Club Shay Shay - Michael Irvin Part 1

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Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/SHANNON and use code SHANNON and get $50 in lineups when you play your first $5 lineup! Michael Irvin joins Shannon Sharpe at Club Shay Shay for a powerful and unfiltered conversation about his life, career, and the stories behind the Dallas Cowboys dynasty. Irvin opens up about celebrating Sterling Sharpe’s NFL Hall of Fame induction and what it meant to see the Sharpe brothers standing together at the podium. He reflects on his first love of basketball, his lifelong friendship with Mitch Richmond, and a near arrest that the Miami police let slide because Richmond was set to be drafted into the NBA the next week. He recalls competing in a Foot Locker Slam Dunk Contest with Ken Griffey Jr., Barry Bonds, and Deion Sanders, and says adding NFL players would revive the NBA Dunk Contest. He shares how NFL teams used to play basketball against each other in the offseason, go bowling, fish, and gamble together, and why he believes Florida produces the best athletes over Texas, Georgia, and California because “the greatest pain creates the greatest gain.” Irvin reveals his Mount Rushmore of Florida football players: Deion Sanders, Ray Lewis, and Jerome Brown. He also names himself the only offensive player on the Miami Hurricanes’ Mount Rushmore alongside Ray Lewis, Warren Sapp, and Ed Reed. He wore #47 at Miami because Jimmy Johnson joked he was like a Boeing 747 landing in the end zone. Irvin explains how he kept the Green Bay Packers from drafting him because of the cold, and that the Rams wanted to draft him but the Cowboys selected first. He talks about nearly being traded until Jimmy Johnson fired the offensive coordinator instead and says the Cowboys’ first Super Bowl win was the hardest but most rewarding. Irvin speaks on Micah Parsons, his $100M podcast, and Parsons’ pursuit of being the highest-paid defender in the NFL. He shares his thoughts on modern athletes and social media. He details his talks with Travis Kelce about chasing a three-peat, admits he still can’t get over missing a catch that cost Dallas a three-peat, and crowns Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelce “America’s Dream,” while saying the Chiefs haven’t replaced the Cowboys as “America’s Team.” Irvin calls Kelce his favorite player and even discusses Kelce’s engagement to Taylor Swift. He talks about buying a home with an eight-foot gate with his first NFL extension, how he learned financial literacy, and caring for his large family with his first $1M check. Irvin dives deep into the infamous Cowboys “White House” era, sneaking women into hotels, Jerry Jones questioning him about it, and explaining to Jones he was “trying to do the wrong thing the right way.” He recalls being found in a hotel room with drugs, the district attorney threatening him, and wearing a mink coat to court to distract the press. Irvin admits that his arrest changed him, the Cowboys, and his leadership forever. He recounts slicing Everett McIver’s neck with scissors at training camp and apologizing after nearly killing him, fights at Miami over music and meals, and says he’s been fighting his whole life. Irvin talks about being suspended for five games in 1996, how it permanently altered his career, and separating his identity from football. He recalls his mother calling him “the chosen one” among her 17 children and shares the story of his last game in Philadelphia in 1999, Deion Sanders praying over him, and his wife opposing his return to the field. He reflects on being part of Tom Landry’s last draft class, crying over losses as a rookie, and how “football isn’t about skill, it’s about will.” Irvin shares stories about Emmitt Smith, Troy Aikman, and Charles Haley, and recounts the Cowboys’ dominance over the Buffalo Bills and 49ers. He analyzes why Jimmy Johnson and Jerry Jones couldn’t coexist like Bill Belichick and Robert Kraft, calls Al Davis “Michael Corleone,” and recalls Davis telling Jerry Jones not to trade him to the Raiders. Irvin discusses recruiting Deion Sanders from the 49ers, Shedeur Sanders’ future with the Browns, and Dillon Gabriel. He says Dallas could’ve won in 1998 if they traded for Randy Moss and that he should have three national titles with Miami. He shares thoughts on Travis Hunter, today’s receivers, and Denzel Washington’s quote on Jerry Jones: “All money ain’t good money.” Irvin believes Micah Parsons should’ve been Dallas’ Patrick Mahomes and sets expectations for CeeDee Lamb, George Pickens, and Dak Prescott this season. He opens up about his wife’s early onset dementia, her loyalty despite his mistakes, and the care she receives from their family. He weighs in on Rampage Jackson’s son’s viral altercation, Cam Newton’s comments on Jalen Hurts, and recalls his father raising 17 children and teaching him lessons about hard labor. Finally, Irvin reflects on why football is the ultimate team sport, how one player can’t win a Super Bowl alone, and why the Cowboys still have a shot at another championship this season.

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Speaker 20 Let me get the car. Give me one.

Speaker 20 That's my check right there, y'all. That check, that $1 million check.

Speaker 20 I left that right there on the table,

Speaker 20 right in my room. So soon as they walked in, they said, That's your check?

Speaker 20 All my life, been grinding all my life.

Speaker 20 Sacrifice, hustle paid the price. Want a slice, got to roll the dice.
That's why. All my life, I've been grinding all my life.

Speaker 20 All my life, I've been grinding all my life.

Speaker 20 Sacrifice, hustle paid the price, want a slice, got to roll the dice. That's why, all my life, I've been grinding all my life.

Speaker 20 Hello, welcome to another episode of Club Shay Shay. I am your host, Shannon Sharp.
I'm also the proprietor of Club Shay Shay. Stopping by for conversation and a drink today is an NFL icon.

Speaker 20 He's a Cowboys legend, one of the greatest receivers of all time. He's tied for the most 100-yard receiving games in the season.

Speaker 20 He's a three-time Super Bowl champ, three-time all-pro, five-time Pro Bowler, Pro Football Hall of Fame. He once led the NFL in receiving yards in a single season.

Speaker 20 He's an all-decade member of the 1990s. He played his entire career with one team.
America's team. A national tech champion with the Kanes.

Speaker 20 He's one of Florida's, he was on the Florida's all-century team, University of Miami Sports Hall of Famer, Texas Sports Hall of Famer.

Speaker 20 He was inducted into the Cowboys ring of honor, fearless competitor, clutch performer, and a vocal leader, sports analyst, broadcaster, seasoned commentator.

Speaker 20 He's a father, a husband, a brother, a son, and a great, great friend. Here he is, ladies and gentlemen.
Playmate.

Speaker 20 That's your hell of an intro. Oh, my God.
Dirt, Carlos. Did I do you right? Did I do you right?

Speaker 20 You don't even play. God,

Speaker 20 that's all you. That's all you, right? I always wanted to hear intro like that, man, but that really means you getting old.

Speaker 20 That's what that really means. You start getting

Speaker 20 all them lineups like that. But guess what? You get to hear it.
You get to hear it. Because you know, normally when they give you one like that, you don't know nothing about it.

Speaker 20 When you give you, they give you that one set of flowers.

Speaker 20 Here's what you need to hear. Here's what's on top of your grave.
At the same time, and you gone. So you're right, I get to hear it while I'm in time and I'm not in.

Speaker 20 Man, you know, you know, I got my own cognac. I don't know if you partake, but it's early today.
It's about

Speaker 20 six o'clock. Man, it's good time.

Speaker 20 It's good time.

Speaker 20 It's good time. You know what I mean?

Speaker 20 Hey, and we don't put any work, Shannon. Yeah.
We can stop early if we want and do a cognac. We can do that right now.

Speaker 20 Shannon.

Speaker 20 That's rich, Shannon. That's like, that ain't nothing made

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Speaker 20 That real stuff. That's shit.
Yeah, that's a real thumb. Why you don't come on? That real fire boy.
We go back 30. That's the real stuff, Shannon.
That's all right, man. Yeah.
How's that doing?

Speaker 20 How's the business doing? Doing really well. We're doing really well.
We're coming to Dallas. Man, that's great, man.

Speaker 20 That is great great right there buddy i appreciate that man how you been mike i'm doing great shannon i am absolutely doing fabulous i really am man i mean you know i saw you at the hall what about almost a month ago look about three weeks ago we was at the hall and you know how we do we get together in our little group and me and you we back at the back of the bus we laughing and talking had to do a little bit more serious this year because i was with my brother i had to be a little bit more serious but normally you and i

Speaker 20 we always cutting up and i i told you man i had so much fun and i'm not gonna lie man this year because I've been through things, you know what I mean?

Speaker 20 And, you know, I reach out, I tell you, I love you, and stuff like that when you're going through it. And I was watching it.
Because

Speaker 20 how we see the hall, right?

Speaker 20 That's our brotherhood. Yes.
And I know you felt everybody was trying to get around. Yeah, man, you're right.
Just they in here. We ain't thinking about that.
Correct. In here, it's us.

Speaker 20 And just to see that whole night, that whole week, you know, we laughing, messing with each other everywhere, messing around. And then

Speaker 20 to see Shannon, to see you up there with your brother, because I know what it means, your brother. And I don't know, do people know the relationship I have with Sterling?

Speaker 20 It would me, him, Tim coming in together,

Speaker 20 always talking, competing together. You know, I knew,

Speaker 20 I got to worry about that joker. I got to worry about that joker.

Speaker 20 Let me tell you how they got me. I promise you, when I was here,

Speaker 20 before I came here, Gil Brandt came to Miami and I was playing basketball. I set a workout at a certain time.
I did my workout for all the scouts.

Speaker 20 I'm shooting basketball. Gil Brandt comes late on purpose and he said, I wanted to see what kind of competitor you are.
He came in. We comes in the gym and they said,

Speaker 20 Gil Brent's from the Cowboys.

