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We have a ton of guests rolling through.

This is early.

You know how it is.

A lot of these people are very, very famous, and a lot of these people come on their schedule.

They don't come on our schedule.

So, what we might have tenantly scheduled for, say, 1215, 1230, 1245, it might be 1, 115, 130.

But they will be here today.

We have some outstanding guests on the card tonight coming through to talk to us about this fight.

Jim Gray, who's a good friend of mine, who's covered the sport of boxing for 40 plus years, he's going to come here and going to tell us about what he expects from this fight, the buzz that's been generated from this fight, because this is one of the bigger fights, Ocho.

that we've seen in a very long time.

We see Bud Crawford going up two-way classes to take on Canelo, the undisputed champ at 168.

So I'm excited about this.

Listen, I'm very excited.

It's one of the biggest draws, one of the biggest gates since Pacquiao

and Mayweather.

So I'm excited.

The buzz around the fight, the promotion around the fight, what Turkey Ali has been able to do in making boxing great again, creating fights that people want to see.

I'm excited for the fight.

Bud going up two-way classes.

Obviously,

I'm kind of nervous.

I'm kind of nervous.

Being realistic,

understanding the game of boxing, understanding the sweet science.

They have weight classes for a reason.

But if there's anybody that can make history and has the mentality to do so and the skill set, it's Bud Crawford.

I think Bud is looking at it from this standpoint.

He's saying, finally, I don't have to strip down.

Bud probably walks around at 180, 185, and he's stripping down to 147.

He said, nah, I ain't got to strip down but to 168.

I'm going to have more strength.

I'm going to have more power.

I'm not going to be in a weakened state.

Come fight night.

The thing that, you know, that you have to respect most about Floyd Mayweather, and people are like, well, Floyd, Floyd is a naturally small man.

Floyd was dropping five pounds.

Floyd walked around weighted 155 and he's dropping down to 147.

So Floyd also, he trained year-round.

He didn't allow his weight to fluctuate so much.

So what you saw Floyd, for the most part, was his natural weight.

So he was able to fight basically his whole career, 140, 147.

He did go up to a junior middleweight, 154, to challenge Oscar De La Hoya.

But for the most part, Floyd is a naturally small man.

Bud is a big guy.

People don't realize if you were to see him.

You got to get up on him.

You got to get up on him.

If you were to see him in person, then you'll have a better understanding that he's not a 147.

He fights at that, but he could have fought most of his career at junior middleweight or maybe even middleweight at 160.

Yeah, absolutely.

But I think the thing is...

for me, Ocho, is that seeing Bud really only have one fight at 54.

So basically, this is a three-weight jump.

He fought most of his career at 147, so he jumped 54, he jumps 60, go lands at 168.

Where for the most part, Canelo has fought his entire career at this weight.

He fought Floyd at what I think fought Floyd at 54, but he's been a 60, 68 fighter for the better part of his career.

And the question that everybody has, and I think it's naturally so.

Bud is saying, I didn't have to strip it all the way down to the bones to make 47.

So I feel stronger.

I feel that I'm going to have my, still have my quickness.

And everybody keeps asking me how is how it's I'm how am I going to take a punch?

How are they going to take my stuff?

You got to realize there's two people in this ring.

I understand that but also Bud has to realize, we talk about Canelo.

Canelo has fought Triple G.

He's fought Baval.

He's fought punchers.

Now the thing that most people are worried about is him going up to weight classes and having to deal with the power.

But with Canelo, Canelo sits on every punch.

Right.

And the timing, if Bud can time it, because in order for Canelo to punch, he has to sit.

Yes.

He has to sit.

He's not one

he's no power without sit.

Exactly.

And he sits and he telegraphs almost every punch and

he punches with intent to hurt.

Right.

Every time.

Right.

So if Bud can pick and choose when to engage, when the box, box smart.

Obviously, he has a great ring IQ.

I think he's going to be okay.

He's going to have to outbox Canelo.

Yes.

No slug fest.

No ego.

I can sit here.

No, no, no, no.

You got to fight smart.

That's why Floyd was a...

Now, he was younger when he fought Floyd.

But Floyd was able to time.

Everything that he threw to him came back.

Yes.

And Floyd already knew where the punches were coming from.

So you trying to sit down on punches and hit on Floyd.

Floyd's like, I got something for you.

That's how Bud is going to have to fight.

And Bud is going to have to look to counter everything, knowing that the punches are a little slower when you sit down because they're not as fast.

But like you said, he got power.

He got dynamite in his hand now.

He's looking to turn the lights out of the building.

He wants to put on a perfect...

a performance because people like man canelo you know canelo just fighting these guys and he's fighting these guys that are past their prime.

And that you look at his resume, you're like, yeah, but look at the guy.

He's already, he had lost three of his last four fights.

He was 36 years of age when he fought Canelo.

So Canelo is probably going to look out here to make a statement.

Because if he beats Crawford, he's going to say, what are you going to say now?

People are going to look.

When you're graded something, people are going to nitpick.

People are going to say, well, you fought Crawford.

He was 38.

You didn't fight Crawford at 30.

You didn't fight Crawford at 32.

You didn't fight Crawford at 28.

So they're going to to find something to nip.

They did the same thing with Floyd.

They said, well, Floyd, look at who Floyd beat.

But look at when he fought him.

He fought him when they wanted to fight.

And so I think it's going to be the same thing with Canelo, but I'm expecting an outstanding fight.

Absolutely.

The one thing I do know,

he's not going to back down.

No, absolutely not.

He's not going to back down.

So sometimes, though, Joe, you got to swallow your prize.

Hey, look here.

I'm trying to win the fight.

Are you trying to win the fight or are you trying to prove a point?

Yeah.

Because if you're trying to prove a point, I don't think sitting in the pocket and going toe to toe with Canelo is not the way to do it.

No, I mean, the common sense, common sense, and understanding, obviously, going up to weight classes, they have weight classes for a reason.

For those of you who

watch boxing, who understand the speech science, you have to outsmart him.

Yes.

Technically, Canelo is one of the most gifted, whether it's offensively or defensively.

His defense is great, and his defense at times is his offense, and offensively, he can be a juggernaut when he sits on those punches.

But ego aside, pride aside, he has to put on a boxing clinic similar to what Mayweather was able to do.

Even though their skill sets are different,

he has to outbox him.

Go back and look at

when Ali fought Foreman in the Rumble in the Drungle.

He didn't sit in the pocket.

No.

He let him tire himself out

and then, boom,

look at Sugar Ray when he fought Hagler at 160.

He's like, nah, I'm not sitting in the pocket, bro.

Hey, he flurried the last 15, 20 seconds.

Crowd going crazy.

The judge's like, oh, I think Sugar Ray won that round.

Huh?

Yeah.

That's how you're going to have to fight.

You don't, look, prove the point by look I took this fight I moved up two weight classes.

I fought somebody that somebody at a lower weight didn't think I could beat right and so now here I am doing what many thought I couldn't do So at the end of the day if they raise your hand victorious That's all that matters nobody is gonna remember how they're just gonna remember man

Whew man bud be Canelo made his shit and he moved up two classes to get it done.

Yeah, so you have to be excited ecstatic about that.

I'm excited about this.

Yeah, most definitely most definitely.

Jim.

Jim, come on.

We have Jim Gray.

Jim, what's up, baby?

You're good.

How's it good to see you?

How you doing to see you, baby?

Bye, guys.

Good to see you, Jill.

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Oh my goodness.

It's great to see you guys.

Good to see you.

Jim, you look Jim, you've covered a sport of box in 40 years about being conservative 50.

1977.

What is that?

48 years.

Oh, my God.

48 years.

I love it.

My first interview was Muhammad Ali.

I was a videotape editor.

What was that like?

I've watched the clips.

He was so savvy with his wordplay.

What was that like in person?

So it opened all the doors for all of this for me.

I was a videotape editor.

They were converting from film to videotape.

Now we have all this digital, so people don't even know what film was.

And I was at the ABC Bureau in Denver, and all the guys in the union who were with the film, they took the buyout.

They took the union buyout so they hired a bunch of young people yes sir I was 17 years old Wow so I was editing I was in my booth at 7 a.m.

editing the Broncos with Red Miller getting ready for the draft and Ali was coming to town he was gonna fight Leon Spinks and he was gonna fight Lyle Alzedo in an exhibition

okay at Mile High Stadium their stadium back at the time so they came running at seven Ali's two and a half hours early you know something about sports go interview I was dressed like this no sport coin I had a t-shirt, ran out to Stapleton International Airport, interviewed Ali, gave me 45 minutes.

Wow.

Came back.

First question I asked him, he said,

you doing this interview, you don't even shave.

Well, the whole entourage was there.

Pandini, and for everybody was there, and everybody started to laugh, so it relaxed me.

He started to laugh.

After the fourth question, he gave me the nicest compliment I ever had.

He said, you sound like the local Howard Kosell.

So anyway, I took it back.

Make a long story short, I was editing myself out.

They weren't going to put me on ABC.

They were going to put me on.

So the head of the bureau walked in there.

His name was Roger Ogden.

He didn't even know my name.

He said, I want to see this Ali tape.

He stayed in there for an hour and a half.

An hour and a half.

He got up and he said,

you and this videotape are going on the air.

It's barely adequate.

So when I got into the Boxing Hall of Fame several years ago in the Basketball Hall of Fame, I said somehow barely adequate ended up here.

