Nightcap Hour 2: TJ Houshmandzadeh joins and CALLS OUT Browns for preventing Shedeur from succeeding

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Speaker 18 Dan Quinn praises Jaden Daniels for changing the culture of Commander's locker room. I think that smile is at Wolf in Sheep's clothing, Quinn said.
He's an absolute dog competitor.

Speaker 18 Quinn describes Jane's routine and how his

Speaker 18 commitment to putting in the work helps set an example for the rest of the team. Very much an early morning person.

Speaker 18 Would rather grow through everything before everybody even gets here well before the sun comes up there's been times looking out the weight room who's walking off the field in the dark is him that's a standard that other players have also appreciated from him

Speaker 18 yeah coacho

Speaker 20 jayden daniels for mvp this season it's possibly possibly because listen i don't see a sophomore slum

Speaker 20 in the in the in the in the in the works for him. Obviously, I would like for them to get his number one target, target, Terry McLaurin.

Speaker 20 I would love them to get that situation rectified so we can have all weapons and all hands on deck coming week one. But he definitely,

Speaker 20 definitely can be the MVP. And obviously, what we saw last year, it didn't just start now.
It's just something he's always been doing. He was doing it at Arizona State.
He did it at LSU.

Speaker 20 And so it just carried over.

Speaker 20 over into Washington and they got their quarterback of the future for the next 10, 15 years.

Speaker 20 And stuff like that, the little things, the things that Coach Quinn is talking about, the little things is what's going to make a difference, which is why he was able to come into an organization and make an impact and difference right away.

Speaker 20 Right away.

Speaker 20 Things that don't even have to do with the game of football, the approach, your preparation, your worth ethic. I know a lot of people say you work hard and you hope everything comes into fruition.

Speaker 20 It's not just about working hard, it's about knowing what to work on, is what makes the difference.

Speaker 20 Everybody works hard, but knowing what you as an individual need to work on to make sure you on point at whatever it is that you do

Speaker 20 is how you see change and difference.

Speaker 18 You see the difference

Speaker 18 between

Speaker 18 him

Speaker 18 and the guy in Indy?

Speaker 20 That's a good one.

Speaker 18 You see the difference.

Speaker 18 One guy was there early. He's there late.
One guy was there late and he left early. You see the difference.

Speaker 18 You see the difference.

Speaker 18 It's what you do. They watch what you do, not what you say.

Speaker 18 I see better than I hear.

Speaker 18 I hear you talking about how much you put, how much time you put in, but I see you the last one drag your ass in here. I see you the first one leave.

Speaker 18 That's how you become great. That's how you become successful.

Speaker 20 I don't see how you could have sacrificed in that position anyway to want to be the best at what you do. The quarterback position?

Speaker 20 With the kind of money they paying,

Speaker 20 as difficult as it is to find QB1s on certain teams, And I got the opportunity to be QB1 and you think I ain't finna buy in?

Speaker 20 I mean, that's just

Speaker 18 me.

Speaker 20 I'm not caring about nothing else, no other hobbies, or nothing else I got going on. I'm QB1 in Indy.

Speaker 20 You mean I got the chance year one, year two? So, year three is my make it or break a year.

Speaker 20 If I get all my, if I got all my ducks aligned in a row, if I dot all my I's and I cross all my T's, you mean there's an opportunity for me to get a five-year, $300 million

Speaker 20 contract?

Speaker 20 What,

Speaker 20 and you think I'm not finna be locked in? First one there, last one out?

Speaker 20 Mesh?

Speaker 20 Boy?

Speaker 18 Ocho,

Speaker 18 they serve your breakfast, lunch, and dinner. You got cold tub, you got steam room, you got sauna, you got red sauna, you got everything you could possibly need.

Speaker 18 They serve you breakfast, they cook. You want salmon? Okay, you got that.
You want a steak? You got that. You want chicken? Oh, are you pescatarian? So it's only fish for you.

Speaker 18 What type of fish do you like? Make sure we have that. You like salmon? You like trout? Oh, really? Okay.

Speaker 18 Oh,

Speaker 18 I'll talk to the, maybe we can get some grouper. Maybe we get sea bags.

Speaker 18 We get a white fish. You like white fish? Sure.
You like cod? You like halibut? Sure.

Speaker 18 So

Speaker 18 lamb chops. They prepare.

Speaker 18 They cooking sunnyside up over medium.

Speaker 18 Poached.

Speaker 18 You don't want French toast, you want pancakes. Oh, yo, all of that

Speaker 18 is there at your disposal. Now, oh, you're man, hey, let me get in this cold tub, this cold plunge.
Man, man, I'm gonna get in the sauna, man. Let me get in, hey, let me get in the steam room,

Speaker 18 let me get in the red sauce, let me get on the red,

Speaker 18 let me get on the laser tape.

Speaker 18 There is no reason, there's absolutely no reason

Speaker 18 for a player. They have everything.

Speaker 18 Everything you can possibly want.

Speaker 18 And this is an opportunity for...

Speaker 18 God, I just don't get it.

Speaker 18 I don't get it. I don't.
And

Speaker 18 it's not always,

Speaker 18 but you can tell

Speaker 18 that Jaden Daniels, the little bit that I was around him, Ocho, remember before the draft, we had him on.

Speaker 18 He came on the way he carried himself. We had him on last year at the Super Bowl.
He had him on.

Speaker 18 Yeah, he's going to be something.

Speaker 18 You're going to be something. Because

Speaker 18 I've been around enough quarterbacks and to see how they handle their business. The ones that are really good.
I played with one, went to the Hall of Fame. I got an opportunity to see Peyton.

Speaker 18 I wasn't there day to day, but

Speaker 18 talk to people around him and how he goes about

Speaker 18 Peyton ran the practices.

Speaker 18 You can't run the practice if you don't know what the hell you're doing.

Speaker 18 Brady, I heard Brady talk. He ran the practice.

Speaker 18 This is where I want you. This is what it needs to look like.

Speaker 18 I don't get these guys.

Speaker 18 But like I said,

Speaker 18 sometimes, sometimes, Ocho, the hardest thing for us to see

Speaker 18 is our own flaws.

Speaker 18 I raised my hand.

Speaker 20 Shoot, I raised mine too. Matter of fact, everybody in the chat should probably raise theirs as well because we all have them.
We all have them, huh?

Speaker 18 You're so close to the situation, you don't see. See,

Speaker 18 the blindest person isn't the man that can't see, it's the one that chooses not to see. It's when you, when someone tells you something,

Speaker 20 or there's a reoccurring pattern of the same thing

Speaker 18 of the same thing

Speaker 18 he i mean bro as the quarterback

Speaker 18 ocho even if you even if you even if you don't even turn even if you're just in this film room by yourself just be the last one to leave

Speaker 18 fool them you cannot as the quarterback be the first one to leave you can't

Speaker 18 i remember before they got these ipads and all the stuff you could watch it on man I used to see seven watching tape, and then he would take, he got those, you know, our laundry bags, Ocho, the little best bags, he got 10, 15, 20 tapes in there.

Speaker 18 He's going home because he got one of those big machines and he's going to watch them.

Speaker 20 And the funny thing, too, about it, about it too, huh?

Speaker 20 You can't fool yourself pretending like you're watching. Because what's going to happen, based on what you see,

Speaker 18 you're going to rick a little. You'll get your ass in the game.

Speaker 20 You're going to expose yourself.

Speaker 20 you're gonna expose yourself

Speaker 18 because john would come back and say hey and he was like hey uh t did you see such and such did you watch this i said yeah he said did you see what they how they put it i said yeah they played like a uh uh uh what we call a bear stretch they stretched it which was a bare front the center guard and both guards are covered but they had a guy head up and they had a guy outside he says oh okay i just wanted to make i just wanted to make sure yeah oh yeah because he's gonna quiz me

Speaker 18 because you know hey i think i know hey i know what everybody's supposed to do. At least I'm telling everybody I know what everybody's supposed to do.
I know what Rod does. I know what Ed does.

