Nightcap Hour 1: Unc & Ocho react to Chargers beating Chiefs in Brazil, Micah SHADES his former teammates

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Speaker 7 Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for joining us. The Chiefs finally lost a one-score game.
The Chargers in Brazil, 27, Chiefs, 21. Y'all know who I am.
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Speaker 7 We got a special guest joining us in a bit, Ghostface Killer. But first, Ocho, in the game in Brazil, the charges take down the kansas city chiefs by the score of 27 21.

Speaker 7 this is the reason what you saw tonight is that why justin herbert is held in such high regards 25 of 34 318 three touchdowns in the game ceiling drive in which he took off and run after chris jones and we saw the two guys getting it on the sideline tranquil said that's not your responsibility you got outside rush you tried to cross the guy's face you got washed down when you know there's nobody there's no support over there that's why he was going at chris jones that is not your responsibility to go inside if that guy starts up the middle and then gets outside ain't nothing you can do cj but that's why he and train kuill was getting it on the sideline on the sideline he's like do your job that's not your job do your job but the chiefs go on the road in brazil and they win a ball game 20 27 21.

Speaker 7 it's been a long time since the chiefs have lost a one-score game yep but oh chill i saw some things tonight that I don't like of what I'm seeing with the Chiefs.

Speaker 7 Offensively, I think they'll be okay. They need to be able to run the football better.
I mean, they got, I mean, they can't run the football.

Speaker 7 Those scrambles by Mahomes, come on, I can't count on Mahomes to give me 57 yards rushing a game, Ocho. But watching this game, looking at the Chargers, they did win.

Speaker 7 They took down the three-time defending AFC champs. Yes.
And they did it in fine fashion. What did you like about what you saw from the Chargers?

Speaker 15 Listen, the first thing about the Chargers that I did like, I like what Justin Herbert did.

Speaker 15 Listen, the game was a little sloppy in the beginning, Unk, but as the game went on, the Chargers offense played extremely well.

Speaker 15 Again, another thing, my favorite receiver, one of my favorite receivers in the NFL is Ladarius McCunky. Ladarius McCunky looked extremely well.
He's picking up exactly where he left off last year.

Speaker 7 Yes.

Speaker 15 The addition of Keenan Allen and Quentin Johnston. If we can get, if we can get Quentin Johnson to be a little bit more consistent, Unk, and

Speaker 15 catching the ball and try to eliminate some of the drops that he had last year. They are going to be all right because that defense, they were flying all over the place.
They made some great plays.

Speaker 15 Derwin James with Derwin James. Khalil Mack also contributed

Speaker 15 in some important areas as well on certain down and distances. And they look good.
I thought the Chiefs had an opportunity to come back.

Speaker 15 I actually thought they were going to come back when they decided to go towards the end of the game and chose to allow Spags and that defense to take over from there.

Speaker 7 But

Speaker 7 it was a sloppy first half, but that's really good i'm watching i don't know what kelse was thinking on that drive route he watches uh what's derwin james yeah he does this yeah well a db i see a db does that he's telling me it's man coverage he's telling me they're locking it yeah yeah he tells me he does this and that's why my homes like what are you doing and he knew it at the end It's like, bro, you got to keep going.

Speaker 7 That's what you call a drive, a shallow cross, but whatever the case may be.

Speaker 7 he's in man coverage yeah all he got to do if he keeps running the ball's gonna hit him on the hands he turns up yeah touchdown now look we don't know i mean now you possibly maybe they're on sided they got their timeouts maybe they do what they did but if chris jones takes that same angle we're gonna get the same result we'll never know but there were some mistakes that were made that you can't have I mean, the first player of the game, you got two guys running, you got two guys running crossing route.

Speaker 7 And somehow Kelsey picks his own guy. It looks like he separated his shoulder or sprains his shoulder.
I'm like, damn. How many times have you, oh Joe? How many times have you run crossing route?

Speaker 7 I've never, in 14 years of running crossing routes, I've run the shallow cross run to drive. Well, I'm the picker.
And sometimes they're picking for me. I've never collided with my own guy.

Speaker 15 I mean, listen, it's all about, understand, it's all about spacing, knowing where your depth is supposed to be.

