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a question, huh?

Go ahead.

Boy, Debo, Debo doing everything you can to stay away from me.

He ducked it, huh?

I'm just saying,

I'm not saying he ducking me, but I'm just saying by the look what he has going on.

He ain't trying to find you.

You ain't say he dodging you, but he ain't really looking for you.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Something ain't right.

Something ain't right.

Yeah, yeah, something right.

Yeah.

Okay, Ocho.

College football is officially back.

We had some games last week, but now the real games start to come.

And tonight's game, Georgia Tech go on the road.

And in Folsom Field at CU, they win 27-20.

Hayes King, 13 of 20, 143.

He threw an interception, but it was his legs that was the difference.

19 rushes, a buck 56.

three rushing touchdown the last one 45 yards to put them ahead with a minute and seven seconds left in the ball game.

And they go on the road and they defeat the Buffaloes 27-20.

The first game without Shadur Sanders and

the receiver.

Travis Hunter.

Travis Hunter.

So Colorado is on a new era now.

Kaylin Salt, I think that's his name.

17-28, 159, one touchdown.

They ran the ball really well.

31 for a buck 46, but it was Georgia Tech.

47 rushes, 327 yards.

Yeah.

Ocho,

I was disgusted watching this game.

I said, what about gap integrity?

What about contained?

Georgia Tech has run the football since I was a kid.

Even when they had Megatron, they ran the damn football.

When they had Demarius Thomas, they ran the football.

Georgia Tech runs the football.

It's like if you play the Naval Academy or Army, you know they're going to run the football, Ocho.

I'm like, Livingston, are you going to make any adjustment?

Guys, what is your responsibility?

What about your gap integrity?

about what about your contained responsibility?

Right.

I'm like, this is utterly ridiculous.

And quarterback, Salter,

bro, you missed entirely too many throws.

He missed entirely too many throws, Ocho.

Yes, sir.

And number 20 got a nice set of hands on him.

The running back, bro.

He wide open.

And I hate when quarterbacks do this, Ocho.

When you miss a throw, you go to the running back or you go to the wide receiver.

Tell me, I want you.

No, bro, I was right there.

Put it on me.

All you had to do is hit me right here.

Don't come back.

Don't do that.

Don't do that.

You effed it up.

Yeah, and he had the guy on 30-10.

He missed entirely too many throws.

But their defense let him down tonight.

You can't let somebody come into your building and run the ball 47 times for 320, 20 yards.

Hold on, let me see.

Before, let me see.

Yes, sir.

See if I want to see y'all.

No, I'm going to go back.

Box score.

Man, Ocho, this was, I'm like, but I knew, I was on the phone with my brother early in the game.

I say, Spank, a team give you three turnovers at home in the first quarter and you want to score seven points, you telling that team, beat me, beat me, kick our ass.

You supposed to have a buried.

They didn't, and they got what they deserved.

Yeah.

Go ahead, Ocho.

I'll find it in a second.

Go ahead.

I say, listen, what I was going to say is, obviously, we all wanted to see what

Colorado would look like without Shador Sanders, without Travis Hunter.

And they didn't look that bad.

First game of the season, you want to get the Kinks out.

You want to see what areas you need to improve in.

Obviously, we see defensively, defensively, Colorado has to be able to stop the run because now it's out there on tape.

What do we do when we play against the Colorado Buffaloes to have success?

We run the ball.

That was the issue last year, the OJ.

Damn.

That was the issue last year.

Obviously, Georgia Tech showed that.

That's an area that hasn't been filled.

So that needs to be addressed.

Boom.

For me.

For me, the beginning of the game, Georgia Tech tried to hand the game to Colorado.

They tried to hand the game to him.

I'm saying, well, God damn.

In my mind, I'm looking, boom, after the first turnover, oh, them boys went down and scored.

And then it was two more turnovers after that.

I'm like, well, all right, I don't like the way this is looking.

Because if you got the ball back two more times, you know, three turnovers in the first quarter for

Georgia Tech.

And you only do something with it one time.

I say, you know what?

It's going to come down to the end it's gonna come down to the end because offensively they're not doing enough they're not doing enough offensively to to put me at ease and to put you know to make me calm because for one the first turnover it was all the way in your territory so of course it was easy to go down and score but the other two it seemed like you really couldn't move the ball they didn't you really couldn't move the ball you tried you tried you tried everything you could to establish the run the the run was it was uh it was okay they ran for a hundred oh joe they ran i mean, they, they ran for 146 yards.

Yeah, but

obviously, it wasn't enough.

It wasn't enough.

You want a happy balance of both, you know, to kind of keep the defense, you know, on their heels or not knowing what's going to come.

Are they going to run it?

Are they going to throw it?

But they weren't good enough in the air either, huh?

No.

That's the quarterback, Ocho.

And look.

I think he has tremendous arm talent.

Oh, yeah.

You don't have to impress us with every throw of your arm.

You're missing routine throws he's gonna have to learn how to throw better on the move because on the move he's not very good and you know we're gonna we're gonna be nice ocho because these are college kids these are professionals

it's week one too it's week one ocho throw it on the move that should be able to week one week no one week anything you should be able to throw he oh the throws that he's missing because that's third down you're off the field You want to stay on the field.

I want another crack.

Give me four more cracks at you.

Right.

And we saw him miss numerous throws.

The second time he had an opportunity, Ocho,

he could have ran the ball to the end zone instead of throwing it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Bro,

we understand that you have a nice arm.

I mean, we saw him launch it 60, 65 yards.

But, bro,

sometimes you got to understand, okay, this is an opportunity for me to.

That was not the time for you to try to dazzle, try to impress us with your arm.

Right.

Pick up the first down.

And another thing, Oncho, then I'm going to turn it back over to you.

I don't know what Coach Prime was thinking.

They got the ball back with a minute and seven seconds in the ball game.

You got two timeouts and you don't use any.

You took those same two timeouts you had to start that drive and you go into the locker room with them.

So you throw one pass behind the line of scrimmage.

You get tackled.

You don't call timeout.

You complete another pass on second down.

You don't call timeout.

And then the quarterback picks up a third down, but he burns eight, nine, ten seconds on the clock.

What the hell are y'all doing?

On the scramble.

I'm not sure what was going on in that situation.

