Nightcap Hour 1: Unc & Ocho react to Brown SABOTAGING Shedeur + Shilo EJECTED + Rashan Gary joins

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Speaker 17 Later, Packers defensive end Rashawn Gary joins us in a bit. But first, Ocho, but first, Shouldor

Speaker 17 final preseason game. He was 306, 14 yards, 41 yards lost on five sacks.

Speaker 17 I know you watched this game as I did. I want to hear what you have to say first.

Speaker 24 Well, first of all, listen, George Sanders didn't play bad. Chat, those that follow me on Twitter, you happy? There it is.

Speaker 24 He didn't play well. He didn't play well.

Speaker 24 He played bad. Obviously, he stunk it up.

Speaker 17 But

Speaker 24 let me clarify why he

Speaker 24 offers some insight. Let me give you a little insight.

Speaker 24 So he comes in in the third quarter. Am I correct, Unc? It was the third quarter.
About then. Okay, boom.
So the players that are playing in the third quarter,

Speaker 24 excuse me if I'm wrong. You can do your homework.
Will those players make the 53-man roster, Unc?

Speaker 17 A lot of them will not. A lot of them will not make the 53-man roster.

Speaker 24 Exactly. So again, I'm all for quarterback competition.
But if you're going to put him in a situation that is not advantageous to him and competing at a high level, boom. Let's give him a chance.

Speaker 24 Let's give him a chance with the play calling. You know you have an offensive line that isn't playing that well.
So what do we do?

Speaker 24 Why not just play the short game so we can get the ball out of his hands very fast to run a competent goddamn offense.

Speaker 24 Purposely running plays that are 10, 12, 15 yard routes, knowing damn well the goddamn offensive line is not going to be able to hold up is ridiculous. It's clear.

Speaker 24 I played football for a very long time. I played in the NFL at a very high level for a very, very long time.

Speaker 24 I understand in a situation like that, when it comes to the threes and fours that you're playing with that aren't going to be, that aren't going to be on the squad and not going to make the team give your quarterback a chance.

Speaker 24 Okay, you know what? You know they can't hold up that long. Let's play quick game.
Let's play quick game just against Shador in a goddamn rhythm.

Speaker 24 But no, you come out calling regular offensive plays that are very long, damn near play action, damn near play action if he was under center, knowing they take a while to develop, knowing good and goddamn well, the O-line and the people you have out there right now are not going to be able to hold up.

Speaker 24 Outside of that, Shadu has to be better in understanding that the offensive line that you're working with right now is not adequate. Get the ball out your hands.

Speaker 24 Get the ball out your hand, but he's holding the ball for one reason. He's holding the ball because the goddamn players aren't open.

Speaker 24 He's waiting for things to develop, which is why he's holding the ball and trying to make something happen by holding on to it, by scrambling, moving, obviously running out of area, running out of real estate, and being sacked.

Speaker 24 I'm not sure what game you guys are watching. Again, I state Shadura did play bad.
He did.

Speaker 24 But why he played bad is clear as day if you understand the game of football and what he had to work with.

Speaker 24 Kevin Safanski. Not letting Shadura come back in the game to finish the two-minute drill.

Speaker 24 Oh, I've never seen that before.

Speaker 24 I've never in my life, never in my life, ever have seen anything like that before. What are we doing?

Speaker 24 What are we doing? No disrespect to Snoop Huntley. Snoop is probably not going to be on the team.
He's probably not going to be on the team. So I'm not sure what you were waiting to look.

Speaker 24 Snoop was on the team simply because quarterbacks were injured. So they brought in the extra body.
Why not allow the players that are competing for a job?

Speaker 24 In this instance, Shador Sanders, to finish off the two-minute drill.

Speaker 24 What are we doing? Who makes that call? He makes that call. Why? Because I want the last thing people to see.
I want

Speaker 24 the last thing for people to remember

Speaker 24 is the mistakes and the sacks that happen and not give him a chance to redeem himself.

Speaker 24 Because I think probably what would happen, okay, we can't have Shador come in here and finish this two-minute drive and go down and get a touchdown. We don't want that.

Speaker 24 So we're going to leave him on the sideline. So leaves a bad taste in those mouths.

Speaker 24 mouths so now there's nothing that they can say there's nothing that they can say because now you got a small sample size of him playing with people that are probably not going to be on the team and their body on twitter can say

Speaker 24 former

Speaker 24 man come on man but okay i i i can't wait to hear your piece and and in chat for those you who are listening and watching i'm not making excuses for him he played bad He played bad.

Speaker 24 But I can tell you why he played bad.

Speaker 24 I mean, if you know the game of football and understand the game of football, understand that those that are in there with him during that time i'm not going to be able to

Speaker 24 go ahead man

Speaker 17 i agree with everything you said

Speaker 17 he did play bad and

Speaker 17 you and i we come out here and we on we're on we talk four or five nights a week sometimes six nights a week we've gone six straight nights we've gone nine straight days before and what we do we tell it like it is ti like my grandma say boy tell it like it ti s tears we tell it like it is shadur did not not play well today.

Speaker 17 He played awful. Everything that you said is true.
Shadur, you know this offensive line is not competent enough to give you protection. And I understand it says, oh cho, I'm in competition.

Speaker 17 I saw what Dylan Gabriel did with the guys that's probably going to be on the team. I'm trying to match that.

Speaker 17 But what happened is that they didn't give him the necessary pieces in order to match this. If you want me to fight, if you want me to win a war, give me the weapons.

Speaker 17 You can't expect me to win a modern war with muskets and cannons

Speaker 17 they use drones now they use stuff with precision pinpoint accuracy

Speaker 17 so you're expecting me to win a modern game and you're giving me old time that won't work so shador has to do a better job of getting the ball out of his hands oh cho he has some time it's okay coach hey that ain't my game That's Lamar Jackson.

Speaker 17 That's

Speaker 17 Josh Allen. That's Jalen Hurts.
That's That's their game. Buying time like that.
Shadur has in a pocket. He can move side to side, but

Speaker 17 he doesn't have that ability, that escapability

Speaker 17 like these other quarterbacks like I put, like the board mentioned, I mentioned.

Speaker 17 I don't understand

Speaker 17 why you would let Snoop Huntley take the two-minute unless he's going to be one of the four quarterbacks that's going to be on your roster. You give that to Shadur.

Speaker 17 I agree with what you said because you said, look, we've seen guys play bad, be great in a two-minute drill, and you forget they played bad the entirety of the game.

Speaker 17 I don't know what's inside Kevin Stefanski head.

Speaker 17 Maybe he's like, hey, I wanted Snoop, you know,

Speaker 17 we're going to end up releasing him. And, you know, we wanted him to go.
Look, Snoop Huntley's been in the league four or five years.

Speaker 17 He started several games for the Ravens when Lamar Jackson would hurt. Hell, he started

Speaker 17 a postseason game. So this notion that

Speaker 17 you doing him some type of favor when the man has been in the league four or five years, he started six, seven games in his career, he started a postseason game

Speaker 17 is just disingenuous. With all that being said, I agree the offensive line wasn't very good.
And the one thing that a coach used to always tell me, he'd say, son, don't make a bad play worse.

Speaker 17 You see your offensive line break down Shador, don't make a bad play worse. Don't run around and lose five.
Don't lose 10. He got sacked five.
He got sacked five times, lost 41 yards.

Speaker 17 Fumble the ball. Come on.
You got to be better than that. And I understand when you're in competition, OJo, I'm trying to compete.

