Club Shay Shay - Michael Irvin Part 2

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From where you grew up, how you grew up, high school, feel like you always got to fight.

You get to Dallas.

And Mike, you got everything.

You got everything.

And I tell people at the time, like, no matter how much you have,

you don't think about what you got.

You just think about somebody trying to take advantage of you.

Somebody trying to, what we say, try, you trying to punk me.

Oh, you think because, oh, you bigger than me, you go.

Nah, it ain't gonna work

it don't work like that because because you're not living in your now you're still dealing with your yesterday yes you see it yes you're like and and and you asked me if i about finances that's that's that's what we do in finances we we we we buy out of our pain

We don't think about our purpose.

Our purpose is what we're going to do ahead of us.

Our pain is what's behind us.

So now you get that $5 million sign-in bonus.

And what do you do?

You go spend $2 million on a house.

You go spend another million on your mom's house.

You go spend some money on cars.

Now the $5 million is down to $1 million.

And you ain't paying no taxes.

And you say to yourself, that's all right, though.

I paid mine.

I bought it.

I paid it off.

Because you're dealing with the pain of watching your mom lose her house and watching your cousin lose their house.

So now you made a stupid financial decision by buying it outright when you should have borrowed.

And you know what I mean?

Borrowed your business.

And left that

there and use the interest on that to help pay down which if you see what I mean but we do it out of our yesterday not in a thinking about our tomorrow.

So yeah, you got to be careful dealing in your pain.

And that's what I was doing a lot of times.

Even when I was making it, I was still dealing in my pain.

The trauma from yesterday will show up today.

Yeah, and that's all of us.

You get through that, the 96th season, you get suspended.

I think you got suspended the first five games in 96.

The first five games, yeah.

I remember getting that letter from

Paul Taglabo.

Paul Taglabo

saying, you know, you have enjoyed

the fame and notoriety of playing for one of the biggest and well-known franchises in this league, the Dallas Cowboys.

And for that, we think we should, for that, we should give you one extra an extra game.

so i got five instead of the four right

i was like

damn yeah well wait a minute wait a minute right right

i thought the league was supposed to be about

being fair being fair you'll give everybody the same thing but he was like no we're gonna give you one extra so yeah they gave me a five game vacation that i didn't want but they gave it to me anyway they gave it to me During that time,

I know

just how important, because we wired a lot of light, how important the game of football is.

And when I can't do it, not from my own volition,

something is missing.

Not only is it missing, I'm letting my teammates down because I want my teammates' respect and trust.

I want my coaches' trust.

I want their respect.

I want the fans' appreciation.

I got none of that now.

Who am I?

What actually am I at this very moment when I'm not the playmaker?

Right.

And you know, Shannon, that's why I said I was never the same.

When I got back, it's never the same.

Because I demanded accountability.

And where was I for five games?

I cried on the sideline one time.

Because I realized I couldn't get them back.

You know, we had just won the Super Bowl and all of that went down at the hotel, man.

And

after

like i just you know i wanted to get back that super bowl let's get back to a super bowl so we can celebrate again and have a whole full celebration in the offseason

and i just could never get back i was never the same i was never the same but mike your accountability was on the field you caught the passes you ran the routes you was in shape Yeah, but you felt that what you had done off the field somehow had crept.

And now I can't be the general that stand up in front of you and says, this is what I need because you felt they were going to question you.

That's not what you did.

The authenticity.

The authenticity.

I study a lot of things

and I'm trying to figure out

trying to figure out me.

Excuse me.

Trying to figure out me, you know, because God has blessed me in a great way to have, to accomplish great things and do some things and financially and everything.

And now that I don't have football, I want to make sure I don't mess that up going forward, you know.

I've always said, I mean, no bones about it.

If I wouldn't have had football, I wouldn't have made it, you know.

So

they did that one time.

What would you do if you didn't have football?

And I jokingly said it,

but I don't know if I was all the way joking.

I said, I would probably imprison a dead,

you know, because I'm going to find and try some way to be successful.

And I needed an avenue

to try to go do it.

And football gave me an avenue.

I don't, you know,

I was going to do it.

And if I didn't have that avenue,

Man, I could have gotten in a lot of things to try to get it done.

Could you separate, could you ever understand football was what you did, but not who you were?

Could you ever separate that?

Or was football tied to Michael Irving to Michael Irvin?

I could separate once I got

once I got enough to live, you know, to be real.

Football was the only way out.

There was nobody around you that you saw got out.

The only thing you saw on TV was the football.

That's how you get out.

That's the way you get out.

So

that was it.

There was no other way for me.

That's just no other way.

Now, I graduated.

I got my degree in business.

But,

you know.

I got all of them.

And it's not, I got all of my, my mom told me from the day I was born, dude, from the day I was born.

I'm the 15th or 17th kid.

She said, baby, I was crying when I got pregnant with you.

She said, I was like, I can't have another baby.

I was in church crying.

And God put his arms around me and said, fret not, Pearl.

This is the one that will make your latter days greater than your former days.

My mom told me this every day.

Every day, I swear, every day of my life.

Almost like you were pre-ordained.

Every day of my life, she said.

I remember her opening the refrigerator with nothing in there.

And I don't know how I remember this.

Oh, God, it's my witness.

I don't know how I remember.

But I remember her saying, look at this.

That's all right, baby.

God gave me you.

He told me, you're going to make my latter days better than my former days.

I was on that mission.

I was on that mission.

And, you know.

And I kept telling everybody, I'm on this mission.

I got to get here.

I got to get here.

You know, so football's everything for me.

It allowed me the opportunity to provide for my family even though I got those business degrees you know mining communications it wouldn't have given me that instant help like football did

96 that happened 97 98 your last season 99 yeah you in Philly Ovette Stadium

routine play catch it

get tackle But the first thing hit is your head.

And it kind of pushes your head, jars your head backwards.

Did you know

at the time that it happened that something was wrong?

I knew,

you know,

she's dizzy.

She started arguing the cobwebs out of you.

Oh, I'm shaking up, shaking off, shaking up.

And then everybody comes out and I'm sitting, and I'm hearing them tell me, uncross your legs.

I think I was like, this.

Uncross your legs, uncross.

And I thought I did.

Yeah.

And they said a couple times, unconscious.

And then I look up and it was Dion.

Dion was there.

And he was,

that's what made me scared.

Seeing Dion

prayed like that, I was like,

just adore it.

Because we, you know, we call them head dings.

Right.

Head dings.

What's going on?

What's going on?

And then that's kind of how I got it.

Then they gave me this little thing that will just tell me, let me know if you feel anything.

And they said, let me know if you feel.

I said, all right.

