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Dan Quinn praises Jaden Daniels for changing the culture of Commander's locker room.

I think that smile is a wolf in sheep's clothing, Quinn said.

He's an absolute dog competitor.

Quinn describes Jane's routine and how his

commitment to putting in the work helped set an example for the rest of the team.

Very much an early morning person.

Would rather grow through everything before everybody even gets here, well before the sun comes up there's been times looking out the weight room who's walking off the field in the dark is him that's a standard that other players have also appreciated from him

yeah coacho

jaden daniels for mvp this season it's possibly possibly because listen i don't see a sophomore slim

in the in the in the in the in the works for him obviously i would like for them to get his number one target terry mclaurren i would love them to get that situation rectified so we can have all weapons and all hands on deck coming week one.

But he definitely, definitely can be the MVP.

And obviously, what we saw last year, it didn't just start now.

This is something he's always been doing.

He was doing it at Arizona State.

He did it at LSU.

And so it just carried over

into Washington.

And they got their quarterback of the future for the next 10, 15 years.

And stuff like that, the little things, the things that Coach Quinn is talking about, the little things is what's going to make a difference, which is why he was able to come into an organization and make an impact and difference right away.

Right away.

Things that don't even have to do with the game of football, the approach, your preparation, your worth ethic.

I know a lot of people say you work hard and and you hope everything comes into fruition.

It's not just about working hard.

It's about knowing what to work on is what makes the difference.

Everybody works hard.

But knowing what you as an individual need to work on to make sure you on point at whatever it is that you do

is how you see change and difference.

You see the difference

between

him

and the guy in Indy?

That's a good one.

You see the difference.

One guy was there early.

He's there late.

One guy was there late, and he left early.

You see the difference.

You see the difference.

Some is

what you do.

They watch what you do, not what you say.

I see better than I hear.

I hear you talking about how much you put, how much time you put in, but I see you the last one drag your ass in here.

I see you the first one leave.

That's how you become great.

That's how you become successful.

I don't see how you couldn't sacrifice in that position anyway to want to be the best at what you do.

The quarterback position?

Unknown with the kind of money they paying,

as difficult as it is to find QB1s on certain teams, and I got the opportunity to be QB1 and you think I ain't finna buy it?

I mean,

that's just me.

I'm not caring about nothing else, no other hobbies, or nothing else I got going on.

I'm QB1 in Indy.

You mean I got the chance year one, year two.

So, year three is my make it or break a year.

If I get all my, if I got all my ducks aligned in a row, if I dot all my I's and I cross all my T's, you mean there's an opportunity for me to get a five-year, $300 million

contract?

What?

And you think I'm not finna be locked in?

First one there, last one out?

Mesh, boy

oh joe they serve you breakfast lunch and dinner you got cold tub you got steam room you got sauna you got red sauna you got everything you could possibly need

they serve you breakfast they cook you want salmon okay you got that you want a steak you got that you want chicken oh are you pescatarian so it's only fish for you what type of fish do you like make sure we have that You like salmon?

You like trout?

Oh, really?

Okay.

We, oh,

I'll talk to the, maybe we can get some grouper.

Maybe we get seabay.

We get a white fish.

You like white fish?

Sure.

You like cod?

You like halibut?

Sure.

So, um,

lamb chops, they prepare,

they cooking sunnyside up over medium,

poached.

You want French toast?

You want pancakes?

Oh, Joe, all of that is there at your disposal.

Now, Ocho, man, hey, let me get in this cold tub, this cold plunge.

Man, man, I'm going to get in the sauna.

Man, let me get in.

Hey, let me get in the steam room.

Let me get in the red sauce.

Let me get on the red sauce.

Let me get on the laser tape.

There is no reason.

There is absolutely no reason

for a player, they have everything,

everything you can possibly want.

And this is an opportunity for,

guys, I just don't get it.

I don't get it.

I don't.

And it's not always,

but you can tell

that Jaden Daniels, the little bit that I was around him, Ocho, remember before the draft, we had him on.

He came on the way he carried himself.

We had him on last year at the Super Bowl.

He had him on.

Yeah, he's going to be something.

You're going to be something.

Because

I've been around enough quarterbacks and to see how they handle their business.

The ones that are really good.

I played when one went to the Hall of Fame.

I got an opportunity to see Peyton.

I wasn't there day to day, but

talk to people around him and how he goes about.

Peyton ran the practices.

You can't run the practice if you don't know what the hell you doing.

Brady, I heard Brady talk.

He ran the practice.

This is where I want you.

This is what it needs to look like.

I don't get these guys.

But like I said,

sometimes, sometimes, Ocho, the hardest thing for us to see

is our own flaws.

I raised my hand.

Shoot, I raised mine too.

Matter of fact, everybody in the chat should probably raise theirs as well because we all have them.

We all have them, huh?

You're so close to the situation, you don't see.

See,

the blindest person isn't the man that can't see, it's the one that chooses not to see.

Is when you, when someone tells you something,

or there's a reoccurring pattern of the same thing,

of the same thing.

he i mean bro as the quarterback

ocho even if you even if you even if you don't even turn even if you just in the film room by yourself just be the last one

fool them you cannot as the quarterback be the first one to leave you can't

I remember before they got these iPads and all the stuff you could watch it on.

Man, I used to see seven watch him tape, and then he would take, he got those uh you know our laundry bags ojo the uh the little best bags he got 10 15 20 tapes in there he's going home because he got one of those big machines and he's gonna watch them

and the funny thing too about it about it too huh you can't you can't fool yourself pretending like you're watching because what's gonna happen based on what you see

you're gonna rick a little you'll get your ass in the game you go you're gonna expose yourself

you're gonna expose yourself

because john would come back and say hey and he was like hey uh t did you see such and such did you watch this i said yeah he said did you see what they how they put it i said yeah they played like a uh uh uh what we call a bare stretch they stretched it which was a bare front the center guard and both guards are covered but they had a guy head up and they had a guy outside he says oh okay i just wanted to make i just wanted to make sure yeah oh yeah because they because he's gonna quiz me

Because you know, hey, I think I know a I know what everybody's supposed to do.

At least I'm telling everybody I know what everybody's supposed to do.

I know what Rod does.

I know what Ed does.

I know what I got.

I know what the back's supposed to do.

So he's like, okay, you say you do it, but did you see?

A, did you see what Green May run?

I said, yeah, excuse me, Pittsburgh.

