Nightcap Hour 2: Unc & Ocho react to Tyreek NO LONGER a captain & Arch escaping the Shedeur treatment!

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Speaker 14 Oh, Joe. What's up?

Speaker 14 Tom Brady said the quarterback position isn't as mentally developed as it was when he entered the league.

Speaker 14 I don't believe the quarterback position is as mentally developed as it was when I entered the league 25 years ago. There was a a premium on understanding defenses, on understanding matchups,

Speaker 14 on, I'd say, pre-snaps, reads, getting your team in and out of the right play. I felt the way to learn was to play the position over a period of time.

Speaker 14 You truly give your team the best chance to win to be a field general. I think you better have a mental advantage on the field.
And I think sometimes there's more important than physical advantage.

Speaker 14 Ocho, do you agree with him?

Speaker 21 Hey, do me a favor. Uncle you said a whole lot right there that Brady said.
Break it, break it. Listen, break it down to me

Speaker 21 in our language.

Speaker 14 He says

Speaker 14 there was a premium on understanding defenses. You had to understand what the defense was trying to do.
So now you go out there and you're looking.

Speaker 14 You're not just looking at your guy like, man, this quarters.

Speaker 14 Oh, this is covered. This he got help over here.
So you needed to understand a pre-snap. You're looking at the alignment.
You're looking at that triangle.

Speaker 14 Okay, I see what y'all trying to do. So he said, you guys need to have a pre-snap.
You need to have an understanding of what's about to happen. Make sure you get your guys.
Okay.

Speaker 14 Do not run a play into a safety that you can't block. Okay.
That's a negative play. So you just gave up or down for whatever reason.
Flip it. Right.
I like that. Audible out of it.

Speaker 21 But listen, Tom Brady speaking from a standpoint of being number 12. a standpoint of having the having the power and the ability to be able to change plays.

Speaker 21 Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, it's a few other quarterbacks that I can name.

Speaker 21 When they came to the line of scrimmage, no matter how much disguising you did, no matter how much bluffing you did based on down and distance, they already know from watching film, they know what the hell you're doing.

Speaker 21 They know what the hell you're doing. They know exactly where each play is going to be.
Yes. Snap of the ball.
Even if you wait, even if you wait late.

Speaker 21 And wait till he snap the ball and he still sees moving in front of him because once they snap, they looking right downfield.

Speaker 21 Okay, if you if you was down in the box and and you shoot back out, okay, this is what they he already know what's coming.

Speaker 21 And he knows every play you run, chat, every offensive play you run, especially when it's a pass play, there's always somebody open. There's always somewhere to go with the ball.

Speaker 21 And it's all about being able to process information on what you see in front of you and knowing where to go with it very fast. Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees were the best at it.

Speaker 14 They were the best at it.

Speaker 14 Sometimes

Speaker 14 you got to look at what those guys put in.

Speaker 14 Because a lot of times, guys, so see, a lot of times, guys, now there's more important things than football. Football was the most important thing to Tom Brady.

Speaker 14 It was the most important thing to Peyton Manning. So there was no life outside of that.
During the season, the most important thing was football. They didn't play video game.

Speaker 14 It wasn't no Call of Duty. It wasn't no Madden.
It wasn't no doing all this. They got all the commercials done in the offseason.

Speaker 14 So everything that was focused was centered around how can I become the best football player I possibly can. The question you ask yourself: is that what these quarterbacks today are doing?

Speaker 21 Yeah. And also,

Speaker 21 you have to give some of the quarterbacks today. Also, you have to give them a little grace.

Speaker 21 You have to give them a little grace because they're starting the game so young, they don't have the freedom to do some of the things that Tom Brady's mentioning. That takes time to develop.

Speaker 21 They even get to that point where you can recognize everything you're seeing. And

Speaker 21 just trust you. Peyton Manning was the coach.

Speaker 14 Yeah.

Speaker 21 Brady was the coach.

Speaker 14 But they know they put so much time in, though, Ocho.

Speaker 21 Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're right.
You're right. So listen, quarterbacks right now, they can't come up to the line of scrimmage and see something and be like, you know what? This ain't going to work.

Speaker 21 We can't run that play. Sometimes I've watched NFL games.
Wait a minute. The defense shifted.
The defense of the line shifted to the right. Change it.

Speaker 21 Right running power or stretch to the right, right into the teeth of the defense. Right.

Speaker 21 I think some quarterbacks don't have the freedom to be able to do that because their officer coordinators don't trust them just yet because they're young.

Speaker 14 No, you got to earn that. The only guy that had that kind of freedom early on was Peyton Manning.
Yeah.

Speaker 14 They turned the keys over to Peyton. Brady didn't even have that kind of leeway early in his career.
He earned that trust. Drew earned that trust.
Rogers earned that trust. You have to earn that.

Speaker 14 And that doesn't happen overnight. It doesn't.
Patrick Mahomes had to earn Andy's trust in order to be able to be able to

Speaker 14 audible in and out of plays, change a play, you know, things of that nature.

Speaker 14 It's different now. Oh, Joe, I came in the league, the quarterbacks called their own plays.
It wasn't looking at the wrist. They called their plays.
John Elway called his plays.

Speaker 21 Serious? Yes.

Speaker 14 He called a game.

Speaker 21 Damn.

Speaker 14 Yes.

Speaker 21 Wait, no officer coordinator talking into.

Speaker 14 He might say what you like here.

Speaker 21 Okay.

Speaker 14 Hey. Yes.
Quarterbacks, the old court, the old guard, though, those guys, I came to the league. Quarterbacks were calling

Speaker 14 some of the quarterbacks, not all. Some of the quarterbacks were calling their own play.
Yeah, he's like,

Speaker 14 yeah, now you gotta get out of my ear.

Speaker 14 Get out of my ear. But

Speaker 14 it takes a lot. You have to put a lot of timing in.

Speaker 14 And everybody, but like you said, you're talking about Brady. running practice.

Speaker 14 He's running walkthroughs. He's running 707.
He's running, you know, two minutes. He's running no huddle.
Tom is doing those things.

Speaker 14 If you want a quarterback to have, you got to let him do it.

Speaker 14 You got to let him do it.

Speaker 21 I got to tell this story. I don't know if I'm going to get in trouble or not.
I'm not sure if I'm allowed to share this. I don't even care.
I don't even care, chat.

Speaker 21 I'm going to tell you about why the New England Patriots were so goddamn good.

Speaker 21 Everybody in the chat, I know you saw the beginning of Full Metal Jacket with the sergeant going off, cursing, and just,

Speaker 21 he was on one in the beginning of the movie, Full Metal Jacket.

Speaker 21 One day in practice,

Speaker 21 Bill O'Brien, obviously, the officer coordinator called in the plays. We're in practice, and Bill radios in the play in Tom's ear.
I'm in the huddle. I'm assuming maybe Tom didn't get it.

Speaker 21 So Tom's sitting there with his head down,

Speaker 21 and he does one of these.

Speaker 14 Give me the play.

Speaker 21 Give me the play again.

Speaker 21 And Bill must have said it again. He didn't hear it because the thing, the communication must have been off.

Speaker 21 And Tom looked back.

Speaker 21 Give me the goddamn play.

Speaker 21 Bill, I gave you the fucking play already. I said it two fucking times.

Speaker 21 Well, I didn't fucking get it. What the fuck you want me to do?

Speaker 21 Jesus Christ, we in the middle of practice.

Speaker 21 We're in the middle of practice. And at that moment, I understood this is why.

Speaker 21 This is why the smallest things, that period we were doing where that one play, that one play didn't work and it didn't go right, we started the whole fucking period over.

Speaker 14 Yeah.

Speaker 21 We started the whole period over so we can get all the plays in succession and get it the right way.

Speaker 14 Yep. I'm like, what, what?

Speaker 14 Yeah.

Speaker 21 Bill over there

Speaker 21 with the whistle on his finger. twirling back and forth.
Yeah.

