Nightcap Hour 1: Unc & Ocho & LaDainian Tomlinson react to TCU BLOWING OUT Belichick's UNC & Saquon NO. 1 in NFL's Top 100!

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Speaker 21 bros how y'all doing listen before unknow man i appreciate you joining us man i don't get to see you often and now that i have a chance to see i got to tell you man it was a pleasure it was a pleasure playing on the same field with you it was a pleasure watching you and and and i get the chance to tell you brother i love you man and i salute you for all you've accomplished man though it's it's i'm just it's for me it's an honor it's it's an honor for real

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Speaker 13 man,

Speaker 13 thought we're going to have a good game because it started out good for UFC. They got the ball go right down the field.
I said, okay. I said, Coach, better check might have got him a stinker.

Speaker 13 But come to find out, all he did, he just pooped on the field. That's the only stank out there.
Because, boy, they stunk it up tonight.

Speaker 13 48 to 14, the hornfrogs travel on the road, go down to Chapel Hill. Whoo, Chapel Bill.
They need to pray for it because they're going to go get real ugly.

Speaker 13 It's going to get ugly before it gets better, Ocho

Speaker 13 LT.

Speaker 13 But

Speaker 13 48 to 14,

Speaker 13 TCU really had their way with them. Over 500 yards of total offense.
They did a great job. They threw the ball well.
They ran the ball exceptionally well.

Speaker 13 And North Carolina, look, I understand it's Coach Belichick's first year there, but you see the talent, the discrepancy. Now, I'm not saying TCU is Ohio State.
I'm not saying that.

Speaker 13 I'm not saying they're LSU or one of those programs,

Speaker 13 they have more talent than the Tar Heels.

Speaker 13 LT, watch this game. I know you had a vested interest in this game.
You're a great alum of TCU. What did you like about what you saw from your ball club?

Speaker 12 Well, to your point, your point, Unc, we have a veteran team, man. You know, we have guys that have played a lot of football.
And, you know, when you have a veteran team, guys that have...

Speaker 12 you know, been in some tough games, have weathered the storm, you're supposed to win a game like this versus a team, you know, in UNC who has brought in a lot of transfers. It's a lot of turnover.

Speaker 12 They still don't know what they have yet. So I'm just keeping it honest.
We were supposed to win this game. But what I like from my team, like typically, we can throw the ball all over the yard.

Speaker 12 But lately, we have had a trouble. We had a little trouble running the football to close out games.
And you guys know, as an RB, we got to be able to run the football.

Speaker 12 So that's what I love the most tonight is when we had to run the ball in the second half, man, we dominated. We controlled a lot of scrimmage.

Speaker 12 We had like three or four running backs in there running the football. And I think that bows well for us in the Big 12.

Speaker 13 You took the ball the first player of the drive, the first play

Speaker 13 of the drive in the second half, and you go 75 yards. The guy goes 75 yards untouched.
So it was a harbinger of things to come. Oh, Joe, you watched this ball game.

Speaker 13 There was a lot of fanfare. Everybody's talking about Coach Belichick.
We know what he's accomplished at the NFL level.

Speaker 13 They started going through all his accolades, the six Super Bowl wins, the nine Super Bowl appearances, the 17, 18 division titles, and yada, yada, yada. But now he's coaching players.
And I think

Speaker 13 to a certain point, all coaches have patience. But I think you have to show even more patience now, even though some of these guys are getting paid.

Speaker 13 It's not like an NFL roster where every single guy is getting paid.

Speaker 13 But watching this game, Ocho, what did you, is there anything, is there anything you can take positive from what you saw from North Carolina?

Speaker 21 I mean, the only thing I can take positive from North Carolina is the head coach of Bill Belichick. That's the only positive thing I can take.
You're playing a TCU team.

Speaker 21 Obviously, you can see the discrepancy in the level of talent at each position. And one thing that Bill Belichick always harped on, he always harped on is turnovers.
You can't turn the ball over.

Speaker 21 You can't make mistakes. Here's one thing.
Do your job and

Speaker 21 everything else will take care of itself. Now, I'm not sure North Carolina schedule.
I'm not sure the team they have coming forward.

Speaker 21 But when when it comes to a team that's evenly matched, you know, from skill, from skill set to skill set, whether it be defensively or offensively, we will get to see a better outcome from

Speaker 21 Bill and that coaching staff. Coaches can only do so much, huh?

Speaker 13 Yeah.

Speaker 21 LT, coaches can only do so much. At some point, you have to go out there and execute.
And it's a team game. but it's 11 individuals on the field and you got to win your job.

Speaker 21 You got to win your individual battle. And then the outcome of team comes into play.

Speaker 21 They were they were they were they weren't out coached, but they were outclassed because the level of talent that TCU had tonight, obviously.

Speaker 12 I think they looked a little.

Speaker 12 I think they looked,

Speaker 12 yeah. I was gonna say, I think they looked a little better when the backup quarterback came in, Max Johnson.

Speaker 12 They looked a little bit better, he threw the ball a little bit better, they had a little bit better rhythm to their offense. And if you guys know, that's Brad Johnson,

Speaker 12 so you know he has the pedigree in order to play the position. So, maybe they make that turn to this young young man who is obviously has played a lot of football.

Speaker 12 He's been to LSU, Texas AM, so he's played a lot of football.

Speaker 13 I agree.

Speaker 13 I have a question,

Speaker 21 I have a question for Corey. Will they really make a move already from the starting quarterback after just one game, or do they give him another chance? Will they make it?

Speaker 21 But will Bill make a move that fast?

Speaker 13 The way he looked. Yeah,

Speaker 13 he really didn't look good. And the question is, how close was the quarterback battle? Because it said, I mean, they said he won the battle.
So how close was it?

Speaker 13 Was it a runaway or was it a last second decision? But I agree with you, LT, because this young man has played at the top. He was the starting quarterback in the SEC.

Speaker 13 He was starting quarterback at LSU. He was a starting quarterback at Texas A ⁇ M.

Speaker 13 And for him, I'm surprised that he didn't win the job outright. I think we need to give Mr.
Lopez a little credit, but he didn't look good tonight. Now, okay, it's one game.

Speaker 13 One game is not going to determine, but it's not going to, you can't have a lot. Oh, Joe, you only got 10, 11 games.

