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But first, Ocho, but first, should do our

final preseason game.

He was 306, 14 yards, 41 yards lost on five sacks.

I know you watched this game as I did.

I want to hear what you have to say first.

Well, first of all, listen, George Sanders didn't play bad.

Chat, those that follow me on Twitter, you happy?

There it is.

He didn't play well.

He didn't play well.

He played bad.

Obviously, he stunk it up.

But

let me clarify why he

let me give you a little insight.

So he comes in in the third quarter.

Am I correct, Unc?

It was the third quarter.

About then.

Okay, boom.

So the players that are playing in the third quarter,

excuse me if I'm wrong.

You can do your homework.

Will those players make the 53-man roster, Unk?

A lot of them will not.

A lot of them will not make the 52-man roster.

Exactly.

So again, I'm all for quarterback competition, but if you're going to put him in a situation that is not advantageous to him and competing at a high level, boom.

Let's give him a chance.

Let's give him a chance with the play calling.

You know, you have an offensive line that isn't playing that well.

So what do we do?

Why not just play the short game so we can get the ball out of his hands very fast to run a competent goddamn offense.

Purposely running plays that are 10, 12, 15 yard routes, knowing damn well the goddamn offensive line is not going to be able to hold up.

is ridiculous.

It's clear.

Funk, I played football for a very long time.

I played NFL at a very high level for a very, very long time.

I understand in a situation like that, when it comes to the threes and fours that you're playing with that aren't going to be, that aren't going to be on the squad and not going to make the team give your quarterback a chance.

Okay, you know what?

You know they can't hold up that long.

Let's play quick game.

Let's play quick game just against Shador in a goddamn rhythm.

But no, you come out calling regular offensive plays that are very long, damn near play action, damn near play action if he was under center, knowing they take a while to develop, knowing good and goddamn well the o-line and the people you have out there right now are not going to be able to hold up outside of that shoulder has to be better in understanding that the offensive line that you're working with right now is not adequate get the ball out your hands get the ball out your hand but he's holding the ball for one reason he's holding the ball because the goddamn players aren't open

He's waiting for things to develop, which is why he's holding the ball and trying to make something happen by holding on to it, by scrambling, moving, obviously running out of area, running out of real estate, and being sacked.

I'm not sure what game you guys are watching.

Again, I state Shadura did play bad.

He did.

But why he played bad is clear as day if you understand the game of football and what he had to work with.

Kevin Safanski, not letting Shadura come back in the game to finish the two-minute drill.

Oh, I've never seen that before.

I've never in my life, never in my life, ever have seen anything like that before.

What are we doing?

What are we doing?

No disrespect to Snoop Huntley.

Snoop is probably not going to be on the team.

He's probably not going to be on the team.

So I'm not sure what you were waiting to look.

Snoop was on the team simply because quarterbacks were injured.

So they brought in the extra body.

Why not allow the players that are competing for a job?

In this instance, Shador Sanders, to finish off the two-minute drill.

What are we doing?

Who makes that call?

He makes that call.

Why?

Because I want the last thing people to see.

I want

the last thing for people to remember

is the mistakes and the sacks that happen and not give him a chance to redeem himself.

Because I think probably what would have happened.

Okay, we can't have Shador come in here and finish this two-minute drive and go down and get a touchdown.

We don't want that.

So we're going to leave him on the sideline.

So these are bad tastes in those mouths.

So now there's nothing that they can say.

There's nothing that they can say because now you got a small sample size of him playing with people that are probably not going to be on the team.

And their body on Twitter is going to say

former.

Man, come on, man.

But okay,

I can't wait to hear your piece.

And in chat, for those of you who are listening and watching, I'm not making an excuses for him.

He played bad.

He played bad.

But I can tell you why he played bad.

I mean, if you know the game of football and understand the game of football, understand that those that are in there with him during that time, i'm not going to be able to see

go ahead man

i agree with everything you said

he did play bad and

you and i we come out here and we on we're on we talk four or five nights a week sometimes six nights a week we've gone six straight nights we've gone nine straight days before and what we do we tell it like it is ti like my grandma say boy tell it like it ti s t is we tell it like it is shadur did not play well today he played awful everything that you said is true.

Shadur, you know this offensive line is not competent enough to give you protection.

And I understand it says, oh, Cho, I'm in competition.

I saw what Dylan Gabriel did with the guys that's probably going to be on the team.

I'm trying to match that.

But what happened is that they didn't give him the necessary pieces in order to match this.

If you want me to fight, if you want me to win a war, give me the weapons.

You can't expect me to win a modern war with muskets and cannons.

They use drones now.

They use stuff with precision, pinpoint accuracy.

So you're expecting me to win a modern game and you're giving me old time.

That won't work.

So Shadur has to do a better job of getting the ball out of his hands.

Oh, Joe, he has some time.

It's okay.

Coach, hey, that ain't my game.

That's Lamar Jackson.

That's

Josh Allen.

That's Jalen Hurts.

That's their game.

Buying time like that.

Shadur has in a pocket.

He can move side to side, but

he doesn't have that ability, that escapability

like these other quarterbacks, like I put the board mentioned, I mentioned.

I don't understand

why you would let Snoop Huntley take the two-minute, unless he's going to be one of the four quarterbacks that's going to be on your roster.

You give that to Shadur.

I agree with what you said because you said, look, we've seen guys play bad, be great in a two-minute drill, and you forget they've played bad the entirety of the game.

I don't know what's inside Kevin Stefanski head.

Maybe he's like, hey, I wanted Snoop, you know,

we're going to end up releasing him.

And, you know, we wanted him to go, look, Snoop Huntley's been in the league four or five years.

He started several games for the Ravens when Lamar Jackson was hurt.

Hell, he started

a postseason game.

So this notion that you doing him some type of favor favor when the man has been in the league four or five years, he started six, seven games in his career, he started a postseason game

is just disingenuous.

With all that being said, I agree the offensive line wasn't very good.

And the one thing that a coach used to always tell me, he'd say, son, don't make a bad play worse.

You see your offensive line break down Shador, don't make a bad play worse.

Don't run around and lose five.

Don't lose 10.

He got sacked five times, lost 41 yards.

Fumble the ball.

Come on.

You got to be better than that.