Like, I was waiting on it.

You wait.

You're like, okay, well, go ahead.

I'm going to let you know when I feel something.

So I'll let you know, right?

And yeah.

And then

when I look up, I see Dion.

That's when I knew.

That's when I knew.

But I found out, right?

I didn't know what I had was called stenosis.

Narrowing of the spinal cord and the spinal column, and it presses against my spinal cord.

And it's so crazy.

And they were like,

any other hit can be your last.

Yeah.

Right.

And And I'm thinking, what?

Like, what are you talking?

This was my route.

This is the sled route.

I live in this sled route.

This is it.

This is it.

And that's what, dude,

I went and tried to find a doctor that put me back on that field.

You know, I wanted to keep playing.

You know, and I found one that said, Michael, you've had this forever.

You know, you played this long winter.

It's a risk.

It's a risk.

I got to tell you that.

But you can continue playing.

And I talked to my wife about it.

And she She was thought, you know, baker, no way you can do that.

And I thought, she was right.

She was like, because

you're going to be out there trying to prove to people that you're not thinking about it and you're not scared and you're going to hit somebody trying to prove and something's going to happen.

Like, you can't put us through that.

I'm going to be worried.

So, yeah, I had to finally walk away.

But that was hard.

That was hard because I knew

that's my lifesaver.

Football.

Football is my life.

That was it.

Yeah.

Because there ain't no senior circuit.

In golf, you you got a senior circuit.

Right, right, right.

Basketball, you got a big three.

You got a big three.

That's basically your senior circuit.

This is it.

And when it's gone, it's gone.

It's gone.

And

what you said, we can't,

it's what we did and not who we are, but separating the two when what you did made you who you are coming from where you came from was very difficult.

It was very difficult because, you know,

yeah, it gave me the confidence.

It gave me everything.

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Mike, you came with, you was a coach Landry's

last draft class.

Last first round.

Last first round.

And those vets, Randy White, Ed Too Tall, there were a lot of guys from the glory days, those 70 Cowboys that were still on the team.

Yeah.

But

the story is like, They was telling you you was going too hard to practice.

And you went to Jimmy and say, Jimmy, I got lifted up.

What happened?

That first year we went through.

Dude,

I'm coming in from Miami.

We're about to win.

I just won that championship.

I'm going to put the Cowboys.

I watched all these years with my dad, watching the Cowboys.

I can't wait to get here.

This is story franchise.

And yeah, we get here.

Those first, that first year.

And it wasn't like the Randy Weiss.

Those dudes, they're like us, Shannon.

Them the dogs.

Them ain't the ones you got to worry about.

They had their old ass out there going hard as they can.

They want to

ran them right, right, right.

But they had other dudes around them.

Because see, when they were carrying the team, they could carry.

But now they couldn't carry the team.

And the guys they got around them now,

when I got in, I'm trying to get us back to here.

I'm crying when we lose.

I'm crying like, no, this bullshit.

They're like, come on, Rook.

Rook, we don't do that in the NFL.

We don't act like that.

Come on, we pick up a check on Tuesday.

There were actually dudes saying this.

I was like, what are y'all talking about, man?

What about the game?

This is about winning.

That's what I'm talking about.

I worked my heart out to get here to play you jokers.

And this is how y'all thinking, you know?

So, so, yeah.

Every dude that talked to me and said that to me, I wanted to tell Coach Johnson because you can't win with that.

You can't win with that.

I don't mind that you want to make money.

I want to make money.

I don't mind whatever.

You can want to be famous.

You want to meet girls, whatever.

But we all got to focus on winning and you can get that.

But you can't be sitting here telling me not to hurt.

It's okay to lose, Joker.

The only way we're going to stop this losing is if it hurts.

If it hurts enough.

And the more you, and this is what I tell people, Mike.

I say the more you put into something, the more it hurt when it doesn't work out.

Right.

I say, because if it does not hurt, when it doesn't work out, you didn't put enough into it.

You didn't put enough into it.

It's really that simple.

And that's the game.

That's the game we play.

That's the game we play because, and that's why it is not just, and I tell people this: all it is not, our game is not just about skill, it's about will.

You can have a better skill set than me and still get your butt.

Whoop, every cornerback I named earlier,

every last one of them, Deion Sanders, Daryl Green, where I was thinking about these, all of them better physically, the physical skill set.

That killed me.

A physical skill set.

They'll kill me.

They'll kill me.

They all run 4-1s and 4-2s.

I best I'm going to run a 4-5.

But I'm going to run the first quarter, second quarter, third quarter, fourth quarter, fifth quarter, sixth quarter, and seventh quarter.

And we go eight.

I'm still running that 4-5.

You're going to be that a 5-8 out of 5-flat by now.

I'm going to still be running this 4-5.

You know, it from a 4-1 to a 5-flat.

I'd be there 4-5 all day long because you're not going to outwork me.

You know what I'm saying?

So skill is one thing, but I got here on will.

And you got to commingle those two.

That's what makes our sport so unique.

We're the only sport that asks a man to move another man against his will.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Mike, I ain't going nowhere the hell you say you ain't.

You finished up out of here.

Hey, I don't know what you're going to do next week.

You can do something that week.

But you losing this week, bro.

You're going to lose this week.

Absolutely.

And get used to it.

And I tell them, get used to it, boy, if you're playing B, because I ain't having it.

I ain't having it.

When did you know you guys had turned the corner and you had the guys assembled that could go win a Super Bowl?

You know what?

That third year we came back.

I came back.

We just got drafted in it.

The first game we played in, all three of us together, was

Tampa Bay.

I was coming back off of knee surgery

and I had that ACL.

I had missed the first four games of that season.

It's the fifth game of the season.

Yeah, yeah.

And I was on injury reserve.

You know, missed the rest of the season.

First four games on injury reserve.

Came back that fifth game.

Called a game-winning touchdown, the corner of the end zone.

First time all three of us was on the field.

And we won that game.

And then we won a few more games that year.

Big game

against the Rams in L.A.

And then we were like, oh,

okay.

Now we're turning the corner.

Now we're starting to turn the corner.

And then, you know, that next year, that 90,

the 91 season that 91 season we were different that's the year Emmett and I we both won receiver and running back of the year you know we went we went off so and from there on it was over it was over

once you get a taste of what you win the Super Bowl because nobody everybody thought it was gonna be you're gonna win the 93 season but you win the 92 season

yeah dude but see and that's what but once you had gone through that three and 15 that three and 13 that one and 15, and now we're sitting in San Francisco.

Mm-hmm.

They thought both.

San Francisco, they were like, I don't know if they beat San Francisco experience, and then they don't have experience and to beat Buffalo in the Super Bowl.

