LIVE from Las Vegas Part 2: Club 520 COLLAB, Devin Haney, Shawn Porter

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What's up, family?

I'm trying to line up against you.

Line up against who?

You.

You can't even beat me in your own sport.

Oh, shit.

Damn.

I be Gilly.

I'll be.

Everybody be calling you out there.

Yeah.

Everybody calling you out there.

I mean, Gilly wants some.

I mean, damn.

I seen even an all-star game recently.

Who?

He was fouling?

I ain't fouled nobody.

I fouled one time.

He said he deed him up.

Nah, he was fouling.

He fouled.

I fouled one time.

They called it one.

I had one.

I'll be back.

We see you, boy.

Oh,

had a triple single.

But with G-Row points.

They didn't need me.

I was a facilitator.

He was like Kuzma that day.

Who had you beat that you just called out, though?

I ain't seen no footage.

You talk about me?

Yeah, you.

I didn't beat D-Wade.

I'm talking about in his prime when we be the Heat.

I beat LeBron.

I beat Russell Westbrook.

I breathe Harden.

Who else?

I beat Carmelo.

I'm talking about really playing for real.

I thought you was playing 2K, my bad.

2K, what's that?

That's the hooping game?

Oh, man.

Don't do that.

I play Madden.

I'm on Hen, huh?

You take Hen?

What up?

No, you too.

He's way too low.

Nigga, too little.

He's too low.

Ways down.

He's green.

He's going right about us.

He's too little.

He's too little.

I'm 250.

He got a boxer body.

He got a boxer body.

How much you weigh?

250.

I was in the trenches when I was playing, so what are he going to do with me?

Nah, I'm going to put you right in the post on Joe.

Put him in the post.

You too love.

You too love.

This is what I'm doing.

What you talking about?

Hey, I'm from the trenches.

I'm talking about when I played.

I was down there with the big boys.

So he's talking about

putting me in the box, man.

Get your last out the way.

When you got hit by Ray Lewis when he tried to hit Ray Lewis and he was like, but I did that all the time.

See, I said, you remember that?

That was one time.

That's what he's going to do in the post.

He ain't right.

We can start there.

Respect me down here.

This fight.

Canelo Crawford.

Bud is the first guy, first male boxer in the Full Beth era to be a two-time undisputed champ.

We got Canelo.

He's dominated the 168, the super middleweight.

And this is what we have.

We got two champions.

We got two champions.

There ain't no, man, he okay.

He so, so, so, what's up?

No, we got two champions that's fighting.

Sir.

When you look at Bud, and Bud, this is the ultimate challenge for me.

Yeah.

He's going up three-weight lesson, which that don't normally happen over time.

Yeah.

I mean, we see Pacquiao started at 112 and all of a sudden he goes all the way up.

But that's over a period of 15 years.

Man, Bud's going three-weight last in a year and a half.

It's tough.

Yeah.

Bud with the knockout, man.

With all that being said.

Hold on, man.

Hold on.

I would love to hear this.

As much as I love the sport of boxing and love the sweet science, science, I would love to hear how the knockout happens.

There has to be a storyline.

It has to be a story to it.

It's just not going to happen.

He's going to catch him slipping.

Sweet chin.

He's going down eighth round, knockout.

We back to.

And I think why he said eighth round is because, as we know, if you watch boxing and understand boxing, by the time Canelo hits the seventh round,

he's deteriorating.

He's coaching.

And he's tired.

So you got Crawford in his foot?

Yeah, yeah, you know, I'm going with Bud regardless.

He might get tired at that weight, though.

That's the only downside.

For Crawford, yeah, because he's not used to fighting it.

That's the thing.

I think the thing is that when you look at somebody that put on that kind of weight, I don't think he put on that kind of weight, he just didn't have to strip all the way down.

Because Bud is stripping down, so basically, he's saving 21 pounds.

So, because normally he'd have to go down to 147, now he's only going down to 168, and he's coming down, let's just say for the sake of argument, he's coming down from 185.

But 185 to 168 versus 185 to 147.

So he,

but at the end of the day, the mental fatigue, because you got to stay sharp.

Canelo ain't to be played with now.

That's a fact.

You can say what you want to say, but he ducked Benavidez and he ain't want this one.

He ain't want that one.

He did dump Benavidez.

Okay, he dunked Benavidez.

But that boy folk,

but he fought Triple G.

He did.

I respect that.

And

Triple G hit him with some shots that a rock and sock and robot would have knocked his head off.

We all had rock and sock and robots.

and Triple G hit him.

Yeah, ain't do nothing.

That's the thing.

Can Bud

Can Bud put fear?

Like, I can't just walk up in there.

Nah.

Because

if he can walk through Bud punches, it's gonna be a long night.

And you gotta

do it.

For Bud, you gotta box smart.

Obviously, you can't fight.

This is not a person that you fight.

It ain't about ego.

It's about being smart.

It's about boxing,

being sharp, similar to to how when he fought Floyd Mayweather.

You're not gonna sit there in the pocket and engage with goddamn Canelo.

You can get yourself hurt.

You're not gonna do that.

He got to get his respect early.

Yeah, but it has to hit him with something to get his respect.

Be like, okay, I can't just walk through him.

He got some power behind that.

That's what Floyd.

People look at Floyd.

People like, man, look at Lil Floyd.

How many of the teams you people try to smuggle Floyd?

That's a fact.

Because when it comes to

that little Roscoe,

but

was that Mike Tyson?

No,

he's gonna have

that Mike

But here's the thing

about it How many how many of all the guys you fought and everybody say this is how you should fight Floyd, how many you see him walk through the punches?

No, no, no

Who's your box

like mine like is it like Canelo Carl?

No, I'm like Emmanuel Augustus.

Okay.

The drunken master.

Yeah.

Respect.

That's me.

Yeah, that's me all day.

When your next match, we're trying to get you on that football.

I'm trying to beat the fuck out of Andre Ward.

And he ducked me.

You know, Andre Ward.

I got a lot left in the tank.

I got a lot left in my tank.

What he like 40, 39, 40?

Yeah.

And he left the game with a lot on the table.

All right.

And no, I know.

Now I want some of them scraps.

So

we're going to put him on the t-shirt.

What you mean?

Put him on the t-shirt.

Oh, I mean, obviously, if you're going to put me on the t-shirt, it's going to be like Victorious winner, Lexi.

I didn't know Ocho could fight like that.

Boy, that break a hand.

We got this MMA fight first with him and Debo.

I'm gonna beat it.

I'm gonna beat his ass.

Got first.

Got first, man.

I love you, Chad, man.

Hey, come on, man.

The one thing we had, we, this is this is our problem.

We always look at size, we look at people that are massive, and we automatically think, oh, my goodness, who would want to do that?

Hey, he has a punchable face.

So, what I'm gonna do, I'm gonna punch it.

That's it.

And we're doing MMA.

He's so big, he can't even move.

30 seconds in, he's gonna be tired.

That's true.

He's gonna be tired.

30 seconds in.

He's gonna be running the fight.

No, he's gonna be running.

This is what what I do.

For Nightcast.

We're going to be missing some weeds.

Hey, you know what?

Y'all remind me of my teachers in high school.

They had no, they didn't believe in me at all.

You ain't going to be nothing.

Now here, rapper.

This is crazy.

That's what y'all remind me of.

With respect.

So I'm going to have to prove myself.

So when is that lined up?

February.

So.

So, oh, okay.

Yeah.

Yeah, and

that's right around the corner.

Make sure y'all there.

I'll be there for that.

Oh, we got there.

I'll be be there for that.

For sure.

You've been training.

Oh, yeah.

I'll be.

That's cool.

You look good.

You look good, man.

You look good.

Everybody got a plan.

Tell us about 520.

Yes, sir.

Obviously, it's 520 amongst a bunch of friends.

How did you guys come up with the concept?

Whose idea was this to say, hey, man, I think we ought to do something digital.

I mean, we boys, we love the game of basketball, we love sports.

Let's sit around and chop it up.

Just like we would do.

We go over to each other's house and we talk sports.

We talk hoops.

Who idea was to put this thing together?

Well, they had a podcast before.

I was still playing.

I went on their podcast.

Okay.

And it was fun.

We was chopping it up.

When I got done playing, I was like, I want to be a part of that.

And I had a club in my basement.

My address was 520.

And that's kind of how it happened.

We were just at the club chilling, talking, like we're doing now.

And we was like, man, this could be a podcast.

This could be fun.

But we started off.

We didn't talk about sports at all.

At all.

It was dark.

It was everything else.

Everything else but sports.

Nah, thanks for sports.

Because DJ really the wizard wizard behind everything.

He's the real media guy.

He got everything cracking.

He had a show called That's an Opinion Media.

Brought me on.

And then, like Bro said, when he got done, he came on.

And then once he got done, we just brought it together.

We already had the chemistry.

We didn't know it was going to turn into what it is, but it is what it is.

That's dope.

That's live.

You know, in order to be great at something, Jeff, you know, when you play sports, you got to put time in it.

And people think you just get a microphone, you get a camera, you just start talking.

And people become resentful because, you know, Andrew Schultz told me something.

He said, The easier it is to make money, the more envious people will become of you.

Because everybody thinks they get a microphone, the camera, and just start talking.

As soon as they see you have success, they become resentful of it, but they don't understand what you put in in order to become successful at what you do.

Have you guys run into that?

Man, man, they ain't all there.

I don't know how they get all them guys to come on.

They show me Jeff T,

he wasn't like that.

Yeah, I got that a lot.

I got that a lot.

Nah, but we just try to be ourselves for the most part.

But we get that, you know, man, it's so easy to do what y'all do.

But I tell them, it's kind of hard to recreate what we do because we all real friends.

We all name y'all.

And we just talk.

And everybody, like, we can do that with my friends, but I'm like, y'all don't have a.

Y'all don't have a B him, bro.

I tell everybody, you don't have a DJ.

These two dudes, they make the show.

My name probably got people to watch at first, but they keep them there.

And them two dudes, man, they crazy.

I just tell people, go ahead, man.

Man, you know, I was thinking about starting.

I said, go ahead.

Yeah, facts.

Well, how do you do it?

You said you were going to start a podcast.

You ain't asked me how.

Now you want me to give you the secret songs.

Get a camera, get a microphone.

What you want to do?

You want to tape it or you want to do it live?

Because you're going to need editors.

You're going to need graphics.

You're going to need social media.

It's a lot more, like I said, it's a lot more complicated than what you think.

And people just like, man, that's easy.

No, it's not.

Now, the hardest part people have, though, like you said, of course, you got to find the editors and all that.

But the biggest thing is, like, if you got a team, y'all schedules,

and then having enough stuff to talk about, and then just being consistent.

Correct.

Yeah, that's the biggest thing for real, bro.

But that's the thing because you, man,

I can't do that.

It's like when you start a workout party, man, we ought to work out together, okay?

