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Speaker 17 We've got Grammy nominated rapper La Cree joining us a little bit later. But first, Ocho, the headlines.
The Buccaneers informed rookie Shiloh Sanders today that he's being waived.

Speaker 17 His agent, Drew Rosenhaus, Robert Bailey, a former teammate of mine with the Ravens, added, we're hoping he gets claimed of waivers. Ocho, where do you think Shiloh will land?

Speaker 24 You know what? I'm not sure where he will land. There's some teams out there that could use some depth, especially at the safety position.

Speaker 24 I'm not sure what the Bengals look like

Speaker 24 in the secondary.

Speaker 24 I think Steelers can add, the Saints can add to

Speaker 24 their secondary as well. He's going to get claimed.
Where he gets claimed, I'm not sure where that would be yet. Listen, for one, he has Austin representation and Robert Bailey and Drew Rosenhaus.

Speaker 24 Obviously, they represented me while I was playing

Speaker 24 during my tenure. So he will get picked up.
Where he gets picked up, I'm not sure, but he has the right person in his corner to make sure he gets another opportunity to play the game that he loves.

Speaker 17 Sometimes your last name can be a blessing and a curse. It's not normal that free agents have breaking news that they're being released.
He's an undrafted free agent.

Speaker 17 And because his name is Sanders, the blessing and the curse, people say, well, Shannon, and he only got an opportunity because his last name is Sanders.

Speaker 17 I haven't, I mean, maybe you can recall the last time an undrafted free agent, it was breaking news that he was getting released. Well, actually, getting waived, whatever the case may be.

Speaker 17 Go ahead, Ocho.

Speaker 24 Anytime it's a rookie, especially an undrafted rookie, the only time they make the news, Uncle, is when they get in trouble.

Speaker 17 Right.

Speaker 24 If they're in the arrest of some sort, anything coming out of college where they've gotten in trouble. And, but that's pretty much it.
Because of the last name is why it's breaking news.

Speaker 24 And it just, it's, like you say, Uncas, it's a gift and a curse. Yep.

Speaker 17 And

Speaker 17 I just, you know, hey, you sit back and you reflect and you're like, okay,

Speaker 17 it didn't work out here. Maybe somebody gives me an opportunity.
It works out somewhere else.

Speaker 17 You don't know.

Speaker 17 This is the first time that Shiloh has been told he's not good enough.

Speaker 17 I mean, he's been a phenomenal player. Obviously, he got his first start with the University of South Carolina.
He got a D1 scholarship. His father gets the job at Jackson State.
He goes and joins

Speaker 17 his father and his brother at Jackson. And then when his dad gets the head coaching job at CU, he follows, you know, the two sons follow their dad there.

Speaker 17 This is the very first time. And it's really hard because think about it, Ocho.
He's 25. I think he's 24, 25.
Yeah.

Speaker 17 And for the first time in 24, 25 years, somebody has told you you're not good enough.

Speaker 17 Now, it's one thing if, you know, you get cut from your high school team, you get cut from your junior varsity team or something like that. He's 25.

Speaker 17 But think about it. Think about this, ladies and gentlemen.
I mean, for the first time in your life, you're in your mid-20s. Yeah.

Speaker 17 Before somebody ever tells, someone ever utters to you, you're not good enough.

Speaker 17 Forget it, be a sport. Maybe it's a job.

Speaker 17 Maybe it's something, but to be told you're not good enough because Your whole life, you've dreamed about being an NFL player or your whole life, your dream job, whatever the the case that may be.

Speaker 17 You've dreamed about holding this dream job.

Speaker 17 And then all of a sudden, they're like, you're not good enough.

Speaker 17 Per Yahoo Sports, we're told that Buccaneers enjoyed having Shiloh in the building, viewing the son of Deion Sanders as a good kid, who's at all times respectful to everyone.

Speaker 17 Shiloh could, in theory, sign with the Bucks practice squad after clearing waivers. The bigger question is whether he's good enough to compete and play at an NFL level.

Speaker 17 That's always the case.

Speaker 17 That's what what you weigh, Ocho, because if you bring somebody back on the practice squad, you're saying with a year under our belt, a year under his belt and our system, developing,

Speaker 17 we think he can develop into a player that could play for us. Yes.
Get offense, defense, and maybe he's just a backup. Maybe, hey, they pay backups just in case people didn't know.

Speaker 17 They do pay backups in the NFL. And, you know, he can be a special, a special teams player.
Punt, punt, return, kickoff, kickoff, return. Maybe he could be, whatever whatever the case may be

Speaker 17 now that's what the bucks organization that's what they have to weigh todd bowles and that staff i forget the general manager i i just was reading something the other day about the general manager um because he was talking about

Speaker 17 what's the linebacker they let go uh he was lsu they ended up letting him go and he goes to philly now he's found a home uh i think he's at the texans Or maybe the Raiders, whatever the case may be.

Speaker 17 But

Speaker 17 I just saw his name. That's what you have to, that's what you're up against.
You got 16 spots, so that's a lot of people that you can bring in.

Speaker 17 All those 16 players, Ocho, basically, we're saying that we believe with another year in our systems, offense or defense, we think down the line, he just needs a little bit more time to develop.

Speaker 17 We think this kid might turn into a pretty good player for us.

Speaker 24 Absolutely.

Speaker 17 Let's take another look at him.

Speaker 17 Let's get a bird's eye view.

Speaker 17 Let's stay with him for a year, and let's see what kind of of player he turns into. So, hopefully, that's something.
If he doesn't get claimed off waivers, hopefully, he gets an opportunity.

Speaker 17 Either it's the Bucks or someone gives him an opportunity because maybe he just needs another year to develop into an NFL player. Maybe that's the case.
Maybe it isn't.

Speaker 17 Everybody, everybody, that particular dream, everybody doesn't get to realize it, Ocho. Yeah.
Yeah. Because,

Speaker 17 but you know what? My brother had a very interesting take on a dream. He said, you know what a dream is, Ocho? A dream that comes true?

Speaker 17 He said, it's a gift to yourself.

Speaker 17 A dream is a gift to yourself.

Speaker 17 You, I had very similar dreams. I need to play in the NFL.

Speaker 24 Got to.

Speaker 17 There are no other options. I didn't have a plan B.
I got my degree, but my plan A, B, C, all the way through Z was go play in the NFL.

Speaker 17 And my determining factor was to get my family out of the situation. Now, my brother gave us a head start,

Speaker 17 but I wasn't, that wasn't good enough for me.

Speaker 17 He did it. I never thought there was nothing that my brother ever did that I didn't think I could do.

