Nightcap Hour 1: Unc & Ocho react to Adam Thielen TRADE + Kyle Hamilton’s $100M deal + Kerby Joseph joins the show

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Speaker 10 we have two very special guests joining us tonight the safety from the Detroit Lions, Kirby Joseph, and the big defensive tackle from the Seattle Seahawks, Leonard Williams, joining us a bit later.

Speaker 10 But first, oh Joe, first, all-pro safety Kyle Hamilton and the Ravens have reached an agreement. A four-year extension worth $100.4 million

Speaker 10 is the largest deal for safety in NFL history, and the deal includes

Speaker 10 $82 million.

Speaker 10 However, they got a bigger deal, Loomi. Yeah, Lamar Jackson.
His salary cap number is $43.5 million in $25, $74.5 million in $26.

Speaker 10 With Lamar continued, he still represents himself here and his mom.

Speaker 10 Are we headed for a long drawn-out negotiation, or is this going to be simple and painful?

Speaker 11 It's going to be simple and plain. It's simply the fact: this is quarterback number one.
This is the future of your organization, probably for the next 10 years.

Speaker 11 Obviously, we saw, we saw young bull down there in Buffalo get his deal. I forgot what the numbers were, but I know I think it was in North was maybe 300, 330, something like that.

Speaker 10 Yeah, yeah. I think it's over 300 with 250.

Speaker 11 Yeah, 250 guaranteed. So obviously Lamar is going to be somewhere probably going to leapfrog that in some way, shape, form, or fashion.

Speaker 11 Representation. being his mom, them having the right people in their corner, understanding how everything works, being that they've already worked one deal.

Speaker 11 So it's pretty easy where the numbers are going to be, and they're going to work it out.

Speaker 11 And I'm not, maybe, I wouldn't be surprised if it happens maybe before the season or maybe in the middle of the season.

Speaker 11 But it's probably going to be done as simply when it comes to certain players, huh? When it comes to certain players, especially this position, you don't play no games.

Speaker 11 You don't play no games in that position. So the quarterbacks have nothing to worry about except just football alone.

Speaker 10 Yeah,

Speaker 10 I like them going ahead and getting this deal with

Speaker 10 Kyle Hamilton out of the way. They tie it up.
The Ravens are normally very, very good about this. Their homegrown talent, they take care of those guys.
They always have. I believe they always will.

Speaker 10 You go back and look at the Jonathan Ognans, the Ray Lewises, the Terrell Subs, Ed Reed.

Speaker 10 Those guys, they take care of their guys. They've always done that.
They took care of Lamar. Now, they did make Lamar play, you know, or the franchise tag one year.
I was surprised.

Speaker 10 Well, he didn't play on the franchise tag.

Speaker 10 Nobody even put money down when how many guys

Speaker 10 needed a quarterback and could have given up easily two first-round draft picks. I don't think, I think that's the Gordon rate for a quarterback of Lamar, two first-rounders.

Speaker 10 You'd have been gladly giving those guys up because, hell, you figure that when you give those guys up, that you're going to be so far down in the draft, it's not going to harm you.

Speaker 10 You don't think when you get Lamar Jackson, you're going to be picking in the top 10 again. With that being said, they took care of Kyle Hamilton.
Now they can put their tension on Lamar Jackson.

Speaker 10 And I agree with you. At some point in time, this deal is going to get done.
They're not going into the season next year with a $75 million cap hit for a quarterback.

Speaker 10 Could I potentially see them doing something done, getting something done?

Speaker 10 It all depends on him. Because at the end of the day, Ocho, you said it, best.
He and his mom are their representation.

Speaker 10 They do have an NFL PA attorney, I think, to help them read over language and probably pay an hourly rate or something like that. That's better than giving up 3% to 4%.

Speaker 10 I'll pay you hourly. I'll give you, you know, 15 whatever the case may be.
Let's just say a round number.

Speaker 10 Let's just say $1,000 an hour for you to read over the contract to make sure everything's on the up and up all the language is is is what it needs to be but with that being said he's not going into next season with no 75 million dollar cap hit that's that's for damn sure

Speaker 10 and i i think it's going to be it's going to happen sooner rather than later that he's going to get something done and uh i can see i agree with you i i can see them somewhere at some point in time getting a deal done if He wants to get it done.

Speaker 10 He might say, well, if we don't get this thing done by the first game, I'm done talking contracts until after the season.

Speaker 11 Obviously, when you think about someone like Lamar, someone like Lamar that I know personally, he's strictly football.

Speaker 11 When it comes to the business side of things, obviously he has mom right there to handle those issues. But Lamar is one that just wants to play football.

Speaker 11 We understand the nature of the business, and you don't want to get yourself. in any type of distractional situations that can take you from said game of football.

Speaker 11 But obviously, his eye is on the prize and that eye is on the prize has nothing to do with money because he's already been paid.

Speaker 11 So his focus is on doing what we need to do to dominate in the AFC North and contend and get ourselves to for one the playoffs and to get over the hump of getting out the playoffs and having a chance at the goddamn Lombardi.

Speaker 10 You're absolutely right. Um,

Speaker 10 look,

Speaker 10 the guy's a two-time MVP.

Speaker 11 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, you're not gonna pay, no, no, no, no, no, he's a three-time MVP.

Speaker 11 He's a three-time MVP. Now, they took one of those MVPs from him based on one of the best statistical seasons from a quarterback in the history of the game.

Speaker 10 So

Speaker 11 I love Josh Allen. But last year's MVP was a damn here.
That's what that was.

Speaker 11 I'm just being realistic, huh? That's one of the damn here. That's what that was.

Speaker 10 But you're going to pay Lamar Jackson, a guy that's not even 30 years of age yet. You're going to pay him, you believe, the next five to seven years.

Speaker 10 He'll still put up the kind of numbers that he's been putting putting up the last three to four years.

Speaker 10 30, 40 pass touchdowns still can give you somewhere between 500 and 800 rush yards.

Speaker 10 Low turnover rate.

Speaker 10 Like you said, he just needs to get over that hunt. He just needs to get that one time to play like Lamar Jackson in the regular season.

Speaker 10 Because so many times we've seen him, he went like a stretch where he had eight, nine games. Locho, he ain't the ball over.
He didn't fumble the ball. He didn't throw a pick.
He did none of that.

Speaker 10 And then he got, I think in that playoff game, the divisional round against baltimore he ended up having two turnovers look he still had him in position if uh the tight end if he catches that uh mark andrews if he catches that two-point play now we we're possibly in the overtime or or i mean the defense is going to have to stand to keep josh allen out of field goal range and then we go to overtime we'll never know but we have yet to see lamar jackson play in a in a big-time game come postseason like the lamar jackson that we thought should have won the mvp see because if that guy showed up, they go into the Super Bowl.

