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Joining us now is Fernando Vargas Jr. and and his dad.
Fernando, how are you doing? Which one? Which one? Which one is it? Daddy?

You got Junior, you got Amado, you got my brothers over here. What's going on? Three boys here.
What the hell?

We'll start with you, Dad.

We got Canelo, we got Crawford. We got a guy that's moving up basically three weight classes.
He only fought one fight at 54.

So basically, he's jumping three weight classes, going to Canelo, the big dog, the undisputed 168 super middleweight, undisputed king.

What are your expectations of this fight, and how does Crawford solve this puzzle? I love

both of them.

Crawford, we're very cordial with one another.

Whenever we see each other, we hug. He's a good dude.

Same way of Canelo, but there's weight classes for a reason.

Everybody keeps saying that. And it's the truth.
There's weight classes for a reason, man. And I'm not saying that he's not going to have success early.
Right.

Because I think he's going to have success success early. But this is 36 minutes, Buster.
36 minutes of a fight, of a world championship fight.

I don't know if he's going to be able to keep Canelo off him. I don't know.
That's what, Tarva, we just had Tarver. Tarber says that if he can't keep Canelo off him,

it's going to be hard for him to beat him because

Canelo will press him. And he said, Tarva, Antonio also said, the body shots.
He said, the body takes a lot of your conditioning. Absolutely.
And Canelo is is going to try to work the body early.

Let's just say for the sake of argument, you're fighting Canelo.

How would you go to try to solve that puzzle? Well, look, us Mexicans are known for body shots. Yes.
We're known.

We're born and they slap us in the butt and then we hit the doctor with a left body shot. Us Mexicans go to the body like we killed.
Till they'll fail.

We're killers. I'm telling you.

my own our whole life. We know about those body shots.
Chavez,

killing people to the body, and we'll knock them out.

I just feel that those body shots are going to be

too much. Yeah.
Too much, man. You know what? When I think about it, Fernando, question.
If you're bud, understanding their weight classes for a reason. Skills pay the bills.
Yeah.

Fighting styles make fights. Do you think Bud has the type of fighting style? Not Sandy Floyd Mayweather.

Does he have the type of fighting style, the type of footwork, the type of offense and defense, where his defense can become his offense to be able to survive a

36-minute fight? I believe so.

You know, he started the whole fight with Spence as a South Paul. Yes.
So for a South Paul for another South Paul, it's like, oh, okay.

So look, I think Crawford is one of the best fighters of our generation.

You know, skill-wise, he could compete in any generation. But I just feel, like my dad said, you know, right on the money, I think the weight's going to be a little too much in the later rounds.

I see Crawford having early success,

landing shots on Canelo, maybe it being one-sided. Yes.
And then I do end up seeing Canelo, you know, picking him apart in the later rounds.

Even if his conditioning is on point, you still think Canelo will be able to pick him apart in the later rounds? Look, Crawford, if he fights a perfect fight,

he could beat a Canelo Alvarez.

He has the skills to be able to, you know, get fighters frustrated.

He had a layoff, though. I think he had like a year layoff.
Yes. You know, that plays a little factor as well.
So we're just going to have to see what Crawford and what Canelo we get Saturday.

Okay.

I look at Bud, and you look at, and I say Canelo. Canelo probably walks around at 195, 200.
Easy.

He got no neck too, OG. He has, he's like this.

And I see him. I see him doing those neck exercises.
Neck exercises. As a matter of fact, y'all remind me.

We did a lot of neck exercises this camp, too.

I had him do a lot of the

neck exercises if we needed it, and

we're good to go. So,

and I'm looking at him, is that he mentioned that

Crawford, South Paul, but he got dynamite in his right hand. He's a natural southpaw.
Yes. But he can fight Orthodox.
Very few people. But

has Canelo fought anybody other than Floyd that can put punches together like Crawford? No. Nope.
I don't think so.

I think Crawford, he has that wild card. He has that it factor where it's like, okay, Crawford can't.
I'm gonna be real with you.

When this fight first got caught up, I thought it was like a like, what? Canelo's too big. Canelo all the way.

As it's getting closer, as Bud's physique is not like flabby and you see him built, I'm like, hold on.

Bud has everything to gain. I think there's more pressure on Canelo.

If he wins, it's like

Crawford's two-way classes. I mean, he was trying to achieve greatness.
But if Crawford wins, Crawford gets all the praise of being the all-time great for this generation.

And I thought, I think Crawford, because Crawford was having the strip down to 47, Crawford probably walks around naturally at 85, 90.

So now he doesn't have to come. You drop that extra 20 pounds that he would normally get to have to go to 47.
Now he can stop it at 68.

So how if you were to say, let's just say three months after a fight,

three, four months after a fight, how much you think Bud weighed when he was fighting at 147? How much do you think he weighed? Yeah, about 60, 68.

You think that's that's I think Bud was bigger than that. I think Bud hold on, Bud, but brothers don't put on as much weight as next year.
We're walking around like what they're doing.

You guys don't beat me. You guys got a cap.
You already know, like, no, no, you hate me. I hate this metabolism.
You ain't like that. We envy your metabolism.

We look at food and we already Damn it, we already become wheat.

You guys eat whatever you guys want. You see what Canelo rehydrates.

Canelo coming in to fight. Canelo might be 185, 190 night in the fight.

When he refueled? Yeah, guaranteed. Oh, absolutely.
He's going to be 190. He's going to be easy.

Easy. Yep, for sure.
For sure. Yeah.
So, Fernando, this Saturday,

you're going up against Callum Walsh. I'm sure, do you watch much film

before a fight? Do you watch film on boxes like we do when it comes to football? You watch your opponents so you can get their tendencies, what they like to do, see what you can find,

pick things that you might see that works on them when they fight other fighters. Do you guys do that? Absolutely.
You know, he said he didn't do his due diligence and watch film or tape.

That's on you, right? You know what I mean?

I have a legend, father, where we took this fight serious. I mean, I've had over a two-month camp.
I had way more time than needed for this guy. Of course, I studied tape on him.
He's a great fighter.

You know, he has the backing of Freddy Roach. And when I do beat him, I want my flowers.
Not because of daddy, not because they've been cherry-picking this way.

God made this moment for me, and I'm going to show the world what I'm about. So when you do watch film on a Callum Walsh, what challenges does he present when it comes to fighting in the ring?

If there are any. I got to be smart early.
You know,

he has the power, and I have the power to end things early. So I know for the first couple rounds, I got to be in there super smart, nice, tight guard.
And without going too much into my game plan,

I just know that Callum is not a better fighter than me. He wants to talk about the experience, and I find people in Russia, and that's amateurs.
That's amateurs, bro. So

the best of Cubans

haven't converted as the best of pros.

And I'm

extremely motivated for this fight. And the casinos have me as the underdog.
I'm not worried about it, baby. You can never count Vargas out.

And I'm just going to show the world, you know, Dana White made a big mistake, bro.

He did. Come on.

Being a dad, being a professional fighter yourself, is this the profession you wanted your kids to go to? No.

No,

he had college paid for. He didn't want me to do it.
Joe, just check this out.

I would put these guys in Pop Werner basketball.

I would be one of the best.

Pop Warner? Yeah.

Each of them.

If they didn't make three touchdowns a game, it wasn't a game.

Athletic, basketball, he's a hooper. Didn't play football like him, but you know what I'm saying?

He's a hooper, and

I wanted my kids not to fight. None of them.

But my confidential Frankie Baby says it like this, Champ, you don't want your kids to fight? I go, no.

And he goes, okay, who's going to tell your kids they can't be like their dad? He says, I'm not going to tell them.