Speaker 17 So I'm going to scratch, claw, and do whatever I think is necessary that's going to help me put me in an advantageous situation so I can compete, so I can win.

Speaker 17 But

Speaker 17 I don't get

Speaker 17 what they did, why they did it. Some things is not for, some things is offered without explanation.
Some things you and I can't explain. Even though, with

Speaker 17 the 30-plus years between us of NFL experience and the number of Pro Bowls and all pros, both of us are in our team's respective ring of fames.

Speaker 17 Some things we just can't answer because we are not in Kevin Stefanski says we don't.

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Speaker 17 Here it is, Ocho. Here's Kevin Stefansky not letting Shador run the two-minute drill at the end of the grain at the end of the game with the Browns.
Let's take a listen to what he had to say.

Speaker 33 Kevin, it was obviously a bit of a rough second half for Shador and the Browns and the entire Browns offense, but like, why didn't you keep him in for a two-minute drill?

Speaker 33 Why did you decide to put Tyler in the future?

Speaker 34 Yeah, obviously, we didn't play great as an offense in the second half. That's never on one person.

Speaker 34 So we can be in and we can be better in a bunch of areas and just felt like we wanted to give Snoop a last draft

Speaker 17 Did Shador have something wrong with him after the game

Speaker 24 trying to do that?

Speaker 17 Yeah, he's good

Speaker 35 walked up to you after taking his walk down to the pylon and then he walked back up to you on the sidelines before

Speaker 35 before Snoop went in and he said something to you to you.

Speaker 8 You shook your head. I mean, was he trying to get back in?

Speaker 33 He's a repetitive kid. The plan was to go with Snoop there,

Speaker 34 But I wouldn't make any more of it than that.

Speaker 17 Yeah, he's like, Coach,

Speaker 17 let me get this last one. Give me an opportunity.
Now we're good. We're going to take a look at this.
They know what they're doing.

Speaker 24 They know what they're doing. Listen, a blind man can see that.
A blind man can see that. Again, for those of you in the chat,

Speaker 24 listen,

Speaker 24 I'm not taking it for him. I'm going to say it again.

Speaker 24 And I reiterated,

Speaker 24 Shador Sanders played bad.

Speaker 24 Based on the circumstances and the situation he was put in and the weapons around him and the offensive line that he had to deal with, that probably won't be on the 53-man roster.

Speaker 24 That's exactly what you would look like. You could have put Tom Brady out there

Speaker 24 with that offensive line,

Speaker 24 he would have looked the exact same way. You could have put Patrick Mahomes out there with that offensive line in that third quarter, in the second half,

Speaker 24 he would have looked the exact same way. Kevin Stefanski saying, we didn't play well in the second half.

Speaker 36 Well, yeah.

Speaker 24 I mean, obviously.

Speaker 17 You didn't call plays well in the second half. This is what Derrick Carr had to say.
I need to understand

Speaker 17 why we don't get to see Shadur run this two-minute drill.

Speaker 17 Wouldn't you want to see your young quarterback operate in this situation, get him more reps for the future? I didn't see the whole game, so maybe he already showed enough. Help me understand this.

Speaker 17 Jerome Aiden Rup, so Kevin Stefanski gives Dylan Gabriel easy short throws with max protection and then give Shadur bulljive plays with an old line that looked like they just ate a gang of little Debbies.

Speaker 17 F, you Browns, trade Shadur.

Speaker 17 Did you hear the key word?

Speaker 24 As soon as I stated that he played well and the first thing I said, what you just read, he gave Dylan Gabriel short throws to get himself in rhythm to get the ball out of his hands.

Speaker 24 And then in the second half, the play calls were much longer routes that took time to develop, and they know good and well that the offensive line wouldn't be able to hold up.

Speaker 24 The only reason a quarterback holds on to the ball, sometimes it's coverage sacks, sometimes it's waiting for receivers to get downfield for routes to develop.

Speaker 24 And they know good and well, like, you know, good and well, it wasn't going to work.

Speaker 24 You have an NFL quarterback, an experienced quarterback that's pointing it out.

Speaker 24 Exactly what I said. I didn't even know.
I didn't even know Derrick Carr tweeted that.

Speaker 25 I didn't even know.

Speaker 24 But I'm just sitting here watching. I'm like, what are we doing?

Speaker 24 What are we doing

Speaker 24 as a coach, as a head coach, as a coaching staff?

Speaker 17 I mean,

Speaker 24 if it's a quarterback competition, put the players in advantageous situations and give them a chance to succeed. It's simple.
It's something like you would do on Sunday.

Speaker 24 When Joe Flacco goes out there week one against the Cincinnati Bengals, they're going to put him in positions to succeed

Speaker 24 every quarter, every down.

Speaker 24 It's just the way the game is played.

Speaker 24 You play to win the game.

Speaker 24 I mean,

Speaker 24 I don't understand.

Speaker 25 I don't understand.

Speaker 17 Mike Hill.

Speaker 17 Mike Hill, I hope Shadur will eventually end up on a good roster with a coach who wants and believes in him.

Speaker 17 It's so obvious this league and even the Browns, in a sense, have been trying to send a message to him since the draft, and it's downright disgusting.

Speaker 17 Like I said,

Speaker 17 I co-sign, I agree with everything that you said.

Speaker 17 The play was not adequate enough and Shadura has to get to a point in time. That's always been his knock.
We said this when he was in college. He holds on to the ball too long.

Speaker 17 You're not going to make every play.

Speaker 17 The sooner he gets that in his head, the sooner he comes to that realization, the better off he's going to be. Do not make a bad play worse.
Ocho, if you, the worst thing you can do, Ocho,

Speaker 17 if I run the wrong route is drop the ball when you throw it to me, damn, son, the least you can do is catch it. You look affed up to play, you're someplace you're not supposed to be.

Speaker 17 Son,

Speaker 17 if you jump offside, son, just go. Just go ahead.
Maybe they missed it, but don't make a bad play worse.

Speaker 17 And

Speaker 17 you block the wrong guy, and then you end up holding. Well, damn, son.

Speaker 17 Shadur, just speed your process up. Yes, the offensive line wasn't adequate.
Yes, the receivers,

Speaker 17 give him the plays that you gave him against Carolina. Let him get the ball out of his hands.
Let him let,

Speaker 17 in a situation like that,

Speaker 17 you let the offense, you let the receivers help you. You put the ball in their hands and says, okay, son, go get four or five yards out the catch.

Speaker 17 As opposed to taking a five-step drop and trying to push the ball down the field. That is my synopsis of what I saw.

Speaker 17 Hopefully now,

Speaker 17 hopefully, preseasons is over.

Speaker 17 We can stop having these conversations. Joe Flacco is the starting quarterback.
Now we need to stop asking these questions. When are we going to see the Shador?

Speaker 17 Because you're not going to see Joe Flacco something happens to him. If they keep full quarterbacks, it's going to be Joe Flacco.
It's going to probably be, I don't know.

Speaker 17 Hell, the way it looks looked like Dylan Gabriel might be two now. Kenny Pickett might be three.

Speaker 24 And you know what also,

Speaker 24 I'm not saying it scares me, but it worries me.

Speaker 24 If they've already made a decision, if their mind is already made up as an organization, as a head coach, has them coming out and saying what he said two weeks ago about the pick not being his and Andrew Berry standing by his side and standing by his pick.

Speaker 24 And for Andrew Berry to have to witness what he saw today, someone that is very intelligent, very intelligent to be in a position of power that he's in and to witness what he witnessed today.

