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bros how y'all doing listen before unknow man i appreciate you joining us man i don't get to see you often and now that i have a chance to see i got to tell you man it was a pleasure it was a pleasure playing on the same field with you it was a pleasure watching you and and and i get the chance to tell you brother i love you man and i salute you for all you've accomplished man though it's it's i'm just it's for me it's an honor it's it's an honor for real

Thank you, O Cho.

I appreciate that, brother.

We classmates.

You know, we came in together.

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Whoo,

man,

thought we're going to have a good game because it started out good for UFC.

They got the ball go right down the field.

I said, okay.

I said, Coach, better check might have got him a stinker.

But come to find out, all he did, he just pooped on the field.

That's the only stank out there.

Because, boy, they stunk it up tonight.

48 to 14, the hornfrogs travel on the road, go down to Chapel Hill.

Whoo, Chapel Bill.

They need to pray for it because they're going to go get real ugly.

It's going to get ugly before it gets better, Ocho

LT.

But

48 to 14,

TCU really had their way with them.

Over 500 yards of total offense.

They did a great job.

They threw the ball well.

They ran the ball exceptionally well.

And North Carolina, look, I understand it's Coach Belichick's first year there, but you see the talent, the discrepancy.

Now, I'm not saying TCU is Ohio State.

I'm not saying that.

I'm not saying they're LSU or one of those programs,

they have more talent than the Tar Heels.

LT, watch this game.

I know you had a vested interest in this game.

You're a great alum of TCU.

What did you like about what you saw from your ball club?

Well, to your point, your point, Unc, we have a veteran team, man.

You know, we have guys that have played a lot of football.

And, you know, when you have a veteran team, guys that have...

you know, been in some tough games, have weathered the storm, you're supposed to win a game like this versus a team, you know, in UNC who has brought in a lot of transfers.

It's a lot of turnover.

They still don't know what they have yet.

So I'm just keeping it honest.

We were supposed to win this game.

But what I like from my team, like typically, we can throw the ball all over the yard.

But lately, we have had a trouble.

We had a little trouble running the football to close out games.

And you guys know, as an RB, we got to be able to run the football.

So that's what I love the most tonight is when we had to run the ball in the second half, man, we dominated.

We controlled a lot of scrimmage.

We had like three or four running backs in there running the football.

And I think that bows well for us in the Big 12.

You took the ball the first player of the drive, the first play

of the drive in the second half, and you go 75 yards.

The guy goes 75 yards untouched.

So it was a harbinger of things to come.

Oh, Joe, you watched this ball game.

There was a lot of fanfare.

Everybody's talking about Coach Belichick.

We know what he's accomplished at the NFL level.

They started going through all his accolades, the six Super Bowl wins, the nine Super Bowl appearances, the 17, 18 division titles, and yada, yada, yada.

But now he's coaching players.

And I think

to a certain point, all coaches have patience.

But I think you have to show even more patience now, even though some of these guys are getting paid.

It's not like an NFL roster where every single guy is getting paid.

But watching this game, Ocho, what did you, is there anything, is there anything you can take positive from what you saw from North Carolina?

I mean, the only thing I can take positive from North Carolina is the head coach of Bill Belichick.

That's the only positive thing I can take.

You're playing a TCU team.

Obviously, you can see the discrepancy in the level of talent at each position.

And one thing that Bill Belichick always harped on, he always harped on is turnovers.

You can't turn the ball over.

You can't make mistakes.

Here's one thing.

Do your job and

everything else will take care of itself.

Now, I'm not sure North Carolina schedule.

I'm not sure the team they have coming forward.

But when when it comes to a team that's evenly matched, you know, from skill, from skill set to skill set, whether it be defensively or offensively, we will get to see a better outcome from

Bill and that coaching staff.

Coaches can only do so much, huh?

Yeah.

LT, coaches can only do so much.

At some point, you have to go out there and execute.

And it's a team game.

but it's 11 individuals on the field and you got to win your job.

You got to win your individual battle.

And then the outcome of team comes into play.

They were they were they were they weren't out coached, but they were outclassed because the level of talent that TCU had tonight, obviously.

I think they looked a little.

I think they looked,

yeah.

I was gonna say, I think they looked a little better when the backup quarterback came in, Max Johnson.

They looked a little bit better, he threw the ball a little bit better, they had a little bit better rhythm to their offense.

And if you guys know, that's Brad Johnson,

so you know he has the pedigree in order to play the position.

So, maybe they make that turn to this young young man who is obviously has played a lot of football.

He's been to LSU, Texas AM, so he's played a lot of football.

I agree.

I have a question,

I have a question for Corey.

Will they really make a move already from the starting quarterback after just one game, or do they give him another chance?

Will they make it?

But will Bill make a move that fast?

The way he looked.

Yeah,

he really didn't look good.

And the question is, how close was the quarterback battle?

Because it said, I mean, they said he won the battle.

So how close was it?

Was it a runaway or was it a last second decision?

But I agree with you, LT, because this young man has played at the top.

He was the starting quarterback in the SEC.

He was starting quarterback at LSU.

He was a starting quarterback at Texas A ⁇ M.

And for him, I'm surprised that he didn't win the job outright.

I think we need to give Mr.

Lopez a little credit, but he didn't look good tonight.

Now, okay, it's one game.