That's dope.

That's dope.

But what happened was, so Ali did the interview, and back in those days, ABC was connected on the ground by the fiber optics to all the stations.

There was a man named Frank Reynolds who was World News Tonight before Peter Jennings and Ted Koppel.

David Muir does it now, but he sat in that chair.

He saw this go across on ABC DEF.

DEF was daily electronic feed, so they put it on the ABC DEF.

He saw it, he took it down, he put it on World News Tonight.

Ali having a good time with the 17-year-old kid.

Oh, that's dope.

And Ali saw it in Houston on the next stop of his press tour.

And he saw what a good time.

So then Ali had me come and interview him before and after all the rest of his fights.

And it opened all the doors everywhere.

That's how you got the relationship with Muhammad.

It opened all the doors everywhere.

And then he let me do his last interview that he ever did in public

on ESPN.

We took Mary Lou Retin, who revolutionized sports for the women,

Ray Leonard, who patterned his whole life after

Ali.

Carl Lewis, who is still the most decorated track and field Olympian with nine gold medals.

And we went the night before Michael Phelps, we went up to Stanford.

We went the night before Michael Phelps left for the Greece Olympics in 2004.

He'd never won a medal.

Right.

We bet on him.

And we did an interview, the five of us, America's greatest living Olympians.

And at the end of it, Ali's last words, we had a torch flown in from Athens, just like Ali lit the torch in 96 in Atlanta.

We had the torch in.

Ali got up out of his chair, handed the torch to Michael Phelps.

He said, I'm the greatest, you're the latest.

It's up to you.

Go win all those medals.

Wow.

That's dope.

That was 2004.

That was Phelps' first Olympics.

His first Olympics was Sydney.

Sydney, okay, yeah.

He finished fifth.

He didn't win any medals, and then he went ahead and won all those medals.

Beijing went on.

Beijing is a chief.

He's right back, yeah.

To London and the top of the

Rio.

Yeah.

Finished up.

As long as you've been doing boxing, has there ever been a boxer that has been more media savvy, more creative,

more charismatic as Ali?

Have you seen anything even close?

There hasn't been a person on the planet, Ocho, not a person on the planet, like this.

This was the most,

first of all, he was so accomplished.

Yes.

And he was excellent.

Okay.

So then he had that ability to connect with everybody.

He did.

And it didn't matter whether it was the chairman of the board or the janitor.

He had time for everybody.

I've never saw Muhammad in a hurry.

And I got to go all over with him.

And he looked you in the eye and he cared.

He cared.

It wasn't a one-way exchange.

And he had self-awareness.

So he knew what he meant when he he was talking to you,

and it meant something to him.

So, no, you know, him and Nelson Mandela are the most remarkable people I've ever met and been around.

Obviously, I didn't know President Mandela, but I got to interview him, but Muhammad Ali being around him was just total joy.

And Lonnie, I mean, just the whole, everything about him.

Jim, you mentioned that the accomplishments, and he was a great amateur, and he goes to in sixth in Rome.

He wins the gold medal.

And then, was that 63 that he beat Sonny Listen?

What year was that he beat Sunny List 19 yeah

well

when he shocked the world and then he had the rematch yes 64.

Yeah, yeah, and so when you you think of Lewiston Maine was the second one Miami the first yeah Lewiston Maine.

Yes when he would like

he would literally tell you what he was gonna do yeah, he would go do it people like how

he he's so and it turned some people off because we like athletes humble.

He was far from that.

Far from it.

Well,

he had a lot of detractors and you know his stance against the Vietnam War.

Yes.

Like, he was vindicated by the Supreme Court.

Correct.

But he wasn't vindicated by the public until they found out all the information later.

So the stand that he took was very, very unpopular.

In fact, we have the Hall of Excellence.

And Shannon, thank you so much for coming.

Tom Brady and I opened a museum here in the Fountain Blue Hotel.

And we have his gloves from George Savagho.

And the reasons those gloves are so important.

He wasn't given a license to fight in America.

He had to go to Canada to fight George Chavagho.

And he called it his toughest fight ever.

and he won the fight.

But Ali

stood up.

He had a social conscience.

He stood up for black America.

He stood up for all of America and he stood up for those who couldn't speak.

And he had a voice and he was braggadocious.

And you know, now we don't even think about it with social media and everybody's saying everything all the time.

But his words meant something.

All these other words right now, I don't want to say they're meaningless because we can't put people's words into that category.

Right.

But they don't have the same effect as it had back then.

Correct.

The funny thing back then is Ali did it,

and Jim, he did it at a time when it was frowned upon.

Where you're not supposed to have that kind of freedom, where you're not supposed to have that kind of platform, let alone power or voice.

That's so anytime Ali said something and he had such a way with words.

He had such a way with words and being able to put things together and

it was, I don't even know how to put it into words because I haven't seen anything like it.

That's why I asked you the question.

He was so good at what he did and he was self-aware.

That's the only thing I can think.

That's the only other word I can think of.

He was so self-aware.

You know what you can do?

You can't remember SmackDown in the 60s.

That's the SmackDab in the heart of the civil rights movement.

Yep.

But you know what else?

And you guys know this.

Yes.

What's the one thing you can't replace in life and that's likability?

Yeah.

Okay.

When you were in front of him, you couldn't help but like him.

You may have hated everything you stood for.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Okay.

But when you were with him, you were smiling, you were laughing, you were educated, you were all those things.

Entertained, inspired, everything that you want.

So

you couldn't help but have respect because you had to pay attention.

And when, and when, you know, you're likable, okay?

You're likable.

I don't know.

You can't put your finger on why.

Either you are or you aren't.

If you're not, you're phony.

Okay?

That doesn't mean everybody in life who's not, you know.

But I mean, there's that it factor or whatever it is.

You know, you smile.

Yes.

Here's Shannon.

Yeah.

Okay.

I'm not, and I'm not comparing him to Ali, but I'm just saying likability is very important.

Exactly.

It's probably the most important thing.

You know when you're great, when you're more popular in death than you ever were in life.

You look at Ali, you look at Dr.

King, you look at Malcolm X, you look at Abe Lincoln, you look at some of these great figures, and they were not, at the time they were living, they were never what they became in death.

It's an interesting concept.

You know, Nelson Mandela got to go over and spend time with him and interview him.

You know he was a boxer?

Did you know that?

No.

I did not know that.

Yes, and you know why they put him in the quarry?

They wanted to ruin his vocations.

They wanted to wreck his hands, so they put him in the quarry.

But he was a big fight fan.

And anyway, he had a fight over there in South Africa.

Anyway, got to spend time with him.

The great Larry King introduced me to him and took me to meet him and got to spend, and you know, he said that Maya Angelou wrote something for his speech on reconciliation, which is the most simplistically brilliant thing I'd ever heard.

He said, people will forget what you say and people will forget what you do, but no one will ever forget the way you make them feel.

When you you were with Ali,

you felt better about you and better about him.

Think about that.

How many people you walk away from in life today that when you leave them you say

that sure feels good.

Jim, this fight, you've been around some great fights.

I mean Sugar Ray and Marvin Hagler and the Tyson era when there's nothing like a heavyweight fight.

Do you notice the buzz with Canelo Crawford?

Is this what boxing kind of needed?

It needed it bad.

The institution needs this.

The best fighting the best.

Okay, yes, they're not both at the same weight, and Bud's taking a risk coming up.

He's not a huge risk coming up.

And he's also getting well compensated, and he feels that the risk is worth the reward, and the reward will be great if he can pull this off.

But it needs this.

Yes, we need the best fighting the best, and we don't have that so often.

You know, promoters and all these folks who get involved in this, you know, they've been provincial for whatever the reason.

And they've stayed true to their guys who they promote on their networks where they have licensing deals.

This has crossed all of these lines.

It's on Netflix.

The whole world can tune this in.

Yes.

The millions upon millions here and it's going to be over at the Legion Stadium where the Raiders play and at NFL Stadium it's going to be the biggest crowd in the history.

of Nevada to watch a fight.

And look who's fought here.

Ali's fought here.

Holmes has fought here.

Hagler's fought here.

Hearns, Mayweather, Pacquiao, Tyson, the great Mike Tyson.

I mean, so when you look at what this is, yes, the institution needs this.

The institution has has been suffering.

And now you've got Dana White and Turkey, and they're putting together this fight.

And by doing this, you know, it's bringing people to see the best.

We can't assess what the fight is afterward.

We can't say it's one of the great fights of all time until we see it.

Exactly.

So we don't know that.

I mean, I did a fight over here at Mandalay Bay.

Greatest fight I ever saw, Castillo Corrales.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, fuck.

There were 5,100 people there.

And they play that back now on YouTube and all over when we were back at Showtime.

It's the greatest fight ever.

Nobody thought that before.

So we can't say what this is going to be until

Saturday night at midnight.

So do you think the resurgence of the sport of boxing

is happening now because of Turkey's interest in the sport now and being able to make some of the great fights that we, myself, a huge boxing fan, do you think him being interested in boxing has allowed now boxers wanting to take that chance and and most of them not taking a chance because they don't want that zero.

Nobody wants to lose.

It certainly helped a lot.

But you know, the zero doesn't define you.

How many games did the Philadelphia Eagles lose last year?

Right.

How many?

I don't know.

What was it?

Four or five?