I said, yeah, they ran cover six, but they do it differently.

They kicking it.

So they playing quarters on one side, but they playing cover two on the back side.

But the guy in the press, he kicking it.

So that's what we call six kick.

Because you can play cover two, the guy play off, funnel you in, funnel you down inside, but no, he in a press position and then he dropping but they still playing quarters on the back side and and uh half uh uh half on the front so it's things like that guys don't miss this opportunity man y'all got so y'all got it's so much that you can do you can be great if you want to obviously oh cho you you get to this level and that's why i tell them everybody got talent everybody you not unique now hey bro

You're not unique.

Maybe you could do some things, but everybody got a certain level of talent.

You don't get here without no talent.

Now, I'm not saying everybody is as talented as Lamar Jackson or has an arm that can throw the ball like Josh Allen.

Those are different things.

But if you don't think everybody at this level has a certain level of talent, you're fooling yourself.

Just to get in the door, you got to have the talent now.

Got to have the talent.

How much work you're willing to put in to be even better.

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Hey, we got a special guest joining us.

What's up, baby?

What are you doing, what?

Man, what's going on, man?

I just

going out to eat with the family.

I'm like, oh, my boy, Will, Me on.

Pull up.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I told him, I told him,

I'm so glad you're on because

you're much better

at being

a little bit more in-depth and explaining things.

Because I kind of get frustrated because people still,

I try to tell them, I talked to you earlier, and i knew i wasn't tripping you saw the same thing i saw but maybe if they hear from you because they sick of hearing my mouth and give them a better explanation on 12 situation maybe they'll understand

man i yeah just give us your thoughts on shadur should

the game today uh tj why why do you think the browns played it the way they did and and and shouldor and shadour's uh performance today from a from my assessment y'all they don't want a controversy.

That's how I look.

They don't want to come, because

we know what Flacco can do.

Why does Flacco starting the game?

We know what he can do.

He led y'all to the playoffs the last time y'all let him play.

So if you're trying to figure out who you're going to play in case Flacco gets hurt, Dylan Gabriel or Shador.

You let them split the game.

Snoop is, Snoop Huntley.

Tyler Huntley's getting cut tomorrow.

You let them battle it out.

And so to me, it was like wow you you put him in with guys that's gonna be on the street tomorrow they all getting cut shanning everybody shoulder play with they getting cut tomorrow on monday we know that and so you didn't give this man a fighting chance to compete he went into a gunfight with two knives he gonna lose that every time

I was surprised, TJ, what I was most surprised about is that this is your opportunity to see him in a two-minute situation.

Why are you giving a guy a two-minute situation when that guy is going to be on the street in the next couple of days?

So what do you get?

And people already know what Huntley can do.

He's been a starter in this league.

He backed up Lamar Jackson for two to three years.

He even started a postseason game.

So I don't think anybody's going to look at that two-minute situation and say, you know what?

Snoop Hutley is our backup.

We saw him last year and he goes down to Miami.

We saw him last year and we've seen him in situations.

That's what was confusing to me, TJ.

You know why they did that, Shannon?

If Shaddur take them down there, drive down the length of the field, they win that game.

The fans are going to be saying, Shadir our quarterback.

Shadir should be our starter.

Shadir should be the guy that starts game one, week one.

Look what he did.

They didn't want that to happen.

And I don't know what's going on with Kevin Stefanski.

It's almost as if,

and I don't even want to say this, but I'm going to say it anyway.

It's like he don't want Shadir to do well.

Like when he played well the first game, he was so off-putting.

Like, oh, yeah, well, you know, we'll see what happens next.

Like,

he should, oh, he played great, man.

He, he exceeded our expectations.

I'm proud.

He didn't say none of that.

And so, to me,

it's as if they want him to fail so they can justify doing what they want to do.

But, man, listen, the way when they, when Dylan Gabriel, and I know Dylan Gabriel and I like Dylan Gabriel, I know him personally, very good dude.

When he made the entertainers and competitors comment,

man, Shannon, if that was me,

I would have walked up on Dylan Gabriel myself and be like, hey, bro, what did you mean?

Shadure handled that about as good as anybody can handle it when he was asked that.

He didn't handle himself the right way the entire time he been there.

Ocho said it wasn't nothing.

Ocho said we made a big deal about nothing with that, TJ.

Nah, nah.

He said he wasn't talking about Ocho told me he was not talking about Shadur.

So when you first hear it, 100% you talking about me if I'm Shaddur.

When I first heard it, I'm like, oh, he's talking about Shadur.

If you sit back and reflect on it, I believe he's talking about

y'all two and the people on TV, the guys that are entertaining everybody else.

But initially, when I first heard it,

I said, oh my God, why would he say that?

But then when you sit down and think about it, I do believe he wasn't talking about Shaddur.

But in that initial reaction, oh, I'm gonna compress you just to make sure.

Let me ask you this, TJ.

Why was he talking about Ocho and I?

We not competing.

Entering.

He's competing, but the entertainers, the guys with great podcasts, like what y'all doing, the guys on TV, they entertaining y'all.

So don't let them have us go against each other.

We're going to compete, but the entertainers, that's how I took it once I sat back and reflected and thought about it.

I think you gave him too much credit for that.

I don't think he thought that far in depth.

And it could be, though, Shannon, that I know Dylan Gabriel.

I've been knowing him for a few years now, and I like him.

And that could be why.

Right.

Yeah.

It seems to me, you know, sometimes, like, when you didn't like somebody, a hoosh, and somebody mentioned their name, and you get quiet, and you're like.

It seems like every time they mention Shadur's name, like the fans get a part of him inside, like, damn, I got to talk about this dude.

He fourth string.

Why are we talking about a dude that's fourth string?

Because he played well.

And let's just be honest, man.

We all know who his pops is.

And so

he came into the league like, whoa, did they really just do Shadur the way they did him during the draft?

So automatically, all odds was going to, they were going to be on him because of the way he came into the league.

He played so well.

And then to be drafted in the fifth round, everybody was taken aback by that.

Then he gets in the game.

When he played the way he played, some of them throws he was making, man, those aren't easy throws.

It ain't like it's coming three.

He threw guys over.

He was throwing BBs.

And so, yep, I don't know why

they won't give this man a fair shot.

At least it just seems that way.

Joe Flacco may lead him to the playoffs, but he's not your quarterback of the future.

I'm going with one of these young guys so that I can see: are they the future or I got to draft somebody else?