One game is not going to determine, but it's not going to, you can't have a lot.

Oh, Joe, you only got 10, 11 games.

I can't wait till five games in to say, okay, I'm going to pull the plug.

No, it's a lot,

you get a lot quicker hooked in college than you do in the NFL because you have 17 weeks as opposed to like 11 weeks.

But look,

they're not good.

To make a long story, short guys, we talk about, oh, if they have a short leash, a long leash, they're not good.

LT, you mentioned it.

When you get 70 trained, you got 70 new guys you got 30 freshmen come on man what what do we expect

what do we expect this is and you playing the acc

you playing the ac you see how miami look yeah miami look yes last night man yes oh no you got you got clemson and you got clemson in that division and that in that excuse me in that conference so north carolina uh the tar heels are going to have to be on their best behavior now i'm not saying look wake forest we'll see what wake forest has and nc state and there are a couple of other teams the dukes but right now carolina needs a lot i mean i was what i was most disappointed in was their defense because that's where coach belichek that's where his son steve belichick they cut their teeth they're normally hey when you come home i already knew where my grandfather hat was supposed to go so when he took it off and handed it to me ocho i wouldn't put it right on the hat right because i know where it was supposed to be

The car heel is supposed to be able to hang the hat on what, Ocho?

Defense.

Yeah.

You got the greatest defense of mine and his son hold on hold on honk lt listen you got you got the greatest defense of mind right when he was with the patriots he was the greatest defensive mind but he also had the tools out there on the field to be able to execute everything he everything he he brought to his mind yes but now you're at the collegiate level you you might have still need horses to run

hey listen that the

they didn't stop

and you got to have the talent there you have to have the talent

you got to

You can't have a beautiful mind with a 10 cent finish.

Right.

They didn't stop nothing.

LT,

Ojo, you guys remember we used to be in the game and some of the defense, watch the run, watch the pass.

Yeah, but you can't stop either one of them.

So it don't matter what we do.

You're right.

We're going to do one or the other, but you can't stop either one.

That was the tar heels tonight.

They couldn't stop anything.

Guy had one carry, 28 yards, 11 carries a buck 13 with a 75 yard a touchdown seven carries for 28 yards i mean 35 for 258.

i'm like bro are y'all gonna um talk about the receiver the receiver had what 10 catches for 11 for 100 something yards

yes sir

yes sir

they didn't stop nothing nothing so to your point like they gotta hang they had on something like that's that's bill belichick's mo you know to be able to take something away and tonight they didn't have the horses to be able to take anything.

Yeah,

and in horse racing, look, a good friend of mine, Bob Baffert, he trained two Triple Crown winners, American Pharaoh and Justify.

But at the end of the day, yeah, that plays a role, but he had the Pharaoh breds to run.

So whether you're Westerso, D.

Wayne Lucas, you'll McGay Heat, Bob Baffert, it does not matter.

If you do not have horses to run, you cannot win significant races.

In football, look, and I don't take anything away from Andy Reed and all these great coaches, but you got to have players.

At the end of the day, it is the gems and the Joes.

It ain't no X's and O's because you can have all the minds you want to.

It's the Jims and the Joes that's going to determine how good those X's and O's actually are.

Every time.

Every time.

But

not a great start.

to Coach Belichick's college career, college coaching career.

They lose at home 48 to 14.

And outside of that opening drive, drive, that game really wasn't close.

And

they took a knee in a goal-to-go situation, or they could have had a

family, a party style nugget, a 50 piece on them.

Yeah.

They're going to be all right, though.

They're going to be all right.

They're going to be all right.

I don't know if they're going to be all right this year.

Yeah, no,

they're going to have some ups and downs, but they're going to compete.

They're going to compete.

Bill is the type of coach that even if you're losing, even with losses like tonight, even with losses like tonight, that's the type of coach you still want to do everything you can for to only not only appease him, but to prove the doubt is wrong.

All those that are going to be talking trash, because

you know what the media are going to do.

They're going to rip him to shreds.

They was waiting for an opportunity like this, waiting to see what the debut looks like.

And then you go out there and lose.

The players, they're going to step up.

They're going to step up.

They're not going to fold.

The NFL top 100, the top 10 NFL players were unveiled tonight.

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At number nine, Patrick Sertain II, excuse me.

Number nine, Justin Jefferson.

Number eight, Miles Garrett.

Number seven, Derrick Henry.

Number six, Joe Burrow.

I don't know if y'all noticed.

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Patrick Mahomes was number five.

Jamar Chase, another guy.

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Saquon Barkley oh my bad

Saquon

any surprise any surprises are you surprised

uh uh LT Ocho are you surprised that Saquon beat out Josh Allen and Lamar to be the number one player in the NFL this season voted on by his peers

LT

I'm a

i'm a bit surprised uh so am i because because we're living in a world where it's all about the quarterback and we know that and rightfully so i mean josh allen is the reigning mvp okay so you would think that um you know he would get the most votes from his peers and even beyond josh allen lamar jackson with the type of season he had last year man he had one of the top seasons from any quarterback in history you hear me so you know i'm I'm very surprised.

I mean, Saquon obviously had a spectacular year and, you know, got close to the rushing record of a single season, but he didn't get it.

And so, you know, that holds way that he didn't get it, but he did win the Super Bowl.