Yeah.

I can't remember.

We can't even remember.

Right.

Okay?

This isn't, you know, boxing should not have been.

Floyd ruined this sport.

Floyd Bayweather ruined this sport.

I don't mean that personally.

No, he didn't.

I love him personally, and I love his accomplishments and his achievements, and he was great to me.

He was great to Showtime, and I'm friends with him to this day and I admire and respect him.

But he ruined the sport because the only thing that mattered was the zero.

Yes.

Okay, and so what did that do to all of these other fighters?

Everyone else worried about the zero.

But we do that too though.

Because if a guy loses a fight,

we throw him to the wayside, not Jim.

Well, it's not the NCAA tournament.

It shouldn't be that.

I know.

Look at when Duran and Hagler and Hearns and Leonard and all these guys fighting each other all the time.

But we didn't criticize them when they lost.

When Sugaray lost to Duran, we didn't criticize it.

When Hearns lost to Leonard, we didn't criticize it.

When Hagler lost, we didn't criticize it.

These guys lose now.

If ShaCourse

lose now, we're going to criticize them.

If Tank Davis, why aren't you doing that?

Because

I've been following the fight.

I'm old enough to remember.

The 80s, when they had the four horsemen and they fought.

The best fought the best.

It wasn't no ducking and dodging.

In the 70s, the heavyweight Norton fought.

Foreman fought.

We didn't get mad at Frazier when Foreman beat him.

Oh, three times.

Well, no,

Foreman fought Ali three times.

No, no, Frazier fought Ali three times.

Foreman and Frazier fought once.

That was enough.

Yes.

He damn near went through the rough.

That was it.

But I can't tell you, but we didn't diminish what Joe had accomplished or what he could do in the future.

No, no, it was a setback.

But why do we do that, Jim?

Jim, you've been around this thing for 45 decades.

I'm not sure where all that turned, and I'm not sure why.

I can't pinpoint it.

And I don't really mean to blame Floyd, but Floyd is.

No, no, no, Floyd is great.

Floyd balls.

But think about where the zeros have only mattered in a career.

Think about that.

16, whatever, 14-0, then 17-0, Don Schuler, and the Miami Dolphins.

Yes.

Okay, so then that defined their lives.

Not that he was the greatest coach in the history with 347 wins.

It was the undefeated season.

So maybe it was 72.

He's the last one, 76, 1976 when it went undefeated.

The Hoosiers.

But you know who never defined it?

I don't want to interrupt.

You go ahead.

You know who never defined themselves by winning or never mentioned the word win once?

Never once.

Mentioned the word win to his team.

John Wooden.

Wow.

And he won.

What do you have?

Three undefeated seasons and 10 national championships and Bill Walton and Kareem and all these guys.

Jamal Wilkes.

You know what I mean?

I think the difference is the era of boxing that you're talking about, the era of boxing that you started out.

You think about the era of boxing that we're in now.

I think fighters are scared to take the chances because it ruins being the A side.

Having a loss or one or maybe two or maybe three, it ruins your purse, what you're able to command.

So I think it's the financial reasons on why they don't want to take those chances.

And I think again, with Turkey coming into the game now, Dana White being a part, and all the different sponsors and advertisers, I think more boxers are going to be willing to take chances against opponents that are just as skilled, that are not as flawed, and you're not fighting inferior opponents anymore, and you're giving the people, the fans, fights we really want to see.

I really want to see Shakur Stevenson and Tefomo Lopez.

Absolutely.

I really want to see that.

Well, you know,

here's what it is.

It needs a model that can work.

The other model hasn't worked.

If the other model worked, we'd still be on Showtime.

HBO would still be in the game.

ESPN wouldn't have gotten out of top rank.

You know, we wouldn't have what we have.

And so it needs a drastic shift to get to a place where we can see it.

And what happens when this doesn't work?

We don't have people coming up in the pipeline.

Right.

Like, because they can't get exposed.

So if you don't know any of these people fighting, why would you go buy a ticket?

Yeah, it's true.

So it needs this.

And so it's at the right time.

And, you know, and by the way, there's been disruption in everything.

Look at the disruption in television and streaming and podcasts and radio.

I mean, just look at how everything everything has changed.

So boxing has to go with it.

Yes.

And it hasn't.

And now the time may be right.

You know,

I hope so.

Speaking of great fights, speaking of boxing, there's a great fight coming up that I want to make sure that you're there to announce.

Unk,

I'm fighting on behalf of us, and I want to know your thoughts on Jim.

I want to fight Andre Ward.

10 rounds, three minute rounds.

What do you think is going to happen?

Wait, before you say anything.

You're going to wear your helmet?

No, no, no, no.

I'm not wearing my helmet, but I'm going to beat his ass.

Why?

What's the problem?

He has a punchable face.

Oh, my goodness.

So I just want to know how you think that fight's going to turn out.

Six months of training.

We're going to fight here in the next video.

That's a very famous saying.

Yeah.

I saw him on your show, so I want to be a good guest.

You don't play boxing.

No, you don't.

So you can't play boxing.

You can play football.

Yeah.

You can play baseball.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You don't play boxing.

No, you don't.

You don't.

I understand.

Think this one through.

Yeah, I did.

I did.

I talked about it.

Jim, let me ask you this.

If Crawford were to pull this off, where would you rank this as far as upsets in the world of boxing?

Wow, that's a good one.

That's a very good one.

Well, it's not Buster Douglas because the man's 41-0.

So it's not Buster Douglas against Mike Tyson, so it doesn't go up into that.

He's not Rocky Balboa.

Okay.

Some guy we never heard of.

We know Bud Crawford and we know he's great.

You know, perhaps it's Holyfield over Tyson.

Wow.

Perhaps it's Holyfield over Tyson, the first fight.

Yes.

Not the earbuding.

Yes.

Because I don't think anybody saw that coming.

No, no.

And Holyfield was an accomplished fighter who'd done great.

Yes.

You know, cruiserweight champion and so forth.

And, you know.

So

that might be a good comparison.

What about Roy Ruiz?

Roy moving up from 68 to and he ended up weighing at 193, gained 25 pounds.

He took the heavyweight title from John Ruiz.

I'm I'm trying to think of guys that have moved.

But Ruiz wasn't in the Canelo.

No, not even Canelo.

Right,

he'd won Moody B.

Right.

Deontay?

Yeah.

Or whoever he had beaten, Joshua?

Yeah.

Beat Joshua.

What about Sphinx over Ali?

Well, that was huge.

That was big.

That was big.

I'm open up the room with that.

Again, that was a guy who'd had very little fights.

Yes.

And, you know, he was an Olympic champion.

And so there was hope for him.

Yes.

And, but, but, but

Bud Crawford is huge.

Bud is really accomplished.

So

he's not in the Leon Spinks category.

No, no, no, no.

I mean, moving up in weight, look, it's tough.

And Canelo found that out against Bevo.

I mean, you know, look, he thought he was going to pick a fight that he was going to win.

All right, and the guy was bigger and stronger, and he had a better night.

And so that's a hard.

But

I kind of like Holyfield over Tyson because Holyfield was accomplished.

Right, yeah.

Handicap this.

What do you think?

You think it goes the distance?

You think somebody ends it?

Well, nobody's gone down, so I don't know what would cause.

I don't see how Bud Crawford can hurt Canelo.

I just don't see it.

He might out-box him, and he might out-point him, and

he might do all of those things, but it's hard to see Canelo going down to Bud Crawford, a smaller guy.

Right.

Now,

the interesting thing about this is Bud's three years older.

But he's only fought half as many rounds.

So he has, so Canelo has has so much more experience, but he's also been punished more.

Yes.

He's taken on.

And if you look back over the past seven years, you know, Canelo's, you know,

who's he beat?

But then you can look at Bud and you can say, who's he fought?

He fought Errol Spence after he flipped his car 19 times and he was damaged.

And this isn't to take away, because they're only fighting the people who are in front of you.

In front of you.

Right.

And so the people who are.

Yeah, we love to see we rewind the hands of time and put a prime sugaray, a prime marmigration, you know, Hearns and all those Durand, but that ain't happening.

You got to fight who's in your era.

And the era of fighters that we had in the 80s in that division, in that class, is just not there anymore.

See, we let the other one bake too long.

Floyd against Pacquiao.

That was the last big fight that we had, really, in Las Vegas.

You could say, you know, look, Wilder and Fury.

I don't know how Deontay Wilder, he hit that guy.

I still don't know how Fury got up.

That was Frankie.

He didn't flush.

He flushed.

But

that guy got up somehow.

I mean, Jack Reese helped.

Jack Reese literally counted to 23.

It was supposed to be a 10.

I mean, come on.

Who are you?

Who am I?

Where are we?

Where does your dad drive?

What car does your dad drive?

I mean, what are you asking all these questions?

You walk in and back and either you can get up at 10 or you can.

Either you can fight or you can't.

So Jack Reese, that was terrible.

Jack Reese did a terrible job that night.

But accomplished official, accomplished referee, but that was bad.

But you could argue that that was, you know, there was some compelling to that.

But we really haven't had anything quite since Pacquiao and Mayweather.

And unfortunately, that it just took too long.

And then Pacquiao had a bad shoulder, and Floyd won the fight.

Is that why we're getting all these exhibitions now?

Because boxing is missing, and we want those guys to be able to fight again.