And we still can't, though. You know, my dad, my dad to me you know he's Superman man my dad

I don't know if I could save it like this but you know my dad had the courage to fight anyone in any given night yeah you don't see that with fighters no more like win loser draw you knew that my dad was coming to fight he was either gonna fight you in the weigh-ins or win-loser draw he I mean Vargas is gonna give you a great fight and that's what this generation is missing is

putting your records on the line and just giving fight fans great fights. Why are the fighters in today's era scared to take chances? I think the Floyd generation kind of affected us a little bit.

Everybody wants to be Floyd, have Floyd money. Everybody said that.
Everybody wants Floyd money.

Hey, pretty boy Floyd,

that guy was different. Diego Corrales, Arturo Gotti, moving up in weight.
I mean, my dad was in the Olympics with him.

It's just, it's a different time now. You know, now we got the Jake Paul's.
And, you know, you got a cute little left hook, you got a nice smile, now you're marketable. So it's just

killers like my dad, you know,

is just very different. You know, you had to really be a dog back in my dad's day to be champion.
The 154-pound division of my dad's day, Trinidad, Oscars, Mosley, my dad, Winky,

remember that Winky fight? Yeah, come on, dad went and balled that fight. I was like, okay, but then I go,

Vernon Forge.

Rest in peace. Rest in peace, Bernard.

Yep.

You said something very interesting. You said under the oak

is that people have attached greatness to the O. Yes.
Is that do we not, because Sugar Ray doesn't have an O, is he not great? Sugar Ray Robinson is one of the best fighters ever. Sugar Ray Leonard.

Sugar Ray Robinson. Sugar Ray Robinson, Sugar Ray Leonard, one of the best fighters that ever did.
Yep. But now, guys, like, man, I don't want to, if you got an O and I got an O,

I ain't trying to risk my O. Yeah.

I want to keep my O intact. I don't know what

times we're living in. Yeah.
You know what I mean? But, you know,

when I was champion,

shit, I wanted to fight the best because I'm the best. You know, shit, I've been fighting world champions, Julio Cook Campus, Juan Marquez, Winky Wright, Acuarte, Javier Castillo,

and the four Hunter Famous and world champions that beat me to the Wakaway said it was easy because I was in their ass too. Yeah,

but it's like even in my dad's losses, I tell my dad all the time, dad, the Trinidad fight, you know how much,

you know how much courage you showed that night? Yeah. Oscar, you almost had him out of there early.
Like, some of my dad's losses were his biggest wins. And that's what boxing's missing nowadays.

And we need more of that. Yeah.
People tell me that. People tell me that your wins are like losses.
Your losses are like wins. I go, really?

Why? What do you mean? They go, you gave everything, bro. You were in the fight, too.
You were fucking these fools up, too. Yeah.
But, you know, it happens. I go.

Thank you.

But you was willing to fight. Always.
You was willing to fight. You didn't duck anybody.
Always. And

guys didn't duck. It seems like now it's like, bro, y'all do the best.
Fight. I think that's why UFC has gotten so much attention.
Yeah. Dana ain't letting you duck nobody.
No, no.

He's like, I'm putting up the money. I got Turkey.
I got my man Turkey here. That's good.
Like, y'all got to fight. So

fight. Yeah.

And that's what we want to see. We shouldn't have to go years.

That a fight create buzz like this when it's created. Correct.
We used to have this all. We have two or three of these.
Yeah.

You got to go two, three years before you have a fight that, man, people talk about. Right.

That's just the times we're living in. Yeah.
Social media time.

Yeah, I mean,

I didn't know who the L Jake Paul was until I saw him on social media. Right, right, right.
300 million followers. I don't know what happened.

And you were popping before I think Blackspace was out barely. I was popping.

MySpace.

But I'm saying, like, social media wasn't even out. And it was just.
Nah, nah, nah. It was crazy.
It was different.

Well, let me ask you this: how different would it have been if you'd have had social media, media, if you had the internet, you had IG, you had TikTok, you had social media.

And then people tell me like this:

you were huge in those times, and you didn't even have social media.

People remember me still to this day, and I have social media back then. But guess what? Now it's a social media era, which is great.
You know, it gives people an opportunity to make more money

if they got that following. Right.
Yeah.

This fight,

does it go to distance? Somebody getting, somebody, somebody, somebody go take the touch the canvas?

I think

that,

see, everybody thinks that Junior is a facade.

We have, we fight fighters that we need to fight to build our records. But guess what?

The last fight that he fought against against

him? It's in Korea. He fought.

He fought Tennebec, Mongia, and he knocked them out.

Now, like I said, Junior hit hard as a little kid. And to this day, they think it's a facade.
But guess what? This is going to be his coming out party.

And everybody's going to be like, Junior's a real deal. But it's like,

everyone in this fight's praising my power, praising his power. I'm going to show I could box, I could counter punch.
Like, it's not just power in there.

Like, I want to show that I'm a complete fighter. And when they say 154-pound division, like, after this, of course, I'm not overlooking Callum, but my eyes are on Fedora.
My eyes are on Virgil.

Those are the fights that excite me. I want that.
I want glory for myself. Virgil Ortiz.
Yeah, you know. Let's go.

Look, I mean, if not, why would I be in this sport? Right, right. Just dad give me fights? Nah, I'm in here, and I really want to be taken serious, you know.

And I want to show that this junior could compete with the highest level. I like it.
I like it. How difficult was it to coach, knowing what you accomplished, how difficult was it to coach a kid?

It wasn't difficult.

I

Because that's a lot of pressure. You're the world champion.
No, no, no. It was difficult.
Like, I became a, I'm going to be honest with you guys. I became a trainer because of Emiliano, my third son.

Okay. He, one day, we're, I took him to some amateur fights, and he was just

dumbfounded.

Papa, you can say that, Daddy, I want to do that.

You don't want to do that.

I want to do that.

You don't want to do that.

Papa, you can say that.

You don't want to do that. And then I go, then I go, then

I go, okay, if you tell me after school to take you to the boxing gym, I'll take you to the boxing gym. I picked him up.
The first thing that came out of his mouth was like,

you take me to the boxing gym? What am I going to tell him? No? Right. And so I became a trainer and you're looking at me, I know,

killer, just like his daddy. You know, killer, just like his daddy.
I'm out of here. What if Floyd seniors say, Dad? You're not going to be no good.
You ain't going to be no good.

if you're not with your daddy.

I don't need a Roger Bayweather. I got my dad right there to the top, to the top, to the top.

I like it. I like it.
I love it.

My brother.

Bargains. Senior.
Thank you. Jungus Jr.
Thank you so much. Don't forget the junior.
Yeah.

But when I said it, this is what people go, Fernando.

He goes, motherfucking bargains. They go, don't forget the motherfucker.

Fernando.

Bofo.

Bargainer. Senior.
Fernando. Bofo.
Bargain. Junior.
Yeah. Thank you, man.
Absolutely. Thank you.
Thank you, bro. Oh, man.
It's been amazing, man. It's to see,

you know, I haven't been around a whole lot, you know, a whole lot of fighters in this type of environment. Obviously, you know,

met a few guys, but to sit here and to hear them talk about how they think this fight is going to break down, I guess, you know. We do what we do, we talk about, we talk about, we talk about football.

Yeah.

And we talk about how this thing, we think this thing is going to play out because we look at the offense we look at the defense we look at the skill sets of both sides like okay we think it's gonna be like this but to hear them you know hey

Even Bud might come out and take the rounds early, but can he sustain it at that weight in the later rounds, knowing that Canelo is going to take some middle of the rounds off, X, Y, and Z.

So it's interesting to see how

this cat and mouse game, how this thing actually is going to play out. If you look at the routine and the way Canelo fights, he always starts slow.

He always starts slow.

He doesn't start pressuring you until maybe round three, four, five, and he puts that pressure on.

Then, for some reason, and he does it every fight, he takes off rounds six, seven, and eight, and then pours it back on for the remainder of the fight.

He does the same thing every fight, regardless of who he's fighting. So, I think Bud has a good chance to take an early lead on the scorecard in the early rounds.
But boy,

once Canelo turns it up and starts coming forward,

it's a different ball game. This is going to be very interesting.
Bud says he's ready.