Speaker 11 Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 10 And

Speaker 10 that's what we keep expecting, OJo. That's what we keep wanting to see because we know

Speaker 10 he has it in him because we've seen it.

Speaker 10 It's not like

Speaker 10 we're not asking Lamar Jackson to do anything he has not put on tape in the regular season. That's the only thing.
Because we've seen him put on tape. He throw for 300.

Speaker 10 He'll rush for 50, 70, 80 yards. We've seen him have three touchdown passes, two touchdown rushing.
So we're not asking him to do anything that we have not already seen with our own eyes.

Speaker 10 It's just that in the playoffs, more times than not, he's turned the ball over. And

Speaker 10 once he gets that out of his way, you know, sometimes it takes others longer to do.

Speaker 10 We've gotten spoiled. Tom Brady went his

Speaker 10 first year of starting, he went.

Speaker 10 Patrick Mahomes, his first year of starting. He goes to the FC championship game the next year, his second year of starting.

Speaker 10 He wins the Super Bowl. He wins regular season MVP.

Speaker 10 and that's the same thing with lamar think about it lamar his first year starting he wasn't super he wasn't the mvp so we know who and what he can capable of we just need him to be that person come play

Speaker 10 and if he does that the ravens gonna be hell because the ravens got they got a heck of a football team they got a heck of a football team i think john harbaugh is an unbelievable coach defensively they got guys that fly around to the football they got jaher alexander they got wiggins outside they got uh marlon humper in the slot they got hamilton they took it it safe.

Speaker 10 I think they took another safety in the first round. They're good.
Roquan Smith, Matthew.

Speaker 10 Look,

Speaker 10 they're loaded. They got Bateman.
They got

Speaker 10 Zay Flower.

Speaker 10 The running back. Look, Ricard is back.
They got Derrick Henry. They got Staley is back.
Lamar. They are loaded.

Speaker 10 Lively is going to be out a little while because I think he got dealing with a foot injury. But they got Mark Andrews, who's been an all-pro, who's gone to multiple Pro Bowls.
This team is loaded.

Speaker 10 This team is equipped, and they should

Speaker 10 be thinking, hey, we got to take care of, we got to take care of business and win our division, but they should have loftier expectations based on the personnel that they have on the team and based on the coach, the coaching staff that they have.

Speaker 10 But yeah, Lamar, they're going to get something done. $43.5 million.

Speaker 10 That's not... excessive as far as the cap, OJo, but $75.

Speaker 10 That's way old. That's way old.

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Speaker 10 What else we got here? The Panthers trade Adam Thielen to the Vikings as the veteran receiver returns home. He is from Minnesota.
The teams agreed to

Speaker 10 swap picks. The Vikings gave up a fifth-round pick in 26 and a fourth-round pick in 27.
Carolina yields a conditional seventh round pick in 26 and a fifth round in 27.

Speaker 10 OJO, did the Vikings get better bringing him back?

Speaker 11 I think they got better. Just the veteran presence in general.
Just veteran presence in general having, having obviously Jordan Addison going to be out.

Speaker 11 So you have Adam Thielen that can come in right now and play. And if you think about it, I'm sure people probably don't see or probably don't know, but Adam Thielen and J.J.

Speaker 11 McCarthy, they worked out in the offseason together. They were getting routes in, even though that's not his quarterback, they were getting some routes in.

Speaker 11 So there's a little bit of chemistry and familiarity in that area in that sense so really adam thieling coming back being able being able to acclimate right back to that offense right back at home i think they're going to be fine it's a great addition for them and obviously them the panthers letting them go let you know how good and how much they believe in that young receiving jimmy horn made the active roster yeah but but you jimmy horn jr made the active roster damn right jimmy horn but gonna make it jimmy horn is one of the better rookies in the nfl especially when it comes to route running and being able to create separation and get open so i understood that hell jimmy was so goddamn good they let brother hunter winfro brother hunter winfro go and winfro is one if considered one of the better route runners and also at creating separation and be able to get open but that's how good that's how good they are obviously i'm very very high very very high and i've spoke highly of that receiving core over there in carolina and if they're if they're to have a year and want to compete not only in that division but have a successful season is going to be upon that receiving core leading brother Bryce Young to the promised land.

Speaker 11 So outside of that, I'm happy for Adam Thielen. He's going to be just fine back in Minnesota.
J.J. McCarthy, Justin Jefferson, Adam Thielen.

Speaker 11 And when Jordan Addison comes back, that's a nice trio to have. Very nice trio.

Speaker 10 Yeah. And you still got Hawkinson, who's who's another year removed from that injury, Aaron Jones in the backfield.
Yeah, I like the move. This is a Carolinas opportunity.

Speaker 10 I mean, I would have liked for him to stay there and help mentor some of those young receivers, Ocho, that they have in Carolina. But

Speaker 10 Carolinas look like it's, I guess, it's time for them to grow up. It's time for them to grow up.

Speaker 10 We're counting on these young guys.

Speaker 10 You got Macmillan. You got Leggette.
You got...

Speaker 11 Jalen Coker.

Speaker 10 Coker, you got Jimmy Horn Jr., like you said. So they got some young talent.
Now it's just time for them.

Speaker 10 They don't have what you call a veteran presence in that locker room, Ocho, at the receiver position. They have veterans on the team.
But

Speaker 10 I like the move. Would I have been disappointed if Carolina said no, but they said, you know what? For a fourth round pick in 27,

Speaker 10 yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We go ahead.

Speaker 10 We let y'all have this. And I understand Minnesota because, like you said, Jordan Addison is going to be gone for three games.

Speaker 10 So now we got somebody to come in that a veteran presence that understands the gravity and the magnitude of these games.

Speaker 10 They're in a very tough division, OJo.

Speaker 11 That Green Bay's in that division detroit's in that division we believe chicago will be better that's in that division so detroit's like nah we don't want to have any excuses we don't have any slippage we want to get off hit the ground running and i think adam theelin gives them a great opportunity to do that but uh so i like the trade for both but if carolina said nah to keep adam the help him groom some of these young guys i wouldn't have been upset at that idea you have to understand why they let him go i think people in the chat need to understand when it comes to veteran players that are on teams and you have a young receiving core that is impressed not only in the preseason but in training camp that's the only time you let a veteran presence presence of a player like adam thielen go because you trust what you've already seen you trust what those young those young bulls have put on film so now we know you know what we're gonna be okay we're gonna be okay and we're gonna let them boys take the torch

Speaker 10 yeah And that's your thing. Look,

Speaker 10 a part of us all want to go back home. You know, Dorothy wanted to go back to campus.