Hey, man, what's up, man?

I'm running 10 minutes late today.

Man, man, I ain't gonna be able to make it today, man.

I'll catch you.

I'll say, you know what?

I'm be by myself.

That's right.

You talking shit.

No, no, no, no.

Now, he's trying to point at me like,

that's how you be doing.

Let's see.

Because he was trying to have a serious talk with a podcast.

But you're absolutely right, Henry, is that the biggest thing is consistency.

Now,

rewards consistency.

And it's hard to get people.

People don't understand pro.

This is a real job.

You don't get to call your boss and say, well, I'm going to take off the date.

That date, you don't know if you call people, it's like, hey, I'm running late, or you can't just not show up.

Yeah,

and I think the biggest thing is the hardest thing to recreate is chemistry.

Either you have it or you don't survive,

you can't fake it, too.

Nope, you can't fake it, you can't, but it exposes itself over time.

It will.

Either you have that, either you have that personal relationship.

And people think, well, man, that's just a class that you take in high school.

No, it's not.

No, it's not.

You either have that or you don't.

You have to understand how to play off of each other.

And the thing is, people like, I said, nah.

I said, I had interviewed Ocho for Club Shayshay once, and that was it.

When I started it, I called his agent, used to work with my agent.

He was in his office.

I said, man, man, hey,

man,

where's Ocho, man?

I said, I want to run something about Ocho.

He said, man, that's funny.

Ocho in town.

I said, really?

I said, man, can y'all meet for dinner tomorrow?

I mean, for lunch.

He's like, yeah.

So this was a Wednesday.

I called him on a Wednesday.

Bojo and I had lunch on Thursday.

I said, man, I'm thinking about doing this podcast.

You know,

I'm not with

Foxy anymore.

And I said, I was thinking about doing this.

We're going to go around, you know, after we're going to go night after the game.

So Sunday night, Monday night, Thursday night, we're going to go after the game.

Probably like 20, 30 minutes.

He's like,

I'm good.

He said, you want, you said, hey, you said, let's do it.

I said, all right.

So that Thursday, didn't have any idea.

Got a camera.

It didn't do no test or anything.

Hey, we lied.

This is what it is.

So we end up going like 30 minutes.

Like, what you think?

Man, I like this.

He said, all right.

And the rest is, as they say, history.

I mean, and people just, you know, us telling stories, him telling stories, him wanting to fight everybody, wanting to walk to everybody, want to play everybody.

I can't wait.

I say what he was late, though.

You got on his ass.

You talking about motherfucking being late.

Motherfucker, you was late.

See the camera, boy.

This man was, hello.

He called somebody to pick him up from the airport.

But I always do that.

The guy picked him up from the airport.

He locks his key in the car.

It's just Ocho saying, man, I really appreciate you, man, being there, but I got to say, Ocho sit there and wait with the man, waiting for the truck to go.

He took the time out to come pick me up.

So I just wanted to be, you know, respectful.

I said, what?

What about this?

So he wants to be respectful to the guy, but don't want to be respectful to his own.

So I was like,

Ocho is one of these guys.

He'll be right if you and him.

But publicly, man, I'm going to do my thing.

I'm going to do my thing.

Okay, Ocho, go ahead.

You're right, boss.

You're right, though.

But the chemistry that you guys have, the stories that, you know, Jeff, that you're able to tell.

People want to hear what it was like when you was in the NBA.

For sure.

People want to hear what it's like with Ocho and I played in the movie.

People want to hear that, those stories.

And that's what, you know,

I don't diminish anybody that didn't play a professional sport.

Because if you cover the game long enough, it's hard for you not to know something.

Maybe they don't know what you know.

Right.

From a pin down to a flare to the dunker spot and all that, but they know something.

You hooped.

This before I had two repairs.

You don't escalate people.

I'm a fucking escalator.

You ain't got a real boy in here.

I respect.

I'm an escalator off the court, huh?

That's all you got to eat.

That's all you get it in.

I'm trying to.

He's a hoop.

That's why I said you green.

Hold on, who's green?

It's a court down the street.

We can go.

You got the camera?

Yeah,

we have a 520 versus goddamn nightcap today, right after this.

What you trying to do?

I'm aware these.

I got a full roster.

I'm aware these.

They hooping Black Forces.

Yeah, man.

You got who?

Yeah, I'm aware these.

Jordan, you can hoop?

Oh, we got three on three.

What y'all trying to do?

That's a show right there in itself.

Yeah.

No, no, no, no, no, no.

We need to hoop.

Hey, Jordan.

Hey, we're going to put you with two children.

We're gonna put you down in the box.

You on here.

I got you.

That's you.

You got yeah.

Man, man, we're gonna wash y'all.

You got teeth?

Huh?

You got teeth?

Man, lock that nigga ass up, man.

So I'm going for 30, that guy.

So we good.

He must be talking about 2K.

Nah, I'm talking about mad.

So

what's been the

most fun part about what you guys do?

Is it just friends being together and doing something together that you probably never thought that would happen is it going to different places

is it the people that you get an opportunity for me club shay shay man i ain't never think i'd be sitting down with no magic jobs and i didn't think i'd be sitting down with you know with john cena and all these guys and that's what's been the most fun part of it

man i would say for today man we just met two people we grew up on we met triple h we met the undertaker at no point of our lives do we think we was gonna sit down and let alone do a podcast with them so the people you come across and especially to see people how they are that's real refreshing to me i think that's the dope part Yeah, after.

Yeah, nah, I'm just feeling the same way about him.

Like, even being on here with you guys, like, we ain't think we'd be sitting down with you.

Chad, Ocho.

We watch our show at night.

We laugh.

We joke with y'all.

We feel like y'all are cousins, our distant cousins, or whatever.

And we grew up like watching y'all for real.

Come on, boy.

Everybody had the 85 girls.

That was staple.

Come on, man.

Yeah, he had nose on the field.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

You had all that.

So we was fans of your game.

And then when I realized I could lock you up, I'm like, he got good feet, but like, I can guard him.

Yeah, that's why I said he was cool.

You know what I do enjoy?

I enjoy false confidence.

Because that's what he has.

He has false confidence.

You both got that.

Hold on, listen.

No, not both.

Not both.

I have the greatest feet of all time.

Notice he mentioned my feet.

Yeah, you got a good feet.

I have the greatest feet of all time, regardless of sport.

Oh.

Yeah.

Now,

would you agree that his feet is some of the best you've ever seen from an NFL player?

I don't understand why you even think you could take me on the court.

Oh, yeah, on a post, it's just this big.

On a post?

it's too small, man.

He's trying to give you some love.

Go ahead.

See, the thing is, he understands that his feet needed to be like that because of his slight frame.

He wasn't built like the Megatron.

Megatron 6'4240.

He wasn't built like Julio.

Julio 6'3225.

G.O., those big, Brandon Marshall, those big physical receivers that want to play the contact.

They want you to put your hands on them because now I can put you close enough, I can put my hands on you and throw you out the way.

Ocho understood from a very young age, he's like, I can't play like that.

So I gotta be in a situation where I can't let you touch me.

I have good.

But when your feet just as good as his, like, what that means?

Because my feet, my feet like that.

Your feet like what?

That's what he was leading to.

That's what I was leading to.

Is that what you was talking about?

Yeah, that's what it was leading to.

So you saying your feet like mine?

Yeah.

I ain't never seen it.

Prespect.

Prespect.

You know what I'm saying?

That body be out.

What you talking about?

We doing some extra stuff.

You know, we go.

Camera?

Yeah.

I'm telling you, 520 versus nightcap.

One-on-one.

Y'all going to post it, right?

What you mean?

We're going to be live.

Like,

we want free.

No editing, no nothing.

So the work you get, everybody can see the world financially.

You still train?

Yeah, I'm 220.

Look, just what he talked about.

I know you look.

I'm saying you still train.

I know you be working on some of the players.

Yeah, yeah, I'm about 220.

And are you still eating McDonald's every day?

Yeah, I mean, look at, look, y'all see this body?

Look at these legs, bro.

That was amazing, though, bro.

We talking crazy, but like, the fact that you used to get up every day and order McDonald's, like, and he eats, he'd be on me about eating.

For real?

Yeah, yeah.

But he don't eat nothing.

He likes

nutrition.

You eat healthy?

Not really.

Kind of sweet.

Oh, no.

You know what I'm saying?

For you to even have that type of career,

you like got to be the only athlete to ever have a career.

I'm the only person.

You think about what you ate as a little kid.

Based on where I'm from, based on circumstances and my surroundings and upbringings, I ate a certain certain weight.

Right when I made it, I kept eating that same weight.

I didn't have any injuries when I was little, and I didn't have none when I got to the league.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

I don't know how you just already

get to the NFL, you get to whatever your dream is, whatever your childhood dream may be, and you make it to a profession, then all of a sudden, all these experts come out the goddamn blue and change it would always work for you.

I just chose not to

conform.

No, you done,

we didn't know any better.

We ate what was available.

I knew I was gonna be eating better the rest of my life.

As soon as I got some money, man, you changed, you damn right.

But I tried to change before I had money.

I'm El Roy.

When you got your money, it wasn't going to change.

I got my chicken.

I was gone.

You going to the fight?

Yeah, 1000%.

Yeah.

Damn.

Historic event.

Who you got?

Who you got?

My heart says Bud, but my mind says Canelo.

I got Canelo.

Serious?

Yeah, I want Bud to win, but if I was a bet, man, I'm betting with Canelo.

Being realistic.

Yeah.

And you're going Bud, y'all.

Bud, knockout, eighth round.

I got Bud, too.

What's the odds?

What is paying?

Plus $800 for the knockout.

So I don't know.

It's a decision.

I don't know what that is.

Looking like Christmas.

Plus 800?

Plus 800.

That's a lot.

Shit.

That's a lot.

You cash in on that.

It's going to change some lives.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Especially if you put down some real, some real paper.

Yeah, you put about 10 bands down on that.

Shit.

You're gonna crack that down.

We're gonna pull our money together, get a little something.

Hey, last time we was in the middle of the morning.

You probably get like, nah, you gotta watch this, man.

You gotta watch him.

Yeah, they'll bump it.

We pull out our money together.

We might do a little something.

Yeah, for sure.

I gotta quit a little 250.

Gotta lose 250.

I got 300.

I got something on it.

I got 300.

Like a little 550.

You got a stat.

I'll cover the rest.

Leave it in me and God's hands.

Something wrong with that dude, man.

Who's some guys that you would love to have?

I mean, you have a lot of sports figures, but do you think about getting outside of that?

You think about getting, say, like some celebs, some other.

Who would you like to have on 520?

But y'all early in the morning, though, man.

Yeah, but.

It's hard to get somebody early in the morning.

It's hard to get somebody.

We got our nice show club 520.

We would love to have Adam Sandler.

That's like one of my favorite people in the world.