Speaker 15 And if you have somebody pressing you, which I think, which might have been the problem, whoever was pressing either threw Kelsey off his route, either threw Kelsey off his line, which is why they ran into other.

Speaker 15 But also, if it's man-to-man, you got to have your eyeline, you got to have your eyeline up in front to see what's in front of you, anyway. So, I'm not sure, I'm not sure how that happened.

Speaker 7 Oh, Joe, plus, the fact is it's already understood: one of you are high, the other is low.

Speaker 7 One of you guys is three to five, the other guy, five to seven. I don't know who's supposed to be high, I don't know who's supposed to be low.

Speaker 15 You can see, you can see Xavier Worthy was low, so that means Kelsey was supposed to be five to seven.

Speaker 7 I don't get it. I don't know.
I don't, and like I said, I'm like, damn, God,

Speaker 7 that's probably a precursor of things to come because, hold on, Ocho. Now, how many times? That's the first 15.
We done talked about that. We had that and walked through.
We discussed it last night

Speaker 7 before the game. Hey, we talked about it.
Hey, everybody liked these plays coming out. And damn, the first third down, this is what we get.

Speaker 15 And you know what? That's the funny thing.

Speaker 15 When you talk about X's and Ozunk, the way it's written on paper, and coaches wanted to look a certain way, but they don't take into account when you have a defense out there, you have a person pushing and tugging you, certain things have to adjust.

Speaker 15 So, Kelsey, if anything, if you got a man playing you, playing you man-to-man, go an extra yard, maybe go two, and that doesn't happen.

Speaker 7 Hey, press me, and I'm supposed to be the low guy.

Speaker 7 I run it in line of scrimmage. I'll be behind the line of scrimmage.
Hey, the library will pick your ass off. Oh,

Speaker 7 Joe,

Speaker 7 I'm not finna collide with my own guy. I run it.

Speaker 7 They were like, damn, you should have just took the ball out of John's hand. I was like, well, hey,

Speaker 7 hey, he was fighting, pushing, tugging. And

Speaker 7 I'm not going to let him throw the timing of the route off

Speaker 7 by pressing me and causing me to

Speaker 7 gain depth. No, I already know I'm the low guy.
And so it might be a situation. Look, I'm the low guy.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 And I got a pick for the high guy. Yes, sir.
Okay, it is what it is but the timing must be the timing ocho yeah but i'm not gonna run into my own guy

Speaker 7 that's what i'm not gonna do i'm not running into my own guy now i might run into the other guy and they call me for an illegal pick but i'm not picking my own damn guy and hold on not only did you pick him he got hurt and as soon as

Speaker 15 soon as you got hurt obviously when you're running that crosser like that unk and you're looking back at the quarterback your body's relaxed yes your body's relaxed so anything that hits especially that shoulder the first thing i said yeah that's either a grade two two or grade three AC sprain right away.

Speaker 15 When he didn't come back in the game, because

Speaker 15 oh, you, you good. Grade one, you coming back in the game, but he missed the whole game after that.
I said, it got to be grade two or grade three.

Speaker 7 Ocho, how much shoulder strength do you think he got? He'll buck 60.

Speaker 7 So think about that, Ocho. He weighs 160 pounds.
Yes, sir.

Speaker 7 He ain't got no shoulder gun. And it doesn't take a whole lot to mess a shoulder up anyway, especially when you don't have the muscle development in that area.

Speaker 15 Yeah, especially when you're not looking and your body

Speaker 15 relaxed and just something hits you like that.

Speaker 7 You ain't, because you don't get a chance to tense up.

Speaker 15 Yes, bingo, bingo.

Speaker 7 So a lot of a lot of times, if we know, oh, we're going across the middle, we're going to catch a pass. Yeah.
I get a chance to brace.

Speaker 7 But when I'm catching the pass and I'm relaxed, and I got

Speaker 15 it hurts that much more.

Speaker 7 Hell yeah.

Speaker 15 People need to understand when they see certain hits like that, when you know it's coming, you're able to brace, it doesn't hurt. No matter what, like it's the ones you don't see coming.
Yes.