Speaker 13 I can't wait till five games in to say, okay, I'm going to pull the plug. No, it's a lot,

Speaker 13 you get a lot quicker hooked in college than you do in the NFL because you have 17 weeks as opposed to like 11 weeks.

Speaker 13 But look,

Speaker 13 they're not good.

Speaker 13 To make a long story, short guys, we talk about, oh, if they have a short leash, a long leash, they're not good. LT, you mentioned it.

Speaker 13 When you get 70 trained, you got 70 new guys you got 30 freshmen come on man what what do we expect

Speaker 12 what do we expect this is and you playing the acc

Speaker 13 you playing the ac you see how miami look yeah miami look yes last night man yes oh no you got you got clemson and you got clemson in that division and that in that excuse me in that conference so north carolina uh the tar heels are going to have to be on their best behavior now i'm not saying look wake forest we'll see what wake forest has and nc state and there are a couple of other teams the dukes but right now carolina needs a lot i mean i was what i was most disappointed in was their defense because that's where coach belichek that's where his son steve belichick they cut their teeth they're normally hey when you come home i already knew where my grandfather hat was supposed to go so when he took it off and handed it to me ocho i wouldn't put it right on the hat right because i know where it was supposed to be

Speaker 13 The car heel is supposed to be able to hang the hat on what, Ocho? Defense. Yeah.

Speaker 21 You got the greatest defense of mine and his son hold on hold on honk lt listen you got you got the greatest defense of mind right when he was with the patriots he was the greatest defensive mind but he also had the tools out there on the field to be able to execute everything he everything he he brought to his mind yes but now you're at the collegiate level you you might have still need horses to run

Speaker 21 hey listen that the

Speaker 13 they didn't stop

Speaker 13 and you got to have the talent there you have to have the talent

Speaker 21 you got to

Speaker 21 You can't have a beautiful mind with a 10 cent finish.

Speaker 13 Right.

Speaker 12 They didn't stop nothing.

Speaker 13 LT,

Speaker 13 Ojo, you guys remember we used to be in the game and some of the defense, watch the run, watch the pass. Yeah, but you can't stop either one of them.
So it don't matter what we do.

Speaker 13 You're right. We're going to do one or the other, but you can't stop either one.

Speaker 13 That was the tar heels tonight. They couldn't stop anything.
Guy had one carry, 28 yards, 11 carries a buck 13 with a 75 yard a touchdown seven carries for 28 yards i mean 35 for 258.

Speaker 12 i'm like bro are y'all gonna um talk about the receiver the receiver had what 10 catches for 11 for 100 something yards

Speaker 12 yes sir

Speaker 12 yes sir

Speaker 12 they didn't stop nothing nothing so to your point like they gotta hang they had on something like that's that's bill belichick's mo you know to be able to take something away and tonight they didn't have the horses to be able to take anything.

Speaker 13 Yeah,

Speaker 13 and in horse racing, look, a good friend of mine, Bob Baffert, he trained two Triple Crown winners, American Pharaoh and Justify.

Speaker 13 But at the end of the day, yeah, that plays a role, but he had the Pharaoh breds to run. So whether you're Westerso, D.
Wayne Lucas, you'll McGay Heat, Bob Baffert, it does not matter.

Speaker 13 If you do not have horses to run, you cannot win significant races. In football, look, and I don't take anything away from Andy Reed and all these great coaches, but you got to have players.

Speaker 13 At the end of the day, it is the gems and the Joes. It ain't no X's and O's because you can have all the minds you want to.

Speaker 13 It's the Jims and the Joes that's going to determine how good those X's and O's actually are.

Speaker 21 Every time.

Speaker 13 Every time. But

Speaker 13 not a great start. to Coach Belichick's college career, college coaching career.

Speaker 13 They lose at home 48 to 14.

Speaker 13 And outside of that opening drive, drive, that game really wasn't close. And

Speaker 13 they took a knee in a goal-to-go situation, or they could have had a

Speaker 13 family, a party style nugget, a 50 piece on them.

Speaker 21 Yeah. They're going to be all right, though.

Speaker 21 They're going to be all right.

Speaker 21 They're going to be all right.

Speaker 13 I don't know if they're going to be all right this year.

Speaker 21 Yeah, no,

Speaker 21 they're going to have some ups and downs, but they're going to compete. They're going to compete.

Speaker 21 Bill is the type of coach that even if you're losing, even with losses like tonight, even with losses like tonight, that's the type of coach you still want to do everything you can for to only not only appease him, but to prove the doubt is wrong.

Speaker 21 All those that are going to be talking trash, because

Speaker 21 you know what the media are going to do.

Speaker 21 They're going to rip him to shreds. They was waiting for an opportunity like this, waiting to see what the debut looks like.
And then you go out there and lose.

Speaker 21 The players, they're going to step up. They're going to step up.
They're not going to fold.

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Speaker 13 Y'all keep talking about the SEC is dead, but the top, that's four of the top 10 players right there that from that conference. Patrick Mahomes was number five.
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Speaker 13 I don't know if y'all noticed, but six of the top 10 from the SEC. But that conference is dead.

Speaker 13 Number three is Josh Allen. Number two, Lamar Jackson.

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Speaker 13 and the number one player voted by his peers oh cho

Speaker 13 Saquon Barkley oh my bad

Speaker 13 Saquon

Speaker 13 any surprise any surprises are you surprised

Speaker 13 uh uh LT Ocho are you surprised that Saquon beat out Josh Allen and Lamar to be the number one player in the NFL this season voted on by his peers

Speaker 21 LT

Speaker 13 I'm a

Speaker 12 i'm a bit surprised uh so am i because because we're living in a world where it's all about the quarterback and we know that and rightfully so i mean josh allen is the reigning mvp okay so you would think that um you know he would get the most votes from his peers and even beyond josh allen lamar jackson with the type of season he had last year man he had one of the top seasons from any quarterback in history you hear me so you know i'm I'm very surprised.

Speaker 12 I mean, Saquon obviously had a spectacular year and, you know, got close to the rushing record of a single season, but he didn't get it.

Speaker 12 And so, you know, that holds way that he didn't get it, but he did win the Super Bowl. So I think players at the end of the day are giving him credit for being, you know, going over 2,000 yards and.