Speaker 10 A part of us want to go back to where it started from.

Speaker 10 And, you know, if you think about it,

Speaker 10 normally when a lot of people escape, what the first place they go? They catch them at home.

Speaker 10 They go back to an old familiar surroundings.

Speaker 10 And so I think for Adam, Adam, you know, he's like, man, I'm from Minnesota. I spent the first 10 years of my career in Minnesota.
You know what?

Speaker 10 And my family, he's probably, Minnesota is probably going to be home for him.

Speaker 10 Man, I mean, he's probably thinking, didn't know if it would ever come to fruition he's probably thinking man i sure would like to get home i sure would like to you know finally play a last year or two in in in minnesota and here it is he's he's going home and uh minnesota pull off a swap they give up a fifth round pick in 26 and a fourth round in 27 carolina get a uh uh gets a seventh round pick in 26th and a fifth round in 27.

Speaker 10 so

Speaker 10 I think everybody's happy, OJo. But like you said, those young receivers in Carolina,

Speaker 10 they impressed enough that Carolina was willing to move off a veteran presence, a guy that's steady, dependable. You know exactly what you're going to get.
He's hardworking.

Speaker 10 He's a guy that can mentor the young guys, but they say, you know what?

Speaker 10 These young guys are ready.

Speaker 11 Absolutely.

Speaker 10 During Terry McCarran's push for a new contract, age was cited as a big factor in the reluctance. Terry turns 30 in mid-September.

Speaker 10 That ultimately didn't stop the team from agreeing on a three-year deal with the wide-out.

Speaker 10 At the press conference today, McLaurin was was asked about his response to the concerns that neither he nor the deal will age well the data is the data but i think people uh uh uh they're outliers they're people who may not necessarily fit into that set of data only time will tell but i feel like where things are in my ability in january i ran like 60 yard screen for a touchdown my speed hasn't diminished at all my toughness is there if anything my savviness of playing receiver has grown hey listen

Speaker 11 honestly, I'm just listening. All the analytics and data and stuff that they have based on age and wear and tear and amount of miles on your legs, none of that really matters, huh?

Speaker 11 None of it really matters. It only matters to us.

Speaker 10 No, it doesn't matter to us. It doesn't matter about us.

Speaker 11 It just matters to those who cut those checks. They pay the check.
That's all. That's all.
And so they look at it from a business standpoint. Maybe I won't get another Terry McLaurin.

Speaker 11 I can get somebody that can give me half the production. and I can put that money elsewhere.
That's the way they think.

Speaker 11 But when it comes to a team that is on the verge of being able to go to a Super Bowl that has a young quarterback that you haven't had to pay yet, you want to make a deal like this happen, which I don't understand why they were waiting.

Speaker 11 From a business standpoint, why are we waiting? Are you serious about winning? Them getting that deal done for Terry Mulan lets me know that they're serious about winning.

Speaker 11 And the quarterback not having the power or leverage to be able to go upstairs and say, listen, we need to get this done. We need to get this done because we have a small window of opportunity.

Speaker 11 We have a good, we have okay defense, but I understand we can do offensively if we have number 17 in this room for us to make that run for Lombardi. Hell, we got to the NFC championship with him.

Speaker 11 He was, I'm not sure what percentage, but he was, he was responsible for a high percentage of that offense, especially when it comes to throwing the ball in the air. So what is there to play about?

Speaker 10 I don't care what data. I don't care what analytics say.

Speaker 11 I know what happens. I know what he does when you put, when you turn that goddamn film on and 17, he going to show up every time.

Speaker 10 The question is, OJo, what we don't know. We're not privy to these conversations.
Did he lower the ceiling ceiling or did they raise the floor? Ooh, that's a good one.

Speaker 11 That's a good one. I got to write.

Speaker 10 That's what you and I are not privy to those conversations. So, and what I mean by that, chat, did he lower his price or did they raise their, did they raise their offer?

Speaker 10 And, and, and so that's what we don't know. All we know is that the deal got done.
Um, you and I both think maybe it took a little longer than probably what it should, but

Speaker 10 in any negotiation, there needs to be a give and take because you don't want someone to begrudgingly give you something and then you guys become resentful of each other. But by the same token,

Speaker 10 you don't want to like, man, feel like you got screwed over because now you're going to feel like you, you know, they tried, they took advantage of you.

Speaker 10 So I think at this, at the number that he ended up getting, I think everybody can live. I think everybody can live with that.
He doesn't have to go in and play on that fifth year option.

Speaker 10 Now he gets to come, now he gets to,

Speaker 10 I think, he gets to come in and get a good number.

Speaker 10 Like I said, OJo,

Speaker 10 what can he do with 32 million that he only needed 34 million to be able to do?

Speaker 11 Yeah, listen, he comes in fair. It's a respectful, it's a respectful offer.
Obviously, it's not the highest. It's not as high as you want, obviously, because you are 30, but they found a happy median.

Speaker 11 A happy medium for him, his family, wife, kids. They can be happy.
The team is happy. Jaden Daniels gets his court,

Speaker 11 Jaden Daniels gets his receiver on a nice, peace, sound mind. So now all you can do, the business side of it is over.
Let's go play football.

Speaker 11 Let's play football and prepare for week one with no distractions.

Speaker 10 We all good.

Speaker 10 Yeah. Because

Speaker 10 they're going to have to do something with Larry McTunso. They're going to have to do something with Louvo.

Speaker 10 Are they going to do anything with Marshawn Lattimore?

Speaker 10 Jaden Daniels is coming up after next year.

Speaker 10 So, you know, they got some other pieces and they needed to get this out of the way so they don't have this, you know, going into a next season with Tunsil and Lovu and those other and a few other guys.

Speaker 10 Oh, Joe, let's go ahead and

Speaker 10 piece by piece because in two years, you're going to have to go see five. I think he's number ain't Jane Daniels five yet.

Speaker 10 You're going to have to see it.

Speaker 10 And it's going to cost you a chunk of change now.

Speaker 10 It's going to be pretty now.

Speaker 10 Yeah, you're going to have to do something strange.

Speaker 10 You have to do something strange to pay that piece of special.

Speaker 11 You got to understand, you got three quarterbacks, right?

Speaker 10 That's going to come up and it's going to break the bank for their team.

Speaker 11 So you want to take advantage of those situations now. Over there in Houston, boy, you better back the Brink truck up.
Down there in Washington, you better be able to back the Brink truck up.