Obviously, you want to use those timeouts to give yourself as much time as possible.

Yes.

Continue running play to try to get down in

some type of range to throw a Hail Mary pass.

I'm not sure what the issue was there.

But listen, they got some stuff they need to work on.

They have some stuff they need to work on.

I'm sure Prime is glad that college football is back.

We're out there playing against opponents and not just ourselves.

so we can see what areas we need to get better at.

Obviously, some areas are some of the same stuff that we had issues with last year.

I'm going to start with just the running game, being able to stop the run game, having having the hey, listen, having the meat and potatoes to be able to compete up there in the trenches and stop people from running down your goddamn throat.

320?

That's where it starts.

320.

Yeah, that's a lot.

That's a lot too, boy.

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it's about want to because schematically i can't do anything ocho they weren't doing anything he faked the talls and then they pull a guard or they pull a double guard or tackle or they'll pull a guard and they'll pull the running back that's all they were doing

They wasn't doing anything.

The past game, schematically, Ocho, I can scheme people.

When I run the football, it wasn't nothing fancy.

Yeah.

It was nothing.

It was our guys kicked your guys' ass.

That's it.

Yep.

Nothing.

That's what we did.

And that's why football is, for me, mentally the toughest sport because you know why, Ocho?

You're asking one man to move another man against his will.

Now, I know Colorado didn't want to leave that patch of grass,

that A gap, that B gap, that C, or contain.

I know they didn't want to leave it.

But Georgia Tech said, you getting your ass up out of here.

You getting up out of here.

Yeah.

And I'm like, bro, what,

Livingston?

I know, A, and look, you go back and you watch the film.

There's a lot.

There is nothing.

You didn't really do a whole lot good other than the fact, you know, when they got the lead, I mean, you came down, they got went and got 20, you matched them, but then they go right back down the field, right back down the field, and they ran the football on you.

Do you know what it takes to take the goal 75, 65, 70 yards, and I just run it?

I think it threw one pass.

I think it threw one pass.

Yeah, on the ground at that.

On the ground at that.

Hey, listen,

you know the difference.

You know the difference and what matters when it comes to wins and losses.

What you got up there in your front, what you got up there in the trenches.

You ain't got to, you ain't got to listen.

If you ain't got enough meat and potatoes up there in your front, in your front yard, and you got them boys ain't got enough rocks in their back pocket,

you're going to get moved around.

You're going to get pushed around.

You understand that.

And that's what you saw tonight.

Week one.

The same issues you had last year.

And it's only one way to fix it.

You got to get them big hogs up there.

You got to.

That's the only way to stop it.

And then if you don't have the size, you got to have people that want it.

People that got this,

that want to come downhill.

Well, you know what?

You want to move me against my will.

Well, let me show you.

I'm not one of those that you just going.

I ain't going.

Hey, I ain't going nowhere.

I ain't going.

I'm coming to the party.

It don't matter what time I get there, but I'm going to be there.

Corners,

Ocho, whatever happened to, I'm not going to let my outside arm get pinned.

You never give up that leverage.

Where the hell leverage?

Where is contain?

Don't know.

I mean, I'm sure it's hard for me to believe with the personnel that time has on that staff, they don't teach leverage.

They don't teach contain.

They don't teach gap responsibility, gap integrity.

I refuse to believe that.

And constantly, I see DBs giving up the outside arm and the guy running down the sideline.

Constantly, I see defensive linemen.

I'm like, bro, that is your gap.

How you let that man get you up out of there?

That is your gap.

And the funny thing about it is

coaches can coach it.

and repeat it over and over and over and over as many times as they want.

But when the bullets is flying on, you have one responsibility to take what you're taught and execute the X's and O's.

That all comes down to want to.

That all comes down to want to at the end of the day.

Ojo,

here's the thing.

When you're walking through something,

it's easy.

But if you want to find out what a man can do, put him to the test.

Come on, man.

The test is when the

hut, when that ball moves.

That's the test.

See,

I know what you're doing when you're walking through.

Yeah.

I know what you're doing.

But if you want to know what a man can really do, put him to the test.

Put his ass under the gun.

And let's see what he does.

Because I've seen so many guys, and you have too, in practice.

They look like Odell Beckham catching the ball.

They run the ball.

I'm like, well, damn, look at how you break on the ball.

Deion Sanders?

And then get in the game and he's playing like Colonel Sanders.

I'm like, oh, no, hell no.

Man, please.

So,

man, Chad, I'm sorry.

Chad, I'm on one tonight.

If you guys can tell,

that Colorado game, they got me pissed off.

I don't know.

I'm to the highest

pestivity.

Is that a word?

Yeah.

Who they playing like, Colonel who?

Yeah.

I mean, in practice, they looking like Deion Sanders breaking on the ball.

Now they get in the game, They're looking like Colonel Sanders.

Fried chicken.

Oh, God.

And I'm looking, and I understand, oh, Joe, I understand.

Yeah.

Some of these guys, I mean, I mean, starting for the first time,

bright lights.

Yeah.

It's different.

But

that's what

makes us who we are.

Yes.

To being able to perform.

under duress, under adversity.

Different.

And not forget that I can't get my outside arm pin.

I got to hold contain.

I got to maintain my leverage.

I've got to have sound gap responsibility.

And you can't throw that out the window because now all of a sudden they firing off the ball.

That's the thing.

You've got to be able to hold that.

And Chad, I'm not, look, maybe.

I'm using turn, but you watched the game.

You saw what I saw.

Hell, my old ass could have ran through some of them holes.

Now, I wouldn't have got no 45 yards, but I'd have got a first down.

I was like, damn.

They've got, look, it's the first game, Ocho.

And for me, I've always felt that I wanted at home, especially the first game, Ocho.

Want to win that.

I got a whole soul.

I got a whole soul.

You got to win that.

And listen, they had plenty of opportunity.

They had opportunity.

