Club Shay Shay - Tyronn Lue Part 2

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Speaker 3 Paul Pierce, it went viral for saying he's the best pure score.

Speaker 3 I mean,

Speaker 3 name come to mind, like maybe Kobe, maybe Dave Hard, Jordan, KD.

Speaker 3 I said that Pete.

Speaker 3 He was a hell of a scorer. Yeah.

Speaker 3 And Pete was my guy. I mean, he's my guy.
We came out and drive together in 98 on the lockout lockout year. We worked out together, Englewood High School every single day.
Like, that's my guy.

Speaker 3 But he said some crazy stuff.

Speaker 3 But no, I mean, I'll take away, like, like I always say,

Speaker 3 just because Braun's great don't mean KD isn't great. Right.

Speaker 3 Yeah. And Pete Pierce was a great scorer.
Like, footwork, post, on the elbows, catching shoot threes, all through. He could do it all.
So he's not lying about that.

Speaker 3 You know, so he gets a lot of, you know, but

Speaker 3 he could definitely score. But like you said, when you, you know, say KD and, you know, Cole and George.
R.D. George.

Speaker 3 I got to defeat the line more than him.

Speaker 3 But I love it. That's why he is who he is because the confidence he has.
You know what I'm saying? That's why he is who he is.

Speaker 3 What was it?

Speaker 3 Because I remember

Speaker 3 the last time LeBron was in Cleveland, you guys beat him, and he had a monster game. I think he had 27, 19, and 12.

Speaker 3 That game six, y'all ended up beating before he went to Miami.

Speaker 3 Prior to that, I mean, prior to, you know, you guys getting KG and Ray Allen, you know,

Speaker 3 it was more, I think he beat you guys a little bit more than you guys beat him. But when he goes to Miami

Speaker 3 and

Speaker 3 that year,

Speaker 3 y'all got him. And I remember KG say it's over.

Speaker 3 Y'all beat him in game five in Miami. He was up three, two.
You're up 3-2. KG say it's over.
We ain't coming back down here. And then LeBron in game six.
45.

Speaker 3 Everybody says that's the greatest game he's ever played.

Speaker 3 Did you get a sense? I mean, how soon, how early in the game did you know? Boy,

Speaker 3 we're in for it. I know.
I mean, I saw the look in his eyes, you know, when he first stood on the floor and just his mentality to start the game, how aggressive he was. Yeah.

Speaker 3 And we were always scared, and Doc was always scared to like trap and double team him because of his passive ability. And so he figured that, like,

Speaker 3 I figured, like, he's going to get everybody else involved. Now everybody's going to get going.
Right. He's going to get his anyway.
Right. But we didn't think he was going to get 45.
Right.

Speaker 3 And, like, that game, when he's when he's able to do that game, like, that's what really took him to the next level. Right.

Speaker 3 Like, 45, go to Miami game seven, win, game seven, and then, you know, to move on. Like, but that game was, oh, man.

Speaker 3 I still have nightmares about that game.

Speaker 3 Was Miami Heat LeBron? Was that the best LeBron we've ever seen?

Speaker 3 I don't know. I mean.
I think 2018, Braun.

Speaker 3 The year we went to the finals when Kyrie was gone. Kyrie was gone.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 The way he put it, and y'all go to Boston in that game seven. Yeah.
And y'all beat Toronto. Y'all beat Toronto.
Y'all beat Indiana. Yeah.

Speaker 3 And he had, what, like, eight, 40-point games in the playoffs. He had that 51

Speaker 3 against Golden State. Yeah.

Speaker 3 he was just in in in miami he was extremely efficient efficient yeah you talk about somebody shooting 55 56 57 from the speed yeah that's crazy yeah he was he was super efficient um in miami um but i didn't get a chance to watch it like i wanted to because you know of course you can't see every game but what he did in cleveland you know you get him back he comes back yeah that stretch he did had in cleveland i i think that was his best so you think you you think the second the second the return to cleveland might have been his best lebron yeah for sure yeah I can't say I disagree yeah he

Speaker 3 the year

Speaker 3 16

Speaker 3 the 16 17 season uh we went back to the final we played against KD for the first time yeah like that season right there I think was one of the best seasons like you said

Speaker 3 they've ever had and then I can't remember what that playoffs was that playoff run he had that might have been the best playoff run that 18 that was 18 yeah yeah yeah yeah we had eight here I think he had eight 40-point games And you guys end up, y'all swept Toronto, who was the number one seed at the time.

Speaker 3 Yeah. And then you go on the road in game seven.
And Boston, he played all 48 minutes. Yeah.

Speaker 3 That period, that 15 to 18, I think that might have been his best basketball he ever played.

Speaker 3 People always, you know, and you get this a lot, and I'm sure you've heard it. He wouldn't have done that if he played in the 90s.
He wouldn't have done that and he played in the 80s.

Speaker 3 He couldn't have played back then. Right.

Speaker 3 The dude got Carl Malone's body. He can handle the ball like magic.
He got Carl Malone's body, and he's more athletic.

Speaker 3 Who's been having that kind of athleticism that can do all the things that he can do? I'm asking, I mean, I played the 90s. I wasn't sure.

Speaker 3 So you're going to say LeBron James can play in the 90s. Like, come on, man.

Speaker 3 I played a lot of it and I wasn't.

Speaker 3 What are we talking about? Like, it don't even make sense. Like, if you're great, I don't care what area you play in.
You're going to be great. Right.
And

Speaker 3 it is what it is.

Speaker 3 Coach of the Clippers. So you're not the Clippers.

Speaker 3 No, I want to go to this. I want want to talk about

Speaker 3 the Cavalier situation. Because when David Blatt,

Speaker 3 you were in line to get the job. You were supposed to get the job, right? Yeah, we interviewed the same time for the job.

Speaker 3 And my agent called me and was like,

Speaker 3 you know, Dan Gilbert decided that he wanted to go with David Blatt.

Speaker 3 But I got a crazy thing to tell you. They want you to be the associate head coach.
And I was like, nah, like, I'm cool. Like, no, I'm going to stay here with Doc.

Speaker 3 Cause I figured, like, if I'm with Doc, who's the best coach in the league, like, I'm gonna get a job next year. I mean, it's coming, you know.
So, I'm not gonna leave Doc. I'm gonna be loyal to Doc.

Speaker 3 And he said, but you wouldn't believe how much money he offered you. And I was like,

Speaker 3 Well, what they offer is they want to offer you a million dollars a year to be the associate head coach. Now, at the time, I'm making 375 with the Clippers.
Uh,

Speaker 3 I think I could do that. Well, no, I still said no, you said no, yeah, I was like, No, even in California, yeah, I was like, Because you know that's 155, yeah,

Speaker 3 yeah, and so I was like, Man, like, no, I ain't, I ain't doing it, I'm gonna stay with Doc, Doc. He's like, you sure? Like, yeah, I can't do it.

Speaker 3 So he came back an hour later, said, they said they give you one, two, one, four, whatever, whatever. And I was like, nah, man, like, I'm going to stay with Doc.
I ain't going to do that.

Speaker 3 Like, I'm going to be loyal to Doc. So I called, you know, Bishaw.
I was like, Bishaw, man. He said, what?

Speaker 3 You, man, you got to,

Speaker 3 you got to take that job. I said, man, I ain't doing it.
And then so I called Jerry West, who's my mentor.

Speaker 12 Right.

Speaker 3 And Jerry, like, you know, could you mother, you, what are you thinking?

Speaker 3 If you don't take this job they'll never give you another job ever again think you can't leave doc's umbrella whatever whatever so i was like man i'm not doing it and so he's like going crazy so my agent called back again he said like they said well what do you want i said well just tell them two million two two two whatever whatever he coming back said they said yes

Speaker 3 you like damn i you say two five yeah yeah so i was like all right i gotta go

Speaker 3 and so i called doc and doc was like you know what Ty, like, it's gonna be hard for us to match that.

Speaker 3 He said, But I think you're ready to leave my umbrella and like, you know, spread your wings and do your own thing. I think it'd be good for you.
And I was like, You sure?

Speaker 3 He's like, Man, I think it'd be really good for you. So that's kind of how it happened.
I ended up going to Cleveland. So now, okay, you own the bench that first year.

Speaker 3 Y'all go to the NBA Finals, you lose to the Golden State Warriors in six.

Speaker 3 Halfway through the season,

Speaker 3 they make a change.

Speaker 3 You get elevated.

Speaker 3 Now,

Speaker 3 being a head coach is one thing.

Speaker 3 When you're the head coach and now you're coaching the best player in the NBA, that's something entirely different, T. Lou.
Yeah, it is.

Speaker 3 You and LeBron, what type of relationship did you have with LeBron before you became head coach? So I had a relationship with Braun, Rich, and Mav, Randy, before

Speaker 3 I even came to be the assistant. Like, we always been cool and tight.
So, like, we always had that bond.

Speaker 3 And so, when I became the associate head coach, like I said, then he came back right you know so we already had that bond and so um which was cool and like I said I had Rich and Mad behind me 100% and then Randy so even Brian get mad I had no you know I had them behind me anyway you know um but that's kind of like you know like that's family like that's that's family so you know uh when I took over like I said I was scared because you know anybody can say I would have did this I'd have done that you know like especially all that social media show all the yeah you can say all that until you're in that number one seat and now you got to okay let's see what you do you said you go do that yeah yeah exactly you know and so um moving over six inches you know it's tough and like especially midway through the season yes and so i just thought it was a lot of pressure man just like we just went to the finals game six we lose no kevin love no kyrie and now you want me to replace coach black who did a hell of a job and If we don't make it to the finals and make it to least game seven, like I'm a failure.