Speaker 24 I'm thinking also if... The decision's already been made to release Shador or to cut him in any way, shape, form, or fashion.
What scares me is him going to another team.

Speaker 24 And will team be willing to be able to deal with someone with the last name Sanders that brings a kind of tension to a team that he does and he's not even a starting quarterback.

Speaker 24 You understand what I'm saying? Because

Speaker 24 that brings a totally different dynamic to a team where it takes away from

Speaker 24 whoever the starting quarterback is being Shadur now coming in and being on that team.

Speaker 24 You get where I'm going with it? Now it's

Speaker 24 he didn't create, but it just comes with the Sanders last name in general.

Speaker 17 That's a lot of oxygen being taken up out of the room for a guy that's not playing. That's what you're saying.

Speaker 17 The Browns general manager, Andrew Berry, told the NFL network, keeping four quarterbacks, not much of a decision. We have a room that we like and all the guys in there.

Speaker 17 We don't really see that as a problem. We more see it as an opportunity.

Speaker 17 Ocho, my thing is, why are you keeping four quarterbacks when clearly one of the quarterbacks you don't actually believe in

Speaker 24 i know hey i know andrew berry and mr hassom i know they be going at it boy

Speaker 17 because it's not it's not like there's sentimentality sometimes ocho we hold on to things that have sentimental value to us oh man ocho i had this thing so long i just can't let it go you know but But when there's no sentimentality to it, there's no attachment to it.

Speaker 17 You just drafted a guy. You drafted a guy in the fifth round.
Why are you holding on to it?

Speaker 17 If you believe he was that good, you would have given him a better opportunity to show you what he can do. From what I could deduce and from what I've read,

Speaker 17 I've never read anything or saw anything that Shadur Sanders took reps with the ones or the twos, except when Gabriel got hurt and then he took that they were playing that Friday and he took reps that Wednesday and Thursday.

Speaker 17 Other than that, excuse me,

Speaker 17 prior to that, there was not a situation where I read what Mary Kay Cabot was writing and I read what others had written that I saw that Shador Sanders had taken ref with the ones and twos.

Speaker 17 So if he's not taking ones and twos, and you would think after what he did in the Carolina game, that's normally what happens, chat.

Speaker 17 I'm telling you what normally happens when a guy, if he's down on the depth chart, And he plays good in a preseason game, they normally come in and that practice back.

Speaker 17 he's like, I want to see what the guy can do with the ones and the twos, no matter the position, be it quarterback, running back, wide receiver, O-line, D-line, linebacker, cornerback.

Speaker 17 I'm telling you, that's normally how it works. You're talking to a guy that was in a very similar situation, and y'all say, well, you always inserted yourself.

Speaker 17 I'm inserting myself because I'm telling you, I was in a situation like Shadura. He was a fifth rounder.
I was a seventh rounder. I was like sixth and seventh on the depth chart.

Speaker 17 So I played good in the preseason game, won't you? Guess what? Next thing I know, hey,

Speaker 17 at the time I was 81 sharp,

Speaker 17 Cool

Speaker 17 with the backup quarterback, and he called me Greasy. He said, Greasy, they put you with the ones and the twos today.
So, hey, make sure you're ready. You need to know anything.
Ask me.

Speaker 17 I don't know why, but Seven and Coop always took a liking to me. They always took a liking to me.
Cool would come into the game and practice, Ocho. He's like, Greasy, you know what you got?

Speaker 17 I said, nah, not really. He said, you got X, Y, blah, blah, blah.
Yeah, I'm telling you,

Speaker 17 just like this. He said, Greasy, look, it's going to be cover two.
Take the hole. Greasy, it's going to be, it's going to be single high safety.
Run to seven. It's going to be this.
Hook it up.

Speaker 17 15 yards, hook it up. Show me a letter.
I'm going to get you the ball. Hey, let's go.
Let's, hey, let's go make some money today.

Speaker 17 He was always like that in my ear. So it gave me confidence that, damn, this man, he don't, hey, i'm a rookie and he helping me he's working with me hey seven with the exact same way

Speaker 17 but once i played good in the game with him guess what now i come back on monday ocho

Speaker 17 i went to twos at i didn't get into the fourth quarter Because they want to see what you can do with the starters.

Speaker 17 Okay, if he did this with some backups, let's see if we put him with the one and twos. Let's see if he can do that again.

Speaker 17 Maybe it was because he's going against guys that's not going to be there, but let's see if he can compete against guys that we know are going to be there on Sunday.

Speaker 17 So, this is a very similar situation with Shadur. I would have thought, you would have thought, because we had this conversation, oh, Joe, he's going to get the reps now.

Speaker 24 So, we thought, based on our experience and what happens when you play well, but listen, outside of that, Joe Flacco, that boy looked good.

Speaker 25 He looked good.

Speaker 17 Dylan Gabriel came in.

Speaker 24 God damn, Dylan Gabriel looked good. Very very efficient.
Passes coming out. Everything sharp went down, touched down.

Speaker 24 And then, you know, obviously, 12 didn't play good today. He didn't.
And I've said it over and over. For those in the chat, I know we have our Shadur haters

Speaker 24 who don't like him. He didn't play well.
Can you hear me? But in most of those, most of those that are hating too,

Speaker 24 they don't watch football. They don't understand football.
They don't understand the ins and outs. And what

Speaker 17 the intricacies of football

Speaker 17 that you understand that played the game

Speaker 17 understand the nuance.

Speaker 24 Listen, we see it, we see it clear as day, but they just on there. Oh, he played bad, he's ass, he's sucked, he's a fifth-rounder, he's not that good.

Speaker 24 Well, of course, yes, based on what you saw today,

Speaker 24 but I'm we're trying to tell you why it looked that way, but that's neither here nor there. It is what it is, they made a decision, they had to lie in the bed with it.
So, listen,

Speaker 24 i'm happy for them

Speaker 17 this is why i watch the game with no sound i don't want someone to contaminate my mind and i regurgitate what somebody else said

Speaker 17 also the reason why i watch fans are only interested in the end result i'm trying to figure out why we got said result It's not good enough that they scored a touchdown. I need to know why.

Speaker 17 Let me see the formation.

Speaker 17 Let me see what the guy guy did let me see the defensive coverage was it just a great route did he just beat sometimes ocho you just beat the guy some and that's okay you get paid he gets paid sometimes ocho just gonna win because ocho was just the better player sometimes the defensive back is gonna win he wins some you win more than he than you lose sometimes the who blew the assignment was it the safety was he getting greedy paying attention to the tight end on the over when he should have been deep middle?

Speaker 17 Did the corner,

Speaker 17 why did he, did he not, did he not shovel the receiver down inside and sink? Why was he still so far? Why was he so close up when there's nothing to threaten the flat? I'm analyzing all of that.

Speaker 17 It's just not good enough for me to know that they scored. I'm trying to see why they scored.

Speaker 17 And then I'm going to tell you, based on my experience, having played the game, having studied the game, this is what I think happened.

Speaker 17 So, Ocho and I, what we're trying to do, we're not making excuses for Shadur. Shadur has to do a better job of not making a bad situation worse.

Speaker 24 Hey, I was so confused tonight, too.

Speaker 24 Let me tell you something.

Speaker 24 I really, I really do this. And I've watched the game for a long time.
So I thought maybe I'm tripping. Maybe I'm tripping based on what I'm seeing.

Speaker 24 And maybe I'm not seeing it correctly. Hell, I picked up the phone.
I call TJ. I call who.
I call Hoosh.