Speaker 18 I know what I got. I know what the back's supposed to do.
So he's like, okay, you say you do it, but did you see, hey, did you see what Green May run? I said, yeah, excuse me, Pittsburgh.

Speaker 18 I said, yeah, they ran cover six, but they do it differently. They kicking it.
So they playing quarters on one side, but they're playing cover two on the back side.

Speaker 18 But the guy in the press, he kicking it. So that's what we call six kick.

Speaker 18 Because you can play cover two, the guy play off, funnel you in, funnel you down inside, but no, he in a press position and then he dropping, but they still play in quarters on the back side and a half, uh, half on the front.

Speaker 18 So it's things like that, guys, don't miss this opportunity. Man, y'all got so, y'all got it's so much that you can do.
You can be great if you want to. Obviously, OJO, you get to this level.

Speaker 18 And that's why I tell them everybody got talent.

Speaker 18 You're not unique. Now, bro, you're not unique.
Maybe you could do some things, but everybody got a certain level of talent you don't get here without no talent

Speaker 18 now i'm not saying everybody is as talented as lamar jackson or has an arm that can throw the ball like josh allen those are different things but if you don't think everybody at this level has a certain level of talent you're fooling yourself just to get in the door you got to have the talent now

Speaker 18 got to have the talent

Speaker 20 now how much work you willing to put in to be even better.

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Speaker 18 Hey, we got a special guest joining us.

Speaker 18 What's up, baby?

Speaker 20 What do you do, what?

Speaker 20 Man, what's going on, man? I just

Speaker 20 going out to eat with the family. I'm like, oh, my boy want me on.
Pull up. Oh, you got a parking lot?

Speaker 18 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 20 I told him, I told him,

Speaker 20 I'm so glad you're on because

Speaker 20 you're much better at being a little bit more in-depth and explaining things because I kind of get frustrated because people still,

Speaker 20 I try to tell them, I talked to you earlier and I knew I wasn't tripping. You saw the same thing I saw.

Speaker 20 But maybe if they hear from you, because they sick of hearing my mouth, and give them a better explanation on 12 situation, maybe they'll understand.

Speaker 20 Man,

Speaker 18 yeah, just give us your thoughts on

Speaker 18 the game today.

Speaker 18 TJ, why do you think the Browns played it the way they did

Speaker 18 and Shadur's performance today?

Speaker 20 From my assessment, y'all,

Speaker 20 they don't want a controversy.

Speaker 20 That's how it looks. They don't want a conversation because

Speaker 20 we know what Flacco can do. Why is Flacco starting the game? We know what he can do.
He led y'all to the playoffs the last time y'all let him play.

Speaker 20 So if you're trying to figure out who you gonna play in case Flacco gets hurt, Dylan Gabriel

Speaker 20 you let them split the game snoop is Snoop Huntley Tyler Huntley's getting cut tomorrow you let them you let them battle it out and so to me it was like wow you you put him in with guys that's gonna be on the street tomorrow they all getting cut shannon everybody shadure play with they getting cut tomorrow on Monday we know that

Speaker 20 and so you didn't give this man a fighting chance to compete he went into a gunfight with two knives he gonna lose that every time

Speaker 18 I was surprised, TJ. What I was most surprised about is that this is your opportunity to see him in a two-minute situation.

Speaker 18 Why are you giving a guy a two-minute situation when that guy is gonna be on the street in the next couple of days? So, what do you get? And people already know what Hutley can do.

Speaker 18 He's been a starter in this league. He backed up Lamar Jackson for two to three years.
He even started a postseason game.

Speaker 18 So, I don't think anybody's gonna look at that two-minute situation and say, you know what? Snoop Hutley is our backup.

Speaker 18 we saw him last year and he goes down to miami we saw him last year and we've seen him in situations that's what but that's what was confusing to me tj

Speaker 20 you you know why they did that shannon if shadure take them down there drive down the length of the field they win that game the fans gonna be saying shader our quarterback shadure should be our starter shadure should be the guy that starts game one week one look what he did They didn't want that to happen.

Speaker 20 And I don't know what's going on with Kevin Stefanski. It's almost as if,

Speaker 20 and I don't even want to say this, but I'm going to say it anyway. It's like he don't want Shadir to do well.
Like when he played well the first game, he was so off-putting.

Speaker 20 Like, oh, yeah, well, you know, we'll see what happens next. Like,

Speaker 20 he should, oh, he played great, man. He, he exceeded our expectations.
I'm proud. He didn't say none of that.
And so to me,

Speaker 20 it's as if they want him to fail so they can justify doing what they want to do.

Speaker 20 But, man, listen, the way when they, they when uh dylan gabriel and i know dylan gabriel and i like dylan gabriel i know him personally very good dude when he made the entertainers and competitors comment

Speaker 20 man shannon if that was me

Speaker 20 i would have walked up on dylan gabriel myself and be like hey bro what did you mean Shadir handled that about as good as anybody can handle it when he was asked that.

Speaker 20 He done handled himself the right way the entire time he'd been there.

Speaker 18 Ocho said it wasn't nothing. Ocho said we made a big deal about nothing with that TJ.
Nah, nah.

Speaker 18 He said he wasn't talking about. Ocho told me he was not talking about Shadur.

Speaker 20 So when you first hear it, 100% you talking about me if I'm Shadur. When I first heard it, I'm like, oh, he's talking about Shadur.

Speaker 20 If you sit back and reflect on it, I believe he's talking about

Speaker 20 y'all two

Speaker 20 and the people on TV, the guys that are entertaining everybody else. But initially, when I first heard it,

Speaker 20 I said, oh, my God, why would he say that?

Speaker 20 But then when you sit down and think about it, I do believe he wasn't talking about Shadur, but in that initial reaction, oh, I'm going to compress you just to make sure.

Speaker 18 Let me ask you this, TJ.

Speaker 18 Why was he talking about Ocho and I? We're not competing yet.

Speaker 20 He's competing, but the entertainers, the guys with great podcasts, like what y'all doing, the guys on TV.

Speaker 20 They entertaining y'all. So don't let them have us go against each other.
We're going to compete, but the entertainers, that's how I took it once I sat back and reflected and thought about it.

Speaker 18 I think you gave him too much credit for that. I don't think he thought that far in depth.

Speaker 20 And it could be, though, Shannon, that I know Dylan Gabriel. I've been knowing him for a few years now, and I like him, and that could be why.
Right.

Speaker 18 Yeah.

Speaker 18 It seems to me, you know, sometimes, like, when you didn't like somebody, a hoosh, and somebody mentioned their name, and you get quiet, and you're like,

Speaker 18 it seems like every time they mention shadur's name like the fans get a part of him inside like damn i gotta talk about this dude he forth he forth string why are we talking about a dude that's played that's fourth string

Speaker 20 because he played well and let's just be honest man we all know who his pops is and so he came he came into the league like whoa did they really just do shadur the way they did him during the draft so automatically all odds was going they were going to be on him because of the way he came into the league he played so so well and then to be drafted in the fifth round everybody was taken aback by that

Speaker 20 then he gets in the game when he played the way he played some of them throws he was making man those aren't easy throws it ain't like it's coming three he threw guys

Speaker 20 he was throwing bbs

Speaker 20 and so yep i don't know why

Speaker 20 They won't give this man a fair shot. At least it just seems that way.
Joe Flacco may lead him to the playoffs, but he's not your quarterback of the future.

Speaker 20 I'm going with one of these young guys so that I can see, are they the future or I got to draft somebody else?

Speaker 18 Yes.