Speaker 12 winning the Super Bowl championship and being the catalyst for

Speaker 12 that Eagles.

Speaker 13 And offensive player of the year.

Speaker 12 That's right. And I think that had a lot to do with it.
Look,

Speaker 12 I think he deserves it. Saquon has really elevated the running back position, the value, the value of the running back position.
So hands down, I salute Saquon, man, for being the number one player.

Speaker 13 Respect.

Speaker 13 And we've talked more about the running back position. in

Speaker 13 24 and leading to 25 than we have at any point in time in the last decade, guys, because of what we saw with Derrick Henry, what we saw with Saquon Barkley, what we saw with a Josh Jacobs, what we saw with Joe Mixon.

Speaker 13 There were a lot of running backs like, hold on, Jonathan Taylor, hold on. They still got some.

Speaker 12 Jameer Gibbs, Jameer Gibbs.

Speaker 13 Jameer Gibbs.

Speaker 13 So they're trying to say, look, there is still value when used correctly. So y'all want to put them behind, y'all want to put them behind

Speaker 13 no quarterback. So-so offensive line.
Look at all these guys that we mentioned. Saquon Barkley, look at his quarterback, look at his offensive line.

Speaker 13 Derrick Henry, look at his quarterback, look at his offensive line. Joe Mixon, look at his quarterback, look at his offensive line.
Gibbs, look at his quarterback, look at his offensive line.

Speaker 13 Josh Jacobs, look at his quarterback. You see a real current theme here?

Speaker 13 But see,

Speaker 13 but when a quarterback doesn't succeed, boy, they make every excuse in the world. Now all of a sudden, the running back knows to see, oh, man, he over the heel.
There ain't no value in him.

Speaker 13 Nah, you're right. Ain't nobody running behind that ain't got no line.

Speaker 13 And if i sit my defense and your quarterback can't beat me i am not going to let your running back beat me you saw what the chiefs tried to do in the super bowl guys they said we are not letting saquan beat us josh uh uh jalen hurt says okay you know what i don't drink no beer but hold this ginger ale i got something for y'all i got something for y'all go ahead oh joe are you surprised to see saquan at the top you got two backs yeah in the top 10 top 10 yeah most definitely i i wasn't surprised at all obviously saquan is a a tier one back and those tier one backs are the reason why the value of the running back position is now prevalent because of players like Saquon, obviously being in the perfect situation, Eagles offensive line.

Speaker 21 And he's one of the reasons why they were able to reach the Super Bowl, actually take them over the hump and getting back to the Super Bowl. Obviously, we have to give credit to their defense as well.

Speaker 21 But

Speaker 21 Josh Allen had a great season. Lamar Jackson had a great season, but I think...

Speaker 21 the number one spot was given to Saquon, not with just his play on the field, but what he does also off the field. And the fact that he was able to win a ring was the cherry on top.

Speaker 21 So it was a no-brainer as far as your peers picking him as number one.

Speaker 13 Yeah.

Speaker 13 So Saquon Barkley voted by his peers as the number one player in the NFL in the top 100. Lamar Jackson was second.
Lamar Jackson was second last year. Josh Allen's number three.

Speaker 13 I think he was outside of the top 10. Jamar Chase was way down.
He's number four. Patrick Mahomes was number four last year.
He's number five.

Speaker 21 Whoa, what you mean, way down?

Speaker 13 I think he was 35 last year, Ocho.

Speaker 12 Chase was. Yeah,

Speaker 12 he was, yeah.

Speaker 21 Oh, I thought you said way down.

Speaker 13 No, no, no. I was saying compared to where he was last year.

Speaker 13 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Lamar was two last year.
I think Josh Allen was 12. I think Jamar Chase was like 35.
Patrick Mahomes was four. Joe Burrow was a little outside of the top 20, I think.

Speaker 13 Derrick Henry, Miles Garrett. Miles Garrett was number five.
Justin Jefferson had coming off that sensational year. He got in.
I think he got Nick, but Justin Jefferson has been a top player.

Speaker 13 he's been Mr. Consistent, and you know, defensive player of the year, Patrick Sartain.

Speaker 13 Um, but I think with mainly with Saquon and Derrick Henry, what they were able to do: one guy went for 2,000, the other guy went for 1921.

Speaker 13 First time a guy that's rushed for 1,900 yards didn't win the rushing title. So, that just goes to show you how well the other guy played.

Speaker 13 Because normally, LT, you get 1,900 yards, you're like, Yeah, I got that rushing, I got that big in the bag. Yeah,

Speaker 12 what absolutely, and let's keep this in mind, guys. The easiest way to win games is still running the football.

Speaker 12 I mean, because you take away the chances of turning it over and crazy things happening when you can run the football and impose your will, you know, cut down on the game.

Speaker 12 You help your defense and all that kind of stuff. So I think at the end of the day, that's why we're starting to see just a little shift.

Speaker 12 I'm not saying we're going completely back to when you went when we're not early.

Speaker 13 No, no, no, no. Not 90 to 30, 2000.
We ain't going to never get back there.

Speaker 12 No, we ain't going to never get back there. But I think there is more teams that's starting to focus on

Speaker 12 the run game a little bit more to control games, especially when you have a young quarterback or a quarterback who can manage things at the line of scrimmage, like all the ones you mentioned, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, all those guys that have good running backs as well.

Speaker 13 Well, it's not going back because you see where these quarterback salaries are going. You're about to have a quarterback making 70 million.

Speaker 13 You're not paying the guy $70 million to turn around and hand it to a guy that's making 10 million. That ain't happening.

Speaker 13 We're paying you 70 million to throw it to a guy that's making 40.

Speaker 13 So that's why you're never going to see. And plus, why would you? Because guess what? I can get a rough in the passer.
I can get an illegal contact. I can get unnecessary roughness.

Speaker 13 I got so many things that can go right if I just throw the football. You see, D.

Speaker 12 But you're still putting that $70 million quarterback in jeopardy if you got a defense that's hidden. Yeah.

