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Saban says, I think the SEC was the SEC because of the culture in the South.

There wasn't professional football in the South for a long time, and everybody related to college colleges.

Well, now it doesn't matter.

I mean, kids grew up wanting to go to LSU, Alabama, Georgia, got money now.

They don't mind going to Ohio State, they don't mind going to other places.

So, the geographic advantage that the SEC conference may have may be changing a little bit now with the different culture, with NIL, and money involved in decision-making.

I think that's created a bit of an edge for the big 10.

Yeah, I mean, Uncle I've said it all the time on here: NIL has even the playing fool, the playing, the playing field

for other schools, especially schools that had boosters.

Boosters that have a lot of money.

When you have a lot of money, it gives you a better chance to beat those schools that have been dominating, like the Alabama.

Especially if you got a Michigan, where you got a Larry Ellison, who's the second richest man in the world.

So now you got, so let's just say for the sake of argument, oh yo, the team that we're talking about, now Stanford got a bunch of boosters.

Harvard got a bunch of boosters, but they ain't trying to, they, they tried to, hey, we got an idea for AI.

We got to, we, we developing a vaccine or something to cure or treat cancer or treat this.

That's what they're going to invest their money in.

But you got a Michigan, you got an Ohio State, you got an LSU, a Texas A ⁇ M, a University of Texas, because them all, hey,

hey, you got to stick your hand way down there.

They got deep pockets down in Texas.

A ⁇ M and the University of UT, they got deep, you see Texas Tech.

So them oil bearers down there, they got real deep pockets.

So now you got these teams that want to compete.

They were always close, Ocho.

It's a with a couple of dollars, you can push us over the top.

Well, how much?

Right over the top.

And you know what's funny when you think about it too,

the Saudis.

Yeah.

The Saudis, you see how they dip their hand in boxing?

You see what boxing, you see that boxing is done?

Certain fights that probably never would have gotten created before are now being created.

Could you imagine if the Saudis dip their hand in college football?

Well, they got to have a vested interest in it.

And invested in certain schools.

Man, come on, back.

But he's right.

I mean, the South, I mean, because at the end of the day, if you good,

you're going to go to the NFL anyway.

So I might as well get by 0.5 million before I go.

I can get,

instead of me waiting three years, Ocho, to get mom, grandma, family out of this situation, I could do this as a 17, 18-year-old.

Right.

And it don't matter where you go.

If you can play.

If you can play, they're going to find you.

Yeah, Uncle, you'd be playing under a rock.

Absolutely.

If you can play the game of football, they will find you.

And that's what happened.

Coach Saban realized he didn't, as great a coach as he is,

he doesn't, the advantage that he once possessed, he doesn't have it anymore.

Coach K,

Roy Williams, they realize the advantages that they once had.

Okay.

Yeah, not there.

And Michael Jordan's shoes ain't gonna cut it.

No, you need more than that.

The apparel?

Yeah, Ocho.

Guys getting $4 million.

Guys getting $4 million, $3 million.

Can you imagine as a 17, 18-year-old, Ocho?

Man, if I'd have got $1,000.

$1,000?

at $17, man, give me $500.

Yes!

You know how much money at $17,000, you know how much money $500 is back then, but you ain't had nothing?

Yeah, I absolutely know.

So

imagine, Ocho, they give you $20,000, $50,000 back then.

Oh, Lord, have mercy.

Man, stop playing.

Granted, don't buy no more bologna.

Don't buy no more hot dogs.

Don't buy no more lunch meat.

Hey, numbers, number.

And my homeboy says, number quarterhouse steaks.

Remember, I told my homeboy I had to eat one time.

He said, Let me get that quarterhouse steak.

The server looked at him.

He was like, Excuse me?

He said, Yeah, let me get that quarterhouse steak.

Cook it well.

I'm like, quarterhouse.

I said, You mean quarterhouse?

Yeah, yeah, that one.

Hey, he's saying it wrong.

I'm looking at it like quarterhouse.

Uh-huh.

Hey, speak, speaking of, since you're on the topic of meat, I tried.

What'd you try?

The wagu?

The air.

That it is.

Yeah, yeah.

Add it like butter.

Oh,

listen.

Now I see the difference.

Now I see the difference.

And I had the waiter explain to me.

Now, I'm looking at the menu and I'm looking at the price point of the steak and the difference in the price point of the steak and the wagon.

And it gave me a better understanding.

Then he explained how the cows are massaged

and they take care of

a certain certain type of diet.

And then I asked, Well, does it really make that much of a difference based on the way the cows are?

He broke, they broke it down to me.

Me and the missus went to Prime 112.

We went to Prime 112 in Miami.

You know, I don't really frequent restaurants like that, but I wanted the missus to go went there, you know, and enjoyed ourselves.

Oh, they gave me a history lesson.

They gave me a history lesson on the wagon on why it cost how, you know, what it did.

So now

a lot of these farmers and that they're like five generations.

They're four or five generations.

So they've been doing this for an extremely long period of time.

It's kind of like the farmers used to be, but a lot of the farmers have sold their land off because it used to be four or five, six generation farmers.

It's getting really tough for farmers now,

especially with the

tariff.

But,

oh, Ocho, you can definitely, you can definitely taste it difference in that meat.

It's like butter.

Absolutely.

It's like butter.

Man, y'all leave my homeboy alive talking about you talking about quarterhouse steak.

He did.