Speaker 18 Yeah,

Speaker 18 I totally agree with you.

Speaker 18 Look, in year 18, based on Joe Flacco's resume and his history, he's going to win you four or five games.

Speaker 20 Yeah, but that's run.

Speaker 18 But here's the thing. Joe Flacco wins you games when there's no expectations.

Speaker 18 You see, the number one thing that a

Speaker 18 killer player is expectations.

Speaker 18 When the backup come in and he gets to play free and loose,

Speaker 18 put expectations on him and see what happens. Now we expect you to lead us to the division.
We expect you to win this game for us and see how they do it.

Speaker 20 You got these unknowns, man. You be having these Shannonisms, man.

Speaker 18 Hey,

Speaker 20 you're right. Because now we expect you to win this playoff game.
You fall flat. We expect you to beat the Ravens or the Steelers or the Bengals.
You fall flat.

Speaker 20 And

Speaker 20 he's not your future. That, to me, is the biggest thing.
The Cleveland Browns are a quarterback away from being competitive with anybody because of that defense and the skill guys that they have.

Speaker 20 And so, to me, it's a no-brainer. I don't know why or what Shadir has done.

Speaker 20 Because

Speaker 20 Prime played a long time.

Speaker 20 Prom played a long time. They love Prom.
Just because

Speaker 20 their daddy was a confident individual,

Speaker 20 his kids are going to be the same way. We are a product of who we are always around.
And

Speaker 20 that's just what they are. Man, listen, if you ask my son, is the next boy better than him? And he say, yeah, we got a problem.
He know better. And so

Speaker 20 sure is bred the same way. I just want to see the young man be given a fair shot.
And from the outside looking in, it doesn't look like that's the case.

Speaker 18 Yeah.

Speaker 18 I remember when Prime said, do not let my confidence offend your insecurities.

Speaker 18 Don't let my,

Speaker 18 don't let that go over y'all head now. Don't let my confidence offend your insecurities.
Man, I really feel who I am and what I think of myself. That shouldn't have anything to do with you.

Speaker 18 Because see, now you're allowing my confidence and my ability now you don't feel so secure in yourself in your abilities so now i'm i'm offensive how dare you talk like that

Speaker 20 so where's the lie in what i said and and this is the thing though shannon you one of the best to ever do it and chad should be right there with you in the hall of fame that's another discussion every professional athlete

Speaker 20 man you we all had the utmost confidence like

Speaker 20 I still feel like right now I can go play in my head.

Speaker 18 Like, in my head, I feel like I can go get it done.

Speaker 20 Like I believe in myself to the fullest as you, as you do, Chad does as well. We all, every professional athlete has unwavering belief in yourself.

Speaker 18 That's how you make it. That's because you make it.

Speaker 20 And so to me, that's what you want. And the way, man, the way this dude has handled himself, man, has been

Speaker 18 unbelievable. He's unbelievable, man.
He's still unbelievable.

Speaker 20 Like, you could tell he's been raised, right? Like, so many guys, the questions they asking him and the way they treating him

Speaker 20 they didn't give him this drive that drive today man come on man that dude could have just sunk sat on the bench he didn't do that i'm sure he was disappointed he handled himself the right way on the sideline

Speaker 20 me and chad would have been throwing

Speaker 20 our helmets or something

Speaker 18 oh y'all already know

Speaker 18 but but the thing is that that he knows who

Speaker 18 is that he knows no matter where he is the cameras are on him. If he's on the sideline getting Gatorade, the cameras are on him.

Speaker 18 If he's standing there listening to the play being called in the headset, the cameras are on him. When he's on, so whatever emotion he's going through, the cameras are going to be on it, on him.

Speaker 18 And guess what? People are going to try to deduce what is he thinking. What's going on in his head? You see his body language? That's why he was a fifth-round draft pick.

Speaker 18 Look at the body language, Ocho. You see what happens? Blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 20 Bro. Hey, great awareness.

Speaker 18 So I'm supposed to...

Speaker 20 he has great awareness let's go if you look at what jackson dart has done in new york what are they saying now in new york what are they saying

Speaker 20 man when is jackson dart gonna be starting what week is jackson dart gonna be the starter

Speaker 18 hey

Speaker 20 you think they want that in cleveland they should

Speaker 20 they should want it

Speaker 20 But they don't because you look Jackson Dart has played so well. It's like Russell Wilson is about to get Matt Flynn the way he did Matt Flynn.
Jackson Dart about to do Russell.

Speaker 20 Why ain't they giving Shadur the same opportunity?

Speaker 18 You heard that on Joe? Oh, yeah.

Speaker 20 You told him that already.

Speaker 18 I did.

Speaker 18 I'm telling you.

Speaker 20 But you have to understand. And

Speaker 20 this is. This is so funny.

Speaker 20 The people that continue to say we're making excuses for Shadur.

Speaker 20 The simple fact that the owner came out and said, This is not the player I wanted. Shadur is not my pick.
That alone, that tells you all you need to know.

Speaker 20 Kevin Stefanski's hands are tied.

Speaker 20 He answers to someone else, he answers to a higher power. There's a reason why, when he asks about Shadur, he has a certain look on his face.
There's no excitement.

Speaker 20 He doesn't say the right things that normal coaches say about players when they do well, even though it is just a preseason game.

Speaker 18 He's the coach. He doesn't have no sale with the final 53

Speaker 20 he got no kevin stefansky does not have sale with a final 53 that's barry and that's jimmy hasn't he hasn't had enough success that's why that's he hasn't had enough success if he had more success as a coach and with that team he would have more say so a little input a little input but he does

Speaker 18 but but see what happens when you get a job and you haven't had a whole lot of experience you see now ben johnson he gets to go to chicago he got say over the final 53 andy Reid had say over the final 53.

Speaker 18 Sean Payton had say over the final 53. Mike Tomlin has say.

Speaker 18 But

Speaker 18 when you don't have the kind of credentials and you get a head coaching job, you're happy to just be a heck. There are only 32 of these things in the world.
You want a 32.

Speaker 18 And if you happen to get one, you're like, okay, hey,

Speaker 18 y'all do whatever y'all want to do. I don't want to do that.
I just want to coach the team. And Kevin Stefansky is just coaching the team.

Speaker 18 Because all things being

Speaker 18 me personally, I don't think he would want to carry four quarterbacks. Because as long as Shadur Sanders is on that team, there are going to be questions, Oosh.

Speaker 20 There's going to be questions as soon as they start losing. As soon as they start losing, Flacco going to the bench.

Speaker 20 And because honestly, I believe they really wanted Kenny Pickett to be the starter. Kenny Pickett just couldn't stay healthy.

Speaker 18 See, Ocho didn't want to listen to me. And you know what?

Speaker 20 I ain't going to say, I know that for a fact. I was told that by somebody that's in that building, that it was Kenny Pickett or Dylan Gabriel.
I was told that by somebody that's in that building.

Speaker 20 Kenny Pickett or Dylan Gabriel.

Speaker 18 I'm just going to dust.

Speaker 18 Y'all go ahead and talk over there. I'm just going to dust.

Speaker 20 I'm going to dust. I'm not even telling you that.

Speaker 20 Yeah.

Speaker 20 You talking about competing in that AFC North?

Speaker 18 You got to have a quarterback. Look at the quarterback.
Look at the quarterbacks. You got, okay, okay, you got two games against Joe Burrow.
You got two games against Lamar Jackson.

Speaker 18 And you got two games against Aaron Rodgers. And now everybody said Aaron has looked well.
We'll see. He is 41.
We'll see how his body holds up, especially. Now, in the warm, when we...

Speaker 18 You live in a nice, you live in California, Hoosh. So it's warm pretty much year-round.
As we start to get old, there's a reason why people go to Florida.

Speaker 18 There's a reason why old people go to Arizona. There's a reason why old people live in Nevada.
Because that warm weather.