Speaker 3 Right. You know, so that was, it was scary.

Speaker 3 And I didn't really know if i could do it because like you're coming through halfway through the season right you haven't really had a training camp you haven't implemented what you want to run what you want to do because you you got to stick to what and then like and you got the best player in the world you know what i'm saying and then so it was it was it was tough you know but like i say i will give a lot of credit you know to um k love

Speaker 3 kyrie braun um jr tristan like those guys like they said listen we got your back 100 like whatever you want to do let's do it we got your back and i said i'm gonna make some mistakes like you know what i'm saying i'm going to make some mistakes, but we all got to stick together.

Speaker 3 And I give those guys credit. Like they have my back 100%.

Speaker 3 But

Speaker 3 the natural thing is like, man, T. Lou undermined David Black.

Speaker 3 He was just, you know, he was supposed to be there anyway, and he probably was doing X, Y, and Z.

Speaker 3 Did you hear that? All the time. And that's why it was hard for me to want to take that job because I knew what it was going to look like from the outside looking in.

Speaker 3 And if they knew the truth about it the year before, they would have never said it. You know, and so my job as an associate head coach is is to do whatever I can to make the head coach the job easier.

Speaker 3 You know, and so I did that to the best of my ability. And,

Speaker 3 you know, I would never undermine somebody for a job, you know, because that's just not who I am. That's not my personality.
And I believe it will come back on you if you do things like that.

Speaker 3 So what was it about Coach Black? Was his message just not resonating?

Speaker 3 What was it? Because he did go to the NBA finals. Y'all did make it to a game six.
Minus Kevin Love, minus Kyrie. I believe if you have those guys, we'll never, ever know.

Speaker 3 I believe you win the series. I do, too.

Speaker 3 But we'll never know. And then halfway through the season, it wasn't like y'all was in the sixth spot, T.
Lou. He was the number one spot.
And they fired a coach.

Speaker 3 That's never been.

Speaker 3 Well, maybe I think Milwaukee did something similar a couple years ago with Adrian Griff. But I'm just saying, I don't recall a situation of something like that happening.

Speaker 3 Was his message just not getting through? Was it just falling on deaf ears? Somebody go upstairs. Why would you make

Speaker 3 the number one seed and you change the head coach after you just went to the finals?

Speaker 3 You know, for me, I think he did a great job. And overseas, like when you coach overseas, you are the face of the team.
Right.

Speaker 3 Like, it's what you say goes, no matter what, no matter what player is there,

Speaker 3 you're the face of the team. And when you come to the NBA, the players are the face of the team.
And so

Speaker 3 it's a different dynamic. And so just understand that dynamic that, you know, as much as you want to go in and go crazy and cuss somebody out, you might can't do it today.
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 3 Like, you know what I'm saying? You just can't. And like his offensive system, like, was great.
Like, I wish I could run it today. Like, all the stuff he did, but like, it didn't fit with Bron.

Speaker 3 Like, Braun's not going to move like that. Kyrie want to dance.
He ain't running around. Kevin Love's not a mover, you know, and so it was just.

Speaker 3 The offense they ran over there was different when he came over here. Now he's been successful over there, winning all the championships, and he's a great coach.

Speaker 3 And I thought it was great stuff that we were doing, but it just didn't fit our team and what we're trying to do.

Speaker 3 And so, I think guys got frustrated with the process and got frustrated with

Speaker 3 how we did things like offensively and defensively, because some of the stuff was different.

Speaker 3 But there's nothing wrong with change if it works and it was working, but it just, you know, I think a lot of people got frustrated and didn't take the time, have the patience to really kind of wait for it.

Speaker 3 And that's kind of like where things got, you know, got harder, you know. So, that was it.
Do you remember your first game getting booed?

Speaker 3 Uh, who y'all first? Do you remember who y'all played first?

Speaker 3 Played the Bulls. Bulls? And we was at, we played them in Cleveland.
Y'all lost. And they booed me?

Speaker 3 Oh, I don't even remember.

Speaker 3 Did they boo me, man?

Speaker 3 Y'all don't remember. I mean, like I said, I got tough skin.
So

Speaker 3 if I mess up, I mess up. Like, I deserve to get booed.
I deserve to get creative. Y'all lost 96 to 83.
Okay.

Speaker 3 But,

Speaker 3 I mean, do you understand what you did?

Speaker 3 They fired the coach mid-season.

Speaker 3 You get that team. Not only did you get them to the NBA Finals, you orchestrated the greatest comeback in finals history down 3-1 to a guy that he was the first guy to be a unanimous MVP.

Speaker 3 And two of the last three games were on the road. How do you lie to them? You got to lie.
Sometimes coaches tell us all the time, so i sometimes guys i gotta lie to you

Speaker 3 how do you lie to them and tell them they really got a chance to win this you know what's crazy is that i really i swear to god i thought that we can win like even we're down three one i thought that we could win what you had just lost you had just went down three one on at your home court t-loop but i'm saying we lost the two first the two games we lost first we got blown out yeah we win game three yes we should have won game four we tricked it off the last two minutes of the game right right so we go down three one and i'm like we still have opportunities to win this.

Speaker 3 Like, we still can win. I really believed it, but we had to make some tweaks and we made some adjustments.
And like I said, I give our guys credit for doing that.

Speaker 3 But what's funny, like, getting to that point,

Speaker 3 every time we lost a game, I never showed film. And so David Griffin would go back to our video guy DV.
He was like, man, what the hell is he doing? Like, why? He said, listen, just trust him.

Speaker 3 You know what he's doing? Like, just trust him. Like, if he's doing it, I believe in it.

Speaker 3 So, like, because after game one, or even in the finals before, like if we show film and like they was blowing us out like right it was like you don't want mentally you don't want that you know you don't want we can't beat these guys exactly so you don't want the guys seeing that so we come in have a fun day shooting half court shots right tweak some stuff here and there and then when we win that's when we'd be in long film sessions all the stuff we made we're making mistakes on and like what we got to clean up to be better and it worked because you don't want to psych your guys out thinking like man Like, how can we beat them?

Speaker 3 Right. You know, and so every time we lost, I never show film.
We won. I showed all the stuff we needed to get better at.
And we just had to make some tweaks defensively. And we made those tweaks.

Speaker 3 Like, I give JR, Shump, and all those guys credit for what we was able to do to change our strategy.

Speaker 3 Because if you play Goldman State, the way they play, their pace, and how fast they play, you don't know until you're in it. You can't go to practice and work on it.
You can't replicate that.

Speaker 3 Can't do it.

Speaker 3 And so I saw that.

Speaker 3 When you playing up, when you switching everything, they're going to pick you apart. Like Draymond with his passing, Stephan Clay with their movement.
Like, you just can't switch everything.

Speaker 3 And so, after game four, I was like, listen, when Stephan Clay come together and splits and all that, we're switching it. Anybody else, you stand locked in, so it won't be no confusion.

Speaker 3 We make a mistake, we're gonna make a mistake on you know, the other guys, we ain't gonna make a mistake on these guys, you know. And so, it worked like Jayon Shump locked in and Stephan Clay.

Speaker 3 Like, if you guard Eagle Dollar, um, Livingston, you pushing up, you just protecting, and like, it changed our whole series, like, it changed it.

Speaker 3 And then, the performance that Braun and Kyrie had in game seven. Game six.

Speaker 3 No. Game five.
They were both 1241. Yeah.
And in game five, and like going home for game six, like I thought we warmed down. And then game seven, you got the best player in the world.

Speaker 3 Going into game seven, you got to love your chances. Right.
So that's, you know, kind of what happened. Was it ever a situation that you had like?

Speaker 3 Because it's hard because you got a LeBron man or any great player to like, bro, I need more from you. You got to give me more.
Yeah, half time of game seven. Yeah, half time of game seven.

Speaker 3 We come in a locker room and

Speaker 3 like they said, we're going to show a film. I said, no, ain't no film.
Like, so I came and said, Brian, what you going to do, man? What you mean? So you got to do more. Like, you got to be better.

Speaker 3 Like, what you want me to do, T. Luke? I'm like, because he had 20 points and might have seven assists.

Speaker 3 But he left a lot on the table to me. Right.
And this is game seven. You're the best player in the world.
I was like, we need, what do you want me?

Speaker 3 I said, you got to guard Draymond better, score the basketball, stop turnover, be aggressive.

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Speaker 3 Anything else you want me to say? So he maddened him up, right? So I go to the office, I slam the door.

Speaker 3 So later, after we, you know, it was over, Damon Jones said, Braun came to him, like, man, can you believe T. Lou, man, call me out like that? That's some bull.
Whatever, whatever.

Speaker 3 D-Jones said, well, I ain't been here all year, but everything I read and you called and told me, you trust him. Why not trust him now? He's like, F you.

Speaker 3 So he goes to James Jones. James, can you believe T-Lou? Man, I can't believe it.
James Jones said, did he lie? So then Braun snatches his snub out of the locker, storm out.