When they got to those that second and that third turnover and do and didn't do anything with the ball i said it's gonna be a long night i told i told spank i said color that that should have set the tone for the game right there should have put him down

worst case scenario oh you'll put them down 13 0 17 nothing yes

at worst case worst with three turnovers and that team's on the road you're in your home it can't be seven nothing going into the second quarter it cannot be it cannot be and it puts all the it puts all the pressure back on georgia tech to have because

go ahead go ahead now i'm gonna say it puts all the pressure back on georgia tech where you won't have that comfortability of being able to run the ball all second half all second half long

because guess what ocho i still got i still hey you didn't take me out you didn't take me out of what i want to do yeah because it's only seven nothing now maybe if it's 17 nothing maybe if it's 21 nothing i gotta games

thank you i got a chance But now, even with these turnovers, you allow me to still stay in my comfort zone.

Yes, sir.

Yes, sir.

Damn.

I don't know how to do it, Ocho.

But most of the time, if somebody, if you don't make somebody get up out of the, if you got, if you rent an apartment, if you use somebody landlord, right?

And they go and they go a month or two and they ain't paid you your money, there's a good chance they're not going to pay you in week three, a month four, month five, month six.

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They squatting basically.

I've got them.

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They're not trying to hear that, Ocho.

At all.

So, in this situation right here, all Colorado did was yell across the field, hey, appreciate them three turnovers.

Now, kick our ass.

Yeah, that's it.

You got

the turnovers in the first quarter, Ocho.

Yeah, you got to do something with that.

You got to.

I say

that.

Second one, I say, okay, if they get another one,

we got to find a way to get the game out of their hands.

Yes.

Make it a little easy on the back end.

But once they, after that second one, and they went

damn near three and out.

You know, damn near.

They did.

Might as well have been.

I say, you know, it's going to be a long night.

Oh, I knew.

I knew they wouldn't win in this game.

Once they got them three turnovers in the first quarter and they only came away with seven points and you allowed Georgia Tech to stay within the scheme of what they want to do.

The first thing I want to do, if you are a running team, I want to get you out of that.

I don't want you to be able to run the football.

I want to,

what do you do?

What is the second best thing that you do?

I want you to play to that.

I don't want you to play to your strength, Ocho.

I want you to play to your weakness.

And if you beat me with your weakness, Ocho, I come to the center of the field.

Congratulations.

Good job.

Hey, stay healthy.

I'll see you down the road, Coach.

But I'm not going to let you beat me when I know that's what you want to do.

But like I said,

the D coordinator, I understand y'all put a lot of time in because you know what Georgia Tech does.

Georgia Tech wants to run the football.

But your gap integrity, your leverage, your contain was pissed poor.

And that'll cause you to lose a lot of games.

That'll cause you to lose a lot of games.

We had this conversation last year when they played Kansas.

We had these conversations over the years when we're discussing Colorado about being able to stop the run.

Now, one thing I will say, Ocho, they look better in pass protection.

Oh, yeah, absolutely.

That left tackle is going to go play at the next level.

That left tackle, number 77, he's going to go play at the next level.

Oh, yeah.

He's a real dude.

He's going to go play.

Yeah, he's going to go play.

He's going to be playing on Sundays.

But they got to do a better job.

I don't care how good you are offensively.

If you cannot stop the run,

because they're just possessing, I mean, think about it.

They still have five more minutes of possession with three turnovers.

Yeah.

And a lot of turnovers are like two plays.

One play, turnover.

Three plays, turnover.

You're giving the ball back too fast.

You're not doing nothing with it.

You're not doing nothing with it.

Man, I jumped, man.

I was

man, I was so frustrated because I'm like, bro.

Hold on, you think you're frustrated tonight?

Wait till you see tomorrow's game.

You might be frustrated again.

Who?

Who played tomorrow?

Well, Texas and Ohio State.

What you mean by tomorrow?

Look, I think the thing is, Ocho, when games, if you know somebody, I'm I'm going to be watching because I like Sark.

I know Sark.

He and I, we communicate.

So, yes,

I'm going to be pulling for Sark.

I'm sorry, chat.

Yes, I'm going to be pulling for Sark because I like him.

But, you know, when you know time, you kind of vested.

You know, you and I both have gone to see you, watched them play.

It's a great atmosphere.

And this was a winnable game for Colorado.

But they did everything they possibly could to help Georgia Tech.

Steal it from him.

Yeah.

Well, Georgia Tech didn't steal it.

They went on the road.

They outplayed him.

And Coach says, look, we got, we

give their defense credit because the defense bowls they're back because they got the three, they only gave up seven points over those three turnovers.

So that could have, they could have gotten, they could have gotten out of hand.

Colorado took care of the football, they didn't turn it over not one time.

They had less penalties.

But when you, when you let a team go run for 320,

320, I mean, first of all, 200 yards a lot.

We can't start letting teams get 300, 400 yards running on you.

Man, please.

Yeah, please.

But

I'm sure Coach Prime, I don't know how they do it in college, Ocho.

I mean,

we played Saturday.

We was off Sunday, unless we played like horse and coach would make us put our uniforms on and go practice.

Right.

Go practice.

And I was thinking about that, Ocho.

Ocho, do you know?

I mean, think about it, Ocho.

If you played a game on Monday, I mean Sunday, and Coach, and you was in Cincinnati.

They said, ocho, put your pants on.

We go into practice on a Monday.

I don't know about that.

Hey, listen, hey, Gray, grown folk.

Now, grown folk, that ain't finna work.

We are not putting no pads on after playing a three-hour game on a Sunday.

That's not happening.

I'm not sure who the team captains would be, but I can guarantee you they will not be in no pads after game day.

Uncle, you already know how we're feeling after this game day.

What?

Yes,

absolutely.

No, you know how long it takes to get out of bed after a game, man.

I do.

Put on some pads.

Pads who?

Shoot.

Nah.

ain't happening uh

but they'll probably have tomorrow off come in monday watch the tape get ready because it's a fast turnaround ocho you can't you can't let this linger that bench is there not long not long

it's just something about look oh look it's been damn near 40 years since i was in college ocho but there's something about and i was never a big a big guy that went out after the game but i can assure you if we lost you gonna see shannon shaw face on the apples oh hell no you bet first of all you barely saw me after a win.

Barely.

I'm talking about maybe, I think I went to maybe one party in four years of college.

I know, no, no.

And we lose?

Yeah.

I'm looking at the guys filing out, man.

They hurrying back, OJo, the shower, especially if we're home.

They hurry up and shower and go to the party.

I'm like, you sorry, Mofos.