Speaker 18 Now, Now, you go back and look at Aaron Rodgers in the beginning of the season, played well, and then when it got cold, he didn't play so well.

Speaker 18 But in the two games that he had in Miami, the game he had in Jacksonville, what's the weather like in Jacksonville and Miami in December? Really nice. Go back and look at the games how he played.

Speaker 18 So we'll see when the weather turns cold in Pittsburgh, in Baltimore, in Cincinnati, and Cleveland, if he can stay.

Speaker 18 But you know, tried and true, Lamar Jackson and Joe Burrow is going to be able to will and deal. So if you're in that division, you've got to deal with those guys.

Speaker 18 And if you can't beat those guys, you can't go one in what, one in six, one and yeah, one in five and think about you're going to win that division. That ain't happening.

Speaker 20 No, sir. When is the last time Cleveland has had a quarterback that you just spoke of? Like, when is it? Bernie Cozar?

Speaker 18 Oh, David.

Speaker 20 Is it that far back? Yes. Like, yes.

Speaker 20 To me, I want a guy like Shadir. I'm giving him an opportunity.
If you fall on your face, you fall on your face.

Speaker 20 But you getting a chance with me, because if I win with Shader and I'm Kevin Stefanski, I have a lifetime of security. I'm retiring when I want to retire

Speaker 20 if Shadur turns out to be that guy.

Speaker 20 That to me is why I don't understand. And you made a point.

Speaker 20 He must have his hands tied. Because why wouldn't you want to go with a young guy? Because if he succeeds, I'm set for life.
I'm a hundred million dollar coach now.

Speaker 18 Easily.

Speaker 18 Easily. i look i would rather win my way

Speaker 18 i would rather lose my way than win someone else's way hey that's another oncism there's another onchism right there chunk him up

Speaker 18 tj how many times have you seen coaches

Speaker 18 let me if i'm gonna win or lose i'm gonna do it my way There's a lot of times, especially in the NBA, when they want to play the young guys, and the coach is like, hell no, I'm trying to win.

Speaker 18 And they get him up out of there because somebody's going to come in and play. And we're going to do because we try to get a draft pick.

Speaker 18 We try to get Zion Williamson or we try to get Cooper flag or whomever. So coaches will say, you know what? If I'm a lose, I'm going to lose my way.

Speaker 18 I ain't winning somebody else's way.

Speaker 20 You do that in the NFL. They're going to be working on somebody's network television.

Speaker 20 They're going to get them up out of here.

Speaker 18 Hey,

Speaker 18 everybody got all these, got

Speaker 18 these great answers. Well, they should do this.
Man, look here I'm sitting up here on TV because I retired now why are you here

Speaker 18 if you got all these great you got all these great ideas who

Speaker 18 I'm sitting up here on TV because I retired now explain explain to me did you retire because if it was as easy as what you making it out to be you should still be somewhere and and that's why

Speaker 20 even and everybody hopes to get To be in Mike Tomlin position, Andy Reed position, Sean Payton position, Sean McVay, Kaush. That's That's every coach's dream.

Speaker 20 And the way football is now, you better have a guy under center that can fulfill that dream and make it come true.

Speaker 18 It's not the way it used to be. A,

Speaker 18 bring your defense in a running game. I don't care how good your defense is.

Speaker 18 You could have the 2,000 Ravens. If your quarterback suck, you not winning no championship.

Speaker 18 Because I can guess what?

Speaker 18 Because you know why?

Speaker 18 because he's the only guy that you cannot hide because guess what if I got a guy that struggles to get off press coverage I can stack the formation I can put his ass in motion and I can make it difficult for you to press him so I can get a free release if I got a weak corner I can give him help over the top I'll put him in cover too I'll roll protection I have I'll buzz the linebacker I can do things to protect him I can slide my offensive line one way or another or I can tell the back to chip his way out now you tell me how the hell do you hide your quarterback?

Speaker 18 Because I'm going to force his ass to make throws.

Speaker 20 We're going to play Pop Werner football.

Speaker 20 We're going to press him. We're going to put eight in the box, safety in the middle of the field.
He'll beat us. That's what they're going to do.

Speaker 18 I'm going to make you throw it.

Speaker 20 Absolutely. And that's how you get found out.
To me, the way the game is evolved,

Speaker 20 you got to have

Speaker 20 a really good quarterback or a great one, and you got to have some guys on the outside that can get open. Straight up.
That's what football is today that's what it is

Speaker 18 it ain't that hard we make it harder than what it is but it ain't that hard it's still play it's still played the same way

Speaker 18 my 11 against your level but i tell you what your weakest 11 better not be the quarterback

Speaker 20 i don't care about that all that other stuff your weakest of your 11 better not be him when you start saying the weak links on offense if your quarterback is within the first first five or six you say you got a problem

Speaker 20 you a real one he he can't he don't have to be best but he better be one of the top three on that offense top four at worst and if he's not one of those you're not going where you want to go

Speaker 18 no

Speaker 18 hide him you used to get hide because you look we run the you run back yeah we run the ball And guess what? We run the ball 35, 40 times.

Speaker 18 We throw it on our terms.

Speaker 18 It's second and one. It's third and one.
We catch you off. Nah, they won't let you do that now

Speaker 18 because they've made it so conducive for you to throw it the way they protect the quarterback.

Speaker 18 And if you think if I'm going to pay a guy $60 million, TJ, so he can turn around and hand his ball off 45 times a game, you better kiss my butt.

Speaker 18 You will throw it. I pay you $60 million, and you better have 35, 40 touchdowns, 4,000, 5,000 yards.
I am not paying you that kind of money to hand the ball off.

Speaker 20 Now, you're going to throw that thing. You're going to run it.

Speaker 20 You might have to catch it sometimes, too. Because the way in about five years, Jay Daniels going to get, he's getting 80 million a year.

Speaker 20 Jay Daniels getting 80. He's getting 80.
CJ Stroud is going to probably get about 77.

Speaker 18 Yeah.

Speaker 20 And that's where the game is going.

Speaker 18 Because you see Josh Allen. You see what Josh Allen got.

Speaker 20 And

Speaker 18 the cornerback, they're just going up. And that's what Richardson, Richardson was supposed to be.
And he was supposed to be right there. He was supposed to be getting up.

Speaker 18 But see, what I told him, and people are, man, you be hating on the, I say, guys, he's been labeled a project his entire career.

Speaker 18 So with a project, you don't move in. If I buy a building, I say, this is a project.
I think if I fix this thing up,

Speaker 18 I think it can be really good, TJ. You don't move into a project right away.

Speaker 18 You build it up.

Speaker 18 They say this guy's a project and you throw him out there week one. What project, they didn't even, what project have they ever done that with?

Speaker 20 Shannon,

Speaker 20 they drafted Anthony Richardson fourth overall.

Speaker 20 Correct. And what did they say when he came out? He didn't start enough games in college.
He ain't started enough games in the league. They're not giving him a fair chance.

Speaker 20 When we in school, the days that I did go and you had a project due that they ain't give us a project today and say the project was due tomorrow we had about a week or two to complete the project it takes time you got to do your research you got to study they didn't give Anthony Richardson that time but but but

Speaker 20 he's not absolved of any blame because

Speaker 20 you can never never

Speaker 20 check yourself out a game and say you tired ever you can't do that and when he did that he lost some guys in the locker room and he lost some guys upstairs you can't do that but with that being said he you can't come into the league needing experience and then when you get to the league they give up on you before you even get any type of experience yeah

Speaker 18 it was him that said the nfl is easier than college do everybody remember him saying that he said that oh joe he said that

Speaker 20 he'll take that comment back yeah i don't think i don't i i think he he answered too fast he he answered too fast based on what he had seen to date before he did that interview and he might have felt that way but it's a whole different ball game it's a whole different

Speaker 20 as you can see now

Speaker 18 you guys i played with i played in an era where great quarterbacks played with a great one. You tell me, have you ever heard Brady,

Speaker 18 Manning, Elway, Marino, name a great quarterback that says NFL football is

Speaker 18 easier than college football? Just tell me one.