And I understand when you're in competition, Ocho, I'm trying to compete.

So I'm going to scratch, claw, and do whatever I think is necessary that's going to help me put me in an advantageous situation so I can compete, so I can win.

But

I don't get

what they did, why they did it.

Some things is not for some things is offered without explanation.

Some things you and I can't explain.

Even though

with the 30 plus years between us of NFL experience and the number of Pro Bowls and all pros, both of us are in our team's respective ring of fame.

Some things we just can't answer because we is not in Kevin Stefanski's heads.

We don't.

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Here it is, Ocho.

Here's Kevin Stefanski not letting Shadua run the two-minute drill at the end of the grain at the the end of the game with the Browns.

Let's take a listen to what he had to say.

Kevin, it was obviously a bit of a rough second half for Shador and the Brown and the entire Browns offense, but why didn't you keep paying it for a two-minute drill?

Why did you decide to put Tylenol?

Yeah, obviously, we didn't play great as an offense in the second half.

That's never on one person.

So

we can be better in a bunch of areas.

And just felt like we wanted to give Snoop a last drive.

Did Shador have something wrong with him after the game?

He's bad.

Yeah, he's good.

He walked up to you after taking his walk down to the pylon, and then he walked back up to you on the sidelines before

Snoop went in, and he said something to you.

You shook your head.

I mean, was he trying to get back in the middle?

He's a repetitive kid.

The plan was to go with Snoop there,

but I wouldn't make any more of it than that.

Yeah, he's like, Coach,

let me get this last one.

Give me an opportunity.

Now we're good.

We're going to take a look at this.

They know what they're doing.

They know what they're doing.

Listen, a blind man can see that.

A blind man can see that.

Again, for those of you in the chat,

listen, I'm not taking it for him.

I'm going to say it again.

And I reiterated,

Shador Sanders played bad.

Based on the circumstances and the situation he was put in and the weapons around him and the offensive line that he had to deal with that probably won't be on the 53-man roster.

That's exactly what you would look like.

You could have put Tom Brady out there

with that offensive line.

He would have looked the exact same way.

You could have put Patrick Mahomes out there with that offensive line in that third quarter, in the second half.

He would have looked the exact same way.

Kevin Stefansky saying, we didn't play well in the second half.

Well, yeah.

I mean, obviously.

You didn't call plays well in the second half.

This is what Derrick Carr had to say.

I need to understand

why we don't get to see Shadua run this two-minute drill.

Wouldn't you want to see your young quarterback operate in this situation, get him more reps for the future?

I didn't see the whole game, so maybe he already showed enough.

Help me understand this.

Jerome Aiden rep, so Kevin Stefans can give Dylan Gabriel easy short throws with max protection and then give Shadur bulljive plays with an O-line that looked like they just ate a gang of little Debbies.

F, you Browns.

Trade Shadura.

Did you hear the key word?

As soon as I stated that he played well and the first thing I said, what you just read, he gave Dylan Gabriel short throws to get himself in rhythm to get the ball out of his hands.

And then in the second half, the play calls were much longer routes that took time to develop, and they know good and well that the offensive line wouldn't be able to hold up.

The only reason a quarterback holds on to the ball, sometimes it's coverage sacks, sometimes it's waiting for receivers to get downfield for routes to develop.

And they know good and well.

Like, you know, good and well, it wasn't going to work.

You have an NFL quarterback, an experienced quarterback that's pointing it out.

Exactly what I said.

I didn't even know.

I didn't even know Derek Carr tweeted that.

I didn't even know.

But I'm just sitting here watching them like, what are we doing?

What are we doing

as a coach?

as a head coach, as a coaching staff.

I mean,

if it's a quarterback competition, put the players in advantageous situations and give them a chance to succeed.

It's simple.

It's something like you would do on Sunday.

When Joe Flacco goes out there week one against the Cincinnati Bengals, they're going to put him in positions to succeed every quarter, every down.

It is just the way the game is played.

You play to win the game.

I mean,

I don't understand.

I don't understand.

Mike Hill, I hope Shadur will eventually end up on a good roster with a coach who wants and believes in him.

It's so obvious this league and even the Browns, in a sense, have been trying to send a message to him since the draft, and it's downright disgusting.

Like I said, I co-sign.

I agree with everything that you said.

The play was not adequate enough, and Shadura has to get to a point in time.

And that's always been his knock.

We said this when he was in college.

He holds on to the ball too long.

You're not going to make every play.

The sooner he gets that in his head, the sooner he comes to that realization, the better off he's going to be.

Do not make a bad play worse.

Ocho, if you, the worst thing you could do, Ocho, if I run a

wrong route, is drop the ball when you throw it to me.

Damn, son, the least you can do is catch it.

You look effed up to play you're someplace you're not supposed to be.

Son, if you if if you if you if you jump offside, son just go just go ahead maybe maybe they missed it but don't make a bad play worse

and

you block the wrong guy and then you end up holding well damn son

shador just feed your process up yes the offensive line wasn't adequate yes the receivers

Give him the plays that you gave him against Carolina.

Let him get the ball out of his hands.

Let him let

in a situation like that,

you let the offense, you let the receivers help you.

You put the ball in their hands and says, okay, son, go get four, five yards out the catch.

As opposed to taking a five-step drop and trying to push the ball down the field.

That is my synopsis of what I saw.

Hopefully now, Joe, hopefully, preseasons is over.

We can stop having these conversations.

Joe Flacco is the starting quarterback.

Now we need to stop asking these questions.

When are we going to see Shador?

Because you're not going to see Joe Flacco something happens to him.

if they keep four quarterbacks it's going to be joe flacco it's going to probably be uh i don't know hell the way it looks look like dylan gabriel might be two now kenny pickett might be three and you know what you know what also what also i'm not saying it scares me but it it worries me if they've already made a decision if their mind is already made up as an organization as a head coach has them coming out and saying what he said uh two weeks ago about the pick not being his and Andrew Berry standing by his side and standing by his pick.

And for Andrew Berry to have to witness what he saw today, someone that is very intelligent, very intelligent to be in a position of power that he's in and to witness what he witnessed today.

I'm thinking also, if the decision's already been made to release Shador or to cut him in any way, shape, form, or fashion, what scares me is him going to another team.