He's taken his time and put the weight on. This was not a rush job.

And like I said, he doesn't have to strip down. He doesn't have to take meat off the bone in order for him to make that 147.

Because as we get older, it's harder and harder to keep that weight down. Bad please.

Get it off for you.

Especially once you put it on. And like I said, we were talking about Floyd, but Florida is a smaller man.
And so Floyd is not 170-pound man. Floyd is not 160-pound man.

Florida is about 150 to 155-pound man. So you're asking him to take two to five pounds off and be at weight.

So when he comes in, when he comes in, I bet when Floyd would refuel, Floyd probably weighed 140, 149, 150 and a half.

So that's why it was nothing for him. He's like, man, I got to get to go to 154.
Well, hell, he walked around at 155. All he had to do was drop a half a pound with you.

That's it. So he doesn't have to do this crazy stuff and take all that weight off him and do all this crazy stuff.
He doesn't have to do that.

Look, I think Bud, you know, Vargas Jr. said he thinks Bud would walk around at 75.
I think Bud probably walks around at 85. Yeah.

But Canelo definitely walks around at 200, 95 to 200. Big boy.
Yes. He was telling Mexican to my bad ass,

y'all don't gain no weight.

I look at food,

it Mexican fighters gain weight. So it's going to be very interesting to see.

I'm excited. How long

Or will we notice the conditioning factor because at some point in time I mean, you know, and like we said Ojo sparring is one thing training camp is one thing, but now you fighting in there with a guy that's really trying to take your hair

Because when you spar you got headgear

Different ball game It's a whole different ballgame. So I'm anxious to see this thing how this thing really shapes out.
Oh, yeah

What you thinking? I'm excited. I'm pulling for bud.

I'm pulling for bud. I understand the sweet science, though.
I understand there are weight classes for a reason. But I'm pulling for Bud

to cement himself in history and do something that not many have done.

The willingness to take a chance

and making history is commendable.

It is. It is.
Oh, for sure. I can't wait.
I can't wait. I'm excited.

I hope he executes his game plan.

I hope he does.

I'm pulling for for him and sometimes with your look

you can execute perfect and still not be perfect yeah might not be enough your perfect might not be enough on that night

especially with them damn judges out here but don't get me started them judges out here in Vegas

I think what you call him I think

can bud clip him can but can can can bud hurt Canelo

clip him yes hurt him

he wasn't even even hurt with Triple G.

I think, because

he wasn't hurt with Bavar.

You remember the movie Predator? Yeah.

Arnold Swarzen, with Arnold Swarthy,

the Predator. And he saw that green stuff on the leaves.
He said, if he'll bleed, we can kill him. Yeah.

Remember that part. Remember that part.

Remember that part. That's the one with

the one from Rocky. Yeah.
Actually. At Carl Weather.
At Carl Weathers. Yeah.
At Carl Weathers. When

that's the thing, Bud's going to have to be able to hurt him

to see that he can beat him. He can do it.

Anything to add a little bit more confidence. Because

it's hard to

a guy that size.

And look, Bud is like the fight's going to play out how it's going to play out.

But

it's hard for me to see a scenario where Bud thinks he could outpoint him.

It's going to be difficult.

I've seen one person

outpoint Canelo.

And that was Mayweather.

But that wasn't close.

That was Mayweather. Yeah.

When he fought Babal, that was overpowering strength. Yeah, yeah.
You just overpowered. You're fighting a bigger man.
You're fighting a more powerful man. So that's why it looked like

overwhelmed. If Babal is going to the ring at once, if I had held he'd weighed 210, 215.
Probably. He's coming down from 210, 215.
Probably.

But at the end of the day, that's what it comes down. It comes down to, look, we know Bud is skilled.
We know Bud will fight. Bud will not retreat.

And basically,

in order for him to, if he feels that he's not going to run, that's not in his DNA. But you got to be smart.

It's not a time for ego. This is not a time for pride.

It's about IQ, ring IQ, being smart, engaging when necessary, setting traps, doing whatever you need to do to fight smart and win that fight by decision or

everybody got a punch's chance. Yeah.

I don't think you can get him out of there with one punch, but I think you can put punches together. No, no, no, no.
And it has to be something he doesn't even realize is coming. No.

And that's the thing. That's what makes Bud dangerous.

Bud is a natural lefty, but he has power in the right. And so he can fight out of the southball stance.
He can fight out the orthopedic stance.

And it's going to be very, very interesting to see this thing.

Jim, you know, Jim said this would be Holy Field Tyson. Yeah.

Because you got two accomplished guys, very accomplished.

Leon Spinks, when he beat Muhammad Ali, Spinks wasn't accomplished. Now, he was an Olympic gold medalist.
He won the 70s. He and his brother, along with...

Sugar Ray, and I think Davis won the gold medal in 76 in Montreal.

And so he hadn't had a whole lot of fights when he beat Muhammad Ali. So he wasn't accomplished.
He wasn't a champion boxer like Canelo. He wasn't a champion boxer like Bud.

Bud is a two, in the four-bud era, he's the only, he's the first man to be undisputed in two weight classes.

And we know what Canelo is.

He's the undisputed super middleweight. So we got two very accomplished fighters, but we got a guy that moved up basically three weight classes.
And if he were to beat him.

You heard Tarvin say he's immediately calling him the GOAT no matter what. You would have to.
I think it would be bigger than

Holyfield Tyson. For the simple fact, Holyfield didn't move up.
Holyfield was already fighting at the heavyweight division. He had already fought Reddy Bow.
He had already fought George Foreman.

He had already fought guys at that heavy Michael Moore. So he had already fought guys at that point.

That Foreman fight. Apparently, his first fight at 168 is against Canelo.
Is that boy? He fights this boy.

Yes, he jumped, he pole vaulted 160.

He didn't stop at 160. He went to 68 and basically just had one fight at 54 when he fought the best of his career at 47 or below.

So

this would be huge. This would be huge.
And, you know,

Roy beating Ruiz, I remember it. Yeah.

But nobody thought Ruiz was a great heavyweight. Well, he wasn't as decorated either.
No. No.
But the fact that Roy was able to go up to heavyweight and do it, and that's, again,

styles make fights. Yes.
And Roy had the style and the skill to be able to go to heavyweight and do just that. Right.

And the thing is, is that Roy had to gain weight. Roy, I mean, Roy was fighting at 68, so you know, to go up to make 193.
Now, Roy probably walks around, probably walking around at probably 180.

Yeah, back then. Yeah.

Supremely skilled. I mean, Roy had elite defense, Roy had skill.
Roy had that left. Fastest hands.
Yeah, man.

Body. I mean, Roy could do it all.
Roy literally could do it all.

He had Mayweather skills. He had elite defense.

And

he had power.

What a matchup we got, y'all. This is that classic HBCU vibe.
Non-stop action. The band is rocking and the crowd.
Let's chance echo. Drumbeat.
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Game like this, yeah, it calls for an ice-cold Coca-Cola.

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Mmm, yeah. That taste always hits the right note, just like a band at halftime.

And just like that, we're back at it. Passionate fans, school colors everywhere, and an ice-cold Coca-Cola? That's a winning combo.
No matter the sport, no matter the yard, everybody knows.

Fan work is thirsty work. So grab a Coca-Cola and keep that HBCU pride going.

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Crazy power.

What's up, what's up? What's up, bro?

You skinny, bro.

What's up, Dre? You good?

You felt that when you hugged me. It ain't enough there.
But these hands here, man. Where y'all want them? Right there, right there.
Right there. You nervous?

You handed them. Yeah.
Chad asked him he nervous. It ain't enough there, Chad.

Chad, it ain't enough there, man.

I don't mean nothing. I'm 12-5.
Andre Ward joins the show. Drake,

it's been a long time since we had this kind of buzz about a fight. Yeah.