Speaker 14 I'm like, man, what?

Speaker 21 What are they running over here? No, it was unbelievable.

Speaker 21 There's so many stories. I can share that one.
Some of the other ones is

Speaker 21 a little too graphic.

Speaker 14 Dog. We, bro, we would go practices.

Speaker 14 The ball wouldn't touch the ground.

Speaker 14 Mike would come out there and say, I don't expect the ball to touch the ground.

Speaker 14 For real?

Speaker 14 Ball don't touch the ground.

Speaker 21 Right, right, right.

Speaker 14 Boy, look here.

Speaker 14 People, people, man, look here. If y'all look, like I said, them 90s Broncos, you understand.

Speaker 14 Like, I understand why the Cowboys won in the 90s. I understand why

Speaker 14 the 49ers won in the 80s and the Steelers won.

Speaker 14 Because there's a level in which you practice that. Yes.
Not that you get it right.

Speaker 14 You practice so you couldn't get it wrong.

Speaker 21 That's a good one. That's exactly how that's how we were.

Speaker 14 And it was, you're so afraid to let the man next to you down. And he's so afraid to let you down.

Speaker 14 I'm not going to be the one to drop this ball. No, that ain't going to happen to me.

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Speaker 14 Man, Ocho, bro, look here.

Speaker 14 Look,

Speaker 14 I've never really been around Tom like in a game. We played him.
I played him twice. We played him

Speaker 14 in 2000, with my first year back in Denver. We beat him, and then they came, and Tom threw a touchdown pass with like 20 seconds to go in the ball game to beat us.

Speaker 14 But being around him him and listening at him talk now

Speaker 14 you understand why he's how he is yeah

Speaker 14 you understand it you understand you understand it absolutely he's an animal

Speaker 21 in film

Speaker 21 in practice once he's outside that building completely different person yes i can relax now

Speaker 14 different person it got to the point where

Speaker 21 a few times i've always i've always told people

Speaker 21 seeing tom brady seeing peyton manning seeing him in front of a camera hearing them talk it does no justice because they have to put on a fur a certain facade they have to mask who they truly are the fun side the authentic tom brady and peyton manning so nobody really knows who they are unless you know them personally yes some of the greatest some of the greatest funniest dudes ever And the fact that they have to remain a certain way once that camera is rolling,

Speaker 21 it's unfair. It's unfair to the world in general because you never get to see the real them.
Everything you see is that political robot that says all the right things

Speaker 21 that patriot way. But outside of that, dog, Tom, you talk about funny.

Speaker 14 Dog. I used to hate OJo.
You know what I hate? If somebody mess up, everybody get punished.

Speaker 14 Punish him.

Speaker 14 That's bad, OJ. Don't laugh, man.

Speaker 14 Because, man, you out there running. I mean, somebody jump off sides or somebody do something and we all gotta run because

Speaker 14 their thought process was if it happens in the game he's not the only one that's gonna get punished we get punished as a unit you yeah right right hold on that might be happening but i'm on the side ocho if the offense with dan reeves if the offense jumped offside even if you ain't in the game you had to run

Speaker 21 Wait, even if you're not in the game.

Speaker 14 Yes, if you're not even in practice, the offense had to run. Right, right.

Speaker 14 Oh, Lord.

Speaker 21 Hey, listen. Hey, Dan, like one band, one sound, baby.
Yes, one band, one sound.

Speaker 14 Every time you jump offside, Ocho, you had to, you had to run a lap. Lap was around both football fields.
So it's like that's 400 yards.

Speaker 14 Man, why I had to run three one day, Ocho.

Speaker 21 Three,

Speaker 21 somebody jumped off sides.

Speaker 14 No, me,

Speaker 14 me,

Speaker 14 man,

Speaker 14 Lord, have mercy.

Speaker 14 Dan, hey, boy, Dan, Dan was old, old school. You heard how people talk about Coach Landry and how those old school coaches was.
That's where Dan.

Speaker 14 Dan was the offensive coordinator for the Dallas Cowboys under Coach Landry. So he brought Coach Landry style.

Speaker 14 If you see Dan back when he first started coaching, he got a hat on, he got a shirt and tie, he got a suit on, just like Coach Landry. Now, he never really folded his arms like Coach Landry, right?

Speaker 14 Because Dan called the plays.

Speaker 14 Coach Landry turned some of the play clawing over. That was it.
I think people said that was some of the thing between him and Roger Starback because he didn't really want to let the reins go.

Speaker 14 But, oh, man, yeah.

Speaker 14 But I showed, I was like, damn.

Speaker 14 I don't know what it was, Ocho. But you know, you get tired, Ocho, you be thinking, I was like, damn, is it one? Was it on one? It was on two.

Speaker 21 But the ball, the ball right down your inside of your.

Speaker 14 Man, I ain't looking at that old ball, man. I'm looking up.

Speaker 14 Damn that ball.

Speaker 21 One thing about it, boy. Hey,

Speaker 21 I never forget my coach, Coach Bud, Miami Lakes Optimus, 1988. Fatigue will make a fool of us all.

Speaker 14 Yeah, it absolutely will.

Speaker 14 It absolutely will. But I remember that, man.
All the running.

Speaker 14 And then, like, we have guys like the guys that make weight in training camp. They have to run 110s after practice.
So we've been out there for two hours, Ocho.

Speaker 14 And, you know, you might have to run 10, you might have to run 12. Man, you know,

Speaker 14 I run with the guys.

Speaker 14 You know, especially if one of the guys is in my group, one of the tight ends. Right, right, right.
Or we have to run, we have to run after practice. So we might have to run 10, 12, 110s.

Speaker 14 I'm coasting.

Speaker 14 I'm cruising. They're like, pick it up what? For what?

Speaker 14 As long as I'm making.

Speaker 21 So y'all was, y'all team was different. When my team, obviously not me, but when we were overweight, you know, it cost money a pound.

Speaker 14 You still had to pay, but you had to run to get up.

Speaker 21 You got to pay, you got to pay, and you got to run.

Speaker 14 Yeah, yeah, you got to get up off you somehow, man.

Speaker 21 Please,

Speaker 14 I ain't never had no problem with no weight.

Speaker 14 I ain't never had, you know, but I always, I always set my weight because I wanted something to fight for.

Speaker 14 You know, as I started to get older, uh, Mike would say, 84, you know, you sure you want to come in with this? I mean, you can come in a couple of pounds.

Speaker 14 I was like, nope, I want to come in this right here because I'm going to come in and then, you know i'll come in at 232 230 ish um by the time the first game start i'm gonna be at 228.

Speaker 14 by the time the season end i'll be at 225.

Speaker 14 already i already know got it time got it planned down to the t tick tick tick tick tick just like this know what i'm going to eat i know when i'm going to eat i know how much i'm going to eat i know how much protein carbohydrates fats

Speaker 14 i know all of that um

Speaker 14 but i i just think that you know that's just to discipline what it takes ocho to to be the best yeah because that's what we that's what I was trying to be. I was trying to be the best.

Speaker 14 I don't know what somebody else was doing. All I can do is me versus me.

Speaker 14 I'm going to get everything I can out of this God-given talent.

Speaker 14 And then, hey, what he didn't give me, I can't complain, but he did give me discipline and heart and work ethic to get the most out of what I can do.

Speaker 14 Ocho, what do you think the most difficult position is for a rookie?

Speaker 14 Defensive position.

Speaker 21 Oh, defensive back.

Speaker 14 Yeah.

Speaker 21 Defensive back.

Speaker 14 Oh,

Speaker 21 absolutely. Coming in, coming in, coming in from college, the speed of the game has changed.

Speaker 21 The players you got to go then, the players you got to go against are a little bit more polished than what you saw in college. Everybody's fast.
Everybody's fast now.

Speaker 21 You know, so really understanding who's in front of you.

Speaker 21 Making sure you discipline your eyes, your text.

Speaker 14 I discipline.