Speaker 17 Not one thing. He's like, I like, he went to college, man, I know I can go to college, even though I wasn't the student that he was.
I didn't, he applied himself. I never applied myself.

Speaker 17 I was, you know, hey, I got this God-given ability. I'll be extremely talented.
That'll get me by.

Speaker 17 It's amazing. I think it's amazing when I see kids that come from lineage like a time,

Speaker 17 like a Clay Matthews Sr., like a Bruce Matthews son,

Speaker 17 Peyton Manning, when your father has something. and you still have a burning desire

Speaker 17 to get it for yourself. That's very impressive to me.
Coming from our situations, situations, Ocho, it's easy to be motivated. Oh, yeah, yeah.
Being hungry, being hot, being cold,

Speaker 17 it's easy. Being rained on, it's easy to develop motivation.
But what happens when you have none of those extenuating circumstances? Yeah.

Speaker 24 Yeah. You got to want it.
You got to want it. You got to be self-motivated too.

Speaker 24 And you got to understand when you have fathers that played in the NFL that were very, very good, not just your regularly the average players, then also as a child, having to live up to that height, having to live the comparison of your father, you not being as good as your father just yet, maybe, but sometime the pressures of having to live up to in the shadow of a father that was extremely good at his craft can also, it can be demoralizing at times if you're not focused and locked in.

Speaker 24 I mean, a great example of one of the players who was able to do it, T.O.

Speaker 24 Tarot Owen's son. You know, I'm sure he's had to deal with all the all the outside noise, noise, but having a father like T.O.

Speaker 24 that's going to make sure you're prepared for all the nonsense that comes with, don't worry about trying to be me. Just be you.
Just be best Tariq Owens that you can be.

Speaker 24 Hell, this past weekend, what'd he do? Scored? Here the pops, you know, put you through the. I'm talking about, dog, that has to be one of the greatest feelings in the world to have a son.

Speaker 24 to open that or a daughter, whatever respective craft it is that they do or choose to be in, that has to be a a dope, dope feeling.

Speaker 17 Of course.

Speaker 17 I think the thing is, Ocho, the biggest thing is,

Speaker 17 are you living in your parents' shadow or are you embracing it?

Speaker 24 That's a good one. That's a good one.
I would never force my child to do anything they don't want to do, Uncle. No.
I would never force my child to do anything. Listen, I would love.
I would love it.

Speaker 24 You know, if you want to play football, so be it, but it's nothing I would ever force you to do. You know why?

Speaker 24 Force you to do.

Speaker 17 But you know why? Because playing football was your dream. You don't know if that's their dream.

Speaker 17 See, a lot of times when people force their kid to do something, they're living vicariously through the child.

Speaker 17 Now, I'm not saying in all situations because I think everybody wants their child to be successful at his or her chosen path.

Speaker 17 But a lot of times we see the behavior. And people, kids think about now, oh, my son going to the NFL.
My son is going to be a Major League Baseball player. My son's going to be a basketball player.

Speaker 17 Let the kid, let a kid be a kid. Right.

Speaker 17 You're not supposed to look at your child as a paycheck.

Speaker 17 You're not supposed to look at your child as the way out.

Speaker 24 That's a good one. That's a good one.
Or you're not supposed to live by care through your child because you weren't able to achieve the dreams that you wanted.

Speaker 17 You couldn't do it. So now you're going to put that.
Hey,

Speaker 17 hopefully, the child embraces and wants to be that, whatever he or she chooses. And then you nudge them along in that direction.
Don't A,

Speaker 17 this is what you want to do. And my son, very early on, he said, dad,

Speaker 17 this ain't me. This ain't what I want.

Speaker 24 I got a question for you, John. Yes.
I got a question for you. Now that we're talking about that, it's a great topic to to talk about.

Speaker 24 When you think about fathers like Joe Jackson, fathers like Tiger Woods pops. Yes.

Speaker 24 Serena

Speaker 24 and Venus dad. Beyonce's father.

Speaker 17 Yes.

Speaker 24 Fathers that actually understood early on, this is what you guys need to do to be able to reach success.

Speaker 17 You talk about prodigies, though.

Speaker 17 You talk about what.

Speaker 24 But you got to understand, as fathers, you never know that these prodigies are going to be what they turned out to be you think

Speaker 24 dad understood that she would be one of the greatest of all time i mean she's being in the choir you're young joe jackson you you have talent you have you have sons that are talented you have to put them through the through the work to actually get to that pinnacle that you envision so Is that not almost like the same thing?

Speaker 24 They seeing something that they weren't able to accomplish and they feel that their child, the kids, should

Speaker 24 be able to live out their dream?

Speaker 17 But if you go back and think about it, go back and listen to the parent.

Speaker 17 The kid was excited to get up the next day to go do it again. Okay.
They never had to force the child to go do it. Right.

Speaker 17 They never like, come on, Tiger, you got to get up. Tiger was four or five years old.
He already had his bag. He was ready to go.

Speaker 17 Beyonce, they never had to drag Beyonce into rehearsals or say, you need to practice. She was raring to go.

Speaker 17 Mike, he's with the Jackson 5. You say, hey, we got a group, nice little group.

Speaker 17 Hey, and I'm sure, but,

Speaker 17 you know, a lot of times, you know, it's hard. Tiger had a very strained relationship with his father because of things that transpired in the household with his mom.

Speaker 17 We know Mike had a very troubled relationship with his father. He ended up firing his dad as soon as he left the group.
I think in 79, fired his dad.

Speaker 17 All of them ended up firing their dad as their manager.

Speaker 17 So we understand,

Speaker 17 but as a child, you don't understand that, don't you?

Speaker 17 You don't. You don't understand that he, your parent, mom, or dad is trying to push you in a direction because they see something in you that you don't see yourself.
Yeah.

Speaker 17 But,

Speaker 17 but the child has to want it because if he or she begrudgingly do it. Yeah.

Speaker 24 Listen, when they get old enough, when they get old enough to make their own decisions, all the work that you put in, it's going to go to waste because the child is going to turn. Now, you know what?

Speaker 24 The same without.

Speaker 17 That ain't what I want.

Speaker 17 We've seen them. Man, I just, man, I ain't even want to play no more football.
I ain't even want to play no more basketball. And that's, and here's the thing.

Speaker 17 I saw somebody, and he says, he says two things, motivation and discipline. When you're not motivated, are you disciplined enough to go do what you need to do?

Speaker 24 Yeah.

Speaker 17 Motivation. Oh, yeah, OJ.
Oh, I'm motivated. Oh, boy, boy, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 24 Yeah, there's certain levels.

Speaker 17 When the motivation is not there, because you're not going to be motivated every single day, every single time. But will you be disciplined?