We got buzz. We got a guy that's basically pole balled in three weight glasses to take on the ultimate challenge.
And I don't think we have enough of those guys willing to take that challenge.

Come on, come on, bro. Yeah, yeah, come on, bro.
Royal We'll know.

Yeah.

What's

Pitcher

That's that basketball man that ain't boxing that basketball

I Just told it's been a while Roy since we had a fight right that generate this kind of buzz right we got a guy that basically pole balled in three way classes He had one fight at 54 he pole balled at 60 he landed at 68 to fight the all take the ultimate challenge and I was telling Dre, I don't think we got enough of guys in this sports that's willing to take the challenge because everybody wants to keep this.

They want to keep stay perfect.

And everybody wants to be Floyd Mayweather. I said, even if you end your career and you ain't got no losses, people are not going to look at you like they look at Floyd Mayweather.

So stop trying to be Floyd and take on challenges like in the 80s when the four horsemen. The 70s, the heavyweight fought everybody.
You didn't dunk nobody. Hagler fought Hearns.
Hearns fought Duran.

Durant fought Blanner.

in the heavyweight, Ali fought Foreman, Foreman fought Fraser, fought Ken Norton, fought Ron Lyle. Damn, Ernie Shakespeare.
Go ahead and take that, Roy. Take that one, take it.
What he said?

What he said? He's saying a lot. No, what he's saying, though.

What he said about your boy? Which one? I ain't saying nothing. Anyways, I'm saying you like.

Why they dig it on me today?

Now you about to do it. Why are they digging on me today?

What he said is, people don't care enough no more about being the GOAT or being the best. You understand me? You got to think about it.

When you played football, you didn't want no other top-notch wide receiver on the other side.

You didn't want nobody else top-notch on your team in your position. You wanted to be the man at that.

Right? When I thought, I didn't want nobody else to come close to what I was doing because I wanted to be the man.

If I thought somebody was a weight class up or a three-way class up, I got to go see him. I can't sleep at night if I don't go see him.
I'm not that dude, but this is where we come from this time.

This is our time.

We can't sleep at night if they think he can whoop me. And he couldn't sleep at night if they thought more than I could whoop him.
You understand me?

It's just not what a champion truly is built out of. You know, when I see Tarvo the other night, he just left him.

He knows deep down in my heart. He's still feeling waiting.
He's fighting the town.

I love him to death. He's free.
He's good people. Never gets him off.
But if they pay me the right money, we got to go again.

You feel me? I'm so sorry, but that's just how it goes. That's what you be.
Boxing has lost that.

Because boxing has lost that, it's giving people an opportunity to come in like a Jake Paul, steal the steam. Because

don't make no mistake about it. An old man told me this one time: two mules are a great race.

Meaning that if you got a racehorse out there that won't race another racehorse, he's gonna blow all the mules up. Don't nobody want to see that?

But when you put that mule out there with another mu, you're gonna get a good damn race. Wow, that's what boxing has been missing.

This time we ain't got two mules, we got two racehorses,

two thoroughbreds that are about to get this is what the sport has been missing. Nobody, I had to go all the way up to Heaven to make it happen.
Right.

Because I couldn't get nobody in my time at my week class to be able to create the atmosphere. This atmosphere.
They wanted you to go across the waterfront Kyle Zack. I ain't doing it.

He wasn't doing it.

Not Kyle Zack.

Mega Shelves.

I wasn't doing that.

He had one belt, you had about 10 bells. What am I going to take all my stuff? I'm the man.
You should come over here while I'm going. HBO offered a great money to come.

He said, no, so that tells me y'all must have something

for you To come over there. Y'all got to pay influence.
I remember what happened to me in 88. I ain't going to let that happen again.

Hey, go ahead.

You understand the game of boxing. A little bit.
You understand the sweet science better than anybody that's going to be watching.

What does Bud need to do to win this fight?

What type of fight does he need to fight to win this fight? That's not an easy answer. Right.
So what I'm saying is, he got to do a lot of things. Right.

So he got to answer the strength question.

When we bump for the first time, we bump shoulders and we clench each other,

am I going to be able to get my respect there? Because if not, it's going to be a hard night.

When I punch, when Terrence starts getting off offensively, is Canelo laughing or does he feel something?

At least enough where you got respectable power where I can't get crazy and get reckless with you. When Canelo hits Terrence for the first time, what's the response gonna be?

We got a lot more questions than we got answers leading into this fight, and that's how you know it's a great fight.

If I looked at the landscape and I said, man, from 154 to 168, who's a name that could get Terrence Crawford to run for his money and potentially beat him? It would be a Canelo Alvarez.

He at the top of the list. But if I said, what's a smaller dude that can come up to really three-way classes since he fought Errol Spence and challenge Canelo Alvarez? It would be Terrence Crawford.

If any smaller fighter can do it, it's him. And it ain't just Terrence's physical ability or who he fought.
It's this and it's this. It's the stuff you can't see.

I got a wins, win or die for me. I can't fathom losing against you and having to live with that for the rest of my life.
That's the type of stuff that'll make you figure it out.

So

on one hand, you got to lean toward Crawford from the standpoint of... I think he's going to find a way to figure it out.

But then you got all the physical advantages and the skill set and the power of Canelo Alvarez.

We talked about this. You moved up from 68 to go to 190, to go to heavyweight to fight Ruiz.
You weighed 193 at the weigh-in.

25 pounds you put on to go fight Ruiz.

But, Bud,

and I was talking to Vargas Sr., and I was talking to someone else, Caleb Plant. I say, Canelo, if he's stripping down to go to 168, Canelo walking around at 195, maybe even 200.

Because Mexicans carry the weight. So, and I say, bud, Bud probably probably walking around, Bud probably walking around, what, 180 to go down the 40? 186, 185? That's what I'm saying.

So now, he gets to stop at 68.

But

thinking Rob's cardio, moving Rob's cardio, punching Rob's cardio. Can he do for 36 minutes? Can he stay mentally sharp, mentally focused, locked in, and put punches together to keep Canelo up off it?

Like Dre said, if he can shock him enough to make him pay attention to that lick, that would keep anybody out. That's how Floyd did it.

Floyd shocked him early and kept everybody respect and kept him out there on the outside a little bit. If Bud can do that, then Canelo would be in for a long night.

If Bud can't do that, then Bud is in for a long night. But like he said, the only person that can beat both of them right now in this situation would be each other.

Whoever can come out and get their respect early is going to win the fight. Whoever come out and take over in that first and second round, it's going to win the fight.

Because if Bud don't hurry up and put Canelo in that box, Canelo is going to be a problem coming around 8, 9, 10, 11. Yeah, let me say this about Bud, man.

For him to be successful in this fight and win this fight, he got to control himself.

So that, I'm going to show you that alpha male, I'm always coming out on top.

You got to reserve that until the right time. So in other words, you ain't got to be stronger than Canelo.
You just got to be strong enough.

You ain't got to hit harder than Canelo. You just got to hit hard enough.

And that's the discipline of saying, okay, you might not respect my power like you would a regular 68-pounder, but you respect it enough. And he's got to stay within that.

And I think the fight really gonna start from the seventh round on. Oh, okay.
The first six rounds, it could be 4-2 Canelo going in the seven. It could be 4-2, but it could be 3-3.

That's when we're going to tap into conditioning. That's when we gonna see how the weight is affecting Bud.
That's when we're going to see, is Canelo gonna fade like we typically see him fade?

Yes, yeah. From the seventh round on, that's when this fight is gonna start.

Because when you go back and look at Canelo, the only guy that he's ever fought that could put punches together beat him, that's Mayweather.

He's never fought anybody else that can put punches together like that. There's Londi Laura, and that could have gone either way.

So if

Bud, you said something very interesting. You said ego, but don't get reckless.
You can be an alpha, but don't get reckless with it.