Speaker 13 But for $70 million, i'm in jeopardy

Speaker 21 you see what josh allen you see what josh allen just got this offseason lt 330 million with a quarter of a billy guaranteed but you know you got to think about too huh you got to remember this nfair too lt this is this is the passing league and yes running backs that can take that time off the clock that can get the defense of wrestling on the sideline it's only a handful of them

Speaker 21 it's only a handful of them bulls like they can really carry that whole offense on their back where you don't even have to throw the ball when it comes to crunch time and you want to buy some time and take some time off the clock.

Speaker 21 There's only a few now.

Speaker 13 Oh, yeah. There's only there's only a handful of guys.
I remember when Peyton Manning came to the Broncos, I mean, he was the high, he got like 96 million for five years.

Speaker 13 I mean, just think about that. Just

Speaker 13 and what?

Speaker 13 For the longest time,

Speaker 13 25 million was pretty good money for what was great money for a quarterback. And then it went to 30.
And then they were like, no, 30 ain't nothing.

Speaker 13 Now you had $60 million.

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 13 $60 million. And guess what? LT, we know this, Ocho.
They're going to add another game. Oh, yeah.
It's going to be 18 games.

Speaker 13 I give it five years. They're going to add another playoff game, too.
That's coming.

Speaker 13 Because

Speaker 13 YouTube, YouTube wants in on this action. They want to become a network.
In the only way to become a network, you got to have live sporting events, mainly the NFL.

Speaker 13 Guess who else want to get in on that?

Speaker 13 Netflix, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, Amazon, Amazon, Amazon said, you know, I look, I we love that Thursday night package, we really do, guys. We don't want you to think we're greedy, but we are.

Speaker 13 We like Black Friday football, that Friday game after Thanksgiving.

Speaker 13 But I mean, we could really use a package,

Speaker 13 and you're talking about somebody that's sitting on hordes of cash, somebody that's sitting on 30, 40, 50, 100 billion in cash. And the one thing,

Speaker 13 money talk, cash screams.

Speaker 13 So

Speaker 13 we're going to see what's happening, but it's coming. It's coming.

Speaker 13 What was it? He said, Coach, what you call him said by 2025,

Speaker 13 he close.

Speaker 13 They wanted to be a $20 billion industry. They're close.

Speaker 13 2030? Absolutely. It's going to be $25, $30 billion a year.
Easy.

Speaker 12 So

Speaker 12 let's sit with that one for a minute because I got a question. Okay, so that means that the season is going to have to be prolonged a little bit because the players are going to want another

Speaker 21 two bye weeks.

Speaker 13 We used to have two bye weeks, LT, before you got in the league. Back in the mid-90s, you had two bye weeks.

Speaker 21 Yeah, we had two, yeah, in the 90s.

Speaker 13 Yeah,

Speaker 13 you had two bye.

Speaker 13 You got to have it. But, oh, Joe,

Speaker 13 LT, man, they're going to be playing the Super Bowl on goddamn St. Patrick's Day.
Right, right, exactly.

Speaker 12 And that's what I'm thinking.

Speaker 13 Because you started after Labor Day. If you got two bye weeks, think about it.
You already at the second week. You already at the second week in what's come.
So now if you add another

Speaker 13 playoff game,

Speaker 13 you're going to be damn near St. Patty's Day.

Speaker 13 You damn sure have the President's Day in February. You're going to be the third.
Hey, you're going to be the third week, fourth week.

Speaker 13 Well, there's only four weeks in February anyway, but you might be playing on leap year.

Speaker 13 But that's what the money is because what else can you do?

Speaker 13 The only thing thing you can do is give them another game There ain't nothing else you can do in the game within the game You can only give them an additional game to create additional revenue revenue.

Speaker 13 Yeah, and these owners the one thing we know about them They can know you can never that's one thing you've never heard somebody say people have said I got too many pairs of shoes.

Speaker 13 I got too many too many too much jewelry. I got too many cars.
I got too many homes. Name the person that's ever said, man, I got too much money.
Yeah, you're right. But listen, this is

Speaker 21 also even, you got to remember, too, if they are adding the game, even no matter how long it is, if the season goes in the second, third week of February, the players understand they're getting a bigger piece of the pie, too.

Speaker 21 They're getting a bigger piece of the pie. Now, we don't know what it's going to look like yet.

Speaker 13 All I want that pie, Ocho. I don't want any, don't franchise me, no franchise tags.

Speaker 13 I want lifetime.

Speaker 13 If I get 10 years in the league,

Speaker 13 LT, Ocho, I want lifetime health benefits.

Speaker 13 That should be a bare minimum

Speaker 13 lt that should be a bare minimum because let's just say for the sake of argument you get health insurance for five years after you retire yes the average career is about two and a half to three years okay you retire at 25

Speaker 13 bruh you ain't gonna have no illness not nothing really major some at 30 you need that issue 65

Speaker 13 down the road yes

Speaker 13 i mean you can you can you know you can prolong it you can take the uh the five years anytime you want to but but at 30 from 25 to 30 nah nah nah nah i won't if i get 10 years i want lifetime health benefits i want and guess what i don't want you to be able to franchise me yeah no and all this well they got to pick one or the other you know how this i want both of them oh sure you know how this works You got to come to the table and the owners are going to tell you you're going to get one thing.

Speaker 12 Which one do you want? Do you want lifetime benefits?

Speaker 13 well then that's what we're gonna we're gonna work out a deal to make what i say you get one and then the players gonna have i say i tell you what you get one you want an extra regular season game or an extra playoff game you get one

Speaker 13 hey

Speaker 21 hey listen player the players got one person on lt that'll fight for them one person you put me in you put me in position of power to represent the players i'm gonna get us lifetime benefits no franchise tag

Speaker 21 and what's the other one guaranteed contracts that's my three hey listen

Speaker 21 hey i'm telling you lt i'm telling you once i put that suit on once i put that suit and that tie on and you put me in the right room and i flip that switch boy it's a wrap

Speaker 13 but uh they they the players have got to get something but they bargained for petty privileges way back when lt because i see you bargaining talking about well i don't want to do two a days well i don't want to put the pads on but so many times during the course of the year bro you played a game of football, you play tackle football, but you don't want to tackle?

Speaker 13 Yeah, yeah, so you bargain for credit privileges. Go look at what Roger Goodell bargained for.