So I think players at the end of the day are giving him credit for being, you know, going over 2,000 yards and.

winning the Super Bowl championship and being the catalyst for

that Eagles.

And offensive player of the year.

That's right.

And I think that had a lot to do with it.

Look,

I think he deserves it.

Saquon has really elevated the running back position, the value, the value of the running back position.

So hands down, I salute Saquon, man, for being the number one player.

Respect.

And we've talked more about the running back position.

in

24 and leading to 25 than we have at any point in time in the last decade, guys, because of what we saw with Derrick Henry, what we saw with Saquon Barkley, what we saw with a Josh Jacobs, what we saw with Joe Mixon.

There were a lot of running backs like, hold on, Jonathan Taylor, hold on.

They still got some.

Jameer Gibbs, Jameer Gibbs.

Jameer Gibbs.

So they're trying to say, look, there is still value when used correctly.

So y'all want to put them behind, y'all want to put them behind

no quarterback.

So-so offensive line.

Look at all these guys that we mentioned.

Saquon Barkley, look at his quarterback, look at his offensive line.

Derrick Henry, look at his quarterback, look at his offensive line.

Joe Mixon, look at his quarterback, look at his offensive line.

Gibbs, look at his quarterback, look at his offensive line.

Josh Jacobs, look at his quarterback.

You see a real current theme here?

But see,

but when a quarterback doesn't succeed, boy, they make every excuse in the world.

Now all of a sudden, the running back knows to see, oh, man, he over the heel.

There ain't no value in him.

Nah, you're right.

Ain't nobody running behind that ain't got no line.

And if i sit my defense and your quarterback can't beat me i am not going to let your running back beat me you saw what the chiefs tried to do in the super bowl guys they said we are not letting saquan beat us josh uh uh jalen hurt says okay you know what i don't drink no beer but hold this ginger ale i got something for y'all i got something for y'all go ahead oh joe are you surprised to see saquan at the top you got two backs yeah in the top 10 top 10 yeah most definitely i i wasn't surprised at all obviously saquan is a a tier one back and those tier one backs are the reason why the value of the running back position is now prevalent because of players like Saquon, obviously being in the perfect situation, Eagles offensive line.

And he's one of the reasons why they were able to reach the Super Bowl, actually take them over the hump and getting back to the Super Bowl.

Obviously, we have to give credit to their defense as well.

But

Josh Allen had a great season.

Lamar Jackson had a great season, but I think...

the number one spot was given to Saquon, not with just his play on the field, but what he does also off the field.

And the fact that he was able to win a ring was the cherry on top.

So it was a no-brainer as far as your peers picking him as number one.

Yeah.

So Saquon Barkley voted by his peers as the number one player in the NFL in the top 100.

Lamar Jackson was second.

Lamar Jackson was second last year.

Josh Allen's number three.

I think he was outside of the top 10.

Jamar Chase was way down.

He's number four.

Patrick Mahomes was number four last year.

He's number five.

Whoa, what you mean, way down?

I think he was 35 last year, Ocho.

Chase was.

Yeah,

he was, yeah.

Oh, I thought you said way down.

No, no, no.

I was saying compared to where he was last year.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Lamar was two last year.

I think Josh Allen was 12.

I think Jamar Chase was like 35.

Patrick Mahomes was four.

Joe Burrow was a little outside of the top 20, I think.

Derrick Henry, Miles Garrett.

Miles Garrett was number five.

Justin Jefferson had coming off that sensational year.

He got in.

I think he got Nick, but Justin Jefferson has been a top player.

he's been Mr.

Consistent, and you know, defensive player of the year, Patrick Sartain.

Um, but I think with mainly with Saquon and Derrick Henry, what they were able to do: one guy went for 2,000, the other guy went for 1921.

First time a guy that's rushed for 1,900 yards didn't win the rushing title.

So, that just goes to show you how well the other guy played.

Because normally, LT, you get 1,900 yards, you're like, Yeah, I got that rushing, I got that big in the bag.

Yeah,

what absolutely, and let's keep this in mind, guys.

The easiest way to win games is still running the football.

I mean, because you take away the chances of turning it over and crazy things happening when you can run the football and impose your will, you know, cut down on the game.

You help your defense and all that kind of stuff.

So I think at the end of the day, that's why we're starting to see just a little shift.

I'm not saying we're going completely back to when you went when we're not early.

No, no, no, no.

Not 90 to 30, 2000.

We ain't going to never get back there.

No, we ain't going to never get back there.

But I think there is more teams that's starting to focus on

the run game a little bit more to control games, especially when you have a young quarterback or a quarterback who can manage things at the line of scrimmage, like all the ones you mentioned, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, all those guys that have good running backs as well.

Well, it's not going back because you see where these quarterback salaries are going.

You're about to have a quarterback making 70 million.

You're not paying the guy $70 million to turn around and hand it to a guy that's making 10 million.

That ain't happening.

We're paying you 70 million to throw it to a guy that's making 40.

So that's why you're never going to see.

And plus, why would you?

Because guess what?

I can get a rough in the passer.

I can get an illegal contact.

I can get unnecessary roughness.

I got so many things that can go right if I just throw the football.

You see, D.

But you're still putting that $70 million quarterback in jeopardy if you got a defense that's hidden.

Yeah.