Because you get reckless with it, you're walking this up in the heat, turn the lights out of the place. Open yourself wide open.
Wide open.

So the question is, can bud put two three four punches together they're like got canela like hold on damn i could just walk up in here these

hey they hey they not horned but these yellow jackets hurt too

he's gonna have to bud gonna have to yeah but gonna have to put them together early

in spots yeah early on it's ones and twos yeah right yeah that second third round they're not twos and threes yeah gotta test you out once we get on that back half now i can stay there a little bit longer yacht yacht yacht yacht you can sit on it see how you're doing.

It's a progression. It's not all at one time.
No, no, no. Because you know, Canelo tried to sit down on everything.
Of course. Canelo tried to get you up out of the way.
He's supposed to be.

He's a bigger man. If you don't come in with that mindset, you'd lost already.

But the thing we're not talking about with Canelo is Canelo can box too. Yeah.

His defense. I call Canelo and Crawford puncher boxers, not boxer punchers.
Meaning they really want to get to it. They can box, but they really don't like to.

If you see Canelo moving around the ring, if you see Terrence moving around the ring, it's either to rest for a second or to reset so they can do what they really want to do, which is get that shot in that's going to change the course of the fight.

They punch a boxer, so I got to see that on display. I want to see who's going to control that.
But Canelo can box.

He just don't have to, and he don't really like to, but he can box. Here's the problem, though.
You know both of them. You know both of them have spent a lot of time with Turk.

You know, Turk paid both of them. You know, Turk told him he don't want no decision.

I don't think they're listening to that. Huh? I don't think they're listening to that.
All right. Because they're going to get paid regardless.

Yeah, but I'm just saying, he told him he don't want no decision. You got a turkey knot in the ring.
I'm just saying.

Everybody goes into the fight with a game plan. I understand that.
You got to execute that game plan and make adjustments round by round. That's good to settle the problem.

That's good to settle the fight. It sounds good.
We're talking about it.

It ain't going to have no bearings on this fight. Here's what the problem, though.

If you go in there and let Canelo get that real estate going this way early, you already lost. Yeah.

If you go in there, Canelo and let Bud get that real estate early, you already lost. So what Turk wants is inevitable, is what I'm basically trying to say.

What he wants right now tonight. Yeah.

Because Bud can't give up Rome and neither can't Canelo. Because whoever gives up that real estate,

you'll lose that fight.

Just what I think. So it's going to force you to fight no matter what.
Just what I said. So what he wants is inevitable anyway.
We got a guy in Bud. It's very few.
Bud is a softball.

But boy, he got power in the Orthodox.

Very few, very few fighters

can turn the lights out of a building with either hand. We saw him start with Spence, he sidepaw, and then all of a sudden he switched up like this.

Spence, like, hello, who this other guy in the ring? Because I was like, the guy who hit me with the left, and now they got a guy to tear me up with the right.

Which one of y'all hit me? Yeah, which one of y'all hit me?

Could that be a problem for Canelo? Yeah. Let me take this.
Let me take this. Go for it.

It could have been a problem

until in came Boots Enos, who also does that. Oh, that's very weird.
You can take it from now. That's why he had him in camp.
I forgot all about that.

Canelo had boots with James. Yeah, Boots, Boots Fight Unorthodox and South Paul.
Really good. Yes.
Oh. That makes sense.
Okay, okay, okay, okay.

I thought he was just getting ready. I thought he was getting ready for his fight.

I thought he was getting ready for his fight. He was.

But he was helping Canelo, too. The mere fact.

The mere fact. First of all, he understands what Buddy is.
In the four-bed era, he's the first man to be undisputed in two-weight classes.

So you know,

first of all, it's a boxing match.

That man got an unblemished record. You got an unblemished record.

So you know.

Fact.

But Canelo also understands.

This is.

People say, well, it

as accomplished.

You get accomplished like Canelo, undisputed at super middleweight. We got a guy that's been undisputed in two-way classes.
Now, we can say Buster Douglas when he beat

Mike Tyson. But Buster Douglas was not as accomplished as a Canelo or Crawford.
Leon speaks when he beat Muhammad Ali.

He was not as accomplished.

This right here, what Bud would do,

I don't know. Roy, Dre, y'all been around the sport.
You did the sport. You're world champion.
I don't know how high this go if Bud were to do this, but it's got to be pretty damn high.

Would that not make him the greatest of all time? I don't say the greatest of all time.

We can't say that. No.

We can't the greatest of all time. If he goes out there and beats Canelo at 168, going up two weight classes? Listen, man,

that is a great feat.

He up there. Yeah.

Of all time? Okay. I don't even think Bud would say that.
Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. okay.
We're talking past Robinson. We're talking past Ali.
Okay, you're right. We got to be careful with that.

Right.

I'm speaking to the essence of the time we're in now where we can't even get fighters to fight. This era? Yeah, we're talking about it.
We can't even get our fighters. He's one of the great fighters.

By far.

We can't even get our best fighters to fight each other right now.

And we got Bud taking a chance. I wonder why.
Going up to three weights. We're feeling away about that.
Huh? We're feeling away about that. Why, why? Why?

Let me go back to the.

O.

It ain't just the O, though. Let me go back to the conversation about why the fight's not happening.
If you got a big enough fan base, you got a big enough social following,

why would I risk, and I'm saying this is what I believe the youngsters are thinking.

Why would I risk my health and my reputation? Because really the reputation, I think they're thinking about that more than they thinking about their health. As long as my fan base feels like I'm him,

Why would I have to risk proving that I'm him? Wait, the fan base ain't cutting the chest. I got you.
Okay. But some of them them still getting the money without facing top competition.
So,

let me tell you how the youngsters thinking. They looking at the old heads now saying, y'all was stupid.

You fought him. You fought him for that.
They looking at facing tough challenges like they laughing at it. Like, dude, I got this to face him.

The whole dynamic is changed. It's a whole paradigm shift.
As long as my fan base says I'm the guy and I can walk around like the guy and feel like the guy, that's enough for me.

All that proving to be great and legacy stuff, ain't nobody trying to hear all that. That's what that's whether we like it or not, that's how they think.

I believe, I believe 100% what you say, but when it's done and the people don't give them credit, they wonder why.

They wonder why they still hold Sugar Ray Leonard and these great fighters and the Roy Jones and all these other fighters in high regard because they fought everybody.

You go back and look at the age, when they had the four horsemen, the fifth horseman with Ira and Barkley, they fought everybody.

You go back and look at the 70s and the heavyweight division, nobody ducked. Nobody.

Now,

bro, you undefeated. It's like if I'm going to a game, tickets for sale.
I want to buy tickets. Well, buy the tickets.
He's selling them. You need.

You undefeated. You talk about you want to fight the best.
He's undefeated. You undefeated.
But go fight. The game different.
It's a different game. You know what?

Even though it's a different game right now, Roy, and Dre, I think with Turkey being into the game now, I think more fighters that are really good, that have those zeros, that have the skill set.

He's going to make the fight.

Because

I'm willing to take the risk for the reward that he's paying. It's a big reward.
There it is. And I do appreciate that about Turkey.
You can say what you want to say. He's paying them.
Yes.

It's so many times fighters had high risk, low reward. And you look at the money, it's like, y'all chopping that up five different ways?

This is what he brought home after y'all got y'all money? And he fought

a 12-round back that man in the hospital right now. That's what y'all giving me?

15, 15, 12.

It's different now.

So, I appreciate that man saying, Look, I want the best fights, but I'm going to pay you because of it. That's all we're asking.

That's all. That's it.
Get your money because it is prize fighting. It's not pride fighting.
Yeah. My babies can't eat legacy.
Nope. The legacy is for me and my name.

I can't live with myself unless I know I didn't tested the waters and seen if I was the baddest man. That's for me and my name.
But really, my kids, I got to make sure this money is right. Right.