Speaker 20 Ain't nothing about NFL easy at any position.

Speaker 20 Especially quarterback. You got to know what the entire offensive line is doing, the running backs doing, the receivers, tight ends.
And then you need to know what the defense is doing.

Speaker 18 Worry about the defense. Yeah.

Speaker 20 Ain't nothing about that easy like being a quarterback you basically going to mad school you studying to be an attorney you studying to be a neuroscience like you being a quarterback takes so much time so much commitment that nothing about it is easy but guess what he know now

Speaker 20 he know he know now

Speaker 18 That's why I don't feel bad when they will want to have, hey, man, hey, they want to drink. Hell, I'd be drinking too.
Because

Speaker 18 you mentally exhausted because you're literally thinking. Me, when we've gone up, hey, I'm trying to beat the guy in front of me.
That's what I'm worried about.

Speaker 18 Ocho, you trying to beat the guy in front of you. He got to worry about, man, I sure hope this left tackle did his job.
Man, I wonder if Ocho running the right route.

Speaker 18 Damn, I wonder if who's got our press in the slot? Damn, man, did the bat chip his way out? Did we slide the protection the right way? Oh, damn, I got to throw the guy open.

Speaker 18 That's every single play for 65 plays.

Speaker 20 And And even though people look at it as they just drop back, hike the ball, and just

Speaker 18 that's it.

Speaker 20 Okay, okay.

Speaker 20 That's how people do it. That's why they talk so much trash from the outside, looking in, thinking that the job is easy at that level.

Speaker 20 And then this is what people don't understand.

Speaker 18 Ain't no job in the field.

Speaker 20 Cornerback calls a play out the huddle. Have y'all noticed?

Speaker 20 Just watch the games.

Speaker 20 They walk up to the line of scrimmage. They look around.
They're taking their time. They're processing information.
They don't get into that cadence right away.

Speaker 20 They look around, they're thinking, okay, this, okay, what are they in? This is what we have. They're processing, and that's every single play.

Speaker 20 So they're thinking without thinking because you want it to be second nature. Now, I got to just react.
And that's where all the study during the week comes from. But they get fooled.

Speaker 20 You live to play another down. That quarterback position, man, is no joke.

Speaker 18 Nope. And the thing is, is that because he has to remember down and distance.
He got to remember area on the field. He's got to remember, okay, time on the clock.

Speaker 18 I mean, most quarterbacks, they study coordinators because coordinators become head coaches and they bounce around the league.

Speaker 18 So Peyton Manning probably had a book of all Rex Ryan was Rex Ryan was a D coordinator in Baltimore, but he's the head coach in Buffalo, had that in the Jets. Tom Brady, same thing.

Speaker 18 Drew Breed, same thing. So

Speaker 18 all these coordinators, guess what they turn into be? Head coaches. And when they're head coaches, guess what they're going to run?

Speaker 18 The defense defense that they ran with the D coordinator at another stop. So

Speaker 18 it gives me a head start

Speaker 18 on what I need to prepare for. Quarterback is not an easy position.
I understand why they make the big bucks.

Speaker 18 And I ain't envious of it because I don't know about y'all, but I've taken some shots that I didn't see, and they hurt.

Speaker 18 So imagine just standing there, you're about to throw the ball, and the dude put his helmet right in your back.

Speaker 20 It's a thankless position. And that's why I believe they get too much credit when things go well and they take way too much of the blame

Speaker 20 when things go bad.

Speaker 20 Football is an ultimate team game, 11 on 11. Ultimate team game.

Speaker 18 Because, hey, you could play great, and somebody dropped a pass, and then somebody miss a block.

Speaker 18 It really, sometimes it comes down and you're like, one play don't win the game. Okay, when did that play happen? Yeah, they quick to say that.

Speaker 20 If I drop a ball and it's at the end of the game, oh, I cost y'all the game. And

Speaker 18 we all know that. All players.

Speaker 20 The leaders on the team going to say, oh, that play didn't cost us. Like, boy, yeah, it did.

Speaker 20 Yeah, it did. I'm mad enough to say, yeah, it did.
It cost us. I mean, that happened to me in the playoffs.
I dropped the ball. You couldn't, Ray Lewis came up to me, man, that ain't cost us a game.

Speaker 20 I said, Ray, yeah, it did. That cost us the game.

Speaker 20 And that's just the reality of it. One play can cost you a game, but a leader going to say it can't.

Speaker 18 Right. Because all plays aren't created equal.
All turnovers, a turnover in the first quarter is not the same as a turnover with three minutes left in the ball game.

Speaker 18 A big play in the first quarter, it doesn't have the same impact as a big play late in the ball game. Plays vary.
They have different weight.

Speaker 18 And we understand that.

Speaker 18 Look, we all go say all the right thing, but under my bra late, yeah, it did. It cost me.

Speaker 20 100%.

Speaker 20 But that's a good thing about football because

Speaker 20 we always hope

Speaker 20 I'll be better next week. I'll be better next week.
And then when next week don't come, it's like,

Speaker 20 oh.

Speaker 18 When am I going to get my opportunity to redeem myself? Because

Speaker 18 that's the thing about sports is that you always get an opportunity to update your resume. And some sports is sooner than other.
Baseball, basketball, they play every die, every other night.

Speaker 18 You know, they play three games a week. In football,

Speaker 18 you get once a week to update that resume. And you don't get to keep it.
Because a lot of times what people try to do, Hoosi, and you know this, Ocho, is that a guy, man, you, bro,

Speaker 18 I know what he did. And when he did that, I ain't taking nothing what he's already accomplished away.
Those three MVPs, those Super Bowl MVPs, those all-pros, he still got those on his mantle.

Speaker 18 But I'm talking about yesterday, he was some slaughter.

Speaker 18 It's really that simple.

Speaker 18 I ain't one of those guys that, you know, you get to, it's a legacy and you get to keep, you can play bad.

Speaker 18 And even though you got all these accolades, it no, hell no, that ain't how it works in sports. They don't carry over like that.

Speaker 18 Hell no.

Speaker 18 Not with Shannon. They don't.
It's about right now.

Speaker 20 It ain't about yesterday, tomorrow. It's right now.
What are you doing right now? And that's the world of sports.

Speaker 18 That is. well, TJ, man.
We look, we're gonna let you get into your family, we're gonna let you go and get some dinner, get out to eat. Hey, babe, thanks for stopping by.
Come back and join us

Speaker 20 and you in the weight room, bro. You're looking kind of swollen.
Your shorts, your shirt small.

Speaker 18 Oh, you

Speaker 18 from the show. That's how you spoke.

Speaker 20 Hey, Chad, what you wearing right now, bro? About like 187?

Speaker 20 Five, 205. Look,

Speaker 18 that ain't no 205.

Speaker 18 TJ, that ain't no 205,

Speaker 20 boy.

Speaker 18 It's a five on there. It's an 85 or 95, but it damn sure ain't no two in front of me.

Speaker 20 I'm 205 right now, for real. Because TJ, I'm getting, I'm preparing to fight Debo in February.

Speaker 20 I wish you the best, man. Come on.

Speaker 20 No, you better. Hey, hey, hey, don't wish me the best.
You better wish him the best because I'm finna beat him the fuck up. All right.

Speaker 18 Hey,

Speaker 18 no wrestling.

Speaker 18 Make sure you did. That way he knows.

Speaker 18 No wrestling. No wrestling.

Speaker 18 No, MMA, everything goes.