Speaker 20 I said, my workout's done. My workout's done.
You're done with it. I said, I already did the workout.
The joker came. And Gil, he said, oh, he just wanted to talk to you then.

Speaker 20 He came and talked to me. He said, yeah, he said, yeah, everything's going good.
He said, but you know, we're going to take a receiver. I understand.
We missed the workout.

Speaker 20 I can get it on tape, but I just left Sterling and boarded. He looked good.
I said, let's go work out.

Speaker 20 I said, let's go work out, man.

Speaker 20 Let's go get the workout in.

Speaker 20 That's about to choose bowling. That's how they told me.
I said, let's go get the workout of it. I went out and put that workout in.

Speaker 20 That's how we battle, man. That's what brings you that close, man.
So, you know, yeah, that was funny, man. But I love seeing it.

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Speaker 20 When I go back and I look at you, you are an outstanding basketball player. Was basketball your first love or was football always your first love?

Speaker 20 Basketball was my first love. Basketball was my first love.
But to be straight with you and honest with you, I know.

Speaker 20 I

Speaker 20 played with some top guys and played well with guys. Football just had a different confidence on the court.
You know what I mean? And I was like, man,

Speaker 20 and I'm not a one or two.

Speaker 20 I'm a rough guy. So I can rough these jokers in high school and maybe even college.

Speaker 20 But at 6'2 or 6'3, you ain't gonna be roughing them jokers at the other level. You know what I mean? And so I used to be out there, Mitch Richmond.
who's my best friend growing up.

Speaker 20 Mitch Richmond, that's who I played with all.

Speaker 20 We used to play high school and go around beating everybody all the time. You know, Mitch went, he's a Hall of Famer.
Yes. So

Speaker 20 Mitch and I, we grew up together.

Speaker 20 About two weeks before we got drafted, we were all in Miami. You know, Mitch is about to be a top five pick, top 10 pick.
I'm about to be a top 10, 11 pick in the draft.

Speaker 20 And we're eating at Denny's somewhere right across the street from the University of Miami. And I don't know, somehow we ain't got, nobody have any money.
Nobody has any money. Damn.

Speaker 20 Man, we done ate all this damn food. They called the police, and we were like, oh my God, man, what do you mean? How you mean

Speaker 20 no money? Police come, man. They're about to ready to take us to jail because we ain't got no money.
And we're like, listen, we're getting drafted in a couple of weeks, man.

Speaker 20 We'll come back and pay you.

Speaker 20 The cops took care of. They paid it and let us make it.
They paid. They said, boy, y'all got a.

Speaker 20 I swear, I don't know how we messed this up. But Mitch and I was so tight, man.
And I always thought if Mitch made it, I could have made it. But Mitch was a shooting guard.

Speaker 20 Mitch could shoot that thing. And

Speaker 20 I could shoot, but I couldn't handle the ball like that. So football for me

Speaker 20 was my way.

Speaker 20 I've always said, my brother tells the story, like when you come from rural South Georgia, there's really no one to look to that if you want to be, let's just say a doctor. We didn't know any doctor.

Speaker 20 If you wanted to be a lawyer, we really didn't know any lawyers. But if you wanted to be a professional athlete, who would we go? It's not like it is now where guys are accessible.

Speaker 20 You have the internet or you could go to a game and you can meet these guys somewhere. There was no one like that for you and I to look up to and say, you know what?

Speaker 20 That's what I want to be like, except on television. But we didn't have access where we could physically touch or talk to that individual.

Speaker 20 Our game came from, I don't want to be him.

Speaker 20 It's not, I want to be like him. It's like, I'm not going to be him.
That's how we fall. And honestly, because of where we come from, you know, and it's so funny you bring this up.

Speaker 20 Because of where we come from,

Speaker 20 you sit and be like, man, you know, darn. And he tells somebody

Speaker 20 i'm gonna make it to the league boy who you know made it to the league that's exactly that's what they are why they always say that like why i gotta know somebody you want to go do something then like because first thing because you know what mike when we was growing up if you got a job somebody helped you get that job right if you got a job at the poacher you had to know somebody that worked at the poster or the or the or the fruitcake or whatever you knew somebody who you know not who you know that's the way you're gonna get it that's exactly how they're at who you know

Speaker 20 playing so so boy

Speaker 20 right right right but i'm going and i got you better have a backup plan yeah i'm gonna have a backup plan y'all gonna back up when i get my money that's what you do back up when i get my money they ain't gonna back up right they never will back up but you know what i mean right but it's still and and that's i i started studying that too that's funny bringing up because I was studying for my kids.

Speaker 20 My kid. My kid was into music.
And he would be beating on things, you know, all the time around the house. And he's rapping out on the taratino.

Speaker 20 And I started studying it because, like you said, no, no, no. Saying no to him, you shouldn't say no.
Like they say that he may be walking out his talent or working out his talent.

Speaker 20 So I have to say to him, Elijah, everybody's not ready to hear it at this time. But I don't want to say no, no, no.

Speaker 20 And they surmise that African Americans hear the word no, no, no, no, so many more times than any other group. Like even if you say, mom, I think I'm gonna quit my manager job and go back to school.

Speaker 20 Boy, you better not do that, boy. Quit that good job.
Oh, you got a good job, boy. Don't quit that good job, but I'm going back to school.
I'm going to get better.

Speaker 20 You know, any other culture, that's a great idea. We'll help you.
You get rid of that apartment, move back in the house while you're doing it. So you can say, you know what I mean?

Speaker 20 So I wanted to get out of that. No, no, no.
And really, really. learn.

Speaker 20 But most, I tell my people, look, when you have a great calling, a great calling, something deep down inside of you, the next thing you'll have to show is courage.

Speaker 20 Because once you share that calling, everybody else is going to say, boy, who you know? You know what I'm saying? So you got to talk out of it. Right.
And sometimes out of love.

Speaker 20 It's not even negative. They love you.
And they're doing it out of love, but they didn't feel the call.

Speaker 20 So you just got to go with that call and have the courage to overstep what they're saying, but understand. You remember that 1992? I think it was Foot Locker Locker that put on the slam dunk contest.

Speaker 20 I think it was you, Griffey,

Speaker 20 Bonds,

Speaker 20 Tye, golly, yeah, Tye, all of us. Boy, that was a great.

Speaker 20 I don't know why they want, why they stopped doing that. They stopped doing the NFL fancies, man.
The way you can bring back the NBA dunk contest

Speaker 20 is make it NFL players.

Speaker 20 Boy, I guarantee you. You let NFL players, like you let

Speaker 20 a Miles Garrett get in that thing and dude let me tell you so why you that made me retire when I started seeing this kind of athleticism I we were playing a basketball game against

Speaker 20 Washington they had just drafted LeVar Arrington boy right a reunion arena I'm shooting out we've been winning

Speaker 20 Lamar gets that LeVar gets that ball

Speaker 20 and from the freak throw line

Speaker 20 I was like damn this is 250 60 60 pounds flight. I said, boy, it's time for you to tie.
But, Mike, they don't remember.

Speaker 20 They used to, the teams used to put together basketball teams in the offseason, and they would travel around. The Broncos would play the Raiders.
The Raiders would play the Cowboys.

Speaker 20 The Cowboys would play the Hoopsters. A random hoopster.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 20 By eight or nine. And, you know,

Speaker 20 they would see who had the best. Boy,

Speaker 20 we played, and we played it. We mess around.
We play around. And then we're going to mess around, playing around

Speaker 20 after the game. You see what I'm saying? We mess around in the game and then we play around.
You're seriously trying to win. Exactly.
And then after the game is what we're going to go.

Speaker 20 And when we had that, I don't know if we talked about this a lot about this in the documentary. I don't know if we even brought it up.

Speaker 20 But we would, oh my God, man, around here, and we were winning Super Bowl. So we're going to the McCallum, the Brownville, and all of them.
And boy, they were, hey, boy.

Speaker 20 I ran it so I would get the whole floor. Right.
I made them rent out the whole floor. I didn't want anybody on our floor because

Speaker 20 that may be, yeah, we just need to keep it in the family. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 20 So they gave me the whole floor. And we had some great times.
We would win games because we would play the fire department.

Speaker 20 That's exactly what it was. Right, right.
It's all charity. Then you sit around, sign, and then you go to the spot.
It's your spot, man.

Speaker 20 Those are great times. They don't do that stuff now.
They don't do that stuff. But back then, it was football teams were more

Speaker 20 family members. We did all that.
We did all that. We went bowling.
And I tell people this all the time. I say, I don't know how close teams are because I've been retired for two decades.

Speaker 20 You've been retired two plus decades. But we went bowling.
We went to movies. We did things together.
We went fishing. We did things together.
I mean, we rolling dice.

Speaker 20 We going over each other's house, rolling dice. We rolling dice at, I mean, we might not get home.
Practice might end at three o'clock. We got meetings.
Guys weren't getting home to seven o'clock.

Speaker 20 Right. Right.
Man, I remember my ass Steve Backwater told the story and said, man, y'all gonna get me divorced. I'm gonna be right here rolling dice with two guys I've put a bit on.
By my wife,

Speaker 20 right, right. But you know what? You know the importance of it.
And I try to tell people this. That's why here in Dallas, they were not going to the hotel the nights before a game.

Speaker 20 I said, what are we doing here? You know,

Speaker 20 and you win championships by making a commitment man to man. Right.

Speaker 20 One man to the other. That's what I was sharing with Miami.
I will get my job done. Now, the coach's job is to create moments so you can make them damn commitments to each other.