Speaker 3 That's all she wrote.

Speaker 3 I mean, JR, people understand, JR scored the first

Speaker 3 seven points he did in the third quarter. He did.
And then after that, he was down seven. So JR scored seven straight.

Speaker 3 And then after that, man, Braun, what he did after that was, it was all she wrote.

Speaker 3 The chase down and then Kyrie's three-point shot.

Speaker 3 I don't know because you guys had gone like three minutes, T. Lou, and nobody could score.
I know. It was like somebody put a lid on the basket.
Everybody was bricking, air balling.

Speaker 3 You could feel that it was tightening. Everybody felt, I don't care what anybody says, everybody felt it.

Speaker 3 Do you feel that if Eguadal had laid that ball up, that was going to be the momentum that they needed to win the game?

Speaker 3 Or you felt you guys, even if they had broke the score, because you guys scored first. Yeah, I mean,

Speaker 3 no, they scored first.

Speaker 3 The guy escaped. No, it was tied.
Yeah, it was tied. He blocked.
Yeah. And then Kyrie

Speaker 3 and then Kyrie started dance. Right.
And so we called timeout.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 the thing about Braun was exhausted. And so we get to the bench.
I mean, he's like, he's done. So I'm like, shit, you know, Ky, it's time to dance.
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 3 So I'm like, we want to run pick and roll. You know what I'm saying? Because Klay was a great defender.

Speaker 3 And like I said, Steph, you know, to where he's at now defensive-wise, like, he took a huge step and take pride in Garden. Right.
You know, now.

Speaker 3 And so they had no weak links right you didn't want draymond you didn't want eagle dollar you didn't want clay so i was like but we got to try to get steph into action right you know so you know we run a pick and roll you know kyrie gets a switch i ain't never gonna shoot a three you know i ain't never gonna shoot

Speaker 3 and so he but that's his that's his that's his shot yeah yeah that's side step three that's his shot so he gets to that right wing he's dancing and he shoots it and like man like from that point on i was just blacked out

Speaker 3 like once he made that shot i like blacked out like no i remember kaylove like

Speaker 3 guard of steph yeah sitting in the chair

Speaker 3 guard of steph and i remember it was um at the end of the game we were up

Speaker 3 three four yeah brawn gets fouled we up four and they and it was two things that we worked on they ran two knee three plays um for shots right and so the whole series before we got to the series um leading up to it And the series, I was like, listen, we're going to work on these ATOs, but on their knee three plays, guys are going to to be in different positions.

Speaker 3 So every day we worked on their need three plays. I said, it's going to come a time we're going to need it.
So like Kyrie, man, we're doing this again. Like, cause all the games were blowouts.

Speaker 3 It wasn't no close games till game seven. Right.
And so we never had to use it. And so we worked on it every day on this play.
Kyrie, you guarding this guy. Tristan, you guarding this guy.

Speaker 3 Braun, you here on this play. When they do it, now you guarding over here.
Like, so we had guys in different spots.

Speaker 3 So when Draymond goes to take the ball out of bounds, you see him, he's like, man, what the? Like, because the matchups was crazy, but we knew how we wanted to switch. Right.

Speaker 3 We got a deflection, so the ball goes out of bounds. So they call the second play they run ATO wise for knee three, and guys go to different matchups.

Speaker 3 And Draymond's like, Man, what the like it messed him to. So then we win the game.
So the next day, I was like, see, that's why I've been working on it. He said, man, you was right.

Speaker 3 And like, we worked on it for set, like, eight days before the series started. And then every day we worked on a knee three, and they talked trash to me.
Man, we ain't gonna never use this.

Speaker 3 This is stupid. And then in the game, we needed it.

Speaker 3 How are you able to earn the players' trust in Cleveland so quickly?

Speaker 3 I would say being around the players I coach and play with. I think that's one.
I think winning, I think,

Speaker 3 was something.

Speaker 3 And then I think just having a relationship with Braun. Like, I think having a relationship with Braun

Speaker 3 really set the tone for everybody else. And I had a relationship with J.R., you know, when he first came in the league.
You know, he used to come work out with us in Vegas. And so I knew JR,

Speaker 3 but the other guys I didn't know, like you said. But having Braun's respect and having a friendship with Braun,

Speaker 3 that really helped me earn the respect of everybody else in the locker room.

Speaker 3 You're the first coach in NBA history that wins first 10 postseason games. Did you know that? Yeah.

Speaker 3 I don't think they're going to be broken. Somebody almost broke it recently.
They did? Almost.

Speaker 3 When you're good, they got to start over again. Somebody almost broke it first.
Yeah, I can't remember who it was. Was it?

Speaker 3 Let me see.

Speaker 3 Was it Missoula? Did they go?

Speaker 3 Yeah, you might be right. Yeah, I think he broke it or got closer, tied us.
I don't know. I mean, it was right there.

Speaker 3 I know that happened. I read a story that you're,

Speaker 3 is this true about the money that you put up in the ceiling? Yeah. Or you made that up.
No, it's true.

Speaker 3 You knew that you knew after winning game five that you guys were coming back for game seven because you didn't feel there was no way they could beat you in game six in your building.

Speaker 3 I didn't think so.

Speaker 3 And so after game five,

Speaker 3 our owners and, you know, front office people, they all in the locker room. Everybody's going crazy.
We hype, whatever. So I walk in the locker room.
I said, all right, everybody, give me $200.

Speaker 3 It's like, what? I was like, everybody, give me $200.

Speaker 3 I'm going to put it in the ceiling. And

Speaker 3 we're coming back for game seven to get our money. And so everybody, oh, yeah, they're going crazy.
So everybody gives $200, $200.

Speaker 3 The owner, Dan Gilbert, day four, if they all give money, put it up in the ceiling. But I had got it from Doc because doc did it um

Speaker 3 we played the lakers in la right christmas day and they blew us out right and doc said listen y'all remember this remember how it feels because we're gonna play them in in the nba finals and we come back to get our money and we put it hidden in the attic i mean in the ceiling right came back and it was there and doc passed the money out the only difference with me i kept it

Speaker 3 come on king loose hey i'm gonna tell you how crazy brian is how tight he is so we win the championship we just won Man, they in the blocker room. They spraying champagne.

Speaker 3 Brian, like, man, where that 200 at?

Speaker 3 Like, come on, man. We just want to cheat.
You wanted about two? I said, man, I think this ball boy stole it.

Speaker 3 It ain't in there no more. You know what I'm saying? So I kept that.
I deserved it. I deserved it.

Speaker 3 Man, come on, Brian. 200.

Speaker 3 He wanted it.

Speaker 3 He wanted it back.

Speaker 3 I wasn't giving it back, man.

Speaker 3 There have been whispers about LeBron possibly returning to Cleveland.

Speaker 3 Do you think he's going to return to Cleveland?

Speaker 3 Before you answer that, are you surprised? This is the first time in LeBron's career LeBron James is on an expiring contract.

Speaker 3 I'm surprised by that. I mean,

Speaker 3 I mean, look, this is a player that like he's.

Speaker 3 He gave you 24, 8-7 last year. And he's changed the game.
Like, he's made it. to where these guys are able to go to whatever teams they want to go

Speaker 3 and like you said,

Speaker 3 build their careers and do like he was the one to take that first step.

Speaker 3 Yes, you know, and so he took all the heat, all the heat, you know, to get to this point where now you see everybody's doing it, you know, and he paved that way.

Speaker 3 Yes, you know, and so I think if he's on an expiring contract, I think it's something that he wants. I don't think that you know, like

Speaker 3 the Lakers said, we only give you, you know, finish this year out, and that's it. Like, I think that's if he's on a one-year contract, that's where he wants to be.

Speaker 3 Um, going back to Cleveland, um, I don't know, yeah, like, can you see it? I don't,

Speaker 3 I don't. I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 3 You went to L.A., you've done everything you can do in Cleveland. Right.

Speaker 3 I think you finish it up in L.A. I don't know how much longer, how much longer they want him in L.A., but I think the thing is he finishes up in L.A., I don't think he's done after this year.
No.

Speaker 3 I don't think he's done.

Speaker 3 And the thing is, T-Lo, I was talking to somebody the other day, I said, if you play 24, you might as well go and get that 25. Yeah, he's not done after this year for sure.

Speaker 3 But I think he wants to set that record out there. He wants to set that record out there.
Ain't nobody going to get it. They can't catch it.

Speaker 3 Because KD, he thinks KD is the closest, but KD is 10,000 points away. That's 10,000.
So

Speaker 3 if you average,

Speaker 3 that's another seven, eight years. That's right now.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 LeBron plays another two, three years. That thing going to be at 45,000 points.

Speaker 3 I mean, it's going to be hard to catch that. I don't see nobody.
Because you have to play a lot. You have to play.
You have to have sustained greatness. Because nobody thought Kareem

Speaker 3 stayed healthy. And hell.
Because nobody thought Kareem record would be broken because first of all only bigs played that long exactly long

Speaker 3 and then you could play that long if you were big because guess what you go down to the block they dump it down to you you ain't trying to get up and down the court like you're averaging eight nine ten points yeah you know when you get that old as a big yeah like think of all our great bigs when they played you know past their prime yeah they only averaged eight nine ten points braun averaging 25.