I mean, so, Ocho, so we in a, we in Whole Foods.

And I said, hey, man,

see what type of soup they got.

He said, man, they got a chicken noodle.

They got a tomato.

They got mine strong.

and they got a broccoli and cheese.

I'm like, man.

I said, what you say they got?

Chicken noodle.

They got,

he wouldn't even say, he didn't even try to pronounce Gespacho.

He liked, they got,

they got broccoli and cheese.

Yeah.

And they got mine strong.

I say, mine strong.

I said, you mean Menestrone?

Yeah, yeah, that's what it.

he said yeah yeah that's what they got i said man come on over here

man i was man i was on man they said me he's talking about hey come on homeboy get a bot man i was on the floor oh

he said

he said man he said man these people looking at you i said they should be looking at they should be looking at you

hey i i ain't never i ain't never i ain't never heard of that i i i i don't know i don't know much about soups

if it's not clam pop a lobster bisque,

that's pretty a chicken noodle soup.

That's as far as I go.

That's as much as I can.

I'm not a real soup guy.

I notice tomato and gaspacho and minestroni and all that.

Yeah,

I'm not a soup guy with yo.

I don't really mess with chili because I already know something bad is going to happen.

No, no, no, no.

You got to try Skyline.

No, I don't.

In Cincinnati?

Oh, you, you're not going to be.

No, I won't.

Oh, no.

Oh, your stomach can't hold that down, huh?

Chili?

Beans?

And it's hot?

Oh, no, man.

Oh, okay.

Okay.

Okay.

Hey, so

you can't have any dairy products either?

I got lactate.

Lactate, but you take, you take before, like before you, if you're going to have some dairy, cheese, milk, butter, something like that, you take it before.

But no, I would, I would never.

Okay.

Even when I'm home by myself.

No.

You never do it.

I always take lactate.

I keep lactate on me.

Yeah.

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Oh, Joe, Oregon dominates Cowboys after Gundy pours gasoline on the fire.

On Monday, while speaking on his radio show, Gundy said Oregon is paying a lot of money for their team, citing $40 million as the amount he believed the Ducks spent on their roster last year.

The week ended, Oregon handing Oklahoma State a 69-3 loss, the worst in the Gundy era and the worst program has seen since 1907.

Lanning said post-game, it never requires extra motivation for an opportunity to go out there and kick ass, but it never hurts when somebody pours gasoline on the fire

hey man listen and also you know it never hurts when you have a 40 million dollar roster either

which was why you're able to score 60 points what's

what story

no you didn't put it on oh oh

oh i thought okay my bad we'll go back we'll go back to it we'll go back to it uh

as a matter of fact let's go back to it right now ocho i skipped over story and j mccarron revealed this week that you look at these other teams that have 40 50 million in the nil Alabama, I know this for a fact, talking to multiple people in the program, Alabama has less than 20 million in their NIL.

You know, that helps Alabama from a recruiting standpoint.

In fact, Alabama has been Alabama.

But, and people go out there because they know they're going to be able to compete for a national championship year in and year out.

And you're going to go into the NFL most likely if you're supposed to do.

If you start losing and all those guys go away and now you can't pay guys what other schools are dishing out, now it hurts you even more.

Yeah.

yeah yeah

absolutely so you're not gonna have all those wide receivers lining up to come to alabama you're not gonna have all those running backs that you know the mark ingrams you have uh the trent richardson and you have the derrick henrys and you have the uh alvin kamaras and you have the damian harrises and you have this one and that one and the tj yeldens and all the nope you're not You're not going to have all those DVs lining up.

You're not.

And the funny thing about it is, not only do you have all those players, you have them willing to wait their turn.

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

No?

Not anymore.

Wait, how much you got from me?

2 million?

Where I'm playing at?

Well, I ain't never been over there, but no money here.

And I got to wait three years just for my turn to get on the field.

And I can get 2 million to come there and play right now.

Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and go ahead and.

Take me and think about it.

All those receivers that they have in Alabama that waited their turn.

You could say the same thing about those Ohio State wide receivers because all those guys waited their turn.

Turn, yeah.

So the likelihood of somebody, like,

man, please, hey, you mean to tell me somebody's gonna give me 2 million and I can go start, or I can be a third wide receiver or a fourth wide receiver here?

Nah, bro.

I'm

a Jameson Williams.

He was at Ohio State.

Couldn't crack it.

So he's like, hey, let me go on to Alabama.

Let me go on down here to Alabama.

What?

What is he a top 10 pick?

Top you are top.

He's a top pick.

I don't know if he's top 10, but I think he was, but I think he's a high draft pick.

Same thing with Joe Burrow.

Yeah.

You know, Jamie, Jameson just got paid a few minutes ago, huh?

Yep.

Three for 83.

Woo!

89, 83, something like that.

Oh, my goodness.

Yep.

Right, right.

Hey, listen.

And boy, did you see Cam?

It worked.

Cam who?

cam hayward it worked

they gave him an opportunity that he can what incentives he gave they gave him an extra three million right yeah

three million ocho

he's making 14 and a half so now it goes to 17 and a half

them other guys 24 28 30 34 40.

But he got to be realistic, huh?

He's 36.

I know.

36.

You know, it doesn't matter who you are.

I'm happy for him.

And hey, that's 3 million more.

And it's probably, you know, probably roster bonus.

For every week that he's on the active roster, he gets

250, a quarter of a million.