Speaker 11 At some point, I think after the season, no, Caleb Williams got one more.

Speaker 10 Bo Nicks.

Speaker 11 They finna have to back the Brink truck up.

Speaker 10 Well, he got another year, too.

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Speaker 10 uh it's gonna yeah i mean look the thing is you try to win as much as you can um because when these quarterbacks these young quarterbacks when it's time to dance now it it it kind of inhibits what you're able to do you can't just arbitrarily go okay okay, I'll just go get that.

Speaker 10 Because when you have him on his rookie contract, you can do that. You can go get a guy and think about just one year.
Okay, I think about just the now, just the here.

Speaker 10 But once you pay that guy and you talk about you're paying a guy 50, 60, and you're looking at this case, you're probably talking about somewhere between 63 and

Speaker 10 67, 68 million dollars. Who knows? Maybe even you touch seven.
Without blinking the eye.

Speaker 10 Yeah, and so you're looking at a quarter of a bill, a quarter of a quarter of a billy

Speaker 10 guarantee.

Speaker 10 So

Speaker 10 that's kind of where you're headed now. So with that being said, I think, you know, these guys, these general managers and the teams are trying to

Speaker 10 lock these guys up. So we don't want to have to do, I'm trying to do Laramie Tunsil.
I'm trying to do Lovu. I'm trying to do Jaden Daniels.
I'm trying to do whomever else.

Speaker 10 Let me go ahead and get, do, I deal with one thing I can fight one battle at a time.

Speaker 10 I don't want to spread myself too thin. Let me fight one battle at a time.
Okay. I got to fight Jay and Daniels.
Let me go ahead and get this tank care of. Okay.
I need to deal with Tunsil.

Speaker 10 I need to deal with Lovu. I need to deal whomever.
Let me deal with one individual at a time. And I think they'll be better served with that.

Speaker 10 But

Speaker 10 it was good that McLaurin got his money. And, you know, look,

Speaker 10 whether we like it or not, Ocho, everybody is losing

Speaker 10 analytics. Because guess what else everybody uses? AI.

Speaker 10 Pretty soon they're going to come with AI. The team's going to be using AI to determine.
I mean, listen,

Speaker 11 the game of football is still football at the end of the day. I don't care what technology, what data, what analytics that teams try to go off of.

Speaker 11 Certain type of players win you championships. You're going to need your dogs in there.
There's certain things that analytics and data can't measure. They can't measure skill.

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Speaker 10 Oh, Joe, hold up. We're going to come back to that.
We got a very special guest joining us right now. We got

Speaker 10 All-Pro Safety from the Detroit Lions led the league in interception last year.

Speaker 10 here he is ladies and gentlemen kirby joseph kj what it doing y'all man i just want to thank y'all for having me on here kirby well you got money boy you got stars in your ceiling yeah i see that i see that i was thinking the same thing

Speaker 10 i'm thinking the same thing i ain't never seen nothing like that boy what you driving hey man just know i'm in that i'm in that thing

Speaker 10 you know that color that looks like a color to the sun that would look like oh dope

Speaker 10 but for where i'm sitting

Speaker 10 you know i'm sitting you know many many miles away but that would it look like man i'm in the gap gaps right now. It looked like you in space, boy.

Speaker 10 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 10 Yeah, yeah. Hey, how you doing?

Speaker 10 How was your offseason coming in? Because look, the last couple of years, you get to the NFC championship game, you lose to the divisional round. So how is your offseason?

Speaker 10 And how do you lose the last two seasons, this offseason, to get you right where you need to be coming into this season? So, to be honest, I felt like that last season made me even hungrier.

Speaker 10 hungrier, you know, just getting a taste of like that I can do it, then I'm going to like achieve it all. That's just how I am as a person.
You know what I'm saying? I'm never going to stop at nine.

Speaker 10 Like, you know what I'm saying? I got nine interceptions. I'm not going to stop at nine.

Speaker 10 I'm always going to try to PR, you know, because I feel like if you're not getting better, you're getting worse.

Speaker 11 Hey,

Speaker 11 how was camp this year? How's the body holding up? Obviously, are you going?

Speaker 11 Uncle always has a saying, if you, if you limp into the season, you're going to limp out the season. How's your body holding up? How did Cam go?

Speaker 10 And how you feeling going into week one man honestly everything went great man i feel like we had a great camp i just feel like um

Speaker 10 i know now like you know this is like year four for me so it's like a lot of stuff i don't seen before so like that that that that saying that saying like oh the more years you play like the more experience you'll get like it's that's like that's the truth you know

Speaker 10 cliche

Speaker 10 look Last year, you guys, man, you got up to this great start. You played pretty well all year, but these injuries started to mount.

Speaker 10 You lose a D lineman, you lose a D tackle, you lose a linebacker, you lose a backup, you lose, you just kept losing player after player.

Speaker 10 And AG did a great job and Coach Campbell, your head coach, did a great job of keeping this team standing. Like no matter who we lose, guys, hey, this is why we have 53-man rosters.

Speaker 10 Hey, guys come in, you do your job. That's all I need you to do.
It's your job. It had to be frustrating.
You're like, well, damn, bro, I mean,

Speaker 10 at some point in time, we got to run out of defensive players. We can't lose anybody else.
Yeah, last year, that was crazy. I never seen nothing like that in football.

Speaker 10 I never seen that before. That it was, I wouldn't say it was frustrating, but it was kind of heartbreaking just seeing my brothers, you know what I'm saying, like

Speaker 10 get injured and stuff because nobody wants to get injured in this game. You know what I'm saying? But we love playing this game, and you know, that's what we signed up for.

Speaker 10 You know, injuries are going to happen, but like, how that happened,

Speaker 10 yeah,

Speaker 10 I never seen that before. But

Speaker 10 I feel like, man, we just knew what we had to do. You know, I mean, you know, guys go down.
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 10 And if it's something like that that happens, man, I feel like I don't pride myself on like just having like, I wouldn't say I, but I feel like us as a team, we don't, we don't,

Speaker 10 how should I say, we don't believe in like ones and twos. You know what I'm saying? It's like the next person got to go.
Right, right. Everyone is there.

Speaker 10 Because like, I I tell the group all the time, like, even everybody, it's going to take all of us to win. You know what I'm saying? So, like, as a team, that's just what you got to do.

Speaker 10 You know what I'm saying? When your brother down, man, you got to step up to the plate.

Speaker 10 How different?

Speaker 11 Go ahead, Audrey.

