Nightcap Hour 1: Unc & Ocho react to Adam Thielen TRADE + Kyle Hamilton’s $100M deal + Kerby Joseph joins the show

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We have two very special guests joining us tonight: the safety from the Detroit Lions, Kirby Joseph, and the big defensive tackle from the Seattle Seahawks, Leonard Williams, joining us a bit later.

But first, oh Joe, first, all-pro safety Kyle Hamilton and the Ravens have reached an agreement.

A four-year extension worth $100.4 million

is the largest deal for safety in NFL history, and the deal includes

$82 million.

However, they got a bigger deal, Lumi.

Yeah.

Lamar Jackson.

His salary cap number is $43.5 million in $25,

$74.5 million in $26.

With Lamar continued, he still represents himself here and his mom.

Are we headed for a long drawn-out negotiation or is this going to be simple and painful?

It's going to be simple and plain.

It's simply the fact this is quarterback number one this is the future of your organization probably for the next 10 years obviously we saw we saw young bull down there in buffalo get his deal i forgot what the numbers were but i know i think it was in north was a maybe 300 330 something like that Yeah, yeah.

I think it's over 300 with 250.

Yeah, 250 guaranteed.

So obviously Lamar is going to be somewhere probably going to leapfrog that in some way, shape, form, or fashion.

Representation, being his mom, them having the right people in their corner, understanding how everything works being that they've already worked one deal so it's pretty easy where the numbers are going to be and they're going to work it out and i'm i'm not maybe i wouldn't be surprised if it if it happens maybe before the season or maybe in the middle of the season but it's probably going to be done as simply when it comes to certain certain players on when it comes to certain players especially this position you don't play no games you don't play games in that position so the quarterbacks have nothing to worry about except just football alone

yeah i i I like them going ahead and getting this deal with

Kyle Hamilton out of the way.

They tie it up.

The Ravens are normally very, very good about this.

Their homegrown talent, they take care of those guys.

They always have.

I believe

they always will.

You go back and look at the Jonathan Ognins, the Ray Lewis's, the Terrell Subs, Ed Reed.

Those guys, they take care of their guys.

They've always done that.

They took care of Lamar.

Now, they did make Lamar play, you know, or the franchise tag one year.

I was surprised.

Well, he didn't play on the franchise tag.

Nobody even put money down when how many guys

needed a quarterback and could have given up easily two first-round draft picks.

I don't think, I think that's the Gordon rate for a quarterback of Lamar, two first-rounders.

You'd have been gladly giving those guys up because, hell, you figure that when you give those guys up, that you're going to be so far down in the draft, it's not going to harm you.

You don't think when you get Lamar Jackson, you're going to be picking in the top 10 again.

With that being said,

They took care of Kyle Hamilton.

Now they can put their tension on Lamar Jackson.

And I agree with you.

At some point in time, this deal is going to get done.

They're not going into the season next year with a $75 million cap hit for a quarterback.

Could I potentially see them doing something done, getting something done?

It all depends on him.

Because at the end of the day, Ocho, you said it best.

He and his mom are their representation.

They do have an NFLPA attorney, I think, to help them read over language and probably pay an hourly rate or something like that.

That's better than giving up 3% to 4%.

I'll pay you hourly.

I'll give you, you know, 15, whatever the case may be.

Let's just say a round number.

Let's just say $1,000 an hour for you to reel the contract to make sure everything's on the up and up.

All the language is what it needs to be.

But with that being said, he's not going into next season with no $75 million cap here.

That's for damn sure.

And

I think

it's going to happen sooner rather than later that he's going to get something done.

And I can see, I agree with you.

I can see them somewhere at some point in time getting a deal done.

If he wants to get it done, he might say, well if we don't get this thing done by the first game I'm done talking contracts until after the season

obviously when you think about someone like Lamar someone like Lamar that I know personally he's strictly football when it comes to the business side of things obviously he has mom right there to handle those issues but Lamar is one that just wants to play football and we we understand the nature of the business and you don't want to get yourself in any type of distraction or situations that can take you from said game of football.

But obviously his eye is on the prize and and that eye is on the prize has nothing to do with money because he's already been paid.

So, his focus is on doing what we need to do to dominate in the AFC North and contend and get ourselves to one, the playoffs, and to get over the hump of getting out the playoffs and having a chance at the goddamn Lombardi.

You're absolutely right.

Look,

the guy's a two-time MVP.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, you're not going to pay.

No, no, no, no, no.

He's a three-time MVP.

He's a three-time mvp now they took one of those mvps from him based on one of the best statistical seasons from a quarterback in the history of the game yeah so it was that i love josh allen but last year's mvp was a damn here that's what that was

i'm just being i'm just i'm just being realistic huh that's one of damn here that's what that was

And

but you're going to pay Lamar Jackson, the guy that's not even 30 years of age yet.

You're going to pay him, you believe, the next five to seven years.

He'll still put up the kind of numbers that he's been putting up the last three to four years.

30, 40 pass touchdowns still can give you somewhere between 500 and 800 rush yards.

Low turnover rate.

Like you said, he just needs to get over that hunt.

He just needs to get that one time to play like Lamar Jackson in the regular season.

Because so many times we've seen him.

He went like a stretch where he had eight, nine games.

He ain't turned the ball over.

He didn't fumble the ball.

He didn't throw a pick he did none of that and then he got i think that in that playoff game the divisional round against baltimore he ended up having two turnovers look he still had him in position if uh the tight end if he catches that uh mark andrews if he catches that two-point play now we we're possibly in the overtime or or i mean the defense is going to have to stand to keep Josh Allen out of field goal range and then we go to overtime.

We'll never know.

But we have yet to see Lamar Jackson play in a big-time game come postseason like the Lamar Jackson that we thought should have won the MVP.