Speaker 17 Understanding and realizing what it takes to get to where you ultimately want to go two more examples what's that ball and what he did with the ball

Speaker 24 yes a in and amon ross st brown's father as well

Speaker 24 hey

Speaker 17 magic freight creed magic yeah but he said he'd say hey the boys a they wanted to be at the gym yes it is easy when someone is is is motivated and they're disciplined

Speaker 17 That's the easy, that's the easiest person because you look at the greats.

Speaker 17 Michael Jordan is extremely talented, but look at the motivation. Look at the discipline that he had.
Look at LeBron. Look at a Kobe.
You look at the greats of the greats.

Speaker 24 Yes.

Speaker 17 Not only are they extremely talented, they're extremely driven individuals. I'm talking about obsessed.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 17 Serena was obsessed.

Speaker 17 That's when you get

Speaker 17 when 20, 30, 40 years from now, when we talk about some of the best, the best female tennis player, that's why she's always going to be mentioned because she was obsessed with it.

Speaker 17 Yes, she's ultimately talented to be able to, for her to be able to move around the court like she could with that, with that powerful forehand.

Speaker 24 Yeah.

Speaker 17 Federer. He's like he's on clouds, like

Speaker 17 he's ballet. He's barishing the cop with

Speaker 17 a racket.

Speaker 17 But

Speaker 17 we wish the best. We wish the best for all these guys, but some of these, sadly, it's going to come to an end.
Some of these guys are not going to get,

Speaker 17 what do we call it, Ocho? practice squad opportunities. Some of these guys, it's over, it's the end of the road.

Speaker 17 Ocho, but we got a new angle from the play yesterday in which Shadur threw a punch and was ended up being ejected.

Speaker 17 Shiloh, I keep saying Shiloh, Bill Zach Davidson, grabs the face mask of uh uh Shiloh after the whistle.

Speaker 17 So, uh, are we gonna show that? We can't. Oh, it's the NFL, yeah.
But what happened was after the play, he ends up grabbing uh

Speaker 17 Shiloh's face mask, yeah,

Speaker 17 And it looks like,

Speaker 17 you know, hey, you know how it is, Ojo. Yeah.

Speaker 17 I'm trying to get his hands off. And so, hey, he won't let it go.
So I take a swipe at him. I see you.
I see you, buddy.

Speaker 24 You can't, huh? You can't.

Speaker 17 You're in the wide open.

Speaker 24 Yeah, and not even about being the wide open. It's joint practice.
I understand a little scuffle. In-game, preseason.
No matter where you're at. If you're in the trenches, you know,

Speaker 24 you're in the middle of the, you can't. You just can't do it.
You got to suck that one up. You got to suck that one up and pick a time to get him before the whistle blows.

Speaker 24 Pick a time to get him before the whistle blows within the scheme of what y'all got going on. You can't, you can't do it.

Speaker 24 There's really no discourse. There's no dialogue that needs to go on about it.
You can't do that.

Speaker 17 You're right.

Speaker 17 You're right.

Speaker 17 When you're right, you ain't wrong. And you, and in this situation, you're absolutely right.
And I know, I know

Speaker 17 our instinct is to get him back.

Speaker 17 get it not to get but to get him back right now ojo it ain't good it ain't good it ain't good enough to get him back at a later date in time yeah i got to get you back right now because you got me so since you got me i got to get you you got four quarters

Speaker 24 you got four quarters

Speaker 24 you know i mean

Speaker 24 hey listen it's football man you you know you know how it is out there you you know how it is Oh, I know.

Speaker 24 I had to deal with people trying to kill me for four quarters for a decade

Speaker 24 straight every week.

Speaker 17 Hey, and I got, I don't got people, man, man, such and such, oh, oh, man, such and such dirty. What happened? Man, I was walked.

Speaker 17 Hey.

Speaker 17 Oh, Joe, you know how it is, Ojo. Hey,

Speaker 24 you used to cut people?

Speaker 17 Did I?

Speaker 24 Yeah, see,

Speaker 24 I ain't do that. I ain't do that.
I ain't do that.

Speaker 24 I don't like going

Speaker 24 below the knees. I did, I'm just me, as small as I was, as frail as I was, I never wanted to cut people for the simple fact I don't want to be responsible for you losing your career.

Speaker 17 Or

Speaker 17 did you think about my career when you did that cheap ish? You did? Were you thinking about my family when you did that? Were you thinking about my grandma?

Speaker 17 Were you thinking about my brother and sister, my kids, when you did what you did? I got you. Oh, now you want me to think.
Now you want me to have a heart. Right.

Speaker 17 I'm sorry. I don't.
But I would have teammates that, man, it's such and such dirty. I said, who? Man,

Speaker 17 such and such. I'm like, what do he do? Man, I joke after the whistle.
Oh, he got. I said, okay, let's get him.

Speaker 17 Let's get him.

Speaker 24 Oh, there was some good days, boy.

Speaker 17 Oh, man.

Speaker 24 Oh, good days, boy.

Speaker 17 Oh, you got to get guy. You're not going to get us.
In fact, we're not going to do anything about it.

Speaker 17 Oh, Joe, four of the five offensive linemen that were blocking for Shadur Sanders yesterday were waived by the Browns Browns today.

Speaker 17 D'Artagnan Tinsley, Bucky Williams, J.Veon Cohen, Sebastian Gutierrez, Guterres or Gutierrez.

Speaker 17 One of them. I went to high school with a young lady named Christy Guterres.
So Gutierrez, some people say Gutierrez, and some people...

Speaker 17 She went by Guterres because she was Nicaraguan.

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Speaker 17 So

Speaker 17 Kevin Stefansky clapped back this morning saying he's not trying to sabotage Shadur. Another piece of info came out overnight.

Speaker 17 If Stefansky wasn't trying to sabotage, why was undrafted rookie Greg Larvinian not in with Shadur?

Speaker 17 What's it? Gagne?

Speaker 17 Gage. Gage.
Damn.

Speaker 17 Why all these names? Gage has been with Shadur throughout the camps, practicing even first preseason game. He also trains

Speaker 17 with him outside of practice. Why yesterday was he not in with him?

Speaker 17 Look, Ocho, I don't really,

Speaker 24 we beating a dead horse, huh?

Speaker 17 Yeah.

Speaker 17 Tyler Huntley was released. Tyler Huntley was released yesterday, Ocho, which begs the question what you are not.
Okay.

Speaker 17 You know you're going to wave Tyler Huntley.

Speaker 17 So what good did that two-minute drive do for him? Was it going to help him? Don't you think Shadur would have benefited more from a two-minute drive than Tyler Huntley? I'm just asking.