Speaker 11 Now, I'm going to say, obviously, with AG being, being gone, I'm one of the one, I've always come to bat for you guys, regardless of who the person is calling defensive plays, with AG now being with the Jets, but the same players are still there.

Speaker 11 So regardless of who's calling the plays,

Speaker 11 from your perspective and your point, are you still allowed the freedom to be able to do what you want to do at the safety position, being that you're as good as you are, being able to have a little freedom to do what you want?

Speaker 10 Are you allowed that now? Yeah, I feel like I wouldn't say now, I always had a little freedom, especially when AG was there, just

Speaker 10 learning as I go.

Speaker 10 I feel like, yeah, the same players are here. You know what I'm saying? You know, AG,

Speaker 10 I'm a missile, you know what I'm saying? But, you know, he had to go do what he had to do at the Jets. You know what I'm saying? I'm wishing them good luck and all.

Speaker 10 But I feel like, I don't feel like the level of play is going to decline at all.

Speaker 10 If anything, I feel like it'll increase a lot more. You know what I'm saying? Cause now I feel like

Speaker 10 it's just, you know, it's a new coach of staff change. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 10 Everybody has to go through that coaching staff change and that building relationships and the adversity you have to go through throughout the season. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 10 So I just feel like it's a new turning point, you know, new chapter.

Speaker 10 Right.

Speaker 11 That's the thing for me when I'm thinking. I think about safety play.
You wanted a better seed, probably actually the best safety in the NFL, you know, along with Kyle Hamilton.

Speaker 11 And to be able to get the amount of picks you get, there's a certain amount of freedom that you have to have that it can't be schemed. It can't be scripted.
It's not X and O's.

Speaker 11 It's just you being able to have free will to make decisions based on your eye discipline and what you see.

Speaker 11 So I know you have a new coaching staff, and most of the time you get coaches that come in and they have, I don't want to, I think maybe not ego for the most part, but I want you to do things my way and my way only.

Speaker 11 So I was just curious if, even with the new coaching staff, are you still allowed to have free will outside of the X and those to be able to play your game?

Speaker 10 Yeah, for sure. I feel like

Speaker 10 one thing I noticed about

Speaker 10 a lot of my teammates on the team is that

Speaker 10 we're football players. I feel like the team does a great job of allowing us to be football players because, you know, football is not just what you see on paper.

Speaker 10 It's not going to be like that in the game. So you got to understand stuff happen.
So you got to, you know, you got to play football, though. You just got to to play football.

Speaker 10 Thank you. Thank you.
Thank you. Thank you.

Speaker 11 Thank you.

Speaker 11 I like that you said that because listen, something that I always struggle with. Somebody, obviously, when I was playing,

Speaker 11 you go in,

Speaker 11 they put the scheme, the taxes, this is what we're running. They do the exit nose.
It's a straight line. And he cuts right.
I'm like, dude, that's not how it happens in real time.

Speaker 10 No.

Speaker 11 You got people moving, pushing and tugging. So it's kind of different out there on the field.

Speaker 11 And most of the time, I would always tell my officer coordinator, give me a little freedom to do what I do but i'm going to stay within the timing of the offense and the same thing on defense it's all about reading reacting in a certain amount of time but i'm going to do everything i can the way you draw it up but you got to give me some freedom you don't have me out there playing like a goddamn robot

Speaker 10 yeah but go ahead go ahead i'm excited my bad i can't play football like a robot that it's just not in me bro i gotta right right

Speaker 10 No, my question is, is that you got somebody in your division that you face twice a year that was your offensive coordinator for a long period of time.

Speaker 10 And, you know, he's drawing up plays to beat the defense in training camp. You guys are trying to scheme plays to stop the offensive training camp.
So

Speaker 10 how fun, how different, how difficult do you think it'll be to face Ben Johnson? We know he's one of the best offensive minds in football, and he happens to be in your division.

Speaker 10 You played them twice a year, and they've loaded up. They went and got drafted a receiver in the second round.
They drafted a tight end in the first round. They shored up their offensive line.

Speaker 10 They're seemingly in the preseason. And I don't, don't want to put too much on the preseason, Kirby, but it seems to be they're flying around defensively.

Speaker 10 But you know, their bread is butted on the offense. They got a first round draft pick.
They got DJ Moore. They got Roma Dunze.
I think they got,

Speaker 10 was it Burton? I think they took Burton in the second round of Missouri. They got Loveland and Cole Comet.
So they're a really good team.

Speaker 10 But, you know, you're familiar with him and he's familiar with you guys.

Speaker 10 I like that you said that. Because,

Speaker 10 like, you know, Ben, Ben had to go do what he had to do just like a g did you know i'm happy for him you know what i'm saying the opportunity um yeah they got some guys over there you know what i'm saying but uh ben know what's up with me

Speaker 10 like you said he looked at he know what's up with me bro he know what's up

Speaker 10 so i'm never going back down or uh away from competition because honestly i feel like that he knows the players and he knows kind of the scheme we run and stuff i feel like it's more of a challenge you know so i feel like it's always a always a way to get better and i feel like that's a big big test right there.

Speaker 10 I like it. Hey, yeah, you know what? I would tell me, I want you to tell me this, Dan Campbell, because when he first got the job, that man talking about bite kneecaps, he gonna do all this.

Speaker 10 I'm like, well, damn.

Speaker 10 So

Speaker 10 what's he really when the cameras are not there and it's just you guys at practice and and you guys are in the meeting room or you what's Dan Campbell like?

Speaker 10 Honestly, man, I feel like, I feel like, I feel like Dan Campbell, that's just a great coach.

Speaker 10 I feel like he's more of a player's coach because just because he understands

Speaker 10 what we put our body through and what we go through throughout this,

Speaker 10 he was a former player. So he kind of understands how everything be.
I feel like he does a great job of taking care of us. And he shows that he's passionate, you know, about a lot of things we do.

Speaker 10 Like the reason why he's telling us

Speaker 10 these things, he's telling us is because he wants us to win. Not only him to win, but he wants us to win.
You know what I'm saying? Like you people, what I'm saying, it's not just him or the team.

Speaker 10 It's us because we're doing this as a group we're a team you know what i'm saying we reach a one goal together so i feel like he does a great job of just teaching us that you know what i'm saying and a lot of the drills we do or a lot of the practices or the meeting the team meetings and stuff like that man i just felt like man every time that man get up and go up on that podium or whatever he talk

Speaker 10 i'm ready to go right now I'm ready right now.

Speaker 10 I'm ready right now. So I just, man, I love Coach Campbell, man.
He does, you know what I'm saying, everything.