And will team be willing to be able to deal with someone with the last name Sanders that brings the kind of tension to a team that he does and he's not even a starting quarterback.

You understand what I'm saying?

Because

that brings a totally different dynamic to a team where it takes away from

whoever the starting quarterback is

being Shadur now coming in and being on that team.

You get where I'm going with it.

Now, it's that

he didn't create, but it just comes with the Sanders last name in general.

That's a lot of oxygen being taken up out of the room for a guy that's not playing.

That's what you're saying.

The Browns' general manager, Andrew Berry, told the NFL network, keeping four quarterbacks, not much of a decision.

We have a room that we like and all the guys in there.

We don't really see that as a problem.

We more see it as an opportunity.

Ocho, my thing is, why are you keeping four quarterbacks when clearly one of the quarterbacks you don't actually believe in?

I know Andrew Berry and Mr.

Hassam, I know they be going at it, boy.

Because it's not like their there's sentimentality sometimes ocho we hold on to things that have sentimental value to us oh man ocho i had this thing so long i just can't let it go you know but but when there's no sentimentality to it there's no attachment to it you just drafted a guy you drafted a guy in the fifth round why are you holding on to it If you believe he was that good, you would have given him a better opportunity to show you what he can do.

From what I could deduce and from what I've read,

I've never read anything or saw anything that Shador Sanders took refs with the ones or the twos, except

when Gabriel got hurt and then he took that, they were playing that Friday and he took refs that Wednesday and Thursday.

Other than that, excuse me.

Prior to that, there was not a situation where I read what Mary Kay Cabot was writing and I read what others had written that I saw that Shador Sanders had taken refs with the ones and twos.

So if he's not taking ones and twos, and you would think after what he did in the Carolina game, that's normally what happens, chat.

I'm telling you what normally happens when a guy, if he's down on the depth chart and he plays good in a preseason game, they normally come in and that practice back, he's like, I want to see what the guy can do with the ones and the twos.

No matter the position, be it quarterback, running back, wide receiver, O-line, D-line, linebacker, cornerback.

I'm telling you, that's normally how it works.

You're talking to a guy that was in a very similar situation.

And y'all say, well, you always inserting yourself.

I'm inserting myself because I'm telling you, I was in a situation like Shador.

He was a fifth rounder.

I was a seventh rounder.

I was like sixth or seventh on the depth chart.

So I played good in the preseason game, won't you?

Guess what?

Next thing I know, hey,

at the time I was 81 sharp.

Cool with the

backup quarterback, and he called me Greasy.

He said, Greasy, they put you with the the ones and the twos today.

So, hey, make sure you're ready.

You need to know anything.

Ask me.

I don't know why, but seven and cool always took a liking to me.

They always took a liking to me.

Cool, we come into the game and practice, Ocho.

He's like, Greezy, you know what you got?

I said, nah, not really.

He said, you got X, Y, blah, blah, blah.

Yeah, I'm telling you,

just like this.

He said, Greasy, look, it's going to be cover two.

Take the hole.

Greezy, it's going to be single high high safety.

Run to seven.

It's going to be this.

Hook it up.

15 yards, hook it up.

Show me your letters.

I'm going to get you the ball.

Hey, let's go.

Let's, hey, let's go make some money today.

He was always like that in my ear.

So it gave me confidence that, damn, this man, he don't, hey, I'm a rookie and he's helping me.

He's working with me.

Hey,

seven with the exact same way.

But once I played good in the game with him, guess what?

Now I come back on Monday, Ocho.

I went to twos.

I didn't get into the fourth quarter because they want to see what you can do with the starters.

Okay, if he did this with some backup, let's see if we put him with the one and twos.

Let's see if he can do that again.

Maybe it was because he's going against guys that's not going to be there, but let's see if he can compete against guys that we know are going to be there on Sunday.

So this is a very similar situation with Shadur.

I would have thought, you would have thought, because we had this conversation, Ocho, he's going to get some

So we thought based on our experience and what happens when you play well.

But listen, outside of that, Joe Flacco, that boy looked good.

He looked good.

Dylan Gabriel came in.

God damn, Dylan Gabriel looked good.

Very efficient.

Passes coming out.

Everything sharp.

Went down, touched down.

And then, you know, obviously, 12 didn't play good today.

He didn't.

And I've said it over and over.

For those in the chat, I know we have our Shadur haters do who don't who don't like him he didn't play well you can you hear me but and most of those most of those that are hating too honk they they don't they don't they don't watch football they don't understand football they don't understand the ins and outs and what

the intricacies of football

that you understand that played the game

understand the nuances

we see it we see it clear as day but they just on it oh he played bad he's ass he sucked he's a fifth rounder he's not that good well of course yes based on what you saw today

but i'm i'm we're trying to tell you why it looked that way but that's neither here nor there it is what it is they made their decision they had to lie in the bed with it so listen i'm i'm i'm happy for them

this is why i watch the game with no sound

I don't want someone to contaminate my mind and I regurgitate what somebody else said.

also the reason why i watch fans are only interested in the end result i'm trying to figure out why we got said result it's not good enough that they scored a touchdown i need to know why let me see the formation let me see what the guy did let me see the defensive coverage was it just a great route did he just beat sometimes ocho you just beat the guy Some and that's okay.

You get paid.

He gets paid.

Sometimes Ocho just going to win because Ocho was just the better player.

Sometimes the defensive back is going to win.

He wins some, you win more than

you lose.

Sometimes, who blew the assignment?

Was it the safety?

Was he getting greedy, paying attention to the tight end on the over when he should have been deep middle?

Did the corner?

Why did he,

did he not shovel the receiver down inside and sink?

Why was he still so far?

Why was he so close up when there's nothing to threaten the flat i'm analyzing all of that it's just not good enough for me to know that they scored i'm trying to see why they scored and then i'm gonna tell you based on my experience having played the game having studied the game this is what i think happened

so ocho and i what we're trying to do i'm we're not making excuses for shadur Shadur has to do a better job of not making a bad situation worse.

Hey, I was so confused tonight, too.

Let me tell you something.

I really, I really do this.

And I've watched the game for a long time.

So I thought maybe I'm tripping.

Maybe I'm tripping based on what I'm seeing.

And maybe I'm not seeing it correctly.