Man, dude,

that San Francisco game,

I don't care.

There was no way

on God's green earth.

we were losing that game.

I tell people all the time, I was walking around, I remember before that, because we were coming from the 3 and 13 once.

Yeah, that was fresh enough.

That was three years ago.

That wasn't like that.

That was just, that was just yesterday.

Y'all remember this.

We were just there, boy.

And I remember walking around, I'm talking like, dude, I'm talking about, I'm ready to die before I leave here defeated.

We were all, we were ready.

We were all ready to die before we leave there, boy.

We were not leaving without that victory.

But you know whoever won the NLC championship.

No, won't win the Super Bowl.

That's how we saw it.

That's how we saw it.

Even when we got there though they said well buffalo has experience and and i was like i don't give a damn about experience yeah i run a deep end in the parking lot doesn't matter this but boy when i walked in that super bowl i was like oh wait a minute maybe i shouldn't care

because it's different dog it's different and you already 50 000 already and you

i was like

Why can't I breathe?

What's going on out here?

You know, you can't breathe.

You can't even believe it, man.

There was nothing like the greatest day of my life after that game was the greatest day of my life.

I know by none.

I know.

Nothing like that first one.

Nothing like it, man.

I sat in that locker room and did not leave because I just wanted to remember that.

I used to

sit in the locker room crying when we lose.

And now I'm sitting in this locker room looking at the Lombardi trophy.

That was, dude, I stayed there all night.

When Jerry tells you guys, we're going to make a trade for Charles Haley, you know the story about Haley.

Haley is a different cat.

He's very different now than he was then.

And he was very, he was very

different.

And I knew it.

I knew it because he's the same friend.

And Daniel Stubbs, they had drafted Stubbs.

Yeah.

So Stubby was over there.

And even when he was playing for Sam Friend,

I hope Stubby don't mind me telling this.

And that's the game I got hurt against Sam Friend.

Stubby used to call, he said, hey, man, do you guys got to play?

Were you cracking back?

Will you crack down on the DN?

I said, why?

He said, dude, I write you a nice check, man, if you take out Charles Haley's knee.

Hey, are you talking?

He said, I hate this Joker.

You know, because I mean, Charles was all,

Charles had been all over Danny Stubbs.

So he was trying to tell me, come in and take out his dust.

Take him out.

You know, I was like, man.

Hey, Haley was all over everybody.

I ain't coming in.

It'll take a special type of person to deal with that.

Right, right, right.

You had to special dude.

Special dude.

But I mean,

if he liked you, he liked you.

Right, right.

But if he didn't, boy, he's going to stay on you.

But no matter what he is, if you put him on the field and say, CG, QB, he'll get that.

CG, QB, you could do that.

He could do that real good.

I don't care what nobody said, man.

He was the difference for us on defense.

He was the difference.

He ran that defense.

Now, in 94, you win 92, you win 93.

if jimmy because i believe because you jimmy was your coach in college

and i know how you felt about jimmy i know how you feel about jerry but do you think do you ever think about like man why these yogas couldn't just get along like mr craft and coach bellichek for 20 that's perfect too and i was thinking about that i i mentioned i was meaning to bring that up

Because

that's, you're so good at this.

Because that's the perfect example.

And you know know why?

You know why?

Because Jimmy spoke to the media.

You see, Belichick speaks to that.

So they couldn't take Belichick words, run them back to Kraft, twisted them in twine.

They couldn't take Kraft back to Coach Belichick.

Neither one of them.

Coach Belichick don't want to hear.

He ain't giving you the time.

You know what I mean?

So it was able to do it for so long.

Now, Jimmy, though, Jimmy looking, even I look at the documentary, documentary, I can see, I can see it.

I know coach,

he sees it now.

But like us, he was monomaniacal, single focus.

He couldn't see it then.

Look at what this, what this league is now.

Honestly, y'all can say what you want.

It's because of Jerry.

Jerry,

CBS,

they talk about documentary.

CBS wanted to give less money.

And all the other owners were saying, we're okay because

the good old boy network.

Jerry said, ain't no good old boys here.

No, no, no.

CBS, you out.

He brought in Fox.

Now, now, made Fox a whole network.

Made Fox a whole network.

And now,

everybody starts growing.

Again, everybody's coming back in.

CBS tries to want to work back in.

He's doing the same thing with Netflix.

And the salary cap, coaches making the kind of money they are making.

Quarterbacks making the kind of money they're making.

If somehow they could have worked that out,

let Jerry show off the team so he can build a league like he's building the league.

And you just do your thing.

It would have been perfect.

And Jimmy would have been the greatest, known as the greatest coach ever because Jerry was going to promote it that way.

Because you guys were supposed to be the Patriots before the Patriots became the Patriots.

Because when you won your third Super Bowl, Mike, you was 28.

Right.

Emmett was like 25, 20.

Dude, isn't that crazy?

Troy was like 26, 27.

And you had Larry Allen.

You had time.

You had Troy.

You had it.

we had it, man.

It was, dude, it was.

Do you couldn't keep it together?

God darn, I could.

God almighty, couldn't keep that together.

Y'all could have three people.

I asked Emma today, I asked Emma about that day because

I saw that interview in the documentary when Bob Costa set Jimmy up pretty good, where he said, you know, Jerry said,

he could coach this team.

Do you have any respect for Jerry's football agreement?

And he said, well, yeah, as an owner, as an owner.

And then Bob came back.

And Jimmy thought about it.

And Jimmy's smart enough.

I wish he should have handled that.

I know he looks back down and said,

like when he asked, but as an equal,

as an equal, it's a setup question.

How the hell you gonna ask this man, is it equal to him?

Yeah.

You know, equal to him as a coach.

Now, I wish Jimmy would have said, well,

listen, I don't expect this man to know what I know to make me an equal to him in business

when he's bought Dallas Cowboys because he's been doing that for 35 years.

Correct.

I've been coaching for 35 years.

So you can't expect me to think he's my equal.

Like I don't expect him to think I'm his equal.

Give an answer like that and leave him some room to wiggle.

You see, because he's standing right next to it.

And I think that was the killer.

I think what really hurt Jimmy is that he said there anybody could coach this team.

But the question is, could anybody have built this team?

And that's a good that's a good assess that's a good assess because to go to get troy to draft emmy

to trade her what and i think to think where it started and who traded

who traded the hurst

jimmy said i did it uh uh uh jerry said it was a it was a collective thing and it kind of it kind of and then you know you have success and everybody you know you have success it has everybody thinks they had success because even the people that cooked the food everybody but you know that food that was the best food y'all had.

We don't cook the food.