Speaker 3 yeah like

Speaker 3 like so i mean i think he's gonna put it out of reach where it's gonna be hard to it's gonna be hard to get there but he was working at the I saw that, you know, he posted a video.

Speaker 3 He was working at the Clipper facilities. Yeah, I know.
I seen that.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I saw that. What'd that mean?

Speaker 3 I don't even know if I can speak or not.

Speaker 3 You gave him the key? Nope.

Speaker 3 Yeah, he's working out at our old Prague facility.

Speaker 3 The one that we had in Plya. So, yeah, put that out there.
The one at Plya. Not the new one.
Yeah, he went at our facility. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 3 I can't say nothing about that.

Speaker 3 Had LeBron and Kyrie stayed together,

Speaker 3 they won another championship? Yes, sir.

Speaker 3 Yes, sir.

Speaker 3 And I think,

Speaker 3 also, I think if

Speaker 3 KD doesn't go to Golden State. Oh, y'all,

Speaker 3 they had to get him. Yeah.
They had to get him. They were never going to beat you guys again, T.
Lee. Yeah.
If KD doesn't go to Golden State, I think we win. Three in a row.

Speaker 3 And I think Kyrie stayed because you can't leave after that. Right.
You know what I'm saying? And so

Speaker 3 I think he stays. And I think, like I said, we had a chance to win two or three.

Speaker 3 Is there anything you could have done differently to maybe keep Kyrie and LeBron together? Or has Kyrie made his mind up that he wanted to go elsewhere?

Speaker 3 He had made his mind up, but that's like another Kobe and Shaq situation. I would never let it happen.

Speaker 3 And I begged and pleaded. I begged and pleaded.

Speaker 3 LeBron said he begged and pleaded. Hey, don't trade him.
He still got to yield his contract. Don't trade him.
Bron was doing an autograph signing with jerseys and stuff for his foundation.

Speaker 3 So I come sit next to Braun. We're sitting there handling the phone, Sports Center.
Kyrie Urban's just been traded to the Boston Celtics.

Speaker 3 Man, Braun dropped the marker, and just lays back in his chair for about 10 minutes, doesn't say a word, like just pissed off. And Brian was crushed.

Speaker 3 And I saw when that happened, I thought things would like be, I thought Braun would do something different, you know, sooner than later. And that's what he did.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 you believe LeBron would have stayed in Cleveland had Kyrie stayed in Cleveland? Yes.

Speaker 3 I think so.

Speaker 3 Damn.

Speaker 3 I mean,

Speaker 3 you've seen breakups.

Speaker 3 You were there. I mean, you weren't there at the time, but Kobe and Shaq, you saw Blake and CP3.

Speaker 3 You saw LeBron and Kyrie.

Speaker 3 If somebody would have told you in the beginning how well it was working, that this was going to be the ultimate outcome, would you have believed it? As far as what?

Speaker 3 Them parting ways. All those guys? Yeah.
No.

Speaker 3 No. I mean, I couldn't see it, you know, the way it happened, you know, especially like say Colby and Shaq being in it every single day in the locker room.

Speaker 3 Like, because it had too many great guys around him. Like, you had a lot of great buffers, you know, like Rick Fox, Robert Ore, B.
Shaw, Harp. Like,

Speaker 3 they were old enough to like understand like what was at stake. Yes.
and understand like we got something special here. Yeah, something special.

Speaker 3 And so they would never let it come to where it came to, you know, so that was tough. And then, you know, I think Kyrie, his biggest thing is like,

Speaker 3 he's a competitor. Yeah.
He's a killer. Like, and so he wanted to show, kind of like Kobe did, yeah, you know, with Shaq.
Because that's his mentor.

Speaker 3 He's yeah, I want, I can win, you know, without Braun. And for me to take that next step, this is what I got to do.
And so to have his own team and to do that, like, that was his, that was his goal.

Speaker 3 And that's what he wanted to do. Right.
So So I don't think it was nothing, no ill will against Brown. It was just something he wanted to do for his career.
Right.

Speaker 3 KD,

Speaker 3 he starts out in OKC, goes to Golden State, wins two and three, goes to Brooklyn, leaves Brooklyn, goes to Phoenix. Now he's in Houston.

Speaker 3 How different are we looking at KD if he doesn't go to the Warriors?

Speaker 3 As far as if you won or not? Yeah.

Speaker 3 I mean, I think the only difference would be if you won an OKC,

Speaker 3 which they could have easily done that too. Right.
You know, so, I mean, I wouldn't look at him different. You know, I think

Speaker 3 a lot of great players,

Speaker 3 like, they think, you know, you have to win a championship to be, you know, to be on this tier or whatever. Well, it's us now.
It's not fair. It's us now.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 We've done that. Yeah, it is.
Because we say you're a bum. We say you're not any good.
We don't say you're bump. But we say you're not any good.

Speaker 3 Or they put, who's the greatest NBA player that's never won a championship? Yeah. So rings are everything now.

Speaker 3 We'll take a guy that's averaging 10 points and put him above somebody that's historically great because he has a ring. And Kenny's one of the best players of all time.
All time. Yeah.

Speaker 3 So, like, it just, it just,

Speaker 3 you know, everybody doesn't win. You know, so.
And they shouldn't. Yeah, exactly.
No, no.

Speaker 3 What's the value of a championship if every great player won it? Mm-hmm.

Speaker 3 But, you know,

Speaker 3 if he goes to Golden State and wins, oh, well, he went to Golden State. Well, what you aim to do? Right.
If he don't win, you're going to say he didn't. We'll criticize him.
Y'all still do it.

Speaker 3 If he goes and wins, it's criticized as well. It's just not fair.
You know, and so

Speaker 3 I mean,

Speaker 3 what else can you say? He's a bad boy.

Speaker 3 He's a bad dude. Whether he won a championship or not won a championship or whatever,

Speaker 3 he's one of the best, greatest players to play this game. And so.

Speaker 3 What did you guys need when he goes to the warrior? When he goes to the Warriors, what did Cleveland need to combat that?

Speaker 3 Because

Speaker 3 I don't believe without KD, I believe without KD, they're not going to beat you again.

Speaker 3 After you beat them at 2016, coming back from 3-1, I don't believe they can beat you again. I think we had the blueprint on how to beat them.

Speaker 3 Like, Steve Kerr is a mastermind, so he probably figured something out. But I thought we had the blueprint.

Speaker 3 But for us, probably, I would say like a dominant center, like a guy you can throw the ball to. Dump it down to him and punish him inside.
Yeah, so Draymond's not helping all over the place.

Speaker 3 Like, because Tristan was a really good player, but like offensively being able to throw the ball, post the basketball, and make plays. Because K-Love played more of the four.

Speaker 3 But I think a bigger center that can, you know, can protect the rim, could be dominant on the block, I think that would have helped us out a lot. But it was just when they got KD, like you blitzed.

Speaker 3 It wasn't in fur. It wasn't.
You blitzed Steph. Draymond's the best pocket, catch the ball in the pocket.
And now you got Clay and Steph. I mean, Clay and KD sitting in the court.

Speaker 3 Like, I mean, shh, I mean, Eagle Dollar for the lob, Clay in his corner, KD in his corner. Like, what you going to do? And you still worried about Steph.
Yeah, like, it just,

Speaker 3 it was unfair. That last year, you guys had D.
Rose, you guys had D. Wade.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 it wasn't working. Yeah.
It wasn't working. Why wasn't it working?

Speaker 3 I think

Speaker 3 D-Wade, and like I said, D-Rose is coming down towards the end of their career, but D-Rose ended up playing a lot longer than he thought he was going to play.

Speaker 3 But you have,

Speaker 3 like I said, great players. You know, D.
Rose, one of my favorite players, like to play the game. And then D-Wade, you know, as well.

Speaker 3 And then what they've been able to do with other teams and then coming to Cleveland with Braun, I think, like, Braun gave them the leeway to do whatever they want.

Speaker 3 But I just think just trying to figure it out, playing with each other, the spacing, the shooting, you know, all those components played a factor. And it just wasn't a good fit.

Speaker 3 Like, it wasn't, they could still play. It just wasn't a good fit, you know, basketball-wise.
And

Speaker 3 that's just kind of like how it didn't work.

Speaker 3 But if I'd had a little bit more time, I would have had to figure it out. Right.
You know, but it just, like, it just didn't fit the style that we wanted to play or had to play or need to play.

Speaker 3 It just didn't fit.

Speaker 3 Adam Silver says he's changing the all-star game. It's become unwatchable, T.
Loo. It ain't number threes.
It ain't number threes and dunks. And that ain't the way.
Man, nobody, bro,

Speaker 3 I grew up on the All-Star game. They played.
I ain't saying you got to play it like it's a game seven. I ain't saying you got to play it like a playoff game, but this is unacceptable.

Speaker 3 So they've changed the format. What's the format now?

Speaker 3 It's the U.S. versus the world, isn't it?

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 So Jokic, Luca,

Speaker 3 Giannis,

Speaker 3 Embed,

Speaker 3 Shay,

Speaker 3 gonna be Stev, KD, LeBron, Book. Yeah.

Speaker 3 And what's the,

Speaker 3 if they win, then what?

Speaker 3 No, we want to be, we want to see some action. We want to see the, man, we always had a 200, somebody almost scored 200 points in the all-star game.

Speaker 3 No, I'm saying, but it's like in baseball, if you win, like, you know. Well, that's what he should have done.
We should have go back to the East West and the winning side, get home court advantage.