Speaker 24 And I'm like, whoosh,

Speaker 24 am I tripping? Or did I see what I thought I just saw when 12 went in the game? He's like, yeah.

Speaker 24 Yeah.

Speaker 24 You can tell that was a bunch of, you know what? You know, TJ, TJ don't care. He just, he just go off.

Speaker 17 Oh, yeah. TJ run off the road off the rock on the phone.

Speaker 24 Yeah. Why would you put him in that situation? I said, okay, I just want to, if I heard it from you and I know how you, you know how TJ, he gonna tell it like it is.

Speaker 25 He know he don't care.

Speaker 24 And okay, I just want to make sure I wasn't tripping. I just want to make sure I wasn't tripping.

Speaker 24 So I'm from another mouth that actually played the goddamn game, the receiver position, that also knows the game extremely well, all the intricacies that come with it. Okay, boom.

Speaker 24 I know I wasn't tripping.

Speaker 17 No.

Speaker 17 And the thing that I hate is that you keep him buried.

Speaker 17 Now, hey, Ocho, maybe you keep him and he gives reps because when you're in the practice squad, now you're going to get reps because you're going to get reps

Speaker 17 because you're practicing the other guy's stuff.

Speaker 17 Because when they hold a card up, oh, Joe, I mean, you red from the gala team because you want to. They hold the card up.

Speaker 17 And so they got the plays drawn up and they circle where they want the ball to go. So they're telling me, hey,

Speaker 17 this is our Fox 2 X and Y book.

Speaker 17 This is our 25 dagger. This is our double square out.
This is our comeback.

Speaker 17 They're telling us what this play play is in our terminology. So there's no mistaking.
Okay, sometimes the D coordinator will say, come in here, A, put a little extra sauce on it.

Speaker 17 Because this receiver has like, he got some real good. Hey, he got some shake on him now.
He ain't just

Speaker 17 down there, break down. No, no, no.
He studied. A, he hazy at the line, and then he go,

Speaker 17 stop on the dime. So give us some of that.
Hey, quarterback, run around a little bit.

Speaker 17 We play junior sayout.

Speaker 17 Offensive coordinate coop and mike would tell tell burn keith burns was normal i junior say out he say go wherever you want to go if it's if you're supposed to be in the a gap go go in the c gap do whatever you hey you got no responsibility if you're supposed to blitz drop in pass coverage because that's exactly what junior would do

Speaker 17 he had no idea what the hell he was gonna do And so

Speaker 17 that's how he played it. I'm like, bro, what? Hey, you supposed to blitz.
He said, nah, I ain't want to blitz.

Speaker 24 Hey, that was so funny. Hey, hey, what's the name? Told me some stories about

Speaker 24 Junior Man. Hey, buddy.

Speaker 17 Hey, buddy. Hey, buddy.

Speaker 24 Buddy.

Speaker 17 That's his word. That's his buddy.
Hey, buddy. Hey, buddy.

Speaker 25 Oh, man.

Speaker 17 Everybody was buddy. I don't think he ever called anybody by their name.

Speaker 17 The coaches was buddy.

Speaker 17 The offense, if you played offense, you were buddy. If you played defense, you was buddy.
Hey, buddy. Oh, hey, it was so funny.

Speaker 24 I think.

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Speaker 24 What's the coach of Alabama? His name's in my mind.

Speaker 17 Slave.

Speaker 24 Dolphins at the time, if I'm not mistaken.

Speaker 24 It's when, you know, I think that's when,

Speaker 24 Godwise, names to my mind.

Speaker 17 Ronnie Brown, all those guys were there at the time. Is it right?

Speaker 25 And

Speaker 24 Shannon Crowder was telling his story they came out for practice

Speaker 24 they came out for practice and junior say how didn't have on his cleats he had on regular shoes

Speaker 24 and nick saber must have told him must have told him hey um

Speaker 24 you got your regular shoes on you not you're not gonna you're not gonna go change he said nah buddy i'm gonna practice like this today no and it was so funny the way that he told the story man oh my goodness like he was hilarious

Speaker 17 all right joining us on the show show now,

Speaker 17 we'll welcome in Pro Bowler. Last year, he's a Pro Bowler.
He's number 80 on this year's NFL Top 100.

Speaker 17 You were 50 last year, Rashawn.

Speaker 17 Despite making the Pro Bowl last year, they have you down 30 spots.

Speaker 17 I want to know what is Rashawn Gary going to do to get back into that top 50, get back into that top 30, maybe even get up into the top 20.

Speaker 25 Well, you got going to see in two weeks. You know, we got a great home opener.

Speaker 24 Let's go.

Speaker 25 Yeah, you know, got a great home opener, you know, against the Lions, NFC, you know, rivalry. So it's a nice way to start the season.

Speaker 25 I just want my work to show.

Speaker 36 Yeah.

Speaker 24 So I got a quick question for you. Camp is over now.
Obviously, I'm sure you guys have a week to work on some things, Packers versus Packers, before you get into a game planning scheme for week one.

Speaker 24 How was camp for you? How's the body holding up? How do you feel? Are you going into camp healthy?

Speaker 25 oh yeah no this is uh

Speaker 25 yeah it's crazy uh because i was just talking uh you know my teammate kenny about it i'm like you know going into year seven it's one of the you know the healthiest camps that i have so you know i'm feeling good um you know from otas all the way through now i've been putting a great body at work and now it's just time to you know put it on display yes sir yes sir you guys don't play a game for another two weeks is coach is coach lafleur going to give you guys some time off some time off are you back on monday or does do you get Sunday?

Speaker 17 You get Monday. You guys are back in there Tuesday.
Are you going to get a little time off before you have to hit it and start getting ready for the Lions in two weeks?

Speaker 25 Yeah, you know, we got a couple practices coming up next week, but we got the weekend off and then back to work on Sunday.

Speaker 17 Damn, y'all back to work on Sunday already? Damn, I figured Coach LaFleur would give y'all a couple of days off. Y'all, you're like, well, damn, Cole,

Speaker 17 we had a good

Speaker 17 camp.

Speaker 17 The Packers, your defense. I mean, you mentioned Kenny Clark.
I'm assuming you're talking about Kenny Clark.

Speaker 17 Now you lost your cornerback, your all-pro cornerback,

Speaker 17 you released him, and he ends up going to Baltimore. How do you guys, because you guys have shown spots where you guys are dominant.
I'm talking about dominant.

Speaker 17 You attack the quarterback, you stop the run, you turn the team over, you give your offense shortfields. How do you stay consistent in doing that, Rashawn?

Speaker 25 Yeah, just holding our standard. Everybody got through their 111.

Speaker 25 And throughout OTAs, especially, you know, being year two and, you know, a coach half system, it's been crazy watching everybody fly to the ball, tack the ball, and actually being on one accord, you know, talking about first all the way to fourth down, get back on track downs.

Speaker 25 We all on the same page, all speaking the same language. And, you know, it's been good seeing it.

Speaker 24 For you guys, especially the Packers, opening up with a game like this against the Lions is a good test for you guys defensively, obviously, whether it be on the ground, whether it be in the air, because you understand the dynamic and how special the Lions offense is.

Speaker 24 Even with Ben Johnson leaving, they still have all those weapons, you know, Jameer Gibbs and Montgomery, you know, the receivers on the outside, tight end.

Speaker 24 Your thought process going into it early so far, what is it that you think you guys need to do to win that game come week one from a defensive standpoint?

Speaker 24 I already know what you guys can do on offense. Defensively, can you be able to hold them? I'm not sure what the Lions finish when it comes to scoring, but you know they can put up points.