Well, y'all want a Super Bowl with it.

We want a Super Bowl run of slant routes, Joker.

It ain't got nothing to do with no foods you put on the table.

But everybody does say that, dog.

Why y'all want a Super Bowl with it?

That's nothing, man.

But you're right.

And that's why winning at that kind of pace is so hard.

New deal.

Because everybody wants to get more

credit than they deserve.

Than they deserve.

And

it's just, and that's why it's hard to keep it together.

Yeah.

Mike, you almost got traded to the Raiders.

Yeah.

Yeah, you know, they have played.

I would have loved to go to the Raiders.

If I was going to get traded, Raiders would have been.

Al, you remember, Al had, you know, Al Davis, you know how he used to walk around when you're working out and always come by.

I don't know why that wasn't tampering.

Why they never put Al was tampering.

Al come right on by and watch you work out.

Boy, you work out like a Raider.

So you want, he would always.

So you want to be a Raider?

Right on.

Hey, boy, hey, boy.

Hey, boy.

That's his favorite one.

First time, though.

Listen, though.

He's a player that Al Davis got close to him.

He come walking by.

He always walked by.

And for us,

that was like, boy, that was like Michael Corleon inviting him into the family.

Yeah, that was Michael Corleone.

What?

Because

I saw him all the time.

That means you know he knows.

And he said he wanted them dogs because we only want dogs over here.

So, yo, he played that great, man.

I loved Al, man.

I loved Al.

But Jerry, Jerry even said, he said,

when they were talking about trading me and everything, Al Davis was the one who told him, because he was new.

Jerry was new.

He said,

you don't trade people like that.

You should, trust me, you don't trade people like that.

So, you know, so, so, you know, Al,

I had a great respect and love for Al Davis, man.

I really did.

When y'all got time, did you know the time was up for 49?

I'm glad y'all enjoyed that championship.

But you're not finna get it.

Right, right, right, right, right.

And

I was, you know, I had called time.

We had talked, dude, I got time here.

He called me, we talked on the phone.

I said, he said, Michael, man, what is it like?

I said,

what was that like going from Atlanta to San Francisco?

He said, to San Francisco.

I said, just multiply that by 10.

Come on,

let me show you.

That's my verbatim word.

Dog, that Joker came that third.

You, I'd have been all on the ready, y'all.

Prime time party, Thursday night.

Yo, come on and make me, help me welcome him here.

Help me get him here.

We're going to make sure Deion Standing becomes a...

Boy, the whole city came back.

He turned out.

What?

Man, you know,

time is a show.

He's always been a show.

He's always been that.

He's always been a show, man.

So you put that show on, man.

And I got time.

Oh, I was so happy to get him, man.

That's my boy.

I love him.

And I was like, man, we've been beating each other up for a long time.

Let's join for it.

Let's stop this mess, man.

Let's come on and play together.

And then that made that Florida thing that we love.

Let's go to some current events.

You've been outspoken about Shador and how the Browns have handled that situation.

I've said, look, I ain't say the man should start, but I do believe that he played well enough in the one game because I was in a very similar situation, Mike.

I got drafted in the seventh round, played really well in the preseason game, and then I started getting reps with the ones and twos because the coaches wanted to see, okay, he did that against the threes and fours.

Let's see what he could do against tougher competition.

Right.

I just thought that was the natural progression.

I'm not saying he takes all the rep with the ones, but I'm saying, don't you want to see if he could perform at that level with better competition against better competition?

Correct.

Correct.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And that's the process.

That's the process of his progress.

I want to see that.

I want to see.

Now, now,

what they did, and honestly, I knew they would, what they've done now is put it in a situation.

Oh, this is about to be one of the most interesting seasons for the Cleveland Browns that we've ever seen for the Cleveland Browns.

The way I see this thing happening, and

you call it a prediction, I'm saying this, I'm prophesying, I know it'll go down this way.

I don't know.

But old Joe,

he'll play first four or five games, maybe.

And if this team is 0-1-4, 1-5, something like that, and no, you're not going anywhere, or Joe gets hurt, dude, Cleveland is going to be,

it's going to be the first in-season quarterback battle between rookies.

If I'm Cleveland, I'm almost saying this thing wide open.

I'll start Dylan one week, Shadua the next.

Do you know how many people are gonna tune in to watch this live in-season quarterback battle?

Joe Flacco hurt.

Let's find out.

And we got to find out which one of these, if any one of these, can do it.

We got to go back in.

This is about to be a very interesting season.

for the Cleveland Browns.

And I believe Shadua will get those reps that you were talking about to see.

And once you get the reps, I want to make sure you put a game plan together for him.

The other day, the other day, he had no time back here with those guys.

Why are we doing regular drop backs?

Yeah.

Either give him a quick game,

just give him a quick game.

And give him a quick game, even though you don't got linemen in the block, give me some receiver that can work the quick game.

Right.

Give me some move.

You know what I mean?

And usually it takes a quarterback two, three years to really learn the quick game where I where I can take these bad linemen and still make a play that's Tom Brady stuff that's Patrick that that's that's that's stuff that's going to take you a little time to learn so yeah I'm anxious to see what happens and I think the thing is what Shadur he he he fell into the thing and and you know this better than anybody might

you're not going to make every play and sometimes he falls into the trap correct he's he's giving up bro you can't give up that kind of ground right sometimes hey one two

check it down throw it away or throw it away it's really that simple.

An incompletion sometimes

is the best thing that you can have.

But when you playing in desperation, it's just like you said.

So, okay, okay.

So just like you, you're a seventh rounder.

Yeah.

So now you got to go ahead, Joker.

I know, like, the old vet had been here for, I know you don't want me to, but I'm about to block you real hard because.

I don't know if I'm going to be here, but so you can eat somebody else get in this game because don't ask me to go easy because they're going to send me home.

You know what I'm saying?

So you got to have, you got to work through that because he had a different place.

Like, he's got to try to make a play.

He does.

Like, you got to try to make a play because I got to make this team.

Of your first round, you threw the ball away.

Nobody's going to say that.

But you know, you're in a competition.

So, yeah,

that's kind of the balance.

Sometimes the incompletion is a good play.

It's a good play.

And guys got to learn.

You know what I want to do?

And that's the part that most young guys have to learn in the NFL.

They do.

Throwing it away.

Zero is better than minus 12.

You go back and look at your team that won.

You guys got Charles Haley, you took the next step.

You went and got Deion, you went back.

You guys had an opportunity to get Randy Moss in 98.

If you get Randy Moss in 98,

do you guys get to it?

We do it.

Yeah, no doubt.

Randy gives me life.

When he added to Chris Carter, he should have added here.