Speaker 13 Look at what they bargained for. Different.
Now, Roger Cadell ain't taking no hits. He got lifetime medical.
He gets used to the jet.

Speaker 13 You see what he bargains? You see the difference between bargaining, what I'm bargaining for, and what you're bargaining for? He wants benefits.

Speaker 21 They think a long-term, too.

Speaker 13 Even though he's making $30, $40 million a year, he wants someone else to pay for those lifetime benefits

Speaker 13 but um why do you think i mean think about it why as players the current players why aren't they thinking about lifetime benefits why isn't that an area of focus i'm not i'm not going to get a debilitating illness i'm not going to get anything that's going to disrupt what i've already got I remember, and I'm not going to call anybody's name because I was in the league when free agency actually happened with LT.

Speaker 13 And there are a lot of guys. Man, you give me a million dollars.
damn them benefits. I buy my own health insurance.
Now, I ain't telling what somebody told you. I'm telling you what I know.

Speaker 13 Because I was in the league when the Reggie White and the Self-Jordan, when they filed that petition and it came and we got free agency. And that's what a lot of guys say.

Speaker 13 You give me a million dollars. You give me $2 million.

Speaker 13 I buy my own health care.

Speaker 12 And that's my point, Arc. That's my point.
Because most players feel like that. We invest.
Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 12 We never think about what's going to happen, you know, after we retire 10 15 years after we retire we never think about that we are warriors that's we only think about what's happening now and getting as much money as possible for us to live off of and see what happens

Speaker 13 you get a situation where you get a divorce or you have a couple of kids outside and next thing you know 5,000 10 000 15 000 a month the wife take halves she takes half your pension so now you're half the person that you went into the relationship with Now, long term, because if somebody would have told me when I was 25, 30, 35, 40 that I was going to have both of my hips replaced, I wouldn't have believed it.

Speaker 13 So now you're talking about $125,000 surgery per

Speaker 13 okay. You get, I mean, some of these cancer drugs, you're talking about $30,000, $40,000 a month.

Speaker 13 Whoa, a month, a month,

Speaker 13 a month, a month.

Speaker 13 Yes. So, like, LT, to your point, LT, we don't think,

Speaker 13 we think we're invincible. And things that

Speaker 13 happen to normal citizens that didn't play in the NFL, that ain't going to happen to us.

Speaker 13 We're not going to become a burden. We're not going to have Alzheimer's.
We're not going to have dementia. We're not going to suffer Lou Garris.
We're not going to suffer things. That is a stress.

Speaker 13 When you have to have 24-hour care, boy, that, hey, boy,

Speaker 13 that'll eat up a savings.

Speaker 13 And so

Speaker 13 you don't think about things like that. But I wish the players would think, give it more, more consideration when they think long-term, say, like, you know what?

Speaker 13 Okay.

Speaker 13 Yeah.

Speaker 13 But a lot of, and plus, guys,

Speaker 13 other sports, they think about the guys that's coming after them.

Speaker 13 You see, Kurt Flood, he never benefited for free agency. Cost him his career, but everybody else that did.
You see, nobody is willing to to risk anything that might cost them.

Speaker 13 And the thing is, Ocho, and I told LT, I told Ocho this: sometimes you got to plant a tree, realizing that you're not going to benefit from the shade it produces.

Speaker 13 Sometimes you got to fight for something

Speaker 13 that you're not going to be the benefit of what you're actually fighting for.

Speaker 13 Think about all the people in the 60s that fought for civil rights, that never got a chance.

Speaker 12 Come on now.

Speaker 13 That never got a chance to

Speaker 13 go to

Speaker 13 a

Speaker 13 non-segregated place.

Speaker 13 That never got an opportunity to do anything but sit in the back.

Speaker 13 That never got an opportunity to see a black president. That never got an opportunity to some of the things that we get afforded.

Speaker 13 Sometimes you have to be willing to sacrifice some things for the betterment of everything.

Speaker 13 And I don't think enough people people think of it like that.

Speaker 12 Well said, huh? Well said. My grandfather worked in the cotton field

Speaker 12 so that I could be living in this house right now.

Speaker 13 Yeah,

Speaker 13 you know? We didn't pick

Speaker 13 my uncles and aunt, my uncles, my mom, my uncles, older uncles, because they were born, they were born in the 40s. So they, you know, they picked cotton.
My grandmother, my mom is the oldest girl.

Speaker 13 So my grandmother was still having kids, the oldest girl, what she had to do, take care of the boy, take care of the other kids until they got big enough to get their ass in the cotton field right my grandma pregnant and still picking cotton

Speaker 13 my grandfather was dipping dipping tar unless you're from the size you probably don't know what that is but he was dipping tar

Speaker 13 so it it was it was a it was a different way back there a few weeks out

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Speaker 13 Rather than rewarding running backs for production once their rookie contract expire, as happened at almost every position, the NFL's 1991 MVP, My Dog Thurman Thomas, is upset that teams are instead letting them go and moving on to the next younger, cheaper player.

Speaker 13 You still deserve a contract. The first team has to put you through hell yet.
I'm still ready to go. Haven't had any injuries.
Now give me my damn money, Thurm told the Associated Press.

Speaker 13 With such a turnover, it's a reason why only three running backs, Barkley, McCaffrey, and Henry, are averaging 15 million per

Speaker 13 this season as compared to 26 wide receivers. It's not even the receiver money.
It's like we're hanging with the punters and the kickers. You're right.

Speaker 13 They're looking at it like, oh Joe,

Speaker 13 the best years on the tie of a car is when it's brand new.

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 13 You drive that car all over the city. You put 50,000 miles on the car.
Them tires ain't the same.

Speaker 13 That's how they look at running backs, LT. That's how they look at y'all.
They're like, LT, hold on. LT, we gave you the ball 270 times and you caught 100 passes.
That's 370 touches, LT.

Speaker 13 And you did that one, two, three, four.

Speaker 21 Oh, yeah, no, no, no, no, no, yeah, that's how they think, you know, but but listen, but the Thurman Thomas's point, that's how they think with the tier two and below running backs.

Speaker 21 The tier ones are the ones that are still making the big money, not as much as the receivers, not as much nowhere near the quarterbacks, but the tier ones that could change your whole offense, your tier ones to LT's point, that can kill that time and let your defense rest for a little bit, especially in garbage time when when it's time to end a game.