Something like that.

Damn.

If he has, you know, he has five sacks, he gets another half a million.

Yeah.

Right.

Look, like I said, I mean, I think the thing is, is that

he's 36 years of age.

He's been great.

He's been a captain.

He's been great in the community.

He's been a damn good football player, and

he doesn't call the Steelers.

You know, Mike Tomlin

has never had to worry about getting a call about Cam Hayward.

The Steelers have never had to worry about getting a call about Cam Hayward.

So, hey.

I'm happy.

It's probably not what he wanted.

He probably wanted, you know, $25 to $30 million dollars.

But like you said, Ocho, at his age,

you're asking an awful lot at that age.

I mean,

you said 25, 30 million a year.

Yes, I'm saying at that age, Ocho.

I'm saying at that age.

No, no.

Maybe if he had rolled the dice, said, you know what, I'm going to play this contract.

I don't worry about last year.

Now he'd have been a free agent.

Yeah.

So now, I think even on the open market at 36, he probably could approach 20.

You think he can get 20?

Two for 40.

Yeah, hey, absolutely.

Absolutely.

For someone like that, coming from a historic franchise, the last name itself alone, yes, absolutely.

Yeah, but listen,

that little three, you know what?

We want you happy.

We want to go into the secret with everyone happy.

We're going to give you, this is no disrespect.

We're going to give you peanuts.

but hey, he

feels good because he got something, he got three million more than what was on the contract.

And plus, he understands he's 36 years of age.

And the last thing you want is

to be a distraction going into the season because you have your quarterback now.

You think you have a team good enough to compete in the AFC North.

You think you have a team that can get to the playoffs.

And so, look, we don't want all cylinders to go.

We want to be focused and go take care of the job at hand.

The story that we just started on, Wayne

Gundy, he's the head coach.

He played at Oklahoma State, but he's the head coach now.

He said the roster that Oregon trots out there last year was like $40 million, probably similar to what it is now.

And so he and Dan Lanning, who happens to be the head coach at Oregon, had a back and forth.

Oh, yo, they're going back and forth.

And Lanning said in the post-game, it never requires extra motivation

for an opportunity to go out and kick ass, but it never hurts when somebody pours gasoline on the fire

nah not at all you a gundy got to be careful you got to be careful well he got to be careful

but they're going to get his ass up out of there bingo that that too but understand your personnel understand what you have to work with before you talk trash about a team like oregon that you already know has a 40 million dollar roster and what you say what you what they had last year well hell if they had it last year i'm sure they got some dog coming back this year

guess what they won the national championship so they might got a little more

thank you.

So, does your team, do you have the personnel to back up some of the trash talks?

If you don't, you go into that game quietly so you don't give the other team ammunition or the head coach post-game material when you know damn good and well you're not going to go in and have a chance to win.

You got to be self-aware as a coach.

It's all about self-awareness as a coach.

It is.

Somebody said it's like $23 million, not $40 million,

something similar to what Ohio State's playing.

Look,

because they don't have a cap on it, you can spend as much as much.

It's an open market.

So you'll spend as much as the boosters are willing to put in there.

And whatever it takes to get a player like a Jeremiah Smith or a player, whatever it takes to get a Caleb Downs, who's your top ranked safety, who left the University of Alabama once Coach Sabin left.

Okay,

if that's what it takes to compete at this level, I'm trying to compete.

I'm trying to compete.

And I think that's what a lot of the coaches are like, look, we got to put a cap on this thing.

You know what I'm saying?

Because if one team can spend 100 million and we, you know, well, hey, it is what it is.

Have all your alumni to give $50.

It's so funny.

It's so funny the coaches or people in positions of power want to put a cap on the NIL, but they didn't want to put a cap on how much.

coaches can make.

Coaches can make and how much

university could make off your likeness.

But now the players are getting some money.

Now they want to put a cap on it.

Come on, now.

Come on, now.

So

it is

69 to 3.

Coach Gundy might be in trouble.

Oh, no.

No, no, no.

They play in Oregon now.

They're playing Oregon.

Oh, Joe.

They don't give a damn who you playing.

That's Oklahoma State.

69-3.

Hey, the athletic director at Oklahoma State, no good and well.

Brother Gundy's team stood no chance against Oregon.

Now, you play someone of, you know what?

Matter of fact, how about this?

Florida lost to the University of South Florida.

We Ben had his watch.

Okay, now that's a game.

If it was Gundy saying some things he said and lost to a lesser team,

then yes.

Losing Oregon, I don't see you being on the high seat for that.

It's not that losing in Oregon.

Ocho, it's 69 to 3 losing to Oregon.

It's not the loss.

You lose 27 to 10.

You lose 35-21.

No, but, ocho, that's Oklahoma State.

That's 69 to 3.

Yeah.

And plus, he's been, I mean, think about it.

That program has not, there's been some slippage in that program.

Yes.

Yeah.

You know, you know why it's slippage, right?

Well, he's not getting the level of talent that he once got.

We need money.

Yeah.

We need money.

What there's Dick Frank went to Oklahoma State, didn't he?

And I think the thing is, I think the biggest booster, who the stadiums named after T-Boom Pickens, passed away.

Yeah.

So the money ain't free-flowing like it once did.

Yeah.

Well, whoever took over T-Boom Piggins needed to help him.

Nah, this is, nah, we're not generous like him.

We're not generous.

We're not generous like dad

or grandpa or whatever the case may be.