Speaker 25 Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 25 Just like I was saying, we've been doing a great job through OTAs and campaign, being on the same page, speaking the same language, understanding what teams want to do to us, especially our offense in these last couple joint practices, really being on the same page to how these offensive teams want to attack us, understanding our weak points.

Speaker 25 And I'm saying when on 11 know that, we understand how to protect it. So just basically being on the same page.

Speaker 25 And when it comes to, you know, that game right at three o'clock, we got to be locked in, focused and one occur how we've been and just having fun.

Speaker 24 Okay, one more more question one more question

Speaker 17 go ahead

Speaker 24 i know your team goals you got team goals obviously from a defensive perspective team goals offensive and decently obviously the main goal you want to be in san francisco at the end at the end of the season first week of february but personal goals your personal goals yourself that you would want to achieve it can you can you share those with us you know whatever it may be Yeah, I could just show you my, you know, shit a little into my mindset, man.

Speaker 25 Just trying to be dominant, man.

Speaker 25 I've been training in the hardest offseason really just trying to take over like i said one through fourth downs man that's what i'm playing for and really just trying to show everybody you know how dominant i can be

Speaker 23 rash on

Speaker 17 you're the vet now there's no more aaron rodgers there is no more jahir alexander you're one of the old guards now So now, how has your

Speaker 17 leadership style changed? Because guess what? You're one of the senior voices now.

Speaker 25 Yeah, you know, it's been great, man. It's something that, you know, you always pray for and ask for.

Speaker 25 And, you know, it's crazy, you know, we got rookies coming in and talking about, I used to watch you before my high school games. I'm like, man, I'm.

Speaker 17 Yeah, so, you know, it's kind of weird, but

Speaker 25 I've been having fun. And Green Bay been doing a great job, especially from when I came in with the guys they had ahead of me,

Speaker 25 being able to keep it real with me, especially a big guy to me was Mercedes-Lewis. So, you know, talking to him how to take care of my body, things like that.

Speaker 25 So when, you know, young guys come up to me, asking me how to film, study, what to look for, things like that i'm able just to keep it real because i had a good og but um man it's just been fun man i'm really a lead by you know example and um if i need to speak i'll get there but then also i started to learn that you know you can't talk to everybody the same way you know you got to understand you know everybody background

Speaker 25 even you know everybody background you know why everybody's in it and i feel like you know this offseason especially through ota's camp you know i've been able to understand people why so when it do get time you know two minute drill deep fourth quarter when we got to lock in you know i could i could hit those points yeah hey what what what's it what's what's what's it like there in green bay is there anything to do is there is it fun

Speaker 17 uh

Speaker 24 you know it's chill calm play football yeah play football man and focus man uh

Speaker 25 man it's chill calm green bay you know it's slept on but you know it's a great community and as well love

Speaker 17 okay okay

Speaker 17 yeah Yeah, I mean, you got Milwaukee, you got Chicago.

Speaker 17 That's 90 minutes away. You got Milwaukee.
That's 90 minutes away. So, but it's easy to play.

Speaker 17 My brother played there for seven years, Rashawn, and then, you know, going to visit him, you can see why they had success in the 60s. Ain't nothing else to do.

Speaker 17 There was less to do then than there is now, but you can understand why the Packers have success. There's not a whole lot to get into.
There's not a whole lot of trouble. There's not a, look.

Speaker 17 Appleton is down the way, but that's a college town, like I mentioned. Milwaukee, but hell, Milwaukee closed down at 10:30.
You ain't really trying to drive way to Chicago.

Speaker 17 You ain't really trying to drive way to Chicago to have a good time.

Speaker 17 Hey, when you're there for those months, when you come back for training camp and you're there, hey, bro, let's make the best of this situation. We can get tunnel vision.
We can lock in.

Speaker 17 Let's try to go compete and win a supernova.

Speaker 25 And that's the mindset, and that's how it's always been being a Green Bay fagger.

Speaker 17 Let me ask you this. Is there a play that you replay? Is there an almost sack? Is there almost a ball that was on the ground that you, damn, if I could have just got this one, it would have helped.

Speaker 17 Is there a play that you replay in your mind since you've been in Green Bay that you're like, man, if I'd have made that play, that'd have been a difference in the game?

Speaker 25 To be honest with you, not off the top of my head, but, you know, I played too hard to give it up, man. Like I said, I'm going on year seven.

Speaker 25 And like a lot of guys I talk to, you know, you can't take it for granted. And right now I'm in some crucial years where I feel like, you know, I could take off and start extending the right way.

Speaker 17 Hey,

Speaker 24 it's flying by, huh? Do you realize you're in year seven already? It went by fast, didn't it?

Speaker 25 Yeah, it's going by fast. It's going by fast.
Like I said, I'm trying to stay in the moment and uh, you know, enjoy the ride.

Speaker 36 Oh, yeah,

Speaker 17 it is because you look up and you're going to be in year 10. And because, you know, you're like, man, let me get five.
And you say, well, let me get to 10.

Speaker 17 And then once you get to 10, you're like, let me take a year at a time. But before you know it, I mean, I woke up one morning, I'm like, damn, I'm in year 10.

Speaker 17 And next thing you know, hey, calling Mike said, hey, this is it for me, bro. I'm done.

Speaker 17 It goes fast. And that's why I tell guys, man, enjoy it.

Speaker 17 Make sure you're training, you're eating, your prep everything because you don't want to have not one iota of regret because regret when you leave this game you can't go back

Speaker 17 and so to have that moment of regret for the rest of your life it'll eat at you so when you're done rashan when you say hey green bay hey lafleur or you uh gounikins or whomever you got a call that says i'm done Hopefully you finish your career in Green Bay.

Speaker 17 You're like, you look back and it's like, man, I gave it everything I had. The way I trained, the way I slept, the way I practiced, the way I met,

Speaker 17 everything.

Speaker 17 I walk away with

Speaker 17 my head held high,

Speaker 17 knowing I couldn't have got anything else out of the talent that God blessed me with.

Speaker 24 It's a good one right here, too, but it's a good one. So I think about, obviously, during my playing days, there's some of the players that I looked up to at the same position.

Speaker 24 Obviously, while we're still playing, I would watch their film and study some of the things that they did and still, you know, steal some of their moves, no matter what, just to be able to add to my game to improve year to year.

Speaker 24 Who are some players that play the exact same position you do that you look up to and watch their film to see what they do where you can add to your toolbox as well?

Speaker 25 Yeah, with me, it's funny, but I like going throwbacks. So, you know, I like throwing on Julius Peppers.
Yeah, Julius Peppers.

Speaker 24 That's a good one.

Speaker 25 Yeah, Julius Peppers. I love Tom Ali when he was in the Kansas City Chiefs doing the state.
Yeah, Justin Houston.

Speaker 25 You know, those are guys that I feel like I rest similar towards. And then nowadays,

Speaker 25 you know, you throw on, you know, Miles Garrett, you get you, you know, been in the edge off of, you know, TJ Watt. But I ain't going to lie, this year.

Speaker 17 A speed to power.

Speaker 25 You know, but, you know, this year I've been doing a lot of watching myself, man.

Speaker 17 Yeah,

Speaker 36 I like it. Yeah.

Speaker 24 That's dope.

Speaker 17 Let me ask you this, because Ochoa and I was talking and how we approach the game of football, how we approach as a wide receiver.