But for $70 million, i'm in jeopardy

you see what josh allen you see what josh allen just got this offseason lt 330 million with a quarter of a billy guaranteed but you know you got to think about too huh you got to remember this nfair too lt this is this is the passing league and yes running backs that can take that time off the clock that can get the defense of wrestling on the sideline it's only a handful of them

it's only a handful of them bulls like they can really carry that whole offense on their back where you don't even have to throw the ball when it comes to crunch time and you want to buy some time and take some time off the clock.

There's only a few now.

Oh, yeah.

There's only there's only a handful of guys.

I remember when Peyton Manning came to the Broncos, I mean, he was the high, he got like 96 million for five years.

I mean, just think about that.

Just

and what?

For the longest time,

25 million was pretty good money for what was great money for a quarterback.

And then it went to 30.

And then they were like, no, 30 ain't nothing.

Now you had $60 million.

Yeah.

$60 million.

And guess what?

LT, we know this, Ocho.

They're going to add another game.

Oh, yeah.

It's going to be 18 games.

I give it five years.

They're going to add another playoff game, too.

That's coming.

Because

YouTube, YouTube wants in on this action.

They want to become a network.

In the only way to become a network, you got to have live sporting events, mainly the NFL.

Guess who else want to get in on that?

Netflix, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, Amazon, Amazon, Amazon said, you know, I look, I we love that Thursday night package, we really do, guys.

We don't want you to think we're greedy, but we are.

We like Black Friday football, that Friday game after Thanksgiving.

But I mean, we could really use a package,

and you're talking about somebody that's sitting on hordes of cash, somebody that's sitting on 30, 40, 50, 100 billion in cash.

And the one thing,

money talk, cash screams.

So

we're going to see what's happening, but it's coming.

It's coming.

What was it?

He said, Coach, what you call him said by 2025,

he close.

They wanted to be a $20 billion industry.

They're close.

2030?

Absolutely.

It's going to be $25, $30 billion a year.

Easy.

So

let's sit with that one for a minute because I got a question.

Okay, so that means that the season is going to have to be prolonged a little bit because the players are going to want another

two bye weeks.

We used to have two bye weeks, LT, before you got in the league.

Back in the mid-90s, you had two bye weeks.

Yeah, we had two, yeah, in the 90s.

Yeah,

you had two bye.

You got to have it.

But, oh, Joe,

LT, man, they're going to be playing the Super Bowl on goddamn St.

Patrick's Day.

Right, right, exactly.

And that's what I'm thinking.

Because you started after Labor Day.

If you got two bye weeks, think about it.

You already at the second week.

You already at the second week in what's come.

So now if you add another

playoff game,

you're going to be damn near St.

Patty's Day.

You damn sure have the President's Day in February.

You're going to be the third.

Hey, you're going to be the third week, fourth week.

Well, there's only four weeks in February anyway, but you might be playing on leap year.

But that's what the money is because what else can you do?

The only thing thing you can do is give them another game There ain't nothing else you can do in the game within the game You can only give them an additional game to create additional revenue revenue.

Yeah, and these owners the one thing we know about them They can know you can never that's one thing you've never heard somebody say people have said I got too many pairs of shoes.

I got too many too many too much jewelry.

I got too many cars.

I got too many homes.

Name the person that's ever said, man, I got too much money.

Yeah, you're right.

But listen, this is

also even, you got to remember, too, if they are adding the game, even no matter how long it is, if the season goes in the second, third week of February, the players understand they're getting a bigger piece of the pie, too.

They're getting a bigger piece of the pie.

Now, we don't know what it's going to look like yet.

All I want that pie, Ocho.

I don't want any, don't franchise me, no franchise tags.

I want lifetime.

If I get 10 years in the league,

LT, Ocho, I want lifetime health benefits.

That should be a bare minimum

lt that should be a bare minimum because let's just say for the sake of argument you get health insurance for five years after you retire yes the average career is about two and a half to three years okay you retire at 25

bruh you ain't gonna have no illness not nothing really major some at 30 you need that issue 65

down the road yes

i mean you can you can you know you can prolong it you can take the uh the five years anytime you want to but but at 30 from 25 to 30 nah nah nah nah i won't if i get 10 years i want lifetime health benefits i want and guess what i don't want you to be able to franchise me yeah no and all this well they got to pick one or the other you know how this i want both of them oh sure you know how this works You got to come to the table and the owners are going to tell you you're going to get one thing.

Which one do you want?

Do you want lifetime benefits?

well then that's what we're gonna we're gonna work out a deal to make what i say you get one and then the players gonna have i say i tell you what you get one you want an extra regular season game or an extra playoff game you get one

hey

hey listen player the players got one person on lt that'll fight for them one person you put me in you put me in position of power to represent the players i'm gonna get us lifetime benefits no franchise tag

and what's the other one guaranteed contracts that's my three hey listen

hey i'm telling you lt i'm telling you once i put that suit on once i put that suit and that tie on and you put me in the right room and i flip that switch boy it's a wrap

but uh they they the players have got to get something but they bargained for petty privileges way back when lt because i see you bargaining talking about well i don't want to do two a days well i don't want to put the pads on but so many times during the course of the year bro you played a game of football, you play tackle football, but you don't want to tackle?

Yeah, yeah, so you bargain for credit privileges.

Go look at what Roger Goodell bargained for.

Look at what they bargained for.