Right, right.

And that's the thing.

Everybody doesn't look at that school as the same way.

That was his pride and joy.

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It's clear: I'm not working at their facility, so they're not working at ours.

Coach Belichick, really?

Yeah, oh, yeah.

Let Bill stand on Benny's.

Let me ask you this: tell me the coach that's been fired, that's coaching somewhere else that's allowed to come back to the facility that he was fired at.

You think Pete Carrot can go back to Seattle?

What coach has been fired,

still coaching,

and can come back

to where they got fired from?

I don't think that

if I get fired from my job and I go get another job, they're going to allow me to come back in the building at the job that I got fired from.

It could.

They might like me still, but I doubt it.

Right.

Wait, so

you got to give me a little bit more here.

Is there, what is the reasoning for Bill not allowing?

He's mad.

He's mad because he got fired.

He said he's not allowed in New England, so they shouldn't be allowed there.

Okay, I like it.

I like that level of petty.

I like that level of petty.

So, you want to play?

Oh, Joe.

You want to play?

But I'll ask you a question, Ocho.

Name the coach.

You still haven't given me a scenario.

So, name the coach that's been fired.

So, if Marvin Lewis got another job, do you believe he can go back to Cincinnati while he's coaching another team?

So, you believe Marvin, while he was at Arizona State, he could go back to Cincinnati

or Oakland.

Listen, okay, any one of them.

No, no,

why not?

Damn,

that's a good one, huh?

That's a good one.

Just thinking about it, too, coaches in positions like that that are coaching somewhere else, I don't even think they would feel comfortable going back to the place where they were fired.

He's talking about

welcome.

Welcome, yeah, unless they're playing the game.

Hey, Unc, you don't like that level of petty?

It's not petty.

Coach is upset.

He's got fire.

Let me ask you a question.

How many coaches do you think Coach Belichick is fired?

How many players has he cut?

Oh, that's a good one.

Hey, but what he's done for the organization,

you don't see why he would be upset?

You don't see why he would be mad after 20 years of what I gave him.

Sixth champion.

Who knows how many AFC championships?

He's not a federal judge or a Supreme Court justice.

It's not a lifetime appointment.

You don't get to stay on the job forever if you're not with, oh Joe, you'll know what sports are about.

It's about winning.

Yeah.

Hey, that was a bar, too.

I like that.

If I had my notes had, I would have wrote that down.

So Coach Belichick thinks, because you know what?

I've been here 20 years.

I've won six Super Bowls.

We've gone to nine.

I should be able to.

So even as we lose, we continuously lose with no hope on the horizon.

I should still be able because of what I've done.

Mr.

Kraft says, I paid you for that.

I was paying you five, ten, fifteen, twenty million dollars a year.

So now I'm paying you based on what I believe you can do, and I don't believe you can get done what you need to get done because number 12 is gone.

And I listened to you when you told me we should move off of 12 because he couldn't do it anymore.

Right.

That's tough.

That's tough.

I just,

I'm just, I'm just confused why he's why he's surprised that

but guess what when you're no longer coaching i believe you'll be able to go back coach

yeah

absolutely i mean

they're gonna they're gonna fix that though whatever whatever bill and mr craft are going through they're going to fix that they're gonna that it won't be fixed right now

but at some point they will make amends because what they had was special huh What they had was special.

What they had was special.

20 years, Ocho.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So

you want me to keep you on for another five years

with no, I mean, and we're getting worse.

Mm-hmm.

Well, you understand why they were worse.

Yes.

Because until you get that most important piece, that most important piece to be able to build around it,

that's exactly what we're going to do.

Well,

he led Mr.

Kraft to believe that he could pull anybody in there and do what Brady did.

Oh,

no, it doesn't work like that.

Well, you should tell him that.

You're right.

Sometimes a player is greater than the sum of all of its parts.

Coach Belichick knew that.

Coach Belichick wanted to keep a reign in place.

Coach Belichick, what Tom wanted from Coach Belichick was validation.

Coach Belichick knew that in order to keep this thing running, I can't give Brady any more credit than I give Richard Seymour, any more credit than I give Gronk, any more credit than I give them.

That's how he kept control of it.

And people like, well, damn, I heard Akeev Talib saying how Coach Belichick would ream Brady out.

I've heard you say it.

I've heard other guys.

That's how he kept control.

Because if he'll ream out number one, everybody else will fall in line.

He convinced

Mr.

Kraft

that the Patriot way, the Patriot way was Tom Brady.

That's the Patriot way, Tom Brady, because they still got that,

they're still disciplined, they still do all the things, and nobody talks.

It doesn't matter about what way it is.

You need a guy,

and Tom Brady's don't grow on trees.

There's only been one Tom Brady tree, and it's gone.

So

I don't know what

I don't know.

I don't know.

I really don't.

I don't get this.

Because

he's only looking at the bad.

He's only looking at he fired me.

He's not looking at the other years in which he could have fired you for Spygate or he could have fired you for Deflategate or a host of other instances, but he stuck by you.

That's just me.

Everybody doesn't see things through that prism.

Clearly, he's still upset about getting fired.

You're not the first.

You're not the first great coach.

Look, a lot of great, normally you see

a Bill Walsh step aside.

You see

Lombardi steps aside and then

he retires and then he goes and coaches Washington.

Normally, guys, Chuck Noel steps aside, go, I'm done.