Speaker 3 No matter what the record is,

Speaker 3 whoever wins the all-star game gets the home court advantage. Right.
Then you'll start playing. Yeah.
Because this, come on. Pimp Joker shooting 73s.

Speaker 3 I mean, I don't know, man. I don't.

Speaker 3 However, Adam Searle is going to fix it, it's going to be great. Because, like I said,

Speaker 3 he makes sure he does it, you know, he does a great job. So

Speaker 3 I believe in him. It's been a while since we had an American boy MVP, T.
Lou.

Speaker 3 It's been a minute.

Speaker 3 I mean, Yoki's got three. Giannis has got two.
And B's got one. Now we got Shea.

Speaker 3 Maybe not as a whole,

Speaker 3 a whole, but

Speaker 3 is the world catching up with us as far as basketball like not overall because each player is from a different it's from a different country yeah but they are getting better yeah they're getting better i mean um

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Speaker 3 T-Lou, it took Herculean effort, T-Lou.

Speaker 3 No.

Speaker 3 T-Lou.

Speaker 3 I mean, it took Lebanon. Basketball still comes through here.
T-Lou, it took LeBron, it took KD, and it took Steph.

Speaker 3 Okay.

Speaker 3 That's why we're the best. They're not going to be there at 28.
How many MVPs Braun got?

Speaker 3 Four. How many KD got? One.
Steph? Two. Okay, there you go.

Speaker 3 You tried to have them around for 28? No, I'm just saying. I'm just saying, like, that's why we're the best players in the world.
I mean, they have, like, Joker, like, they have great players too.

Speaker 3 But what I'm saying is they're not going to be able to catch us because it's one or two guys in each country. Right.
Like, we're one place. Right.

Speaker 3 And we have all the talent, we have all the skill, we have all the athleticism. But, like I said, they are really good.
I mean, they're great. Because they're playing, because the thing is, T.

Speaker 3 Lou, is that

Speaker 3 the Germans, they've been playing together their whole life. The Slovenians, the Serbians, the Lithuanians, Australians,

Speaker 3 they've been playing together.

Speaker 3 Yes.

Speaker 3 We come together for two weeks. We come to Vega for two weeks, practice.
Then we go to somebody to play like three exhibitions, and then they go play. Right.

Speaker 3 Now, I do think Wimby.

Speaker 3 Oh, geez.

Speaker 3 Wimby. I think, but I don't know, man.
I just, y'all, we, no, we're the greatest.

Speaker 3 We got this in 28? Yes. Okay.
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 3 I'm going to check out a game now.

Speaker 3 If you can rewind the tape in three years and say, you know what, T L.

Speaker 3 But no,

Speaker 3 we're going to win.

Speaker 3 You were on the staff at the Clippers when Shea was there. No.
You were there? Nope. I was in

Speaker 3 when Shea got there, I was.

Speaker 3 You still in Cleveland?

Speaker 3 Yeah, I was in Cleveland.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Doc said he pleaded with them, said, look, this guy is going to be special.
Don't trade him. But to appease Kawhi, you had to, because Kawhi is like, I ain't got time.

Speaker 3 I need somebody that's proven. PG was proven.
He's been an all-NBA player, can play both ends of the court. but watching him i mean

Speaker 3 watching shea did you know shea was gonna be this no

Speaker 3 no i didn't and and i we talk about it all the time and

Speaker 3 you know 30 gms or presidents or whatever even like like if it would have been done all over again i mean i'd have done the trade too yes like pg was second in mbp voting yes like two-way player like it was like jordan pippens you know what i'm saying yeah and shea like i said he was a really good you know young player but you didn't know know he was going to be this, right?

Speaker 3 You know, and I think it was the best thing for Shea because Shea would stay with the Clippers.

Speaker 3 He wouldn't be, yeah, he wouldn't have been. He ain't gonna have the ball in his hand.
Exactly. And so he was able to grow and figure it out, have his own team.
Yes.

Speaker 3 And like, I mean, anything hindsight 2020, you can say, oh, I would have never done that. But who wouldn't have traded a first-year player for a guy like PG, you know, to team up with Kawhi? Right.

Speaker 3 Like, anybody would have done that. They lying.
They said they wouldn't have. Right.
You know, so now Shay with Shea now.

Speaker 3 Yeah,

Speaker 3 it's not a question, but yeah, that was a no-brainer to me.

Speaker 3 Did you try to get, did you guys try to trade for Paul George when you was in Cleveland? Yeah.

Speaker 3 When he was in Indiana.

Speaker 3 And why didn't it happen? I don't remember. Damn.
Yeah, we tried to get him. PG, LeBron, and Kyrie? Oof.

Speaker 3 Now, see,

Speaker 3 that might have been enough to. to go back.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 Because now you can throw LeBron. I mean, obviously you let PG start with him, and then you can have LeBron, but you still got guys.
Now you got three guys that can really score the basketball.

Speaker 3 LeBron, Kyrie, and

Speaker 3 PG. And Kay Love can score the bus.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 So,

Speaker 3 man. We tried.

Speaker 3 Damn.

Speaker 3 Ooh.

Speaker 3 You got to answer me this. This is what I want to know.
The bubble.

Speaker 3 Because this is what I got. Man, the Clippers didn't even want to be there.
Okay, they wanted to be there when they they got the 3-1 lead. Once they lost the 3-1 lead, they didn't want to be there.

Speaker 3 I'm like, what kind of boy guys was that?

Speaker 3 Am I wrong?

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 explain to the people that was in the bubble because I see a lot of people that didn't win try to undermine it. I think, who was that that said something the other day about it?

Speaker 3 I think it was the seventh, the GM, right? GM. Was it David Griffin? No,

Speaker 3 the one at Philly. Maury.
Yeah, Darryl Maury. Darryl Maury.
Now, he almost blew the whole thing up talking about what he was talking about.

Speaker 3 And now he wants to talk about the championship don't mean nothing. Now, had he won it, I guarantee you he wouldn't have been talking about that.
I'll take it.

Speaker 3 Give it to me. I'll take it.

Speaker 3 So how

Speaker 3 with the team that you guys have, did you lose a 3-1 lead? And you guys had double-digit leads in every game? Yeah.

Speaker 3 Man,

Speaker 3 Jamal Murray and Joker, like, they took it to another level. Yeah.
You know, they took it to another level. And

Speaker 3 they played great. I mean, I mean, like you said, you, if you build a 16, 15, 16-point lead, like, you was doing something right.
Right. You know, and so

Speaker 3 it just, they played better than we did, you know, coming down the stretch. You know, and so if you get high at the right time, like you said, it's tough.
And so

Speaker 3 being up 3-1 and having an opportunity to close him out,

Speaker 3 and we would have done that, I think

Speaker 3 we could have won the bubble. We could have won it.
I'd have took it. You turned it? Doc would have took it.

Speaker 3 What you mean? Yeah, we took it.

Speaker 3 But after that,

Speaker 3 Doc ends up getting fired.

Speaker 3 He and PG have a back and forth. PG said, well, I'm not playing the kind of basketball that I want to play.

Speaker 3 Maybe he said, I think he wanted to run Penn Diamonds and Doc had him running Flares or whatever the case may be. know, whatever the case may be.

Speaker 3 I've really never heard you

Speaker 3 say anything about, you know, obviously players will move on. And you understand that, having played in this game, having coached in this game,

Speaker 3 that players are going to move on. And sometimes we might not ever get out, but we don't see eye to eye.
Me and the player don't see eye to eye. Is there ever a scenario where you feel you would.

Speaker 3 Player said something that you would counter that or you just let it walk? I let it walk. I mean, unless it's something that's

Speaker 3 egregious. Or is you testing my manhood? Like, you want to scrap? No, I ain't running from that.
You know what I'm saying? Like, okay, but yeah, I ain't running from that.

Speaker 3 But, like, you know, players are going to be upset. They're going to, you know, they're going to say what they're going to say.

Speaker 3 But I think if you're the leader and you're a coach, like, you got to take the higher role. Right.
You know, I do believe in that.

Speaker 3 And so, you know, to me, like, I'm always going to take the blame, whether I'm wrong or not. Right.
You know, and so

Speaker 3 if you're the leader at any corporation or any profession, like if you're the leader of the team, team, like you should take the responsibility and you should take the blame, even though you know 100% it wasn't.

Speaker 3 But my job is to take that pressure off you guys so you're not getting, you know, crucified. And

Speaker 3 so that's just how I feel it should be, you know, and so I wouldn't go back and forth with a player. You know, I wouldn't do that.

Speaker 3 The Lakers had a vacancy.

Speaker 3 You was in the running.

Speaker 3 I think LeBron called you a couple of times, wanting you to take the job. Why didn't you take the job? I mean, you played for the lake.

Speaker 3 I mean, I think it's always a good story when a guy can go back and coach the team that he played for. I would have loved it.
I mean, it'd been a dream come true.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Why didn't you take the job?

Speaker 3 One,

Speaker 3 they offered me short years. They offered me three years, and I wanted to do five.
Right.

Speaker 3 I guess they were trying to tie me to LeBron.

Speaker 3 Two,

Speaker 3 the money was low.