And so we're willing to pay, we're willing to watch them way past their prime, a 61, 60-year-old Mike Tyson against a 40-plus-year-old Floyd Mayweather.

Or we get a Jake Paul fighting a Tank Davis.

Is that why we're seeing what we're seeing now, Jim?

You know, I'm always for you guys.

I'm always for the athlete.

Yeah.

So

I don't get into all of that.

I mean, Jake Paul has brought people to the television set that wouldn't normally come.

Correct.

Now,

he's becoming a better boxer, I guess.

Yes.

You know, I did his first fight

when Tyson fought Roy Jones during COVID.

You know, that was, and Mike put on a great performance against Roy Jones.

And, you know, that was a terrific exhibition for a guy, I think he was 55 at the time, Mike.

And so

that was cool.

And then Jake came on the scene that night.

He knocked out Nate Robinson.

He's a good one.

Yeah.

And

he's tried to enhance his growth, but he's fighting a bunch of people that

aren't really

in the genre of, he's fighting MMA guys and UFC guys and so on and so forth.

And now his next fight is against Tank.

I mean, there's

70 pounds.

I mean,

Georgia didn't even know if they're going to license it.

I don't know.

You know, we don't know what's going to happen with all of this.

So I guess it's good that he brings folks that he wouldn't bring so they get exposed to boxing.

But on the other hand, you know,

this is what the game is.

You know, the guys who've dedicated themselves

to the sport.

And,

again,

I'm not

against.

anybody doing anything for their livelihood.

So if Mike wants to fight, I hope he doesn't get hurt.

I want to say to you about Jake Paul.

I didn't know this, but Jake Paul had tremendous humanity.

He could have hurt Mike, and he backed off.

He could have hurt him.

And he had the decency and humanity not to.

All right.

So you heard it here first.

What?

Jim said it's okay to beat up Andre Ward.

Okay.

You need the money, you need to fight.

We're going to be here to support you.

You need to prove something.

Go ahead and prove it.

But guess what?

They gave you a helmet for a reason.

Jim, thanks for joining us, man.

Appreciate it, Jim.

Thank you for joining me.

Pleasure to be with you.

Broadcaster, thank you so much for joining us, Jim.

Thank you.

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Here he is.

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Here he is.

You want to fight him too?

Oh, you want to fight him?

Whoop his ass, Chan.

Came a plan, ladies and gentlemen.

I'm here.

What's up, bro?

You good?

Bro, thank you, too.

Todd, I got to sit beside you.

You going gonna come through?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Hey, Todd.

You want to fight?

Yeah.

Huh?

All right, let me know.

All right, ladies and gentlemen, we have Caleb Pleck

joining us.

Caleb, how you doing, man?

Man, doing well.

Appreciate y'all having me on.

Appreciate you coming by.

Obviously, we got Canelo Crawford.

We got Crawford moving up two-way classes.

Basically, he's only had one fight at 54, so basically, it's a three-way class jump because he's going from basically 47, skip 54, skip 60, going to 68.

What is your expectations in this fight?

Because everybody's like, can Bud take a punch when he feels Canelo's power?

Will he retreat or will he try to send something back?

How do you think this thing plays out?

Well, I think it's going to be a good fight.

I don't think it's going to be a snoozer.

I don't think...

You know, and if we were to take a guess at who would allow it to be a snoozer, we'd have to guess Terrence because he's in the lower weight class.

And when he gets hit, is he just going to get on his bike?

And that's just not in Terrence's DNA.

If he feels his power and thinks, man, I'm going to have to land something big or he's going to land something big, one of us has got to go.

Terrence is the type of guy who will go out on his shield respectfully because that's just the type of person there is.

And there's no amount, there's no stage that will,

you know, that he'll change course from doing that.

You know what I'm saying?

So I think it's going to be a great fight.

We thought we were going to get that type of fight with Charlo.

And it seems like when Charlo felt Canelo's power, all of a sudden he's like,

no, no.

But knowing Bud, watching Bud fight, that's not Bud's mentality.

Bud is going to push forward.

Now, I don't recommend standing in the pocket, but Bud can box.

And I think in order for him to win this fight, I don't believe he can beat him in a slug fist.

I believe he's going to have to outpoint him.

What say you?

I think that

the thing about Terrence is he can fight left-handed, right-handed, and

just as importantly, he can fight at long range, he can fight at mid-range, and he can fight at close range.

And, you know, what do I know, right?

But I think,

you know, I think it would be wise of Terrence that he's either going to be boxing on the outside or he needs to be all the way inside.

He doesn't need to be.

In between.

He doesn't need to be at mid-range.

And when he's on inside, he can smother, but he doesn't just have to do that.

He can fight on the inside.

He can box on the inside.

He can take angles on on the inside

but he needs to be close so he needs to either be all the way in or all the way out

and that's just my you know two cents on that but uh

at the same time you know

the saying there's a saying for a reason and it's that there are weight classes for a reason you know what I mean and as you spoke to Terrence only fighting once at 154 against Madramov which he won and now moving up two more but spending most of his career at 47 and 40 and 35

but with the greatness that he's accomplished and how great he is, and how great it's like,

where do you draw the line in the sand on the tipping point?

And that's what I'm excited to see.

If you could write the perfect story

with it coming to an end and you're controlling that ending,

where you are right now in your boxing career and everything that you've accomplished,

what else do you have left that you want to achieve

in that story?

I think

You know, I think children give us new perspective.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

And I got my.

Congrats.

Congrats, by the way.

I'm a daddy of three.

Got

two here with me.

And

I think it's important that we show our children that even if we stumble, even if we fall, that's no reason to stay down.

You know, you got to get up, you got to dust yourself back off.

And you got to keep going,

regardless of what social media or the world or your best friend is is telling you.

You know,

you owe it to yourself.

And so, just for me to

add to my legacy of accomplishing what I can, whether that's another world title or, you know, there's big fights out there for me that don't even, where a title is not even involved.

You know?

And so I'd love to be a part of those big fights.

You know, put more money in my bank account, don't hurt neither.

You know what I'm saying?

But

money's not my continuing reason.

You know what I mean?

It's about showing my kids and my children what you can do if you put your mind to it.

Do you think the addition

and the resurgence of Turkey Ali interest in boxing has changed the landscape of it, allowing some of the great fighters to take chances fighting other great fighters?

Yeah, I mean

if he's trying to bring it together as a whole and one,

where there's not other companies,

is that what you're speaking to?

Yeah, in a sense,

in a sense, boxing fans like myself, it was very difficult for us to get the fights that we wanted to see.

Yeah, but so many fighters weren't willing to take chances.

They don't want to take any,

protect the zero.

Yeah.

But Turkey's not going to be able to change those fighters' minds.

Don't think so.

It's up to the fighter to decide that

I may lose my O,

but

me proving how great I think I am is more important than that.

And

I did that before Turkey got here.

And not that Turkey's not a great thing for boxing.

But I'm just saying,

him coming along

doesn't necessarily mean that he's going to be able to change everybody's mind.

He didn't change Terrence Crawford's mind because Terrence has been doing that.

He didn't change Usuk's mind because Usuk's been wanting to do that.

You know what I mean?

Yes, sir.

And so.

I like that.

I like what you said.

Yeah.

Chad, listen to what he said.

Greatness is not tied to a zero.

See, people have tied boxers.

A lot of boxers have tied greatness to undefeated.

Sugar Ray Leonard and Hearns and Hagler and Ali and Foreman and Frazier.

They fought the best because I believe I'm great.

Whatever happens, I believe I'm great.

And if you think you can beat me, then let's get out there and roll the dice and see.

Let's prove it.

Let's prove it.

And,

you know.

Not all there's fights before let's say before turkey came along there's fights that haven't gotten made

Some of those may be because of powers that be, but I can assure you that a lot of it is because there's certain fighters that don't want to get in there and be proven wrong.

Right.

And they're only going to fight fighters who they know they can prove themselves right against.

But that's not greatness.

Right.

That's the witness protection program.

If you think about it, it's like, you know what?

I can fight somebody that really challenged me, and there's a chance I could lose.

And I could lose.

I can make 20 billion, or I could fight this guy I know I can beat and make 12.

Give me that 12.

Yeah.

Give me that 12.

And in the meantime, I'll continue to grow my brand as a fighter, my personal brand.

You know what I mean?

And by the time I do lose, I've made $300 million.

I'm cool.

I'll just walk away.

Do you think one of the reasons that fighters don't want to take a chance of having a zero, do you think it affects them being A-side, affects their purse, affects the kind of money they're able to command when it comes to big name fights?

Yeah, there's fighters out there.

Like, for instance, you know, I lost my last fight.

I'm still one of the most popular fighters in boxing, right?

But you're a draw.

You're different.

But I'm a draw.

You're a draw.

I'm not saying my team is doing this to me.

By no means am I saying that.

I'm saying there's other people out there who work in boxing who will tell a fighter,

we'll try to convince him otherwise.

Oh, you lost, so you're not a big draw.

So now we're going to pay you this instead of that.

When you do put asses in seats,

and again, I'm not talking about me personally, but there's people out there who try to convince fighters otherwise.

So that's one reason

they try to play it safe.

Okay.

Is there a fight out there that you want?

That ain't a fight, man.

Yeah, it is.

Is it?

Yeah, why not?

Get the people what they want.

Ask the chat.

That's what they want to see.

Caleb playing versus Ocho.