Yes.

Yeah,

I totally agree with you.

Look, in year 18, based on Joe Flacco's resume and his history, he's going to win you four or five games.

But that's run.

But here's the thing.

Joe Flacco win you games when there's no expectations.

You see, the number one thing that a killer player is expectations.

When the backup come in and he gets to play free and loose, put expectations on him and see what happens.

Now, we expect you to lead us to the division.

We expect you to win this game for us and see how this happens.

You got these unkisms, man.

You be having these Shannonisms, man.

Hey,

you're right.

Because now we expect you to win this playoff game.

You fall flat.

We expect you to beat the Ravens or the Steelers or the Bengals.

You fall flat.

And

he's not your future.

That to me is the biggest thing.

The Cleveland Browns are a quarterback away from being competitive with anybody because of that defense and the skill guys that they have.

And so to me, it's a no-brainer.

I don't know why or what Shadir has done

because

Prime played a long time.

Peon son.

Prom played a long time.

They love prom just because

their daddy.

was a confident individual.

His kids are going to be the same way.

We are a product of who we are always around.

And that's just

what they are.

Man, listen, if you ask my son, is the next boy better than him?

And he says, Yeah,

we got a problem.

He knows better.

And so

I just want to see the young man be given a fair shot.

And from the outside, looking in, it doesn't look like that's the case.

Yeah.

Well,

you, I remember when Prime said, do not let my confidence offend your your insecurities.

Don't let my, don't let that go over y'all head now.

Don't let my confidence offend your insecurities.

Man, I really feel.

Who I am and what I think of myself, that shouldn't have anything to do with you.

Because see, now you're allowing my confidence and my ability.

Now you don't feel so secure in yourself and your abilities.

So now I'm offensive.

How dare you talk like that?

So where's the lie in what I said?

And this is the thing, though.

Shannon, you one of the best to ever do it.

And Chad should be right there with you in the Hall of Fame.

That's another discussion.

Every professional athlete,

man, you, we all had the utmost confidence.

Like,

I still feel like right now I can go play in my head.

Like, in my head, I feel like I can go get it done.

Like, I believe in myself to the fullest, as you, as you do, Chad does as well.

We all, every professional athlete has unwavering belief in yourself.

That's how you make it.

That's how you make it.

And so to me, that's what you want.

And the way, man, the way this dude has handled himself, man, has been.

He is.

He's

unbelievable, man.

He's still unbelievable.

Like, you could tell he's been raised, right?

Like, so many guys, the questions they asking him and the way they treating him.

They didn't give him this drive, that drive today.

Man, come on, man.

That dude could have just sumped, sat on the bench.

He didn't do that.

I'm sure he was disappointed.

He handled himself the right way on the sideline.

Me and Chad would have been throwing.

He knows the camera.

He and Chad would have been throwing our helmets or something.

Oh, I heard it up.

But the thing is that he knows who

is that he knows no matter where he is, the cameras are on him.

If he's on the sideline getting Gatorade, the cameras are on him.

If he's standing there listening to the play being called in the headset, the cameras are on him.

When he's on, so whatever emotion he's going through the cameras are going to be on it on him and guess what people are going to try to deduce what is he thinking what's going on in his head you see his body language that's why he was a fifth-round draft pick look at the body language ojo you see what happens blah blah blah bro hey great awareness so i'm supposed to he he has great awareness let's go if you look at what Jackson Dart has done in New York.

What are they saying now in New York?

What are they saying?

Man, when is Jackson Dart gonna be starting?

What week is Jackson Dart going to be the starter?

Hey,

you think they want that in Cleveland?

They should.

They should want it.

But they don't because you look, Jackson Dart has played so well.

It's like Russell Wilson is about to get Matt Flynn the way he did Matt Flynn.

Jackson Dart about to do Russell.

Why ain't they giving Shadir the same opportunity?

You heard that on Joe?

Oh, yeah.

You told him that already.

I did.

I'm telling you.

But you have to understand.

And

this is so funny.

The people that continue to say we're making excuses for Shadur.

And the simple fact that the owner came out and said, this is not the player I wanted.

Shadur is not my pick.

That alone, that tells you all you need to know.

Kevin Stefanski's hands are tied.

He answers to someone else.

He answers to a higher power.

There's a reason why when he's asked about Shador, he has a certain look on his face.

There's no excitement.

He doesn't say the right things that normal coaches say about players when they do well, even though it is just a preseason game.

He's the coach.

He don't have no sale of the final 53.

He got no.

Kevin Stefanski does not have sale of the final 53.

That's Barry, and that's Jimmy Haslam.

He hasn't had enough success.

He hasn't hasn't had enough success.

If he had more success as a coach and with that team, he would have more say-so.

A little input.

A little input.

But he does.

But see what happens when you get a job and you haven't had a whole lot of experience.

You see, now Ben Johnson, he gets to go to Chicago.

He got say over the final 53.

Andy Reid had say over the final 53.

Sean Payton had say over the final 53.

Mike Tomlin has say.

But

when you don't have the kind of credentials and you get a head coaching job, you're happy to just to be a heck.

There are only 32 of these things in the world.

You want a 32.

And if you happen to get one, you're like, okay,

y'all do whatever y'all want to do.

I don't want to do the, I just want to coach the team.

And Kevin Stefanski is just coaching the team.

Because all things being equal, I don't, I...

Me personally, I don't think he would want to carry four quarterbacks.

Because as long as Shadur Sanders is on that team, they're going to be questions.

There's going to be questions as soon as they start losing.

As soon as they start losing, Flacco going to the bench.

And because honestly, I believe they really wanted Kenny Pickett to be the starter.

Kenny Pickett just couldn't stay healthy.

See, Ocho, they want to listen to me.

And you know what?

I ain't going to say, I know that for a fact.

I was told that by somebody that's in that building, that it was Kenny Pickett.

or Dylan Gabriel.

I was told that by somebody that's in that building.

Kenny Pickett or Dylan Gabriel.

I'm just going to dust.

Y'all go ahead and talk over there.

I'm just going to dust.

I'm going to dust.

Yeah.

You talking about competing in that AFC North?

You got to have a quarterback.

Look at the quarterback.

Look at the quarterbacks.

You got, okay, you got two games against Joe Burrow.

You got two games against Lamar Jackson.

And you got two games against Aaron Rodgers.

And now everybody said Aaron has looked well.