Speaker 15 Ready for it that get you the worst.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I just look, they got up to a bad start. Hollywood Brown had an opportunity to get a first down on the second, and he dropped it.

Speaker 7 I don't, oh,

Speaker 15 you talk about

Speaker 15 on the

Speaker 7 second drive of the game.

Speaker 15 The stop route.

Speaker 7 Well, the deepest. Yes, yes, yes, yes.

Speaker 15 He took his ass off the ball. He's trying to get up out of there before he.

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Speaker 7 I really prided myself understanding how the game was going. Okay, the first drive, Ocho, we got off the field in three plays.
Yes, sir. The last thing I want to do is do another three and out.

Speaker 7 So I might just catch the ball and just drop because the most important thing is to stay on the field so we can get timing as an offense.

Speaker 7 Guys don't understand. They still try, oh, let me bail up out of here.
Well, now you just went two three and outs. And now you guess what?

Speaker 7 You're going to be further out of rhythm because it's going to be longer before you get back on the field guys need to understand i saw thornton he's running he go look understand the angle in which the guy's coming down if he's coming down on a he ain't chasing you like this he's coming down at an angle like that so if you try to cut back he hits you even though you right there at the sticks your momentum you got no momentum to go forward you're going to go back

Speaker 7 i'm like guys dude y'all y'all don't think y'all guys don't guys don't really think no more i ain't ain't no way you're thinking like you got to understand the angle in which he's coming if I get it, Ojo, he's coming like this.

Speaker 7 I stop, cut back, go behind you. But when he's coming down,

Speaker 7 you stop. You got no momentum.
His momentum is going to hit you and push you backwards.

Speaker 15 Every time. If anything, especially in that situation, you got to know as a receiver or a tight end, anybody catching the ball in that situation, it's third down.
Yes. It's third down.

Speaker 15 You just catch that and turn straight up field.

Speaker 15 I'm talking about right away. Leadership will play another down instead of allowing it to be four down and it being a 50-50 chance on whether y'all get it or not to keep that drive going

Speaker 7 i think the thing is sometimes ocho is that

Speaker 7 guys that they don't really think about that i'm thinking every every play is not meant to be a big play every play is not meant to be a touchdown you have to understand momentum.

Speaker 7 You have to understand where you are in the game, time of the game, what's it been like, because there are a lot of times that maybe, because sometimes you got to do stuff suddenly to get up out of there.

Speaker 7 suddenly means taking your eyes off the taking your eyes off the ball and try to locate the guy because a lot of times I mean you I mean I've seen myself I'm doing this ocho I'm hey the ball should be right there and I've got I'm seeing where everybody's coming because I want to do something yeah

Speaker 7 well you can't do anything without the ball no not not at all but

Speaker 7 it was things like that but ocho they're gonna have to run they're gonna have Kansas City is going to have to do more of a concerted effort to run the football.

Speaker 15 I got a question. I'm glad you just said that.
When you think about the Kansas City Chiefs, right? As

Speaker 15 Pacheco has been in the past, when have the Chiefs actually ever had a running game, though? When have you actually watched the Chiefs play and been like, you know what?

Speaker 15 We got to worry about the running game.

Speaker 7 You remember when they had Kareem Hunt?

Speaker 15 Oh, before he left, the first time. Yes.

Speaker 15 Yes. But you know who else they had?

Speaker 7 But the Chiefs used to have a night.

Speaker 7 Well, they hadn't had so much of a running game

Speaker 7 with Andy because I don't think Jamal Charles was there with Andy. I think Jamal Charles was there.

Speaker 7 I don't remember, but they got to run the football.

Speaker 7 They put a lot of pressure.

Speaker 7 And the thing was, tonight, defensively, they couldn't get pressure on Herbert unless they blitzed. Tranquil got him twice.

Speaker 7 Coloptas got him early in the game when he tried to climb up in the pocket and

Speaker 7 Coloptas fell back inside and got him. But they couldn't get pressure generating four.

Speaker 7 So now, and it seems like when they bring pressure, it's like, guys,

Speaker 7 Nick, is it Hicks? What number? 27. Is it Hicks?

Speaker 7 Hold on.