So normally guys that win at that level, they don't really get fired.

They step away.

You see, guys that's won three more championships, like Jimmy, Jimmy Johnson, Jimmy Johnson got fired.

That's an anomaly.

Chuck Noel won four, he stepped aside.

Coach Shula won two, stepped aside.

Bill Walsh won three, stepped aside.

So, normally, when guys, you know, win three, four,

Mike, Mike won two with Mr.

Boland, and then

they weren't getting any better.

They were spinning their wheels.

But, see, though, those coaches on, they knew in the fold,

they knew in the fold, they understood the chances.

You look at the landscape of the team, what you have coming back, what's leaving, you know, in the fold.

Sean Payton, he knew, he knew in the league.

Yes,

he knew.

He already saw the writing on the wall ahead of time.

You're over the cap.

Drew Breathe is done.

Everything's getting old.

Let me get up out of here.

I got to go.

I got to go.

It's all about foreseeing, foreseeing the future.

Again, that's all a part of self-awareness.

An unnamed UNC athletic source told the Boston Herald, why would we let them in our home after how he's been treated since he left?

We will help our players being treated fairly is a two-way street, a two-way street for whom?

I'm just trying to figure out.

How has he been treated?

Because normally, Ocho, when you get fired from a job, they don't just let you arbitrarily just come back anytime.

Right.

I don't know.

I look, like I said, I hadn't been on a whole lot of jobs, but I mean, when I got let go at Fox, you know, I'm pretty sure my ID badge didn't work anymore.

And then why would I be there?

Right.

Who goes back?

I mean, who gets fired?

Chat, y'all can help me out.

Because I've really never really had a nine to five, so I wouldn't know.

So if you get a nine to five and you get fired, y'all trying to go back to your job and hang out with your co-workers?

Hey, man, what's going, man?

What you doing here, Ocho?

Man, I thought they fired you last week.

Yeah, man, I just come to hang out with y'all.

If that would happen, chat, y'all help me out, chat.

Because like I said, I've never had a nine to five, but I wouldn't know.

You have to think about it all the things.

You have to be able to see

from Bill's viewpoint.

See it from the lenses in which Bill sees it at.

You see it one way, but he sees it another, which is why he's doing it.

So obviously, feel he feels some type of way about it.

We don't have all the information on why he feels that way, but he does because he's actually doing it.

Oh, Joe,

we talk about this all the time.

The greater the accomplished player, the person is, the bigger ego.

Oh, Joe, they filed a man that won six Super Bowls.

Do you know what that does to your ego?

Yes.

Imagine Tom Brady, how he felt.

You tried to get rid of me a few years earlier.

And now, after everything that I've done.

So how must Tom Brady have felt?

Coach, Coach, I mean, damn.

So you wanted to stay on forever?

Even after you winning nothing.

So even, so, no.

The thing about sports

is not lifetime achievement.

It's to update your resume.

You've done everything.

He is a six-time Super Bowl winning coach.

He is a coach of the year.

He's a this or whatever you want to call.

He is the most accomplished coach in NFL history.

He's that.

You can't take that away from him, Ocho.

But if I'm still paying you $15, $20 million a year, there's an expectation I have for you to win.

I'm not paying you 15 or 20 based on what you've done.

I'm paying you 15, 20 based on what I believe you'll do.

I've already paid you for those Super Bowls, oh Cho.

So, how long?

How long must I pay someone for something that they've already done?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Once you don't have that quarterback, man, it becomes that much more difficult.

Yes.

Becomes that much more difficult coach and coach look he's great he these defenses and what he was able to help tom do saying tom if you're in this formation this is where you're vulnerable if you did this this is what i would do this is what i think they'll do it was a great it was a match made in heaven for 20 years

yeah a lot of marriages don't last that long ocho A lot of marriages don't.

Tom, there ain't a whole lot of coaches that would have a great player, quarterback,

would have allowed the head coach.

A lot of head coaches wouldn't even have the audacity or the gumption to even speak to a quarterback like that.

At least not in front of the team.

Now, maybe you call him in his office.

Maybe you undress or dress down the quarterback, okay, but not in front of the team.

Tom allowed that to happen.

He took it.

He grit his teeth.

He bit his lip.

He understood, though.

He understood.

He understood why.

He understood why.

It shocked me seeing it because that's first date, first meeting.

Maybe there were some things that were said.

Maybe there were some things that were said, Ocho, that we don't know about.

But I don't believe, like I said, and like you said, Ocho, we don't know all.

All I know is that he was relieved of his duty.

They agreed to go their separate ways.

Normally,

one person has to initiate that because it's hard for me to believe that we sit down at the exact same time and says,

I think we should go our separate ways.

He said that, I say that.

It's like a divorce.

We've decided to go our separate ways.

No, somebody decided that they're going to go their separate way.

And I agreed: okay, we'll do that.

We'll save face and we'll issue a joint statement that says we're going our separate ways.

Right.

It's tough because of

you're never going to see a run like this again, aren't you?

Oh, you're not going to see a run like this.

No, you're not.

The closest thing to it is down there in Kansas City.

But at the closest, that means Andy would have to stay on another 12 years just to reach that.

Yeah, you think Andy Reed got 12 years in him?

And it's damn near 70.

Dang.

yeah.

So you got to understand, Coach Bella,

how young Coach Belichick was when he got the job.

I just look,

it was a great situation.

Nothing lasts forever, but I just wish they could put this behind them.