We'll see.

He He is 41.

We'll see how his body holds up, especially.

Now, in the warm, when we,

you live in a nice, you live in California, Hoosh.

So it's warm pretty much near-round.

As we start to get old, there's a reason why people go to Florida.

There's a reason why old people go to Arizona.

There's a reason why old people live in Nevada because that warm weather.

Now, you go back and look at Aaron Rodgers in the beginning of the season played well.

And then when it got cold, he didn't play so well.

But in the two games that he had in Miami, the game he had in Jacksonville, what's the weather like in Jacksonville and Miami in December?

Really nice.

Go back and look at the games how he played.

So we'll see when the weather turns cold in Pittsburgh and Baltimore and Cincinnati and Cleveland if he can stay.

But you know, tried and true, Lamar Jackson and Joe Burrow is going to be able to will and deal.

So if you're in that division, you've got to deal with those guys.

And if you can't beat those guys, you can't go.

one in what, one in six, one in, yeah, one in five, and talk about you're going to win that division.

That ain't happening.

No, sir.

When is the last time Cleveland has had a quarterback that you just spoke of?

Like, when is it?

Bernie Cozar?

Oh, David.

Is it that far back?

Yes.

Like, yes.

To me, I want a guy like Shadir.

I'm giving him an opportunity.

If you fall on your face, you fall on your face.

But you getting a chance with me, because if I win with Shader and I'm Kevin Stefanski,

I have a lifetime of security.

I'm retiring when I want to retire

if Shadur turns out to be that guy.

That to me is why I don't understand.

And you made a point.

He must have his hands tied.

Because why wouldn't you want to go with a young guy?

Because if he succeeds, I'm set for life.

I'm a hundred million dollar coach now.

Easily.

Easily.

Look, I would rather win my way.

I would rather lose my way than win someone else's way.

That's another oncism.

There's another onkism right there.

Chunk him up.

TJ, how many times have you seen coaches?

Let me, if I'm a win or lose, I'm going to do it my way.

There's a lot of times, especially in the NBA, when they want to play the young guys, and the coach is like, hell no, I'm trying to win.

And they get him up out of there because somebody's going to come in and play and going to do because we tried to get a draft pick.

We tried to get Zion Williamson or we tried to get Cooper Flag or whomever.

So coaches will say, you know what?

If I'm going to lose, I'm going to lose my way

i ain't winning somebody else's way if you you do that in the nfl they're gonna be working on somebody network television okay they're gonna get them up out of here

hey everybody everybody got all these got these great these great answers well they should do this man look here i'm sitting up here on tv because i retired now why are you here uh if you got all these great you got all these great ideas who

i i'm sitting up here on tv because i retired.

Now, explain to me, did you retire?

Because if it was as easy as what you making it out to be, you should still be somewhere.

And that's why

everybody hopes to get to be in Mike Tomlin position, Andy Reed position, Sean Payton position, Sean McVay, college.

That's every coach's dream.

And the way football is now, you better have a guy under center that can fulfill that dream and make it come true.

it's not the way it used to be a

bring your defense in a running game i don't care how good your defense is you could have you could have the 2000 ravens if your quarterback suck you not winning no championship because because i could guess what see because you know why because he's the only guy that you cannot hide Because guess what?

If I got a guy that struggles to get off press coverage, I can stack the formation.

I can put his ass in motion.

and I can make it difficult for you to press him.

So I can get a free release.

If I got a weak corner, I can give him help over the top.

I'll put him in cover too.

I'll roll protection.

I'll buzz the linebacker.

I can do things to protect him.

I can slide my offensive line one way or another, or I can tell the back to chip his way out.

Now, you tell me, how the hell do you hide your quarterback?

Because I'm going to force his ass to make throws.

We're going to play Pop Warner football.

We're going to press him.

We're going to put eight in the box, safety in the middle of the field.

Beat us.

That's what they're going to do.

I'm going to make you throw it.

Absolutely.

And that's how you get found out.

To me, the way the game is evolved,

you got to have a really good quarterback or a great one, and you got to have some guys on the outside that can get open.

Straight up.

That's what football is today.

That's what it is.

It ain't that hard.

We make it harder than what it is, but it ain't that hard.

It's still played played the same way.

My 11 against your 11.

But I tell you what, your weakest 11 better not be the quarterback.

I don't care about all that other stuff.

Your weakest of your 11 better not be him.

When you start saying the weak links on offense, if your quarterback is within the first five or six you say, you got a problem.

A real one.

He don't have to be best, but he better be one of the top three on that offense, top four four and worse.

And if he's not one of those, you're not going where you want to go.

You can't hide him.

You used to get hide because, look,

we run the ball.

And guess what?

We run the ball 35, 40 times.

We throw it on our terms.

It's second and one.

It's third and one.

We catch you off.

Nah, they won't let you do that now.

Because they've made it so conducive for you to throw it.

The way they protect the quarterback.

And if you think if I'm going to pay a guy $60 million, TJ, so he can turn around and hand this ball off 45 times a game, you better kiss my butt.

You will throw it.

I pay you $60 million, and you better have 35, 40 touchdowns, 4,000, 5,000 yards.

I am not paying you that kind of money to hand the ball off.

Now, you're going to throw that thing.

You're going to run it.

You might have to catch it sometimes, too.

Because the way, in about five years, Jay Daniels is going to get, he getting 80 million million a year

Jay Daniels getting 80 he getting 80 CJ Stroud gonna probably get about 77

yep and that's where the game is going

because you see Josh Allen you see what Josh Allen got

and because the corner they just they just going up and that's where that's what Richardson Richardson was supposed to be and he was supposed to be right there he was supposed to be getting up but see what I told him and people oh man you be hating on the I said guys

he's been labeled a project his entire career

so what a project you don't move in with if i buy a building i say this is a project i think if i fix this thing up i think it can be real i think it can be really good tj you don't move into a project right

you build it up yeah

They brought they got the guy they say this guy is a project and you throw him out there week one what project they didn't even what project

have they ever done that with?

Shannon,

they drafted Anthony Richardson fourth overall.

Correct.

And what did they say when he came out?

He didn't start enough games in college.

He ain't started enough games in the league.

They not giving him a fair chance.

When we in school, the days that I did go, and you had a project due.

They ain't give us a project today and say the project was due tomorrow.

We had about a week or two to complete the project.

It takes time.

You got to do your research.

You got to study.