But I think that's why kind of UFC is kind of taking over because Dana White ain't gonna let nobody duck. Well, they can't choose.

This who you're gonna fight.

Okay, you got the bell. Okay, you're fighting the number one contender.
Okay, you got it. Well, you just beat the number one when you fight number two.
Well, okay, guess what?

Four and five, y'all gonna fight to see who's fighting number one to see to see who gonna fight for the title. And that's why they try to get him involved with boxing, too.
Because I think that's the

key, the blueprint. Fix that problem.
Yeah, that's the blueprint, yes.

But but, Roy, you wanted to fight. You fought James Toney.

Whoever, whoever, if you have, first of all, if you once you won 68, you can't have no belt in my era. You wear pay, you pay we're suspenders, but you're not finna have a belt.

Because I'm gonna get it. Not at all.
Not at all.

Not at all.

And for the challenges, for you to say, you know what? I gotta go on up here. And you did, you, you skipped, because a lot of people say, okay, I'm gonna be a light heavy, and then I'll go for heavy.

You jumped over that and then came back down again. I jumped over cruiser.
Yes, you jumped over the cruiser. But I'm going to say this.
I'm going to say this part

to what he said.

I understand what he's saying. Legacy can't feed your kids, right?

Currency does, true.

But the problem with the part they're missing is that if I got a fan base of fans here in the United States and they love me to death, and I stay protected, and I don't do nothing, when I retire, what happens when I go abroad?

When I go abroad right now, because I fought in and everybody came my way, I am like Michael Jordan abroad because they know what I ate, what I did. They know what I went through.

This man just brought me a gold medal back home not long ago because of what I did to him way back then in 1988. They know my presence.
They know what I mean. They know what I stood for.

So it's like, not that fan base here in the United States. I do have a good fan base in the United States.
I love them. I appreciate it.
But I'm not here to... fool a fan base.

I'm here to prove the truth. I am the best of my time, my era.
Nobody here disputes that. You understand me? So to be able to say, oh, I can make my money with my fan base.

And nah, brother, don't get it for me. I'm old school.
I'm sorry. I do know it's changed.
I respect that. I respect what they do.
But I could never have lived. That's why God created me in 1969.

So I had to look at this.

But here's the thing. I couldn't play the sport of football and worry about getting hurt.
You understand me? You in the box, and you're talking about, well, I might get hurt.

You in the fight game.

If you fight, I don't care how great you are. You gonna get hit you're gonna get hit something's gonna and it's gonna it's gonna impact you

and these guys don't you talk a legacy is not undefeated a legacy is who did you fight to become what you became yeah simple if if if we can break we can break it down but like michael irvin said michael irvin said guess what i went through girl daryl green rod woodson charles woodson i went through uh niels williams and deion sanders to get my gold jacket i went through gold jackets.

You heard me? In a prank. You heard me? Nah.
In a prime. We got guys talking about, ooh, ooh, I'm undefeated.
In a prime. You beat the kick to stay undefeated.

I ain't talking about Floyd Floyd. I can't agree with you on that.
I ain't talking about him either, but I'm just saying.

We ain't gonna do that today. I'm just saying.
We ain't gonna do that today. I'm just saying.
Yeah, we, I, I,

Floyd. Floyd did.
Floyd Tyson. I ain't talking about him right now.
He fighting Mike Tyson. They ain't talking about him right now.

I fight Mike Tyson, too. Well, we gotta wrap it up.

We got the big, we got one of the bosses coming in. Hey, Roy.
Hey. Appreciate you, man.
Thank you. Drake.
Brother.

Anytime, brother. Appreciate you, bro.
Appreciate you. Hey, go easy on it, man.
Hey, man, deal with your guy. Man, dude, he's a good one.

He wants it. People call him my name.

Talking about these teachers. Talking about me.

Brown put his hands on you. Yeah, you feel it.

I love it, boy. All right, brother.
No,

when you're ready. We've been ready.
We've been ready since 1:30. But I had to do this from 22.
I didn't even know it.

Whenever you're ready, it's 2:30 right now.

Huh?

Okay, right after them then I can come.

Dana Lad. Dana, I want to fucking fight.

What a matchup we got, y'all. This is that classic HBCU vibe.
Non-stop action. The band is rocking and the crowd lick.
Chance echoing. Drum beating.
Everybody's showing that school pride.

Game like this? Yeah, it calls for an ice-cold Coca-Cola.

Ah, crisp and refreshing. That's a game changer right there.

Mmm, yeah. That taste always hits the right note, just like a band at halftime.
And just like that, we're back out.

Passionate fans, school colors everywhere, and an ice cold Coca-Cola, that's a winning combo. No matter the sport, no matter the yard, everybody knows.

Fan work is thirsty work, so grab a Coca-Cola and keep that HBCU pride going.

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We got one of the

promoters of the fight getting ready to join us right now. We got Dana White,

the big CEO. He runs everything, all things UFC.
He's the face of the UFC.

He's getting ready to join us on stage, Dana White.

Hey, Chad, who y'all want to see me fight in the UFC? Who you think? Debo.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

That story's too much.

Oh yeah. Chat, it's going down.
Dana White and Turkey are going to sponsor me and Debo.

What's up, baby? You good? How's everything?

Daniel. Good to see you, babe.
Appreciate you.

Dana, you got it buzzing.

You got the biggest fight in a very, very, very long time. I mean, it might be the biggest fight since Pacquiao Mayweather.
You got Canelo, the undisputed super middleweight champ.

You got Bud Crawford, the first man in the four-bed era, to be a two-time undisputed champ, and they're fighting. Somebody's going to leave.

Crawford says he's leaving with like eight, nine belts. Neville says, nah, I'm leaving with my legacy cemented that I've taken on all comers that I didn't back down from anybody.

How did this fight

come to be? Well, let's start with this. This is what makes us such a great fight for fighting.
Absolutely. You know, what I always have said and feel is that To have a great fight, what's at stake?

What's at stake? It's no different than the Super Bowl or any of these

sporting events. What's at stake? And when you have a guy like Crawford who could say who could stay in his lane, go down as the greatest in his division and

fight fights that

he's going to win because he's that talented, not because he's taking on easy

opponents, but to move up two-way classes to want to prove himself and for Canelo to accept and get the fight. This is what we all dream of as fight fans.

So that's why I call this once-in-a-lifetime fight because literally nobody does this.

And how it came about was Shake Turkey, you know, from Saudi Arabia put this fight together, then hit me up and said, I want you to be the promoter of this event.

You said, okay.

Because Jay, now look, what you do in the UFC, and this is what we want. In the UFC, you don't allow somebody to try to hand pick and cherry pick guys.

You the best, you're going to fight the best. If you're the number one contender and you got a belt, you fighting the number one contender.
You're not fighting the number 10 contender.

You're not going to dunk and die and try to build your bank account up fighting inferior guys. If you say you're the best, fight the best.
Well, what I hate is debate. I hate debate.

You have everybody debating over who, this guy, that guy. There's only one way to find out.
It's like,

we can argue, you can get all the experts, you can break down the stats, you can do all this,

and all the answers, all the questions will be answered on Saturday.

In the ring or the octagon, we we can prove who's the best. And now we get an opportunity to see.
Well, here's the thing about boxing, too, that drives me crazy. Like, everybody's undefeated, right?

Now, in the UFC, if you're undefeated, like John Jones, say what you want about John Jones. He's been undefeated his entire career.
He's fought everybody, and that means something.

It means something when you're undefeated. But even though, but in the UFC, Dana, even if a guy has one loss, you don't discard him.

It seems like now in boxing, if you have one loss you're not any good alessanya has a loss pietta has a loss guys have losses it's sugar ray had losses muhammad had losses every boxer why did they have losses because they fought the best they fought the best

fought sugar ray sugar ray fought the red

they fought barkley absolutely the heavyweight

whole round robin of the baddest dudes of all time and it was it was it's why the sport was so big and why so many people loved it and why these guys today are able to make money off of it was because those guys fought everybody.