Speaker 7 Because I know he made a bunch of, yeah, Hicks. Bro,

Speaker 7 bro,

Speaker 7 you got to be better.

Speaker 15 Yeah.

Speaker 7 You got to be better.

Speaker 7 You got to be better. The guy is screaming at you.

Speaker 7 You got

Speaker 7 no help to the seven. And you turn like he's going to run a post.
And Jocelyn crosses your face.

Speaker 15 Hey, hey, Unc, it's scary on that island like that. You know that, huh?

Speaker 15 It's scary on that island. You know, the first most of the time when you're in a situation like that, you're going for the first move.

Speaker 15 You're going for the first move because you got to understand the speed of the game. Us watching is different.
Out there actually playing it and you ain't got no help.

Speaker 15 So whatever, whatever you see first, you getting up out of there.

Speaker 15 You You're getting up out of there right away.

Speaker 7 The thing is,

Speaker 7 if he ran, if he did something different

Speaker 7 on tape,

Speaker 7 okay, so what is he showing us on tape? Because that's all I can base it on, Ocho. Right.
That's all I can base it on. They give us something different.
I'm going to come to the sideline, Coach.

Speaker 7 This is what they did. I know what we practiced.
I know what we went over. I know what they showed.
This is what they showed us on tape. This is what we said we were going to do against them on tape.

Speaker 7 This is what they're doing. Okay, fine.

Speaker 7 So that's what we're going to have. That's what we don't know, Ocho.
We don't know. But

Speaker 7 they run the inside because all it's going to,

Speaker 7 they run the high low. So basically, you got McConkey.
He studied. He gets to the flat right now.
Now, Keenan Allen, he goes to the high seven.

Speaker 7 One of two things is going to have to happen. Either you're going to have to pass that off.
by McDuffie

Speaker 7 retreating because he's up on Lab McConkey. Yeah.
Because that's all I'm trying to do. I'm just trying to hold.
I'm just trying to hold the outside guy because

Speaker 7 you got me and you're playing inside leverage. So you got, you got, you cannot stop the seven route.
You cannot stop the flag. You can't because you're playing inside leverage.

Speaker 7 So you've already given me the outside. The only way you can stop it, the only way you stop that route, Ocho, is that McDuffie falls off.

Speaker 15 Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But then, and then I've heard it.

Speaker 7 And then I'm going to throw the ball. I'm going to throw the ball.
So you got to really time. You got to say, you know what? I believe he's going to throw this seven ball and I just fall right now.

Speaker 7 But if he throws it, if he throws it to the flat, that's going to be a first down.

Speaker 15 Or if anything, I'm just saying, obviously, I don't play DB and obviously you have to stay within the scheme of the way

Speaker 15 he does things. What I would do, I would communicate.
I would communicate before when I see that, when I see that tendency, when I see that formation,

Speaker 15 I know what they are and I know what's coming. We got that poster.
We got that flat coming right.

Speaker 15 I'm going to tell the safety, man. Listen, I'm going to jump lab right now.
The seven coming behind me go ahead and cheat it

Speaker 7 go ahead go ahead go ahead you know what i'm passing off ojo say this is how we're gonna do it yeah hicks

Speaker 7 you take the flat i'm gonna safe now i got a safety in the hole because if he runs the post the safety is there yeah the only thing that i'm weak against is the backside pot the back pylon yeah so now mcduffy is gonna have to retreat right away now Hicks got to go to the flat right now.

Speaker 7 He's got to go. He's got to take the flat right now.
Right now.

Speaker 15 Yeah. He got to come down.

Speaker 7 Right right now that's the that is the only way you can stop that route because you got two one's running like a little stick what they call a a a a stick route and the other is running a seven route or sell route you can't stop it yeah because if you play a man he's gonna like and mccockie is gonna is gonna occupy mcduffee right away hicks is playing inside leverage so anything that i run to the outside i'm I'm free and clear.

Speaker 7 You can't stop it.

Speaker 15 The funny thing about it is you can't stop it, but I'm thinking and knowing it's coming as a safety.

Speaker 15 I don't even know if he has the freedom to do this because when they turn that film on, they're going to want you inside leverage. Yes.
At what, what, nine, what, maybe nine to ten?