Speaker 21 Everything matters now. Once you get to that next level,

Speaker 21 I mean, listen, you coordinators can hide you sometimes. You know, put the safety over top of you.

Speaker 21 I mean, man, listen, man. DB, the most difficult.

Speaker 14 Well, hey, not when you got one-on-one and you ain't got no DB over the top of you.

Speaker 14 Because did y'all, I'm assuming y'all did. Hold on, I'm trying to think.

Speaker 14 Did y'all do one-on-ones every day or y'all just did one-on-ones on Thursday?

Speaker 21 Probably Wednesday and Thursday. Yeah.
Yeah, because you know Wednesday, Wednesday were obviously open field day. Yeah.
Thursday is red zone. So we'll do red zone one-on-ones on Thursdays.

Speaker 21 Friday, Friday is a combination of both. You know, practice only an hour on Fridays.

Speaker 14 Oh, yeah. That was,

Speaker 14 yeah, it was,

Speaker 14 it's funny that I think about like, man, but that was the, I really truly felt

Speaker 14 that at practice is when I was getting better.

Speaker 14 Ocho, if I could be the guy that sees me every day, have seen me every day for years. Yeah.
What chance that guy got in the game?

Speaker 21 On Sunday, and none at all.

Speaker 14 Zero.

Speaker 21 None at all.

Speaker 14 Bro, I don't even see you.

Speaker 14 Just so you know, I don't even see you. All that you're talking, okay?

Speaker 14 Got something for you.

Speaker 14 But that man, I just,

Speaker 14 but you just understand people

Speaker 14 get to where they need to go doing different things, Ocho. Yeah.
I was,

Speaker 14 it was the end-all-be-all. Some, oh, Joe, I had teammates.
They had to go out

Speaker 14 Wednesday night, Thursday night, Friday night. They got to.
Right.

Speaker 14 They got to.

Speaker 14 They missing something. Something might happen and I ain't there to see it.

Speaker 14 Like, bro, how?

Speaker 14 How?

Speaker 14 Man, I got to get, man, I got to get me. Like, I'm in the bed.
Oh, you're in the bed at 10. Yeah.

Speaker 14 Hell, I was old way before my time.

Speaker 14 Hell, I was in my 20s. I was in my 20s to go to bed

Speaker 14 at 10.

Speaker 21 Yeah. Yeah,

Speaker 21 we're in the same boat in a sense, but you, you were here and I was out here.

Speaker 21 You was like, I mean,

Speaker 21 oh, man.

Speaker 14 It's the same way when I was in college. Oh, Joe, when I was in college, I was a teenager.
Oh, yo, I'll go to bed at 10.30. Sleep.
Out.

Speaker 21 Yeah.

Speaker 14 Out.

Speaker 14 Man, boy, I just

Speaker 14 come in there and cut that light on.

Speaker 21 Yeah, I understood early in college, at Lanx University, at Santa Monica, going out costs. It costs money.

Speaker 21 And I ain't spending no money. So it was easy.
It was easy for me not to go anywhere. And not going anywhere, gaming, my money, my money I had to have to spend, it was spent on buying games.

Speaker 21 That was it. That's where my money went.

Speaker 14 I mean,

Speaker 14 I didn't really watch no football games, Ocho. I would only watch a football game,

Speaker 14 a Monday night game, Ocho, if we weren't going to play that team during the season.

Speaker 14 If we're going to play that team during the season, I ain't watching it.

Speaker 21 No, nope.

Speaker 14 Because I didn't want to have a false sense. Because if they look bad, I didn't want to think, oh, we're going to run through them.

Speaker 14 Or if they look good, I'm like, damn, we got our work cut out.

Speaker 21 I got you.

Speaker 14 But

Speaker 14 I've always been a guy that got in the,

Speaker 14 like I said, in college, I'm 10 o'clock.

Speaker 14 And don't be running out of there. Because, you know,

Speaker 14 I was just reading something, a kid, I think, 11-year-old kid in Houston just got shot again, Ocho, playing that knock, knock, ding, ding thing.

Speaker 21 Playing on people's porch?

Speaker 14 Yeah. Dig, ding, dong, ditch.

Speaker 21 Yeah, man.

Speaker 14 Man, Ocho. Guys in college, Ocho.
Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

Speaker 21 Beat on your door. Knock on your dorm room, though, and

Speaker 21 I'm one.

Speaker 21 That was me. And listen, you talk about Ding Dong Ditch.

Speaker 21 My condolences to the young bull that lost his life in Houston doing that. But I was doing that too back in the city.
I never forget Scott Projects. Scott Projects, me and Snoop Minis.

Speaker 21 I don't know if you remember Marvin Minister.

Speaker 14 Yeah, I heard of him. I don't know him.

Speaker 21 Man, we was little kids, man, and Scott Projects. Man, Knock, knock, knock, taking off.

Speaker 21 I remember them days. Oh, there's some good days.

Speaker 14 That was like

Speaker 14 my rook, my freshman year.

Speaker 14 When I got to be a sophomore,

Speaker 14 and I was the BMOC. Right.

Speaker 14 Don't do that.

Speaker 21 What BMOC stand for?

Speaker 14 Big man on campus.

Speaker 21 Okay, okay, okay. Oh, yeah.
You with that boy, huh?

Speaker 14 Okay. Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah. My side for my sophomore, yeah.
And definitely my junior and senior year.

Speaker 21 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 14 You with that man. Man, y'all know how sharp is, man.
Yeah.

Speaker 14 But,

Speaker 14 nah, nah, nah, Ocho. I'm just, I just, but I needed my rest.
I done, I done did. Look, I done practiced my ass off.
Coach Davis don't have us out there for two, two and a half hours.

Speaker 14 I done gone to the study hall, did my homework. I'm out.
Oh, you're I got to get up at seven in the morning.

Speaker 14 I got class at eight, so I got to get up, shower, put my clothes on, go to the cafeteria, eat breakfast.

Speaker 21 Time out, time out. You schedule your classes for early in the morning?

Speaker 14 Oh, yeah. Boy, look here.

Speaker 14 Bill Davis say, look here, you ain't on no academic scholarship. You own a football scholarship.

Speaker 14 Boy, you couldn't have no class. You couldn't have no class.
The latest, you could have a class. We had practice at, we had practice at three.
The latest, the absolute latest. Right.

Speaker 14 Bill didn't want, Coach Davis didn't want you to have a class after noon. My class was 8, 8 to 9, 9 to 10, 10 to 11, 11 to 12.

Speaker 14 I go eat, 30 minutes to eat, eat, then I go get me go get me an hour and a half nap, get up, walk the practice. We had to walk to practice.
We couldn't drive to practice.

Speaker 14 I had to walk to practice, which is like maybe a half a mile.

Speaker 14 Practice for two, two and a half hours, go to the cafeteria, eat, go shower, go do my homework, 10 o'clock, 10.30, lights out.

Speaker 21 You better than me. I wasn't there.
I get up early, but I ain't getting up to go to no class.

Speaker 14 The only problem that Coach Davis, look, Coach Davis, i love coach davis today the only time the only time he and i budded heads

Speaker 14 5 a.m workouts

Speaker 14 that's the only time that's the only time i've ever told a coach coach i ain't gonna do it

Speaker 21 5 a.m

Speaker 14 i'm not gonna do it But it's not the middle.

Speaker 21 That's not the military. That's like, that's like army.
That's like, you know.

Speaker 21 Nah,

Speaker 21 they tripping.

Speaker 14 Man, you know, you had the all-season workouts, Ocho, five o'clock.

Speaker 14 Me getting up early, Ocho, it just like ruined my day. I feel like I'm sluggish the rest of the day.

Speaker 21 Did you have to get up early?

Speaker 14 Yeah, man.

Speaker 14 I hated it.

Speaker 14 And plus, I had had to get up

Speaker 14 my senior year

Speaker 14 before I went to Savannah State, Ocho. We had,

Speaker 14 we did construction, we did landscaping, and I had to work in Savannah. Now, I lived in Glenville, which is 65 miles away.
We got to be on the job at 6 a.m.