Speaker 20 Everything goes, TJ.

Speaker 20 Hey,

Speaker 20 did you just see what happened to Drinkers Duplessis when he fought Shamaev last week?

Speaker 20 I ain't got nothing to do with that.

Speaker 20 I ain't got nothing to do with that. I'm training with Khabib.

Speaker 18 All right.

Speaker 18 Well, you need to go to Dak. You need to go to Dak and South Air.

Speaker 20 No, Khabib down here in Miami. Me and him been training.

Speaker 18 All right.

Speaker 20 I'm with you.

Speaker 20 I'm with you.

Speaker 18 I'm with you.

Speaker 20 Yeah, see,

Speaker 18 now I don't know. Y'all want to be with me.

Speaker 20 Make sure you're preparing. I'm with you, dog.
Me and Khabib, we've been training the past month. All right.

Speaker 18 All right.

Speaker 18 Hey, TJ, man. Thank you for sharing, man.

Speaker 20 Take care, fellas.

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Speaker 18 You too.

Speaker 18 Ocho, you ain't gonna believe this. Kansas State quarterback Avery Johnson's father was in a fist fight with his other son in the parking lot after today's loss in Dublin, Ireland.

Speaker 18 Ocho, take a look at this.

Speaker 20 Who was fighting?

Speaker 18 The quarterback's dad and his brother.

Speaker 18 So the quarterback for K-State, that's his dad and his brother. So that's his son that's fighting the dad.

Speaker 20 Well, what in the world is going on? What they

Speaker 20 look

Speaker 20 like,

Speaker 20 alcohol in the system?

Speaker 20 Hey, I would love the backstory on this, too. I would love it.

Speaker 18 Ain't no backstory.

Speaker 20 Who won the game?

Speaker 18 K-State laws.

Speaker 20 Okay.

Speaker 18 Look,

Speaker 18 to be in a situation

Speaker 18 that you fight your dad, you got no respect for your dad.

Speaker 18 I can see

Speaker 18 if it's a family situation where the mom is involved and he's shoving. I get all that, old Joe.
But in a situation like this at a ball game and it's out in public.

Speaker 20 And, you know, you got to think about other dynamics too and other elements that can cause stuff like this. Drinking, alcohol, being in the game, having fun.
Again, emotions are high. You lose a game.

Speaker 20 Some things might be said and exchange and stuff like that happens. Now, when we talk about family incidents and we talk about fights,

Speaker 20 stuff like this, you know, stuff like this happens,

Speaker 20 especially in

Speaker 20 in our culture in general, you know?

Speaker 18 And that's what's so sad about it.

Speaker 20 To see it happen and be and display it in public like that is, it's very, it's very unfortunate. Very, very, very unfortunate.

Speaker 18 Oh,

Speaker 18 let me tell you something. Let me tell you how alcohol work.

Speaker 18 You won't do anything intoxicated you hadn't at least thought about sober

Speaker 18 because your mind won't allow you to go there. You see, people, A,

Speaker 18 they stole an 18-wheeler or they stole a bulldozer or they did something reckless, but you thought about that while you were sober

Speaker 18 alcohol broke down the inhibitions and gave you the gave you the courage that's what they call it liquid courage to go do what you did

Speaker 18 i don't care how drunk i got i ain't finna fight my brother i ain't finna fight my parents and it's so funny you see videos like this all the time uncle and

Speaker 20 families fighting each other whether it be sisters whether it be hell unc and i don't i don't mean to bring up stories i don't i don't mean to to bring up stories but i obviously know the story of my mom you know miss miss hurricane paula and i remember getting a phone call from my little brother one time man you need to come home man what you mean come home i can't come home boy it's football season i'm i'm you you know i'm i'm locked in well mommy done jumped on grandmama

Speaker 20 they they out there in the grad they out there in the grass and they tough

Speaker 20 I'm like, man, boy, go out there and stop it. What is you calling me for? I'm all the way in Cincinnati.
There's nothing I can do.

Speaker 20 I'll make a a phone call once I get, once I get out of, you know, I'm like, come on, Chauncey.

Speaker 20 So, I mean, that's why I kind of understand it.

Speaker 20 I get it because I've been in the situation before,

Speaker 20 wasn't present for it. But after hearing my grandma's side of the story, hearing my mama's side of the story, I'm like, come on, y'all.
Now you need to stop drinking.

Speaker 20 Grandma, you need to stop talking to her like that.

Speaker 20 But it happens.

Speaker 18 It happens. You know, they're talking about, man, you won't have good luck hitting no old people.
You're right.

Speaker 18 You won't have good luck if I'm no old person. You won't have no good.
You're absolutely right.

Speaker 18 You're absolutely right.

Speaker 20 Putting them hands on them all.

Speaker 20 Damn, that's sad.

Speaker 18 I have a relationship with my kids that I've explained to them. Our dynamic won't ever change.
No matter how wealthy you become, no matter how poor I become, I'm your father.

Speaker 18 You'll always be my child.

Speaker 18 So we're going to keep this dynamic the way it is.

Speaker 18 I might be in a situation where I can't do for myself, and you'll have now all of a sudden, you'll have to be the parent in the room, but I'm still the parent.

Speaker 18 I've explained that to my kids. My kids understand that.

Speaker 18 And when things got to a point where, you know, hey, let's just, hey, let's just take some time.

Speaker 18 Hey,

Speaker 18 we'll reconvene in a couple of days. We'll reconvene in a week.

Speaker 18 I don't need you to say something you regret. I don't want to say something I regret.
Ain't nobody going to put their hands on nobody because everybody grown here.

Speaker 18 Even when my kids weren't going, they got to a certain age. I was like, look, y'all know right from wrong.
I'm not finna discipline you like by putting by, you know,

Speaker 18 putting my hands on you, banking you, and doing all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 18 Physically, I ain't punch them up here to slap them or anything like that. But I say, you're to the age now, I feel I can talk to you.
You understand?

Speaker 18 Tim Fitzgerald,

Speaker 18 Go Powercast has confirmed there was a post-game confrontation at a Vivia Stadium involving Mark Johnson, father of Kansas State quarterback Avery Johnson, and another man believed to be Mr.

Speaker 18 Johnson's eldest son. According to witnesses, the conflict turned physical, according to one source.
No arrests were made stemming from the incident.

Speaker 18 There's reportedly a video of the disagreement, and at least one eyewitness is tied to Kansas State Athletics. Kansas State lost to Iowa State 24-21 in the

Speaker 18 college football classic. Avery Johnson completed 21 of 30 passes, 273, two touchdowns.
He also ran for a touchdown.

Speaker 20 Well, that was a good game.

Speaker 20 Did you get a chance?

Speaker 18 Yeah, he had a good game.

Speaker 20 That was a good game.

Speaker 18 Yeah, it was.

Speaker 18 But the thing is, Ocho, if you can't handle your alcohol, don't drink.

Speaker 18 This is an awful look.

Speaker 18 The starting quarterback of

Speaker 18 a D1 school, his dad and his brother are rolling or fighting. It's raining.
They're in.

Speaker 20 Hold on, hold on, hold on.

Speaker 20 I hate people that

Speaker 20 act slow. Stop with the BS like this is normal in our community.

Speaker 20 So now we sit there acting like this don't happen.

Speaker 20 I'll tell you about it.

Speaker 18 No, no, we're not saying that it doesn't happen, but you have to also understand just because it happens doesn't make it right.

Speaker 20 No, I just someone's saying stop acting like it's not normal. I mean, look, what, what rock?

Speaker 18 It ain't.

Speaker 20 What rock are we living under?

Speaker 20 When we see it every single day.

Speaker 20 Every single day we see families, families.

Speaker 20 It's us.

Speaker 20 All the time. How many more examples we need? Tell it like it's not normal.
normal. It is normal.
I've been seeing it all my life.