Speaker 7 The safety?

Speaker 15 Yeah.

Speaker 7 Not maybe. Well, safety.

Speaker 7 It looked like it was man coverage. So they probably just had single high safety.
So he's in the hole.

Speaker 15 Oh, down.

Speaker 7 Yeah. No, no, no.

Speaker 7 He's in the hole. He's looking for, you know,

Speaker 7 maybe, maybe, maybe if it's a crossing route, he's going to jump it. But he's in the whole, there's really nothing he can do.

Speaker 15 Right.

Speaker 7 So now, because Hicks is playing on, he's playing inside leverage, because you know why, Ocho, I got to worry about the shallow cross. Right.
If you rub the,

Speaker 7 if I jump outside, he rubs the shallow cross. I'm dead.
I'm in ish for shape. Yes.
Yeah, I'm dead. So now I'm inside leverage.
Now I'm worried. I ain't worried about him beating me across my face.

Speaker 7 But what I've done is that I've given him a free release to the back pylon.

Speaker 15 Yeah.

Speaker 7 And

Speaker 15 listen, that's unfortunate.

Speaker 15 That's unfortunate because obviously, what you're doing is you're giving them one get a one-way go, you're trying to stay the inside, but now you're vulnerable to the outside, correct?

Speaker 15 And if he if he sticks you to the inside, you're really done because you're gonna go for the first move, correct?

Speaker 7 Yep, so uh, you know, give them credit, but I thought the Chargers played really well. They're gonna be they're gonna be tough.
Uh, uh, Herbert threw the ball extremely well tonight.

Speaker 7 Um, we look, he has philical, he has physical twos, a big kid, 6'5,

Speaker 7 230, 240, mobile. He's mobile.
You see the athleticism. I mean, he's shown the athleticism.
We watched him in the, what's that, the Rose Bowl, I think his final year. And he did what he did.

Speaker 7 I didn't know he had that kind of athleticism. And he doesn't show it a whole lot, but he got better.
He's above. He's an above average athlete.

Speaker 7 So, which tells me he can get out of harm's way if he needs to. We know the arm, we know the arm talent.

Speaker 7 We can't deny that. You can say he ain't won nothing, but we can't deny the arm talent.
And the thing is, Ocho, there are two things that play here. Two things can be true.

Speaker 7 You could be a generational talent and not a generational player.

Speaker 7 You could be a generational player without generational talent.

Speaker 7 See, I think sometimes you like, you got to have both. No, you don't.
No, you don't.

Speaker 7 No, you don't. Yeah, I like that.
And Brady and Manning might not be generational talent,

Speaker 7 but you can't argue they're generational players. Right.
Right.

Speaker 7 So

Speaker 7 the things that we can see, what we measure, Ocho, man, look at his arm strength. Man, look how big he is.
Man, look how fast he is, Ocho. Look how athletic he is.

Speaker 7 Okay, those are things that we can see.

Speaker 7 But we've seen guys that had tremendous God-gifted ability.

Speaker 15 Yes, sir.

Speaker 7 not turn out to be generational players or not be even good players or great players. So two things can be true.

Speaker 7 You can be a generational talent and not a generational player you can be a generational player without generational talent right

Speaker 7 and uh but you look at

Speaker 7 build a quarterback

Speaker 7 you're gonna look at

Speaker 7 golly

Speaker 7 the dude 6'4 6'5 235 240. yeah

Speaker 7 bro he could throw the bro he throw the out he throw the dig he throw the comeback he can throw the over he could throw the seven. He can throw the bang.

Speaker 7 Oh, he can throw the shake. He can throw the.

Speaker 7 Hold on. He can get out of harm's way.
He can throw the ball on the move. Yeah.
Left, right. Oh, my goodness.
What is there not to like about it? Right.

Speaker 7 So.

Speaker 15 Listen, what we saw from Herbert the night, Donka is what we've seen since he's gotten in the league. Yeah.
The problem with him, he puts up big numbers. Touchdowns, yards, he does that.

Speaker 15 The problem is the turnovers and decision-making when it matters most. And

Speaker 15 that's when we get to

Speaker 15 playoffs.