That's what they want.

Yeah.

Don't think so?

I ain't heard it.

I ain't heard it.

But you, he listening for it.

I mean, hey, we can make it happen.

He said we.

I train

I train with him

No, I'm saying I train tell him we train again ran his ass out the gym on day one

day one.

Yeah, yeah, I just listen.

I'm I'm just I

You gotta build up and you gotta go in camp in different camps so I can I can I can so you take a little something.

No, but that's something that I respect about Ocho is you know like

He's accomplished everything and done everything that he has in his respective field and then for him to come over to such a

dangerous treacherous

and

really care about the fighters and really come be a part of our camps and not just talk about it, but get out there.

And I've seen him do road work with fighters.

I've seen him sparrow with fighters.

I've seen him, you know, hit the bag.

And

a lot of us were in positions where that's like the only way we could even stay alive.

Right.

But it's the same for him.

You know what I'm trying to say?

It's like, I can appreciate someone who can come from a different field and not have to be a part of the box.

He's got to do that, but he's out there doing it.

And he's in the trenches.

He's been in the trenches with us.

Yeah.

Taking it serious.

But he still stands no chance.

Zero.

Nah, I'm going to fight Andre Wards.

Yeah?

Yeah.

No, he's going to.

Say what?

You're not on my side?

I didn't say that.

I'm going to keep my comment.

Okay.

What are you about to say?

This fight, Canelo Crawford.

This is...

you know, a fight that people really want to see.

And we haven't had a whole lot of those, Caleb.

Is that why you think we're seeing a lot more of the exhibitions?

I asked Jim Gray this earlier.

We're starting to see a lot more exhibitions and guys making $10, $15, $20 million doing exhibition.

So you better have to go in there to exhibition.

Would you get in there with Jake Paul?

Yeah, I mean.

That wouldn't be fair.

But you killed Jake Paul, man.

No, I do want to say something about Jake, though.

He's bringing eyes.

It's similar.

Somewhat to me talking about Ocho, you know,

everything he's accomplished, everything he's done, all the money he's made, and then for him to step into a sport like boxing and put that work in with people like Coach Wade and Jay Leon and all them guys, he doesn't have to do that.

And I thought, man, he lost to Tommy Fury, like we're about to find out if he really wants to do this or not, or if he was just riding the wave.

And sure enough, he stuck around.

And, you know, he doesn't have amateur experience, so he is using some of these guys to gain that experience as he steps up.

But, you know, you do have to tip your hat to a guy like that.

Right.

But if your fight, so

this is the biggest fight we've had in a while and we don't get big fights like we used to.

We used to get big fights damn near every other month at least two to three times a year.

This might be this might this is the biggest fight that we've had in 25.

So who would you like to fight that you know it's like okay man

We're gonna come out man.

We need to see this we need to see this Caleb Plant fight.

We need to see this is what we need this is what we need to tune in for yeah, I think uh me and Berlinga.

Yeah, you know, that's the fight that I've been calling for.

You know, I think me and Charlo, you know, that's another fight that people have been calling for.

Yeah, I like that.

Where's Charlo?

Jamal.

Jamal Mal.

Yeah, 160, and now he's moved up to 68.

And belt or no belt.

You know, that's a big fight.

Because it's the fighters who make the fights big.

Correct.

That's a good one.

But a lot of times people think, well, if I ain't fighting for the belt, why the hell am I fighting?

But it could be great.

You're fighting for legacy.

And, you know.

My dad used to say people like, legacy or money?

The legacy fights are the big money fights.

Is this a legacy fight?

How much money do you think is attached to this fight?

All my biggest fights, all my legacy fights have been my biggest money fights.

You can get both, but they try to frame it like legacy or money.

Right.

You can get one, you can get both in the same night.

Yeah.

I mean, if you go back and if you look at all the historically what we think are great fighters from Sugar Ray Robinson to Muhammad Ali to Sugar Ray Leonard

Armstrong, whoever they lost.

Birdo Durant got about what, 16 losses?

Yes.

He done?

Horsehands?

He went, Durant went like 85 and 0 and then he started losing.

But when you look at it, though, Caleb, when you look at these guys, is that the O has become so prevalent.

And Floyd, and so now everybody thinks they're going to be Floyd Mayweather.

Even if you retire undefeated, people are not going to look at you like they look at Floyd Mayweather.

And not to mention you messing up right off the rip if you're trying to be somebody else.

Because guarantee, you know, you guys probably had influences and people, guys, you looked up to in the NFL, but you weren't trying to be the

Shannon Shark.

You were trying to be Ocho Cinco.

Yes.

And if you, you know, spent your whole career trying to be this guy, trying to be that guy, we wouldn't even be talking right now.

You're correct.

You're right.

You're right.

You'd be making me a hamburger right now.

Ain't that right?

So you won't plan.

We can put this together.

I can have my people call his people.

We could put a five-round extra piece.

That's disrespectful.

I've been doing this for six years now.

You can't even count to five.

Ten.

You want ten rounds?

Okay, we do ten two minute rounds.

Nah, ten?

That's disrespectful to the sport.

Look, we'll do one-minute round, three-minute rest for you.

Nah, I don't need no rest.

I ain't stopped training since we trained here in Vegas.

I still be going, yeah.

I'm on years six.

So, what weight are we gonna fight at?

How much you weigh?

We can catch weight.

What you weigh?

Right now?

Like 2:30?

You lying.

I am.

You lying.

Feel my arm.

You got a string hanging from your shirt.

Oh, that's your arm.

A string hanging from your shirt.

We do 68.

68.

He can't get diabetes.

I mean, he 185.

He might only do 75.

Can you meet him in the middle?

I'm 205.

No way he can make a 68 with a noggin like that.

Nah, he ain't making no 68.

He wouldn't make that.

75.

He's probably about 88 now, so he might come to 75.

He ain't going to US.

230 or 205.

I'm going to focus on Andre Ward.

I'm going to focus on Ward.

You won't even make it to me, brother.

So if you have to handicap this fight, it goes distance, somebody ending it.

I mean, so we go into the scorecards.

How does this thing play out?

Man.

He got outboxing.

That's it.

He's going to have to be all the way in, be all the way out, be smart,

not exchange in the mid-range too much.

And

it's hard to say.

You know, for me, I always give the boring answer of we're just going to have to see.

But when you have two great fighters in there,

you can guess what you think might happen, but that's really all it is at the end of the day.

You know what I'm saying?

Terrence had a fight like that before with somebody.

No one could guess that things were going to go down like that.

Him and Spence.

You know what I'm saying?

You can guess, but

broken clocks are right twice a day, right?

So

I think it's best that we just let the fighters get in there and show us

what it is.

I like it.

The question that everybody asks.

Can he take his power?

Once he feels his power, will he retreat?

Canelo, I mean, when was the last time Canelo stopped somebody?

And people are like, well, can Canelo stop somebody?

But normally Canelo is fighting people at 68.

He's fighting people, you know, 68 or above when he fought Bobo.

But now he's fighting a much smaller man, and he feels that he can sit down even more on those punches.

And does he try?

Like, I can really, really make a name for myself if I get Bud up out of here.

Yeah.

And there's a chance of that happening.

I think that's why so everyone's intrigued.

Now, is it going to happen?

We don't know.

Now, another thing is, you know, Canelo's got a great chin.

He's been hurt by Miguel Coto's brother like 15 years ago, but he hasn't been rocked much since then.

I was about to say that Canelo can't clip.

I mean, Crosser can't clip Canelo.

He can, but we also have to remember, even though Canelo is the harder puncher, it's not, in boxing, it's not about who's the harder puncher.

It's about who lands the harder punch.

Right?

In timing.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Because he had some battles with Golufkin.

Golufkin hit him with some.

How he didn't go down from some of those shots that Triple G hit him with.

I still don't know.

And, you know, even like Berlinga saying, he hits harder than Canelo.

But when they fought, he didn't land the harder punch.

That's right.

Correct.

Right.

You know what I mean?

And landing the harder punch takes time and distance, rhythm, IQ, you know, traps, setup.

So

just because you hit it.

You walk somebody into something, move it in a direction, and you catch them clean.

It's a shot that you're hitting.

Anthony Durrell hits harder than me, right?

Right.

So,

okay, Laplaire, ladies and gentlemen, he said, hey, you're going to have to watch this fight to find out who wins.

But he said he can take Ocho.

Easy work.

Easy work.

Two minute rounds.

Ten two minute rounds.

Five two minute rounds.

Boy, good to see you back.

Yes, sir.

All right.

230 my ass.

I am hard.

You're going to feel it?

No.

I'm in shit.

What you about 75?

180?

He pushed it on 190.

Really?

He was 195.

Now I'm 205.

Come on.

Oh, yeah.

I'm in shape.

You might be like 240.

You're supposed to challenge him to the run club.

Huh?

You're supposed to challenge him to the run.

Pick up the mic.

In the morning?

I can go.

No, we got a run club.

By L.A.

I could do it.

Okay.

Next weekend, and we got one at the end of October here in Las Vegas.

It's a couple days before Complex Con.

How many miles?

It's 5K.

3.1.

That's good.

At our own pace.

It's for the community, brother.

I like that.

I'll come.

All right.

I'll come support.

I'm going to hit you up.

Oh, I'm so glad you're here.

You have a

Revenge Tour leather jacket?

I mean, the best.