I want to hoop with Adam Sandler.

That's like.

How that man be hooping with the eyes of shirt?

Man, I don't know, but

that's what it is.

It's definitely Eyes Os.

Trader Jones fits for sure.

Yeah.

Damn, man.

He might be able to take you.

Cool.

I watched your highlights, bro.

No, no, they don't try to.

You and Costa Not highlight some very short.

Don't, don't, don't try.

Jack was an LBS.

So that's crazy.

Yeah,

he's terrible.

He's trying to deflect.

That's what he trying to deflect.

What I'm deflecting.

Smoking mirrors.

520 versus nightcap.

I ain't trying to hit nothing about nothing else.

All right, then we're going to put it on the bottom.

We really want Joe Johnson, though.

Wait, hold on.

Who's going to cover Joe?

No, I'm talking about on the show.

When he asked him, you know, who else do we want on the show?

Oh, Joe.

Oh, Joe.

Oh, yeah.

Joey.

We've been looking for Joe.

Man, the chat told us that, man, Joe done spoke more on Nightcap than Joe spoke in his whole career.

That's the career.

I was Joe's teammate for people like, man, I ain't even know Joe could talk.

I'm like, well, hell, I ain't never heard him talk either, so he can't go to the show.

He's been your teammate for what, four years?

Yeah.

I never heard him talk that much.

At all, bro.

At all.

Really?

At all.

I used to go to his house every other day.

He would leave you in his house and go to his room.

He'd be like, Joe, I'm here for you, brother.

Joe,

but you could tell by his personality that he he really a quiet brother.

He really just like, and that's what I said, like, okay, you know, Joe's going to, you know, join us because we thought he was going to come on for one.

He's like, man, I like this.

You don't talk.

I didn't talk.

Yeah, but hey.

Now that's good, y'all getting people to, you know, see his actual personality.

He got Joe on y'all team.

Oh, you ain't running from Joe.

Huh?

I ain't nobody running from Joe.

No, man, this is open.

Come on.

Nah, nah, nah, nah.

We good.

We good.

You go play?

We go, ISO.

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Now, back in high school, that teague, I was not

well.

Give me a style line.

I need a style line.

I'll tell you like this here.

Me and Purvis Ellison was on the same

area team in the area of players.

Yeah.

He was a starter.

I was a starter.

That's all I was gonna say.

I was a star.

He was early.

Okay.

I was

He was all-American, actually.

I averaged 30 by CE.

You hooked too?

Okay.

He ready?

Oh, so what you average in high school?

Oh, high school.

Oh, I was 32, 12, and 10.

Huh?

You didn't even think about it.

Because I remember.

I remember back then.

I had to do everything.

See, when you watched the big three, Hesse said, I need to make sure I score everything.

So,

what's his name?

Don't win the MVP.

So, damn.

No, so Gilly don't win the MVP.

I said, all right, well, shit, I'm going to rebound.

I'm going to get it right to you.

So, that's why I really went out there trying to go to the bucket and do, you know.

No, but

I respect that.

I got a career high of 52.

Damn.

Damn, damn.

What year was that?

85?

16.

All in the paint.

No, you got to realize the three-pointer wasn't in until 80.

The three-pointer didn't come in until 86.

I was gone.

If I'd had the three,

Damn, I didn't have a three-point line.

In high school, it didn't come in until 86.

52 on RB.

Damn, NBA, they had it.

The NBA, they got it in 70 labs.

Yeah.

Damn, so how would you score?

Sold your game like

Charles Barker.

Yeah, baby.

I could shoot.

I could shoot.

Yeah.

But

I'm going through your chest.

Yeah, yeah.

I mean, if I fired out, I got like four with charges.

Four with charges.

I ain't gonna lie.

52, hey, you started.

52, 37, 35, 31, 31, 19.

All-American parade though, 197.

I was all-American, too.

I should have been.

In basketball?

Yeah, I was all-American.

What sport you do?

I'm the best in soccer.

You know, soccer is my love.

That's my number sport.

But in high school, I ain't even play in the fourth quarter.

I was coming out of the game and allowing everyone else on the bench to play.

And I was still avering 32, 12, and 10.

I love it.

Hey, listen.

I really did.

I love it.

I really get it, too.

I'm going to tell you my play style.

Everybody else, but who you played like when you was in high school?

I said I was like a mixture of John Morant and Russell Westbrook.

Y'all really knew him all.

You said it was explosive like John and Russ.

I could believe it was that explosive.

Yeah, I'm explosive.

I'm just saying.

And then when, you know, I was a three-level scorer in high school.

You get me sometimes if I got to back it down in the public to do that, I had a nice little midi like Shay.

I was something like that.

And I'm not saying I was Steph, but I was Steph-like.

Well, who did you grow up watching?

Because you didn't grow up watching.

Who did you grow up watching?

You talking about John Boran.

He haven't thought of it.

I know.

I was watching my daddy.

Okay.

My daddy.

My daddy had prison footage, you know, in prison.

My daddy was averaging 42.

Them boys know who break the room.

You were in prison.

You cold.

Yeah, yeah.

42 in prison.

You know how you know.

42 in prison.

You probably averaged 35 in

real life.

Yeah, ain't no dog.

But I can say, I gave up.

I didn't basketball.

If my brother had to play basketball, I really, really would have tried to stick with basketball.

But he wasn't the basketball player that I was.

He was better at football.

I went to college.

I said, man, damn, damn this basketball.

I gave up everything.

Basketball, track.

All I did was focus on football.

Made the right decision for sure.

For sure.

It paid off.

I wanted to be big.

I had started lifting weights and my body had started to change.

And I was like, man,

who?

Yeah.

Y'all remember Lorenzo Charles?

Y'all remember when he dunked the ball in 83 to beat Houston?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

I'm like, what you gonna shoot?

Nah, for sure.

You played no basketball.

You ain't got two stamps.

I mean, he really, he should have been a defensive line.

He should have just went like Julius Peppers.

That's what he should have done.

Jude looked crazy in the football.

I mean, a basketball uniform, bro.

He was too strong, bro.

He do, he do.

And just think, Pep.

Pep literally started at UMC.

Yeah.

Who's gonna go through that?

So you think he's 285.

You think he's the greatest basketball player?

I mean, football player that played basketball?

What about

Antonio Gates?

Antonio Game Game.

But he played at North Carolina, though.

Yeah.

Okay, yeah.

But Gates took a team to the Elite Eight.

Yeah, that's a fat.

He was killing too.

He was 28.

He was killing too.

He was like them.

He was legit.

He was a legit basketball player.

Don't forget Jimmy Graham, too.

I played against him in college.

He grabbed him.

Yeah, he was just fouled a lot.

I played him in college when he was at Miami.

He was just fouled.

Who nice down in the NFL?

Probably T.

Higgins, though.

Tiger Hoop.

Raw.

T.

Nice.

T.

Nice Hoop.

Poor old boy from the Bills.

Keanu.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, he co-founded.

Yeah, he cold for him.

What about DK?

No.

He can't make that.

He's too strong.

DK just dunking.

Yeah.

Digo dunk or you get it.

Yeah, he's a hell of a friend.

We used to have,

before you got the Ocho, teams used to have guys that play basketball, and they would go around and play the fire department.

They play, you know, the police department.

Oh, yeah,

they would play other teams.

Like, guys would play the Raiders.

They would go around.

Ricky Dudley had a nice little game, but he was 6'6.

I mean, guys that played, you know, they were just in the league on their rookie year.

They've been playing all the time.

It's a different skill set.

I I mean, we lift too much.

So you shoot a basketball, man.

By the time I started lifting,

I'm like, ooh, I need to back up off these weights.

I got too much shoulders.

I got too much track to try to shoot.

Did y'all ever answer that question, though, about like what's the easier to transition from basketball to football or football to basketball?

It's easier to transition a basketball player playing football than a football player playing basketball.

Because

basketball is a more skill.

Yeah.

It's a more skill.

Yeah.

No, no, there ain't no question about that.

Okay.

But

it's like

they would see what they were, the argument that I was having, they were talking about, oh, he could go play football right now.

No, he can't.

Shit me.

No, he can't.

No, no, no, no, no, no.

No, he cannot go.

Nobody go out in the UA play basketball in 10 years to, oh, he can go make a team.

Do what?

What are he going to play?

Go out there with a receive if you want to.

Okay.

I think it's different, though.

I mean, y'all are professionals, y'all know, but I think if if you ain't played football and you hooped in college, I think you can just transfer and go to the NFL.

No, you got to have a background.

See, Antonio Gates played football in high school.

He did play in college, but he had a background.

He had a foundation.

But not to know

I get like Graymond.

Y'all saw Graymond.

I did.

It's different.

You heard it down.

Okay.

Okay.

You got to have a foundation.

He looked crazy.

So

he didn't understand how to get open.

He didn't understand how to move.

Gates understood it because, like I said, he hadn't played since he was in college, but he played all throughout junior high.

He played all throughout high school.

Pemp just continued.

And Pemp just like,

yeah, I'm going to be the number two pick in the draft.

I'm going to go and get this basketball.

I'm going to get the basketball thing going.

Bye, I could be pretty good.

But

you're not going to find a guy like Pepper.

You're talking about a guy that's 6'7, 285, could run 4'5,

got a 40-inch vertical.

Jesus.

Different, different.

Real athlete.

That's crazy.

I know it was hard for you, though, Chad, to choose between basketball and football.

What made you choose?

Nah, it was hard for me to choose between football and soccer.

Oh, football and soccer.

I don't really care nothing about basketball.

I just happen to be able to play it because God gifted me with a certain ability that don't many have.

There it is.

But

is always my love.

Always been my number one love, and I still play it

to this day.

I play with a Jamaican squad in Miami on the weekends, and that's pretty much it.

But I look forward to being y'all last, though.

When I left the football field, all my other sports other than CrossFit and in the gym, it was over for me.

I ain't picked up a basketball.

I ain't picked up a football.

You need to start training because we're going to play them boards.

And we don't want no excuse at all.

We got to go in the gym.

I don't got two muscles.

Nah, yeah.

That's why we got you down and we got you down in the post.

Your ain't going up.

You scared.

I'm built like a wrestler.

Well, how you gonna cover me and I'm built the same way?

No, you're not.

I just got your jacket on.

No, you're not.

My son about your size.

So, how much time have y'all got?

Y'all done for today?

Or

y'all are getting started later?

Yeah, we got one more show, I think, at the same time.

So, so, so, y'all, uh, 5:20, club 5:20, and then 520 in the a.m.

520 a.m.

is live, right?

Yes, sir.

And then y'all take the club 520.

9.30 every day, Monday through Thursday.

Well, Monday through Thursday.

So Monday through Thursday is 520 a.m.

So then you take,

how many shows are Club 520 you take?

We drop on Monday, so two on Mondays and Thursdays.

So

y'all got stuff in the can?