Y'all want people to see y'all?

They just lost.

I tell you what, though, this is how I look at it.

And I'm going to be honest.

You have to think, my time time during my tenure in Cincinnati, we had what, maybe one, maybe two winning seasons?

Yeah.

My entire

when I was there.

So I had no choice but having my business week in and week out, whether we were winning and losing, because I'm stepping outside.

I'm stepping outside.

And I can tell you, I know exactly where I was at because I had friends of mine that I met, Maine, Rico, Los,

all them boys down there in Cincinnati as a group of five.

We've been friends since 2001.

I have no other outside friends outside of those I met on the first day I got lost in Cincinnati.

First day, still friends to this day.

Dude, we go to the ante's after every game.

We play at one o'clock.

They game in at three.

We at JLExander's at six o'clock.

And then when 10 or whatever it calls roll around, oh, I'm going out.

I'm going out because I'm trying to enjoy myself.

get some of the soreness out, walk around, you know, have a little fun, talk to some of the fans, you know, the dudes out, you know, out the hood that be out off of short short vine and

wherever they from, you know, just talk football.

I like that.

I was more of a people person, you know, during that time and love to talk the game of football, whether we were losing or winning.

And I would always show my face, whether we were losing or winning.

I enjoyed it.

I mean, one of the worst times I had, Ocho,

I was in Baltimore and we had made reservations.

I had already made reservations at Ruth Chris.

I had brought everybody in and we lost the game.

If I didn't have my mom and my sister and all them kids, I'd care for that.

hell no

i would get takeout i would get takeout we lost the game right hey we going by such and such no i'm going on home

i'm going home yeah i'm i'm i hey i'm a i'm a sore loser i'm a worst winner right but i i don't i didn't i didn't i don't i don't i don't want to be around nobody i know how i am i'm moody i'm irritable because guess what that's why y'all lost y'all out here party you need to be home in your playbook you need to be studying your play you know what i'm saying i i ain't trying to hear that right right right right right let me take my black ass home sulk moat and think about man what could i have done differently right oh

hey it's oh uh

hey i would i was hanging with with us huh i was hanging with us we have a game

we have a game of obviously we played one o'clock

I swear before God, you would think I wasn't even a football player.

For one, not just a football player, but a star football player at that.

Because if you catch me at the football game, before me and the fellas go eat dinner, you can just catch me on short vine.

You can catch me down the way.

I go see my little young bulls that enjoy the game of football.

I sit there with them, talk about the game for a little bit, you know, chit-chat.

We on the corner, huh?

We on the corner in Cincinnati, just chilling.

Talking football for about an hour or two, I sit there with them, smoke a cigar after the game.

Boom, I go down to J.

Alexander's.

My routine was the exact same for a decade straight.

it never changed well never changed i don't know if they're still in existence but i would go i would call i would get black eye pee was the name of the restaurant i would get uh the grilled chicken or the country fried steak i would get kernel i would get rice i would get kernel corn and i would get black eyed peas

get something i'd get a uh a combination of like

lemon lemon tea lemons uh raspberry tea or something and i'm going home that's it i'm going home i want i want to be i want to be miserable by myself i don't want to see nobody.

I don't want to talk about it.

I don't want nobody to tell me you played a good game because I played like dog.

I don't care if I had 150.

I played terrible.

I didn't play good enough to win.

And I don't want nobody to try to pat me on the back.

You guys are going to get.

No, we're not.

Right.

No.

I don't know what's going to happen after this.

I'm talking about this game.

So

I know how I am.

I've always been like this.

We lost the game in high school.

Hey, y'all, we going.

Man, I'm going home.

Coach, take me home.

we win right your boy hey your boy hey i'm gonna walk the streets with y'all right right right right if we lose yeah you you you take you take you take

i feel you nah nah because i know because oh i've always been one of these guys that worked so hard for it i i know what i put in and the more you put into something the more it hurt when it doesn't work out in your favor see i like what you just said you know what you put in I i understand what I put in.

I understand the work I put in to make sure I, it's a team game, right?

It's a game.

When it comes time to get paid, you get paid individually.

Basically,

you do.

I make sure I did my part.

You definitely do.

Now, if the other 10 don't do what they supposed to do, now I'm not,

I'm not going to punish myself.

I'm punishing myself.

Why?

Am I not going nowhere?

Because y'all sorry.

Hell no.

I'm going to get out here.

I'm going to go get my J-Alexander's.

I'm going to talk to my homeboys, you know, and I'm going to go out.

I'm gonna go to Annie's, and I'm gonna enjoy myself.

Now, I don't drink no alcohol, but you know, I got my fellas with me.

I got my fellas with me.

I'm gonna make sure they have a good time.

Man,

oh, a transformer just

hit Joe's house, and so he ain't got no power.

What?

Joe got buzzed up.

Look, he needs to move.

Hey, Joe, hey, Joe, over there on a hundred million dollar property,

a hundred million dollar property, 200

273,000 square feet and ain't got no power.

With a goddamn generator, Joe, Joe, with a generator.

I know you got a generator out there, Joe.

Everybody should have one Atlanta because them pop-up storms are gonna pop up and knock it out.

Gonna knock your power out.

Hold on, can Joe see us right now?

Hey, Joe, can you see us?

Hey, FaceTime, you got no power.

Nah, he got a cell phone, huh?

Internet.

You don't got, oh, come on now.

You you don't you don't you need uh lte or a g g5 which what you call it what you call the provider the uh yeah uh 5g hey now yeah i don't require nothing your phone should work joe face time me joe if you can see this face time if he ain't got no internet he can't face time you

yes you can uh no you can't

but the internet in the house has nothing to do with your cell phone working Man, look here.

Okay.

Hey, he can FaceTime me.

I can just hold the phone up.

He can still be part of the show

coach prime who was recently diagnosed with black bladder cancer and needs frequently use of the restroom no longer has to travel far he has a portable toilet next to colorado's bench to accommodate him following bladder reconstruction surgery and it's sponsored

man time time by this by hey and hey that they that that depends but i know they i know they're paying well for that boy see a lot of people oh yeah for sure

because a lot of people embarrassed at that ocho whoo well i wish I would.

Why?

You know how many zeros probably come behind that right now?