They didn't give Anthony Richardson that time, but, but, but

he's not absolved of any blame because

you can never,

never

check yourself out of game and say you tired ever.

You can't do that.

And when he did that, He lost some guys in the locker room and he lost some guys upstairs.

You can't do that.

But with that being said,

you can't come into the league needing experience.

And then, when you get to the league, they give up on you before you even get any type of experience.

Yeah,

who

it was him that said the NFL is easier than college.

Do everybody remember him saying that?

He said that, oh, Joe, he said that

he'll take that comment back.

Yeah, I don't think I don't.

I think

he answered too fast he he answered too fast based on what he had seen to date before he did that interview and he might have felt that way but it's a whole different ball game it's a whole different

you tell me as you can see now

you guys i played with i played in an era with great quarterbacks played with a great one you tell me have you ever heard brady

Manning, Elway, Marino, name a great quarterback that says NFL football is

easier than college football.

Just tell me one.

Ain't nothing about NFL easy at any position.

Especially quarterback.

You got to know what the entire offensive line is doing, the running backs doing, the receivers, tight ends.

And then you need to know what the defense is doing.

Worry about the defense.

Yeah.

Ain't nothing about that easy.

Like being a quarterback, you basically going to mad school.

You studying to be an attorney.

You studying to be a neuroscience.

Like you, being a quarterback takes so much time, so much commitment that nothing about it is easy.

But guess what?

He know now.

He know, he know now.

That's why I don't feel bad when they will want to have, hey, man, hey, they want to drink.

Hell, I'd be drinking too.

Because you mentally you mentally exhausted because you're literally thinking.

Me, when we've going up, hey, I'm trying to beat the guy in front of me.

That's what I'm worried about.

Ocho, you trying to beat the guy in front of you.

He got to worry about, man, I sure hope this left tackle did his job.

Man, I wonder if Ocho running the right route.

Damn, who's I wonder if who's got our press in the slot?

Damn, man, did the bat chip his way out?

Did we slide the protection the right way?

Oh, damn, I got to throw the guy open.

That's every single play for 65 points.

He don't.

And you know, people look at it as they just drop back, hike the ball, and just

that's it.

That's how people do it.

That's why they talk so much trash from the outside, looking in, thinking that the job is easy at that level.

And then this is what people don't understand.

Ain't no job in any quarterback calls the playoff to huddle.

Have y'all noticed?

Just watch the games.

They walk up to the line of scrimmage.

They look around.

They're taking their time.

They're processing information.

They don't get into that cadence right away.

They look around.

They thinking, okay, this is what, okay, what are they in?

This is what we have.

They're processing.

And that's every single play.

So they thinking without thinking because you want it to be second nature now i got to just react and that's where all the study during the week comes from but they get fooled you live to play another down that quarterback position man is no joke

nope and the thing is is that because he has to remember down and distance he got to remember area on the field He's got to remember, okay, time on the clock.

I mean, most quarterbacks, they study coordinators because coordinators become become head coaches and they bounce around the league.

So Peyton Manning probably had a book of all Rex Ryan.

Rex Ryan was the D coordinator in Baltimore, but he's the head coach in Buffalo, headed at the Jets.

Tom Brady, same thing.

Drew Breed, same thing.

So

all these coordinators, guess what they turn into be?

Head coaches.

And when they're head coaches, guess what they're going to run?

The defense that they ran with the D coordinator at another stop.

So

it gives me a head start

on what I need to prepare for.

Quarterback is not an easy position.

I understand why they make the big bucks, and I ain't envious of it because I don't know about y'all, but I've taken some shots that I didn't see, and they hurt.

So imagine just standing there, you're about to throw the ball, and the dude put his helmet right in your back.

It's a thankless position, and that's why I believe they get too much credit when things go well, and they take way too much of the blame

when things go bad.

Football is an ultimate team game, 11 on 11.

Ultimate team game.

Because, hey, you could play great and somebody drop a pass and then somebody miss a block.

It really, sometimes it comes down and you're like, one play don't win the game.

Okay, when did that play happen?

Yeah, they quick to say that.

That'll determine.

If I drop a ball and it's at the end of the game, oh, I cost y'all the game.

And

we all know that.

All players.

The leaders on the team are going to say, Oh, that play didn't cost us.

Like, boy, yeah, it did.

Yeah, it did.

I'm mad enough to say, Yeah, it did.

It cost us.

I mean, that happened to me in the playoffs.

I dropped the ball.

You couldn't, Ray Lewis came up to me, man.

That ain't cost us a game.

I said, Ray, yeah, it did.

That cost us the game.

And that's that's just the reality of it.

One play can cost you a game, but a leader is going to say it can't.

Right, because all plays aren't created equal.

All turnovers, a turnover in the first quarter is not the same as a turnover with three minutes left in the ball game.

A big play in the first quarter, it doesn't have the same impact as a big play late in the ball game.

Plays vary.

They have different weight.

And we understand that.

Look, we all go say all the right thing, but under my breath, late, yeah, it did.

It costs.

100%.

But that's a good thing about football because

we always hope

I'll be better next week.

I'll be better next week.

And then when next week don't come, it's like,

oh.

When am I going to get my opportunity to redeem myself?

Because

that's the thing about sports is that you always get an opportunity to update your resume.

And some sports is sooner than other.

Baseball, basketball, they play every die, every other night.

You know, they play three games a week.

In football,

you get once a week to update that resume.

And you don't get to keep it.

Because a lot of times what people try to do, Hoosi, and you know this, Ocho, is that a guy man you bro i know what he did and when he did that i ain't taking nothing what he's already accomplished away those three mvps those super bowl mvps those all pros he still got those on his mantle but i'm talking about yesterday he was some slow

It's really that simple.

I ain't one of those guys that, you know, you get to, it's a legacy and you get to keep, you can play bad.

And even though you got all these accolades, it no hell no that ain't how it works in sports don't carry over like that

hell no not with not with shannon they don't it's about right now it ain't about yesterday tomorrow it's right now what are you doing right now and that and that's the world of sports

that is well tj man we look we're gonna let you get you with your family we're gonna let you go and get some dinner get out to eat hey bad thanks for stopping by come back and join us

you looking kind of swollen your

Your shirt's small.

Oh, you're a little bit more.

That's how you spoke.

Hey, Chad, what you wearing right now, bro?

About like 187?

I'm 205.

Look.

That ain't no 205.

205, bro.

