Deebo & Joe - Monday Night Football REACTION! Vikings SHOCKING comeback vs. Bears

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Welcome to this episode of Debo and Joe.

I'm your host, James Debo Harrison, and here's my co-host, Joe Hayden.

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Man, listen, I'm feeling a whole lot better right now.

Last week was a little hectic, but I want to let you know, Joe, I got a hard out at 12.

I got to get my son to the hyperbaric chamber to heal him up, bro.

Okay, respect, respect.

Look, my son, today, September 9th, is my oldest boy, Joseph Ali Hayden, the fourth's ninth birthday.

He turns nine years old today.

Let's go.

Come on, birthday.

Happy birthday, big Joey.

Thank you.

Shout out to you.

I was hectic last week, baby.

I had two surgeries last week, bro.

You had a lot going on.

We both were.

Yes, sir.

My youngest son had a surgery.

sorry my oldest son had a surgery on wednesday and then my oldest son he had a surgery on friday like it's like it was

yeah so my my son james he did like a slap tear in his uh meniscus how was it going how did the surgery go how's he doing oh it went good it went good and then my uh oldest more sorry my youngest son he did uh he blew out his um

his labrum in his in his shoulder dude it's it's crazy dude it's you know what?

Let me rewind this.

So

my oldest has had three surgeries in

14 months, dude.

God.

Like, and it's not the complications of other surgeries?

No, dude.

You know what?

This is our show.

To hell with it.

I'm going somewhere else with this.

So

let's start back at the beginning.

So my son, the oldest, he's playing ball his freshman year.

Everything's going good.

He gets into his sophomore year.

And, you know, I like to take my kids with me out to AZ to train.

So I take him with me out there.

We come back.

His sophomore year, he, as soon as he gets back, he does like a high ankle sprain.

Okay.

So he sprains his ankle.

He doesn't take the time to heal it.

And he goes back out there and he plays on it.

So.

The second game of the season, he goes out there

and he actually like tears two of the ligaments in his ankle

and he blows his sc joint his sternal cavicular joint right where is that dude it's right here it's right here so we actually got lucky with that process because it went uh

it went

anterior instead of posterior i believe because if it had went the other way then you know you have a chance of it like hitting like his carotid artery yeah

uh

juggler vein all that stuff right getting bad right it's getting it's getting bad right i don't know that that is what has happened you know so he's on he's not starting as a sophomore so he's playing saturday and you know i see him i'm like dude you can't move like you need to go you know i need to take you to get an mri right and he's like no no no i'll be all right you know i don't uh i don't want to get an mri i don't want to mispractice i don't you know i don't want the coaches you know know, saying nothing.

I'm like, okay, all right, I'll let you make that decision.

So as the season goes on, we don't know, like I said, about the SC.

And I had my chiropractor come in.

My chiropractor comes in every, every so often.

And he's like, hey, James, hey, man, you need to, you need to look at this.

His SC is just circling.

It's popping in and out.

So look at it.

He played after that.

We don't know he did it.

He thought he had a stinger.

He's like, I got it, you know, I got a a stinger, whatever.

He said, I tweaked my ankle.

I'm like,

I'm like, you ain't tweaked your ankle.

I'm like, you can't move.

I'm seeing him Saturday.

I'm like, dude, you can't move.

Like, you, you, you looking bad.

I told him, I said, you're looking like shit, son, you know?

And I'm like, well, I'm going to let you tough through it.

You make the decision, you know.

So after he does that, my chiropractor looks at it.

He tells him, you know, you need to get it looked at.

I'm like, hey, we're going to get MRI.

And while we're there, we're going to get MRI on your ankle too, right?

So we get to mri come to find out he has a couple uh torn ligaments uh in his ankle and his sc is blown we got all that fixed right he's going to he's going he's going to need surgery right well what we don't know at that time is like how serious like it it could have been so he's trying to figure out how he can't get surgery so we have to go to um

a thoracic uh surgeon so a specialist like that's all he you know he really does He really does.

So we talk to him and, you know, James really wants to continue to play.

And he's like, dude, you cannot continue to play football if you do not get this fixed because it could literally kill you.

You know what I'm saying?

So life will tell you.

You know, that now I think it's

right before the playoffs.

So we're going into the playoffs.

I tell the coach, hey, I'm pulling him.

He can't, you know, he can't play.

He can't finish the season.

You know, it's a game or two before the playoffs.

They go into the playoffs, they get to the championship game, they end up losing their runners-ups.

So

by this time, we done figured out that James has to get this surgery.

You know what I'm saying?

It's no other choice.

And it's a nine-month timeframe.

So he done missed half his sophomore year.

He's

the whole

of his junior year.

Junior year.

Okay.

And now, you know, we know he has to get the thoracic surgery in July and he's going to get the ankle surgery in September.

So

we fast forward.

He done lost so much weight, dude.

He's 155 pounds by the time.

How much did he start off when he started off when it first started?

190.

190, okay.

So he done lost like 40 pounds, you know, of weight.

Yeah.

And by the time he's able to get back into it, you know, we built, we built everything back up.

We get, we get into it.

And now he's 205.

Oh, well, come on.

So his first day right right right so his first day of practice now it's april may this is the first time he's been cleared to actually do any kind of real movement on his ankle and he gets in he's doing a little move and he feels something in his ankle so he kind of kind of walks it off the coach looks at him and says hey are you all right he says

you know

He said, well, if you can't do the drill correctly, don't do it.

So So that popped off.

So I teach my kids, don't say nothing to adults.

James went on ahead.

If you got a problem, you come to me.

So he got out of practice.

He comes to me.

Now he tells me this.

And then he continues to tell me what he hadn't told me over the course of the last three years.

See, I'm a parent and I'm like, you know what?

I'm going to sit back.

I'm going to stay out the way, especially when it's football, because I don't want these coaches feeling some kind of way.

They don't know everything, all the other stuff, right?

So I'm going to sit back.

I'm going to do all that so now he's telling me from the time he was a freshman basically they've been they've been saying to him you know hey man you need to toughen up you need to go harder you need to do more all this other stuff right do they not know about his injury no like no no no they don't so so we can't blame we can't blame we can't blame we can't blame him for that if they would have known

we can't we can't we can't blame them for that but my kids are tough i don't raise i don't raise

you've been saying i'm going through i i can only imagine james Exactly.

So the fact that you're even insinuating that and

it kind of upsets me.

But

I go ahead and I'm like, you know what?