Hell, I picked up the phone.

I called TJ.

I call who I call Hoosh.

And I'm like, Whoosh,

am I tripping?

Or did I see what I thought I just saw?

When 12 went in the game.

He's like, yeah.

Yeah.

You can tell that was a bunch of, you know what?

You know, TJ, TJ don't care.

He just, he just go off.

He just runs off the road off the rock on the phone.

Yeah.

Why would you put him in that situation?

I say, okay, I just want to, if I heard it from you and I know how you, you know, how TJ, he's going to tell it like it is.

He knows he don't care.

And okay, I just want to make sure I wasn't tripping.

I just want to make sure I wasn't

hearing it from another mouth that actually played the goddamn game, the receiver position, that also knows the game extremely well, all the intricacies that come with it.

Okay, boom.

I know I wasn't tripping.

No.

And the thing that I hate is that you keep him buried.

Now, hey, Ocho, maybe you keep him and he gives reps because when you're in the practice squad, now you're going to get reps because you're going to get reps

because you practicing the other guy's stuff.

Because so because I because when they hold a card up, oh, Joe, you, you, I mean, you did, you red fuck out because you want to.

They hold the card up.

And so they got the plays drawn up and they circle where they want the ball to go.

So they're telling me, hey,

this is our Fox 2 X and Y hook.

This is our 25 dagger.

This is our double square out.

This is our comeback.

They're telling us what this play is in our terminology.

So there's no mistaking.

Okay, sometimes the D coordinator will say, come in here, A, put a little extra sauce on it.

Because this receiver has like he got he got some real good A, he got some shake on him now.

He ain't just

down there, break down.

No, no, no.

He studied A.

He hezzy at the line, and then he go

stop on the dime.

So give us some of that.

Hey, quarterback, run around a little bit.

We play junior sayout.

Offensive coordinate, Coobe and Mike would tell, tell Burke, Keith Burns was normalized junior sayout.

He say, go wherever you want to go.

If you're supposed to be in the A gap,

go in the C gap.

Do whatever you, hey, you got no responsibility.

If you're supposed to blitz, drop in pass coverage because that's exactly what Junior would do.

He had no idea what the hell he was going to do.

And so

that's how he played it.

I'm like, bro, what?

Hey, you were supposed to blitz.

He said, nah, I ain't want to blitz.

Hey, that was so funny.

Hey, hey, what's the name?

Told me some stories about Junior man.

Hey, buddy.

Hey, buddy.

Hey, buddy.

Buddy.

That's it.

That's his word.

That's his buddy.

Hey, buddy.

Hey, buddy.

Oh, man.

Everybody was buddy.

I don't think he ever called anybody by their name.

The coaches was buddy.

The offense, if you played offense, you were buddy.

If you played defense, you was buddy.

Hey, buddy.

Oh, hey, it was so funny.

I think.

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what's the the coach of alabama uh his name's in my mind save

at the time if i'm not mistaken uh it's when you know um i think that's when um

god wise nameship

roddie brown all those guys were there at the time.

Was that right?

And

Shannon Crowder was telling me a story.

They came out for practice.

They came out for practice.

And Junior Seyal didn't have on his cleats.

He had on regular shoes.

And Nick Saber must have told him, must have told him, hey,

you got your regular shoes on.

You're not going to go change?

He said, nah, buddy.

I'm going to practice like this today.

And it was so funny that

he told the story, man.

Oh, my goodness.

But he was hilarious

all right joining us on the show now we'll break him in we'll welcome in pro bowler last year uh he's a pro bowler he's number 80 on this year's nfl top 100.

um you were 50 last year uh rashan uh despite making the pro bowl last year they have you down 30 spots I want to know what is Rashawn Gary going to do to get back into that top 50, get back into that top 30, maybe even get up into the top 20.

Well, y'all go and see in two weeks.

you know we got a great home opener

let's go yeah you know got great home opener you know against the lions uh nfc uh you know rivalry uh so it's a nice way to start the season uh i just want my work to show yeah so i i got a quick question for you camp is over now obviously uh i'm sure you guys have a week to to work on some things Packers versus Packers before you get into a game plan and scheme for week one.

How was camp for you?

How's the body holding up?

How do you feel?

Are you going into camp healthy?

Oh, yeah, no, this is,

yeah, it's crazy.

Cause I was just talking to, you know, my teammate Kenny about it.

I'm like, you know, going into year seven, it's one of the, you know, the healthiest camps that I have.

So, you know, I'm feeling good, you know, from OTAs all the way through now.

I've been putting in a great body at work.

And now it's just time to, you know, put it on display.

Yes, sir.

Yes, sir.

You guys don't play a game for another two weeks.

Is Coach LaFleur going to to give you guys

some time off?

Are you back on Monday or do you get Sunday?

You get Monday.

You guys are back in there Tuesday.

Are you going to get a little time off before you have to hit it and start getting ready for the Lions in two weeks?

Yeah, you know, we got a couple practices coming up next week, but, you know, we got the weekend off and then back to work on Sunday.

Damn, y'all back to work on Sunday already?

Damn, I figure Coach LaFleur will give y'all a couple of days off.

You're like, well, damn, Cole,

we had a

a good uh camp

the packers your defense i mean you mentioned kenny clark i'm assuming you're talking about kenny clark um

now you lost your cornerback your all-pro cornerback you trade uh you released him and he ends up going to baltimore how do you guys because you guys have shown spots where you guys are dominant I'm talking about dominant.

You attack the quarterback, you stop the run, you turn the team over, you give your offense shortfields.

How do you stay consistent in doing that, Rasha?

Yeah, just holding our standard.

Everybody got through their 111.

And throughout OTAs, especially, you know, being year two and, you know, a coach half system, it's been crazy watching everybody fly to the ball, tack the ball, and actually being on one accord, you know, talking about first, all the way up to fourth down, get back on track downs.

We all on the same page, all speaking the same language.

And, you know, it's been good seeing it.

For you guys, especially the Packers, opening up with a game like this against the Lions is a good test for you guys defensively, obviously, obviously, whether it be on the ground, whether it be in the air, because you understand the dynamic and how special the Lions offense is.

Even with Ben Johnson leaving, they still have all those weapons, you know, Jameer Gibbs and Montgomery, you know, the receivers on the outside, tight end.