TJ, that ain't no 205.

205, boy.

It's a five on there.

It's an 85 or 95, but it damn sure ain't no two it, bro.

I'm 205 right now, for real.

Because TJ, i'm getting i'm preparing to fight uh debo in february

i wish you the best man come on

no you better hey hey hey don't don't wish me the best you better wish him the best because i'm gonna beat him the up all right hey yeah no wrestling make sure you make make sure you did that way he knows every

wrestling

no mma everything go everything go tj

hey did you did you just did you just see what happened to uh drinkers duplesses with uh when he fought shamaf last week

i ain't got nothing to do with that all right i ain't got nothing to do with that i'm i'm training with khabib

all right i'm training well you need to go well you need to go to that you need to go to daggers i went up there so all right no but no khabib down here in miami me and him been training all right i'm with you okay i'm with you

yeah see yo oh now now i don't know y'all want to be with me i gotta make sure you're preparing i'm with you dog me and khabib we've been training the past month all right

All right.

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Ocho, you ain't gonna believe this.

Kansas State quarterback Avery Johnson's father was in a fist fight with his other son in the parking lot after today's loss in Dublin, Ireland.

Ocho, take a look at this.

Who was fighting?

The quarterback's dad and his brother.

So the quarterback for K-State, that's his dad and his brother.

So, that's his son that's fighting the dad.

Well, what in the world is going on?

What they

look

like

alcohol in the system?

Hey, I would love the backstory on this, too.

I would love to.

Ain't no backstory.

Well, who won the game?

K-State lost.

Okay.

Look, to be in a situation

that you fight your dad, you got no respect for your dad.

I can see

if it's a family situation where the mom is involved and he's shoving.

I get all that, old Joe.

But in a situation like this at a ball game and it's out in public.

And, you know, you got to think about other dynamics too and other elements that can cause stuff like this.

drinking, alcohol, being in the game, having fun.

Again, emotions are high.

You lose the game.

Some things might be said and exchange and stuff like that happens.

Now, when we talk about family incidents and we talk about fights,

stuff like this, you know, stuff like this happens,

especially

in our culture in general.

And that's what's so sad about it.

To see it happen and be and display it in public like that is very, it's very unfortunate.

Very, very, very unfortunate.

Oh, Joe, let me tell you something.

Let me tell you how alcohol work.

You won't do anything intoxicated you hadn't at at least thought about sober

because your mind won't allow you to go there.

You see, people, people, hey, they stole a bullet, they stole an 18-wheeler, or they stole a bulldozer, or they did something reckless, but you thought about that while you were sober.

Alcohol broke down the inhibitions and

gave you the courage.

That's what they call it, liquid courage, to go do what you did.

I don't care how drunk I got.

I ain't finna fight my brother.

I ain't finna fight my parents.

And it's so funny.

You see videos like this all the time, Monk.

Parents fighting each other, whether it be sisters, whether it be.

Hey, and I don't mean to bring up stories.

I don't mean to bring up stories, but I obviously know the story of my mom, you know,

Miss Hurricane Paula.

And I remember getting a phone call from my little brother one time.

Man, you need to come home, man.

What you mean?

Come home.

I can't come home.

Boy, it's football season.

You know, I'm locked in.

Well, mommy done jumped on grandmama.

They out there in the grass.

They out there in the grass and they talk.

I'm like, man, boy, go out there and stop it.

What are you calling me for?

I'm all the way in Cincinnati.

There's nothing I can do.

I'll make a phone call.

Once I get out of here, you know, I'm like, come on, Chauncey.

So, I mean, that's why I kind of understand it.

I get it because I've been in the situation before.

Wasn't present for it, but after hearing my grandma's side of the story, hearing my mama's side of the story, I'm like, come on, y'all.

Now, you, you need to stop drinking.

Grandma, you need to stop talking to her like that.

But it happens.

It happens.

You know, they're talking about, man, you won't have good luck hitting no old people.

You're right.

You won't have good luck if I'm no old person.

You won't have no good luck.

You're absolutely right.

You're absolutely right.

Put them hands on them all.

Damn, that's sad.

I have a relationship with my kids that I've explained to them.

Our dynamic won't ever change.

No matter how wealthy you become, no matter how poor I become, I'm your father.

You'll always be my child.

So we're going to keep this dynamic the way it is.

I might be in a situation where I can't do for myself, and you'll have now all of a sudden you will have to be the parent in the room, but I'm still the parent.

I've explained that to my kids.

My kids understand that.

And when things got to a point where, you know, hey, let's just, hey, let's just take some time.

Hey,

we'll reconvene in a couple of days.

We'll reconvene in a week.

I don't need you to say something you regret.

I don't want to say something I regret.

Ain't nobody going to put their hands on nobody because everybody grown here.

Even when my kids weren't going, they got to a certain age.

I was like, look, y'all know right from wrong.

I'm not going to discipline you like by by by putting by you know

have putting my hands on you banking you and doing all that kind of stuff i ain't physically i ain't punch him up here to slap him or anything like that but i see you to the age now i feel i can talk to you you understand

uh tim fitzgeral uh go at uh go at powercast has confirmed there was a post-game confrontation at a Vivia stadium involving Mark Johnson, father of Kansas State quarterback Avery Johnson, and another man believed to be Mr.

Johnson's eldest son.

According to witnesses, the conflict turned physical, according to one source.

No arrests were made stemming from the incident.

There's reportedly a video of the disagreement, and at least one eyewitness is tied to Kansas State Athletics.

Kansas State lost to Iowa State 24-21 in the

college football classic.

Avery Johnson completed 21 of 30 passes, 273, two touchdowns.

He also ran for a touchdown.

Well, that was a good game.

Did you get a chance?

Yeah, he had a good.

That was a good game.

Yeah, it was.

But the thing is, Ocho, if you can't handle your alcohol, don't drink.

This is this is this is this is awful look.

This is the the starting quarterback of a of a d1 school his dad and his brother are rolling are fighting it's raining they're in

you know hold on hold on

i I hate people that act slow.

Stop with the BS like this is normal in our community.

So now we're sitting here acting like this don't happen.

I'll tell you about it.

I'll tell you.

No, no, we're not saying that it doesn't happen, but you have to also understand just because it happens doesn't make it right.

No, I just someone's saying stop acting like it's not normal.

I mean, look, what rock,

what rock are we living under?

When we see it every single day?

Every single day, we see families, families.