He's like, yo, I don't want to play no more.

I don't want to play here.

I don't want to be here.

Like, I'm done, dad.

I'm like, listen, let me go talk to the coach.

I got to insert myself now.

So I sit down.

I talk to the coach.

And, you know, I let him know.

you know, my son could have lost his life out there.

Like, if that thing went the other way, we wouldn't have done nothing.

He could have led out on the field.

And on top of that, my son tells me that he has an exit meeting with the equipment manager.

And the equipment manager tells him, with my son knowing they don't know this, that he has to get this surgery that's going to end his whole junior year, tells him, you know what?

I think you could have, you could have been, you know, you could have toughened it out.

You could have, you could have did more.

Oh, no.

Oh, no.

So, so I'm telling the coach this.

We're going in and I let him know.

I said, you know, from this point forward, I will no longer be sitting back.

I will be 100% active.

I will be present.

I will be, yes, I will be present.

So from that point forward, like I was already going, I got to work on this ankle every day because it is certain things that you need to do to make sure, you know, it goes right and you got to lost it.

It's things that the normal training room is not going to do.

They don't even know to do.

So

fast forward again, we get into his first game back in senior year.

He ain't played in the last, you know, two years basically.

And he done missed half his sophomore, all of his junior, and now it's game one.

Dude, we get into game one, and I ain't gonna even lie, I ain't never told my son he was, he was, he was good, but I was like, son, you was, you know, he was doing good.

He was doing real good, dude.

Now, the second half comes and

he goes to cut and it's alignment on him.

He's trying to make the tackle.

He actually makes the tackle and his knee just, bow, it bowls out, right?

So

at that same time he did his ankle and his SC, he told me his knee hurt, you know, so he just said it hurt.

I'm going to come back to that.

So he goes and, you know, I kind of see the next play and I'm like, he ain't moving right.

I know when my son ain't moving right.

Two, three plays later, they call me like, hey, your son wants you.

I come down there and he's like, you know, my knee hurt.

I, you know, when I stepped it, it, you know, it kind of went out and

da da da.

So, you know, we're sitting there.

I'm like, I don't know what to tell him, dude.

I am, I'm at a loss for words, dude.

I'm like, God, help me.

I need something.

I just, it ain't got to be now, but I need something, you know?

yeah so i'm sitting there i get up i go back into the stands you know the game ends i go down i grab his helmet and he says um

hey dad walk behind me in the line i think something about to happen i'm like okay so i'm walking behind my son in the line as they go do their thing right and you know how kids are they they they mouthing talking back and forth so as i'm walking behind in the line the ad grabs me say oh hey you can't be in the line i'm like all right cool so i move to the side so as I'm moving to the side, kids, you know, they going back and forth.

They kids, you know, your coaches, you get your kid, you know, tell them, hey, kill it, whatever.

Yeah.

So as I'm walking through, I didn't got so far behind that my son can't see me.

He about 20 yards ahead of me.

And I see a grown man, a coach.

He pointing.

He's saying, that's him right there.

That's him.

I said, hey.

Who the fuck you pointing at?

What was he pointing at your son for?

Saying he was the one that was mouthing off.

And basically, that's the one y'all need to go get.

I said, dude, you ever point at mine again?

You know,

I went to a grown ass man.

Yes.

I said, you're a grown-ass man, dude.

You go ahead and grab these kids.

Let these kids mouth off.

Get your own kids.

Oh, he went to crickets.

So now

AD is trying to get me to leave.

They done got security and all this other stuff.

So I go ahead and I walk back.

So I still don't know what's up with James's ankle, right?

So, I mean, sorry, I still don't know what's up with James's knee.

So we get back there and he's, he's working his knee.

And I'm looking and I'm like,

it's loose.

I'm like, that ACL is loose.

It's not, you know how you get that pop at the end?

Yeah.

It's not doing that pop.

So, you know, I tell James, hey, go get dressed.

You know, doctor said, I don't know.

You know, he's going to have to get it looked at, you know, da, da, da.

So I'm like, James, go get dressed.

So I'm like, dog, you know, that's loose, dude.

He said, I can't say for sure that it's gone.

He said, they had another kid that actually tour his completes.

Like, that was that his is totally, it was gone.

Like, it was no question.

James is, he couldn't say it for sure, for sure.

He couldn't say it for sure.

So it was a maybe.

So I leave, and as I'm leaving, you know, James come up to me and he's like,

he's like, dad, just tell me the truth.

I'm like, son, I don't know.

You know, if I knew, I would tell you, but I don't know.

So we go and

we go and we get the, we get the MRI.

Now,

I ain't a doctor, but I play one sometimes, okay?

So

I'm sitting back there and I'm looking at the MRI

and I'm like, dude, that's his ACL.

Yeah.

I'm looking at him.

I'm like, it's his ACL.

I can see it, dude.

I'm like, it's his ACL.

So he get out of the thing and I'm, you know, I'm just preparing him, you know, I'm like, hey,

I think from what I'm looking at, dude, it's your ACL.

And,

like, that's, you know,

we'll figure out what it is.

We'll figure it out, babe.

It's, it's, I mean, hey, you can just go, you're going to have to pray on it, dude.

Yeah.

I'm like, everything,

you got to put it in the middle.

Everything happened for a reason.

Everything happens.

And I know right now in God's time.

It's not your time.

It's going to be God's time.

Yes, no question.

So, you know, we go back over after we get the MRI and they put it up on the screen.

And I'm looking at it.

And

he sees it up there.

And he goes and started looks looking on his phone.

And he looks and he's like, oh yeah, it's gone, you know, and you know, he ain't, he ain't lost it yet.

He ain't lost it yet.

So Doc comes in and Doc is like, yeah, you know, he calls for the guided reason.

He's like,

you know,

what about this?

What about that?

And he's like, well, it's a meniscus.

It looks like a little, it's a slap tear on the meniscus and, you know, so on and so forth.

And Doc's like, no, what about the, you know, what about the ACL?

He's like, yeah, it's um, it's scarred up, it's healed.

He's like, would you like, it's scarred up, it's healed.

At some point, he uh, he tore his ACL, it's scarred up, and it healed.

The same game that he told me his knee hurt where he messed up his ankle and he messed up his SC,

he actually did a partial tear of his ACL.

Damn.

So, yo, your little man, bro.

Listen, all these injuries he's fighting through the mix is a gangster.

So, I go

and,

you know, he's sitting over there.

He's anxious, like, what, what, what?