Speaker 17 When you go into a game, obviously you're trying to get to the quarterback but everything leads to something else i'm showing him one thing but that's not really what i want to do i'm giving him this but i really want to do that but i'm saving it for a rainy day because i know it's going to come a third down in this fourth quarter and i know i've a i've been running up the field the whole game and i know a i a i know i've been stabbing you the whole game hey i've been posting and wiping you away the whole game and i know you i know you finna sit on that because that's what i've given you i've given you no reason to prepare for anything else.

Speaker 17 Is that how you approach the rush game? Is that, look, I'm doing what I can, but I know I got to have this in my back pocket when I absolutely got to get this quarterback on the ground.

Speaker 25 Yeah, shoot. You know, the thing about pass rushes and every pass rusher I talk to, man, you.
you know, all the great ones, you really got about four moves in the toolbox.

Speaker 25 And at the end of the day, it's really about reacting to what the, you know, the offensive lineman wants you to do.

Speaker 25 But once you get off the ball a certain way and you, you know, got them thinking, oh, he about to stab them about to stab him yeah i'll stab you the first four or five maybe six rushes but you know that third you know crucial down you know third and ten third and eight we gotta get off the field i'm gonna have to sit you down hit the edge but yeah

Speaker 25 it's a game it's a game with it within uh the longevity y'all both know that yeah

Speaker 17 it absolutely it is it's a beautiful thing to watch the guys because you know i'm a little i'm a lot older than you i'm probably the age of your dad but the past rushes to watch dt how he got off the edge and bent the edge.

Speaker 17 He reminds me of Von Miller. And then I see Reggie White, how he just had pure power.
He just, he just getting on the edge and he gonna hump you. You already know what's coming.

Speaker 17 You can sit down as much as you want to. You 330 and try to sit on it.
You gonna get humped. He gonna throw a 330 pound man like he's a sack of potatoes.

Speaker 17 And then you get a guy like a Bruce Smith that's 265, 270, all out like a Miles Garrett, playing on a five technique. And you're like, bro, how this man bend the edge like that? How can he lean?

Speaker 17 He's this high off the ground, Rashad. I'm like, how? How did he do that?

Speaker 17 I'm watching you.

Speaker 17 You got a lot of power.

Speaker 17 I see the way you're built from waist down and the way you can post a guy,

Speaker 17 wax on, wax him off. You can also bend the edge.
As you mentioned, you can convert speed to power because you can. It's all about getting off the ball.
Once I get off the ball, you at my mercy, bro.

Speaker 17 As long as I'm not lazy off the ball,

Speaker 17 barbecue.

Speaker 25 Hey, it's gonna be a good night. You absolutely right.

Speaker 17 So let me ask you a question.

Speaker 17 A lot of guys will listen to the

Speaker 17 TV version. They'll get the TV version and they'll try to pick up the quarterback's cadence.

Speaker 17 Blues 17, blues 17

Speaker 17 ready said

Speaker 25 do you do things like that try to pick up the audio copy try to pick up the yeah absolutely um shoot i'm in the you know the quarterback i'm into quarterback cadence i'm also into i'm heavy on the office and line talk the office and line gonna tell you everything

Speaker 25 let you know if it's run you know how loud they communicate

Speaker 24 how you feel

Speaker 25 in um eyes body language yeah i i'm into it all but uh especially once i hear the officer lineman uh you know talking, they kind of be able to, you know, from my reason, everything, I'm kind of able to pick it up and play faster.

Speaker 17 Especially when you at home, because it's hard for them to hear. So they've got to communicate.

Speaker 17 And as much as he's trying to look at you, he got to look, but now they kind of hold hands a little bit, but he still got to kind of look inside. And hey,

Speaker 17 all you need is a half a step. That's all you need.
It ain't no, hey, ain't no, look, these guys are good. You ain't just finna just beat these guys.

Speaker 17 but that half a step that you get, that you get on the edge, and once you get them shoulders, hey, once he turn,

Speaker 25 tell me,

Speaker 17 bro, you're not finna ride me up the field. I'm finna get skinny, and I'm finna get narrow.
I'm finna get the quarterback on the ground.

Speaker 17 So,

Speaker 17 before the 2019 draft, you funded your own sports agency, the Rashawn Gary Sports. What inspired you to do something like this?

Speaker 25 Going to Michigan, being able to sit in our Ross Business School, I had a couple of classes. I was blessed and fortunate to have a couple of classes in there.

Speaker 25 And just

Speaker 25 actually talk about business models, marketing. I actually got to talk about life after football.
And it's something that I really never thought about. And I'm like,

Speaker 25 we could be real, football is the biggest thing. This is not going to stop.
It's only going to get bigger and bigger and keep growing and growing.

Speaker 25 So I'm like, you know, when I get old and then when I do hang my cleats up, you know, how can I, you know, stay around, you know, the game, you know, give the game to the young guys um especially in positions where you know i wish i would have had growing up um and then also to leave a legacy you know for my kids kids and uh hopefully their kids so he's just trying to build it uh become a powerhouse i like that that's dope that's dope it's that's it

Speaker 17 rashan

Speaker 17 you do realize that division you in

Speaker 17 You got the Packers, they won 14 games last year. You got the Lions, they won 15 games last year.

Speaker 17 You got the Bears, and many believe they're much improved with the addition as Ben Johnson as their head coach. They've added pieces on the offensive line to protect Caleb Williams.

Speaker 17 Defense seemed to be flying around under new DC, Dennis Allen and yourself, the Packers. You guys made the playoff.

Speaker 17 Jordan Love had the surgery on his left hand, but hey, everybody say he's good to go.

Speaker 17 What does the Packers need to do to win this division? Get a home game and say, hey, let whatever happens happen after that.

Speaker 25 We got to go out there and we just got to play Packers ball. Like I said, we've been growing it from OTAs through camp.
I'm talking about

Speaker 25 even finishing the pregame. I mean, preseason on a high note.

Speaker 25 You know, we just gotta keep everything flowing. Like I said, especially on defense, we've been speaking the same language.
I've been seeing the offense, you know, do their thing, connecting.

Speaker 25 Even special teams, you know, the guy is flying down.

Speaker 25 Understand that's a very crucial part and important part of the game. So all we got to do is be consistent.

Speaker 25 Had the mindset to go one to no every week.

Speaker 17 Let me ask you this. At practice, do you uh

Speaker 17 if you see something from like your offensive line like bro that's a tail i can tell when you run the ball i tell when you passing the ball i can tell how you trying to you trying to set me up do you guys communicate like that do they tell you hey rashan bro i i hey

Speaker 17 You gave this move away. Do you guys communicate like that with one another?

Speaker 25 Yeah, that's iron sharp and iron, especially when I'm trying to work on something. I'm big on that.
I'm talking about both of my tackles coming to me.

Speaker 25 Like, what bother you? So, of course, I'm going to tell them everything I I don't like to do so I can work on it and practice and vice versa. You know, me working on certain moves.

Speaker 25 Okay, you telegraphed that. Man, if you would have sold it up an extra step, you feel me? Or, oh, you got me on that move.
I'm like, all right, you know, keep working things like that.

Speaker 25 But yeah, it's iron stripe and iron practice. And me withholding information for season, that's not going to better the team.
So I'd rather make it hard on me now.

Speaker 25 So for the guys that do give it away in season, I can play a little bit faster.

Speaker 17 Oh, man, that's great. Man, thank you, Rashawn, for joining us, man.
Stay healthy. Best of luck.
Hey, this year, you was what? Hold on, let me find out where you were.

Speaker 17 You were number 80. Man, you dropped 50, you dialed 30 spots.
So when we come back and have this conversation next week, next year, you got to be in the top 30. You got to be 30 above.