It's uh, it's us

all the time.

How many more examples do we need?

Tell me, like, it's not normal, it is normal.

I've been seeing it all my life.

I hate when people say dumb shit.

Not you.

I'm not talking about you.

I'm just talking about in the chat.

Like, what are you talking about?

God damn.

It

It's just tough to see.

Because

we got enough, without us fighting ourselves, we got enough to fight.

A big battle.

A bigger battle.

Outside of the battle.

We got enough issues that don't involve us.

I've been stopped arguing with people of my complexion.

They act like they live under a rock, man.

I'll let y'all have it.

Y'all, you know, this is how y'all feel.

Y'all say, okay, cool.

I'm good.

I move on.

I think I just have more pressing things going on than to argue with someone that looks like me.

That

even though they didn't come from a familiar background like mine, it's not even worth it anymore.

No, I'm just saying in general.

I'm just saying.

I know what you're saying.

I know exactly.

I'm not saying it's right.

But to sit here and act like it doesn't happen, it's not prevalent in our culture and try to sit here and act like you're part of the goddamn royal family.

Like, that's not true.

Like, what are you talking about?

What are we talking about?

Like, come on, man.

Uh, time for our final segment of the evening.

It's time for Q and A.

I need a drink.

Him with the underscore Jordan.

So, what's the difference between Sanders and Skull,

a Shuck's performance?

Y'all dog my boy, but he's been playing pretty good.

The difference is that Shuck is getting first-team, second-team reps.

He's being put in a situation where he can succeed.

The other guy isn't.

When he had an opportunity to go in as a starter and they ran competent plays, he played well.

When he didn't play well, Ocho and I came out here and said Shadur did not play well tonight.

He has to do a better job of when the player is not there, don't exacerbate it and make it worse by taking a sack.

But I see what you're trying to do.

Oh, no, when Shuck didn't play well, we said he didn't play well.

When Shadur didn't play well, we said he didn't play well.

The only difference is Shuck is getting first and second team reps.

Nate Godwin, they took him out because they were trying to win the game, which they did.

Shadur was taking 40-yard sacks, 14.

So you won the game where the guy that's not going to be on your roster.

So let me ask you a question.

So if something happens to the first two guys, let's just say for the sake of argument, they go with four quarterbacks.

The first three get hurt.

So

are you going to sign Snoop Huntley off the street and bring him in?

Or are you going to go with Shadur?

I'm just asking you, Nate, let me know what you're thinking.

Hey, you know what?

Normally, I think the guy I thought the objective was, okay, let's get the guy that's going to be on this team.

Let's get them ready to play.

Let's put them in a situation that they could potentially face.

So, what's the likelihood?

Now, if the fourth quarterback is going to be Snoop Huntley, by all means, he should have gotten that final drive.

But if it's not,

he should not have been in there.

Hey, it's going, listen.

We're doing all this discourse.

Who's starting for the Cleveland Browns, who's the quarterback, who's number two, who's number three.

Boy,

when football season starts,

huh, you're not listening to me.

When football seasons start and all these teams have gotten completely better

and they got to compete in that goddamn afc north against them ravens

matter of fact you know what i'm gonna say nothing you'll see week one

you'll see you'll see week one

Every week they send Shador into a gunfight with a Super Soaker.

Yes, Shador has to stop drifting in the pocket and start playing, stop playing Hero Ball, but

it's got to get

out of hand with the Browns.

Yes, he drifts.

There are situations where he should have stepped up and he went lateral.

He doesn't have the foot speed to outrun people laterally.

Just doesn't.

He's got to do a better job

and understand

every play isn't meant for you to be successful.

Sometimes success is the formula of an incompletion, throwing it out of bounds.

Sometimes success is shaking the ball down.

Sometimes success is knowing when the journey is over.

He has to do a better job of understanding that.

He wants to make every play, and there's not been a quarterback in the history of the game, nor will there ever be, to make every play.

Jason's Zeldorf, Sanders showed what he is today, a bum, a diva, haha.

The Sanders fanboy is going to cry in their basement or in their mama's arms while Jackson Jackson Dart is lighting it up and showing he's the real deal.

Again,

he's in there with starters.

He's in there throwing to guys that are going to be on the roster.

I mean, I'm trying to figure out what you guys do.

They are doing that on purpose.

They are purposely doing that.

I'm a firm believer.

I give credit when it's due.

I've been hired.

Hey, I said the first game he played.

I said, Ocho, he played well.

He came out, played well against, oh Joe, he looked really good.

And I was like, hey,

he's going to challenge me.

Hey, he's going to play sooner than later.

I've given credit.

I don't know.

But look, I appreciate you watching the show and dropping a thing in the chat.

But if you watched us, well, you know what?

Just because you're in the chat, that'll mean you're talking to Ocho and I.

Because I think we've been very complimentary of

Jackson Dart.

So

Rev Debo, let Shadur either get cut or traded.

I would love for him to the team to be the Chiefs.

Let Andy have him and then flip him for picks down the road.

That would be great.

Let him, you know,

a veteran quarterback.

He doesn't have to play.

He just gets better.

Get those scout team Rev Socho.

We know what Andy can do with a quarterback.

That goes without saying.

Wes, the Browns fan.

Browns fan here.

I'm sorry.

But what normally happens when you're a third string quarterback, you don't play with starters.

Absolutely, you do.

When you play as well as he did in his first start, you absolutely get reps in practice with the ones and twos.

Now, I'm not telling you, I'm not a fan.

I was a former player, and I was a former player that started off at third and fourth teams that played well in a preseason game and got reps with the ones and twos.

So, Wes, you're talking as a fan.

I'm telling you, I ain't telling you what somebody told me.

I'm telling you what I know.

That is exactly what I'm saying.

That's the way it always goes.

That's the way it's always gone.

Always.

The latter part of your question, his problem is it always been he's holding on to the ball too long.

I agree.

He does.

He holds on to the ball too long.

He's trying to make every play.

Sometimes I think he's trying to play hero ball.

Sometimes hero ball is throwing the ball out of bounds.

Sometimes it's checking it down to the back.

Sometimes it's getting the ball out of your hand.

That's okay.

Every player is not meant to get 10, 15, 20, 30 yards.

And he has to understand that.

Spiritual war exposed.

No, it don't come down with Sanders' name.

It comes down to being black in America.

That kid just wants to play ball, and white media comes with circus and blames Sanders for it.

