actually play football.

They're good at football.

Think about how many track runners can just run in a straight line.

You put them on the football field, and it won't be the same.

Yeah.

Well, Neil Mile

didn't do too well at football because he couldn't read man or zone.

He got to learn how to sit that thing down.

Who was the track runner that played at Florida?

I mean, that ran track at Florida, University of Florida, but played football too.

Jeff Dempsey Jeff Dempsey.

Jeff Dempsey.

Hey, he was fast as hell, boy.

Yeah.

All of them got, look, Tennessee, Willie Gall from Tennessee.

Stanley Morgan was at Tennessee.

Who's the other receiver?

Anthony Miller.

Tennessee, hey, hey, them guys could run.

The only guy they really couldn't run at Tennessee was Slim Pickens.

But all the rest of them guys, they're kind of like the Ohio State guys.

You know Ohio State,

how all those receivers can run.

That's how Tennessee used to be.

Okay.

Sam Gratty.

Anybody, anybody we miss a no-cho?

Anybody we leave out?

That's what I was trying.

I was trying to think.

Not really.

That's a good good goddamn list, boy.

Yeah.

Bob Hayes changed the game.

He made teams.

Everybody, you had to do away with the,

he brought the zone coverage in.

Because can you imagine trying to cover

the world's fastest man and you tried to play man-to-man on it?

Ain't happening.

What was some speed on there, boy?

Warner Brothers acquires a a script for a Kobe Bryant movie based on the 1996 draft.

The new film will focus on Kobe's 1996 draft day and is tentatively titled with the eighth pick.

The eighth pick in the draft was held by the Nets, coached by recent Massachusetts defector and coach, current Arkansas boss, John Calapari.

The New Jersey was reportedly eager to draft Bryant, only to pass under considerable external pressure.

Ocho, are you excited about the first buyop

about Kobe being bragged?

Yeah, absolutely.

Absolutely.

I think it's going to be it's going to be dope to re relive and retell the story of how it all started.

We know how it ended, you know, as far as when it comes to his career, but let's talk about how it all started, you know,

how the mamba mentality came about

in the beginning.

I think that, I think it's going to be dope.

It's going to be dope for me because I don't know his whole story.

I know the finished product that I got to see on ESPN.

You know,

I got to see that part.

You know, I obviously had many conversations with Kobe

before

he passed.

I had an opportunity to go sit court side with my son, Lil CJ, when CJ was,

I mean, CJ might have been maybe what?

nine, 10 years old.

I'm excited.

I'm excited for that.

There's so many different layers to Kobe's story that I don't know about, especially when it comes to the draft process during those days.

Hell, I was still in high school, huh?

Yeah,

I still got the text

before he passed.

I texted him, I DM'd him December 28th, 2019.

I still have it.

Still got it.

Dang.

Yeah,

I'm definitely tuning into that one.

I'm definitely going to tune into that one.

All right, Ocho, it's time for our final segment of the evening.

It's time for

Q and A.

Damn, man.

I remember.

I just posted, I just posted a picture for Kobe's birthday.

Remember, Kobe and I, we sat down at News Cafe.

We sat there about two hours, man.

Sat there about two hours, man, talked about

life in general.

At this time, I was when I was

disgruntled, as they call it, when I was with Cincinnati, and

I

had gotten in trouble.

Oh, man, it was a great conversation.

I'm not going to disclose it, Rose of here now, but

it's one of those conversations.

Like when I sat with denzel courtside that one time

it was on my head it was one of those conversations it was dope

it was dope it was more something you'll never forget yes it was more of a lashing a lashing out for the acting out in in the manner that i did

it ain't that that

understanding that

there's no way i was gonna win that battle against that power structure so why are you even trying

in a sense, right?

Triple X cop sanity says, Uncle Ocho, uh, did Ocho pay your money yet?

If not, Ocho got a catch.

I'm gonna do what Yannis do, I'm gonna do what I put a Giannis on it.

What, hit me in the back of the head?

Hey, I'm gonna block, I'm gonna block that.

I'm gonna block that.

Hey, he didn't know it was coming.

Oh,

uh, T to the real.

Salute, my brother LeCrae.

We're not connected by gang or fraternity no more, but Holy Trinity, connection is worth it.

And forever, praise God.

100.

Yarla Edge.

This dude is a clown, such a phony.

I would rather take DMX over him if I want to listen to rap music to get closer to God.