And I'm kind of giggling in my head because I know what's going on.

I know what's going on.

And

the

when he finally just sat down and was like, yo, so this is what it is.

You got a slap tear.

You're looking at maybe three to four weeks and you know, you could be back at it.

Dude, This dude dropped to his knees, like he started.

We

hugged me, yeah, dude.

He hugged me, and I'm like laughing, but I'm laughing, crying because I'm so happy right now.

Oh, for sure, that's the doc is like, What's going on?

Are we okay?

I'm like, Doc, you know what?

We are good, dude.

We are real good,

and you know, at times like that, dude, like I really lean heavy on the word.

You know what I'm saying?

I lean

right now.

What I do is I actually send my sons scripture in the morning after I do my reading in the morning, you know.

And

the more

I get into the word, the closer and the more of a relationship I build with my Lord and Savior.

I was, I was baptized and, you know, I accepted my Lord and Savior in August of 24, dude.

And from that point forward, I can't.

I can't, I can't think of anything that has given me more comfort than that, dude.

I love that, man.

I love that, dude.

And for him, you know, and at the time, I'm just telling him, like, yo, you know,

you're being attacked right now, man.

And

this

is not, this is not, this is not God.

This is that way.

He's trying to pull you away.

He's trying, he's seeing that

you're getting closer and he's trying to pull you away to get you to be like, you know what?

This ain't working.

No, it's working.

You know what I'm saying?

It's always yes.

It just may not be right now.

It may not be right now.

you have to go through different things to to to build more faith you know what i'm saying it may not come when you want it yes it'll be there right on time no question you know what i'm saying so

i say all that to let them know man

so after that game

the the ad sent out a letter like the coaches you know the players they can't be on the field anymore i mean well parents can't be on the field anymore and all that other stuff right

so

you know me I got to let them know I'm going to protect mine at all.

All costs.

And as I said before, it's only two things that go stop me from protecting mine.

That's God and the grave.

He ain't never, he ain't neither one of them.

He's it, Debo.

You understand?

Well, Debo, good news is your good man is good.

My young man is good.

Yes, sir.

And we got

and we got some good ball.

And we got some football.

How it go?

How it go?

Faith?

Family football?

Faith, family football.

That's what they say.

Let's go.

Let's get to the football, baby.

We got the Vikings, man.

You know what?

It ain't even the Vikings, man.

It's another team that squandered something in the fourth quarter, dude.

I don't know what is going on with this week.

Listen,

you got the conspiracy theory.

I'm trying to tell you, man.

I'm trying to tell you.

Listen, man.

I'm going to give credit.

I'm going to give the credit to JJ, man.

Like, you know, he stays to come back for the ages, you know?

Yeah.

But

he got some help, man.

He got some help.

You know what I'm saying?

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Yes,

he's the only such quarterback since 1950 to do it so on the road.

Yes.

Yes.

And he did it, but like 13 of 20, 143 yards, two touch, and he still had a pick to the house.

Bears, how did you lose that game, man?

This is what I'm trying to tell you, James.

You're always going to have winners and you're going to have losers at the end of these games.

You want to lead a stadium with a win.

The Bears find out a way to lose.

They find out a way to lose.

I love Caleb first drive.

He looks amazing.

He's scrambling around his line, not getting too much protection.

He had to be ready to jump on the bandwagon.

Who?

he had he ready to jump on the bandwagon it look it looked nice right what nothing that the bears really do is on time you know what i'm saying everything is ad living he's moving he's scrambling he's getting around he's extending plays nothing's really too simple for him drop back boom i'm chilling uh get the ball out everything he's he's running for his life and extending plays and making things go a little bit harder.

JJ McCarthy, beginning of the game, was not looking good.

Through the pick, six and the third.

Not looking good.

But But listen to what I'm telling you.

Listen, what I'm telling you.

The way that you just stay the flow, stay a course.

His coach, J.J.

McCarthy, and my good man, Josh McCowan, over there back up the quarter.

He was a quarterback for the Browns.

He's now on the sideline.

I think he might be quarterback coach there.

The way that they made it simple for him.

And when they went man-to-man in the fourth quarter, he started going to Justin Jefferson.

He threw the ball to the running back out of the backfield, Aaron Jones, on the wheel route for the touchdown.

And then he used his legs.

I just love the fact how the Vikings, they didn't give up on him he was not not don't give me any stretcher to imagine jade mccarthy played like aaron rodgers or any of those other dudes but you said he did or you said he did not he did

all not even cloak don't do that not even close okay i got even i misheard i said i'm saying mccarthy i'm jj he did what he had to do to end up winning the game in the fourth quarter they scored 21 points he did those drives i'm not at the beginning of the game that was subpar that was subpar for sure but the bears could have extended their lead they could have won They could have figured it out.

But when it got to the end, when it got to the gritty, he scored three touchdowns when they needed to get those touchdowns and get out of the stadium.

And the Bears found a way to finagle it and to lose it.

That's one question, dude.

Them boys only had like a 7% chance of winning with 134 left in the third quarter.

What was it, 17, 16?

Brother, the fourth quarter.

21.

Fourth quarter, 21 points, brother.

21.

So I just love, I mean, I'm not going to, I'm not praising like he played amazing.

The first quarters were not all that in any stretch.

He didn't do not 50 some yards, an interception, a pick six, but in that four that needed to be done, he did.

Whatever, whatever that halftime message was that O'Connell told JJ, man.

Bro, like, I want to know what he said.

Like,

listen, he still came, he came out of half and still threw the pick six.

Hey, you know, he came out, threw the picks.

Great speech, pick six.

Boom.

All right, we still good?

Hey, listen, what's going to happen?

You're going to go out here and you're going to throw this pick six and then you go.

Then then you're gonna come back even better

for real you like what's what's your best halftime speech you ever had or did you even need that oh the best halftime speech i ever had that was in college by tim tebo when we i hear that a lot t bow got words t-bow got words t-bow got bars and t-bow mean what he say and that's why i rock with what t-bow was on he's like you look at me look at me we're gonna give you the best 60 minutes for the rest of our lives for the rest of our lives that was the best pre-game the best halftime speech I've ever had.

You thought them 60 minutes after that, y'all was just dead.

That's all that matters, huh?

That's all we had.

I was going to give him all I had because I knew he was going to give me all he had.

Oh, no question.

I think Tebow was like the coldest college quarterback ever.

I mean, pros, it's something different.

You know what I'm saying?

That's a totally different, that's a totally different monster over there.