See, because if that guy showed up, they go into the Super Bowl.

Yeah, absolutely.

And

that's what we keep expecting, Ocho.

That's what we keep wanting to see because we know

he has it in him because we've seen it.

It's not like

we're not asking Lamar Jackson to do anything he has not put on tape in the regular season.

That's the only thing.

Because we've seen him put on tape.

He throw for 300.

He'll rush for 50, 70, 80 yards.

We've seen him have three touchdown passes, two touchdown rushing.

So we're not asking him to do anything that we have not already seen with our own eyes.

It's just that in the playoffs, more times than not, he's turned the ball over.

And

once he gets that out of his way, you know, sometimes it takes others longer to live.

We've gotten spoiled.

Tom Brady went his

first year starting, he went.

Patrick Mahomes, his first year starting.

He goes to the FC Championship game the next year, his second year starting.

He wins the Super Bowl.

He wins regular season MVP.

And that same thing with Lamar.

Think about it.

Lamar, his first year starting,

he wasn't the MVP.

So we know

what he can capable of.

We just need him to be that person come play off time.

And if he does that, the Ravens are going to be hell because the Ravens got, they got a heck of a football team.

They got a heck of a football team.

I think John Harbaugh is an unbelievable coach.

Defensively, they got guys that fly around to the football.

They got Jaher Alexander.

They got Wiggins outside.

They got Marlon Humphrey in the slot.

They got Hamilton.

They took it safe.

I think they took another safety in the first round.

They're good.

Roquan Smith, Matabiku.

Look,

they're loaded.

They got Bateman.

They got

Zay Flower.

The running back.

Look, Ricard is back.

They got Derrick Henry.

They got Staley is back.

Lamar.

They are loaded.

Lively is going to be out a little while because I think he got Dilly with a foot injury.

But they got Mark Andrews, who's been an all-pro, who's gone to multiple Pro Bowls.

This team is loaded.

This team is equipped, and they should

be thinking, hey,

we got to take care of business and win our division, but

they should have loftier expectations based on the personnel that they have on the team and based on the coach, the coaching staff that they have.

But yeah, Lamar, they're going to get something done.

$43.5 million.

That's not excessive as far as the cap, Ojo.

But $75?

Yeah.

that's way old.

That's way old.

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The Panthers trade Adam Thielen to the Vikings as the veteran receiver returns home.

He is from Minnesota.

The teams agreed

to swap picks.

The Vikings gave up a fifth round pick in 26 and a fourth round pick in 27.

Carolina yields a conditional seventh round pick in 26 and a fifth round in 27.

OJo, did the Vikings get better bringing him back?

I think they got better.

Just the veteran presence in general.

Just veteran presence in general having, having obviously Jordan Addison going to be out.

So you have Adam Thielen that can come in right now and play.

And if you think about it, I'm sure people probably don't see or probably don't know, but Adam Thielen and J.J.

McCarthy, they worked out in the offseason together.

They were getting routes and even though that's not his quarterback, they were getting some routes in.

So there's a little bit of chemistry and familiarity in that area in that sense.

So really Adam Thielen coming back,

being able to acclimate right back to that offense, right back at home, I think they're going to be fine.

It's a great addition for them.

And obviously them, the Panthers letting them go, let you know how good and how much they believe in that young receiving.

Jimmy Horn made the active roster.

Yeah, but but you.

Jimmy Horn Jr.

made the act the roster.

Damn, right, Jimmy Horn, but gonna make it.

Jimmy horn is one of the better rookies in the nfl especially when it comes to route running and being able to create separation and get open so i understood that hell jimmy was so goddamn good they let brother hunter winfro brother hunter winfro go and winfro is one if considered one of the better route runners and also at creating separation and be able to get open but that's how good that's how good they are obviously i'm very very high very very high and i've spoken highly of that receiving core over there in carolina and if they're if they're to have a year and want to compete not only in that division, but have a successful season, it's going to be upon that receiving core leading brother Bryce Young to the promised land.

So outside of that, I'm happy for Adam Thielen.

He's going to be just fine back in Minnesota.

JJ McCarthy, Justin Jefferson, Adam Thielen.

And when Jordan Addison comes back, that's a nice trio to have.

Very nice trio.

Yeah.

And you still got Hawkinson, who's who's another year removed from that injury, Aaron Jones in the backfield.

Yeah, I like the move.

This is a Carolinas opportunity.

I mean, I would have liked for him to stay there and help mentor some of those young receivers, Ocho, that they have in Carolina.

But

the Carolinas look like it's, I guess, it's time for them to grow up.

It's time for them to grow up.

We're counting on these young guys.

You got Macmillan.

You got Legette.

You got...

Jalen Coker.

Coker, you got Jimmy Horn Jr.

Like you said, so they got some young talent.

Now it's just time for them.

They don't have what you call a veteran presence in that locker room, Ocho, at the receiver position.

They have veterans on the team.

But

I like the move.

Would I have been disappointed if Carolina said no, but they say, you know what?

For a fourth round pick in 27,

yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

We go ahead.

We let y'all have this.

And I understand Minnesota because, like you said, Jordan Addison is going to be gone for three games.

So now we got somebody to come in that a veteran presence that understands the gravity and the magnitude of these games.

They're in a very tough division, though.

That Green Bay's in that division.

Detroit's in that division.

We believe Chicago will be better that's in that division.

So Detroit's like, nah, we don't want to have any excuses.

We don't have any slippage.

We want to get off, hit the ground running.

And I think Adam Thielen gives them a great opportunity to do that.

So I like the trade for both.

But if Carolina said nah, to keep Adam Thielen and to help him groom some of these young guys, I wouldn't have been upset at that idea.

You have to understand why they let him go.