Speaker 3 No, no, no. Don't they know the cost of living in LA? Well, I'm saying it wasn't low for like for me personally, the money.
It was low for

Speaker 3 the head coach and for what it meant to everybody else going forward. It's kind of like, you know, the Players Association, if you take a bad deal, they're going to give us all bad deals.

Speaker 3 And so I just felt for me, being a championship coach and being black,

Speaker 3 you know, I thought it was up to me to make sure I set the standard. Got to take a stand.

Speaker 3 Yeah, if I take a bad deal, then what's everybody else going get you know so a worse deal yeah a worse so i just thought it was up to me you know um to make sure i did that right and then

Speaker 3 for and i it's hard because you know loyalty is tough but then i couldn't pick my coaching staff you know

Speaker 3 well they wouldn't let me pick my coaching staff so they was gonna pick my coaching staff for me and so i had to leave a lot of guys behind with what whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa what you mean pick your coaching staff they wanted to pick my staff for me so in other words instead of saying, I want to hire, you know, John Drew or this guy, that guy, they're like, no, you got him, him, and him.

Speaker 3 Yeah. But you don't know them like that.

Speaker 3 I knew some of the guys. I mean, it wasn't a thing why they didn't like the guys they wanted me to hire.
My thing was just leaving guys behind. Right.

Speaker 3 Like, so if I'm fired and my guys are out of work, then,

Speaker 3 you know, I get a job and you say, I'll forget them and just leave them behind. Like, we won a championship together.
Right. Went to four straight finals together.
Like, you know what what I'm saying?

Speaker 3 And so, what I, what we've done, we showed it worked, you know, and so I just felt that that wasn't

Speaker 3 that wasn't something that I wanted to do. And so, those three things kind of, you know, nipped it in the bud.
And, you know, we went, I mean, it wasn't no bad blood.

Speaker 3 Like, it just, it was what it was. It wasn't.

Speaker 3 And then, you know,

Speaker 3 Monty Williams

Speaker 3 saved the world, you know what I'm saying, getting that big deal. Yeah.

Speaker 3 And then, because we had coaches and meetings in Chicago just talking about, you know, it's going to be hard to fire coaches if we make more money. Right.

Speaker 3 You know, and so they don't really respect us as leaders, as an organization. Like, we're running a billion-dollar organization.
You know, they don't really respect us.

Speaker 3 Like, we're getting three, four million. I mean, it's a lot of money.
But I'm just saying, like, in the coaching world, they can just let you go.

Speaker 3 They're paying, you know, some teams paying three, four, or five coaches. You know what I'm saying? But like Monty Williams.
So I told Steve Kerr. I told Phoenix.

Speaker 3 I told Doc. I told

Speaker 3 Spo, like, because this was like, you know, four years. I was like, y'all y'all are, y'all are the face of the league for us, coaches.
Like, y'all got to get the money up.

Speaker 3 Like, you know what I'm saying? Right. And they're like, well, you know, whatever.
And so two years later, Monty goes and gets the big.

Speaker 3 Yeah. And then he gets the bag, then Spo, then Steve Kerr, then Pop, and then me.
You know what I'm saying? And then now everything's gone up, you know. And so,

Speaker 3 and I think it's fair. I think, you know, when you, you, you have a coach and there's 15 players and you like the 13th, 14th highest paid player.
I mean,

Speaker 3 out of the players and the coaches, like,

Speaker 3 that ain't fair. Like, you know, and so

Speaker 3 I thought he did a really good job of just, you know, showing appreciation for coaches. Right.
And, you know, because it's a hard job.

Speaker 3 I've always wanted to ask you this. Why do you like,

Speaker 3 I look at you, you give John Wallace an opportunity. You give Russ an opportunity.
You give Ben Simmons an opportunity.

Speaker 3 What is it about that?

Speaker 3 what why do you why do you why do you why do you do that give feel give guys an opportunity because you know Ben for whatever reason seemed like he lost his confidence and we'll touch on this a little later John Wall had a situation he went through some stuff with his mom and he had some tough injuries russ uh why do you do that t-loo because i played and i understand and so you know a lot of times you just need you know a coach that can give you confidence and um

Speaker 3 get you back to you know where you want to get to you know and so um i've been a player when you know the time's almost up, you know, like the clock is running out. Right.

Speaker 3 And, you know, you never want to see those guys go out like that. And having relationships with those guys and giving them opportunity,

Speaker 3 I will always do that.

Speaker 3 And so, you know, a lot of guys have career years playing under me because I got to give them confidence or guys that didn't want to play the game no more, like Reggie Jackson and Nick Batoon.

Speaker 3 And then they're playing six, seven, eight more years, you know, when they was ready to retire. You know, and so it's important to be able to give back, you know, to our guys

Speaker 3 in any way I can. And so I really enjoy that.
What happened with Ben Simmons? You talk about a guy that was rookie of the year. He was an all-NBA player.
He was a perennial all-star.

Speaker 3 And then all of a sudden, it just didn't click.

Speaker 3 Something happened.

Speaker 3 Me, I trace it back to that Atlanta game where he had a layout. I mean, he had a...

Speaker 3 It looked like a dunk, and he passed it. And his coach was critical.
The best player was critical. And I remember I was undisputed with Skip.
I said, it's over.

Speaker 3 I said, he's never going to be the same. And he said, why do you say that? I said, because the head coach said what he said and his best player said what he said.
I said, he broke his confidence.

Speaker 3 I said, and that city?

Speaker 3 And then, you know, you see the meme with this is Ben Simmons and it's a trash can going down the street because the city is flooding.

Speaker 3 It broke his confidence. And

Speaker 3 he hasn't been the same player since. Now, I know he's had some injuries, but how do you, when a guy, he's the first overall pick, he's rookie of the year, he's perennial,

Speaker 3 a perennial all-star,

Speaker 3 how does

Speaker 3 confidence is that big of a thing in basketball with T-Lou? Confidence is everything in life, whatever you do.

Speaker 3 You know, and I come from one of the most confident places in the world, Mexico, Missouri.

Speaker 3 Listen, I'm telling you, you would think everybody down is Michael Jordan. I'm saying everybody.
You know, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 3 Like, you know, from all my guy, Damon, to J-Roll to Conrad to Stacey to Fitz, like everybody think, they think they're it. You know, so having that confidence plays a big factor in everything you do.

Speaker 3 For me,

Speaker 3 I think I equated to just that,

Speaker 3 you know, that play, whatever. I don't think that changed.
I think the injuries really set him back.

Speaker 3 You know, having two back surgeries, you know, then we acquired him this year, seeing what his knee, you know, seeing like how his knee was, you know, all the things he had to fight through to be able to get on the floor, I think played a big role.

Speaker 3 I think you saw in Brooklyn last year, like he was, he was, he was good like he was back to being you know who he is and but thank you and work with us you know last year which i'm pissed off of myself about is that um

Speaker 3 he needs a ball in his hands and so does james and then so does kawai you know what i'm saying so so it's hard it was hard you know and it was hard because he can't play off the ball exactly yeah and you shouldn't want him to no because the way he plays the way he passes his pace the way he plays the game um and how he can make people better you don't want him off the ball right you know and so it was just a tough dynamic, and I take full responsibility.

Speaker 3 I didn't figure it out the way I needed to.

Speaker 3 So, he really didn't have a fair shake. So, I'm still pissed about that.

Speaker 3 What's it like, Russ?

Speaker 3 No matter what you think about him, he has the most career triple-doubles. He's the average triple-double, I think, what, three seasons.

Speaker 3 He ain't gonna cheat you.

Speaker 3 You know exactly what you're gonna get with Russell Westbrook.

Speaker 3 You're gonna get an outstanding player, you're gonna get a turnover, you're gonna get an air ball, you're gonna get a big three, but he's gonna give you everything

Speaker 3 he has

Speaker 3 and you can appreciate that every single night every single practice every single day and the thing that um

Speaker 3 which

Speaker 3 you know i equate him with with lebron like when you give great players like that yeah always on time

Speaker 3 early to the bus early to the meetings never late like you know that that means a lot yes you know that should show you respect for your teammates for the staff and for you know who you're working with and every day he's gonna bring it no matter what.

Speaker 3 Practice, like I said, games, shoot around.

Speaker 3 You know what you're going to get every single day and you can respect that.

Speaker 3 So that's why so many people love Russ because you know every single day you're going to get this and you can't ask for anything more. What's it like being a coach for Steve Bomber?

Speaker 3 You see him there, bro. I've never seen an owner that has more emotion watching a game.

Speaker 3 I mean, he is a true fan because he goes through the gamut of emotions just like, I'm like, bro, you do realize you got like 100 billion and you supposed to be just sitting there just like stoic.

Speaker 3 And he

Speaker 3 in it, hey, every, every shot, turnover, I mean, you can tell.

Speaker 3 I'm like, man. He's fully invested.

Speaker 3 1,000.

Speaker 3 You know, people just see the games and like how the game and, you know, his actions and

Speaker 3 reactions, whatever.

Speaker 3 But what I've learned from him

Speaker 3 is, Shannon, is that no matter how much money you have or how rich you are, you know, you could be a good person. Yes.
And that's what he is.

Speaker 3 Like, to treat people the way he treats them, like, is, like, if you got a guy who's worth $150 billion and to treat everybody like, I mean, everything's so personable, but everything is like genuine.

Speaker 3 You know, he's not faking. He's not, he doesn't have to.
He doesn't need anybody.