Like, dude, Caleb, he just, I think he helped everything that they did, dude.

Like, first quarter, fire.

Second quarter,

fourth, third quarter,

fourth quarter, dude, dude.

I think the last three quarters, dude, went what?

It was a couple of passes in the fourth.

I'm not going to lie.

12 of 20, 30.

30 something.

He was throwing great.

27, something like that.

He shows flashes.

He shows flashes all around of excellence, scrambling, throwing it on the run, all different angles, putting the ball in where it needs to be.

But like you said, in that fourth quarter, putting the ball where it needs to be, dude.

He missed the side.

I'm saying through the first three, through the first three quarters, we saw all that he was diving.

But then in the fourth, we saw errant throws just over people's heads, things that you just, you just need to make those passes.

And when I say that with JJ McCarthy, on the fourth quarter, when he threw that wheel route to the running back, it was perfect because he didn't even throw it, like make him go run and get it.

He's wide open.

Throw it so he can catch the ball and fall into the end zone.

You know what I'm saying?

Like just simple things like that is where, Caleb, just get the ball into their hands.

A lot of plays he does do great, but then in the fourth, it just started looking like, I don't know what it was, but some passers were just

flying out of his hands.

Listen, man, how you going to be the number one pick, dude, of your draft class?

And now you done lost to everybody that came after you.

Daniels, May, and JJ.

What are we talking about?

Yeah, you're right.

And he was the number one pick too.

And I mean, I ain't gonna lie, the Bears, it's the Bears.

Like, you acting like the Bears.

The Bears?

It's the organization.

organization.

Like, I don't, I don't really like what they're doing over there, man.

They're setting them up, they got them looking crazy.

They had Trubisky out there looking crazy, they had Justin Fields out there looking crazy.

Now they got Caleb out there looking crazy.

Hell, they had the field out there looking crazy, dude.

The field, yeah, they had the field out there.

Lead they up there stamping down the field, right?

Patched up, patched up, like you had a damn game.

Like, bro, I don't know what they just doing.

We had a situation like that with the Stillers, dude.

It was, I want to say it was like 2007, Miami.

And it, well, you know, they, they have like all those games playing like around that time.

And then Pitt plays on it.

They had the high schools playing on it.

So what they did is they restarted the field like right after they had stopped the games on Saturday.

And then it rained, poured cats and dogs, bro.

It was so bad.

The punter kicked the ball and the ball hitting the ground and

just stayed there just like that

like

a golf shot like a golf

yes dude and then like when you would go to cut dude like if this was my foot right here bro like that thing would be all the way up on my ankle dude like on my own damn near close to my um my shin dude like my foot would be that deep into the into the mud when you was going to cut

And that was at where?

That was a hindsight.

That was at Heinz Field.

They had re-soded.

So what they did is they,

I believe it ended up being they soldered it for them and then they couldn't get it removed.

So they like kind of like sold it on top and then it poured rain like for the whole time.

Like all the way through the game and all that.

Like, dude, that was the worst.

Was that the worst?

That was the worst field you ever played on?

Dude, that's the worst.

That was the worst.

field I had ever played on, dude.

Okay.

Yeah.

I mean, I played in Chicago a couple of times, and their field is the grass is high and it's kind of patchy, you know.

So, that that field is just not, I'm, I'm not, not a fan of, not a fan of the bears feel.

I'm not a fan of turf.

I mean, I like, I like turf, I like natural grass.

So, if my favorite, do that bother you when you go out there and you see like they ain't really taking care of the field?

Do it affect you?

I mean, no, it doesn't affect me at all.

I'm gonna tell you, I'm gonna tell you this right now.

When I see the field ain't taken care of, and it's like, it's, it's like muddy and sodty, I'm like, yeah, they can't run that that helps me like look i'm gonna power through it i'm gonna speed guys i'm gonna i'm gonna be able to catch their ass now i'm a cornerback i'm a cornerback my first thing i'm thinking about is my footing can i

can i fall can i break so i instantly need to go get the seven studs yes you gotta stagger me in the grass and you got terrible feel i gotta go get them seven studs with them long so i know my feet no matter what

dudes always making fun of the seven studs but if you're in the grass and the terrible field and you don't have on seven studs, you're not going to be sticking.

Yeah, so if you're going, you stagger them things, it give you that, give you that good grip.

Over there, press down on that big one on the front, small one here, two big ones here, and then your

small was in the back.

Like, you got to stagger them things, man.

It makes it so much easier to grip and get onto that field.

My coach,

Keith Butler, man, he taught us that, man.

Oh, yeah, we know bust was to make it sure.

Go put the seven studs.

Yeah.

You have buttons.

Get you some.

Yeah, I have butts.

Get you some seven studs.

Yeah, you was there in the one year.

Yeah.

I had butts for sure.

Yeah.

I love butts.

Yeah, for sure, man.

That's it.

Dude, Buzz is the best linebacker coach I ever had.

I bet.

Like, I credit him with my career just as much as I credit Dick Nabo.

Without the two of them, there is no dude.

Nah, Bussy was a great, good.

Bussy's hilarious, bro.

He's hilarious.

Yeah.

So let's get over here to that Sunday night loss with the Ravens.

So that Sunday night loss for the Ravens was the seventh time since the start of the 2022 season that they have lost a game while leading by double digits in the second half, dude.

Wow.

That's crazy, dude.

They have blown 17 such leagues since John Harbaugh became the team's coach.

coach harbaug acknowledged that number is too high

and he said the team has to be really intentional when they find themselves in the position in the future maybe part of it is we're ahead

we're ahead a lot and we have a lot of two-point leads i don't believe we need to really

I believe we need to really,

what did it say?

I believe we need to really thoughtfully,

what?

I can't see it.

Make it bigger.

They need to be thoughtful of protecting leads.

There we go.

I do believe we need to be really thoughtful of how we approach the situation going forward.

Let's give it some time.

Let's give it some thought.

Let's give it

some thought to the play calling.

Let's give some thought to the defense play calling.

Let's give some thought to my minds, to our mindset.

Yeah, it's everything I told you.

Y'all stopped calling plays, you started calling plays to try and run the clock out.

The defense started playing soft, keep everything in front of you, and their mindset was gone as soon as they got that.

What was it, 20 to 25 to 40 lead?

They just thought it was going to be a pushover and take off.

You're only two scores away from actually losing the game if they make two two-point conversions.

Debo, you speaking, you saying, he's saying, I don't, we need to be thoughtful thoughtful

about protecting leads.