Vest, yeah.

You like that, huh?

I text you.

Can I have it?

I want to wear it to the fight.

Revenge tour, baby.

Plug it in.

What is it?

Revenge store.

I'm going to get you right.

No, I'm serious.

I want to wear it to the fight if I can.

I'll pay for it.

Okay.

All right.

Actually, I only got one.

The rest of them are

not in the city.

Okay.

All right.

I'll wait.

Not till Saturday.

They don't get here in time, but I'll have you one before the end of the year.

All right, I got you.

Yeah, on me.

On me.

Appreciate you, bro.

I'm paying.

I'm paying.

I'm paying.

Thank you.

Appreciate it.

Appreciate it.

For real.

What Tarva?

That was Caleb playing, ladies and gentlemen.

Ocho,

I don't think you're going to make it.

Where Tarva?

You see him?

Oh, yeah, he had the table over there.

I'm intrigued.

I'm excited.

Caleb Plant says, look, he needs to be all the way out or all the way in.

Nothing mid-range.

Nothing that

he can find himself on the end of a punch that Canelo is set down on.

Yes, sir.

There's something to be said.

Canelo is the bigger man.

He's used to fighting at this weight.

I think the thing is that

fighting 12, three minute rounds at that weight,

walking around at 168 is one thing.

Being in a fight where you have to mentally focus in, which burns a lot of energy.

You got to move, which burns energy.

You got to throw punches, which burns energy.

Those are some of the questions that we're not going to be able to find out until Saturday night.

Yeah, yeah, until it happens.

Like Caleb said, you know, we can speculate, well, I think this or I think that, but at the end of the day, we're not going to know until team, round one, round two, where hopefully it goes far enough so we can see how this thing plays out.

And the funny thing, too, about the fight is Canelo, I'm sure he's watched film on Crawford.

Crawford has watched film on Canelo, and you can watch as much as you want.

And you get in there and it'd be completely different round by round.

Nothing is ever the same.

I think the the biggest thing is what Bud told us.

He says,

I watched tape, but I do realize this.

That guy is not going to fight me like he fought them

because those guys he were fighting isn't me.

Canelo knows Bud is not going to fight him like he fought those other guys because those guys aren't him.

He's never fought somebody

that out that, okay, when they go into the ring on Saturday night, Canelo might be 190.

Yeah.

195.

Canelo probably walks around at 195, 200 down pounds.

That's possible.

That's possible.

But a fighter style doesn't change.

No, no.

Even though you have a different opponent in front of you.

Tendencies, movement.

Yes.

All that stuff still stays the same.

Whatever skill set you have, it doesn't miraculously change from opponent to opponent.

No, that doesn't.

But how I'm going to fight that opponent.

And you do know styles make fights.

Yes.

I mean,

look.

You fighting a guy that's big.

Now all of a sudden

you're going up against a DB and he don't got feet.

Well, you're going gonna route him up all day long.

You understand?

Now, you got a little DB out there that's 170 pounds.

You're like, man, I'm finna do, I would do whatever I want to do with you.

I might get physical with you.

I might do whatever, because I can't.

I can't, and you can't do anything about it.

But a guy that's big and rangy and physical, you're doing everything you can not to let him put his hands on you.

Yeah.

Because that's the one thing, the advantage that he has.

If he touches you, now

you're not like Julio, Julio,

Brandon Marshall,

T.O.

They wanted the guy because

they wanted to do this.

Yes, yeah.

You, ah,

I'm dancing.

You're not putting your hands on me.

But it's going to be a very intriguing fight.

It's going to be a very, very interesting fight.

And I'm anxious to see how this thing plays out.

The one thing I do know,

Bud is in shape.

Yeah.

Bud is bud.

And I'm anxious to see.

He's like, look, I've been fighting all my life.

I've been hit before.

And that's the whole point of it.

The likelihood of you going into a fight and not get hit.

Only Roy Jones has only been in a fight one time, that's in Copy Box era, that's ever had a fight and didn't get hit.

But the likelihood of you getting involved in a fight, and that's the thing that makes fighting so interesting.

Because anything can happen.

Anything.

You get clipped,

it changes the whole trajectory of that fight.

Everybody has a puncher's chance.

Yes.

Yes.

And everybody has an idea or a plan of how things are going to play out.

But this is going to play out like this.

But then what happens if early on it's not going your way?

Can you still relax?

Yes.

And adjust.

So that's what's going to be interesting.

This is going to be interesting to see.

We're waiting on Tarb.

He's finishing up over there.

He's going to join us here shortly.

It's going to be it because here's a guy that

fought at...

Tarber fought at six.

I think Tarber broke in at 68, ended up going at light, went to light heavy.

So it's going to be very interesting to see how this thing plays, how it shapes up.

But

the buzz, you're starting to feel the electricity

of a fight of this magnitude.

You know, I don't know if you came to the Spence-Crawford fight.

Did you come to the fight?

I didn't, I didn't.

I came to the Spence-Crawford.

I saw that.

It was crazy, huh?

Yeah, yeah.

But people had wanted that.

People had wanted to see,

because you know, hey, 47, Spence was great at 47.

Bud, so we got two great fighters going lock and horn.

Right.

That's what we want to see.

I love what Caleb Plant said, is that sometimes greatness is not about a zero.

It's about putting, it's about legacy.

It's about fighting the best to prove.

Right.

Because you don't know.

You won't know until you get in there.

Until you get in there.

But again, his mentality is a little different.

He's taking those chances.

He stepped in with a Benavidas.

He stepped in with a Canelo.

Yes.

Other fighters at 168 or 154 or whatever it may be, they don't want to fight great on great.

They just don't.

And then they look at it, man, look at, I ain't lost.

Bro, but you ain't really fought with nobody.

Nobody.

Yeah.

We don't hold it against Ali.

We don't hold it against Foreman.

We don't hold it against Sugar Ray, Tommy Hearns, Marvin Hagler, Roberto Duran.

Sweet P.

Whitaker.

We don't hold that account.

People have to understand, their era of boxing is different.

That's like we talk about football.

Football was different back in the days.

When those guys you just mentioned were fight, the mindset was different.

This era, completely different area of boxing.

Money, with that level of money, has become involved.

That's why you don't see guys playing the preseason.

That's why they changed the training camp rules.

So, money, so much money has become involved.

Now, you're like, I'm not taking any unnecessary risk

with my players.

And so it's going to be very interesting to see.

Hold on.

Tom.

Oh, he was taking a foot.

It's...

Oh, he's getting ready to go to 520.

But

I'm pumped for this fight.

I wish more guys.

I would like to see Shakur and Teofimo Lopez.

I'd like to see Shakur and Tank.

Okay, yeah.

Listen, what I don't want to do, though, as much as I want to see the great fights, I don't want the great fights to happen too soon.

Because if the great fights happen too soon, then there's nothing to look forward to.

I want to see

Jeron Boots innocent and virtual Ortiz.

At some point, I think a fight of that magnitude is going to happen.

That's box office stuff.

And I have no problem with fighters continuing to build their resume.

So people want to see those big fights.

Oh, yo, these guys are in their prime.

What we waiting for?

I mean,

if Tank and Shakur fight right now, then what's next after the fight's over?

Hey, hey, who else is in that division?

I mean,

that's going to have that kind of draw.

Like, that's the cream of the crop when it comes to draws.

Think about when Sugar Ray fought with Tommy Hearns in 81.

It's 81.

We're in 2025.

But I'm saying they fought early.

Right.

And they fought and they kept fighting.

They fought.

Here comes the rain.

Here come Marvin Hagler.

So a one, two, and three.

Yes.

Okay, okay, okay.

But also, you have to understand the timing and when they fight.

Right.

To where you can maximize your purse, too.

Yeah.

So

it's a chess piece.

It's a chess match.

I think

that's what guys are doing.

They're maximizing the program.

Yes.

They're taking...

They're not...

Guys are unwilling to take a risk.

Yeah.

Yeah?

They're unwilling to take a risk.

And

if you're not willing to take a risk,

I don't know why you got in the sport then.

I need that zero.

I need to feed my family.

I need to take care of myself.

I'm going to take care of my wife, my kids.

I can't have a zero because if I have a zero, I mean, if I have an L,

one loss, or two losses, then I can't command the kind of money I want to.

I won't be the A side.

I won't be able to pick and choose who I want to fight, when I want to fight.

All that changes once you lose.

Unless you are a draw.

There are certain people, win or loss, you're a draw.

Yes.

The people just want to see you fight.

That's like Tyson.

Yeah.

Even after he got beat by Buster Douglas, people still was paying.

He was still getting $25, $30 million a fight.

Yes.

When he lost to Holyfield the first time, guess what?

Even after he lost to Holyfield and he got suspended, they still paid big-time money to see him fight Landis Lewis.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

You know who else is a drawer like that?

Who that?

Adrian Brono.

When Brono was losing.

Yeah.

He was still a drawer.

He gonna put butts in the seat.

Whether you like him or not.

Chat.

Chat.

Whether you like him or not.

Adrian Brona will put butts in the seats.

It's exciting.

For one, he's gonna lead you with the talk.

Yeah, you never know what's gonna happen because it's unpredictable.

Yes.

So, I mean, it is what it is.

I hope my young bull gets himself together, man, and get back in the ring.

Well, that's where they got amped over there.

I thought that was a

somebody was getting amped to throw some bows.