Yeah, but I'm saying a lot of people don't want people to know that they have to wear

adults' undergarment.

You don't say it like that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.

You got to understand who Prime is.

You got to who Prime is.

He's one that can wear any and everything on his shoulders.

Don't give a damn with none of y'all on the outside thing.

People wear them, but they don't want to advertise it.

But like you said, you know what I'm saying?

Hey,

hold on.

They make them for a reason.

Oh, yeah.

Anytime they make something, somebody is purchasing it.

So it's a lot of, you know, sometimes women, after they have kids, it takes a while for them, for those muscles to get back strong again.

Sometimes men, they have bladder cancer, they have prostate, they have issues.

It's hard.

And some, you know, hey,

my grandmother, my grandmother wouldn't wear them.

She said, Libby, I want my dignity.

Yeah.

So my grandmother wouldn't work.

My grandmother wouldn't wear them.

And, you know, she obviously passed.

I think Rainy was 88.

In May, she was 88.

So she passed in July.

Yeah.

Listen, I tell you what, it depends.

If you see this, come on, holler at your boy.

Come on, holler at your boy.

Ain't nothing wrong with you.

Huh?

Hey, but sometimes I do be thinking about getting me a goose.

Man, I'd be tired of walking to the bathroom, man.

I just need to get me a goose and go right inside the bed.

Give me something where I can just roll over to the right or roll over to the left.

I don't want to get up out of bed anyway because

I keep upstairs.

Boy, by 60 degrees.

I think 60 degrees, it's freezing up there.

So, when I got to get up in the middle of the night, sometimes I don't want to do that.

I could always use some depends.

Hey, I'm gonna date myself here.

And if you, if you're my age or older and you're from the south, you know what I'm talking about.

Hey, I'm gonna get me a night pot or a slop jar.

See, if you're from the south and you my age or older, you know exactly.

They call them pea pots, they call them night pots, they call them slop jars.

Slap jar.

I ain't never heard it.

You can google it.

Okay, that's what anytime I say something, I see.

Hey, you know that what that mean?

She immediately, anytime I say something with your, I can see the face.

But yeah, but I mean, look,

to where it depends,

that's the least of the issues.

Yeah.

I'm glad they caught this in time.

I mean, think about it.

Boy, hey, God, good.

God, great.

And what he instilled in man, to take his bladder and reconstruct it and use a small,

man, please.

I like that.

Man.

I like that.

But

if anybody, look,

this man, that Joey Time, his attitude about anything, he'll make anything positive.

It could be the worst situation.

He's one of the few people, no matter how bad a situation is, is, he can make it positive.

He can make light of a situation,

make it pop.

Hey, and you, hey, and the thing you know, hey,

like when I did the interview, and I know a lot of you guys have seen the interview.

When I went up there and I started getting on everybody's toes, yeah,

he wouldn't have it any other way.

Because he's like, you know, if it was on the, if it was you, you know, I get you.

I'm like, I absolutely, I know.

Absolutely, I know.

The joke's gonna fly now.

That's that's something that's gonna always happen.

We, but we all, we all have that type of relationship, though.

Yes,

oh, you okay?

That's why, hey, you okay, you good?

Man, you know, I'm good.

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I got to get you.

Oh, Joe.

The trade heard around the world.

Last night, the Dallas Cowboys did the unthinkable, trading the four-time Pro Bowler, defensive rookie of the year, two-time first team Roll Pro, Michael Parsons to the Green Bay Packers in exchange for two first-round picks and defensive tackle, Kenny Clark.

The Packers handed Michael Parsons,

the largest contract for a non-quarterback in NFL history.

He got four years, $188 million, $120 fully guaranteed at signing.

Yeah.

And 136 total

guarantee.

188 million total.

Ocho.

Yeah.

Talk to me.

Hold on.

Take your time too.

Now, you want me to start it off?

Hey, well, I can start it off because I listen.

I'm not, you will probably get a little bit more in depth than I will, but I would just this chat.

Y'all stay with me real quick.

This is this is all ego.

This is all ego and pride on Jerry's on Jerry's hands.

Yep.

When he did the deal and he got in front of the camera, he did some as always that he shouldn't have done.

One of the first things he said is this was a good trade.

And two,

we need to be able to stop the run

now you're bringing in kenny clark and again once again put the pressure on kenny clark and your defense and the coaching staff to be able to stop the run because who you play week one hundred who they playing we go to philly they going to philly and what does philly do extremely well outside of throwing the ball running the football

now you done put your team in a blender doing the same thing you always doing.

It's doing all that talking before it's even time to play and you ain't been in nairn meeting room you ain't been on nan on nan feel

oh letting one of the greatest young superstars of all time go and you feel your team has gotten better how does that mean

how does that that's that's cliche talk ojo oh we got better really so if if if you felt that way why were you trying to sign him If you thought you could get better by trading Micah Parsons, why did you even offer him $200 million?

Now, all this time, the last four or four years they were getting run on, I never heard Jerry say a word about running on.

Now, I don't know about y'all, but the thing is,

you want guys to go hunt the quarterback because the Kansas City Chiefs stopped the run.

What did the Eagles do?

They got after my homeboy.

Yeah.

Because that's the guy.

That's the head of the snake.

is your quarterback.

Yeah.

And Al Davis coined this.

He said, he's coined the phrase: the quarterback must go down, and he must go down hard.

And it needs to happen early in the game, and often.

See, Jared, see, again, if you watch the documentary, America's team, the gambler, and the and the

i think the dallas cowboys, it was his ego.

That's what caused him and Jaredico.

So now

he doesn't.

Well, we had a handshake deal.

What?

He can't do that, man.

First of all, you cannot, if a player has representation, the owner nor the general manager can negotiate a deal with the player.

You must talk to his agent.

Jerry knows that.

Michael probably thought, I'm shaking hand.

Hey, man, Jerry, good to see you.

Jerry said, well, you shook my hand.

We got a deal.

It's being reported that Michael said, okay, Jerry, call my agent.

Yeah.

Then, oh, oh, we do the deal.

I've done plenty of these deals.

Well, you shouldn't have.

The NFL should have punished you.

The NFL PA, he told on himself.

Oh, I've done plenty of these.

Well, you have to argue.