Speaker 14 So the guy picking me up at 4.30,

Speaker 32 I said, nah, man.

Speaker 14 I ain't doing that.

Speaker 14 I said, Coach, I can't do it, Coach.

Speaker 14 I said, Coach, I can't do it. I said, Coach, I can't do it.
There's a guy, he said, Day, I'm home. He'd say, you the leader.
I said, well, coach, I'm going to have to lead from the bed.

Speaker 14 I'm gonna have to leave from my dorm room.

Speaker 14 And he didn't bother me because he know I know what I was there for.

Speaker 14 I was very specific when he came to recruit me at Savannah State. Right, he came to my house to sign me that morning.

Speaker 14 When I said a coach, I called him and said, Coach, I want to sign with Savannah State. He said, I'm gonna put some clothes on.
I'm coming right now. I said, No, Coach, you can come in the morning.

Speaker 14 I was very intentional about what I wanted. Right, I can't do that.

Speaker 14 I can't do that.

Speaker 14 Yeah.

Speaker 14 What I can do is what I can do. Tom Brady says Aaron Rodgers is the most talented quarterback in NFL history.

Speaker 14 Aaron, in his prime, to me, is the greatest passer of the football the league has ever seen. He could get the ball from point A to point B faster and more accurate than any player in NFL history.

Speaker 14 You agree? Absolutely.

Speaker 21 And, you know, if anything, you might want to throw Brett Favin there, too.

Speaker 14 I don't think Brett was a great thrower of the football. When I think of great throwers of the football, I'm looking at a guy like Aaron Rodgers.
I'm looking at a guy like Dan Marino.

Speaker 14 Danny.

Speaker 21 Wait, you don't put, whoa, whoa, whoa, you don't put Brett in that conversation?

Speaker 14 Not a great thrower of the football, no.

Speaker 21 But I understand what he's saying when he's talking about Aaron Rodgers, though.

Speaker 14 The arm, the slots, the angles in which he can throw the ball from the platform.

Speaker 21 Every last one. From up here all the way down to the sidearm.

Speaker 21 It didn't didn't matter. And he was accurate as hell.

Speaker 14 Yes.

Speaker 21 Accurate as hell. But then, obviously, and especially Aaron Rodgers' mechanics, his footwork, that's not teaching.
You don't teach that. You cannot.

Speaker 14 You would never that.

Speaker 21 He throwing off one foot, he throwing, going back because he has arm strength to do it. He has arm strength to be able to get away with some of the stuff that he does.

Speaker 21 Anything Aaron Rodgers likes when it comes to playing a quarterback position, you can teach it because he's the only one that can get away with it because he has the arm.

Speaker 14 But I still, to me,

Speaker 14 the greatest NFL season by a quarterback is Dan's season in 84.

Speaker 21 Yeah, but the Dolphins.

Speaker 14 Yeah.

Speaker 14 He threw for 48 touchdowns, 5,000 yards. In that era, when you could knock hell out of the quarterback, you could knock hell out of the receivers,

Speaker 14 and he did that,

Speaker 14 that's still the greatest for, that's... That is Joe Burrow's season his last year at LSU.

Speaker 14 That's what that would be the equivalent of. You got to go.
And look, like I said,

Speaker 14 back then, the defenses could punish the quarterback. I'm talking about annihilate them.
There wasn't no, well, you know, you hit him in the back, you hit him in his knee, you hit him below the waist.

Speaker 14 And

Speaker 14 that was the greatest season. But

Speaker 14 I won't argue with Tom on this one.

Speaker 14 Aaron Rodgers, the way he could, the platforms, the arm slots that which he could throw the ball from, and the accuracy in which he can throw from any angle on the field.

Speaker 14 he's like, none of them,

Speaker 14 he's gifted. He was gifted.

Speaker 21 And the funny thing about it, a lot of people, a lot of people say, oh, Aaron Rodgers is trash. Like,

Speaker 21 if you've watched the game of football, when Aaron was in his prime at Green Breaker, with Donald Driver,

Speaker 21 Jordy Nelson, Devontae Adams.

Speaker 21 Man.

Speaker 21 Oh,

Speaker 14 he had Greg Jennings.

Speaker 21 Greg Jennings.

Speaker 14 James Johnson.

Speaker 21 Yes, but he could sling it, boy.

Speaker 14 Uh-huh.

Speaker 21 He could slang it.

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Speaker 21 Damn, just thinking about that.

Speaker 14 CD Lamb denounced rumors that Michael Parsons was considered both egotistical and self-centered. That's my dog.
He knows it. I expressed to him just about every week I could.
So he knows.

Speaker 14 So I feel like he knows where we stand as far as the brotherhood, friendship, and all that. So obviously wishing him the best.
Hope he has the best season ever.

Speaker 14 Trayvon Diggs felt everyone in Dallas currently locker room liked Micah, and he indicated that the fuel for those rumors likely came from former Cowboys.

Speaker 14 He didn't name names, but it's pretty clear Diggs was referring to DeMarcus Lawrence. I think everyone liked him.
I feel there were some former players who are not here no more who didn't like Micah.

Speaker 14 And there's a lot of that, I would say, hate, jealousy, envy towards him because of who he is and the production that he does on the field.

Speaker 14 Imagine if you could come here and you're talking like somebody shine or taking somebody's spot. You're not going to like that.

Speaker 14 They're going to feel some type of way, especially you're that type of person.

Speaker 14 The greater the person, listen,

Speaker 14 because sometimes I think people,

Speaker 14 the greater the athlete

Speaker 14 the greater the individual

Speaker 14 the bigger the ego

Speaker 14 quarterbacks have the biggest ego they do the best job of hiding it

Speaker 14 the greater the person the greater the player the more accomplished the person is

Speaker 14 so So are we saying that Beyonce and Taylor Swift ain't got no ego? Are we saying Drake, Michael Jackson, Whitney, and Mariah ain't have no ego? Are we saying, are we saying Elon Musk and

Speaker 14 whomever got no ego? So we're saying Tom Brady, Peyton Manning,

Speaker 14 Lawrence Taylor, Jim Brown ain't have no ego.

Speaker 21 They all do.

Speaker 14 The greater the person, the more accomplished the person.

Speaker 21 Or successful.

Speaker 14 Yeah, all of them. Man,

Speaker 14 what we doing here?

Speaker 14 Everybody's not going to be liked. and that's okay

Speaker 14 what you do what you do when you get on the field bro as long as you ain't a jerk not long as you're not doing you know doing anything that's gonna that's gonna harm the locker room or call a fraction in the locker room bro i don't care nothing about that bro yeah yeah

Speaker 14 first of all i ain't going i ain't going to your house like that anyway

Speaker 14 so what you do i don't care you leave look This is my locker right here, Ocho. This is my locker right here.
Long as you don't F with nothing in my locker i don't give damn what you do

Speaker 14 i ain't messing with nothing in your locker you got a job to do i got a job to do yeah and that's man how you do

Speaker 14 we don't have to be friends

Speaker 21 we can be friendly yeah two different things ocho i mean this is a locker room huh you got 53 people you got 53 people everybody's not gonna get along yeah

Speaker 21 Everybody's not going to get along. You're going to have egos.

Speaker 21 You're going to have people with pride.

Speaker 21 to have jealousy, you know.

Speaker 21 And it's just, it's always, it's always been a part of sports. It's always been a part of locker rooms.
It's always been a part of teens in general. You're not going to like everybody.

Speaker 14 Nope.

Speaker 21 You're not there. This is not a liking contest.
You're there for one job.

Speaker 14 Do your job.

Speaker 14 I like it. I like you more if you do your job good.

Speaker 14 I like you even more.

Speaker 14 But

Speaker 14 look, I look, I don't, you know,

Speaker 14 clearly CD

Speaker 14 and Diggs has a fondness to

Speaker 14 with Micah. I've been around him a little bit.
I don't have no problem with Micah. Never had a problem with him.
He's a funny, funny dude.