I think people people in the chat need to understand when it comes to veteran players that are on teams and you have a young receiving core that is impressed not only in the preseason, but in training camp, that's the only time you let a veteran

presence of a player like Adam Thielen go because you trust what you've already seen.

You trust what those young, what those young bulls have put on film.

So now we know, you know what, we're going to be okay.

We're going to be okay.

And we're going to let them boys take the torch.

Yeah.

And I'm sure they look,

a part of us all want to go back home.

Yeah.

You know, Dorothy, Dorothy wanted to go back to Kansas.

A part of us over your a part of us want to go back to where it started from.

And, you know, if you think about it,

a normal time when a lot of people escape, what the first place they go.

They catch them at home.

They go back to an old familiar surroundings.

And so I think for Adam, Adam, you know, he's like, man, I'm from Minnesota.

I spent the first 10 years of my career in Minnesota.

You know what?

My family, he's probably, Minnesota is probably going to be home for him.

Man, I mean, he's probably thinking, didn't know if it would ever come to fruition.

He's probably thinking, man, I sure would like to get home.

I sure would like to, you know, if any play a last year or two in Minnesota, and here it is, he's going home.

And Minnesota pull off a swap.

They give up a fifth round pick in 26th and a fourth round in 27th.

Carolina

gets a seventh round pick in 26th and a fifth round in 27th.

So I think everybody's happy old joe but like you said those your young uh receivers in carolina they did they they impressed enough that carolina was willing to move off a veteran presence a guy that's steady dependable you know exactly what you're going to get he's hardworking he's he's a guy that can mentor the young guys but they say you know what

these young guys are ready

absolutely

During Terry McCarran's push for a new contract, age was cited as a big factor in the reluctance.

Terry turns 30 in mid-September.

That ultimately didn't stop the team from agreeing on a three-year deal with the wideout.

At the press conference today, McLaurin was asked about his response to the concerns that neither he nor the deal will age well.

The data is the data, but I think people,

they're outliers.

There are people who may not necessarily fit into that set of data.

Only time will tell, but I feel like where things are in my ability, in January, I ran like 60-yard screen for a touchdown.

My speed hasn't diminished at all.

My toughness is there.

If anything, my savviness of playing receiver has grown.

Hey, listen,

honestly, I'm just listening.

All the analytics and data and stuff that they have based on age and wear and tear and amount of miles on your legs, none of that really matters.

None of it really matters.

It only matters to us.

No, it doesn't matter to us.

It just matters to those who cut those checks and paid the check.

That's all.

That's all.

And so they look at it from a business standpoint.

Maybe I won't get another Terry McLaurin.

I can get somebody that can give me half the production and I can put that money elsewhere.

That's the way they think.

But when it comes to a team that is on the verge of being able to go to a Super Bowl that has a young quarterback that you haven't had to pay yet, you want to make a deal like this happen, which I don't understand why they were waiting.

From a business standpoint, why are we waiting?

Are you serious about winning?

Them getting that deal done for Terry McLaurin lets me know that they're serious about winning and the quarterback not having the power or leverage to be able to go upstairs and say, listen, we need to get this done.

We need to get this done because we have a small window of opportunity.

We have a good, we have okay defense, but I understand we could do offensively if we have number 17 in this room for us to make that run for Lombardi.

Hell, we got to the NFC championship with him.

He was, I'm not sure what percentage, but he was, he was responsible for a high percentage of that offense, especially when it comes to throwing the ball in the air.

So what is there to play about?

I don't care what data.

I don't care what analytics say.

I know what happens.

I know what he does when you put, when you turn that goddamn film on and 17, he's going to show up every time.

the question is ocho what we don't know um we're not privy to these conversations did he lower the ceiling or did they raise the floor oh that's a good one that's a good one i gotta write that's that's what you you and i are not privy to those conversations so and what what i mean by that chat did he lower his price or did they raise their did they raise their offer And

so that's what we don't know.

All we know is that the deal got done.

You and I both think maybe it took a little longer than probably what it should.

But in any negotiation, there needs to be a give and take because you don't want someone to begrudgingly give you something and then you guys become resentful of each other.

But by the same token,

you don't want to like, man, feel like you got screwed over because now you're going to feel like you, you know, they tried, they took advantage of you.

So I think at this at the number that he ended up getting, I think everybody can live.

I think everybody can live with that he doesn't have to go in and play on that fifth year option um now he gets to come now he gets to what oh well i think he gets to come in and get a good number

like i said oh joe what what what can he do with 32 million that he only needed 34 million to be able to do right yeah listen he comes in fair it's a respectful it's a respectful offer obviously it's not the highest it's not as high as you want obviously because you are 30 but they found a happy median a happy medium for him, his family, wife, kids.

They can be happy.

The team is happy.

Jaden Daniels gets his court.

Jaden Daniels gets his receiver on a nice, peace, sound mind.

So now all you can do, the business side of it is over.

Let's go play football.

Let's play football and prepare for week one with no distractions.

We all good.

Yeah.

Because

they're going to have to do something with Larry McTunsel.

They're going to have to do something with Louvo.

Are they going to do anything with Marshawn Lattimore?

That's the question.

Jay Daniels is coming up after next year.

So

they got some other pieces and they needed to get this out of the way so they don't have this going into a next season with Tunsil and Lovu and

a few other guys on your let's go ahead and

piece by piece because in two years you're going to have to go see five.

I think he's number ain't Jay Daniels five yet.

You're going to have to see it.

And it's going to cost you a chunk of change now.

It's going to be pretty now.

Yeah, you have to do something strange.

You have to do something strange to pay that piece of shit.

You got to understand.

You got three quarterbacks, right?

That's going to come up and it's going to break the bank for their team.