Coach

Mr.

Kraft is going to put a statue out there once he's done coaching.

Oh, yeah.

He said it.

I believe him.

He's going to be one of the two players,

two men from the organization that have a statue.

It's just, I think it's petty.

That's just me.

The Jags are planning on Travis Hunter to be an every down wide receiver and a situational corner tomorrow for the regular season open against the Carolina Panthers.

Jackson initially would determine Hunter's usage on a week-to-week basis.

Ocho,

are you surprised that this is the approach that they're taking?

Absolutely not, because the higher-ups, the coaches, they understand.

He wouldn't be able to do it every play.

He wouldn't be able to do it.

But he can play receiver full time and then be using packages on third down.

I'm excited.

I'm excited for him.

I'm excited for the Jacksonville Jaguars.

I'm excited for Treppin' Lawrence to bounce back, to get back to what we know we can do.

A phenomenal throw of the football.

Him and Brian Thomas Jr.

had a phenomenal season last year.

Now you add an additional weapon with Travis Hunter.

Oh, they're going to be nice.

They should be nice.

Like, it looks nice on paper, but you got to go out there and play.

I'm excited to see Travis Hunter on the other side of the ball.

It's a different ball game now.

No, it's a game of inches.

You got to be on point every single time you step out there on the field defensively.

And then injuries.

You got to stay healthy, baby.

That's a lot of wear on the terrain.

Yeah, you got to stay healthy.

Yeah.

I mean, it's a lot.

Man, that was the time, OJo.

Hey, when the defense was on the field, that was the time for me to decompress, to take my babe.

And relax.

Yep.

You get to reset.

You get to reset and prepare yourself mentally for the next offensive series.

He takes it on a lot.

But if there's anybody that can do it,

I would love to see him do it.

Doing it at the college level is one thing.

Doing it at the NFL level, it's a whole nother ball.

Doing it

like we both believe he can do it periodically, but he wants to do it full time like he did it in college.

So he wants to play 65, 70 plays on offense, 65, 70 plays on defense.

That's where I think the problem comes in.

But hey,

I'm all eyes.

I'm going to watch.

Yeah, absolutely.

Can you imagine the Jaguars playing the Bengals, right?

And he playing receiver full-time.

Dealing with Teen Higgins, dealing with Chase.

Dealing with Jamar Chase and then having to flip sides and then go play receiver.

Man, come on, boy.

You know the kind of energy you got to exert when you playing these receivers at this level.

And

the mental energy also, not just the physical energy.

Yeah.

Yeah, because listen, it's a mental game to begin with.

Absolutely.

It's a mental game to begin with.

But I like it.

I'm happy for him.

Listen, I'm locked in.

I'm in Chicago.

I'm at the DraftKings at the Sportsbook tomorrow.

I don't even know about connecting the Wrigley Field.

They got it so big.

Every game, I got access to every game.

Oh, this finna be nice.

Ocho, have you seen?

Hold on, the Broncos play tomorrow?

The Broncos?

Yeah.

Yeah.

They play Titans.

Oh, yeah,

y'all finna lose.

Y'all finna lose.

Ocho, have you seen the Philly's Karen video?

Take a look at this video, Ocho.

Let me know what you think.

I ain't seen it.

No, you took it from me.

You took it from me.

You took my view.

Ocho, the hit of home.

Oh, help me out.

Oh, hold on.

We got another video.

That's it.

Is she running after the man with the ball?

Ocho, what happened?

They hit a home run.

Okay.

Yeah.

The ball is on the ground.

He leaves this section.

He go picks the ball up.

He brings it back and gives it what looks like his son.

She said he took the ball out of her hand.

If I'm hearing the video correctly, what they're recording, they said

she didn't have the ball.

He reached down and picked the ball up

off the floor.

She didn't have the ball.

He got that before her.

He got that before her, basically.

Right.

I can see if he took it out of her hands.

I can see if he took it out of a kid's hand.

The ball was on the floor.

He didn't take it.

He was awful nice to just give it to us.

Like,

I don't want no.

But, ma'am,

just because that's not his section, that doesn't mean he can't go get the retrieve a ball.

She likes, she felt like she was entitled to it because

it was in her section.

So the question that I have, if somebody else from her section would have gotten the ball, would she have felt obligated?

Well, the fact that she felt obligated and didn't get there fast enough, you snooze, you lose.

When a home run is hit, huh?

It's the first person that gets.

That's always been the rule.

Yes.

That's always been a rule.

I don't attend many baseball games.

When I do see a home run hit, I see everybody running to that goddamn ball.

When people play in San Francisco and they hit a home run and it end up in the city,

yes.

Yes.

Ain't a whole lot of people have been hitting in the cove since Barry left.

But yes, you're absolutely right.

And it's the first one.

Hey, and everybody out there in their little kayak and trying to get the ball.

Okay.

If they hit the ball, oh, Joe, you in your kayak.

I dive in that water and I get the ball.

Don't be talking about this ain't your section.

The hell, I don't care whose section it is.

I dove in the water.

I got this ball.

Damn, you.

I got there first.

Yeah.

Yeah.

The guy is a lot nicer than a lot of people.

Would have a lot of people would have told that lady, forget you.

I ain't giving you Jack.

Oh, he gave it to her.

Okay, that's cool.

That's cool.

I wouldn't have given nothing.

I ain't gonna even lie.

That's my son.