Speaker 21 That's why

Speaker 21 hearing anything come up about Ego,

Speaker 21 especially when it comes to him,

Speaker 21 he's a funny guy. He's young, you know?

Speaker 21 It's weird. It's funny how everything comes out when someone actually leaves.

Speaker 14 We knew that was going to happen.

Speaker 21 Funny how that works.

Speaker 14 You ever notice

Speaker 14 the guy was a, oh, he was a problem on the job. 15 for 20 years.
Ain't nobody say nothing. The moment somebody leaves.
Yeah, yeah, he was a problem.

Speaker 21 Yeah, he was probably the best one on the job, too.

Speaker 14 Yes.

Speaker 21 Let's add that.

Speaker 14 The Miami Dolphins announced their captains for the 2025 season, Monday, but there is one glaring omission.

Speaker 14 For the first time since joining the team in 2022, Tyreek Hill was not voted a captain by his teammates.

Speaker 14 Reek himself suggested this offseason that he likely would not be a captain this year due to his actions at the end of the 2024 regular season when he removed himself from a game from the finale and hinted after the game that he wanted to play elsewhere.

Speaker 14 Mike McDonnell had a very revealing quote. I'm really excited about the whole voting process in general this year.
The team was much more unified and the focus was on those six guys was very clear.

Speaker 14 Those were resounding vote getters. We were focused on giving the keys to captaincy to guys that had earned it each and every day.

Speaker 14 That speaks to me the most is football team that knows who it wants to be led by.

Speaker 21 Yeah, that's cute.

Speaker 21 That's cute. It's commendable.
You know, having your peers on your team, vote you as a, you know, vote you as a captain.

Speaker 14 Yeah. Nope.
You know, honestly. That'd be nice, man.
I wanted a captaincy on my jersey.

Speaker 21 That's cool. But honestly, for me, my dolphins, my dolphins, and those of you in the chat, I'm from Liberty City, born in Jackson Memorial Hospital,

Speaker 21 off 12th Avenue. What I care about is: is my Dolphins playing well in the postseason? Is my Dolphins playing well when they play against teams that are above 500?

Speaker 21 Is my Dolphins playing well when the weather is below 50 degrees? I don't care who's carrying that C on that goddamn chest.

Speaker 21 I just want us to be able to execute offensively and defensively when it matters matters most.

Speaker 21 That's it.

Speaker 21 That's it.

Speaker 14 I mean,

Speaker 14 look, there's no way

Speaker 14 it'd have been a joke if he did what he did and he turns around the following year and he's a captain. It couldn't have that.
They weren't going to let that happen, no joke.

Speaker 14 Even if he got, even if he got 52 votes, he wasn't going to be no captain. They wasn't letting that happen, no joke.

Speaker 14 You know that. I know that.
We know how it worked. We know

Speaker 14 who they want to be, Captain. Come on, okay, Okay.
Okay. Okay.

Speaker 21 We're on the same page.

Speaker 14 We're here. We're here.

Speaker 14 Yeah.

Speaker 14 But look, look,

Speaker 14 I think Reek learned a valuable lesson. I think if he had to do it all over again, he definitely would do it a different way.
He's going through some stuff right now.

Speaker 14 Reek, my heart goes, I tell you, because I think you're a phenomenal player. I absolutely do.
And I know that's a lot on your mind. Anybody, you know, being there,

Speaker 14 it's going to be, hey, don't, don't work, bro.

Speaker 14 It's easy to say, tell somebody not to worry about something when they're not going through it. But when you're going through it.

Speaker 14 So,

Speaker 14 I mean,

Speaker 14 it's tough. Because, like, you do things and like you, you in an Ocho, you're like, and the minute you do it, you're like, damn.

Speaker 14 But I don't, I don't, I mean, Reed was in a great situation. Yeah.
He went to Miami. That's where he wanted to go.
I mean, they could have traded him someplace else. They asked him.

Speaker 14 I mean, think, Ocho, think about this, Ocho. They ask you, where do you want to go? You want to go to the Jets? You want to go to the Dolphins?

Speaker 21 Yeah.

Speaker 14 They put him where he wanted to be.

Speaker 14 And I get it.

Speaker 14 When you had the season come off, he led the league and receiving.

Speaker 14 Hey, remember last year, Ocho, he was the number one player voted by his peers in the top 100.

Speaker 21 Yeah.

Speaker 14 Your quarterback gets nicked. You're not the same reek.
People like you lost. No, he didn't lose it.
He didn't lose nothing.

Speaker 14 It's just that, you know, his quarterback got hurt.

Speaker 14 He's dependent on a quarterback that's injury prone. The guy's been injury prone since college.
He limped into the NFL. He probably gonna limp out of it.

Speaker 14 He had a lot of injuries when

Speaker 14 he was at Alabama, Ocho. You know, he had the tightrope surge on his ankle.
He had the dislocated hip. He had the injury, the pinky.
He had an injury history. Yeah, and guess what?

Speaker 14 He's had a concussion. Oh, I don't know if you want to say concussions or injury, but he's had a history since he's been with the Dolphins.
And Tyreek's future is tied. His success,

Speaker 14 his production is tied to a guy that's injury prone.

Speaker 14 Yeah, it's kind of like, oh, Joe,

Speaker 14 you

Speaker 14 relying on somebody that's unreliable to get you to work.

Speaker 14 man.

Speaker 14 It's tough. It's tough.

Speaker 14 And then he didn't, he didn't make it no better

Speaker 14 because he could have just went in there and says, I'm happy to be in Miami. It's great, great weather, great team.
But every chance he gets he tried to take a shot at Mahomes.

Speaker 14 Oh, Tua is more this than Mahomes. Oh, this is that.
And this is, bro, you don't need to do that.

Speaker 14 Nobody, you're not, even though you play with both, you're not going to convince anybody that Tua is a better quarterback than Mahomes. You're not.

Speaker 14 So why you try to do that? I believe you could, oh Joe, I believe you can prop one guy up without trying to put another guy down.

Speaker 14 Yeah.

Speaker 21 Well, in that situation, that's not putting a guy down because you can't put Mahomes down, especially in that comparison. when it comes to the quarterback position.

Speaker 14 But

Speaker 21 I think Rick has a lot to prove this year, especially coming up of last year. Obviously, them not voting him a captain.
Boom, that's another one. Okay, y'all ain't want to vote me a captain?

Speaker 21 Okay, hold my beard. Watch this.

Speaker 21 Watch this.

Speaker 21 Ain't he finna go slap? He finna go off.

Speaker 14 I hope so.

Speaker 21 He go slap off.

Speaker 14 Because, I mean, you know, he's a special talent.

Speaker 14 There are not very many guys that's been played in the history of the game that had his God-given ability that can take a route, that can take any route on the field. And

Speaker 14 he's a legitimate threat to hit his head on the goalpost. Now we say that, oh, you give him a five.
No, no, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 14 There have only been a handful of guys that can literally take any type of route that you give them

Speaker 14 and you can strike up the band. Yeah.
Every time. And you see the, you see, hey, you see the,

Speaker 14 he's doing that, the band player. Yeah.

Speaker 14 And Rick has that accountability. He just needs to get back to that.
And hopefully he can focus.

Speaker 14 I think being on the field, it allows you to like, tunnel visual visual with Joe. Yeah.

Speaker 14 It allows you to lock, you lock in. You got to compartmentalize.

Speaker 14 That's what the really good ones are great at it.

Speaker 21 That's the one place. Doesn't matter what's going on in life.
You know, once I get to that stadium, once I get to that grass,

Speaker 21 it's different. Everything else is left outside.

Speaker 14 No.

Speaker 14 No, I didn't. No, somebody said you put

Speaker 14 Tua down to put Tyreek up. No.
I just said he's not Mahomes. He's a good quarterback.
He's not Mahomes. And Tyreek's

Speaker 14 production is tied to a guy that's injury prone.