So you want to take advantage of those situations now.

Over there in Houston, boy, you better back the Brink truck up.

Down there in Washington, you better be able to back the Brink truck up.

At some point, I think after the season, no, Caleb Williams got one more.

Bo Nicks, they finna have to back the brink truck up

well he got another year yeah yeah he'll be him and caleb him him and bonix and caleb gonna be at be at the same time and jayden daniel oh yeah yeah all of them came out the same track oh yeah oh yeah come on talk to me now talk to me nice too let me know show let me show me how much you love me

uh it's gonna be yeah i'll be look the thing is you try to win as much as you can um because when these quarterbacks these young quarterbacks when it's time to dance,

it kind of inhibits what you're able to do.

You can't just arbitrarily go, okay, I'll just go get that.

Because when you have him on his rookie contract, you can do that.

You can go get a guy and think about just one year.

Okay, I think about just the now, just the here.

But once you pay that guy and you talk about you paying a guy 50, 60, and you're looking at this case, you're probably talking about somewhere between 63 and 60, 67, 68 million dollars.

Who knows?

Maybe even you touch seven.

Without blinking a high.

Yeah.

And so you're looking at a quarter of a bill, a quarter of a quarter of a billy

guarantee.

So

that's kind of where you're headed now.

So with that being said, I think, you know, these guys, these general managers and the teams are trying to

lock these guys up.

So we don't want to have to do, I'm trying to do Laramie Tunson.

I'm trying to do Lovu.

I'm trying to do Jane Daniels.

I'm trying to do whomever else.

Let me go ahead and get, do, I deal with one thing I can fight one battle at a time.

I don't want to spread myself too thin let me fight one battle at a time okay i gotta fight jane daniels let me go ahead and get this taken care of okay i need to deal with tunso i need to deal with lovo i need to whomever let me deal with one individual at a time and i i think that they'll be better served with that

but it was it was good that uh mclauring got his got his money you know look

Whether we like it or not, Ocho, everybody is losing analytics.

Because guess what else everybody uses?

AI.

Pretty soon they're going to come with AI.

The team's going to be using AI to determine.

I mean, listen,

the game of football is still football at the end of the day.

I don't care what technology, what data, what analytics that teams try to go off of.

Certain type of players win you championships.

You're going to need your dogs in there.

There's certain things that analytics and data can't measure.

They can't measure skill.

They can't measure heart.

Sometimes you got to use your eyes and goddamn common sense.

This MF, I don't want to curse, this motherfucker, this mofo, he can play.

And because he can play, he can help my team.

And because he can play and he can help my team, I got to pay him.

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Oh, Joe, hold up.

We're going to come back to that.

We got a very special guest joining us right now.

We got

all-pro safety from the Detroit Lions led the league and interception last year.

Here he is, ladies and gentlemen, Kirby Joe.

KJ, what is up?

Yo, man, I just want to thank y'all for having me on on here.

Kirby, well, you got money, boy, you got stars in your ceiling.

Yeah, I see that.

I see that.

I was thinking the same thing, OJ.

I'm thinking the same thing.

I'm thinking the same thing.

I ain't never seen nothing like that, boy.

What you driving?

Hey, man, just know I'm in that.

I'm in that thing.

You know, that color.

That looks like a color to the sun.

That would look like that.

But for where I'm sitting,

you know, I'm sitting many, many miles away, but that would look like.

I'm in the galaxy right now.

You look like you in space, boy.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

hey how you doing how how how was your

how was your offseason coming in because look the last couple of years you get to the chat a nfc championship game you lose to the divisional round so how was your offseason and how do you lose the last two seasons this offseason to get you right where you need to be coming into this season to be honest i felt like that last season made me even hungrier you know just getting a taste of like that i can do it then i'm going to like achieve it all that's just how i am as a person you know what i'm saying i'm never gonna stop at at nine like you know i said i got nine interception i'm not gonna stop at nine i'm always gonna try to pr you know because i feel like if you're not getting better you're getting worse

hey how was how was camp this year how's the body holding up obviously are you going into are you uncle always has a saying if you if you limp into the season you're gonna limp out the season how's your body holding up how did cam go and how you feeling going into week one man honestly everything went great man i feel like we had a great camp i just feel like

I know now, like, you know, this is like year four for me.

So it was like a lot of stuff I haven't seen before.

So like that, that, that, that saying, that's saying, like, oh, the more years you play, like, the more experience you'll get.

Like,

that's the truth, you know?

Cliche is.

Look, last year, you guys, man, you got up to this great start.

You played pretty well all year, but these injuries started to mount.

You lose a D lineman, you lose a D tackle, you lose a linebacker, you lose a backup, you lose, you just kept losing player after player.

And AG did a great job.

And Coach Campbell, your head coach, did a great job of keeping this team standing.

Like, no matter who we lose, guys, hey, this is why we have 53-man rosters.

Hey, guys come in.

You do your job.

That's all I need you to do is your job.

It had to be frustrating.

You're like, well, damn, bro, I mean,

at some point in time, we got to run out of defensive players.

We can't lose anybody else.

Yeah, last year, that was crazy.

I never seen nothing like that in in football like i never seen i never seen that before that it was i wouldn't say it was frustrating but it was kind of heartbreaking just seeing my brothers you know i'm saying like

get injured and stuff because nobody wants to get injured in this game you know what i'm saying but we love playing this game and you know that's what we signed up for you know injuries are gonna happen but like how that happened uh

yeah

i've never

i never seen that before but um i felt like i feel like man we just we just knew what we had to do

I mean, guys go down.

You know what I'm saying?

And if it's something like that that happens, man, I feel like I don't pride myself on like

just having like, I wouldn't say I, but I feel like us as a team,

we don't, we don't,

how should I say?