No, you don't.

You need to keep on doing what you was doing to get the lead.

You need to keep on trying to score.

Hey, stop trying to play check words.

Fucking lose.

He's talking about right here.

Play to win.

Don't play to lose.

When you start playing not to lose, then that's when you lose.

You got to play to win the game.

You get up in the lead.

Don't start changing nothing up.

Keep going hard.

Keep blitzing them.

Don't make your defense get back and get all protective.

No, you know what I'm saying?

Keep blasting them.

might have went by 40.

right pile on dog walk

soon you get soon you get to chilling they're gonna get to spanking you it's a such thing as momentum and soon you let a dog get one bite on you they're like all right bet now we're getting now you in retreat mode no don't never go in retreat mr harbaugh you have derrick henry and lamar jackson don't slow them down keep going keep going keep scoring that's the way you're going to protect your league make it bigger

yeah that yes that's the way you protect your league you make it bigger you don't sit there and hold on to it.

This ain't like it's two minutes left and they ain't got no time out.

No, you're going to be playing out a whole quarter.

And y'all got a whole bunch.

Y'all just seen him go down there and get a field goal in less than 20 seconds at the end of the half.

It down there.

Stop you.

Stop.

What are we talking about?

What are you saying, man?

Like, that don't make no sense at all.

That's why I love Jim Harbor.

He's a great coach, but what he's saying out of his mouth right there, I just don't agree with.

Like, just keep going hard.

Like, we need to be thoughtful of protecting the lead.

No, you need to keep trying to murder keep trying to score keep trying to sack strip fumble keep trying to get more points yeah i i think just i think he might have used the wrong word and he came back and said they need to change the play calling and all that thoughtful of protecting you know that's that's more of like yo i'm gonna hold on to this i'm not trying to get more i'm not trying to make more

you know that's like somebody that's like you know i'm gonna i'm gonna let me just go hold on to my money i ain't gonna invest it in trying to make more of it you know i'm just gonna protect it like it's gonna be safe right here yeah i'm not i'm not no i gotta i gotta invest it into into something that's gonna make me more come on

so the fan who hit d hop and uh lamar on the helmet last night has been indefinitely banned from the bills stadium according to adam scheffner yep

keep your hands and your feet to yourself fans

i still say they should have pressed charges on i i know what you're saying debo you ready for him to get locked up if they had did it the fan would have went and pressed some charges if he would have took off if he would have took off on the fan first and just pushed him

yeah he probably he probably

look at dude cardi b

oh yeah try to get her for 20 yeah yeah yeah yeah he would have she would have for sure he would have for sure i didn't even touch her she was just saying some words to her

wasn't even talking about whooping on her either no just asked her what she was doing with some other you know other language to it yeah

well like

i hope i hope this lets fans know your your ass ain't gonna be able to come to no more games.

You put your hands on people.

You can still watch.

You can still watch on TV.

Oh, that's lovely, though.

Debo, I mean, you can't be present.

You're just gonna take.

You can watch on TV, drink, and all that.

Listen, I need more of a penalty, man, because we would get more of a penalty.

I need them to get that same penalty.

Bro, we speak.

We speak about penalties.

We speak about penalties.

My man, he might not even get suspended for spitting.

What?

Your man might not even get suspended for spitting.

Hey, I ain't gonna lie to you, bro.

He might not.

When I think about it, my first start happened because

Joey Porter spit on, I believe, was William Green.

Pregame spit in Cleveland?

Yes, sir.

Yes, sir.

Pregame spit, fight, all that.

Peasy.

Wow, man.

Give it up, Peasy.

Look, Peasy, I appreciate you, baby.

Give me my first start.

That was 2004.

Oh,

yes got me my first start for sure i really appreciate that that was back in the day huh what you that was back in the day we trying to say joe oh my bad oh gadget

i'm just feeling i'm feeling some type of way i felt like i felt like i felt like i felt like an old like no

like a no no no no no no no oh photo yeah that was there that was back before my time yep

before you

okay

okay i ain't gonna crash out you know what what I'm saying?

Hey, what

else got Debo?

Hey, what else I got?

Yeah,

all right, man.

Let me see what I got going on here.

Take me where I need to be.

So, let's get it to uh

Kittles, man.

Kittle's, he uh, reportedly is expected to be sidelined for multiple weeks after suffering a hamstring injury during Sunday's uh win over Seattle, dude.

Um,

that's wild, they're gonna need him, They're going to need him.

I mean, especially now, I don't know.

I hope Christian McCaffrey stays healthy this whole season because that dude is a baller once he's on the field.

But if they lose Kittle, you're going to beat more McCaffrey.

You know what?

He lost two weeks.

He lost two games last year with a hamstring.

You know, these guys that

like

soft tissue injuries, I don't think they understand it's like a

muscle imbalance.

It's either

for him, he's probably, he's doing hamstrings he's probably a guy that's quad dominant if you strengthen his quads and get them closer to the the balance of his hamstrings

yeah to balance of his hamstrings he won't he you know he won't he won't pull quads and you know especially like in the first

you know couple weeks of the season you get a lot of guys with soft tissue injuries and it's just you know either imbalance or it's a

a combination of an imbalance with fatigue because you got these guys like I said you get in the preseason.

Nobody really plays in the preseason.

You know what I'm saying?

You'd be lucky if you get, you know, 10 snaps in the preseason game now.

And you're getting a lot of reps.

Right.

Then you go out there week one, and even the reps, like you said, you get they're not 100 miles an hour.

And then you go out there week one and you tell your body, hey, I need you to give me 40, 50 reps at 100 miles an hour.

For sure, right?

Like, yo, what's going on?

And then they wonder why they get these soft tissue injuries.

And a lot of guys don't train like that anymore.

You You know, like, you know, when I train, people are like, James, why are you sitting up there pushing a, you know, a 2,000 pound sled?

I'm putting that tension on my Achilles.

I'm building up to that.

I'll make sure I'm getting that.

Like, I don't start at 2,000.

I've built up to that through the course of, you know, my training.

So that when it comes time to actually do that and press on it, it's used to it.

So it's not going to just go and, you know, give out on me.

Yep.

They act like you pushing on them linemen, like leaning on them.

That's 2,000.

You're trying to get them up off you, and you want, you know, ah, that's a lot.

That's a lot of weight.

Oh, they're thinking about putting him on

the temporary

where you got to be out at least four weeks.

What is that?

On Kittle?