Speaker 14 Did I lie? How many concussions has he had? How many times did he get injured at the University of Alabama? I'm just giving you facts. I ain't say he wasn't a, he a bad player, he a terrible player.

Speaker 14 That's not what I said. I said, Tyreek's production is tied to a quarterback that's injury prone.
That's factual.

Speaker 14 That ain't no, that ain't that ain't no, you know, stretching the truth. That's not a lie.
That is just factually correct. Yeah.

Speaker 14 And maybe Tyreek wouldn't have 17, 1800 yards because he got Kelsey and he got other guys. But if you go back and look at it, look at his production.

Speaker 14 It's 1,300, it's 1,400, it's 1,500, it's 1,300, it's 1,400. It didn't have, though, it didn't have 1,800 and then 900.
Right.

Speaker 14 You know what I'm saying? That's what I'm saying, Ocho.

Speaker 14 Hey, I mean, you don't want to have no 1,600 one year, then 1,000. 1,200 one year, then 800.
Nah, you want to be consistent. Hey, let me be somewhere that consistently.
Let me be 11 to 12, 1,300.

Speaker 14 I can live with that. Now, one year, if I won't have, you know, have one of your bust out years, I get me two or three 200-yard gains.

Speaker 14 I'll be on to something.

Speaker 14 But nah, I just think the thing is, and like, you know, you're emotional. Things didn't go your way.
You're like, damn, I want to get 100 yards.

Speaker 14 I want to continue my thousand, my thousand, you know, yard season, oh, Joe. That's going to come to an end.
Damn, we're going to miss the playoff. That's going to come to an end.
Yeah.

Speaker 14 And he just got fussed. He got frustrated and it bubbled up.
That's all. It bubbled up.
Made a mistake. He probably,

Speaker 14 and he said it.

Speaker 14 You know, I should have handled that differently. Wish I'd have handled it differently.
And, And, you know, lesson learned.

Speaker 14 And

Speaker 14 I believe he learned his lesson. I do.

Speaker 21 Yeah, absolutely. You're going to bounce back.

Speaker 14 Yeah.

Speaker 14 But, and I think McDonald says, you know, let's not focus on who didn't make it as captain. Let's talk about the guys that did make it as captain.
They're deserving. They're the captains.

Speaker 14 That's who they want the lead. Bradley Chubb.
It's time for Chubb to come out there and, you know, play like the Chubb, like they gave up the draft picks to get him from Denver.

Speaker 14 It's time for him to play. It's time for him to show.

Speaker 14 Because it looks like, oh, they kind of taking this thing apart. They let, you know, Kalais Campbell go.
They let Jalen Ramsey go.

Speaker 14 They let some of the, you know, they let Christian Wilkins go a few years ago. So it seems like, you know, the going for it, going for it, going for it, now they're like,

Speaker 21 they're getting younger and younger, huh?

Speaker 21 Getting younger and younger.

Speaker 14 Yeah.

Speaker 14 So we'll see how it works out for your Dolphins this year. Shadur Sanders

Speaker 14 seems to be the talk of college football after Arch Manning's disappointing debut.

Speaker 14 Fans are calling out the double standard for Arch Manning's pro debut, Pope Poor debut versus Ohio State being excused while Shadur wouldn't have gotten the same grace at Colorado.

Speaker 14 Why don't y'all call out Arch Manning, Nepo Baby, like y'all did, Shadur and Bronnie?

Speaker 14 Ocho, it's Arch Manning getting a free pass from the media just because of his last name, while Shadur would have been torn apart for the same performance. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 21 I mean, obviously, I mean, that's the way it's always been. That's the way it's always been.
I think watching Dan Orlofsky, Dan made some

Speaker 21 good excuses up there, you know, for

Speaker 21 Arch and the way Arch played. And

Speaker 21 obviously,

Speaker 21 it's just the makeup. The makeup of the media makeup is the DNA and the way they treat certain quarterbacks, depending on who it is.
And they give them grace.

Speaker 21 They give him grace all the time. And this happens all the time.

Speaker 14 It does.

Speaker 21 And some people will turn a blind eye to it and say, oh, that's not true. They'll come up with some damn conspiracy theory when it's like right there.
It's right there in your face. Right.

Speaker 21 In your face. What are you talking about? Yes, they're going to continue to make excuses for him.

Speaker 21 If he has another bad game, I think obviously now they, I think now that they played Ohio State, some of the games leading forward, going forward will be a little bit more easier. And

Speaker 14 boom,

Speaker 21 they're going to be right back to talking good about him. And we told you he was a generational talent.

Speaker 21 They're going to go right back into it. But I mean,

Speaker 21 that's neither here nor there. I think he's going to continue to get better.
Obviously, opening up a season with a team like that

Speaker 21 is for someone that's been under the helm, been under center for two or three years consistently, as opposed to this, your first year starting against Ohio State?

Speaker 21 And please.

Speaker 14 Well, but here's the thing, Ocho.

Speaker 14 Those are the kind of throws. That's who I want to see him make those throws against.
Yeah. So what the hell you think, so what the hell you think the NFL is?

Speaker 21 Yeah. Every week, same thing.

Speaker 14 Just think about it, Ocho. If you go out there and you play a good, a good inferior talent, but when the talent is on your level or better and you lay eggs, what does that say about you?

Speaker 14 Look, it's a one-time thing. It can be a one-time thing, but we can point out the fact that he didn't play well.
Yeah.

Speaker 14 Because

Speaker 14 he might go on and come back and he might win the Heisman, but two things can, you know, two things can be true.

Speaker 14 He cannot have played well against Ohio State and still play well enough the rest of the season to win the Heisman or win the SEC or whatever the case may be. Two things can be true.

Speaker 14 When Shadur played, I said, Ocho, look,

Speaker 14 it still bothers me that he bails too much it still bothers me that he holds onto the ball it still bothers me we can give credit he made some big time throws ocho yeah i love the dagger throw i love the throw where he threaded the needle he led the the seven route for the first touchdown i love the over routes that he throwed we see a lot of those from brock purdy yeah i say but but Ocho still holds onto the ball too long.

Speaker 21 Too long.

Speaker 14 Man,

Speaker 14 I thought you were supposed to be Coach Prime boy. Why? Because my my job is to critique and analyze.
Two things can be true.

Speaker 14 I can be Time's boy and still critique his son and say there are some things that are concerning for me. Yeah.

Speaker 14 That's how the job works.

Speaker 14 You give credit when due, and then when someone you see something, you're like, okay, yeah, he played well. But there's some things that

Speaker 14 let's go ahead and correct these now before they bite you at the most inopportune of times. See, people don't want you to like,

Speaker 14 if,

Speaker 14 oh, that's your boy. No.

Speaker 14 Oh, oh, time your boy. You kill it and I know.

Speaker 14 That was a poor game on Saturday. Yeah.
I mean, was that Friday that they played? That was Friday that Georgia Tech played, right?

Speaker 14 Friday.

Speaker 14 I said it as soon as we got on. I said, oh, Cho, what was that about? A minute and seven seconds, you got two timeouts.
You throw one pass behind the line of screaming. The guy tackles you.

Speaker 14 You don't take a timeout? Yeah.

Speaker 14 I said that. Oh, oh, oh, your boy.
Oh, you killing your boy now. I remember last year, he could do no wrong.

Speaker 14 No, when he does right, you point out the right, but when he does wrong, you point out the wrong. That's what you do.

Speaker 21 Yeah, you're fair.

Speaker 14 And time will tell you.

Speaker 14 And, like he has so many times, one thing you're gonna, you won't know, you're gonna call it now.

Speaker 14 And he said, I expect that. I'm your boy.
You call it your boy, so you better call it over to everybody else. And he's absolutely right.

Speaker 14 Do you think Arch would ever fall to the fifth round?

Speaker 14 But do away with the draft.