Speaker 25 Well, 30 or below. It's going to be great talking to you then.

Speaker 17 Thank you, bro. Best of luck.
Stay healthy. Good luck to the Packers this season.
And we're going to talk to you soon.

Speaker 25 Thank you. It's an honor.

Speaker 17 Appreciate you, bro. Have a good one.

Speaker 17 Rashawn Gary, ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 17 Oh, Joe, Shiloh Sanders was ejected after throwing a punch at uh Bill's tight end, Zach Davidson. Should he have been ejected?

Speaker 24 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You can't do that.
You got to be able to control yourself, especially in that moment. I know the tight end, you know, they was locked up a little bit.

Speaker 24 He was probably trying to rough hide them a little bit, but you have to be able to control yourself.

Speaker 24 You got to be able to control your emotions, especially in moments like that, especially in the game, especially in the game. So, you know, you have no choice.
If you throw a punch, if anything, if

Speaker 24 your arm extends

Speaker 24 and it touches the other individual,

Speaker 24 you're going out the game. Every time.

Speaker 17 Ocho, he's in the open field. That's not like an offensive and defensive lineman.
Oh, Joe, you in the pile and can't nobody see you trying to hit the guy. Oh, Joe, he's right there.

Speaker 17 The back judge and the side judge, that was you standing right there.

Speaker 24 They're right there.

Speaker 24 You know, sometimes you got players that'll that'll provoke you. Sometimes

Speaker 24 they're always going to see the person that swings last.

Speaker 24 They never see who initiated, but they're going to always see the person who swings last.

Speaker 17 I ain't trying to get you back in front of the ref.

Speaker 17 I'm going to try to get you back when you ain't thinking about it. Because if I do something, then you brace it.
All you're going to do is turn to the ref. You see ref? He did the A start.

Speaker 17 Hey, Ref, you see what 84 did? You see what he did? Don't worry about it. I'm going to get you back.
It's going to look like a place.

Speaker 17 I'm going to get your ass back. Yeah.

Speaker 17 Or I'm going to get your teammate.

Speaker 24 Somebody's going to get it.

Speaker 17 Somebody going to get

Speaker 17 that got your color uniform on. He ain't had nothing to do with it, but that's your teammate.
Hey, y'all know how it is.

Speaker 17 Hey, I'm going to get you with somebody that's related to you.

Speaker 17 Yeah, but

Speaker 17 I agree with you, Ocho. Shiloh knows better.
Shiloh knows he can't do a situation like that. Bro, you can't hurt.

Speaker 17 He got on the helmet. So let's just say for the sake of it, you hit him.
Okay, you hit him in the head. Oh, what happened? You break your hand.

Speaker 17 You're going to get a penalty. In this situation, you got tossed.
Now, even if you do rate the rock, you do know when you get thrown out of the game, Ocho. You know, that's like

Speaker 17 $20,000, $30,000. So let's just say for the sake of argument.
Oh, yeah, yeah. How much is an ejection in the football game? It's like $25,000, $30,000.

Speaker 24 Not that much.

Speaker 17 Yeah, the hell you say.

Speaker 24 My goddamn celebrations were 25,000, 30,000. I know they ain't.

Speaker 17 But you stayed in the game.

Speaker 17 Your celebration did call you to get tossed out of a game.

Speaker 24 Yeah, I'm curious. How much is an ejection? Especially a first-time offense, too.

Speaker 24 They're going to take all that into account.

Speaker 17 Actually, like $32,000.

Speaker 24 They go, they're gonna let they're gonna let him appeal that. They're gonna let him appeal that.

Speaker 17 They'll let you appeal it

Speaker 24 offense, too. They're gonna be like,

Speaker 17 Who are you appealing it to?

Speaker 17 So, let me ask you a question. Let me ask you a question.

Speaker 17 Nah, I think it's Brooks, Derek Brooks, James Thrash, and John Runyon. So, Brooks and Thrash, and then Runyon is James Thrash, James Thrash.

Speaker 24 Oh, goddamn James Thrash, what?

Speaker 24 Hey, wait, Derek Brooks, you talk about

Speaker 17 fighting.

Speaker 17 He threw a punch.

Speaker 17 Yeah.

Speaker 17 40 for fighting,

Speaker 24 hey, hold on. You said Derek Brooks.
What's about double nickel?

Speaker 24 Yeah. Okay, I didn't know that.
Man,

Speaker 24 they gonna take care of him. They gonna take him.

Speaker 17 I mean, Brooks and Trash, they're very friendly, but some things.

Speaker 24 Yeah, I know. I know.

Speaker 17 yeah,

Speaker 17 physical contact with an official is 40,000. A second offense is 81,000.

Speaker 17 Verbal or non-physical offense with against official. So, if you're cursing or something, that's 32,000.
Next one,

Speaker 17 fighting 40,000 for the first offense, $40,686.

Speaker 17 A second offense is $81,000.

Speaker 17 So

Speaker 17 unsportsmanlike conduct.

Speaker 17 I don't, you know what? Maybe they label it unsportsmanlike conduct.

Speaker 24 Okay, maybe.

Speaker 17 But what did they call it during the game? What did they say during the game?

Speaker 17 Because

Speaker 17 if you throw a ball into the stands, that's $8,100, Ocho.

Speaker 24 What you play?

Speaker 17 Uniform.

Speaker 24 You could be throwing the ball in the stands still.

Speaker 17 I know. I ain't throw one.

Speaker 17 Chin strap, shoulder pads, thigh, knee pads,

Speaker 17 that's $5,800.

Speaker 17 Unapproved visor or tent, lack of brand marks, $5,700. Personal messages, about $11,500.

Speaker 17 Bam.

Speaker 17 Gang signs. Ooh.

Speaker 24 Gang sign.

Speaker 17 Don't do that. Don't do that.

Speaker 17 That's all I got for you, Ocho.

Speaker 24 Hey, what? Hey, that's a gang sign, too.

Speaker 17 hey that's all i got that's all i got for you but i just say look the emotions got the best of him you know you fighting for a roster spot i don't know what like i said i don't know what happened i just you know um saw the steel shots of it like

Speaker 24 so i don't know if he did this or he did that blocking him all the way down the field it seemed like yeah he you know obviously tight end came off got up on the safety and they just keep trying to drive him back drive him back and i'm assuming he tried to dump him he tried yeah he tried to dump Yeah, that's all

Speaker 24 a little rough house.

Speaker 17 And uh,

Speaker 17 we find out what they call it in the game,

Speaker 17 and I, you know,

Speaker 17 you just got to be smart in a situation like that because you are fighting for a position.

Speaker 17 Uh, you don't want to do anything that costs you position, but you know, hey, I trust me, sometimes when emotion is high, logic is low.

Speaker 17 Um,

Speaker 17 we've all done things that like we look back at like, man, why the hell I do that?

Speaker 17 Why?

Speaker 17 And Shador probably like, as he's walking to the tunnel, like,

Speaker 17 everybody, Shador, excuse me, Shiloh, everybody's going to get got.

Speaker 17 If you play long enough,

Speaker 17 somebody going to get you with a block, somebody going to pancake you, somebody gonna route your ass up, you gonna get got.

Speaker 17 It's like being in the NBA, NBA. You're gonna get dunked on.
You play long enough, you'll get dunked on.

Speaker 17 I don't care. Excuse me.
I don't care who you are. You're going to get got.

Speaker 17 Offensive lineman going to get beat. He's going to get run over.
Defensive lineman going to get blocked. He's going to get pancaked.
Quarterback going to get hit.