Speaker 7 But he needs to do this in a playoff game.

Speaker 15 And that's the hard part because the playoff game is nothing like a week one. It's nothing like a week one.

Speaker 7 That's the difference. It is different.

Speaker 7 When there is finality.

Speaker 7 Because guess what? Whoever lost this game, guess what, Ocho? They got 16 more. Whoever won this game, they got 16 more.
But come playoff time, it ain't the best of five. It's not the best of seven.

Speaker 7 Every game in the NFL is a game seven. So if you think game seven or the NBA Finals or the NBA playoffs or the MLB playoffs or hockey playoffs, you think that's something?

Speaker 7 That's what an NFL player goes through every playoff game. It is a game seven.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 There is no tomorrow.

Speaker 15 Yeah.

Speaker 15 You know what's funny? It's only three game sevens, too. It's only three game sevens to the big dance unless you got a week one.

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 7 It's a, it's uh

Speaker 7 it was like i said ocho i i

Speaker 7 i kind of wanted kansas city to score to see how they were going to play it maybe they do the same thing ocho right maybe they kick the ball deep they got their timeout they got the two-minute warning they try to hold them

Speaker 7 maybe the own side we we won't ever know because you know they didn't get an opportunity defense didn't get off the field uh but i think we we we uh

Speaker 7 the chargers deserve credit yeah um i thought mahomes Mahomes, once he got it going, I mean, he had to be.

Speaker 7 I mean, come on, Ocho, the man's parallel to the guy, and he throws it over his head, and Juju catches it.

Speaker 7 I mean, you, if when you go back and look at it, Ocho, think about it: Juju,

Speaker 7 the Steelers moved on, yeah, the cheat, uh, uh, uh, the Patriots moved on, yeah, Taequan Thornton ran 4-2 at the combine, the Patriots says, nah,

Speaker 7 uh, uh, Kareem Hunt is a comeback, came back. Hollywood Brown,

Speaker 7 the Ravens traded him. The Cardinals said, nah, we good.

Speaker 7 I mean, think about it.

Speaker 7 It's hard, Ocho, to keep winning with castoffs.

Speaker 7 And look, they're okay players, but

Speaker 7 it is what it is, Ocho.

Speaker 7 Somebody said, you know what? We good. We're better without you.

Speaker 15 Listen,

Speaker 15 you also have to understand there's always somebody else coming behind you that wants your job. There are also other people that come behind you that take your job where they fit the system better.

Speaker 15 They just fit the system better. So for Mahomes, Mahomes is a tier one quarterback.
He's one where the people around him don't matter.

Speaker 15 I view Patrick Mahomes the same way I view Tom Brady when he was with the New England Patriots. The pieces to the puzzle with the Patriots offensively, they changed differently every year.

Speaker 15 Every year there was somebody else plug in and play, plug in and play, but nothing changed. They remain consistent offensively.
Why? Because that centerpiece, that one piece that matched,

Speaker 15 that was 12. So I really view the Kansas City Chiefs that way.
Tyreek Hill is gone. Since Tyreek Hill, it's been a multitude of different players, different receivers, and they haven't missed a beat.

Speaker 7 They haven't missed a beat.

Speaker 15 And even though they didn't play up the par tonight in week one, Andy Reed is going to figure it out.

Speaker 7 I'm more concerned with the defense.

Speaker 15 You think so? Already, Spagho had him boys on point. Because

Speaker 7 they couldn't get pressure. Without bringing pressure, they They couldn't get pressure and now now if I bring pressure What must I do?

Speaker 7 I must sacrifice my back end because that's what single high somewhere somewhere on the back end I got I gotta I gotta sacrifice something Ocho right if I make X amount of dollars Something's not gonna get paid this month

Speaker 7 Yeah, I'm just saying Ocho, what's not gonna get paid? Hey, the

Speaker 7 cell phone bill Yeah, the cable bill, light bill, gas bill, but something because I only have X amount of dollars. I only have so much money to stretch.
I can only stretch it so far.

Speaker 15 Right.

Speaker 7 So, as my grandma said, I'll send you a little piece of something, son.

Speaker 7 Hey, that's all I got.