So how, so how, how, so how

far out?

So you try to store up, so you try to get like five, six shows in the can?

No, we,

do.

We drop the heaters.

Yeah, we drop them immediately.

We would love to grab some and sit on them for sure, but no, but I'm saying, but I'm saying, like, okay, let's just say for the sake of argument.

Y'all went out.

Y'all got this interview.

Yeah.

Do y'all try to get another interview before you guys drop it, or you just get the interview and say, okay, we gonna drop it?

Oh, no, we got that fire.

Bombs away, man.

Because we didn't want our show to be based off of interviews.

We wanted it to be based off of us.

So we wanted to have a show that we can do our thing with.

Like people will still tune on to us.

So when we do get an interview, it's just like a plus to us.

Oh, okay.

Okay.

For sure.

So what would you say?

What would you tell the audience?

What's the difference between 520 a.m.

and club 520?

Well, sports is 5.20 a.m.

Okay.

He's going to give a full breakdown.

DJ, you know, I'm the relief, of course, but that's really more focused on sports.

Okay.

Club 520 is all the foolishness.

Yes.

Yeah, we're going to make a joke.

It ain't never no hard feelings.

No, we're just joking.

Just having God talk, keeping it clean.

Man,

y'all be on a

MPJ.

Y'all be on that man hard.

Oh, man.

See, Club 520 got to meet 520 a.m.

Sometimes.

See, MPJ be on Club 520.

He won't be on 520 no more.

You got to have a real conversation with my boy.

Man, he's crazy, man.

Yeah, he be giving up all the stuff.

Man, I'm like, you got to keep some of that to yourself.

Everything ain't put in the business.

I think some athletes should just tone that down.

You think he's doing too much still to still be active like that?

Ooh, yeah, he just.

But

that's who he is.

That's what I'm about to say.

And I don't.

And

he doesn't see that.

Man, I ain't doing that.

I'm just telling.

Yeah, I know.

You just tell it.

I know.

But

it's just some of the things that he said about the gambling.

Man, if you can hook your homeboys up, you know what I'm saying?

Yeah, I was like, you giving a recipe right there.

He got that episode.

It was like, wait, that's what you said.

we asking why you say

yeah y'all don't got a troll y'all already getting enough money which we not but you know what i'm saying you ain't you can't get too much of that yeah right but i'm saying he was like basically like we was making up stuff like you literally gave us a play on how to bet with our friends like you know what i'm saying so yeah shout out to mpj though that's the thing you just got to be careful because people will take anything that you say they take it as serious they take it as fact yeah man you heard that because i remember we've all you know been in the league man what you think of this game i don't think nothing don't ask me nothing

you get jammed up the first thing you're gonna give up the big thing man my boy sharp hooked it up man he said man take this because he no yeah

when it comes to that don't ask me about no game don't ask me about who playing who not playing because i ain't got nothing but i'm sure 100 i ain't got nothing but

and we also encourage others hey don't put yourself in a bad situation it's cool we're not looking for clickbait we not looking to go rival please don't say something you got to back up because we had an incident on our show And when you go back and look at it, it looks terrible.

But we don't want to put nobody in this situation.

We want to come on, have fun, celebrate you, but don't put yourself in a clickbait situation.

But that's the thing.

Look,

you can't win because it's hard to beat the social media line.

That's a fact.

You can't.

You know, somebody come on and they share a story, y'all gossiping.

You ask a guy a question.

He tell, how am I gossiping?

I just asked the question.

That's normally what happens.

Hey, y'all sitting around talking.

Hey, man, what y'all do the other night?

Oh, you gossiping.

Damn, I just said I didn't.

Nah, for sure.

That's true.

That's true.

But that's what we've covered now.

If somebody says something that somebody doesn't like, you gossip.

Or you hate it.

Or you hate.

You hating one of y'all.

I ain't nobody hating on y'all, bro.

It ain't that deep.

I mean, as a, and you know this, as a ex-professional athlete,

I don't watch the game as a fan.

Yeah.

I'm not, he scored good.

He got interception good.

I'm trying to figure out why.

What were they in?

Okay, they were in three wides.

They were in an empty set.

I'm looking at, okay, they're in 21 personnel.

They're in 11.

They're in 12.

They're in scat protection.

They're ripping.

They're lizard.

Okay, coverage.

They're in quarters.

They ain't cover two.

They ain't cover five.

I play quarters on mine.

Yeah, I do.

They play quarters on bad.

Yeah, that's my thing.

And so that's my thing.

I'm looking at that down in distance.

I'm looking at the area on the field.

You know, red zone.

So I'm looking at stuff like that.

And so a lot of time, guys get mad.

Because they know this ain't bullshit.

See, the fan, a casual fan.

Bro, I don't mean the bag, but I'm 267.

Yeah.

Okay, yeah, if y'all know that, I'm 267.

Of 30,000 men that's ever played this game, coached this game, owned the team, your general manager, I'm 267.

I got the credentials.

So ain't nobody hating on you.

I already did it.

It's your turn to do it.

But you did mess up.

You did mess up.

Yeah.

So I just leave it at that.

I don't go.

Hey, when I was younger, I would go back and forth with a guy.

I'm like, what the F am I going back and forth with a guy?

I said what I said.

I keep it moving.

But the most times, I see a lot of guys.

When I see them, they're like, man, you hard.

But I tell you what, you fair.

You call it just like you see it.

Hey.

And people, y'all see me.

I've called Kate Manning out.

I've called Tom Brady.

I've called Reese out.

Right is right, wrong is wrong.

Everybody see God made a mistake, he made a mistake.

I'm not trying to take away anything.

You can't take away something.

Hold on, hold on,

hold on.

You're going crazy.

Whatever.

But I ain't never heard you go against Brian.

Oh, yes, I have.

Oh, yeah.

You better go back.

They go ahead and do a whole YouTube monologue going on.

Go ahead.

Go check the tape.

Brian.

We can do some crazy stuff.

Uncle's like, shit, he should have been there.

He should have caught it.

Nah, nah, nah.

Nah.

You know, sometimes they be going crazy.

Y'all be going crazy.

But, nah, LeBron just made some plays of that, you know, hey, nah, that ain't his fault.

Nah.

You threw that without a vibe, LeBron.

I was just talking shit because I know you fuck with Bron Hill.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

But the thing is, I think, and he appreciate that.

He's like, uh-uh, you real?

Yeah.

You know, he, hey,

keep that in the business.

They know.

They know.

I don't got no ill will towards everybody.

I want everybody to get 500 million.

Hell, I just tell my mom all the time, you need to tell me you couldn't wait 10 years.

You had to be done with kids at 24?

Damn.

Tell my mom the same thing.

Daddy, all that money.

Nah, for sure.

These guys, Todd is making more money in one year than I've made a whole career.

Get some of that.

Nah, for sure.

Nah, I love playing when I play because I have a bread of appreciation and I got an opportunity to see and play with a lot of the greats.

And so, look, I'm not envious of these guys.

Life, God has blessed me tenfold.

If I don't make another dime, God, you've been too good to me to begin with.

So, hey, I'm good.

But, we're going to make some more money.

Oh, yeah, absolutely.

That's going to happen.

If you play right now, though, Shay, I feel like

you already was a popular player, but with social media and how you.

Yeah, I was up there without social media.

How crazy do you think it would have been?

It would have been dumb.

He'd have been a bigger person.

For sure, bro.

No, they wouldn't.

I couldn't.

Because I wouldn't be able to hold my tongue.

I'd be calling everybody out.

You terrible.

You terrible.

You so hell.

Yeah.

I'm going to give it to you the first quarter.

He gets it the second quarter.

And just so you don't feel left out, you're going to get it the whole second half.

I love it.

I love it.

They would have mic him up, would have been crazy.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, baby devil.

Social media.

And you know, I could literally, I could live and go on social media and act somebody that I'm going to play a game.

Oh, y'all getting disrespectful before the game?

What?

I'm talking before the week of the game.

Sending gifts.

Oh, man, man.

You send gifts to Revis?

No, no, no.

That's the one time I lost.

That's the one time.

That's the one time.

That's the one time I lost.

You had to pick and choose.

Like, you could curse a lot of people.

Like, you had to know who to curse.

Yeah.

Like, you couldn't curse Reggie White.

You already know who he was.

Don't wait.

He hurt your quarterback.

He's a minister.

So.

I'm about to say he didn't even cuss.

No, no, no, no, no, no.

Demonstration.

Yeah, yeah.

But you, I mean, you knew who to bother.

Yeah.

And because you knew who would go back and forth with you, and normally it was like the D-line, but

I ain't even talking to your fat ass.

I'm talking to you.

But he ain't going to say nothing.

I said, well, I'm not talking to you.

And the offensive line will get mad at me because I done woke up their guy.

But I'm trying to talk to my guy.

I'm trying to get my guy out of his game.

Who talked the most, though, in both of y'all careers?

Yeah.

I besides you, You did a lot of talking.

I talked a lot.

Johnny Ramble talked a lot.

Yeah.

John Ramble talked a lot.

He said he ain't take showers and stuff, right?

Oh, Johnny talked a lot.

Yeah.

I don't know.

Probably not.

He said something like

that.

John Ramble talked a lot.

Did Ray Lewis talk a lot?

Nah, Ray didn't, not a lot.

I mean, he would, you know, he would, you know,

you know, talk like he's a machine.

Yeah.

Y'all terrible.

Y'all not good.

But he really didn't like talk to like, to belittle nobody.

Right, okay.

You terrible.

Yeah.

Keep talking.

You're going to be on the wave a while in the morning.

Damn.

Damn.

Now, see, I was trying to be nice.

Any corners talk to you like that?

See, my talk was more entertainment.

It wasn't malicious.

Really at people.

I was more fun.

Trying to think.

Fred Smoot.

Remember Fred Smoot?

From Mississippi State?

No?

Nah.

Play with

the commander.

Play with the commander.

No, Red, bro.

Yeah.

I ain't seen him on Mad.

I got to go look it up.

Yeah,

he talked a lot.

He talked crazy.

You was just talking loud.

Uncle's more.

Yeah, I was talking about

it.

I know you not doing nothing today.

First of all, why you talking?

You on the bench?

How you on the beach?

If you was that good, you being here.

How you ain't outside of club?

You ain't getting nothing today.

Clearly, you not getting in the game today.

But that'd be the guys, that'd be the guys that'd be doing the most talking.

The guys on the sideline are playing special teams.

Gotcha.

I'm like, bro.

Special team?

Okay.

Look, it's a special team, but you can't be talking like that when you're not having to deal with me.

Right, right.

Our new co-hosts talk a lot now, though.

Zaire Franklin, he's one of our co-hosts.

He said he talks a lot.

He said he's number one.

Oh, you number one talk?

That's what he said.

Nah.

He said he number one now.

That's what he told us on the show.

No.

And that's one thing.