We don't believe in like ones and twos.

You know what I'm saying?

It's like the next person got to go.

Right, right.

Everybody.

Because like, I tell, I tell the group all the time, like, even everybody always says, it's going to take all of us to win.

You know what I'm saying?

So, like, as a team, that's just what you got to do.

You know what I'm saying?

When your brother down, man, you got to step up to play.

Hey, how different?

Go ahead, Order.

Now, I'm going to say, obviously, with AG being, being gone, I'm one of the ones I've always come to bat for you guys, regardless of who the person is calling defensive plays, with AG now being with the Jets, but the same players are still there.

So, regardless of who's calling the plays, from your perspective and your point, are you still allowed the freedom to be able to do what you want to do at the safety position, being that you're as good as you are, being able to have a little a little freedom to do what you want are you are you allowed that now yeah i i feel like um i wouldn't say now i always had a little freedom especially when ag was there just you know i'm saying learning it as i go you know um i feel like uh yeah the same the same players are here you know what i'm saying um you know ag

i'm a missile you know what i'm saying but you know he had to go do what he had to do at the jets you know what i'm saying i'm wishing them good luck and all but um i feel like i don't feel like the level of play is gonna gonna decline at all you know if anything i feel like it'll increase a lot more you know what i'm saying because now i feel like um it's just you know it's a new coaching staff change you know what i'm saying everybody has to go through that coaching staff change and that that building relationships and the adversity you have to go through throughout the season you know what i'm saying so i just feel like it's a new turning point you know new chapter

Right.

That's the thing for me,

what I'm thinking.

I think about safety play.

You wanted a better seed, probably actually the best safety in the NFL, you know, along with Kyle Hamilton.

And to be able to get the amount of picks you get, there's a certain amount of freedom that you have to have that

it can't be schemed.

It can't be scripted.

It's not X's and those.

It's just you being able to have free will to make decisions based on your eye discipline and what you see.

So I know you have a new coaching staff.

And most of the time you get coaches that come in and they have, I don't want to, I think maybe not ego for the most part, but I want you to do things my way and my way only.

So I was just curious if even with the new coaching staff, are you still allowed to have free will outside of the exit of those to be able to play your game?

Yeah, for sure.

I feel like, like, one thing I noticed about

a lot of my teammates on the team is that, like, we're football players.

You know, I feel like the team does a great job of allowing us to be football players because, you know, football is not just what you see on paper.

It's not going to be like that in the game.

So you got to understand stuff happen.

So you got to, you know, you got to play football, dog.

You just got to play football.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

I like that you said that because listen, something that I always struggle with.

Somebody, obviously, when I was playing,

you go in,

they put the scheme, the taxes, this is what we're running.

They do the exit nose.

It's a straight line and he cuts right.

I'm like, dude, that's not how it happens in real time.

No.

You got people moving, pushing and tugging.

So it's kind of different out there on the field.

And most of the time, I would always tell my officer coordinator, give me a little freedom.

to do what I do, but I'm going to stay within the timing of the offense.

And the same thing on defense.

It's all about reading and reacting in a certain amount of time but i'm going to do everything i can the way you draw it up but you got to give me some freedom you don't have me out there playing like a goddamn robot

yeah but go ahead go ahead i'm excited my bad i can't play football like a robot that is just not in me bro i gotta right right

no

my my question is is that you got somebody in your division that you face twice a year that was your offensive coordinator for a long period of time.

And, you know, he's drawing up plays to beat the defense in training camp.

You guys are trying to scheme plays to stop the offensive training camp.

So how, how fun, how different, how difficult do you think it'll be to face Ben Johnson?

We know he's one of the best offensive minds in football, and he happens to be in your division.

You played them twice a year, and they've loaded up.

They went and got drafted a receiver in the second round.

They drafted a tight end in the first round.

They shored up their offensive line.

They're seemingly in the preseason.

And I don't want to put too much on the preseason, Kirby, but it seems to be they're flying around defensively.

But you know, their bread is butted on the offense.

They got a first-round draft pick.

They got DJ Moore.

They got Roma Dunze.

I think they got

Burton.

I think they took Burton in the second round on Missouri.

They got Loveland and Cole Comet.

So they're a really good team.

But, you know, you're familiar with him and he's familiar with you guys.

I like that you said that.

Like, you know, Ben had to go do what he had to do, just like AG did.

You know, I'm happy for him, you know what I'm saying, the opportunity.

Yeah, they got some guys over over there you know what i'm saying but uh ben know what's up with me

like you said you know what's up with me bro he knows what's up

so i'm never going back down or uh away from competition because honestly i feel like that he knows the players and he knows kind of the scheme we run and stuff i feel like it's more of a challenge you know so i feel like it's always a always a way to get better and i feel like that's a big big test right there

I like it.

Hey, yeah, you know what?

I would just tell me this.

Dan Campbell, because when he first got the job, that man talking about bite kneecaps, he's going to do all this.

I'm like, well, damn.

So

what's he really when the cameras are not there and it's just you guys at practice and and you guys are in the meeting room?

What's Dan Campbell like?

Honestly, man, I feel like.

I feel like Dan Campbell, that's just a great coach.

You know, I feel like he's more of a player's coach because just because he understands like what, you know, what we put our body through and what we go through throughout this

player so he kind of understand how everything be i feel like he does a a great job of like taking care of us and he shows that he's passionate you know about a lot of things we do like the reason why he's telling us uh uh these things he's telling us is because he wants us to win not only him to win but he wants us to win you know what i'm saying like you people i'm saying it's not just him or the team it's us because we're doing this as a group we're a team you know what i'm saying we reaching one goal together so i feel like he does a great job of just teaching us that You know what I'm saying?