Speaker 20 And And the team, that's what we're doing. We're creating moments so we can make that commitment.
I used to be,

Speaker 20 we'll be in week three and I'm eating dinner with Eric Williams and we're eating after we're all together. I'm like, hey,

Speaker 20 big fellow, week eight, you got Reggie White coming in here. I got him, I got him.
I'm just letting you know.

Speaker 20 Reggie White coming in.

Speaker 20 You know, week four, we're doing it again. Big fellow, that was a good win.
But week eight, we got Reggie White coming. Leave me alone about Reggie White.
I said, okay, you're going to be ready.

Speaker 20 Be ready.

Speaker 20 He ready. Bring it up.
It's just ways you're trying to get that commitment made, one man to another, and get the job done.

Speaker 20 Who do you think, what state have produced the best athletes? Georgia, Florida, Texas.

Speaker 20 California.

Speaker 20 I love this battle because, you know.

Speaker 20 Look, it ain't about a handful of states that say

Speaker 20 Texas, Georgia, California, and Florida. That's only, look, Louisiana, Ohio.
I'm sorry. But it's really a four-horse race.
It's a four-year jump in now, but it is a four-horse race.

Speaker 20 I'm with you on that. And y'all know where I'm playing my flag.
Now, now, now,

Speaker 20 they got some athletes here. They got some athletes here, man.
But

Speaker 20 it's usually, usually, the greater the pain, the greater the gain. Yes.

Speaker 20 And we got great athletes in all of those places,

Speaker 20 but out of all of those places, the greatest pain is coming from Florida. And I said, those boys in Florida got the greatest pain.

Speaker 20 But yeah, man, we used to joke about that around here, man. Like, think about it.
When we were rolling, it's like, hey, we had the top three dudes from Florida. Deion, Emmett, and me.

Speaker 20 Florida, Florida, State, and Miami. So we were like, we used to be arguing with the dudes from Texas.
Joker, y'all wouldn't be winning this if we weren't here. So shut up.
Just shut up right now.

Speaker 20 Enjoy this project.

Speaker 20 We used to do that all the time around.

Speaker 20 All right, I'm going to ask you this. Give me your Matt Rushmore of Florida players.

Speaker 20 You know. Yeah.
Somebody go get left off.

Speaker 20 I'm going to throw some names out. You got Ty,

Speaker 20 you got Ray Lewis. You got Sal.
Deion's one. Emmett.
Deion's one. Lamar Jackson.
Dee Henry, Brian Jawkins. I know.
Ocho Cinco, and Tony Oprah.

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Speaker 33 Starts off as a very standard cruising story.

Speaker 34 Yeah, one that a bathroom, someone follows you in.

Speaker 20 God, you look familiar.

Speaker 24 And then I'm going to call up one of my girls and be like, is this your dad?

Speaker 33 Can you please confirm?

Speaker 20 Is this your dad?

Speaker 24 Please confirm. I have never, ever, ever run into a friend's parent on any dating app at any party.

Speaker 24 Good thing you and your friends don't go cruising together, right?

Speaker 36 They might have had a very different experience. Dad? Wishing you and

Speaker 24 from under the matron. You just see the mouth button.

Speaker 20 You're like, dad? Is that you?

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Speaker 20 Brown, yourself, Frank Gore.

Speaker 20 Dude, dude,

Speaker 20 and some that even got cut short. If Jerome Brown, if

Speaker 20 Jerome Brown, Didn't care get cut short, life got cut short.

Speaker 20 He would be right. It'd be Dion, Jerome Brown.
You know what I'm saying? People don't believe how good Jay Boogie was, man. What? Man, Axe was my receiver coach.

Speaker 20 He was the one that recruited Jerome Brown. He would always tell us stories.
He said, man, listen, I went to recruit Jerome Brown.

Speaker 20 His dad was over there in Brookville up under the car working on the car. He came on out, shook, man.

Speaker 20 And he said, then the car fell off. the rock

Speaker 20 and he was like he said he was waiting on him to put a jack back under there and start jacking it up. He opened the door and said, What? Called the wife named, Tell JB to get on down here.

Speaker 20 And JB came on down.

Speaker 20 What's up?

Speaker 20 The truck car fell. He said, JB,

Speaker 20 left the car, they put the bricks back on. Coach said,

Speaker 20 Please sign this.

Speaker 20 Please sign this college.

Speaker 20 Please sign this. I don't saw no.
I don't saw no. We ain't got to see no more.
He's inside this college. JB was a bad boy.
But I would have to go down.

Speaker 20 Ray Lewis, I would have to put Ray in there.

Speaker 20 I don't see myself physically gifted enough, even throwing myself on a Mount Rushmore out of Florida. You know what I mean? Not physically gifted.
Now, I'll put my ironwear.

Speaker 20 I'll put my artwork up against anybody. What about the you? What if we put the you players, Mount Rushmore? Yeah, and that too, you know, because we always arguing about this.

Speaker 20 We always arguing about this now. We always argue.
Now, now, mean, Ray,

Speaker 20 Air Reed, Warren Sapp,

Speaker 20 and all the people that ain't them always want to throw in Sean Taylor and all. I say, y'all stop.

Speaker 20 Y'all stop. Because all of them boys are bad and they deserve their rights.

Speaker 20 But I'm the only one on offense.

Speaker 20 Stop that mess right now.

Speaker 20 Hey, if it was a quarterback, you had a shot at getting ahead of me. But he ain't no quarterback in here.
So it is odd. You can stop that right now.
It is odd. Yeah,

Speaker 20 we have that debate all the time, man. What made you wear 47? Man,

Speaker 20 they give those numbers at Miami. Remember, Eddie Brown were number 40.
Stanley Shakespeare was

Speaker 20 six.

Speaker 20 My boy Brett was 33.

Speaker 20 I didn't want 47. I went to Jimmy on this, man.
I had a long talk. Jimmy,

Speaker 20 I said, Coach, man, listen, can I just change to seven?

Speaker 20 I said, wide receiver, number seven. I'm going to give you some touchdowns, seven points.
We need seven. He said, Michael, I'm just a freshman.

Speaker 20 He said, Michael, you know what I see when I see you with that 47 on in practice and you be catching them ball, you look like a big 747, catching that thing about to land in the end zone with a perfect landing.

Speaker 20 I was like, yeah?

Speaker 20 That was just like, I swear, I was like, yeah. For all of a sudden, that 47 look crisp again.

Speaker 20 Hey, I'm trying to get a job. If the head coach seemed like the 747, I said, yeah.
I was like, okay. Man,

Speaker 20 a few years later, we get here and we were having a drink after we did something. I was with Coach.
He said, Michael, I can't believe you brought that story. I said, what story, Coach? That 47.

Speaker 20 I say you dirty dog.

Speaker 20 And plus, y'all was in a down stance. You remember, Mike, y'all was in a down stance.

Speaker 20 Y'all didn't stand up wide and split out. Y'all was in a down stance.

Speaker 20 I was just back at Miami the other day and we were talking about that. Dude,

Speaker 20 Mike Rumpnum coming up to me because we always argue about who's the best, the 101 team or the 87 championship team.

Speaker 20 The 91 championship team, all the championship teams. And he was like, boy, you couldn't have got me in no three-point stand.
I said, dog.

Speaker 20 It's impossible to jam a receiver coming up at that three-point stand. It's impossible.
It's impossible. So, so yeah, I don't know why receivers do it today.
I don't know why they stand up. So, like,

Speaker 20 if you had, if they had, well, there's just no way. You would have to get down.
You got to get down.

Speaker 20 Because the cornerbacks, looking at the cornerbacks, I had to go through Deion Sanders, Daryl Green, Rod Woodson, Champ Bailey, Aeneas. Aeneas Williams.
And now the other guy just got in, Eric Allen.

Speaker 20 All of those guys went. Everywhere I went on the football field.
And

Speaker 20 they tucked me in at night and handed me the toilet paper when I was stuck and needed to wipe. They went everywhere with you.
So I always say, I went through gold jackets to get to my gold rings.

Speaker 20 And it was a different time back then. The cornerbacks was real.

Speaker 20 Why did you tell the Packers not to draft you?

Speaker 20 Because they had the seventh pick. They ended up taking my brother.

Speaker 20 I heard him telling the story. Yeah.
That they were going to draft me. He's right.
They were. They called me because I was a junior.
Right. Like, I was graduating early.
Right. Right.

Speaker 20 When you were coming out back then, you had to graduate to go to school, go to the draft early. But it gave me control over the draft.
So if somebody calls me and I didn't want to go, I can decline.

Speaker 20 I'm going back to school. And that's what I want.
I just wanted control.

Speaker 20 I wanted my, I was directed towards, you know,

Speaker 20 somewhere on the West Coast,

Speaker 20 in New York. I really just wanted to be in Dallas.
You know, so I always wanted to be in Dallas. So I was trying to work my way.
I had saw Bernie Cozar work his way to Cleveland. Yeah.
Remember?

Speaker 20 Sophomore. It was a supplemental draft.
So I was just trying to, yeah. So when they called, I'm sitting there.

Speaker 20 We ain't got a dime.

Speaker 20 It's the seventh pick. The 17, you got 17, brother? Right.
And they all looking like, are we rich yet? Are we rich yet?

Speaker 20 Like, no,

Speaker 20 not yet. Not yet.
That's it. Not yet.
Right. Like, start back up, back up.
Right. So, yeah, that thing was funny, man.
But then I started thinking,

Speaker 20 who, who, who, who, who, who, who,

Speaker 20 you know,

Speaker 20 the weather-wise, I'm coming from Florida, going to Green Bay, and not just weather and temperature. But you got Chicago,

Speaker 20 all that, all that idea. It's just

Speaker 20 no.