Speaker 7 Um,

Speaker 7 I like CJ more on the inside at the shade as I do on the outside. On to the nine technique, but because he doesn't have he doesn't have an advantage out there.

Speaker 7 His quickness, he he's he's extremely quick for a guard, but he's not not quick for an end

Speaker 7 so he doesn't gain he doesn't gain an advantage yep but now you now there there are some guys that he might be able to beat but when he's in that when he's in that shade when he's in that under he's that three tech

Speaker 7 that's why i like that's where i like cj

Speaker 15 i i i think you know what i i i like that that he does do it because you can never know where he's going to be You have to account for him. You have to account for him.

Speaker 15 And it's confusing to the offensive lineman because you always have to, when you come to the line before the snap you always got to see where is 95 at let's identify 95.

Speaker 15 i think that's why you move him move him so much because he's able to do so much more and he doesn't have to deal with that double team all the damn time well

Speaker 7 i like it more on a five or or a seven as opposed to a nine now they wanted to get him wide because they want to get him on the edges right and they don't want to chip but he doesn't get

Speaker 7 If he's playing if he's playing against like Alt did a great job of neutralizing, but you got to realize those guys out there are really athletic.

Speaker 7 The advantage that you have is that when you don't have the athleticism, they normally bump you down inside to the guard. Those tackles are really athletic.

Speaker 7 Those are guys that were tight ends that played a lot of other positions. Right, right, right.

Speaker 7 When they were smaller, they weren't always that size. And they probably played, maybe they were a tight end, or maybe they were, you know,

Speaker 7 a basketball player at one point in time that just grew out of that.

Speaker 7 But

Speaker 7 I think Kansas City's offense is going to be fine. I'm sure Andy will find a way to get up out of this.
But the AFC West has gotten better. Denver is better.
The Chargers are better.

Speaker 7 We'll see what the rate is going to be.

Speaker 15 Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Slow down, slow down, slow down.

Speaker 15 You don't know if the Broncos have gotten better because they haven't played week one yet.

Speaker 7 The Broncos have gotten better.

Speaker 7 It's hard for me to see a scenario based on

Speaker 7 Sean Payton. Sean Payton quarterbacks don't normally regress.
Right. They don't.
Now, it could happen, have a side, but he's not a guy that's going to let you regress because he's going to ride you.

Speaker 7 Sean Payton is an old school guy. He learned on the part sales.
Yeah. And they ride you.

Speaker 15 I have a question.

Speaker 7 Yes.

Speaker 15 Who do the Denver Broncos play week one?

Speaker 7 The Titans?

Speaker 7 Yeah, I didn't hear. Yeah, they played.
They play the Titans and

Speaker 7 play the Titans in Mile high hey boy i don't know calvin ridley and cam ward calvin ridley and cam ward they it's hard to get the ball it's hard to throw the ball when you're on your back the broncos led the league in sacks last year

Speaker 7 wait what year was that last year yes 2025 dog but see but you told me cat you say uh you said new england you told me uh philly had nothing to worry about same personnel that what you told me Well, actually, I said defensively they had something to worry about because they let Slag go.

Speaker 15 They let Slay go and they let, I forgot the young bull that played dv well what about what about the guy that was calling the plays

Speaker 15 oh that's right hey

Speaker 15 hey um i guarantee you i don't know who the eagles play next oh they play the chiefs yes i played

Speaker 15 i guarantee the first the first 15 you know the first 15 plays are scripted yeah i guarantee you i guarantee you three of those plays are specifically for aj brown

Speaker 15 I guarantee you the first play going right to him because that's

Speaker 15 that's ridiculous even though they won the game even though they won the game you can't do your star player like that you can't you just can't I'm looking at Justin Herbert and they're like okay we can throw the ball

Speaker 10 yeah

Speaker 7 well I mean A.J.

Speaker 15 Brown is better than Quentin Johnson let me tell you why they can throw the ball as well did you see O'Marion Hampton yeah you see

Speaker 7 okay rookie I mean look look he not look they they ran the ball 25 times for 90 yards that's nothing that that ain't

Speaker 7 Look, that's less than four yards of carry.

Speaker 15 That's a good balance, though. It's a good balance.