Huh?

Well, I mean, what the dude do to you,

Wow, man, people, man,

y'all need to chill, man.

You don't like the man's music.

Okay, that's fine.

But people like him.

I like the conversation that we had.

The man said he said he wasn't perfect.

Yeah.

I think sometimes, Ocho, when we talk about religion and somebody's trying to walk

with God,

people automatically assume that the guy that he or she are perfect right no and that's not what that means

he said that too huh right

he said he's walking with god because he's not perfect and he needs that savior

uh

kole 55 said why would stefansky take shador out but felt that but i guess he said i feel the need to keep the shawn in his last year am i tripping

Oh,

what do you think, Ojo?

No, they need to.

They definitely need to.

That's what we were asking yesterday.

Why would they take Shadur out, considering if they're going to keep four quarterbacks, Shadur is going to be one of the four quarterbacks that they keep, not Snoop Huntley.

That's what I, look, I don't got no problem.

You want to take him out, but I think Shadu would have been better served being in that situation because there's a possibility that situation could come up and he happens to be the quarterback of the Cleveland Browns.

That's what I think.

I think that's what the consensus is: was

that a guy that you're going to keep on the roster, put him in a situation that he might actually see come game time.

Yeah.

Look, Deshaun's going to be on the team.

He has $92 million still guaranteed this year and next year, 25-26.

So I don't see a scenario where they're going to cut him out.

They'll probably

keep him on IR for the entirety of this year.

He tore his Achilles late last, and then he ended up re-tearing it.

So he's not playing this season.

King Rav said, if you're both in your prime, could Chad beat you in a one-on-one tight end versus receiver?

Look, I can't backpedal.

I could never backpedal.

That's why I ain't played.

Well, I

played safety in high school, but I was mainly a linebacker at a wide receiver.

Well, I could backpedal.

I would have locked your ass up.

I could backpedal.

I would have locked you up.

I'm telling you right now, you wouldn't have caught one ball.

We talked about 10 reps, and I let you have John Elway.

I let you have John Elway.

And I played.

Matter of fact, I ain't going to play.

I'm going to play man.

I'm going to play in your face.

I'm going to play in your face.

And I'm going to put my

palm.

Hold on, listen to me.

I'm going to put my palm right between the eight and the four.

And I I guarantee you, you won't get off the ball.

Telling me I'm too light.

I ain't too light.

That's the same thing Ray Lewis said.

You saw what happened to him?

Yep, I did.

Captain Kirk said, What's up, Uncle Dojo?

Who's better?

Who's a better one-on-one rival in the NFL than Ray Lewis and Eddie George?

That's a good one.

I wouldn't consider them a rivalry.

They did play against each other.

They got some good hits on each other.

They're much, much better rivalries than the Tennessee Titans.

I think they said one-on-one, Eddie and Ray.

So is it Darrell Revis and Ocho, Darrell Revis and Randy, Darrell Revis and T.O.?

Is it Time and Mike Irving?

You see, when we talk about rivalries, it's players that have to that continuously play against each other over and over.

Hell, you know, you want to know to me, the greatest rivalry of all, I mean, there's some good ones, but for me mike evans yeah

now that's a rivalry yeah now that's a rivalry that we were excited to and couldn't wait because they were division opponents yep and we knew they were going to face each other twice a year and they literally did not like each other right that's a rivalry i mean i i got i got played against rebus twice You know, two weeks, back to back.

That's it.

Never, never, never saw him again.

That's really not a rivalry.

DJ underscore Dilly, I know it sounds morbid and sad, but the Cowboys will start winning again after Jerry Jones passes on to the other side.

Well, I hope that ain't no time soon, DJ.

Damn.

Dr.

Frankie L.

Bellamy said, hey, fam, I made it back.

Ocho, did you get a chance to attend any soccer?

I didn't get a chance to attend any soccer games.

Was busy going back and forth to concerts.

Love y'all guys.

Glad you made it back safely, Dr.

Frankie.

Appreciate that.

We already know you probably

chimed in all the way overseas.

Jordan, be high-ass.

Uncanocho.

Tomorrow's my 24th birthday.

Just wanted to see if I can get a shout out.

Yes, Jordan.

Happy early 24th birthday.

Hopefully you got something special planned and enjoy it.

Make sure you enjoy it because you're never going to be 24 again.

So enjoy that very, very special day and many, many more to come.

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