You also have to understand the leverage that Jerry Jones has, huh?

If you got an owner like Jerry Jones that says some of the things that he says out loud, that owners are not even supposed to say, maybe,

but you never actually regurgitate it in front of a camera, understand that the whole world is listening and watching.

So you know he don't care nothing about that.

Then we talk talk about the same owner that you told me about

sued the NFL.

Yes.

He had the nerve and the gall and the cojones to sue the NFL and say, I'm going to get everything.

And

if I'm not mistaken, basically won.

He basically won.

He did.

He changed it.

So what is the NFL PA going to do?

What they gonna do?

There's nothing they can do because he doesn't care.

He's in a position of power right now to be able to do what he wants because he just let the world know I tried to handle contract negotiations without Micah Parsons representation.

All he's doing is telling you to his eye, I mean, to everybody's face.

He says he's done plenty of these.

Yeah, two middle fingers up.

What y'all gonna do?

Well, why did you do that with Dak?

Why did you not circumvent Todd France?

Hey, Dak don't play that.

You know how, you know, Dak.

If you don't know Dak personally, you know

and Jerry don't see eye to eye, and he doesn't have that friendly, that that friendly banter relationship with with jerry jones dak is one of the few players that actually kept it strictly business because i already business micah micah micah was like that too micah and jerry didn't have micah micah did not have the same type of relationship that Jerry had with Michael Irving or he had with some of the other players of that come along.

Micah's like,

I'm here to do business.

I'm going to do my job to the best of my God-given ability, but hey, it is a business and I want to keep it moving.

Now, me, and I'm just talking about me, guys.

Uh,

I think once, you know, Jerry started saying all this stuff, you know, we pay him, who's to say that we're going to have him.

Remember, he missed all these games.

He's still calling the man Micah Parsons and not Micah.

Even Steven had to say Micah that, you know, basically Micah.

He's doing it on purpose, huh?

He's doing it on purpose.

I don't know if it was on purpose or not, but I'm just saying, Ocho, I think as Micah as Micah started to listen to what what this man was saying, like

this man don't respect me.

At all.

This man don't respect nothing about me.

At all.

Jerry think, I mean, you own the team, but you don't own me.

And

that's how Jerry thinking.

Jerry thinking, if I pay you, I should tell you, come.

In the old days, they had the muse.

They say G and Ha.

You take get up or you stop.

That's how Jerry's mentality is.

Yeah.

I'm not saying that he don't feel the same way about the other players, but I'm just saying his mentality is if I pay you, you do what I tell you to do.

Yeah.

Nah, bro.

It ain't like that.

And as, and it is reported, I don't know.

Jane Slater said that Michael says, okay, let's get a deal.

Jerry said, nah, you're going to play on the fifth year option or you can leave.

Yeah.

We'll make it happen then.

Yeah, you got the right one.

Because

I'm not playing for 21 or 24.

I'm not.

So whatever you got to do, do what you got to do.

So, what about all?

So, I'm just trying to, all these years, because the Cowboys' weakness over the last since Micah's been there, or before he got there, was the inability to stop the run.

I remember Cleveland Browns ran for 300 yards, Arizona Cardinals ran for 300, the Baltimore Ravens ran for 300.

Pick a team that didn't run.

Jerry ain't mentioned nothing.

So, if you just got better, because I remember when Jerry was there in chat, y'all correct me if I'm wrong, all the time that he was telling you these teams remind him of those Super Bowl winning teams

he just traded a player that was on the team that he said had as much talent if not more than those Super Bowl winning team he just traded him and said he got better

listen Kenny Kenny Clark is good Kenny Clark and good huh he ain't no

slouch he ain't no slouch he's 30 but we talk about micah parsons we talk about micah parsons we talk about a generational generational talent.

I'm going in the draft looking for a Micah Parsons, a TJ Watt, a Miles Garrett.

I'm trying to, those are

transformational players.

Those are the guys that you're trying to get.

I tell you what, tell me the run stopper that's in the Hall of Fame that got a gold jacket.

We were just talking about Leonard Williams.

He's talking about how Aaron Donald changed it.

Where they want guys to get the D tackle to go get double-digit sacks.

That's different.

That's a different answer.

And because they throw the ball so much, they put so much emphasis on the passing game.

I need a guy that can attack the quarterback.

That's what Michael Parsons does.

First of all, Jerry,

you're going to have to, because here's the thing, Ojo.

The way they're constructed this team.

Right.

The Dallas Cowboys, the offense is supposed to get the lead.

The team is supposed to be ahead.

The other team can't run the football.

They throw.

Michael Parsons go hunt the quarterback.

What happens when Dak turns it over, or they don't have this big lead?

So now, because you've structured a constructed a team that you're lighting the britches,

you can't hold up when they boom and they're coming boom and they're coming boom, right?

Like Marshawn said, over and over and over and over, you hit him in the face.

That's what Jerry don't understand.

So

unless you're going to redesign your team,

yeah.

Let me know how you know how that works out for you

but again i would say that the the trade the trade is it's it's it's it's not it's not an even swap in in any way based on skill and talent at the at the positions kenny clark is very good kenny clark is very good he is

he had a down year but he said he had a foot injury last year yeah but micah parsons is a generational talent i don't care what people say they try to hate i don't i don't care what it may be i mean if your eyes if you know the game of football if you watch football you know even for me as being a receiver i understand what he brings to the table regardless of what team he goes to he's a difference maker completely he wrecks havoc oh yeah and

i i

i can't believe jerry did that i can't believe jerry said some of the things he said for it to even get to this point because it didn't

point the more he talked if you paid him last year ahead of time

and tried to copycat with some of the other owners doing around the NFL to continue to build team winning teams then you wouldn't have this issue you wouldn't run into this problem but your ego continues to get in your way and it's been getting in your way the past 30 years

every time he talks oh joe toe pops out because he got the whole foot in his mouth oh yeah so every time he talk i see another toe i said there it is

but i will say this look it look

when you when you get drafted somewhere there's something there's a there's like a sense of loyalty that you know i want you know what i want to be a one jersey guy i want to be one helmet i want to stay here for the rest of my career And I do believe Micah would have preferred to stay there.

Me, okay, the Packers gave him 47 million.

Oh, Joe, but to stay in Dallas, I took 44.