When we played the Coast, the Coast, they got, I don't know, Coach, maybe Coach Dungeon didn't let them talk or something.

But

I mean, they were good.

I mean, because Peyton had started to become Peyton back then.

But they didn't realize that.

Yeah, no, everybody was quiet.

Marvin Harrison was real quiet.

Marvin had Marvin this season.

You better not send that to Marvin.

Yeah, we didn't.

Oh, Lord, have my father.

Shout out to Marvin.

Keep it cute.

See, he always goes.

We try to keep it on the field.

That's my dog.

Keep it cute.

Now that you say that about the coast, oh, we didn't have to

say that.

Ed was quiet.

Danger.

That's crazy.

You know what?

It's mainly like divisions.

Because we see each other all the time.

We're in the same division.

The Raiders,

the Chiefs, the Chargers, we were in the same division.

So we go, you know, we really going back and forth.

When I was at Baltimore, us in Pittsburgh,

us in the Titans, or us in the Jags.

We're going back and forth because we see each other twice a year.

Team, it's hard to build up a rival with somebody you only see

once.

Yeah.

That's interesting.

Can I ask you this question?

Obviously, y'all was running y'all division.

How do you think your team would have fared up against this current version of the Chiefs?

You know what I'm saying?

Especially if I had in the same division at y'all peaks.

How would them battles would have been?

You're talking about my Broncos in the 90s?

Yes, sir.

We run them off the field.

Damn.

Ooh, light work.

They couldn't stop that running game.

You got to realize, we had a Hall of Fame left tackle, Hall of Fame quarterback, Hall of Fame tight end, Hall of Fame running back, Hall of Fame safety.

But we were loaded.

Our whole offensive line weren't you.

We put four of our offensive linemen in the Pro Bowl.

Damn.

I was in the Pro Bowl.

John was in the Pro Bowl.

TD was in the Pro Bowl.

Three of our four of our offensive linemen was in the Pro Bowl.

At Water, Romanowski, and Alfred Williams.

So we had like nine Pro Bowl fighters at our P.

Wow.

Now, y'all had a whip for sure.

Y'all had a whip.

Oh, yeah.

That answered the question right there.

And they're going to have to deal with me.

I'm a problem.

Hey, hey.

And you know, some, you know, something, hey, and I,

problems, sometimes you can solve a problem.

I was an issue.

You got to troubleshoot me.

You got to get back.

You got to get back.

I don't know what's wrong with it, but we're working.

We're going to try to kick it out.

We're going to try to get it figured out by the end of the day.

You got to troubleshoot this.

I like this.

You ain't solving this problem.

You got to troubleshoot this.

We working as hard as we can,

Mr.

Hill.

We working the hardest we can.

But it might take us a while, but we're going to get it figured out.

No, you're not.

We just talked around the arena, though.

Not for sure.

Oh, okay.

So, what y'all got going on for the rest of the day?

Man, just joining obviously.

He's going to meet your run today.

Yeah, I'm doing a couple shows, but other than that, chilling.

Oh, you filling it, you getting it for somebody?

Yeah.

Oh, my God.

I don't know about that.

Where it's all.

Sean?

Sean, where's Sean Porter go?

Tell him I said, come over here before I make him fight.

Yeah.

All right.

Yeah, we beat him.

Yeah, we get him.

Yeah.

Who?

Sean Porter.

Who's gonna get him?

Me.

Man, I lump.

All right, me already.

Sean Porter.

Yeah, you know he fight, man.

He's more portable.

Man,

sleep.

Sleep.

Well, quick.

I get him out of that third round, probably.

He got it.

Nah.

He don't stop, bro.

He'll pit bull, bro.

Who don't?

No, no, no, no.

I ain't been in the ring with all of them already.

No, no, no, no.

That ain't nothing.

He do be going down to the spa with them.

Oh, that's cool, but I'm talking with them lights is on, you got kids that want to see you the next day.

They're gonna see me.

I don't know.

He won't see them, but they'll see him.

Hold up.

So, y'all don't understand.

Y'all see, wait till February.

We'll be really happening, though.

Like, this is a real thing.

Man, I'm finna beat the shit out of James Harrison, man.

Yeah,

but that's still me.

I gotta see this, man.

Where is that?

Where y'all doing this at?

In Frisco.

Got a Super Bowl.

Let me air everybody under one umbrella.

All right.

You already got the venue?

Oh, yeah.

We'll do it outside of Archo.

I tried to get him a tuna fight.

He said he didn't want no tuna.

I don't need no tuna.

Tuna for what?

I've been doing this 37 years, man.

You might want to call Mark Henry or somebody, man.

Nah.

He said he got it, so.

Easy work.

I'm going to let, you know.

I'm there.

I can't wait.

I can't wait to see this.

I was just, you know, hoping that it would happen

around our vacation time.

He gets some time off.

He'll need a couple days off.

I don't take no days off.

Yeah, he won't be on Nightcap right after that one.

He'll get my name.

Listen, after a football game, I'm at the stadium the next morning.

This ain't no different.

Damn.

Be available to fill in at night, right?

I got you.

Just call me.

Just call me.

I want y'all to keep doubting me.

Don't believe in me.

Just like my exes.

They didn't believe in me.

Now look at me.

Hey, my exes didn't believe me either.

Now look at me.

Check these guys out in the morning at 5:20 a.m.

Now look at me.

Thank you, man.

Thank you guys for coming up, bro.

Nah, he did shit, though.

Hey, let's get this group show.

I'm just letting the robot involve.

You gotta be about to count your fish?

Country fish?

We don't go there that often.

No, we'll eat that like this.

I was about to say they might be messing with it.

Really?

Yeah.

I'm gonna have to check it out when I'm done.

I'm gonna put you on Shadow Ram.

Shadow Lamb.

You know what I'm really?

Culture, too.

Shadow Round.

Let us know what you're doing.

Bear.

Bear.

See, my dog.

Love.

Keep getting it, baby.

Yep.

Okay.

Oh.

Yeah, come on.

Come on, Joe.

We're trying to get there.

I get it.

I get it.

What time for you out here?

I'm good.

You over there.

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OJo had to take a break right now.

Right.

Yeah.

That way.

Yeah,

yeah.

Sit right there.

Right, yeah.

How you going, boss?

Bro, I'm good.

It's been a while since we had a buzz like this.

Yeah.

It's been a while.

It's been a little minute.

You got two champions.

Yeah.

One is a

four-belt era era, two-division champ.

The other is the undisputed

super middleweight 168.

You got champ versus champ.

How do you see this fight playing out?

This is,

you know,

good friends with Bud, and I text him, I say, yo, you lethal, man.

Just be lethal.

And this week, as I'm, you know, really ramping up and this week is here, and I'm looking at, I say, yo, we got two lethal juggernauts in the ring that can find that right moment, can nail nail that right moment.

Yeah.

And the precision that both these guys have in terms of how they deliver that punch and where it lands.

This one might be a matter of just moments.

Both of these guys are great time managers in the game.

Canelo seems to be the kind of guy who's going to manage this clock every single minute.

Whereas Bud is going to just take what's coming to him.

He's going to push certain buttons if he needs to, where those moments come.

And

being one of the guys that got in the ring with him, I have to respect everything that's been said about him for so long because I actually saw it.

So he's one of the few guys out there that can come into the ring and be a chameleon and literally transform and do whatever he needs to do to win this.

So all that said, I don't think it's going to be a slow fight.

But the moments are going to be like really, really fast moments.

They're going to be fast moments.

And it really depends.

I think, where Bud is at at the end of those moments.

If Bud is on the top, on the better side of those moments, he's just going to keep going at him.

He's going to keep going at them.

But if Bud, if there's an exchange and Bud ain't on the right side of that thing, he's going to back up.

We're going to manage this thing and keep it moving.

And so, you know, at the end of it, I do think that Bud is going to win this fight.

But we are looking at the Canelo Alvarez that throws with the kind of intention.

He sits down on everything.

He sits down on everything.

He really trying to end the fight on every punt.

Which is why we see him, you know, on the other other side of the fight, that seventh round, eighth round.

You know, sometimes he's sucking, win.

I have seen fights where he's sucking win, you know.

Other fights where he's just coasting, and he's in the ring with people he can coast with.

He can't coast in this one.

No.

Can't coast in this one.

You look at the question is, and we had Roy and we had Andre Ward on yesterday.

And the question, and Roy said, here's the thing.

When Bud touch him,

can he gain his respect?

Because if he can't gain his respect, Canelo's gonna just come forward.

But if he can gain his respect, now

he has his attention.

I'll take that statement a step further, right?

Okay.

Because people may not understand what does that mean to get your respect, right?

And I alluded to the analogy of

a beast thing.

Okay.

Right?

So when a beast sting you,

it don't put you down on the ground.

But you over here like an hour later, like, dang.

So he just needs his attention for 36 minutes, right?

Right.

And he has that kind of punch, that kind of precision that when you, I've been hit dead on the nose before,

I can't breathe for a second.

You know what I mean?

I've been hit and it stings, you know?

Bud just has to sting, Canelo.

Right.

And that's what they mean when they say get his respect.

Get his attention.

Right.

Make sure he understands if I come in here incorrectly.

If I come in here incorrectly, I'm going to walk out all the way messed up.

I'm going to still be up because I'm Canelo I-Rez.

I got that chin.

But next time I come in here, my approach is going to be a little bit different.

So the sooner Bud can get Canelo hesitating, the better it is for Bud.

Has Canelo fought anybody that has the precision punching

since Mayweather?

Mayweather was the best puncher, counter puncher that Canelo's ever faced.

Yeah, he's faced some really good fighters but none of them have the punch and precision of maybe a bud so now we saw how

what Mayweather did and how he looked against Mayweather

Bud is bud can he cause them similar problems get his attention all it is

forget about the comparison to Floyd Mayweather and Terrence Crawford because they

they're different in the ring.

Bud

will find his moments and he capitalizes on those moments right and it becomes big right Floyd became someone who just managed the clock and this is just gonna be how this fight gonna go whether you like it or not but the thing these two are so similar in Bud and Floyd both have the ability to do whatever they need to do to make this thing transform and become what they need it to be

And Canelo hasn't seen that since he's been in the ring with Floyd.

The other thing, Floyd has his energy and this state of mind when you're looking into his eyes, you don't know what the hell he's thinking.

You don't know what the hell he's feeling.

And on top of that, he's so fast, he's so elusive and everything else that you just don't know what to do.

Again, this is going to be the first time

that Canelo is seeing something like that since he fought.

Floyd Mayweather.

I think that was 2013.

That's a long time for you to go without seeing that and feeling that.

That's something that, you know, when we talk about all those experiences, what up, Chad?

What's up, baby?

All the ocho, all those things that we can talk about Canelo having in 67 fights, when you got to go that far back to recount something, you probably can't do it.