I got that ball for my son.

Right.

Now he did.

I think he got a sign back.

I think I saw somebody say he go he gonna get

he gonna fly the family to the World Series.

Okay, I like that.

See, that's the good thing about videos.

When they go viral, some of the players from the team, they see what happens and they get in touch with the fan.

And then you even, you get something even better.

You get to meet the player, you get bat, you get a glove, you get a ball, and you get more access.

That's even better.

So all she got now is the ball, and now they got even better.

But let me ask you a question, Ocho.

Tell me, chat, let me know what y'all think what do you think the chances are that lady was gonna dive on that ball in a scrum and try to get it

no

that's normally what guys do guys

dive into the scrum and and and bust their head or or jump over somebody or spill their beer

we've seen guys try to catch the hey they got the baby in one hand got the baby on a sling, got a beer in one hand, and they catch the ball.

Guys do dumb stuff.

Guys do stuff like that.

I ain't say, I haven't seen, not to say it hadn't happened, I just haven't seen a mom trying to catch a ball while she's holding the baby.

They're more like more protective.

They're like, ooh, don't, don't hit my baby.

Guys, like, hey, I'm finna catch this ball.

He wasn't finna jump on that pavement, mess her knees up, mess her clothes up, trying to get a baseball.

She just thought it was easy because it wasn't a whole lot of people in that area.

And he just ran over, he

picked the ball up, got the the ball held up, gave it to his son.

Oh, yeah,

oh, yeah,

baby,

just because you paid for it, it don't mean you're entitled to catch a foul ball, Ocho.

It doesn't mean that you're entitled to get a home run ball just because you're in that section.

If somebody beats you, so what happened?

The ball trickles down, it lands in your section, but trickles down and goes in somebody else's section.

Then what you say, well, the ball landed in my section, but you didn't get it.

Now you can't.

And

you're not obligated to it because you couldn't get to it.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Now,

if they want to get you involved, correct because you are a woman, then be grateful for that.

But if they don't, they're not obligated to do so.

I guess she felt like, well, I paid for this ticket and it landed in my spot and you was faster than I was.

I can see if he took it out of her hand.

Yeah.

He didn't take it out of her hand, Ocho.

She talked about you took it out of my hand.

That woman's hand wasn't nowhere to.

Chad, look at that.

Look at the video.

He didn't take that ball out of that lady's hand.

Not even close.

But I commend whoever gave him whoever, the Phillies player that gave him that sign back.

Do we know who gave him the sign back?

Hope it was Swarberg

or Bryce Harper.

Hope it was

Bader.

Well,

Bryce Harper, give him a sign back.

Burger, give him a sign back too.

Yeah, Burger.

And a signed jersey.

Get a kid something.

Make her feel bad.

You got a $5 ball and caused all this commotion because you felt entitled that you should have got the ball.

Oh, man.

Lord, how about Gussie?

But

the guy even gave her the ball is just like, I don't want no problem, ma'am.

I don't want no problem.

lord have mercy yeah you know you know how you know who i met uh when i when i landed here the cubs the cubs must be playing the washington nationals okay and one of the better players that played for the washington nationals uh by the name of josh bell i met josh bell and his fan his family earlier today when i walked in oh they it was cool uh it was cool obviously they watched the show

They watched the show and they said they love it.

They say you and Uncle is very funny.

Josh Bell, I'm very, very respectful to him, you know, him and his family.

But it's really cool, really cool to meet him.

And I told him a story about how I almost played for the Marlins in 1997.

He didn't believe me, though.

But

he should.

All right, guys, we're going to get you out of here on this one.

It's time for our final segment of the evening.

It's time for Q and A.

JJ Carver said, is that Frozone?

What Frozone?

What are you talking about?

He trying to make fun of me?

Oh, you talk about

an Incredibles with Sabule Jackson.

Where's my super suit?

Oh, okay, okay.

Oh, because Mavest, hey, um, they, you know, I'm staying at the Rich Carlton.

They gave, they gave me this.

They gave me this when I came in, a little gift.

Oh, they gave you a little gift, a little gift bag, huh?

A little goodie bag.

I told him I was going to put it on.

So I'm not going to to put it on, you know.

So, boom, I'm wearing it.

So, Rich Carl, everybody at the Rich Carlson dying here in Chicago, I appreciate you.

See, I got

it on.

I got it on.

Dab Smith said Bryce Underwood is going to be good, but he didn't play good tonight.

But the OC for Michigan called a terrible game.

Way too conservative on third down.

You've got a quarterback that has arm talent.

Why not give him a chance to make plays?

I think if they could have got some

third and shorts, it seemed like everything was kind of third and long.

And you don't

want to

do anything.

You don't want to

do anything to back your offense up.

But I think, look,

for an 18-year-old playing in a hostile environment, his first road game, and it's in Norman, Oklahoma, I think he did okay.

He'll be better for it moving forward.

Shakur said, Nightcap, fam, love, would think that Stob is the answer for CU just because he looked okay against Delaware.

What game besides Baltimore excites you?

No,

look,

he looked better than the other two guys did against

Delaware.

It wasn't like he was playing Delaware and they was playing Alabama or Georgia.

They were playing the same team.

And the question that I asked, did he look better than the other two guys that were playing against Delaware?

Yes or no?

Now,

I'm sure Prime would do his due diligence.

Time out, obviously, I had enough confidence in him to put him in the game.