Your thought process going into it early so far, what is it that you think you guys need to do to win that game come week one from a defense standpoint?

I already know what you guys can do on offense.

Defensively, can you be able to hold them?

I'm not sure what the Lions finish when it comes to scoring, but you know they can put up points.

Yeah, absolutely.

Just like I was saying, we've been doing a great job through OTAs and campaign, being on the same page, speaking the same language, understanding what teams want to do to us, especially our offense in these last couple's joint practices, really being on the same page of how these offensive teams want to attack us, understanding our weak points.

And I'm saying when 1-11 know that, we understand how to protect it.

So just basically being on the same page.

And when it comes to, you know, that game right at three o'clock, we got to be locked in, focused, and I want to record how we've been and just having fun.

No.

Okay, one more question, huh?

One more question.

Go ahead.

I know your team goals.

You got team goals, obviously, from a defensive perspective, team goals, offensive and decently.

Obviously, the main goal, you want to be in San Francisco at the end of the season, first week of February.

But personal goals, your personal goals yourself that you will want to achieve.

Can you share those with us?

You know, whatever it may be.

Yeah, I could just show you my, you know, share a little into my mindset, man.

Just trying to be dominant, man.

I've been training in the hardest offseason.

Really just trying to take over.

Like I said, one through fourth downs, man.

That's what I'm playing for.

I'm really just trying to show everybody, you know, how dominant I can be.

Rashawn, you're the vet now.

There's no more Aaron Rodgers.

There is no more Zahir Alexander.

You're one of the old guards now.

So now, how has your leadership style changed?

Because guess what you're one of the senior voices now yeah uh you know it's been great man it's something that's you know you always pray for ask for and um you know it's crazy you know we got rookies coming in talking about I used to watch you before my high school games I'm like man I'm

yeah so you know it's kind of weird but I've been having I've been having fun and Green Bay been doing a great job especially from when I came in with the guys they had ahead of me being able to keep it real with me especially a big guy to me was Mercedes Lewis so you know talking to him how to take care of my body things like that So when, you know, young guys come up to me, asking me how to film study, what to look for, things like that, I'm able just to keep it real because I had a good OG.

But, man, it's just been fun, man.

I'm really a Levi, you know, example.

And if I need to speak, I get there.

But then also I started to learn that, you know, you can't talk to everybody the same way.

You know, you got to understand, you know, everybody's background.

Even we know everybody's background, you know, why everybody's in it.

And I feel like, you know, this offseason, especially through OTA's camp, you know, I've been able to understand people why.

So when it do get time, you know, two minute drill, the fourth quarter when we got lock-in you know i could i could hit those points yeah hey what what's it what's what's it what's it like there in green bay is there anything to do is there is it fun

uh

you know it's chill calm play football yeah play football man and focus man uh

man it's chill calm green bay you know slept on but you know it's a great community and it's well love

okay okay

yeah Yeah, I mean, you got Milwaukee, you got Chicago.

That's a couple.

That's 90 minutes away.

You got Milwaukee.

That's 90 minutes away.

So, but it's easy to play.

My brother played there for seven years, Rashawn.

And then, you know, going to visit him, you can see why they had success in the 60s.

Ain't nothing else to do.

There was less to do then than there is now, but you can understand why the Packers have success.

There's not a whole lot to get into.

There's not a whole lot of trouble.

There's not a, look, if you, Appleton is down the way, but that's a college town.

Like I mentioned, Milwaukee, but hell, Milwaukee closed down at 10.30.

You ain't really trying to drive way to Chicago.

You ain't really trying to drive way to Chicago to have a good time.

Hey, when you're there for those months, when you come back for training camp and you're there, hey, bro, let's make the best of this situation.

We can get tunnel vision.

We can lock in.

Let's try to go compete and win a super.

And that's the mindset, and that's how it's always been being a Green Bay Packer.

Let me ask you this.

Is there a play?

That you replay?

Is there a almost sack?

Is there almost a ball that was on the ground that you damn, if I could have just got this one, it would have helped is there a play that you replay in your mind since you've been in green bay that you're like man if i'd have made that play that'd have been a difference in the game uh

to be honest with you now off the top of my head but uh you know i played too hard to give it up man like i said i'm going on year seven and like a lot of guys i talk to you know you can't take it for granted and right now i'm in some crucial years where i feel like you know i could take off and start extending in the right way

Hey,

it's flying by, huh?

Do you realize you're in year seven already?

It went by fast, didn't it?

Yeah, it's going by fast.

It's going by fast.

Like I said, I'm trying to stay in the moment and, you know, enjoy the ride.

Oh, yeah.

It is because you look up and you're going to be in year 10.

And because, you know, you're like, man, let me get five.

And you say, well, let me get to 10.

And then once you get to 10, you're like, let me take a year at a time.

But before you know it, I mean, I woke up one morning.

I'm like, damn, I'm in year 10.

And next thing you know, hey, calling Mike said, hey, this is it for me, bro.

I'm done.

It goes fast.

And that's why I tell guys, man enjoy it make sure you're training you're eating your prep everything because you don't want to have not one iota of regret because regret when you leave this game you can't go back

and so to have that moment of regret for the rest of your life it'll eat at you so when you done rash on when you say hey green bay hey lafleur or you uh gounikins or whomever you got a call that says i'm done hopefully you finish your career in green bay you're like you look back like man i gave it everything i had the way i trained the way i slept the way i practiced the way i met the everything

i walk away my head held my head held high

knowing i couldn't have got anything else out of the talent that god blessed me with

it's a good one right here too but it's it's a good one so i think about obviously during my playing days and some of the players that i looked up to at the at the same position obviously while we're still playing i would i would watch their film and study some of the things that they that they did and still you know steal some of their moves, no matter what, just to be able to add to my game to improve year to year.

Who are some players that play the exact same position you do that you look up to and watch their film to see what they do where you can add to your toolbox as well?

Yeah, with me, it's funny, but I like going throwbacks.

So, you know, I like throwing on Julius Peppers.

Yeah, Julius Peppers.

That's a good one.

Yeah, Julius Peppers.

I love Tom Ali when he was in the Kansas City Chiefs doing the state.