And when you've been spoiled, as long as he's been spoiled, guys moving to the beat of his drum,

how are you going to all of a sudden, you know, so he's going to have to wake up?

You know what?

Everything you just said, too, when I think about the game of boxing, I think about that fight in 2013.

A polished Floyd Mayweather, a Canelo that's not as polished.

Sure.

You think about, look about Canelo's defense, how much he's improved with his defense.

So if you do hit, you get a bud that is similar to

Floyd in a sense, and being able to have the ring IQ, being able to punch in between punches, not engaging, but boxing smart, countering smart, staying off the ropes.

I don't think that's Bud's style to be on the ropes like that the way Floyd was.

But in general, what happens when you have a more polished Canelo as opposed to when he fought, opposed when he fought Mayweather back in 2013 against Bud.

What happens then?

It's a more polished Canelo, but a more polished Canelo with a lot of knowledge on him now.

So in 2013, he hadn't had that experience, so he didn't see that kind of speed.

He didn't see that kind of elusiveness and that kind of movement and things of that nature.

There's no doubt that after that fight, he became a different fighter.

But since then, in the last four years, three, three-ish years, he's become a different fighter now.

And like I was telling

my man right here,

who he is now is a time manager.

Someone who's not going to just, as soon as that bell ring,

now he, you know, trying to find his moments and stuff like that.

And, you know, I think that that's the difference in this one.

You know, he became more polished, but now it's been

an aggression, a degression that has come just through life.

Right.

In general, okay.

Okay, I got you.

You look at a guy.

He's, I don't know if he's falled a guy.

Bud, South Paul naturally, but he's right side of the Orthodox.

Yeah.

But Roy was telling us yesterday he brought Boots in his hand, who's another guy that's South Paul, but they can fight Orthodox.

Boots

and Bud.

How much of an influence, how much is this going to help Canelo because he got an opportunity?

I don't know how long, how long he had him in his camp, but he's going to get an opportunity to see something that he wouldn't normally have been able to see.

Right.

And I think if anything, it kind of just wakes him up to what he's going to see on fight night.

What y'all think?

I think

Boots and Terrence Crawford are practically the same fighter.

A little bit.

I would take Boots is a little bit, takes a little bit, a few more chances, a little bit flashier.

They differ in the sense I think Bud, the only advantage I think I would put over Boots is Bud has a different mentality.

Yep.

Boots is a dog, but something wrong with Bud.

It's different.

He's willing to get in there with anybody, obviously going up two, three-way classes to fight Canelo.

Not very many people will take that chance.

Not very many boxers, let alone people in general.

So

I don't know.

But it's a great look ahead of a fight like this.

There was no better look he could have got.

I know he's got a Cuban in the gym with him, and he's had this Cuban in the gym with him for some.

There was no better look for him ahead of this fight.

You know, you got, you know how it is when you got the B team on the other side running the

scout offense, the scout defense.

It would have been for you.

There's no better scout offense and defense

than Booce Ennis.

Yeah,

we had Caleb Plant on, and he was discussing the fight.

He says, Bud needs to be all the way in or all the way out.

I don't like it.

Nothing mid-range.

No.

I don't like it.

I don't want to like that.

You don't want to be on the end of one of those power shots with Canelo because you're asking a guy.

That's, I mean, Canelo probably walks around 195, 200.

So he's a big man to begin with.

Now, Bud, Bud is not a small man.

The difference is, Bud is not stripping down that extra 21 pounds.

Bud is stopping at 68 as opposed to having to go all the way down to 47.

So Bud's like, hey, y'all make it look seem like I can't punch.

Y'all make it seem like I ain't eight.

So he ain't the only one that's going to be punching in.

I like what Caleb said.

All the way in or all the way out.

I think once you establish the all the way in or the all-the-way out movement, I think early on, it might be all the way out.

Right.

We're going to see some, I guarantee you guys, we're going to see some moments where Bud tries to literally physical push Canelo back.

Love it.

Want to see it.

It's going to happen.

That's the all the way in.

Once he's all the way in, it can't be all the way in and I'm trying to tie up and all this other stuff.

I think we might see that early because Bud just wants to see what's the strength like, what's the power like?

Some guys actually have the ability to do that.

Manny was the kind of guy he would come out in the first two rounds and he let somebody hit him and I'm like, stop, Manny.

Like, that joint was too close right right but he always he said I just needed I wanted I didn't need I want to see what it feels like you know right and that's how that's how bud is but I think once he establishes the all the way in or the all the way out right then he can start playing with the mid-range yeah because for bud it literally only takes one step and for bud he's that that that intuitive that smart that fast right that quick to see it and then I think he can play the mid range but for the early part of the fight I think all the way in all the way out stronger than you think yeah you saw him tussling with me i saw it i saw it i'm like all right here we go yeah i said he go a lawsuit because i i'm like shay shay don't know him he go a lawsuit because shayshay gonna get tossed and then he gonna

i was thinking i said man hey this man got a fight here in a couple of months yeah i look like flipping this man because you know i was like duh i say so i was like he like man he said man uh uh uh you you was gonna try i said man i was gonna try to flip you man i said what the hell i'm gonna flip you if i flip a man he gotta fight you but it's gonna cost this man 50 million but ain't gonna stop until he wants to stop.

And the funny thing about that is, like, that's who he is in the ring.

Yes, absolutely.

So when there's exchanges, he's not gonna stop till he wants to stop.

This dude could get floored and knocked out because this is what I want to do.

You know, so it's great.

He has to put that aside, what you just said.

Yeah.

That ego, that pride.

Yeah.

You got to box smart.

You got to come into the ring with some ego.

You got to come into the ring with some conceitedness, but it has to be intelligent.

I think they got this one figured out where

they mellowed it out and they balanced it where they know.

You can tell by exactly talking in the press conference.

Yeah, exactly.

We can tell.

The thing is, is that you have to take risk, but not unnecessary risk.

Yeah.

Because, look,

it's a fight.

Listen.

You got to fight at some point.

At the end of the day, when people talk about he got to get his attention and he got to get his respect and all that other kind of stuff, it doesn't require this firefight.

it don't require all that.

It just requires that moment where I'm going to hit you.

Instead of going out, I'm going to stay right here.

I'm going to find my moment to get to that body, get to that head, roll over, and come a little bit more, a little bit more.

And that's how, you know,

those are the kind of, those are intelligent, it's called intelligent risks, you know?

Yeah.

Because you do realize now, in order for you to throw a punch, you got to be in arm length.

Two back.

You know, I think one of the components to this fight that people don't talk about, or definitely I've I've talked about on the Portaway podcast, by the way.

But one of the things that people don't talk about is the intelligence of Canelo Alvarez.

Pay attention.

Canelo has been Canelo even after fighting Floyd.

Yes.

Maybe more combinations, more slick movement, steps over and things of that nature, but he's always come to the ring and done him.

Didn't matter if it was Caleb Plant jabs from the outside.

Didn't matter if it was Egger Berlanga taking you the distance.

You didn't do something to change a mode to end some of these guys.

Even when you go back to Caleb Plant, you ended Caleb Plant because you found a moment.

What if that moment don't come against Bud?

Are you prepared to do anything different?

I think one of the biggest factors of this fight is who's better here

and who has the better team.

Because you got a Bud Crawford camp who knows they're prepared to come in and do three, four, five, six different things.

Literally.

And you got a Canelo who's in here, gonna come in here, and I'm gonna be me and stop it.

What if you being you ain't getting a job done?

You gotta adjust.

And you gotta adjust, but you ain't trained to adjust.

Right, right.

So you look at I'm the bigger man.

I throw the harder punches.

I should be able to get him out of there.

There it is.

Now, what happens if you hadn't got him out of there in the time frame that he thinks he should get him out of there?

The longer this fight goes, I think it favors Bud.

I do too.

People think it favors Bud because of the decision.

I actually think it favors Bud because things that, it's like I always say, think think about it in meters.

And you guys know from playing ball, that fourth quarter, you're not the same as you were when the game started.

Sometimes you ain't

where the game started.

You go up a level.

In that second half, you go up a level, you know.

So I think because of that 67

fight mileage,

Canelo and Bud, hypothetically, they both coming in here at 98%.

Canelo's is going to dip.

a lot quicker than Bud's.

And the second half of this fight is going to be interesting.

The funny thing, too, when I I think about the second half of the fight and watching all of Canelo's fights since he's been fighting, he takes off round

five and six and deteriorates seven and on.

He deteriorates.

He just does.

If you've watched him fight over the years, so I think conditioning is also going to play a factor in Bud actually in the beginning of the fight and picking that moment when to gain that respect, it's going to be a long night for you.

Yeah.

It's going to be a long night for you.

I agree.

I think that we have seen that where it is, the fifth, the sixth round, give or take, is where where he takes off and then he tries to come on strong once again.

Bingo, yeah.

Right, round nine, round ten.

And if it ain't there, we're just going to finish the night.

Right.

And with Bud Crawford, you can't do that.

And I think, again, bringing a systematic approach means I watch all your fights.

I watch, for me, this is how I prepared.

I watched your first fight and I watched your last fight because I want to see how different you are when that first one and how different your mentality is, how you move differently and all that kind of stuff.

They picked up on stuff like that, and that's the difference between being good and being great.

You got a team behind you that can bring that systematic approach and say, hey, you know,

from a standpoint of strategy, this is where he's going to dip.

If we don't give him that moment in the fifth round, we know he's going to dip.

They might actually come into the round, into the ring in the fifth round or the sixth round, and they actually beat around.

They just move and do what we got to do because we know you're looking for that moment yeah

and we know past this moment your body must muscle memory it's going to start to dip yeah yeah so it's a lot of components to this thing that make it sexy for both of them yeah i'm excited it's a very interesting it's going to be a very interesting match because we got champions yeah if we got champions yeah i for me personally i think there's more to game for bud than canelo if canelo wins you know what they're gonna say he beat a man that was three divisions with three weight glasses down yeah you beat a guy that was 38.

You didn't fight him when he was 30.

So Canelo can't win.

Bud has all the chips.

Bud can walk and really have all Canelo chips.

And we think Bud is a great fighter now.

He beats Canelo.

We ain't no more thinking.

We look at him in a totally different light.

So let me defend Canelo.

Go ahead, defend it.

Because at the end of the day, you came knocking on my door.

At the end of the day, you called me out.

And I know y'all want to see me in the ring with Benavidez, but let's be honest.

Benavidez is not going to sell the tickets that Bud Crawford is going to sell.

Let's be honest.

But Benavidez doesn't have his excellency behind him the way that Bud Crawford does.

And a lot of ways, respectfully to Benavidez, because it's the fight the world wants to see, I want to see.

In a lot of ways, this fight made more sense.

It made more money, too.

And it made more money.

And since he came knocking on my door,

what I'm supposed to do when somebody knock on my door and I open it up and they threatening me, I did what I was supposed to do.

I like it.