Let me tell you why.

Because what can I do with 44 that I got to have 47?

Because see, and plus, now it's being reported that the podcast caused some problems.

See, the podcast is only valuable when he's a cowboy.

Anybody want to, hey, they want to hear about the Cowboys.

They want to hear about the boys.

They want to hear about Jerry.

They want to hear about Dak.

I'm sorry.

And this is not a shot at no other team, but

there's a reason why.

Yeah, it's different.

It's different.

It is.

It absolutely is.

1,000%.

Anything attached to that star, right?

If you're playing there, you want to take advantage of that window when you are there because it comes with so much.

Yeah, bro.

It comes with so much.

Troy, media.

Romo, media.

Dandy Don Meredith, media, media.

Michael Irvin media.

What other franchise can boast that?

Now, the guys that call the color guy, do you know?

The color guys?

Troy.

Two of the pro format, prominent spots occupied by Cowboys quarterback.

Now, I know a lot of y'all don't remember when Dandy Don Meredith

was on ABC with Howard Coselle.

Yeah.

He was a cowboy.

Michael Irvin was a cowboy.

Moose Johnson,

cowboy.

Moose.

Hey, Swagoo, cowboy.

Yeah.

That's not an accident.

That's not an accident.

And plus, if you, look,

Michael Irvin ain't caught a football.

Michael Irvin make millions.

Emmett make millions.

And ain't none of them caught a football or ran a football in two decades.

Yeah.

Michael retired before me and Emmett retired a year after me.

so

and

jimmy jimmy jimmy just retired yeah so think about that ocho yeah that's not an accident so the money that you were going to be able to make now look it's all

mute now it's a excuse me not mute moot it's a moot point mute means you can't hear moot obsolete anyway with that being said it doesn't matter now but i'm just saying if the opportunity would have had presented itself,

say, okay, we got, hey, we're not going to give you 47 because this really reset the market.

44 would have reset the market.

That's $3 million more than

what TJ Watt got.

So that's an extra $12 million.

They went six.

They went 24.

So I don't have a problem.

It hurt him, Ocho, because anytime

a team trades you, they say, hey,

we good without you.

the the the thought of it

yeah

that's that's that's and i i don't like i don't like this what i this is what i hate i hate when when players get traded players that we know are really good players that play for our team and you know how good the player is and when they get traded then as a fan

start talking oh yeah oh

he wasn't that good anyway like come on yeah come on now like you never said that when he was there but what you're only saying that now okay again and that's your team that's their team, Ocho.

And you look, it's team, because guess what?

Somebody else is going to wear that number 11 one day.

All they see is the star on that helmet.

Players come and go.

They're interchangeable.

They've had great players with the Cowboys all the way back when they came into existence in 1960, when they drafted Bob Lilly and they got Randney White and they got all these guys.

They got a lot of Hall of Famers.

Yeah.

And so that's what they see.

They see it doesn't the name.

Okay.

Yeah, we love Emmy.

We love love Troy.

We love those guys, but guess what?

We got new Cowboys now.

We love them too.

Well, hell, you just let a future Hall of Famer go.

And I know Michael wanted one of those blue coats that, you know, in the ring of fame, where you saw Jimmy and you saw

Emmett and all those guys wearing those blue coats.

We have orange ones.

You know, somebody, I think the Dolphins got that teal color, if I'm not mistaken.

The Patriots got the red, got red coats.

That's not going to happen now.

Think about how long it took him to put Jerry, uh, Jimmy in.

Yeah,

Mike ain't.

I mean, and it probably look, he got enough money.

And the difference was, Ocho, is that Micah's 26.

In three years, he can go back to the table and get another big deal.

Exactly.

Jerry wanted to do five years plus the art plus the fifth year option, which is six

to make

sure

he won't be able to come back and double-dip.

Yep,

yep.

But uh,

Ocho, we had this conversation.

Chat.

Now, it was Green Bay.

Man,

people, they need to stop making up stuff.

Ocho and I, we tried to tell y'all, when these, when these stuff, this stuff keeps leaking out, it's coming from somewhere.

I know y'all don't want to believe that your favorite player or they could potentially trade your favorite player or release your favorite player.

I know you don't want to believe that.

But where do you think this stuff comes from?

So of all the things someone could have said,

Michael Parsons to the Packers was what they went with.

Of all the things they could have said, of all the teams, 32 teams, 53 players per team, plus somewhere between 13 and 16 practice squad guys, of every storyline they could have said,

this is what they went with.

Hey, where there's smoke, there's fire.

Where there is smoke, there's fire.

You know, and the first thing people want to say, well, who's your source?

Don't worry about the source.

Whatever you're hearing

somewhere.

They know how to get it out there.

I don't know how they get it out there, but they get it out there.

This is how they get it out there.

Hey, man, I'm going to tell you something.

Hey, it ain't.

You ain't hearing from me.

You know how you don't.

Hey, put your spin on it.

Okay.

I'm just telling you how it is.

Oh, man.

I love them.

I'm not an insider.

I'm not.

And I don't really try to break no news.

I could.

I could, but

that ain't what I was.

When I was on CBS, that's not what they paid me for.

They had Charlie Cassley for that.

When I was on Fox, that's what they had Jay Glazer for.

I'm with ESPN.

That's what they got Adam Schefter for.

I ain't breaking nothing.

Right.

I'm going to keep my relationship because I have to be very, very careful.

Because people got all over me when I said what I was saying about when Russ, man, well, how you know?

I don't know.

Right.

He ain't in the locker room.

Right.

Okay.

But I'm just saying.

So I just say at that point in time, I say, you know what, Shanna, it ain't even worth it.

It ain't even worth it to you.

I don't know.

I'm just going to speak.

Well, this is what, you know, for me, if I was in the locker room, X, Y, and Z, knowing,

knowing.

But, but, oh Joe, you could tell the more and more Jerry talked.

Oh, he made it worse.

He made it worse.

The more he was like dug in.

He made it worse.

And you know what?

He called Stephen A.

He wanted to get it.

He wanted to get his point out there with Stephen A.

Stephen A.

sitting down with Jerry.

Jerry's like this.

First time we got him under contract for three more years.

Nobody was even.

You and I had that discussion.