And a lot of the drills we do or a lot of the practices are the meeting, the team meetings, and stuff like that, man.

I just felt like, man, every time that man get up

and go up on that podium or whatever he's talking about, I'm ready to go right now.

I'm ready right now.

I'm ready right now.

So I just, man, I love Coach Campbell, man.

He does, you know what I'm saying, everything.

I like it.

I like it.

Hey, what's your nutrition like?

Are you one of those healthy eaters, you know, eat green stuff all the time?

Like,

are you big into that?

I'm a survivor,

you know what I'm saying?

I'm gonna try to eat good, but if it's good,

right,

I ain't got you know, I'm saying, I'm not gonna go over the extent and say, just starve myself or not eat food.

I'm gonna eat my

see, I like it.

See, so that brings me to my next question.

I don't eat pork,

okay, okay, okay, that's cool.

Listen, I want to provide my services.

Uh, you know, I'm a meal prep, so I can provide you with meals

Monday through Sunday.

I only charge $20 a week.

You a meal preference?

Yeah, yeah, I'm a meal.

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All right, bro.

It's all good, bro.

I'm going to check you out, though.

I'm going to check you out, bro.

Yeah, I got a new job.

I got a new job.

Kurt,

you guys traded Tim Patrick, Jameson Williams, going into his like third.

Jameson,

do you think he's ready to take that next step?

Because we've seen him.

So the flashes, we know what Amon Ra.

We know what he's going to do, but not Jameson.

And at first, he was just that guy that tried to get deep.

But now you can just put the ball.

You can hand it to him, and he can go hit his head on the goalpost.

You can throw him a smoke screen, jailbreak screen, and

he can go to the end zone.

So what do you think?

What can we expect to see from Jameson this year?

Man,

honestly, I'm so proud of Jimmo, man.

Jimmo is one of the guys that

you see out there, and he just continues to get better.

And you know what I'm saying?

And I feel like this year, I feel like, damn, they ain't seen this Jimmo yet.

Damn, they ain't seen this Jimmo yet.

And so, so I ain't, you know what I'm saying?

I ain't gonna put it all out though, but

the Jamo this year for sure.

I like him.

He ready to rock.

Hey, where Brian Branch at, man,

man, BB,

yeah, man.

Man, I don't know right now.

He probably some of them, but man, that's man, that's that's none of the guys on another guy on the team that continues to just work hard, bro.

Like, hey, bro, his his back said, his back is uh tools or whatever he used to protect.

He may, he nice.

Listen, I talked about him.

I talked about him all last year.

Matter of fact, it got to the point where it was almost weird.

I tweeted about him and you so much to the point where it's like I was,

like I was stalking.

But I'm listening, I appreciate secondary play, DB play so much.

Even though I'm a receiver, I was giving y'all y'all boys credit week in and week out.

Just the way y'all played the game and the way y'all approached to the game.

So

I've always been a huge fan, especially man, you and goddamn Brian Branch, man, him being able to go to safety, then then sometime having to go to corn.

I'm like, man, what the hell?

Bro, like a damn Swiss Army knife.

He doing everything.

Facts.

Man, he's super talented, man.

He's super talented.

I feel like one thing he does the most is like

his instincts, crazy.

Yes.

His instincts, crazy.

Him at nickel, him at safety.

It's kind of the nickel is kind of top.

But when they moved him back to safety, you know what I'm saying?

With Lazoo, man, like,

the plays he make i just you know i'm saying i'm still wishing i made them start to put it like that

yeah are you are you a talker do i mean when you're on the on the field are you talking to the opposing team is your defense talkers or you guys just go play football to be honest i feel like everybody got their own little situation going on with me out there

me personally i feel like I feel like I don't too much say nothing, but somebody pissed me off, bro.

You're going to hear me, bro.

And once I'm going at you, bro, I'm never going to stop.

Yeah.

Is there a player?

Is there a player that you really don't like that y'all always go at it?

To give you a better example, perspective, Mike Evans and Marshawn Lattimore.

Do you have anybody like that that you go at it with in the NFL or not really?

I got a couple.

Damn, for real?

Yeah.

I got a couple.

I don't want too much to be going for none of that.

Is it personal or it's like really serious?

Like, I don't really, I I don't see you like that.

Like, I really don't see you like that.

There's only one like that.

Who that?

Who that?

I want to know.

I want to know so I can watch.

I'll tell you.

I'll tell you.

I ain't.

I'll tell you.

I'll tell you.

Okay.

Okay.

Okay.

Okay.

Okay.

Okay.

Okay.

Okay.

Okay.

Okay.

Once they find out, they're going to be trying to separate.

Okay, okay.

I got you.

I got you.

I got you.

Yeah.

Because once he finds out, he's going to try to get you before you get him.

No,

he knows who I am.

Okay.

Okay.

Yeah.

So obviously, your head coach, and you mentioned a lot of the players from the defense and the offense are still there.

Although you lost both of your coordinators, the expectations are still high.

You guys won 15 games last year.

The year before that, you went to the NFC championship game.

Bro, it's time.

I mean, you know,

you only get so many bite of the apple

before the apple's gone.

That y'all been taking big y'all been taking big bites.

Hey,

we ain't going to stop.

Hey, we ain't going to stop till we get there, though.

Like, but I don't never see myself, especially, like, stopping.

I feel like a lot of the things we went through, I feel like it was to get us to this moment right now.

I feel like we got a lot of guys healthy.

We got guys back.

You know what I'm saying?

I feel like, especially the guys that were on the team last year, they kind of understand that we gave it even more than we did the first year, but that still wasn't enough.

You know what I'm saying?

Got to still keep going because now it's just any minute, minute thing going on with the game that could be to change the top of the game.

You know what I'm saying?

So just working on the situations and stuff like that.