Appreciate the breakdown, man.

Appreciate you, sir.

Congratulations on everything.

Enjoy the fight.

No, forget you, man.

You late.

What you have?

You late.

Have to use the bathroom.

How do you use the bathroom?

Let's wrap it up.

Man,

I can't wait for this fight.

It's going to be very interesting.

We need more fights like this.

I agree.

We need more fights like this.

We don't need guys.

Look, that old guys trying to protect their old because everybody wants to be one of retired Floyd Mayweather now and and guy you're not going to be thought of as Floyd even if you're 70 and old you're not going to be thought of as Floyd Mayweather Floyd Mayweather is a transcendent he's a once in a generation or once in a lifetime he's not once in a generation generation is only 25 sure Floyd Mayweather is a once in a lifetime yeah

you might not ever see another guy that has his defense but people don't realize when Floyd was at light of weight Floyd was knocking people out yeah

it was before he got his hands his hands and started messing up his hands that he's like I need to do what I I need to do to win.

Floyd was a complete fighter that just altered what he needed to do to remain undefeated.

Go look at Floyd at 30 and 35.

Go look at Floyd at 40.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I know.

All I know is people didn't smother Floyd.

They talk about, hey, he got a little bit of song.

He got pillow hands.

Okay, why didn't people just rush in on it?

Uh-huh.

Uh-huh.

Damn.

Uh-huh.

I don't want to do that no more.

I'm sorry.

Yeah, exactly.

Just need your attention.

He was very sharp.

Very sharp.

So appreciate it, bro.

Yo, yeah.

Enjoy it.

Yes, sir.

Got it with you, all right?

Yep.

Appreciate you.

All right, boy, good to see you, baby.

Good to see you, son.

I see you call.

I said, I see you call.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Okay, okay, I got you.

All right, love.

You know what?

I forgot?

I forgot to challenge Sean to a fight.

Ask him about the money he lost last night.

Yeah.

I thought you was going to win money back so you could pay me.

I did.

I lost $200 last night.

So how are you going to pay me my money with it?

Because, listen, I'm gonna get money tonight.

My baby, she gonna give me some money tonight, and I'm gonna get your money back.

But she gonna give you money to lose.

You already lost.

I know, I know, I know.

But I'm just, it was only $200.

It wasn't that bad.

It wasn't that bad.

It wasn't that bad.

So that could have paid down your debt.

So you want me to give you $20?

Nope.

I want the whole thing.

$8,900.

You know what's so funny?

A lot of people, they complain in the chat, why don't you pay Anka's money?

They don't realize that I've been trying to pay you, but you can't.

No, you haven't been trying to pay you.

You refuse to to do Apple Pay, you refuse to do cash app pay.

I'm right here right now.

I don't need Apple.

I need Ocho Pay.

I know.

I got my phone right here, and you tell me your PayPal, and I can send it to you.

I ain't got no pals.

Hey, ain't one of them, but I ain't got no pals.

You don't want no money, man.

I do.

This man gonna tell me how he's gonna pay me my money back.

I got every app on my phone.

You give me, give me your email.

I ain't got no phone.

I lost my phone.

I ain't got no phone.

See what I mean, chat?

I'm a minimalist now.

For the next week, I ain't gonna use a phone.

All right, I got you.

I got you.

Well, I'm gonna be at the blackjack table tonight.

I'm gonna get your money back.

So, in other words, they're gonna get some more of my money.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Hell yeah.

No, no.

And no, my baby going.

I'm going to use her money tonight.

I used mine last night.

So

we swap days.

Like,

one day is my money, and tonight is her money.

Oh, okay.

Yeah.

So appreciate that, twin.

When am I going to get my money?

When you download the app, Apple Pay.

Oh, yo, I ain't got no Apple.

You got a phone?

No.

I told y'all I turned my phones off.

So how you do the show when you ain't got the phone?

How you communicate with your producers and they live right down the street from me.

I go knock on the door.

Okay, okay.

Okay.

That's it.

You gonna get the new iPhone 17?

So it's real thin too.

You saw it?

You saw it?

The iPhone 17.

I can't work at 16.

Yeah, you was bad with that.

You know, they got classes at Apple.

You can sit in on the class.

They teach you how to

work everything.

Well, I saw it on this

financial literacy class.

Yeah.

And they say when people owe you money, you need to collect it because the money is drawing interest in their bank account and not yours.

But listen, we're in 2025 and technology is so far advanced, they made it easy for those that don't carry cash.

You can make a transaction using the app that are on phones.

That's a lot of them, too.

Man, you know, sometimes the bank be sending people money and they go spend that money, they end up going to jail.

You know what I'm saying?

They give you more if they put more money in your bank account than should be there for your job, send you an extra check that you're not supposed to have.

Right, right.

So I don't want to run that risk.

I just want you to shoot me a cool $5,900.

Okay.

I got you.

Matter of fact, you know, the casino got to cash yours.

Yeah, they got to cash your winners.

I can use my credit card.

Give me a little advance.

Yeah.

All right.

I would greatly appreciate that.

I got you.

And now, because I want to gamble right

Oh you gamble I do but I just

you want me to pay you so you can go lose the money that don't make no sense.

Yeah, I want you to pay me my money so if I choose to lose my money I'm okay with losing okay, I don't think that's smart you just brought up the word financial literacy if I'm gonna pay you what I owe you and you're gonna take that and go lose it and give it to the casino

I know but why would you give it to the house?

Easy

all right that's what that's why I feel your money is better off with me because I ain't gonna lose it

You're not gonna pay me.

It doesn't look like you're gonna pay me either.

I'm gonna pay you.

I'm gonna pay you.

I'm definitely gonna pay you.

I bet I win tonight.

I'm gonna win tonight.

I'm gonna win big tonight, too.

I can feel it.

You think so?

Yeah, I can feel it.

I can feel it.

I can feel it.

I don't know about that, Ocho.

Matter of fact, it's 800.

What's the odds for the fight?

Plus 800 on Bud.

Shoot, so Bud pulls, if I, what, bet 10,000, what I win?

I get what, about $90,000?

Plus $800?

I don't know how to calculate your chat.

Calculate that for me, chat.

Plus $800,

I put $10,000 on Bud, what'd I get back?

You win a lot.

Yeah.

You'll be able to pay me my money.

Right, I'll probably, I'll spit the whole thing with you.

Like,

that's the type of friend I am.

I'll spit the whole thing with you.

Well, consider you owe me $5,900 and you hadn't paid me that, the likelihood of you winning that sum of money and then giving me half of it is not very likely.

It's likely, it's likely because I've always been a man of my word.

I was supposed to have my money last year.

You were supposed to pay me when we got to New Orleans.

For real?

Yeah.

Damn.

What happened?

I forgot.

How do you forget you owe somebody $50?

Nah, I forget why I didn't pay you.

I've been going through some mental issues.

You going through a lot of issues?

Mental.

Mental.

What we got?

Nothing.

We rap.

We get ready to rap, too.

We'll see y'all in a minute.

Man, my daughter, my daughter just texted me.

Dad, start saving up.

This is my dream car.

What you call them cars, man?

The fast ones that the rappers be driving.

Oh, that track?

Yeah.

Girl, she might as well be probably watching the show, baby.

If you're watching the show, let's focus on track.

Let's focus on track.

You get that NIL money at Kentucky, you'll be able to buy your own track hawk.

She sent me a track hawk.

Oh, well.

Well,

she said, you got it.

He got it.

No, well, he's going to be $5,900, so you might have to come up with that extra $5,900 because he owe me.

Who that?

You.

I got you tonight.

I promise you.

You lost money last night.

I lost $200.

That ain't no money.

I mean, no disrespect.

I mean, it's money, but

it's not that significant.

You lost $5,900

last year, and you haven't paid me yet.

Okay.

I got you.

I'm just trying to figure out when I'm going to get paid.

That's all.

I got you.

I want to go to a nice dinner.

I mean,

I want to go check out a show on the strip.

Man, I'm going to a show all the night.

Coach Play, Rat Pack, Dean Martin,

Frank Sinacho.

So you doing all this thing.

You and your baby, y'all doing all this thing, and y'all owe me my, you won't pay me my money.

Nah.

So I can't control.

In other words, you and your lady get to go to a show.

Yeah.

But me and my people, we won't be able to go to a show.

Y'all could go.

How we gonna go?

I ain't got no money.

You need to

sit on it real quick.

Whatever you do have, don't even spend no money right now.

But I think it's important that I'm...

My baby ain't never been to Vegas.

So it's important that I have money to be able to

introduce her to the things that Vegas has to offer.

I don't club, so we're going to shows.

Janet Jackson's here.

We might check out Janet Jackson.

She's at Resorts World.

Yeah, I'm going to go do that.

She wants to go to the Spear.

We probably just walk through, take a tour of that.

Yeah.

Take it to Caesars Palace.

Go to shops at Caesars?

Yeah, yeah.

We ain't going to buy nothing.

We're going to window shopping.

I ain't spending no money.

I get all that.

Yeah.

I mean, I can't do none of that.

I can't go nowhere.

I can't window shop.

Where do you want to go?

You ain't been already?

Think about that.

I mean, I just want to walk around.

I just want to see what it feels like like to have $5,900 in my pocket.

I feel you got it.

I don't know what that's like.

It's been a long time since I actually had $5,900 in my pocket.

You shouldn't walk around with no cash anyway, especially in times like this.

Yeah, that's not safe.

You're not a rapper.

Because why would you have $5,900 in cash anyway?

You're not a rapper?

I mean, I just want a little money, don't you?

I got you.

Walk by something, see, you know, get a souvenir for my sister, my brother.

Yeah.

I just want to grab somebody, some get some, get a couple souvenirs.

I got you.

Baby.

You say she ain't got nothing.

She got it.

No.

You don't want no smoke?

You good?

Big majority.

I'm going to stop on you when I see you and tell you, hey, this is what you're saying.

Ask him what the first thing he said when I saw him yesterday.

I knew he was going to hit me with it, so I had to tell him, hey, won't we smarter?

Beat him to the punch.

He don't want no smoke.

I know you don't.

I'm a pro.

I know you don't.

Deb, tell him I done been in the ring with everybody.

You know, you have to.

I take it serious.

You know?

I don't know about that, but.

I take it serious.

Now I'm getting ready to fight Andre Ward.

Man, hey, Dev, I'm finna beat this nigga ass, Dev.

Hold on, hold on.

Let me take my glasses off so you can see my face.

I'm not playing.

Yeah.

I wish you the best, man.

I appreciate it.

I appreciate that.

I'm good.

I'm good.

I'm good.

Hey, don't look at me.

Hey, I'm just cold.

You know what it is?

I'm just cold.

I'm just calling.

I'm just cold.

You're condoning this, man.

You're condoning this.

This fight, Canelo Crawford.

You got two champs,

an undisputed champ at two different weight clamps, at two different divisions in the 4-bed era.