But uh,

so today is what today is Thursday.

Yeah,

so we tool, you know, 48, 50,

but basically 60 hours.

60 hours away.

60 hours from the fight.

I'm excited.

So it's been, it's interesting.

Basically, it's like the Super Bowl.

It's like all the work, all the training camp,

all that's done.

So now

look, hey.

Get off your feet.

You know, you're relaxing.

You're monitoring your weight.

Yeah.

You're monitoring your calves that you're putting in.

The weigh-in's gonna be, what?

The weigh-in is gonna be Friday.

You're going to the weigh-in?

The weigh-in's gonna be here, aren't they?

Oh, is it here?

I don't know.

I don't think it's gonna be at Allegiance.

It might be at Allegiance.

It's too many people come to the weigh-in for it to be at the beginning.

Yeah, true.

It'll probably be at Allegiance.

It'll probably be at Allegiance Stadium.

That's gonna be nice.

I know that that's probably such a tedious process too.

Once you come out of camp, like a week, maybe a week before the fight, you tone everything down and you're relaxing.

Yes.

That got to be tedious.

You got to watch what you eat.

You know, you can't, you know.

You're drinking.

You know, how much water you're in.

They probably load up, probably like, and then all of a sudden they just gradually take it down.

Take it down?

Yeah.

And that's why, you know.

They're not doing a whole lot of talking.

They just, now you just, it's that mental focus of getting ready.

You know, you're trying to play this thing out in your head of what's going to actually happen, you know, the trap I can possibly spring here.

I know where he's trying to lead me.

And that's the thing, I mean, because you constantly,

you can't have one slip-up.

One slip up and it turns your life out of the building.

Yeah.

You got to be on your P's and your Q's for basically you got to be sharp.

Yeah.

The whole thing.

You got to be sharp.

And the thing, you're thinking one thing and he might be trying to walk you into the trap.

yeah.

And you know what the funny thing is, too?

What I love about boxing, if you pay attention and you understand what fighters are doing when you're watching, is you can set a trap in the first round, and it really won't try to execute it to round four.

Yep.

I love it.

Canelo has some tricks that he, he's a savvy veteran.

He has some tricks that he does.

I'm hoping Bud doesn't fall for it, always stay up in the high guard.

Because the first thing people do is when some of the stuff that Canelo does,

he had thought it out there.

Because the first thing you do is you flinch the opposite way and wish that goes.

It's just no stuff like that.

That's the thing.

They're going to be trying to faint.

Bud is an outstanding boxer.

Bud has power.

And when Bud gets you in trouble.

Yeah.

Oh.

He sees blood in the water?

And we saw that with Spence.

Yeah.

But Spence is a smaller man.

Can he get Canelo in trouble?

Yeah.

And if he gets Canelo in trouble,

can he pull the plug and turn the power out?

Hey,

I'm thinking about some of the bigger fighters.

Triple G.

Triple G.

Triple G hit him with some shots.

I still don't know.

It was like Rock of Sock and Robot.

Man, I thought,

you remember Rockaba Robot?

Yeah.

Yeah.

When he can sit like the other one.

Yeah, you pop his head up.

Yeah.

I was like,

hold on.

Baval hit him with some shots when he went up to 175, and he didn't go down.

Nope.

He didn't go down.

And he's a much more powerful man, a much bigger man.

But here's the thing:

they can't put shots together like Crawford.

No, no, no, no, no.

So that's the thing.

In the process of hitting him, now maybe then he doesn't pack, maybe Bud doesn't pack the punch.

Right.

But instead of one shot, what if he lands three or four yards?

But then also, you think about someone landing three or four shots on Canelo whose defense is elite, whose head move is elite, even though he's not swift with his footwork, but he's great defensively.

Right.

Very great.

So,

it's going to be interesting.

I mean, you hadn't seen a whole lot of people put three, four shots together on Canelo.

Because if you go back and look at Floyd, when Floyd was catching and Floyd was one, two.

One, two, yeah, that's it.

And out.

Floyd was like one, two out.

Because the thing is,

if you hang too long, you're going to get bit.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So, hey, let me throw this one two.

move out of harm's way.

Yeah.

I'm excited.

I think everybody's excited to see this.

It's been a while since we've had something of this magnitude.

And then, guess what?

And we're back tonight, Ocho.

We got nightcap tonight.

We got

a greater commanders, Commanders, Packers.

Commanders, Packers, that's going to be a really good game.

That's going to be a really good game.

A really good game.

A really good game.

Do we have any?

But if if you and plus Ocho

the question that I have

Bud really hadn't fought but like

Bud fought he fought Spence in July of 23.

Yeah, he fought this other fighter.

So he's only fought twice in two years.

Yeah, but I think for someone like Bud a fight a year is good A fight a year is good.

I would think depending on us unless you're trying to stay

unless you're trying to do tune-ups, continuously tune-ups, until you get a big fight, not that much damage.

Nah, no, no, no.

At this point, now Bud is beyond tune-ups.

When Bud fight,

it has to mean something.

It has to make sense.

It needs to be a huge payday, or there needs to be a title attached to it.

And he's looking at it.

I'm looking at guys, he's looking at guys 47.

Yeah.

Who am I going to fight at 47?

I'm not going down to 40 because, you know, tank and shakur and boots and roads.

Come on, man.

Yeah, and they're not coming up 147 to see me.

And I don't even know if Bud wants to be at 147 anymore.

He might want to step to 54, but ain't no money.

Who is at 54?

No money.

Who at 54?

Well, ain't no money.

There's some fighters at 154, but not the purse.

But here's the thing: who is he gonna fight?

Because he just ain't gonna just fight some.

What's up, baby?

Antonio Tarva.

I'm gonna beat him up.

I'm gonna beat his ass too.

What's up?

I'm looking for an exhibition, bro.

I think we good.

Yo, you good?

How you doing?

Oh, Joe, we can announce this shit right now.

We can announce this right now.

10, two-minute rounds.

Hey, fuck what you need to do.

Three minutes.

Three minutes.

Three.

Three.

Yeah, yeah.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Listen, he done showed me too much.

I used to train with Tarva, too.

Yeah.

I trained with everybody.

I'm good, too.

Yeah, I appreciate it.

That's how I know I'm with you.

Okay.

You see right here.

My man, I appreciate y'all.

Appreciate you.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, what's up, baby?

Hey, I'm just doing them back.

You feel me?

On that desk.

I'm excited, bro.

Two of the best fighters in the game today, Blood Nunn.

Yes.

Undisputed, pound for pound.

This is it.

Yes.

You feel me?

Man.

I'm expecting the unexpected.

Yeah.

Really?

I'm expecting the unexpected.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

I'm expecting the unexpected.

Talk me through how you expect the unexpected because we know what Canelo can do.

Bud is coming up to weight classes.

They have weight classes for a reason.

You know I understand the game based on what you taught me.

The work we've been in the past few years.

So I got a better understanding of it.

Why are they weight classes?

Why do you expect the unexpected?

Skills, technique, all that.

I think it trumps the weight.

I have a question.

I think it trumps the weight.

We've seen Canelo get out-class in a boxing clinic offensively and defensively when he fought Floyd Mayweather.

Yes, yes.

That's a different kind of skill.

I haven't seen any skill like that.

The closest thing I've seen to that, no disrespect to Bud, is Shakur Stevenson.

Right.

Okay.

Defensively and offensively.

Okay.

Do you think Bud has the type of skill set to be able to get in there with someone at 168 and be able to pull off something similar to what Mayweather did to Canelo, even though their style of fighting is different?

Yeah, yeah.

He's the two-fisted monster, bro.

That's the thing.

You don't know if he's South or Orthodox.

No, he hitting, he's knocking you out with right and left.

He's a natural South Paul, but he got power in the right hand,

and that's so unique, bro.

I was a hell of a South Paul, yeah, but everybody knew it was in my left.

Can you imagine if I had him worrying about the right two?

Right, so I think that is something that Canelo hasn't experienced before, you know.

Right.

Um,

and and and Terrence can punch Now,

he doesn't weigh as much as Canelo, but the way he look, could he possibly be stronger than Canelo?

Because we know he cocked strong anyway.

Anyway, he's wrestling with you, remember?

You feel me?

Yeah.

So once you feel that innated strength, bro, you know it's something different.

It's something different.

But also, you think about what Canelo's been through.

You think of some of the wars Canelo's been through.

He's been full career since 14, 15 years old, professional.

Right.

But then you think about the punching power that Bud might possess.

Can't he even hurt Canelo based on what we've seen when he fought Triple G, based on what we've seen when he put Baval, who pieced him up over and over and over, even with the slickness that he wants with the deep, he was still getting hit, hitting flush.

And we've never seen Canelo get defeated like that, where it seemed like he was outmatched trying to go up away class.

So do you really think Bud has

the power to really affect someone of that size who's been through some wars already with Triple G and Bavall?

If he can't hurt Canelo, it's going to be hard to beat him.

It's going to be hard to beat him.

If he can't get his respect,

you got to get this man respect in the first three rounds, or it's going to be nightmares anyway.

Coming forward.

Right, you got to give him something to think about, Shannon.

Because if you don't, you ain't going to be able to stop him.

You feel me?

Now, if Canelo is having success to the body early, that spells trouble for Crawford.

Because that body don't work.

You hit him early in the first round, you ain't going to start feeling that to round three and four.