I said, oh, he got the fifth-year option and he got two franchise tags.

So theoretically, he could be a jerk about it.

It says, okay, play on the fifth-year option, franchise, franchise.

Okay, go ahead and go.

But I done got seven years of service at you.

But But listen, and Michael was going to be a jerk, too.

You notice, you notice they say he was cleared for his back pains, right?

So you know what he did?

Oh, y'all want to play game?

So we're going to play the game.

I'm going to go get a second opinion.

And I'm going to make sure the second opinion I get, make sure to let y'all know that I can't play.

Right.

He was finna play the game.

So Jerry understood, okay, you know what?

He ain't playing.

He's not finna fold.

He really finna play this game.

So it's better.

Might as well get it.

Third opinion.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So he's.

That second opinion sounded too much like the first opinion.

So let me go get a third opinion.

I need a descending.

I need a descending vote.

You know, three.

You know.

Look,

the Cowboys say they're a better team.

I don't know how you trade your best defensive player.

I believe

he was their best player on either side of the ball.

I don't know how you trade him and get better.

We'll see what they do with the draft compensation.

um

you know you could look at uh uh uh houston and say when they traded to sean they got better they got cj stroud they got nico collins they got uh uh anderson so you know you know i'm saying ocho you could say oh they got better they got all they got some all pros over there they got a a franchise quarterback you got a a hell of a defensive lineman you got a really young great receiver

We did all right, Ocho.

Yeah, we did all right.

Now that's getting better.

That's getting better.

but i want to i want to see what they do with the draft picks but i don't know if if if you can't attack a team's quarterback that's how they're built yeah you were built they get they got undersized offensive linemen except mozzley smith but that's his job hold on so you so you put so in other words you put all the well we didn't stop the run well look at look at my bro you single so you sing it so now because you guys got ran on

You put all that on Micah.

Yeah.

Also, wait a minute.

He said the problem is fixed now, though.

He said the problem is sick.

It's fixed.

We got better.

We got Kenny Carr.

Therefore, I feel we can stop the run now.

So now you don't put the pressure on them boys.

And them boys ain't even play yet.

And they got to play the Eagles week one.

So when things don't turn out

how you said they are, as far as you guys getting better at stopping the run, and you got Saquon Barkley running for 250 yards on you, now you got another problem.

Where Jayla Hurts ordered Uber Eats back there.

Talk about what they got.

I like the Mugu Guy Pan.

I like the General Joe's chicken.

I like the...

Hey, he back.

Y'all got egg rolls?

He be back there smoking a cigar, chilling?

Yeah.

Because Lane Johnson and My Lotta ain't to be played with.

Ain't

nothing by.

Nothing by.

Talk about how we gotten better, not realizing who you play week one.

Do you remember the defensive line?

Do you understand the offensive line?

You're getting ready to play week one?

Are Are you sure?

Are you sure you've gotten better?

Hey, and you got the commanders.

So we're gonna find out.

I, you know, look, a lot of times, Ocho, you know, hey, we all have it.

We all have it.

We make up our minds of something.

I don't care.

It might be the best thing for us, but sometimes we'll cut our nose off despite our face.

I'm gonna show you.

I'm gonna show you.

You think I can't?

You think I can't live without you?

You think I can't be without you?

I'm I'm going to show you.

Sometimes we can't get out of our own way, Ocho.

Yeah.

And then when you realize

the gravity of the mistake that you've made, it's too late.

It's too late.

We've all been there.

Chad, we've all been there.

We've all, A, you know.

I can, there's plenty of fish in the sea, but as my grandmother told my aunt, you might not catch them.

And Jerry,

Jerry Jones had plenty to say about the biggest reason for not signing Micah Parsons because the Cowboys needed to stop the run.

He also said we can win more without Micah than when had we signed him.

So if that's the case, why were you trying to sign him?

Why was it such a big deal, this handshake deal?

Why were you trying to get him to sign this contract?

See, Ocho, if he had never offered Micah a contract, I could agree with everything that he said.

Yes.

Jerry also had a comeback for a reporter asking how players can get a contract extension.

Ocho, take a listen to what Jerry had to say about that.

Right,

Jerry and Micah at 12 plus sacks, and each last four years, very productive.

For other Cowboys players coming up the line, they see how this negotiation with Micah went.

How would you answer their question?

Well, gee, what do I have to do to get an extension if Micah can't get one?

Ask Dak

Highest paid man in the NFL.

But guess what, Ocho?

Yes, sir.

Did you do this deal with Dak or did you work with Todd France?

Work with Todd France.

That's all I want to know.

That's all I want to know.

And then I'm going to go ask Dak.

Jerry Jones, did you work with Dak?

Did you have a handshake deal with Dak Prescott or did you work with his representation?

Representation.

You know Dak don't play that.

Okay.

You know Dak don't play that.

Absolutely not.

First of all, they couldn't agree on the years.

Yeah,

they couldn't agree on the years.

So that was an issue to start with.

That was an issue to start with.

At the time, it was perfect.

Free Bay gave him four years.

Jerry wanted five.

Because the more years you got, Ocho, you could spread the money out.

So you can kick the can.

Michael said, y'all don't kick the can for three years, then y'all have to come see me.

Because guess what?

The numbers are going to be so big and they're not any more guaranteed money.

It's the same thing with Miles Garrett.

Remember Miles Garrett said, well, I don't know if I can win here because he didn't have no more guaranteed guaranteed money on those final two years.

So he's like, Man, I don't know.

You know, I don't know if the direction.

They said, well, $140 million is going in the right direction.

That's the direction I'm heading in.

Oh, Joe.

I'm headed to the bank.

He, hey, he, Miles.

Miles understood the business.

He understood the business aspect.

Not having any money guaranteed left.

Okay.

I got to shake it up now.

Yeah.

I got to shake it up.

I got to shake it up now.

Yep.

And he's the best player.

He's going to be, he's probably going to be, I don't know where they are right now.

They listen to top 100, but he's probably going to be a top, he's going to be a top 10.

Might even be top five.

Absolutely.

So

he had the leverage.

You can't let Miles Garrett go.

Although there have been a lot of teams, you know, I thought if Detroit, Detroit had to get him.

Detroit would have had to mortgage everything, and I don't have a problem with that.

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