Different.

Now, Roger Cadell ain't taking no hits.

He got lifetime medical.

He gets used to the jet.

You see what he bargains?

You see the difference between bargaining, what I'm bargaining for, and what you're bargaining for?

He wants benefits.

They think a long-term, too.

Even though he's making $30, $40 million a year, he wants someone else to pay for those lifetime benefits

but um why do you think i mean think about it why as players the current players why aren't they thinking about lifetime benefits why isn't that an area of focus i'm not i'm not going to get a debilitating illness i'm not going to get anything that's going to disrupt what i've already got I remember, and I'm not going to call anybody's name because I was in the league when free agency actually happened with LT.

And there are a lot of guys.

Man, you give me a million dollars.

damn them benefits.

I buy my own health insurance.

Now, I ain't telling what somebody told you.

I'm telling you what I know.

Because I was in the league when the Reggie White and the Self-Jordan, when they filed that petition and it came and we got free agency.

And that's what a lot of guys say.

You give me a million dollars.

You give me $2 million.

I buy my own health care.

And that's my point, Arc.

That's my point.

Because most players feel like that.

We invest.

Yeah, absolutely.

We never think about what's going to happen, you know, after we retire 10 15 years after we retire we never think about that we are warriors that's we only think about what's happening now and getting as much money as possible for us to live off of and see what happens

you get a situation where you get a divorce or you have a couple of kids outside and next thing you know 5,000 10 000 15 000 a month the wife take halves she takes half your pension so now you're half the person that you went into the relationship with Now, long term, because if somebody would have told me when I was 25, 30, 35, 40 that I was going to have both of my hips replaced, I wouldn't have believed it.

So now you're talking about $125,000 surgery per

okay.

You get, I mean, some of these cancer drugs, you're talking about $30,000, $40,000 a month.

Whoa, a month, a month,

a month, a month.

Yes.

So, like, LT, to your point, LT, we don't think,

we think we're invincible.

And things that

happen to normal citizens that didn't play in the NFL, that ain't going to happen to us.

We're not going to become a burden.

We're not going to have Alzheimer's.

We're not going to have dementia.

We're not going to suffer Lou Garris.

We're not going to suffer things.

That is a stress.

When you have to have 24-hour care, boy, that, hey, boy,

that'll eat up a savings.

And so

you don't think about things like that.

But I wish the players would think, give it more, more consideration when they think long-term, say, like, you know what?

Okay.

Yeah.

But a lot of, and plus, guys,

other sports, they think about the guys that's coming after them.

You see, Kurt Flood, he never benefited for free agency.

Cost him his career, but everybody else that did.

You see, nobody is willing to to risk anything that might cost them.

And the thing is, Ocho, and I told LT, I told Ocho this: sometimes you got to plant a tree, realizing that you're not going to benefit from the shade it produces.

Sometimes you got to fight for something

that you're not going to be the benefit of what you're actually fighting for.

Think about all the people in the 60s that fought for civil rights, that never got a chance.

Come on now.

That never got a chance to

go to

a

non-segregated place.

That never got an opportunity to do anything but sit in the back.

That never got an opportunity to see a black president.

That never got an opportunity to some of the things that we get afforded.

Sometimes you have to be willing to sacrifice some things for the betterment of everything.

And I don't think enough people people think of it like that.

Well said, huh?

Well said.

My grandfather worked in the cotton field

so that I could be living in this house right now.

Yeah,

you know?

We didn't pick

my uncles and aunt, my uncles, my mom, my uncles, older uncles, because they were born, they were born in the 40s.

So they, you know, they picked cotton.

My grandmother, my mom is the oldest girl.

So my grandmother was still having kids, the oldest girl, what she had to do, take care of the boy, take care of the other kids until they got big enough to get their ass in the cotton field right my grandma pregnant and still picking cotton

my grandfather was dipping dipping tar unless you're from the size you probably don't know what that is but he was dipping tar

so it it was it was a it was a different way back there a few weeks out

uh ash told me a lot of y'all in the chat ask me Why I get off camera and my nose.

It's really hard for me to blow my nose because I got a plate in my eye and I have to be very, very careful because I end up blowing the plate out.

My nose will start bleeding if I blow my nose too hard.

So instead of just blowing it, I just wipe it and I don't want to be on camera wiping my nose for the world to see.

So that's why I just removed myself to the side.

So I do have a plate that's had to be replaced a couple of times because I had a fractural orbital, but that's why I'm doing that, guys.

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Rather than rewarding running backs for production once their rookie contract expire, as happened at almost every position, the NFL's 1991 MVP, My Dog Thurman Thomas, is upset that teams are instead letting them go and moving on to the next younger, cheaper player.

You still deserve a contract.

The first team has to put you through hell yet.

I'm still ready to go.

Haven't had any injuries.

Now give me my damn money, Thurm told the Associated Press.

With such a turnover, it's a reason why only three running backs, Barkley, McCaffrey, and Henry, are averaging 15 million per

this season as compared to 26 wide receivers.

It's not even the receiver money.

It's like we're hanging with the punters and the kickers.

You're right.

They're looking at it like, oh Joe,

the best years on the tie of a car is when it's brand new.

Yeah.

You drive that car all over the city.

You put 50,000 miles on the car.

Them tires ain't the same.

That's how they look at running backs, LT.