Speaker 11 I like it. I like.
Hey, what's your nutrition like are you are you one of those healthy eaters you know eat eat green stuff all the time like are you are you big into that i'm a survivor

Speaker 10 you know what i'm saying i'm gonna try to eat good but if it good

Speaker 10 i ain't got you know i'm saying i'm not gonna go over the extent to just starve myself or not meet food i'm gonna eat my

Speaker 11 see i like it see so that brings me to my next question i don't eat pork

Speaker 11 okay okay okay that's cool listen i want to provide my my services uh you know i'm i'm a meal prep, so I can provide you with meals

Speaker 11 Monday through Sunday. I only charge $20 a week.

Speaker 10 You a meal prep for it?

Speaker 11 Yeah, yeah, I'm a meal prep.

Speaker 10 No.

Speaker 11 Listen, I'm trying to make sure you get the greatest output every Sunday or Thursday night or Monday nights, whenever y'all might play. And you're my first client.
So I'm not taking no for answer.

Speaker 11 I'm not taking no for answer. I'm telling you, so I'm going to let the world know.
Listen, I'm your nutritionist from now on. And I thank you for giving me the opportunity.
Okay, bet.

Speaker 10 All right, bro. It's all good.
I'm going to check you out, though. I'm going to check you out, bro.

Speaker 10 Yeah, I got a new job.

Speaker 11 I got a new job.

Speaker 10 Kurt,

Speaker 10 you guys traded Tim Patrick, Jameson Williams, going into his like third. Jameson,

Speaker 10 do you think he's ready to take that next step? Because we've seen him.

Speaker 10 So the flashes, we know what Amon Roth, we know what he's going to do, but not Jameson.

Speaker 10 you know and and at first he was just that guy that tried to get deep but now you can just put the ball you can hand it to him and he can go hit his head on the goalpost you can throw him a smoke screen jailbreak screen and he can go get the he can go to the end zone so what what do you think what what can we expect to see from from jameson this year man

Speaker 10 honestly i'm so i'm so proud of jimmo man Jimmo is one of the guys that you, you know, you see out there, and he just continues to get better.

Speaker 10 And you know what I'm saying? And I feel like this year, I feel like they ain't seen this Jimmo yet. Damn, they ain't seen this Jimmo yet.
And so, so I ain't, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 10 I ain't gonna put it all out though, but

Speaker 10 the Jammo this year for sure.

Speaker 10 I like him.

Speaker 10 He ready to run.

Speaker 11 Hey, where Brian Branch at, man?

Speaker 10 Man, BB.

Speaker 10 Yeah, man.

Speaker 10 I don't know right now. He probably some of them, but man, that's man, that's none of the guys on another guy on the team that continues to just work hard, bro.
Like,

Speaker 10 bro,

Speaker 10 his back is uh tools or whatever he used

Speaker 11 he may he nice listen i talked about him i talked about him all last year matter of fact it got to the point where it was almost weird i tweeted about him and you so much to the point where it's like i was uh like i was stalking but i'm listening i appreciate secondary play db play so much even though i'm receiver i was giving y'all y'all boys credit week in and week out just the way y'all play the game and the way y'all approach to the game so i'm i'm i'm a I've always been a huge fan, especially, man, you, you, and then goddamn Brian Branch, man.

Speaker 11 Him being able to go to safety, then sometime having to go to corn.

Speaker 10 I'm like, man, what the heck, bro? Like, a damn Swiss Army knife, he's doing everything,

Speaker 10 man. He's super talented, man.
He's super talented. I feel like one thing he does the most is like his

Speaker 10 instincts, crazy, yes, his instincts crazy.

Speaker 10 Him at nickel, him at safety, it's kind of uh, the nickel is kind of up to park, but when they moved him back to safety, you know what I'm saying, with Lizu,

Speaker 10 man, like I, the plays he make, I just, you know what I'm saying, I'm still wishing I made them put it like that.

Speaker 10 Yeah,

Speaker 10 are you a talker? Do I mean, when you're on the field, are you talking to the opposing team? Is your defense talkers, or you guys just go play football?

Speaker 10 To be honest, I feel like everybody got their own little situation going on with me out there.

Speaker 10 Me personally, I feel like I feel like I don't too much say nothing, but somebody piss me off, bro. You're going to hear me, bro.
Like, I'm, and once I'm going at you, bro, I'm never going to stop.

Speaker 10 Yeah.

Speaker 11 Is there a player? Is there a player that you really don't like that y'all always go at it? To give you a better example, perspective, Mike Evans and Marshawn Lattimore.

Speaker 11 Do you have anybody like that that you go at it with in the NFL or not really?

Speaker 10 I got a couple.

Speaker 10 Damn, for real? Yeah,

Speaker 10 I got a couple. I don't to be going for none of that.

Speaker 11 Is it personal or it's like really serious? Like, I don't really, I don't see you like that. Like, I really don't see you like that.

Speaker 10 There's only one like that.

Speaker 10 Who that? Who that?

Speaker 11 I want to know. I want to know so I can watch.

Speaker 10 I'll tell you. I'll tell you.
I ain't, I'll tell you. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.

Speaker 10 Once they find out, they're gonna be trying to separate.

Speaker 11 Okay, okay, I got you, I got you, I got you.

Speaker 10 Because once he finds out, he's gonna try to get you before you get him.

Speaker 10 Nah, he knows who I am.

Speaker 10 Okay. Okay.
Yeah. So, obviously, your head coach, and you mentioned a lot of the players from the defense and the offense are still there.

Speaker 10 Although you lost both of your coordinators, the expectations are still high. You guys won 15 games last year.
The year before that, you went to the NFC championship game.

Speaker 10 Bro, it's time. I mean, you know,

Speaker 10 you only get so many bite of the apple,

Speaker 10 Kirby, before the apple's gone that y'all been taking big y'all been taking big bites hey

Speaker 10 we ain't gonna stop and we ain't gonna stop till we get there though like but i don't never see myself especially like stopping i feel like a lot of the things we went through i i feel like it was to to get us to this moment right now i feel like we got a lot of guys healthy we got guys back you know what i'm saying i feel like especially the guys that were on the team last year they kind of understand that we gave it even more than we did the first year but that still wasn't enough you know what i'm saying so you got to still keep going going because now it's just any minute my new thing going on with the game that could be the change of the top of the game you know what i'm saying so just working on the situations and stuff like that and then just we gotta make plays you know what i'm saying i feel like i feel like um a lot of the things that happen on the field with like playmaking i feel like it's not only the coaches getting on us but it's ourselves because we gotta we keep ourselves accountable with a lot of the things you know what i'm saying yeah yeah because it's like i hard my i i i be hard on myself when I don't get an interception for the game, you know, because I feel like I look, I leave my team down, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 10 And maybe might feel the same way if he didn't get enough sacks, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 10 It's just stuff like that, like, right, you know, I just be like, you know what I'm saying, let's help each other and keep each other like on point

Speaker 10 week 16. You got you face a very familiar opponent.
You were in the same division with this guy, Aaron Rodgers. He's with the Steelers now.
You have a lot of success against Rodgers.