Yeah, yeah.

I guess Ian Rap report reported that Kittle will likely be sidelined three to five weeks.

Ooh, ooh, you sure he ain't tear that thing?

That's more than just a little strain.

That's definitely more than a strain.

That thing off the bone.

No,

yeah, man.

You said you're trying to get the man all the way out.

No, I'm not trying to get him out, bro.

They gotta get you past that, man.

That thing can't be off the ball.

No, I hope.

I swear, I hope it's not.

I want him to be okay.

I want him to come back as soon as possible.

Oh, no question.

Did you know a few weeks with a little hammy?

Hey, you ever pulled a hammy?

Yes, I did.

I did.

And it was How long?

I was about three weeks.

Three weeks to yeah, three weeks.

Yo, so

I don't think nobody knows this because I've never told anybody.

So when I jumped over LaDania and Thomas

in

San Diego,

that was another spot start I had got like in,

was that 2004?

That might have been the same year.

I pulled my groin

and I didn't miss no time.

i just kept playing through it

devo you are crazy how did i hey i just got soft tissue work i got i got some acupuncture i got some dry needling dude and i just kept going with it bro i tried that i played on the string groin for two weeks but then my joint actually i had to get surgery on both uh both sports hernias both both groins

double sports hernia joint yeah yeah yeah that wasn't that wasn't that doing you must not you must not have been really doing the, doing the, the, the care, the soft tissue work with the activity.

Bro, I was doing all the crazy work until it happened.

And then when it happened, the other one happened.

And then the offseason, but it's my, it was good.

Once I got surgery on them, I was solid until now, until I retired.

Now my left groin acting a little crazy, but I don't need to get from zero to 60 in full speed right now.

So I'm still solid.

Dude, I'm trying to tell you, when you retire, listen, bro, I done had more surgeries since I done got done than I did while I was playing, bro.

No, I'm not letting.

No, bro, that's the car.

That's why I had to get up out of there when I got up out of there.

I started being like, man, if I keep going, I might be a little messed up where I can't run and move the way I want to.

So, I mean, it was right around this time.

That's why I still got my left groin.

My left groin is still not to 100%.

Like, I can't do certain stretches, you know what I'm saying?

Just normal stretches, but I can make it shake.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, if I had to play another year, boy, I might need to get another whole surgery for sure in my growth.

I felt that same way

about my back, dude.

And then, through the process of actually doing this, go sound crazy, dude, doing a food sensitivity allergy test, I ended up finding out like I was severely, severely like allergic to eggs, not to where I would blow up, but to where my body had.

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I did that same test yeah so after i uh you did the all cat yes brother i need pork and pears so after i um after i did that you know my doctor had been telling me for a minute like yo my natural like you need to stop eating this to eight eggs stop eating eggs stop eating the eggs i'm like dude that's the only thing i eat what else i'm gonna eat i'm eating you know a dozen half dozen and a half eggs a day so at that point you know, to get out of bed, dude, you know, after the two back surgeries, I'd be on my, you know, hands and knees, just sitting there warming up and then go hit the shower and then, you know, take off the practice.

And I finally listened and I stopped.

And within like six months, all of a sudden I was popping out of bed, dude.

Like popping out of bed, just going.

And I'm like, energy.

So you're not normally, you wasn't normally a morning person eating all them eggs.

No, no, no.

It wasn't, I had the energy, but it was the.

the inflammatory response on my back that was killing me where I had to warm up and start getting things moving and get that get that inflammation out of there okay okay

oh i'm gonna pop up and rise i'm a three o'clock dude every i get i get up i get up every day well not every day what time do you go to sleep debo what time you go to sleep if you're waking up at three you i'm telling you right now it's it's it's it's it's murdering me with these night games bro like it's murdering me with these now i'm getting like two three hours of sleep hitting the gym coming back through doing everything i need to do

yeah okay okay yeah i just some days you you for well actually i only need probably like i'm a i used to be a four to six guy i'm probably more like a five to six guy but i could function a good week and a half two weeks on you know three to four

so i'm good it's only a couple days and then

i'll get some sleep i'll get some sleep tomorrow so okay okay

i get to sleep in yeah i get to sleep in till five you know that's sleeping in to me so come saturday and sunday i sleep in till five monday through friday is three o'clock and it keeps yeah it keep it keeps going from there brother i'm probably hang on i'm like i'm like six o'clock i'm i wake up at six i got the kids and everything so i'm probably up six o'clock every day

even even even on saturday sunday sunday we got church so you know i'm up i'm up at six o'clock on it but saturday i might try to sleep in but the kids they don't they the alarm clock they gonna wake up like especially on Saturday, they want to act like they won't wake up earlier because they know they don't got school.

So they don't care.

They might wake up at five, they're ready for whatever on Saturday, man.

How your kid is young, huh?

My kids are nine, and with my boy, just turned nine today, and my boy Jet is a six.

Man,

my youngest, that dude will get 16 hours if you let him.

I promise you, dude, he got like my brother kid.

He the sleep king, man.

Like, he will, he, he, this dude will come home from school,

go to sleep,

and won't wake up until he gotta use the bathroom and if he got homework then he

he'll wake up like like five o'clock before he gotta go to school to get it done like this oh he's sleeping sleeping dog this dude sleep sleep oh that's and i then when he don't sleep sleep you could you could you could find him you know three o'clock in the morning up there with the headphones on

what he doing with the headphones on, man.

He playing the damn game on the sticks.

Okay.

Dude, he okay.

Oh, no, he wanted them.

He wanted those.

What's the computer games they play, dude?

They got these.

You know, Fortnite.

I don't know, man.

They got these computers cost the arm and the leg.

Tell me about it.

My boy boy, they just got the iPads right now.

So I'm chilling.

I still don't got no gamer systems for them.

But we got the PS5.

We just do the 2K, you know what I'm saying?

And the Madden.

Maybe a little FIFA.

Okay.

You know what I'm saying?

None of the crazy games yet.

Gran Turismo, maybe.

You know what I'm saying?

Car Games.

My boy Joey's.

What's Gran Turismo, dude?

Grant Turismo, bro.

We got the racing car simulator game with like the driver and the gas pedal and the shifters.

Grand.

It's a whole setup?

It's a whole setup.

You can get a whole setup.

I got a whole page.

Like, I'm riding a NASCAR.

Yeah, you go out to, you go out to show me.

I'm going to show you that.

I'm a driver.

You know what I'm saying?

I got my CDLs.