Speaker 17 If one guy is going to be on your roster, it seems like they're going to keep four quarterbacks on children. Doesn't it seem it would have been more beneficial for Shadur to get the two-minute drill?

Speaker 17 Because that situation that he might find himself in during the regular season, if something were to happen to the quarterbacks in front of him, as opposed to Snoop Huntley? Yes or no?

Speaker 24 Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.
But one thing we don't know is

Speaker 24 how

Speaker 24 that coach's staff is thinking. We don't know what's going through their mind.
We don't know what Coach Stefanski is thinking. I'm not sure what they were trying to look at.

Speaker 24 Maybe get one last look at Huntley before whatever decision you want to make. But again,

Speaker 24 I don't know what else to say at this point.

Speaker 24 Honestly, I mean,

Speaker 24 it is what it is. Obviously, you want quarterback play and opportunity to be given to each and every person.

Speaker 24 They saw fit. They saw fit the way it is.
They're keeping four quarterbacks. And that's where it is now.

Speaker 24 I mean, that's where it is now. I know one thing.

Speaker 24 I've watched a lot of football for a long time.

Speaker 24 Watched a lot of quarterback play for a long time. I played with some good ones.
You know, so, I mean,

Speaker 24 they made the decision.

Speaker 17 Yep.

Speaker 24 This is the way they wanted to go.

Speaker 24 So I wish the Cleveland Browns nothing but luck in their quarterback situation because once once the season starts for real on week one and then bullets flying all over the place for real yeah be a different ball game it's going to be a different ball game it is

Speaker 17 i i look i'm just a firm believer if you go back and study joe flacco since he's been away from the ravens expectations you see when he came in for the sean

Speaker 17 there was no expectations but what happened when he went somewhere and there was expectations

Speaker 17 How did he do?

Speaker 24 Different ball game, huh?

Speaker 17 Yeah.

Speaker 24 The pressures of having to play that position are a lot different. Preseason is one thing.
You know, that's all shits and giggles, no disrespect. It's all vanilla.

Speaker 24 I don't think people understand how difficult that position is to play when you're being schemed.

Speaker 17 Right.

Speaker 24 When they know what's coming, when they're trying to confuse you, when they're trying to throw you off your pivot. It's just a different ball game.

Speaker 24 You got a lot of movement out there in in front of you. You got to make calls.
You got to make line adjustments.

Speaker 24 You got to make, you get, you got them second level backers being able to pimp, man, it's a different ballgame.

Speaker 24 You know, now the Browns haven't been able to get that quarterback situation right in a very, very long time.

Speaker 24 With that, why I think, I mean, all of us, not just you and I, but the chat as well and other people that are watching. you know, everything unfold.

Speaker 24 I mean, this is, it's been a very long time since the Browns have been in discussion like this in the mainstream mainstream media in a very very long time and maybe they got it right this time maybe they didn't but if they didn't get it right the search for quarterback number one will still go on after 35 tries of trying to for sure

Speaker 17 for sure

Speaker 17 and and and uh

Speaker 17 that's the thing is that once you win there's an expectation to win

Speaker 17 So, you know, Joe Flacco coming out off the bench, there ain't no expectations because most times feed have the backup, you're not expecting your backup to be able to carry you.

Speaker 17 That's why he's a backup, or he'd be somewhere else starting. Right, he wins two or three games.
Now, the level of expectation we have is risen. Yeah,

Speaker 17 and then

Speaker 17 we see the precipitous drop. I know one thing, I know one thing.

Speaker 24 We're doing all this Browns talk and all that.

Speaker 24 The Browns are very, very, very, very good. And this is coming from a Bengal fan.
Like, I'm no fool.

Speaker 24 The identity for this team is their defense.

Speaker 24 Dale Ward, Newsom, Miles Garrett, and the rest of them boys. That's their identity.
That is who's going to win game for them.

Speaker 24 Now, what you need the quarterback to do, who will be Flacco, is we need you to play good football, ask what we do of you, and don't turn the ball over.

Speaker 17 This is what Kurt Warner said, the guy that won a Super Bowl. He's a two-time league MVP.
He was a Super Bowl MVP.

Speaker 17 He said, I was really looking forward to the competition between Dylan Gabriel and Shador Sanders in the last preseason game. I know it plays out like this sometimes, but what a bummer.

Speaker 17 Didn't have the same ops, which is the opportunities to make plays. DG played well again, but had some good opportunities to make plays.

Speaker 17 SS didn't have those same ops, so it was hard to make too much of an assessment.

Speaker 17 Wait, what is all?

Speaker 24 I mean, listen.

Speaker 17 I mean, Ocho, if you're a receiver, if you're a a receiver, Ocho, and I'm a receiver, now when I'm in the game, we call it pass plays. You in the game, they call it run plays.

Speaker 17 How are they going to fairly judge you when you don't get the same opportunity that I got? So, how do you judge? How do you judge Shadur when you didn't give him that? Look, he missed some throws.

Speaker 17 He had some protection. Sometimes he's going to have to do a better job of getting rid of the football.

Speaker 17 That's always been my biggest gripe with him is that he holds onto the ball too long and he's trying to make every single play. And you cannot.

Speaker 17 There's not ever been a quarterback that can make every single play sometimes it's okay to throw the ball away sometimes it's okay instead of completing 60 of 70 of your passes and and and and and and and

Speaker 17 70 with six seven sacks don't do me no good right i'd rather you complete 60 of your passes 58 of your passes and have three sacks

Speaker 17 as opposed to completing 70 and having six or seven sacks

Speaker 17 so he's gonna have to do a better job of of untraining himself. Throw that ball away.
And it's okay. You don't have the foot speed to outrun people around the edges.

Speaker 17 There are not very many defensive ends, if any, that you can beat to the edge. Yeah.

Speaker 17 So step up in the pocket. They're not there.
Hey, one, two, check it down or throw it away.

Speaker 17 Go ahead, Ocho. You wanted to say something.

Speaker 24 No, no, no. You're right.
You're right. I mean, one of the things that he does have is he has good awareness.
He has good pocket presence based on what's around him.

Speaker 24 At times, most most of the time, you feel the pocket collapsing around you instead of floating back, just step up in it. Step up in it.

Speaker 24 And it was hard for him to actually step up because once those ends were coming around, the guard, the two guards, everyone was getting pushed in his face.

Speaker 24 So it was hard to be able to step up and find a lane.

Speaker 17 And they're blitzing.

Speaker 17 They blitz.

Speaker 17 They brought pressure. Yeah.

Speaker 17 So the offensive line suddenly doesn't know how to hold up once your door Sanders starts playing, but Dylan Gabriel has all day to dance in the pocket. Something isn't adding up.