Speaker 20 I hate when people say dumb shit.

Speaker 20 Not you. I'm not talking about you.
I'm just talking about in the chat. Like, what are you talking about?

Speaker 20 God damn.

Speaker 18 It just

Speaker 18 tough to see. Because

Speaker 18 we got enough.

Speaker 18 Without us fighting ourselves, we got enough to fight.

Speaker 20 A big battle, a bigger battle.

Speaker 18 Outside of the battle.

Speaker 18 We got enough issues that don't involve us.

Speaker 18 I've been stopped arguing with people of my complexion.

Speaker 18 And they act like they live under a rock, man.

Speaker 18 I'll let y'all have it.

Speaker 18 This is how y'all feel. Y'all say, okay, cool.
I'm good.

Speaker 18 I move on.

Speaker 18 I think I just have more pressing things going on than to argue with someone that looks like me. That

Speaker 18 even though they come from a familiar background like mine, it's not even worth it anymore. Oh, Joe.

Speaker 20 No, I'm just saying, in general, I'm just saying.

Speaker 18 I know what you're saying. I know exactly.

Speaker 20 I'm not saying it's right,

Speaker 20 but to sit here and act like it doesn't happen, it's not prevalent in our culture and try to sit here and act like you're part of the goddamn royal family, like that's not true.

Speaker 18 Like, what do you talk about?

Speaker 20 What do we talk about?

Speaker 20 Like, come on, man.

Speaker 18 Time for our final segment of the evening. It's time for Q and A.

Speaker 20 I need a drink.

Speaker 18 Him at the underscore Jordan. So, what's the difference between Sanders and

Speaker 18 Shuck's performance? Y'all dog my boy, but he's been playing pretty good.

Speaker 18 The difference is that Shuck is getting first-team, second-team reps. He's being put in a situation where he can succeed.
The other guy isn't.

Speaker 18 When he had as an opportunity to go in as a starter and they ran competent plays, he played well. When he didn't play well, Ocho and I came out here and say Shadur did not play well tonight.

Speaker 18 He has to do a better job of when the player is not there, don't exacerbate it and make it worse by taking a sack. But I see what you're trying to do.

Speaker 18 Oh, no, when Shook didn't play well, we said he didn't play well. When Shadur didn't play well, we said he didn't play well.
The only difference is, Shuck is getting first and second team reps.

Speaker 18 Nate Godwin, they took him out because they were trying to win the game, which they did. Shadour was taking 40-yard sack, 14.
So you won the game where the guy that's not going to be on your roster.

Speaker 18 So let me ask you a question. So if something happens to the first two guys, let's just say for the sake of argument, they go with four quarterbacks.

Speaker 18 The first three get hurt. So

Speaker 18 are you going to sign a Snoop Huntley off the street and bring him in?

Speaker 18 Or are you going to go with Shadur? I'm just asking you, Nathan, let me know what you're thinking.

Speaker 20 Hey, you know what?

Speaker 18 Normally, I think the guy

Speaker 18 thought the objective was, okay, let's get the guy that's going to be on this team. Let's get them ready to play.
Let's put them in a situation that they could potentially face.

Speaker 18 So what's the likelihood? Now, if the fourth quarterback is going to be Snoop Huntley, by all means, he should have gotten that final drive. But if it's not,

Speaker 18 he should not have been in there.

Speaker 20 Hey, it's going to, listen, we're doing all that. We're doing all this discourse.
Who's starting for the Cleveland Browns, who's the quarterback, who's number two, who's number three.

Speaker 20 Boy, when football seasons start,

Speaker 20 you're not listening to me. When football seasons start and all these teams have gotten completely better,

Speaker 20 And they got to compete in that goddamn AFC North against them Ravens.

Speaker 20 Matter of fact, you know what? I'm ain't going to say nothing. You'll see week one.

Speaker 20 You'll see week one.

Speaker 18 Every week they send Shador into a gunfight with a Super Soaker. Yes, Shador has to stop drifting in the pocket and start playing, stop playing Hero Ball, but

Speaker 18 it's getting out of hand with the Browns. Yes, he drifts.

Speaker 18 There are situations where he should have stepped up and he went lateral. He doesn't have the foot speed to outrun people laterally.
Just doesn't. He's got to do a better job

Speaker 18 and understand

Speaker 18 every play isn't meant for you to be successful. Sometimes success is the formojo of an incompletion, throwing it out of bounds.
Sometimes success is chaking the ball down.

Speaker 18 Sometimes success is knowing when the journey is over.

Speaker 18 He has to do a better job of understanding that. He wants to make every play, and there's not been a quarterback in the history of the game, nor will there ever be, to make every play.

Speaker 18 Jason

Speaker 18 Zeldorf, Sanders showed what he is today, a bum, a diva, haha.

Speaker 18 The Sanders fanboy is going to cry in their basement or in their mama's arms while Jackson Dart is lighting it up and showing he's the real deal. Again,

Speaker 18 he's in there with starters. He's in there throwing to guys that are going to be on the roster.

Speaker 18 I mean, I'm trying to figure out what you guys are doing.

Speaker 20 They are doing that on purpose. They are purposely doing that.

Speaker 18 I'm a firm believer. I give credit when it's due.
I've been hired. Hey, I said the first game he played.
I said, oh, Joe, you played well. He came out, played well.

Speaker 18 He said, oh Joe, he looked really good. And I was like, hey,

Speaker 18 he's going to challenge me.

Speaker 18 He's going to play sooner than later.

Speaker 18 I've given credit. I don't know.

Speaker 18 But I look, I appreciate you watching the show and dropping a thing in the chat. But if you watched us, well, you know what? Just because you're in the chat, that'll mean you're talking to Ocho and I.

Speaker 18 Because I think we've been very complimentary of

Speaker 18 Jackson Dart.

Speaker 18 So,

Speaker 18 Rev Debo, let Shador either get cut or traded. I would love for him to the team to be the Chief, let Andy have him, and then flip him for picks down the road.

Speaker 18 That would be be great. Let him, you know,

Speaker 18 a veteran quarterback. He doesn't have to play.
He just get better. Get those scout team reps, Ocho.

Speaker 18 We know what Andy can do with a quarterback.

Speaker 18 That goes without saying.

Speaker 18 Wes, the Browns fan. Browns fan here.
I'm sorry, but what normally happens when you're a third string quarterback, you don't play with starters. Absolutely, you do.

Speaker 18 When you play as well as he did in his first start you absolutely get reps in practice with the ones and twos now i'm not telling you i'm not a fan i was a former player and i was a former player that started off at third and fourth teams that played well in a preseason game and got reps with the ones and twos so wes you talking as a fan i'm telling you i ain't telling what somebody told me i'm telling you what i know that is exactly the way it always goes that's the way it's always gone always

Speaker 18 the latter part of your question: his problem is there always been he's holding on to the ball too long. I agree.
He does. He holds on to the ball too long.
He's trying to make every play.

Speaker 18 Sometimes I think he's trying to play hero ball. Get the sometimes hero ball is throwing the ball out of bounds.
Sometimes it's checking it down to the back.

Speaker 18 Sometimes it's getting the ball out of your hand. That's okay.

Speaker 18 Every play is not meant to get 10, 15, 20, 30 yards. And he has to understand that.

Speaker 18 Spiritual war exposed. No, it don't come down with Sanders' name.
It comes down to being black in America.

Speaker 18 That kid just wants to play ball, and white media comes with circus and blames Sanders for it.

Speaker 18 Look.

Speaker 18 I just look.

Speaker 18 It might not be in Cleveland. His opportunity to play in the National Football League might not be in the Cleveland, Moncho.
It just might not be.

Speaker 20 Might not be.