You know, I had spoke with Randy during that draft, and Randy,

we had already started a friendship.

I really thought he was going to get drafted here.

And Jerry talked about it just because of the stuff that we had gone through here and the way the media came at it.

They backed him up off Randy.

And man, oh my God, we would have gotten Randy Moss.

That would have been the difference.

That would have been the difference because he was.

Boy, he ate us up, too.

Every time he played us.

Oh, that Thanksgiving Day game?

Thanksgiving Day.

He went 3 for 163.

I'm playing him, you know, so we ain't get him.

now i got to match up on him now i mean i think i had like eight for 135 and i fumbled i mean i was like

beat my butt in here tonight you know what i mean i was supposed to get this dude man kylie i heard that bothered me too that was another one when you look at the things that you say the in the eric williams car accident yes that cost us one with a i don't i even with dion in san francisco With Eric Williams, we win that Super Bowl.

We win that Super Bowl.

We win another Super Bowl.

You You know, and then you get DM.

We Courtney certainly go win.

Those things right there.

We get Randy.

You know, these are plays that, man,

yeah, yeah, we're definitely.

We could have won five in a row.

Five in a row should have won me six or seven by myself.

No doubt, though.

I should have won three straight national titles, too.

Before I got to Dallas, I should have, I played three straight national title games.

I should have won all them jokers too, man.

But yeah, yeah.

You mentioned the differences between Jimmy and Barry.

Jimmy was a guy, he gonna grind you.

He gonna ride you.

Right.

He gonna take you to the limit.

He's gonna push you, take it right over to the line, and he's gonna ask you to look over.

He gonna ask you to look over the line.

Because

you going to the line now, Mike.

You going right now?

You gotta go.

You gotta go.

You gotta go.

Oh, that's as far as I can go right there.

And I was telling you this.

that there's a saying that I love that says only those who risk going too far can possibly.

Truly knows how far we can go.

You know what I mean?

And

yeah, that's how we've been doing it.

And it's great on the field, but sometimes not so great off the field.

But then you get

Barry, and Barry was a guy, you're a professional,

you're a grown man, you know what you're supposed to do, go handle your business.

And

that's a great

thing to say.

But it's not a reality in life.

No.

In no kind of way.

No.

Everybody has to be held accountable to what we're trying to do.

And everybody's not going to have the same accountability if you leave it to them on their own.

So we have to set the standard.

for accountability.

That's why they got people that self-check out.

Because they know you're going to scan one and put one in the bag.

Scan one and put two in the back.

Oh, man.

You know what I mean?

They like, oh,

you're going to try.

And most people are born to try to slip a corner if you don't watch it.

You don't watch it.

If you don't pin it down.

And

Twin Championships, there is no corner slipping.

Nope.

There is

no way around it.

Nobody can give it to you.

Nobody can hope it for you.

It's will.

You got to go take it.

So I can't play with you in the practice because they're not gonna play with you in the real you gotta go get it that's just what it is Mike where are you on this and and I've kind of gotten away from this I'm really never big on this

going back and forth with current players or former players yeah because time told me this he's like he's like man he's like the problem that you have he said you're not wrong

He says, but because you have a gold jacket, it carries more weight than when anybody else says anything else about them players.

So when you say something about a player, you got to go jacket.

Your credential.

Because for the longest, it's like, well, what did you do?

They can't ask Michael Irvin, what did he do?

He got three of them things.

He was an all-decade player in the 90s.

And what number are you?

I'm 267.

What number are you?

232.

232.

So you got that.

So when you speak, you know what you speak of.

People get upset.

They call it hating.

Because you can't have an opinion now.

You can't critique a play.

Now, Mike, you hate.

Right, right, right, right.

Because of who you are.

And Shannon, that's the power of what you do and

what we have.

And let me do this to be righteous because I love you, brother.

And let me apologize to you here live

while we're on.

Because, you know, even when the Travis

Hunter stuff went down, you know, with his girl, and I was like, come on, man.

And then we finally talked about it.

What did we tell?

I said the same thing to you.

I said, Shannon, I want you to think about

that you saying.

Because everybody talking to this girl and saying, I said, everybody's saying stuff.

The only one he, what I said, the only one he's going to remember.

Is you said.

And we're going to need you one day to go lift him up.

And he's going to bring back up, oh man, you try to talk to my woman, man, like, you know what I mean?

And that's what I was talking about.

Because that's, you just said it.

A million other people can say it, but they ain't got that jacket.

It'll go right off his back.

But he's trying to get and be you.

So he's going to hear it from you and now you won't ever have the ability to go get him what he needs as he takes his journey right and that's what i was saying when i said shannon we're gonna need you when i go i said we're gonna need you we're gonna need you this brother gonna need you right i don't want him to turn an ear off to you right you're one of our greatest spokesmen out here i need you to be the

and and you didn't do anything wrong right but he gonna take it that way right because i'm like you trying to help him but but but but speaking to his girl, he gonna be like, he gonna protect his girl, you know what I mean?

And, you know, that kind of, because I told people.

You have to understand, when you were growing up and your mom or your dad or your grandparents told you not to see that boy or not to see that girl, it drove you closer to me.

Made you come to me.

Now you ain't gonna, yeah, now

you trying to pull them apart.

They're gonna band together almost like a Romeo and Juliet.

Right.

Right.

Right, right.

So,

and then blame you because, you know,

like you did something to this generation different.

They very different.

i'm different now you know i i told my son the other day listen man i don't want you with all these girls in the house you know all these all these women it's man

like joe this is my house i do what i want my house i'm telling you what i don't want you doing at my house that's what i'm telling you trying to well

you can't be doing that at my you know this generation my son lies told me one time I said, like,

did somebody take my money out of here?

Somebody steal my money?

He said, dad,

did you take the money?

He said, yeah, I got it.

I said, I didn't steal your money, dad.

I took it.

You're my dad.

I can't steal from you.

You took my money.

That's how they see it.

You're my dad.

What's yours is mine.

I can't steal from you.

I said, okay, this boy crazy.

You know what I mean?

But they believe that.

This generation believes my dad would have grabbed that belt.

I don't know what to do about that.

But we ain't no more money around here.

All year long.

You can be, you know, it'll been a whole different thing.

But this generation different.

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Compare, because it's different.

I mean, the game is different.

The way you attack the receiver, the way you can attack the wide receiver, the space in which they play in.

But they physically gifted now.

Some talented mother brothers were.

Mike, you didn't have no one-on-one.

You didn't have no 7-0 Cam Newton 707.

You ain't have none of that.

We learned to play in the backyard again.

It's crazy, dog.

And these receivers and this passing game, it's just quarterback.