Speaker 10 You looking forward to that matchup? Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 10 Hey, hey, that's my favorite quarterback, though.

Speaker 10 Oh, you expect him to score your corner? Oh, yeah, that ain't gonna stop. Yeah, yeah,

Speaker 10 that ain't gonna stop, but hey, he's cool, though. He's cool for sure.

Speaker 10 Yeah, I'm trying to see. I'm trying to see if he's gonna sign one of them.

Speaker 10 I was about to ask you the same thing. I said, You trying to get one of the balls,

Speaker 10 yeah? I'm trying to get one of the ball. I'm trying, I'm trying to at least one of them.
I got about,

Speaker 10 I'm just trying to get them signed, bro. I'm just trying to get a sign.

Speaker 11 I like it. That's funny.

Speaker 10 Y'all play the Steelers week 16.

Speaker 10 Hey,

Speaker 10 y'all don't play the Bengals, huh? Yeah, we do. I think we got them on the schedule this year.
Uh-oh.

Speaker 11 Okay. Yeah.

Speaker 10 I think that's my first time going against Joe Burrow.

Speaker 11 Yeah, okay, okay, okay.

Speaker 10 You got, do you circle? Do you, do you circle games? Do you, you look at, do you look at the calendar? Do you look at the schedule like, okay, all right, yeah, yeah, yeah. This is my time.

Speaker 10 Yeah, okay i like this i like this one do you circle games week five y'all play the bingles week five oh for real i'm going to the game

Speaker 10 where they play at are they playing in detroit no we playing uh cincinnati

Speaker 11 okay okay

Speaker 10 i'll see you week five i'm coming out there i'm coming out there see me out there yeah yeah definitely i i feel i don't feel like i got um

Speaker 10 like a whole bunch of games, but I do be having like revenge games. I have like a revenge game or like somebody I play like the Bengals.
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 10 Like, yeah, like that's one of my games out of circle because you know, I never played them before. I always like to play different teams, see different people, see different plays, you know.

Speaker 10 Yeah, and you know, they got one of the better offenses, you know, the quarterback, you mentioned Joe, they got T, they got uh Chase, the triple crown winner.

Speaker 10 Um, they're supposed to be really, really good on that side of the football. So, you guys are really going to have your work cut out.

Speaker 10 Yeah, and I see my, I see a couple of my dogs out there, Chase Brown and PJ. Yeah,

Speaker 10 yeah, yeah, okay. So, them my dogs, I'm trying to, you know, I'll jersey swab, see all them boys.
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 10 It's always good to see you, you know what I'm saying, your teammates from way in the back, way in the past. So

Speaker 19 that's dope.

Speaker 10 Well, Kirby, man, best of luck. Stay healthy.
Thanks for giving us a few moments of your time tonight, man. Wishing the Lions the best of luck.

Speaker 10 And you guys win that division and get to the Super Bowl, man. Come back and join us and have a conversation with us.
For sure, man. For sure, man.

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Speaker 11 I got you. I got you, twin.
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Speaker 10 I i do want to thank y'all for having me out here i want to thank god also just for you giving me the opportunity to come out here every day play football you know what i'm saying and just to give back so appreciate y'all for having me that's out love appreciate you joining the man appreciate that man take care stay healthy man we'll talk to you

Speaker 10 good all right all right

Speaker 10 support black business and support black business i'm a meal prep don't do me like that i'm just trying to earn a dollar

Speaker 10 coach gm chris balance said, team is not trading Anthony Richardson. It is easy to say, okay, he's done.
I don't agree. I've said numerous times, I don't agree with that.

Speaker 10 I think overcoming challenges and obstacles along the way are good for anybody, for anybody. I do.
I'm proud of Anthony, of where he's at and how far he's come. He's come miles.

Speaker 10 It's tough on any young quarterback in this league, but for him to keep taking the growth steps he has and work so hard and not get the goals for himself. All right, now continue to do that.

Speaker 10 That's when we've got a chance to see real growth.

Speaker 10 You like that, OJo? You like what he had to say? Absolutely.

Speaker 11 Also, also from a business, from a business side of things,

Speaker 11 we know that the long-term answer is not Daniel Jones. We've seen a small sample side to what Daniel Jones was with the New York Giants.

Speaker 10 So to think that... No, we saw a big sample size.
It wasn't small.

Speaker 11 Okay, my bad. But to think that Daniel Jones is the answer long-term, that's not it.
So why would you trade Anthony Richards? He's only 23 years old.

Speaker 11 He's He's probably going to continue to grow, continue to get better. Sometimes other quarterbacks reach their potential much sooner than others.

Speaker 11 Maybe it's going to take Anthony Richardson a little bit longer. Maybe the benching now again and losing this spot is a blessing in disguise for him to continue to grow, to continue to get better.

Speaker 11 And at some point, if things aren't going well in Indianapolis with Daniel Jones as the starting quarterback, do you know who's going to have to come in and be that savior for the rest of the season?

Speaker 10 Brother Anthony Richardson.

Speaker 11 absolutely. They would not let him go or trade him somewhere else where there is no backup.

Speaker 10 No, of course not.

Speaker 12 No,

Speaker 10 I think I don't think he's trading him now. Now, we might be having a different conversation next offseason.
Okay, yeah, that's different.

Speaker 11 Now, that's depending. That's depending.

Speaker 11 If things right with Daniel Jones and what he shows us, what type of growth, maturity from the quarterback position, being able to execute the offense, facilitate the ball without the turnovers, without the mental lapses that he has from time to time now that can save not just in job but his future in indianapolis as well

Speaker 10 yes yes so if he gets an opportunity he's gonna have to take full advantage of it because he's not getting another chance after this

Speaker 10 he gets back in there and he doesn't he doesn't take advantage of this opportunity they're gonna move on

Speaker 10 because it becomes cost prohibitive for them to keep him on the roster

Speaker 10 so

Speaker 10 And you're never going to get the value for, I mean, you took away the fourth pick in the draft. Yeah.

Speaker 10 The fourth pick in the draft, Ocho, you do realize, like, that's supposed to be at the fourth pick in the draft, you're supposed to be franchise altering, especially if you're a quarterback. Yep.