Yeah, Justin Houston.

You know, those are guys that I feel like I rest similar to.

And then nowadays,

you know, you throw on, you know, Miles Garrett.

You get you, you know, been in the edge off of, you know, TJ Watt.

But I ain't going to lie, this year.

A speed to power.

But, you know, this year I've been doing a lot of watching myself, man.

Yeah.

I like it.

Yeah.

That's dope.

Let me ask you this, because what you and I was talking and how we approach the game of football, how we approach as a wide receiver.

When you go into a game, obviously you're trying to get to the quarterback, but everything leads to something else.

I'm showing him one thing, but that's not really what I want to do.

I'm giving him this, but I really want to do that.

But I'm saving it for a rainy day because I know it's going to come a third down in this fourth quarter.

And I know, hey, I've been running up the field the whole game.

And I know, A,

I know I've been stabbing you the whole game.

Hey, I've been posting and wiping you away the whole game.

And know you, I know you finna sit on that because that's what I've given you.

I've given you no reason to prepare for anything else.

Is that how you approach the rush game?

Is that, look, I'm doing what I can, but I know I got to have this in my back pocket when I absolutely got to get this quarterback on the ground.

Yeah, shoot.

You know, thing about pass rushes and every pass rusher I talk to, man, you.

you know, all the great ones, you really got about four moves in the toolbox.

And at the end of the day, it's really about reacting to what the, you know, the offensive lineman wants you to do.

But once you get off the ball the certain way and you, you know, got them thinking, oh, he about to stab him, about to stab him.

Yeah, I stabbed you the first four or five, maybe six rushes.

But, you know, that third, you know, crucial down, you know, third and ten, third and eight, we got to get off the field.

I'm about to sit you down, hit the edge.

But yeah,

it's a game.

It's a game within the longevity.

Y'all both know that.

It's a beautiful thing to watch the guys, because, you know,

I'm a lot older than you.

I'm probably the age of your dad, but the pass rushes, to watch DT, how he got up the edge and bent the edge.

He reminds me of Von Miller.

And then I see Reggie White, how he just had pure power.

He just, hey, he just getting on the edge and he gonna hump you.

You already know what's coming.

You can sit down as much as you want to.

You 330 and try to sit on it.

You're gonna get humped.

He's gonna throw a 330-pound man like he's a sack of potatoes.

And then you get a guy like a Bruce Smith that's 265, 270 all out like a miles garrett playing on a five technique and you're like bro how this man bend the edge like that how can he lean he could he's this high off the ground

i'm like how how did he do that

i'm watching you you're you you you got a lot of power i see the way i see the way you're built from waist down and the way you could you can post a guy

Wax on, wax him off.

You can also bend the edge.

As you mentioned, you can convert speed to power because you can't it's all about getting off the ball once i get off the ball you at my mercy bro i as long as i'm not lazy off the ball

hey it's gonna be a good night you absolutely right

so let me ask you a question a lot of guys will listen to the TV version.

They'll get the TV version and they'll try to pick up the quarterback's cadence.

Blues 17.

Blues 17.

Ready said.

Do you do things like that?

Try to pick up the audio copy.

Try to pick up the cadence.

Shoot, I'm in the, you know, the quarterback.

I'm into the quarterback cadence.

I'm also into it.

I'm heavy on the office and line talk.

The office and line is going to tell you everything.

They're going to let you know if it's run, you know, how loud they communicate.

How you sit in eyes, body language.

yeah i i'm into it all but uh especially once i hear the officer lineman uh you know talking they kind of be able to you know from for my reason everything i'm kind of able to pick it up and play faster

especially when you at home because it's hard for them to hear so they've got to communicate and as much as he's trying to look at you he gotta look but now they kind of hold hands a little bit but he still got to kind of look inside and hey All you all you need is a all you need is a half a step.

That's all you need.

It ain't no, hey, ain't ain't no, look, these guys are good.

You ain't just finna just beat these guys.

But that half a step that you get, that you get on the edge, and once you get them shoulders, hey, once he turned.

Tell me.

Bro, you're not finna ride me up the field.

I'm finna get skinny and I'm finna get narrow because I'm finna get the quarterback on the ground.

So

before the 2019 draft, you funded your own sports agency, the Rashawn Gary Sports.

What inspired inspired you to do something like this?

Going to Michigan, being able to sit in our Ross Business School, had a couple of classes.

I was blessed and fortunate to have a couple of classes in there.

And just, you know, actually talk about business models, marketing.

I actually got to talk about life after football.

And it's something that I really never thought about.

And I'm like, you know, we could be real.

Football is the biggest thing.

This is not going to stop.

It's only going to get bigger and bigger and keep growing and growing.

So I'm like, you know, when I get old and then when I do hang my cleats up you know how can i you know stay around you know the game you know give the game to young guys um especially in positions where you know i wish i would have had growing up um and then also to leave a legacy you know for my kids kids and uh hopefully their kids so we're just trying to build it uh become a powerhouse i like that that's dope that's dope it's that's it the market rashan

you do realize that division you in

you got the packers they won 14 games last year you got the lions they won 15 games last year.

You got the Bears, and many believe they're much improved with the addition as Ben Johnson as their head coach.

They've added pieces on the offensive line to protect Caleb Williams.

Defense seemed to be flying around under new D.C., Dennis Allen and yourself, the Packers.

You guys made the playoff.

Jordan Love had the surgery on his left hand, but everybody say he's good to go.

What do the Packers need to do?

to win this division, get a home game, and say, hey, let whatever happens happen after that.

We got to go out there and we just got to play Packers ball.

Like I said, we've been growing it from OTAs through camp.

I'm talking about

even finishing the pregame.

I mean, preseason on a high note.

You know, we just got to keep everything flowing.

Like I said, especially on defense, we've been speaking the same language.

I've been seeing the offense, you know, do they think, connecting.

Even the special teams, you know, the guys are flying down.

I understand that's a very crucial part and important part of the game.

So all we got to do is be consistent.

Had the mindset to go one and no every week.

Let me ask you this.

At practice, do you,

if you see something from like your offensive line, like, bro, that's a tail.

I can tell when you run the ball.

I tell when you're passing the ball.

I can tell how you're trying to set me up.

Do you guys communicate like that?