Speaker 20 And Nora Turner, who was with the Rams at the time, had spent that draft with me.

Speaker 20 The Rams were going to draft me at 14. Nor was there with me.
They took Aaron Cox. Yeah, because the Cowboys took me at 11.
Yeah.

Speaker 20 And Noah was so disappointed, and Noah went back. And then it was so funny, after

Speaker 20 a couple years here,

Speaker 20 Dave Schuler, the office coordinator we had here, he was like, we should trade Michael. And Jimmy was, you know, they were talking about trading me because I had coming off a knee surgery.

Speaker 20 And Jimmy came to me, he said, listen,

Speaker 20 the guy pulling the trigger don't think you can do it anymore. And he said,

Speaker 20 I've had way more success with you than I've had with him.

Speaker 20 I'm going to let him go and get you an offensive coordinator.

Speaker 20 Get this thing going. And that's when they brought in.
They brought in Nerve. Nor because Nora was at with Ernie Zampezi.
Ernest Zampezi. So everything was.

Speaker 20 I thought I was going to be with Harry Ellen. I thought I was going to be with him.
And let me tell you how North got me, dog. We came here.
It was March, right?

Speaker 20 As soon as they signed March, I'm coming off the ACL, right? You know, so my head is like, okay, can I play again? I'm going through this.

Speaker 20 I ain't never been through anything like I went through with ACL. That took me through something.

Speaker 20 I don't know if I can play. We take us out in March.

Speaker 20 He said, let's go. I want you to see you run this bang eight.
I said, what's a bang eight? He said, four steps, hit that one leg. I'm going to put it on you right there.
I said, okay, let's go on it.

Speaker 20 You know, we go out. We ran the first two routes.

Speaker 20 He said, well, I don't know what they told me. That's plenty of speed for me.
Make sure you catch that bang eight.

Speaker 20 Is it going to be that safe for it? That's scared for.

Speaker 20 I mean, then he started putting the game plan together, man.

Speaker 20 Nor was our blessing for all of us.

Speaker 20 He put Emmett in the right way, right place to win. He put Troy in the right place to win, and that just made it great.
And it was so funny that he spent, he was with me on the draft.

Speaker 20 They tried to get me before.

Speaker 20 So it all worked out. It definitely worked out.

Speaker 20 I hear you talking about in the...

Speaker 20 America, what is it? America's team,

Speaker 20 the gambler and the cowboy. The gambler and the cowboy.
You talking about how difficult that first Super Bowl was. It says, of all the ones, that was the toughest to win.
Yeah.

Speaker 20 Why was that one so tough?

Speaker 20 And it was the most gratifying too. Yes.

Speaker 20 Because

Speaker 20 it's right up against all the hard work.

Speaker 20 It's right up against the 3-13, my first year, the 1-15. my second year.

Speaker 20 And it's the turn.

Speaker 20 I'm coming from Miami, and I know what it takes to win. And I'm seeing

Speaker 20 right.

Speaker 20 And I'm like, dang, what's going on, man?

Speaker 20 And I got here. I thought,

Speaker 20 this is it. It's the best right here.
You know what I mean? But then you get in the league, you find out some of these jokes are about money. It ain't about being the best.

Speaker 20 And I was like, dude, I couldn't take that.

Speaker 20 Like right now, I was talking about Emmett because I talked with him today and I was like, man,

Speaker 20 Jerry knew

Speaker 20 I couldn't hold out. I couldn't hold out.
As long as I have held out or stayed away was the Wednesday before the first game, I'm I gotta go play. You know, I gotta go play.
You know, it's just

Speaker 20 yeah, they know that.

Speaker 20 He used that against me. He used it against me.
He used it against me.

Speaker 20 Right, right, right. But I wasn't planning on going nowhere either.
Because remember now, I have my plan from the jump street that I was, I knew I'm going to have some back end.

Speaker 20 I was making sure my back end going to be good. I'm going to be right here.
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 20 And that's what you got to consider that. Michael has to consider that.
You know, Michael, you get opportunity right now. You're going to get the highest pay guarantee and all of those things.

Speaker 20 Everybody said, well,

Speaker 20 are you going to risk a million dollars here, two million dollars a year here?

Speaker 20 And

Speaker 20 you got another $100 million podcast. That's only going to be a $100 million podcast if you're with the Cowboys.
Right. It's not $100 million podcast if you're with somebody else.
True. So

Speaker 20 the whole gathering, Micah, has to see, you're a whole, you ain't no businessman, you're a whole business

Speaker 20 man.

Speaker 20 And make sure all of your entities up under that umbrella coverage is going to be taken care of. And that podcast has to have a star on it.

Speaker 20 That you mentioned that. Have you talked to Micah about that? Like one, like, Micah,

Speaker 20 what can't you do

Speaker 20 with 41, 42, 43 million that you can only do with 46 million? Yeah, but that's logic. And that's our world.
That's our world.

Speaker 20 Their world is not the world of logic like that.

Speaker 20 It's social media.

Speaker 20 The world's going to know.

Speaker 20 I'm only making 41 and he making 43. And I'm not saying Michael like this, but this is their generation.
This is why.

Speaker 20 When we're disappointed, we're going to screw up, and all of them do it. Everyone in this generation.
We're disappointed with team. We take everything.
Everything with cowboy related.

Speaker 20 Everything going to come.

Speaker 20 It's like a breakup with your girlfriend. You take everything, all the pictures that you got with them.
Go back by five years. You're going back and raising everything.
Where that come from?

Speaker 20 You know, I don't know where this started from. Like, hey,

Speaker 20 hey, I ain't taking all my money off shit.

Speaker 20 Do you understand?

Speaker 20 I ain't taking all my money off neck. That's what I'm telling y'all.
So, you know, I don't know where you get that from. So that's what's the difference.
Like, do you know what I mean?

Speaker 20 It ain't going to matter.

Speaker 20 And a lot of people won't even even see it. It'll just be somewhere in the office.
So sometimes somebody said, bring it up.

Speaker 20 But it won't be every day you got to hear everybody's opinion that you took a million dollars less. Did you see what's going on with Roger Jackson? Roger Jackson, I saw him the other night.

Speaker 20 After he did that ling, I'm tired of everybody messing with me. I'm tired of them calling them.

Speaker 20 Who you mad at? These are the people you're inviting. You streaming.
You, yes. You streaming.
What are you doing? You're streaming.

Speaker 20 You begging these people to come in and then you don't like what they say and you want to go break another dude's face because

Speaker 20 that that's this joke that that's what that is

Speaker 20 do have you ever thought about mike what it would have been like to play you're playmaker you playing for the cowboy at his apex and there's this thing called social media yeah have you ever thought about that for just a second yeah i did i i was telling somebody this story man i did the ea sports when he first brought in the legends of ea sports i did the appearance and I was speaking at an EA Sports conference and we were talking about social media and all that.

Speaker 20 I said, listen,

Speaker 20 I told him I was scared. I said, I would be scared to live in today's and play in today's time.
I couldn't make it.

Speaker 20 I couldn't make it when it was news at 11, let alone talk about Twitter every second. Give me my butt.

Speaker 20 He only had the six and 11 o'clock news.

Speaker 20 He stayed in the business. Yeah, I couldn't make it.
When it was news at 11, left. God damn it.

Speaker 20 I ain't got no chance. I ain't got no chance.
Zero. So I was like, hey, man.
With all these camera phones with the camera phone.

Speaker 20 I got to stay playing, boy. I got to stay playing.
Keep me playing. I'm telling you.
Keep me playing and I ain't playing. And you know what, Shannon? I know that.
I know what's real.

Speaker 20 You know what I mean? I know what's real. I know.
what's good for me now. I know what's not good for me now.
Like, keep me busy is good. Right.

Speaker 20 The report is that you talked to Travis Kelsey. You had a conversation with Cavis Trip, Travis Kelsey, because he was trying to do something that you guys were trying to do, which is three-peat.

Speaker 20 Nobody's ever done the three-peat.

Speaker 20 And I believe, and we're going to talk about this after you ask this question about you believe that you guys, if you'd have kept getting it, you believe you would have three-peat it. You believe you.

Speaker 20 But what did you, what info, what did you tell Kelsey how to approach the season, go into the three-peat, once they make it through the gauntlet to get through the season,

Speaker 20 get through the playoffs, and get to the Super Bowl?

Speaker 20 What did you share with him? Man, first thing I said, man, was

Speaker 20 because then he asked, first thing you go through is the disappointment of not getting it done.

Speaker 20 And that's what I was talking to my guys at Miami about even yesterday. Like,

Speaker 20 dude, I don't know how other people,

Speaker 20 how are they going to have peace at the end of it all? I mean, I've won championships on

Speaker 20 just about all levels, everywhere. And I still.

Speaker 20 It's the ones that you don't win that eat you.

Speaker 20 It's not the ones that you win.

Speaker 20 I should have gone up at that ball. I should have jumped up and Dion, it would have definitely clarified the past interference.
Right. But I'm thinking, it's going to drop right down.

Speaker 20 And if I can just drop it, if I wait by it'll drop right by and it drop bound and I'm going to stretch the thing out and I'm going to get that game winner. I wanted to be the hero.

Speaker 20 All I had to do was get the ball and now we're down for.

Speaker 20 And I cannot let let that go. I can't let it go, so you know, man, yeah, man, that's just the ones that get away, it's something that you deal with and live with all the time.

Speaker 20 But

Speaker 20 does the three-peat change how people look at Michael Irving and well,

Speaker 20 or how we see the cowboy? Michael Irving would have looked at Michael Irvin. And let me tell you that, like, think about it now.