You know what I'm saying?

If y'all need somebody out there, I got passenger endorsement ready.

So I'm a Class B driver.

I could drive school buses.

I was thinking about driving the school buses.

You know what I'm saying?

Go ahead and tell them kids, sit your ass on down now.

You probably be scared to hell you with my bus driver.

Hey, listen, for real, though, this is what I was thinking about doing.

I don't even know if they would have let me, but

I wanted to go and be the driver like of one of my son's buses like one time and like had him had me be right there if you got your license if you got the cdl

yeah i passed your endorsement all that man goes that talk to the bus driver here sub you in boom you submit he'll sub you right in boom hold it down

I did all that like in college, dude.

I got my CDLs in college.

Oh, that's smooth.

Yeah,

I was a bus driver before, you know, I had set out.

What I didn't sit out, I had to, I didn't have the grades to be eligible.

I was a prop 48, so you know, how you, well, I don't even know if y'all had prop then.

You're a little younger than me, so yeah, you when you propped, you couldn't do nothing with the, you couldn't do nothing with the team.

They didn't pay for your education or nothing.

You just went to school.

Oh, okay.

And then I messed that up.

So now I had to pay for another year.

And then the coaches changed, bro.

Yeah.

Thank you.

I ended up walking on at Kent State with my good man, Josh Cribs, at quarterback.

Yes, sir.

Well, he came in my senior year.

Josh, Josh, like younger than me.

Okay, Debo, you just putting years on yourself.

Right.

You're a grown man, Debo.

You don't care.

You look, you look.

I told her, I thought, I thought you was, I thought you was like 42.

Nah, nah, bro.

I'm closer to 50 than I am to 40.

That's what I'm saying.

Closer to my.

I'm 36.

Closer to what you started there huh closer closer to my dad's age debo i'm not gonna lie i think you might be a little bit closer to my dad age than me

how old is your dad 56.

how old are you 36.

Yeah, I think you might be nine years.

I think you might be closer to my dad.

Hey, man, you need to watch how you talk to your elders.

that's why I've been talking to you.

That's why I've been talking to you with respect.

Show some respect for I call your daddy and send him gone head over there and whip your ass, boy.

Oh, dude, you're stupid.

You stupid.

Oh, man.

No, but for real, though, you is a little closer to pops than me, probably just by one year.

But look, all right, but but knew your dad turned 57 this year?

He, no, he just turned 56 this year.

Do you turn?

I turned 37.

When?

April 14th.

All right.

I ain't tripping.

All right.

Look, Debo.

So, yeah, you're closer to my dad than me.

We got that established.

Let's talk about Russell Wilson.

Hey, he's still starting.

Definitely.

He's still starting.

But.

Like, you know, like you were saying,

he getting, he's getting, he another week.

He getting, he getting close to, you know, if he don't, if he don't do something, he getting close to going ahead and

you're going to be sitting back there.

But like you said, Odevo, they don't want to throw out the new man and just get him beat up because Russell Wilson was running for his life out there.

So we don't want to throw out the new guy, Jackson, Dart.

Who we got?

We don't want to throw a new quarterback out there and then he just starts getting hit just like Russell was.

So we want to put Russell out there, the vet, you know what I'm saying?

So he can try to

just be able to get the line blocking for him.

Because you don't, no matter who's back there, if you switch out Russell and put the other guy, he's going to keep getting hit.

So at the same time,

you don't want to put your rookie quarterback out there in a situation where you know he's not in a position to win and at least not this early.

It's only game two.

Like let's see what Russell can do with this offense build.

Try to get Malik neighbors into the game.

You know what you got there.

But protecting the quarterback is thing one and Russell's a vet, so I wouldn't throw my young dude out there to be getting hit upside the head this early yet.

You know, you know, like Russ, even, you know, when he was with the Stillers last year, you know, he gets a, you know, when he gets a little unsure,

he'd rather throw it closer to it being out than it being in, especially, you know, when you got those,

you know, defenders close to him and it's like a, you know, one of those sideline throws.

Yeah, I, yeah, I didn't

especially like as it got deeper into the season i i started i started noticing that or at least that was my view of it you know

what what would you uh what was your view of it did you man my

I like the way, I mean, the one thing that Brussel was doing that I did kind of like, at least he was giving the receivers opportunities.

I mean, just throw that, he threw some good fade balls to George when he was there.

And that's what.

Yeah, but it was some that just like, yo, you didn't even give him my opportunity.

It's just totally out of bounds.

I know, I know, I know.

So, I mean, that was the thing.

I mean, normally he though, normally that's his best, that's his best pass he throws is the go ball, and he gives the dudes ops.

But I don't know, he was throwing them out of bounds sometimes.

It just didn't look, it didn't look Russell.

Like, hopefully, he doesn't do that.

Like, I saw in this game, it didn't look Russell.

Like, I ain't gonna, I ain't like I said, Russell was a good dude, but Russell's been looking Russell, the Russell that we're looking at.

If he's been looking like that, what, since Denver,

yeah,

but I just like, like I said, too, though, he didn't look too like this is the, how you going to say to man, if you don't have no time to throw the ball, how you going to grade a man?

Hey, like, you.

No time to throw the ball.

Look at Aaron Rodgers.

He was getting that thing out of there.

Very little time to throw the ball.

He made this decision.

He made decisive decisions.

He got the ball out when he needed to.

You'll play calling.

Play calling.

Yeah.

Put our people in a position to win.

Can we give Russell some options where he can get it out faster?

We got deep deep routes.

Why would you

is he is he not getting it out faster or is he just holding on to it for fear of it being a pick because he's unsure?

Could be both.

Could be both.

There's two ways to skin a cat.

That's that's for sure.

But I mean,

to say, I mean, he's a veteran quarterback.

Like,

if nothing else, you should be able to just see it.

Think and dump.

Yeah.

But I think right now going to at least they're going to keep him in there, give him another shot to do better before they put dart in there.

Because if they put dart in there right now,

I don't, I don't, I don't, I'm going to be honest, dude, I don't see him putting dart in there until

like they done, they done went at least.

I'm with you, like three, four deep.

Like, you can't,

like you said, he's, he's being pressured.

Your, your rookie quarterback is not going to make more decisive decisions unless he is, you know, actually

decision maker, can see it better, is more decisive with it.

But, you know, you start getting into games where you got these deep coordinators, you get this rookie in here, and what's the first thing they do?

You start throwing everything at, you know, everything in the kitchen sink to confuse them.