You heard me?

But when you start feeling it, bro, you can be in the best shape.

But them body shots will take your conditioning away from you.

But see, now you got to be disciplined to do that.

And I think if Canelo is having success to the body, that favors Canelo.

If Crawford is making him miss and making him pay, that favors Crawford.

Now we got to see how it's going to play out.

Yes, sir.

With that being said, basically, the formula to bud winning this fight is basically just outboxing Canelo.

Mattador and the bull.

Bingo.

Mattador and the bull all day.

Yes.

You heard me?

Yeah.

Caleb Plant says, look, he can fight two styles.

He can be all the way in or he can be all the way out.

But stay away from the mid-range because the mid-range, you don't want to be on the end of one of those punches where he's sat down.

Canelo sits down on his punches because he's trying to get you up out of them.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Bud.

I don't know if he's fought somebody that can put punches together like Bud can.

That's what happens.

Buddha and Mayweather.

Right.

That's been a while ago.

That's been a while ago.

But Bud can put punches together, and Bud got power.

He got power.

We don't know if he has power to knock somebody that's 168.

That's a natural 168.

I believe

Canelo probably walks around at 195, 200.

He strips it down to 168.

But he's a walk-around man at 195, 200.

Wow.

Here's another thing.

Bud is a big bud stripped down to 147.

Back then, we could call him a weight bullet now because we know he was killing himself to make weight.

Look at his legs now.

Yeah.

You feel me?

I think he might be in his more comfortable weight right now.

I do too.

What I told people when I see Floyd, they say, man, Floyd, I say, Floyd is a naturally small man.

Floyd losing five pounds to make 147.

He 150 to begin with.

He didn't make weight in two days.

Because Floyd trained year-round, and he's not a naturally big man.

So he didn't allow himself to fluctuate

to go from 147 and then two days later he was 75.

Floyd was a naturally small man.

so he never had to kill himself to make weight.

Now I agree with you.

I don't believe Bud is having to kill himself to make it to 168.

He's coming down from 190 to go to 168 is a whole different thing from 190 to 145.

Yeah, night and day.

Yeah.

Caleb, Caleb, like I said, Caleb said, stay on the outside, stay either all the way in, in the pocket, smother the punches, smother the punches.

Yes, yes, be at a distance.

Just be on the all the way on the outside.

Nothing mid-range.

If you were in Crawford's corner, after the first round, you see how this thing, because it's going to be interesting because everybody can have an idea of how it's going to play out.

But you won't know.

Obviously, you want to feel each other out.

But after that first round, you have a pretty good indication of how this thing's going to go.

Right.

What would you tell?

If you were in Buzz Corner, what would you tell him?

It's important that we're going to have to make Canelo miss.

I'm coming on my defense.

I ain't running, but I'm using my defense, making him miss and making him pay if I can.

But it's important that he don't get greedy.

Yes.

Get yours and get on out of there.

Pick and choose.

You can't stay too long because this boy got popped.

Stay off the goddamn rope.

He got to stay off the rope.

Oh, yeah.

You can't see him on the ropes at all, bro.

Now, Canelo do a lot of good work in the center of the ring.

Everybody think he's just a pressure fighter.

But look at how he set that upper cup up against Mungea.

Yeah.

And then he knocked Berlanga down with that left hook.

Quick, bro.

And so you can't let him line you up with one shot.

That's one thing Crawford ain't gonna be able to do.

He gotta see everything coming and anticipate everything coming.

Don't get set with one of them traps that boy.

The thing is, like, when you watch, I've watched great defensive fighters.

And Crawford got good defense.

I'm not saying he sweet Pete Whitaker.

I'm not saying he Floyd Mayweight.

But

guys would throw a punch, and Floyd is already moving, and he's already doing this because he knows he's gonna know what comes with this.

He's coming back with this,

I'm out of here on back.

That's what Bud's gonna have to do.

But Canelo don't really piece together, he's not three, four, five punch guys.

He's sitting down on one, he's trying to get one at one or two.

Yes, yes, it's a hard one or two.

Oh, they hurt.

He's trying to hurt everything, he's trying to break everything.

The question is,

is that

Tar walking around at a weight is one thing.

Yeah, being mentally sharp takes conditioning.

Moving takes conditioning.

Throwing punches take conditioning.

The question is, is Bud going to be able to sustain that for 12 rounds if necessary?

He can if he's not getting touched to the body early.

Yeah.

You feel me?

He's going to have to protect himself from the body shots, bro, because that's going to take your conditioning.

Now, if you can't move, it's problems.

Yeah.

It's problems.

So if you see Canelo going successfully to the body early, that spells trouble for Crawford.

So you said he can't be on the ropes.

He can't be in the center ring.

So he basically got to run.

I mean, his advantage is in the center of the ring.

He got to give him angles.

Yes.

Don't run, but give him angles.

Make him miss and make him turn into you.

That's the matter door in the book.

Turn into

something.

There you go.

Because we thought this, man, we thought this with Charlo.

And then Charlo felt that power.

And I don't want none of this.

And that's still got to happen.

He's still going to have to feel that power and accept the fact, hey, I'm going to have to go through this.

Yes.

But if that changed your game plan,

advantage Canelo.

But no, hey, when you was a little kid,

your mom, your grandma told you that was hot.

You didn't believe it.

You touched it.

Okay, I learned my lesson.

Now you said he feeled that power one time.

He still got to believe that ain't hot.

That's just my figure in my imagination.

Because if Canelo makes him make, and Bud's not wired like that.

No.

Bud, he'll, I tell you.

He's a wood face.

He ain't going to show nothing.

He ain't going to show that.

Bud, he'll have to knock Bud out because Bud won't walk.

Some guys you can make that quit.

And some guys you got to knock out.

Bud, one of them guys you got to knock out.

You got to knock out.

He won't turn it down.

And he won't turn it down.

He's not wired like that.

Yeah, the funny thing about it, when I think about the fight as well, Bud has to stay active.

There are rounds that Canelo takes off.

Five, like five, six, five through seven.

He takes off relaxing.

Those rounds, you need to be active and understanding he does it with everybody, no matter who he's fighting.

And then you have to be willing to take a punch to get one.

You got to.

You got to be willing to take a punch.

You got to pick and choose when to do it.

You're going to have to be punched am I trying to take, though?

That's the chest.

All of them ain't.

All the punches ain't the same, Carl.

I'm going to pick and choose when I'm dropping.

I ain't taking no uppercut.

I ain't taking nothing that I'm going to do.

That tiny shot, that little shot.

Oh, that's fast, no, bro.

Handy, you think Crawford got a chance?

I think he got a big chance

win a decision.

Now, if he can hurt Canelo,

that puts the knockout in a fight.

You know what I mean?

I want to get you out of here on this one.

When are we going to start seeing these fights again?

Because Roy didn't have to give you another.

Back then, the O was unimportant.

It seems to be now, the O is of the utmost importance.

I don't want to fight somebody because if I fight somebody with an O and I got an O and he got an O, that means somebody going to leave the ring.

They're not going to have the O.

And people are tying greatness, too much greatness, to O.

Everybody think they're going to be Floyd Mayweather.

But I want to share these boxes now.

Even if you retire undefeated, you're not going to be Floyd Mayweather.

I agree with that.

I think it's just, I never, bro, was trying to protect nothing.

I was trying to get it improved that I'm that guy.

I'm him.

And the only way you can do that is fight those guys ranked above you.

You feel me?

And if those guys ain't ranked above you, then what we doing?

I'm trying to move up.

And the only way I can move up is fight somebody that's ranked above me.

We don't got enough of that, though, Natar.

I know, man.

Something happened in the game where, I don't know, bro.

It's like,

you say risk over reward, but nobody's taking no risks anymore, bro.

You know what I like?

I like the fact that Turkey is now in boxing.

And because he's bringing such a bigger reward, people are willing to take the risk.

That's the first chance.

Yes, sir.

But here's the thing.

That's it.

Natar.

But here's the thing.

If I got an opportunity to fight somebody I know I can beat and I can make 15 or I can fight somebody that is a 50-50 chance and make 30, I'm gonna make that 15.

I hear you.

Because now you look at me, it used to losses didn't matter in boxing.

With Sugar Ray lost, with Hearn's loss, when Hagner lost, when Duran lost, when Folly lost, with Foreman, with Sweet Beef, it didn't matter.

It didn't matter.

Now, all of a sudden, if you lose, he ain't no good.

That's a lie.

I think Mayweather put that

he raised a ceiling on that.

And I think that's that's what everybody.

He's gonna be Mayweather.

I know, bro.

And like even Mayweather undefeated, though.

He's never been undisputed.

Right.

You feel me?

And if this man can win undisputed for the third time, bro, I'm giving him the GOAT.

I don't care who you is.

And the football there.

Peter GOAT, bro.

And he beat Saul Canelo Alvaran.

To do it.

Bro, got to take your hat off to him, man.

Legacy C Men.

Antonio Tarva, ladies and gentlemen.

Man, I appreciate you guys.

Thanks for having me.

Let me get on, bro.

Bring me the next one.

Whenever you're ready.

Whenever you're ready.

Get your feet, y'all.

Get you.

I got you.

You can do the recap.

All right, I got you.

I'm going to do the recap.

I got you.

My man, God bless yourself.

Stay up.

Good to see you, bro.

My guy.

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