Speaker 17 All that's going to happen because it's the game of football. And those guys are really good that you're going against.
They're really good. I know you're really good also, but they're really good.

Speaker 17 And somebody that's really good can make somebody else that really, that's really good look bad.

Speaker 17 I don't think people realize. People just think that, oh, he's such and such.
He's supposed to win all the time. No, hell, you not.

Speaker 17 No.

Speaker 17 Even Barry Bonds, he didn't strike out often, but he did strike out. Tony Gwynn didn't strike out often, but he did strike out.
He did get nobody. Hit 500, hit 600, 700.
So obviously,

Speaker 17 but you know,

Speaker 17 I ain't really never got that mad, on you.

Speaker 17 Not the game. I mean, somebody, have somebody done some dirty stuff? Yeah.
Yeah. And I got their ass back.

Speaker 24 I mean, I'm trying to think.

Speaker 24 The only time I was about to went out for the beat Ray's ass. That's it.

Speaker 24 You heard me?

Speaker 24 You gonna beat Ray?

Speaker 24 Man, I'm out for the beat Ray all up and down MT Bank Stadium.

Speaker 24 He lucky Ed Reed grabbed me, boy.

Speaker 24 I was feeling good that day, too.

Speaker 24 Oh, you feel me?

Speaker 24 I was feeling good. I was feeling good.

Speaker 24 He ain't even know. Ray ain't even know.
Like, he hit me, right?

Speaker 24 Okay.

Speaker 17 Okay. Go ahead.
What'd you say?

Speaker 24 Ray hit me. I went for the slant.
It was too high.

Speaker 17 I knew, I saw it.

Speaker 24 And listen, my helmet went flying. So once I got my helmet,

Speaker 24 once I got my helmet, now I was getting ready to walk up on him, and he knew I was going to hit him in the stomach.

Speaker 24 So, you know, when you hit somebody in the stomach, the first thing they do is they go, they bend down.

Speaker 17 And then you'll catch him with an uppercut.

Speaker 24 Yeah. And so, I mean, listen, man, boy, I'll tell you, boy,

Speaker 24 that 52 would have been 25 when I would double rate that day, boy.

Speaker 17 I don't think you had all your bearings.

Speaker 17 I mean, I think you were, I think you was about to be the headless foot, the headless football player, because I thought your head was in that helmet.

Speaker 24 it was it was

Speaker 24 it was

Speaker 24 he could have hit his work though

Speaker 24 hey hey that's that's one of that's one of the things i miss though um like oh i know i play around a lot i make a lot of jokes i'm always laughing and stuff what you miss being able to compete Not against anybody.

Speaker 24 I'm talking about being able to compete against those Steeler teams with Ike Taylor and James Harrison and Larry Foote and Joey Porter.

Speaker 17 Oh, man.

Speaker 17 Yeah, I thought you were going to say you miss

Speaker 17 you miss getting up here.

Speaker 24 I don't mind that either. Listen, you know,

Speaker 24 I was like Gumby, Uncle I ain't care nothing about that getting hit.

Speaker 24 I got up from every single hit except one.

Speaker 24 11 years, one hit, I didn't get up. That was it.

Speaker 17 When you pop up fast, they know they got you.

Speaker 24 Now, you know, I pop up fast, talking trash, though.

Speaker 17 Every time.

Speaker 24 And it was some good days, man. I missed playing them Ravens, man, them defenses, man.

Speaker 24 Dog, that was such a joy. Such a joy.
Because

Speaker 24 you had no choice but to show up, huh?

Speaker 24 There's no weakness. There was no weakness nowhere.
Nowhere.

Speaker 17 Yeah.

Speaker 17 Division games are always tough.

Speaker 24 Second level was good. Secondary was good.
And here go my crazy.

Speaker 24 I'm talking trash all week long to take all the pressure off of everybody else on our team. So all the pressure was on me.
Now, all y'all got to do is just go out there and just do your job.

Speaker 17 Nah, because they cheap shotting everybody. Man, why are you cheap? Man, because tell Sharp to say, shut up.

Speaker 17 Okay.

Speaker 17 Man, Sharp, leave alone. You ain't got to block him.
Well, you need to block better.

Speaker 24 Yeah, I enjoyed it that way, man.

Speaker 25 I don't know why, man.

Speaker 17 I know.

Speaker 17 Look, you know what?

Speaker 17 I bet you Time called him from the, I bet you Time called Shiloh in the locker room. Of course.

Speaker 24 Man, what is you, man? What is you doing, boy?

Speaker 17 That's exactly what. Come on, now.
What are you doing?

Speaker 17 Really, son? You think, so let me ask you a question. You hit him.
You think you hurt him? You think there was a greater chance you hurt your own self or you hurt him? You could hurt him.

Speaker 17 You hurt your own self, your own team, or you hurt him or his team.

Speaker 17 Because that's how, you know, there's a.

Speaker 17 I don't know if he like, he ain't really no, time ain't really no yeller. He's more of a talker and a stern and a stern way to get his pornographs.

Speaker 17 Me, I'm like, bro,

Speaker 17 come on, what are you doing? Really?

Speaker 17 You thought that was your answer?

Speaker 17 The man done drove you like a Winnebago.

Speaker 17 So now you mad because you couldn't get him up off you.

Speaker 17 You take a swipe at him.

Speaker 17 Oh, man.

Speaker 17 Hey, Shiloh, you'll get the weight room, bro. Them guys, them guys big, them tight ends.
Hey, you know, I was just strong, but I wasn't, you know, I was 228.

Speaker 17 Them guys now, them tight ends now, they 6'4, 6'5 ⁇ , 250, 260.

Speaker 17 Hey, you got to drop anger on them, Shiloh.

Speaker 17 Get off of me.

Speaker 17 The hell you think you just...

Speaker 24 And Prime got to be careful because Shiloh will hit him back with you was the same one out there fighting with Andre Rising. So how you sitting there telling me about

Speaker 24 you was at that

Speaker 17 man?

Speaker 17 Bad, I remember that.

Speaker 17 He's like, He tried to show, he tried to show out in my house. You can't come to my house.
I was going at it, boy.

Speaker 24 But they were going at it.

Speaker 17 I think Dre forgot that time was left-handed.

Speaker 17 Yeah, yeah, he was looking for the right, and Ty would kill it with the left.

Speaker 17 I think that's what happened. See, that will get you Ocho, because you think most of the time, and I think most people are right-handed.
What's the percentage of right-handed people?

Speaker 17 It ain't no 50-50 like a coin flip. It's got to be like 70-30,

Speaker 17 right to the lefty.

Speaker 17 And so you automatically assume somebody right-handed. And so you looking for that right, and he just copped it upside your head with a cop, cop, cop.

Speaker 17 And see, the thing was, time was smart. See, time

Speaker 17 wasn't punching me. Ty want to

Speaker 17 break his hand.

Speaker 24 Open, open.

Speaker 17 Ty was open-handed.

Speaker 17 But

Speaker 17 I think Shiloh learned. I mean, hey, you're like, hey,

Speaker 17 hopefully, he makes the squad and he can get the, because this thing of you on the practice squad, Ocho, you ain't making $40,000 a week. They're going to take your first three weeks going to the NFL.

Speaker 17 You're going to be all right.

Speaker 17 You're going to be all right.

Speaker 17 Like,

Speaker 17 and that's what's what's amazing that's what the the thing is is that uh

Speaker 17 those finds man they a

Speaker 17 like damn i could have used that 40 000 too

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