That quarterback coach is in middle school, in junior high, and high.

I was telling people, we were playing, you had the big receiver and the fast receiver.

Yeah.

Not a big receiver, it's the fast.

The fast receiver.

They all won, man.

And it's so amazing to see the talent and skill set.

You got the seven footers dribbling basketballs all the way up the floor.

You know, because everybody now,

sports have become such a big business.

Now,

it's like when you tell your kids, go be a doctor, go be a lawyer.

Look, go be an athlete.

So you start training three, four, five years old, and they train

all their lives.

The fat guys used to shake fat.

Now they're just,

man, these are 350-pound wide receiver-looking dudes.

Like Aaron Dunn, that's not an ounce of fat on these jobs, man.

Look at Miles Gary.

Look at Mike Miles Gary.

He ain't supposed to be that.

He ain't supposed to be that size and bend the edge.

It's amazing to see that.

It's amazing.

I don't care what you say.

He ain't supposed to be.

Dude,

I had him out.

Well, I saw Alonzo Spellman.

Have you ever seen Alonzo Spellman walk through a locker room naked with all them muscles sitting on top of him?

His arms didn't look.

I said, God darn, man.

Oh, I would hate to make that joker mad.

I mean, it's just a physical beast, man.

And boy, yeah, Miles is different.

They're different athletes.

They're different.

They're different now.

Now, the physical skill set, physical skill set.

Now, mentality, they are different also.

I see receivers now tapping heads on third down.

Coming out.

Probably never coming out on third down.

That's the money.

I'm going to get that ball.

They're going to get you.

You can't even play with me if I see you tap your helmet on third down.

Coach, get him out of the game.

Don't ever bring his ass back.

You You leaving now.

We need third down.

Yeah.

You want to, we need to go get these other downs.

Right.

Right now.

You can go some next, but you, if you leave on this third down, don't ever want to play.

I don't ever want to play with you again.

So, so, so that, so you got all the physical skill set, all the physical skill set.

But sometimes I question the desire when I see guys walking off the field on third down.

Denzel has some very, some very, some, some very strong comments to say about them Cowboys.

You heard what he said.

that Denzel Washington.

Yeah, I love Denzel.

Yeah, yeah, he said, he said, I don't know.

Yeah, I heard him talk about Jerry saying, oh, money ain't good money.

You know what I mean?

You know, I guess when you get up there with the kind of money.

Me, all money.

I guess when you get up there,

I can't wait to see that day.

You know, I wonder what day we're going to.

I show like,

have some bad feet, have a fast, bad 50.

Hey, that's that's a bad 50 million now i don't know if you want that well let's sit it over here anyway i decide

we fine all right right

i don't know about that all money ain't good money but but i get the gist of what he said you know i get the gist of what he's saying it's about let's get it to the field let's get back in in in the championship uh uh challenge and everything and i believe and he's right about that He's right about that.

And that's why, and I know Jerry does business with, but that's why I thought this time, this time is the right time to get Michael Parsons done.

Let's not go through what it went through with Dak and CD.

Let's make Michael.

I wanted him to make Michael to Patrick Mahomes and his team.

I thought that would have been smart.

Right.

The expectations, you got George Pickens.

CD comes back healthy.

Dak says he's feeling good.

The only thing really, the uncertainty is

your defense, but you're going to be reliant on your offense because your best player,

three of your best, four players.

Micah, for me, is the best player on this team.

But you got CD, you got Pickens, who's coming from Pittsburgh, extremely talented, but you know, hey, if he wasn't getting the ball, he would mope, he wouldn't block, and then you have that.

What is your expectations for the Cowboys this season?

What you have to look at this year, and especially in this league, the Cowboys probably the last year had those three, 12, and five seasons.

They were averaging about 28, 29, 30 points a game in those years.

They were top, pretty tops in offense.

In this league, if you can put an offense on the field, you can win some games.

Yes.

You can put an offense on the field and you can make some plays late, you can win the game.

Now, Cowboys have that on offense.

The issue I'm having with, and when you do go up and put them points on the board,

now you just set the defense up to pin their ears back.

The best ear pinner you have,

you're not even paying.

True.

So how are you working harmoniously to get to a Super Bowl?

So, so Michael Parsons' value

went up when you got George Pickens.

Right.

Because now, every time you given Dak two receivers, he came away 12 and 5.

He was in the top offense, and you know he has that now.

Right.

Michael Parsons should have more value because he can get to the quarterback.

And if you're going to put up 35 points, that's the surprise that I think will hit a lot of people this year because the Cowboys will put up at least 30 points a game.

I think

I think it was last year you spoke about your wife who's been by your side through thick and thin.

A baby.

And you said she's going through early onset dementia.

How has that been on you dealing with that?

I mean, such a young age and to see the woman that you've been, she was a cheerleader to you, you met in college, and to see her go through that.

And

with the support that she's given me over the years, you know, my wife,

I'm 59, and we recognized some things were going wrong with her about 10 years ago, actually.

Really?

We thought it was menopause.

And, you know, you go through it and you start going to the doctor.

Now, I'm coming off of...

Burying my mother-in-law.

Well, well, I buried my mom.

She had Alzheimer's.

My mother-in-law was living with us because she had Alzheimer's.

And we were taking care of her.

And

we thought my wife was going through menopause at 49 because she's coming to 50.

So in about

a year, a year and a half of testing, we find out it was early onset.

So we have been dealing with this eight, nine years, you know, going back and forth.

And it's been, you know, what's difficult is, you know, you know, it's quite hard to take care of someone 24 hours a day, 24 hours.

And she has

that

agitating all the time.

And I have to keep a 24-hour nurse with her.

Nurse with her all the time.

And these people now, you know, she getting angry and agitation all the time.

She hits you.

They take that nurse out, send another nurse, and they put more charges on.

I mean, they're running a bail up on me.

But she, if anybody, has earned the right to be in her home.

Yes.

You know what I mean?

And no matter what, she will be in her home.

And I just, I have to deal with it.

And it gets hard.

But football gets me like, I'll do what I got to do all week.

I didn't get to go on the weekend and talk football so we'll watch some games, have a good time.

And I can come back and do what I got to do again.

You know what I mean?

And take care of my wife, take care of my family.

But football still, football, playing football brought me out of the ghetto.

Now, being around the game,

keeps me sober and gives me that lift so I can go deal with everything else I need to deal with.

The most touching thing

that I took from that documentary is that when you got in that trouble and your wife said,

the Lord told me I am your wife.

And whatever else you did, you got to work out that with him.

Go make it.

But I'm your wife.

And I'm not leaving.

But you got to work out what you need to work out with him.