Speaker 3 But just see how he treats people, like, it just goes to show, like, and that's why I try to be good at everybody. He doesn't, like, you come across because, you know, you never know.

Speaker 3 and I just seeing how Steve Bomber did for me in Mexico what he's done for this organization what he's done for the city of LA what he's done for the city of Seattle like he's just a genuine person that's a great person and you know you you don't see you don't see too many better human beings than he is hold on he went back to you to Mexico Missouri with you on a private jet and stayed at the best western best western and said it was some of the best sleep he's had in a long time so i said you know what if he can come and stay anybody i don't hear nothing from nobody anybody can come and stay in mexico if mr Obama can come and stay in Mexico.

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Speaker 3 I have a few.

Speaker 3 I love Ant-Man.

Speaker 3 I love Tatum.

Speaker 3 Just from guys that are not on my team, y'all said.

Speaker 3 Love Steph, you know, steal what he brings.

Speaker 3 Who am I missing? Fella. Oh, Kyrie.
Yeah. Kyrie.
Yeah, Kyrie be dancing.

Speaker 3 I mean, it's just so many great players. It's just hard to remember, but like, yeah, Kyrie loves to see him dance.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 I love Ant-Man,

Speaker 3 the stuff talking. Yeah.

Speaker 3 And I love, you know, watching, you know, Tatum play.

Speaker 3 But Tatum is a cousin of yours, correct? And y'all play real cousin or play play cousin? Real cousin. Okay, because you know, sometimes, you know how we are.
Too grown to play cousin.

Speaker 3 Yeah, man, but you know, but you know how we are. Hey, we'll calves up, call somebody, and we'd be closer kin to a German Shepherd than the actual person.
Yeah, for sure. Yeah.
What?

Speaker 3 You got to help me understand. Where all this hate for J.T.
come from? What hate? Man, they be killing J.T. Man, he ain't do this.

Speaker 3 And I want to ask you, because you were there. How that man, a three-time all-NBA selection, they can't get but two minutes a game in the Olympics? Two minutes a game? Yeah, okay, my bad.
Five.

Speaker 3 No, he played more than that.

Speaker 3 T. Lou, you got to figure it out.

Speaker 3 You told me we've been sitting here for over an hour and a half, and you say you can figure it out how to get guys made and how to get guys shot.

Speaker 3 You mean to tell me you couldn't figure out how to get that man more play that getting that man on the court more than that?

Speaker 3 Yeah, I mean, I take responsibility because I'm part of the coaching staff. Right.
So whatever we decide to make as a as a

Speaker 3 staff, I'm never going to go against that. I'm not going to go whisper and say, oh, we should like, no, like, once the decision is made, that's what, that's, you know, everybody got to buy into it.

Speaker 3 That's what it is. And as much as it hurt me, like, you know, I thought

Speaker 3 he's like, damn, cool. Yeah, I know.

Speaker 3 Like I'm saying, like, you know what I'm saying? I wanted to play him. I thought he should be out there.
But, like, you know, once you make a decision, I'm not going to go, but oh, man, this is the.

Speaker 3 No, I mean, that's the decision that we're talking about. The decision we made is coaching staff.
Yeah, and I'm not going to never throw a coach on the bus or a player or nobody else.

Speaker 3 You know what I'm saying? So, of course, it's my cousin. So, you know, of course, you would be a little bit more.
You want to see him be well, right? Yeah, hell yeah.

Speaker 3 Upbringing.

Speaker 3 Mexico, Missouri.

Speaker 3 What was it like?

Speaker 3 What kind of town is Mexico, Missouri?

Speaker 3 What do y'all grow? Is it livestock? Y'all have, you know, you have corn. Bricks.
Bricks. We was known for bricks.
Okay.

Speaker 3 AP Greens and Nationals.

Speaker 3 We were known for having the number one, was it Firebrick? Yeah, Firebrick,

Speaker 3 I think, in the United States. And so that's where all the money was generated from.

Speaker 3 And then when they closed those plans down, that's when Mexico kind of

Speaker 3 went down. But to me, it was like a small city.
Right. You know, because it's a town of 11,000 people.
Well, back then it was 13,500, but now it's like 11,000.

Speaker 3 But it was a small city because

Speaker 3 you had people that did everything. So if you want to gamble, yeah, all the guys taught you how to lock the dice or three car mile.

Speaker 3 Taught you how to, you know, whatever. You know, if you wanted to, you know, you don't get drugs.
You had people who were, you know, went to college and had, you know, got a degree.

Speaker 3 So you had everything you needed around. And it's a small community.

Speaker 3 So you're getting that every single day, you know, and so you learn about it, you know, every single day, what you're supposed to do, what you're not supposed to do, what to get into, what not to get into.

Speaker 3 And what it teaches you is like, when I got to the league, you know, you get around all these guys that grew up in the city.

Speaker 3 and you and you look and they don't understand and see what's going on like guys are cheating or when guys are locking the dice or they don't know what's going on and you're looking like damn these they're from the city but they don't see what's going on right you know it kind of so like me i'm like in mexico you learn everything at an early age right you know 10 11 12 you know about gambling you know about you know if you're gonna be in you know the drugs scene if you're gonna go out and party if you're gonna be whatever you're gonna be you can learn about it right now and so i thought it really did a good job of just teaching me everything at a young age so when i got older I wasn't numb to none of the bullshit.

Speaker 3 You know what I'm saying? I've seen it. I've seen it from every angle.
And so that really helped me to grow. And like I said, just having the confidence that they have back home.

Speaker 3 Like from a, you know, crackhead to a whatever, confidence.

Speaker 3 They walk around, you know, just as confident as anybody else. And that's what I love about being in Mexico because everybody's together and everybody's one.

Speaker 3 It don't matter, you know, what you've done, if you dropped out of high school, if you dropped out of junior high, whatever, like we all people, we all together.

Speaker 3 And that's why, you know, I love, I love it so much.

Speaker 3 You don't drink or smoke. Never tried it.
Because your father had a substance. Is that why? It's an abuse problem.
Is that why? Yeah,

Speaker 3 I could say that. You know,

Speaker 3 my dad, you know, like he smoked crack, you know, growing up. And

Speaker 3 I give him credit. You know, once he went to prison and got out,

Speaker 3 he's been clean for 23 years. Wow.
Yeah, never had a drink, never had a, you know, any drug. And we form a really great relationship.
And so shout out to Ronald Kim for getting himself together.

Speaker 3 But, you know, that takes a lot. Yeah, absolutely.
You know, being on drugs the way he was and to be clean and for us to have everyday loot.

Speaker 3 You know what as an addict, a recovering addict, is every day. Every day.
You got to drive by the liquor store. You got to drive by the package shop.
You got to somebody smoking. Right.

Speaker 3 You got to do this every single day for the rest of your life. And I'm a sugar addict, and I understand.
And I understand. Well, Shorty Timbles coming out on the table.

Speaker 3 You know what I'm saying? I see it.

Speaker 3 Like I said, my grandpa, he drank a lot. And so I love my grandpa Tyro.

Speaker 3 So just seeing those things and how it, you know, when my grandpa drank, when he came home at night, how he would act, you know, and how my dad was.

Speaker 3 And just, you know, seeing those dynamics, you know, made me want to stay away. And then also, like, it was like a badge of honor, like all my friends or, you know, they're drinking.

Speaker 3 I don't want to do that. Like, I want to be different.
Right. You know, and so

Speaker 3 it's 48 years now, so I don't need to do it now. Hey, yeah, you're too late.
Yeah. You said you live with your uncle.

Speaker 3 And you spoke about your uncle briefly earlier. Two.
Two different. Yeah.
My uncle Jay, so I idolized basketball.

Speaker 3 That's not the one you live with. No.
Okay. Yeah.
And I went and lived with my uncle Kevin. Okay.

Speaker 3 Is that your mom's brother or your dad's brother? My mom's brother. Okay.
Yeah. And so my sophomore year in high school,

Speaker 3 I got in some trouble back home in Mexico.

Speaker 3 The family came to an agreement that, you know, I needed to get out of there, like, you know, and have a father figure, be in a bigger city and have a chance to, because like

Speaker 3 teams wasn't coming. College coaches wasn't coming to Mexico to recruit you know and so to try to display my uh I took my talents to South Beach you know what I'm saying and went to Kansas City and

Speaker 3 my uncle like I say he took me in you know and

Speaker 3 as a sophomore you know that's tough you know he took me in and you know I hit the ground running you know it was it was hard because in Mexico you used to being out on the streets till one two in the morning right you know you're being policed and by all the different you know my mom's you know friend or you know you know the community they raised you yeah so you ain't you such and such boy?

Speaker 3 Right. You know, you know better.
Right. And so you get to Kansas City.
It's a big city.

Speaker 3 You know, and so it was, the dynamics were different, you know, having to be, you know, in at a certain time and, you know, being, you know, being more safe.

Speaker 3 And, you know, it was, it was, it was, it was an adjustment for me, but I needed it. Right.
You know, and so, you know, Kevin took me in and did my three years there.

Speaker 3 And then I was able to go to Nebraska from there. And then kind of, you know, so it got my life on track because I was going the wrong direction.
So it was, it was very much needed.