That's how they look at y'all.

They're like, LT, hold on.

LT, we gave you the ball 270 times and you caught 100 passes.

That's 370 touches, LT.

And you did that one, two, three, four.

Oh, yeah, no, no, no, no, no, yeah, that's how they think, you know, but but listen, but the Thurman Thomas's point, that's how they think with the tier two and below running backs.

The tier ones are the ones that are still making the big money, not as much as the receivers, not as much nowhere near the quarterbacks, but the tier ones that could change your whole offense, your tier ones to LT's point, that can kill that time and let your defense rest for a little bit, especially in garbage time when when it's time to end a game.

It's only a few.

It's only a handful of those.

That's why it's only a handful.

Make 12, 13, 14, what?

Damn near 20.

Who made 20

to make 20?

Guys, to Thurman's point,

where does Saquon Barkley have to do to go get that money?

Was it with the Giants or was it with someone else?

Where did Derrick Henry have to go, Ocho, to get that money?

Was it with the Titans or was it with the Ravens?

And remember, last year, he played on $8 million deal.

He had two years for $16 million.

Oh, but they came back.

They came back to him.

Yes.

So really, the only guy that's ever gotten money at the running back position, you've got to go back to Zeke.

And Zeke was probably the one that really hurt because he was never the same after he got that money.

And

everybody looked at Zeke and they said, hold on.

Look at that offensive line he got.

He got...

two for show Hall of Famers, a potential Hall of Famer that retired, the center retired because he's like, I don't want to do it anymore.

And Zeke just stepped off a cliff.

Yards per game went down.

Yards per carry get down.

Don't remember, he hurt his knee, too.

He hurt his knee real bad.

He didn't hurt his knee every year, Ocho.

But see, but see, this is how you solve that.

For one, the running backs that are game-changing, the guys that can hit a home run from any spot on the field, that can catch the ball and do everything, they're going to be the ones that have to change the game.

And when I say change the game, guys, I'm meaning sign shorter deals

strike when the iron is hot running backs two or three year deals you know if if because think about it most running backs they can perform and and and perform at a high level early in their career like it doesn't take long for them to you know kind of get become a staple in the offense and get going and become one of the top at their positions it don't take long so why can't you come back to the table after two and three years and then sign a shorter deal a two-year deal two-year let's say two-year 50 million oh you ain't gonna get that ocho that's

i mean

let me take let me let me tell you why they're not gonna do it ocho i mean uh lt because in order for me to give you a big signing bonus i need to prorate it over the life of the contract So even if I, if you want a two-year deal, let's just say, oh, LT, you want a two-year deal for $40 million.

And I want to give you, I want to give you, I say I give you $20 million to sign.

Well, I only get to pro rate that over two years.

So now that's 10.

So let's just say for the sake of argument, I give you 2 million.

So I give you 2 million.

That's 12 million.

And guess what?

Now that's 28 million.

That's 30.

Your next, that next year is 38 million cap here.

They're not going to let that happen.

So, and plus, when you're a running back and you had

your first round draft pick, I got you for three years.

Five years.

I got you for five.

Now, if I'm nice,

if I'm nice and you on time and you haven't been injured, I'll do the deal after three.

But if not, I know I got a fourth year, a fifth year option, and two franchise tags.

So I got you for seven years and I ain't got to do nothing.

That's nasty work.

It is after all.

That's that Jerry Jones work you're talking about right now.

The next running back that's going to hit, that's going to hit big, and there won't be any question about it.

There won't be, we don't really value the running back position because we know what you can get.

One of the few players, one of the few running backs in the NFL that can hit the head off the goalpost from anywhere on the field, that's brother, that's Brother Jameer Gibbs down in Detroit.

Yep.

Oh, he, he, I'm talking about he going, he's going north of 17, 18.

Oh, absolutely.

B.

John Robinson is going to get paid too.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah.

That's another.

They got to go above 20, though, guys.

Like, in order to reset the market.

for future guys in their position that everybody ain't gonna get that we know that everybody's not gonna get that but the special ones they gotta get that you can't 20 that how much

that they did this for saquan because think about it guys he got a 50 million dollar quarterback you got a 50 million dollar quarterback you got a 202 you got a 30 million a 30 million dollar receiver a 28 million dollar receiver yeah yeah and you got a 20 million dollar running back

and you got look at lane johnson what he make look at what my lotto make look at what dickersons make they paying.

Yeah.

They just redid

Braun.

You know, you got to see that man child in the middle, Jalen Carter.

You got to see him.

You got two guys on the edge that in another year, you're going to have to see one of them.

Listen, Jalen Carter is going to reset the whole market.

Yeah.

At every position.

Well, I don't know if he's, I don't think you're going to catch Micah, but the number,

CJ,

Chris Jones, Stone Cold Jones for the Kansas City Chiefs, he's at 31 and a half for DT.

So he's way over everybody else at the DT position.

Yeah, most definitely.

You're talking about a guy that's 24, 25, but he don't realize how good he can be.

He still don't know how good he can be.

Yeah, you know why he's

not going to catch Micah?

Or he might not,

he's going to overlap, he's going to overleap Chris Jones.

Yes.

Because Howie.

And Jeffrey always pay early.

They're not going to wait.

They're not going to wait.

They're going to pay early.

You're not gonna turn it down.