Speaker 10 I mean, any player that you're taking in that high up, he's supposed to be friendly. If it's a quarterback, a running back, a wide receiver, a tight end, he's supposed to be franchise altering.
Yeah.

Speaker 10 And

Speaker 10 normally you hope, Ocho, you don't have to bench a guy.

Speaker 10 Now, we'll see how he took to the benching because we saw what he did for uh bryce young yeah

Speaker 10 let's see if it can have the same kind of impact on richardson

Speaker 11 i hope so um i hope so i hope so too talent he's a he's a phenomenal talent man once he puts it all together it can be a beautiful thing

Speaker 10 i mean

Speaker 10 look oh joe but when you look at it a guy started

Speaker 10 he started 13 games in college he started 15 games in the nfl that's That's 28 total starts. Most of the

Speaker 10 really good quarterbacks,

Speaker 10 you'll get one or two. You get a Cam Newton that only starts one year of major college football, 13, 14 games, and Cam.
Or you'll get a Joe Burrow who starts, what, 14, 15 games.

Speaker 10 And I think he might have started a junior year. I'm not sure, but I don't think he started more than 25 games.

Speaker 10 With that being said, but most of the time, these guys, you got got to get, I mean, that ain't a whole lot of stars. 13?

Speaker 10 Think about it, Ocho, 13 starts and you're a project, and you get your top five pick. And the do you know how immensely talented you must be? Yeah.

Speaker 11 But the bad thing about it is the NFL is not patient, though.

Speaker 10 The NFL. Oh, hell no.

Speaker 11 The NFL is not patient because you have to understand people's jobs on the line.

Speaker 11 So when you draft a quarterback that high, that high and you're expecting to be not only a generational talent, a franchise changing quarterback, You know, listen, the Texans did it.

Speaker 11 Hell, the Commanders did it. So

Speaker 11 not understanding with

Speaker 11 not that.

Speaker 10 But

Speaker 10 look how many games Jayden Daniel started.

Speaker 10 He started like damn near 50 games, OJo.

Speaker 11 Yeah, and that's the difference. But obviously, there needs to be a little patience.
on the Indianapolis Colts side on that franchise, but they don't have that kind of patience.

Speaker 11 They don't have that kind of time because people drop on the line, huh?

Speaker 10 People drop the line.

Speaker 10 I can't be patient for the simple fact in three years i'm gonna have to give a guy a quarter of a billion dollars and you telling me to be patient yeah yeah now it's not something like you know once upon a time if i can see ocho if it's like if i got 10 cars you know i can like man this car might be worth something i can set that one to the side i can't sit my man because i growing up ocho we had a chevelle we had a a a a a chevelle ss with the rally racing stripes down it we had all we had a malibu we had all that stuff.

Speaker 10 We couldn't set that car aside because that was our everyday car. Right.

Speaker 10 I can't stash Anthony Richardson

Speaker 10 because I need him to play,

Speaker 10 but I need him to play well because in three years, I'm going to have to give him a quarter of a billion dollars. I'm about to have to give somebody about to get a contract for 400 million, oh Joe.

Speaker 10 And 250 to 300, 275 is going to be guaranteed. So I can't stash.
I can't be patient. Now, it used to be, I'm going to let the eggs hatch.

Speaker 10 now i get my chicklets from smashing the eggs come on up out of there damn it

Speaker 10 i'm just being honest with you ocho yeah i'm just look you've been in the league i've been i've been in the league we've been around the league that's how it is now ain't nobody waiting nobody waiting on you listen most of the time honestly you think about owners think about owners especially in the nfl they want instant gratification they want

Speaker 11 yes you know because most of the owners they are they're businessmen and most of the time what businessmen do is when they want results right now they throw money at it yes it doesn't work like that in nfl no you don't right it doesn't work like that so the frustration piles up because in other areas of business and aspects that i have going on around once i throw money at something right away i get results but it just doesn't work that way when it comes to nfl and finding an adequate quarterback that you can rely on for a decade that you can just build around

Speaker 10 Well, the thing that you and I talk about is that all of a sudden you start to base your success on somebody else's.

Speaker 10 See, they don't have patience because I'm looking around the league and I see what Bo Nicks did. I look around the league and I see what Jaden Daniels did.
I look around the league and I see what C.J.

Speaker 10 Stroud did. So now, hold on.

Speaker 10 Oh, wait. You went higher than Bo.

Speaker 10 Why are you not playing like that?

Speaker 10 Why can't you be C.J. Stroud? Why can't you be Jaden Daniels? So now you're basing your guy's success on someone else's success.

Speaker 10 And And so now it's almost like, oh, Joe, you looking at somebody else. You basing your marriage on someone else's.
Okay, they look happy, but you don't know.

Speaker 10 You don't know what they put into their marriage to be happy. You don't know how they're coaching said player.
You don't know how he receives information.

Speaker 10 You don't understand how he processes information.

Speaker 10 So with all that being said, you looking at it, you just looking at it like, well, damn, I see, look at his numbers and look at my quarterback numbers.

Speaker 10 It's not that black and white it's not that cut and dry there's a lot of there are a lot of other things that go into it whether or not a player will be successful

Speaker 10 and

Speaker 10 now i got to like okay like you said okay be patient well

Speaker 10 that's where you do your homework

Speaker 10 And if you take it, if you take it a project, you have to be patient.

Speaker 10 You can't expect him to come out and

Speaker 10 be like C.J. Stroud.
You can't expect him to be like a Jaden Daniels. You can't expect him to be like Caleb Williams, a guy that started at Oklahoma.
What was it?

Speaker 10 Oklahoma, and then he follows a Lincoln rider to USC. You can't expect that.
That man got 30-plus stars on his belt. You got half that.
Jaden Daniel got like damn 50 stars.

Speaker 10 You don't have that. So if you, if...
It's like, oh, Joe, it's like

Speaker 10 a car, an old school car. You just can't slap it together.
When people say they're doing a rebuild on a car, they're going to take their time and do it. It's going to take them years.

Speaker 10 But the problem is, is that

Speaker 10 I have other cars I can drive. So I'm not counting on this car.
So I can take my time.

Speaker 10 Oh, Joe, bro, this pro sports.

Speaker 10 They're not waiting.

Speaker 10 They're not waiting. Those days of, oh, in two or three years, man, look here.
I might be dead.

Speaker 10 I might be dead.

Speaker 10 I might have done sold a team.

Speaker 10 I'm not waiting no two or three years. I need you to get it right now.

Speaker 10 And when you don't get it right, you're not going to have too many guys that you select in the top five and they don't pan out.

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