Speaker 21 It's only a few. It's only a handful of those.
That's why it's only a handful. Make 12, 13, 14, what? Damn near 20.
Who made 20

Speaker 13 to make 20? Guys, to Thurman's point,

Speaker 13 where does Saquon Barkley have to do to go get that money? Was it with the Giants or was it with someone else?

Speaker 13 Where did Derrick Henry have to go, Ocho, to get that money? Was it with the Titans or was it with the Ravens? And remember, last year, he played on $8 million deal. He had two years for $16 million.

Speaker 21 Oh, but they came back. They came back to him.

Speaker 13 Yes.

Speaker 13 So really, the only guy that's ever gotten money at the running back position, you've got to go back to Zeke.

Speaker 13 And Zeke was probably the one that really hurt because he was never the same after he got that money. And

Speaker 13 everybody looked at Zeke and they said, hold on. Look at that offensive line he got.
He got...

Speaker 13 two for show Hall of Famers, a potential Hall of Famer that retired, the center retired because he's like, I don't want to do it anymore. And Zeke just stepped off a cliff.
Yards per game went down.

Speaker 13 Yards per carry get down.

Speaker 21 Don't remember, he hurt his knee, too. He hurt his knee real bad.

Speaker 13 He didn't hurt his knee every year, Ocho.

Speaker 12 But see, but see, this is how you solve that.

Speaker 12 For one, the running backs that are game-changing, the guys that can hit a home run from any spot on the field, that can catch the ball and do everything, they're going to be the ones that have to change the game.

Speaker 12 And when I say change the game, guys, I'm meaning sign shorter deals

Speaker 12 strike when the iron is hot running backs two or three year deals you know if if because think about it most running backs they can perform and and and perform at a high level early in their career like it doesn't take long for them to you know kind of get become a staple in the offense and get going and become one of the top at their positions it don't take long so why can't you come back to the table after two and three years and then sign a shorter deal a two-year deal two-year let's say two-year 50 million oh you ain't gonna get that ocho that's

Speaker 13 i mean

Speaker 13 let me take let me let me tell you why they're not gonna do it ocho i mean uh lt because in order for me to give you a big signing bonus i need to prorate it over the life of the contract So even if I, if you want a two-year deal, let's just say, oh, LT, you want a two-year deal for $40 million.

Speaker 13 And I want to give you, I want to give you, I say I give you $20 million to sign. Well, I only get to pro rate that over two years.
So now that's 10.

Speaker 13 So let's just say for the sake of argument, I give you 2 million. So I give you 2 million.
That's 12 million. And guess what?

Speaker 13 Now that's 28 million. That's 30.
Your next, that next year is 38 million cap here. They're not going to let that happen.
So, and plus, when you're a running back and you had

Speaker 13 your first round draft pick, I got you for three years. Five years.

Speaker 13 I got you for five. Now, if I'm nice,

Speaker 13 if I'm nice and you on time and you haven't been injured, I'll do the deal after three. But if not, I know I got a fourth year, a fifth year option, and two franchise tags.

Speaker 13 So I got you for seven years and I ain't got to do nothing.

Speaker 21 That's nasty work.

Speaker 13 It is after all.

Speaker 21 That's that Jerry Jones work you're talking about right now.

Speaker 21 The next running back that's going to hit, that's going to hit big, and there won't be any question about it.

Speaker 21 There won't be, we don't really value the running back position because we know what you can get.

Speaker 21 One of the few players, one of the few running backs in the NFL that can hit the head off the goalpost from anywhere on the field, that's brother, that's Brother Jameer Gibbs down in Detroit. Yep.

Speaker 21 Oh, he, he, I'm talking about he going, he's going north of 17, 18.

Speaker 12 Oh, absolutely. B.

Speaker 13 John Robinson is going to get paid too.

Speaker 13 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 21 Okay. Yeah.
That's another.

Speaker 12 They got to go above 20, though, guys. Like, in order to reset the market.

Speaker 12 for future guys in their position that everybody ain't gonna get that we know that everybody's not gonna get that but the special ones they gotta get that you can't 20 that how much

Speaker 13 that they did this for saquan because think about it guys he got a 50 million dollar quarterback you got a 50 million dollar quarterback you got a 202 you got a 30 million a 30 million dollar receiver a 28 million dollar receiver yeah yeah and you got a 20 million dollar running back

Speaker 13 and you got look at lane johnson what he make look at what my lotto make look at what dickersons make they paying. Yeah.

Speaker 13 They just redid

Speaker 13 Braun.

Speaker 13 You know, you got to see that man child in the middle, Jalen Carter. You got to see him.
You got two guys on the edge that in another year, you're going to have to see one of them.

Speaker 21 Listen, Jalen Carter is going to reset the whole market.

Speaker 13 Yeah.

Speaker 13 At every position.

Speaker 13 Well, I don't know if he's, I don't think you're going to catch Micah, but the number,

Speaker 13 CJ,

Speaker 13 Chris Jones, Stone Cold Jones for the Kansas City Chiefs, he's at 31 and a half for DT. So he's way over everybody else at the DT position.

Speaker 21 Yeah, most definitely.

Speaker 13 You're talking about a guy that's 24, 25, but he don't realize how good he can be.

Speaker 13 He still don't know how good he can be.

Speaker 21 Yeah, you know why he's

Speaker 21 not going to catch Micah? Or he might not,

Speaker 21 he's going to overlap, he's going to overleap Chris Jones. Yes.

Speaker 21 Because Howie. And Jeffrey always pay early.
They're not going to wait.

Speaker 21 They're not going to wait. They're going to pay early.
You're not gonna turn it down.

Speaker 13 And plus, Ocho, the sacks. DT, don't like I said, uh, the thing is, what spoiled us was Aaron Donald.
Donald, yeah, because D tackles not supposed to get 20 sacks, LT.

Speaker 13 They're not supposed to be getting 15 sacks. You stop the run, give us about seven or eight sacks.

Speaker 13 We have it, we have

Speaker 21 it, be disruptive.

Speaker 13 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 13 But

Speaker 13 I agree.