Speaker 17 Jeff Swartz, I remember being a young offensive lineman fighting for a job.

Speaker 17 My O-line coach came up to me and said, hey, Swartz, you need to block worse when Smith is playing quarterback, so he looks bad. Totally normal conspiracy that happens all the time.
No,

Speaker 17 I don't, look, ain't nobody telling you to play bad.

Speaker 17 Why am I going to play? I'm trying to make the team. Yeah.

Speaker 17 Me making the, the, first of all, Ocho, if I'm an offensive lineman,

Speaker 17 the quarterback playing good isn't tied to me. Because if I get beat, no, we're not a package deal.

Speaker 17 I'm playing good for myself because they're evaluating me. When they cut that film on, they ain't really looking at the quarterback drop.
They're looking at me.

Speaker 17 How did I say it? Did I get beat inside? Was I supposed to, was I, was I not supposed to get beat inside? Did we, hey, did I molly like I'm supposed to? Did I combo block?

Speaker 17 Did I pop like I was supposed to? That's what they're judging me on. So for me,

Speaker 17 how Ocho caught the ball or did the titan run the right route or did the back do what he's supposed to do? I'm worried about my responsibility. That's what I'm concerned about.

Speaker 17 Shannon's responsibility. And then because everybody's getting evaluated.
We're not getting evaluated as a package deal. Man, the quarterback played good.

Speaker 17 Oh, so everybody, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Everybody's getting evaluated on their own individual plate.

Speaker 17 So I know Jeff was trying to be funny.

Speaker 17 Look, I just think the guys that were in there, the offensive lineman, they weren't very good.

Speaker 17 And so now you got the perfect storm, Ocho. You got four or five offensive linemen that are very good, and you got a quarterback that holds on to the ball.

Speaker 17 Now you got the perfect storm. Now you got a category five and you got an earthquake going on at the same time.

Speaker 17 A disaster is about to unfold. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 17 And that's what we saw yesterday. Yeah.

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Speaker 24 I agree.

Speaker 24 Some hands are great. Some hands not so great.

Speaker 24 That's just life in general.

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Speaker 17 Dallas Cowboys head coach Brian Schottenheimer Ocho says he will meet with Micah Parsons after Micah was seen laying on the medical table behind the Dallas Cowboys bench during Friday night's final preseason game against the Falcons.

Speaker 17 Without talking to Micah, I need to figure out what he was doing and

Speaker 17 why he was

Speaker 17 going.

Speaker 17 Anyway, I don't know what actually roll here. So until I talk to him, I'm obviously I'm not going to talk about it to the media.
What exactly? Because, okay, this is what Micah said, Ocho. He tweeted.

Speaker 17 I actually appreciate this. The way the media shapes perception and narratives is wild.

Speaker 17 If he didn't have anything to say, everyone would just have run with it. I never disrespect the guys out there fighting for their lives.

Speaker 17 I'm just, in interesting clarity and fairness, Micah Parsons was not laying on the training table all night. In fact, it was only a relatively short portion of the evening.

Speaker 17 Well, Well, you could have had him in uniform, you pay him in money.

Speaker 24 Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 24 That's true. Hey, two things can be true.
Yes, but I know one thing: Jerry's gonna drag this thing all the way out, boy. They play September 4th, if I'm not mistaken.

Speaker 17 Is that

Speaker 17 Thursday?

Speaker 17 A week from Thursday.

Speaker 24 Hold on, that's next week, Thursday.

Speaker 17 No, yes, a week from Thursday.

Speaker 24 I'm excited. I'm excited.
I'm excited.

Speaker 24 If Mike is not out there, I don't think they stand in channel defensively. No, they They still got,

Speaker 24 if I'm not mistaken, they still got 26 over there in Philly, right?

Speaker 17 Yes.

Speaker 24 I mean, Philly, they still got AJ.

Speaker 17 They still got that offensive line, too. So I don't know what type of pressure you think you're going to get without Micah.
I mean, I'd like to. With Lane and Mile Lotta.

Speaker 17 Now, Dixon, Dixon might be out. Right.
So, I mean, one thing.

Speaker 24 Even with even with Dixon out, but come on now, huh?

Speaker 24 Come on now.

Speaker 24 We talk about the reigning Super Bowl champs.

Speaker 17 I understand what they're up against.

Speaker 24 Man, come on. Now, if anything, it's going to be a game because the Dallas Cowboys offense and their new additions are going to be exciting.

Speaker 24 I'm ready to see George.

Speaker 17 If they can hold up, huh? If they could hold up against the Eagles Frontier, listen, let me tell you something.

Speaker 24 Let me tell you something. They're going to hold up.
It's week one. You ain't going to have no choice.
You ain't going to have no choice. Boy number four, finna get that ball dealt, boy.
You hear me?

Speaker 24 He finna throw that thing to 13. He finna throw that thing to 88.
But them boys are going to get busy. Okay.
And I'm not even a Cowboys fan. I'm a fan of certain individuals and players.

Speaker 24 You know, I want to see Dak do well.

Speaker 24 You know who I really care about? You want to know who I really care about doing well? I want to see George Pickens play.

Speaker 24 I want to see George Pickens lock in for 16, 17, 18 goddamn weeks. That's what I want to see.

Speaker 24 Shit.

Speaker 24 Yeah, we talk about it. Hey, chat.

Speaker 24 Chat, who's your favorite team?

Speaker 17 Huh?

Speaker 24 Chat, can y'all hear me? Hello? Chad, who's your team? Who are you looking forward to? Who are you looking forward to watching week one?

Speaker 17 No?

Speaker 24 Can you hear me?

Speaker 24 Shit. Goddamn, goddamn Cowboys.

Speaker 24 Jerry don't want to pay Micah.

Speaker 24 I got something to look forward to. I got forward to looking to look forward to George Pickens.

Speaker 24 George Pickens.

Speaker 17 But Micah needs to understand. Oh, Joe.

Speaker 24 Yeah, what happened? Talk to me.

Speaker 17 It'll be the same situation if you're under contract you're holding in you're not holding out you're holding in because you're there yeah and you'd be standing on the sideline and you're laying down michael what do you what you think people are gonna say okay okay well you already you already you already first of all all the eyes are on you first of all you're on the cowboys that's first and foremost second of all you're on you're on the training table And I understand, even if you just laid down for a quick second,

Speaker 17 they're going to make it something.

Speaker 17 so you i want you to understand

Speaker 17 this is going to be a story until you get signed until you're in until you're in uniform so even even if you don't they don't give you a contract everything you do is being monitored it's like well michael don't care micah doesn't care whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa that that that that is one thing we're not going to let fly We're not going to blame Micah.