When you told, you told a story

and it almost like you broke that.

It's like that broke me.

Everything else I had been through I thought I was strong enough to overcome but when I heard her utter those words that broke me it's the fight in me right

I told you about the reptilian brain I'd rather her fight me

here not physical fight because I've never hit a woman but I'd rather say what is wrong with you what are you doing how could you do that how could you do me like that then I what I've been taking care of everybody you know that that's I've been taking care of my family your family I'm going through this

you can run to that yeah you can run to that but she didn't fight me she says

I'm gonna get out the way

and now she makes that fight between me and me

now I'm looking

and she just showed me in that moment how much she doesn't deserve how much I don't deserve her in that moment and she's saying she's not going anywhere What you go in the room and say to that?

What do you do?

I was hoping she was gonna fight me and we get in the argument.

I can walk back out the door and go do some more.

Or she said, I'm a divorce.

Hey, since you want to be out there, I'm out.

Do what you got to do.

I'm gone.

I'll go back and do some more.

You know what I mean?

But when she hit me with that, it was, oh, yeah, boy,

that was, that was the hardest.

When you found yourself alone with yourself, did you ask God, God, what did I do to deserve this woman?

What did I do to deserve her?

What did I do to deserve your mercy?

Yeah.

Something like that.

Anything, a woman like this.

And my mom, my mom, man, she was always like, you know, you meet people as you go through.

And my mom would always say,

that's a good girl, baby, but she's not the one.

Like, that's a good one, but...

She's not the one.

That's a girl.

She's not the one.

I like her, but she's not the one.

As soon as she met Sandy, she was like,

That's it.

That's the wife.

That's the one.

My wife and my mom were very close.

You know, very close.

And

me and her mom were very close because her mom put me back together.

Like, even when I was out all night, messing around, come back home, her mom would say, baby, come on now.

It's just the devil that was trying to take our blessings.

She said, I got you.

Just, we're going to get you back on your feet.

She would pray, feed me, say, ain't nobody going nowhere.

We're going to get you back on your feet.

That's the old school, though.

Yeah, baby.

That's our real school.

A grandparents.

That's how they came up.

And it happened in the day of the past.

That's that village.

Yes.

When they say

the village.

That's the village.

They're going to look out and take care of you.

And she was like that.

I love her mom and I was so close.

I miss her so much, man.

Because

she just helped me with everything.

You know, she just helped me.

But yeah, that's been hard.

And that's what...

The thing was, after watching what my mom goes through and then us picking her mom up off the floor, even even at the house all the time, when she realized, when we realized it was Alzheimer's,

my wife, she made her promise.

I don't want anybody to know.

I don't want anybody to know.

I don't want to see it.

That's why people never found out.

I've been dealing with 10 years because she didn't want anyone to know.

And how they found out is I brought everybody, because I told everybody that you can come live at the house.

It's a big house.

She saw us.

You come live at the house, help out.

And then her brother and sister get in a fight

at the house, and I'm working, and they're calling me all the time.

He has to go, he has to go.

Then I had to get her brother to leave, and he didn't want to leave.

I had to take him to court to leave out.

And then it all came out in a little court because I had to get him to leave.

And it was just, it's a mess.

This is so hard on families, Mr.

Arbor, because every family member loves the one that is sick and they think they know what's best.

And you're arguing about treatment and who's going to take care of her.

And this thing requires an anointing.

I can't do it 24 hours a day every day.

So I have to get help.

It takes an anointing to take care of people.

So I'm praying for everybody out here that's dealing with it.

And there's a lot of people that are dealing with it.

You know, a child, taking care of a child, you can pick the child up, you can carry him around, but you're talking about an an adult that's not as easily manageable.

Correct.

Correct.

And like you said, she's at that state where she gets agitated and she fights you back and you try to calm her down.

And it's a huge undertaking.

And with a child, you have hope of tomorrow.

I'm doing all of this now, but the kid's going to learn and they'll be able to do it.

So you got an end game.

There is none here.

She's not going to get better.

We're going to continue to do this.

And so you just got to keep that support and keep people around her.

Like the doctor said, bring as much family around as you can.

Does she recognize family?

She doesn't recognize.

And when, you know, it's so funny you said it for the first time about three months ago.

And I promise you, man, in

at least

seven, eight years before she, since she said it, she looked at me, you know, she said, uh-uh,

and held her hands out like come here baby and she hadn't done that in you know seven eight years about about six years ago

six years seven years ago she came

we were in the room and she looked at me like

who's this in my bed

and that's when I knew

Yeah,

yeah, I can't be in the room anymore.

So I had to go to the other room.

Cause she was like, hey,

who is this man in my bed?

You know, so yeah, she had to have her own room.

Damn.

Sorry to hear that, Mike.

You touched on it briefly.

Rampage Jackson, his son, Raja,

got into a situation with Psycho Stew.

And you like, he gets on the...

The internet.

The internet's a blessing and a curse.

It is a blessing and a curse.

Because you've seen it make careers and you've seen it in careers and sometimes people perform, do performative for the camera.

That's really not who they are, but they perform for the cameras.

I mean, if all the time, you know, sometimes.

Most of the time.

Most of the time.

If you could like, if that was your child, I mean, how would you, how would you go about it, Mike?

How would you handle it?

How would you like, man?

You know, I thought Rampage, you know, he came out and says, look, I want to apologize for my son.

That's really all you could do because the act has already happened.

You just hope that people will give him mercy, will give him grace, show him leniency.

But there's really nothing yet.

I mean, it's happened now.

Yeah, I tell you what, now,

I know they're trying to say all of this and everything, and they told him part of the scheme and all of that.

There's a lawsuit coming.

I don't apologize.

Who apologized to who?

Whatever psycho Stu going through.

Because somebody's going to reach, get cycles too and say, listen, we got money here.

We got some soul.

There's a lawsuit coming.

I just,

you know, I just want, like, if

you're going to be doing all this and streaming and inviting people in,

understand you're inviting in their opinions too.

Yes.

So you can't.

After inviting all these people in,

go crazy on somebody else because all these people saying you soft and all that, you know, because that's what he was, look, keep me calling me up, ain't this, ain't that?

Well, you invited them to this show.

You told them that their opinions matter.

And you're allowing them now space in your brain and these things happen.

Yeah,

I think I used to always say,

I'd rather be around somebody that's

I understand mental illness is real, but I'd rather be around somebody that's really mentally ill than somebody's acting like they're mentally ill.

Because somebody's acting like they're mentally ill, but take it too far to prove the point.

You know what I mean?

And if somebody mentally ill, you can kind of see it and deal with it and work with it.

And I don't know.