Speaker 14 Man, stop it.

Speaker 14 Who y'all fool? Who y'all trying to kid?

Speaker 21 Man, stop playing.

Speaker 14 That ain't happening. That ain't happening.

Speaker 14 But I can see a scenario he comes back. Cousin Manning's normally, normally four years.
Now, obviously, that's not Peyton. That's not Eli.
But, you know, they're normally very scripted,

Speaker 14 very methodical about how they're going to do things, Ocho. Very strategic.

Speaker 14 And plus, Ocho, his family is not in dire need of anything. Right.

Speaker 14 A lot of times, these families, you know, it's like, bro,

Speaker 14 mom in the projects.

Speaker 14 Grandma over here, ain't no food in the refrigerator. The house leaking.
Come on, bro.

Speaker 21 Had to get out of here.

Speaker 14 Yeah.

Speaker 14 And I understand.

Speaker 14 I totally understand.

Speaker 14 Bro.

Speaker 14 I think my brother told

Speaker 14 the story. I think he said it on my podcast because he thought about coming out as a junior.

Speaker 14 And

Speaker 14 they asked him why he didn't come out.

Speaker 14 He said, we have been poor for 22 years.

Speaker 14 Eight more months won't go hurt nothing.

Speaker 21 That's a good one.

Speaker 14 He was right.

Speaker 14 Hey, I have been going to the woods, Ocho, for 19 years use the bathroom huh yes yes sir i had dipped the bucket down in the well

Speaker 14 pull it up poured in something take it to the house i had been running the holes that inside the house and put in the tin tub let the sun heat it up take me a bath in the backyard couldn't nobody see what up but woods summer was bad because them skeeters tear you up ocho i mean think about it oh you're you got to take the rage

Speaker 14 try to put you a shield around hair up take you a quick bath, cut them skeeters, boy, they like they had swords.

Speaker 14 Bam.

Speaker 14 No.

Speaker 14 But I understand. I understand.
Art's job is to get better. He went to Texas because of the success that Sark has with working with quarterbacks.

Speaker 14 He could have gone anywhere, but he chose Texas for a reason.

Speaker 14 And it's not by accident.

Speaker 14 So could I see a scenario where he stays another year? Yes.

Speaker 14 And we got to, look, he didn't beat Euras out for the job.

Speaker 14 Ewers were the seventh round pick?

Speaker 14 What round did Euras get drafted in? Sixth to seventh?

Speaker 21 Right, he went to the Dolphins. I forgot what round he went, though.
Seventh.

Speaker 14 He went seventh. Oh, no.

Speaker 14 But I think, hold on.

Speaker 14 I think Derek Carr was the first overall pick, and he couldn't beat Billy Bollick out. See if Billy Bollick went to Fresno State.

Speaker 14 V-O-L-E-K. I think that's Bollick.

Speaker 21 Derek Carr.

Speaker 14 He played with the Tennessee Titans.

Speaker 14 Yeah.

Speaker 14 I know. Didn't he go to Fresno State?

Speaker 14 Didn't Derek Carr come behind him?

Speaker 14 I don't think Derek Carr beat him out.

Speaker 14 So

Speaker 14 it's not.

Speaker 14 I mean, Joe Burrow transferred, became the number one pick.

Speaker 14 Jamison Williams transferred. Become a number one pick.
Joe Burrow was the number one pick in the entire draft.

Speaker 14 Couldn't get no shine at Ohio State. Look at that sink in, Ocho.
Yeah, you're right. You're right.
So

Speaker 14 this notion, well, he didn't do that.

Speaker 14 Things happen.

Speaker 14 So you're saying Joe Burrow's not any good because he couldn't beat.

Speaker 14 I forget the guy. What was it? I think it was the guy that passed away, Ocho.

Speaker 14 The black guy that got hit.

Speaker 21 Dwayne Haskins.

Speaker 14 Yes, yes.

Speaker 14 Things happen. Yeah.
OJo, Vegas has Lamar Jackson at the back. He's back on top for the MVP odds.
The reigning MVP, Josh Allen, and Joe Burrow are hairs beneath him at plus 600.

Speaker 14 Patrick Mahomes rounding out the top four at plus 650.

Speaker 14 Is this the year? Lamar puts it all together, wins MVP and

Speaker 14 a Super Bowl.

Speaker 21 I mean, it could be the year. It could be the year.

Speaker 21 If it was going to happen,

Speaker 21 this is the funny thing um when it comes about when it comes to not just lamar jackson but josh allen

Speaker 21 and all those other quarterbacks in the afc it's always going to be the same the same same four it's going to be the same four same four now what lamar jackson do we get in the playoffs

Speaker 21 what lamar jackson do we get in the playoffs that's all that matters because we know what he's going to do in the regular season yes we're going to put up crazy numbers yes gonna rush for crazy numbers but what Lamar Jackson, whatever Lamar Jackson we get in the postseason, that will be if those odds in Vegas come true.

Speaker 21 That's all it come down to.

Speaker 14 And that's all I've said. I said, I want to see the Lamar Jackson that's won the MVP or finish second.
We have yet to see that guy for the totality of the playoffs. We've seen it for a game, Ocho.

Speaker 14 But we need to see it for the totality because we saw it last year. They didn't turn the ball over.

Speaker 14 He didn't turn the ball over for like eight, nine games right and then he had two big turnovers and that was you know some of that's undoing like look and i get it such a hold on to the ball uh uh zay flowers fumbled on the one but he did give the he did give uh uh

Speaker 14 the chiefs a short field he got stripped in the pocket

Speaker 14 i just need lamar to be lamar in the postseason that he was in the regular season. I don't need anything else.
I don't need to be, I don't need anything else, Ocho.

Speaker 14 I don't need him to be anything other

Speaker 14 than what he's shown us for the 17 for the 17 games in the regular season if he's that

Speaker 14 if he's that player can't nobody beat the ravens nobody

Speaker 21 nah

Speaker 14 well i don't know about nobody ocho the man threw 41 touchdowns with four picks hold on hold on now

Speaker 14 don't jump on me don't jump on me

Speaker 21 This is a new season. With everything you just named, it's what he did last year.
Now, I'm not saying he can't repeat it, but there's a team he has to deal with in the AFC North.

Speaker 14 They own y'all. Come again, they own y'all.
Lamar Jackson owned the Cincinnati Bingles.

Speaker 21 Let me do something. Is the Ravens that's your team, huh? Oh, or your supposed to be team that you spent two weeks at?

Speaker 21 Two years. Okay, two, two years, two weeks.
It's all the same.

Speaker 21 You want to bet something on that game?

Speaker 14 Oh, Joe, it's kind of hard for you to borrow money when you owe money.

Speaker 21 Huh?

Speaker 21 Oh, you know, hey, listen, I'm good for it. Like, when I go to the city.

Speaker 14 No, you ain't good for it.

Speaker 21 Hey, when I go to the casino, they just hand, they just give me what I want because they understand. Oh, Ocho, you here? Oh, we know you.
We know we're going to take care of you. What you need.

Speaker 21 No. What's your money line?

Speaker 14 I will file a butcher column on you.

Speaker 14 I'll press charges on you.

Speaker 21 I ain't do nothing. How you going to press charges?

Speaker 14 You owe me $5,900 and you won't pay.

Speaker 21 Hold on, hold on, hold on.

Speaker 21 is it written on paper?

Speaker 14 They heard it. Oh, yeah, they got it.
We got it on paper.

Speaker 21 Where is it?

Speaker 21 I didn't sign nothing.

Speaker 14 I'm you ain't got to sign it. We got it.
We got a verbal contract. You bet me.

Speaker 21 A verbal contract. Yeah, Michael Parsons and Jerry Jones had a verbal contract, too.

Speaker 14 We got this. I showed a tape.
What is it? Your honor, here it is right here. This is

Speaker 14 oh, yo, I bet you.

Speaker 14 All right, guys, it's time for our final segment of the evening. It's time for Q and A.