That's Bud, first male to do that.

You got Canelo, who's the undisputed king of

the super middleweight 168.

You got a clash of the Titans.

Somebody walking out there with some bells.

Man,

Bud is my boy.

I think if anybody can do it, it's him.

If anybody can do it right now, I think that is Bud, and that's what I'm rocking.

But I mean, is it an easy task?

No.

Yeah.

Because everybody's asking,

when Bud feels his power,

how does Bud handle it?

Okay.

When Canelo feels Bud's power, how does he handle it?

Does he like, oh, I can't just walk through this man?

Or does he say, ah, man, them cake blows, I'm coming.

Yeah, I mean, that's the big question you know we want to see how how Bud can hold up at and at 168 we've seen we've seen Canelo go up to 175 and take guys punches and knock out Kovalev knock him out code so uh but I just think that that Bud is a different kind of fighter I think that you know he's much more better than much more faster much more you know got much more IQ and

like I said if anybody can do it I just think that Bud can do it

Is this a situation that Canelo has never seen anybody other than Floyd when he was much younger to be able to put punches together that has to bring IQ like a Bud Crawford?

Like you said, we've seen him.

Now we know Canelo can take a punch because we saw him fight Triple G and Triple G hit him with some shots.

I don't even know how his head is still on his body.

And he took it and kept coming.

So

can Bud, who's a natural well-to-weight

147, he did fight one fight at junior middle.

He came from 135.

Yeah, that's like me going up and fighting Canelo at 168.

I mean, like I said,

will it be easy?

No.

But he has the size.

He has the reach.

Yeah.

He's got the IQ.

The mentality.

The mentality, for sure.

We got to see if he got the punch resistance.

How does he fight this fight?

Caleb Plant told us yesterday he got to fight two ways, all the way in or all the way out.

100%.

He cannot be mid-range.

Caleb know what he's talking about.

He got to fight that in, in or he got to be out, out.

I think that he's going to have a lot of success on the in-end, though.

I don't think that, I think, of course, Canelo is a great fighter, but I don't think Canelo is expecting him to be fighting on that in end.

But

he got to mix it up.

He got to do both.

And like I said, we just got to see how his punch resistance is against a guy like Canelo.

That's the big question.

Because, you know, Canelo sit down on everything.

Canelo tried to get you up out of it.

But we've seen his feet slow down.

You know,

he hasn't always had the fastest feet,

but we've seen him get even slower.

Slower.

I think that thing for me, obviously watching being a huge boxing enthusiast and loving the game and kind of pouring into it a little bit, for me, the only thing I'm worried about come fight night, obviously, is Bud having to get Canelo's respect early.

Because all Mexican fighters, there's one thing that we all know that they do is they apply pressure.

If you don't gain their respect early in the fight, it's going to be a long fucking night.

If you see Canelo against Charlo, Charlo didn't do anything to gain his respect.

So he just ran him around.

He ran him from rope to rope to rope.

Bud has to get that respect.

And

they like basically like to go to the body.

They try to chop you down, try to take some of that, try to take some of your conditioning away from you with those body shots.

And we know Canelo

loves to work the body.

But I just think that

Bud has the IQ.

And like you said, it's all about gaining that respect early.

Because

if you don't have a man's respect,

what do you have?

He'll walk you down.

He's going to run you from post to post.

Yeah.

And so Bud's going to have to get that respect.

You got to watch out going to Bud Body.

Bud is a good counter puncher.

Bud can punch.

And I think the thing is, Bud,

Bud's a natural south paw, but he has dynamite in his right hand also.

That's why he brought Boots Innes in because Boots fights a lot like Bud.

And so now he has an opportunity to prepare for what he's going to see on Saturday night.

Now, whether or not they have the same punching power, they have

the same ring IQ and things like that, that remains to be seen.

Bud is a really, really smart fighter.

He's really, he's, you know.

you know the the the the counter punches and the guys like a bud they they they're figuring it out okay you're doing this okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay now i got i'm locked in i know what you want i know what you want to do and i know my best counter against what you're trying to do

So

if you're in Bud's corner, what you telling Bud?

Go in there and get his respect, use his jab,

fight that in-in or that out-out.

I would be anxious to, after that first round, I would want to know, like,

how hard is he really punching?

And that would tell it, too,

of...

if I want to fight that in in or you know how good of an inside fighter he is.

Like I said, I just don't think that Canelo's feet are the same and they weren't always great to begin with.

They weren't great to begin.

I just don't think that

we've seen it against

his last fight.

The guy ran around the ring, but

he couldn't cut off the ring.

A guy running, yeah, that's his fault.

But also, that's the opponent's fault because he's supposed to cut off the ring.

Right.

Especially at the highest level.

So

can Canelo cut off the ring?

We don't know.

We've seen it against Lara.

He couldn't do it against Laura.

Floyd didn't do much movement, but his speed gave him problems.

The question is, in the process of trying to cut off the ring, does he spend so much time trying to cut off the ring that he runs himself into something?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And Bud got that trick.

He got Dynamite in both hands.

Yeah, Bud, Blood,

we got to see if his weight can carry up to 168 as well.

And the question is,

Bud might be fine

rounds one, two, and three.

Might be rounds four, five, and six.

but as we go deeper into the fight if it gets to that how well can he carry that 168

i think both guys are more at their natural weight i don't think that canelo is that much bigger than uh than bud i think they're both just fighting that at their natural weight and that's why i love this fight because they both just two guys fighting at their natural weight and uh seeing who's who's just better you know a lot of times a lot of times we see one guy you know having weight problems and you know that that that or that you know shows in the fight but i think these guys both are fighting that more of their their natural weight, and they're more like evenly sized.

Right.

So, you think, so you think

Canelo's natural walk-around weight, what do you think Canelo's natural walk-around weight?

I'm saying probably 190.95.

I'd say like 190, yeah.

I would say that.

You say the same for Bud?

I'd say Bud, like 185.

And the thing is, Bud doesn't have to strip that last 21 to go to 47.

That really matters.

Hell yeah.

That really matters.

You don't think it matters try losing weight and try that that first five

and then fighting yes that's the hardest part yeah you lose weight okay anybody could go lose weight anybody go sit in a sauna for an hour and lose weight right but actually being able to compete right at the highest level after you lose that weight that's hard let me ask you when they refuel they're gonna make weight everybody i believe everybody's gonna make weight and let's just say everybody makes weight at 68.

when they refuel what you think that what you think bud comes in at saturday night what you think canelo comes in i think they come in around the same

I think

80.

Exactly.

I'm going to say 80.

82.

You ain't started camp yet, huh?

No, I'm in pre-camp now, but I haven't started an actual camp.

I mean, obviously,

I don't know how boxers approach it, but for us, obviously, we watch the game film on our opponents.

Yeah, of course.

And

Ryan Norman Jr.

Yeah.

Have you been able to watch film on him yet, or do you not really watch film until you get into camp?

Yeah, no, of course.

I was watching before we even

announced announced a fight.

Because

I don't just take fights because

I just want to, I got to study a guy and see

where I could beat him.

And

if it's the right stylistically fight for me.

And so, yeah, no,

we've been watching them and we've been studying.

You ready?

Of course, yeah.

Because, you know.

Everybody talking.

If I'm not ready, we're going to see you on November 22nd.

Yeah, we're going to see.

You're ready.

You're ready.

We're going to find out.

No, but it's just like, you know, you say, are you ready?

Like, all right, if I say, yeah, I'm ready.

Or if I say, no, I'm not ready, like,

November 22nd, that's judgment day for me and him.

Yeah, yeah.

But I've been here before.

I've been at the highest level.

I've been,

this is not my first rodeo.

This is his first rodeo.

This is time to see if he's ready for the big stage.

What happened in the Garcia fight?

I mean,

I made mistakes in the fight,

but PDs have played a lot with, played a lot into it.

I don't care.

But you being an athlete, you being an athlete, you know what PDs can you do?

It gives you an advantage.

It gives you an advantage, no matter what.

In that fight, did you think, did you suspect, or was it until the drug test came back that you knew something?

Could you tell there was something different about this young man?

Because I think you fought him in the amateurs, right?

Yeah, yeah, no, we fought six times in the amateurs.

And nah, I didn't.

I didn't expect, I didn't suspect nothing.

I thought that the better man beat me that night, and that's what I said.

On that night, I said, hey, listen, you know, the better man beat me.

You know, I'm going to go back to drawing board, and maybe one day we can do it again.

And that's what I thought.

And before the fight, I didn't think that Ryan could beat me.

And after the fight, I was hurt.

I was like, man, what the fuck?

Like, how did I lose to a guy like Ryan Garcia?

I know that I'm 10 times better than this guy.

And then when the

drug test came out, and I seen that I wasn't on an even playing field, then I was like,

that's when I wasn't okay with it.

I'm okay with losing on an even playing field.

It's just part of it.

It comes with it.

We take that risk every time we step in the ring that you're going to win or you're going to lose.

It is what it is.

And I'm okay with losing.

But I want it to be, you know, I want it to be on even.

That's fair.

Yeah.

I like it.

You like, so

your money,

you got to put something down on the wood.

Canelo Crawford.

Who you putting down on?

I'm putting it on Crawford.

I'm putting the house on Crawford.

You think Crawford win by decision, or you think he can knock him out?

I think he wins by decision.

I mean, who's...

Nobody's ever stopped him.

We've seen Canelo hurt early, early in his career.

After that, we've seen him fight the biggest punches, and we haven't seen him hurt.

But don't mean that it can't happen because it's boxing.

One punch can change everything.

But I think if Bud wins, it's going to be a decision for sure.

So, should I bet that $10,000 or no?

And I'll split it with you.

Nah, I want you to pay me my money first, and then you can bet what's left over.

You can put what's left over, old bud.

Hey,

Devin Haney.

Yes, sir.

Appreciate you, bro.

Thank you very much.

Thank you for having me.

All right.

Good luck.

Hey, good luck November 20th.

Thank you.

Oh, bring me in the camp.

Yeah, okay.

Let's see.

Go ahead, share.

Yeah.

Chad, you heard it here first.

I'll be in Devin Haney cap preparing him for the fight November 22nd.

It's on.

Baby.

Thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for joining us for another episode of Daycap.

Y'all know who I am.

I'm your favorite Uncle Shannon Sharp.

This is my partner and co-host.

That's Liberty City Zone.

That's Bingo Ring of Fame Honoree, the Pro Bowl of the All-Pro.

He's Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson.

Thank you guys for your support.

Thank you guys for always tuning in and supporting Ocho and I.

We greatly, greatly appreciate it.

We'll see you tomorrow after the fight.

Tomorrow?

The fight tomorrow?

Today Thursday?

Today Friday?

Oh, baby, we got to fight.

We'll see you guys tomorrow after the fight.

Damn.

I didn't know that.

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