Speaker 3 You had some health issues. There was some chest pains this past season.
Damn, coaching stressful, huh? This season? Yeah. Was it last season? A couple years? Where were this? In Cleveland.
Cleveland.

Speaker 3 Yeah, in Cleveland. Well, this year I had, no, I messed my backup.
Yeah, my shoulder and my back. What did you do? I'm trying to get big like you, man.
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 3 You know, trying to throw that weight around and all that. Just, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 3 I know better, man. Them days are over, man.
Yeah, man. Yeah.
And so I had, you know, I messed my backup. That was.
Possitica?

Speaker 3 No, it was like, it was like oh you're fat yeah and so but cleveland yeah is um when i had the chest pains and um

Speaker 3 didn't understand what was going on like you know i felt like a heart attack you know or whatever heart attack you think feel like right and um

Speaker 3 i was scared to sleep at night because like these sharp pains were like just like shooting my chest i'm like i was scared to go to sleep because i didn't know what was going on so i wasn't sleeping and we did all the testing so i went to um cleveland clinic yeah and um i did all like the ekgs the echo testing, the treadmill, all that stuff.

Speaker 3 And so the doctor said, listen, you might die, but it won't be from your heart.

Speaker 3 Your heart is perfectly fine. So I'm like, damn, like, what's, so I was like, okay, I feel better about that, you know, whatever.

Speaker 3 So we still kept trying to find what was going on and got with a doctor and he said, oh, man, you're experiencing anxiety and depression, you know? And so I was like, depression?

Speaker 3 I'm from Mexico. I ain't depressed.
And I'm Dallas. I'm like, yeah, I ain't depressed.
Right. Whatever.
He's like, no, like, that's what you're experiencing. And so he was like, I want you to do this.

Speaker 3 So they had some medication for me to take for a couple of weeks. And I took some time off, which I give Cleveland.
Give me an opportunity to do that. Yeah, yeah.
They were really serious about it.

Speaker 3 And I give Kobe Alban a lot of credit for just saying, listen, take the time you need. Don't unless.

Speaker 3 So I took a couple of weeks off, changed my diet, you know, took some medication, started doing yoga and all that stuff. And it helped.
And then I got the medication like right after the playoffs.

Speaker 3 And so the guy, the doctor said, my happy place is

Speaker 3 gambling, like being

Speaker 3 in Vegas and the playoffs. Really? That was my happy place.
And so, he's like, anytime you get a chance.

Speaker 3 So, like, what was crazy is like our general manager, like David Griffin, he'd come to the house two times a week. Right.
We have a poker game.

Speaker 3 You know, so like they did everything they could to you know keep me engaged. But once I found that out, but like, it hasn't been a problem ever since.
But, like, it was some stressful times.

Speaker 3 How many hours a night were you sleeping? Probably three.

Speaker 3 Tops.

Speaker 3 Damn. Hell, I might be stressed in anxiety too.

Speaker 3 Three tops.

Speaker 3 But I mean, since I retired, I mean, I used to sleep fairly good when I was a player. But once I got to a certain age, I don't.

Speaker 3 Yeah. I mean,

Speaker 3 because when you get older, you don't sleep with grandma. I don't sleep with you.
No. But when you haven't chest pain.

Speaker 3 I wonder why a year come. Them old people be up.
Yeah. They go to bed at 7 o'clock, but they open at 3.
Yeah. So, but when you go to bed and you're having chest pain.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Then sometimes you're spitting up blood, like, and you don't know what's going on. Right.
You know, so like,

Speaker 3 you know, because like coaches, it's tough. Like, when you want to be the best, when you want to win, and get the best player in the world.

Speaker 3 You wouldn't need too many oxtails and hog malls and stuff like that. No, no.
Why a lot of sugar? A lot of sugar.

Speaker 3 So you got a sweet too. Sweets, yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Because we see

Speaker 3 Coach Pompovich had to retire. I mean, obviously, coaching is very stressful.
Yes. Because.
You coach a team and the expectations are very, very high. You understand that.

Speaker 3 You understand when you get into this profession, what is expected of you.

Speaker 3 So it ain't no pretense. Well, you know, I want this team.
It ain't that no more. AA, it's now, and the players that you have, you got a guy that was a top 75 player.

Speaker 3 As a matter of fact, you got two of them on your team. So the expectations are

Speaker 3 to win. Yes.
You feel that. I like that.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I like that because if you're in a position to win a championship, that's all you that's all. That's all you can ask for.
Yeah, that's all you can ask for.

Speaker 3 And so if it was a situation where you're not playing for a championship, you're not competing for a championship. What are we doing this for? Yeah, you know,

Speaker 3 I like those expectations. Give me your all-time starting five teammates, your former teammates, guys that you play with.
For his talent, or who I love? Give me your starting five.

Speaker 3 Who you gonna start with? You got you got five, you got a starting five,

Speaker 3 but you know, I'm saying who I like the most, or who's the best players.

Speaker 3 You had to put together a starting five of the five teammates who want to be and why.

Speaker 3 Shaq, Shaq is one, Kobe, Kobe,

Speaker 3 Jordan, Jordan,

Speaker 3 T-Mac. T-Mac.

Speaker 3 Oh, damn. Yao me.

Speaker 3 Yeah. We got Yao.
Dirk. Dirk.
JK.

Speaker 3 I'm sorry if I leave anybody.

Speaker 3 So, I mean, you're going by position, right? So it's Shaq.

Speaker 3 Dirk.

Speaker 3 Kobe,

Speaker 3 Jordan.

Speaker 3 You can put T-Mac in there. You can put J.K.

Speaker 3 Yeah, go big. Yeah.
Yeah, T-Mac,

Speaker 3 Cobe, Jordan, Dirk, Shaq. Damn.

Speaker 3 That's a nice little squad, that now.

Speaker 3 Y'all might win some championships.

Speaker 3 Has ring culture become a problem? We kind of touched on this a little bit earlier because now if you ain't got a ni, if you ain't got a ring, you.

Speaker 3 I think it has. I think it's become a problem because now you have guys

Speaker 3 thinking that winning is more important than loyalty and doing it the right way. And it's not their fault, but it's like you said, it's what is projecting to the world now.

Speaker 3 I think it's hard to see franchises draft great players, young players, and you're willing to grow with, but they leave to

Speaker 3 try to pursue a championship because they think that's what's... going to get them to this point, to the pinnacle.
And so

Speaker 3 I just think, yeah, it's definitely clouded our game just as far as saying, oh, you got to win, you got to win championship. Like, you just got to be a great player and a great person.

Speaker 3 Like, everything's going to take care of itself, you know. And so I know Steve Antonio.

Speaker 3 It ain't no guarantee. Even if you go someplace, you're going to win a championship.
Yeah, exactly. You know, and so I think win is important.
Like, you play to win. Correct.

Speaker 3 That's the number one goal. Like, that's the ultimate goal.
You know, but I think there's the right ways to do it, though. Like, you can't sell yourself

Speaker 3 because you want to win a championship.

Speaker 3 Like, I just, you know, it just so to me um being the best player you can be doing the right way um grind to get to that point um i think it's important and it's it's more of a feeling when you do it that way

Speaker 3 is the era of the super teams over

Speaker 3 yes

Speaker 3 i think so because of the way you know the cap is structured now the first aprons they're gonna punish you yeah it's it's gonna be hard if you want to spend a billion dollars a year to try to win a championship be like the nbx they be my guest and then also like if you're gonna do it it's gonna be with with older talent.

Speaker 3 Right. Guys that's 35, 36 that's going to take less money to try to win.
But

Speaker 3 I think the super teams, and especially the way the game is played now, with all the cutting, slashing, picking up full court, like stars ain't doing it.

Speaker 3 So you need three or four guys around to do the dirty work.

Speaker 3 So it's going to be a little different. So it might be one here, here, or there, but for the most part, I think that's over.

Speaker 3 Expectations for the Clippers this season?

Speaker 3 To win at a high level,

Speaker 3 to me, I want to get to the conference finals

Speaker 3 or better.

Speaker 3 And we have a talented team to do it. Like our biggest thing is over the years has been health, you know,

Speaker 3 which has held us back and still think about and dream about my first year. Like if Kawhi don't get hurt that year, like

Speaker 3 is that the Utah series? Yeah, he gets hurt. We beat the number one seed, Utah.
And then we play in the conference finals against Phoenix, go to game six.

Speaker 3 You know, PG had a hell of a, you know, series and, you know, came up up short. You know, so every year it's been something.
You know, Kawhi's missed every playoff series.

Speaker 3 PG's been out for playoff series. And so it's just been tough.
So for me, I think

Speaker 3 with our coaching staff, you know,

Speaker 3 the team that we've assembled with, you know, Jeff Van Gundy, like I said, Brian Shaw has done a great job. Jay Lara Nega, you know, Larry Drew, Jeremy Castleberry, Dante.

Speaker 3 So we got a great group of guys that have played the game and some that understands the game and been head coaches before.

Speaker 3 And so I think with that dynamic, with our players, I think we got a chance to be pretty good. So, I'm excited about it.
Clippers head coach Tyron Lou, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you very much.

Speaker 3 Appreciate you, bro. Yes, sir.

Speaker 3 All my life, been grinding all my life.

Speaker 3 Sacrifice, hustle, paid the price,

Speaker 3 want a slice, got the roll of dice. That's why, all my life, I've been grinding all my life.

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