So obviously, he had liked something that he had seen during OTAs, training camp, and during the week of practice that led him to say, okay, son, get in there.

So we'll see how this thing plays out.

But,

well, I'm excited about all the games.

I mean, the Commanders play the Giants.

We got some really good matchups tomorrow.

Really?

The Packers play the Lions.

Lions, yeah.

Bears,

yeah, yeah, yeah.

We got some good matchups this weekend.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

MSQ said, how great do you think BYU commit, Folsom High School quarterback, Ryder Lions, can be?

I don't know much about him.

I'm not finna sit here and bulljab you.

I'll have to take a look at him.

We'll find out.

I'll have to go back and look at some YouTube videos and see what he looks like.

It's easy to say somebody's going to be good or great, but you don't don't know until you get them into your building and they put that uniform on.

Yeah.

Architect Nice TV.

Thank you, Shannon.

I said the same thing about Grambling playing Ohio State today.

No point in playing for money that football team itself would never see just get embarrassed by 50.

It just,

it's, I mean,

you got to break by the time, if I give you a million dollars, Ocho, and you got to fly, you got to fly 70 players up, and you got to bring the band, and you got to feed them, and you got to put them up in the hotel.

All of a sudden, that ain't a million dollars no more.

Gone now.

It's gone.

It's gone.

I need to win the lottery because I will put it for two years.

I got y'all.

Kevin Norwood Jr., my question is: top four college quarterback.

You talk about this year or all time?

All time?

I'm putting Cam in there.

Cam had the greatest season ever.

You go back and look at Cam and what he did with the talent that he had around him.

Yeah.

And And in the SEC?

Yeah.

All time, man.

I think you have to put Tebow in there for the simple fact of what he did.

Cam, Tebow.

Damn.

Who else started a bunch of games?

I think Baker, but I think you have to throw Baker Mayfield.

might make my man, there's a lot of quarter Tommy Frazier.

I'm putting Tommy Frazier in there.

That's a good one.

But it was Nebraska.

Boy,

boy, they was hell back then.

Michael,

Michael said, Ocho, Johnny, why is Stanford football still around?

They haven't been good in years.

Always gets embarrassed on dashboard TV.

Look, I mean, it's nice that you go to Stanford, bro.

You try to be a doctor.

You're trying to do economics.

You're trying to be tech, bro.

I mean, it's not, I mean, hey, it's nice.

I mean, C-Mac gets to put that Stanford

degree on his wall.

And most players that go to Stanford ain't going to play in the NFL.

They're not really going thinking about playing in the NFL.

They're going to start thinking about a startup.

They're thinking about being a financial guy.

They're thinking about something, Google, Apple, Microsoft.

That's what they're thinking, Ocho.

Let's just be honest.

Yep.

Football is their second or third priority, huh?

Football is their highest.

Yeah.

You go to Stanford,

you're not majoring in eligibility.

What did Richard Sherman

go?

Okay, Richard Sherman, understanding he had the skill set and the talent to play at the next level.

Very good.

Christian McCaffrey,

understood.

I have the skill set and the talent to play at the next level.

Outside of that, are there any more?

Oh, Andrew Luck.

John Elway.

John Elway, yes.

No, very, very, very few.

Very few.

Arjun said, hey, Uncanocho, can y'all wish me happy birthday?

Arjun, happy birthday.

Hopefully you had a wonderful birthday.

I don't know if it was today, if it was yesterday, or tomorrow or today, if you're on the East Coast, but happy birthday.

Hopefully you did something fun.

Hopefully you're going to do something fun and you're going to get an opportunity to spend it with family, friends, and loved ones because that's what we should be doing on our birthday.

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OU beats Michigan by the score of 24 to 13.

And South Florida takes down UF in Gainesville, 18, I think it's 18-16.

So it's 15-16, yeah, 18-16.

So thank you guys for joining us.

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So thank you, Johnny.

Appreciate that.

Enjoy your time over there.

Get back to the state safely.

Look forward to talking to you next week.

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A full schedule of football Sunday.

Tomorrow.

You don't want to miss with Ocho, and I have to say.

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Buffalo, Baltimore.

Gonna be a barn burner.

I'm Unk.

He's Ocho.

See you tomorrow.

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Mountjaro terzepatide is an injectable prescription medicine that is used along with diet and exercise to improve blood sugar, glucose in adults with type 2 diabetes mellitus.

Mount Jaro is not for use in children.

Don't take Mount Jaro if you're allergic to it or if you or someone in your family had medullary thyroid cancer or multiple endocrine neoplasia syndrome type 2.

Stop and call your doctor right away if you have an allergic reaction, a lump or swelling in your neck, severe stomach pain, or vision changes.

Serious side effects may include inflamed pancreas and gallbladder problems.

Taking Manjaro with a sulfinyl norrhea or insulin may cause low blood sugar.

Tell your doctor if you're nursing pregnant plan to be or taking birth control pills and before scheduled procedures with anesthesia.

Side effects include nausea, diarrhea, and vomiting, which can cause dehydration and may cause kidney problems.

Once weekly Manjaro is available by prescription only in 2.55, 7.5, 10, 12.5, and 15 milligram per 0.5 milliliter injection.

Call

800-545-5979.

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Talk to your doctor for more information about Mountjaro.

Mountjaro and its delivery device base are registered trademarks owned or licensed by Eli Lilly and Company, its subsidiaries or affiliates.