Do they tell you, hey, Rashad, bro, hey.

You gave this move away.

Do you guys communicate like that with one another?

Yeah, that's iron sharpen iron, especially when I'm trying to work on something.

I'm big on that.

I'm talking about both my tackles coming to me.

Like, what bother you?

So, of course, I'm going to tell them everything I don't like to do so I can work on it and practice.

And vice versa.

You know, me working on certain moves.

Okay, you telegraphed that.

Man, if you would have sold it up an extra step, you feel me?

Or, oh, you got me on that move.

I'm like, all right, you know, keep working things like that.

But yeah, it's iron sharp and iron practice.

And me withholding information for season, that's not going to better the team.

So I'd rather make it hard on me now.

So for the guys that do give it away in season, I can play a little bit faster.

Oh, man, that's great.

Man, thank you, Rashawn, for joining us, man.

Stay healthy.

Best of luck.

Hey, this year, you was, what, hold on, let me find out where you were.

You was number 80.

Man, you dropped 50, you down 30 spots.

So when we come back and have this conversation next week, next year, you got to be in the top 30.

You got to be 30 above.

Well, 30 or below.

It's going to be great talking to you then.

Thank you, bro.

Best of luck.

Stay healthy.

Good luck to the Packers this season.

And we're going to talk to you next year.

Thank you.

Appreciate you, bro.

Have a good one.

Rashad Gary, ladies and gentlemen.

Oh, Joe, Shiloh Sanders was ejected after throwing a punch at Bill's tight end, Zach Davison.

Should he have been ejected?

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

You can't do that.

You got to be able to control yourself, especially in that moment.

I know the tight end.

You know, they was locked up a little bit.

He was probably trying to rough hide them a little bit, but you have to be able to control yourself.

You got to be able to control your emotions, especially in moments like that, especially in a game, especially in the game.

So, you know, you have no choice.

If you throw a punch, if anything,

if your arm extends and it touches the other individual,

you're going out the game.

Ocho, he in the open field.

That's not like an offensive and defensive lineman, Ocho.

You in the pile and can't nobody see you trying to hit the guy.

Oh, Joe,

the back judge or the side judge, that was you standing right there.

They're right there.

You know, sometimes you got players that'll provoke you.

Sometimes

they're always going to see the person that swings last.

They never see who initiated, but they're going to always see the person who swings last.

I ain't trying to get you back in front of the ref.

I'm going to try to get you back when you ain't thinking about it.

Because if I do something, then you brace it.

All you're going to do is turn to the ref.

You see, ref, he did the age start.

Hey, Ref, you see what 84 did?

You see what he did?

Don't worry about it.

I'm gonna get you back.

It's gonna look like a place.

I'm gonna get your ass back, yeah.

Or I'm gonna get your teammate.

Somebody,

somebody gonna get it.

Somebody gonna get got

that got your color uniform on.

He ain't had nothing to do with it, but that's your teammate.

Hey, y'all know how it is.

Hey, I'm gonna get you with somebody that's related to you.

Yeah, but

I agree with you, Ocho.

Shiloh knows better.

Shiloh knows he can't do a situation like that.

Bro, you can't hurt the.

He got on the helmet.

So let's just say for the sake of it, you hit him.

Okay, you hit him in the head.

Oh, what happened?

You break your hand.

You're going to get a penalty.

In this situation, you got tossed.

Now, even if you do rate the rock, you do know when you get thrown out of the game, Ocho.

You know that's like

$20,000, $30,000.

So

let's just say for the sake of argument, oh, yeah, yeah.

How much is an ejection in the football game?

It's like $25,030,000.

It's not that much.

Yeah, the hell you say.

My goddamn celebrations were $25,000,000.

I know they ain't.

But you stayed in the game.

Your celebration did call you to get tossed out of a game.

Yeah, I'm curious.

How much is an ejection?

Especially a first-time offense, too.

They're going to take all that into account.

Actually, like 32,000.

They're going to let him appeal that.

They're going to let him appeal that.

They're going to let you appeal it.

First time offense too.

They're going to be like,

who you appealing it to?

So let me ask you a quick question.

Nah, I think it's Brooks, Derek Brooks, James Thrash, and John Runyon.

So Brooks and Thrash, and then Runyon is.

James Thrash, James Thrash?

Oh, God damn James Thrash, what?

Hey, wait, Derek Brooks, you talk about

fighting.

He threw a punch.

So, fighting, yeah, 40.

40 for fighting on show.

Hey, hold on.

You said Derek Brooks.

You talk about double nickel?

Yeah.

Okay, I didn't know that.

Man,

they're gonna take care of him.

They're gonna take him.

I mean, Brooks and Thrash, they're very friendly, but some things.

Yeah, I know.

I know.

Yeah.

Physical contact with an official is $40,000.

A second offense is $81,000.

Verbal or non-physical offense against official.

So if you're cursing or something, that's $32,000.

Next one.

Fighting.

$40,000 for the first offense.

$40,686.

A second offense is $81,000.

Woo!

So

unsportsmanlike conduct.

You know what?

Maybe they label it unsportsmanlike conduct.

Okay, baby, see.

But what did they call it during the game?

What did they say during the game?

Because if you throw a ball into the stands, that's $8,100, Ocho.

But you play

throwing the ball in the stands still.

I know.

I ain't throw one.

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Bam.

Gang signs.

Ooh.

Gang sign.

Don't do that.

Don't do that.

That's all I got for for you, Ocho.

Hey, what?

Hey, that's a gang sign, too.

Hey, that's all I got.

That's all I got for you.

But I just say, look, the emotions got the best of him.

You know, you fighting for a roster spot.

I don't know what, like I said, I don't know what happened.

I just, you know,

saw the steel shots of it.

So I don't know if he did this or he did that.

They had been blocking him all the way down the field.

It seemed like...

Yeah, he, you know, obviously tight end came off, got up on the safety, and they just, he trying to drive him back, drive drive him back.

And I'm assuming

he tried to dump it.

He tried to.

Yeah, he tried to dump it.

That's all.

A little rough house.

And

we find out what they call it in the game.

And, you know,

you just got to be smart in a situation like that because you are fighting for a position.

You don't want to do anything that costs you position.

But, you know, hey, I trust me.