Speaker 20 Now, when you go and get what Kansas City has done,

Speaker 20 mine.

Speaker 20 Yes, it makes it more important.

Speaker 20 I regret it more that I didn't get it when Kansas City or when New England had their run. Right.
You see, now because you want to be the first.

Speaker 20 I was worried about y'all. I was like,

Speaker 20 well, we didn't have a chance.

Speaker 20 John retired. Right, right, right, right.

Speaker 20 John ain't want to retire. I said, get your old butt out of there.
Stop messing around.

Speaker 20 I had to worry about y'all right after that. Yeah.
That thing rolled off like, dirt, man.

Speaker 20 I don't care what they say. I want everybody to have great, do great, but I just want want to leave me a little mark up there something.

Speaker 20 Leave me something up there. At least something that they can remember me pop.
Emmett, it's an Emmet. Like, Emmett, he's all-time leading rush.
Yeah, nobody's going to get that record. No, nobody.

Speaker 20 I'm going to run the ball like that. Nobody gets that recording.

Speaker 20 Right, right, right, right. Nobody will get that record.
I just want something to leave up there for me. Right.

Speaker 20 Have the Chiefs taken over America's team? Because you see what happened yesterday. Kelsey and Taylor, they get mad.

Speaker 20 They're the new American team. They done took over from y'all, Mike.
And I ain't going to go that far.

Speaker 20 I'm going that far. i ain't won't because she's she's on she's america's daughter she's

Speaker 20 on the america's team but they are those two is america's dream couple i'll give it that those two right now america dream and i'm gonna tell you and say listen i i've said this openly travis kelcey i love him more than anybody in the national football he's amazing that's my dude that's

Speaker 20 he is genuinely that's my dude man and let me tell you why this my dude you know we were at that one of this pro bowls i was coaching the pro bowl you know and he that was one of his early pro bowls and he was coming man you gotta draft me my you gotta draft me don't leave me out there because he's worried younger guy he said you kick me button they're gonna let you down i said come on young buck you're young buck now you know

Speaker 20 by your time by your time you know you gotta draft don't be leaving me out here

Speaker 20 and i did draft him i did draft him but he was so good and my son played tight end my son plays tight end But he was, man, he was so good with my son, and he didn't have to be, you know, and he really took care of him.

Speaker 20 I was was like now that's a different dude i just i just appreciate him and and ever since then we've been so close but i was telling the man listen

Speaker 20 don't let this get by you

Speaker 20 because you

Speaker 20 no matter what you've been you're gonna think about it all your life don't get and they gonna think about it because they got thawned they got thumped they got thawn because they weren't even close

Speaker 20 they were not even close and they gonna think about it but yeah yeah man he was and i love that think about it he just won back to back that's what we were talking about before this is colin coward from from the Colin Coward podcast.

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Speaker 33 It starts off as a very standard cruising story.

Speaker 34 Yeah, one that requires a bathroom, someone follows you in.

Speaker 20 God, you look familiar.

Speaker 24 And then I'm going to call up one of my girls and be like, is this your dad?

Speaker 33 Can you please confirm?

Speaker 20 Is this your dad?

Speaker 24 Please confirm. I have never, ever, ever run into a friend's parent on any dating app at any party.

Speaker 24 Good thing you and your friends don't go cruising together, right?

Speaker 36 They might have had a very different experience. Dad? Wishing you and

Speaker 24 from under the bathroom, you just see the mouth on and you're like, dad, is that you?

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Speaker 20 That's the kind of guy you know. No matter what he do, he's going to win.
Yeah. He's going to win.
And certainly now that you got to take it in. He's going to win.

Speaker 20 The fight's over.

Speaker 20 The fight is over. Call it a career, right? Call it a career.

Speaker 20 When you got that signing bonus, what was the first thing you did?

Speaker 20 That cowboy, were they that first one? Yeah.

Speaker 20 I just came from Brokeville, Florida.

Speaker 20 Brokeville, Florida. Not Brooksville.
I'm from Fort Lauderdale, but Brokeville, where everybody was broke. You know, dude, I was young too, man.
I was crazy, man. I didn't know anything.

Speaker 20 I bought me a house, too. I was so crazy.
I don't ain't a lot of houses, but I remember my first house I bought, right? They were showing me all these houses, big houses, this house.

Speaker 20 I said, that one over there, what's that one over there? They said, well,

Speaker 20 okay, let's go look at it.

Speaker 20 And I bought that house because it had fully, it had the pool and everything,

Speaker 20 but it had a eight feet gate. Yeah.

Speaker 20 Yeah, all I knew. Yeah, I don't want anybody to see me in the pool with what I'm doing.

Speaker 20 That was the parameter that I need to buy my first house. You see what I'm saying?

Speaker 20 You already know you're going to be coming. Right, right, right.
So I know I'm coming here.

Speaker 20 And then let me tell you what I did. With that first check, let me get the car.
Give me one.

Speaker 20 That's my check right there, y'all. That check, that million-dollar check,

Speaker 20 I left that right there on the table, right in my room. So as soon as they walked in, they said, that's your check?

Speaker 20 I had my financial people calling me talking, man, sitting that check, Michael, we're losing, we're losing. I said, shoot, I'm winning.

Speaker 20 What you talking about? I'm winning like a mug, boy.

Speaker 20 I said, boy, y'all tripping, boy. Hey,

Speaker 20 but it's real. It was real.
It was real.

Speaker 20 Coming in, as you mentioned, coming from a large, large family like yours, even though you got a million dollars, man, when you try to break our brothers and sisters mike

Speaker 20 ain't a whole lot left you got you know you got to take care of mom and dad right i think your father passed right right before you got drafted right you got to take care of mom you got to take care of brothers and sisters mike that ain't a whole that ain't a whole lot left over yeah yeah but back then that was a lot of money

Speaker 20 we really waited minute now because you give somebody 2500 well i'll give somebody 2500 5 000 man i'm coming off we coming off this this ain't coming from where they come these dudes now these kids now they got NIL dudes.

Speaker 20 I was getting $20 a weekend, and mom took the first 15. You joking? Left me with five dudes coming from $5 a weekend to getting them.
I left that check right there.

Speaker 20 I was going to get every bit of that check.

Speaker 20 So, yeah, now

Speaker 20 here's the kicker to all of us that we have to get to.

Speaker 20 And people have to understand, making money is one thing. How you let it go is

Speaker 20 as important.

Speaker 20 So especially us too, especially us, because we know there's so many people holding on to the caboose that you got to bring along on this train. It's never just us.
Right.

Speaker 20 It's never just my, it wasn't just my, it's never just yeah, you know, I got grandma, I got sister, you know, my brother made it, but you know, I got mom, I got, I got other people that's counting on me.

Speaker 20 And it took me through that first contract to figure out and get the understanding of financial literacy enough to know how to best handle that.

Speaker 20 So to get everything and put everything into a trust. So my whole family into the trust.
So now when I'm handing you money, I'm handing you money and I'm going to send you tax papers.

Speaker 20 So we're handing you money now at your tax bracket instead of me handing you money at my tax bracket. So if I give you a million dollars, I got to make a meal seven at my bracket to give you a meal.

Speaker 20 You know what I'm saying? So now

Speaker 20 we got to learn to do that.

Speaker 20 Throw everybody in your trust.

Speaker 20 We in the Irving Family Dynasty skipping trust. We ain't never paying the government nothing.
When we lead time, we ain't giving you nothing.

Speaker 20 And when I send money to my mom, who's who, you know, when she was, God rest her soul, when she was alive, I'm not paying at my tax bracket.

Speaker 20 These are the things that we have to learn to make sure we stay up.

Speaker 20 Why were you so forthcoming in the documentary? A lot of the stuff, you know, you and I had talked about.

Speaker 20 And I was like, when I found out the documentary was coming out, I was thinking to myself, how forthcoming is Michael going to be? Is he going to be as forthcoming as he's with me and him talking?

Speaker 20 Or is he going to put that on front of the radio camera? I'm going to be straight because you know you're my boy to the heart, man.

Speaker 20 You're my boy to the heart. And even when you call me first and talk about all the things you said, Michael,

Speaker 20 I want you to do this with me. I want to do.

Speaker 20 I was like, ooh, shh, damn, Shannon.

Speaker 20 I don't know. Man,

Speaker 20 I'm scared. Cause listen, you guys, you're talking, well, watching your show, your Nightcap stuff, you guys be talking about some stuff.
And this is what I was afraid of.

Speaker 20 And I said, okay, like, listen, here's the problem now.

Speaker 20 I got some real dead bodies out here.

Speaker 20 And I don't need nobody coming up out the grave talking about me, Undertaker.

Speaker 20 I don't need all these grave sites raising back up. When I said, yeah, well, I was over here with this

Speaker 20 well i don't need them girls coming up tomorrow yeah i saw that check when he was young no sit your old button down it's too late now

Speaker 20 you know see but but but that's the kind of thing so i was worried about that but the reality is man if you don't share people will receive it and put their thing on it right you know what i mean and and not get it in the way that you got it like we were talking about a lot of the things we did white house all that stuff that's what don't don't those you you can think about the other side of it, the women and all of that stuff.

Speaker 20 But it was also team building and team bunding, you know, and that's that's what we did, you know. So talking about it and getting the stories out the correct way, correct way, it's palatable now.

Speaker 20 It's palatable now. It wasn't palatable back then.
They won't take it now. But these kids, they got Love Island.
Everybody doing everything with everybody. Hey, that ain't nothing I did.