And plus, Ocho, the sacks.

DT, don't like I said, uh, the thing is, what spoiled us was Aaron Donald.

Donald, yeah, because D tackles not supposed to get 20 sacks, LT.

They're not supposed to be getting 15 sacks.

You stop the run, give us about seven or eight sacks.

We have it, we have

it, be disruptive.

Yeah, yeah.

But

I agree.

But really, the only guy you got to, for the longest time, nobody even approached Christian Kristen McCaffrey's that 15 and Zeke's 15 for years.

It wasn't until Kristen McCaffrey got a new deal from the 49ers that leapfrogged.

And then, because remember,

the Giants didn't want to do anything with Saquon.

They made him play on the franchise tag.

And then they ended up letting him go.

And when he let him go, he still didn't get past the 15.

It wasn't until 2,000 yards.

It wasn't until offensive player of the year that he got, he broke the $20 million barrier.

Think about it.

Derrick Henry, he was on an $8 to $10 million a year contract.

So he goes for 19, 21 and 16, 17 touchdowns before they finally put him at the 15.

So somebody going to, hey, in order to break the, to leap from Saquon, boy, you're going to have to have an LT season.

32 touchdowns, offensive player of the year, MVP.

LT, if you want somebody to get 25 million, they're going to have to pee the season.

Cause LT had damn 1,900 yards, 30-plus touchdowns.

He caught another 50 passes for another 500 yards, unless you're going to have a season like LT had.

Yeah.

LT, that was the 05 season, right?

When y'all came and played us?

No, it was 06.

Yeah, the 06 was

played y'all.

Y'all jumped up on us.

I think it was like 21.

Golly, that thing was rocking.

I don't know what happened.

We lost, man.

Would y'all just go ahead and and walk them down there though, LT?

We just walked them down.

Hey, they over there dancing.

Hey, we on the sideline clapping at them.

Like, okay.

They good.

It's first quarter.

Y'all did good.

LT, when you look around the league today and there's a lot of running back, what running back reminds you of yourself?

Man, that's a good one.

I mean, you know, I see traces of myself in different running backs, you know.

Like, I think when I think about the jump cut, you know, the balance, the spin and stuff, say Kwan kind of has that

low center of

gravity, being able to bounce from hole to hole and then hit the whole explosiveness.

But when I think about like coming out the backfield, you know, I came out the backfield a lot.

Gibby, man, Gibby coming out that back.

Because

here's the thing that people misunderstand.

When you coming out the backfield, you got to come out fast.

You can't can't come out tipping yeah looking you got to come out running man you know and so because there's matchups it's either going to be a safety or a linebacker on you most of the time so come out running scare the daylights out of them and then cut off of them you know what i mean that's what gibby does do so well so i i think those two i mean there's a little bit christian mccaffrey some things that he does as well man

Yeah, those are the guys.

I don't think people understand how difficult the running back position is when it it comes to those tier one running backs lt like like you jameer give saquon

derrick henry is a little bit different he does he's not like you guys from the no no no he's the old school bail cap he's an old school

yeah yeah but you or jameer give for example and you too lt being able to get the ball and be at be fast being able to come come to balance

And being able to re-accelerate right then and there and being able to set linebackers up, set safeties up, still make a move, and not move, and not lose any, not momentum, but uh, what's the word?

No wasted movement.

That's what I'm looking for.

No wasting movement.

Everything, everything in one, in one, in one transaction, in one transition.

Everybody can't do that, man.

I told a man, stop letting the LT run that damn Texas route on y'all.

Knock his ass down.

He can't do it up and look across y'all damn face.

He's gonna run the flat, he's gonna come up and make you think he's gonna run Texas across your face, or he's gonna break it out on your ass and haul ass on you.

Man, knock him down.

down.

Hey,

I got to a point, though, you know, where they allow me to stay up that seam.

If you, if you,

if you, you know,

if you stay, if you stayed inside, I just stay in that seam.

I did Denver like that up in Mile High one time.

Yeah, you can't went by 70 on.

You caught us up.

We played y'all.

I think that was my,

I think that might have been my first year back.

My first year back in Denver, where you hit her for like 200 and had 10 catches.

I'm like,

where did he come from?

Man, it's

like

the running back position now, LT, you see a lot of guys, because a lot of teams run a two-back system.

That's not what you had.

You were old school, tight end, fullback in front of you,

low-knail, leading the way.

Yeah, leading the way.

That's what you had.

In today's game, it's more of a two-back system

how different

is lt's career if he had to split if he had to split reps

what do you mean if i had to i wouldn't do it

i i wouldn't do it like no i was i was selfish i ain't coming out the game dog you know what i'm saying and that was part of the reason why like i prided myself on being able to do everything

so you didn't have to say oh he can't he can't block or he can't run this route or he can't catch.

I prided myself on that.

And I wanted to take every rep.

I was just that competitive because I believe if I was on the sideline, something was going to happen that, you know, like I couldn't control.

So I couldn't do it today, man.

And here's the other thing.

Like when you're the bell cow guy, you're thinking the long call, huh?

Ojo.

You're thinking, okay, in the fourth quarter is when I really got to get going.