Speaker 13 But really, the only guy you got to, for the longest time, nobody even approached Christian Kristen McCaffrey's that 15 and Zeke's 15 for years.

Speaker 13 It wasn't until Kristen McCaffrey got a new deal from the 49ers that leapfrogged.

Speaker 13 And then, because remember,

Speaker 13 the Giants didn't want to do anything with Saquon. They made him play on the franchise tag.
And then they ended up letting him go. And when he let him go, he still didn't get past the 15.

Speaker 13 It wasn't until 2,000 yards. It wasn't until offensive player of the year that he got, he broke the $20 million barrier.
Think about it. Derrick Henry, he was on an $8 to $10 million a year contract.

Speaker 13 So he goes for 19, 21 and 16, 17 touchdowns before they finally put him at the 15.

Speaker 13 So somebody going to, hey, in order to break the, to leap from Saquon, boy, you're going to have to have an LT season. 32 touchdowns, offensive player of the year, MVP.

Speaker 13 LT, if you want somebody to get 25 million, they're going to have to pee the season. Cause LT had damn 1,900 yards, 30-plus touchdowns.

Speaker 13 He caught another 50 passes for another 500 yards, unless you're going to have a season like LT had. Yeah.

Speaker 21 LT, that was the 05 season, right? When y'all came and played us?

Speaker 13 No, it was 06.

Speaker 13 Yeah, the 06 was

Speaker 12 played y'all. Y'all jumped up on us.

Speaker 13 I think it was like 21.

Speaker 12 Golly, that thing was rocking.

Speaker 13 I don't know what happened.

Speaker 21 We lost, man.

Speaker 13 Would y'all just go ahead and and walk them down there though, LT?

Speaker 13 We just walked them down.

Speaker 12 Hey, they over there dancing. Hey, we on the sideline clapping at them.

Speaker 13 Like, okay.

Speaker 12 They good. It's first quarter.
Y'all did good.

Speaker 13 LT, when you look around the league today and there's a lot of running back, what running back reminds you of yourself?

Speaker 12 Man, that's a good one.

Speaker 12 I mean, you know, I see traces of myself in different running backs, you know. Like, I think when I think about the jump cut, you know, the balance, the spin and stuff, say Kwan kind of has that

Speaker 12 low center of

Speaker 12 gravity, being able to bounce from hole to hole and then hit the whole explosiveness. But when I think about like coming out the backfield, you know, I came out the backfield a lot.

Speaker 12 Gibby, man, Gibby coming out that back. Because

Speaker 12 here's the thing that people misunderstand. When you coming out the backfield, you got to come out fast.

Speaker 12 You can't can't come out tipping yeah looking you got to come out running man you know and so because there's matchups it's either going to be a safety or a linebacker on you most of the time so come out running scare the daylights out of them and then cut off of them you know what i mean that's what gibby does do so well so i i think those two i mean there's a little bit christian mccaffrey some things that he does as well man

Speaker 12 Yeah, those are the guys.

Speaker 21 I don't think people understand how difficult the running back position is when it it comes to those tier one running backs lt like like you jameer give saquon

Speaker 13 derrick henry is a little bit different he does he's not like you guys from the no no no he's the old school bail cap he's an old school

Speaker 21 yeah yeah but you or jameer give for example and you too lt being able to get the ball and be at be fast being able to come come to balance

Speaker 21 And being able to re-accelerate right then and there and being able to set linebackers up, set safeties up, still make a move, and not move, and not lose any, not momentum, but uh, what's the word?

Speaker 21 No wasted movement. That's what I'm looking for.
No wasting movement. Everything, everything in one, in one, in one transaction, in one transition.

Speaker 13 Everybody can't do that, man. I told a man, stop letting the LT run that damn Texas route on y'all.
Knock his ass down. He can't do it up and look across y'all damn face.

Speaker 13 He's gonna run the flat, he's gonna come up and make you think he's gonna run Texas across your face, or he's gonna break it out on your ass and haul ass on you. Man, knock him down.
down. Hey,

Speaker 12 I got to a point, though, you know, where they allow me to stay up that seam.

Speaker 13 If you, if you,

Speaker 13 if you, you know,

Speaker 12 if you stay, if you stayed inside, I just stay in that seam. I did Denver like that up in Mile High one time.
Yeah, you can't went by 70 on.

Speaker 13 You caught us up. We played y'all.
I think that was my,

Speaker 13 I think that might have been my first year back.

Speaker 13 My first year back in Denver, where you hit her for like 200 and had 10 catches.

Speaker 13 I'm like,

Speaker 13 where did he come from?

Speaker 13 Man, it's

Speaker 13 like

Speaker 13 the running back position now, LT, you see a lot of guys, because a lot of teams run a two-back system. That's not what you had.
You were old school, tight end, fullback in front of you,

Speaker 13 low-knail, leading the way.

Speaker 13 Yeah, leading the way.

Speaker 13 That's what you had. In today's game, it's more of a two-back system

Speaker 13 how different

Speaker 13 is lt's career if he had to split if he had to split reps

Speaker 12 what do you mean if i had to i wouldn't do it

Speaker 12 i i wouldn't do it like no i was i was selfish i ain't coming out the game dog you know what i'm saying and that was part of the reason why like i prided myself on being able to do everything

Speaker 12 so you didn't have to say oh he can't he can't block or he can't run this route or he can't catch. I prided myself on that.
And I wanted to take every rep.

Speaker 12 I was just that competitive because I believe if I was on the sideline, something was going to happen that, you know, like I couldn't control. So I couldn't do it today, man.

Speaker 12 And here's the other thing. Like when you're the bell cow guy, you're thinking the long call, huh? Ojo.
You're thinking, okay, in the fourth quarter is when I really got to get going.

Speaker 12 Let me, you know, let me get my yards.

Speaker 12 i'm gonna step out of bounds here and there you know what i'm saying i'm gonna save myself but in the fourth quarter when them boys a little bit time will give them the stiff arm you know i'm saying i'm gonna run through a couple of tackles that's when because that was something that marty schottenheimer instilled in me and pose your will throughout the game i i mean i hear it playing in my mind like yesterday that was something he always said and we live by it

Speaker 13 Yeah, y'all, I mean,

Speaker 13 you went to the perfect situation because Marty's gonna going to run the football. Marty going to run it.