Speaker 20 So we we good

Speaker 20 at the time would you i mean like you like man you know what i think this would be a good idea you know let's get a spot right across from practice

Speaker 20 it's like anything else it grew to that yeah it grew to that you know we had because you're thinking about the white house

Speaker 20 right the white house was the was the was the end game this thing grew it started out you know hotels then we had an apartment and then we went to the house you know what i mean so so at at each spot, there were issues.

Speaker 20 Like, you know, you know what happened at the hotel, you know, the hotel. The boys ordinances, the people came and did.
Right, and they set me up at the hotel. You know, I'm so dumb.

Speaker 20 I got the girls getting the room. They got the room under their name.
I'm thinking I'm being slick. But

Speaker 20 I won't put down the benzos.

Speaker 20 And they got Playmaker written all on them. I'm still driving parking.

Speaker 20 What good is doing that if I'm going to pull up in here in the bins with Playmaker Flash? Play like a playmaker. So it's just because you're stupid.
You don't know.

Speaker 20 So it went from

Speaker 20 the hotel. Man, you know how much money we spending on the hotel?

Speaker 20 Let's just get an apartment. And then we got an apartment and I had apartment.
And then, you know, you bring a few girls over to the apartment. And then...

Speaker 20 And then things ain't going right with all the girls. And they over there making all these noise and screaming.
Ah, what's going on? They kicking in the window. I said,

Speaker 20 maybe we shouldn't be in an apartment building.

Speaker 20 So, so then we finally got a house to try to woo that thing. Well, Jerry finally find out.
Leon Lett called me, dude. I'll never forget it.
And New Jack City hadn't been out too long.

Speaker 20 We had just, I had just seen New Jack City. And Cat called me.
He said, Michael, I never forget. We're here to do the cave.
Careful. He said, Michael,

Speaker 20 we've been infiltrated.

Speaker 20 He said, Man, I'm telling you right now, shut down the white house.

Speaker 20 Huh? Negro, this ain't no movie. Hey, hey, shake, shut down the carter.

Speaker 20 Hey, shut down the carter.

Speaker 20 Catch him, I'm telling you, I'm telling you.

Speaker 20 About two weeks later, I'm in meetings.

Speaker 20 And Jerry called me, and it's Winston, it's installed. You know, I want to be in here.
Like, wait a minute, dude, we're going to know the plays. And they peek in the door chair.

Speaker 20 I said, no, I'll tell them in a minute, in a minute, when we're installed. I got to make sure they put it in the right place

Speaker 20 right now. He said, no,

Speaker 20 I'm going to see you right now. I said, we can't wait.
He said, right now.

Speaker 20 You know, so I go, and he asked me about, he said, Michael, there's a story breaking

Speaker 20 about some house y'all got over here somewhere, a white house. I said, oh, shit.

Speaker 20 I thought about that. I said, I should have shut down that.

Speaker 20 You should have shut it down. You should have shut it down.
Hey, man, he asked me about it. Do you know who dimed it out?

Speaker 20 Yes, I do.

Speaker 20 I know, well, a few people dimed it out. But yeah, yeah, we know.
We know they got it out. When he asked me, though, I ain't had no answer.
Jerry would tell a story. He said,

Speaker 20 I came in, I'm sitting there, and he said, just be honest with me. You know, I'm going to be with you.
I'll fight for you as long as you're honest. And I thought about it.

Speaker 20 And I just told him, I said, boss,

Speaker 20 we were trying to do the wrong thing the right way.

Speaker 20 I said, we were trying to do the wrong thing the right way. I thought through it.
I thought through it, but it's just, you know what I mean?

Speaker 20 And it was a good plan because at first, you know, here again, we start, we're gonna park at the complex and bring over one car. So all the cars won't have to be.

Speaker 20 We walked, yeah, a whole bunch of cars. I know now, already at the hotel, we got all our cars identified.
So we'll park at the complex and come over here in one car.

Speaker 20 And then, you know, as you get more and more loose with that and you're out drinking, you come to the club, pretty soon we had a whole parking lot out there. And that really gave us away.

Speaker 20 Them old people that were living next to us said we were making too much noise. That's what they were saying.
So, yeah, but yeah, it was crazy times, man.

Speaker 20 Do you remember the first time you were introduced to drugs? You know,

Speaker 20 it's so funny.

Speaker 20 When I went through the thing here

Speaker 20 at the hotel,

Speaker 20 Jerry set up a meeting with the district attorney.

Speaker 20 His name was Mike Gillette.

Speaker 20 It's a private meeting.

Speaker 20 We met to talk talk about the case.

Speaker 20 I said to him, I said, Jerry said, man, listen, this is,

Speaker 20 let's just get this case out the way so we can get back on the field. I need you to set it up.

Speaker 20 I need you to go talk with him and just be honest with him, be straight with him, and see if we can get this thing. Because right now, it just seems like he's after you.
He's after you. I said, okay.

Speaker 20 Now, you guys got to understand. Now, that night in the hotel,

Speaker 20 when all of this went down, when the police came,

Speaker 20 they arrested the girl. I went home.
I went home. Now, then they hired this new guy, Mike Gillette, they hired this new district attorney,

Speaker 20 three, four months later. And he went back.
Now we're into getting ready to work for the season.

Speaker 20 He went back and looked at the case and opened it up. Right, okay.
And opened up the case. He reopened it.
He reopened all of it. He said,

Speaker 20 Well, because I didn't have any standings. You got to have standings.
That means the room was not in my name. Right.
The room was her name. They found the things with her.
So they said, okay,

Speaker 20 we can just take her

Speaker 20 and let you go if she says it's hers. And she says they're mine.
She's a good girl. She was a good girl.
And that hurts me too, Dobby. Listen,

Speaker 20 she really was a good girl. And what happened with her was just not right, you know, because I really liked her.
She was a good girl. She wasn't a dancer.
I had met her at a club.

Speaker 20 But, you know,

Speaker 20 they put her out as a prostitute.

Speaker 20 It was just wrong. So I really, because she was, I had,

Speaker 20 before we went to the Super Bowl,

Speaker 20 I had. Was this the first Super Bowl or the second Super Bowl?

Speaker 20 No, before we went to the second Super Bowl.

Speaker 20 No, this happened when we got back from the third Super Bowl. Okay.
This happened when we got back to the third Super Bowl.

Speaker 20 Before we went to, before we went to the Super Bowl, the third Super Bowl, you know, you get all them tickets, your tickets.

Speaker 20 Yeah, they used to give you both a little ticket. They used to get about 30 tickets back then, Mike.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You You should give about 30 tickets back then.
They cut it down.

Speaker 20 Yeah, yeah, they cut it way down.

Speaker 20 Because they know you get them 30 tickets and them people out there waiting, they'll give you three, four, five thousand dollars a ticket. Boy, I mean, I had about a hundred

Speaker 20 on me.

Speaker 20 And I was, we were hanging around. I said, hey, listen, I pulled pill like a lot.
I said, hey, go get an apartment. Because when I come back, I do not want to come back to these hotels.
Right.

Speaker 20 Go get an apartment. And

Speaker 20 she was like,

Speaker 20 I don't want to take your money like that I was like no no you don't take my money go in the apartment right we don't want to be in here right and and you know

Speaker 20 I come back and then when I get back after and then I go I want to see I go see her and I ask her she came back she gives me back the money I said what did you do what are you doing I don't I don't want to be like that you know that so she was a real good girl and then all of this goes down you know so it made me feel extra bad yeah it made me feel extra bad for her man because she didn't deserve it but when i was dealing with mike gillette and jerry asked me to go meet with him and she took you know she took it she took it she took it right she took it so i can go home and and and i i always respect her for that and and and she's just one of the good people uh um but he had me a private meeting you and him me and gillette me and the dissenter

Speaker 20 me and him Private meeting, and this Joker sits down with me, man, and he says, he says, I said, what's Gillette?

Speaker 20 I'm going to tell you what happened. I'll tell you the truth.
I said, now,

Speaker 20 I got off an airplane, because I had an autograph station,

Speaker 20 so

Speaker 20 and I came to the hotel. And you have a girl claiming that those are hers.
I said, now, I'm not telling you I've never brought drugs to the hotel. I'm just telling you this time.
That night I didn't.

Speaker 20 I didn't bring the drugs to the hotel. You know, trying to be honest and trying to be straight.
I said, I'm trying to be honest. I'm being straight with you.
His exact words was to me. It was to me.

Speaker 20 And he jumped in early. he says, let me tell you what I think.
He said, first of all, the truth is what I make it. And you'll find that when I get it, when we get in the courtroom.

Speaker 20 And then he told me, I promise you, he said to me, he said, you know,

Speaker 20 I personally think you're a piece of shit. And you're using your fame to take advantage of these poor white women.
the white girls and I'm going to put you away.

Speaker 20 He said his exact words, I'm going to fillet you like a fish and leave you in that alley.

Speaker 20 I was like, oh, oh, oh, oh, now all the Fort Lauderdale coming up out of me. Now you, you, you raised up.
You all swole. Now you see that.
He was talking. It was raising up when he was talking.

Speaker 20 I was trying.

Speaker 20 You try to bite your lip. You're like, okay, I just got to, I got to run that.
I do understand. It was my first case.
It's my first offense. So I just, then it got south after that.
It got south.

Speaker 20 I said, let me tell you somebody.

Speaker 20 You look short.

Speaker 20 You look short, dude. Right.

Speaker 20 This is my first offense. I said, you could do what you want to do,

Speaker 20 but you can't give me any time. You give me a probation.

Speaker 20 Somebody going to pay me millions to catch a football because I know how to do that. And you're going to be down here broke.