And then just, we got to make plays.

You know what I'm saying?

I feel like, I feel like a lot of the things that happen on the field with like playmaking, I feel like it's not only the coaches getting on us, but it's ourselves.

Cause we got, we keep ourselves accountable.

with a lot of the things.

You know what I'm saying?

Yeah, yeah.

Cause it's like,

I be hard on myself when I don't get an exception for the game.

You know, because I feel like I leave my team down.

You know what I'm saying?

And BB might feel the same way if he didn't get enough sacks, you know what I'm saying?

It's just stuff like that.

Like, right, you know, I just be like, you know, I'm saying, let's help each other and keep each other like on coin

week 16.

You got you face a very familiar opponent.

You were in the same division with this guy, Aaron Rodgers.

He's with the Steelers now.

You've had a lot of success against Rodgers.

You looking forward to that matchup?

Yeah, yeah.

Hey, hey, that's my favorite quarterback, though.

Oh, you expect him to throw you a couple of hours?

Oh, yeah, that ain't gonna stop.

yeah, yeah.

That ain't gonna stop.

But hey, he cool, though.

He cool, for sure.

Yeah.

I'm trying to see if he gonna sign on one of them.

I was about to ask you the same thing.

I'm saying, you trying to get one of the balls?

Yeah, I'm trying to get one of the ball.

I'm trying, I'm trying to at least one of them.

I got about

y'all play the Steelers week 16.

Hey,

y'all don't play the Bengals, huh?

Yeah, we do.

I think we got them on the schedule this year.

Uh-oh.

Okay.

Yeah.

I think that's my first time going against Joe Burrow.

Yeah, okay, okay, okay.

You got, do you circle?

Do you, do you circle games?

Do you look at, do you look at the calendar?

Do you look at the schedule like, okay.

All right.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

This is my time.

Yeah, okay.

I like this.

I like this one.

Do you circle games?

Week five.

Y'all play the Bengals week five.

Oh, for real?

i'm going to the game

where they play at and they play in detroit no we play in uh cincinnati

okay okay i'm i i'll see you week five i'm coming out there i'm coming out there see me out there yeah yeah

definitely hey i i feel i don't feel like i got um

like a whole bunch of games but i do be having like revenge games i have like a revenge game or like somebody i ain't play like the bengals you know what i'm saying like yeah like that's one of my games out of the circle because you know i never played them before i always like to play different teams, see different people, see different plays, you know.

Yeah, and you know, they got one of the better offenses, you know, the quarterback, you mentioned Joe, they got T, they got Chase, the triple crown winner.

Um, they're supposed to be really, really good on that side of the football.

So you guys are really going to have your work cut out.

Yeah, and I see my, I see a couple of my dogs out there, Chase Brown and PJ.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So them my dogs, I'm trying to, you know, Jersey Swab, see all them boys.

You know, I say it's always good to see you, you know what I'm saying, your teammates from way in the the back and way in the past so

that's dope well kirby man best of luck stay healthy thanks for giving us a few moments of your time tonight man wishing the uh the lions the best of luck and uh you guys win that division and get to the super bowl man come back and join us and have a conversation with us for sure man for sure man i agree oh go ahead No, I'm saying my meal prep, I'm going to send you the directions on how to take the food, the amounts.

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Are he playing?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I got you.

You're not real.

I promise you.

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i got you i got you twin i got

i do want to thank y'all for having me out here i want to thank god also just for you giving me the opportunity to come out here every day play football you know what i'm saying and just to give back so appreciate y'all for having me that's a love appreciate you for joining the man appreciate that man take care stay healthy man we'll talk to you

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coach gm chris ballard said team is not trading anthony richardson it is easy to say okay he's done i don't agree i've said numerous times, I don't agree with that.

I think overcoming challenges and obstacles along the way are good for anybody, for anybody.

I do.

I'm proud of Anthony, of where he's at and how far he's come.

He's come miles.

It's tough on any young quarterback in this league, but for him to keep taking the growth steps he has and work so hard and not get the goals for himself.

All right, now continue to do that.

That's when we've got a chance to see real growth.

You like that, old Joe?

You like what he had to say?

Absolutely.

Also, also, from a business, from a business side of things,

we know that the long-term answer is not Daniel Jones.

We've seen a small sample side to what Daniel Jones was with the New York Giants.

So, to think that we saw a big sample side, it wasn't small.

Okay, my bad.

But to think that Daniel Jones is the answer long-term, that's not it.

So, why would you trade Anthony Richardson?

He's only 23 years old.

He's probably going to continue to grow, continue to get better.

Sometimes, other quarterbacks reach their potential much sooner than others.

Maybe it's going to take Anthony Richardson a little bit longer.

Maybe the benching now again and losing this spot is a blessing in disguise for him to continue to grow, to continue to get better.

And at some point, if things aren't going well in Indianapolis with Daniel Jones as the starting quarterback, do you know who's going to have to come in and be that savior for the rest of the season?

Brother Anthony Richardson.

Absolutely.

They would not let him go or trade him somewhere else where there is no backup.

No, of course not

no

i i think i don't think he's trading him now now we might be having a different conversation next offseason okay yeah that's different now that's that's depending that's depending if things right with daniel jones and what he shows us what type of growth maturity from the quarterback position being able to execute the offense facilitate the ball without the turnovers without the mental lapses that he has from time to time Now, that can save not just in job, but his future in Indianapolis as well.

yes yes so if he gets an opportunity he's gonna have to take full advantage of it because he's not getting another chance after this ojo

he gets back in there and he doesn't he doesn't take advantage of this opportunity they're gonna move on

i hate because it becomes cost prohibitive for them to keep him on the roster

so

and you're never gonna get the value for i mean you took it with the fourth pick in the draft yeah

The fourth pick in the draft, Ojo, you do realize, like, that's supposed to be, at the fourth pick in the draft, you're supposed to be franchise altering, especially if you're a quarterback.