Speaker 24 I'm not talking about you. I'm just saying in general, just that narrative about Micah not caring because he's laying down.
Well, hell, the goddamn owner don't care.

Speaker 24 The owner don't care.

Speaker 17 The owner doesn't play, huh? You so let me ask you a question.

Speaker 17 Let's just say that was a TJ Watt and he was holding out and he's laying down on the training table behind the bench. You don't think they will say anything about that?

Speaker 17 Let's just say, for the sake of argument, that's Jamar Chase and the Bingles' offense are up and he's laying down behind the trainer table. You don't think they're going to say anything about that?

Speaker 17 Yeah,

Speaker 24 I understand what you're saying.

Speaker 17 That's all. That's all I'm saying.
Micah needs to understand he's a superstar player.

Speaker 17 And

Speaker 17 you laying down, look,

Speaker 24 I got you. I got you.

Speaker 17 It's just what's the word we like to use?

Speaker 24 The optics. Optics.
Yeah.

Speaker 17 Yeah.

Speaker 24 I'd be laying down too if my owner talked about me the way he talked about him.

Speaker 17 So I'm going to say, hey, either

Speaker 17 the question is, is he going to miss

Speaker 17 one,

Speaker 17 what is it? $1.2 million of paycheck. That's the question.

Speaker 17 Is he willing to risk 1.2 million dollars of paycheck? Now he needs to get, huh?

Speaker 24 He's there. He's there.

Speaker 17 If he doesn't play, well, you think they're going to pay him if he don't play?

Speaker 24 My back hurt. I'm in.
I'm here.

Speaker 24 I'm here. You said I'm under contract, right? Okay, I'm under contract.
You know what? I have an injury.

Speaker 17 I have an injury, but I'm here.

Speaker 24 Didn't you say, didn't you say you don't want to pay me because it's a chance? Yeah, I missed some games last year. Well, how about

Speaker 24 I'm still here?

Speaker 17 But Well, the question is, does he want to go take it to a grievance? Because the Cowboys are going to say, we don't got MRIs and we're going to have everything. And the doctor says

Speaker 17 everything checks out. So now you're going to tie it up.

Speaker 24 It's a dirty game, huh?

Speaker 17 It is.

Speaker 24 Hey, it's a dirty game.

Speaker 24 The fact that it's even gotten to this point with one of the players, not just one of the better players, we're talking about one of the top three of this position.

Speaker 24 The fact that it's even gotten to this point, if it was any other team, Michael would have had his money. I think he would have been in training camp.
He would have played in a preseason game or two.

Speaker 24 But Jerry has other ways of doing things when it comes to business. He knows how to construct it to make sure that the noise and the chirping continue to stay around that franchise in general.

Speaker 24 I'm going to let you know, I'm going to pay you when they get ready.

Speaker 24 You're not going to, you're not, you're not, you're not deboing, you're not bullying nothing. I don't care who you are.
Yeah, Jerry said when he sat down with Stephen A.

Speaker 24 Smith, I've been around, I've been in business for a long time.

Speaker 17 I've heard Jerry prove a point now.

Speaker 24 Listen, I've heard hooping and hollering from players that were disgruntled about contracting their money for a long time. That ain't finna move me.
I'm not moving for that.

Speaker 24 I pay you when I get ready.

Speaker 17 You're not going to bully Jerry.

Speaker 17 I've been watching the Netflix special.

Speaker 24 Oh, how was it? It was good?

Speaker 17 It offers a lot of insight. It's what people, look.

Speaker 17 Jerry wanted more credit. Jimmy was getting too much of it.
Jerry wanted some of it. And Jimmy like, nah.

Speaker 17 And it came to a head

Speaker 17 that the man fired a coach that had won two championships

Speaker 17 because he wanted credit and he wasn't getting enough of it.

Speaker 24 What did he want? Did Jimmy just say?

Speaker 17 Well, the way Jimmy explained it is like, and Jerry said,

Speaker 17 I mean, Jerry out of his own mouth, you run the football, I'm going to run the business side of it. Right.
But the business side is not nearly as enticing as the football side.

Speaker 17 Because don't nobody care about the market and who's selling all the stuff and all the stuff that's up in. They care about that football team.

Speaker 17 And Jimmy put it together. And it started, you know,

Speaker 17 Jerry wanted credit for the Herschel Walker trade. People say it was Jimmy.

Speaker 17 Jimmy says, I can show you in my contract where I was in the draft and I was inside of trades. Jerry says, no, that didn't happen, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 17 It was just, but if you watching it, you could see it building. Even not knowing the backs, not obviously, we know this 20, this is 30 years ago, Ocho.
Right.

Speaker 17 Knowing what we know now, but even if you didn't know anything,

Speaker 17 if you just watch it, you're like, oh, yeah, this thing finna come to a head.

Speaker 17 It's going to come to a head, absolutely. Right.
And the final, when you know, Jerry walked through, they had just won the Super Bowl, and the coaches were drinking.

Speaker 17 And Jerry walked through and held his glass up, and all the other coaches held that glass up.

Speaker 17 Jimmy did this.

Speaker 24 Wait, they showed that?

Speaker 17 No, they told a story. Oh, man.

Speaker 17 Then Jerry seethed it.

Speaker 17 Because, see, Jerry wanted to be a part of it. And see, that's the thing.
See, that's why we tell people everybody's rings are not the same.

Speaker 17 And everybody in an organization might get the ring. But unless you one of them got one of the one of them guys,

Speaker 17 the 53, them coaches,

Speaker 17 different.

Speaker 17 Right, right, right, right. And so, Jerry wanted to be a part of that.
But, Jimmy, like, bro, you not putting in 100 hours a week. Right.

Speaker 17 You get to go home every night and sleep next to your wife.

Speaker 17 A lot of these guys don't.

Speaker 17 You've watched your kids grow up. A lot of these got kids, they gonna miss, they're gonna blink, and the kids done graduated, and you wasn't there for a lot of these special occasions.

Speaker 17 So

Speaker 17 Jimmy Jerry wanted to be a part of it. Jimmy resented the fact

Speaker 17 that just because you own the team, you want to be a part of it. You can be a part of this.

Speaker 17 But you could see it. You could see it coming.
You could see it coming. You could see it coming.
Both of them are very, very prideful men.

Speaker 17 There's no question. Jerry, he's the ultimate businessman.
He could sit. There ain't a whole lot he can't sell.
Right.

Speaker 17 Not Not a whole lot he can't sell. And he could sway a lot of people to get on his side.
But

Speaker 17 the way Jim, the way Jimmy had that team clicking on all cylinders,

Speaker 17 they might have won three, four.

Speaker 17 In a row.

Speaker 17 Yeah.