But then the funny thing about it is time to change. Yes.
Time to change, especially in the sport of boxing.

The fighters today don't want to take a loss because it messes up being the A-side, it messes up being to command a certain amount for your purse, it messes up being able to pick and choose who you want to fight and when you want to fight them.

Yep. I agree.
That's all it comes down to.

What you've seen is, you know, people have been talking about the demise of boxing for over 30 years, but what you have seen is there's no television deal right now for boxing out there.

You know, you have some streaming services that are picking up, you know, picking them here and there and all this stuff.

It doesn't work. You can't build...

Tell me a business in the history of the world or a sport that has generated trillions of dollars in revenue, yet at the end of the day, there's nothing there.

And all these fights feel like a going out of business sale. You know what I mean? Dana, you know, when you and I were growing up, great championship fights used to be on regular television.

You could watch a fight on CBS. I remember what Gil Klan said, all those guys, you could like see great.
ABC's wide world of sports and USA's Tuesday night fights is where they built all the stars.

You're absolutely right.

Our league could have never said he the greatest if he the duck Foreman, if he the duck Frazier, if he the duck Ken Norton, he beardie shavers, if he'd have ducked Kent Ron Lyle. You can't say that.

You can't say in an era where all those great fighters are and you don't fight none of them that you the greatest. How you get to say that because no

floyd is floyd yeah and i think what has happened is that everybody sees floyd and they see that perfect 50 and oh they try to get they say well if i'm 40 and oh if i'm 45 and oh i'll be the equivalent no you're not floyd is a transcendent he's a once-in-a-lifetime fighter so no matter what stop trying to be him there's only one floyd maywer jr you should try to be the best version of you and then let us have that whatever but you gotta you gotta fight

i agree if you look at this undercard on saturday night,

all young, up-and-coming guys that are undefeated, all fighting each other.

So this will be the first boxing match in a long time where I'm telling you right now, you want to be there for the first fight of the night.

Whether you're in the arena or watching it live on television, all of these fights on this card are going to be awesome.

Is boxing something that you want to get and buy? I know, Turkey, you said Ali called you and said, I want you to promote it. Is this something that you're trying to dip your toe into?

Is this something that you're going to get into? In 26, I'm launching my thing in 26, yeah.

So, so

we know how you did the, I mean, you and the Pertitas, y'all purchased something in the early 2000s for 2 million, and you turned it into a $5 billion

business, box office.

Is that what your hope is for boxing? Are you trying to get boxing back to what it once was? And can it be that?

Well, I don't even,

I'm not coming in with an arrogance that, oh, I'm going to come in and fix boxing and I'm going to do everything different.

My game plan is pretty clear and simple.

The best up-and-coming guys are going to fight each other. And then once you get, so once you get, you know, you got all these sanctioning organizations that are ranking all these different guys.

When the best fight the best all the time, there's no question when you get up into the top five who the best guys in the world are.

It's the top five guys in the division. Is that what you think? You think they got too many, they got the WBO, they got the IBF, the WBC, the WBA, they got Ring magazine.

Do they have too many sanctioning boxes? The sanctioning organizations are

part of what killed boxing. There's no doubt about it.

Good. That's it.
Listen,

I have two fights coming up. I would like you to promote my fights.
I want you and Turkey. Where are your fights?

He wants an MMA against Debo, James Harrison. I'm going to say James Harrison, UFC.
You're going to promote it. You're going to put me on a card, and then I want to do a boxing.

When you get into boxing in 2026, I'm going to beat the shit out of Andre Ward.

So,

no, I'm serious. Dana, I need you.

I've never, listen, I've known you.

How do you want to do this? You've got an amazing career. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And now you've got a successful podcast. Yeah, very, very, very,

very, very, very, very, very, very, very, so, because, how old are you now? 57.

You're 57? Yeah, look. You look fucking great.

You don't look good. You look fucking great.
I've got fighting. I've been fighting all my life.
Well, 57 is too old to be fighting. No, it's not.
It is. Not for me.

57-year-olds fight to get out of bed and get on a treadmill every day.

Dana, you have to do me this one favor. Please.
I want to fight James Harrison in the octagon, five rounds, five minutes.

James Harrison, the NFL player? Yes. Yeah.

You talk too much trash. I need you to set that up.
I need you to back me. Tail Turkey.
The dude's a monster. He's a what? He's a monster.
Did you see the story of David and Goliath? I have. Okay.

Well, that's exactly what it's going to look like. Is that a real story? Or is that a myth? It might be a myth.
I think that's a myth.

How old's he?

How old is James? What do you think?

Should be probably about 10, 11 years younger. Probably about 46, 45, 40.

I'm 47. I'm only 47.
Oh, okay.

So now you agree to the fight. No, that's still too old.
But

it's better than 57.

Just say yes, please. Just say yes.

I can't say yes.

I'll tell you this. We'll talk about it.
Oh, my God, Chad. I'm going to beat his ass.
We'll talk about it.

I'm going to beat him. You see,

is that what's happened to boxing? You see a lot of guys, boxing seemed to be headed towards the exhibitions. You got Jake Paul gonna fight Tank Davis.
You got Tyson is gonna fight Floyd.

Is that what we are with boxing? Well, you know, I think that those type of fights are always gonna exist. People are always gonna be interested in, will Ocho Cinco fight Harrison?

Will, you know, YouTube guy fight this guy, and these type of fights, they're always gonna exist.

It's gonna happen, and it's always gonna pique the interest of people that want to see what will happen, but it's just not what I'm into. I'm into who's the best in the world?

Who's the best in every weight class? Who's the pound for pound best? That's my thing, and that's what I'll always do.

I'm not saying I wouldn't do an Ocho Cinco versus Harrison, but

it would

be,

I don't know.

I never say never, but it's not what I'm into. Thank you.

There's a rumor floating around. I don't know if there's any truth,

but I think in 26, a UFC event is going to be going to take place at the White House. That is absolutely true.
Are they going to allow fans? You're going to have fans?

There's going to be under, so under 5,000 people will be on the south lawn of the White House at the actual, and then right next to the White House is a massive park.

We'll have 85,000 people there watching on

screens, and yeah, and we're going to have a stage and do concerts, and we're going to basically take over Washington DC for a week. So

you mentioned that okay, so the weigh-ins, everything that would normally happen at say a Legion or

T-Mobile is going to take place at the White House. Well at certain monuments.
You know the Lincoln Monument we might do the

weigh-ins you know yeah we're going to take over the whole city and then the fight will happen on the south lawn of the White House.

Boy, who? I know Secret Services Dana.

You could have said no it made it real easy on us us because you don't understand the protection that we're going to have to go through to make sure this thing is locked down.

This has got to be Fort Knox. So, you know what's probably the most badass thing about, obviously everything about it is the fighters will actually walk from the Oval Office into the Oculus.

I got to be a part of that. So badass.

So badass. That's definitely.

Look,

I was at the event that you had at the sphere.

And I don't know if

you saw it on TV, it was great. But if you was there in person, it was on another level.

And I remember having a conversation with you when we sat down with the interview, you said, yeah, we're going to do something at the sphere. Once you did the sphere, how soon did you start like

the White House would be badass? I would love to take credit for it. The president was the one that asked me, he said, I think we should, he has this whole,

I don't know if you'll ever meet anybody that loves the White House more than President Trump does, right?

He's so proud of that place. And his philosophy is this house belongs to the people.

It belongs to all the Americans. And he wants to open up stuff like, you know, kids go on Easter, go, you know, egg hunting

and having big events that get Americans in to experience and enjoy the White House. That's his thing.

So, you know, one of them is, we should do a fight. You know, he just said it off the cuff one day.
And I said, say when.

And he said when we put together all the renderings and all the, you know, how it would work. And we flew out.
And my team got to pitch him in the Oval Office

with all the renderings. And he was blown away by it.
And it's happening. We're doing it.