Speaker 13 Marty going to put that ball in your belly, LT. That's what Marty going to do.

Speaker 12 Hey, but here's the thing, though, y'all. So in college, think about it.
I was a perimeter runner.

Speaker 12 Like, you know, I was a sweep guy, you know, get on the perimeter, do my thing. Man, when I first got to San Diego and Marty came in, he started talking about running power and going down the A gap.

Speaker 12 Hey, I used to bounce that thing so much that Joe used to get mad. He used to get stay in the A gap, stay trusted.
I'm like, Coach, ain't nothing.

Speaker 13 I gotta bounce it, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 12 But I had to learn, man.

Speaker 12 I had to learn how to be an inside runner. I didn't want to embrace it at first, but I'm glad I did.
Man, it did make me a better, obviously, a better hell.

Speaker 13 Y'all running that power, y'all pulling guard tackle, and damn little Low Neal. Hell, you kick it out, pin it down.
And then here come Lol Neal up in the hole on the linebacker.

Speaker 13 Now you one-on-one with the safety.

Speaker 21 Zoe gonna clear it out every time.

Speaker 13 Hey, them old school, them old school fullbacks like Sam Gash. I played with

Speaker 13 Gasher and Low Neal. They come with bad intentions.
Head first. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 13 Neck roll it off.

Speaker 12 Hey, Lowe used to say, Hey, before the play, you say, Hey, daddy, get on my hip and don't dip.

Speaker 13 Let's go. That's what he used to do.

Speaker 13 Hey, they scared of Lil Neil, man. Low.
Hey, give Low Neil like one carry a game on 31.

Speaker 12 you good yeah yeah you good you good he bought

Speaker 13 hey he bought he bought in lt man you look like you done you done lost some weight damn you done trim down

Speaker 12 oh oh cho man i'm on this intermittent fasting oh no you know

Speaker 12 yeah man i get my workouts every day man

Speaker 21 I feel good, man.

Speaker 13 I'm at planning.

Speaker 13 Yeah,

Speaker 13 LT, you might be on the 200, LT.

Speaker 12 What you about about 210. I'm about 210.

Speaker 21 And you need to come holler at your boy. You know, I'm a nutritionist right now.
I'm a nutritionist.

Speaker 21 What that die like, you know, the same thing I ate when I played.

Speaker 13 McDonald's.

Speaker 13 Hey, LT, don't worry about it.

Speaker 21 You know, 11 NFL teams already hired me to help with that nutrition so the player stopped getting hurt. No more, none of that soft tissue injury, no non-contact, no, none of that.

Speaker 21 None of that's happening.

Speaker 12 No, you charge it too much. I'll choose, you know, I'm on a budget now.

Speaker 21 Hey, LT, I charge $20 a week. That ain't nothing.

Speaker 13 That's still too much.

Speaker 12 I'll mess with you. $10, I'll mess with you.

Speaker 13 Hey,

Speaker 13 LT, so what time do you eat your first meal?

Speaker 13 About one o'clock.

Speaker 13 So you get all your meals in between, what, one and seven, one and eight?

Speaker 12 One and eight. Yeah.

Speaker 13 One and eight, man. So you're going about 14 to 16 hours fasting.

Speaker 12 Yep. Yep.

Speaker 13 I do.

Speaker 13 So when do you work out? You work out in the morning? So you're working out on the empty stomach.

Speaker 13 So you're doing fasting.

Speaker 12 I am. Yeah.
Okay. I am, man.
So I usually work out about nine to 10 o'clock in the morning. I get up early, get the kids off to school, you know, and then,

Speaker 12 you know, I see, I will modify with coffee. So I'll have coffee in the morning by 10 ounces.

Speaker 13 That's it. Damn,

Speaker 13 but do you know how much 10 ounces is?

Speaker 12 10 ounces. Yeah.

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 12 Yeah, about 10 ounces.

Speaker 13 That's a can of coke. A can of coke is 12 ounces.
You got too fewer than that.

Speaker 13 But that coffee run through. You ain't got nothing on your stomach.
Yeah.

Speaker 12 Yeah, I love that coffee, man.

Speaker 12 So then I'll get my workout

Speaker 12 by that time. By that time, you know, it's it's it's around 12 o'clock.
And once I order food or cook food, it's one, it's one o'clock. So, yeah,

Speaker 13 go ahead, go ahead, Ocho.

Speaker 21 I'm gonna say, you smoke cigars,

Speaker 12 yeah, absolutely, yes, sir.

Speaker 12 I got a cigar lounge in my house, oh Joe. What?

Speaker 12 Yes, I got a cigar lounge. Hey, boy, you rich.

Speaker 21 I gotta leave home to go to the cigar bar. He got one in the house.

Speaker 13 Yeah.

Speaker 21 Him and Joe, both of them got properties.

Speaker 13 Nah, my brother goes,

Speaker 13 he go on the back porch. He got no lounge in the house.
He go to the back porch and blow it out.

Speaker 13 Hey, LT, people always ask,

Speaker 13 it was me, you, and Time, and Carissa.

Speaker 13 And we had picked somebody, and I had picked them to win. And Time told me I didn't do that.
And you said, he did. He picked him.
i said time i swear for god and two white men i picked them

Speaker 12 and y'all oh my god

Speaker 13 but they don't really oh lt

Speaker 13 the conversation that we had watching the games me you and time

Speaker 13 yeah i i i i'm glad because this is what kind of what my mind is what i envisioned with nightcap to be was kind of you know we yeah we talk about games but we talk about a lot of other things man

Speaker 13 oh cho i was that was some of my best word lt said man but man lt told me i need to be a comedian say i don't know how why you play football you need to be a damn comedian

Speaker 12 for real dog this man said two white men like why it gotta be two white man like oh they just stakeholders what we talking about

Speaker 13 back then you know back in the day you would lie before them now because it was hell to pay you lie before them

Speaker 13 But man,

Speaker 13 that was some fun times, man. Tom and I talked about that, man.
That was some great times.

Speaker 13 LT, thanks for for joining us man congratulations on the frogs going down to chapel hill 4814 over to tar hills come back and join later this season lt

Speaker 13 i definitely will man

Speaker 13 appreciate it bro have a good one no doubt yep

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