Speaker 20 He said, well, I'm going to show you tomorrow when I have them cameras and everything here. I said, okay, I'm going to show you too.

Speaker 20 That's why I wore the mink coat. Hold up, you wore meat.
That's why I wore the meat. In Dallas, Texas, it was 90 degrees.

Speaker 20 You got on a four, you got on a full knee

Speaker 20 me with Versace glasses, and that's all they talked about. You see, that's all they talked about.
He thought he was going to get worried.

Speaker 20 He wanted, and he was trying to say, I introduced him. When he said, you are taking advantage of you, I wanted to say, what do you mean?

Speaker 20 They gave me drugs. I didn't even know.

Speaker 20 They did it to me.

Speaker 20 I was

Speaker 20 innocent.

Speaker 20 I was the one innocent.

Speaker 20 They started this. What are you saying? You know, so, yeah, man.

Speaker 20 That was, and I remember the two girls. The two girls that, yeah, here.

Speaker 20 I don't call their names. Yeah.
And I remember the girls.

Speaker 20 So.

Speaker 20 Did you do drugs in high school? Did you do drugs in college? No, no. And I never did any drugs during the season.

Speaker 20 That's what I was telling. Earlier when we were talking about it, I could do, I don't know, I had it.

Speaker 20 I could, because we played until February. Right.
I'm in the Super Bowl. Super Bowl wins in February.
I got, I was, I would say, Jimmy said, let's get away. I had about a month in there.
Yeah.

Speaker 20 This happened March 4th. March 4th.
Month. My birthday, March 5th.
I always have that one last hurrah.

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Speaker 20 And then I'm training.

Speaker 20 And then I'm training and I'm going. And I don't, you know,

Speaker 20 and it goes.

Speaker 20 And I'm thinking, I used to look at people like, man, I can't understand why y'all have problems stopping. Why can't you just stop? Right.

Speaker 20 You know, because I could just stop and go play ball and not worry about it.

Speaker 20 But after I start, after I retired, I realized, okay,

Speaker 20 I ain't as strong as I thought. It wasn't that I was strong.
I was just switching addictions. Right.
You know what I mean? You had football. I had something to do to replace it.

Speaker 20 Right.

Speaker 20 And if I had a real good month, I'm going to work out real hard. Because

Speaker 20 that's the yin and the yang. That's just how I train my own head.
So, yeah, I was like, I'm going to have fun. After that birthday, because we always start training.
Yeah.

Speaker 20 About a month after we're going to be able to get it. Yep.
Second week in March. Second weekend of March.
So it worked out me.

Speaker 20 That's what I thought worked out for me anyway. You know, it's so funny, though.
That night I went to the hotel.

Speaker 20 I promise you, dude, after already trying to get Angela to get a hotel room and everything,

Speaker 20 I remember driving to that hotel that day. And I swear to you, as God is my witness, on my

Speaker 20 father's grave,

Speaker 20 as simply as I'm talking to you, God said, Don't go to that hotel.

Speaker 20 I do,

Speaker 20 I think on this every day, I swear to you, as simply as I'm talking, he said, do not go, you know, and I went. Yep.
And I went. And he must have set me up before.

Speaker 20 That's why I said, that's a go-in apartment. You know what I mean? We didn't, and he just did, you know.
But yeah, as I said here, I guess, yeah.

Speaker 20 I wish that never would have happened. Man, I mean, not that what I was doing.

Speaker 20 You know, I ain't gonna say I wish I never did that because, you know, that was what it is. I was young.
We were just out there.

Speaker 20 But I just wish, because it changed things.

Speaker 20 You know, it changes things. It just changes things.
Your Cowboy team were never the same, Mike. No, I was never the same.
I was never the same.

Speaker 20 And it just felt like,

Speaker 20 well, it was just, it wasn't the same. You couldn't lead the same.

Speaker 20 You know what I mean? Because people looked at you differently. Yeah, yeah.
Well, you felt

Speaker 20 at you differently. Maybe they did.
You didn't change everything. And it changes everything.
Because you feel that. You feel it like, dang, you know, and

Speaker 20 so I was never the same. I was never the same.
Because, Mike, I'm thinking, Mike, you were the battery. You was the energizer.
You were the receiver, one of the very few receivers that led a team

Speaker 20 when you got a gold jacket quarterback, you got a gold jacket running back,

Speaker 20 you've got the players on the defense, you got Haley gold jacket, you got time, gold jacket, you've got those guys,

Speaker 20 but you're that battery. That was rare.

Speaker 20 How were you? They might have not knew to the extent, but they knew you liked to get down, Mike.

Speaker 20 How were you able to do what you did over here, but get on the field, be first in the sprints, and leave? Because

Speaker 20 we were having fun.

Speaker 20 It's not like I'm over here in the corner. With some blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, going, you know what I mean? This was,

Speaker 20 all of this stuff gets introduced in the process of the womanizing and chasing and all of that stuff.

Speaker 20 But

Speaker 20 I didn't see it as, oh, you got an issue. I just saw, we're all having a good time for this month.
And then we get back to training.

Speaker 20 And guys, we were all having a good time. We had a month off and we got back to training.

Speaker 20 I never saw it as a problem. Right.
You know, now once you get, once that thing went down the hotel,

Speaker 20 everybody, it's almost like, you know,

Speaker 20 you got drugs. I'm like,

Speaker 20 okay, you can see I had that kind of a drug problem. I didn't know I had a drug problem until after I retired.
After I retired,

Speaker 20 and then I was like, okay, you know what? I had a good time. That's it.
Let me get back, get back in shape.

Speaker 20 I said, that's it. This will be the last weekend.
I'm going to start focusing, getting back to work, start putting my after-career together.

Speaker 20 And then, you know,

Speaker 20 you go out another day and you're back out there. So wait a a minute, this is the last week.
So after about three or four last weekends, you were like, God. It's about three or four months in.

Speaker 20 Right, right. And you were like, whoa,

Speaker 20 this is what they've been going through. Oh, you know,

Speaker 20 I never knew that, right? I never knew that side. Because once I had football,

Speaker 20 I ain't got time for that right now. I got to get ready.
I got to go chase Jerry Rice.

Speaker 20 But yeah, so it got different for me then. Then I realized, okay.
And

Speaker 20 that's when I started, I had to start searching more answers about me. Yes.
Trying to find out things about me since I didn't have football to keep me off of the streets.

Speaker 20 You said that that situation taught you a lot about you. Is that

Speaker 20 the one time, but what about the other 100 times that I was out doing

Speaker 20 being playmaker? Right, right, right. Right.

Speaker 20 You're talking about, what are you talking about, like

Speaker 20 getting caught that being?

Speaker 20 The one time.

Speaker 20 And the problem is, here's what you try to to do, what you do. You try to justify, all right, all right, all right.
You know, many times I didn't get caught. Right.
You know, even though

Speaker 20 I don't think I did this wrong, I'll mark it up, chalk it up, or whatever, you know, that kind of thing. But, you know, I look back, I'm like,

Speaker 20 I was young. I was young, you know, I was young.
We were having fun. We're on top of the world.
You were like the gladiators or the warriors. You go in and you get the prize.
Yes.

Speaker 20 And you keep having fun. And people always say, like, you know, you have fun doing anything.
It's like anything, drinking, smoking. You're just having fun, having fun.

Speaker 20 When does it become a problem? When it becomes too fun and you don't know how to start having that fun.

Speaker 20 Or

Speaker 20 when you don't have something else to turn your attention to. You also mentioned the situation.
You had just gone through that and the judge gave you probation and said, look, Mr. Irving,

Speaker 20 basically you say, I paraphrasing, you're getting a reprieve, but don't come back before me. Don't come back.

Speaker 20 And then right before that, there you go, you get into a scuffle with a teammate about a haircut. Yeah.

Speaker 20 Did you go home like, Lord, I'm going to jail? Yeah. Lord, you got, you got me out of this situation.

Speaker 20 And I promise you, Lord, I say, Lord, if you get me out of this, I promise you I won't do this again. Were you in that room when I was saying that, boy? You were like, what? Hey, boy, hard.

Speaker 20 Boy, you joking. What?

Speaker 20 Lord, if you get me out of this, I promise you, I will never put myself in this situation again. Hey, you saw it.
Hey, you saw it. That first day, that first day I went to court.

Speaker 20 what walked in up bad like i don't know what

Speaker 20 full-length me versatile boy after them folks had not put me through the wringer

Speaker 20 man a couple weeks later i'm coming up in that court blue suit all

Speaker 20 please just let me out of this man god all right i was done boy i was done with manny every i was like i ain't never coming back here again And then that situation at training camp happens with Everett MacGyver, man,

Speaker 20 and everybody. And this is why you asked me earlier why you tell this story.
Everybody comes in.

Speaker 20 I hear this one guy going around telling us, it's not like I came up, grabbed seals, and sliced somebody's throat. You know, we had been out drinking.

Speaker 20 We had been out early because we had got off early. We had, we were going to get haircuts and get meetings later.
We had been out drinking. And Everett MacGyver was the new guy in.
Right.

Speaker 20 You know, and I always rig and get on my lineman because I want them to be tough. Biggie came in.
I would be getting big fella.

Speaker 20 What's your plans, big fella? What are you trying to do? I've got to take care of my mama. So then I start, listen, big fella, because you ain't going to win without the linemen.

Speaker 20 I said, listen, big fella, when you hear Choice at Blue 18, Blue 18, shit, you look up and you look at that joker across from you, you say, you trying to stop me from feeding my mama.