Speaker 24 Dang.

Speaker 24 But,

Speaker 17 yeah, Micah,

Speaker 17 I don't think Micah truly understands

Speaker 17 who he is, what the Cowboys are,

Speaker 17 and

Speaker 17 everything.

Speaker 17 Everything is bigger in Texas.

Speaker 24 Hey, Micah just want to play football, huh? Mike ain't worried about that. Mike ain't worried about that motherfucker staring that helmet.
Micah came in there, okay, I got drafted. I'm here.

Speaker 24 I'm playing for the Cowboys. I understand that.
I understand what it comes with to an extent, but I don't care nothing about that. As you can see, I want to play football.

Speaker 24 I've done something that not very many people have come into this league and done after college.

Speaker 24 I would like to be compensated for what I'm not gonna, not what I've already done, but what I'm gonna continue to do in the foreseeable future.

Speaker 24 Yeah, you have an owner who came out and said some of the most outlandish things to say about a player that is actively under contract.

Speaker 24 I mean, that

Speaker 24 I'm still, I'm still baffled.

Speaker 17 Three more years.

Speaker 24 I'm appalled.

Speaker 17 Jerry, say you want to dance with me, or do you want, or do you want to swim in shark-infested waters for the next three years?

Speaker 17 you gotta dance with me

Speaker 24 hey

Speaker 24 at one point if i'm not mistaken

Speaker 24 being a cowboy player in general was coveted being a coach the dallas cowboys was coveted when they won not no more

Speaker 17 That's when they were treated like rock stars. That's when they was like Hollywood.
They was all on the covers. Emmett and Troy and Michael and Time and all those.
They were winning.

Speaker 17 They were winning.

Speaker 17 They're still a big brand, but all those guys are not getting on no cover of no magazine like it used to be. And this was before the internet.
Right.

Speaker 17 But they're going to have to make a decision. Well, look,

Speaker 17 they got a week from Thursday, they play.

Speaker 17 Let's see what Jerry can do. Jerry says, we've got a deal.

Speaker 17 Jerry says we got a deal. Jerry says,

Speaker 24 they got his deal.

Speaker 17 That's what Jerry said.

Speaker 17 They don't have the that micah parsons and david mullagetta have agreed to jerry say that don't matter jerry say hey there's three people involved here and you know who the lead there's me there's micah there's me and the least important is the agent

Speaker 24 hey

Speaker 24 but you got to be careful man You got to be careful as a player. You got to be careful as a player thinking that

Speaker 24 is your friend. Because this is is what they do to you.
They show you, they show you your true colors now, right? Yeah, they pull it, they pull us off right now while you're valuable.

Speaker 24 You are a value to me, which is why I'm treating you like this. Now, while you think you're a value, I don't really want to pay you your worth,

Speaker 24 but I'm a tricky and try to shake your hand so I can undermine the agent who knows the tricks and it who knows the tricks I'm trying to pull off.

Speaker 24 Ain't no fool, now

Speaker 24 ain't no fool language.

Speaker 17 I just, I just need Micah just needs to understand. Hey, bro, you don't want to stand.
And I know, getting, hey, standing on that sideline, now you see why all them coaches walk messed up.

Speaker 17 That standing three hours, man, that thing has your back tight. Hey, just go grab your seat.
Hey, just go grab your seat on the bench and just sit there and watch it on the jumbotron.

Speaker 17 They probably have something to say about that, but hey, hey,

Speaker 17 I'm out here supporting my teammates.

Speaker 24 I got a question.

Speaker 17 Yes.

Speaker 24 Dallas Cowboys, Philadelphia Eagles, week one thursday night

Speaker 24 who you got winning

Speaker 17 i think it's gonna be the most watched thursday night football game in nfl history uh

Speaker 17 i'm gonna take the eagles

Speaker 17 okay you sure you sure you sure about that yep yep i want the eagles i want the eagles to win 45 to 7.

Speaker 24 God damn!

Speaker 17 Because I want Michael to get his money. You remember back in 93 when they started the season 0-2?

Speaker 17 That's the only way Emmy got his money.

Speaker 24 Money. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.

Speaker 17 I want Micah to get his money. I want Jayla Hearst to throw for $300.
I want Saquon to run for $1.50. I want those two wide receivers to go over $100.
Damn.

Speaker 17 And I want the time of possession to be something like

Speaker 17 60 minutes in game, something like 38, 39 minutes to 20, 21.

Speaker 17 Dude, because I want Michael to get his money.

Speaker 17 He's been a model citizen. He's done everything.
He's done everything the right way. Right.

Speaker 17 Now you want to hold up the man money.

Speaker 24 Oh, man. That's,

Speaker 24 that's.

Speaker 17 I could. So we have a deal.

Speaker 17 He keeps saying, in my mind, we have a deal.

Speaker 17 A contract is a meeting between the minds. Micah doesn't believe you guys have a deal.
That's why they have paper. So let me ask you a question.

Speaker 17 Could they do this?

Speaker 17 So in Jerry's mind,

Speaker 17 this ain't worth nothing. In an NFL binding, that's why they have contracts, that's why they had to go to writing it down on paper.
Because a contract in its general form was a meeting of the minds.

Speaker 17 Two people had agreed, and their word, your word, was your bond.

Speaker 17 And then, what happened? All of a sudden, that ain't what I said, that ain't what I meant. And so, you know what, write it down.

Speaker 17 So, in Jerry's mind, in Michael minds, and Michael mind, they don't have a contract. Right.

Speaker 17 So it has to be a meeting of the minds for the contract to be binding.

Speaker 17 So.

Speaker 24 Oh, Jerry, boy. Jerry tried to pull a fast one, boy.

Speaker 17 Oh, yeah, for sure.

Speaker 17 He's a smooth talker.

Speaker 24 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 17 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 17 Oh, Joe, it took 22 years, but Jerry Jones had finally admitted. He let his ego play a role in the end of the Dallas Cowboy glory days.

Speaker 17 Jones and former coach Jimmy Johnson ended their relationship after consecutive Super Bowl wins in 1992, 93. Neither man had accepted responsibility for the demise of the relationship.

Speaker 17 But Jerry said, I lost my tolerance for a lot of things. I probably should have had a little bit more tolerance for Jimmy Johnson.
Seriously.

Speaker 17 Those are some big words coming from a man that once said 500 coaches could have won those Super Bowls with this team.

Speaker 17 Since Barris Switzer, Jerry has hired five coaches who have delivered just two playoff wins. See, the difference is, you see what he said? Yeah.

Speaker 17 Five coaches, 500 coaches could have won the Super Bowl with that team. Right.

Speaker 17 How many of those 500 coaches could have built that team? Because that's what Jerry did.