Have you just?

Because look,

you probably won't get a better venue in the history of UFC. Have you thought about who's going to be on that card?

So

we won't start really looking at who's on the card until like February. Okay.
So in February, we will start making the card.

But, you know, I was having a conversation with D.C., and I don't know if you saw it. He says, he says, Shannon, I know what Dana said, but if he wants some Americans, unless he wants

Europeans to take over the White House and win every match, he better put John Jones on that card. You're like, yeah, no.
Well,

that's that's pretty big of Cormier. I'm proud of him, man.
I'm proud of him, Barry.

He said, we got to get one win. He said, because I don't know if there's any Americans that can get a win at the White House other than John Jones.
I said, what about John Jones and Aspinall?

I said, would you think Dana would consider that?

He's like, hell yeah.

Well, one of the things with me is, unlike tennis and basketball and all these other things,

my sport is a global sport. And there's guys from all over the world that are talented.
I don't ever. But we can't lose at the White House.
I know it's a global sport, but that's an American solid.

That's the White House. In fighting, man,

you can't determine who's going to win.

That's why they're fighting.

That's exactly right. So whoever we bring in on that card, I'm not looking for America versus, you know, every American to win.
Right. Whoever wins wins.
Right. I like it.
You just did this new deal.

I mean, a monumental deal. I mean,

you were. I mean, in the beginning, you paid to be on Spike TV.
Right. And then you get this deal with Fox, and then you go to ESPN, and now you with CBS and Paramount, and billions of dollars.
Dana,

when you and the Fertitas sat down, it's like, I think this is a business that we can buy for little or nothing. Did you ever envision? it would be this?

Well, if you watch interviews with me early on, I said this will be the the biggest sport in the world.

And I always knew that this would work.

I have this philosophy that I don't care what color you are, what country you come from, what language you speak, we're all human beings. And fighting's in our DNA, man.
We get it and we like it.

I got football players that want to fight.

I mean, it's crazy. But yes, I believe.
But

you don't... imagine a level where we're talking about fighting at the White House and a lot of the other things that we've done and accomplished.

But yeah, I always thought this would be big. I mean you go from paying 10 million to get on TV to somebody paying you billions of billions.
But now you said

if I read this correctly, there's no more pay-per-view, correct? Right.

Well we had guys early on, first of all,

We were the red-headed stepchild of the Fertida portfolio back in the day, let me tell you what.

And they had all these smart guys that worked for them that hated this thing and said, it's never going to work. And then, you know the big thing was you guys if you pay your way on to TV

how do you think there's ever going to be a day where somebody's going to come to you and say okay we'll pay you now but

me and the Fertidas truly believe that once we introduced this to the mainstream that they would love it as much as we did and saw what we saw in it and and that did happen but you had to do a lot Dana you had to get weight classes because in the original stages there was no weight classes and guys fought I was at the first one in Denver Colorado in 1993 and guys fought so you would fight you win you move on you fight again win you move on well we had to get rid of the tournament style because yes because it's not true that the best actually win because too many people get hurt during the night and now the level of fighters I mean these guys get banged up they're not ready again for you know they're not even moving again for two and a half weeks after some of these fights.

But one of the things that I really had to do early on, I was just, I flew to LA yesterday and was doing some PR out there, and I did some radio so in the beginning I flew all around the country and I was speaking with you know remember this when we bought this thing newspapers were still around right newspapers was how everybody got their news so I had to fly around and meet with these 65 year old editors explaining them the UFC and why it was going to be and all these guys cared about was ball and stick sports so not only did we buy our way onto television

Nobody would cover us. So we bought our way onto radio,

right? Now, radio was massive then, and you had to be good radio.

Well, we'd have these fighters waking up at six in the morning or three, four in the morning, getting dropped into the East Coast, right? And these guys would be like, hello,

you know, they were terrible radios. So none of the radio wanted to talk to any of the fighters.
So every pay-per-view, we would switch.

I would get up at 3.30 in the morning and do a whole radio satellite tour. Then the next one, Joe Rogan, would get up at 3.30 in the morning and do a full,

you know, because we both love the sport, we were both passionate about it, and we both could talk about it. And that was how we really got started, too.

I mean, there's so many different pieces to this puzzle on getting this business to where we are today. And radio was just as big as buying away onto Spike TV.

But you had to also get Congress approval because a lot of states

you couldn't participate in. And so you had to go before Congress and you had to get legislation.
And now, if I'm not mistaken, I think you're sanctioned in all the...

In a couple of the states, it was actually illegal.

So not only do we have to get regulated

and be a part of their state athletic commission, we had to undo some laws. It was illegal.

So

it's been a lot of work.

It's fun to say, oh, they bought it for $2 million and now it's worth, you know, they just did a $7 billion or $8 billion deal with television. There's been a lot of work to get to where we are today.

Of all the things that you've done, is that and all the things that, because you're, and

I don't think you're done. I don't think, think I don't know what you would actually do

until you see what we do in the next three years

the I just every time people think that you know oh for instance when we sold for 4.025 billion right yeah

everybody said

you know they overpoke this thing's that beyond the peak blah blah blah just

I love the negativity and I love that talk and if you look at where we are now and what we've accomplished, wait till you see what we do in the next couple of years. Wow.

I can't wait. I don't.

How much longer is Dana White going to be captain in this ship? I can't imagine you doing anything else.

I mean, you pop out of bed because this is not work for you. You look forward to waking up in the morning.
Lord, please let me put my feet on the floor and let me go do my job in the morning.

How much longer does Dana White want?

So it's funny,

how old are you? I'm 57. Yeah.
All right.

So So when guys, and it might be the same for him, but when guys like you and I were growing up, right, you always had the older generation talking about, I'm going to retire and I'm going to be drinking, you know, pina coladas on the beach and all this shit, right?

Go away for 10 days. How many pina coladas can you drink?

And I'll be on these great vacations that are unbelievable. Yeah, we saw you on that meeting about that.

After day seven, I'm like, if I have to put suntan lotion on my body one more time,

and if I drink one more of these drinks, and if I eat another crappy meal,

I can't wait to get back to work, right?

It was all an illusion for those poor guys.

They didn't realize. And to have to do, you talk about 10 days.
You think I'm going to do this for the next 30 years? No way in hell.

Listen, whoever is going to take this over after me, I'm going to have to die for them to come in.

You know what?

I had a teacher that did that. He was a a teacher for like 40 years

he retired a week later

yep I hear those stories all the time too and I get it yes

next what are you gonna do nothing especially when you do things at the level that we've done them right

think about what you've done and what it must have been like for you guys to run out of that tunnel on game day and go out and just destroy the team and win and all the stuff that goes along with it yeah who the hell wants to walk away from that?

Nobody. Nobody does.
That's the answer to that question. Well you definitely have the best job of the house ladies and gentlemen.
Thank you for joining us Dana. Thanks for having me.

Congratulations man. Hey, hopefully this thing is

as big Saturday night as the build-up to it and if we get anything close to what we think it's going to be, it's going to be unbelievable. Here's what I can promise you, and I say this all the time.

I'm the bells and whistles guy. I will put on the greatest bells and whistles you've ever seen Saturday night, whether you're there live or watching on TV.

And then I hand the baton off to the fighters and they got to go in and deliver. They do their thing.
Dana, thanks for joining us. Thanks for watching.
All right. Thanks, Robbie.

All right, guys, thank you for joining us. We really appreciate it.
We want to thank all the guests that stopped by.

Andre Ward, Roy Jones Jr., Dana White, Fernando Vargas Jr. and Senior Stopped By.
Antonio Tarva, Caleb Plant, and Jim Gray. Thank you guys for joining us.
Thank you guys for watching.

Thank you for your support. Come on.
See you tonight after the game. Watching the Green Bay.
We're back in five hours. Peace.
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