Speaker 20 And then you say, hood. And you tear him.
You know, I'm setting him up, him, Larry, all of this. And Everett was the new guy.

Speaker 20 And I'm working and we're messing with Everett, we're messing with Everett. And Big E and the guys, they started messing with.
You can't let that little

Speaker 20 receiver mess.

Speaker 20 Dude,

Speaker 20 dude, I'm like, come on, Everett, stop playing, man.

Speaker 20 Come on,

Speaker 20 this is dude. This is how we do it.
This is how we do it. This is the order of this team.
It's what everything. We have to.
Taping ankles. You got to be in the ankle.
You have to follow this.

Speaker 20 Now, come on. We got to follow this.

Speaker 20 And everybody, oh man, over here, come over here.

Speaker 20 We were trying to get, okay.

Speaker 20 And then Everett, because we had drinks, he'd get up, dude, to be truthful, and I want to let people know, I was getting my ass kicked. This big old Joker was whooping my.

Speaker 20 I mean, it big boy pushed me. I said, hey, man, stop, man.
I said, stop, dog, stop. And he did.

Speaker 20 And I shouldn't have, it's still not an excuse. I should never have grabbed the scissors, but...

Speaker 20 But I was in fight or flight mode. You know what I mean? And, dude, I went back to,

Speaker 20 I went back to my room right after that and there's blood everywhere blood all over me and and and big cat came in he said man

Speaker 20 they don't know you know they don't know i just say i barely missed uh his an artery you know and

Speaker 20 dude

Speaker 20 it was that was as as difficult a thing as ever because you know you're you're in this kind of frenzy fight thing going on and then all of a sudden once you come down after that you realize what you've done oh my god i sat in that room thinking

Speaker 20 but i didn't kill any

Speaker 20 he killed this man it and

Speaker 20 somehow if he survives i'm still going to jail close the judge just told me boy if i see you again i promise i'm gonna give you 25 years you know and

Speaker 20 yeah everett Me and Everett talked after that, man, and

Speaker 20 I shared then, and I'll never forget that. And I thank him again today, and I apologize to him again today on it, you know, because I've been thinking about it lately.

Speaker 20 Because you watch a documentary, you start thinking about, oh my God, you relive all those moments all over again. Those moments, man.
And I just,

Speaker 20 he said to me, when he said that to me, he said, Michael, you know,

Speaker 20 he said, I know the severity of what would happen

Speaker 20 if the truth got out.

Speaker 20 And he said, man,

Speaker 20 I don't want to take you away from your kids like you always took, almost took me away from mine, dude. That was...

Speaker 20 That was...

Speaker 20 Did you break down? Yeah. Yeah, no doubt.
Yeah.

Speaker 20 Because I didn't expect

Speaker 20 him

Speaker 20 to do that in my own mind. Because at that moment,

Speaker 20 he showed you more grace and mercy than he showed me.

Speaker 20 He showed me grace. Yeah.

Speaker 20 And I wouldn't be here without it.

Speaker 20 I would not have been here. I wouldn't be here without it, you know.

Speaker 20 So, yeah, I tell you, man,

Speaker 20 again, I apologize to him a million times, you know. Did you have a situation at Miami? Did you get in a fight with somebody at Miami? Yeah, I got in fights at Atlanta.

Speaker 20 Yeah, because Jimmy was telling me. First day, you got in the fight with Miami.

Speaker 20 How you just get to school, Mike? I know.

Speaker 20 I don't know, man.

Speaker 20 But I told these guys, because I know, I said, I don't mind doing so funny. I don't mind doing freshman stuff, guys.
But listen, man, we got nothing, man. I'm here to try to get my family somewhere.

Speaker 20 And I was saying this. I know, you know, it's so funny.
I was just saying, come on, man, I just got to get my family. So they were playing these games with me.

Speaker 20 This was on the training table the first day. The first day, you know, the guys are standing there.
Freshmen's got to eat last. Yeah.

Speaker 20 The protocol, that protocol. That's the rules.
Protocol. I'll try to wait.
I tried to wait.

Speaker 20 It did. So they kept making us wait.
And then I kept saying, let me go. Let me go.
He said, freshman, shut up and get back. I said, okay.

Speaker 20 And then the Joker went and picked the food that i wanted because i ain't this was my first time seeing the training tape i'm coming from the ghetto yes fort lauderdale dude we never seen no food like that no abundance of food like see they they don't they didn't think about it it's like y'all see this all the time you know remember howard they just gave howard sneller burger the okay to go in the ghettos and get us yes So we were freshly coming out of the ghettos, for real.

Speaker 20 And I was like, oh my God, look at this. And yeah, after they messed with us and messed with the freshmen, sit out, eat last.

Speaker 20 Then that Joker, I snuck by him and picked out a steak and they pushed me and put me back.

Speaker 20 And then after he finally went, he took my steak. Man, I cracked that joke over there.
He had

Speaker 20 the tray and started whoofing his button.

Speaker 20 Hey, Jimmy called me in the office. I said, this joker finna send me home.
I just got here. I just got here.

Speaker 20 And then a couple weeks later,

Speaker 20 we're freshmen's working at freshmen's workout, right? And we get the music box. Then the linebacker comes in.
Freshman, shut up. Y'all don't play and they change the music.

Speaker 20 I said, well, we get to work out for 10 more minutes.

Speaker 20 And then you guys come in.

Speaker 20 Turn this music.

Speaker 20 I said, but that's not putting us to sleep. It's our music.

Speaker 20 Freshman, I said, dude, this is our time, dude.

Speaker 20 I got 10 more minutes. 10 more minutes.
You take it. You push me.
Boom. Push me down this way.
I said, oh, okay.

Speaker 20 Oh, I said, geez, Joe, it's going to keep messing with me. So

Speaker 20 then we go upstairs in the big meeting room. Yeah.
And Jimmy calls a meeting and he says, I can't believe this. Michael, get down here right now.
And call the player.

Speaker 20 I said, I told you, we can't be fighting each other. Stop it right now.
We're going to shake hands right here in front of everybody right now. I'm fresh out of the ghetto.

Speaker 20 I'm a little rough around the edges, right? I'm fresh up out of that ghetto. So in front of the team, he said, I want y'all to shake hands right now.
This true story, Jerry. I said,

Speaker 20 I'm on fire. I'm I'm on fire from what that Joker did, man.
I reached out my left hand

Speaker 20 and he reached out here and left. I grabbed him.

Speaker 20 And he was, you know,

Speaker 20 and then I hit him again.

Speaker 20 And brought everybody by.

Speaker 20 Coach was like, listen, boy, listen.

Speaker 20 Listen, let me tell you something.

Speaker 20 I know, I know you had it hard.

Speaker 20 We're here now. We're trying to help you get out.

Speaker 20 You can't be fighting us.

Speaker 20 It was it, man. And then he looked at me and said,

Speaker 20 you sure you want to play football? You ever thought about boxing?

Speaker 20 I ain't joking. He asked me that as me.
I said, no, coach,

Speaker 20 I want to play football. I'm playing football.
But to all of that, those situations.

Speaker 20 You ever met my guy with a situation?

Speaker 20 After I retired, I had to figure out

Speaker 20 why, why, why, why, did you fight with your because you're like the of 17, you're like 15 or 16, right? I've been fighting all my life. So you've

Speaker 20 had to fight up. You like, you know what?

Speaker 20 I ain't taking nothing else off nobody else. I've done took it off of them for 18, 19 years.
20 years. Yeah.
It stops here today.

Speaker 20 And then I had to go study it and learn it. And if you go through it now,

Speaker 20 they'll tell you in a mother's third trimester, if she is stressed, pressured,

Speaker 20 her brain releases, her body releases cortisol that goes to the brain of the baby to tell the baby to prepare for fight or flight. And in this child,

Speaker 20 you will have a smaller cortex, bigger mammalian. That's the base.
So your fight or flight state, you're more apt to fight than reason. I'm more apt to fight than reason.

Speaker 20 It serves me well on the football field. So you come up and

Speaker 20 go,

Speaker 20 but off the football field.

Speaker 20 You're such a small time on the football field. Right, right.
And that's what I said. I had to learn, dude, joke, stop.
They tell you, understanding it and studying it is not, it's 75% debating it.

Speaker 20 So now, even when I'm riding and somebody comes by and cut me off,

Speaker 20 Hey, I said, that's just your reptilian brain. Calm it down.
I see no problem, skills and no problem, no problem. But you got to calm it down.
You got to to know, calm it down right now.

Speaker 20 So, you know, I had to study that, figure it out, learn it, and try, so I can try to get through this thing without, get through this thing called life without football.

Speaker 20 Had you known what you know now back then,

Speaker 20 are you still the same Michael Urban? Oh, because that served you well, like you said, in playing football. Now you go get the help, the treatment that you need to be able to reason.

Speaker 20 Right, right, right, right. And do I get there?

Speaker 20 You know, that's a great question. That's a great question.

Speaker 20 You know, because the fight in me was the fight here, the fight here. But all these other fights away from here,

Speaker 20 they were problematic. They were problematic.

Speaker 20 So coming up the way I came up, I was like, yeah,

Speaker 20 I need that come up. I need that come up.
I just need to learn what I know now sooner. You see what I'm saying? So

Speaker 20 I could have said, I could have stopped a lot of the stuff understanding. That's just your reptilian brain.
Just

Speaker 20 calm it down. You're not on the field right now.
Be reasonable.

Speaker 20 This concludes the first half of my conversation. Part two is also posted, and you can access it to whichever podcast platform you just listened to part one on.

Speaker 20 Just simply go back to Club Shether profile, and I'll see you there.

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