Yep.

I mean, any player that you're taking it that high up, he's supposed to be friendly.

If it's a quarterback, a running back, a wide receiver, a tight end, he's supposed to be franchise altering.

Yeah.

And

normally you hold, Ocho, you don't have to bench a guy.

Now, we'll see how he took to the benching because we saw what it did for

Bryce Young.

Yeah.

Let's see if it can have the same kind of impact on Richardson.

I hope so.

I hope so.

I hope so too.

Talent.

He's a phenomenal talent, man.

Once he puts it all together, it can be a beautiful thing.

I mean,

look, oh, Joe, but you look at it.

A guy started,

he started 13 games in college.

He started 15 games in the NFL.

That's 28 total starts.

Most of the

really good quarterbacks,

you'll get one or two.

You get a Cam Newton that only starts one year of major college football, 13, 14 games, and Cam.

Or you'll get a Joe Burrow who starts, what, 14, 15 games.

And I think he might have started his junior year.

I'm not sure.

I don't think he started more than 25 games.

With that being said, but most of the time, these guys, you got to get, I mean, not even a whole lot of starts.

13?

Think about it, Ocho.

13 starts and your project, and you get your top five pick.

And the, the, do you know how immensely talented you must be?

Yeah.

But the bad thing about it is the NFL is not patient, though.

The NFL.

Oh, hell no.

The NFL is not patient because you have to understand people jobs on the line.

So when you draft a quarterback that high, that high, and you're expecting to be not only a generational talent, a franchise changing quarterback, you know, listen, the Texans did it.

Hell, the commanders did it.

So

not

with not that.

But look how

many, look how many games.

Look how many games Jayden Daniel started.

He started like damn near 50 games, old.

Yeah, and that's the difference.

Well, obviously, there needs to be a little patience on the Indianapolis Colts side on that franchise, but they don't have that kind of patience.

They don't have that kind of time because people jobs on the line, huh?

People job on the line.

I can't be patient for the simple fact in three years, I'm going to have to give a guy a quarter of a billion dollars.

And you telling me to be patient.

Now, it's not something like, you know, once upon a time, if I can see, Ocho, if it's like if I got 10 cars, you know, I can like, man, this car might be worth something.

I can sit that one to the side.

I can't sit my, man, because growing up, Ocho, we had a Chevelle, we had a

Chevelle SS with the rally racing stripes down there.

We had all, we had a Malibu, we had all that stuff.

We couldn't set that car aside because that was our everyday car.

Right.

I can't stash Anthony Richardson

because I need him to play,

but I need him to play well.

Because in three years, I'm going to have to give him a quarter of a billion dollars.

I'm about to have to, somebody's about to get a contract for 400 million, Ocho.

Yeah.

And 250 to 300, 275 is going to be guaranteed.

So I can't stash.

I can't be patient.

Now, it used to be, I'm going to let the eggs hatch.

Nah, I get my chick list from smashing the eggs.

Come on up out of there, damn it.

I'm just being honest with you, Ocho.

Look, you've been in the league.

I've been in the league.

We've been around the league.

That's how it is now.

Ain't nobody waiting.

Nobody waiting on you.

Listen, most of the time, honestly, you think about owners, you think about owners, especially in the NFL, they want instant gratification.

They want

because most of the owners, they're businessmen.

And most of the time, what businessmen do is when they want results right now, they throw money at it.

But it doesn't work like that in the NFL.

No.

It doesn't work like that.

So the frustration piles up because in other areas of business and aspects that I have going on around, once I throw money at something, right away I get results.

But it just doesn't work that way when it comes to NFL and finding an adequate quarterback that you can rely on for a decade that you can just build around.

Well, the thing that you and I talk about is that all of a sudden you start to base your success on somebody else's.

See, they don't have patience because I'm looking around the league and I see what Bo Nicks did.

I look around the league and I see what jaden daniels did i look around the league and i see what cj stroud did so now hold on

oh wait wait you went higher than than than bow

why why you not play like that why can't you be why can't you be cj stroud why can't you be jaden daniels so now you're basing your guy's success on someone else's success

And so now it's almost like, oh, Joe, you looking at somebody else.

You basing your marriage on someone else's.

Okay, they look happy, but you don't know.

You don't know what they put into their marriage to be happy.

You don't know what how they're coaching said player.

You don't know how he receives information.

You don't understand how he processes information.

So, with all that being said, you're looking at it, you just looking at it, like, well, damn, I see, look at his numbers and look at my quarterback numbers.

It's not

that black and white, it's not that cut and dry.

There's a lot of, there are a lot of other things that go into it whether or not a player will be successful

and

now i got to like okay like you said okay be patient well

that's where you do your homework

and if you take it if you take it a project you have to be patient right you can't expect him to come out and be like be like cj stroud you can't expect him to be like a jaden daniels you can't expect him to be like caleb williams a guy that started at oklahoma what is it it oklahoma and then he follows a lincoln rally to usc you can't expect that that man got 30 plus starts on his belt

you got half that jay and daniel got like damn 50 starts

you don't have that so if you if it's like oh joe it's like a a a a car an old school car you just can't slap it together when people say they're doing a rebuild on a car they're going to take their time and do it it's going to take them years

but the is is that

i have other cars i can drive so i'm not counting on this car so i can take my time right oh yo bro this pro sports they're not waiting

they're not waiting those days of oh and two or three years man look here i might be dead they go i might be dead i might so i might have done sold a team right

i'm not waiting no two or three years i need you to get it right now

And when you don't get it right, you're not going to have too many guys that you select in the top five

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