Speaker 7 But here's the thing, Ocho.

Speaker 7 If you can't pressure without, if you couldn't get pressure with the Chargers' offensive line, what makes you think you'll get pressure with the Eagles' offensive line?

Speaker 7 They got the two number one rated tackles in football. Yeah, you're right.

Speaker 7 Now.

Speaker 7 You bring pressure.

Speaker 7 You open up your back end. I think their back end is weak.

Speaker 7 I don't think the Kansas City Chiefs secondary is like, oh my God, we can't do it.

Speaker 15 Hey, hold on. But

Speaker 15 the Kansas City secondary normally play two shell in cover two or 55. One or the other.

Speaker 15 So

Speaker 15 everything, most of the time, your success is going to have to come from the run game and force them to drop a safety down,

Speaker 15 which they had to do when they played the Eagles in the Super Bowl.

Speaker 15 to make sure Saquon Barkley is not beating us. They did something they don't normally do.

Speaker 15 Outside of that, two-shell, bump and run on the outside, throw off the timing, and whoever's in the slot, or number three, or tight end, you got the win.

Speaker 15 Yeah, the win because that's what a one-on-one is.

Speaker 7 So

Speaker 7 it's going to be interesting to see. You know, that's a big game next week, obviously.

Speaker 7 Chiefs, I mean, when was the last time the Chiefs started 0-2?

Speaker 7 I don't think they started 0-2 in the Mahomes era.

Speaker 15 No,

Speaker 15 probably not. Absolutely not.

Speaker 15 That's going to be a good game. No, that's going to be a very, very good game.
Rematch of the Super Bowl, that's going to be a nice one. 2014.

Speaker 7 They hadn't lost two. They hadn't started the season 0-2 since 2014.

Speaker 7 Ocho, the Kansas City Chiefs entered tonight with an incredible 17-game win streak in one score games regular season and postseason.

Speaker 7 That streak dating back to Christmas Day 2023 against the Raiders is now over.

Speaker 7 Look, when you have that guy, you have a chance.

Speaker 7 That's how you feel when you have a legendary great quarterback. When you had a Brady, you have a Mahomes, you have a Peyton Manning, you have a Brees or Montana or John Elway.

Speaker 7 You always feel if we can keep it close, they'll make a play in the end that'll win the game for us. We trust them.
We just need to keep it close.

Speaker 7 We need to get it close or keep it close, whatever the case may be, and then they'll make a play for us.

Speaker 7 Give them credit, and that's what happens when you have a because a lot of things need to go right for you. Defense need to get the ball back for you.

Speaker 7 So, three and out, take the ball away, and then Mahomes and that offense need to do what they've done 17 times before tonight, which is find a way to get in field goal range or to win the game with a touchdown.

Speaker 7 So,

Speaker 7 I just, that's a long way to return home after L.

Speaker 15 Yeah, it is.

Speaker 15 It is

Speaker 15 either way for us, for the fans, for the football fans, for me, I'm not sure if you enjoyed it, but I enjoyed it. I enjoyed the game.

Speaker 15 Now, the first half was a little sloppy, a little flashes, a little play here, a little play there, but

Speaker 15 I enjoyed that second half. I really, really, really, really like Lad McConkey.
Excuse me, Ladarius McConkey.

Speaker 7 And considering Justin Herbert in last year's playoff game, he had four interceptions.

Speaker 7 He couldn't have picked a better way to start the season,

Speaker 7 a 300-in-3 TD game.

Speaker 7 Well,

Speaker 7 there's no question this is our talent.

Speaker 7 He has above-average athleticism. The only thing is, okay, come playoff time, bro.
We need something like this. Right.

Speaker 15 Yeah.

Speaker 7 I'm not saying you got to give us

Speaker 7 three and three, 300 yards pass and three touchdowns, but you can't give us four INTs either. Yeah.

Speaker 7 There ain't a whole lot of defenses that could overcome that kind of poor performance from their quarterback. Go ahead, Ocho, you want to say something?

Speaker 15 I said, one thing they're going to do is they're going to drop back and throw that ball.

Speaker 15 They're going to drop back and throw that ball over there in L.A.

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