Speaker 18 Jimmy Cleveland said it's sad, but y'all, they're keeping Shadua four for merchandise and seating using him. Gabriel has no merchandise on the website.

Speaker 18 My question is, why were teammates so distant and some even laughing, including Dylan, who last game he sat aloof

Speaker 18 after his poor performance? It says, I felt tension all around

Speaker 18 him today. It was obvious.

Speaker 18 Look,

Speaker 18 I don't look

Speaker 18 in the preseason being a vet, I mean, after my second, after my second year, the second year, I still felt like a rookie because now I'm a bona fide tight end.

Speaker 18 I know what, so after my second year, so going into my third year, I kind of felt like a vet. And, you know, hey,

Speaker 18 I conducted myself like that, you know, obviously.

Speaker 18 Dan wasn't big on that, we losing and all that kiki keying.

Speaker 18 So, you know, if you were laughing, you know, you,

Speaker 18 the way these guys be kiki keying on the sidebar,

Speaker 18 yeah,

Speaker 18 even in the preseason, Dan didn't play that. Mike Shannon didn't play that best like that, man.

Speaker 18 So

Speaker 18 they'll get it figured out. At least I hope they do.
Jordan Hafford, let me get let me get Ocho going, man. I'm 31 years old construction worker and can throw the ball better than Shador.

Speaker 18 Stop the hype.

Speaker 18 All right, you got it. You got it.

Speaker 20 You got it.

Speaker 18 If Shadur gets released and the Saints or the Steelers don't pick him up, do you think he gets another shot in the league? Yes. Absolutely.

Speaker 18 Shadur had the same problem in college. Held on to the ball way too long, refused to throw it away, led the NCA and sacks.

Speaker 18 Taking last two years he played. He could get away with it in college, not in the NFL.
You're correct. He does hold on to the ball far too long.
Mr.

Speaker 18 Jet Life, how can fans sit there and judge a quarterback play without intimately watching offensive line play? It's ridiculous. Five is not out there with practice squad linemen, but 12 is.

Speaker 18 Jalen Lister, what do the Browns do when Deshaun Watson gets back?

Speaker 18 How much more money does he have guaranteed left on that contract? Is it up after this year?

Speaker 18 I don't think Deshaun Watson is coming back this year. So if you mean 26,

Speaker 18 that's going to be open for debate.

Speaker 18 He

Speaker 18 is owed 92 million for phone call 26.

Speaker 18 So he has so whatever he has left is on 26. He didn't have no money left at the 26.

Speaker 18 Wow.

Speaker 18 Kingman said, Shay, stop saying these MMA guys will beat a boxer in a street fight. These leg-hugging guys will quickly get put to sleep by a boxer.
Sweet science.

Speaker 20 Oh, that's, hey, that's, I don't know.

Speaker 18 Matter of fact, in a street fight?

Speaker 20 Street fight?

Speaker 18 Where anything goes?

Speaker 18 I'm taking my chance with MMA guys. I'm going to go ahead and get a good too.

Speaker 20 Because the first thing he's going to do is they're going to go low.

Speaker 18 Going low. Yeah.
They're going low right away.

Speaker 20 And obviously, boxers, they aren't ready for that.

Speaker 18 Man, John Jones is going to kick somebody dead in their face. Right upside the head.
Then what?

Speaker 18 Tone Z said, Uncle Nocho, give me three things you would do if the Saints gym trade AK and Drake London to get picks. I think they should just blow the whole thing up and start over.

Speaker 20 Hold on, AK and Drake London. Drake London,

Speaker 18 Drake London is in Atlanta, right? Yeah.

Speaker 18 He's talking about AK as Alban Camaro.

Speaker 20 No,

Speaker 20 that don't make no sense. They got B.
John Robinson. There would be no need for that switch to even happen.
They need a goddamn quarterback in New Orleans.

Speaker 18 Yeah.

Speaker 18 Yeah, I don't know what that was about.

Speaker 18 Jacob Comota, ultra trivia question. Which rapper said in the game, I'm no cheater, I'm a tiger, I'm a cougar, I'm a panther, I'm a binger, Ocho Cinco.
His song came out 9007.

Speaker 20 That was Lil Wayne. I remember that.

Speaker 18 I take your word for it, but I don't know.

Speaker 18 Jay Money said, we love to show happy birthday to my woman, Ree. Re, happy birthday.
Jay Money wanted to say, tell you, happy birthday. Hopefully, he did something very, very pleasant for you.

Speaker 18 And he did not take you to one of those 28 spots. Well, you is a woman, so clearly, y'all done got that out of the way.
So,

Speaker 18 only one of me three said, Uncle Nocho, can y'all give my newborn son a welcome to the world? Makai Josiah Pierce, born August 20th.

Speaker 18 Yes, we can. Makai Josiah,

Speaker 18 welcome to the world.

Speaker 20 i can baby sit too let me know

Speaker 18 man

Speaker 18 with your impatient ass you call you call uh uh uh what you call

Speaker 18 i'm impatient when it comes to kids i got 211 kids i'm very patient that's okay and you call grandpa to come get uh sweet uh what's the baby

Speaker 18 exactly see

Speaker 18 Fridge fry, French fry doing her thing, French fry like peace.

Speaker 18 It's truly godly.

Speaker 18 Do you see him going to CFL for trials next year to make a full return if he gets cuts since the NFL isn't going to

Speaker 18 let him back easily?

Speaker 18 No, I think he's going to get a chance. I do.

Speaker 18 Maybe not with the Browns, but I think he's going to get a chance. Dankey65, Free Shadura, he's our son, not watching Browns anymore.
Damn.

Speaker 18 Boosie said, I paid for Super Chat just for Ocho not to give me a serious answer last night. I wanted to know how does a guy run a 4-240 and up with a 91 speed?

Speaker 18 Ocho, the guy runs, so at 4-2, he should be at least 98.

Speaker 20 He's a 4-2, right?

Speaker 20 He's a 91 right now, so I want to see 4-2 week one, week two, week three, week four, week five, and so on. And then I'll raise his rating.

Speaker 18 He's saying at 4-2, considering there are not very many 4-2s.

Speaker 20 No, I don't want to hear that. It's a few 4-2s in the NFA.
I want to see 4-2 when it actually counts, not running in a straight line. The game of football is not playing a straight line.

Speaker 20 So show me 4-2 on the field. Like Tyreek, when Tyreek plays, he shows us 4-2 all the time.
He's been doing it

Speaker 20 over, what, damn near a decade now. So Matthew Golden,

Speaker 20 young bull,

Speaker 20 show me 4-2 every week, and you'll be where you need to be. Simple.

Speaker 18 All right.

Speaker 18 Oh, Joe wouldn't believe what happened to me today i had to call in the work because i dreamed the bingos won their first five games

Speaker 20 hey that's probably what's gonna happen that's probably what's gonna happen we might win the first 10 actually we might win the first 10.

Speaker 20 joe burrow decided to play in the preseason jamar chase t higgins and everyone else on that offense

Speaker 20 no the coach decided to play them in the preseason this was this was their choice this was their choice they said they wanted to play

Speaker 20 huh and that's going to be the difference and why we'll be in san francisco come first week of february

Speaker 18 did they say they didn't want to play last year yeah they didn't want to play last year

Speaker 18 they were last year they were too cool for school

Speaker 20 what about the year before too cool too cool for school

Speaker 20 We started a new trend.

Speaker 18 That concludes this episode. Go ahead.

Speaker 20 We started a new trend.

Speaker 18 That concludes this episode of Nightcap. We want to thank you for joining us again.
I'm your favorite Uncle Shannon Sharp, my partner and co-host.

Speaker 18 Liberty City's own bingo ring of fame honoree, the Pro Bowl of the All-Pro. He's Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson.
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We really appreciate you guys in the chat tonight. I'm Uncle.
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