Look.

I just look,

it might not be in Cleveland.

His opportunity to play in the National Football League might not be in the Cleveland, Mocho.

It just might not be.

Might not be.

Jimmy Cleveland said it's sad, but y'all, they're keeping Shadua four for merchandise and seating using him.

Gabriel has no merchandise on the website.

My question is, why were teammates so distant and some even laughing, including Dylan, who last game he sat aloof after poor after his poor performance.

It says, I felt tension all around

him today.

It was obvious.

Look,

I don't look

in the preseason being a vet, I mean,

after my second year, the second year, I still felt like a rookie because now I'm a bona fide tight end.

I know what, so after my second year, So going into my third year, I kind of felt like a vet.

And, you know, hey,

I conducted myself like that.

You know, obviously,

Dan wasn't big on that, we losing and all that kiki keying.

So, you know, if you were laughing, you know, Ocho, you would.

Hey, the way these guys be kiki keying on the sidebag.

Yeah,

even in the preseason, Dan didn't play that.

Mike Shannon didn't play that best like that, man.

So

they'll get it figured out.

At least I hope they do.

Jordan Hafford, let me get Ocho going, man.

I'm 31 years old, construction worker, and can throw the ball better than Shadur.

Stop the hype.

All right, you got it.

You got it.

You got it.

If Shadur gets released and the Saints or the Steelers don't pick him up, do you think he gets another shot in the league?

Yes.

Absolutely.

Uh-huh.

Shador had the same problem in college.

Held on to the ball way too long, refused to throw it away.

Led the NCA in sacks.

Taken last two years.

He played.

He could get away with it in college, not in the NFL.

You're correct.

He does hold on to the ball far too long.

Mr.

Jet Life, how can fans sit there and judge a quarterback play without intimately watching offensive line play?

It's ridiculous.

Five is not out there with practice squad linemen, but 12 is.

Jalen Lister.

What do the Browns do when Deshaun Watson gets back?

How much more money does he have guaranteed left on that contract?

Is it up after this year?

I don't think Deshaun Watson is coming back this year.

So if you mean 26,

that's going to be open for debate.

He

is 092 on the member for involved 26.

So he has, so whatever he has left is on 26.

He has no money left after 26.

Wow.

Kingman said, Shay, stop saying these MMA guys will beat a boxer in a street fight.

These leg-hugging guys will quickly get put to sleep by a boxer.

Sweet science.

I oh, oh, that's hey, that's I don't know.

Matter of fact, in a street fight, street fight where anything goes.

I'm taking my, I'm taking my chance with what I'm taking my chance with

because the first thing he's gonna do is they're gonna go low.

Going low, yeah, they're going low right away.

And obviously, boxes aren't, they aren't ready for that.

Man, John Jones is gonna kick somebody dead in their face,

right upside the head.

Then what?

Tone Z said, Uncle Nocho, give me three things you would do if the Saints Jim trade AK and Drake London to get picks.

I think they should just blow the whole thing up and start over.

Hold on, A.K.

and Drake London.

Drake London, where?

Yeah.

Drake London is in Atlanta, right?

Yeah.

He's talking about A.K.

as Alvin Camaro.

No,

that don't make no sense.

They got B.

John Robinson.

There would be no need for that switch to even happen.

They need a goddamn quarterback.

Yeah.

Yeah, I don't know what that was about.

Jake Motor, ultra trivia question.

Which rapper said in the game, I'm no cheater, I'm a tiger, I'm a cougar, I'm a panther, I'm a binger.

Ocho Cinco.

His song came out in 1907.

Uh,

That was Lil Wayne.

I remember that.

Oh, I take your word for that.

I don't know.

Jay Money said, we love to show happy birthday to my woman, Rhea.

Re, happy birthday.

Jay Money wanted to tell you happy birthday.

Hopefully, he did something very, very pleasant for you.

And he did not take you to one of those 28 spots.

Well, you is a woman, so clearly, y'all done got that out of the way.

So,

only one of me three said, Uncle Nocho, Nocho, can y'all give my newborn son a welcome to the world?

Makai Josiah Pierce, born August 20th.

Yes, we can.

Makai Josiah, welcome to the world.

I can baby sit too.

Let me know.

Man,

with your impatient ass, you call, you call, uh, uh, uh, what's it called?

I'm impatient when it comes to kids.

I got 211 kids.

I'm very impatient.

That's okay.

And you called grandpa to come get

what's the baby?

Friday.

No, exactly.

See?

Fridge fry, Fridge fry doing a thing.

Fridge fry like peace.

It's truly godly.

Do you see?

Do you see him going to CFL for trials next year to make a full return if he gets cuts since the NFL isn't going to

let him back easily?

No, I think he's going to get a chance.

I do.

Maybe not with the Browns, but I think he's going to get a chance.

Dankey65, Free Shadura.

He's our son, not watching Browns anymore.

Damn.

Boosie said, I paid for Super Chat just for Ocho not to give me a serious answer last night.

I wanted to know, how does a guy run a 4-240 and up with a 91 speed?

Ocho, the guy runs, so at 4-2, he should be at least 98.

He's a 4-2, right?

He's a 91 right now, so I want to see 4-2, week one, week two, week three, week four, week five, and so on.

And then I'll raise his rating.

He's saying at 4-2, considering there's not that many 4-2s.

No, I don't want to hear that.

It's a few 4-2s in the NFA.

I want to see 4-2 when it actually counts, not running in a straight line.

The game of football is not playing a straight line.

So show me 4-2 on the field.

Like Tyreek, when Tyree plays, he shows us 4-2 all the time.

He's been doing it

over, what, damn near a decade now.

so matthew golden

young bull

show me 4-2 every week and you'll be where you need to be simple

all right

oh joe wouldn't believe what happened to me today i had to call into work because i dreamed the bingles won their first five games

hey that's probably what's gonna happen That's probably what's going to happen.

We might win the first 10, actually.

We might win the first 10.

Joe Burrow burrow decided to play in the preseason jamar chase t higgins and everyone else on that offense did decide to play no the coach decided to play them in the preseason this was this was their choice this was their choice they said they wanted to play

huh and that's going to be the difference and why we'll be in san francisco come first week of february

Did they say they didn't want to play last year?

Yeah, they didn't want to play last year.

They were too cool for school.

What about the year before?

Too cool for school.

Okay.

We started a new trend.

That concludes this.

Go ahead.

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