You know, you disguise it.

You know, you're going to do different things.

Like when, you know, Coach LeBeau, we would play a rookie quarterback, dude.

Oh, our disguise game is on point and you're trying to confuse him, you know, every which way

no i get that i get that but at the same i mean jackson dart

he he could he could be better like he didn't look he didn't look bad i mean obviously it's the preseason but he was throwing the ball he's getting it out of his hands fast uh they picked him before he was a hot he was what was it first what round did dart go in

was it first round i think it might have been the first round yeah so he was definitely went before shador so they've seen something in him um yeah but i just not too big on the Giants, so it's kind of like, I mean, Dart's back there, Wilson's back there.

It's going, hopefully, they hopefully they is the head coach new in

New York and Giants.

Is it Dabo Brian

Coach?

Dabo.

I don't know, I don't know him by he was my he was a coach for me.

I think he was an offensive coordinator for the Browns when I was there in Cleveland.

Yep,

so he he he drafted.

well, yeah, obviously he drafted Dart.

Listen, at some point, everybody's going to start having to think about, you know, making sure

they protecting their job and the decisions that they made in drafting this person.

The first rounder is supposed to come in and contribute to the team that year, right?

That's why you put them first.

I think quarterbacks are a little tricky.

I understand.

Not in any other position besides the quarterback.

They're supposed to be instant, starter, baller.

And the quarterback, even if he's not ready, you're projecting if you draft him in the first round that he's going to be a franchise quarterback.

That's what I'm expecting.

If I draft a quarterback in the first round,

I don't know.

I'm thinking, I think he might get a

crash course, so to speak.

Yeah, it might have to happen for sure.

Because

if Russell keeps getting hit like this, like they was,

I was looking on Instagram.

I'm going to pull up some clips when they showed, like, there's like, oh, they want dark to start because nobody just had free runs at him a couple of times.

Okay.

I don't like it.

Yo,

before we go out of here, we got our first

super chat, Joe.

What super chat?

Big old head donate

bag on head donated $5 and said,

James, I was at the Dolphins game in 2007.

The field was horrible.

I think John Beck played quarterback for Miami.

Score was three to nothing.

Still is right.

That sounds right.

That does sound right.

That good man.

There we go.

What's his name?

I think that was

bag on head donated.

That's that's just, I guess that must be his

chat name.

His chat name is just bag on head.

Why are you a bag on head, man?

You a Browns fan?

Oh,

I hope I hope shots fired.

You can't call me old and think I ain't gonna shoot back.

Can't call me old and think I ain't gonna shoot back.

No, no, no.

That's my mama's son.

You're a completely ton.

We'll play that.

Man,

John donated $2 and said, fellas, Stillers just shot

Julian,

Java Peppers.

No, they didn't, did they?

Jabril Peppers, they signed him.

Are you serious?

That's nice.

I played with Jabril in Cleveland when he got drafted there.

That's a football player.

Yeah, but where did he play?

That's the big thing.

Like, where he don't matter.

I mean, like,

we could have him at safety.

We could have him at safety or slot nickel or yeah either strong whatever whatever opposite where jalen's at slide him down he could blitz nickel back or safety nickel safety

nickel safety for sure nickel safety

i say safety

i don't know about nickel only reason i say nickel just he's gonna be he can cover tight ends and he can blitz he's a tackler like the way we use mike hilton like stillers use jabril like mike hilton that man i'm not that that would be nice.

He's tackling, bro.

That's the one thing.

Like, we need some people that's in that joint filling up some of these holes.

Hey, man, you know, bag on head, he's a Dolphins fan, bro.

And he donated, bro.

He donated five, dude.

We can't, you know.

I mean, everybody got their faults, you know.

I mean,

I'm here for it.

Yeah.

Yeah, it's okay.

You know what I'm saying?

Appreciate it.

I appreciate the information, though.

I think that was a three-nothing game,

or was it three to six?

I got one.

I got somebody got to check that out.

I got somebody got to check that out.

But I got one.

I got something I want to talk about.

Oh, hold on.

What time we got?

Oh, it's 12:01.

Keep going.

I got, I got it.

I got it.

Last one.

NBA MVP Shane Goodis Alexander says that there's no way he could play in the NFL.

Which NBA players do you think could play in the NFL or and vice versa?

Who you think, James?

You know what, man?

I would want to say that somebody could,

but they're so tall, man, you're gonna get cut down.

Only reason why I'm saying is like, I think, so say, but but say, six, how tall is the how tall was uh Jimmy Graham

tight end when he was playing for the Saints?

He was like six, seven,

six, six, okay, seven.

Okay, so I'm looking at you put braun at tight end at 6'8 260.

I don't know.

Like, you know what I'm saying?

Megatron was 6'5, 250.

Like, and then just depending on,

I think Braun could, I think Braun could do it for show.

I think even, I think maybe Anthony Edwards might be able to do it and play safety or something because I just like his aggressiveness.

If Derrick Rose played football, I think Derrick Rose might have been able to do it.

I know AI would have been able to do it.

Yeah, he did it.

He did it he was number one in both he could have just went either way and he went the right way though yeah and then with basketball who do i see that could play in the nba that plays in the nfl

maybe

see that see that that's gonna be the tough part because we're gonna need like a

they're they're tall so we're gonna need somebody that's like a wire like somebody like can like can Calvin play shooting guard you know what i'm saying six five 250 but then he has to be good at basketball Hey, it's probably a quarterback.

It's going to be a quarterback.

To run the one?

I don't know what they go run, but it's going to have to be a quarterback because these quarterbacks actually be good at shooting the ball.

I'm just telling you, like,

you ever seen Ben play basketball?

Yeah, he can shoot.

He got a tray ball.

Yeah, he can actually shoot.

He got tray ball.

Yeah.

And you know who else, dude?

I take it back.

Kiesel, dude.

Brett Kiesel, young Brett Kiesel.

Man, I think Brett Kiesel was a McDonald's all-american back in the day in high school torell pryor

okay

torell pryor

yeah you know what i ain't gonna lie i'm gonna throw i ain't gonna throw my you know what nope nope you're gonna throw yourself in there i'm gonna throw my hat in the bucket no no don't do that yeah bro you know who i'm garter you know what look at i'm i'm i'm gonna be out that thing like hey man we want to thank y'all guys for joining us because you're about to sit here and tell up some lies man thank you guys for joining us on this episode of debo and joe man hit the like button and subscribe don't want to miss nothing man

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