I don't know about him, but I was like,

I'm worried about what I see with that.

Dude,

wait, it's a wrestling match.

We all know this is fake.

Correct.

And that can he hit you with, ain't no spurp up in there.

That can was already soft and prepared for that hit.

You didn't even move when he hit you.

It wasn't even that serious.

And you know, I understand.

But for you to go after all of that time

and wear like that and think that was okay, that's a little crazy.

Right.

That's a little crazy.

And you might say, well, that's crazy, Michael.

We talking about that.

We just talked about you cutting dude, throwing throwing all of that.

Yeah.

Yeah, but that was woof.

I mean, you just pounded 25 times on this man, and he's out.

That's, yeah.

What's it been working like with Cam and Mace?

I love those guys.

It reminds me a lot of Dion and I.

Right.

You know, that old friendship that's been around a long time.

You got those hidden things to mess with.

But they're smart dudes.

Yeah.

They are smart dudes, man.

I love what they've done.

And I love the brand brand because

our people spend a lot of time music and sports so when you start blending those two you can grab a good audience because that that's what that's what we do and that's you know that so i love having that opportunity to talk to us to talk to that audience i enjoy being with you

cam um caused some criticism Cam Newton, when he said Jalen Hurst, he don't see, think Jalen Hurst is the top 10 quarterback and everybody, now they try to undermine his career.

Cam was a phenomenal player.

Oh, my God.

Won the Heisman Trophy.

Phenomenal.

I mean, are we no longer allowed to have opinions, Mike?

Yes, you can have an opinion.

You can have an opinion, but you got to.

Somebody else is going to have an opinion on your opinion.

Right.

That's just what it is.

And if you deliver the opinion.

And you come off of anything where people feel you are staying professional and you go personal, then they're going to go personal.

Correct.

And it's just what they may see.

Every Eagle fan, once you say that about Jalen Hurts,

come on, man.

Hey, this man just gave him a Super Bowl.

Super Bowl.

Took him to two.

Game last week.

So you're going to get some pushback.

Correct.

And you then win that Super Bowl.

You just got to get ready to handle that.

And you're going to get, everybody's going to bring up you not diving on that ball.

Correct.

You just got to be ready for that.

And be ready when you go in.

You know, be ready to go in when you go in and understand that's what's going down.

That's what's going down.

I'm going to get you out of here on this one, Mike.

Your dad raised 17 kids.

You don't nearly have that many kids.

What type of father is Michael Irving?

How close of

your father, how he raised his kids, are you to raising your kid?

My dad was more hard on us.

It was more difficult, tough.

You know what I mean?

My dad would say, when I was a kid, he said, you know, teaching me about being a man.

He said, being a man is about

making decisions.

Living and dealing with the results or the consequences.

That's what we got to do.

And so I remember being young and thinking I was sleek.

I said, oh, okay.

So I said, well, dad, you know, I think I'm going to make a decision.

He tried to wake me up one day.

I made a decision.

I think I want to quit school.

He said, okay, son.

Let's go there.

He said, I said,

I just made a decision.

I thought you should be a man and make it a decision.

Right.

And I said, yeah, that's the decision.

The other side of it is the consequences.

Let's go.

You're going to go to work with me.

Dude.

Dude.

I went to work with this Joker that first day.

Oh, and he was a roofer.

Like, we went on the roof

and laid towel in Florida.

Yeah.

My dad died of a brain and throat tumor.

To this day, I know it was the sun in Florida beating down on his head.

Because we worked Sunday, sunlight, sunlight.

Yeah, but you had to have those tiles upstairs.

You had to cut those towels upstairs.

I'm carrying.

I mean, on top of the roof.

Because now they got a machine that'll ride it up there for you.

Dude,

that's my hands lay.

And I had to put on ropes, pull that stuff up.

You had to grab them towels.

So he worked me to death.

When I went to college, I worked every summer with him.

I went to college.

I took the pants and the shirt with all this cement on it.

Dude, it was on my wall in college.

I said, Boy, if you don't make football work, that's going to be work.

I'm never going to work that.

I'm never going to work that.

Have a lot of jobs when you're growing up because it'll tell you what you don't want to do.

What you don't want to do.

Because if you can't do that job as a child, when you're young, it got full of energy.

Energy, right, right.

Have an adult.

No time for it.

No time for it.

So, so it's a different.

And it goes goes back to what I was saying when we started.

In our areas where we grew up, we didn't have, I want to be him.

I want to be him.

I want to be him.

Them pants and shirt, I don't want to be him.

I want to be them.

That's what I know.

I will not be him.

And that's how you got it.

That's how you got motivated.

2026 Super Bowl Champ Cowboys?

2025.

That plays in 2026.

Cowboys got a chance here.

Cowboys got a chance.

We got a new head coach, and there's so many things you got to see how he handles in game.

Right.

In game.

But in this league, if you can put 25 to 30 points on, you can win any game in this league.

And the Cowboys have an offense that can put up 30 points,

27 to 30 points.

You can win games.

When you re-watch

America's team,

the Gambler and the Cowboys,

when you re-watch all that,

what goes through your mind?

Man, it's

first of all, I'm so glad they're showing these highlights, man.

Because they forgot to play.

I forgot about Brother Will, boy.

I forgot how bad I was.

I ain't mad at them.

I forgot, boy.

I'm like, God, damn.

I did all that.

Two touchdowns with 18 seconds.

What?

Shedding.

That boy, hey, boy.

God, Leon knows why we like that.

Why them highlights, boy?

I'm like, whoo.

Everywhere I go now doing speaking engagements and they play these highlights.

give me a copy of that.

I got a copy of all of them.

I want all the highlights, you know what I mean?

So first, it's always you go through and you go over those moments, man.

But people, what I want them to take from it, and what I want these current Cowboys to take from it, is what we talked about, the closeness it takes to win championships.

I always say this.

Football teams and organizations will never win a championship.

It's too hard.

It has to be a football family.

Think about championship teams.

Man, in football, in baseball, Reggie, Jack, Reggie, he can have a problem with the managers.

Y'all ain't got to get along.

You can still win.

And basketball, you probably still win.

It ain't happening in football because everything is interconnected and interdependent on one another.

So we can't have these strife, this gripe,

this division.

You can't be.

So, so that's the whole game.

If you become

this close,

this is what it takes to be a champion.

And you could talk about all of the talent we had, but you get to see the work we put in and the determination we had to turn it around.

And honestly, there's nothing greater when it starts at the bottom and you raise it to the top.

That's the greatest of journeys that you can take.

Playmaker.

Bye-bye, dog.

I love you, my friend.

Appreciate you, bro.

All my life.

Been grinding all my