Let me, you know, let me get my yards.

i'm gonna step out of bounds here and there you know what i'm saying i'm gonna save myself but in the fourth quarter when them boys a little bit time will give them the stiff arm you know i'm saying i'm gonna run through a couple of tackles that's when because that was something that marty schottenheimer instilled in me and pose your will throughout the game i i mean i hear it playing in my mind like yesterday that was something he always said and we live by it

Yeah, y'all, I mean,

you went to the perfect situation because Marty's gonna going to run the football.

Marty going to run it.

Marty going to put that ball in your belly, LT.

That's what Marty going to do.

Hey, but here's the thing, though, y'all.

So in college, think about it.

I was a perimeter runner.

Like, you know, I was a sweep guy, you know, get on the perimeter, do my thing.

Man, when I first got to San Diego and Marty came in, he started talking about running power and going down the A gap.

Hey, I used to bounce that thing so much that Joe used to get mad.

He used to get stay in the A gap, stay trusted.

I'm like, Coach, ain't nothing.

I gotta bounce it, you know what I'm saying?

But I had to learn, man.

I had to learn how to be an inside runner.

I didn't want to embrace it at first, but I'm glad I did.

Man, it did make me a better, obviously, a better hell.

Y'all running that power, y'all pulling guard tackle, and damn little Low Neal.

Hell, you kick it out, pin it down.

And then here come Lol Neal up in the hole on the linebacker.

Now you one-on-one with the safety.

Zoe gonna clear it out every time.

Hey, them old school, them old school fullbacks like Sam Gash.

I played with

Gasher and Low Neal.

They come with bad intentions.

Head first.

Oh, yeah.

Neck roll it off.

Hey, Lowe used to say, Hey, before the play, you say, Hey, daddy, get on my hip and don't dip.

Let's go.

That's what he used to do.

Hey, they scared of Lil Neil, man.

Low.

Hey, give Low Neil like one carry a game on 31.

you good yeah yeah you good you good he bought

hey he bought he bought in lt man you look like you done you done lost some weight damn you done trim down

oh oh cho man i'm on this intermittent fasting oh no you know

yeah man i get my workouts every day man

I feel good, man.

I'm at planning.

Yeah,

LT, you might be on the 200, LT.

What you about about 210.

I'm about 210.

And you need to come holler at your boy.

You know, I'm a nutritionist right now.

I'm a nutritionist.

What that die like, you know, the same thing I ate when I played.

McDonald's.

Hey, LT, don't worry about it.

You know, 11 NFL teams already hired me to help with that nutrition so the player stopped getting hurt.

No more, none of that soft tissue injury, no non-contact, no, none of that.

None of that's happening.

No, you charge it too much.

I'll choose, you know, I'm on a budget now.

Hey, LT, I charge $20 a week.

That ain't nothing.

That's still too much.

I'll mess with you.

$10, I'll mess with you.

Hey,

LT, so what time do you eat your first meal?

About one o'clock.

So you get all your meals in between, what, one and seven, one and eight?

One and eight.

Yeah.

One and eight, man.

So you're going about 14 to 16 hours fasting.

Yep.

Yep.

I do.

So when do you work out?

You work out in the morning?

So you're working out on the empty stomach.

So you're doing fasting.

I am.

Yeah.

Okay.

I am, man.

So I usually work out about nine to 10 o'clock in the morning.

I get up early, get the kids off to school, you know, and then,

you know, I see, I will modify with coffee.

So I'll have coffee in the morning by 10 ounces.

That's it.

Damn,

but do you know how much 10 ounces is?

10 ounces.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, about 10 ounces.

That's a can of coke.

A can of coke is 12 ounces.

You got too fewer than that.

But that coffee run through.

You ain't got nothing on your stomach.

Yeah.

Yeah, I love that coffee, man.

So then I'll get my workout

by that time.

By that time, you know, it's it's it's around 12 o'clock.

And once I order food or cook food, it's one, it's one o'clock.

So, yeah,

go ahead, go ahead, Ocho.

I'm gonna say, you smoke cigars,

yeah, absolutely, yes, sir.

I got a cigar lounge in my house, oh Joe.

What?

Yes, I got a cigar lounge.

Hey, boy, you rich.

I gotta leave home to go to the cigar bar.

He got one in the house.

Yeah.

Him and Joe, both of them got properties.

Nah, my brother goes,

he go on the back porch.

He got no lounge in the house.

He go to the back porch and blow it out.

Hey, LT, people always ask,

it was me, you, and Time, and Carissa.

And we had picked somebody, and I had picked them to win.

And Time told me I didn't do that.

And you said, he did.

He picked him.

i said time i swear for god and two white men i picked them

and y'all oh my god

but they don't really oh lt

the conversation that we had watching the games me you and time

yeah i i i i'm glad because this is what kind of what my mind is what i envisioned with nightcap to be was kind of you know we yeah we talk about games but we talk about a lot of other things man

oh cho i was that was some of my best word lt said man but man lt told me i need to be a comedian say i don't know how why you play football you need to be a damn comedian

for real dog this man said two white men like why it gotta be two white man like oh they just stakeholders what we talking about

back then you know back in the day you would lie before them now because it was hell to pay you lie before them

But man,

that was some fun times, man.

Tom and I talked about that, man.

That was some great times.

LT, thanks for for joining us man congratulations on the frogs going down to chapel hill 4814 over to tar hills come back and join later this season lt

i definitely will man

appreciate it bro have a good one no doubt yep

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