Speaker 14 And I can't wait till they get in the third, right?

Speaker 14 Dr. Frankie L.
Bellamy. Hey, fam.

Speaker 14 When I was watching Debo and Joe today, all I could do was look at Debo's arms and think, Lord, he's going to kill my poor cousin, Ocho, greatest addition to Shay Shea Media.

Speaker 21 He's going to kill who?

Speaker 14 Ocho.

Speaker 21 I don't think she understands. Someone that size with that much muscle they can't move

Speaker 21 they gonna get they they can't they can't move we we we get so enamored at size and big and strength and you know lifting all that heavy weight that don't mean nothing that don't mean nothing i'm gonna take james harrison nose and i'm gonna turn it upside down so we can smell his forehead like i'm not playing with him man this this like it's it's like it's getting serious at this point and in february that's when it's going it's february this is going down going down going down.

Speaker 21 Yeah,

Speaker 21 chat. Make sure all y'all be there, too.

Speaker 14 Rob J said, Coach Belichick is going to be all right. Takes time to learn the system.

Speaker 14 Frustrated fans, this game should have been called the Poorly Dressed Head Coaches Bowl.

Speaker 14 Man, y'all know what y'all gonna get with Coach Belichick. Man, y'all know Coach Belichick gonna be wearing some

Speaker 14 bull jobs.

Speaker 21 Every time with no sleeves.

Speaker 14 Chris Baller said, You can be the greatest head coach in the world, but if you don't have the players that can execute at a high level, you're not going to be very good. Plain and simple.

Speaker 14 Chris, that is very, very true.

Speaker 14 MSQ said, If you put all the best current college football players, no matter their graduating class, on one team, could they beat the current worst NFL team? No,

Speaker 14 I'm

Speaker 14 hype headed to UT because he's a manning quarterback with mobility unlike his uncles.

Speaker 14 Not saying that he's be like his uncle, but hope he balls out since the first rogue game was against the defending champs. Yeah.

Speaker 14 Trey Tyner says, Ocho, I heard you call Fam U the best HBCU other than you might have forgot North Carolina A ⁇ T University, Aggie Pride.

Speaker 21 Listen, I love North Carolina A ⁇ T. I've been there a few times.
I've been there with the football team, the coaches. Uh, obviously, the band is as well.
My daughter had a track meet out there.

Speaker 21 I forgot the name of that soul food place. I got in trouble too.
Um, I took all the football players to the soul food place and treated them to eat.

Speaker 21 It sits right in the plaza in the corner, it was really good. But the greatest HBCU of all time, you know, often imitated, never duplicated.

Speaker 21 Savannah State is the lustrious

Speaker 14 Florida AM Marching 100, the blue and orange, Savannah State, the SSU Tigers. Who?

Speaker 14 The SSU Tigers.

Speaker 21 Oh, I thought when you say SSU, I thought you was talking about like the Navy and like a ship. Nah.

Speaker 14 I would not be a doctor. I tell you the reasons why.
I've been a tiger for all my life. I'm going to be a tiger till I die.

Speaker 14 It's so hard. It's so hard to be a tiger.

Speaker 14 It's so hard. It's so hard to be an SSU

Speaker 14 tiger.

Speaker 14 Don't play with us, Ocho. We bought that.
We damn. All right.

Speaker 21 Sound good.

Speaker 14 The Reform Try Hard said, how big is coaching for you in football? It's very big.

Speaker 14 Just from the outside looking in, Bamboo was posting videos like they on Soul Trade before the game, and we saw what happened. That never happened when the man was there a few years ago.

Speaker 14 Absolutely not.

Speaker 21 The man ain't there.

Speaker 21 Yeah, he had all the players, too. Yes.
That's the difference. He had all the players.
Again, we talked about a a great coach, but a great coach has great players.

Speaker 21 It's easy to be able to execute, which is why Alabama looked like the Alabama we're used to seeing. They don't look like that now because all the players are going in different places.

Speaker 14 You think about it, Ocho.

Speaker 14 I mean, he's had 52 first-round draft picks.

Speaker 14 First round.

Speaker 14 Orlando Pinon. If Jerry Jones doesn't bring it up Cowsboys, you still think the Cowboys go back to back? That'd have been very, very interesting.

Speaker 14 As a matter of fact, Michael Irvin and I was talking about that. Emin and I, we have that discussion a lot too.

Speaker 14 They were loaded, man. They were good.
They were really good. We had to be on our best behavior.
Our absolute best behavior.

Speaker 14 Absolutely. But Jerry Ego wasn't going to let that happen.

Speaker 21 Got in the way.

Speaker 21 Still getting in the way.

Speaker 14 Yeah.

Speaker 14 Deshaun Allen said, what's up, Uncle Nocho? My My question is, which position has the most players in the Hall of Fame?

Speaker 14 If I had to guess, probably quarterbacks.

Speaker 21 I was just going to say quarterback, probably. Probably.
I could be wrong.

Speaker 14 I mean, of starting positions, probably tight ends has the fewest.

Speaker 14 We're not counting special like punters and kickers and things like that, Ocho, returners. Right.
But

Speaker 14 what it says?

Speaker 14 Safeties?

Speaker 14 They got the fewest?

Speaker 14 The lost? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 14 Because you got centers, guards, and tackles.

Speaker 14 And all that were considered an offensive line. Scoop Banks say, shout out to my birthday twins, January 9th, 1990.
We go into Tootsie's.

Speaker 14 What's how you spell it?

Speaker 21 Yeah.

Speaker 21 Unc, you want to go with us?

Speaker 14 Nah, man. Oh, Joe, I got to be on my best behavior.
Oh, Joe. I'm sorry.
Unfortunately.

Speaker 21 Listen, listen, listen, Uncle, whoa, whoa. We can't do that.
We can't. What we can't do is we can't go into the shell.
We are all human. We all make mistakes.

Speaker 21 You learn from your mistakes, but you still have to live your life. You have to enjoy yourself.

Speaker 21 Hey, we on the other side of the mountain.

Speaker 14 Never forget. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 21 We're on the other side of the mountain. Okay, so we still have to live.

Speaker 14 You could, you could.

Speaker 14 I think I got about nine. I got about eight.
I got about eight, nine more months, Ocho. Okay, okay.

Speaker 14 I'm on probation.

Speaker 14 I got a probationary period. Yeah, yeah, eight, nine more months.

Speaker 21 You got your little ankle monitoring right now.

Speaker 14 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They got me.
They got me.

Speaker 14 September, October, November, December, January, February, March, April, May.

Speaker 14 Yeah, probably by birthday. Probably by my birthday.
I should have been, you know, sitting pretty. Yeah.
Yeah, it is.

Speaker 21 There it is. Okay.

Speaker 14 Yeah, I'll be sitting pretty.

Speaker 16 All right.

Speaker 14 Thank you guys for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. We want to thank PrizePicks.
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Speaker 14 Thank you so much for believing in Ocho and I. We really, really appreciate your support.
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Thank you. Couldn't do it without you.
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Ocho and I, we're going to have some fun.

Speaker 14 Thank you for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. Y'all know who I am.
I'm your favorite uncle Shannon Sharp.

Speaker 14 That is my partner and co-host, Liberty City is home, Madden's ratings adjuster, bingles ring of fame honoree, the former Pro Bowler all-pro. He's Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson.

Speaker 14 Want to thank our very, very special guest, Hall of Fame running back, TCU alum, great Ladanian Tomlinson. Thank you, LT, for joining us, man.
LT, he's a great guy.

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Speaker 14 So they're going to talk about, I'm sure they're going to talk about this game. This happened tonight.

Speaker 14 TCU in North Carolina. TCU 48.
North Carolina 14. Coach Belichick's college debut does not get up to the start that he had hoped for.
I am up.

Speaker 14 He's Ocho. We will see.
We're off the next two days. We're off tomorrow and Wednesday.
We'll see you. Thursday night.

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