Sometimes when emotion is high, logic is low.

We've all done things that like we look back at like, but man, why the hell I do that?

Why?

And Shadur probably like, as he's walking to the tunnel, like

everybody, Shadur, excuse me, Shiloh, everybody's going to get God.

If you play long enough,

somebody gonna get you with a block.

Somebody gonna pancake you, somebody gonna route your ass up.

You gonna get got.

It's like being in the NBA.

You're gonna get dunked on.

You play long enough, you'll get dunked on.

I don't care.

Excuse me.

I don't care who you are.

You're going to get got.

Offensive lineman gonna get beat.

He's gonna get run over.

Defensive linemen are gonna get blocked.

He gonna get pancaked.

Quarterback going to get hit.

All that's going to happen because it's the game of football.

And those guys are really good that you're going against.

They're really good.

i know you're really good also but they're really good and somebody that's really good can make somebody else that really that's really good look bad

i don't think people realize people just think that oh he's such and such he's supposed to win all the time no hell you not

no

even barry bonds he didn't strike out often but he did strike out Tony Gwynn didn't strike out often, but he did strike out.

He did get nobody.

Hit 500, hit 600, 700.

So obviously.

But, you know,

I ain't really never got that mad, Ocho.

Not in the game.

I mean, somebody, have somebody done some dirty stuff?

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I got their ass back.

I mean, I'm trying to think.

Would I ever?

The only time I was about to fight when I was in the beat Ray's ass.

That's it.

You heard me?

You're going to beat Ray?

Man, mouth and a beat Ray all up and down M ⁇ T Bank Stadium.

he lucky air reed grabbed me boy i was feeling good that day too

oh you feel i was feeling good i was feeling good

he ain't even no ray ain't even no like he hit me right

okay

okay go ahead what'd you say he hit me i went for the slant it was too high

i know i saw it and listen my helmet went flying so once I got my helmet,

once I got my helmet, and I was getting ready to walk up on him, and he knew I was going to hit him in the stomach.

So, you know, when you hit somebody in the stomach, the first thing they do is they go, they bend down.

And then you're going to catch him with an uppercut.

Yeah.

And so, I mean, listen, man, boy, I'll tell you, boy,

that 52 would have been 25 when I would double rate that day, boy.

I don't think you had all your bearings.

I mean,

I think you was about to be the headless foot, the headless football player, because I thought your head was in that hell.

It was.

It was.

It was.

You couldn't get his work, though.

Hey,

that's one of the things I miss, though.

Like, I know I play around a lot.

I make a lot of jokes.

I'm always laughing and stuff.

What you miss?

Being able to compete.

Not against anybody.

I'm talking about being able to compete against those Steeler teams with Ike Taylor and James Harrison and Larry foot and and joey porter and

oh man

yeah i thought you was gonna say you miss uh you miss getting hit i don't i don't mind that either and listen you know i'm i i was like i was like gumby unc I ain't care nothing about that getting hit.

You gotta, you gotta, I got up from every single hit except one.

11 years,

one hit, I didn't get up.

That was it.

When you pop up fast, they know they got you.

Now, you know, I pop up fast, talking trash, though.

Every time.

it was some good days man i missed playing them ravens man them defenses man

dog that that was such a joy such a joy because you had no you had no choice but to show up huh

there's no weakness there was no weakness nowhere nowhere yeah

division games are always tough second level was good secondary was good And here go my, my crazy.

I'm talking trash all week long to take all the pressure off of everybody else on our team.

So all the pressure was on me.

Now, all y'all got to do is just go out there and just do your job.

Nah, because they cheap shotting everybody, man.

Why are you cheap?

Man, because tell Sharp to say, Shut up,

okay.

Man, Sharp, leave alone.

You ain't got to block him.

Well, you need to block better.

Yeah, I enjoyed it that way, man.

I don't know why, man.

I know.

Look, you know what?

I bet you Time called him from the, I bet you time called Shilo in the locker room.

Of course.

Man,

what is you doing, boy?

That's exactly what.

Come on, dad.

What are you doing?

Really, son?

You think, so let me ask you a question.

You hit him.

You think you hurt him?

You think there was a greater chance you hurt your own self or you hurt him?

You could hurt him.

You hurt your own self, your own team, or you hurt him or his team.

Because that's how that's how you look.

There's a

I Don't know if he like he ain't really no time ain't really no yellow.

He's more of a talker and a stern and a stern way to get his point of cost.

Me, I'm like, bro,

what are you doing?

Really?

You thought that was your that was your answer?

The man done drove you like a Winnebago.

So now you mad because you couldn't get him up off you.

You take a swipe at him.

Oh man

Shout out hey Shiloh you'll get the weight room, bro.

Them guys them guys big them tight ends.

Hey, you know, I was just strong, but I wasn't, you know, I was 228.

Them guys now, them tight ends now, they 6'4, 6'5, 250, 260.

Hey, you got to drop anger on them, Shiloh.

Get up off me.

The hell you think you disappear.

No, and Prime got to be careful because Shiloh will hit back with you was the same one at that fight with Andre Rising.

So how you sitting there telling me about it?

You was out there.

Man, Tom,

man, I remember that.

He's like,

he tried to show out in my house.

You can't come to my house.

They were going at it, boy.

But they were going at it.

I think Dre forgot that time was left-handed.

Yeah, yeah, he was looking for the right and Ty would kill it with the left.

I think, I think that's what happened.

See, that's what gets you on your because you think most of the time, and I think most people are right-handed.

What's the percentage of right-handed people?

If it ain't no 50-50 like a coin flip, it's got to be like 70-30,

righty to lefty.

And so, you automatically assume somebody right-handed, and so you like you, you looking for that right, and he just copped it upside your head with like cop, got

him boy.

But going,

and see, the thing was, time was smart see time it wasn't wasn't punching me time may want to uh break his hand open open time was open-handed

but

i i think i think shy will learn i mean hey you're like hey if hopefully he makes the squad and he can get it because this thing if you're on a practice squad on your

You ain't making $40,000 a week.

They're going to take your first three weeks going to the NFL.

You're going to be all right.

You're going to be all right.

Like,

and that's what's amazing.

That's what the thing is, is that

those fans, man, they,

like, damn, I could have used that 45 too.

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