Speaker 17 See, you could have a lot of people that can live in a house, Ocho, but how many people can build the house that he or she lives in?

Speaker 17 See, that's what Jerry forgot.

Speaker 17 See,

Speaker 17 that's what Jerry forgot. 500 coaches could coach this team.
Yes.

Speaker 17 But how many of them

Speaker 17 can build the team? Right.

Speaker 17 I'm sure there are a lot of coaches could have coached the Eagles.

Speaker 17 How many of them could do what Howie Roseman did and build it?

Speaker 17 See, you find very few coaches

Speaker 17 that can coach and build. Right.

Speaker 17 Timmy built that from scratch.

Speaker 17 He built it from scratch.

Speaker 17 Now, Jerry started one, but the thing was,

Speaker 17 he wouldn't let Jimmy go

Speaker 17 on no meetings, no advertising, no marketing meetings. He wouldn't let Jimmy do that.

Speaker 22 Right.

Speaker 17 Because that's not what Jimmy was. That's not what he had.
But

Speaker 17 see, it started rolling good. All that credit.
Everybody talk about Jimmy. Jimmy's built one of the best teams.
Jimmy, Jimmy, he didn't hear enough Jerry.

Speaker 17 He looks back. He look at it.

Speaker 17 They could have easily had a 10, 15-year run, just like the Patriots had a 20. They could have got at least half that.

Speaker 17 Because you got to realize, Emmett, Troy, and Mike was in their prime. I think Mike was the oldest at 28.

Speaker 17 Damn.

Speaker 24 Will they ever get back to that type of prominence again and domination? No.

Speaker 24 No.

Speaker 17 League is too balanced now. Right.

Speaker 17 And they don't get consistent enough play at the quarterback position.

Speaker 17 And nobody's going to trade you a Charles. You're not going to be able to get a time.

Speaker 17 And nobody's going to trade you a Charles Haley level defensive player

Speaker 17 in his prime.

Speaker 24 Well, here you got one not too far off, man.

Speaker 24 Based on what we have to work with in today's NFL, you got one you don't want to pay right now. Yeah.

Speaker 17 But think about it.

Speaker 24 A difference maker.

Speaker 17 Troy, Hall of Famer. Emmett, Hall of Famer.
Michael, Hall of Famer. Larry Allen, Hall of Famer.
Charles Haley, Hall of Famer. Deion Sanders, Hall of Famer.
That's six.

Speaker 17 Darren Woodson is on the cusp.

Speaker 17 So that's six guys. So, how many Hall of Famers do you think they got on that team right now?

Speaker 17 And the offensive line was dominant. Them boy was big, right?

Speaker 17 Big Easy, Step,

Speaker 17 Gogan, Tuane, Newton.

Speaker 17 Larry came later, but they were dominant.

Speaker 24 Remember, I went to the Pro Bowl with Larry one year, man.

Speaker 24 That Joker was strong. Remember, they had them competitions.

Speaker 17 Competition, yeah.

Speaker 24 The racing and the man, Larry, Larry Allen must have benched 225, man, 20 million times. Like, man, what the hell?

Speaker 17 But

Speaker 17 I saw this episode,

Speaker 17 and

Speaker 17 Jerry is telling the story after he fired Jimmy. He comes home and he gets into bed and he lays next to his wife, Jean.

Speaker 17 And say, she said, you just couldn't help yourself.

Speaker 17 Say, you just can't let good be good.

Speaker 17 You just couldn't, could you?

Speaker 17 And as he's saying it,

Speaker 17 he almost starts to whale up.

Speaker 17 Because a lot of times, Ocho, when things are good, you think they're going to be like that forever.

Speaker 17 And he realizes now just how hard it is. Because see, when things come down, I mean, think about it.
He bought the team in 89.

Speaker 17 And then by 93, he has back-to-back Super Bowls. 89, 90, 91, 92.
So his fourth year of buying the team, he's in the Super Bowl. The fifth year, they got two Super Bowls in five years.

Speaker 17 What you think is happening? They think that's going to be easy.

Speaker 17 Look at the team we got.

Speaker 17 A quarterback is in his mid-20s, running back like 25. Michael Irvin, like 28.

Speaker 17 Ego.

Speaker 17 You see what happens? Now, he said he had something on his desk that if you don't care who gets the credit, you can conquer the world. He said he had that on his desk for 20 years.

Speaker 17 But see, the way he had it placed on his desk, it was facing out. He never read it.
Everybody else that would come in there would read that. Right.
But he should have had one that was facing him also.

Speaker 17 Yeah.

Speaker 24 Dog, that's crazy.

Speaker 17 They were special. You had, we played them.
I mean, we played them. We played them in 92, the first year they won.
We took them right down to the wide. They ended up scoring.
They beat us. But

Speaker 17 I mean, I think they scored late in the ballgame. I think they scored like two minutes to go to beat us.
And then we played them again in 95 the year they won.

Speaker 17 They were good.

Speaker 17 They were really, really, really, really, really good. And they were young and they were athletic and they were physical.
They were a physical team.

Speaker 17 Jimmy, you hear Jimmy early on and say, hey, let the mind control the body. Don't let the body control the mind.

Speaker 17 I like that.

Speaker 17 Hey, Jimmy, hey, Jimmy said, I'm pushing them farther than you can think you can go.

Speaker 17 Jimmy says, hey, dude, had asthma. He said, hey, have asthma on that field.
Don't you have asthma on this damn field? Have asthma over there.

Speaker 17 Damn, Jimmy.

Speaker 17 The man can't help.

Speaker 17 Where he having an asthma attack, man, hey, man, Jimmy didn't play.

Speaker 17 Jimmy did not play.

Speaker 17 But

Speaker 17 I think Jerry looking at that and seeing it

Speaker 17 and the realization, like, damn,

Speaker 17 we really had a chance to be the Patriots before the Patriots.

Speaker 17 You don't think that Mr. Crabb got tired of hearing Coach Belichick, Coach Belichick, Coach Belichick, Tom Brady, Tom Brady, Tom Brady?

Speaker 17 Man,

Speaker 17 let me keep on collecting these rings. I'm the ring collector.

Speaker 24 And all he cared about.

Speaker 17 That's it.

Speaker 17 That's it.

Speaker 24 You know, two different, two different types of different types of personalities, too.

Speaker 24 Two different approaches to the game and how I'm going to conduct myself and not only owning the team, but allowing those below me to do their job.

Speaker 17 Yeah,

Speaker 17 I think the thing is, but Mr. Krab understood.
I think he learned from Jerry's mistakes. I ain't finna mess this up.
Right.

Speaker 17 I'm not finna mess this up.

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